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B
Start
at
six
al
you
can
make
it
for
the
roll
call.
Madam
clerk,
if
you'd
take
roll.
B
Item
number
four
request
for
continuance
of
any
public
hearing
or
agenda
item.
I
don't
think
there
are
any
no,
we
do
have
one
go
ahead.
Yes,.
C
Item
7f
on
the
consent
calendar
we'll
be
pulling
that
one.
B
B
Okay
and
there's
no
special
presentations
or
announcements,
and
we
have
public
comments.
A
A
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
rodriguez.
Before
we
do
public
comments,
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
boy
scout
troop
761.
We
have
michael
and
ryan
in
the
house.
Fellas
stand
up,
let
everybody
clap
for
you.
B
These
future
leaders
of
the
kaneho
valley
are
doing
their
communications,
merit
badge
so
pay
attention
as
these
folks
come
and
speak
and
learn
from
them.
Okay,
our
first
public
speaker
will
be
stephanie
wilson.
A
A
As
you
know,
the
new
west
symphony
is
a
proud
resident
company
of
the
civic
arts
plaza
and
tonight,
I'm
here
to
tell
you
about
two
exciting
upcoming
concerts
this
saturday.
The
symphony
will
present
a
new
work
that
we
have
commissioned
from
house
of
cards,
composer
jeff
beale,
who
has
received
four
prime-time,
emmy
award
nominations
and
one
statue.
A
This
will
be
the
world
premiere.
The
work
entitled
the
great
circle
is
influenced
by
the
power
of
nature,
to
both
destroy
and
regenerate
itself,
because
the
work
was
originally
inspired
by
the
thomas
fire.
The
symphony
is
off
offering
fire
and
mudslide
victims
and
first
responders
complimentary
tickets.
By
going
to
our
website.
A
The
third
piece
is:
beethoven's
symphony
number
seven
beethoven.
On
february
9th,
in
just
a
few
weeks,
the
symphony
returns
with
the
concert
that
was
originally
planned
in
november
and
rescheduled
for
this
february.
You
want
to
know
about
two
special
pieces
by
local
composer
pauline
frechette,
the
sacred
mountains
of
ojai
and
reflections
sacred
mountains
of
ojai
is
another
world
premiere
and
will
be
accompanied
by
paintings
from
local
ojai
artists
projected
on
the
screen.
A
B
B
Oh,
that's
all
right
good
evening.
C
Like
I
said,
my
name
is
robin
caswick
and
I
live
two
houses
down
from
the
thousand
oaks
high
school
and
my
family's
lived
here
since
1963
in
that
house,
and
when
I
heard
I
don't
know,
I
think
it
was
six
weeks
ago
about
this
developer,
wanting
to
put
in
the
7-eleven
and
24-hour
gas
station
on
the
corner
of
moore
park
in
flores
I
was
upset
and
I
went
online
to
our
next
door.
C
There's
things
that
happen,
and
you
know
I
have
a
great
relationship
with
the
high
school
and
the
students
and
the
the
football
games
and
the
noise
and
the
band,
and
all
of
it
makes
my
home
and
my
community
really
nice
and
a
7-eleven
with
homelessness
and
our
kids
having
access
to
tobacco
and
alcohol.
Because
all
this
you
know
we
do
have
a
few
bad
people
in
our
area,
and
it
just
is
not
a
good
use
for
that
area.
So
I
just
you
know.
C
B
B
D
Evening,
good
evening,
mayor
council,
members
city
staff
thousand
oaks,
I'm
I've
been
here
a
couple
of
times
in
the
past.
I
am
a
long
time
resident
of
the
city,
I'm
a
product
of
cvusd,
I'm
a
volunteer
with
our
miller,
ymca,
youth
and
government,
former
youth
commissioner,
current
planning
commission
applicant,
if
you're
still
looking
for
nominees,
but
I'm
actually
not
here
to
address
you
as
any
one
of
those
I'm
actually
going
to
address
you
tonight
as
a
rams
fan
and
yeah.
D
And
so
if
anybody
in
here
doesn't
know
the
rams
have
made
their
way
to
the
super
bowl
and
have
become
the
nfc
champs.
I
would
love
very
much
to
see
the
city
sponsor
support,
organize
champion
an
event
or
something
that
we
could
invite.
The
rams,
the
rams
organization,
the
fans,
the
front
office
to
our
community
into
our
city,
whether
it's
a
parade,
it's
ju,
it's
an
event.
It's
a
party,
it's
a
it's
something
out
in
a
field.
D
D
You
know,
what's
been
really
cool
about
their
involvement
and
their
engagement
here
is
people
who
wouldn't
normally
identify
themselves
as
nfl
fans
or
football
fans
are
because
of
what
they
mean
to
our
story
and
how
much
they
stepped
up
when
it
mattered
most,
and
I
think
that
for
us
to
stand
up
and
say
we
not
only
appreciate
you,
not
only
are
we
grateful
for
you,
but
you
know.
Congratulations
we
want
to
now
celebrate
with
you.
D
B
Thanks
kyle
you'll
be
encouraged
by
city
manager's
words
at
the
end,
we're
on
it
we're
just
as
excited
as
you
are
go
rams
next
speaker,
rudy
gonzalez,.
E
Good
evening
mayor
mccoy
council
members,
mr
powers,
I'm
rudy,
gonzalez
a
proud
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
Most
of
you
know
me
as
southern
california,
edison's
government
relations
manager
for
the
area,
I'm
here
tonight
as
both
a
board
member
and
current
cohort
member
of
the
ventura
county
leadership
academy,
otherwise
known
as
vcla.
E
The
mission
of
vcla
is
to
connect
people
and
issues
that
will
strengthen
our
county.
Vcla
connects
and
cultivates
a
diverse
network
of
passionate,
capable
leaders
through
an
immersion
in
both
critical
issues,
shaping
ventura,
county
and
opportunities
for
personal
and
professional
growth,
vcla's
comprehensive
program,
ignites
awareness
and
inspiration,
helping
cohort
members
discover
their
individual
pathway
towards
impacting
our
region.
E
The
curriculum
includes
focused
sessions
on
public
safety,
education,
economic
development,
water
transportation,
health
care,
non-profits
and
volunteerism,
the
environment,
agriculture
and
land
use
regional
issues
and
governance.
The
sessions
are
interactive
with
open
dialogue
between
presenters
and
the
program.
Participants,
participants
also
conduct
site
visits
and
field
trips
as
part
of
their
background
research
on
the
various
topics
of
discussion.
E
B
Rudy,
thank
you.
It
was
a
great
organization
and
again
I
guess
that
website
was
vcleadership.org.
That's
correct!
Yes,
folks,
get
involved.
That's
a
great
group!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time,
mr
powers,
would
you
share
with
kyle
about
the
rams.
F
Following
up
on
a
handful
of
items,
mr
mayor,
thank
you.
First
of
all,
we're
looking
forward
to
the
new
west
symphony
performance.
It's
going
to
be
a
good
one
in
regards
to
the
speaker
about
7-eleven.
F
That
item
is,
I
think,
tentatively
scheduled
scheduled
for
planning
commission
at
the
beginning
of
april,
and
that's
the
next
step
in
the
in
the
process.
There,
the
rudy's
comments
regarding
vcla,
it's
a
great
organization,
really
encourage
you
to
to
check
it
out.
F
If
you
have
interest
in
making
some
some
great
connections
and
learning
more
about
what's
happening
across
ventura
county
and
then
finally,
on
the
rams
we
are,
we
are
obviously
extremely
proud
of
our
hometown
rams
here
for
those
that
might
not
know
or
might
not
be
from
the
area,
the
rams
have
their
end-season
training
facilities
here
in
thousand
oaks,
actually
proudly
wearing
a
ram's
lapel
pin
tonight
and
in
honor
of
it
thanks
to
mayor
pro
tim,
adam
who's,
a
season
ticket
holder
and
and
a
great
ram
supporter,
we've
already
been
in
touch
with
the
team,
both
immediately
following
the
game
and
throughout
the
day
today,
we
have
some
exciting
things
in
the
works.
F
Not
just
one
or
two
things:
we
have
a
kind
of
a
handful
of
really
exciting
things
where
we're
planning
to
recognize
a
team
both
in
the
short
term
here
as
they
head
off
to
the
super
bowl
and
then
after
they
get
back
so
stay
tuned,
we're
working
through
some
logistics
and
we'll
we'll
be
sharing
it
widely.
As
soon
as
we
have
things,
that's
it.
A
Mayor,
if
we
could
just
confirm
by
the
from
the
maker
of
the
motion
that
that
excludes
item
seven
f.
G
B
A
Yes,
let's
do
a
voice
vote
council
member
angler.
H
I
I
I
B
I
I
I'm
not
questioning
that,
but
these
are
very
large
and
I
think
what
we're
really
doing
is
saying
that
we
stand
behind
and
agree
with
the
people
that
have
worked
on
this
because
we're
not
you
know
seeing
other
bids
other
we're
just
being
asked
to
approve
what
has
been
done,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
is
really
the
point
of
this
I
mean
I'm,
not
I'm
not
questioning
anybody's
ability
to
make
these
decisions.
They
certainly
know
much
more
about
the
subject
matter
than
I
do,
but
I'm
just
wondering
these
these
were
very
complicated.
I
Cindy
was
good
enough
to
run
some
of
these
off
for
me,
because
I
was
having
trouble
getting
it
on
my
computer,
but
you
know
the
these
are
really
big
items
coming
from
a
smaller
agency.
I
C
For
you,
consent
calendar
is
comprised
of
staff
or
of
either
contracts
or
projects
that
are
of
a
more
routine
nature,
they're
handled
no
differently
than
ones
that
we
might
do
a
department
report,
but
they're
considered
more
routine
and
in
fact,
even
in
the
consent
calendar,
you
have
a
staff
report
attached
to
each
one
of
the
consent,
calendar
items
that
elaborates
the
same
process
that
we
go
through,
whether
it's
a
professional
services
contract
on
the
consent,
calendar
or
professional
services
contract
that
we
do
a
department
report
for
it's
done
identically.
C
J
J
C
Sticker
shock,
but
we
we
treat
them
the
same
way
when
we're
processing
them.
The
difference
is
that,
from
a
staff's
perspective,
we
don't
think
it's
going
to
require
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
there's
always
an
option
for
counsel,
a
council
member.
If
they
have
a
question
to
pull
that
item,
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
yeah.
I
B
I
B
Don't
necessarily
know
that
it's
on
the
agenda
for
us
to
educate
on
on
all
of
this
at
the
moment,
they're
they'll
answer
all
your
questions
and
granted
coming
from
a
smaller
organization
to
a
larger
one,
200
million
dollars,
as
opposed
to
20
million
dollar
annual
budget
operating
budget
they'll,
explain
to
you,
as
we've
all
received
that
same
training
and
they'll
take
time
to
do
it.
I.
I
Don't
have
a
question,
I
guess
I'm
I'm
saying.
Should
we
get
involved
at
an
earlier
stage,
and
I
hear
you
saying
we
shouldn't
so
we
you
know
we
should.
I.
C
B
B
What
we're
going
to
do
item
number.
Nine
is
a
memorandum
of
understanding,
but
with
permission
I
would
like
to
which,
which
is
the
item
city
manager,
not
the
study
session,
yeah
I'd
like
to
move
item
11
up
and
have
the
committee
commission
board
report
council
on
aging
we'd
like
to
let
you
guys
so
you
have
to
wait
through
the
whole
meeting.
So
are
you
good
with
that?
C
So
good
evening,
mary,
mary,
mccoy
council,
members
and
city
staff,
my
name
is
karen
gorbach
and
I'm
chair
of
the
thousand
oaks
council
on
aging
and
I'm
going
to
go
off
script
for
just
a
moment
and
thank
rudy
gonzalez
for
his
public
comment
this
evening.
Regarding
the
ventura
county
leadership
academy,
I
am
a
proud
graduate
of
cohort
four
from
many
years
ago,
ventura
county
leadership
academy,
one
of
the
best
most
exciting
learning
experiences
in
my
life.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
hear
a
little
more
about
it
always
happy
to
talk
about
vcla
and.
C
I
listened
with
my
shiny
new
hip
special
thanks
to
commissioner
mortimer,
who
always
works
throughout
the
summer,
to
prepare
this
series
of
speakers
for
the
following
year.
We
appreciate
her
work.
In
addition,
we
continue
to
serve
as
liaisons
to
various
agencies
from
which
we
bring
back
information
to
the
public
during
our
televised
meetings.
C
C
To
this
end,
we
continue
to
host
the
transit
training
education
series
at
the
global
center.
In
partnership
with
volunteers
from
the
original
senior
adult
master
plan,
transit
team
mobility,
management
partners,
the
thousand
oaks
transit
and
mv
transit
this
past
year,
additional
trainings
were
also
held
at
the
thousand
oaks
library.
Each
was
well
attended
with
the
waiting
list.
C
C
I
am
serving
as
a
senior
senator
and
commissioner
git
is
an
assembly
member.
The
csl
currently
is
in
the
process
of
securing
support
for
csl's
top
legislative
priorities
for
2019
and
will
soon
be
developing
new
proposals
for
consideration
for
2020.
I
believe
this
is
the
first
time
two
csl
members
representing
ventura
county
have
hailed
from
thousand
oaks.
C
Looking
ahead,
we
want
to
invite
you
to
the
senior
of
the
year
celebration
on
june
13th
at
5
pm
at
the
global
center.
Truly
one
of
the
most
inspirational
highlights
of
my
year,
thanks
to
commissioner
maria,
who
organized
last
year's
very
successful
event
in
which
nancy
healy
was
selected
as
senior
of
the
year
and
commissioner,
commissioner.
Maria
is
organizing
the
event
again
this
year.
We
thank
her.
In
conclusion,
the
commission
on
aging
desires
to
work
more
closely
in
partnership
and
thus
more
effectively
with
the
city
council.
C
C
B
Dr
gorbach,
thank
you
for
all.
You
do
on
behalf
of
all
the
folks
involved
with
this
wonderful
organization.
Council
members,
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments.
B
B
A
Those
funds
help
enhance
a
number
of
our
most
popular
programs
and
services
and
have
funded
the
purchase
of
items
both
in
our
physical
and
virtual
libraries.
While
we've
enjoyed
an
informal
and
very
successful
partnership.
Establishing
a
formal
mou
is
the
best
thing
for
both
organizations
and
it
can
ensure
a
solid
future
for
both
of
us.
A
C
A
B
B
H
K
B
B
B
I'd
ask
the
council
members
after
the
presentation,
let's
hold
all
of
our
questions
till
the
end
of
the
presentation,
write
them
down
and
let's
ask
as
many
questions
as
possible
to
get
a
greater
understanding,
but
let's
give
the
presenters
a
time
to
lay
it
all
out
without
interruption.
If
that'd
be
all
right
good.
L
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
good
evening.
Members
of
the
council
tonight,
as
was
just
mentioned,
is
a
study
session
on
the
general
plan
and
update
options
for
that
plan,
and
now,
before
we
get
into
more
specifics,
I
did
want
to
introduce
the
individual
seated
to
my
left.
L
L
To
matt's
left
is
him
is
veronica
tam,
who
is
also
a
state
expert
on
the
topic
of
housing
elements
which
I
think
you
all
recognize
as
a
key
part
of
any
type
of
update
that
we
may
consider
that
you
may
decide
on
and
then
seated
next
to
ms
tam
is
peter
gilley.
Community
development,
deputy
director
and
mr
gilly's
been
in
the
lead
on
this
project
over
about
the
last
year,
so
he
is
also
a
great
source
of
information
on
the
topic.
L
L
One
is
the
background
of
the
the
general
plan
as
a
planning
tool
and
related
to
that
is
some
background
on
the
thousand
oaks
general
plan,
as
well
as
what
are
some
of
the
primary
reasons
why
one
would
consider
updating
the
general
plan
to
begin
with
and
then
once
we
are
done
with
that,
we
will
shift
gears
and
talk
about
three
fundamental
options
that
you
have
before
you
in
terms
of
updating
all
or
portions,
of
the
general
plan
and
related
factors.
L
And
right
now,
by
the
way
again
tonight,
no
decisions,
just
information
sharing.
This
item
is
tentatively
scheduled
to
be
brought
back
to
you
at
your
next
meeting
in
two
weeks
on
february
12th.
L
So
a
little
bit
of
background
I'll
take
the
lead
on
this
one
on
general
plans.
I
wanted
to
start
just
to
essentially
make
the
point
that
we
came
to
tonight's
discussion.
After
a
variety
of
milestones
over
the
past
year
staff
provided
a
report
to
you
last
march,
on
the
topic
last,
may
you
provided
direction
to
us
to
evaluate
update
options
which
we
did
and
brought
that
report
back
to
you
last
september.
L
At
that
time
you
considered
those
options
and
authorized
staff
to
solicit
proposals
for
up
an
update
to
the
general
plan,
which
we
did
and
as
a
result
of
that
process
identified.
Raymond
associates
as
the
top
consultant
team
and
then
again,
at
your
last
meeting,
you
selected
raymond
associates
to
advise
you
on
this
topic.
L
So
what
is
a
general
plan
at
its
most
fundamental?
It
really
is
a
vision
about
the
future
and
that
vision
has
to
be
based
on
broad
community
engagement
that
results
in
a
clear
definition
of
community
values
and
priorities.
That's
the
heart
of
a
general
plan
update
the
value
of
it
and
mr
raimi
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
few
minutes.
L
Now,
stepping
down
or
going
down
a
few
thousand
feet
in
elevation,
but
still
at
a
high
level.
The
purpose
of
a
general
plan
is
to
provide
that
vision
based
on
community
input.
General
plan
updates.
When
we
talk
about
comprehensive
updates,
they
normally
have
a
15-year
horizon,
so
our
original
general
plan
adopted
in
1970
had
a
rise
into
1985..
That
was
the
the
the
planning
time
frame
for
it.
It
is
based
extensively
on
state
law
and
matt
will
talk
about
that
later
and,
of
course,
it
guides
all
of
us.
L
This
slide,
I
know
you've
seen
it
before,
but
it
just
bears
a
moment
of
reflection.
A
general
plan
is
composed
of
different
elements.
We
call
them
which
are
essentially
topics
and
those
in
turn,
as
shown
on
the
left
side
of
this
image
are
composed
of
both
required
topics
that
the
state
of
california
requires
that
we
discuss
that
every
city
and
the
county
in
this
in
the
state
discuss
you
can
see,
starting
with
land
use
and
going
all
the
way
down.
L
L
L
So
now
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
thousand
oaks
general
plan,
as
I
just
mentioned,
it
was
adopted
in
1970
and
that
that
document,
which
was
really
an
excellent
document
to
initially
guide
the
city
going
forward,
focused
on
three
areas:
land
use,
circulation
and
housing.
Those
were
key
elements.
The
city
was
looking
at
very
rapid
growth,
population
and
development
growth,
and
so
the
general
plan
focused
on
those
areas.
L
An
extensive
public
natural,
open
space
system
is
really
parks
and
golf
courses,
two
percent
in
1970
and,
as
you
know
today,
that
figure
is
is
almost
half
of
the
city
land
area,
45
percent,
when
you
combine
those
three
land
uses
and
another
interesting
difference
between
the
two
plans
just
to
illustrate-
and
this
is
the
main
point
here-
illustrate
how
communities
and
general
plans
evolve
over
time.
L
The
original
general
plan
envisioned
our
open
space
system
really
being
composed
of
parks,
golf
courses
and
very
low
density
residential
lots
would
actually
comprise
the
open
space
system
and
it
would
therefore
be
primarily
private
and
ownership
over
the
past
50
years.
That
has
changed
and,
as
you
know,
almost
our
entire
open
space
system
is
publicly
owned.
L
This
is
a
chart
that
it
shows
in
five-year
increments
the
elements
when
they
were
initially
adopted,
shown
in
yellow
on
the
left
side
generally
and
then
the
updates
in
the
amber
color.
So
as
you
can
see
on
the
left
side
again,
these
are
not
one
year
increments,
but
five
you
can
see
land
use
circulation,
housing
adopted
as
part
of
the
original
general
plan
1970..
L
Then
you
can
see
how
most
of
the
other
elements
both
required
and
optional
were
adopted
over
the
next
few
years
and
then
you
can
see
to
the
right
other
updates
to
those
elements
over
the
years,
and
if
you
look
just
on
the
update
side,
the
amber
colored
notations,
you
can
see
that
housing.
If
you
look
at
that
per
state
requirements,
cities
are
required
to
update
them
on
a
regular
basis.
L
We've
updated
our
housing
element
eight
times
since
1970.,
and
then
you
can
also
see
if
you
look
at
the
95
to
1999
bracket
bracket
this
this
one
right
here
you
can
see
we
updated
open
space
safety
conservation
in
at
one
time
and
then
land
use
in
circulation
a
year
later
and
then
over
here
you
can
see
that
we
updated
four
elements
within
basically
a
two
year
period
and
here
were
all
the
housing
elements
that
I
just
mentioned.
L
So
when
you
look
at
the
general
plan,
you
recognize
in
this
image
that
it's
composed
of
a
variety
of
elements
13
in
total
that
have
updated
more
or
less
near
the
same
point
in
time,
but
then
have
been
updated,
more
or
less
incrementally.
Since
then,.
L
So,
in
terms
of
our
current
general
plan,
a
few
highlights
based
on
the
update
schedule.
Many
of
our
elements
are
currently
out
of
date.
L
They're
in
need
of
revisiting
a
number
of
new
issues
are
not
reflected
in
our
general
plan
issues
such
as
resilience,
health,
affordable
housing,
etc,
and
then,
of
course,
the
current
general
plan
does
not
because
we
haven't
updated
the
land
use
and
other
key
elements
in
over
20
years
does
not
reflect
recent
planning
efforts,
the
downtown
specific
plan,
the
vision,
20
2064
program
and
other
other
activities,
the
cross
department,
boundaries
and
then,
finally,
our
general
plan,
to
be
candid,
is
really
not
that
user
friendly
it's
composed
of
a
number
of
different
physically
separate
documents,
they're,
not
they're,
not
part
of
one
document,
they're
not
prepared
in
the
same
format.
L
I
wanted
to
also
mention
the
general
plan
update
in
relation
to
measure
e
thousands
growth
measure.
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
that
measuring
remains
fully
in
effect
through
this
process,
no
matter
which
option
you
decide
to
go
forward
with,
and
one
of
the
key
aspects
of
the
general
plan
update
is
the
the
opportunity
to
bring
residential
capacity
down
to
a
more
realistic
number
that
reflects
as
built
densities,
that
we
see
in
our
neighborhoods.
L
I
mentioned
the
visioning
2064
project.
I
know
several
of
council
were
involved
in
that
in
the
past,
and
this
was
a
program
that
city
council
residents
staff
were
involved
in.
L
The
program
had
over
30
community
meetings
and
looked
at
these
areas
that
that
are
bulleted
here
from
municipal
services
down
through
economy,
environment
and
infrastructure,
and
the
results
of
that
that
effort
are
in
a
final
report
which
has
what
we
termed
guiding
principles
that
looked
out
then
in
terms
of
the
next
50
years,
and
what
should
be
the
guiding
principles
for
the
city
going
forward.
Many
of
those,
I
think,
would
be
a
great
starting
point
for
any
kind
of
general
plan
update.
L
J
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council,
thank
you
for
for
having
us
having
us
back
here
before
I
jump
into
the
to
the
part
of
the
presentation.
I
want
to
take
a
minute
and
recognize
the
members
of
our
team
who
are
here,
who
are
some
topical
experts
who
can
really
help
answer
questions
during
the
discussion.
J
So
first
we
have
simran
malhotra,
who
is
a
principal
with
raymond
associates
she
would
be
helping
out
a
lot
on
the
plan
to
her
right
is
is
melissa
johnson-stark,
who
some
of
you
may
recognize.
She
worked
on
the
downtown
master
plan
and
she
is
also
born
and
raised
here
in
thousand
oaks,
then
to
to
her
right.
J
We
have
greg
martin
from
rincon,
who
is
an
expert
in
environmental
impact
reports
and
and
open
space
to
his
right
is,
is
chester
britt
from
ariano
associates
and
they
are
experts
in
community
engagement
and
then
we
also
have
one
row
back
here:
amitabh
barthicore
from
hrna
who
is
an
expert
in
economics
and
then
of
course,
to
my
left
is
veronica
tam
with
veronica
hammond
associates,
who,
I
think
no
one
in
the
state
knows
more
about
housing
law
than
than
she
does
so.
First.
J
You're
you're
welcome
thanks
for
doing
it.
You
know,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
answer
just
about
any
and
all
questions
you
have
this
evening
and
if
not
we'll
bring
them
back
on
the
12th
or
whenever
the
next
meeting
is.
I
want
to
start
I'm
actually
going
to
I'm
far
enough
away
from
peter
that
I'm
going
to
go
off
script
for
a
second
here,
so
he
can't
reach
out
and
grab
me.
J
I'm
always
amazed
at
at
city
council
meetings
when
I
come
to
them
to
listen
to
the
range
of
comments
and
the
range
of
topics
that
come
up
because
as
a
practitioner
who
works
on
general
plans
just
about
every
topic
that
comes
up
really
relates
to
a
general
plan,
because
the
general
plan
is
the
constitution,
the
overall
constitution
of
the
community,
and
so
you
know
everything
really
everything
that
came
up
tonight
from
from
the
library
system
to
the
the
boy
scouts
who
who
just
left
who
hopefully
would
get
engaged
in
the
effort
you
know
now
or
in
the
future.
J
J
I'm
always
amazed
at
how
the
importance
that
a
general
plan
can
really
take
in
the
community
if
used
properly
and
so
sort
of
with
with
that,
as
the
as
the
backdrop
I
want
to
jump
in
here
and
just
start
with
a
going
over
and
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
is
is
just
a
few
of
the
benefits
that
a
general
plan
and
up-to-date
general
plan
can
have,
and
you
know,
as
you
know,
we
we
are
gonna
later
talk
about
three
different
options:
a
housing
element,
really
housing
element,
focus
only
option
a
focused
update
and
a
comprehensive
update.
J
So
this
really
the
the
benefits.
The
range
of
benefits
that
you
get
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
vary
based
on
which
option
that
you
pick
so
just
sort
of
know
that
and
know
that
now,
as
we're
going
into
it,
and
so
the
five
benefits
that
we're
going
to
touch
on
one
is
to
the
purpose
of
the
general
plan
and
what
it
can
really
achieve
is
to
help
helping
to
preserve
and
enhance
the
quality
of
life
in
the
community
and
at
its
core.
That's
really
what
the
general
plan
is
about.
J
J
The
fourth
is
to
incorporate
state
required
general
plan
regulations,
and
there
have
been
quite
a
few
and
then
the
fifth
and-
and
you
know
I
think,
along
with
the
first,
I
think
it's
really
one
of
the
most
important
is
to
have
a
community
conversation
about
the
future,
so
starting
off
the
first
in
terms
of
preserving
and
enhancing
the
quality
of
life
in
in
the
city.
J
So
there
are
at
its
core.
A
general
plan
is
about
identifying
the
aspects
of
the
community
that
people
love
and
want
to
preserve
it's
about
identifying
the
issues
or
threats
to
the
quality
of
life
and
then
making
sure
that
those
issues
are
addressed
and
that
the
quality
of
life
in
the
community
is
maintained
in
the
future,
and
so
you
know
at
its
core.
J
That's
really
what
the
general
plan
is
about
and
and
general
plans
can,
as
we
talked
about
previously,
can
be
organized
in
in
any
number
of
ways,
but
it's
really
trying
to
achieve
the
preservation.
Enhancement
of
quality
life
in
a
community
through
land
use,
transportation
parks,
open
space
conservation
through
all
of
these
topics,
so
some
of
the
ones
that
that
we
know
are
really
critical
to
the
community
are,
are
strengthening
and
preserving
open
space
and
natural
areas
in
the
community.
J
There
are
there's
a
need
to
really
look
at
and
mitigating
natural
hazards,
fire
and
earthquake,
and
and
now
there's
new
state
requirements
that
we'll
talk
about
for
climate
change
and
adaptation.
General
plans
are
also
really
an
opportunity.
J
They
focus
a
lot
on
on
land
use
and
transportation,
so
really
an
opportunity
to
identify
areas
of
the
community
that
should
remain
stable
and
areas
of
a
community
that
could
evolve
over
time.
That
maybe
could
have
development
added
or
could
be
different
at
some
point
in
the
future,
and
you
know
in
a
community
like
thousand
oaks.
J
There
are
other
other
topics
about
that
really
could
be
addressed
in
the
general
plan
about
preserving
and
enhancing
the
quality
of
life,
including
implementing
the
vision
of
the
downtown,
expanding,
a
focus
on
arts
and
culture,
and
I
believe
the
existing
general
plan
doesn't
actually
mention
it
very
much.
At
this
point.
J
There
is
a
need
to
talk
about
expanding
the
biotech
industry
and
other
economic
development
activities
addressing
sustainability
and
public
health
and
expanding
the
multimodal
transportation
network.
So
again,
these
are
all
aspects
of
of
topics
that
could
be
discussed
in
the
general
plan
that
would
preserve
and
enhance
the
quality
of
life.
J
The
second
benefit
of
updating
the
general
plan
is
to
ensure
long-term
fiscal
sustainability
without
going
into
too
much
detail
at
this
point
in
the
presentation-
and
we
can
circle
back
to
this-
and
amitabh
can
can
answer
questions
about
this.
J
But
there's
a
strong
tie
between
the
land
use
decisions
that
a
community
makes
the
fiscal
sustainability
in
the
long
term
of
the
community
and
then
the
the
public
services
that
are
provided
by
the
community-
and
you
know
quite
simply
the
the
land
use
decisions
can
can
hurt,
can
impact
in
positive
or
negative
ways
the
amount
of
revenue
coming
into
the
city,
and
so
that
impacts
fiscal
sustainability
and
things
of
course,
change
over
time.
J
And
then
we
want
to
make
sure
costs
are
always
going
up
for
the
provision
of
public
services.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
revenues
are
coming
into
the
city
that
enable
the
community
and
the
city
to
provide
the
continued
high
level
of
public
services
that
you
have
now.
And
so
that's
why
the
fiscal
sustainability
is
really
important
to
look
at
holistically
in
the
city
rather
than
on
project
by
project
decisions
and
general
plans
really
give
you
the
opportunity
to
do
this.
J
The
next
is
the
to
proactively
take
control
of
housing
decisions,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
veronica.
To
talk
about
this.
Thank
you.
M
Good
evening
staff
and
matt
asked
me
to
talk
about
the
housing
element,
and
particularly
the
challenges
that
you
may
face
in
the
upcoming
cycle
of
the
housing
element
update
as
staff
mentioned.
This
housing
element
is
part
of
your
general
plan.
It's
part
of
the
eight
required
elements.
M
M
The
next
update
that
we're
looking
at
is
october,
15,
2021
and
there's
a
a
slight
grace
period,
but
you
really
cannot
miss
that
deadline.
The
other
thing
that
sets
the
housing
element,
apart
from
the
rest
of
the
general
plan,
is
that
it
has
to
be
reviewed
by
a
state
agency
for
compliance
of
state
law.
The
agency
responsible
for
that
review
is
the
state
department
of
housing
and
community
development
hcd.
M
Well,
it
looks
at
hcd,
looks
at
the
entire
housing
element,
but
the
most
critical
component
of
hcd's
review
is
something
called.
The
regional
housing
needs
allocation
now,
by
definition
by
name
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
Is
the
share
of
the
region's
housing
needs
that
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
has
to
be
responsible
for
every
single
jurisdiction
in
the
state
is
given
an
allocation,
and
you
must
find
ways
to
accommodate
that
through
providing
adequate
sites
with
appropriate
densities
and
development
standards,
there's
virtually
no
jurisdiction
that
can
get
a
housing
element.
M
That's
deemed
complying
with
state
law
without
meeting
this
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
Now,
if
you're
unable
to
find
adequate
sites
for
this
particular
arena,
housing
element
update
that
shortfall
actually
rose
over
as
a
penalty
for
the
following
upcoming
for
the
following
regional
housing
needs
allocation
of
the
housing
element
update
the
really.
The
challenge
that
we're
going
to
face
in
this
next
update
is
that
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation
is
going
to
be
larger
than
last
time.
M
One
being
the
fact
that
if
you
don't
have
production,
if
your
housing
growth
was
limited
in
the
past
cycle
of
the
past
few
years,
it's
not
a
justification
for
getting
a
less
lower
number
for
your
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
It
also
means
that
state
law
right
new
state
law
allows
your
neighbors
to
appeal.
Your
draft
number,
when
you
receive
your
draft
regional
housing
needs
allocation
from
skag.
M
Your
neighbors
can
appeal
your
number
if
they
feel
that
it's
not
an
equitable
share
within
the
region,
so
updating
the
housing
element
this
round.
We
really
and
anticipate
that
the
city
would
need
to
revisit
its
land
use
policies
and
looking
at
its
growth
management
policies
and
deciding
in
order
to
meet
your
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
M
As
I
mentioned
before,
there's
virtually
no
jurisdiction
that
can
have
a
housing
element
that
complies
with
state
law
without
meeting
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
Now,
what
does
that
mean
when
you
don't
have
a
housing
element
that
complies
with
state
law?
It
basically
renders
your
general
plan
invalid,
because
your
housing
element
is
an
integral
component
of
your
general
plan.
When
you
have
in
an
integral
component
of
your
general
plan
being
out
of
compliance
with
state
law,
it
renders
your
entire
general
plan
invalid.
M
It
also
means
that
you
would
not
be
eligible
for
some
state
funds.
Increasingly,
the
state,
housing
and
community
development
department
is
putting
more
state
funds
that
are
in
the
control
to
be
contingent
upon
your
compliance
to
state
law.
If
you're
not
complying
with
state
law,
you
would
not
be
eligible
to
apply
one
being
the
state
sb2
funds
that
functions
almost
like
a
lock
grant.
As
long
as
you
apply,
you
will
get
it,
but
if
you
don't
have
a
compliant
housing
element,
you
will
not
be
eligible
to
apply
litigation.
M
New
state
law
also
allows
the
state
agency
hcd
to
refer
any
non-compliant
jurisdiction
to
a
state
attorney
general
and
the
state
attorney
general
can
bring
litigation
against
the
community.
And,
lastly,
one
of
the
things
that
happens
with
communities
is
that
if
the
housing
element
is
out
of
compliance,
then
the
sb-35
that
was
passed
in
2017
automatically
kicks
in
that
requires
jurisdictions
to
do
not
streamlines
their
multifamily
approval
being
ministerial
with
no
discretionary
review.
So
there's
been
about
10
projects
in
the
states
that
are
processing
under
sb
35
right.
M
Now
that
actually
concludes
my
portion
of
the
of
the
presentation
I'll
pass
it
back
to
matt.
J
Okay,
thanks
veronica
veronica
is
clearly
talking
about
one
aspect
of
the
general
plan.
One
thing
that
has
happened
that
happens
every
year,
but
but
actually
more
so
recently,
is
that
the
state
is
coming
up
with
new
laws,
all
the
time
and
new
laws
that
must
be
incorporated
into
the
general
plan.
This
slide
here.
You
know
I
apologize
if
it.
If
you
can't
read
it,
there's
a
lot.
This
is
mostly
in
the
last
10
years.
J
The
housing
is
really
in
the
last
few
years
overall,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
of
new
or
you
know,
new
in
quotes
from
state
legislation
that
needs
to
be
integrated
into
the
the
general
plan,
and
so
the
the
reality
is
that
there
are
there,
because
of
the
time
as
mark
talked
about
the
time
frame
at
which
the
general
plan
has
been
has
been
updated
over
time.
J
There
are
quite
a
number
of
state
laws
that
are
not
incorporated
into
and
reflected
in
in
the
plan,
and
so,
as
veronica
said,
the
the
plan
is
at
this
point
out
of
compliance
with
with
state
law.
The
the
topics
here
really
there's
a
lot
about
housing
relatively
recently.
There
are
there's
a
and
I'll
talk
about
this
in
a
second
but
a
new
requirement
for
environmental
justice.
J
There's
requirements
for
complete
streets
to
make
sure
that
that
all
the
entire
transportation
network
is
not
just
for
cars,
but
for
cars
and
bikes
and
pedestrians.
So
it's
more
of
a
balanced
transportation
system.
There
have
been
quite
a
number
of
of
recent
legislations
around
safety,
fire
flooding
and
then
also
around
climate
change
and
resilience.
J
There
are
requirements
for
consulting
with
native
american
tribes
in
the
process
and
establishing
relationships.
There
are
sequa,
california,
environmental
quality
act
requirements.
So
there's
a
lot
that
really
has
happened
here
that
that
needs
to
be
reflected
in
the
plan.
J
One
of
the
ones
to
to
mention
all
is
is
the
environmental
justice
element,
and
this
actually
was
adopted
in
2016,
and
the
idea
is
that
general
plans
need
to
take
into
consideration
those
in
the
community
who
typically,
who
have
disproportionate
health
burdens
and
so
the
environmental
justice
element.
J
You
know
this
can
be
called
any
number
of
things,
but
environmental
justice
element
needs
to
be
incorporated
into
the
general
plan
when
two
or
more
elements
are
are
updated
on
or
after
january,
1st
2018.
it
can
be.
As
I
said,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
called
the
environmental
justice
element
it
can
be,
it
can
be
called
community
health,
it
can
be
a
separate
element
or
it
can
be
incorporated
into
other
elements,
but
this
is
a
relatively
new
and
an
important
requirement
that
will
be
part
of
general
plans.
J
Our
preliminary
analysis,
it
it
really
is
limited.
You
know
all
communities
have
to
look
at
this,
but
it's
limited
to
areas
of
the
community
or
cities
that
have
populations
that
are
disproportionately
impacted
and
based
on
our
preliminary
assessment.
The
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
actually
does
have
areas
that
are
subject
to
sb1000.
J
The
fifth
benefit,
and
again
I
think
this
is
probably
the
one
of
the
most
important
benefits
of
a
general
plan.
Is
it
really
allows
the
community
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
future?
You
know
the
the
the
original
general
plan
land
use
in
circulation
was
adopted
in
1970.
It's
a
beautiful
document.
J
The
the
community
has
changed
over
time,
as
mark
talked
about
and,
and
the
general
plan
really
provides
that
opportunity
for
the
community
to
come
together
and
be
visionary
about
what
the
community
should
should
be,
and
that's
probably
the
process
that
happened
in
in
1970
as
well
and
leading
up
to
1970..
It's
really
important.
We
really
ask
these
in
questions
questions
at
the
beginning
of
what
is
important
to
the
community
today.
J
We
really
start
with
that
in
the
process
to
make
sure
that
everything
that
the
communities,
the
entire
community's
voice
is
heard
in
this
process.
We
ask
what,
where
areas
of
stability,
where
should
the?
J
Where
should
there
be
no
land
use
changes?
We
ask
for
questions
of
where,
if
there,
if
there
is
going
to
be
change-
and
we
know
that
change
is
always
happening,
and
you
know
we
heard
that
with
the
7-11
conversation
today,
you
know
if
there
are
going
to
be
changes.
What
are
the
areas
where
those
changes
should
happen
where
land
use
land
uses
should
happen,
and
then
what
should
the
change?
Look
like?
What
should
the
uses
be
that
are
there
or
should
it
be,
you
know,
should
it
be
mixed
use?
Should
it
be
commercial?
J
The
the
we
a
lot
of
the
time
that
we
spend
on
a
general
plan
is
not
necessarily
just
doing
the
technical
work
and-
and
there
certainly
is
a
lot
of
that,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
really
engaging
with
the
community
to
have
this
community
conversation
it
brings.
The
general
plan
is
really
an
opportunity.
J
I'm
always
I'm
always
impressed
and
surprised
that
at
the
ability
of
a
general
plan
process
to
bring
the
community
together
to
develop
new
leaders
in
the
community
to
hear
new
voices-
and
that's
really
what
this
would
be
about-
it's
about
empowering
the
community
in
the
decision-making
process.
J
It's
about
building
local
capacity,
transparency
and
community
connectedness,
and
we
embark
on
a
process
where
we
start
with
listening
and
learning.
We,
then
we
outreach
to
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we're
telling
as
many
people
as
possible
about
the
process,
because
we
don't
want
the
future
to
be
decided
by
a
small
number.
We
want
the
future
to
be
decided
by
as
many
people
as
possible.
Coming
together,
we
engage
with,
we
engage
the
community,
we
seek
input
and
then
we
allow
the
community
to
be
part
of
the
decision
making
process.
J
There's
a
lot
of
techniques
that
we
use
to
do
this.
We
call
our
process,
we
think
about
it
as
as
high
high
high
tech,
low
touch
and
low
tech,
low
touch
high
tech.
So
we
think
about
all
of
these
different
ways
of
engaging
the
community,
because
everybody
learns
differently,
and
so
we
have
we'd
have
a
website.
We'd
have
online
surveys.
We'd
have
stakeholder
meetings,
focus
groups,
community
forums,
public
workshops,
pop-up
workshops
again.
J
You
know,
as
we
talked
about,
it's
also
the
opportunity
to
think
about
what
trade-offs
need
to
be
made
when
you
think
about
fiscal
resources
you
need
to,
as,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there's
a
trade-off
between
the
types
of
uses
coming
in
and
the
revenues
that
they
generate
and
then
a
direct
line
between
that
and
the
public
services
that
are
provided.
So
it
allows
in
the
general
plan
process
that
allows
you
to
make
these
connections
that
you
don't
necessarily
get
to
make
all
the
time.
It's
also
an
opportunity.
J
You
did
this
great
engagement
through
the
2064
visioning
process.
Engagement
here
would
really
build
off
of
that,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
great
information
that
came
out
of
that
process,
as
I
also
want
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
some
successes,
that
of
general
plans,
because
I
know
that
that
there
is
some.
You
know
it's
a
a
general
plan
is
a
lot
of
work.
J
It
takes
a
lot
of
time,
but
you
know
from
my
professional
experience
I
I
know
it
can
produce
tremendous
benefits
for
a
community,
and
so
I'm
going
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
projects
just
very
quickly
and
highlight
a
few
things
in
that
may
be
of
interest
to
you
all.
So
one
is
the
hermosa
beach
general
plan.
You
all
know
probably
hermosa
beach.
J
It's
a
kind
of
a
quintessential
california
community,
they're,
very
I'm
very
proud
of
what
they
have
they're
very
concerned
about
change
in
the
community,
and
so
in
this
process
we
we
led
a
an
engagement
effort
that
was
really
focused
again
on
starting
really
with
the
values
in
the
community
and-
and
here
there
was
so
much
time
spent
on
cataloging
the
great
things
in
the
community
and
then
identifying
the
neighborhoods
and
the
areas
that
they
said.
No,
absolutely
no
change.
Here,
we
love
this.
J
J
We
were
able
to
engage
in
a
conversation
about
this
really
difficult
question
of
growth
and
identify
a
very
limited
amount
of
growth
in
the
community,
but
one
that
would
produce
benefits
for
for
the
residents
both
now
as
well
as
in
the
next.
You
know,
20
to
30
years,
because
the
general
plan
is
really
about
the
next
generation
of
people
living
in
the
community.
The
next
example
is
the
mountain
view.
J
General
plan-
and
actually
this
is
where
years
ago
I
actually
met
peter
gilley
when
peter
was
working
there
and
we
were
working
on
the
general
plan.
What
what
was
really
amazing
to
me
about
this
process
was,
we
were
really
able
to
identify
a
few
select
areas
where
growth
was
going
to
go
and
thai
tie
that
growth
to
benefits
that
the
community
would
get,
and
so
for
those
who
don't
know
in
the
sort
of
the.
J
If
you
see
the
map
on
the
right,
the
the
the
purple
area
up
top
is
actually
where
a
small
little
company
called
google
has
their
headquarters.
J
And
so
a
lot
of
this
was
you
know,
capitalizing
on
the
the
technology
and
and
the
high-tech
industries
that
are
here
in
mountain
view
and
then
trying
to
balance
the
growth
in
technology
and
the
jobs
with
issues
like
traffic
congestion,
with
housing,
affordability
and
with
quality
of
life.
And
what
happened
here
was
really
a
very
clear
identification
of
what
growth
would
happen
in
different
areas
and
exactly
what
that
would
be
in
the
benefits
that
would
come
out
of
that
growth.
And
there
was
a
a
very
large
engagement
process
and
people.
J
You
know,
hundreds
of
people
came
out
to
community
meetings
to
talk
about
this,
and
and
people
got
to
then
really
create
their
own
city
and
and
were
able
to
make
these
trade-offs.
J
J
But
what
was
really
incredible
here
was
that
there
there
were
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
type
of
growth
that
would
happen
in
this
community
and
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
about
gentrification
and-
and
I
think
that
actually
with
with
this
process
for
for
any
project,
I've
ever
worked
on
had
just
about
the
most
amount
of
engagement,
but
what
it
did,
which
was
really
powerful.
Was
it
actually
enabled
through
all
of
this
engagement
and
the
education?
J
It
enabled
a
whole
new
generation
of
community
leaders
to
rise
up
and
think
about
what
their
community
would
be
like,
and
people
who
were
engaged
in
the
general
plan,
who
were
part
of
the
general
plan
process
are
now
members
of
the
planning
commission
and
are
really
active
in
the
community,
and
so
it
was
really
a
powerful
way
to
think
about
a
general
plan
as
being
able
to
produce
a
real
benefit
for
the
community
and
then
the
last
one
is
west
hollywood.
J
J
As
you
can
see
here,
those
are
primarily
the
residential
areas
of
the
community
and
what
was
really
decided
was
that
there
would
be
a
very
limited
amount
of
development
really
consistent
with
existing
zoning
in
that
area
and
in
some
places
it
was
actually
down
zoned
to
match
what
the
land
uses
were
on
the
ground
and
then,
instead,
a
limited
amount
of
growth
was
focused
on
the
transportation
corridor.
So
it
was
really
focused
in
a
limited
number
of
areas
and
that
actually
enabled
really
a
community
conversation.
J
So
those
are
just
four
examples.
I
I
wanna
shift
gears
a
little
and
talk
about
the
four
op.
The
three
options
that
we
wanna
bring
forward
to
you,
as
as
possibilities
for
the
the
general
plan
update
process.
J
So
the
three
options
are
the
housing
element
and
then
other
required
updates
a
focus,
update
and
a
comprehensive
update
and
I'll
just
walk
through
the
differences
between
these
and
and
I
I
apologize.
I
know
it
can
get
a
little
bit
technical,
I'm
here,
and
so
you
know
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
this.
If
you
have
questions
or
want
me
to
go
back,
I'm
happy
to
to
continue
to
describe
these.
J
So
the
first
option
is
the
housing
element
and
other
required
elements.
We
as
you'll,
see
here.
We
can't
just
do
a
housing
element,
we
can't
just
say
we're
going
to
update
the
housing
element
and
that's
the
end,
because
once
you
start
doing
one,
it's
kind
of
like
a
a
thread
that
you
pull
things
start
to
unravel
and
you
have
to
do
more
and
more
requirements
per
state
law.
J
So
what
this
option
would
entail
is
updating
the
housing
element
and,
as
veronica
mentioned
meeting,
the
arena
numbers
would
probably
require
changes
to
land
use
designations
in
the
city
to
accommodate
the
housing
that
would
be
required
per
state
law.
And
then,
once
you
do
that
you're,
of
course,
getting
into
some
of
these
conversations
about.
Where
does
growth
go?
And
what
does
it
look
like?
J
The
city
is
going
to
have
to
do
an
analysis
of
county
islands
and
look
at
potentially
how
those
county
islands
can
be
incorporated
into
the
city
and
really
or
ways
to
bring
up
the
quality
of
life
for
residents
in
those
areas
and
to
clarify
county
islands
are
areas
that
that
are
county
land
completely
surrounded
by
the
city,
and
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
does
have
county
islands.
J
The
next
piece
of
this
would
be
the
safety
element.
The
safety
element
was
last
updated
in
2014,
which
doesn't
seem
that
long
ago,
but
of
course
the
state
actually
has
made
some
changes
and
some
requirements
since
then,
which
is
to
add
climate
change
and
resilience,
and
that
needs
to
be
done
by
january,
1st
2022,
which
essentially
lines
up
pretty
close
with
the
timing
that
the
that
the
housing
element
needs
to
be
done.
J
Then,
because
you
are
updating
two
or
possibly
three
elements
that
triggers
the
need
to
do
an
environmental
justice
element
or
to
address
the
topics
of
environmental
justice.
So
this
this
option
wouldn't
just
be
housing.
It
would
be
housing
plus
some
changes
to
land
use,
plus
some
changes
to
safety
and
doing
environmental
justice
and,
of
course,
there's
always
sql
review,
as
well
as
whatever
level
of
engagement
you
would
want
to
see
out
of
this.
J
The
the
city
would
update
comprehensively
the
housing
element,
the
land
use
element,
the
circulation
element,
and
once
you
update
the
circulation
elements
when
you
have
to
address
things
like
complete
streets
which
the
complete
streets
requirement,
the
environmental
justice
element
and
then
well
not
required,
but
given
its
importance,
we
also
would
recommend
adding
a
strong
focus
on
economic
development,
and
here
in
the
focused
update,
it
would
be
integrated
into
the
land
use
element
rather
than
as
a
standalone
economic
development
element.
J
And
then
we
also
would
need
to
update
the
safety
element,
as
I
mentioned,
to
deal
with
climate
change
and
resilience
your
head
spinning.
Yet
for
these
options,
then
the
the
last
one,
this
one's
simple
in
comparison.
Essentially,
we
would
look
at
the
entire
and
actually,
let
me
go
back
to
the
to
the
focused
update.
All
of
the
other
elements
would
essentially
remain
the
same,
so
you
would
have
a
standalone
conservation
element,
a
standalone,
open
space
element.
The
noise
element
from
2000
would
remain
the
same.
J
Clearly,
the
work
that's
been
done
recently
on
on
safety
on
open
space
conservation
and
community
forests
would
be
incorporated
into
it,
but
it
would
be
brought
in
so
it
would
be
as
if
it
would
read
like
the
other
elements
so
that
you
could
actually
have
a
single
document
that
you
would
pick
up
and
it
would
be
consistent
from
cover
to
cover,
and
so
you
know,
all
of
the
elements
would
would
be
touched,
some
more
so
and
some
less
so
and
with
with
this
there,
the
optional
elements
of
I
mentioned
community
forest,
but
social
scenic
highways,
public
buildings,
public
services.
J
These
could
be
integrated
into
other
elements
or
they
could
be
deleted
entirely
in
their
entirety.
If,
if
the
you
all
felt
like
it
was
necessary
to
do
that
and
with
a
comprehensive
update,
there
is
also
the
possibility
to
add
sustainability
topics,
new
elements
like
sustainability
or
arts
and
culture.
You
know,
of
course
you
could
do
that
on
on
any
tuesday.
You
could
add
an
element,
but
but
this
would
really
be
the
opportunity
to
again
look
at
it.
Look
at
the
plan
in
its
entirety.
J
Of
course,
any
ir
would
be
required
for
for
this
sequa
review
and
also
this
would
entail
actually
both
the
focused
and
the
comprehensive
would.
We
would
recommend
a
very
comprehensive
community
engagement
process
because,
again
engaging
the
community
in
these
decisions
is
really
one
of
the
most
critical
aspects.
J
It
also,
as
you
know,
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
to
do
just
a
few
comments
on
a
few
on
sequa
considerations.
So
the
california
environmental
quality
act,
the
the
focused
and
the
comprehensive
update
would
absolutely
require
an
environmental
impact
report.
Traffic
impact
analysis,
traffic
analysis
is
going
to
be
part
of
that
and
there's
new
state
law
that
you
actually
have
to
do
what's
called
vehicle
miles.
Traveled
analysis
there's
new
guidance
on
that,
so
that
would
need
to
be
brought
into
this.
J
We
would
also
recommend
that,
given
the
level
of
change,
that's
happening
even
in
the
the
housing
element,
plus
other
required
changes,
that
an
eir
would
be
advisable
to
do,
because
the
er
really
provides
significant
protection
against
legal
challenges.
My
understanding
that
the
1970
plan
actually
didn't
have
any
ir
associated
with
it.
J
So
it
really
would
be
advisable
to
to
do
an
eir
with
any
of
these
options
and
just
to
make
sure
that
you
have
legal
coverage
and
especially
because,
with
the
with
the
housing
element,
option
you're
going
to
be
touching
multiple
elements.
There's
the
potential
for
land,
there's,
probably
going
to
be
land,
use
changes
in
certain
areas.
So
with
those
changes,
we
would
really
recommend
it
that
you,
the
environmental
impact
report,
occur.
L
Thank
you
matt.
This
is
actually
our
last
image
in
tonight's
presentation
and
the
the
goal
is
to
look
at
several
of
the
benefits
that
matt
just
mentioned
from
a
a
general
plan,
update
see
how
those
vary
across
the
three
options
that
were
just
described
and
then
talk
about
time
frame
and
cost
as
well.
L
Obviously,
as
you
go
from
that
more
limited
option
to
the
focused
option,
where
elements
would
be
updated
in
their
entirety,
that
topic
becomes
by
definition,
broader,
because
more
issues
are
dealt
with
and
they're
dealt
with
and
greater
depth,
and
then
it
reaches
its
its
greatest
potential
scope
in
the
comprehensive
in
terms
of
community
vision.
Where
I
started
off
my
my
comments
tonight.
Clearly,
there
is
a
component
of
that
to
the
housing
and
related
element
update,
but
again,
like
quality
of
life.
L
I
would
posit
that
that
increases
in
in
in
breadth
and
depth
as
one
goes
from
focus
to
a
comprehensive
update.
L
Compliance
with
state
laws
is
simply
a
factor
of
the
scope
of
the
update,
whatever
option
the
council
chooses
that
those
elements
will
clearly
be
in
compliance
with
state
law
in
terms
of
time
frame,
the
housing
and
related
elements,
the
process
to
update
those
would
take
about
a
year
and
a
half,
and
that
would
begin
in
earnest
as
we
begin
to
get
numbers
from
from
skag
in
terms
of
what
the
city's
arena
numbers
might
be.
L
Finally,
in
terms
of
cost
preliminary
estimates
for
these
three
options
are
shown
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide.
The
housing
related
elements
cost
is
approximately
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
the
cost
for
a
focused
update,
approximately
1.3
million,
and
for
a
comprehensive
update,
1.5
million
and
the
heart
of
these
costs
across
the
board.
L
Typically,
our
community
engagement
and,
of
course,
the
eir,
at
least
for
the
focus
and
comprehensive
and
most
likely,
would
be
the
best
course
of
option
even
for
the
housing
and
related
elements,
and
when
we
do
talk
about
cost.
I
think
it
is
important
to
recognize
that
this
is
a
document
if
council
were
to
opt
for
the
focused
or
comprehensive
that
essentially
looks
out
15
years,
so
those
costs,
I
think
realistically,
can
be
amortized
over
that
time
frame.
The
actual
costs
can
be
met
in
several
different
ways.
A
L
So
with
that
staff
is
available
for
questions
matt
and
veronica,
the
entire
team
here
we're
at
your
disposal.
You
have
a
great
team
and
two
of
the
top
state
experts
in
on
general
plans
and
housing
elements.
So
I
would
encourage
a
range
of
questions.
B
Thank
you
so
much
just
to
remind
the
council
that
tonight
we're
not
deciding
on
either
of
the
three
options,
we're
simply
gaining
understanding
so
that
we
can
make
a
decision
at
our
next
council
meeting
and
to
keep
in
mind
that,
with
the
state
usurping
our
autonomy
in
a
greater
capacity,
we
need
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
a
plan
to
stay
ahead
of
that,
and
hopefully
some
of
the
questions
tonight.
I
would
hope
that
if
it's
my
understanding
with
hcd,
it
doesn't
recognize
local
growth
control
measurements.
B
H
Thank
you
mayor,
quick
question.
I
think
to
matt.
Probably
is
the
best
the
source
for
this
one,
the
I
think,
unfortunately
named
environmental
justice
title.
Can
you
go
into
what
that
is
and
why
it's
important
for
us
to
look
into
that.
J
Yeah,
you
know,
with
with
any
of
these
topics,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
background
to
it.
It
really
evolved
out
of
the
a
movement
of
creating
healthy
communities
and,
along
with
that,
movement
of
creating
healthy
communities
was
the
recognition
that
some
populations
bear
a
disproportionate
impact
of
health
and
environmental
burdens
such
as
pollution,
and
so
the
state
actually
just
recently
issued
draft
guidance
for
for
sb
1000
for
the
environmental
justice
element.
J
But
really
it
is
supposed
to
look
at
the
areas
within
a
community
that
have
a
disproportionate
pollution
burden
that
is
are
near
to
different
sources
of
pollution.
It
looks
at
at
areas
where
the
income
level
is
low
relative
to
the
entire
state,
and
it
looks
at
levels
of
poverty
and
there's
different
ways
of
of
sort
of
measuring
this,
and
the
state
really
is
just
coming
out
with
this
guidance,
which
is
why
it's
not
possible
to
definitively
say
you
know.
Yes,
the
the
city
does.
J
However,
we
we
actually
have
been
working
with
some
folks
to
identify
where
there's
a
software
package
and
they
have
been
working
with
the
state
and
they
have
draft
sort
of
looked
at.
The
draft
guidance
and
we've
been
able
to
get
that
data
and
there
are
areas
in
the
city
that
look
like
they
are
subject
to
this.
So
the
city,
the
city,
would
be
required
to
do
environmental
justice.
J
It
looks
at
disproportionate
pollution
burden,
it
looks
at
health
outcomes,
it
looks
at
income
disparities
and,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know,
environmental
justice
isn't
necessarily
the
best
term
for
this
and
you
can
you
really
just
have
to
look
at
the
topics
you
can
call
it.
You
can
incorporate
it
into
other
elements.
You
can
call
it
healthy
communities
if
you
want
so
long
as
you
are
addressing
the
topics
of
concern.
G
Thank
you,
mayor
mccoy.
I
have
a
few
questions,
starting
with
the
economic
development
element
that
you're
suggesting
should
be
included
in
land
use.
Now.
Economic
development
in
thousand
oaks,
as
with
other
cities,
is
pretty
wide-ranging.
G
It
includes
culture
and
the
arts,
I'm
I'm
wondering
whether
the
economic
development
element
should
be
included
or
in
integrated
with
land
use
or
separately
to
include
culture
and
arts,
because
cultured
arts
are
not
required
by
the
state,
but
certainly
very
important.
2,
000
oaks
and
other
communities
is
that
something
that
could
be
done
separately.
J
Yeah
absolutely
again,
the
state
has
eight
required
elements
and
when
the
state
says
they
have
eight
required
elements,
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to
have
a
topic
for
each
of
those
eight
or
a
chapter
for
each
of
those
eight,
and
you
also
can
add
any
topic
that
you
want,
and
it
is
really
up
to
each
jurisdiction
to
organize
the
general
plan
in
any
way
that
you
want
and
to
include
topics
any
number
of
topics
that
you
want
and
in
fact
before
we
just
mentioned
environmental
justice
before
this
actually
became
law
for
10
plus
years.
J
Practitioners,
like
myself,
were
creating
healthy
communities,
elements
that
dealt
with
those
same
topics
and
then
it
became
state
law.
So
you
know
yes,
there's
a
very
strong
connection
between
economic
development
and
arts
and
culture.
If
you
wanted,
you
could
do
a
separate
economic
development
element,
a
separate
arts
and
culture
element.
You
can
combine
the
two
together,
it's
really
up
to
you
and
you
know,
I
think,
ultimately,
part
of
the
conversation
is,
you
know.
Should
you
choose
to
to
you
know
whichever
path
you
choose,
whether
it's
the
housing?
J
G
Well,
since
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
has
not
done
a
general
plan
update
and
there
are
now
state
mandated
elements,
it
makes
sense
to
me
to
do
a
comprehensive
plan,
since
the
price
difference
between
a
focused
and
comprehensive
plan
is
is,
is
really
not
as
as
as
much
versus
just
doing
the
existing
elements,
I'm
not
sure
whether
I'd
like
to
pay
just
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
I'm
not
sure
whether
it
gets
us
to
where
we
need
to
be
in
this
day
and
age.
G
G
G
Regarding
housing,
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
communities
have
different
needs.
One
size
does
not
fit
all
and
to
be
forced
to
come
up
with
certain
numbers
of
of
housing
units
is
something
that
I
have
protested
for
many
years.
It's
something
that
I'm
complete
disagreement
with
the
state.
Perhaps
it's
time
for
the
cities
in
california
to
take
a
stand
against
the
arena
numbers
it
really.
We
have
to
take
action.
G
We
cannot
continue
to
let
sacramento
dictate
as
to
what
we
need
to
do
in
our
communities,
and
I
hear
that
there
are
housing
units
available
in
the
inland
empire,
homes
that
have
been
built,
thousands
of
homes
that
are
st,
that
are
now
vacant,
they're
not
being
occupied,
and
I
there
is
a
housing
crisis.
I
realize
that,
and
that
is
leading
to
homelessness
and
we're
dealing
with
homelessness
as
well.
G
G
K
Yeah,
I
did
understand
we
weren't
taking
any
action
tonight,
question
period
right
right,
okay,
very
good!
So
before
I
start
just
for
a
to
anchor
us
as
to
what
we're
talking
about
this
all
started,
I
don't
know
maybe
a
year
ago,
maybe
a
little
longer
when
we
had
the
debate
about
measure
e
and
as
it
says
in
the
staff
report,
the
1996
general
plan
land
use
element
map
that
serves
as
the
basis
of
measure
e
allows
more
growth
in
the
city
than
is
reasonably
expected.
K
K
Okay,
just
want
to
ground
us
in
that
situation.
So
to
answer
that
question
would
in
fact
a
comprehensive
update
of
the
housing
and
land
use
elements.
K
K
K
L
So
what
what
I
was
just
thinking
of
was
that
the
the
land
use
changes
to
be
so
that
we're
clear
that
would
result
from
just
a
housing
element
focus
would
be
those
land
use,
changes
as
needed
to
accommodate
reno.
K
K
City,
okay,
I'll
give
you
that,
but
those
are
the
two
elements:
okay.
Secondly,
the
state
has
been
mentioned
a
number
of
times
here
and
I
can
certainly
understand
why
there's
talk
that
the
transportation
dollars
could
be
withheld
for
failure
to
build
enough
homes.
There's
talk
about
building
around
transit
hubs.
There's
talk.
Let's
talk
about
a
lot
of
density,
there's
talk
about
linking
housing
and
transportation.
K
There's
talk
about
a
lot
of
what
we
might
consider
to
be
punitive
measures
to
try
to
get
us
to
build
housing,
whereas
you
know
like
any
city,
we
want
to
build
where
we
want
to
build
and
what
we
want
to
build.
Okay.
So
to
me
the
biggest
issue:
we're
looking
at
right
now
is
the
direction
the
stage
is
going
and
how
we
should
respond
as
a
community.
K
K
K
Why
are
we
here
and
what
are
we
trying
to
do
and,
in
my
mind,
we're
here
to
answer
a
question
that
came
up
about
a
year
ago
and
probably
the
number
one
priority
right
now
is
to
respond
to
the
state
of
california
with
a
well
thought
out
housing
proposal
that
shows
how
we
can
comply
and
build
where
we
want
to
build
what
we
want
to
build
and
again
we're
back
to
those
two
elements.
All
right.
I
just
wanted
to
establish
that.
K
Yeah,
I-
and
I
I
just
make
a
point
here.
You
know
I've
been
sitting
here
for
about
six
years
now,
and
it
was
mentioned
in
the
presentation
that
one
of
the
benefits
is.
We
could
revision
our
boulevard
and
our
downtown
just
a
point
to
be
made
here.
We
have
done
that
extensively
and
at
great
cost.
K
We
started
in
2011
with
a
boulevard
specific
plan.
We've
also
put
together
a
downtown
master
plan
for
our
core,
we're
embarking
on
a
campus
master
plan
as
well,
and
we
went
through
over
a
year's
process
with
a
visioning
2064
endeavor
that
cost
I'm
not
sure
how
much
and
involved
over
26
staff
members
and
five
council
members.
So
it's
not
like
we've
been
sitting
on
our
hands.
K
K
A
K
I
could
see
that
I
I
don't
know
if
the
state
requires
it
or
not,
but
you
also
say
it
would
be
required
for
the
focus
and
just
the
the
arena
number
update,
but
I'm
taking
that
to
me
not
necessarily
required,
but
you're
suggesting
it
might
be
optional
or
preferential
to
have
that.
There's
no
set
requirements
stating
we
need
to
do
an
eir
for
focused
update.
Is
there
there's
something
in
the
law
that
says
city
of
thousand
dollars?
If
you're
going
to
do
focused,
update,
you've
got
to
do
a
full
eir.
L
K
K
Okay
and
again,
I'm
not
even
sure
it's
required
for
the
comprehensive
and
I'm
not
necessarily
saying
it's
not
the
right
way
to
go.
I
just
wanted
everybody
to
understand
it's,
not
it's
not
state
mandate.
We
don't
have
to
do
any
error.
Maybe
we
should,
but
I
want
that
out
there
also
on
the
time
and
the
cost
of
the
comprehensive
versus
focus
versus
the
housing
element.
K
J
Yeah
I
mean
we
went,
did
you
revise
it.
K
J
No,
we
went
back
and
looked,
we
went
back
and
looked
at
the
numbers
with
it.
I
think
our
our
report
originally
was
a
difference
of
1.4
versus
1.5
was
what
our
original
proposal
was.
So
I
I
believe
we
actually
went
down
in
that
number
from
what
we
had
previously.
J
So
what
what
we
would
you
know,
I
think
what
we
would
like
to
get
is
actually
direction
on
more
specifics
of
what
you
would
want
to
look
at,
so
a
focused
update
can
mean
lots
of
different
things.
You
know,
like
I
said
we
added,
we
added
economic
development.
As
a
topic
you
may
say
you
know
what
we
actually
don't
want
to
deal
with
that,
and
so
we
would
we
we
could
pull
that
out.
J
You
may
say
you
want
to
add
arts
and
culture
to
it,
so
you
know,
I
think
again
with
something
like
that.
We
took
our
best
guess,
but
ultimately,
what
we
would
want
to
hear
from
you
is
what
are
in
a
focused
update.
What
are
the
topics
you
feel
and
what
are
the
elements
you
feel
we
should
look
at
and
then
I
think
the
question
of
the
difference
between
a
focused
and
a
comprehensive
is
you
know,
is
it?
J
Is
it
desirable
for
the
city
to
have
a
single
general
plan
under
one
cover
where
all
of
the
elements
sort
of
read
the
same
and
and
it's
one
document
rather
than
in
a
series
of
documents?
Okay,.
K
Well,
I'm
not
getting
into
that
area
of
the
editorializing
on
which
we
want
to
go.
We're
not
supposed
to
be
doing
that
tonight.
We're
supposed
to
just
be
asking
questions
and
and
again,
if
you,
as
far
as
the
focused
update
your
you
say,
the
focused
update
should
be
comprehensive.
Update
on
housing,
comprehensive
uncirculation,
comprehension
on
land
use,
environmental
justice
is
required
and
there'll
be
some
updating
on
safety.
That's
it
we're
not
talking
about
adding
all
these
different
elements.
K
J
And-
and
I
think
the
the
question
also
with
that
is
whether
the
extent
to
of
the
community
engagement.
That
would
happen,
because
that
is
a
large
cost
of
that
community
engagement
takes
a
very
large
portion
of
that,
and
so
again
that's
where
we
could
do
less
or
we
could
do
more,
and
we
could
have
that
that
conversation
so.
K
K
K
Couple
dozen
okay,
this
issue
about
going
to
a
vote
has
come
up,
did
did
all
those
go
to
a
vote.
K
J
K
K
K
H
Thank
you,
mayor,
just
a
question.
I
think,
on
the
you
mentioned
earlier,
that
we
are
out
of
compliance
with
our
housing
element
as
it
stands
now.
Is
that
correct.
L
No
we're
not
out
of
compliance.
We
are
working
from
a
a
certified
housing
element.
We
are
in
the
middle
of
roughly
a
little
bit
beyond
middle
of
an
eight
year
cycle.
L
Remember
that
when
we
talk
about
arena
numbers,
what
that
really
means
is
this
is
that
the
state
gives
cities
a
total
number
of
housing
units
that
we
need
to
provide
the
capacity
for,
and
within
that
total
capacity,
there
are
different
income
categories
that
we
have
to
meet.
Also,
we
have
met
the
moderate
and
above
modern
we've
met
about
half
of
the
low
and
very
low.
So
that's
still
the
unmet
need
that
we're
focusing
on
for
the
next
few
years
before
we
have
to
submit
the
next
element
in
2021.
H
Okay
and
you
you've
done
a
and
I
think,
a
pretty
good
job
of
explaining
the
benefits
of
of
what
we
are
proposing
to
do
here
is
is
do
with
some
sort
of
update.
What's
the
what's
the
downside
of
not
doing
some
of
the
things
that
we
we
were
mentioning
tonight,
such
as
the
comprehensives
are
focused
or
if
we
just
stay
with
the
housing
element
only
and
the
the
parts
of
the
other
other
elements.
That
would
be
part
of
that.
L
But
we
would,
as
as
matt
mentioned,
we
would
update
from
from
sort
of
option
one
we'll
call
it
the
housing
element
and
other
related
state
laws
that
have
triggers
that
either
are
temporal
triggers.
That
are
specific
points
in
time,
specific
dates
or,
as
was
also
mentioned.
If
we
update
two
elements
and
that
triggers
the
requirement
for
other
topics
to
be
addressed,
we
would
do
that
in
full
compliance
with
state
law
and
going
forward,
as
other
elements
were
adopted,
those
would
be
adopted
as
well.
L
The
most
important
right
now
is
is
the
housing,
but
there
are
another
whole
raft
of
other
laws
that
we
will
need
to
update
in
the
near
future
and,
as
I
mentioned,
safety
will
be
triggered.
Environmental
justice
will
be
triggered
even
as
part
of
the
just
the
housing
element
update.
You
know,
maybe
matt
or
veronica
would
like
to
augment
those
comments.
Yeah.
J
I
I
would
say
you
know
you
you
don't
have
to
you
know
you
could
just
do
the
you
know.
That's
why
that's
why
there's
you
know
three
options.
You
could
just
do
the
housing
and
required
elements.
You
know
someone
in
the
future
that
could
be.
There
could
be
a
challenge
saying
your
general
plan
is
out
of
compliance,
but
at
that
point
you
could
then
update
your
general
plan.
So
you
know
again
it's
an
option
to
just
go
forward
with
with
housing
and
and
the
other
required
elements.
M
Although
I
I
would
like
to
add
particularly
on
the
safety
element,
because
the
law
was
written,
that
upon
the
completion
or
update
of
the
housing
element,
you
must
do
these
things
for
the
safety
element
as
part
of
the
housing
almond
update.
Hcd
will
ask
that
question
as
to
when
are
you
going
to
update
your
safety
element?
Have
you
done
it
already
and
and
if
not,
when
you're
going
to
do
it?
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
commitment
in
your
housing
element
that
you
are
going
to
do
your
safety
element.
H
J
Yeah,
maybe
we
can
actually
go
back
to
the
slide
on
the
housing
option,
one
which
is-
and
we
call
this
the
housing
element
and
other
required
updates,
and
so
this
this
is,
you
know,
we'll
call
it
we'll
call
it
the
minimal
approach.
So
you
know
yes,
you
have
to
do
your
housing
element.
I
mean
that's
required
when
you
do
your
housing
element,
we
believe
you're
going
to
have
to
do.
Land
use
changes,
it's
possible,
you
may
not,
but
we
think
that's
given
the
number
that
were
expected,
that
we
think
that
would
happen.
J
There,
I
think,
is
a
little
more
flexibility
in
that
approach,
and
so
you
know
again,
we
would
recommend
that
there
be
some
amount
of
community
engagement,
given
the
conversations
and
more
than
just
the
minimal,
and
we
would
recommend
that
you
do
an
eir.
However,
you
could
the
the
minimum
requirement
for
housing
element
is
three
meetings
and
then
you
might
be
able
to
do
a
neg
deck
or
a
mitigated
neg
deck
for
sequa.
J
You
know
it's
possible
and
you
know
if
we
went
that
route,
you
know
it
could
be
lower
than
it
would
be
lower
than
the
number
we
have
in
there
again.
That
wouldn't
be
our
recommendation
of
the
best
way
to
do
it.
But,
but
you
know,
I
think
that
would
be
kind
of
a
conversation
with
the
city
manager
and
the
city
attorney.
If
there's
any
challenges
that
they
see
with
that.
J
Well,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
the
one
of
the
biggest
costs
is
community
engagement.
I
also
think
again
personally,
one
of
the
benefits
of
doing
this
is
community
engagement.
But
of
course,
if
you're
talking
just
the
minimal
and
the
legal
requirements,
it's
three
meetings
for
the
housing
element.
You
could
do
that
and
legally,
I
think
that's
all
you
would
have
to
do.
B
Good
council,
member
adam,
you
can
go
next
councilman
jones
after
thank
you,
mary.
K
Just
a
real,
quick
one
as
far
as
paying
for
this,
it
seems
to
me
that
the
bulk
of
it
no
matter
what
way
we
go,
it's
going
to
come
from
the
general
fund
taxpayer
dollars
and
I
understand
there
could
be
some
sb2
funding.
That's
a
maybe
we're
not
quite
sure
as
to
how
much
we
qualify
for,
but
then
there's
also
in
the
staff
report.
You
raised
this
issue
about
this
long-range
planning
fee,
which
is
basically
attacking
a
fee
onto
every
building.
K
K
L
A
K
L
K
I
I
Yeah,
I
I
appreciate
what
councilman
adam
just
said:
it's
really
a
built-in
disincentive,
isn't
it
to
get
people
to
do
what
you
want
if
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
an
extra
fee
to
do
it.
Let
me
say
to
the
consultant:
I
really
appreciate
your
compliments
about
the
quality
of
our
original
general
plan,
which
mark
refers
to
as
the
green
book.
I
guess
is
that
right,
it's
a
different
one
than
that
movie
is
about
that.
I
It's
currently
out.
Yes,
you've
got
it
yeah,
okay,
good
it
took
about
three
years
to
do
the
research
for
it
I
mean
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
housing
and
related
elements.
What
is
related
elements,
and
is
that
all
is
the
price
tag
on
that
whole
housing
and
needed
related
elements,
still,
eight
tenths
of
a
million.
J
Yeah,
so
so
the
slide
that
you
that
we
have
up
here.
These
are
the
the
topics,
as
you
know,
as
I
said,
and
we
included
in
this
and
and
where,
where
an
amount,
a
good
amount
of
that
cost
comes
from,
is
the
community
engagement
associated
with
it
as
well
as
again,
we
recommended
doing
an
environmental
impact
report
which
would
include
all
of
the
the
traffic
modeling
and
all
the
related
analysis.
J
The
city
could
decide
later,
whether,
whether
that
is
the
right,
whether
the
from
the
sequa
side,
whether
any
irs,
the
right
approach,
and
if
that
were
the
case
where,
if
you
did
not
want
to
do
an
eir
for
whatever
reason,
the
number
would
definitely
be
less.
I
M
M
I
I
Let
me
ask
the
consultant:
do
you
see
any
conflict
between
good
overall
planning
for
our
city?
You
know
where
residential
goes
commercial
and
industrial.
So
do
you
see
any
conflict
of
doing
that
and
this
continual
demand
by
the
state
that
we
do
more
and
more
housing
or
more
and
more
affordable
or
different?
I
I
See
any
conflict
between
this
continuing
need
to
to
comply
with
state
law
relative
to
different
types
of
housing
and
good
planning
I
mean:
do
you
see
that
the
housing
could
become
overbearing
after
a
while?
I
mean
I
frankly
I
like
about
our
present
level
of
population.
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
me
something
whatever
it
is,
but
you
know,
as
I
indicated
I
was
on
the
the
general
plan
committee
and
we
planned
a
range
for
the
canal.
We
were
planning
for
the
whole
canal
valley.
I
Well,
I
think
it
was
a
little
less
than
that.
I
my
memory
serves
me.
I
thought
it
was
180,
but
you
know
I
haven't
looked
at
the
figures
lately.
So
do
you
understand
my
question.
J
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
really
interesting
question
and
you
know
I
think
it.
I
think
it
depends
on
the
community
and
I
think,
ultimately,
you
know
how
it
how
it
and
that's
the
purpose
for
me
of
a
general
plan
which
is
to-
and
you
did
this
in
in
1970,
which
is
that
sort
of
asked
that
question
of
of
how
do
you
want
to
grow?
J
Where
do
you
want
to
grow
and
and
what
do
you
want
to
look
like,
and
you
know
there
you
know
some
communities
find
it
to
be
a
you
know,
a
burden
to
and
a
conflict
that
the
state
is
telling
them
what
to
do,
and
others
don't
don't
seem
to
mind
it.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
it's,
I
think
it
ultimately
is
up
to
the
community.
So
you
know
for
us
it
is,
you
know
it
is
as
as
professional
planners.
I
J
J
I
don't
know
what
the
map
would
look
like
and-
and
that's
you
know
to
me
and
and
to
be
honest,
what
I
think
it
should
look
like
doesn't
matter
as
for
what
the
community
voices
their
opinion
about
what
it
should
look
like
and
that's
how
we
run
the
process
which
is-
and
you
know
you
probably
did
this
in
you
know
in
in
when
you
did
the
plan
before
you
have
a
community
commerce,
because
I've
looked
in
here,
there's
a
whole
community
process.
Yeah.
I
We
would
have
lost
our
grant
had
we
not
approved
it
in
1970,
and
we
approved
it
about,
I
think,
between
christmas
and
new
year's
yeah.
So
we
took
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
in
that
process
yeah.
But
my
original
question
is:
do
you
see
any
conflict
between
this
continuous
need
for
housing
of
different
types?
It
seems
like
it's
ad
infinitum
and
what
that
effect
would
be
on
the
quality
of
our
general
plan.
You
see
any
conflict.
There.
J
I
I
guess
the
the
conflict
I
would
see
is
not
on
the
continual
need
for
housing
in
the
general
plan.
I
I
would
maybe
rephrase
it,
as
is
there
a
conflict
between
adding
more
housing
in
the
community
and
the
quality
of
life
in
the
community
and
what
this
community
wants.
And
then
I
think
you
know
I
think
it
depends
on
on
you
know
again:
it's
not
my
community,
so
I
can't
answer
that
question
of
whether
I
think
there's
too
much
they're
asking
for
too
much
housing
here.
You
guys
need
to
answer
that
question.
J
L
So
it
tells
thousands
you
have
to
provide
capacity
for
x
number
of
units.
We
don't
have
to
build
them,
but
we
have
to
provide
the
zoning
general
plan,
development
standards
etc,
to
create
an
environment
that
enables
those
those
units
to
be
built.
So
when
thousand
oaks
receives
its
arena
numbers,
we
look
at
our
land
inventory.
We
look
at
vacant
land,
we
look
at
underutilized
land.
We
look
at
projects
that
we
are
already
involved
in
in
terms
of
having
affordable
partners
on
board
to
build
them,
and
then
we
compare
the
two
and
figure
out.
L
Do
we
have
enough
land
capacity
currently
to
accommodate
the
number
that
the
state
has
given
us?
If
we
do
not,
then
that
puts
us
into
a
scenario
of
where
we
may
need
to
change,
to
increase
the
density
of
an
existing
residential
property
or
even
change
land
use,
categories
from
say,
institutional
to
residential,
to
accommodate
that
need,
and
we
have
to
demonstrate
that
and
and
actually
make
those
changes.
I
Just
a
final
comment,
then
we
could
see
a
situation
in
which
the
general
plan,
as
a
result
of
all
this
exercise,
we're
going
through,
would
differ
somewhat,
maybe
from
the
existing
zoning
on.
L
I
L
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
councilmember
billy
le
pena.
Thank
you.
G
G
L
That
fee
is
.0
of
the
total
building
valuation,
so
it's
point:
zero,
zero,
zero,
three
of
the
total
building
valuation
now
on
an
annual
basis,
building
per
evaluation
ranges
from
about
100
million
to
120,
sometimes
higher,
and
so
that
would
be
the
basis
multiplied
times
that
that
factor,
and
that
gives
you
an
annual
revenue
and
in
the
case
of
the
existing
fee.
I
believe
it's
about
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
we
receive
and
we
apply
that
to
technical
upgrades.
L
G
L
F
And
I
just
want
to
add
one
point
on
top
of
that
to
mr
town's
comment:
staff
added
that
item
regarding
the
potential
of
adding
that
fee,
because
that
is
a
commonly
utilized
practice
by
many
cities
that
to
recoup
costs
associated
with
general
plan
updates.
That
being
said,
we
have
adequate
funding
within
general
fund
reserves.
F
Should
the
council
like
to
go
that
path
as
well,
so
simply
an
option
on
the
table
and-
and
there
are
other
ones
that
could
be
contemplated
as
well,
but
it
was
in
an
effort
to
give
you
full
full
background.
Looks
like
mr
town
has
another
comment
as
well.
L
Just
just
as
a
small
example,
using
that
rate
on
a
50
000
home,
upgrade
remodel,
it
would
be
a
15
fee.
G
And
that
is
a
fee
because
it's
only
paid
by
one
person,
it's
not
a
tax
which
would
be
applied
to
every
taxpayer
and
resident
in
the
city.
Yes,
so
there
therein
lies
the
difference.
The
other
question
I
have
is
regarding
the
housing
element,
which
of
course,
is
vitally
important
because
we
have
to
comply
with
it.
Does
it
always
include
an
update
of
our
land
use
element.
M
That
depends
on
the
local
community,
some
communities.
They
have
done
the
general
plan.
Recently
they
have
adequately
zoned
vacant
or
your
plan
for
capacity
for
the
future
growth.
Then
you
probably
don't
need
to,
but
in
your
situation,
because
the
land
use
element
was
done
back
in
the
1970s,
and
things
have
changed
and
a
lot
of
development
has
already
occurred
and
also
the
way
that
the
state
is
putting
more
stranger
requirements
on
on
what
qualify
as
site.
M
So
that
makes
it
very
difficult
for
communities
like
yours
to
to
guess
at
this
time
whether
you
have
adequate
capacity
or
not,
and
particularly
the
type
of
development
that
you
maybe
you
may
need
in
order
to
accommodate
the
lower
income.
Category
of
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
Where
would
you
want
to
place
it?
What
would
be
the
the
most
appropriate
location?
M
You
may
have
that
kind
of
land
use
capacity
in
your
general
plan
in
your
land
use
element,
but
they
may
be
located
in
in
neighborhoods
or
areas
that
you
don't
really
want
those
type
of
housing
to
occur.
So
I
think
that
a
bigger
conversation
about
accommodating
the
arena
by
what
type
of
housing
and
where
to
have
it
occur,
is
an
important
discussion,
independent
even
of
the
housing
element,
but
particularly
because
of
the
housing
government.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
that
conversation,
because
it's
more
real
than
before.
M
It's
not
a
theoretical
kind
of
site
inventory.
It
requires
sites
to
to
you,
look
at
it
and
say:
does
it
really
have
real
development
potential?
Have
you
removed
all
the
constraints
that
would
allow
a
development
to
occur?
Should
the
market
dictate
it?
So
I
think
it
really.
You
know,
while
it
is
a
theoretical
capacity
in
the
past,
new
state
law
makes
it
more
real,
and
so
because
it's
more
real,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
located
in
where
you
want
it
to
locate.
G
Precisely
and
I
think
that
an
update
is
vitally
important
because
it
will
inoculate
us
to
some
extent
against
all
of
the
different
laws
that
are
coming,
that
will
be
affecting
the
cities
and
they
will
look
at
general
plan
baselines
such
as
ours,
that
has
a
baseline
of
80
000
units
and
they
see
that
they're
going
to
say.
Oh,
you
have
more
room
for
another
20
30
000
units.
So
that
is
why
it
is
vitally
important
that
we
look
at
our
general
plan
and
the
land
use
element
more.
M
Important
than
anything
else
at
the
moment,
my
understanding
from
staff
too
that
we're
looking
at
the
the
land
use
element
could
realign
your
overall
capacity
to
a
more
realistic
level.
You
still
have
enough
capacity,
but
it's
just
where
you
want
to
put
the
capacity
is
the
important.
This
is
exactly.
K
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
Just
a
quick
comment
on
that
fee.
Yeah
on
a
50
000
house
remodel
might
be
nominal
on
a
project
like
299
that
we
approved
some
months
ago.
A
60
million
dollar
project.
The
fee
would
be
many
many
thousands
of
dollars.
So
let's
not
downplay
the
fee
impact
on
a
big
on
a
big
project.
B
K
You're
right,
I
did
mayor
sorry,
I
beg
your
indulgence
very
quickly
on
regional
housing
needs
assessment.
You
know,
since
I've
been
here,
we're
never
required
to
build
anything,
we're
just
required
to
show
where
it
could
be
built.
It's
it's
really
a
planning
and
zoning
requirement.
Well,
as
I
understand
it,
that
may
change
we'll
have
to
see
how,
when
these
arena
number
comes
out,
where
it
changes
from
a
planning
and
zoning
requirement
to
an
actual
production
mandate,.
K
G
A
quick,
a
counter
statement:
we
are
required
to
build
affordable
housing
and
whichever
units
are
not
built,
they
are
carried
over
into
the
next
year.
Currently,
I
think
we
are
behind
a
few
dozen
units,
so
we
are
absolutely
required
to
provide
affordable
housing.
A
G
G
A
M
I
could
yeah
if
I
can
kind
of
correct
that
it's
a
little
convoluted.
I
hate
to
give
the
answer
yes
and
no,
but
you're,
given
a
regional
housing
needs
allocation
is
divided
into
income
categories,
very
low,
low,
moderate
and
above
modern
income.
You
are
obligated
to
remove
constraints
that
are
within
your
control
so
that
you
facilitate
and
encourage
the
development
of
housing
and
one
being
that
you
provide
for
the
land
use
capacity
with
adequate
density
and
appropriate
development
standards.
That's
the
requirement
once
you've
done,
that
you've
met
that
requirement.
M
You
don't
have
control
over
the
market.
If
nobody
comes
and
develop
that
you,
you
don't
have
any
obligation
to
build
the
units,
you
don't
have
any
penalty,
the
only
problem
would
be
if
you
have
provided
the
capacity
and
a.
If
and
no
development
has
been
able
to
get
through
your
process,
then
nothing
that
then
you're
not
meeting
your
low
income
category.
M
Then
a
developer
could
petition
for
a
streamlined
process
to
get
the
units
built
if
they
meet
17
different
conditions
and
those
are
not
necessarily
easy
conditions
to
meet.
But
there
are
projects
that
are
meeting
those
conditions,
but
but
no
you're
not
required
to
build
the
units
you're
not
carrying
over
the
unbuilt
units
you're
carrying
over
the
capacity
that
you're
not
providing
if
you're
required
to
provide
for
100
units.
But
you
don't
have
land
zone
that
can
allow
100
units
to
occur
then
that
shortfall
would
roll
over
to
the
next
cycle.
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification
because
I
had
discussion
with
staff
and
it
was
in
writing
that
units
that
were
not
built,
and
there
is
an
exact
number
of
units
will
be
carried
over.
That
was
it
that
was
a
written
staff
report
in
our
housing
element.
Staff
report.
M
L
If,
if
I
could
try
them
in
unbuilt
in
this
scenario
means
the
city's.
L
And
it
hasn't
gone
through
in
a
process
so
again,
unbuilt.
H
No
one
has
even
applied
for
and
claimed.
If
you
will,
those
type.
H
M
A
M
Situation
is
a
positive
if
you
have
approved
a
project
and
it's
not
built,
you
can
use
that
project
if
the
if
the
building
permits
or
the,
if
the
entitlement
is
still
valid,
you
can
use
those
units,
those
110
or,
however
many
units
for
the
next
cycle.
You
can
apply
it
as
a
credit
against
your
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
L
So
currently
we
have
an
unmet
need
capacity
versus
unbuilt,
but
we
have
a
capacity
of
approximately
60
very
low
and
about
it's
about
60.,
finding
exact
numbers
in
a
moment,
but
roughly
120
units
that
we
in
our
current
housing
element
our
current
arena
cycle.
We
are
striving
to
to
meet
so
we
have
met
our
our
moderate
goals.
We've
met
our
above
moderate
goals.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
for
answering
all
our
questions.
It's
been
a
very
enlightening
discussion
on
on
our
arena
requirements
and
how
the
housing
element
comes
in.
I
want
to
refocus
a
little
bit
back
in
on
the
things
that
we've
been
asked
to
look
at.
As
far
as
where
we
go
forward.
Do
we
do
a
just
a
land
use
and
a
housing
element,
or
do
we
do
just
a
focused
or
a
comprehensive
study
coming
and
a
general
plan?
H
The
it's
been
since
1970
that
we've
had
a
general
plan
totally
done,
and
I
agree
with
council
member
jones
that
it's
been
a
great
plan.
It
was
well
done
and
we've
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
guiding
light
for
us
over
these
years.
H
In
terms
of
both
in
dealing
with
state
mandates
and
in
terms
of
getting
more
community
involvement,
would
we
be
better
served
going
with
the
comprehensive
approach
so
that
we
could
have
something
that
would
better
withstand
challenges
by
the
state?
Or
is
it?
Is
it
enough
just
to
do
the
more
targeted
update.
L
Well,
the
the
more
targeted
update
the
option-
one
we'll
call
it
is-
is
clearly
what's
required
under
state
law,
housing
element
and
these
other
elements-
safety,
environmental
justice.
Those
are
triggered
as
a
result
of
that
action
going
beyond
that.
It
really,
in
my
opinion,
begins
to
evolve,
tends
to
migrate
into
the
broader
questions
of.
L
Would
the
city
council
like
to
address
a
broader
range
of
issues?
Would
would
you
like
to
address
the
questions
of
a
a
refreshed
vision
of
the
community?
Those
are
only
questions
that
that
you
can
answer.
It's
really
a
question
of
scope.
Clearly
we
have
to
do
number
one.
We
really
don't
have
any
legal
option
there
beyond
that.
It's
really
your
prerogative
in
terms
of
what
you
would
like
this
to
look
at
its
scope,
its
breadth,
its
depth-
and
you
know
we're
here
to
provide
information.
I
Yes,
getting
back
to
the
low-cost
or
very
affordable
housing.
I
L
So
the
the
primary
way
that
a
developer
receives
benefit
quote
unquote
from
providing
affordable
units
is
through
the
density
bonus
program,
and
that
is
that
if
a
developer
provides
a
certain
number
of
affordable
units
and
they
are
entitled
at
certain
income
levels
and
they
are
entitled
to
essentially
a
corresponding
number
of
density
bonus
units.
I
L
J
Yeah,
building,
affordable
housing
to
meet
the
state's
need
for
affordable
housing
is
a
very
slow
process
and
there
really
are
and
just
to
sort
of
add
to
to
what
mark
said.
There
really
are
two
main
ways
that
affordable
housing
gets
built.
One
is
through
this
density
bonus
program,
which
provides
incentives
to
private
developers
to
build
affordable
housing
at
certain
levels
and,
depending
on
what
level
of
affordable
housing
you
build.
You
get
a
certain
density
bonus.
J
The
other
way
is,
you
know,
you
said:
why
would
someone
build
a
fort?
What's
the
incentive
to
build
affordable
housing?
Well,
there
are
non-profit
developers
who
build
affordable
housing,
and
that
is
the
other
major
source
of
affordable
housing
being
built
in
the
state.
In
that
there
are
organizations
whose
mission
it
is
to
build,
affordable
housing
and
they
get
they
get
grants
from
the
outside.
They
get
tax
incentives
and
that's
the
other
way
that
that
housing
really
gets
affordable.
Housing
really
gets
built.
I
Yeah
one
last
thing:
councilman
de
la
penny,
and
I
are
on
the
costco
board:
do
you
mark
or
before
see
any
pressure
on
us
to
turn
over
some
of
our
open
space
for
housing?
L
I
I
think
that
open
space
when
we
talk
about
community
values,
you
you
know
this
very
well-
that
preservation
of
open
space
was
one
of
the
values
that
has
guided
this
community
since
it
was
founded
in
1964.
L
I
L
I
G
You,
finally,
I
wanted
to
ask
if,
if
the
council
were
to
choose
a
comprehensive
update,
could
that
be
done?
Minus
the
eir
and
just
with
a
leg
deck,
as
mr
raymie
mentioned,.
J
I
actually
want
to
introduce
greg
who's,
our
the
sequa
consultant,
and
so
if
you
want
to
come
up
to
the
microphone
now
for
all
of
those
sql
questions
and
eir
questions,
maybe
now
is
the
time
to
to
ask
them
he's
really
the
expert
on
this.
So
can
a
general
plan
full
update,
be
done
with
just
an
egg
deck.
N
N
But
there
are,
there
is
state
law
about
sequa,
the
sequel
is
a
state
law
and
there
is
it's
statute
pretty
extensive
one,
and
there
are
also
sql
guidelines
that
have
been
put
out
there
by
the
state
and
basically
for
any
project,
including
a
general
plan
update
or
one
element
or
all
the
elements
or
any
combination
of
thereof.
N
If
the
project
has
the
potential
to
have
a
significant
impact,
any
significant
effect
on
the
environment,
then
really
the
burden
of
proof
is
on
the
lead
agency,
in
your
case,
the
city,
to
prove
that
there
there
could
not
be
any
significant
effect
from
the
from
the
project
and
that's
basically
what
you're
saying
when
you
do
a
neg
deck
is
there's
no
potential
to
for
this
significant
effect
to
occur.
You
have
to
substantiate
that
in
your
initial
study.
Basically,
but
then
there's
a
legal
standard.
N
One
legal
standard
that
gets
applied
to
initial
studies,
which
is
the
burden
of
proof,
is
on
you
to
prove
that
and
if
a
challenger
can
basically
make
a
reasonable
argument,
but
there
might
be
a
significant
effect
from
the
project
on
the
environment,
then
you're
required
to
do
an
eir,
so
they
could,
if
they,
if
somebody
wanted
to,
they
could
challenge
the
initial
study
and
the
your
conclusion,
which
is
the
negative
declaration
and
say
if
the
court
finds
they
have
a
reasonable
argument.
N
Then
the
court
could
say:
okay
city,
you
have
to
now
do
any
ir.
If
you
do
any
ir,
the
burden
of
proof
is
then
on
the
challenger
and
as
long
as
you've,
you've
proven
that
you've
done
a
really
a
good
and
thorough
analysis.
N
You
covered
all
your
bases
in
the
eir,
then,
and
you've
made
a
reasonable
argument
that
they're
that
your
conclusions
are
correct.
Then
the
eir
stands.
K
Just
quickly
going
back
to
this
arena
business
I
mean
I
fully
understand
that
rena
requires
us
to
build
certain
tranches
of
housing,
whether
it's
moderate
income
market,
and
it
also
requires
us
to
build,
affordable
and
low
income.
My
point
is
that
in
the
last
arena
cycle
I
think
I'm
not
sure
the
exact
numbers
I
think
they
wanted
us
to
build
120,
affordable
and
low-income
housing,
and
out
of
that,
I
think
maybe
10
has
been
built.
K
Something
like
that.
It's
a
very
small
percentage-
and
the
only
point
I
was
trying
to
make
is
that
I
don't
know
if
the
state's
going
to
stand
for
that
much
longer.
They
may
turn
this
from
a
zoning
requirement
into
a
production
mandate
and
that
again
could
be
addressed
in
the
two
elements
that
are
to
me
the
most
important
in
this
whole
business,
the
housing
and
land
use,
and
we
could
be
proactive
and
provide
for
that
versus
having
the
state
to
tell
us.
But
I
do
understand
the
requirements
we
just
haven't
met
them.
H
Greg
yeah
in
in
terms
of
the
eir
and
the
sq
requirements,
and
is
there
a
minimal
expectation
or
a
standard
in
the
industry
that
we
need
to
meet
there?
I
know
it's
not
legally
required,
but
I
think
I
heard
earlier
that
it's
very
rare,
if
not
unheard
of
that
eirs
and
those
are
not
done
in
these
general
plan-
updates.
N
Well,
it
depends
how
extensive
the
general
plan
update
is.
I
think
veronica
mentioned
that
some
cities
who
are
doing
a
housing
element,
especially
if
they've
just
done
a
some
cities,
do
a
comprehensive
general
plan
update
basically,
but
maybe
their
housing
element.
Is
they
just
isn't
due,
but
first
they
do
that.
Then
they
may
do
a
housing
element
and
in
the
advance
but
they're
doing
the
general
plan
update
with
basically
the
housing
element
in
mind
and
but
in
many
ways
it
is
better
to
do
them
together.
N
If
you're
just
doing
a
housing
element
update
the
rest
of
your
general
plan.
You
have
has
gone
through
environmental
review
and
it's
been
accepted.
There's
a
challenge
period,
a
legal
limitation
on
a
time
limit
on
how
long
you
have
to
challenge
any
form
of
environmental
review.
If
that's
passed,
you
do
a
housing
element
update
and
you
already
have
enough
land
zoned
to
meet
your
arena
and
you
really
don't
need
to
make
any
zoning
or
land
use
changes.
N
Then
there
are
cases
where
cities
do
negative
declarations,
but
usually
when,
when
a
general
plan
update
is
done
and
there's
even
some
elements
or
comprehensive
update
yeah.
I
don't
know
many
cases
where
initial
studies
were
done,
or
I
mean
negative
declarations
mitigated
negative
declarations
were
done
on
that
kind
of
project.
H
Okay,
if,
if
we
were
to
not
do
an
eir,
has
been
suggested
that
perhaps
it's
not
needed
for
what
we're
doing.
If,
especially,
if
a
limited
scope,
is
there
any
danger
that
in
not
doing
one
we're
going
to
jeopardize
the
result
of
what
we
have
and
have
a
plan
that
is
now
subject
to
legal
challenges?
The.
N
Well,
a
negative
declaration
or
mitigated
negative
declaration
from
an
initial
study
that
is
more
subject
to
legal
challenge
and
if,
if
it's
challenged,
you
have
to
at
least
redo,
you
may
have
to
do
an
eir
on
your
your
general
plan
and
then
really
you
can't
adopt
the
the
adoption
of
your
general
plan.
Update
is
not
final,
really
until
you
certify
whatever
environmental
document,
you're
doing
in
fact,
there's
a
requirement.
N
First,
you
certify
the
environmental
document
or
adopt
it
in
the
case
of
a
negative
declaration
or
mitigated
negative
declaration,
and
then
you
approve
or
deny
the
project,
so
it
could
basically
hold
up
adoption
of
your
general
plan
or
whatever
portion
of
your
general
plan,
you're
adopting.
If
your
environmental
review,
your
sql
review
is
challenged
and
then
you
have
to
go
back
and
redo
it.
So
I
think
that's
a
hazard
or
a
risk.
H
This
is
not
a
question
more
of
a
comment
given
the
state's
potential
mandates
on
on
several
fronts.
J
J
H
J
I
actually
just
maybe
jump
in
just
for
a
quick
second
here
with
this,
which
is
you
know,
I
think,
as
greg
said,
if
if
the
comprehensive
route
is
chosen-
and
I
would
say
probably
even
the
focus-
because
it's
dealing-
the
focus
is
dealing
with
the
two
major
elements
of
the
general
plan
that
deal
with
physical
change
thus
could
lead
to
environmental
impact,
which
is
land
use
and
circulation.
J
Of
course
you
could
decide
not
to,
but
but
with
the
housing
element
with
the
option,
one,
you
know,
there's
always
the
path
now
of
going
through
the
land
use
and
the
and
the
housing
element
and
the
other
required
elements
going
beginning
that
process
and
then
once
there's
a
sense
of
the
extent
of
physical
change,
you
think
might
happen.
J
You
can
decide
to
do
an
eir,
a
mitigated,
neg
deck.
In
other
words,
the
decision
for
option-
one-
I
I
it
doesn't
neces
on
sequa-
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
made
right
now
right,
you
could
start
the
process
of
land
use
and
housing
and
safety,
and
then,
as
that
process
goes
forward,
the
decision
could
be
made
on.
Is
it
an
eir?
Is
it
a
mitigated
neg
deck
or
or
is
it
just
an
egg
deck,
and
that
could
depend
on
the
amount
of
change
that
you
see
happening
in
the
physical
change
and
the
potential?
J
You
know
clearly
it's
up
to
the
city
attorney
and,
and
you
all
how
best
to
proceed,
but
but
I
I
think
what
I'm
saying
with
that
option.
One
is,
if
you
go
the
the
sort
of
the
housing
element
approach.
You
don't
have
to
decide
now
what
the
sequa
path
is,
and
if
so,
therefore,
cost
could
be
a
factor
later.
C
I
would
actually
echo
that
and
say
more
so
than
anything.
It
would
be
premature
to
determine
what
type
of
environmental
analysis
would
be
required,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
project
is,
because
we
don't
know
what
changes
to
the
housing
element
and
the
land
use
map
would
be
required.
So
it
would
actually
be
impossible
for
us
to
make
that
determination.
At
this
point.
J
L
Many
cities
do
some,
don't
so
I
think
it
it
comes
back
to
again
what
topics
does
city
council
feel
are
appropriate
at
this
times
this
at
this
point
in
the
city's
evolution
for
broad
community
discussion,
because
really
what
it
comes
down
to
is
what
does
the
community
want
going
forward?
That's
you
know
this
is.
This
is
not
a
plan
that
that
staff
or
consultants
are
coming
up
with
this
would
be
an
update.
It
would
be
based
on
community
input,
that's
the
heart
of
it
exactly
and
it's.
J
So
there's
there's
there's
funding
for
under
sb2,
which
the
city
will
get
an
amount
and
I
think
peter
you
said
it
was
250
250
000
and
that
comes
to
the
city.
To
do
a
whole
range
of
things
which
could
include
a
general
plan
could
be
other
things
as
well,
so
the
the
city.
So
long
as
you
apply,
you
will
get
that
money
you
apply
and
you
use
it
for
something
that
the
money
is
for
and
again
it
is
not
just
a
general
plan
update.
J
So
you
know
that's
you
know
it's
not
like.
There's
a
clock
ticking
and
you
have
to
apply
just
to
do
that
and
I
just
you
know
I
want
to
go
back
to
your
previous
question
about
you
know,
kicking
the
can
down
the
road.
I
mean.
I
think
the
reason
to
do
a
comprehensive
update
compared
to
just
the
limited
amount
is
really
to
have,
as
mark
said,
to
have
that
community
conversation
about
growth
in
the
city
and
about
the
future
of
the
city.
It
sounds
like
from
the
1970
plan.
It
was.
J
It
was
a
worthwhile
exercise
to
go
through
that
and
it
hasn't
happened
in
the
city
in
a
while.
If,
if
you're
not
comfortable
moving
forward
with
that
process,
now
you
know,
I
think,
you're,
probably
just
going
to
keep
getting
letters
from
the
state
saying
that
your
general
plan
is
out
of
date,
but
you
know
there's
nothing
really
punitive
from
the
state.
The
punitive
really
comes
from
at.
J
J
It's
to
have
a
general
plan
that
is
under
one
cover
that
people
feel
is
usable,
it's
about
having
clarity
to
the
community
on
the
vision
of
the
city.
J
If,
if
people
want
that
one
document,
you
might
not
need
to
do
in
a
general
plan,
there's
other
ways
that
you
could
do
this
it's
about,
having
being
able
to
incorporate
and
to
talk
about
the
interconnectedness
of
all
of
these
topics
that
are
related
to
the
general
plan
and
putting
them
under
one
cover
and
having
a
document
that
is
valuable
and
usable
to
the
city.
If
you
know,
you
all
feel
that
what
you
have
now
is
is
adequate
for
what
you
want.
J
You
know,
there's
there's
no
one
outside
telling
you
that
you're
going
to
need
to
do
that.
They're
just
are
the
minimum
requirements
that
we
talked
about
in
option.
One.
G
Okay-
and
you
know
what
I
was
just
going
to
ask
you
another
question,
but
it
slipped
my
mind,
so
that's
it
for
now,
then.
Thank
you.
K
Yeah,
I'm
a
little
confused
about
something
I
the
gentleman
that
came
to
the
podium.
That's
okay,
you
can
stay
there
because
everyone
asks
matt.
If
I
heard
him
correctly,
I
thought
he
said
that
if
the
housing
element
had
been
updated
recently,
which
is
ours
has
2013,
and
that,
if
you
know
our
scope
was
going
to
be
limited,
maybe
say
the
focused
update,
an
m
d
would
suffice.
K
And
that
yeah
it
could
be
challenged
and
there's
a
60-day
challenge
period.
But
if
it
wasn't
challenged
then
we'd
be
good,
but
you're
not
saying
that.
So
I
thought
he
was
the.
J
Yeah
again,
I
think
going
back
to
to
what
the
city
attorney
said,
which
is
that
when,
when
we
did
this,
we
expected
there
would
be
land
use
changes
because
of
the
expected
number
again.
This
was
an
assumption.
We
don't
know
what
the
arena
numbers
are
going
to
be,
but
we
we
expect
that
there
will
be
a
larger
number,
a
much
larger
number
than
you
had
before,
which
will
trigger
potential
changes
to
the
land
use
element
which
could
trigger
that
there's
a
potential
for
environmental
impact.
J
So
therefore,
that's
why
we
said
that
potentially
the
best
courses
in
the
ir
but
the
the
reality
is,
you
know
we
gave
the
conservative
if
the
decision
about
sequa
for
option
one
if
you're
just
doing
housing
and
the
other
elements
that
decision
on
sequa
could
probably
come
later.
I
think
one
of
the
other
questions
you
want
to
ask
yourselves
with
this
is
how
much
engagement
do
you
want
to
do
with
that,
because,
if
you're
talking
about
cost
again
that
that's
an
important
piece
of
that,
you
know
I
I
generally
would
prefer.
J
Overall,
I
mean
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
time
and
effort.
That
goes
into
into
seqa,
and
you
know,
if
you
can
minimize
the
amount
of
environmental
review
that
you
do
and
you're
still
protected
legally,
then
then
that
makes
sense
to
do
so.
If,
if
the
the
consensus
is
that
no
eir
is
needed,
then
don't
do
any
ir.
We
did
it
sort
of
in
the
conservative
way,
because
there's
not
any
ira.
K
K
Okay,
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
now,
whether
or
not
we
showed
or
not
is
a
different
issue
altogether,
we'll
discuss
that
later
correct.
But
it
sounds
to
me
that
a
mitigated,
negative
debt
under
the
focused
update,
considering
we
just
updated
our
housing
in
2013,
would
suffice
and
now
is
that
preferable.
I
don't
know
we'll
talk
about
that
later,
but
it
would
suffice
because
this
you
know
an
eir
is
a
long,
complicated,
expensive
process.
It
generates
a
document
that
can
be
about
a
foot
thick
and
it's
subject
to
challenge.
H
L
Plan
then
doing
a
housing
element
built
off
that
recently
updated
general
plan
could
be
done
without.
K
B
Well,
good,
thank
you.
I
think
we've
exhausted
questions.
G
Just
one
more,
the
the
the
250
000
grant
is
that
already
incorporated
in
the
in
your
cost
estimates,
or
is
that
something
that
has
not
been
considered
yet.
J
The
the
the
numbers
there
are
actually
just
the
cost
to
do
it
and
the
the
source
of
funding
is
another
question.
K
B
Good
well
to
my
fellow
colleagues,
we
have
to
do
our
homework
on
this
one
and
just
remember,
and
I
think
the
part
that
kind
of
hit
me
is
with
the
hcd
that
it
doesn't
in
a
sense,
recognize
local
growth
measures
like
measure
e
and
as
we
look
at
these
three
categories
or
these
three
options
and
and
our
the
citizens
of
our
community
have
clearly
stated
they
want
limited
growth
through
measure
e.
B
B
F
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy.
Our
next
meeting
will
actually
be
on
the
12th
of
february
and
on
that
agenda.
In
addition
to
this
item,
which
will
be
back
before
the
council
for
a
specific
direction,
we
will
have
an
update
from
thousand
oaks
alliance
for
the
arts
on
some
of
their
programming.
F
We
will
have
our
landscape
master
plan
construction
contract.
These
are
for
the
demonstration
sites
that
the
council
considered
through
our
landscape
master
plan
process.
So
it's
very
exciting
and
we'll
also
have
an
emergency
ordinance
relating
to
small
cell
facilities
and
a
report
out
from
the
new
mayor
and
council
member
academy
that
the
league
is
putting
on.
F
B
C
Thank
you.
We
have
two
close
sessions
tonight.
The
first
one
is
existing
litigation:
the
public
utilities
commission
application
by
cal
american
water
for
authorization
to
increase
its
revenue
service
by
34
million
five
hundred
fifty
nine
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
pursuant
to
government
code,
section
54956.98
and
the
second
matter
is
conference
with
legal
counsel
on
potential
initiation
of
litigation.
Pursuant
to
government
code,
section
549,
56.9
d4,
it
is
unlikely
I'll,
have
anything
to
report.