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B
I'd
like
to
call
this
meaning
to
order
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
as
we
have
done
in
previous
meetings,
our
viewers
this
evening
are
at
home
as
well
as
my
fellow
council
members.
B
Regrettably,
I
wish
you
were
here
with
me,
but
the
circumstances
don't
permit
that
so
we'll
be
teleconferencing
and
video
conferencing
throughout
the
meeting,
we've
decided
to
forego
the
face
mask
tonight
because
we
feel
confident
in
our
social
distancing,
my
city
manager's,
eight
feet
to
the
right
of
me
and
the
city
attorney
is
eight
feet
to
the
left
of
me,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
be
okay
there.
So,
let's
start
out
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
If
you'd
all
stand,
please.
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C
E
B
All
right:
well,
I
know
it's
there,
so
we'll
work
on
the
audio,
but
why
don't
we
proceed
with
the
roll
call.
B
Yeah
we
hear
you
now.
Thank
you
all
right,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'm
afraid
this
evening
we
have
to
start
the
night
on.
On
a
somber
note.
We
lost
an
individual
here
in
the
community.
That
means
a
lot
to
many
people.
The
young
man's
name
was
courtney
brousseau,
and
we
start
tonight's
meeting
in
a
moment
of
sadness
and
reflection
for
the
tragic
loss
of
courtney
brousseau,
who
was
fatally
wounded
in
a
shooting
in
san
francisco
and
passed
away.
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B
in
high
school.
He
worked
with
assembly
member
jackie
irwin,
the
greater
canelo
valley
chamber
of
commerce,
california,
lutheran
university
and
the
city
to
implement
the
city
internship
program.
He
founded
students,
transforming
education
which
advanced
for
teacher
tenure.
Reforms
participated
in
the
ymca's
youth
and
government
program,
including
serving
as
a
statewide
chief
justice,
and
served
on
the
board
of
directors
for
micasa
de
angelus
working
towards
improving
the
quality
of
education
in
the
impoverished
areas
throughout
the
country
of
peru.
B
B
B
B
I
had
the
great
pleasure
of
meeting
courtney
personally
on
a
number
of
events,
especially
with
the
youth
commission.
I
can
tell
you
who
is
an
extraordinary
young
man
gifted
he
stood
out
and
I
I
have
wonderful
memories
of
my
time
with
courtney
and
he
will
be
sorely
missed.
B
G
G
Cases
across
the
county
with
19
fatalities,
114
of
those
are,
are
or
have
been
in
the
kaneho
valley
and
to
date,
we've
conducted
nearly
14
000
tests.
Testing
capacity
has
gone
up
significantly,
including
the
addition
of
a
new
state-sponsored
testing
facility
that
we
have
located
at
the
newberry
park
branch
library
that
is
now
up
and
running.
As
of
yesterday.
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G
G
I
wanted
to
take
just
a
moment
to
applaud
our
team
here
at
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
who,
through
innovation,
creativity
and
a
spirit
of
perseverance
and
optimism,
have
continued
to
deliver
stellar
service
to
our
residents
and
businesses.
Despite
the
circumstances,
I'm
so
appreciative
of
their
continued
efforts
and
dedication
to
our
community.
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G
If
you
are
a
business
that
falls
into
one
of
the
categories
or
sectors
allowed
to
reopen,
there
is
a
registration
process
that
we
ask
you
to
to
hop
on
there
and
do
it's
really
fairly
straightforward
and
simple,
but
just
to
give
us
some
contact
information
to
the
county
and
and
that
will
be
passed
along
to
us
so
that
we
can
stay
in
contact
as
the
situation
continues
to
evolve.
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B
Mr
powers,
well,
I
think
you
can
see
we
are
making
slow
but
steady
progress,
but
this
is
going
to
require
that
we
continue
to
stay
vigilant,
so
we
can
safely
reopen
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
the
the
city
itself
and
all
the
staff
are
dedicated
to
making
this
happen
in
a
safe
manner,
so
be
patient.
Hang
in
there
we're
gonna
get
there
all
right.
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D
Speakers
for
public
hearing
items
shall
be
called
and
heard
during
the
public
hearing.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
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B
All
right,
thank
you,
ms
rodriguez,
not
showing.
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B
J
Fantastic,
thank
you,
dr
crystal
naoni,
and
I'm
the
ceo
and
president
for
the
boys
and
girls
club
of
greater
kaneho
valley,
and
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
on
what
we
are
doing
currently
at
the
boys
and
girls
club
of
greater
kaneho
valley.
So
we
have
nine
clubs
from
newbury
park
to
calabasas
and
oh
by
the
way
I
live
behind,
teo
high
school
as
a
resident.
So
anyway,
we
have
nine
clubs
and
four
are
four
clubs
in
conejo
valley,
unified
school
district
are
all
open.
J
We
have
8
000
square
foot
sites
at
each
of
the
middle
school
campuses
and
we
are
open
as
an
essential
business
for
essential
service
workers,
as
well
as
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
community.
We
are
providing
spanish
language
services,
we
are
providing
hot
meals
and
snacks
at
clubs.
We've
got
one-on-one
assistance
with
virtual
school
work
and
we
are
collaborating
with
the
school
administration
to
support
youth
and
prevent
learning
loss
and,
in
addition
to
that,
we're
providing
our
staff
and
youth
with
individualized
social
emotional
supports.
J
Just
so.
You
folks
know
we're
one
of
nine
clubs
open
in
the
state
of
california,
and
we
are
one
of
402
clubs
open
across
the
united
states.
We
are
following
very,
very
strict,
cdc
state
and
county
guidelines
to
make
sure
that
our
our
kids
are
safe,
we've
got
hand
washing
protocol
temperatures
being
taken
as
kids
come
in
the
door.
J
No
one
sick
is
allowed
to
be
in
our
premise:
we've
got
groups
of
10,
we've
got
consistent
staff
every
time
they
they
go
through
a
rotation
or
they
go
from
one
room
to
the
next
room.
We're
making
sure
that
everything
is
disinfected
and
wiped
down.
We've
got
multiple.
I
guess
what
I
should
say
is
we're
following
all
of
the
guidelines
making
sure
everybody's
safe
we've
made.
We
also
went
to
virtual
clubs
so
right
now,
we've
got
about
between
60
and
70
kids,
showing
up
on
a
daily
basis
between
those
four
clubs.
J
We
hope
to
be
able
to
the
max
that
we
can
take
in
any
one
of
our
buildings
based
on
the
social
distancing.
Requirements
is
70
kids,
so
we
could
take
up
to
300
kids
this
summer
in
our
cvusd
sites,
starting
on
january
1st.
But
again
we
will
be
adhering
to
those
social
distancing
protocols
and
safety
protocols.
J
We
did
launch
virtual
programming
last
a
week
no
two
weeks
ago
and
we
have
27
virtual
programs
that
are
streaming
through
social
platforms
with
over
3
000
views
in
that
first
two
weeks
and
we
hit
3570
youth
connected
through
our
virtual
programming.
We've
also
done
550
wellness
calls
on
our
our
the
kids
at
our
clubs,
really
cool
story
that
we
had.
Let's
see
this
is
from
a
parent
who
is
a
nurse.
She
said
a
quote
says
when
I
found
out
the
boys
and
girls
club
was
staying
open.
J
J
B
D
B
B
D
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8a
regarding
2020
2021,
community
development,
block
grant
action
plan
and
related
documents
for
u.s
department
of
housing
and
urban
development.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents.
For
the
record
and
mayor
we
have
four
individuals
that
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
five
minutes
and
the
yellow
light
displays.
When
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
E
E
E
E
E
The
rehabilitation
activities
will
benefit
82,
low-income
units.
The
many
mansion
projects
involves
rehabilitating
bella
vista
apartments,
which
will
utilize
258
000
of
cdbg
funds
and
habitat
for
humanities
program
will
rehab
10,
low-income
owner-occupied
mobile
homes,
which
will
utilize
156
000
of
cdbg
funds.
E
E
Hud
requires
regional
reports
to
be
prepared
every
five
years.
These
documents
are
the
consolidated
plan
and
the
analysis
of
impediment
to
fair
housing
choice
which
were
prepared
in
collaboration
with
the
county
of
ventura
and
four
other
hud
entitlement,
cities
of
camarillo,
oxnard,
simi
valley
and
ventura.
E
The
analysis
of
impending
mint
is
the
demographic
profile
of
ventura
county
and
looks
at
specific
groups
within
the
county
and
evaluates
housing
choices
for
all
residents.
It
also
analyzes
housing
conditions
in
both
public
and
private
market
sectors
of
the
market.
The
purpose
is
to
ensure
equal
access
to
housing
opportunities
throughout
the
county.
E
E
B
F
I
wanted
to
find
out
about
other
applicants
that
are
not
included
in
this.
I
was
I
went
through
the
staff
report
and
didn't
necessarily
see
other
applicants.
Do
we
know
who
applied.
E
E
H
Bingler
here,
councilmember
engler.
Thank
you,
a
quick
question
for
the
city
manager
we're
we're
giving
some
what
flexibility
should
there
be
further
funding
from
the
feds
on
this
and
yeah?
How?
How
are
you
going
to
go
about
that
we're
going
to
reopen
applications,
or
are
we
just
going
to
award
more
money
to
the
qualifiers
right
now.
G
So
I
I
think,
if
I
understand
your
question:
councilmember
engler,
there
are
some
additional
pots
of
cdbg
funds
and
I
can
let
lynn
speak
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
They
came
via
the
cares
act.
There
are
additional
stipulations
and
requirements
attached
to
those,
and
we
are
working
collaboratively
with
the
kanejo
chamber
and
our
economic
development
folks,
as
some
of
those
funds
may
be
able
to
be
directed
to
business
assistance
and
and
other
needs
lynn,
would
you
add
anything
to
that.
E
So
for
the
cdbg
cv,
which
is
related
to
the
coven
19,
the
city
is
in
conversations
with
the
other
cities
in
ventura
county
on
the
the
use
of
these
funds.
What
is
unknown
right
now
is
more
specific
guidance
from
hud.
H
E
B
K
K
K
K
K
Good
evening,
everyone,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me.
I
appreciate
it.
I
just
wanted
to
provide
a
little
context
to
what
the
what
turning
points
ask
is
of
thousand
oaks
to
provide
additional
care
for
our
our
mutual,
our
mutual
community
members.
K
The
funding
specifically,
is
to
provide
not
only
kind
of
a
triage
and
crisis
care,
getting
individuals
from
the
streets
into
a
shelter,
but
we're
also
providing
a
very
robust
medical
screening,
we're
working
with
backpack
medicine
and
other
doctors
and
healthcare
professionals,
as
well
as
behavioral
health
specialists,
to
where
we
are
connecting
everyone
with
with
kind
of
a
a
holistic
package
of
care,
because
the
dynamics
have
have
definitely
increased
mental
health
symptomology
for
our
folks.
K
So
with
that
being
said,
we
we're
gone
to
great
lengths
to
to
really
assure
not
only
the
safety
of
the
staff,
that's
out
there
and
doing
additional
outreach,
but
making
sure
that
those
individuals
that
can't
get
to
health
care
they
are
unable
to
do
so
because
of
transportation
or
or
perhaps
you
know,
mental
health
symptoms
have
have
presented
in
a
way
that
they're
not
aware
that
they
need
medical
care
that
we're
able
to
link
them
on
the
spot,
we're
able
to
do
assessments
and
if
we,
if
the
assessments
seem
necessary,
we
will
provide
transportation
to
clinics
and
other
areas
to
make
sure
that
they're
getting
assessment
and
proper
treatment
and
care
our
shelters
themselves,
particularly
our
place
safe
haven.
K
K
We
have
everyone,
has
their
own
masks,
gloves
additional
sanitizer
and
we're
spacing
people
as
best
we
can
within
the
regulations
and
guidelines
set
forth
by
the
medical
professionals,
and
you
know
just
assuring
that
that
our
folks
get
the
best
possible
care
and
that
at
a
bare
minimum
they
know
they're
cared
for
and
they're
safe
and
regardless
of
their
needs,
we're
going
to
ensure
that
they
navigate
the
system
safely
to
to
get
all
those
critical
needs
met.
K
We
have
infamous
infrared
thermometers,
we
have
again
a
robust
supply,
surprisingly
of
medical
and
safety
supplies
and
and
the
linkage
has
definitely
ramped
up.
The
outreach
has
ramped
up
significantly
and
and
we're
very
happy
to
report
that
all
is
safe
and
clear.
We
have
no
cases
identified
of
kovit.
B
Thank
you,
mr
meek,
appreciate
your
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
up
is
janet
young
good
evening,
janet.
D
Hi
good
evening,
mayor
adam
and
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
janet
young
and
I'm
the
director
of
development
with
senior
concerns
here
in
thousand
oaks,
and
thank
you
for
considering
the
grant
request
from
senior
concerns
tonight.
When
we
wrote
this
grant,
we
had
no
idea
how
much
the
need
for
our
meals
on
wheels
program
would
grow.
The
current
pandemic
has
truly
illustrated
how
important
home
delivered
meals
are
for
our
senior
community.
D
As
you
know,
in
the
last
two
months,
our
meals
on
wheels
program
has
grown
87
percent,
we're
now
delivering
more
than
5
000
meals
a
month
to
meet
the
need,
we're
on
boarding
new
seniors
every
day
who
cannot
get
to
stores
and
are
in
need
of
healthy
meals.
So
funding
from
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
will
help.
D
Ensure
senior
concerns
can
continue
to
provide
this
valuable
service
and
help
ensure
the
health
of
our
senior
community
in
the
coming
year
and,
as
you
probably
know,
for
seniors
age,
70
plus
the
stay-at-home
guidelines
are
probably
going
to
stay
in
effect
for
most
of
this
year.
That's
what
we're
anticipating
so
really
this
program
is
so
important.
So
I
just
want
to
again
thank
you
for
considering
our
request
tonight.
B
Thank
you
janet
appreciate
you
being
here
all
righty.
That
concludes
our
speakers.
Mr
shida,
do
you
have
any
staff
responses
you'd
like
to
make.
E
So
councilmember
de
la
pena
had
asked
about
the
applications
it's
in
the
action
plan
on
page
36
of
the
pdf
as
part
of
one
of
the
attachments
and
they
list
all
of
the
cdbg
applicants,
the
two
project
applications
and
the
14
public
service
applications.
B
Yeah,
why
not?
I
think
that
would
be
okay.
B
And
you're
right
they
are
interrelated.
So
let's
take
a
quick
jump
to
12a
and
that
has
to
do
with
a
supplemental
contribution
to
senior
concerns
and
that's
something
that
I
brought
forward
and
I'm
hoping
to
get
the
support
of
my
fellow
council
members
senior
concerns
last
year
got
20
000
in
canada's
community
development
block
grants
in
this
year,
15
due
to
the
high
demand
and
the
lessening
of
the
funds,
and,
as
you
just
heard,
probably
the
biggest
service
senior
concerns
provides
the
communities
meals
on
wheels.
B
And
here
we
have
the
most
vulnerable
population,
our
community
70,
and
over
pretty
much
marooned
at
home
and
very,
very
dependent
on
these
meals
and,
as
you
just
heard,
they've
just
almost
doubled
in
in
the
amount
of
meals
they're
serving
over
the
last
two
months
or
so,
and
I
suspect
that's
going
to
go
even
higher.
B
So
it
was
my
thought
that,
in
addition
to
the
money
that
they're
getting
from
community
community
development
block
grants
that
we
supplement
that,
with
the
ten
thousand
dollar
contribution
from
our
general
fund
and
mayor.
B
G
Mayor
adam
members
of
the
council,
just
as
a
augmentation
to
the
comments
that
were
just
just
made,
I'm
on
daily
calls
with
the
county
and
our
partners,
and
one
of
the
biggest
critical
needs
has
been
feeding
our
seniors
and
our
most
vulnerable.
And
I
can
tell
you
that
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
senior
concerns
here
in
the
community.
G
These
are
truly
extraordinary
circumstances
and
challenging
times,
and
they
have
risen
to
the
occasion
in
a
big
way
and
to
have
that
resource
and
that
infrastructure
in
place
and
their
ability
to
scale
appropriately
to
provide
the
services
to
our
our
residents
in
great
need
and
and
beyond,
has
been
really
remarkable.
And
so
we
felt
given
the
severity
of
the
circumstances
and
our
reliance
on
that
entity
that
this
was
very
much
a
good
recommendation.
F
B
Very
good
and
you're
absolutely
right
about
that.
I
believe
all
our
council
members
were
contacted
and
and
and
made
aware
of
the
situation,
any
other
comments
that
anyone
would
like
to
make.
B
If
that
did
you
just
make
a
motion
mayor
pro
tem.
H
C
D
B
B
B
Oh
all,
right
just
a
moment:
oh,
I
beg
your
pardon.
This
is
department
report
oops.
So
yes,
before
we
go
to
staff,
though
I'd
like
to
ask
our
city
manager,
mr
powers,
to
make
a
comment
here.
If
you
would
please.
G
G
G
I
believe
this
is
our
ninth
pre-screen,
that
the
city
council
has
considered
some
come
back
as
full-fledged
projects.
Others
fall
by
the
wayside
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Examples
of
that
are
the
two
two
one:
nine
thousand
rooks
boulevard
project
and
the
pine
crest
project,
which
were
both
pre-screened
and
did
not
come
forth.
G
If
granted
this
evening,
it
does
not
have
deep
analysis
attached
to
it,
the
environmental,
economic
grading
and
traffic
that
you
would
would
see
with
a
traditional
development
application,
if
advanced
by
the
city
council.
This
evening,
the
applicant
will
be
tasked
with
taking
in
all
the
feedback
that
they've
received
from
the
council
and
embarking
on
a
process
of
engaging
with
the
community
refining
the
concept
into
a
actual
project,
submittal
completing
a
full-scale
eir,
submitting
a
pre-application
to
the
city
and
preparing
for
hearings
before
the
planning,
commission
and
city
council
in
2021.
G
It
is
not
an
approval
of
any
project
that
would
come
later
and
with
that
context,
I'd
like
to
hand
it
over
to
mr
town.
L
Thank
you,
mr
powers.
This
prescreen
before
city
council
tonight,
as
as
mr
powers
mentioned,
is
an
early
look
at
a
concept.
It's
an
early
look
at
a
an
idea
that
is
a
result
of
about
two
years
of
preparation.
Staff
has
met
with
the
applicant
over
that
period
on
and
off
to
talk
about
the
property
talk
about
various
options
going
forward.
L
Those
discussions
began,
like
I
said
in
in
2018,
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
the
applicant
has
proved
to
be
very
receptive
to
input
from
staff
and
to
discussions,
and
so
tonight
is
a
great
opportunity
for
the
council
for
the
community
to
provide
input
on
this
idea
and
if
it
does
go
forward,
then
those
those
ideas
and
that
commentary
would
then
be
used
to
refine
the
project,
which
is
the
normal
course
of
affairs
as
we
review
a
formal
application.
L
L
Mr
contreras
is
handling
some
of
our
most
complex
projects,
so
I'm
very
happy
that
he
is
here
to
present
this
to
you
tonight
after
his
presentation.
Of
course,
he
and
I
will
be
available
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
M
Good
evening,
mayor
adams,
members
of
the
council
and
members
of
the
public
and
members
of
the
public,
the
project
before
you
tonight
is
a
pre-screen
review
of
a
mixed-use
design
concept,
with
a
request
to
allocate
residential
capacity
and
initiate
a
general
plan.
Amendment
for
a
project
located
at
325
and
391
hampshire,
road.
M
M
The
subject
property
is
located
at
the
northwest
intersection
of
hampshire,
road
and
foothill
drive
outlined
in
red
here.
The
project
site
totals
11.79
acres
and
consists
of
two
legal
lots
and
a
zone
c1,
which
is
neighborhood
commercial.
Most
of
the
site
was
previously
improved
and
now
contains
vacant
structures.
M
Here's
the
existing
land
use
designation
on
the
subject
property.
As
indicated
in
red.
You
have
a
land
use
designation
of
commercial
to
the
south.
You
have
a
land
use
designation
of
high
density
residential
to
the
east.
You
have
institutional
land
use,
designation
to
the
to
the
north
east.
You
have
industrial
land
use
designation
and
to
the
west.
You
have
low
density,
residential
and,
as
indicated
in
green
here,
you
have
low
density,
resin,
sorry,
open
space,
land
use
designation
to
the
southwest.
G
You
just
he'd.
M
Okay,
sorry
about
that,
okay,
to
continue
here,
the
subject
site
is
surrounded
by
a
mix
of
land
uses.
M
M
M
M
M
M
Now,
a
little
bit
of
background
on
the
subject
project
in
in
september
of
2017,
the
city
council
approved
an
economic
development
strategic
plan.
The
plan
is
a
long-term
vision
designed
to
help
the
city
maintain
its
financial
health
and
achieve
future
economic
growth,
while
maintaining
a
high
quality
of
life
in
thousand
oaks.
Recommendations
from
the
plan
are
related
to
the
proposed
concept.
M
As
such,
the
applicant
submitted
a
request
for
residential
capacity
allocation
in
february
of
this
year.
However,
it
should
be
noted
that
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
staff
and
the
applicant
have
been
in
several
discussions
to
address
staff
comments
on
the
conceptual
plan
comments
provided
include
design
concept,
access,
amenities
among
others.
M
M
After
this
stage,
we
have
the
pre-application
and
development
agreements
which
are
intended
to
iron
out
development
requirements
and
other
project
specifics
following
that
is
the
formal
development
application
and
environmental
review
and
finally,
the
public
hearing
stage
at
the
end
of
this
process,
the
planning
commission
would
hold
a
public
hearing
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
proposal
to
the
city.
Council
city
council
will
then
hold
a
public
hearing
and
take
final
action
on
the
proposal.
M
Furthermore,
if
authorized,
a
specific
plan
will
be
required
for
the
site.
The
specific
plan
includes
development
and
design
standards,
permitted
land
uses,
infrastructure
requirements
and
other
criteria
intended
to
implement
the
city's
general
plan.
It
should
be
noted
that,
throughout
the
public
process
of
the
current
gp
update,
general
plan
update,
that
is,
the
property
has
been
identified
as
a
potential
site
for
residential
and
or
mixed-use
development.
M
Now,
let's
discuss
a
little
bit
about
the
project,
design
and
its
actual
details.
The
proposal
is
for
455
residential
units
contained
within
two
mixed-use
buildings
along
hampshire,
road
and
13
residential
buildings
towards
the
rear,
western
portion
of
the
actual
property.
The
mixed-use
buildings
provide
approximately
fifteen
thousand
square
feet
of
retail
space.
Two
subterranean
parking
garages
and
resident
residential
units
above
the
project
incorporates
silicon
sip
lanes
to
reduce
vehicle
stacking
along
hampshire
road.
The
project
also
provides
various
open
space,
amenities
and
public
gathering
opportunities.
M
With
regards
to
the
unit
type
of
the
459
total
units
that
are
proposed
on
the
site,
46
of
those
would
be
studios
that
accounts
for
for
about
10
of
the
total
units,
and
you
have
225
one
bedroom
units
which
accounts
for
approximately
50
percent
of
the
total
unit.
Count,
and
you
have
you-
have
two
bedroom
units
that
account
for
about
30
percent
of
the
total
unit
count
and
a
three
bedroom
units
that
are
about
nine
percent
of
the
total
unit
count
and
four
bedroom
units
that
are
approximately
three
percent
of
the
total
unit.
M
M
With
regards
to
measure
e,
the
current
balance
for
city-wide
measure
e
units
totals
1
261..
The
project
is
requesting
353
residential
units
from
the
measure
e
bank
and,
if
approved,
it
would
leave
a
balance
of
908
units.
The
requested
353
units
accounts
for
approximately
28
of
the
total
measure
e
capacity.
M
This
equates
to
34
affordable
units
for
the
proposed
project
to
provide
an
idea
of
what
affordable
is
the
ventura
county
two-person
maximum
annual
household
income
within
the
very
low
income
category
is
forty
one
thousand
eight
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
by
providing
the
affordable
units
in
the
very
low
income
category.
The
applicant
is
entitled
to
a
30
density
bonus
which
allows
106
additional
units.
M
With
regards
to
the
pre-screening
criteria,
the
city
uses
four
key
points
of
evaluation:
that's
suitability
of
the
site
for
residential
use,
design,
quality
arena
units
and
community
benefits
and
we'll
get
into
those
details.
At
this
moment
with
regards
to
residential
suitability
for
the
site,
the
project
site
is
suitable
for
mixed
use
development
due
to
the
following
reasons.
M
Here
are
a
couple
of
views
of
the
trails
and
open
space
near
the
property.
I
placed
a
red
box
over
the
project
site.
The
trail
access
point
is
located
approximately
150
feet
to
the
southwest
of
the
site
along
foothill
road,
and
it
provides
access
to
the
skyline,
open
space
and
other
associated
trails
based
on
these
surrounding
characteristics.
M
M
Now,
with
regards
to
design
quality
with
regards
to
public
exterior
space,
specifically,
the
area
in
red
highlights
the
angled
building
at
the
primary
site
entrance
along
hampshire
road
with
an
inviting
entry
to
the
public
space.
You
have
elevated
walkways
that
connect
the
two
buildings
along
hampshire,
road,
creating
active
areas
and
inviting
access
to
the
site.
Additionally,
elevated
rooftop
terraces,
like
a
sky
deck,
is
provided
for
opportunities
for
residents
to
gather
as
well
as
provide
scenic
vantage
points.
M
M
With
respect
to
oak
trees
and
landmark
trees
and
its
impacts
to
protected
trees
as
a
result
of
the
project,
there
are
protected
oak
and
california
sycamore
trees
located
on
and
near
the
western
portion
of
the
site.
The
project
the
project
designed
is
designed
in
a
manner
to
preserve
the
oak
and
sycamore
trees
on
the
subject,
property
existing
trees
are
incorporated
into
the
actual
design
and
not
affected
by
the
proposed
layout.
There
will
be
no
removals
of
any
oak
or
landmark
trees
as
a
result
of
this
proposed
design.
M
M
M
M
Here's
a
close-up
of
the
cross-section
of
the
actual
mixed-use
buildings
that
are
fronting
hampshire,
road,
the
design
of
the
mixed-use
buildings,
incorporate
many
design
elements
to
further
reduce
the
size,
mass
and
scale
of
the
project.
As
seen
from
hampshire,
road,
the
mixed-use
buildings
fronting
hampshire,
road
are
designed
with
staggered
floor,
staggered
floor
levels
and
varying
heights
and
setbacks,
as
shown
here
in
the
blue,
is
the
first
floor
which
is
23
feet,
11
inches
tall
with
a
20
foot
and
10
inch
setback
from
the
road.
M
The
second
and
third
floor
is
43
feet
with
9
inches
in
height
with
a
30
foot
and
10
inch
setback
and
then
the
fourth
floor
is
53
feet.
6
inches
tall
with
a
36
foot,
10
inch
setback
provided
other
design
techniques
include
incorporating
varied
roof
lines
vertical
and
horizontal
articulation
and
breaks
in
the
building
that
lessen
the
perceived
height
of
the
buildings
along
the
road.
M
Here's
another
here's,
an
elevation
of
the
proposed
building
design.
The
architecture
is
contemporary
with
building
materials
and
includes
stucco,
decor,
decorative
stone,
veneer
metal,
cladding
panels,
metal
rail
guards,
a
large
storefront
window,
which
are
provided
at
all
commercial
levels
with
metal
awnings
above
the
windows.
M
Here's
a
visual
rendering
of
the
main
entrance
from
hampshire
road
looking
towards
the
west,
as
demonstrated
here.
The
project
frontage
creates
active
areas
and
an
inviting
access
to
the
property.
The
main
entrance
provides
a
113
foot
to
170
foot
wide
separation
between
the
two
mixtures
buildings
with
the
skyline
open
space
beyond.
M
M
M
In
terms
of
regional
housing
needs
and
community
benefits,
the
project
has
added
needed
housing
for
the
city,
both
market
rate
and
affordable
additional.
Additionally,
future
tenants
and
potential
projects
would
have
access
to
all
existing
amenities,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
dog
park.
The
paseos
along
the
perimeter
of
the
site
and
the
parkit
parks
that
are
provided
on
the
subject.
Property.
M
Now,
with
regards
to
consistency
and
with
cities
with
the
city
council's
goals
and
priorities,
we
emphasize
a
couple
here:
the
project
meets
city
council
goal
I,
as
it
will
help
in
the
production
of
long-term,
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
The
project
also
meets
the
city
council.
Priority
number
nine,
as
it
will
provide
affordable
units
that
meet
the
city's
arena,
needs.
M
The
proposed
project
is
in
alignment
with
that
plan,
in
that
one,
the
site
is
identified
as
one
of
the
six
opportunities
sites,
which
is
a
key
property
that
warrants
investment
to
benefit
and
improve
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Two,
the
project
will
support
reinvestment
in
key
commercial
centers
in
the
city
and
three.
The
plan
calls
for
the
consideration
of
mixed-use
development
at
major
shopping
centers,
which
is
what
this
concept
is
proposing.
M
The
applicant
would
then
need
to
submit
a
formal
application
on
or
before
may
12th
of.
2021
formal
applications
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
a
general
plan.
Amendment
specific
plan,
a
development
permit,
a
lot
merger
et
cetera.
Any
formal
application
would
have
to
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
both
the
planning,
commission
and
the
city
council.
B
B
Anyone,
mr
mayor
councilmember
jones,
yes,
sir.
C
B
B
Very
good,
very
good.
All
right,
then
I
hearing
no
councilman
engler,
yes,
councilman
angler
go
ahead.
H
I've
got
a
few
few
questions
that
I
didn't
see
in
the
staff
report.
I'm
just
curious.
One
of
the
one
of
the
questions
I
think
is,
since
this
property
has
been
vacant.
For
so
long
is,
have
we
had
any
viable
options
on
this
property
since
the
home
depot
made
their
proposal
or
have
we
had
any
action
on
this
property
as
far
as
developing
it.
B
G
End
up
in
a
phone
call
or
ask
for
a
meeting
with
myself
and
and
mr
town
and
I
you
know
on
dozens
of
occasions,
we've
heard
concepts
ranging
from
big
box
retailers
to
groups
that
were
interested
in
bringing
water
or
amusement
parks,
none
of
which
have
risen
to
any
level
that
it
would
be
contemplated
as
a
as
a
development
proposal.
So
they
they
were,
and
I
think
from
our
reasoning.
G
Over
the
years
it's
been
a
factor
of
two
things:
the
land
valuation
and
the
significant
site
work
required
on
the
property.
It
has
a
aging
exterior.
G
L
L
They
can
speak
best
to
this,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
they've
been
seeking
the
property
for
some
time
and
and
we're
willing
to
put
in
the
legwork
to
make
that
happen.
So
this
is
the
first
real
concept
with
with
a
new
property
owner
that
that
is
before
the
city
council.
G
No
and-
and
you
know
quite
the
contrary,
you
know
on
as
an
opportunity
site.
We
would
actively
seek
anything
that
had
viability
and
we
have
a
duty
to
process
that
much
as
we
do
in
this
case.
Once
an
applicant
has
a
project,
they
have
a
opportunity
to
come
forward
in
this
forum
and
those
were
all
decisions
at
the
the
various
developers
or
interested
parties
made
themselves.
H
Thank
you
and
I
think
this
question
might
be
for
mr
town.
There
is
a
high
density
development
to
the
I
guess,
let's
see
south
there
on
hampshire,
can
you
compare
the
density
between
proposed,
though
we
have
here
and
those
apartments,
and
also
can
you
all
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
lot
coverage
and
how
much
of
that
lock
coverage
was
devoted
to
vehicles
and
driveways,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
L
That
property
was
built
in
1979
and
it
has
a
142
apartments
on
site,
which
equates
to
a
density
of
approximately
18
units
per
acre
and
then
adjacent
to
that
property.
Further
to
the
south
are
two
other
apartment
complexes,
the
oakview
apartment
homes
and
the
meadows
at
westlake,
built
in
1970
and
1971
respectively,
and
those
projects
hold
242
and
253
units
again,
respectively,
with
densities
of
21
and
about
19
units
per
acre.
So
the
over
600
units
to
the
south
of
the
property
have
densities,
ranging
from
approximately
18
to
21
units
per
acre.
H
Okay,
another
another
follow-up
question:
I
guess
what
what
percentage
acreage
wise
is
the
new
is
your
proposed
location,
going
to
be
devoted
to
open
space
and
does
that
open
space
also
include
dedicated
areas
for
vehicles,
or
is
it
strictly
grass
and
trees
and
that
sort
of
thing?
In
other
words,
you
said
it
was
120,
000
square
feet,
or
so
how
much
of
that
is
represented?
Percentage-Wise
on
that
property.
L
So
approximately
25
percent
of
the
property
is
exterior
public
open
space
and
it's
it's
shown
on
page
11
of
the
staff
report.
L
There's
a
figure
6
public
exterior
space
and
it
shows
the
blue
areas,
which
is
the
25
percent
that
is
made
up
of
outdoor
seating
areas,
green
belts,
green
spaces
that
that
are
adjacent
to
the
daycare
and
to
the
to
the
skilled
nursing
facility
and
to
the
dog
park
that
mr
contreras
mentioned.
So
those
are
shown
in
blue
on
that
exhibit
those
are
your
your
public
exterior
spaces.
H
Oh,
it's
a
it's!
A
roughly
12
acre
site,
25
3
acres
of
of
it
is
now
going
to
be
dedicated
for
open
space.
H
And
I
think
I
would
like
a
little
explanation
of
the
density
bonus
that
the
applicant
has
applied
for,
and
perhaps
that
would
be
best
with
our
city
attorney
nolan.
I
Thank
you,
council,
member
engler
density.
Bonus
law
has
been
in
existence
in
the
state
of
california
for
at
least
the
last
10
years
plus,
and
what
the
density
bonus
law
does.
Is
it
if
a
developer
provides
affordable
housing?
In
other
words,
constructs
affordable,
housing,
they're
entitled
to
a
density
bonus,
and
it's
a
formula
that's
set
forth
in
state
law.
It
is
something
that
is
mandated
on
every
state
in
I'm
sorry
on
every
city,
in
the
state
of
california
and
depending
on
the
type
of
affordable
housing.
I
That's
provided
and
the
number
of
units
that
are
provided
an
applicant
can
get
a
density
bonus
of
anywhere
from
10
percent
up
to
35
of
a
density
bonus.
Actually
I
take
that
back.
It
can
be
actually
up
to
100
density
bonus
for
cases
where
you
have
a
project
where
it's
100,
affordable,
an
applicant
can
get
a
100
density
bonus.
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
proposing
32
units
of
very
low
income
for
a
very
low
income
category
and
based
on
that,
they
are
legally
entitled
to
a
density
bonus
of
30
percent.
H
Okay-
and
I
know
the
state
is-
is
pushing
for
more
affordable
housing
in
this
in
this
time
period.
I
Well,
well,
under
state
law,
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
doing
a
comprehensive
general
plan
update
is
because
we
also
have
to
by
state
law,
adopt
a
housing
element.
Every
city
and
in
the
state
has
to
adopt
a
housing
element
every
eightish
years,
so
our
housing
element
has
to
be
adopted
next
year,
october
2021,
and
what
the
state
does
is
it.
I
It
basically
allocates
minimum
numbers
of
units
in
different
income
categories,
very
low
income,
low
income,
moderate
income
and
above
moderate
income
that
cities
must
accommodate,
in
other
words,
they
have
to
designate
so
a
city
such
as
ours
has
to
look
at
our
land
use
map
and,
if
sit,
if
we
are
given
a
number
of,
I
think
in
this
case
it's
remind
me
what
it
is,
mr
town,
that
right
now
it's
just
a
draft
number.
I
Of
those
units
have
to
be
for
very
low
and
low
income
units,
so
the
city
has
to
identify
land
on
its
land,
use,
map
and
zone
those
pieces
of
land
for
residential
at
densities,
where
the
where
a
developer
can
build
low
and
very
low
income
units.
H
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
one
other
question.
I
think
I'm
not
sure
if
our
police
chief
is
in
the
audience,
please
keep
try
off.
Is
he
available
for
a
quick
question?
He.
G
Is
he's
sitting
in
the
top
corner
here
making
his
way
down
to
the
podium?
Give
him
just
a
moment.
N
B
H
Thank
you
for
coming
down
down
the
hill
there
in
reading,
through
a
lot
of
public
comments
that
we
received
via
email.
There
was
concern
about
apartment
dwellings
and
increases
in
crimes
in
the
neighborhood.
Can
you
go
a
little
bit
into
that?
Have
you
noticed
that,
in
that
area,
with
the
apartments
being
so
close,
the
ones
just
south
of
the
location?
Has
there
been
a
noticeable
difference
in
crime
in
those
locations
or
give
us
your
your
viewpoint
on
it?.
D
O
I
Of
vehicles,
our
probably
our
number
one
crime
in
thousand
oaks
and
probably
ventura
county-
is
theft
from
vehicles.
So
anytime
there's
a
large
gathering
of
vehicles.
We
tend
to
see
a
greater
theft
from
that.
O
F
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
regarding
a
slide
in
the
slide
presentation
by
mr
contreras
about
environmental
review
or
sequa.
F
A
F
See?
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification
speaking
about
traffic
or
environmental
concerns.
Traffic
is,
of
course,
the
one
topic
that
was
raised,
the
most
in
the
commons
or
feedback
that
I
received
and
does
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
use
the
vmt
methodology,
or
which
methodology
are
we
now
adopting?
Are
we
going
by
both
just
generally
speaking.
G
Mr
hedari
will
be
responding
to
your
question
and
he's
just
walking
down
to
the
mic
right
now.
O
Good
evening,
the
vmt
methodology
is
a
newer
one
and
it
is
going
to
be
effective
on
july
1st
2020
of
this
year
to
be
the
new
methodology
to
be
used
to
study
traffic
impacts
on
environmental
impact
reports
and
secret
documentation.
So
that
will
be
something
that
will
be
used.
F
A
O
P
It's
it's
new
for
everybody
and
we
haven't
utilized
it
yet
on.
F
L
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem.
The
applicant
has
been
made
aware
of
of
the
request.
For
that
view,
they
will
be
able
to
address
that
when
they
make
their
presentation,
if
they
do
not
have
that
rendering
for
your
review
tonight.
It
would
certainly
be
a
part
of
the
environmental
analysis
that
we
just
discussed.
F
F
It
is
requested
tonight
that
the
council
agree
not
only
to
the
352
units,
but
also
to
initiate
a
general
plan.
Amendment
now
say
the
council
moves
forward
with
this
and
the
applicant
further
down
the
road
decides
not
to
move
forward
with
this
project.
We've
seen
that
before
after
pre-screenings,
what
happens
to
that
general
plan,
amendment
initiation.
I
F
Does
it
dies
along
with
it,
okay,
going
by
what
the
feedback
that
I
have
seen
also.
Is
that
the
argument
being
made
that
we
need
housing?
We
need
younger
people
to
live
here
and
therefore
we
need
this
particular
housing.
We
do
have
market
rate
apartments
available
and
there
is
there
are
vacancies
in
this
in
the
rental
field,
so
isn't
really
the
need
for
younger
people
or
entry-level
employees,
not
so
much
the
housing,
because
we
do
have
it
available,
but
the
affordability
of
it
and
I'm
not
sure
exactly
who
could
answer
that
question.
F
Okay,
because
that's
what
I
hear
we
we
need
our
children
to
live
here
and
the
the
the
houses
are
here.
The
condos
are
here:
the
apartments
are
available,
but
they're
just
not
affordable.
F
I
I
I'm
trying
to
remember
when
our
housing
expert,
veronica
tam
did
a
pr
housing
study
presentation
to
the
city
council.
What
she
indicated
were
vacancy
rates
for
apartments
and
need-
and
I
don't
know
if
mr
town
remembers,
what
those
numbers
were
or
not.
L
I
I
believe
that
ms
tam,
our
housing
consultant
for
the
general
plan
update,
said
that
vacancy
rates
for
apartments
are
under
5
percent
and
historically,
we've
seen
overpayment
for
rents.
In
other
words,
residents
are
paying
more
than
30
percent
of
their
gross
income
for
for
housing
and
we've
seen
in
the
past
overcrowding
of
units
as
well.
L
I
think
that
the
the
project
concept
that
that
we're
talking
about
tonight
it
would
obviously
introduce
more
market
rate
housing,
but,
as
you
mentioned,
there's
a
there's
also
a
real
need,
apart
from
state
requirements
for
affordable
units,
for
these
are
really
labor
working
labor
force
units,
a
variety
of
professionals
would
use
these
to
to
begin
their
careers
and
work
their
way
up.
L
In
this
particular
case,
as
was
mentioned,
the
applicant
is
proposing
32
units,
that's
nine
percent
of
the
base
units
of
the
base
353
units.
So
that's
that
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
meets
a
real
need.
Both
sort
of
local
organic
need,
as
well
as
part
of
our
formal
state
requirements
in
the
in
terms
of
the
current
housing
element
that
we're
within.
F
Would
you
say,
mr
town,
that
apartments
that
are
I'm
imagining?
There
are
three
and
four
bedroom
apartments
proposed
in
this?
That
will
probably
go
for
three
four
thousand
dollars
a
month
that
you
will
have
people
move
into
them
with
a
couple
of
roommates,
because
who
can
afford
four
thousand
dollars
a
month.
L
L
L
In
the
last
roughly
10
years,
we've
only
seen
about
one
percent
of
our
new
apartment
stock
being
three
or
four
bedroom
apartments,
but
the
applicant
can
speak,
I'm
sure
they
will
speak
to
that,
because
they
purposefully
included
the
larger
units
in
this
in
this
concept
to
meet
that
that
need
for
family
housing.
F
And
then
the
the
the
height
of
the
building,
there
are
some
buildings
which
are
54
feet
almost
54
feet,
high
right
off
hampshire
road.
We
have
a
height
limit
of
35
feet
and.
L
I
I
think,
I
think
basically,
staff
is
suggesting
that
it's
okay,
to
to
consider
this
building
height
is
really
really
the
result
of
multiple
factors:
the
the
buildings
along
hampshire
road.
When
we
looked
at
the
original
concepts
we
discussed
with
the
applicant
the
need
to
to
set
back
the
upper
floors
which
they
have
done,
the
second
third
and
fourth
floors.
L
We
asked
them
to
articulate
the
buildings
beyond
that
and
they
included
the
courtyards
that
provide
significant
spaces
within
the
buildings
and
then,
as
mr
contreras
described
in
his
presentation,
we
have
a
very
wide
entry
area
from
about
a
hundred
feet:
110
feet
to
about
170
feet
to
to
fully
separate
those
buildings,
so
much
so
that
you
can
see
the
open
space
behind
above
foothill
road
they've
obviously
used
a
number
of
different
textures
and
details,
and
and
so
forth,
to
also
manage
their
their
building
massing
as
well.
L
So
that's
why
staff
has
been
comfortable
with
this.
This
concept
and
we're
comfortable
bringing
it
to
you
tonight.
That's
not
to
say
that,
obviously
again
it's
an
idea
and
your
input
and
the
community's
input
is
important
and
the
applicant,
I'm
sure
will
will
be
listening
very
carefully
to
both
after
their
presentation.
F
L
The
the
the
the
formal
pres
proposal
to
you
tonight
is
is
nine
percent
and
and
32
units
that's
what's
before
you,
the
applicant
will
be
addressing
that
specifically
a
higher
number.
The
number
of
50
units
has
been
discussed,
but
in
terms
of
the
concept
that
the
applicant
submitted
to
us
to
forward
to
you
after
our
review,
was
for
32
units.
So
that's
something
that
the
applicant
certainly
will
address.
F
Okay,
then
we
have
the
issue
or
the
suggestion
of
retail,
given
that
retail
isn't
doing
all
that
well,
not
only
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
but
pretty
much
everywhere
due
to
internet
sales.
M
M
The
the
commercial
component
seems
to
be
a
critical
component
to
this
mixed-use
development,
in
that
it
would
help
provide
for
the
commercial
uses
that
would
be
available
to
not
only
the
residents
at
the
subject
property
but
also
within
close
proximity.
You
have
residential
uses
existing
to
the
south
and,
although
you
do
have
commercial
uses
within
a
thousand
feet,
let's
say
along
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
M
This
type
of
design
here
with
the
mixed-use
development
seems
appropriate
again
because
of
all
the
surrounding
characteristics
you
have
a.
As
I
previously
mentioned,
you
have
the
gpac,
the
general
plan
committee
that
did
specify
that
this
is
an
opportunity
site
for
both
residential
and
commercial
uses
and
also
various
input
from
the
public.
M
Regarding
the
general
plan
update
most
recently
indicating
that
these
this
site
actually
would
be
appropriate
for
this
kind
of
use.
L
And
perhaps
I
could
just
augment
mr
cruncher's
comments
when
we
considered
a
home
depot
on
this
site,
we
meaning
the
community.
L
There
were
comments
about
the
home
depot
as
it
was
proposed,
because
it
was
essentially
just
a
large,
a
big
box
retailer.
It
did
not
have
the
any
neighborhood
serving
commercial
associated
with
it
as
the
old
kmart
site
did.
Those
of
you
who
have
been
here
long
enough,
we'll
remember
there
are
in-lines,
were
in-line
stores
next
to
the
k-mart,
there
isn't
an
a
furniture
store
and
and
an
italian
restaurant
and
there's
a
liquor
store,
but
those
inline
stores
help
to
to
serve
the
immediate
community
and
win
the
home
depot
project
was
proposed.
L
That
was
one
of
the
criticisms
that
it
didn't
have
that
kind
of
neighborhood
serving
commercial
as
part
of
it,
but
I
think
it's
sort
of
a
broader
level.
The
concept
before
you
tonight
is
is
intended
to
be
more
of
a
community
more
of
a
village
design.
L
But
those
are
some
of
the
reasons
why
commercial
was
included
in
this
concept.
Why
staff
has
thought
it
was
a
reasonable
idea
for
city
council
to
consider
and
and
as
staff
already
mentioned,
the
economic
strategic
plan
recommended
that
the
city
consider
mixed-use
projects
at
these
larger
commercial
locations.
F
And
just
as
a
reminder
for
our
audience,
not
sure
how
many
are
out
there
listening
or
watching
the
the.
F
L
F
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
I
have
several
other
questions,
but
I
will
ask
them
of
the
applicant
when
it
is
his
turn.
Thank
you.
B
C
What
bob
engler
said
about
the
bonus
units-
I'm
wondering
maybe
this
should
go
to
the
city
attorney.
C
Is
it?
Would
it
be
possible
for
the
developer
to
give
the
low-cost
housing
and
and
for
for,
though
the
the
bonus
units
under
which
could
he
just
do
it
without
extra
housing.
I
C
I
Councilmember
jones
in
the
city
council
packet,
there
are
x
party
memorandums
from
each
of
you
identifying
that
you
did
have
conversations
with
the
applicant
regarding
the
project.
It's
already
in
the
record.
P
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
council
members,
this
is
tom,
cohen,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
my
client
imt
the
applicant.
Let
me
start
by
thanking
the
city's
executive
team
and
the
city
council
for
its
steady
hand
in
continuing
to
run
this
great
city,
while
also
managing
this
covet
19
crisis.
In
response,
I
also
want
to
thank
staff
for
its
efforts
and
guidance
in
evaluating
and
frankly
helping
to
improve
our
project.
P
Our
team
here
this
evening
with
imt
is
john
tesoriero
and
david
tedesco,
keith
mccloskey,
the
project,
architect,
fred
cunningham,
civil
engineer
and
duane
border
her
landscape
architect.
I
know
I'm
stating
the
obvious
we're
in
unprecedented
times.
We
know
the
economy
is
in
shambles
and,
frankly,
no
one
can
predict
how,
when
or
even
if
we
will
return
to
normal.
So
projects
such
as
imts
offer,
hope
and
progress
to
fill
a
community
need
for
housing.
P
Imt
is
offering
to
make
a
huge
investment
in
thousand
oaks.
It
not
only
brings
a
long-term
solution
to
part
of
our
housing
shortage,
but
it
also
brings
essential
construction,
jobs
and
new
resident
customers
to
existing
businesses,
businesses
that
will
be
struggling
to
rebuild
as
we
recover
from
the
current
crisis.
P
P
However,
we're
absolutely
confident
that
retail
development
of
the
size
and
scale
of
this
project
provides
that
this
property
provides
is
not
viable,
considering
how
quickly
the
retail
landscape
has
changed
over
the
last
several
years
and
further
cemented
by
their
coronavirus
impact
them
decimating
the
retail
environment
in
recognition
of
the
changing
retail
environment.
This
property
was
unanimously
supported
by
the
council
when
identified
as
an
opportunity
site
in
the
city's
economic
development
strategic
plan.
P
This
12-acre
property
can
openly
cite
this
proposed
new
development
that
is
fully
expected
to
comply
with
the
city's
development
standards
and
policies.
Cleanup
of
this
property
has
been
a
long
time
coming
kmart
closed
in
2004.
The
other
inline
stores
were
soon
followed.
We
must
ask
ourselves:
why
has
it
taken
so
long
to
redevelop?
P
There's
extraordinary
grading
costs
to
lower
this
site
to
orient
it
to
hampshire
road.
We
know
traffic
mitigation
and
other
sql
environment,
environmental
quality
act,
mitigation
measures
will
add,
cost
the
high
land
cost.
We've
got
to
provide
state
required,
affordable
housing,
the
city
fees,
the
high
quality
design
and
development
standards,
the
city
demands
and,
of
course,
satisfying
the
general
plan
goals
and
policies
all
have
made
that
a
challenge.
P
Existing
uses
in
this
area
are
an
eclectic
mix
of
the
edison
yard,
apartment
complexes,
the
daycare
service
stations,
etc.
Multi-Family
housing
with
a
small
amount
of
convenience
retail,
is
uniquely
compatible.
Let's
talk
about
the
public
benefits.
This
project
will
deliver
beautification
of
a
primary
entry
gateway
to
the
westlake
village
portion
of
thousand
oaks.
P
Removal
of
abandoned
buildings,
starkly
visible
to
the
public
and
a
significant
contribution
of
50,
affordable
units
that
assist
the
city
to
meet
its
reno
requirements.
Originally,
in
our
application,
we
offered
32
affordable
units
in
the
context
of
the
state
density
bonus
law,
but
based
on
feedback
from
the
city
and
community
to
provide
more
community
benefit.
We
have
committed
to
provide
50,
affordable
units,
also
25
percent
of
this
property.
P
We've
done
significant
community
outreach
with
mustang
marketing
they've
held
zoo
meetings
with
the
neighborhood
to
the
west
interface
with
residents
and
village
homes.
Many
calls
and
meetings
with
the
business
community
and
outreach
will
continue
all
the
way
through
this
process
to
ensure
the
residents
and
the
business
community
are
involved
and
their
feedback
is
heard.
P
A
lot
of
time
and
effort
went
into
this
pre-screen
submittal
and
process
to
ensure
a
project
of
the
highest
quality
is
presented
to
you.
As
you
know,
the
purpose
of
this
pre-screen
is
three-fold.
Number
one
provide
you
in
the
community.
A
snapshot
of
the
project.
We
know
that
this
project
will
change
as
it
goes
through
the
community
and
the
typical
review
process,
two
for
the
community
and
you
to
get
a
flavor
of
the
quality
of
the
design
and
architecture.
P
You've
seen
that
and
you'll
hear
more
and
three
establish
that
the
proposed
project
meets
the
pre-screen
criteria.
We
believe
this
project
clearly
fulfills
all
of
the
identified
pre-screen
criteria.
In
addition
to
articulated
city
objectives,
high
quality
rental
housing
is
needed
to
address
the
state's
housing
shortage
and
provide
homes
for
the
employees
of
the
businesses
that
are
here
now
and
want
to
expand
and
those
that
want
to
locate
here
and
what
property
is
well
suited
for
the
residential
use,
as
it
is
surrounded
by
a
mix
of
housing
types.
P
We
believe
this
project
design
is
of
the
highest
quality
will
set
the
bar
for
future
housing
projects
and
the
community
benefits
are
simply
overwhelming.
50,
affordable
units
clean
up
of
a
blighted
gateway,
property
publicly
available
amenities,
such
as
a
new
dog
park
pocket
park
and
walking
pass
throughout
tonight.
We're
asking
you
to
make
a
provisional
decision
that
allows
you
to
make
a
final
decision
at
some
point,
far
down
the
road.
P
P
Imt
will
be
flexible
and
only
ask
that
you
give
us
a
chance
to
design
and
develop
a
project
that
will
have
the
communities
indelible
and
print
on.
We
look
forward
to
continued
collaboration
with
the
city
staff
and
the
community
on
this.
We
understand
that
in
doing
so,
there's
no
current
or
future
commitment
being
given,
and
with
that
understanding
we
ask
that
you
provisionally
set
aside
353
measuring
units
initiate
the
general
plan
amendment
and
approve
concurrent
processing.
Now,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
keith
mccloskey
our
project
architect,.
N
N
So
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
in
terms
of
the
conversation
of
design
here
on
the
hampshire
site
and
give
some
history
to
it
as
well.
So
back
in
2018
in
the
fall,
we
got
together
with
imt
and
started
talking
about
getting
the
project
initiated,
and
we
began
initial
conversations
with
city
staff
to
discuss
really
the
appropriate
land
uses
and
vision
for
what
this
site
really
wanted
to
have
on
it
in
terms
of
programming
and
what
type
of
design
it
called
for.
N
So
at
that
time
we
talked
about
the
idea
of
the
site
changing
from
completely
residential
to
mixed
use
project.
The
idea
of
commercial
came
in
at
that
point,
and
we
got
to
the
drawing
board
and
at
that
point
we
started
looking
at
a
way.
We
could
accommodate
all
the
things
that
we
felt
that
the
site
needed
to
make
it
a
cohesive,
neighborhood
that
being
ground
floor
serving
retail.
N
That
would
both
service
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
as
well
as
the
residents
and
a
series
of
market
rate
and
affordable
units,
and
we've
got
two
mixed-use
buildings.
Buildings.
A
and
b
along
hampshire
and
those
buildings
consist
of
ground
floor
resident
retail
at
15,
000
feet
and
liner
units
on
the
ground
floor
and
three
levels
of
apartments
above
and
the
site
is
made
up
to
the
west
of
a
series
of
town
home
buildings
that
offer
three
bedroom.
Four
bedroom
apartments
for
diversity
of
unit
types
rather
than
having
just
all
large
apartment
buildings.
N
We
felt
it
was
important
to
have
diversity
and
diversity
and
unit
types
as
well,
so
we
envisioned
those
being
town
homes
that
would
accommodate
larger
families
and
families
that
maybe
aren't
quite
ready
to
take
on
home
ownership,
but
need
the
space
need
the
access
to
amenities
that
maybe
single
home
living
doesn't
provide,
but
a
little
bit
more
space
than
apartments
provide.
So
we
put
together
a
site
plan
that
we
felt
addressed
these
needs
of
bringing
in
the
affordable
units
bringing
in
a
series
of
open
spaces
which
really
become
connecting
elements.
N
That's
really
tied
to
the
community
on
all
of
its
edges,
there's
no
private
gating,
it's
all
open
and
accessible
to
the
public
and
in
terms
of
all
these
open
space
elements,
the
paseos
the
parks.
These
are
not
just
for
residents,
but
these
are
meant
to
be
public
spaces
as
well
on
the
next
slide
slide
11.
N
N
If
you
add
up
all
the
publicly
accessible
open
space,
the
common
shared
resident
amenity,
open
space
and
private
open
space
is
over
four
acres,
total
of
open
space
and
all
the
green
areas
highlighted
here
represent
a
variety
of
different
programmed
uses
which
we'd
be
happy
to
elaborate
on,
but
everything
from
resident
focused
amenities
and
outdoor
swimming
pool,
club,
room
landscape,
courtyards
on
the
podium
decks
as
well
as
some
sky
terraces,
and
then,
of
course,
the
on-grade
public,
accessible
open
space.
N
N
One
thing:
that's
a
particular
interest
of
the
project
is
the
fact
that
all
of
the
parking
for
these
mixed-use
buildings
is
internal,
it's
concealed
by
either
amenities
retail
spaces,
leasing,
lobbies
or
on
the
backs
of
the
building
residential
units.
So
the
buildings
are
completely
lined,
contain
the
parking
within
them,
and
that
allows
us
to
keep
all
the
surface
areas
of
the
site,
free
for
really
all
open
space
elements
which
makes
it
great
for
pedestrian
connectivity.
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide
routine.
N
This
gives
you
a
vantage
point
of
looking
up
from
hampshire
up
into
the
project
and
this
corner
piece.
This
is
really
the
entry
gateway
into
the
project
and
where
the
retail
element
would
essentially
anchor
it
and
the
site
has
a
lot
of
great
change
from
front
to
back
hampshire
up
to
the
west
side.
You
know
slopes
about
15
feet
and
in
doing
that,
we've
tried
to
nestle
the
building
into
the
site,
and
so,
even
though
the
building
is
four
stories,
it
starts.
N
N
The
paths
connect
out
to
the
foothill
sidewalks
to
this
park,
space
which
we'd
be
happy
to
elaborate
on
if
there's
more
questions,
but
this
is
again
another
public
open
space.
That's
really
set
aside
to
become
a
focal
point
for
not
just
residents
but
for
the
actual
neighborhood
or
city
at
large.
Mr.
B
F
Oh
okay,
are
there
more
speakers
other
than
mr
mccloskey.
F
N
No,
we
have
not
created
that
image
yet,
but
it's
something
that
could
be
done
to
help
demonstrate
the
visibility
of
the
building.
We
have
looked
at
that
view.
You
know
we
would
see
glimpses
of
our
building
behind
the
gas
station,
that's
between
the
101
freeway
and
our
building
beyond,
but
it
does
tear
us
into
the
hillside.
You'd
see
the
hills
above
it
you'd
see
the
foreground
of
the
hampshire
road
foreground
elements
as
well
as
any
commercial
buildings
that
are
closer
to
the
freeway.
F
Yeah,
I
would
imagine
this
is
a
very
prominent
gateway
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
the
westlake
village
portion
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
So
at
the
moment
we
do
see
the
rolling
hills
of
our
precious
open
space,
and
I
fear
that
the
height
of
the
proposed
buildings
will
actually
cover
those
rolling
hills
or
a
large
portion
of
them.
N
Yeah,
we
don't
imagine
that
it's
going
to
obscure
the
hills
beyond.
We
have
some
views
that
we
have
set
aside,
that
we
could
share
tonight
that
basically
demonstrate
the
view
from
foothill
up
above
looking
out
where
the
hills
on
the
east
side
are
visible.
N
You
can
even
see
on
the
main
entry
view
shop
that
we
can
go
back
to
and
that
slide
you
see
through
that
150
foot
entry
road
in
between
the
retail
looking
up
towards
the
west
of
the
project,
the
hills
beyond,
and
we've
intentionally
tried
to
from
a
pedestrian
standpoint
down
at
gray,
trying
to
open
up
a
large
view
corridor
specifically
to
that,
but
the
general
grading
on
the
site
and
its
topography
as
it's
located
throughout
this
portion
of
the
block,
really
lends
itself
to
a
building
that
can
be
sunk
down
in
the
hillside.
N
In
that
we
have
a
21
foot
existing
retaining
wall
in
the
back,
that's
been
there
as
part
of
the
kmart
site,
so
the
buildings
that
are
back
there
would
basically
be
about
34
feet
tall
and
so
they're
only
about
you
know,
10
to
15
feet
above
the
retaining
wall
at
any
time.
So
we're
not
talking
about
four
stories
above
that,
but
really
about
one
story
above
that
retaining
wall.
F
Can
you
go
to
the
slide
that
shows
an
elevation,
I
want
to
say
maybe
foothill,
I'm
not
quite
sure,
it's
a
rendering,
it's
not
a
photograph
but
a
rendering
of
the
is
it
the
condos.
F
F
N
That's
the
main
entry
drive
into
the
project,
so
this
is
building
a
and
then
immediately
to
the
left
of
that
where
the
building
stops
and
you
see
the
landscaping
and
trees
beyond.
That's
the
main
entry
road.
F
So
I'm
looking
at
this
and
directly
across
from
this
is
that
the
chase
bank
correct,
okay,
all
right-
and
I
know
we've
I've-
asked
this
question
during
our
meeting
last
week.
The
why
why
did
you
choose
this
particular
architecture
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
really
not
in
keeping
with
the
feel
and
charm
of
thousand
oaks.
N
Yeah,
the
architecture
for
this
project
was
developed
in
conjunction
with
staff,
in
terms
of
we
typically
start
with
a
massing,
and
we
look
at
where
we
can
best
allocate
the
the
project
units
to
create
a
massing
that
provides
a
smaller
scale,
more
pedestrian
building
to
it.
So
the
architecture
here
creates
that
one-story
retail
base
to
it
at
the
corner,
and
then
we
step
up
to
two
levels
of
residential
units
and
really
with
this
type
of
architecture.
N
You
know
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
offer
an
architectural
language,
that's
really
speaking,
to
what's
happening
on
the
interior
of
the
building.
So
in
this
case,
where
we've
got
retail
commercial
or
amenity
uses
on
the
ground
floor,
it's
all
about
being
transparent,
open,
welcoming,
high
visibility
connectivity
to
these
surrounding
sidewalks,
which
are
not
only
external
to
the
site
but
internal
to
the
site
as
well,
and
then
on
the
residential
units.
N
High
security,
very
highly
amenitized
units
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
serve
the
rental
community,
and
I
think
some
of
those
people
that
have
been
talked
about
earlier
in
terms
of
the
demographic
that
are
looking
to
live
here.
Looking
for
a
modern
building
which
offers
all
of
those
things
as
well
as
lots
of
day
lighting
and
so
larger
windows.
All
of
those
elements
start
to
define
the
look
of
the
building.
N
The
other
reason
why
it's
a
flat
roof
building
which
comes
across
as
more
modern,
is
because
we
were
very
sensitive
to
the
height,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
adding
say
an
additional
12
story
to
get
a
sloped
roof
on
there,
which
could
start
encroaching
a
little
bit
into
the
view
shed.
So
it
was
really
important
for
us
to
try
and
set
the
building
down
as
low
into
the
site
as
possible
and
keep
the
roofs
as
low
profile
as
possible.
N
So
some
of
those
decisions
about
programming
the
character
and
feel
of
the
building
that
we
want
to
attract
the
right
type
of
resident
to
the
project
were
important
and
the
roof
line
and
building
height
were
also
important,
and
so
some
of
the
other
aspects
of
the
design
are
about
integration
of
materials
such
as
brick
or
stone
at
the
base.
The
large
glazing
that
I
mentioned,
a
variety
of
you
know
window
types
with
detailing
whether
it's
accent
panels
below
or
above
the
window
head
to
break
down
the
scale
of
the
project.
N
All
those
elements
start
to
create
a
style
because
of
the
specific
purpose
that
they
have
and
yeah.
I
think
the
building
does
tend
to
look
a
little
bit
fresh,
but
in
terms
of
it,
maybe
more
modern
than
some
of
the
other
structures
in
thousands.
But
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
I
think
it's
starting
to
move
the
conversation
of
architecture
within
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
forward
in
terms
of
responding
to
what
the
residents
need
or
are
potentially
looking
for
in
new
housing
typologies.
P
Might
I
also
add
that
you
know
these
are
going
to
be
leed
certified
buildings
and
those
require
some
more
modern
type
techniques
to
just
to
satisfy
those
requirements.
F
Thank
you
for
for
explaining
that
I,
the
reason
I
mention
architecture
is
again.
This
is
a
very
prominent
gateway
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
It
will
be
highly
visible,
unlike
the
299
thousand
oaks
boulevard
project,
which
you,
mr
mccloskey,
also
created
as
the
architect.
F
That
particular
project
is
really
surrounded
and
enveloped
by
other
buildings,
and
you
don't
really
see
the
entirety
of
299.
However,
with
this
particular
proposal,
you
see
it
all
around
360
degrees.
It's
really
pretty
much
open
all
around
highly
highly
visible,
very
prominent
and
the
architecture
really
does
not
blend
in
with
what
we
are
used
to
seeing
in
thousand
oaks,
which
is
not
to
say
tired,
you
can
be
contemporary
with
classic
design.
F
F
Everything
else
has
a
much
softer,
much
warmer
tone
and
is
only
no
at
35
feet
and
no
higher
than
35
feet.
So
my
primary
concern,
as
I
have
mentioned
in
february,
as
I
have
mentioned
last
week,
is
the
height
and
the
massing
of
the
buildings,
and
I'm
asking
you
tonight
if
you
can
actually
work
with
buildings
that
are
within
the
35
foot
limit
for
building
height.
N
I'd
say
at
this
point:
you
know:
we've
proposed
the
project
that
has
the
right
number
of
units
that
we
think
take
advantage
of
the
size
of
you
know:
11
acres,
that
this
site
has
and
yeah.
There
is
a
density
bonus,
that's
being
proposed
as
part
of
the
affordable
units
being
included
in
the
project
as
a
community
benefit.
So,
as
the
state
density
bonus
typically
suggests
for
these
types
of
projects,
we've
we've
looked
to
take
advantage
of
that
height
increase
with
that.
N
But
we're
certainly
not
you
know
close
to
the
idea
of
looking
at
reducing
the
the
impact
of
height
we're
open
to
re-looking
at
you
know
how
the
building
height
is
shown
in
terms
of
where
the
massing
is
allocated,
I
think,
is
important.
We
can
continue
to
refine
that
and
work
with
staff
on
technical
documents
and
different
views
that
help
show
the
building
from
different
vantage
points.
N
So
it's
certainly
a
work
in
progress,
but
yeah
we're
open
to
further
studying.
You
know
this
as
we
move
forward,
and
you
know
I
think
one
thing
that
is
really
important
to
understand
in
terms
of
the
existing
site.
Topography
is
that
you
know
if
we
were
to
measure
the
height
of
the
the
single
story:
big
box.
That's
there
right
now
from
the
front
of
hampshire.
It's
it's
about
a
40
foot
tall
building
and
so
we're
not
proposing
to
go
much
higher
than
what's
there
right
now.
N
But
what
we
are
doing
is
we're
pulling
it
forward.
So
they've
got
a,
I
think,
a
22
foot
building
with
about
15
to
17
feet
of
grade
change
and
we're
basically
going
a
few
feet
above
that
in
terms
of
our
maximum
height,
but
we're
pulling
forward,
and
so
what
it
creates
is
a
building.
That's
tear
us
back
and
we've
kind
of
shown
the
numbers
as
a
worst
case
scenario.
N
But
in
no
point
would
we
ever
have
a
54
foot
tall
building
on
the
building
terraces
back,
as
you
can
see
in
the
renderings,
where
it
might
be
22
feet,
stepping
back
10
feet
going
up
another
two
stories:
stepping
back
another
30
feet
in
some
location,
so
yeah
well
by
the
numbers
we've
tried
to
share.
You
know
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
maximum
height,
the
way
that
the
code
defines
it.
N
I
think
the
reality
of
the
the
massing
is
a
really
different
story
in
terms
of
one
that's
thoughtfully
articulated
in
terms
of
the
building
step,
backs
and
kind
of
the
variety
of
plane,
changes
that
keep
pushing
architecture
back.
So
it's
never
necessarily
over
50
feet
at
any.
Given
point.
P
Can
I
jump
in
real,
quick
mayor
pro
tem
bill
de
la
pena?
This
is
tom
cohen,
we're
taking
copious
notes
of
all
your
comments
and
concerns
and
you're
making
good
points
we
want
to.
Let
you
know
that
everything
is
on
the
table
for
discussion
once
we
get
past
this
pre-screen
hearing,
so
that
we
can
study
this
and
get
back
to
you
and
talk
further
with
the
community
about
what
what
everybody
wants,
what
everybody
needs
and
working
within
the
confines
of
imt's,
wants
and
desires
as
well,
but
we're
going
to
work
with
you.
F
H
F
And,
and-
and
it's
really
now
go
ahead
because
I
I
actually
received
so
many
emails
from
residents
in
that
neighborhood
more
than
than
I
thought
I
would
receive,
I
I
posted
on
social
media
for
feedback,
as
I
swallowed
my
pride
and
post
it
on
next
door,
because
I
don't
like
what
I
read
very
often
what
I
read
on
next
door.
Nonetheless,
I
did
it
because
I
thought
the
community
needed
to
be
informed
and
much
to
my
surprise,
the
responses
were
measured.
F
They
were
really
measured,
so
I
I
reached
out
on
social
media
and
the
feedback
is
not
very
favorable
not
on
facebook,
not
on
next
door
and
not
in
the
emails.
So
far,
so
I'm
wondering
when
you
did,
you
said
you
did
reach
out
to
village
homes
because
I
getting
is
is
not
positive.
I.
P
Apologize
for
interrupting
we,
we
have
been
in
contact
with
residents
that
have
reached
out
to
us
that
we've,
we
know
that
live
in
village
homes.
We
haven't
had
a
formal
meeting
with
village
homes,
the
association
and
we
we
will
certainly
be
doing
that
and
and
setting
up
opportunities
for
charrettes
and
those
kinds
of
things
to
talk
further
about
it.
But
I
you
know
the
community
is
concerned.
They
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
process
and
they
will
be
a
part
of
this
process.
So
I
can
assure
you
that.
F
The
number
one
concern
is
traffic
and
equally
number
one
would
be
the
building
height
the
building
height
on
off
of
hampshire
road
looking,
even
though
it's
stepped
back,
it's
nonetheless
almost
54
feet
and
it
is
pretty
imposing
it.
It
truly
is
so.
That
is
why
I
was
letting
you
know
that
a
project
of
this
prominence
really
should
be
kept
at
35
feet
in
height.
P
Thank
you
for
your
your
thoughts
and
we've
heard
that
and
again
we,
you
know
in
many
ways,
we've
got
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
to
study
some
of
these
things.
When
I
say
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
I
don't
mean
start
over,
but
work
with
what
we
have
and
and
study
these
these.
These
points
that
you're
bringing
out
and
but
but
we
need
to
before
we
can
do
that.
You
know
we
need
to
get
through
this
process
this
evening,
which
is
really
this
process
is
working.
P
It's
a
pre-screen
you're,
giving
us
feedback.
If
there's
enough
merit
to
move
this
thing
forward,
which
we
believe
there
is,
then
we
will
take
your
your
points
to
heart
and
and
and
evaluate
it.
Okay,.
C
H
P
Have
any
mention
building
height
traffic
will
be
that's
the
number
one
thing
we've
heard
and
that
will
be
city
directed
study
and
you
know
we
will
be
awaiting
the
results
and
we
know
that
we
will
have
some
responsibilities
in
terms
of
mitigation.
Mitigating
impacts,
not
just
traffic
but
others,
but
traffic
is,
is
obviously
the
the
the
biggest
issue
that
we've
heard.
F
B
All
right
here
this
is
councilman
all
right.
Thank
you,
mayor
pro
tem,
my
fellow
council
members.
We
have
a
large
amount
of
speakers
this
evening.
So
if
you
please
take
that
into
consideration
with
your
questions
for
the
applicant,
thank
you.
C
For
you,
the
record
I'd
like
to
ask
the
I
guess
I'm
right
in
the
light
here
or
something
I'd
like
to
ask
the
mr
mccloskey.
I
guess
it
is.
P
Can
I
can
I
answer
that,
mr
jones?
Yes,
it's
tom
cohen,
the
the
retail
we
know
is
a
big
question
mark,
but
we
also-
and
we
also
know
that
this
will
not
be
a
retail
site
ever
again
as
it's
as
it's
composed
today.
P
But
you
know
we,
we
don't
want
to
dismiss
it
all
together,
the
retail
that
is
being
proposed.
We
call
it
convenience
retail
for
the
serving
the
immediate
neighborhood,
including
our
project,
but
also
those
around
us,
but
we're
not
beholden
to
it.
P
It's
in
terms
of
the
mix
and
the
square
footage
we've
got
to
be
realistic,
so
we
prefer
to
put
this
issue
on
hold
while
we
watch
what
happens
in
the
marketplace
and
if
we
think
there's
merit
to
presenting
what
we
have
today
versus
something
less
or
none
at
all,
we'd
like
to
be
have
the
opportunity
to
come
back
to
you
and
discuss
that
it's
it's
it's
a
moving
target
right
now.
Retail
is
very
much
up
in
the
air,
as
all
of
you
know,.
C
Well,
I
I'm
concerned
about
that,
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
number
of
cars
this
would
produce
with
the
I
think
it
is
459
units
that
seems
awfully
dense.
It
seems
when
councilman
angler
asked
you
about
the
ratio
of
square
feet
to
units
of
the
property
directly
to
the
south.
It
was
only
about
one-third.
C
I
think
if
I
got
it
right
of
the
density
that
you're
proposing,
so
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
that
and
if,
if
the,
if
the
retail
were
eliminated,
could
the
cars
or
the
the
spaces
that
you
are
making
available
for
the
retail
could
that
be
just
applied
to
the
housing?
So
you
have
more
than
one
and
a
half
parking
places
for
each
unit.
C
N
Yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
weigh
in
tom
councilmember
jones.
The
short
answer
is
yes,
you
know
we
could
eliminate
retail,
keep
the
same
number
of
parking
spaces
that
the
project
currently
has
but
allow
the
residents
to
use
those
spaces,
allocate
them
towards
residential
parking.
You
know,
currently,
we've
got
730
parking
spaces
for
the
residential,
and
then
we've
got
another
60
for
the
retail,
so
yeah
we
could
provide
all
793
as
all
residential
parking.
N
The
other
thing
is
that,
in
addition
to
allowing
more
parking
for
residents
on
site,
we
would
reduce
the
number
of
trips
generated
in
and
out
of
the
site.
That's
something
that
you
know.
We
could
potentially
study
both
scenarios
in
the
traffic
study
traffic
as
a
all
residential
project
traffic
is
a
mixed
use
project
again.
The
reason
why
we
feel
like
the
small
amount
of
retail
makes
sense
to
include
is
because
it
really
creates
that
neighborhood
place,
making
where
you've
got,
people
that
are
living
there.
N
So
all
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
by
bringing
the
retail
on
the
site,
even
though
we
think
it's
relatively
small,
start
to
encourage
walkability
and
it
starts
to
reduce
trip
traffic,
and
we
understand
that
trip
traffic
and
just
traffic
in
general
net
in
the
area
and
near
this
site
is
a
concern.
And
so
we
feel
like
having
some
of
this
starts
to
offset.
That.
H
Engler,
yes,
thank
you,
mayor
really
just
to
tag
along.
I
think
more
with
my
colleagues.
H
You
are
here
to
get
feedback
and
believe
me,
we've
gotten
quite
a
bit
of
feedback
on
this.
So
far,
one
of
my
correspondents
referred
to
the
to
the
to
the
look
of
the
building
as
more
playa
vista
than
west
lake
thousand
oaks.
So
how
how
married
are
you
to
this
design?
H
Is
it
part
of
the
coordinator
marketing
or
is
it?
Can
it
be
adjusted
more
to
be
in
line
with
our
current
architecture
in
the
area.
N
N
Details
of
different
theming
or
styles
is
really
the
last
layer
of
that
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
work
with
city
council
staff
and
the
neighborhood
groups
to
really
identify
what
everybody
to
collectively
feels
is
the
right
style
for
this
site,
because
I
think
we
probably
have
a
lot
of
different
opinions
in
terms
of
everybody
within
the
city.
N
I
know
that
in
our
discussions
with
staff
and
kind
of
getting
to
the
point
where
we
are
today,
it
was
received
very
favorably
for
different
reasons
and
different
folks
react
to
architecture
differently,
but
but
yeah
we're
more
than
happy
to
consider
refining
and
narrowing
down
the
correct
style
that
this
building
really
belongs
at.
H
One
other
quick
question
on
parking
council
member
bill
de
la
pena
mentioned
people
doubling
up
in
the
apartments
and
things
like
that
and
increasing
the
need
for
parking
right
now.
H
N
You
know,
I
think,
we're
following
both
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
parking
numbers
and
density
bonus
parking,
that's
in
the
state
law
in
terms
of
the
ratios,
but
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
it's
not
the
right
mix
for
the
resident
that's
coming
and
the
amount
of
cars
that
everyone
feels
will
be
on
this
site,
then
there's
ways
that
we
can
grow
the
garage
and
gain
more
parking
spaces.
P
Councilman
yeah
engler,
it's
tom
cohen,
it's
vitally
important
to
imt
to
make
sure
they
have
sufficient
parking
for
their
residents
and
in
terms
of
concern
about
doubling
up
they
own
and
manage
many
thousands
of
units
throughout
the
country,
and
they
have
very
strong
lease
terms
that
prevent
that
kind
of
thing
from
happening.
But
we
understand
that
guests
come
and-
and
so
we,
our
our
number
one
priority
in
terms
of
parking,
is
to
make
sure
there
is
no
spillover
into
the
into
the
adjacent
streets
and
neighborhoods.
P
So
you
can
be
sure
that
we
will.
This
issue
will
be
addressed
to
your
satisfaction.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
councilmember
engler
and
thus
the
purpose
of
a
pre-screen
you,
the
applicant,
I
know,
is
listening
intently
or
I
hope
they
are
to
what
my
fellow
council
members
have
to
say
about
this
project
and
to
have
that
all
taken
into
due
consideration
as
the
project
potentially
moves
along.
Mr
mayor,
yes,
councilmember
jones,
we
have
a
five-minute
break
before
the
other.
Well
we're
about
I'm
about
to
call
for
that.
B
Let
me
just
finish
up
a
few
little
details
here
and
we
will
have
just
that,
so
we
have
at
least
46
speakers
that
I'm
aware
of,
and
we
are
going
to
open
up
our
phone
lines
for
call-in
speakers
as
well.
I
think
you'll
see
the
phone
number
appear
on
the
screen
here
in
just
a
moment,
but
the
phone
number
four
call-ins
is
eight
zero.
Five.
B
A
A
A
A
B
All
right
we're
going
to
get
started
here,
hope
everybody
is
refreshed,
because
we
have
quite
a
few
speakers
here:
okay
38
all
right
and
there
may
be
some
call-ins
at
the
end,
but
let's
just
get
started,
that's
the
best.
So
let
us
go
first
to
amy
cummins.
J
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
adam
and
honorable
council
members.
My
name
is
amy
cummins,
I
reside
in
oak
park
and
I
am
pleased
and
proud
to
honor,
or
rather
represent
los
robles
health
system
tonight,
as
vice
president
community
employer
and
government
relations.
I
trust
this
finds
you
all
well
and
healthy.
Thank
you
for
all
that
you
are
doing
to
help,
communicate
and
encourage
health
precautions
and
safety
for
the
residents
of
our
community.
J
J
J
However,
during
this
pandemic
time,
unprecedented
and
surreal
time
in
our
nation,
they
are
truly
some
of
the
most
important
and
I'm
referring
to
addressing
the
house
needs
of
our
entire
las
robles
workforce,
particularly
those
that
are
typically
invisible
to
the
public,
highlighted
by
the
news,
but
perform
extremely
important
work
and
are
at
the
lower
end
of
the
scale
such
as
housekeepers
who
keep
the
hospital
clean
and
sanitary
for
our
patients
and
community.
Our
food
service
workers
who
prepare
and
serve
healthy
meals
for
our
patients
and
our
staff.
J
Our
engineers
and
facilities,
maintenance,
crew,
working
24
7
to
keep
the
hospital
safe
and
in
top
performance
mode
for
every
man,
woman
and
child
that
we
care
for
los
robles
is
very
proud
to
be
the
only
consistent
hospital
in
all
of
ventura
county
to
be
rated.
A
for
quality
outcomes
by
the
third
party.
Leapfrog
group
philosophy
compensates
our
nurses
and
technicians
well,
but
they
still
report
in
the
hiring
process
that
there
is
no
affordable
housing
in
the
local
vicinity.
J
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
want
to
reiterate
because
of
the
number
of
speakers
that
we
have
we're
at
two
minutes.
Each
and
again
I
ask
you
to
please
state
your
name
and
city
of
residence.
Next
up
sean
moradian.
K
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
honorable,
council
members,
my
name
is
sean
roddian,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
thousand
oaks
and
the
president
of
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
association
here
on
behalf
of
the
association
this
evening,
to
support
this
project
first
off.
Allow
me
to
say
that
this
is
the
first
time
the
association's
history
that
we've
taken
a
position
on
a
project
outside
the
specific
plan
boundaries.
K
Additionally,
none
of
the
toba
members
and
or
board
have
any
financial
interests
in
this
project
whatsoever.
With
that
said,
the
applicant
did
perform
an
outreach
to
our
organization.
We
have
reviewed
the
project
and
find
that
it
is
the
highest
and
best
use
for
this
site.
That's
not
making
for
nearly
15
years,
there's
superior
design
and
attention
to
detail
with
amenities
in
open
space.
K
K
Arguably,
in
addition
to
the
affordable
units,
one
could
say
that
nearly
60
percent
of
the
project
site
could
be
viewed
as
affordable
because
of
its
allocation
to
studios
and
one-bedroom
units.
Our
community
lacks
this
type
of
housing.
Respectfully
the
project
is
within
walking
distance,
thousands
of
boulevard
shops
and
restaurants.
K
Q
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
my
name
is
chuck
leck.
I
am
and
have
been
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
for
42
years
tonight
I
speak
as
a
private
citizen.
I
speak
in
favor
of
this
project.
This
type
of
project
will
provide
much
needed
housing
for
singles
and
couples
who
may
only
need
a
one
or
two
bedroom
apartment
in
addition
to
older
singles
and
couples
that
are
looking
to
downsize,
both
housing
units
that
we
sorely
need,
but
there's
another
reason
why
this
project
could
be
beneficial
to
our
city.
Q
Q
Q
Q
We
built
very
few
homes
over
the
past
12
years.
Why
has
traffic
gotten
so
bad?
We
do
not
have
enough
housing
available.
The
right
type
of
housing
for
the
people
that
work
here
or
want
to
live
here,
forcing
them
to
commute
adding
this
project
with
700
parking
spaces
would
essentially
remove
700
cars
from
the
101
during
both
the
morning
and
the
evening
commutes.
Q
J
J
Also,
an
animal
adoption
boom
has
spread
throughout
the
country.
While
this
is
wonderful,
it
is
not
a
sustainable
solution.
Motels
will
need
to
get
back
to
their
businesses
and
there
are
so
many
animals
that
have
not
been
chosen.
My
proposition
for
the
property
is
a
homeless
shelter
with
a
place
to
care
for
the
unwanted
animals.
I
understand
that
the
building
is
not
in
the
best
current
condition,
as
it
has
been
sitting
vacant
for
many
years.
J
Instead
of
building
housing
to
bring
more
people
to
our
city,
it
should
be
used
to
care
for
the
citizens
that
are
already
here.
The
homeless
population
is
often
overlooked.
It
was
not
for
the
coronavirus,
they
would
still
be
passed
over
my
family
and
I
have
created
a
non-profit
called
the
matthew
project.
It's
our
goal
to
support
those
in
need.
There
are
people
all
over
the
world
in
need
of
help,
but
I
feel
that
we
should
care
for
our
nearest
neighbors
to
strengthen
our
community.
If
our
community
is
strong,
then
more
help
can
be
spread.
J
The
building
has
been
sitting
unoccupied
for
over
a
decade.
It's
been
waiting
for
a
purpose.
What
better
purpose
than
to
help
the
community
that
once
filled
it
my
family
and
I
have
many
plans
to
help
wherever
the
chance
presents
itself.
We
cannot
do
it
alone.
I've
met
I've,
read
many
of
the
comments
opposing
the
renovation
of
the
sites.
Their
concerns
are
the
traffic
it
would
bring
and
the
disturbance
to
the
community.
The
matthew
project
would
like
to
work
with
the
surrounding
community.
J
Our
non-profit
would
like
to
if,
given
the
chance,
look
into
getting
donations
and
grants
to
transform
the
property
for
this
purpose
because
of
the
location
and
lack
of
residential
parking,
we
feel
we
could
put
to
use
the
property,
as
is,
for
the
most
part,
with
minimal
disruption
to
the
surrounding
homes,
businesses
and
extended
community.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
of
my
proposal.
K
Mr
mayor
council,
member
bill
de
la
pina
council,
member
engler
and
councilmember
jones,
I'm
here
as
a
resident
of
unincorporated
ventura
county,
but
a
frequent
visitor
to
thousand
oaks.
It's
basically
my
home
city
and
I
want
to
see
it,
continue
to
grow
and
develop
in
a
good
way
for
the
community.
K
I'm
asking
you
to
support
this
project
and
to
support
the
allocation
of
the
units
to
this
project
tonight,
because
this
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
something
that
thousand
oaks
has
not
yet
had
really
much
development
of
which
is
a
very
small
scale,
but
dense
mixed-use
development,
but
one
that
one
that's
going
to
put
459
roofs
over
the
heads
of
families
and
individuals
that
want
to
live
here
in
thousand
oaks
and
in
many
cases
already
do
but
want
a
more
permanent
place
to
live.
K
K
O
My
name
is
john
love:
I'm
a
resident
of
oak
park,
I'm
speaking
tonight
as
a
representative
of
chapelle
properties,
chappelle
owns
and
manages
and
develops
commercial
shopping,
centers,
commercial,
other
commercial
projects
and
multi-family
or
apartment
projects.
We
don't
have
any
economic
interest
in
in
this
project.
We.
O
A
15
building
approximately
750
000
square
foot
commercial
project
up
in
the
rancho
canejo
area
of
thousand
oaks.
On
a
personal
note
in
1975,
my
family
moved
to
thousand
oaks,
and
I
lived
there
for
the
next
12
years,
graduating
from
westlake
high
school
and
and
moved
back
to
the
canal
valley
about
10
years
ago.
So
I
have
a
long
history
and
appreciation
of
the
city.
P
So
I'm
very
I'm
here
to
speak
on
support
of
the
city's
consideration
of
the
redevelopment
of
the
site
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
it's
much
needed
would
be
a
much
needed
upgrade
and
specifically
with
regard
to
what
we're
looking
to
accomplish.
O
P
O
Bringing
employers
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
I
think
the
the
provision
of
housing
is
an
important
amenity,
no
different
than
parks
open.
P
Space
trails
and
so
forth,
schools,
and
so
provision
of
housing,
I
think,
is
a
is
an
important
way
to
attract
employers,
keep
employers
and
not.
O
Withstanding
the
covet
environment
provide
an
ability
for
employers
to
have
employees
close
by.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
D
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
me,
but
I've
had
like
the
typical
day
in
the
life
of
a
working
mom
here
in
my
home
office
with
meeting
a
computer
court
and
this
presentation
complete
with
a
cat,
so
hope
everybody's
doing
well
wanted
to
say
that
my
husband
and
I
have
lived
here
in
village
homes
for
almost
20
years
now,
and
we
remember
going
on
dates
before
we
were
married
over
in
the
little
italian
dive
restaurant
at
the
kmart
site,
and
we
had
to
shop
at
that
kmart
for
many
years
to
buy
our
kids
clothes
and
things,
because
that
was
all
that
we
could
afford
even
being
here
as
village
homes
residents.
D
So
we
have
been
really
disappointed
over
the
years
with
seeing
the
dilapidated
site
because,
as
two
working
parents,
we
put
everything
we
had
into
buying
our
home
in
this
nice
community
and
loving
all
the
amenities
that
village
homes
has
to
offer,
as
well
as
west
lake
village.
D
So
thinking
about
who
we
could
help
by
flexing
and
and
being
tolerant
of
considering
a
new
vision
for
that
piece
of
land,
I
think,
would
be
beneficial
to
not
just
you
know,
low
and
oppressed
kind
of
like
income
types
that
are
just
fresh
out
of
college,
trying
to
figure
out.
What's
this
new
covid
world
going
to
look
like
because
none
of
us
really
know
but
as
biotech
professionals
now
in
our
mid-career,
we
are
being
told
that
we
should
be
considering
working
from
home
for
the
unforeseeable
future,
which
is
quite
a
long
time.
D
So
for
me,
when
I'm
thinking
about
what
would
be
great,
it
would
be
a
walkable
community.
We've
talked
about
that
a
lot
we
would
like
to
have
the
mixed
use,
because
we
could
potentially
get
groceries
in
another
location
or
pick
up
a
fun
meal,
hopefully
someday.
We
could
get
back
to
exercise,
maybe
even
a
yoga
studio
could
go
in
there.
D
O
Hello,
mayor,
adam
and
council
members,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
I
am
adam
haverstock,
director
of
government
affairs
and
tourism
at
the
greater
kaneo
valley
chamber
of
commerce.
I
wanted
to
discuss
some
of
these
subjective
arguments
that
you
were
likely
to
hear
from
speakers
tonight
against
this
pre-approval.
O
Some
speakers
will
present
arguments
related
to
being
against
growth.
In
the
city
statements
like
when
I
moved
to
thousand
oaks,
it
was
a
small
town.
I
wanted
to
stay
that
way.
I
don't
want
it
to
become
the
san
fernando
valley,
or
I
like
the
idea
of
thousand
oaks
growing,
but
not
at
the
specific
site
on
hampshire
road.
Not
next
to
my
house
the
kind
of
nimby
argument.
O
Some
of
the
comments
will
be
made
stating
environmental
concerns.
Things
like
there
are
trees
or
plants
in
this
property
that
need
to
be
protected.
As
you
know,
the
city
has
ordinances
to
protect
certain
trees.
In
fact,
the
city
requires
developers
to
plant
new
trees
at
a
higher
number
in
better
locations
if
they
are
removed,
and
then
this
doesn't
fit.
The
nearby
neighborhood
density
should
be
put
elsewhere,
also
kind
of
a
nimby
argument.
O
I
wanted
to
make
two
points
that
I
think
you
will
find
make
all
of
those
subjective
comments
not
really
relevant
to
this
discussion.
Number
one.
The
state
of
california
has
a
housing
crisis.
The
state
legislature
officially
declared
it
so
last
year
in
senate
bill
330
the
housing
crisis
act
of
2019..
O
The
governor
has
stated
that
california
needs
3.5
million
new
homes
in
the
next
seven
years
and
thousand
oaks
like
all
cities
as
regional
housing
targets,
it
must
hit.
Some
cities
are
being
sued
by
the
governor
for
not
hitting
their
housing
targets.
Number
two.
The
rules
by
which
residential
development
may
be
reviewed
has
changed
because
of
senate
bill
330..
As
of
january
1st
2020,
you
may
not
use
subjective
criteria
like
the
stuff
I
mentioned
earlier.
O
As
reasons
to
deny
a
housing
project,
you
may
only
consider
whether
an
applicant
has
met
the
predetermined
objective
criteria
provided
by
the
city's
development
process
and
code.
If
the
applicant
has
met
such
criteria,
you're
obligated
to
approve
a
project.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Please
pre-approve
this
important
project
for
thousand
oaks.
Thank.
J
Good
evening,
mayor
adam
and
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
danielle
borgia.
I
reside
in
the
unincorporated
area
of
thousand
oats,
but
I
speak
before
you
tonight
as
the
president
and
ceo
of
the
greater
kaneho
valley
chamber
of
commerce.
We
are
an
association
of
over
900
businesses
in
the
communities
of
thousand
oaks,
westlake,
village
and
avorah
hills.
The
executive
committee
of
our
chamber
has
reviewed
the
proposal
for
325
hampshire
road
and
would
like
to
express
our
support
for
this
vibrant
mix
use
project.
J
J
The
small
amount
of
retail
in
the
development
will
give
residents
a
walkable
access
to
on-site
commercial
uses,
as
well
as
commercial
uses,
located
close
proximity
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
on
behalf
of
the
board
of
directors
and
our
900
members,
I
urge
you
to
support
this
project's
pre-approval
this
evening.
Thank
you.
J
Hi
good
evening,
my
name
is
cindy
goldberg
and
I
am
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
I
want
to
make
it
very
clear
this
evening
that
I'm
here
as
a
private
citizen,
as
the
board
of
education,
has
not
taken
any
official
stance
on
this
project.
Nor
do
I
expect
we
ever
would,
and
I'm
not
here
to
speak
to
the
details
of
this
plan.
I
trust
the
four
of
you
to
decide
the
details
that
reflect
and
match
our
unique
and
beloved
community.
J
J
Every
potential
project
that
has
been
bandied
about
before
has
been
met
less
than
favorably
by
proximate
residents.
It
stands
to
reason
that
it
would
be,
it
would
likely
be
more
amenable
to
housing.
Even
more
than
that,
we
can
all
agree
that
the
need
for
affordable
housing
is
one
of
our
greatest
challenges
as
a
community
employers
of
all
sizes
continually
stress
this
need,
as
the
number
one
recruiting
concern
in
order
to
have
a
vibrant
business
community.
J
We
need
to
be
able
to
attract
workers
who
can
afford
to
live
here
and
to
be
part
of
the
canejo.
We
are
a
community
aging
in
place
in
more
ways
than
one
these
days
in
order
to
thrive
and
move
forward.
Young
families
and
entry-level
professionals
and
workers
need
a
place
to
start
here
in
the
canajo,
no
matter
what
this
development
looks
like
in
the
end,
affordable
housing
is
critical
to
our
community's
future.
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
for
your
leadership
during
this
unprecedented
time.
K
K
I'm
here
tonight
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
needs
of
the
approximately
300
staff
members
that
we
have
at
atara.
The
the
demographic
of
our
workforce
is
made
up
of
biologists,
scientists,
engineers
and
young
professionals.
Predominantly
when
I
talk
to
our
staff
members,
what
I
hear
from
them
is
that
housing
is
quite
challenging
to
penetrate
in
the
thousand
oaks
area.
K
I
also
hear
from
them
that
they'd,
like
more
entertainment
options
and
the
city
has
certainly
made
some
progress
in
these
areas
over
the
last
few
years
and
is
continuing
to
develop
with
the
teo
boulevard
and
the
civics
art
plaza
to
shore
that
up.
They
also
want
the
outdoor
activities
and,
and
certainly
that's
an
area
that
thousand
oaks
excels
in
and
and
it
makes
it
a
great
place
to
live.
K
When
I
look
at
the
project
before
us,
I'm
really
excited
about
it.
I
think
it
ticks
a
lot
of
the
boxes
or
checks.
A
lot
of
the
boxes.
Number
one
it
provides
housing
for
earlier
and
career
professionals.
It
allows
for
a
step
up
option
where
they
can
come
into
the
community
and
then
move
on
to
another
housing.
It
also
provides
a
affordable
housing,
which
is
a
critical
need
in
the
community.
K
The
mixed
use,
nature
of
this
project
actually
bodes
well
for
the
entertainment
aspect,
and
the
walkability
aspect
of
the
project
is
very
nice
and
finally,
just
from
an
aesthetic
perspective,
I
actually
love
the
design
of
the
building.
I
think
it's
very
attractive
for
the
demographic
within
my
company,
and
I
I
I
support
what
what
is
there,
unfortunately,
with
our
people,
many
of
them
have
the
choice
that
they
want.
They
can
work
in
thousand
oaks,
but
it's
hard
to
live
in
thousand
oaks.
K
I
think
this
project
gives
the
opportunity
for
people
to
not
only
work
here
but
also
to
live
here.
I
encourage
the
chain,
the
council
to
approve
the
application
before
you
tonight.
Thank.
O
Hello
council,
my
name
is
tom
means
I
am
a
moore
park
resident
and
a
thousand
oaks
business
owner
and
I'm
speaking
to
you
tonight,
as
both
an
individual
and
on
behalf
of
pch
benefits
and
insurance
solutions.
The
thousand
oaks
business
that
I.
O
The
general
plan,
specifically
a
land,
use,
change
the
site
of
the
old
kmart.
I
grew
up
in
thousand
oaks,
I
shopped
at
they
kmart
as
a
kid
and
after
college.
I
came
back
and
I
lived
in
thousand
oaks
for
over
a
decade
until
just
a
couple
of
years
ago,
when
I
had
to
move
out
of
the
area
in
order
to
have
a
single
family
home
for
my
young
family.
Now
as.
O
Only
thirty
percent
of
my
team
currently
is
able
to
live
in
thousand
oaks.
The
other
70
percent
have
to
live
in
surrounding
cities
like
camarillo,
simi
valley,
moore
park,
oxnard
or
even
outside
of
the
county,
and
commute
to
work.
This
project,
in
my
opinion,
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
providing
additional
housing,
especially
affordable
housing
for
my
employees
and
the
employees
of
other
local
small
businesses.
O
I
also
happen
to
think
this
development
will
shine
an
aesthetic
appeal,
especially
when
you
especially
compared
to
what
it
looks
like
now,
even
when
viewed
from
the
101
freeway,
for
instance,
and
by
providing
more
affordable
and
desirable
housing,
especially
with
the
beautiful
designs
that
have
been
presented
at
least
initially
it'll
allow
my
team,
especially
my
younger,
less
established
employees,
to
cut
down
our
commute
times,
reduce
traffic
in
the
area
and
have
a
better
work.
O
For
those
reasons,
I
urge
you
to
allow
the
pre-screen
process
to
proceed
on
the
site
of
the
old
kmart,
allow
that
empty
rundown
building
and
the
empty
parking
lots
to
be
convertible
converted
to
a
new
beautiful
development,
that'll
allow
for
more
housing
and
from
my
workforce
to
live,
live
and
work
in
the
same
area
and
for
more
tax
revenue
for
the
great
city.
I
kindly
thank
you
for
your
consideration
in
your
time.
Thank.
O
Great,
thank
you
say,
council
members,
my
name
is
max
genis,
I'm
with
ventura
county
envy,
and
I
actually
I
live
in
oxnard.
I
support
the
project
and
I
want
to
speak
about
about
this
project
in
particular,
because
I
think
we
all
know
the
housing
crisis
is
regional
and
one
of
the
oxford
is
one
of
the
most
overcrowded
communities
in
california
and
that's
been
identified
as
a
major
risk
factor
for
infection.
O
It's
also
just
really
uncomfortable
for
people
who
are
having
to
self-isolate
right
now
and
it's
kind
of
a
symptom
of
this
housing
shortage
that
we
all
have
in
the
county.
A
lot
of
these
preceded
the
crisis
they'll
be
long
after
the
crisis,
if
we
don't
fix
it.
So
if
we
continue
to
have
a
housing
charge,
people
are
gonna,
have
to
commute
long
distances
have
to
pay
high
housing
costs
and
that's
gonna
be
even
more
economically
challenging
for
a
lot
of
people.
O
I
also
have
some
some
friends
and
thousand
oaks
who
are
suffering
from
this
directly,
who
have
to
pay
pretty
high
sums
living
with
their
parents
again.
This
was
before
the
crisis,
so
I
think
this
will
help
projects
like
this,
that
convert
from
commercial
to
residential,
or
at
least
allow
for
the
option,
I
think,
are
exactly
the
right
step
forward.
So
I
urge
you
to
approve
the
project.
Thank
you.
J
Are
you
able
to
see
it?
Yes?
Okay,
so
why
oppose
the
kmart
site
high
development
apartment?
I
I
think
it's
a
great
location
for
residential,
and
I
hope
that
we
could
actually
get
some
affordable
units
there
and
it
looks
like
this
developer
is
able
to
do
that,
but
the
developer's
proposal
is
highly
un.
J
Like
anything
we
have
in
thousand
oaks.
We
have
worked
hard
in
our
city
to
have
high
quality
standards.
This
is
the
developers
proposal
that
you
see
in
the
second
slide
and
as
we
understand,
this
is
actually
just
one
of
the
buildings
building
a
building
beads
on
the
other
side
of
it.
This
third
slide,
if
you
can
go
to
that,
also
shows
the
developer's
proposal
again,
unlike
what
thousand
oaks
standards
would
allow.
The
next
slide
also
is
a
rendering
of
what
the
project
would
look
like.
J
The
53
foot
high
mass
is
right
on
hampshire,
and
that
would
be
an
incredible
incompatible
design
with
the
rest
of
thousand
oaks.
It
would
stand
out
like
a
sore
thumb.
The
next
slide
shows
a
design
of
what
the
different
layout
would
be
the
different
levels
and
I'm
hoping
you're,
seeing
what
I'm?
What
would
like
you
to,
but
it
has
peach
color
little
boxes,
that
you
can
see
on
it
and
each
one
of
those
peach
colored
little
boxes
is
what
they're
calling
open
space.
So
they
add
all
those
together
and
they're.
J
B
J
J
J
The
last
slide
is
just
shows
you
the
difference
between
what
is
los
angeles,
playa,
vista
type
of
development
and
what
is
thousand
oaks
type
of
development.
They
need
a
specific
plan
to
get
the
the
total
density
that
they
want
to
exceed
the
building
heights
and
the
allocation
tonight
of
the
measure
a
unit.
So
I
would
ask
that
you
please
take
a
better
look
at
what's
really
needed
at
that
site
and
what
is
our
standards
that
we've
worked
so
hard
over
many
years
to
develop?
K
Yes,
good
evening,
I
assume
I'm
coming
through.
Okay,
yes,
thank
you,
you're
good,
thank
you
to
the
council
for
the
time
to
hear
residents
in
the
area.
I
I
got
that's
good
to
hear
from
the
woman
that
lives
in
her
family
that
lives
right
next
door
in
those
town
homes.
K
I
live
about
just
as
far
away
have
a
family
of
three
children
and
that
attend
the
local
schools,
and
you
know
when
the
in
the
comments
I
sent
earlier
before
the
meeting
you
know
it's,
you
know
it
states
and
I
saw
the
staff
report
and
I
appreciate
them
going
through
it.
It
states
353
dwelling
units,
but
it
really
is
459
with
the
bonuses
and
the
things
that
come
in.
K
If
you
look
at
the
apartments
that
are
next
door,
that
is
142
units
imt
owns
253
right
next
door
to
it.
There
you
are
at
395
units,
I'm
trying
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
mass
that
you're
going
to
put
more
than
that
in
an
11
acre
site,
the
average
unit
size
in
each
of
those
and
actually
each
of
the
three
there's
oakview
apartments
at
645,
hampshire,
there's
242
units
there.
So
again,
there's
637
total
in
those
three
groups
they
average
18
to
20
units
per
acre.
K
K
O
Hello,
everyone
thank
you
for
having
me
on
here
and
I'm
taking
the
time
to
listen
everyone
first
off.
I
want
to
say
that
I
am
in
support
of
this
proposition
here.
I
live
right
down
the
road,
I'm
a
citizen
of
westlake
village
and
I'm
kind
of
the
demographic
that
this
type
of
a
community
would
target.
In
essence,
you
know
I'm
30
years
old
and
when
my
wife
and
I
first
moved
to
this
area,
we
had
trouble
finding
an
apartment
complex
that
kind
of
fitted
our
version
of
a
perfect
community.
O
We
came
from
woodland
hills
where
they
have.
You
know
mixed
use,
types
of
properties
there
and,
quite
frankly,
the
the
options
in
the
thousand
oaks
in
the
surrounding
areas
are
very
old
and
the
amenities
are
just
not
up
to
par.
So
something
like
this
is
something
that
I
think
people
my
age
in
younger
generations,
as
they're
coming
up
and
trying
to
get
an
apartment
of
their
own
would
be.
You
know
much
in
favor
for
as
well
as
just
you
know.
I
think
it
looks
really
great
to
be
honest,
aesthetically.
It
looks
great.
D
D
I
want
to
first
thank
you
for
exploring
the
renovation
of
the
kmart
site.
It's
been
in
disarray
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
and
I
think
this
is
an
incredible
opportunity
to
bring
some
positive
change
to
our
community,
I'm
at
a
point
in
my
life,
where
I'm
beginning
to
explore
new
housing
options
and
for
people
in
a
similar
situation.
As
me,
unless
you
have
the
desire
for
a
single
family
home,
there
are
few
options
in
our
area.
D
D
The
communities
we
love
and
where
we
have
grown
up
in
order
to
move
to
cities
that
have
created
modern
housing
options
for
us
as
a
result,
please
allow
the
pre-screen
process
to
continue
for
this
mixed-use
project
at
the
kmart
site
and
take
one
of
our
biggest
eyesores
into
the
future
and
give
the
next
generation
a
place
within
our
community
to
call
home.
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
consideration
of
this
project
and
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
my
point
of
view.
F
F
J
O
Yes,
I
know,
excuse
me,
as
I
said,
my
name
is
madison
long
and
I
actually
live
in
thousand
oaks
right
behind
this
kmart
proposed
site
on
manzanita
lane,
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
the
kmart
site
is
the
wrong
place
for
a
high
density
compound.
Make
no
mistake:
I
want
to
see
something
done
with
the
site,
but
the
hampshire
101
exit
is
already
congested
enough.
Throughout
the
day
the
southbound
101
freeway
stopped
is
stopped
during
rush
hour
due
to
the
long
lines
of
cars
waiting
to
exit
at
hampshire.
O
You
can
tell
me
you
have
a
plan
for
this,
but
this
is
a
numbers
game
and
there
is
no
way
you
can
add
459
apartments
to
this
area
and
not
expect
an
endless
traffic
jam.
You
might
tell
me
you're
going
to
do
something
to
fix
and
redesign
the
roads,
but
there's
only
so
much
space
here
and
it
will
not
be
possible
to
accommodate
all
of
these
apartments
without
an
enormous
increase
in
traffic.
O
The
current
residents
and
taxpayer
taxpayers
will
be
the
ones
who
pay
for
all
of
this
and
all
of
thousand
oaks
residents.
Tax
dollars
are
going
to
be
dedicated
to
this
project
and
it's
unfair
to
expect
the
entire
community
to
have
to
pay
for
this
a
project
that
will
benefit
a
single
development
company
residents
nearby,
including
myself,
will
pay
for
this,
not
only
with
their
dollars
but
with
their
standard
of
living.
Please
don't
do
this
to
your
constituents.
Don't
sell
us
out
for
the
profit
of
others.
Please
vote
against
this
project.
O
D
Okay,
great
hi,
my
name
is
haley.
I
live
in
westlake
village,
so
I
actually
really
love
this
project.
I
think
it's
great
for
people
around
my
age
who
live
in
los
angeles,
who
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
rent.
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
have
people
who
live
in
la
like
a
lot
of
my
friends
would
love
to
move
to
the
suburbs,
but
we
don't
have
affordable
apartments
out
here.
I
think
it's
something
that
we
definitely
should
move
forward
with.
I'm
a
big
fan
and
that's
pretty
much
all.
M
So
I'm
definitely
in
favor
of
this
for
three
main
points.
Something
obviously
needs
to
be.
O
M
K
Hi,
my
name
is
dennis
goss.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
newberry
park.
California,
I've
worked
in
thousand
oaks
in
westlake
village
for
teledyne
and
mws
twire
for
the
last
decade.
K
I'm
probably
the
target
demographic
for
this
type
of
project.
I've
lived
in
santa
monica
in
sherman
oaks
in
oxnard.
I've
had
hour-long
commutes
to
thousand
oaks
or
westlake
village
over
the
last
10
years,
and
that's
a
result
of
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
and
housing
developments
like
this
mixed
mixed-use.
K
You
know
my
wife
and
I
recently
purchased
the
condo
and
it's
slim
pickings
in
thousand
oaks
in
west
lake
newbury
park
for
people
in
in
the
20
and
30
age
groups.
So
I
wholly
support
this
development.
It's
an
upgrade
over
the
the
kmart
eyesore.
That's
that's
there
today
in
terms
of
the
retail
mix
from
personal
experience,
having
markets
and
access
to
retail
within
walking
distance
and
not
having
to
get
in
your
car
is
a
huge
bonus
and
a
big
plus.
K
I
wouldn't
try
to
change
that.
It'll
it'll
help
reduce
traffic
and
hopefully,
if
you
can
attract
some
younger
people
into
the
community
who
work
in
the
community
already
and
can
live
here.
That
will
certainly
reduce
traffic,
improve
efficiency
for
local
companies
and
and
reduce
stress
overall.
So
so
please
consider
this.
Thank
you.
O
O
Park,
like
I
said,
I
support
this
project.
I
drive
by
that
place.
Often
it's
time
for
some
change.
This
new
project
will
provide
some
incredible
housing
opportunities
along
with
affordable
housing
services
to
that
general
area,
business
and
employment
opportunities
in
that
area
as
well.
This
is
the
gateway.
This
is
one
of
the
first
places
that
people
see
when
they
come
to
our
city
and
it's
time
to
do
something
in
that
area.
I
support
the
project
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
O
R
Hi
good
evening,
thank
you
for
having
me.
I
want
to
speak
out
tonight
as
a
private
citizen,
but
I'm
also
on
the
advisory
board
for
the
cal,
lutheran
hospitality
and
tourism
program,
and
I've
lived
in
the
community
for
about
30
years.
R
I
want
to
come
out
strongly
supporting
this
project
that
site's
been
an
eyesore
for
frankly,
since
before
kmart
closed,
I
live
about
a
quarter
mile
from
the
project,
so
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
traffic
impact
and
would
like
to
see
the
city
work
with
the
developer
to
mitigate
those
concerns
as
they
move
forward.
But
as
such,
I
think
the
project
absolutely
should
go
forward.
You
know
going
back
to
my
time
as
a
student
like
10
12
years
ago.
R
You
know
the
lack
of
affordable
rental
housing
for
students
has
been
a
consistent
problem
for
a
while
and
has
only
gotten
worse,
as
we've
seen
housing
crisis
continue
to
rise.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
aesthetic
comments
on
the
project
from
members
of
the
council
in
the
community
are
misplaced,
especially
when
comparing
them
to
existing
apartment
complexes
in
the
community,
those
com.
Those
complexes
were
largely
built
in
the
70s
and
80s
and
are
frankly
ugly,
so
this
more
contemporary
design,
I
think,
is
an
improvement
on
a
view
corridor.
R
That's
been
an
eyesore
for
many
years,
littered
with
office
vacant,
retail
and
r
d
buildings.
So
I'd
like
to
see
this
project
move
forward
to
expand,
affordable
housing
in
our
community,
especially
somebody
in
the
demographic
for
that
housing
development
and,
while
excuse
me,
traffic
concerns
are
warranted.
I
think
this
project
absolutely
needs
to
move
forward
and
the
only
other
concern
would
be
maybe
increasing
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units
from
50
to
something
else
that
the
balance
sheet
supports.
Thank
you,
and
I
appreciate
you
letting
me
speak
this
evening.
Thank.
B
You,
mr
francois,
next
up,
trenor
marchetti.
O
Yes,
sir,
can
you
guys
hear
me
okay,
we.
B
O
Excellent,
thank
you.
First
shout
out
to
lou.
We
work
in
the
same
building
so
good
to
hear
louisano
talk
on
the
topic.
I
just
want
to
say:
I'm
a
proud
thousand
oaks
resident.
I've
lived
here
14
years,
I'm
raising
my
kids
here.
I've
no
intentions
of
leaving.
We
we
love
it
here,
but
for
most
the
time
I've
been
here,
I've
driven
by
or
rid
my
bicycle
by
that
particular
location.
And
it's
it's
just
unfortunate.
O
O
Now
a
lot
of
folks
touched
on
the
housing
aspect,
and
I
I
don't
want
to
detract
from
the
credit
towards
that.
It
will
provide
a
number
of
forms
of
housing,
and
I
support
that
and
I
want
people
to
have
it
affordable
and
to
be
able
to
join
our
community,
but
also
just
if
this
project's
done
right.
These
developments
are
going
to
flourish
and
provide
a
one-stop
shop
for
all
sorts
of
stores
and
enjoyment,
and
this
would
also
be
a
modernization
addition
to
our
town.
O
O
I
just
think
this
type
of
project
will
help
teo
grow
and
it
will
help
enhance
this
town
and
currently,
as
it
stands,
this
lot
is
kind
of
like
a
billboard
for
a
defunct
business.
It's
really
not
doing
anything
for
us,
so
I'm
really
hoping
that
this
project
moves
forward
and
city
makes
the
best
of
it,
and
we
turn
something
right
now,
that's
an
eyesore
into
an
asset
and
basically
add
to
our
community.
R
Hi
betsy
connolly
here
I
am
a
30-year
plus
resident
of
thousand
oaks
and
a
12-year
trustee
of
the
canal
valley
unified
school
district.
But
tonight
I
speak
only
for
myself.
Many
of
our
cvusd
teachers
live
in
surrounding
communities
that
have
allowed
more
workforce
housing
to
be
built
well.
Over
half
of
the
people
who
work
in
thousand
oaks
live
elsewhere.
R
This
commuting
workforce
impacts,
traffic,
retail
and
restaurant
visits,
school
enrollment
and
many
other
aspects
of
civil
life.
We
need
more
workforce
housing
that
is
desirable
and
affordable
for
teachers,
police
officers,
hospital
workers
and
small
business
owners.
Last
I
have
been
volunteering
with
a
local
organization,
adelante
comunidad
conejo.
R
R
It's
clear
to
me
that
when
we
don't
allow
higher
density
projects,
people
who
want
to
live
here
find
other
ways
that
aren't
great
for
their
neighborhoods.
I
think
that
this
higher
density
project
will
help
to
address
the
affordable,
plus
desirable
housing
challenge
we
face
here
in
thousand
oaks.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
B
J
J
J
J
J
B
Man,
next
up
eric
trembley.
R
Hi
good
evening,
captain
members,
my
name,
is
eric
trembley,
I
didn't
prepare
anything.
I
figured
I'd
come
into
this
as
open-minded
as
possible
hearing
both
the
pros
and
the
cons
on
on
both
sides
and
really
I
just
have
a
lot
of
concerns
when
you
look
at
this
project
in
context
with
everything
else
that's
happening
here
in
the
new
great
park
and
thousand
oaks.
We've
we've
added
a
lot
of
projects
that
are
on
on
the
table
at
the
moment.
There's
been
a
lot
of
approval,
and
my
concerns
are
that
there
is
a
growing
trend
to
overs.
R
I
don't
want
to
say
overseas
but
to
to
look
beyond
the
rules
in
order
to
facilitate
some
of
these
projects,
and
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
all
these
variances.
The
hype
is
an
issue.
The
parking
is
an
issue
there's
no
mention
of
incentivizing
people
from
within
the
community
to
travel
to
this
location,
because
there
is
no
real
parking
for
other
people.
Even
the
people
in
the
residence
of
this
particular
site
don't
have
the
necessary
parking.
R
R
We
have
a
high
vacancy
rate,
and
so
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
if
they
were
to
remove
that
commercial
aspect
of
this
particular
property,
they
could
still
have
the
the
residential
needs
met
and
and
it
would
serve
to
lessen
the
height
of
the
building
as
well,
and
it
would
solve
some
of
the
parking
issues
and
some
of
the
it
would
mitigate
some
of
the
other
factors
that
we
have
at
issue
here
again.
R
The
trend
with
other
properties
such
as
the
cohan
lot
behind
albertson's
and
over
in
newberry
park,
is
that
the
city
is
willing
to
overlook
so
many
things,
just
for
the
sake
of
approving
arena
values
which,
at
this
rate,
to
get
10
20
of
overall
numbers,
is
just
not
sustainable
when
the
thousands
of
housing
that
we're
going
to
have
to
create
in
order
to
get
those
numbers
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
But
I
thank
you
for
hearing
me
out
and
I
hope
you
guys
make
good
decisions.
B
Thank
you,
mr
trembley.
Next
up
we
have
esther
and
we
don't
have
esther.
We
have
mary
ann
vanzile
on
the
phone.
D
D
I
think
it's
aesthetically
pleasing.
I
also
think
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
undertake
high
development
housing
and
we
haven't
had
that
in
the
past,
and
so
it
means
that
we're
unfamiliar
with
it
we're
unfamiliar
with
it
where
it
looks
like,
and
we
haven't
really
had
to
deal
with
it
before.
But
I
think
that
it
is
our
civic
duty
to
build
this
type
of
high-density
housing,
because
our
state
is
in
the
middle
of
a
housing
crisis.
R
Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
jose
garcia.
I
am
a
labor's
representative
for
the
labors
union,
ventura
local
585.
We
are
here
in
support
of
this
mixed-use
residential
housing
project.
R
R
In
a
time
where
the
labor
market's
bottom
has
fallen
out,
the
use
of
local
skilled
labor
provides
jobs
for
workers
that
pay
well
enough
to
sustain
a
family
as
an
added
benefit.
These
local
workers
will
spend
their
money
here
at
home,
providing
critically
needed
local
tax
dollars
to
local
governments
like
thousand
oaks
projects
like
the
hampshire
road
project
in
these
dire
economic
times
is
more
than
just
a
redevelopment
project.
It
is
also
an
economic
stimulus
program
for
the
city
and
regionally
there.
This
there
is
a
win-win
for
everybody
on
a
project
like
this.
R
R
Good
evening
council
amanda
rosenberg,
I,
along
with
my
husband
and
two
children
under
the
age
of
two,
are
homeowners
directly
behind
the
kmart
fight
on
foothill
drive.
We
moved
here
three
years
ago,
from
los
angeles
as
young
professionals,
with
the
intent
to
start
a
family
and
live
the
t.o
dream.
However,
that
dream
is
now
turning
into
a
nightmare
of
the
potential
of
this
proposed
project.
Please
vote
to
deny
this
zone
change.
R
Mr
contreras,
while
outlining
the
surrounding
areas,
you
completely
forgot
to
outline
all
of
the
homes
behind
the
proposed
site,
one
of
which
is
my
own
home
council.
There
are
wonderful
families
who
live
in
this
direct
area.
This
is
not
solely
an
industrial
neighborhood.
The
project
will
consist
of
459
walking
units.
Those
residents
will
absolutely
have
guests
and
where
will
all
those
guests
park?
There
are
only
42
guest
parking
spots
they
can
park
on
hampshire
as
it's
in
no
parking
zone,
so
they
will
inevitably
park
in
our
neighborhood
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
R
It's
concerning
that
the
developers
are
not
disclosing
the
exact
amount
of
the
rental
prices
and
the
reason
for
this
may
be
due
to
them
being
expensive.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
project
is
not
an
affordable
housing
project.
There's
only
32,
affordable
units
again
only
32,
affordable
units.
R
This
area
falls
under
the
zip
code
of
91361,
which
is
allows
for
interchangeable
use
of
either
thousand
oaks
or
westlake
village.
It
is
most
likely
the
developer
will
use
the
city
of
west
bank
village
for
marketing,
which
would
then
drive
up
their
rental
prices.
Any
individual
who
cannot
afford
to
buy
a
home
most
likely
will
not
be
able
to
rent
a
unit
at
this
proposed
bike.
I
hope
you're,
considering
what
the
emergency
response
will
be
in
an
unfortunate
scenario
like
woolvie.
This
area
is
meant
for
commercial.
R
However,
if
the
zone
changes
past,
we
are
now
taking
the
distributed
traffic
and
concentrating
it
in
residential
form,
which
would
mean
adding
900
or
more
cars
permanently.
If
there
is
a
fire,
how
are
we
all
going
to
get
out?
One
thing
that
we
should
have
learned
in
the
past
few
years
from
borderline
to
warby
to
covet
is
that
life
is
unexpected
and
we
should
try
to
prepare
ourselves
for
the
worst.
Thank.
K
Good
evening
josh
rosenbeck
hampshire,
I'm
a
homeowner
with
a
young
family
behind
the
kmart
site
on
foothill.
My
profession
is
commercial
construction,
in
los
angeles.
So
I'd
like
to
bring
to
light
some
major
issues
here.
This
site
is
a
flat
lot
with
utilities,
which
makes
it
profitable
for
any
investor,
including
if
someone
wanted
to
just
make
single
family
residents,
which
is
what
this
city
really
lacks,
don't
be
pulled
into
believing
high
density
459
unit
development
is
the
only
profitable
build
because
of
land
valuation.
K
It's
the
only
development
because
the
owner
wants
max
profits
and
our
planning
commission
is
behind
on
measure
e
quotas.
The
truth
is
high
density.
Zoning
will
allow
the
owner
to
sell
the
land
to
multi-billion
dollar
imc
capital
for
max
profits
through
a
combination
of
high
density
and
the
same
cheap
construction,
not
art
deco,
going
up
all
over
la
for
mixed-use
projects,
wood,
stud,
framing
skim,
skim,
coat
plaster
over
foam,
prefab
panels
and
unitized
windows.
K
Hello,
council
members,
my
name
is
patrick
du
ross,
I'm
a
long
time
resident
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
for
over
25
years
I
was
raised
here,
moved
away,
came
back
and
currently
raising
my
my
family
with
four
children,
I'm
also
a
commercial
real
estate
broker.
I
have
no
interest
in
this
property.
I
worked
predominantly
in
the
rancho
camino
district
and
have
been
responsible
for
working
with
much
of
the
businesses
back
there
in
the
business
community,
particularly
within
the
biotech
industry.
K
Much
of
that
in
which
the
camp
was
supported
with
the
biotech
cluster,
I
support
the
project
as
a
commercial,
real
estate.
Professional
I've
analyzed
this
site
in
particular.
Several
times
tried
to
find
ways
for
other
buyers
to
look
at
this
and
different
uses.
I
can
tell
you
with
a
deep
knowledge
that
this
type
of
use
is
the
type
of
use
that
we
need
and
the
only
economically
feasible
use
for
the
site
at
this
time.
K
K
As
someone
who
works
again
with
the
with
the
business
community,
I
can
tell
you
with
certainty
that
many
of
the
employers
and
employees
that
we
work
with
have
had
trouble
finding
housing
and
the
type
of
housing
that's
been
addressed
is
the
existing
housing
here.
Stock
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
is
not
appealing
to
the
people.
We
talked
to
I'm
a
38
year
old
and
I
don't
like
a
lot
of
the
multi-family
here.
That's
why
we
didn't
live
here
while
we
were
in
our
20.
K
Lastly,
as
a
resident,
I
feel
like
our
our
council
needs
to
be
fiscally
responsible
and
we're
in
an
environment
where
there's
a
lot
of
cities
that
are
struggling
and
we're
seeing
tax
dollars
go
away.
We're
seeing
a
lot
of
jobs
go,
the
biotech
industry
is
one
that
we
need
to
support
and
we
need
to
bring
those
those
employees
here
to
the
city,
a
thousand
outs
before
we
lose
and
forget
what
we
have.
Thank.
B
R
Well,
thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone,
my
name
is
chris
york.
I
live
in
thousand
oaks
and
I
would
like
to
see
you
deny
the
amendment
for
the
general
plan
for
this
project.
R
I
live
directly
to
the
west,
there's
about
a
hundred
of
us
that
live
here
and,
unlike
some
of
the
earlier
foreign
non-for-profit
groups,
we're
not
opposed
to
putting
something
in
there
residential
wise.
R
R
So
I
don't
know
where
the
concession
is
is
that
traffic
is
going
to
be
better
by
allowing
a
thousand
plus
cars
into
the
area.
We
just
want
to
see
something
come
in
reasonable
and
rational
that
we
can
all
live
with,
and
a
couple
of
other
concerns
the
ambient
lighting
from
that
property
and
the
effects
it
has
on.
You
know
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
the
wildlife
there's
there's
just
a
lot
more
to
consider
than
just
getting
rid
of
the
old
kmart
site,
and
with
that
I
thank
you
all
for
your
time.
G
Hello,
can
you
guys
hear
me
yes,.
B
O
All
right,
I
would
like
to
ask
that
you
please
vote
no
on
this
proposition.
This
proposal
is
extreme.
The
style
density,
lack
of
green
space,
lack
of
appropriate
setback,
size
and
intense
negative
impact
on
traffic
and
surrounding
community
is
beyond
what
we've
ever
seen
here.
The
city
needs
to
slow
down
with
these
extreme
proposals
and
designs.
O
We
should
see
how
some
of
the
developments
that
have
already
been
put
into
place
and
that
are
being
built
right
now
in
thousand
oaks
play
out
before
approving
more
please
slow
down
this
enor.
This
enormous
construction
boom
having
one
half
of
a
parking
space
per
person
is
unacceptable.
This
proposal
is
shockingly
out
of
character
with
our
city.
Please
vote.
No.
Thank
you.
O
O
So
I'm
just
asking
for
you
to
vote
no
on
this
proposal.
A
four-story
459
unit
compound
is
an
outrageous
proposal
for
this
site
and
I'm
shocked
that
the
council
will
dignify
it
with
a
pre-screening.
So
many
things
are
wrong.
With
this,
the
pre-screening
process
should
be
eliminated.
It
gives
developers
an
unfair
advantage.
O
And
also,
it
kind
of
feels,
like
they're
hanging
out
the
idea
that
this
is
somehow
affordable
housing
when
it
really
is
32
or
50
units
of
affordable
housing
and
then
probably
significantly
more
expensive,
less
affordable
apartments.
So
it
would
be
really
nice
if
they
could
build
on
the
site,
but
do
it
something
in
character
with
our
neighborhood.
O
It's
very
much
like
something
you
might
see
in
the
san
fernando
valley
and
say
this
is
a
really
nice
apartment,
complex
in
the
san
fernando
valley,
and
you
know
something
that's
this
tall,
even
though
it's
set
back
a
little
bit
from
the
street
at
its
four-story
height,
that's
a
bad
precedent,
for
I
mean
it's
basically
a
wall.
It
looks
like
a
giant
square
wall,
even
though
it's
kind
of
modern
and
there's
some
stuff
about
it.
They
did
that's
cool.
O
I
just
think
that
it
would
be
much
better
for
the
community
at
large
if
they
scaled
it
down
significantly,
and
so
I'm
asking
you
to
vote
this
proposal
down
and
consider
our
long-standing
codes
of
this
community.
That's
why
we
all
moved
here
in
the
first
place,
so
I
believe
at
the
very
least,
they
should
cut
the
project
significantly,
if
not
in
half,
just
as
some
of
the
council
members
have
mentioned
just
to
the
south
of
this,
the
other
considered
high
density
apartments
that
already
exist
are
half
the
number
of
apartments
on
an
acre.
R
Oh
great
good
evening,
folks,
I'm
glad
you're
there
to
listen
to
us
and
give
us
an
opportunity,
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
last
three
speakers
really
eloquent
and
what
they
were
saying,
and
I
agree
with
them.
R
I'd
like
to
see
this
project
revisited
in
another
manner
voted
down
for
the
way
it
stands,
the
people
that
are
for
it
you
know,
are
always
forward
until
they
have
to
actually
live
in
that
environment,
where
they're
dealing
with
the
traffic
and
they're
dealing
with
the
problems
that
go
with
overcrowding,
the
apartment
complexes
to
the
south
have
given
no
evidence
of.
R
R
Traffic,
when
you
get
down
to
the
issue
of
schools
and
finding
places
for
your
kids
to
go,
that's
a
huge
problem
that
you
know
cannot
be
addressed
in
two
minutes.
R
R
This
is
going
to
have
a
huge
impact
on
that
and,
like
I
said
with
the
previous
three
and
also
with
ms
parks,
who
I'm
glad
that
you
gave
her
a
chance
to
show
some
ideas
to
kind
of
open
up
people's
minds.
There's
other
ways
of
doing
this,
I
think
owner
occupied
residences
would
be
a
much
better
option
because
there
tends
to
be
less
problems
with
owner
occupied
or
strictly
commercial
get
off
the
freeway.
R
You
have
restaurants
or
other
things
that
are
enjoyable,
but
the
hours
are
more
constricted
and
you
don't
have
the
huge
you
know,
issues
with
overcrowding.
So
I
appreciate
you
listening.
Thank
you
very
much.
R
If
you
are
in
need
of
some
type
of
low-income
housing,
they
have
that
over
there
in
the
valley
they
have
that
over
the
hill
keep
thousand
oaks
the
way
it
is,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it.
This
this
town
does
not
lack
for
revenue,
so
please,
let's
not
make
it
about
the
money.
The
city
has
plenty
of
money.
The
place
looks
great,
our
streets
are
paved,
the
potholes
are
filled,
the
trees
are
blossoming,
the
telephone
lines
are
going
down
and
they're
under
the
ground.
R
B
R
R
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
as
I
was
saying,
these
guys
are
tools
for
this
company.
They
are
mouthpieces.
They
are
going
to
sit
there
and
they're
going
to
try
to
pretend
that
they've
done
all
this
research
with
the
company,
but
with
the
community.
I
heard
one
of
them
get
up
there
and
say:
oh
yeah,
we
haven't
involved
the
involvement
of
the
public.
We
we're
we're
already
involved,
we're
already
watching
you
don't
act
like
you
guys
are
going
to
get
us
involved
somewhere
else
down
the
road
we're
already
involved.
We
don't
need
this
here.
R
B
D
Hi
there,
hello
everyone,
my
name
is
lauren
whalen,
I'm
29
years
old.
I
was
raised
in
thousand
oaks
and
about
a
year
ago
I
moved
back
here
when
my
husband,
who
is
another
thousand
oaks
high
school
grad,
and
I
purchased
our
first
home
in
the
canal
oaks
area
of
south
milk.
This
presentation
this
evening
is
the
first
time
I
was
made
aware
of
this
project
and
I
wanted
to
share
my
thoughts
with
someone
of
what
I
believe
is
your
term
target
age
demographic.
D
I
heard
our
mayor
pro
tem
speak
earlier
in
the
broadcast
about
wanting
to
attract
younger
people
to
live
here,
which
I
certainly
agree
with.
My
husband
and
I
are
constantly
begging
our
friends
to
move
here,
and
many
of
them
are
concerned
about
returning
because
they
see
it
as
an
expensive
sleepy
town
where
our
parents
live,
and
there
just
isn't
much
for
us
here.
You
can
imagine
how
excited
we
were
for
tarantula
hill
brewery
to
open
up
down
the
street,
but
we
certainly
need
more,
and
this
sort
of
development
would
help.
D
College-Educated
young
people
see
2000
oaks
as
a
community
where
they'd
like
to
build
their
life.
I
absolutely
love
the
more
modern
clean
look
of
this
project.
I
love
the
mixed-use
concepts
I
like
that.
It
is
more
sustainable
as
many
dense
mix.
These
projects
are-
and
I
certainly
love
it
as
a
solution
for
this
building
and
lot
that
have
been
vacant
for
so
many
years.
D
I
hear
the
concern
that
there
is
already
housing
in
south
notes
that
is
available
and
it
just
needs
to
be
more
affordable,
and
I
certainly
don't
disagree
with
that,
but
I
do
feel
that
people,
my
age,
are
not
interested
in
living
in
a
dark
old
apartment
like
so
many
that
are
already
existing
in
our
community.
This
mixed-use
proposal
is
exactly
the
type
of
place
that
my
friends
and
I
would
want
to
spend
time
at
and
where
my
friends
and
peers
want
to
live.
D
L
Hi
mayor
thanks
for
taking
my
call
this
evening,
my.
K
Statement
here
is
going
to
be
pretty
brief,
and
really
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I
know,
given
that
there's
not
many
multi-family
homes
or
developments
in
the
area.
I
think
having
this
increase
in
stock
would
be
overall
just
great
for.
K
In
part
that
some
of
them
want
to
be
staying
in
this
area-
and
you
know,
the
lack
of
options
has
just.
L
R
K
Little
bit
more
challenging
for
that,
so
those
are
my
thoughts
again
thanks
for
taking
my
call-
and
that
concludes.
B
Thank
you
for
calling
in
angela
nardone.
D
Thank
you.
I
am
not
in
support
of
this
project,
as
is,
if
we're
going
to
approve
a
residential
project
on
the
site
and
several
changes
truly
need
to
be
made.
I
live
around
the
corner
and
foxmore
and
use
the
hampshire
exit
to
you
know
to
work
and
in
mornings
and
especially
afternoons,
the
hampshire
exits
come
extremely
congested
and
that's
without
these
450
units.
D
This
project
would
truly
necessitate
a
total
redesign
of
the
intersections
and
the
freeway
entry
and
exit
for
certain
this
should
be
voted
down
without
changes
to
the
off-ramp.
Second,
we
also
have
to
think
about
parking
because
as
design,
it's
extremely
insufficient,
that's
not
nearly
enough
parking.
I
think
we
require
more
in
single
family
housing
around
the
area.
Other
cities
in
ventura
county
have
grown
much
faster
than
thousands
because
of
high
density
projects
and
as
a
community.
I
think
we
have
to
be
cautious.
D
D
I
believe
that
the
400
plus
rent
control
units
would
create
high
density
in
our
area,
and
our
surrounding
cities
will
change
and
have
increase
in
traffic
and
much
more
families
often
do
choose
to
live
here
because
of
the
tranquility.
It
brings
and
appreciate
the
quiet
and
peaceful
nature
of
this
town.
We
hope
this
project
will
not
just
be
for
profit,
and
other
cities
will
have
be
changed
and
preserve
the
city
that
we
have
come
to
call
our
hometown
for
many
years
to
come.
Thank
you.
D
Oh
okay,
thank
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
susan
canavan,
I'm
55
years
old,
I'm
single
I
moved
here
in
1982,
my
parents
got
remarried
and
my
dad
came
out
here
to
to
manage
crown
court
and
seal
that
makes
the
budweiser
can
anyway
they're
both
gone
now,
and
I
don't
have
a
home
anymore,
family
home
after
they've
gone
passed
on
my
step,
brothers
and
sisters
came
in
from
pakistan
took
everything
and
left
me
out
on
the
street.
D
D
Also,
I've
been,
I
haven't,
been
able
to
do
my
profession,
which
I
have
kind
of
have
pampered.
Almost
everybody's
pet.
In
westlake
village
lake
sherwood
oak
park,
north
ranch
newbury
park,
I've
been
a
top
groomer
for
many
many
years
and
now
I'm
homeless.
I
have
not
been
getting
any
disability
whatsoever,
not
one
single
penny.
I
get
194
dollars
a
month,
I'm
living
on
with
only
food
stamps.
D
I
never
thought
I'd
be
in
this
position.
I
lived
in
thousand
oaks.
I
lived
in
westlake
as
being
a
single
mom.
My
daughter
went
to
red
oak
and
oak
park
and
then
she
went
to
white
oak
season.
B
B
Okay,
let
us
go
back
to
the
staff
if
you
would
have
any
responses
to
some
of
the
things
you
heard
and
then
we'll
see.
If
our
council
members
have
any
questions.
L
L
L
In
fact,
the
the
private
and
community
open
space
for
those
two
buildings
alone
is
a
total
of
about
one
and
a
half
acres,
and
it
includes
those
private
balconies
which
range
from
about
74
square
feet
to
about
720
square
feet
in
size,
so
some
quite
large,
some
more
modest,
but
it
also
includes
the
courtyards
and
the
sky
decks
in
terms
of
private
and
community
open
space.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
clarify
that.
L
L
There
was
a
comment
about
the
affordable
units
being
32.
I
believe
mr
coe
cohen
mentioned
that
the
applicant
is
now
proposing
50,
which
equates
to
about
14
of
the
the
base
number
of
units
and
that's
higher
than
other
projects
that
that
the
city
council
has
heard
recently
those
arranged
on
other
pre-screens
from
about
10
to
12
percent.
L
There
was
a
comment
that
the
city
needs
more
single-family,
detached
residences.
Overall,
the
city
has
actually
about
70
percent
of
its
housing
stock
and
single
family
detached
and
the
balance
in
condominiums
and
multi-family
apartments.
So
the
the
community
of
thousand
oaks
is
is
predominantly
single-family
detached
as
we
discuss
this
tonight.
L
L
If
the
city
did
not
have
this
pre-screened
process,
then
a
formal
act,
formal
application
could
have
been
filed
at
some
point
in
the
future.
Project
would
have
gone
through
the
process
and
council
would
have
seen
it
at
the
very
end
of
that
process
a
year
or
more
down
the
line
and
there's
much
better
to
hear
from
the
community
and
and
council
early
on.
M
M
However,
as
staff
does
further
analysis
through
the
formal
application
process,
that
is,
if
there
is
the
allocation
approved
tonight,
staff
would
require
technical
studies
such
as
photometric
plans,
and
that
would
demonstrate
the
light
impacts
and
also
there
are.
There
are
other
mechanisms
that
would
be
incorporated
into
the
project
that
would
provide
for
downward
shielded
lighting
and
to
reduce
other
light
impacts
from
the
proposed
project.
M
Another
comment
that
was
provided
and
our
traffic
staff
could
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
more
in
detail,
but
it
was
regarding
the
traffic
impacts
as
a
result
of
the
project
and
again
that
would
be
an
analysis
done
further
down
the
line
requiring
that
the
applicant
provide
traffic
and
parking
impact
analysis
for
the
proposed
project
at
a
later
date.
F
F
B
Don't
we,
let's
have
the
applicant,
do
their
five-minute
rebuttal,
okay,.
G
B
And
then
you
may
question
them,
but
in
the
meantime,
are
there
questions
for
staff
from
councilmember,
anger
or
jones.
B
All
right,
very
good
and
the
applicant
does
have
a
five-minute
period
here
for
rebuttal.
So
would
that
be,
mr
cohen?
I
believe.
P
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I'm
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
tasoriaro
to
to
comment
but
to
help
close
this,
but
I
do
have
two
things
I
want
to
say.
P
P
We
also
heard
some
positive
public
sentiment
about
where
the
direction
that
we're
heading,
so
that
that
gives
me
some
a
good
sense
that
we
are
are
looking
in
the
right
way,
but
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
our
outreach.
P
We
took
copious
notes
all
of
the
whole
team
and
we'll
be
back
if
you
guys
do
allow
us
to
move
this
pre-screen
forward.
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
suryaro.
Q
Q
Q
I
am
also
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
I've
been
very
fortunate
to
build
projects
in
seven
different
states,
but
this
is
a
very
important
project
to
me
myself.
My
family
friends
will
be
going
by
this
project.
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
I
believe
mayor
pro
tem
had
a
question.
F
Yes,
thank
you.
I
had
a
question
from
mr
mccloskey
about
the
one
rendering
that
I
had
requested
last
week
regarding
the
silhouetting
that
kmart
and
I'm
wondering
whether
that
rendering
was
at
all
available.
It's
one
of
two
that
I
requested,
but
the
one
from
the
freeway
view,
apparently
wasn't
ready.
N
Yet
yeah
we're
still
working
on
preparing
these
exhibits.
We
don't
have
anything
completed
yet,
but
we
do
have
side-by-side
views
of
the
project
from
both
foothill
and
from
hampshire,
not
superimposed.
Yet
we
don't
have
a
completed
overlay,
a
document
that
adequately
shows
those
two
in
one
image,
but
we
do
have
side-by-side
images
of
the
before
and
after
kmart
site
and
the
proposed
project.
If
that's
helpful,
to
share
at
this
time
it
would
be
yes.
N
N
So
slide.
23
is
a
view
from
up
on
foothill
that
we
used
an
existing
photography
example
on
the
top
here,
showing
the
roof
of
the
existing
kmart
building,
and
what
that
looks
like
compared
to
the
proposed
development,
which
would
sit
basically
right
at
the
same
footprint
about
30
feet
away
from
the
base
of
the
retaining
wall.
So
we've
got
some
slope
from
this
guardrail
down,
there's
a
hillside
that
goes
down
and
then
there's
a
retaining
wall
that
has
more
or
less
a
vertical
wall
in
place.
N
That's
21
feet,
and
then
this
building
exists
there
right
now
and
then
at
the
bottom
view,
you
can
get
a
sense
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
take.
What's
a
large
big
box
and
try
and
open
it
up
by
creating
smaller,
lower
density,
townhomes
on
this
side
of
the
site
and
create
opportunities
to
create
openings
from
the
front
to
the
back
west
to
the
east.
Create
view
corridors
out
towards
hampshire,
create
more
connectivity
visually
and
certainly
replace,
what's
primarily,
a
parking
lot
and
a
large
box
with
smaller
architecture
and.
N
Some
of
the
pedestrian
pathways
and
main
frontage
street
that
you
see
in
the
middle
of
this
shop
on
the
next
slide
24.
This
is
from
essentially
right
behind
the
freddies.
It's
a
shot.
Looking
from
the
essentially
the
future
side
of
where
we're
proposing
the
public
dog
park.
This
would
be
looking
north
from
the
dog
park
towards
the
mixed
use,
building
on
the
right
and
the
three-story
town
homes
on
the
left-
and
this
is
the
the
foreground
of
that
shot,
where
we
imagine
this
really
being
an
opportunity
for
residents
to
bring
their
pets.
N
N
This
is
a
view
from
hampshire
that
shows
that
the
kmart,
in
the
background,
that's
a
few
hundred
feet
back
with
the
parking
lot
in
front
and
what
we're
proposing
is
to
bring
the
architecture
forward
and
have
it
more
engaging
into
the
the
public
streets.
N
B
All
right,
yeah
slide
23
was
the
one
that
I
was
going
to
request,
because
I
think
it
shows
that
the
view
from
foothills
not
obscured
from
standing
up
there.
But
I
think
and
correct
me
from
mayor
pro
tem
you're
asking
for
a
slide.
That
would
show
a
view
of
the
project
from
the
101
freeway.
Is
that
correct.
F
B
Q
So
we
have
a
mix
of
units,
we
have
the
studios
which
that
are
approximately
510
square
feet.
We
have
one
bedrooms
that
are
700
square
feet,
two
bedrooms
about
1
240
square
feet.
We
have
three
bedroom
townhouses,
which
are
just
a
little
over
2
000
square
feet
and
the
four
bedrooms
that
are
around
21.50
right
now
in
the
neighborhood,
and
these
are
current
rents,
not
future
rents
that
we're
talking
about
they
average
about
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents.
Q
Now
your
singles
are
going
to
be
a
little
higher
per
square
foot
versus
your
larger
units.
So
in
today's
marketplace
we're
seeing
that
the
studios
are
probably
going
to
be
in
the
sixteen
hundred
dollar
range
and
then
the
two,
the
one
bedroom's
about
21.50,
the
two.
The
two
bedrooms
are
gonna,
be
about
2700.
Q
The
three
bedrooms
are
about
thirty
five
hundred
dollars
and
the
four
bedrooms
are
about
four
thousand
dollars.
To
give
you
a
comparison.
Q
There's
a
new
project
or
a
newer
project,
40
units
at
77,
north
canelo
school
road,
a
two-bedroom
unit
over
there
currently,
which
is
eleven
hundred
and
sixty
square
feet,
is
running
for
two
thousand.
Eight
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
square
foot
our
250
dollars
to
2.
I
Q
And
fifty
dollars
unit
per
month
and
how.
Q
Project
originally,
our
proposal
was
for
32,
but
we
have
gone
back
after
you
know,
conversations
with
staff
and
have
decided
to
move
that
up
to
50,
affordable
units.
C
And
could
you
go
through
that
list
of
what
size
would
the
affordables?
Would
they
all
be
studios
or
what.
K
To
the
the
mix
that
you're
you're
building,
so
I
haven't
done
the
actual
well,
I
may
have
it,
but
if
you're
building,
let's
just
say,
10
studios,
then
10
of
your
very
low
need
to
be
studios.
If
you
have
two
bedrooms
and
whatever
percentage
of
two
bedrooms,
you
have
you
do
a
proportionate
share
of
those
two
bedrooms
as
how.
K
Yeah
one
bedroom
is
currently
1046.
A
two-bedroom
is
at
1178.
G
And
I
think,
just
if
I
can
chime
in
councilmember
jones
as
well,
it
would
depend
on
the
final
proposal.
The
total
number
of
unit
counts
and
the
break
between
studio.
One
bedroom,
two
bedroom,
three
bedroom
four
bedroom-
would
dictate
how
the
spread
of
those
units
would
would
flow
so
without
a
an
actual
submittal
or
proposal
that
calculation
is
can't
be
done.
Yet
it's
just
estimating.
C
I
don't
know
what
the
average
person
could
afford
in
thousands.
We've
heard
people
tonight
speaking
in
favor
of
the
project,
and
I
don't
know
what
price
range
they
you
know
that
they
thought
they
could
handle.
C
B
B
Q
B
Okay,
very
good
now
well
as
long
as
there's
no
further
questions.
B
F
N
So
the
I
don't
know
if
I'm
muted
or
not,
but
the
parking
that's
provided
for
the
project
is
provided
above
and
beyond
what
the
state
law
requires.
So
the
density
bonus
parking
requires
two
parking
spaces
for
a
two-bedroom
and
above
and
one
parking
space
for
a
one,
bedroom
or
smaller
and
based
on
our
unit
mix.
N
That
would
be
an
average
of
I
think,
we're
right
around
one
and
a
half
per
unit,
and
I
think
in
the
staff
report
carlos
has
called
out
the
required
parking
and
then
the
provided,
but
I
believe
we're
providing
well
over
the
density
bonus
required
parking
density.
Bonus
also
doesn't
require
any
guest
parking,
but
we
believe
it's
critical
to
the
project
and
it's
critical
to
the
neighborhood
and
the
surroundings.
N
We
can't
you
know,
really
go
ahead
and
provide
public
space
for
people
to
come
and
and
utilize
things
like
the
dog
park
without
providing
parking
spaces
for
that.
So,
even
though
it's
not
required
by
the
density
bonus
law,
we're
providing
it
because
we
just
believe
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
it's
a
good
benefit
to
the
residents
to
their
friends
and
family
that
might
be
visiting
the
project
as
well.
So
the
the
project
has,
in
addition
to
the
resident
parking,
that's
in
each
of
the
town
homes.
C
C
K
It
at
this
time
because
we're
you
know
we're
still
at
the
pre-screening
process,
and
I
know
that
we
will
be
going
through
a
full
environmental
impact
report
studying
these
different
things,
such
as
traffic.
So
plus
it
wasn't,
you
know,
as
of
recently,
it's
not
even
a
feasible
time
to
do
a
traffic
study
because
nobody's
traveling
outside
their
home.
C
Well,
I
understand
that,
but
we
won't
be
in
this
time
ever
and
I'm
just
wondering
about
the
impact
on
that
goes
on
and
off
ramps
at
hampshire
and
the
freeway.
I
it
you
know
it's
a
substandard
situation
there.
Now
there
aren't
enough
lanes
going
into
that
bridge
and
I
just
wonder
if
everybody's
going
to
work
at
the
same
time
and
they
all
go
down
to
the
freeway
I'd
like
to
see
a
study
on
what
that
would
do.
B
B
All
right
any
further
questions,
because
if
not
the
applicant
actually
has
a
couple
of
minutes
left
for
rebuttal.
So
if
you'd
like
to
finish
your
remarks
and
close
this
out,
then
we'll
go
to
council
discussion.
P
This
is
tom
cohen.
I
just
like
to
say
that
we
would
deeply
appreciate
your
support
to
continue
this
dialogue
shape
this
project
moving
forward.
We've
got
the
right
company
at
the
right
time
with
the
history
of
listening,
adapting
and
and
making
it
happen
with
that.
John.
Unless
you
have
something
else
to
add,
I
think
this
will
conclude
our
rebuttal.
Q
Nothing
to
add
to
it
other
than
as
you've
said
I
mean
a
lot
of
things
will
be
answered,
questions
that
will
come
up
from
council
and
we'll
be
happy
to
provide
any
type
of
renderings
drawings
traffic
studies
to
analyze
this
project
going
in
the
future.
B
B
The
younger
generation
voice,
in
my
opinion,
is
essential
and
we
heard
it
tonight
whether
you
agree
or
not,
they
were
there
and
I
think
that's
a
really
a
breath
of
fresh
air,
and
I
will
just
say
that,
from
my
vantage
point
I
feel
like
tonight
we're
we're
voting
more
on
a
on
a
process
than
than
we
really
are
on
a
referendum
on
on
a
project.
B
You
know
this
prescreening
process
was
approved
back
in
2018
by
a
5-0
vote.
I
believe
mayor
pretended
pena
was
there
at
the
time,
as
was
I
and
it
it's
a
it's
amazing
process
that
it
allows
public
comment.
City
council
comment,
direct
conversation
with
the
project
builder
all
before
the
project
really
has
even
gotten
off
the
ground.
So
it's
a
very
transparent
process
that
I
think
is
is
very
valuable
and
I
just
happen
to
remember.
The
acorn
agrees
with
us
if
you're
there
kyle
you,
you
mentioned
that
you
meant
to
that.
B
This
process
is
meant
to
encourage
transparency
and
public
discourse,
and
I
think
that's
exactly
what's
happened
tonight
now,
of
course,
the
allocation
units
does
not
necessarily
guarantee
a
final
approval
of
the
project
and
these
development
concepts
will
be
modified
and
I
think
from
what
I
hear
tonight,
the
project
builder
is
very
amenable
and
listening
very
acutely
to
the
comments
from
not
only
the
public
speakers
but
from
the
council
members
as
well,
and
when
I
look
forward
if
this
project
does
move
on,
there's
it's
a
very
rigorous
process
that
they
will
be
put
through
from
a
specific
plan
to
working
with
staff
to
appearing
before
the
economic
development
committee
of
which
mayor
mayor
protest,
le
pena
and
myself
are
members
of
at
most
probably
an
eir,
the
planning
commission
and
finally,
back
to
the
city
council.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
hurdles
to
overcome
to
get
this
project
to
be
to
be
right
for
everybody
concerned.
So
that's
just
my
initial
comments.
Let
us
hear
from
the
rest
of
my
fellow
council
members
who
would
like
to
go.
First,.
F
Thank
you
when
we
heard
the
299
project,
I
forget
when
it
was
two
years
ago
or
so
we
it
went,
did
that
one
go
through
a
pre-screening.
F
L
The
the
project
at
the
pre-screen.
L
Had
less
public
space,
as
I
recall,
less
areas,
patios,
etc,
open
to
the
public,
the
the
applicant
enlarged
that
going
forward,
they
added
a
public
sitting
area,
seating
area
right
near
the
driveway
entrance
off
of
thousands
boulevard.
F
L
The
number
of
units
did
stay
approximately
142.
I
think
that
was
the
original
number.
The
architecture
was
refined,
going
forward
to
provide
even
more
detail
and
and
more
rich
materials,
but
the
number
of
units,
as
I
recall,
stayed
approximately
the
same.
G
I
think
one
additional
piece,
mr
town,
as
we
went
through
those
dialogues
and
discussions,
because
I
remember
being
there
for
part
of
those.
Certainly
the
frontage
was-
was
a
significant
component
of
the
discussion
and
softening
and
setting
back
and
modifying
the
frontage
was
a
big
part
of
it.
I
think
the
other
challenge
from
from
being
there
in
those
discussions
is
as
mayor
pro
tem
just
mentioned.
It
was
a
smaller
site.
The
three
acre
site
provides
less
smaller
sites,
generally
provide
less
flexibility
in
the
long
run.
G
B
So
a
development
agreement
can
give
us
some
benefits
in
addition
to
the
project
itself,
and
that
may
well
be
something
that
we
can
carve
out
with
this
particular
project
that
we're
looking
at
right
now,
whether
it
would
be
contributions
to
our
open
space
contributions
to
affordable
housing,
traffic
modifications,
you
name,
it
there's
a
whole
list
and
that's
the
power
of
a
development
agreement
and
that's
something
that
would
be
out
there
in
the
future
for
us
to
to
hopefully
carve
out
for
the
benefit
of
the
city.
F
G
Yeah
that
one
actually
never
even
came
came
forward
to
full
submittal
and
they,
I
think
they
may
have
come
in
and
pre-opped,
and
the
project
ended
up
running
into
a
number
of
of
hurdles
there
that
were
challenges
laid
out
by
staff
during
that
process,
most
namely
circulation.
If
I
remember
correctly-
and
traffic
traffic
in
and
out.
F
F
Okay,
these
the
apartment
units
are
complex
complexes
surrounding
it,
a
half,
as
was
stated
earlier,
a
density
of
no
more
than
21
acre
21
units
per
acre,
mr
town.
B
Would
you
and
I
I
don't
exactly
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
would
you
care
to
continue
to
your
discussion
with
the
the
three
council
members
here
tonight?
Well,
yes,.
F
Yeah,
certainly
I
certainly
I
could
have
asked
a
question
earlier,
but
as
I
am
still
thinking
about
it,
I
have
not
formulated
anything
yet
so
I'm
thinking
out
loud-
and
it
is
the
largest
really
mixed
use
project,
it's
a
historic
project,
so
hopefully
the
applicant
would
be
able
to
respond.
F
Whether
there
would
be
a
need
for
all
of
the
units
that
are
being
out,
that
would
be
that
are
being
requested
tonight,
which
is
30
units
per
acre
and
we
have
11.79
acres.
So
that's
352
units.
B
P
Mr
mayor,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
question
mayor
protest.
P
The
project
at
353
units
is
30
units
to
the
acre,
which
is
permitted
under
the
general
plan
that
is
the
highest,
that
is,
the
high
high
density
range
allowed.
So
we're
not
proposing
anything.
That's
out
of
out
of
sync
with
the
general
plan.
P
P
Those
projects
all
have
surface
parking,
and
so
their
parking
fields
are
spread
out,
which
has
an
artificial
impact
on
the
ultimate
density
of
those
of
those
projects.
Our
project
is
parked
almost
entirely
subterranean,
so
we
don't
have
parking
fields.
P
Well,
we
have
a
lot
of
open
green
space
available
to
the
public,
a
lot
of
amenities
that
that
will
serve
the
greater
good
of
the
community
as
well
as
this
development,
and
so
I
don't
think
it's
tough
to
do
to
compare
apples
to
apples
here
because
yeah
the
designs
of
these
projects,
the
the
ones
to
the
south
and
and
every
apartment
project.
In
the
city,
for
that
matter,
those
those
densities
were
squeezed
based
on
those
kinds
of
because
of
the
parking
fields.
P
Primarily,
I
think
that
is
a
fair
statement
of
fact.
I
Could
also
add
remember
for
the
allocation
tonight.
The
number
of
units
is
based
on
the
maximum
density
in
the
land.
Use
me
in
the
in
the
general
plan,
so
you'll
recall
the
pinecrest
project
had
a
density
that
was
allocated
to
them.
However,
they
didn't
intend
on
using
all
those
units.
So,
regardless
of
what
the
actual
unit
count
is,
it
cannot
be
more
than
what
is
allocated,
but
it
can
certainly
be
less.
B
All
right
council
member
angler,
I
believe
you
have
a
comment.
H
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you
very
much
just
in
terms
of
discussion
about
this,
this
project,
as
we
always
do,
and
all
of
us
did
it-
we
go
to
the
location
and
we
take
a
look,
try
to
figure
out
what
we're
seeing
and
how
we're
going
to
go
about
thinking
about
it.
As
I
was
over
there
the
other
day,
it's
been
15
years
since
that
location
went
vacant
and
it's
been
a
number
of
years.
I
want
to
say
10
years
or
so,
since
the
home
depot
site
was
turned
down.
H
I
don't
think
anybody
in
those
days
thought
that
here
we
are
10.
15
years
later,
still
talking
about
a
vacant
property
that
by
all
rights
should
have
been
developed
sometime
earlier,
along
with
that,
the
the
council
is
has
has
assigned
me
to
be
the
representative
to
the
california
league
of
cities.
H
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
like
to
to
to
cry
afraid
of
the
state,
but
I
don't
know
what's
going
to
be
what
types
of
things
we're
going
to
be
looking
at,
say:
10
15
years
from
now,
if
we
don't
try
to
take
what
we
have
now
and
develop
it
into
something
that
is
good
for
the
city
and
good
for
our
our
citizens.
H
H
H
The
set
aside,
the
aesthetics
of
it,
some
of
the
younger
people,
seem
to
like
it
other
other.
Those
of
us
like
the
way
thousand
oaks
is,
but
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
make
a
very
nice
gateway
project
the
risks
the
traffic
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
risk,
but
I
would
not
want
to
see
us
pass
by
what
appears
to
be
a
very
qualified
and
worthy
developer
for
that
project.
H
This
developer
is
willing
to
come
in,
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
make
a
nice
gateway
for
us
and
on
part
of
it
also
is.
We
will
be
getting
a
substantial
number
of
affordable
housing
units
which
is
important
to
me
embedded
into
the
project.
Without
any
difference,
no
one
will
know
who
has
got
in
an
affordable
housing.
Who
is
those
are
important
things
to
me
in
terms
in
terms
of
what
I
see
us
doing
tonight?
H
It's
really
a
simple
question:
do
we
want
that
pro
that
property
to
remain
commercial
or
do
we
want
to
become
a
residential
mixed
use,
location
and
that
that's
really
our
decision,
and
I
would
I
would
I
would,
if
you
want
to
if
you
want
to
motion
mr
mayor
I'd,
be
happy
to
make
a
motion
just
to
get
things
going.
H
But
I
for
one
after
listening
to
everybody
tonight-
and
I
agree
with
you-
100-
that
the
input
from
all
of
our
citizens
was
very
valuable
and
very
helpful
to
me
to
help
make
me
make
a
decision
tonight.
But
if,
if
you
would
entertain
a
motion,
I
would
move
that
we
would
go
with
option
number
one
which
is
to
you
know
a
lot,
the
353
units
and
also
go
for
the
change
of
zoning
to
a
residential
mix.
Use.
F
M
I
will
get
it
up
for
you
in
just
one
minute.
Thank
you.
B
B
F
And
then
that's
yeah,
oh,
you
can
go
to
that
one!
That's
the
other
one!
That's
being
finished
right
now
on
kaneho
school
road.
That's
not
quite
that's
not
occupied!
Yet
go
back
to
the
avalon
with
a
facade
the
stone
facade
and
do
you
have
the
one
from
santa
barbara
too.
B
Well,
while
he's
pulling
that
up,
would
you
care
to
expound
on
the
reason.
F
F
The
other
question
that
already
posed
earlier
in
the
evening
is
the
height
limit.
A
specific
plan
is
possible,
it's
made
so
that
it
can
be
customized
to
each
or
for
each
development
proposal
and
certainly
trying
to
also
issue
waivers
with
that
are
usually
that
are
available
through
the
city
in
terms
of
building
standards.
F
I,
given
that
we
have
received
feedback
from
people
that
really
like
this,
but
also
my
inbox
today
was
filled
with
emails
from
from
westlake
that
were
really
opposed
to
this,
and
you
heard
some
of
them
tonight,
not
sure
if
other
council
members
in
boxes
were
filled
like
mine
was,
but
certainly
many
people
have
serious
concerns
about
the
building
height
and
the
massing
of
the
buildings.
I
mentioned
that
earlier,
and
I
want
to
hear
from
the
applicant
tonight
whether
he
can
absolutely
guarantee
that
the
building
height
can
be
kept
at
35
feet
for
this
project.
B
Well,
if
I
may
not
to
get
off
your
point
about
the
height,
but
as
far
as
the
architecture
goes,
I
suppose
it's.
B
The
beauty
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder
tarantula
hill,
which
is
by
any
means
contemporary
architecture
and
which
also
is
in
a
very
prominent
spot
in
the
city
has
been
very
well
received
and
in
fact,
young
people
and
and
older
people
flocked
to
the
place,
and
I
think
you
heard
tonight
there
were
a
number
of
young
people
that
felt
that
the
architecture
was
actually
very
appealing
and
they
were
not
at
all
liking.
F
B
F
Tarantula
hill
can't
be
seen
from
the
freeway.
This
one
will
be
seen
from
the
freeway.
This
one
is
a
prominent
gateway
to
our
city
to
the.
B
City,
like
I
said,
architecture's
subjective,
but
which,
which
also
brings
me
to
the
point
that
councilmember
engler
made
about
subjectivity
versus
objectivity.
It
won't
be
in
the
not
too
distant
future
that
we
will
be
held
to
objective
building
standards,
and
we
will
not
be
able
to
inject
subjective
feelings
such
as
you
know,
character
or.
B
Timeless
architecture
or
or
excessive
density
that
just
won't
be
accepted
anymore,
we
will
be
held
to
rigorous
standards
and
it
will
be,
and
builders
will
almost
be
able
to
build
anything
by
right,
and
that
is
that
is
the
law.
But
we
are
in
this
little
window
right
now,
where
we
can
work
with
a
builder
to
hopefully
massage
the
project
that
will,
you
know,
be
to
the
liking
of
this
of
this
council.
F
And
that
particular
building
really
does
not
look
like
thousand
oaks
at
all
it.
It
simply
does
not.
It
is
a
prominent
building
that
can
certainly
be
softened.
The
architecture
can
be
softened,
and
I
understand
that
young
people
want
to
see
something
else,
but
that's
not
all
young
people
and
we
have
another
similar
project
that
is
299.,
that
one
is
hidden.
You
only
see
the
front
this
one.
F
F
So
of
course,
it
is
important
for
me
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
stand
out
in
a
way
that
really
is
not
in
keeping
with
surrounding
neighborhoods.
So
we
have
certain
standards,
we
do
have
building
codes
and
so
yeah,
it's
it's
not
all
subjective.
It's
also
objective
the
s.
This
is
something
that
is
normally
not
built
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
so
there
have
to
be
objective
standards
for
this.
D
F
Now,
with
a
54
foot,
height
53.5
and
the
step
back
is
is
just
not
something
that
we
have
seen,
I'm
not
afraid
of
change.
Absolutely
not
in
fact,
I'm
glad
that.
Finally,
we
were
getting
something
to
look
at
after
after
10
15
years,
but
it's
got
a
it's
got
to
be
pleasing
to
the
eye.
It's
got
to
be
accepted
by
the
the
neighborhoods,
and
you
know,
and
I'm
sure
the
developer
will
work
with
the
neighbors.
B
This
is
the
beauty
of
the
pre-screen
process,
because
the
concerns
that
you
are
bringing
forth
are
are
being
heard
and
noted.
But
let
us
if
the
if
the
builder
would
like
to
get
back
on
again.
H
I
I
I
really
appreciate
what
council
member
billy
le
pena
is
bringing
forward
and
part
of
what
we
are
here
tonight
for
is
to
give
exactly
that
feedback
to
the
applicant,
and
I
think
that
between
the
council
and
between
members
of
the
public,
that
message
has
been
delivered
to
them
loud
and
clear
that
that
we
we
want
to
see
a
good
quality
project
that
is
consistent
with
thousand
oaks.
H
B
Well,
I
would
have
to
agree
with
that.
I
mean
to
me
a
no
vote
at
this
early
stage
of
the
process.
You'd
be
basically
saying,
there's
no
merit
whatsoever
to
this
project,
and
I
think
I
think
there
is
merit.
I
think
that
is
it
a
perfect
project.
Probably
not.
Is
there
room
for
improvement?
Yes,
would
we
want
to
cut
it
off
at
this
early
stage?
B
I
don't
think
that
would
be
good
sense.
We
have
a
project
here
with
a
with
a
developer
in
a
in
an
economy
that
is
faltering
in
an
economy
where
the
governor
just
stated
that
the
california
was
going
to
have
a
54
billion
dollar
deficit
in
an
economy
where
our
sales
tax
is
dropping
our
transit
option,
occupancy
tax
is
dropping.
Our
property
tax
is
dropping
we're
looking
at
unemployment
of
20
to
25
percent.
B
B
Okay
and
and
who's
up
I'll.
P
Respond
unless
john
or
anybody
else
on
the
thing
all
right,
mr
cohen,
so
I
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things
you
know
we
have
heard
the
feedback
from
councilman
jones.
We've
heard
the
feedback
from
bill
pena
the
community
we're
taking
that
to
heart.
We
will
be
looking
at
all
these
issues,
including
massing
and
building.
We
understand
and
we
understand
your
comment
about
compatibility,
but
it
would
be
really.
P
I'm
not
sure
the
right
word,
but
I
think
it's
premature
for
us
to
say
we're
sticking
to
a
certain
building
height,
especially
now,
when
we've
designed
a
project
that,
as
you
see
it
today
and
obviously
we
need
to
take
in
a
deep
thought
what
you've
put
out
there.
We
need
to
talk
to
city
staff
about
how
we
get
there.
P
It
significantly
changes
if
we
had
to
limit
building
height
to
a
certain
number.
It
would
significantly
change
a
lot
of
the
project
benefits
that
we
have,
and
so
that
that
all
has
to
be
put
into
a
into
the
mix,
and
we've
got
to
put
some
serious
thought
into
this
and
and
just
tonight
to
commit
to
35
feet
41
feet
27,
whatever
the
number
is
it
really
hamstrings
our
ability
to
be
creative,
it
and
and
we've.
P
You
know
we
do
have
to
understand
the
economics
of
this
project
as
and
we
hope
that
you
do
too,
although
I
know
that's
not
necessarily
a
criteria
here,
but
it's
it's
a
it's
such
a
significant
project,
an
important
project
for
imt
that
we're
going
to
take
all
this
feedback.
P
We're
not
we're
not.
You
know
we're
a
long
way
off,
taking
all
this
feedback
now
to
come
back
with
something
that
we
can
share
with
you.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
are,
are
going
to
move
this
through
any
kind
of
a
committee
process,
but
we
we
want
to
make
sure
you're
fully
on
board
and
invested
in
this
project
as
we
are
so
but
to
commit
to
a
35-foot
height
limit
really
is,
I
think,
shortchanges
the
project.
I
think
it
shortchanges
the
community
and
the
needs
that
we're
hearing
about.
P
So
I
I
would
ask
john,
if
you
disagree
with
my
my
thoughts
here
since
this
is
you
know
this
is
imt's
project,
but
these
are
my
reactions.
Q
I
just
like
thoughts,
you
know,
you
know
we
definitely
listened
to
staff
as
we
went
through
the
design
phases
to
have
less
density
in
the
back
of
the
project,
more
open
space.
Q
So
that's
why
we
push
the
density
to
the
front
of
the
property
to
keep
the
townhomes
in
the
back
of
the
project,
so
I
mean
we're
we're
open
and
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
is
as
we
move
through
this
with
staff
and
council
come
up
with
some
designs
and
have
you
review
them
and
make
decisions
as
we
go
through
this
process,
we
took
all
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
staff.
We
designed
the
building.
Q
We
sat
down
multiple
times
over
the
last
almost
two
years
and
kept
changing
the
project
to
you
know,
get
it
to
a
point
where
staff
was
happy
to
bring
it
forward
and
we'll
keep
doing
the
same
until
we
get
it
right
but
to
commit
tonight
to
35
feet.
We
just
don't
know
what
that
means.
We
don't
know
how
many
units
that
is
going
to
bring
down
the
project.
We
don't
know
how
that
affects
the
overall.
What
we
can
do
for
affordable
housing
on
the
project?
Q
I
I
think
the
the
best
thing
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
is
have
the
time
spend
the
money
create
the
renderings,
create
the
drawings,
show
it
to
staff,
show
it
to
council
and
work
through
this
process
over
the
next
year
to
a
point
that
we
can
get
the
council
comfortable
with
the
project.
We
can
get
the
community
comfortable
with
the
project
and
we
provide
a
great
gateway
project
in
2000
oaks.
P
F
P
F
Thank
you,
tom,
and
thank
you,
john.
At
the
beginning
of
this
hearing
or
this
meeting
I
was
asking
about
the
35
foot
building
height
and
you
mentioned
that
yes
you're
willing
to
work
with
us,
so
I
took
that
to
mean
that
you
would
be
amenable
to
235
feet
and
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that.
P
We're
amenable
to
studying
this,
I
I
don't
think
we
we
can't
commit,
because
it
there's
just
so
many
unknowns
now,
based
on
what
we're
hearing
tonight,
that
we
have
to
come
back
and
and
and
show
you
what
we
think
can
work
and
to
stick
with
a
an
artificial
limit
like
that
is,
is
really
a
hamstrings,
our
creativity
and
I-
and
I
think
we
can
come
back
with
something
you'll
be
you'll,
be
happy
with.
We
just
need.
P
We
need
to
embrace
the
idea
that
this
is
a
process
and
that
let
the
process
work,
but
we've
got
to
get
the
green
light
to
move
it
forward.
P
I
know
that's
and
that's
not
accepting
anything
that
we've
shown
you
tonight
other
than
what
the
quality
is
that
we
can
produce.
We,
I
think
it's
agreed,
that
residential
is
what
makes
sense
on
this
property
with
retail.
Maybe
that's
still
to
be
determined.
F
Yeah
you
had
you
had
so
many
people
tonight,
speaking
in
favor
of
the
project
from
all
over
the
place
and
the
people
that
are
really
most
impacted
by
this.
They
they
came
out
in
in
in
opposition.
F
So
I
I
I'm
saying
what
I
think
I'm
saying
is
that
I
wish
you
had
reached
out
to
the
community
more
widely
that
are
going
to
be
impacted
directly
by
this,
and
I'm
not
sure.
I
guess
you
wanted
to
wait
until
after
this
hurdle
or
the
first
step
before
doing
that,
but
I
wonder
whether
it
would
have
been
better
just
engaging
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
right
away
rather
than
after
this
first
phase
or
this
first
step.
Well,
we.
P
Did
have
some
little,
we
did
have
some
outreach,
not
to
the
not
to
the
degree
that
you
would
typically
find
once
we
know
we're
in
a
in
a
an
entitlement,
formal
entitlement
process-
and
you
know
we've
we,
the
direction
that
we
got
you
know
came
from
our
due
diligence
and
understanding.
This
is
an
opportunity
site
for
this
precise
type
of
use.
P
It
came
about
through
many
many
discussions
over
two
years
with
city
staff
as
to
the
direction
we
watched
carefully.
What
was
happening
with
the
projects
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
the
type
of
you
know
the
architectural
design
styles
and
you
know
we're
we're
informing
ourselves,
but
our
our
part
of
the
informing
ourselves
comes
next
and
that's
and
that's
going
to
be
meeting
the
neighbors
that
are
directly
behind
us.
We've
already
had
an
introductory
call
with
them.
P
We
understand
their
concerns
and
and
part
of
the
part
of
the
problem
with
the
outreach
has
been.
You
know
the
the
limitations
because
of
covet.
It
just
has
really
hamstrung
us
in
our
ability
to
do
the
kind
of
outreach
we
would.
B
I
you
know
I
if
I
can
interject
here
if
this
prescreen
is
approved
this
evening,
as
it's
been
stated
numerous
times,
we're
probably
at
least
a
year
away
from
it
coming
back
to
the
city
council
for
a
final
vote
and
maybe
even
longer,
and
it
would
seem
to
me
that
that
would
be
adequate
time
to
continue
with
public
outreach
that
you're
asking
about.
B
And
I,
since
we're
discussing,
I
would
have
to
say
that
asking
for
a
height
guarantee,
in
my
mind,
would
just
at
this
point
of
the
project
would
just
be
too
restrictive.
B
It
would
potentially
stifle
any
create
creative
solution
to
the
concerns
of
some
people.
By
insisting
on
this
rigid
height
height.
B
But
I
think
there's
plenty
of
time
for
public
outreach
and
a
guarantee
of
height
to,
in
my
mind,
is
just
too
restrictive
at
this
stage
and,
as
mr
cohen
said,
this
is
one
of
our
opportunity
sites.
We
have
about
six
in
the
city,
because
we
have
less
than
one
percent
of
developable
land
left
in
the
city.
B
Everything
else
is
developed,
it's
either
open
space
or
single
family
homes,
so
this
is
pretty
much
it
and
we
have
made
a
by
a
5-0
vote
for
our
strategic
plan.
We've
made
a
pledge
to
reinvest
in
these
key
commercial
centers,
and
we've
decided
that
mixed
use
would
make
sense
on
these
shopping
centers,
and
this,
of
course,
was
a
shopping
center
at
one
time,
and
you
know
I.
B
For
my
money,
I
think
that
there
is
enough
merit
here
to
move
this
thing
along
and
again
like
I
said
this
is
a
perfect
project,
probably
not,
but
I
think
that
the
applicant
has
displayed
more
than
enough
willingness
to
work
with
all
the
parties
to
come
up
with
the
project
that
is
appropriate
for
the
city
and
that
will
move
us
forward
economically.
B
Give
us
some
housing
for
some
young
people
and
create
a
lot
of
benefits.
So
that's
how
I
feel
about
it.
Councilmember
jones
are
you
am
I
still
awake
and
I
wasn't
gonna
say
that
I
know
you
are,
but
we've
heard
from
councilmember
angler
and
mayor
and
I've
put
a
few
comments
in
here
and
there
would
you
care
to
add
to
the
discussion.
C
C
C
I
don't
really
go
for
the
mixed
use.
I
mean
I
I
guess.
If
you're
with
it
I
mean
I
I
I
I
have
had
reservations
on
thousands
boulevard,
but
I
have
since
indicated
that
that
I
could
support
it,
but
I
really
don't
like
it
here
and
you
say:
well,
you
know
they're
very
flexible.
I
appreciate
they're
going
to
be
flexible,
but
the
purpose
of
the
screening
is
to
me.
Is
you
know
that
you
want
to
tell
them
right
off
the
bat?
C
B
We
can
we
can
read
that,
but
I
will
say
that
I
don't
think
any
of
the
council
members
tonight
have
pulled
any
punches
when
it's
come
to
their
concerns
about
this
project,
and
I
will
remind
you,
council,
member
jones-
you
will
have
the
final
say
on
this,
as
will
the
other
three
members
here
and
a
fifth
member,
whoever
that
may
be
we'll
find
that
out
in
november.
But
this
will
be
coming
back
and
then
we
will
see
what
the
final
iteration
is
and
we
will
have
the
final
say
and
it
will
be
binding.
B
But
for
now
we're
in
a
very,
very
early
stage
of
the
process
and
a
lot
can
change
over
the
next
year
and
to
turn
this
opportunity
down
to
me
would
be
short-sighted,
but
yeah.
I
think
member
jones
wanted
to
perhaps
miss
noonan.
Why
don't
you
for
council
robert
jones
reiterate
our
choices
again?
Would
that
be
richer
after
ed.
I
So
what
this
means,
in
a
nutshell,
is
the
city
would
be
committing
to
taking
those
353
dwelling
units
under
the
measure,
e
residential
capacity
and
setting
it
aside,
so
that
no
other
developer
has
an
opportunity
to
request
those
units.
Citi
commits
to
set
those
aside
for
a
year
to
allow
the
applicant
to
submit
a
formal
application
for
a
project.
I
If
it,
it
also
allows
the
applicant
to
process
an
application
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Applicants
cannot
process
any
type
of
land
use
entitlement
that
includes
legislative
actions
such
as
a
general
plan
amendment
or
a
zone
change
unless
the
city
council
lets
them
do
so
so
you'd
be
setting
aside
and
committing
353
units
from
the
measure
e
bank
that
can't
be
used
by
anybody
else
and
it's
again
it's
a
ceiling.
It's
not
a
it's
not
a
floor.
It's
a
ceiling
and
you'd
be
allowing
the
applicant
to
concurrently
process
legislative
actions.
B
B
I
Correct
and
and
actually
the
commercial
residential
designation
allows
actually
three
types
of
projects.
It
allows
a
commercial
and
residential
project,
it
allows
100
commercial
and
it
allows
a
hundred
percent
residential.
So
we
would
be
looking
at
when
you're
evaluating
project
alternatives,
as
you're
required
to
under
seek
with
those
are
things
that
we
could
be
looking
at.
F
That's
okay.
We
also
should
not
forget
that
the
the
reason
we're
here
this
evening
is
because
staff
has
worked
with
the
applicant
for
over
a
year
on
presenting
this
and
staff
actually
said
at
the
beginning
of
this
evening
that
they
feel
comfortable
with
this
project
to
be
presented
to
us,
the
council.
B
G
It
does
no
one
any
good
to
bring
a
proposal
forward
that
has
a
fatal
flaw
and
so
in
staffs
work
with
them
we're
trying
to
eliminate
fa
what
what
they
envisioned
from
a
design
and
urban
planning
professionals
perspective.
What
they
see
is
fatal
flaws
and
so
that
the
work
that
has
been
characterized
over
the
last
several
years
with
the
applicant
on
this
project
has
been.
The
project
has
evolved
dramatically
and
what
may
have
been
fatal
flaws
in
our
opinion.
G
Early
on
have
been
eliminated
from
the
discussion
to
a
place
where
council,
where
staff
felt
that
it
was
time
for
the
applicant
to
bring
the
project
forward
in
front
of
council.
It
is
council's
policy
decision
where
it
goes
from
here,
and
the
subsequent
phases
of
the
project
would
allow
it
to
be
shaped
and
formed.
B
And
we
did
turn
down
a
pre-screened
project,
not
all
that
long
ago,
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
that
had
a
fatal
flaw,
so
we
thought
it
didn't
have
enough
public
space.
So
it's
not
like
every
pre-screen
is
a
guarantee
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
think
you
make
a
good
point.
B
I
don't
see
a
fatal
flaw
on
this
project.
I
see
merit
and
again
I
don't
think
the
staff
is
by
any
means.
D
F
F
But
between
february
and
now
and
none
of
the
designs
changed
at
all.
It
all
remained
the
same.
So
I
don't
know
if.
B
B
Arguably
speaking,
you'll
have
more
input
and
influence
on
this
project
than
virtually
anybody
other
than
myself,
because
I
am
to
be
on
the
committee
as
well,
but
you,
as
you
well
know,
the
economic
committee
reviews
these
projects
and
I'm
sure
you
and
I
will
be
doing
that
multiple
times
if
this
project
goes
through
and
over
the
next
year,
as
it
goes
through
the
steps
you
and
I
will
be
a
significant
voice,
not
that
you
haven't
already.
You
know
which
you
certainly
have
and
elle
your
all.
B
Your
concerns
are
valid
and
legitimate,
and
I,
I
truly
believe
the
applicant
is
taking
all
them
into
due
consideration,
but
I
would
hate
to
lose
this
opportunity
with
an
applicant
as
strong
as
imt,
claudia
you
and
I
know,
weak
applicants
have
appeared
and
they
have
thrown
us
backwards
with
properties
that
should
have
been
developed
because
the
applicant
was
weak
for
one
reason
or
another.
It
delayed
development
or
it
never
got
developed.
I
think
we
have
a
very
strong
applicant
here
with
with
good
wherewithal
they
can
have
the
ability
to
put
together
a
project.
B
That's
going
to
be
amenable
to
most
of
us,
probably
not
all,
but
most
imt
is
well
noted
for
their
for
their
projects,
and
you
know
15
years,
we've
all
looked
at
that
blighted
lot.
B
And
finally,
we
have
someone
who
stepped
forward
with
the
wherewithal
and
the
risk-taking
to
even
have
the
you
know
have
the
the
challenge
of
appearing
before
us
and
knowing
how.
How
certainly
you
know
the
thousand
oaks
has
a
reputation
be
for
being
rather
strenuous
in
what
we
approve
and
they've
decided
to
have
a
go
at
it,
and
I
think
we
should.
We
should
take
advantage
of
that.
B
B
Sound
good
fellow
council
members,
all
for
the
vote,
mr
mayor,
I'm
going
to
bring
it
to
a
vote.
Bob
has
made
a
motion
that
we
approve
option
number
one
which
basically
validates
the
pre-screen
and
allows
the
project
to
move
forward
in
the
process.
Did
I
say
that
correctly,
miss
noonan?
B
That
is
right,
so
the
motion's
on
the
floor,
I'm
going
to
call
for
the
vote.
Ms
rodriguez,
if
you
would
please.
H
F
A
B
Well,
you
know,
I
think
we
should
vote
really.
We've
been
at
this
over
five
hours,
as
you
may,
as
you
yourself
mentioned,
the
applicant's
been
in
preparation
for
this
for
a
year,
it's
only
a
pre-screen
folks,
it's
only
a
pre-screen,
there's
so
much
more
left
to
do
on
this
project.
B
B
B
It
will
have
an
eir
in
front
of
us.
We'll
have
a
traffic
study
in
front
of
us
we'll
have
the
planning
commission
vote
whether
the
economic
development
committee
will
have
the
the
specific
plan,
all
those
factors,
and
then
we
can
make
a
final
decision.
But
I
really
mayor.
F
B
Well,
I
mean:
are
you
talking
about
the
economic
development
committee?
I
I
appointed
you
to
it
because
we
had
a
vacancy
with
the
departure
of
councilmember,
mccoy
and-
and
you
wanted
to
be
on
that
committee-
and
I
wanted
you
to
be
on
that
committee
and
I'm
sorry.
I
couldn't
get
you
on
there
earlier,
but
just
didn't
work
out
that
way,
but
going
forward
as
you
as
I
have
discussed
with
you.
The
edc
is
a
very
important
committee
and
will
have
a
strong
voice
in
this
process.
B
G
C
G
Things
I'll
mention
just
to
reconfirm
what
what
city
attorney
noonan
was
saying
is
that,
in
the
alternative
analysis
of
the
process
of
the
project,
because
of
the
zoning
category,
all
and
all
residential
will
be
evaluated
and
all
all
commercial
will
be
evaluated
and
a
mixed
use
will
be
evaluated.
So
not
only
will
all
residential
but
those
other
two
components
as
well
and
and
you'll
be
able
to
look
at
the
data
and
make
a
decision
based
on
that
type
of
information.
B
Yeah,
I
think
you've
made
it
clear
that
you
have
reservations
about
the
com,
the
retail
and,
if
I
recall
the
applicant
said
that
that's
up
for
consideration
up
for
study-
and
I
think
mr
powers
is
right.
That
will
be
one
of
the
alternatives.
B
H
Yeah,
I
think
we
all
have
reservations
the
the
the
this
is
a
big
project.
It.
B
H
We
have
reservations,
there's
risks
involved
in
going
forward
forward
with
this
project.
However,
at
this
point
I
think
those
opportunities
that
this
also
this
presents
outweighs
the
risks.
It's
it's
like
you've
said
several
times
tonight.
This
is
our
first
look
at
this,
I'm
with
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
I
didn't
see
this
until
just
a
couple
of
months
ago,
but
that
said
this
opportunity
is
now
presented
to
us.
I,
I
can't
see
us
closing
the
door
on
an
opportunity
just
because
there's
some
risks
involved
as
well.
H
I
think
our
input
tonight,
both
from
the
council
from
the
public
from
staff,
is
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
making
this
a
better
project,
and
I
would
I
would
hope
that
we
don't
not
even
take
that
look.
We
want
to
be
able
to
see
what's
coming
down
the
bed
rather
than
wait
or
not
not
even
take
a
look
so
that
that's
just
where
the
way
I'm
looking
at
it.
B
B
The
proposer
did
not
have
the
wherewithal
to
to
to
bring
them
to
fruition,
and
here
we
are
15.
Later
15
years
later,
we
finally
have
someone
who
is
has
the
capability
of
putting
in
a
project
that
could
actually
work
and
has
the
financial
wherewithal
to
do
it
and
is
ready
to
invest,
as
I
mentioned
anywhere
from
150
to
200
million
dollars
into
our
community.
And
yes,
as
we've
said,
add
infinitum
here,
there's
there's
a
long
way
to
go,
but
boy
I'll
tell
you
I.
B
F
I
realized
that,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
the
applicant
really
well.
B
F
I
would
feel
much
more
comfortable
with
my
votes
tonight
if
I
could
have
an
agreement
that
the
building
height
would
be
35
feet
as
close
to
30..
Well,.
B
I
think
you
you
use,
you
used
the
word
guarantee
and
I
and
again
I
think
I
think
the
builder
was
very
receptive
to
your
idea,
but
did
not
choose
to
agree
to
a
35-foot
height
guarantee.
J
F
P
I
I,
how
shall
I
respond?
I
don't
think
I
can
really
change
my
thoughts
that
came
up
with
earlier,
but
again
this
is
exactly
what
the
pre-screen
is
all
about
mayor
protem,
to
to
hear
your
thoughts,
it's
direction
given
to
us
to
go
back
and
and
study
this,
but
it's
if
we're
told
to
stick
to
some
artificial
height
limit
it.
P
It
doesn't
allow
us
the
creativity
that
we
need
and
it's
it
really-
and
I
think
you
heard
it
earlier-
it
could
affect
the
affordable
housing
component,
which
we
don't
want
to
do.
It
could
affect
the
open
space
that
we
think
is
a
critical
piece
of
this
project,
so
it
we
just
need
time
to
study
this,
and
I
don't
think
it's
reasonable
for
us
to
to
tell
you.
I
think
it
would
be
disingenuous
of
us
to
tell
you
that
we
can
build
it
to
35
feet.
P
37
feet
28
feet
because
right
now,
it's
just
too
early
to
tell
you
that.
But
what
I
can
tell
you
is.
We
have
heard
you
loud
and
clear.
That
height
is
of
significant
concern
for
you
and-
and
we
will
look
at
that-
and
we
will
get
back
to
you
and
now
that
we
know
you're
on
the
committee.
P
You'll
be
one
of
the
first
people
to
to
look
at
whatever
it
is.
We
come
back
with
and
you
can
tell
us
wow
you're
way
off
the
mark
or
you're
coming
you're
you're
in
the
right
direction,
you're
in
the
ballpark,
but
I
I
could
see
a
need
for
some
more
tweaking
whatever
it
is,
but
today
tonight
almost
tomorrow.
B
Yeah,
I
have
to
say
putting
a
a
rock
solid
constraint
like
that
on
this
type
of
project
could
have
repercussions
that
we
can't
even
anticipate
right
now.
It
could
have
repercussions
to
the
affordable
element
which
we
desperately
need.
We
need
very
low
and
low
income
housing,
and
this
is
50
units.
That's
that's
a
standalone,
affordable
housing
project
in
itself.
B
It
could,
it
could
affect
the
quality,
and
I
know
that
we
all
want
a
high
quality
project,
so
I
just
would
be
afraid
of
a
constraint
like
that
and
the
repercussions
that
that
maybe
we
could
project
now,
maybe
we
couldn't.
I
think
it
would
be.
I
think,
that'd
be
a
mistake
personally.
B
P
P
Listen,
we
will
endeavor
to
bring
the
building
height
down
to
what
height.
I
can't
tell
you
today,
but
we
will
be
studying
that
with
that
goal
in
mind.
P
B
There
you
have
it,
that's
would
seemingly
be
a
concession
and
we're
not
even
out
of
the
prescreen
yet
so
all
right,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
11
30
and
I
think
we're
it's
voting
time.
C
I'd
like
to
hear
what
councilwoman
leo
pena's
final
thoughts
are.
C
My
feeling
is
that
this
is
too
dense
and
I
don't
like
40
units
an
acre.
I
don't
like
the
number
of
vehicles,
I
don't
like
the
number
of
parking
for,
in
other
words,
I
could
go
for
this,
but
it
would
take
a
lot
of
revisions.
I
mean
it.
Would
he
said,
he's
going
to
be
flexible,
I
don't
know
if
he'd
be
as
flexible
as,
and
I
really
don't
care
for
the
for
the
mixed
use
on
the
boulevard.
C
I
wish
there
was
some
magical
way
you
could
just
push
and
remove
all
that
first
story
and
bring
the
the
next
part
of
the
building
down
a
story
and
that
way
you'd
have
a
not
such
an
abrupt
change
of
heights.
From
the
you
know,
the
sidewalk
up
to
the
building,
you
could
have
a
more
of
a
step,
stepping
stone
up.
You
see
what
kind
of
allows
the
architect
I'd
be
well.
C
B
Yeah
not
yet,
but
claudia
to
your
notion
about
perhaps
having
the
the
project
come
back.
It
will
be
coming
back,
that's
the
point
of
it.
It
will
be
coming
if
it
gets
through
this
tonight.
It
will
be
coming
back
in
so
many
different
ways
and
so
many
different
avenues.
I
mean,
as
I've
said,
ad
infinitum,
with
a
specific
plan.
It's
got
to
go
through
the
whole
staff
review.
It's
got
to
go
through
us,
you
and
me,
claudia
economic
development.
It's
an
eir,
the
planning,
commission,
the
city
council.
It
will
be
coming
back.
B
I
can
assure
you
and
council
councilmember
jones
yeah.
You
mentioned
you
didn't
like
this,
and
you
didn't
like
that
and
that's
great.
It
would
seem
to
me
a
reasonable
course,
for
you
would
be
to
see
what
kind
of
modifications
were
made
if
it
could,
in
fact,
please
your
notions
about
how
it
should
be,
and
if
it
doesn't
you'll
have
a
chance
to
vote
on
it
bindingly,
but
to
to
to
to
just
throw
the
whole
thing
away
now
and
end
up
with
nothing.
B
H
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
want
to
say
I
guess
once
again,
if
we're
going
to
kind
of
go
in
circular,
a
little.
H
Okay,
this
this,
the
the
input
that
we
all
have
had
tonight,
not
just
councilman
bill,
the
tenure
councilman
jones,
we've
all
had
input
and
that's
exactly
what
this
pre-screen
is
is
about
to
give
the
input
back
to
the
to
the
to
the
builder
as
to
what
we
are
thinking
now
they
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
they've
been
talking
to
the
staff.
H
B
B
B
None
of
them
have
worked,
and
I've
listened
to
him
personally
and
I've
been
badgered
by
people
for
years.
What
are
you
going
to
do
about
the
kmart
project?
What
are
you
going
to
do
about
the
kmart
project?
Why
don't
you
do
something
about
it?
Well,
now
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something
about
it
in
this
very
early
stage,
in
this
pre-screen
process
that
we
all
voted
on,
and
here
we
are.
C
Let
me
ask
one
more
question,
mr
mayor.
Yes,
sir,
let
me
ask
the
city
attorney
the
way
this
is
worded.
I've
seen
it
in
other
parts
of
the
packet
and
what,
where
I've
seen
it
before
it
says
amendment
from
commercial
to
residential
and
then
to
commercial
residential
they've,
had
three
things:
commercial,
residential
or
combination
commercial
resident.
It
looks
to
me
like,
if
you
vote
for
this,
you
have
to
be
approving
commercial
residential.
In
one
thing,
doesn't
it.
I
Actually,
no
again,
what
this
is
allowing
the
applicant
to
do
is
to
process
an
application,
in
other
words,
submit
an
application
to
consider
a
commercial
and
residential
project.
But
under
that
land
use
designation,
council
member
jones,
that
could
be
a
100
percent
residential
project.
It
could
be
a
100
percent
commercial
project
or
it
can
be
a
mix
of
commercial
and
residential.
C
I
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
what
you're,
referring
to
I'm
looking
at
community
development
director
town
to
see
if
he
understands
I.
B
Councilmember
jones,
I
could
tell
you,
that's
not
the
case,
I
can
tell
you
and
you
know
ultimately,
maybe
this
boils
down
to.
We
have
to
have
a
little
trust
in
the
system,
but
I
can
tell
you
the
only
thing
you're
voting
for
tonight
is
to
give
this
project
300
and
53
units
to
try
to
do
something
with
over
the
next
year,
and
it
could
be
anything
it
could
be
all
residential.
B
I
And
in
fact,
the
conditions
in
the
resolution
state
that
adoption
of
the
resolution
initiating
the
general
plan,
amendment
from
commercial
to
commercial
red,
slash
residential,
does
not
guarantee
that
such
a
land
use
designation
will
actually
be
approved.
C
So
if
you
vote
for
this
you're,
not
voting
for
mixed
use,.
I
C
Well,
let
me
just
say
this
that
if
we
had
five
council
members,
I
don't
know-
and
I
just
feel
that
again
you
know
well,
we
only
have
four.
I
I
I
understand
that
and
I.
B
F
Mr
mayor,
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
Yes,
what
would
be
the
next
step
in
this
process?
I
know
we
had
a
slide
up.
When
would
this
be
coming
back
to
the
city
council?
Oh
no,
is
it
the
planning
commission?
Next,
I
forget.
G
Actually
it
would
be
to
to
staff
and
the
and
the
committee
would
be
the
next
piece
of
this
generally.
What
happens
is
the
applicant
takes
all
the
feedback
that
they've
received
through
this
process?
G
So
I'm
just
winging
it
here,
but
but
after
that
it
would
come
to
planning
commission
and
to
the
city
council
for
final
approval.
F
F
B
F
It
is
a
process,
but
we
have
a
presentation
here
that
is
viewed
upon.
That's
that's
viewed
favorably
by
by
some
people
and
not
so
much
by
others.
So.
F
B
H
Mr
mayor
bob
engler
here
again,
I
think
again
it's
sort
of
do.
Do
we
think
that
residential
is
appropriate
there
and
I
think,
that's
the
basic
question.
I
I
for
one
think
the
residential
converting
that
derelict
property
to
a
residential
is
probably
the
best
way
to
go.
I.
H
That
that's
really
our
question:
it's
not
that
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
guarantee
353
or
you
know
we're
saying
that
we
are
going
to.
We
are
going
to
change
that
location
from
commercial
to
some
form
of
residential
commercial.
H
H
What
we
are
trying
to
decide
tonight,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
all
have
given
feedback
on
are
valid
and
and
appropriate,
but
in
a
nutshell,
we
are
looking
at
changing
that
zoning
with
the
general
plan
amendment
from
a
commercial
to
residential.
H
B
B
B
So
I
think
councilmember
angler
is
absolutely
correct.
Residential
is
what
needs
to
go
there
and,
let's
trust
the
process
and
see
if
we
can't
get
it
the
way
we
all
want
it.
G
F
Like
the
the
honesty
of
councilmember
jones,
who
says
that,
if
we
were
five
council
members,
he
would
vote
no,
because
that's
how
he
really
feels
about
it.
The
applicant
is
seeing
how
we
are
really
struggling
with
this
decision.
F
Okay,
do
you
the
applicant,
prefer
that
we
voted
it
because
it
would
fail
on
a
two-two
vote
or
are
you
really
are
there
any
other
signs
that
you
can
say
yeah
well,
we'll
not
go
53
feet
high,
that
that
is
really
a.
That
is
a
deal
breaker
for
me
personally.
B
Well,
I
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say,
but
the
applicant
has
said
over
and
over
that
they
have
heard
your
reservations
about
height
and
and
at
one
point
towards
the
end
of
their
conversation.
The
applicant
said
we're
going
to
bring
the
height
down
flat
out
now.
Can
they
guarantee
35
feet?
C
Well,
I
think
that
the
53
feet
is
too
high.
I
don't
know
if,
if
it
has
to
go
down
to
35,
I
didn't
get
into
that
detail.
That.
C
C
As
I
say,
I'd
like
to
see
them
eliminate
the
I
know
they
don't
want
me
to
design
the
project
for
them,
but
I'd
like
to
see
them
eliminate
the
commercial
and
I
I
don't
think
we
need
more
commercial.
I
I
don't
think
that
we
need
more
retail.
A
lot
of
stores
are
not
even
being
used
right
now
and
if
we
could
eliminate
the
the
retail
and
use
those
parking
places
for
the
dwelling
units
and
bring
down
the
front
of
that
building,
I
could
support
it.
C
B
B
F
Mayor,
mr
mayor,
I
would
respectfully
disagree
with
you.
The
developer
would
just
be
able
to
have
more
time
to
tweak
it
here
and
there
regarding
building
height,
and
perhaps
I.
B
B
There's
no
doubt
about
it
and
think
about
that:
hey
we'll
get
we'll
get
a
traffic
study
out
of
it
and
for,
if
nothing
less
I
mean
we
should
you
know
when
when
home
depot
was
proposed
to
go
in
there,
I
forget
if
we
had
a
traffic
study
or
not,
but
and
I
think
we
did
and
it
it
showed
us
what
the
traffic
would
be
like
with
the
big
box
store.
Well
now
we
get
to
see
what
traffic
will
be
like
with
the
residential
area
for
free.
B
B
B
L
Town,
mr
mayor,
just
just
to
mention
one
point
again:
we've
talked
about
it
on
and
off,
but
the
idea
of
the
land
use
change
and
I'm
going
to
read
directly
from
our
general
plan
residential
policies,
we're
talking
about
going
from
commercial
to
commercial,
residential
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
debate
about
whether
commercial
should
be
part
of
it
and
if
it
should
how
much
it
should
be
and
what
configuration
the
applicant
has
indicated
that
they're
willing
to
revisit
that.
Yes
and
they
would
also
conduct
market
studies.
L
I
would
assume,
given
the
dynamic
nature
of
retail
these
days,
but
this
is
exactly
how
the
policy
reads.
In
our
general
plan,
the
commercial
residential
designation
and
the
land
use
element
shall
mean
that
either
residential
or
commercial
land
uses
may
be
permitted
on
land
so
designated,
provided
that
a
specific
plan
has
been
adopted
for
the
land
and
that
the
proposed
uses
are
consistent
with
the
uses
authorized
by
this
specific
plan.
That's
why
the
specific
plan
is
part
of
this
okay.
B
L
Discussion,
but
in
the
past
we
have
used
this
for
this.
This
designation
for
only
two
areas
in
the
city,
one
is
the
downtown
thousand
oaks
boulevard
specific
plan
and
the
other
one
is
the
401
west
hillcrest
specific
plan,
because
both
of
those
projects
envisioned
either
horizontal
or
vertical
mixed
use,
vertical
being
in
our
downtown
area.
So
to
me
this
gives
city
council
the
maximum
flexibility
you
it
gives
you
the
ability
to
scale
back
the
commercial,
eliminate
the
commercial,
retain
the
commercial,
retain
the
vertical
mixed
use.
B
It's
it's
yeah,
it's
not
it's
not
right,
it's
not
necessarily
an
either
or
is
it.
B
L
C
I
I
have
an
awful
lot
of
reservations,
but
I
respect
your
judgment.
Mr
mayor,
I
respect
councilman
angler.
I
respect
the
judgment
of
council
member
bill
de
la
pena
and.
C
I'm
going
to
vote
reluctantly
for
it
with
the
idea
that
I
hope
the
developer
knows
that
it
would
be
very
hard
for
me
to
vote
for
the
finished
product
if
it
is
not
very
substantially
changed.
Yes,
and
by
what
I
said
at
the
beginning,
I
don't
want
to
lead
anybody
down
in
a
primrose
path.
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want
to
give
the
developer
a
false
sense
that,
because
I
open
the
gate
here
or
helps
open
the
gate
that
that
I
like
to
pri.
C
There
are
a
lot
of
things
as
I've
said
that
I
don't
like
about
the
project.
Yes,
you
know
one
more
time.
Let
me
just
say
it
the
you
say
that
we
can
open
the
door
and
he'll
be
flexible,
good,
that's
good,
but
another
reason
for
having
this
red
light
green
light
hearing
is
we
don't
want
to
give
somebody
false
hopes?
C
C
B
Well,
thank
you
and
councilman
jones.
I
mean,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
what
you
just
said
is
very
wise
and
it's
a
it's
a
a
good
move
on
your
part,
if
I
may
say
so,
well
I'll
tell
you
what
I
think
I
think
we're
we're
okay
to
vote,
because
it
sounds
well
natural.
I
would
think
that,
because
I'm
in
favor
of
moving
ahead
with
the
with
the
pre-screen
and
it
sounds
like
councilmember
jones
feels
the
same
way
and
claudia
I
I
completely
understand
your
reservations.
C
F
B
B
All
right
we
have
ruled
on
that,
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
patience
and
everybody's
decorum
and
respect,
and
it
was
a
great
discussion
and.
F
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
applicant
and
all
of
the
members
of
the
development
team
on
coming
up
and
producing
something
that
will
be
attractive
and
really
completely
accepting
by
the
or
accepted
by
the
community.
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
that.
Well,
let
us
oh,
I
think
we
might
be
done,
because
claudia
was
wise
enough
to
suggest
that
we
move
an
agenda
item
up
early,
so
we
have
that
out
of
the
way,
mr
powers,
do
you
have
any
follow-up
items.
G
Sure,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Our
next
regularly
scheduled
city
council
meeting
will
be
the
26th
of
may
currently
have
a
light
agenda
taking
shape
for
that
evening,
with
a
social
services,
endowment
fund
report
more
details
to
to
come
in
the
days
and
weeks
ahead.
B
C
C
B
He's
he
stood
out,
I
must
say
I
met
him
through
the
youth
commission
and
he
stood
out
head
and
shoulders
and
we
we're
going
to
sorely
miss
him.
I.