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B
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B
B
B
President
no
request
request
for
any
continuance
of
any
public
hearing
or
agenda
item
that
will
take
us
to
special
presentation
and
I'll
switch
over
to
the
podium.
B
So
tonight
we
have
two
special
presentations:
the
first
of
our
presentation,
I'm
going
to
ask
principal
steve
lepire
to
come
on
up
principal
welcome.
Also.
We
have
coach
sean
brosnan
and
coach
marty
maciel
from
newberry
park,
high
school
and
they're
going
to
join
me
here
for
special
recognition.
If
they
could
come
on
up
as
well,
you
guys
should
have
sat
at
the
end.
It
would
have
been
easier.
B
So
mr
maciel
is
not
feeling
well
and
we're
sorry
about
that,
but
we're
still
going
to
honor
everybody
tonight.
So
I
want
to
read
this
so
I
don't
mess
it
up.
Last
fall
the
newberry
park
high
school
boys,
cross
country
team,
became
merrimonte
league
champions
after
their
undefeated
season.
First
of
all,
clap
for
that.
B
B
Boys,
your
hard
work
and
dedication
to
your
sport
is
to
be
commended
and
we
are
very
proud
of
your
accomplishments.
We'd
love
to
hear
more
about
the
team
and
their
impressive
season,
and
so
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
have
you
principal
and
coach?
You
guys
share
just
tell
us
what
it's
all
about.
D
Mr
mccoy
council
members,
on
behalf
of
our
superintendent,
dr
mark
mclaughlin
of
the
canal
valley,
unified
school
district
and
our
outstanding
school
board.
It's
a
pleasure
for
us
to
be
here
tonight.
I
want
to
congratulate
our
boys,
our
students,
not
just
boys
student
athletes,
for
a
tremendous
season
throughout
the
entire
season.
D
That
started
all
the
way
in
july,
training
in
in
the
mountains
and
then
having
to
deal
with
the
uncertainty
of
all
the
fire
and
every
fires
and
everything
right
in
the
middle
of
the
cif
championship
week
and-
and
we
do
appreciate
our
school
district,
making
a
lot
of
concessions
to
get
kids
to
be
able
to
a
place
to
where
they
can
train
during
that
during
that
week.
D
D
Thank
you
for
having
us
tonight.
We
are
very
appreciative
of
this
opportunity.
I
had
the
privilege
of
coaching
these
eight
young
men
to
a
state
championship
and
and
what
an
honor
it
was.
You
know
we
had
a
motto
all
season
and
we
used
to
say
that
everybody
wants
to
be
great
but
very
few
willing
to
be
great
day
in
and
day
out,
and
these
young
boys
were
willing
to
be
great
day
in
and
day
out.
I
can
tell
you,
you
know
morning
runs
getting
up
at
5
a.m.
Practicing
in
the
afternoon.
D
You
know
we
have
practice
six
days
a
week.
They
run
on
their
own
on
those
sundays,
and
I
I'm
more
than
proud
of
these
boys
and
what
they
accomplished.
We
set
a
goal
and
we
went
out
after
it,
but
one
thing
that
I
always
told
the
parents-
and
I
told
the
kids
and
I
told
the
administration-
was
you
know
in
order
of
importance.
We
need
support
from
the
administration
from
the
parents,
then
the
student
athletes
and
we
had
that
and
that
made
a
huge
difference.
D
B
C
E
D
We'll
start
off
with
this
year
we
actually
not
only
did
we
win
the
state
championship,
we
actually
competed
in
the
national
championships,
along
with
22
other
teams
invited
across
the
country
we
placed
sixth
place
at
the
national
championship.
So
that's
another
thing
I'm
very
proud
of,
but
I'm
going
to
start.
We
were
the
only
team
that
went
to
nationals
with
two
freshmen
on
it,
and
this
is
one
of
my
freshmen
great
honor,
to
coach
them.
Daniel
appleford.
D
B
B
I'd
like
to
invite
colleen
breiner
schmidt,
representing
unified
association
of
canejo
teachers,
come
on
up
here
to
the
podium
hello,
dear
hi,
there
nice
to
see
you
on
march,
2nd
2019.
It
will
be
the
115th
birthday
of
theodore
geisel,
more
famously
known
as
dr
seuss,
the
beloved
children's
writer
and
storyteller,
and
to
honor
his
legacy.
Every
year
on
his
birthday,
they
designate
read
across
america
day
and
the
conejo
valley,
unified,
school
district
and
the
unified
association
of
caneho
teachers.
B
F
I
can
do
that.
Thank
you
in
may,
1997,
a
small
reading
task
force
at
the
national
education
association
came
up
with
a
big
idea.
Let's
create
a
day
to
celebrate.
Reading
we
hold
pep
rallies
to
get
kids
excited
about
sports
and
celebrate
the
winners
here.
Why
don't
we
do
something
to
get
kids
excited
about
reading
we'll
call
it
nea's
read
across
america
and
celebrate
it
on
dr
seuss's
birthday,
so
it
was
born
on
march,
2nd
1998.
The
largest
celebration
of
reading
in
this
country
has
ever
seen.
F
F
As
I
was
growing
up,
my
parents
gave
me
a
safety
flashlight
that
I
actually
used
to
read
under
the
covers
at
night.
However,
I
was
discovered
and
they
took
the
flashlight
away.
However,
I
discovered
that
if
I
sat
in
the
window
just
right,
I
got
enough
light
from
the
street
lights
to
read,
and
so
I
did
no
child
stays
up
late.
F
Excuse
me:
no
child
stays
up
late
at
night
to
read
a
reading
workbook,
but
those
who
have
been
exposed
to
wonderful
stories
that
take
them
all
over
the
world,
activate
their
imaginations
and
teach
them
to
dream
sitting
on
the
laps
of
their
parents,
grandparents,
older
brothers
and
sisters
or
in
front
of
the
the
classroom.
With
the
teacher.
F
These
students
are
well
on
their
way
to
becoming
great
readers.
This
week,
teachers
all
across
the
district
are
celebrating
reading
and
on
march,
2nd
and
every
day.
Actually,
we
would
like
you
to
celebrate,
reading
and
reading
aloud
joining
educators,
parents
and
community
leaders
across
the
country
and
celebrate
the
magic
of
reading,
because
you're,
never
too
old,
too
wacky
too
wild
to
pick
up
a
book
and
read
with
a
child,
and
I
would
like
to
introduce
mrs
gilraf
of
wethersfield
elementary
school,
who
has
brought
some
members
of
her
class
to
help
us
celebrate.
F
B
Put
them
on
the
red
carpet:
okay,
come
on,
while
the
kids
are
setting
up.
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
you
miss
colleen.
My
dad
was
deployed.
I
don't
remember
reading
with
him.
He
was
always
in
the
military,
and
my
mom
was
busy
with
four
kids
and
it
was
a
teacher
mr
wilkin,
who
gave
me
a
love
for
reading
and
what
you
all
do
day
in
and
day
out,
is
so
wonderful
for
our
community
and
we're
just
so
grateful,
and
this
is
for
all
of
you,
it's
a
proclamation
and
we're
grateful.
B
B
B
A
A
A
G
A
B
Madam
clerk,
if
you
would
do
the
public
comments,
please.
C
C
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
C
C
B
H
Thank
you
city
council,
for
having
me
this
is
my
second
time
addressing
you
as
a
whole.
I
was
here
on
january,
8th
to
speak
about
the
book
that
I'd
finished.
Writing
in
honor
of
my
best
friend,
luke
boden,
who
passed
away
from
sickle
cell
disease.
H
I've
had
the
fortunate
side
effect
of
meeting
what
I
call
all
of
the
other
lukes
out
there
in
the
world,
little
kids
who
have
illnesses,
terminal
or
chronic,
and
one
of
them
was
a
very
sweet.
Little
girl
named
teresa
alaniz,
who
I've
started
a
fundraiser
for,
and
here's
a
picture
of
her,
and
I-
and
my
ask,
is
just
that.
H
I
bring
her
story
to
light
as
much
as
possible
and
help
spread
her
message
as
well
and
she's
in
an
extreme
position
of
of
need,
like
a
lot
of
little
kids
that
I
meet
are,
and
so,
if
you
find
it
in
your
interest
to
donate,
that
would
be
great,
but
really
more
than
anything.
I
just
want
to
spread
her
story
and
give
you
guys
all
the
information
on
her
to
see.
If
there's
anything
that
you
guys
can
do
knowing
the
people
you
do.
H
I
think
that
would
be
great.
The
second
reason
I'm
here
tonight
is
because
I'm
having
a
fundraiser
in
this
city
on
march
3rd
for
the
fire
victims,
it's
my
final
cap
to
the
fundraiser.
Through
my
book
sales,
it's
going
to
be
a
red
cross,
sanctioned
event
where
I'll
be
doing.
My
final
donation
of
my
book
sales
to
the
woolsey
fire
victims,
and
also
a
percentage
of
that
will
be
going
to
the
victims
of
the
borderline
shooting.
H
So
I'm
trying
to
raise
as
much
awareness
for
that
fundraiser
as
well,
and
I
happily
invite
all
of
you
guys
to
attend-
and
I
have
a
flyer
for
that
as
well-
that
I'll
show
you
and
I'm
going
to
be
passing
both
of
these
out
with
all
of
my
information
at
the
conclusion
of
my
speech
tonight,
but
I
again
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
all
you
do
for
our
city
and
also
for
putting
me
in
touch
with
heather
cousin
last
time.
I
was
here
and
we've
organized
an
event.
H
I
believe
for
april
with
my
book,
where
I'll
be
working
with
the
thousand
oaks
library,
and
you
know
once
again,
I
appreciate
all
that
you
guys
do
for
our
city
and
for
these
victims
on
a
daily
basis.
This
is
just
my
way
of
kind
of
complementing
that,
so
I
have
all
this
information
for
you
and
I
hope
to
see
you
on
sunday
march
3rd.
Thank
you.
J
With
my
cpa,
however,
there
was
no
mention
of
any
five
to
or
seven
percent
discount
from
cpa
for
their
added
on
charges,
which
is
what
I
understand
that
they're
going
to
be
billing
for
my
simple
question
this
evening
is:
can
somebody
council,
member
or
staff,
find
out
from
the
private
cpa
corporation
board
of
directors
if
cpa
intends
to
discount
their
added
on
five
to
seven
percent
charges
to
the
edison
subsidized
c-a-r-e
and
f-e-r-a
participants?
J
B
Mr
roberts,
our
city
manager,
will
address
that
at
the
end
of
the
public
comments
and
he'll
have
some
answers
for
you,
and
I
think
our
wives
are
related.
Thank.
J
K
Good
evening,
mayor
council,
members
and
city
staff
and
residents
and
businesses
of
thousand
oaks,
my
name
is
maria
ventura.
I'm
the
public
affairs
manager
representing
socalgas
throughout
the
ventura
county,
and
I'm
here
to
provide
this
information
about
natural
gas's
role
in
a
renewable
future.
As
you
may
know,
natural
gas
is
used
to
heat
homes,
cook
food
for
the
residents
and
also
many
industrial
processes.
It
is
abundant,
cost
effective
and
a
clean
energy
source
most
of
the
homes
here
in
thousand
oaks
and
businesses
have
electricity
and
also
have
natural
gas.
That
is
balanced.
Energy.
K
I'd
like
to
alert
you
today
that
there
are
those
in
sacramento
who
would
like
to
upset
that
balanced
energy
approach
and
electrify
everything
under
the
guise
of
trying
to
reach
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
to
benefit
the
environment.
While
that
goal
is
a
goal,
we
can
all
support,
seeing
the
children
earlier
today
we
want
to.
We
want
a
good,
clean,
wonderful
world
for
our
children
and
our
grandchildren,
our
great
grandchildren,
but
there
are
other
options
that
are
less
impactful
than
electrifying
mandating
folks
to
electrify
everything.
K
There
was
legislation
last
year
that
would
required
by
2022
all
new
homes,
all
new
buildings
to
be
all
electric
and
by
2030.
All
buildings
would
have
been
retrofitted
to
be
all
electric,
while
this
bill
did
not
ultimately
pass
in
its
original
form.
Please
know
that
more
bills
like
this
are
forthcoming,
taking
away
individuals,
rights
and
choice
to
decide
what
kind
of
energy
source
they
would
like
to
use.
There
are
other
options,
and
please
know
socalgas
is
not
against
electrification.
If
somebody
would
like
to
do
that,
it
is
their
choice.
K
What
energy
choice
they
would
like
to
use,
but
there
are
other
options.
Power
to
gas
is
basically
in
a
very
nutshell.
My
quick
time
here
is
we
can
harness
the
energy
of
wind
and
solar.
Do
some
conversions
and
put
that
in
our
pipeline
and
in
essence,
we
have
created
a
battery
and
also
renewable
natural
gases.
We
capture
methane
from
our
best
friends
the
cows
and
also
other
waste
streams,
wastewater
treatment
facilities
that
sort
of
thing
we
can
capture
that
methane
before
it
goes
up
in
the
air.
K
It's
carbon
negative
at
that
point
and
clean
it
and
put
in
our
pipelines.
If
we
use
all
the
tools
in
our
arsenal
to
address
the
our
leading,
we
are
in
california,
climate
goals.
That
is
the
best
approach
without
having
less
impact
less
cost,
and
let
me
be
clear,
it
would
have
cost
an
individual
7
200
at
minimum
to
upgrade
the
electrical
panel
replace
all
their
appliances
if
this
will
have
been
passed.
K
What
I'm
saying
here
is,
let's
use
all
the
tools
we
have
and
not
rely
on
just
one
energy
source
for
the
future,
and
the
bottom
line
is
this:
we
shouldn't
have
to
choose
between
what's
right
for
the
environment
and
what
families
and
businesses
can
actually
afford
and
with
natural
gas.
You
don't
have
to
thank
you.
Thank.
B
You,
ms
ventura,
now
we
have
janice
wise.
K
C
Good
evening,
everyone,
it's
so
nice
to
see
you
I'm
here
from
art
trek.
We
are
your
not-for-profit
arts
organization
located
right
in
newberry
park
and
we
have
an
upcoming
fundraiser.
It's
called
quickdraw.
This
is
our
second
annual
quick
draw.
We
have
nine
artists
coming
into
the
studio.
They
have
90
minutes
to
create
a
piece
of
artwork
which
you
get
to
watch
them
do
this
is
on
march
9th
so
in
the
evening,
and
you
get
to
watch
them
create
for
90
minutes
and
then,
when
time
is
up,
we
raffle
off
those
items.
C
So
it's
a
big
fundraiser
for
us.
It
supports
the
work
we
do
with
cancer
support,
community
senior
concerns,
safe
passage,
commander,
hegel's
program
and
a
lot
of
other
non-profits
that
we
work
with.
So
we
appreciate
everything
that
you
do
for
us
and
all
the
support
that
you
give
us
and
we
were
hoping
that
you
would
come
and
attend
this
event.
I
have.
B
M
Answer,
mr
ross
so
much
mayor
mccoy
in
following
up
on
just
a
couple
of
the
public
speakers,
we'll
continue
to
continue
to
work
on
fundraising
efforts,
both
through
the
library
and
otherwise
with
jd,
and
are
appreciative
of
all
his
efforts
in
regards
to
raising
money
for
fire
and
borderline
victims.
M
The
gentleman
mr
roberts,
who
spoke
on
the
clean
power
alliance,
we
did
have
representatives
from
clean
power
at
our
previous
at
our
last
meeting
here
to
to
provide
some
additional
clarity
and
answer
questions.
We
know
it
is
a
complex
item.
Our
deputy
public
works
director,
cliff
finley,
is
right
over
here.
He'll
catch
you
and
provide
some
answers
out
in
in
the
lobby
and
then
in
relation
to
gas
company
and
arctic.
We
will
do
our
best
to
help
promote
those
activities.
That's
it.
B
N
B
All
right,
there's
no
public
hearing
tonight
so
item
number,
nine
department
reports,
general
plan
and
housing
element
update
mark
town,
our
community
development
director.
G
G
And
september
you
authorized
staff
to
solicit
a
request
for
proposals
to
acquire
proposals
from
consultant
teams
to
update
the
general
plan,
either
comprehensively
or
in
a
focused
manner.
G
The
second
option
is
what
we've
been
terming
a
focused
update
and
that
would
update
the
lane,
use
element,
circulation,
element
and
housing
elements
and
then
any
other
required
state
changes
in
terms
of
our
existing
policies.
The
third
option
is
to
update
only
the
housing
element
and
those
required
state
amendments.
G
At
the
study
session
city
council
identified
the
idea
of
a
vote
in
terms
of
a
potential
component
of
this
general
plan
update
process
subsequent
to
that
discussion,
staff
evaluated
a
number
of
options
in
terms
of
a
potential
general
plan,
and
one
of
the
primary
constraints
that
immediately
became
obvious
was
that
it
would
be
actually
impossible
to
have
a
vote
during
the
next
two
years
roughly
to
enable
the
city
to
meet
its
october.
G
2021
housing
element
update
deadline
as
a
result,
after
looking
at
a
number
of
alternatives,
staff
identified
the
best
option,
as
as
to
include
consideration
of
a
vote
in
2022
after
the
general
plan,
update
was
adopted
with
the
overarching
goal
of
lowering
the
measuring
baseline,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
few
minutes,
then
also,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
outreach
is
a
key
part
of
the
general
plan
update
process,
no
matter
which
path
you
choose
to
go
down
tonight.
G
That's
always
part
of
the
the
program
and
we'll
also
talk
about
the
idea
of
a
statistically
valid
survey
in
a
few
minutes
as
well.
G
The
first
option
option
a
here
is
that
which
was
assembled
by
raymien
associates
and
basically,
as
you
can
see,
this
would
start
the
process
of
either
a
comprehensive
or
a
focus.
General
plan
update
literally
in
the
next
month,
and
then
that
would
carry
on
through
with
the
target
date
of
submitting
the
housing
element.
G
Remember
we
have
to
submit
it
by
actually
october
of
2021,
and
so
the
draft
general
plan
will
be
available
for
public
review
in
the
latter
part
of
2020,
followed
by
the
draft
eir
and
then
city
council
action
on
the
entire
general
plan
and
then
submittal
of
the
housing
element
to
meet
the
state
state
deadline.
G
G
We
would
go
through
the
process
preparing
a
general
plan
update
of
one
of
those
two
types
going
through
the
environmental
analysis
and
also
submitting
it
by
the
october
2021
deadline.
But
then
having
a
ballot
measure
for
consideration
the
following
june.
It
would
actually
be
prepared
for
publication
in
june
of
2022
and
then
actually
have
a
vote
in
november
of
2022.
G
The
third
option
is
the
housing
element
option
and
because
it
is
more
restricted
in
scope,
we
would
not
actually
need
to
start
that
until,
as
you
can
see
the
very
end
of
this
year
and
then
we
would
actually
prepare
a
an
rfp
in
the
interim,
select
a
consultant
and
start
the
actual
work
later
part
of
this
year
and
then
proceed
with
city
council
action
on
the
housing
element
and
those
related
state
items
prior
to
october.
2021.
G
I
also
wanted
to
mention
just
for
a
moment
a
few
factors
that
are
particular
relevance
to
thousand
oaks.
We've
already
covered
the
basic
costs
and
benefits
of
general
plan
options,
but
there's
a
few
that
are
particularly
relevant,
I
think
to
thousand
oaks.
One
is
that,
as
you
know,
city
council
has
been
able
to
use
the
pre-screening
process
to
ensure
that
community
benefits
are
acquired
through
projects
that
need
a
general
plan
amendment.
G
So
if
a
general
plan
amendment
is
needed
to
either
increase
residential
capacity
or
to
change
to
residential
capacity,
you
have
the
ability,
through
that
process,
to
ensure
that
there's
a
high
quality
design
and
that
this
community
receives
benefits
through
this
next
arena
housing
element
cycle.
We
will
be
required
to
place
capacity
literally
on
the
ground
through
our
land
use
map,
and
once
we
do
that
that
pre-screening
leverage
that
you
have
used
the
last
couple
years
will
no
longer
be
available.
G
The
item
1b
here
has
to
do
with
a
discretionary
review,
and
that
is
that,
historically,
the
planning
commission
and
city
council
have
been
able
to
when
it's
appropriate,
to
approve
projects
at
less
than
the
maximum
density
less
than
the
maximum
capacity
for
that
site,
based
on
other
neighborhood
compatibility
issues,
aesthetic
issues,
but
the
state
is
increasingly
requiring
that
cities
in
their
review
process
focus
much
more
heavily
on
items
that
are
of
public
health
or
safety,
and
not
public
welfare,
eg
compatibility
or
aesthetic
issues,
and
also
that
city
standards
be
objective
to
the
greatest
degree
possible.
G
Through
these,
these
first
two
options
that
are
before
you
tonight,
we
would
be
able
to
look
at
the
city's
general
plan
land
use
map
comprehensively
reduce
the
capacity
of
that
map
and
bring
it
down
to
a
level
that
is
much
closer
to
what
we
actually
have
in
the
field
and
what's
appropriate
for
the
community.
This
is
important
because
the
state
has
stated
specifically
and
recently
that
they
will
be
considering
the
general
plan,
land
use,
map
of
cities
and
counties
in
their
growth
projections.
So
we
want
that
map
to
be
as
accurate
as
possible.
G
This
is
another
table
that
is
from
your
staff
report
and
I'll
just
go
through
it
briefly.
It
identifies
in
terms
of
the
columns
from
left
to
right
the
comprehensive
update
option,
the
focused
update
option
and
the
housing
element
update
option,
and
so
just
proceeding
from
left
to
right
in
terms
of
this
table.
G
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
comprehensive
update
would
update
all
of
the
elements
required
and
optional
focus
would
would
literally
focus
on
land
use,
housing,
circulation
and
housing
element.
Of
course,
housing
staff
time
would
be
highest
for
the
comprehensive
update
and
proceed
to
a
lower
amount
for
the
housing
element.
G
G
G
There
is
a
range
for
the
housing
elements
option
because
again
we
haven't
issued
a
request
for
proposals
for
that.
So
we
don't
have
a
specific
number,
but
obviously,
if
you
chose
that
option,
we
would
do
that
then
there's
a
few
optional
tasks,
one
of
which
I
mentioned,
is
the
idea
of
a
2022
ballot
initiative.
We'd,
like
your
guidance
on
that
tonight,
and
by
the
way
these
optional
tasks
only
apply
to
the
focused
or
comprehensive
options.
G
Another
option
is
that
of
an
arts
and
culture
element.
This
topic
would,
I
think,
be
a
great
idea
in
terms
of
reflecting
the
community's
existing
emphasis
on
on
the
arts.
This
complex
is
obviously
a
no
pun
intended
a
concrete
reflection
of
that
with
these
performing
arts
theaters
and
the
city's
robust
arts
program.
G
This
would
be
an
element
that
would
focus
on
that.
The
relationship
between
arts
and
culture
and
all
the
other
aspects
of
our
community
and,
as
you
can
see,
would
be
an
additional
cost,
but
a
comparatively
modest
cost
for
the
the
value
I
think
of
that
of
that
element.
This
is
an
optional
element
purely
up
to
the
council's
discretion,
of
course,
and
then,
finally,
if
council
started
chooses,
you
can
include
a
statistically
valid
survey
in
those
first
two
options
as
well.
G
G
You
would
then
tonight
be
actually
appropriating
the
funds
for
that
option.
You
would
be
hiring
raymien
associates
through
the
contract
for
those
options
again,
raymond
associates
came
out
on
top
in
terms
of
our
rfp
process
and
was
also
selected
by
ourselves
for
the
the
guidance
of
our
study
session.
G
If
you
chose
that
option,
then
we
would
be
going
out
with
an
rfp
to
identify
the
most
appropriate
consultant
or
consultant
team
to
do
that
and
provide
you
with
a
a
cost
estimate
at
a
later
date,
depending
on
what
you
do
with
that
option.
They're
just
this
is
the
last
image
we
again
are
asking
for
your
your
consideration
and
direction.
G
So
we
would
like
to
know
if
you're
interested
in
pursuing
an
arts
and
culture
element
of
the
general
plan,
if
you're
interested
in
a
statistically
valid
survey
as
part
of
the
the
outreach
program
and
then
again
we're
not
asking
for
a
definitive,
yay
or
nay
on
the
ballot
initiative
tonight,
but
are
asking
for
your
guidance,
if
you'd
like
staff,
to
continue
to
evaluate
elements
that
are
related
to
that
that
idea,
scheduling,
cost
and
other
related
factors.
So
with
that,
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
to
my
left
is
peter
gilley.
G
My
deputy
community
development
director
and
peter
has
been
a
lead
on
this
project
over
the
past
year.
So
again,
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
town.
M
Just
a
quick
additional
point
based
on
mr
town's
presentation:
this
is
our
scheduled
year
for
our
community
attitude
survey
and
we've
actually
pending
council's
direction.
Here
we
actually
held
back
on
what
would
normally
be
fielding
that
survey
right
around
now
in
an
opportunity
to
see
which
direction
council
ends
up
going
so
that
we'll
have
we
already
have
the
budget
money
appropriated
for
that,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
duplicate
that
effort.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
made
that
point.
N
Thank
you,
mayor
yeah.
I
was
just
going
to
add
on
to
what
drew
just
said:
the
a
statistically
valid
survey
just
another
word
for
an
attitude
survey
which
we
have
had
in
the
past
and
if
I
recall
well,
I
wasn't
around,
but
in
the
original
general
plan
they
had
an
attitude
survey
as
well,
and
so
that's
basically
what
it
is
attitude
survey
conducted
with
the
public,
correct.
N
People-
okay,
very
good
and
just
two
other
quick
points.
N
Throughout
this
whole
process,
if
we
go
with
the
comprehensive,
I
presume
measuring
is
in
effect
just
like
always
the
the
measure
voted
on
by
the
people
at
housing
density
measure
that
would
be,
in
effect
throughout.
N
Okay,
very
good
and
then
just
one
of
them
kind
of
curious
when
we
were
presented
with
the
comprehensive
update,
raymi
and
association
associates,
listed
a
number
of
potential
new
new
elements.
In
addition
to
arts
and
culture,
green
buildings,
climate
change,
economic
development-
is
there
any
reason
we
singled
out
arts
and
culture
versus
some
of
the
other
options
that
we
could
look
at?
L
O
Pena,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mayor
mccoy.
The
question
I
wanted
to
ask
as
well
is
when
we
heard
from
raymond
associates,
they
said
that
it
was
an
all-inclusive
cost,
so
to
speak.
The
approximate
1.5
so
when
I
see
58
850
for
arts
and
culture
is
then
that
just
to
clarify
on
top
of
the
1.5.
O
M
O
G
O
Okay
and
regarding
measure
e,
so
the
proposal
would
be
to
then
have
a
vote
after
the
general
plan
to
accept
have
voters
accept
the
new
baseline
of
of
measure
e.
G
That's
probably
the
the
the
core
of
it,
at
least
at
this
point.
In
terms
of
our
analysis,
it
would
be
to
to
adopt
a
new
land
use
map
because
obviously
measuring
is
based
on
the
language
map
that
existed
in
1996,
and
this
would
be
a
new,
much
more
accurate
land
use
map.
They
would
have
a
much
lower
capacity
and
more
accurate
land
use
pattern
for
the
city
based
on
public
input.
O
And
what
happens
cannot
foresee
the
future?
What
would
happen
if
the
residents
of
the
voters
would
reject
the
ballot
measure
in
2022.
C
The
the
actual
land
use
map
will
be
adopted
by
the
city
council
as
well
under
the
option
for
a
ballot
initiative
the
if
the
voters
approved
the
general
plan
land
use
map,
then
it's
very
similar
to
what
measure
e
is
today
where,
whereby
the
council
could
not
make
changes
to
the
general
plan.
Land
use
map
that
exceeded
that
baseline.
O
Okay,
that
that
makes
sense.
Thank
you
and
the
statistically
valid
survey.
O
I
have
a
question
about
that.
That
would
cost
about
35
000..
Do
we
have
any
idea
how
detailed
or
deep
it
would
be,
how
many
voters
it
would
reach,
because
we
have
a
city
attitude
survey
which
reaches
500
people,
I
think
via
mail?
Is
it
and
then
online?
We
have
another
few
hundred,
mr
powers.
M
So
we
have
traditionally
done
the
community
attitude
survey
in
twofold.
The
first
is
the
statistically
valid
model
and
that
surveys
500
and
then
that
gives
us
a
margin
of
error
and
that
margin
of
error
I
believe
off
top
my
head
plus
and
minus.
M
You
know
three
or
four
percent,
and
that
is
the
one
in
which
you
can
extrapolate
to
the
broadest
nature
of
the
community,
because
that's
done
by
phone
and
cell
phone
and
home
phone,
and
that
is
based
on
our
community
demographics.
So
they
interview
more
than
500.
But
if
you
don't
meet
the
demographic
criteria
that
mirrors
our
community,
they
have
to
exclude
some
of
those
out.
M
What
we
would
seek
to
do
in
this
situation
because
of
the
broad
nature
of
it
is
to
it
probably
expand
the
number
slightly
higher
to
bring
down
that
margin
of
error.
To
you
know
maybe
three
three
percent
plus
or
minus
in
some
regard,
but
we
would
work
with
our
survey
consultant
to
do
that
and
in
terms
of
depth.
M
O
M
M
Enough
to
do
it
so
that
being
said,
we
may
we
may
choose
to
augment
the
budget
slightly
in
order,
like
I
said,
to
increase
that
that
number
of
folks
surveyed,
so
we
can
bring
down
the
margin
of
error.
I
failed
to
answer
your
second
part
of
your
question
as
part
of
the
survey
we
we
do
send
a
mail
card
to
every
resident
in
the
community
and
that
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
complete
the
same
survey
online
and
often
times
because
of
the
margin
of
error
in.
M
E
Your
microphone,
my
kids,
are
on
there.
Okay,
I
just
like
to
ask
a
measuree
was
referred
to:
what
is
the
number
of
units?
What
is
the
upper
limit?
According
to
the
evaluation
of
measure
e?
E
And
about
how
many
dwelling
industry
we
have
at
this
time
in
the
city.
E
The
in
in
the
first
measure,
option
a
would
you
describe
again
the
level
of
public
involvement
in
that,
if
we
choose
option
a.
P
So
so,
under
the
comprehensive
update,
outreach
is
going
to
include
a
variety
of
methods.
There'll
be
stakeholder
meetings,
there'll
be
a
general
plan
committee
that
will
have
meetings.
P
There
will
be
pop-up
workshops,
there
will
be
community
forums
and
community
workshops
and
focus
groups
and
specific
meetings
with
groups
such
as
crpd
thousand
oaks,
boulevard
association,
chamber
of
commerce,
major
property
owners,
the
university
school
districts,
major
homeowners
associations,
affordable
housing
groups.
It's
really
an
exhaustive
list
to
try
to
get
out
to,
as
as
many
of
the
groups
in
the
in
the
community
as
possible.
E
Yeah,
that's
a
larger
list
of
different
groups
than
we
had
originally,
where
the
master
plan
was
first
developed.
What
time
period
would
this
involve
to
do
all
these
outreach
meetings?
Do
you
think.
P
It
would
start
probably
around
may
of
this
year
and
carry
through
in
some
form
almost
through
the
whole
process.
The
first
part
of
the
outreach
will
be
about
about
about
collecting
feedback
from.
P
It's
roughly
a
two
week
and
a
half
year
process,
and
I
would
say
the
outreach
will
probably
be
can
be
part
of
18
to
24
of
those
months
is.
E
That
right
well
that'd
be
quite
a
lot
of
public
input.
Wouldn't
it
can
we
adjust
in
this
process
the
target
of
dwelling
units
relative
to
measure
e.
E
Yes,
the
you
say:
there's
a
possible
81,
000
dwelling
units,
which
is
you
know
much
too
high
in
my
opinion,
is
there
any
way
to
adjust
that
target
level
in
the?
If
we
choose
option
a.
G
Yes,
I
mean
one
of
the
most
important
parts
of
the
journal
plan
update
is
that
through
public
input
we
would
actually
be
updating
and
changing
the
general
plan.
Land
use
map
and
a
couple
parts
of
that
are
that
we
would
be
reducing
the
capacity
in
areas
that
have
already
been
developed
and
then
looking
at
areas
that
have
not
been
fully
developed
or
are
potential
redevelopment
areas
and
looking
at
the
capacity
of
those
areas
in
terms
of
likely
state
mandates
and
community
needs.
G
E
E
With
over
15
000
acres
of
open
space,
but
we
could,
in
other
words
we
would
legally
perform
whatever
duties
we
would
have
to
perform
to
adjust.
That
figure
is
that
true?
Yes,
we
would
okay,
I
think
that's
it
for
now,
mr
mayor.
B
Thank
you,
mr
jones
mark
just
a
quick
question
on
my
part
and
then
councilmember
adam,
with
the
governor's
desire
to
have
3.15
million
new
housing
units
by
2025
and
the
state
encroaching
on
our
autonomy,
challenging
limited
growth
growth
initiatives.
G
Yeah,
yes,
I
firmly
believe
that
it
would.
It
will
give
us
an
opportunity
to
craft
policies
to
update
our
land
use
map
that
will
give
us
the
greatest
control
possible
over
our
future
again,
a
general
plan
update
is
intended
to
be
valid
over
at
least
a
15-year
horizon,
and
so
looking
long-term
and
thinking
comprehensively,
it
would
give
us
the
greatest
control
over
our
destiny.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
adam.
Thank
you.
N
Mayor
well,
I'm
actually
prepared
to
make
a
motion
if.
O
The
question
I
have
is,
of
course,
we
spoke
previously
that
we
would
use
our
results
from
the
visioning
workshops
to
help
us
guide
through
this
lengthy
process.
I
also
am
excited
that
we
will
be
connecting
with
various
local
groups
to
discuss
this.
What
I
liked,
in
particular
with
the
visioning
projects
or
workshops,
is
that
all
of
the
workshops
and
discussions
were
open
to
the
public.
There
were
not
any
individual
meetings
or
one-on-one
meetings
or
just
you
know,
go
from
one
hra
to
another
hoa
to
another
group
to
another
group.
O
It
was,
they
were
all
open
to
the
public.
Everybody
could
come,
so
everybody
can
hear
what
the
other
has
to
say,
and
I
think
that
that
is
very
important
rather
than
scheduling,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
the
plan,
but
rather
than
scheduling
for
lack
of
a
better
word
private
meetings
with
groups.
I
think
it's
important
that
everything
is
out
in
the
open
that
we
continue
to
or
that
we
copy
what
we
did
with
the
visioning
workshops.
B
You
know
we
have
a
public
comment,
but
I
wonder
if
councilmember
jones
wanted
to
speak.
No
okay,
public
comments.
We
have
one
chuck
cohen
former
mayor
cohen,
welcome
sir.
Q
I
just
made
a
quick
note.
I
have
a
little
difficulty
hearing
in
in
this
this
room.
My
hearing
aids
are
not
as
adequate
as
your
voices,
but
so
I'm
hopeful
I've
picked
up
most
of
the
information.
Q
Q
I
would
hope
that
the
final
judgment
on
the
general
plan
that
is
ultimately
proposed
to
you
by
your
chosen
consultant
would
be
the
council's
decision
and
not
a
matter
that
would
be
attempted
to
be
disseminated
to
the
to
an
entire
proposition
and
public
ballot,
I'm
committed
to
representative
government.
I
think
that
you
are
the
elected
representatives.
Q
B
N
I
want
to
thank
chuck
cohen,
and
my
colleague
ed
jones,
because
both
of
you
were
the
original
signatories
on
the
1970
general
plan,
which
has
actually
served
us
quite
well.
It's
preserved
open
space.
It's
provided
for
housing
parks
and
recreation.
Transportation
did
a
wonderful
job,
but
you
know
this
is
2019
now
and
we
have
an
update
for
quite
some
time,
they're
supposed
to
last
about
15
20
years,
so
we're
probably
overdue.
N
Is
that
what
it
is?
Okay,
I
I
just
have
to
take
a
minute
to
share
this
with
you
from
the
original
general
plan.
There
are
a
few
things
that
were
a
little
bit
off
from
where
we
are
today.
For
example,
there
was
supposed
to
be
180
to
200
000
people
in
the
canejo
valley.
Obviously
we
didn't
hit
that
there
could
have
been
been
as
many
as
81
000
housing
units
we
didn't
hit
that
get.
Are
you
ready
for
this?
N
The
median
age
in
the
kenejo
valley
in
1969
was
22
22
years
old
and
right
now
we're
30
seniors.
So
that's
changed
a
little
bit
manufacturing
40
of
the
jobs
you're
manufacturing
with
northrop
ibm,
here's
one
for
you,
the
capital
record
club,
not
in
existence
anymore,
and
we
don't
do
that
much
in
manufacturing.
We
were
supposed
to
have
an
airport
in
the
tierra
raja
valley,
and
it
was
going
to
be
connected
by
the
canejo
creek
freeway,
which
I
think
was
what
is
now
highway.
20
23.,
the
the
jungles
center
jungle.
N
What
was
it
called
jungle?
Land
jungle
land
behind
me-
was
supposed
to
be
end
up
as
motels,
so
that
didn't
work
out
either.
But
and
oh
we
were
supposed
to
have
a
thousand
oaks
junior
college
at
lindaro
canyon.
N
So,
as
you
can
see,
there
are
parts
of
the
plan
that
are
a
little
bit
out
of
date
and
we
it's
really
behooves
us
to
bring
this
plan
up
to
the
21st
century,
but
wonderful
job
that
you
and
your
colleagues
did
to
get
us
where
we
are.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
I
got
to
say
I
I
don't
think
the
housing
element
is
going
to
be
adequate.
Nor
do
I
think
the
focus
is
going
to
be
adequate.
N
There's
just
not
enough
public
input,
the
difference
in
cost
and
time
between
the
focused
and
the
comprehensiveness
is
so
small
that
why,
wouldn't
you
do
the
comprehensive,
then
we
get
all
the
elements
we
get
all
the
public
input
that
we
that
we
possibly
could
use
and
need
measure
e
stays.
In
effect,
we
can
lower
that
residential
capacity.
You
mentioned
that
and
that
our
residential
capacity
is
probably
too
high
at
81
000,
and
I
think
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we're
doing
this
to
make
a
more
realistic
residential
capacity.
N
We
get
the
community
input,
we
have
fiscal
sustainability.
We
look
at
our
opportunity
sites
where
we
want
to
build
whether
it
be
the
boulevard
or
the
kmart
site
or
the
mall.
All
those
things
can
be
looked
at.
We
look
at
our
job
situation.
Do
we
want
a
biotech
hub
here
in
town?
Biotech
was
never
even
mentioned
in
the
original
general
plan.
It
didn't
even
exist
at
that
time.
So
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
to
do
the
comprehensive,
and
I
think
that
gives
us
a
chance
to
update
all
the
elements,
keep
everything
consistent.
N
So
there's
an
element
really
for
everybody
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
the
community
input.
It's
going
to
be
a
great
process,
and
I
so
I
would
move
that
in
fact
we
do
allocate
the
1.5
to
raymie
and
as
far
as
the
other
issues,
I
would
say
that
I
definitely
want
to
look
at
arts
and
culture,
but
I
don't
want
to
limit
it
to
just
arts
and
culture,
because
if
you
look
at
the
sheet
here,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
climate
change.
We
could
look
at
green
building
economic,
especially
economic
development.
N
So
why
don't
we
keep
an
open
mind
and
look
at
all
these
potential
elements,
including
arts
and
culture.
I
would
also
say
that
the
surveys
definitely
a
good
idea.
There
was
one
done
in
1970
an
attitude
survey,
so
we
should
do
one
now
and
then,
as
far
as
the
vote
we're
very
early
in
the
process
very
early,
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
take
the
vote
off
the
table,
but
you
know:
let's,
let's
see
how
the
community
input
process
goes.
N
B
O
The
question
is
the
question
that
I
have
is
with:
oh,
my
goodness.
What
was
it
now.
O
Well,
let
me
let
me
I
had
it
written
down,
but
I
know
I
can't
read
my
writing.
So
let
me
let
me
hope.
Well.
E
Yeah,
if
you
seconded
motions
here,
I
would
second
that,
and
since
you
don't,
I
won't
the.
I
did
speak
to
one
party
about
this,
which
I
informed
the
assistant
city
manager.
Am
I
supposed
to
announce
that
here
orally
tonight
as
well?
That's.
E
To
mr
sean
moradian
about
this
matter,
yeah,
I
I
entirely
agree
with
what
was
just
said.
I
was
glad
to
hear
the
amount
of
community
involvement.
This
is
significantly
more
compute
community
involvement
than
we
had
in
67
through
1970
when
chuck-
and
I
were
on
the
committee-
so
I'm
very
comfortable
that,
with
all
this
community
output
that
we
would
really
be
acting
in
the
community
best
interest,
I
I've
never
favored
such
a
high
density
as
was
described.
E
It
was
my
opinion
that
we're
about
where
we
forecast
at
the
low
end
of
the
range-
and
we
planned
for
the
total
canejo
valley,
and
I
won't
take
five
minutes
to
explain
the
and
the
way
we
were
incorporated,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that
there
were
communities
in
newbury
park
that
had
tried
to
incorporate
prior
to
our
incorporation,
and
we
did
not
include
them
because
we
would
have
had
to
wait
two
years
to
do
our
incorporation
and
we
wanted
to
do
it
in
1964..
E
But
and
we
were
anticipating
that
canelo
oats
lynn,
ranch,
rolling
oats,
etc.
Would
all
you
know
want
to
come
into
the
city?
Well,
they
haven't
as
of
now
so
that
figure
that
that
I
had
in
mind
as
the
lower
end
of
the
range
we're
about
at
that
figure.
Right
now
that
doesn't
mean
we
can't
grow
a
little
bit,
but
that
figure
did
include
the
entire
canelo
valley.
E
Excuse
me,
and
in
conclusion
I
would
just
say
that
I
would
be
very
happy
to
do
it
over
again
after
49
years,
when
you
divide
that
into
the
cost.
It's
about
25
000
a
year
that
this
new
survey
or
this
new
plans
measure
option
a
is
going
to
involve.
So
I
hardly
second
it
and
look
forward
to
voting
for
it.
R
Thank
you
mayor.
Just
a
few
comments.
I
I
I'm
sort
of
a
process
driven
person.
I
think
that
the
process
that
we're
looking
at
doing
is
the
is
the
correct
process.
That
process
is
key,
though,
that
we
have
a
robust,
very
robust
public
input
on
this.
I
can't
emphasize
that
enough.
If
we
do
that
aspect
of
it
correctly,
we'll
get
good
input,
we'll
have
a
good
result.
R
A
result
of
our
process
will
also
be,
as
as
councilman
jones
has
pointed
out,
a
resetting
of
an
unrealistic
number
of
81
000
residential
structures.
As
long
as
that
number
is
out
there,
I
think
we
are
vulnerable
to
to
the
state
who
says
well.
Your
own
general
plan
calls
for
a
lot
more
housing,
then
than
you
currently
have.
That
alone
is
a
good
reason
to
redo
our
general
plan
so
that
we
can
reset
that
number.
R
I
did
go
to
some
of
the
the
seminars
of
california
league
of
cities
and,
believe
me,
the
state
is,
is
ready
to
tell
us
where
we're
going
to
put
housing,
if
all
you
need
to
do
is
look
at
the
the
proposals
that
are
being
floated
in
in
the
assembly.
R
If
you,
if
you
want
to
know
what
they're
looking
at,
they
are
say,
they
are
looking
at
mandating
locations.
So
whatever
the
result
is-
and
I
think
the
process
we're
going
in
with
will
result
in
this
result-
is
that
we
will
have
a
defensible
position
when
it
comes
to
the
state.
I
think
this
is
incumbent
upon
us
to
have
that
position
already
in
place
when
we
get
our
new
arena
numbers
in
a
few
years.
R
But
but
apart
from
all
of
that,
apart
from
the
sort
of
the
practical
reasons
for
supporting
the
the
measure,
as
we
we've
talked
about,
is
that
it
gives
the
community
the
ability
and
the
buy-in
on
a
vision
for
the
future.
R
Similar
to
what
former
mayor,
cohen
and
and
councilman
jones
did
in
1970,
the
community
was
able
to
come
together
and
see
a
vision
for
the
future,
as
as
councilman
adams
pointed
out,
they
didn't
see
all
that
in
their
crystal
ball,
wasn't
totally
clear
in
that
they
thought
there
was
going
to
be
a
college
junior
college
here
or
that
there's
there's
businesses
that
weren't
even
dreamed
of
in
those
days.
R
In
the
same
way,
we
need
to
get
everybody
in
our
town
now,
together
to
come
up
with
a
vision
where
we
want
to
see
our
city
be
in
15
to
20
years.
That
is
the
real
goal.
I
think,
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
and
I
encourage
everybody
in
the
community
when
the
when
the,
when
the
call
comes
to
come
down
to
a
city
meeting
or
when
the
survey
comes
out
to
please
do
your
due
diligence
and
contribute
to
what
we
are
going
to
be
doing
for
the
future
of
our
city.
R
B
You
thank
you
councilman
wrangler
councilman
bill
de
la
pena.
Did
you
remember
what
you
wanted
to
ask?
I
did
thank
you.
O
I
have
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
the
survey
the
we
talked
about,
perhaps
using
our
city
attitude
survey
to
focus
on
the
general
plan
to
save
cost.
That
way,
I'm
not
sure,
mr
adam,
in
your
motion,
exactly
what
what
your
your
goal
was
regarding
the
survey.
C
N
O
O
C
C
Any
changes
that
are
made
by
the
council
does
not
require
a
vote
as
long
as
it's
below
that
81
000
capacity,
obviously,
and
comprehensive
general
plan
would
significantly
reduce
that,
so
the
likelihood
of
ever
requiring
a
vote
after
this
comprehensive
general
plan
update
is
pretty
nil.
It's
very
unlikely
to
ever
happen
because
the
capacity
is
going
to
be
reduced
so
significantly
and.
O
If
we
were
to
hold
a
ballot
measure
with
the
new
baseline,
then
that
would
actually
be
substantial
that
could
guide
us
further
into
the
future.
It
could
it.
C
Could
but
that's
again,
as
as
mr
town
elaborated,
that's
something
that
we
can
look,
we
can
as
we're
going
through
a
comprehensive
general
plan
process.
That's
something
we
can
look
at
while
we're
going.
C
O
The
goal
was
to
have
a
vote,
perhaps
by
2022,
and
we
have
to
go
through
several
processes
to
in
order
to
reach
that
by
not
making
it
or
decision
tonight
or
giving
direction
tonight.
Are
we
jeopardizing
that
particular
date
in
2022?
No,
okay,.
B
With
the
the
governor
and
the
state
usurping
our
autonomy,
just
this
is
a
a
big
spend,
but
it's
one
to
protect
the
desires
of
the
community
and
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
the
motion.
So
no
more
questions,
I
guess.
Madam
clerk,
would
you
put
the
vote
together?
According
to
councilman
bradham
motion.
B
Thank
you,
congratulations
and
one
last
thing
just
to
add
to
that
the
state
will
take
every
vacant
lot.
We
have,
and
without
this
general
plan
and
no
idea
what
the
state's
going
to
do.
So,
that's
just
my
two
cents
worth.
B
G
Yes,
I
will
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
this
item
involves
a
pre-screening
review
of
a
project
that
is
proposed
at
3801
maurice
drive,
and
this
is
before
you
tonight,
because
the
property
is
currently
designated
for
commercial
purposes
and
the
property
owner
would
like
to
consider
residential
going
forward
and
so
to
enable
that
change
in
general
plan
land
use.
We
would
need
to
allocate
50
units
from
the
city-wide
measury
capacity
to
this
project.
G
Second
is:
if
you
do
choose
to
allocate
units
which
basically
starts
the
process,
then
the
second
part
is
to
initiate
an
amendment
to
the
general
plan
to
change
from
the
current
designation
of
commercial
to
high
density
residential,
which
is
15
to
30
dwelling
units
per
net
acre
and
then
finally,
the
applicant
has
requested
that
you
consider
allowing
them
to
go
forward
again
if
you
allocate
units
to
the
property
with
a
concurrent
processing
of
the
entitlements
and
the
legislative
actions,
which
is
the
general
plan,
amendment
and
zone
change.
G
G
In
terms
of
the
background
for
this
particular
request,
the
application
was
submitted
late
last
august.
I
already
mentioned
the
general
plan
designation.
It's
also
zoned
for
a
neighborhood
shopping
center,
as
we
discussed
this
tonight,
the
overall
process,
it's
just
relevant-
to
spend
a
few
moments
on
this.
We
are
at
the
very
beginning
of
a
potential
process.
So,
what's
before
you
tonight
is
whether
you
want
to
even
allocate
those
units
to
this
property.
G
We
call
that
a
pre-screen
if
you
green
light
this
project
to
go
through
the
process.
It
would
then
go
through
the
normal
process,
which
is
outlined
here
with
a
number
of
steps,
including
their
formal
application.
Environmental
analysis
planning,
commission
review
and
then
this
whole
circle
would
come
back
to
you
for
final
action
on
the
project.
G
G
You
will
have
more
information
before
you
due
to
the
environmental
analysis
and
planning
commission
review,
so
tonight
is
just
whether
you
want
to
allocate
the
units
to
the
property
and
allow
it
to
go
forward
now,
let's
zoom
in
a
little
bit
closer.
This
is
the
property
it's
at
the
northwest
corner
of
maurice
drive
in
reno,
and
you
can
see
the
albertsons
building
right
here
right
next
to
it
and
the
commercial
center
to
the
north
of
it.
The
subject
property
is
about
1.7
acres
in
size
and
it's
flat.
G
So
now,
let's
begin
to
talk
about
the
actual
concept
itself.
With
this
bird's
eye
view,
you
can
see
that
the
concept
involves
basically
five
buildings,
one
larger
one,
that's
basically
adjacent
to
the
albertson's
building
and
then
four
smaller
ones,
three
facing
maurice
and
one
facing
reno
road.
G
This
is
the
the
concept
it
basically
involves:
10
town
homes,
37
apartments,
the
town
homes
would
be
within
those
four
buildings
that
I
just
mentioned
now
we're
looking
north,
so
the
buildings
b,
c
and
d,
and
then
the
apartments
would
be
in
that
larger
building
a
at
the
back
of
the
property
and
as
you'll
see
in
a
moment
it's
a
mix
of
two
and
three
story.
Buildings
in
this
concept.
G
When
we
look
at
a
project
in
the
context
of
pre-screening,
we
look
at
these
four
criteria
and
we
look
at
the
same
criteria
for
all
such
requests.
Suitability
of
the
site
for
the
proposed
use,
the
design
quality.
The
provision
of
regional
housing
needs
assessment
units.
That's
a
state
mandated
housing
number
that
we
have
to
try
to
meet
and
then
community
benefits.
G
When
staff
looked
at
the
proposal
and
studied
it
just
for
at
a
very
sort
of
30
000
foot
level,
it
seemed
to
to
staff
that
residential
use
at
the
site
is
more
appropriate
than
commercial,
more
compatible
with
the
residential
to
the
south
and
basically
in
the
neighborhoods,
to
both
sides.
G
The
site
is
within
walking
distance,
obviously
to
commercial,
but
also
to
parks,
bus,
stop
and
nearby
open
space
and
trails,
public
trails,
and
it
would
add
some
diversity
to
the
housing
opportunities
in
the
area.
There
are
no
apartments
in
this
area.
G
This
is
a
playground
area
up
here
in
the
northeast
corner,
again
a
common
area
and
then
over
here
would
be
a
pool
and
spa
complex,
which
would
be
available
to
both
the
apartment
residents
and
the
town
homeowners.
G
This
is
a,
I
think,
a
helpful
cross
section,
showing
a
a
view
with
the
albertson's
building
on
the
right,
and
then
you
can
see
the
apartment,
building
the
closest,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
this
image
three
stories
over
an
underground
parking
layer
or
level.
G
In
terms
of
the
apartment,
building
staff
feels
that
the
architecture
is
compatible
with
appropriate
and
in
fact
this
case
really
significant
articulation
varied
roofline,
as
you
can
see
in
these
elevations
to
the
right.
The
top
elevation
are
the
east
and
west
views.
The
middle
elevation
in
this
image
is
the
south
elevation
and
if
you
look
at
the
very
bottom
image
here,
this
is
now
looking
as
if
you
were
standing
on
reno
and
looking
west.
So
you
have
the
albertsons
building
on
the
right,
and
you
can
see
here.
G
This
is
another
view
now
of
the
town
homes
and
the
way
that
this
concept
works
is
that
they
are
in
both
two
and
three
story:
configurations:
two
story
on
reno;
two,
two,
two
three
story
at
the
northwest
corner
of
reno
and
maurice
and
then
three-story
elements
for
the
two
townhome
buildings
on
maurice
on
the
west
side
of
the
property.
So.
G
When
we,
when
we
look
down
here,
just
so
we're
really
clear,
so
this
is
the
albertsons
building
here.
On
the
right
hand,
side,
this
is
the
apartment
building
behind
that's
the
three-story
building.
These
are
the
townhomes
facing
reno
two
stories.
This
is
the
corner,
building
two
stories,
stepping
up
to
three
and
then
three
behind.
G
So
that's
how
the
the
height
and
story
concept
is
laid
out.
We
may
see
some
minor
setback
deviations
going
forward
but
believe
that
overall,
this
is
from
a
functional
standpoint,
a
workable
design.
G
So
this
is
the
site
looking
northwest
albertson's
building
in
the
back,
that
large
white,
larger
white
building,
and
then
this
is
what
the
concept
would
look
like
so
again,
two-story
town
home
here
to
the
right
two
stepping
up
to
three-story
town
home
here
and
then
two
separate
three-story
town
hall
buildings
to
the
left.
So
again,
just
so
we're
all
clear.
G
In
terms
of
the
third
screening
criteria,
this
regional
housing
needs
assessment.
As
I
mentioned
before,
it's
a
state
mandated
housing
requirement.
We
essentially
receive
a
number
eight,
every
eight
years
where
the
city
is
mandated
to
to
meet
that
target,
and
it's
broken
down
into
different
income
categories.
G
G
The
final
criterion
is
that
of
community
benefits
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
staff
feels
that
overall
residential
use
is
a
more
appropriate
site
at
that
location
than
additional
commercial.
It
would
provide
additional
house
stock
and
and
options
for
that
neighborhood.
The
five
moderate
income
units
do
classify
as
affordable.
G
They
would
not
be
market
rate
per
se
and
then
because
the
property
is
commercial
and
because
measurey
addresses
both
residential
and
commercial
capacity.
The
conversion
potentially
from
commercial
to
residential,
would
actually
put
this
acreage
into
the
city-wide
pool
for
commercial
potential
use
which
currently
has
about
four
acres
in
that
pool.
G
So
with
that
staff's
recommendation
is
that
city
council
allocate
the
50
units
of
the
city-wide
residential
capacity
to
the
project.
Subject
to
that
requirement
that
the
applicant
submit
their
application
within
a
year
and
also
to
initiate
the
general
plan,
land
use
amendment
and
also
to
allow
concurrent
processing
of
entitlements
and
the
legislative
requests,
and
with
that
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
also
to
my
left
is
kari
finley
senior,
planner
and
case
planner
for
this
project.
So
thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you,
mr
town,
we'll
have
council
questions
and
then
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant
they'll
have
15
minutes,
then
we'll
have
public
comments
and
then
a
five
minute
rebuttal
from
the
applicant.
So
I
open
it
up
for
questions
from
the
council
and,
let's
begin
with
council
member
bill
de
la
pena,.
O
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
mr
town,
the
I'm
not
sure
whether
the
applicant,
I
believe
it's
when
you
and
I
actually
toured
the
site.
Yesterday,
you
mentioned
that
the
applicant
reached
out
to
neighbors.
B
O
O
G
Well,
the
the
patterns
from
residential
traffic
are
different
from
commercial
traffic,
commercial
traffic
tends
to
be
more
evenly
distributed.
Residential
traffic
will
have
its
its
peaks
in
the
morning
and
evening
commute
times,
but
for
anything
beyond
that,
I'd
have
to
turn
to
our
our
co-workers
in
public
works.
H
I'm
city
engineer
as
as
far
as
traffic
again,
as
you
stated,
we
have
not
done
a
detailed
evaluation
that
will
be
done
as
as
the
project
assuming
it
gets.
The
allocation
moves
forward,
but
in
general
terms,
that
current
use
is
commercial
and
in
a
commercial
zone
the
the
traffic
generated
could
actually
be
in
total
number
of
trips,
very
similar
to
the
that
for
the
residential
or
the
proposed
project.
H
O
G
We
discussed
two
stories
in
terms
of
stepping
up
to
the
albertsons
building
and
stepping
down
toward
reno,
including
the
northwest
corner.
We
felt
that
three
stories
was
was
reasonable
for
a
portion
of
the
property
given
the
height
of
the
the
alverson's
building,
so
that
the
the
maximum
height
for
the
two
structures
is
approximately
the
same.
G
E
Yeah
just
a
question
about
what
is
considered
moderate
income
and
additionally,
is
that
in
the
scope
of
what
the
governor
is
talking
about,
or
is
he
talking
about
just
low-income
housing?
Would
this
meet
part
of
his
goals.
G
So
moderate
income
housing
is
is
based
on
a
percentage
of
a
county-wide
income
level
of
median
income
level.
So
it's
80
to
120
percent
of
the
area
wide
median
income
so
for
the
area
median
is
96
thousand
dollars
for
a
family
of
four
for
ventura
county.
So
moderate
income
would
range
from
approximately
eighty
one
thousand
to
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollar
annual
income
for
a
family
of
four.
That's.
G
So
in
terms
of
what
the
state
requires
through
their
housing
allocation,
we
have
to
provide
housing
in
in
four
different
categories,
above
moderate,
moderate,
low
and
very
low,
and
so
right
now
we
have
met
our
moderate
income
targets.
We
have
met
our
above
moderate
income
targets,
we're
still
working
on
our
low
and
very
low
income
targets.
E
Okay
and
just
to
have
it
understood
by
myself
and
everyone
here
tonight,
this
is
a
rather
low
level
of
approval.
Isn't
it
I
mean
this
is
sort
of
like
when
I
was
with
the
county.
We
used
to
call
it
a
red
light,
green
light
hearing,
in
other
words,
this
isn't
set
in
concrete
these
pictures
and
levels.
This
could
be
moderated
correct
a
year
from
now
or
whenever
this
comes
back,
correct,.
G
This
this
is
what's
before.
You
is
a
concept,
and
when
we
go
through
this
step,
we
want
a
concept
that
is
detailed
enough,
so
that
we
think
the
design
actually
functions
that
actually
works,
that
it
meets
our
cities
and
and
states
numerical
quantitative
standards,
these
types
of
things,
driveway
width
and
parking
standards,
and
things
like
that,
but
not
get
into
too
much
detail
because
you,
it
is
a
green
light
red
light
decision
for
you
tonight
green
light.
G
It
allows
the
project
to
go
through
the
process
and
it
could
easily
be
modified
between
tonight
and
the
ultimate
project
that
you
see
come
back
to
you
in
part.
Based
on
your
your
input
tonight,
we
use
this.
The
same
scenario
unfolded
with
pinecrest,
where
it
was
going
from
a
school
to
residential,
and
you
asked
that
there
would
be
a
significant,
affordable
component
for
seniors
and
they
actually
came
back
ultimately
with
a
design
that
reflected
that.
So
yes,
it's
very
early
in
the
process.
G
This
is
the
concept
that
we
see
tonight,
a
fort
of
47,
the
the
50
unit
allocations
based
on
the
general
plan.
Land
use
change
I
see,
but
I
wouldn't
anticipate
there-
would
be
additional
units
because
of
the
the
constraints
in
terms
of
parking
and
setbacks
and
things.
G
Absolutely
and
and
again,
your
decision
will
be
eliminated
by
the
environmental
analysis
and
by
planning
commission's
review
in
the
interim.
R
Yes,
thank
you
mayor,
mr
town.
We
are
at
the
conceptual
stage
of
this
whole
process.
As
we
move
forward,
can
you
discuss
a
little
bit
how
you
would
identify
and
try
to
mitigate
any
traffic
issues
that
may
exist
at
that
corner
or
in
the
neighborhood?
How
would
that
process
go
about.
G
Well,
we
would
first
of
all
evaluate
the
project
according
to
the
california
environmental
equality
act
and
the
type
of
project
that
is
ultimately
proposed
will
drive
that
process
to
some
degree.
A
key
part
of
that
analysis
will
be
traffic.
We
will
have
a
traffic
expert,
look
at
the
proposed
project.
They
will
look
at
the
anticipated
trips
that
would
be
generated
by
the
the
the
planned
land
use.
G
Absolutely
right
so,
when
we
prepare
or
have
a
consultant
prepare
these
these
analyses
they
are
made
available
for
public
review
and
we
respond
to
all
comments
on
on
the
document,
whether
it's
what
we
call
a
mitigated
negative
declaration
or
an
environmental
impact
report,
there's
a
public
review
period.
N
G
That's
correct:
we
currently
have
have
met
roughly
300
percent
of
our
moderate
income
target.
G
Correct
right
now
we
we
have
a
need
of
120
units,
but
assuming
that
the
that
the
299
project
goes
forward
which
has
11
very
low
income,
then
it
brings
us
that
down
to
109.
it
could
be
brought
down
further
with
the
pinecrest
project.
But
that's
yes.
The
the
credit
is
allocated
at
a
later
point
in
the
process.
Okay,.
N
G
B
All
right
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
just
to
give
you
fair
warning
folks
are
concerned
that
they
haven't
been
reached
tonight
and
would
like
it
if
you'd
address
that,
and
so
welcome,
mr
cohen
come
on
up
and
share.
If
you
would.
Q
Q
Relation
actually
albert's
father
ned
is
goes
by
cohan
c-o-h-a-m,
so
so.
Q
It
is
a
personal
and
professional
pleasure
this
evening
to
appear
before
this
relatively
new
council
and
to
offer
appreciation
for
your
most
diligent
staff,
carrie
finley,
kelvin,
parker
and
mark
town
who
have
reviewed
parts
of
this
project
all
the
way
through
for
the
last
six
or
seven
months.
Q
Your
staff
is
accurately
and
concisely,
presented
and
portrayed
these
villas
in
their
oral
and
written
presentations
tonight.
Initially,
we
want
you
to
know.
We
acknowledge
that
a
positive
outcome
tonight
is
merely
the
opening
first
step
toward
project
evaluation
under
city
standards,
ordinances
and
policies
and
the
california
environmental
quality
act.
Q
We
understand
that
there
is
no
reliance
entitled
under
this
practical
pre-screen
procedure
that
you
have
adopted
further.
We
have
related
said
acknowledgement
to
our
I
didn't
personally,
but
mr
cohen
has
talked
to
many
of
the
neighbors
across
maurice
drive
actually
over
the
past
11
or
12
years,
since
this,
this
concept
of
whether
or
not
to
use
that
parcel
to
do
additional
retail
or
to
do
some
kind
of
an
other,
more
useful
purpose
now
emanates.
Q
Present
tonight,
with
with
me,
are
albert
cohen,
the
who's,
the
the
family
partnership
general
partner
project,
architect,
tom
oswalt
and
tom
cohen,
all
of
whom
will
be
available
to
answer
specific
questions
that
either
I
am
not
competent
to
do,
or
that
would
augment
my
comments
to
you.
Q
You
are
aware,
and
we
confirm
that
the
cohen
family
is
requesting
consideration
of
a
general
plan-
amendment
a
tentative
set
aside,
a
tentative
set
aside
of
50
measure
e
residential
units
from
the
city-wide
pool
and
concurrent
processing.
Essentially,
we
are
bringing
this
assidually
assiduously
prepared
concept
plan
and
its
elevations
before
you
for
your
initial
preliminary,
look
with
the
hope
that
you
will
find
it
worthy
for
filing
and
evaluation
pursuant
to
standard
city
processing.
Q
Actually,
it
is
a
horizontal
hybrid
of
mixed
use,
retail
and
residential
as
the
final
piece,
the
final
piece
of
the
cohen
family
reno
road
plan.
That
was
an
85-acre
plan
which
has
evolved
now
with
the
albertson
shopping
center
housing
to
the
south,
and
this.
This
final
1.67
acre
parcel
that
has
been
left
vacant.
Q
Q
On
the
on
the
west
side
of
this
property,
I
I
would
call
to
your
attention
is
that
there
is
land
that
is
currently
valuable
to
the
entire
watershed
area
and
to
the
homes
that
are
affected
by
that
watershed
area
to
the
south
and
to
the
west
by
a
flood
control
channel
that
was
approved
by
the
county
flood
watershed
protection
district
several
years
ago
that
that
contribution
of
land
by
this
family
has
not
only
allowed
for
that
project.
Q
Q
Q
Q
As
a
result
of
that
meeting,
the
the
neighbors
were
asked.
What
would
they
prefer
to
see
on
this
on
this
site
and
the
overwhelming
answer
was
we'd
prefer
to
see
housing
but
slightly
different,
less
expensive
and
less
less
of
the
same
size
and
type
as
ours
on
the
south
side,
maurice
drive,
so
the
pre.
The
reason
that
albert
deviated
from
the
the
existing
zoning
of
the
property
was
to
comply
with
the
requests
of
of
those
homeowners.
Q
I
mean
we're
talking
about
school
teachers
and
and
police
police
officers
and
fire
people,
people
in
the
in
the
workforce,
at
levels
of
income
that
need
housing
of
this
type,
with
no
visual
differentiation
between
those
units
and
the
and
the
market
rate
units.
There
would
also
be
three
moderate,
moderate
apartment
units
that
would
be
available
on
a
exclusive
basis
to
seniors
for
a
period
of
run
out
time.
Q
Although,
although
these
would
be
qualifying
attractive
buildings
with
full-size
patios
and
decks,
there's
there's
no
there's
been
no
effort
to
increase
the
density
of
the
site
beyond
the
allowance
under
the
destiny
designation
requested,
and
so
there's
no
bonus
density
being
that's
involved
here.
Q
Q
B
So
at
this
time
we're
going
to
have
public
comments
and
then,
following
that,
you'll
have
an
opportunity
for
rebuttal
and
folks,
thank
you
for
coming
out
tonight.
This
is
very
helpful
for
us
as
a
council,
our
desire
is
obviously
this
is
a
vacant
lot
and
zone
for
commercial
and
desire
to
put
residential
and
you
like
me,
we
live
in
that
area,
so
we're
anxious
to
hear
from
you
our
first
speaker
tonight
will
be
jared
frelich.
Did
I
pronounce
that
correctly?
S
This
is
the
beginning
of
that
process,
but
what
I
hear
is
that
this
really
becomes
that
project
they're,
showing
you
pictures
of
that
project
to
entice
the
council
on
what
could
be
with
that
lot,
and
so
I
think
that
it's
a
reasonable
decision
for
the
council
to
make
to
not
approve
the
allocation
of
those
hours.
What
I
liked
actually
about
that
picture
that
you
showed
was
that
there
was
a
no
queue
of
cars
lined
up
going
down
maurice
trying
to
get
on
to
reyno
avenue.
S
S
I
live
right
off
maurice,
which
is
a
street
that
runs
parallel
to
reno.
Coming
down
more
excuse
me
on
fallbrook,
coming
down.
Maurice
you
have
two
streets
that
run
parallel.
You
have
fallbrook
to
the
left.
You
have
coldwater
creek
to
the
right
and
what
happens
is
when
you
get
a
backup
of
cars
on
maurice
people
start
filtering
into
these
parallel
streets
so
that
they
can
get
to
the
other
exits
on
the
opposite
sides.
S
One
is
kimber
on
the
opposite
side
of
fall
brook,
I
don't
remember
the
name
of
the
other
street
on
the
opposite
side
of
coldwater
creek.
But
what
you're
going
to
have
is
additional
cars
brought
on
by
the
additional
47
units,
who
will
all
have
drivers
backing
up
maurice
drive,
which
is
a
blinding
from
the
light
of
the
sun
in
the
morning,
going
down
these
residential
streets
to
alleviate
and
get
to
their
places
of
business,
their
daycare
their
schools
as
quickly
as
possible.
S
The
traffic
situation
for
this
project
will
be
enormous.
I'm
glad
that
the
city
will
do
its
part
and
look
into
that,
but
I
think
stop
this
now.
While
we
have
the
opportunity
to
not
allocate
those
50
units.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Folks,
we
got
a
lot
of
speakers
tonight
and
I
appreciate
your
enthusiasm
and
we
we
recognize
you're
enthusiastic,
but
between
the
clapping
it's
going
to
take
quite
a
while,
maybe
smile
or
groan,
or
something,
but
just
the
lengthy
clapping
we
get
it.
We
know
how
you
feel
about
it.
So
please
be
mindful
that
we're
grateful
you're
here
next
speaker
will
be
skip.
Roberts.
J
J
The
parcel
is
been
opened
for
years
and
it
could
use
some
attention
and
residential
would,
I
think,
fit
in
there.
Okay,
the
besides
the
back
wall
of
albertsons,
the
back
part
of
that
parcel
has
the
service
driveway.
That
goes
into
the
shopping
center
off
of
maurice
and
in
fact,
the
110
residential
units
that
are
on
fallbrook
and
in
the
twin
oaks.
J
Homeowners
association
were
all
developed
as
a
result
of
a
court
decision
by
a
solomon-like
judge
when
the
city
presented
their
case,
and
mr
cohen
presented
his
case,
those
110
homes
along
fallbrook
and
back
on
the
back
side
back
there
are
all
on
substandard
sized
lots.
The
streets
are
all
very,
very
small.
The
setbacks
on
the
single
family
detached
homes
are
very
close
to
those
interior
streets.
Those
streets
are
private.
J
At
one
point
in
time,
the
homeowners
association
did
explore
the
issue
of
providing
some
gates,
the
cross
traffic
on
fallbrook
avenue
that
the
homeowner
association
bears
the
responsibility
for
maintaining
has
always
come.
You
know
from
other
people
that
are
using
those
private
streets
to
access
back
and
forth.
T
Thank
you,
my
name
is
melanie.
Rudis
can.
T
T
T
T
T
I
just
you
know:
I've
lived
there
for
12
years.
I
do
remember
someone
coming
to
my
door
quite
a
while
ago,
maybe
10
years
ago.
Saying
hey.
Would
you
like
an
apartment
complex
on
this
lot?
And
I
said
no,
I
would
not,
and
the
same
is
true
today
I
feel
like
it's
kind
of
a
bait
and
switch
because
we
like
living
where
we
live,
because
it's
not
high
density.
T
T
I'm
a
little
bit
surprised
that
albertsons
is
not
here
saying
this
is
a
no-go
because
that
that
driveway,
that
goes
to
the
back
of
their
stores,
where
all
their
trucks
unload
and
that
can
get
a
little
bit
crowded
on
tuesdays
and
sundays
when
their
load-in
comes
in.
So,
if
you
maybe
are
you
know,
fighting
with
like
parking,
they're
gonna
have
trouble
getting
their.
You
know
trucks
in
there
as
well,
so
1.7
acres.
T
It
is
not
a
lot
of
space,
it
is
a
small
lot,
so
I
was
shocked
when
I
found
out
they
want
to
do
all
of
that
on
this.
It
is
not
a
big
lot
at
all
so
anyway,
to
see
that
we're
going
to
potentially
have
a
three-story
high-rise
or
a
three-story
apartment,
complex
right
in
our
backyard.
It's
like
a
bad
dream
honestly.
T
T
B
T
Is
not
my
forte
good
evening,
mayor
mccoy
and
city
council
members,
I'm
here
to
state
today
to
state
my
opposition
to
mr
cohen's
plans
to
turn
a
small
1.7
acre
parcel
of
land
into
50
residential
units.
I
actually
own
two
homes
within
blocks
of
this
property,
one
in
twin
oaks
and
the
other
in
oak
creek
canyon.
T
T
My
husband
I've
lived
there
since
2010,
and
I
never
received
an
invitation
to
any
meeting
regarding
this
lot.
The
traffic
of
the
corner
of
rare
east
and
maurice
and
arena
was
already
increased
progressively,
since
my
husband
and
I
moved
here
in
2010.,
adding
another
200
people
will
only
increase
traffic
noise
and
congestion.
T
T
T
B
And
then
following
him
will
be
barry
billy
barron.
Excuse
me:
billy
barron.
S
Well,
as
a
17-year
resident
on
maurice
drive
only
a
few
hundred
yards
away
from
the
1.7
acre
lot,
and
I
must
repeat
that
again:
it's
a
1.7
acre
lot.
S
It
is
absolutely,
I
can't
even
wrap
my
mind
around
at
least
200
cars
in
and
out
of
there
day
and
night,
and
this
is
just
a
real
life
example
before
this
high
density
proposal.
S
My
wife
and
I
who
live
on
maurice
drive
just
to
turn
left
into
our
driveway,
which
should
just
be
an
easy
task
many
times,
if
we're
lucky
enough
to
be
able
to
pull
over
to
let
cars
pass,
because
cars
are
already
stacked
up
on
maurice
drive
the
other
day
because
it
was
stacked
up.
We
couldn't
even
pull
into
our
driveway
because
of
all
the
traffic.
S
Another
car
tried
to
go
around
and
pass
us
because
we
had
to
wait
for
a
family
walking.
So,
however,
this
gets
twisted
or
shown
pictures
just
please
envision.
This
1.7
acre
parcel
a
minimum
of
200
plus
cars
in
and
out
day
and
night,
just
think
of
the
safety
and
visibility
issues
I
mean
it's
I
mean
I
can
go
on
and
take
more
of
my
time,
but
it's
it's
really
a
non-starter
if
you
just
just
as
common
decency,
wrap
your
head
around.
S
B
You,
sir
next
will
be
billy
barron
and
then
following
mr
barron
will
be
jennifer
mccloud,
mr
barron,
okay,.
B
J
B
J
Traffic
on
maurice
is
really
kind
of
bad
news.
It's
recognized
as
a
quick
way
to
get
around
the
stoplights
on
kimber
and
the
stoplight
at
albertsons.
People
cut
down
there
and
then
go
over,
and
you
know
even
school
mothers
taking
kids
in
and
out
of
school.
J
I
J
Amount,
it
just
poses
a
awful
lot
of
problems
that
are
way
beyond
that
neighborhood
there
I
live
in
the
old
creek
area,
they've
been
there
since
they
built
the
houses,
nice
quiet
little
neighborhood
like
it.
That
way,
I
don't
want
a
three-story
apartment
in
my
backyard,
didn't
buy
a
house
for
that
and
as
far
as
the
the
mix
of
the
people
that
live
in
that
area,
we
already
have
policemen,
teachers
and
medium
income,
people
living
in
our
area
and
very
quietly,
and
happily
that's
about
it
right
there.
J
B
Jennifer
mcleod
and
then
following
miss
mcleod
will
be
suzanne
barnesdale.
T
Good
evening,
thank
you
thanks
for
your
time.
I
would
also
like
to
echo
my
concern
and
opposition.
This
area
is
next
to
an
already
congested
two-lane
road.
One
can
hardly
turn
out
of
maurice
safely
as
it
is.
In
addition,
there
are
already
cars
from
the
brighton
lane.
Neighborhood
parked
next
to
this
site,
due
to
lack
of
parking
within
the
brighton
lane.
Neighborhood
large
produce
trucks,
access
the
adjacent
road
delivering
groceries
day
and
night,
adding
to
the
traffic
and
lack
of
parking
with
a
high
density
residential
project
is
not
appropriate
or
safe
for
this
site.
T
T
B
C
B
H
Evening,
my
name
is
eric
tremble.
I
live
in
a
cypress.
Sorry
in
the
twin
oak,
twin
oak,
community
check.
R
H
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
and
I
really
do
enjoy
being
able
to
take
part
in
the
civic
process.
I
guess
my
concerns
and
and
the
things
I'd
like
to
to
bring
up
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
wing
it
like
the
old
days
of
at
moorpark
college
in
my
public
speaking
class.
H
I'd
like
to
just
thank
you
that
for
your
comments
about
really
caring
about
the
community
and
about
having
our
opinion
and
that
our
opinion
should
be
mattered,
because
you
are
representative
of
government
and
the
thing
that
I
have
a
problem
with
is
that
we've
been
given
no
opportunity
through
a
lack
of
outreach.
I
can't
speak
for
the
community
directly
across
from
the
project,
which
is
called.
H
H
We've
been
given
no
outreach
and
no
opportunities
by
happenstance
that
most
of
us
have
come
together
tonight
to
be
here,
and
I
think
that
that's
very
indicative
of
why
it's
very
important
to
get
that
opportunity
for
us
and
the
community
members
to
have
a
voice,
because
you
are
representative
of
that
and
my
understanding
is
you
just
passed
a
motion
to
to
develop
the
plan
for
the
city,
which
will
may
include
this
parcel
of
land
as
well,
and
so
I
would
encourage,
if
there's
any
vote,
to
be
put
off
towards
an
opportunity,
when
not
only
the
public
has
had
an
opportunity
to
comment.
H
But
then
you
as
well
have
done
your
due
diligence
in
in
deciding
what
proper
land
uses
are
to
include
this
particular
section
of
lot.
H
I
appreciate
the
comments
from
jeff
and
melanie,
and
I
forgot
all
your
names
already,
but
parking
is
an
issue
and
not
only
is
an
issue
if
you,
if
you
were
to
bring
up
that
overhead
view
that
you
had
of
the
plot
of
the
proposed
graphic,
it
would
show
that
the
access
road
for
albertsons
is
the
primary
means
for
the
underground
parking
structure
to
have
the
residents
of
that
structure
to
go
in
and
out
of
that
particular
structure,
and
I
think
that's
not
appropriate.
H
I
looked
at
the
general
rules
and
plans
and
policies
and
goals
and
high
density
structures
and
and
residential
areas
are
supposed
to
be
from
my
understanding,
close
to
the
ventura
freeway
and
and
close
to
the
to
the
access
points
of
that
where
this
is
in
the
back
back
half
of
newbury
park.
So
that
would
be
an
issue
as
well.
H
I
have
19
seconds
measure
e,
I
think
also
what
would
apply
here
if
you
guys
are
going
to
vote
for
that,
that
that
should
also
be
a
part
of
the
public
process
to
vote
for
it
as
well.
But
thank
you
for
your
time.
Well,.
P
P
I
live
around
the
corner
from
this
site.
The
proposal
for
high
density
zone
change
and
30
units
to
the
acre
absolutely
makes
no
sense.
For
many
reasons-
and
here
are
just
a
few
30
units
to
the
acre
is
not
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
period.
The
neighborhood
is
comprised
with
medium
low
and
very
low
densities
respectively.
P
There
are
thousands
of
detached
single-family
homes
in
this
neighborhood.
No
apartments,
no
multi-family.
But
let's
put
this
request
in
perspective.
According
to
city
general
plan,
I
went
on
to
google
and
did
some
measurements.
The
first
existing
high-density
property
is
1.1
miles
away
from
this
site.
It's
in
dos
viento.
It's
a
master
plan
community
that
prepared
for
density.
P
P
One
is
on
on
wendy
and
the
other
one
is
on
orchard,
and
these
were
built
in
the
sick
in
the
seventies
and
are
only
two
stories
in
height.
This
proposal
is
a
classic
spot.
Zoning
request
period
when
it
comes
to
height
in
the
proposed
building.
Three
stories
does
not
make
sense
as
well.
In
fact,
within
two
and
a
half
mile
radius,
there's
only
one
build,
there's
only
one
property.
That
is
three
stories
only
one
in
two
and
a
half
miles.
P
P
P
B
Thank
you,
mr
hansen.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir
suzanne
hansen,
followed
by
john
kenyon.
C
You
I
wasn't
really
planning
on
speaking
and
coming
after
my
husband,
that
was
a
little.
You
know,
he's
very
eloquent
this
way
because
it's
his
business,
he
actually
works
and
does
a
lot
of
low-income
senior
housing
and
affordable
housing.
So
he
definitely
knows
where
he's
coming
from,
but
I
think
everybody
kind
of
does
that
is
against
this
proposal
and
I
am
against
this
development.
I
am
also
not
against
you
developing
this
property.
C
I
think
that
ultimately,
it
could
be
made
into
something
quite
useful
for
the
community,
but
not
what's
proposed
right
now.
That
high
density
is
a
bit
crazy.
I
used
to
work
in
new
home
development,
so
I
you
know,
I
appreciate
the
albertsons
that
you
guys
built
and
that
we
all
use
and
and
and
enjoy,
but
the
the
high
density
that
they're
talking
about
here
is
definitely
not
good.
My
son
witnessed
one
of
the
accidents
that
is
on
that
intersection
between
maurice
and
reno.
It's
just
a
really
very
tight
corridor.
C
I
can't
even
imagine
having
that
much
more.
I
know.
That's
kind
of
a
typical
argument
against
development
is:
is
the
traffic
consideration,
but
this
is
really
bad
over
there,
so
anyways,
I
just
hope
you
guys
can
come
up
with
something
that
would
be,
I
think,
personally,
more
advantageous
for
everybody,
but
not
with
what
it's
proposed
right
now.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your.
B
C
B
I
Sir,
thank
you
thank
you
mayor
and
council
and
staff.
I
appreciate
your
your
okay.
I
I
If
this
project
continues,
there's
going
to
be
a
whole
lot
more
people
here.
This
is
much
more
than
your
well.
You
were
talking
earlier
also
about
500
people
you're
going
to
pull
to
to
for
the
general
plan
and
that's
like
two
tenths
of
a
percent
of
the
people
of
thousand
oaks,
and
I'm
not
sure
what
percentage
we
got
here,
but
it
seems
like
we
at
least
meet
that.
I
I
It
doesn't
look
like
a
good
good
solution,
a
good
deal
for
for
the
people
that
are
already
there
or
for
the
the
future
residents.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
B
Q
It
was
our
impression
that
there
had
been
sufficient
outreach
that
we
were
not
going
to
hear
the
testimony
that
you
that
you
received
this
evening.
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
with
traffic
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
the
this
property
is
going
to
be
developed
one
way
or
the
other,
and
that
the
traffic
issue
perhaps
needs
further
attention.
B
A
B
All
right
still
with
your
rebuttal,
with
the
five
minute
recess,
mr
cohen,.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council.
I
I
I
want
to
personally
apologize
to
the
to
these
neighbors
and
to
the
council.
We
I
I've
been
informed
this
evening
that
we
did
not
reach
out
to
the
twin
oaks
homeowners
association
group,
which
I
think
is
the
majority
of
the
folks
that
were
speaking
here
tonight.
Q
It
is
our
intention
to
do
that.
We
would
ask
that
the
council
will
allow
this
matter
to
be
continued
until
we've
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
and
speak
with
these
folks
to
see.
If,
if
we
can
come
to
a
understanding
that
would
make
sense
for
both
the
property
owner,
who
has
this
commercial
site
as
well
as
these
folks
that
that
have
lived
there
and
want
to
have
a
high
quality
of
life
that
we
all
agree
with.
So
with
that,
I
simply
request
the
council
continue.
This
probably
I
would,
I
would
suggest
45
days.
B
B
We
have
we
we're
looking
for
a
motion,
so
I'm
gonna
call
on
council
member
adam.
B
N
You
mayor,
mr
cohen,
appreciate
your
reasonableness.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
coming
out
this
evening.
I
will
move
that
we
continue
9b
to
a
time
sometime
in
the
future.
B
Folks,
please,
mr
cohen,
we
encourage
the
outreach
and
we
we're
grateful
for
your
effort
and
the
folks
are
interested
in
talking
with
you
and
so
45
days.
We've
got
a
motion,
madam
clerk.
If
you
would.
E
Very
quick,
I
would
just
say
that
I
spoke
to
mr
cohen
about
this
matter
before
the
meeting
tonight
and
I
am
in
support
of
the
continuance.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
sir.
You
want
to
recount
it
for
me.
C
Yeah,
just
the
just
to
clarify
the
motion
is
to
continue
to
a
date
uncertain,
so
that
staff
has
an
opportunity
to
work
with
the
developer
on
appropriate
time
to
bring
it
back
to
the
council.
B
B
Could
you
exit
quietly
it's
where
you
keep
your
voices
down,
it's
kind
of
a
novel
concept.
Thank
you.
H
L
The
purpose
of
tonight's
user
fee
study
session
is
to
review
what
a
user
fee
is,
including
other
various
fee
types
that
are
also
included
in
the
user
fees
manual,
as
well
as
provide
an
overview
on
the
document
and
the
process
that
staff
undertook
to
develop
the
draft
user
fees
manual,
including
the
proposed
changes
in
fees
for
the
next
two
fiscal
years.
This
is
a
study
session,
so
this
is
the
opportunity
for
city,
council
and
the
public
to
provide
input
on
the
draft
user
fees
manual.
L
Tonight
kicks
off
the
start
of
the
city's
fiscal
year,
2019-20
and
fiscal
year,
20
20
21
biennial
budget
process.
Over
the
next
few
months,
we
will
hold
multiple
study
sessions
to
review
user
fees,
the
cip
budget
and
operating
budget
prior
to
holding
public
hearings
for
adoption
of
the
user
fees
and
the
budgets.
The
draft
user
fee
manual
includes
274
fees
with
over
700
sub-component
fee
types.
L
The
fees
comprise
both
development
development,
related
user
fees
and
non-development
related
user
fees.
The
draft
user
fees
were
presented
to
the
finance
audit
committee
for
review
and
discussion
on
february
20th
before
we
dive
into
the
draft
user
fee
manual,
it's
important
to
define
what
exactly
is
a
user
fee
which
is
distinctly
different
than
a
tax.
L
So
back
in
november
2010
the
public
voted
on
and
approved
proposition
26,
which
is
specifically
defined.
What
constituted
attacks
the
proposition
defined
attacks
as
any
levy
charge,
exaction
of
any
kind
imposed
by
a
local
government
that
doesn't
meet
one
of
the
seven
exceptions
set
forth
in
proposition
26,
whereas
a
fee,
on
the
other
hand,
is
charged
to
an
individual
or
group
that
actually
receives
a
private
benefit
from
the
service
that
is
provided.
L
A
good
example
of
this
would
be
the
city's
library
which
is
funded
both
by
taxes
and
by
fees.
The
library
itself
provides
a
public
benefit
and
thus
is
funded
primarily
by
taxes.
A
homeowner
in
the
city
pays
property
taxes
annually,
of
which
a
portion
of
their
property
taxes
go
to
fund
the
city's
library.
L
A
homeowner
pays
those
taxes,
whether
or
not
they
actually
receive
a
benefit
or
services
from
the
library
and
whether
they
ever
step
foot
inside
the
library.
The
library
user
fees
included
in
this
draft
manual
presented
tonight,
however,
are
only
paid
by
individuals
or
groups
that
actually
receive
a
benefit
or
a
service
from
the
fee.
They
pay,
such
as
a
rental
of
a
library,
meeting
room
or
the
use
of
a
copier.
L
L
As
mentioned,
there
are
seven
exceptions
in
proposition
26
to
attacks.
The
first
exception
is
the
specific
benefit
or
privilege,
an
example
of
which
is
a
fee
charged
for
a
restricted
parking
permit.
The
second
exception
is
the
specific
government
service
or
product,
which
is
a
charge
only
paid
by
individuals
that
request
that
service.
The
library
copying
fee
I
mentioned
previously,
is
a
good
example
of
that
type
of
exception.
L
The
regulatory
charges
exception
is
a
fee
charge
to
regulate
a
specific
business,
such
as
taxi
operators,
as
staff
incurs
costs
to
ensure
that
the
business
meets
specific
regulatory
requirements
and
issue
licenses.
The
fourth
is
user
charges,
which
is
a
specific
regulatory.
Sorry.
The
fourth
is
utercharges,
which
is
a
charge
for
the
use
of
entrance
to
a
government
property
such
as
the
rental
of
the
library
meeting
room
and
the
fifth
are
fines
and
penalties,
such
as
parking
citations.
L
The
sixth
is
developer,
charges
which
are
charges
imposed
as
a
condition
of
development
plan,
check
fees,
building,
permit
fees,
and
the
seventh
exception
is
the
benefit,
assessments
and
property
related
charges
which
are
governed
by
proposition
218..
This
includes
the
city's
lighting
and
landscaping
assessment
districts
and
the
water
and
wastewater
utility
rates.
L
It
also
must
be
based
on
the
cost
of
the
service,
provided
the
government
can't
make
money
off
of
the
fee
only
recover
its
costs.
It
must
specifically
benefit
those
who
pay
the
charge.
It
must
not
unintentionally
be
subsidized.
The
city
does
have
several
fees
that
are
intentionally
subsidized
as
we
will
cover
later
tonight,
but
we
don't
unintentionally
subsidize
any
fees.
L
It
must
be
reasonable.
A
good
way
to
ensure
reasonableness
is
by
periodically
benchmarking
fees
against
other
agencies
and
the
last
time
that
we
did
this
was
when
we
did
our
full
cost
study
in
2013,
and
it
must
not
be
arbitrary.
There
has
to
be
a
basis
for
charging
the
amount
of
the
fee
when
examining
taxes
versus
fees,
the
funding
source
for
the
specific
service
or
benefit
provided,
can
vary.
Some
services
are
funded
100
by
fees
if
they're
completely
for
a
private
benefit.
L
Some
are
100
based
on
taxes,
if
they're
solely
for
a
public
benefit,
while
some
services
could
be
a
combination
of
both
taxes
and
fees,
if
they're,
partially
for
private
benefit
and
partially
for
public
benefit.
A
good
example
of
this
would
be
an
advanced
planning
fee.
If
the
city
were
to
charge
this
type
of
fee,
it
would
be
based
on
a
rate
to
pay
for
a
portion
of
the
service
that
is
related
to
the
private
benefit,
while
the
rest
of
the
service
would
be
funded
by
taxes.
L
So
now
that
we've
covered
the
background,
I
want
to
switch
gears
to
the
draft
user
fee
manual.
It's
composed
of
development
and
non-development
user
fees.
The
fees
cover
services
from
each
department,
such
as
various
building,
permit
fees
and
rental
of
city
facilities,
developer
charges
are
also
included,
and
these
are
development
impact
fees
which
are
governed
under
the
mitigation
fee
act
ab1600.
L
L
The
sheet
would
also
specify
if
someone
other
than
city
council
has
the
authority
to
waive
the
fee
for
almost
all
fees.
Only
city
council
can
approve
a
waiver.
However,
for
a
few
fees,
the
fee
detail
sheet
might
list
the
department
director
as
having
authority
to
waive
a
fee
such
as
the
library
director
may
waive
library
fines.
The
second
section
of
the
manual
includes
the
comparison
of
the
current
2017
adopted
user
fees
to
the
2019
draft
user
fees.
L
In
addition,
there
are
no
new
fees
being
requested
in
the
proposed
draft
development.
Related
fees
were
last
comprehensively
reviewed
in
2013,
with
the
full
cost
of
service
study.
Best
practices
are
that
the
cost
of
service
study
is
completed
every
five
to
seven
years.
The
study
is
performed
in
conjunction
with
a
consultant
and
evaluates
city
services
by
taking
a
comprehensive
look
at
staffing
costs
at
time.
L
The
results
of
the
2013
development
related
fee
summary
showed
that
a
majority
of
development
related
fees
are
below
full
cost
recovery.
The
current
strategy
is
to
increase
selected
development,
related
fees
by
cpi
annually
and
then
conduct
a
full
cost
study
in
fiscal
year,
2019
20
1920,
since
it
will
have
been
seven
years
since
the
prior
fee
study.
At
that
point,
the
cpi
of
3.2
percent
is
based
on
the
united
states
department
of
labor
bureau
of
labor
statistics,
los
angeles,
riverside
orange
county
for
all
expenditure
categories,
calculated
from
december
2017
to
december
2018..
L
Three
city
council's
policy
is
that
certain
fees
are
not
to
be
at
full
cost
recovery,
as
mentioned,
there
are
16
fees.
That
city
council
has
decided
are
the
exception,
fees
that
are
of
a
community-wide
benefit
and
fees
where
the
use
of
tax
revenue
would
be
appropriate
for
community-wide
service
are
those
types
of
fees
that
city
council
has
specified,
as
the
exception
to
full
cost
recovery.
L
L
Over
the
past
several
months,
staff
has
reviewed
the
current
user
fees
and
any
changes
in
services
and
developing
the
draft
user
fees
of
the
274
fees,
149
or
over
half
of
fees
are
not
being
recommended
for
a
change
in
the
fee.
125
are
being
recommended
for
a
change
in
the
fee.
The
majority
of
these
fee
changes
are
to
increase
by
the
cpi
of
3.2
percent.
L
One
fee
that
is
recommended
to
be
eliminated
is
the
scanning
fee
at
the
library.
As
mentioned
previously,
the
second
section
of
the
draft
manual
compares
the
2017
fee.
Current
cost
to
the
2019
proposed
fee
for
fees
that
aren't
recommended
to
change.
There
could
be
a
variety
of
reasons
that
staff
is
not
recommending
a
change
at
this
time.
The
fee
could
already
be
at
full
cost
recovery.
It
could
be
a
rental
fee,
so
there's
no
basis
for
a
change
at
this
time.
L
L
L
These
include
road
and
traffic
fees,
water
and
wastewater,
plant
improvement
and
connection
fees
and
facility
fee
per
ab
1600.
The
city
is
required
to
annually
report
to
city
council,
the
revenue
and
expenditures
that
were
collected
and
paid
out
during
that
year
associated
with
the
development
impact
fees.
L
If,
for
some
reason,
the
city
did
not
utilize
the
fees
that
were
collected
for
an
infrastructure
improvement
project
as
part
of
a
development,
the
fee
is
required
to
be
refunded
to
the
developer.
Public
works
will
be
returning
in
april
with
the
traffic
impact
fees
and
any
changes
in
water
wastewater,
plant,
improvement.
Connection
fees
would
be
included
as
part
of
the
water
and
wastewater
financial
plans
and
rate
development
process.
This
summer.
L
L
Staff
is
currently
in
the
process
of
working
with
its
consultant
to
update
the
water
and
wastewater
financial
plans
and
develop
rates
for
calendar
year.
2020
and
2021.
staff
will
return
to
city
council
this
summer.
As
I
mentioned,
with
the
draft
financial
plans
and
rates
rate
development
and
approval
is
governed
under
proposition
218.
L
So
tonight's
recommendations
are
to
receive
the
information
on
the
user
fees
and
police
facilities
fee
as
presented
and
provide
any
direction
to
staff,
as
well
as
schedule,
a
public
hearing
for
april
23
2019
to
hear
the
final
user
fees
adjustments,
and
with
that
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
staff
from
other
departments
are
also
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
N
Well,
it's
more
just
a
quick
comment:
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
gonna
work
with
the
consultant
about
a
comprehensive
cost
study,
because
it's
always
been
the
policy
of
the
council
to
go
for
full
cost
recovery.
Where
we
can,
I
know
there's
some
situations
where
we
just
can't.
I
understand
that,
but
I
think
that's
going
to
be
worthwhile
to
do
because
just
for
the
public
to
know
for
when
we
don't
get
full
cost
recovery
for
a
fee,
the
difference
come
out.
B
B
O
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy
last
council
meeting
february
12th.
We
all
voted
on
basically
two
slates,
all
together
traffic
commissioners,
one
and
then
planning
commissioners
won
and
it
was
unanimous
vote.
I
did
receive
additional
information
after
the
vote,
which
caused
me
to
reconsider
my
vote,
and
so
I
would
like
to
ask
to
re
to
rescind
the
vote
for
february
12th
so
that
I
can
correct
my
vote
from
february
12th
regarding
planning
commissioners.
O
N
A
question:
well,
I
have
a
comment
to
the
motion
in
all
candor.
I
don't
really
feel
a
particular
need
to
rescind
my
vote,
I'm
perfectly
content
and
happy
with
the
way
I
voted,
including
my
vote
for
your
commissioner.
N
I
understand
that
but
you're
asking
us
all
to
rescind
our
votes,
but
as
an
accommodation
to
you,
I
I
will,
I
presume,
you're,
making
a
motion
to
do
that.
I.
A
N
To
make
thing
one
thing
very
clear:
this
business
about
learning,
new
information
that
you
say
that
you
did
the
public
has
to
understand
that
picking
a
planning
commissioner
or
traffic
commissioner.
For
that
point,
is
a
very
transparent
process,
extremely
transparent.
N
We
had
17
planning
commissioner
nominee
applicants.
All
those
applications
were
online
and
available
to
the
council
members
to
review,
including
kevin
collins.
Who
was
my
ultimate
pick
number
one
number.
Two.
All
those
applicants
were
available
to
be
interviewed
by
council
members
face
to
face
to
ascertain
information
about
whether
or
not
they
you
know
would
meet
your
approval.
N
N
N
O
The
the
the
resume
which
was
available
to
council
members,
not
to
the
public,
the
public
only
learned
of
the
resumes
on
at
5
00
p.m.
On
the
third
well,.
N
Okay,
well,
I
think
that's
a
sailing
point.
You
failed
to
read
the
resume.
Therefore,
your
vote
was
not
as
informed
as
perhaps
it
could
have
been,
because
what
I'm
saying
to
you
is
all
the
information
was
out
there
for
everyone
to
make
an
informed
vote
about
every
single
applicant
and
after
the
vote,
no
new
information
came
forward.
N
That
would
necessitate
rethinking
your
vote
for
for
any
of
us,
so
I
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
certainly
not
for
me.
Okay,
just
there
was
no
new
information
that
came
out.
O
No,
the
only
new
information
that
wasn't
in
the
staff
report
was
the
applicant's
appearance
before
the
council
in
favor
of
a
high-density
project.
That
was
the
information
that
was
not
in
the
package
so,
but
I
had
not
read
his
resume.
Okay,.
O
I
respectfully
request
okay.
N
O
N
O
N
N
New
to
you
yes,
but
available
to
all
of
us.
Yes,
okay,
if
we
just
you
know
trying
to
be
nice
here,
but
just
want
the
public,
it's
the
public
that
I
want
to
understand
that
again.
This
is
a
transparent
proce
process.
With
information
available
to
all
council
members,
there's
no
attempts
to
withhold
anything
and
there's
no.
N
B
I
I
would
add
that
I
I
want
to
be
very
cautious
in
a
city
that
has
amazing
volunteers
that
are
willing
to
be
interviewed
and
apply
for
these
positions
and
I'm
hesitant
to
participate
in
a
litmus
test
that
would
frighten
any
of
our
citizens
from
applying
and
to
change
a
vote.
It's
troublesome
for
me
candidly
out
of
respect
for
you.
I
will
honor
it,
but
I'm
troubled
by
it,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
if
there's
no
other
council
members
that
wish
to
speak.
B
That
will
bring
us
to
recommendation
number
two
and
three.
Now
that
we're
going
to
vote
again,
I
I
presume
yes,
and
so
we're
gonna
vote
item
by
item.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
O
B
Okay,
then,
let's
put
forward
the
vote.
N
N
If
I
may,
since
we're
going
through
this
process,
I
I
feel
it
behooves
me
to
make
the
public
a
little
more
familiar
with
my
nominee
since
he
seems
to
be
the
one
that's
in
the
spotlight
here.
N
Yeah
just
take
a
moment,
if
I
may
kevin
cohen
was
not
known
to
me
before
this
process
began.
I've
never
met
met
the
young
man.
He
didn't
work
on
my
campaign.
So
there's
no
question
of
that,
but
I
did
interview
him
and
he
is
an
environmental
planner.
N
He
actually
works
in
environmental
compliance.
He
makes
sure
that
make
sure
that
developments,
whether
they're,
public
or
private,
comply
with
environmental
standards.
He
works
on
green
infrastructure,
water
usage,
open
space
protection
stream
beds,
sustainable
planning,
endangered
species,
wetlands,
air
quality,
all
these
categories
appeal
to
me,
because
we
will
be
facing
some
development
in
the
future
and
I've
always
wanted
it
to
be
environmentally
compatible.
N
If
there's
a
conflict
of
interest,
there'll
be
a
recusal
I've,
recused
myself
twice
so
far
in
my
little
career
here
as
a
planning,
commissioner,
I
don't
think
I
did
as
a
city
council
member,
my
fellow
councilmember,
claudia
bill
de
pena,
recused
herself
once
when
it
came
to
the
los
rubles
hospital
business.
I
mean
this
happens,
it's
it's
inevitable,
but
that's
that's
why
we
have
the
process.
We
have
a
recusal
process.
N
If
there's
a
conflict
of
interest,
I'm
quite
confident
that
going
forward,
we
will
not
see
any
of
these
conference
of
interests,
and
mr
cohen
will
do
an
excellent
job
in
evaluating
projects
making
sure
they're,
environmentally
compliant
and
also
bringing
a
younger
voice
to
the
city
which
we
really
really
need.
Thank
you.
R
I
would
just
like
to
tag
along
with
councilman
adam.
I
did
make
an
effort
to
talk
to
as
many
of
the
the
applicants
as
I
could.
Mr
cohan
was
very
impressive.
I
thought
he
was
a
very
good
candidate.
He
does
have.
He
does
bring
experience
in
the
business
to
that
to
the
to
the
table,
and
that
is
a
two-edged
sword.
R
It
does
have
some
experience
in
the
business,
but
he
also
has
some
some
need
to
be
very
aware
of
his
of
his
biases
one
way
or
the
other
he
but
he's
a
very
impressive
candidate.
I
agree
with
your
choice
on
him
and.
R
I'm
glad
that
you,
you
nominated
him.
B
E
If
claudia,
I
don't
want
to
put
her
on
the
spot,
claudia
or
councilman
build
it
a
pena.
I
wonder
if
she
wanted
to
express
any
feelings
relative
to
this,
so
I
can
make
a
more
informed
decision.
O
Yes,
I've
also
to
clarify
something
that
was
mentioned
about
recusing
yourself.
I
did
recuse
myself
twice.
First
time
I
believe
was
because
slurry
work
was
being
done
in
my
neighborhood
and
so
legally.
I
had
to
recuse
myself,
as
have
other
council
members,
the
second
time
I
was
legally
not
at
all
required
to
recuse
myself.
O
O
I
did
it
because
I
thought
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
so,
just
because
it's
legal
does
not
mean
that
it
is
ethical
and
what
I
would
like
to
do.
The
reason
I'm
doing
this
tonight
simply
is
to
change
my
vote
not
to
a
no
vote,
because
I
I
didn't
do
that
with
a
previous
client
planning,
commissioner
who's
also
tied
to
the
industry.
I
simply
abstained
because
I
said
then-
and
I
will
say
tonight
I
have
I
will-
I
will
not
vote
no
on
anyone
on
another
council
members.
O
Commissioner,
I
will
simply
abstain
if
I
feel
that
it
doesn't
rise
to
my
level
of
of
ethics
regarding
appearance
of
a
conflict
of
interest.
So
when
somebody
is
in
the
development
industry,
then
it
which
is
the
industry
that
we
for
lack
of
a
better
word
regulate
now
is
on
the
planning
commission.
Then
you
know
to
me
that
is
a
little
I'm
uncomfortable
with
that.
It's
legal
perfectly
legal,
but
I'm
uncomfortable
with
that,
and
therefore
I
would
abstain
from
voting
not
to
vote
no
at
all.
Mr
jones.
E
Thank
you.
I
just
would
like
to
add
a
little
to
that.
If
I
may,
I
did
not
interview
this
gentleman,
but
I
read
the
packet
material
very
carefully
and
I'm
just
saying
that
I
understand,
if
he's
ever
called
upon
in
his
role
as
a
planning,
commissioner,
to
rule
on
any
item
that
he's
either
professionally
or
financially
involved
with.
E
I
would
hope
that
staff
in
the
proper
way
would,
if
he's
not
aware
of
it
already,
would
make
him
aware
that
it
is
appropriate
to
recuse
himself
if
that
situation
rises.
I
I
presume
maybe
staff
has
done
that
already,
but
I
would
have
liked
to
have
had
a
man
with
this
knowledge
to
be
with
us
many
years
ago,
when
we
were
planting
the
city.
Of
course
we
didn't
have
environmental
impact
reports,
then,
but
I
think
this
man
would
have
a
wealth
of
talent
and
experience
and
knowledge.
E
That
would
be
a
great
benefit
to
people
who
want
to
make
an
informed
decision,
and
I
believe,
having
a
man
with
his
talent
and
background
of
knowledge
on
the
planning.
Commission
would
be
a
positive
thing
with
the
stipulation,
as
I've
mentioned,
that
he
would
recuse
himself
if
there
were
any
professional
or
financial
conflicts,
and
I
say
I
I
believe
staff
would
probably
mr
city
manager.
He
would
probably
be
made
aware
of
that.
Isn't
that
correct
yeah.
M
B
I'll
I'll
conclude
the
comments
by
simply
stating
that,
as
as
electeds
as
city
council
members,
we
are
given
political
appointments
both
to
the
traffic
commission
and
also
to
the
planning
commission,
that's
reflective
of
the
constituents
that
voted
for
us.
B
I,
I
have
feelings,
strong
feelings
in
relation
to
your
planning,
commissioner,
but
out
of
respect
for
you,
I
vote
yes,
because
that
is
your
prerogative
to
appoint
your
commissioner.
B
I
understand
that
you
seek
to
abstain,
but
to
rescind
the
vote.
This
whole
thing
is
a
struggle
for
me,
council
member,
and
I
I
don't
want
this-
to
be
a
litmus
test
for
all
the
volunteers
in
this
community
that
feel
the
only
way
they
can
come
forward
without
getting
a
public
examination
for
an
appointment
that
is
by
due
diligence
done
by
all
the
council
members.
B
I
just
don't
think
it's
fair
to
the
community
that
these
folks
that
volunteer
their
time
because
there's
a
litmus
test
in
some
capacity.
I
don't
think
it's
fair.
I
will
vote
yes
for
yours.
I
will
vote
yes
for
his
and
the
constituents
that
elected
both
of
you
will
decide
whether
or
not
you've
done
a
good
job
that
that's
that's
my
position
on
this.
B
These
are
political
appointments
granted
by
those
who've
been
elected
by
the
community
and
you're,
going
to
rise
and
fall
based
on
that
decision,
so
I'll
support
yours,
fervently
and,
and
I'm
going
to
support
yours
and
anyone
else's,
because
I
know
you've
done
due
diligence.
I
don't
want
a
narrative
driven
by
by
folks
in
the
community
that
feel
as
though
there
needs
to
be
a
litmus
test
for
anyone
who
wants
to
volunteer
for
one
of
these
positions.
If
you
want
to
comment
to
that,
I
understand,
but
I
want
you
to
know.
O
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from.
It
is
a
little
bit
more
complicated
for
me
because
we've
been
having
planning
commissioners
for
decades
now,
I've
seen
planning
commissioners
come
and
go,
and
there
are
so
many
people
in
the
community
who
want
to
volunteer
who
have
no
ties
directly
or
indirectly,
to
the
development
industry
that
could
volunteer
and
and
are
available,
it's
impressive
to
read
a
resume
of
a
senior
environmental
planner,
but
we
have
staff
to
do
the
work
that
type
of
work
for
us.
O
In
the
past
we
have
appointed
homemakers
business
owners,
dentists,
all
kinds
of
other
people
that
did
not
have
a
a
thai,
professional,
financial
or
otherwise,
two
projects
that
might
be
built
or
will
be
built
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
So
this
is
new.
This
is
something
new
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
I
feel
uncomfortable
with
that,
and
I
appreciate
your
accommodating
my
my
concern.
O
B
So
with
that
one
more
okay.
N
I'm
sorry
mayor
not
to
draw
this
out.
However.
Councilman
I've
been
around
a
long
time
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
planning.
Commissioners
come
and
go
and
yeah
there's
been
some
housewives,
I
suppose,
or
some
so-called
neutral
people,
but
there
have
been
a
lot
of
people
that
have
whatever
you
want
to
call.
It
ties
to
the
community
that
you,
you
know,
may
not
be
what
a
housewife
would
have.
N
N
I
myself
happened
to
work
for
a
large
bank
and
if-
and
we
happened
to
do
business
with
that
bank
and
if
there
was
ever
a
vote
that
came
up
that
had
to
do
with
that
bank,
I
would
have
to
recuse
myself.
So
my
point
being
is
that
yeah
we
may
find
someone
who's
absolutely
completely
neutral,
but
the
history
of
that
does
not
necessarily
illustrate
that,
as
I
just
stated
all
these
different
folks
with
all
these
different
occupations
that
could
be
construed
one
way
or
another.
B
Okay,
with
that
being
said,
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
following
planning:
commission
appointments
individually,
beginning
with
kevin
cohen
council
member
adam
your
appointment
for
term
ending
december
2020.
Madam
clerk,
will
you
please
put
forward
the
vote.
C
If
I
could,
please
get
a
clarification
on
the
motion,
the
maker
of
the
motion
yeah.
I
just
need
someone
to
make
a
motion
to
vote
individually.
That's
all
I
need
it
can
be.
It
can
be.
Okay,.
B
O
Can
certainly
move
to,
I
guess
I
could
to
vote
on
individually
individually.
Yes,
that's
it
each
one.
C
R
Take
a
specific
motion
I'll
I
will.
I
will
move
that
we
appoint
mr
kevin
kohan
as
planning
commissioner
term
ending
2020.
R
I
figured
work
down
the
line
here.
Take
it,
I
move
that
we
appoint
nelson
bus
to
the
planning
commission
term
ending
in
2022.
R
E
I'll
make
a
motion
for
the
entire
slate
of
the
planning
commission
of
the
transportation
transfer.
O
O
I'm
glad
to
have
had
the
opportunity
to
correct
my
what
I
think
was
my
mistake,
and
there
are
concerns
regarding
ex
recusals
and
so
forth,
decorum
opinions,
and
it
would
be
a
move
to
remind
all
of
our
commissioners,
traffic
and
transportation
to
maintain
the
quorum
when
using
social
media,
especially
and
to
also
maintain
decorum,
when
addressing
other
legislative
bodies
or
to
enter
into
an
area
of
policy
that
is
not
of
that
is
not
their
responsibility.
B
O
B
Councilmember
city
manager,
any
follow-up
items.
M
M
We
currently
have
one
special
presentation
from
five
star
theatricals,
followed
by
a
series
of
departmental
reports
and
urgency
ordinance
regarding
small
cell
facilities,
a
update
on
our
general
plan,
housing
element,
annual
progress
report,
update
on
fire
recovery
efforts
and
status
there
and
an
item
on
the
wastewater
main
extension
project
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
that
a
meeting
is
again
next
week,
tuesday
night,
the
5th
of
march.
That's
all.