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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - October 25, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 10//25/22
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B
Here
we
don't
have
any
continuances
of
items,
but
I
do
want
to
make
a
quick
announcement
and
a
recognition
of
some
of
the
folks
in
our
audience
today
and
I
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
we
just
had
the
celebration
of
Diwali
for
the
get
the
name
right.
Thank
you.
It's
the
Festival
of
Lights
And
for
those
who
celebrate
All
happiness
to
you
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
in
tonight.
F
B
A
Yes,
I
am
good
evening
mayor
Engler
and
City
Council
Members.
My
name
is
Rosanna
Guerra
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
Thousand
Oaks
during
the
almost
30
years
of
living
in
Thousand,
Oaks
I
have
known
our
community
to
be
warm
and
accepting.
However,
within
the
last
two
plus
years,
an
especially
notable
since
the
pandemic,
the
community
that
first
attracted
my
family
to
Thousand
Oaks
has
changed
and
I'm
very
alarmed.
Let
me
take
you
through
some
events
that
have
caused
this
alarm.
A
I'm
grateful
that
the
police
force
has
taken
action
on
a
threat
against
the
Supreme
intended
of
schools.
However,
more
serious
action
needs
to
be
considered
against
an
element
either
by
locals
or
outside
our
city
that
are
attempting
to
intimidate
our
community
I'm
speaking
before
Council,
because
I
value
the
quality
of
life
that
my
family
and
I
have
established
in
Thousand
Oaks
and
would
like
to
see
it
restored.
A
Why
is
this
happening
in
our
area
because
it's
accepted?
No
one
is
standing
up
to
this
behavior
and
saying
this
is
not
welcome
other
than
the
anti-hate
resolution.
The
city
council
has
not
taken
a
unanimous
stance
against
this
obvious
intrusion.
Please
raise
your
voice
as
leaders
in
our
community
and
recognize
what
it
is
happening.
Thank
you
so
much.
H
Hello,
I,
don't
see
me
on
here,
but
my
name
is
Bob
Ayers.
Can
you
hear
me.
H
My
wife
and
I
first
moved
to
to
in
1991
to
raise
our
children
coming
from
the
valley.
We
appreciated
how
safe
and
clean
it
was
here
after
our
kids
graduated
we
traveled
around
and
then
two
years
ago
moved
back
to
be
near
family.
We
bought
a
house
on
a
great
street
with
wonderful
neighbors
and,
with
one
exception
the
couple
across
from
us.
He
is
a
convicted
felon
and
during
the
time
we've
lived
in
our
home.
H
H
Last
June,
the
police
conducted
a
raid
on
the
house
after
the
owner
was
found
passed
out
in
Agora
in
a
car
filled
with
fentanyl
and
heroin,
with
the
intent
to
sell.
He
was
back
home
within
24
hours.
Last
Monday
we
woke
up
to
see
dozens
of
police
officers
and
U.S
Marshals.
With
machine
guns
pointed
at
that
house
to
capture
an
alleged
alleged
murderer.
Staying
there,
the
police
told
us
to
shelter
in
place.
People
couldn't
go
to
work,
kids
couldn't
go
to
school,
I
missed
an
important
doctor's
appointment.
H
This
went
on
for
hours
until
the
suspect,
Ryan
Shire
was
arrested.
The
Raid
was
drawn
by
LA
Metro.
They
had
to
Ram
the
door
open
yet
chose
not
to
arrest
the
owner
of
the
house,
who
was
with
the
murder,
suspect
and
refused
to
open
the
door
for
two
years.
We've
watched
people
come
and
go
from
the
house
all
hours
day
and
night,
and
the
police
have
done
their
best
arresting
many
of
them
Unfortunately.
H
H
So
this
pattern
repeats
repeats
and
repeats
with
court
dates
getting
pushed
further
and
further
into
the
future,
with
no
justice
being
served.
We
see
police
code
enforcement,
fire
trucks,
ambulances,
Animal,
Control,
undercover
detectives,
narcotics,
Personnel
water
department,
employees
and
social
services
at
this
house
on
a
regular
basis,
all
at
taxpayers
expense
plus.
These
people
are
now
living
with
no
water
and
no
trash
service.
So
where
is
the
human
waste
going?
Our
quality
of
life
has
suffered.
Our
health
and
peace
of
mind
have
been
severely
compromised
and
we
live
in
danger.
H
We
have
to
Shield
our
young
grandchildren
when
they
visit,
the
police
have
been
great
and
very
responsive,
but
can
only
do
what
the
law
allows.
So,
regardless
of
your
politics,
I
urge
you
to
vote
for
Law
and
Order
to
support
the
police
and
to
help
make
our
streets
safe
again,
and
thank
you
guys
for
your
time
and,
ladies
thank
you.
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D
You
have
to
be
like
captain
sullivanberger
and
take
some
kind
of
action.
Keep
that
plane
from
going
down.
It's
your
RSO,
not
ours,
not
homeowners,
not
the
landowners.
Yours,
it's
your
job
to
see
that
that
is
done.
This
is
a
rhetorical
question,
but
you
can
put
your
hand
up
if
you
want
to
answer
it,
and
that
is
the
question.
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B
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
up
we
do
have
a
mahoud
hebar.
F
Council
members
I'm
here
to
thank
you
for
recognizing
the
Festival
of
deepavali
Festival
of
flights
celebrated
by
people
of
Hindu,
Sikh,
Jain
and
Buddhist
communities
around
the
world.
This
Monday
Tuesday
also
marks
a
great
occasion
to
remember
that
a
man
of
Hindu
faith
has
become
the
prime
minister
of
Great
Britain,
well,
I.
Thank
you
for
recognizing
the
Festival
of
deepavali
I
just
want
to
place
four
concerns
one.
F
Recently,
a
conference
on
National
Unity
was
organized
by
President,
Byron
united.
We
stand
on
September
11th
Hindu
Community
was
totally
excluded
by
having
any
representative
in
this
National
Conference
that
is
supposed
to
unite,
so
did
other
minority
religions
like
Buddhism
and
Jainism.
None
of
them
were
represented.
F
F
Last
year,
I
mentioned
this
in
my
previous
meeting
as
well.
Academia
is
significantly
organized
in
spreading
this
Hindu
phobia.
They
organized
an
online
conference
in
2021
and
they
called
for
literally.
These
were
the
word
destruction
of
Hinduism
and
hindutva,
and
they
had
three-day
conference
on
this
and
academics
get
a
free
ride
in
this
country.
F
Because
of
freedom
of
speech,
I
mean
you
cannot
touch
them
but
I,
just
as
an
administrators
I
just
want
you
to
be
aware
of
these
things
happening
elsewhere
in
the
country
and
make
sure
that
such
a
thing
is
not
repeated
here
in
Thousand
Oaks,
but
I.
Take
this
opportunity
to
thank
you
again
for
recognizing
deepavali
and
our
president
had
the
largest
ever
party
at
a
White
House
on
the
occasion
of
deepavali
this
year.
F
A
Thank
you,
council
members
for
this
opportunity.
I
would
like
to
bring
it
to
attention
about
a
very
unique
program.
Called
Seva,
Diwali
Seva
means
a
service
to
mankind.
So,
as
part
of
this
program,
we
have
been
organized
and
collected
canned
food,
it's
a
food
drive
and
we
have
donated
750
pounds
of
food
to
the
Manna
Food
Bank
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
the
past
two
years,
so
750
pounds
each
and
for
the
third
year
this
year.
A
Also,
we
will
be
donating
about
500
pounds
of
canned
food
as
a
way
of
thanking
the
community,
because
giving
back
to
society
is
what
is
the
highlight
of
Diwali,
where
you
know
it's,
because
we
want
to
celebrate
this
as
a
community,
so
I'm
so
glad
that
we
are
participating
this
in
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
as
a
Hindu
Community
to
the
all
the
family
members
of
Thousand
Oaks.
Thank
you
and
Happy
Diwali.
C
C
K
K
My
dad
lived
here.
My
mom
lived
here,
they're
both
gone
and
what
I'm
seeing
at
the
mobile
home
parks
as
I,
went
through
and
talked
with
every
person
in
ventu
Villas
was
there
are
people
there
who
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
stay
in
their
homes
and
will
be
homeless
in
short
order.
If
this
rent
control
issue
doesn't
get
taken
care
of
last
time,
I
was
here.
I
gave
you
some
positives.
K
I
said
look
into
the
three
items
that
I
had
asked
you
to
look
into
and
I
would
ask
for
a
show
of
hands
of
whether
you've
looked
into
those
or
not.
But
I
really
don't
want
to
know
because
I
know
you
haven't
so
I'm
just
perplexed
again
as
I
was
at
the
last
time.
I
spoke
that
the
County
of
Ventura
has
a
mobile
home
park
review
board.
K
With
that
being
said,
I've
looked
into
some
other
cities:
Malibu
five
percent
increase
city
of
Santee,
three
percent
increase
city
of
Fullerton,
three
percent
increase
I
could
go
on
and
on
Fresno
San
Luis
Obispo.
Yet
here
we
are
Thousand
Oaks,
the
beautiful
community
that
we
are
can't
seem
to
support
our
seniors.
That's
a
sad
sad
day,
mayor
a
sad
day
for
this
Council.
K
B
Thank
you,
Ms
Smith,
Mr
Washington,
followed
by
Bruce
udelf.
L
Good
evening
I'm
Tim
Washington
I
live
in
Newbury
Park
I
am
a
former
Army
veteran
senior
non-commissioned
officer,
20
years
former
social
worker
for
the
VA
12
years,
former
real
estate
agent
year
and
a
half
former
drug
and
alcohol
abuse
counselor
a
year
and
a
half.
But
tonight
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
my
dog.
L
L
Afterwards,
I
had
to
lift
her
in
the
car
to
get
her
to
the
park,
where
she's
free
to
do
what
dogs
do
she
recovered
from
her
injury,
but
she
now
meanders
toward
the
car,
then
hesitate
at
the
car
waiting
for
me
to
lift
her
into
the
car
after
a
period
of
problem.
Solving
I
discovered
that
if
I
tapped
her
on
her
rear,
she
would
leap
into
to
the
car
unassisted.
L
L
There
are
lots
of
lives
out
there
that
need
saving
people
depend
on
you
and
I
hope
that
you
tonight
will
look
at
our
issue
from
a
different
perspective,
not
as
a
politician
not
as
a
real
estate
agent,
but
as
a
public
servant,
someone
who
is
willing
to
become
a
social
worker
long
enough
in
order
to
save
a
life.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
up
is
Bruce
udelph.
H
Hi
good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
Bruce
udelph
I
live
in
Newbury
Park
at
a
mobile
home
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
mobile
home
issue.
Number
one
I
owe
you
an
apology.
A
couple
meetings
ago,
I
came
in
and
talked
about
those
of
us
in
the
park
being
eligible
for
reverse
mortgages.
Unfortunately,
the
real
estate
agent
working
with
me
and
myself
did
not
realize
because
we
rent
the
land
or
we
don't
actually
own
the
land
we
rent.
H
I
am
in
favor
of
some
type
of
a
cap,
I
hope
something
can
be
worked
out,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
a
completely
different
subject
today.
This
is
a
financial
issue.
It
is
also
a
health
issue.
My
background
and
I
stated
before
I
worked
with
seniors
for
40
years
running
retirement
communities
such
as
University
Village,
very
large
places.
I
also
did
numerous
educational
sessions.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
what
it's
like
to
be
old,
gerontologist
class
of
iOS
into
three
categories.
H
65
to
75
is
what
is
called
young
old
75
to
85
is
old
and
85
and
Beyond
is
old
old,
with
all
due
respect
to
Mr,
Jones
and,
and
there
are
reasons
that
they
have,
those
those
age
ranges
and
everything.
Probably
the
operative.
Two
words
for
us
is
in
many
instances
change.
We
have
a
problem
with
it,
it's
very
difficult
for
some
seniors.
Secondly,
the
other
big
operative
word
is
loss.
We
have
all
kinds
of
losses
in
our
lives.
H
It
varies
with
the
person,
loss
of
a
spouse,
loss
of
contemporaries,
loss
of
friends,
loss
of
other
relatives,
loss
of
vision,
hearing
impairment,
ambulation
issues,
memory,
loss,
etc,
etc.
I
could
go
on
and
on
as
we
age
things
change
for
us,
our
skin
becomes
thinner
and
drier,
and
it
often
itches
we
tend
to
lose
our
fat
layer,
particularly
after
the
age
of
80
or
85.
That
may
be
welcome
news
to
a
few
of
you,
but
the
reality
is
that's
what
insulates
us
and
keeps
us
cooler
in
the
summer
warmer
in
the
winter.
H
H
I
just
read:
statistics
from
a
scholarly
study
today
done
by
Columbia
University,
35
percent
of
us
after
the
age
of
60
at
some
point
will
get
a
diagnosis
of
dementia,
so
we're
facing
a
lot
of
stuff
and
then
we
get
hit
with
an
8.5
percent
rate
increase
on
top
of
everything
else.
We're
facing
and
I
can
tell
you
that's
difficult.
It
can
cause
less
loss
of
appetite,
it
can
cause
memory
impairment
in
some
cases,
Strokes,
heart
attacks
and
so
on.
So
as
you
move
forward,
please
keep
in
mind.
This
is
a
major
Financial
issue.
B
And
our
last
public
speaker
is
tonight
is
oh
I'm,
sorry
George,
Rosenthal
and
then
Jeff
Schwartz.
L
Good
evening,
mayor
council
and
staff,
my
name
is
George
rosenthalm
living
vento
Estates
in
March
of
22,
the
CPI
all-inclusive
was
used
in
an
8.5
percent.
Cpi
was
was
approved,
A
Thousand,
Oaks
ordinance,
525
states
that
the
finance
director
shall
set
the
CPI
yearly
Thousand
Oaks
ordinance.
Also
States
is
the
duty
of
the
council
to
protect
the
Thousand
Oaks
Mobile
Home
Park
residents
from
excessive
rent
increases.
Any
land
rent
increases
a
permanent
monthly
cost
to
senior
homeowners
with
a
CPI
expected
to
be
higher.
Yet
all
the
way
through
24.
L
the
finance
director,
the
city
manager,
the
City
attorney
and
the
council
did
not
take
into
account
the
damage
that
the
8.5
increase
and
future
increases
would
do
to
seniors.
The
all-inclusive
CPI
used
is
based
on
Long
Beach
Los
Angeles,
not
Ventura
account
County,
which
has
a
lower
cost
of
living.
Thousand
Oaks
city
council
constantly
brings
up
the
fear
of
lawsuits
by
Park
owners
and
loss
of
any
rent
control,
thus
causing
their
inaction.
Because
of
no
cap,
we
are
trying
to
come
up
with
ideas
and
Concepts
to
pay
for
the
part
of
the
rent
increase.
L
We
presented
multiple
Grant
and
assistance
ideas
at
the
Thousand
Oaks
Council.
Last
two
weeks
ago,
you
ignored
the
information,
did
not
put
us
on
the
agenda
to
discuss
the
solution
for
the
problem
of
the
city.
Ordinance,
we
suggested
block
grants,
rent
assistance
with
block
grants,
may
not
be
an
option,
but
other
areas
of
financial
assistance
with
block
grants
could
be
offered
to
open
Cash
Flow
for
rent
the
staff
and
the
council
need
to
investigate
this.
Not
leave
it
to
75
year
old
people
to
find
it.
L
Ventura
County
low
rent
program
is
a
federally
funded
rental
program
that
allows
families
to
choose
their
home
and
private
housing.
This
may
include
the
family's
present
residence,
the
federal
tenant
rental
basis,
System
Program
is
a
rental
assistant.
When
participants
choose
the
housing
in
which
they
want
to
reside
up
to
five
years
worth
of
rental,
assistance
could
be
awarded.
L
Something
is
not
right
here
who,
in
their
right
mind,
would
allow
this.
Why
are
we
not
on
the
agenda
working
with
the
staff
to
find
an
answer?
What's
going
on
with
the
console?
This
has
been
week
after
week
after
week
with
nothing,
nothing
back
but
excuses.
If
we
can't
do
it
or
we'll
get
sued,
you
know
it's
time
to
make
a
decision
suit
or
what's
being
right.
L
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members
I'm
Jeff
Schwartz
from
Thousand
Oaks
more
than
40
years
ago,
back
in
the
late
1970s
before
the
Reagan
Revolution
before
trumpism,
there
was
a
major
change
in
state
politics.
The
nation
at
the
time
was
undergoing
economic
problems
that
had
some
similarities
to
the
problems
we're
facing.
Today
there
was
record
high
government
spending
and
concern
about
government
deficits.
L
There
was
severe
price
inflation
and
the
cost
of
food
and
gas
had
shot
up.
Government
had
grown
larger
in
size
and
was
more
expensive.
Taxes
were
high,
and
anybody
who
said
the
taxes
should
be
lowered
was
laughed
at.
Pundit
said
that
we
can't
possibly
reduce
taxes,
or
else
we'll
have
to
fire
all
the
police
and
firefighters
and
close
all
the
libraries.
L
They
said
it
was
impossible
to
reduce
taxes,
because
this
would
require
changing
the
laws,
and
certainly
nobody
thought
that
an
ordinary
citizen
could
lead
a
major
tax
movement
in
the
U.S,
but
all
those
naysayers
and
Skeptics
were
proven.
Wrong
by
one
man,
a
man
named
Howard
Jarvis
Jarvis
was
an
unlikely
person
to
lead
a
massive
tax
revolt
in
taxes.
He
was
in
his
70s
and
had
never
before
been
elected
to
any
public
office.
L
Jarvis
had
finally
developed
a
broad
constituency
for
his
anti-tax
Crusade.
He
was
able
to
gather
three
times
the
number
of
signatures
needed
to
qualify.
Prop
13
for
the
ballot
Prop
13
was
opposed
by
virtually
every
newspaper
editorial
board
in
California,
every
business
group,
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
every
education
and
labor
group
every
institution.
L
L
Time
for
this
city
council
to
embrace
a
bold
New
Vision
for
eventually
lowering
taxes
in
this
County.
But
before
we
can
talk
about
reducing
taxes,
we'll
need
to
make
a
moral
case
for
doing
so
by
first
reducing
our
expenditures.
It's
time
for
Council
to
start
looking
into
ways
to
reducing
our
dependency
on
taxpayer,
money
that
is
offered
to
us
by
the
big
tax
Spenders
in
Sacramento
and
Washington
D.C
I'm
Jeff
Schwartz.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mayor
Engler,
just
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
follow-up
comments:
the
speaker
that
was
speaking
about
the
issues
on
regarding
law
enforcement
in
their
neighborhood.
We
are
well
aware
of
that.
In
fact,
Chief
Paris
spoke
with
that
gentleman
earlier
today.
It
is
a
complex
situation.
I
think
many
people
were
aware
that
we
had
a
high
profile
arrest
that
was
made
by
LAPD
that
the
speaker
referenced
at
that
location.
E
It's
certainly
a
home
that
law
enforcement
very
well
aware
of
our
code
enforcement
is
well
aware
of,
and
we're
working
collaboratively
with
the
District
Attorney's
office
to
take
the
most
stringent
approach
possible
as
we
try
to
address
the
situation
in
that
in
that
location,
and
we
certainly
feel
for
those
Neighbors
and
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
support
that
in
regards
to
Mobile
Home
Park
items.
E
That's
been
put
into
that
on
on
behalf
of
Council
and
the
residents
in
that
regard
in
terms
of
the
just
on
the
taxation
question,
just
a
reminder
for
the
public
and
the
council,
the
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
has
the
floor,
the
lowest
sales
tax
rate
in
the
state
of
California,
and
we
also
have
amongst
the
lowest
property
tax
rates
in
the
in
the
state.
Just
that
concludes
my
remarks.
M
M
This
is
not
on
the
agenda,
but
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
different
Avenues
and
also
speak
to
staff
about
how
we
can
remedy
the
situation
not
this
evening,
since
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
obviously
they've
been
here
now
numerous
times,
they're
asking
for
something
whether
it
is
starting
I've
already
been
in
contact
with
a
cup
with
a
resident
who's
willing
to
help
in
other
me
through
other
means.
But
let's
do
that
offline
and
see
what
we
can
do
through
staff
as
well.
Thank
you.
G
G
B
F
That
motion
carries
5-0
and
I
do
have
two
ordinance
titles
to
read
into
the
record
an
ordinance
amending
that
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
by
adding
article
37
to
Title
IX
chapter
4,
modifying
sections
9-4.202
and
9-4.2202,
and
adding
section
9-3.305
to
Title
IX
chapter
3,
article
3,
to
to
update
the
city
zoning
regulations
to
implement
2021
Senate
Bill
9
sb9,
including
the
addition
of
a
ministerial
process
for
the
approval
of
urban
lot.
Splits
and
two-unit
housing
developments.
Mca.
F
B
F
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item,
8A
self
storage
facilities,
Municipal
Code,
Amendment,
2022,
70571
and
specific
plan.
Amendment
20
2022-70799
speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
and
community
of
residence.
For
the
record,
two
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
B
Thank
you
and
we
do
have
staff
available
to
make
a
presentation
and
answer
questions
we
have
Scott
colwitz
up
making
the
presentation
and
also
available
is
Mr
Parker
for
for
questions.
Thank
you.
I
B
C
I
And
to
read
the
ordinance
by
title,
only
and
wave
any
further
hearings
to
amend
the
Thousand,
Oaks
Municipal
Code
and
the
specific
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan.
In
summary,
these
proposed
regulations
were
developed
by
considering
peer
jurisdictions,
regulations,
industry,
Trends,
Community
needs
and
economic
development
potential,
and
the
proposed
regulations
would
allow
the
existing
15
self
storage
facilities
that
are
in
operation
today
to
continue
operating
and
allow
for
up
to
30
additional
self
storage
facilities
to
be
permitted
in
our
industrial
areas.
I
Staff
was
tasked
with
three
different
items:
first
conduct
a
comprehensive
analysis
of
the
jurisdictions
regulations,
propose
updated
standards
and
three
evaluate
the
potential
city-wide
economic
impacts
of
allowing
a
proliferation
of
self
storage
facilities
in
consideration
of
the
short
and
long-term
impacts
of
utilizing
land
areas
for
operations
that
do
not
create
employment
opportunities
unless
extended
by
the
city
council.
The
moratorium
is
currently
set
to
expire
on
January
25th
2023..
I
L
I
Marita
and
the
second
was
at
5
30.
Hampshire
Road,
since
the
moratorium
was
adopted
in
January
2022,
the
pre-applications
were
withdrawn
and
the
fees
for
those
applications
had
been
refunded.
To
the
applicants
of
note,
the
city's
Economic
Development
Division
has
been
contacted
since
then
about
potential
for
those
properties
to
be
used
for
other
uses,
including
biotech
and
Manufacturing
Medical
Offices,
General
Offices
and
research
and
development
facilities.
I
All
Commissioners
at
that
meeting
recognize
that
self
storage
facilities
are
not
economic
generators
and
these
facilities
compete
with
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
for
development
opportunities.
Unanimous
support
was
given
to
remove
self-storage
facilities
from
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan.
I
The
Commissioners,
who
recommended
adoption
of
the
proposed
regulations,
commented
that
self
storage
facilities
are
a
needed
use
in
the
community.
Commissioners
acknowledged
the
proposed
Self
Storage
regulations,
Elevate
New
self-storage
facilities
to
the
highest
industrial
industry
standards,
while
also
limiting
the
availability
of
land
use
for
self
storage
facilities
to
prioritize
the
continued
growth
of
the
city's
economic
engines,
the
commission,
the
Commissioners
who
voted
against
the
motion,
opined
that
either
the
proposed
requirements
were
too
onerous
or
there
was
a
lack
of
market
analysis.
I
An
analysis
of
self
storage
facilities,
square
footage
on
a
per
capita
basis
with
neighboring
jurisdictions
was
requested
as
a
formal
market
analysis
was
not
conducted.
Following
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
staff
has
contacted
neighboring
jurisdictions
to
calculate
self-charge
facilities,
Square
footages
on
a
per
capita
basis.
I
This
Collective
research
effort
has
been
used
to
assist
the
city
and
crafting
proposed
definitions
and
regulations
for
consideration
first
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
now
by
the
city
council,
as
proposed.
The
regulations
would
pertain
to
Future
self-storage
facilities
and
proposed
additions
or
modifications
to
existing
self
storage
facilities.
I
I
So,
as
mentioned,
there
are
15
facilities
currently
in
the
city,
and
they
are
currently
allowed
to
be
permitted
in
the
C2
Zone,
the
M1
and
M2
zones
and
within
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan,
provided
that
they
are
not
directly
on
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard.
The
city
has,
in
addition
to
those
15.
The
city
also
has
two
Specialty
Storage
facilities
for
vehicles
and
other
large-scale
items.
I
I
As
far
as
the
number
of
facilities
in
Thousand
Oaks,
Thousand
Oaks
in
Camarillo
have
the
largest
number
of
self
storage
facilities
of
any
City
in
Ventura
County,
and
the
city
continues
to
receive
numerous
inquiries.
As
far
as
the
development
of
additional
self-storage
facilities,
which
can
accommodate
both
traditional
self
storage
facilities,
as
well
as
the
newer
pod
self
storage
facilities.
I
So
we
were
asked
to
reach
out
to
fellow
jurisdictions
to
provide
a
per
capita
square
footage
calculation
by
the
Planning
Commission,
and
we've
done
so
after
requesting
only
two
other
jurisdictions
provided
their
statistics
to
us
to
assist
with
comparing
the
per
capita
Square
footages.
As
shown
on
the
screen.
I
I
There
are
a
wide
range
of
ways
to
regulate
the
Self
Storage
uses
to
alleviate
potential
Community
impacts
associated
with
these
facilities,
but
in
short,
staff
did
not
find
a
single
one
way
to
regulate
self-storage
facilities,
evaluation
of
municipal
code
standards
identified,
common
self
storage
facility
themes
and
those
are
shared
with
you
here
on
the
screen.
First,
they
are
located
in
industrial
areas.
I
I
Staff
also
reviewed
industry
Publications
and
upon
evaluating
those
Publications,
we
identified
these
Trends
and
we've
shared
these
with
the
industry
as
well.
First,
there,
the
industry
is
moving
towards
fully
automated
facilities.
There
are
robust
security
systems
that
are
being
incorporated
into
the
buildings.
The
climate
control
is
regular,
regularly
required.
Higher
architectural
standards
are
on
their
way.
The
industry
is
turning
it
away
from
our
exterior
roll-up
doors.
There's
an
introduction
of
mixed
uses
into
these
buildings
and
interior
Recreation
and
collector
vehicle
and
boat
storage
is
regularly
found
in
the
newer
facilities.
I
Foreign
view
of
multiple
jurisdictions
and
the
industry
Trends
resulted
in
an
acknowledgment
that
the
city
standards
could
benefit
from
an
update.
The
goals
and
policies
of
the
city's
General
plan
include
the
development
of
additional
tools
that
will
enable
industrial,
commercial
and
residential
developments
to
flourish
in
an
efficient
and
compatible
manner.
I
According
to
the
Self
Storage
association's
industry
publication,
the
site
selection
is
dependent
on
a
variety
of
factors:
ease
of
access,
proximity
and
density
of
customers,
expected
growth,
current
storage,
saturation
levels,
availability
of
land,
appropriate
zoning
and
commuter
traffic
pattern,
and
visibility
were
specifically
named
based
on
staff's
research,
self
storage
facilities
are
destination,
locations
which
do
not
solely
depend
on
enticing
pass-by-vehicle
trips
to
patronize
their
businesses.
This
is
similar
to
warehousing
and
wholesaling
uses
and
self
storage
facilities
typically
have
building
shapes
and
sizes
which
are
similar
to
warehousing
and
wholesaling
uses.
I
I
There's
a
concern
about
the
large
concentration
of
self
storage
facilities
within
the
city
as
the
youth
competes
for
space
in
buildings
that
could
house
a
variety
of
businesses
and
self
storage
facilities
do
create
a
short-term
economic
generation
while
developments
are
constructed.
However,
self-storage
facilities
are
not
long-term
economic
generators
as
they
create
few
permanent
jobs.
I
So
in
consideration
of
of
all
that's
been
stated
and
and
a
review
of
the
city's
guidelines
for
development,
especially
within
the
corridors
of
the
101
and
23
freeways
staff
proposed
the
following
location-based
standards.
That
would
allow
commercial
and
Industrial
economic
generators
to
take
the
Primacy
on
the
most
visible
locations,
while
self-storage
facilities
would
be
allowed
to
develop
unless
prominent,
but
still
accessible
sites.
I
Our
regulations
proposed
to
eliminate
new
self-storage
uses
within
the
C2
Zone
and
the
Thousand
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan
to
direct
New
Self
Storage
uses
within
the
M1
and
M2
zones,
and
prohibit
new
self
storage
facilities
from
within
one
thousand
feet
from
the
center
line
of
the
101
and
23
freeways
and
500
feet
from
from
the
center
line
of
our
arterial
roads.
I
I
A
maximum
two
acre
lot
size,
however,
is
proposed.
Self-Storage
facilities
do
not
attract
a
large
number
of
people
to
their
facilities,
and
their
facilities
have
historically
been
inward
facing
collectively.
This
means
that
self
storage
facilities
do
not
create
a
hub
of
activity.
That's
visible
from
the
street.
I
The
Self
Storage
industry
hasn't
has
introduced
two
activating
Trends,
which
are
moving
in
opposite
directions.
The
industry
has
moved
towards
fully
automating
self
storage
facilities,
while
this
reduces
cost
for
the
Self
Storage
industry.
It
decreases
the
level
of
activity
experienced
at
self
storage
facilities,
as
no
human
interaction
is
needed.
On
the
other
hand,
self-storage
facilities
have
been
built
with
a
mix
of
office,
retail
and
restaurant
uses,
which
are
on
the
front
of
the
of
the
building.
I
Current
city
regulations
require
that
self
storage
facilities
do
include
an
office
or
a
retail
development
as
a
component
of
their
development
on
the
street
Frontage,
and
that
self
storage
facility
buildings
are
either
behind
their
office
and
Retail
function,
with
a
minimum
setback
of
100
feet
from
the
property
line
to
make
self
storage
facility
locations
more
active,
especially
as
experience
from
the
street.
I
The
self
storage
facility,
if
it
doesn't
provide
those
along
the
frontage,
it
could
be
located
on
the
property
without
those,
but
it
would
need
to
be
proposed
behind
a
building
that
does
front
the
of
the
street.
A
self-storage
facility
could
use
the
office
and
retail
space
that
would
be
provided
for
their
own
needs.
I
According
to
the
Self
Storage
Association
about
50
percent
of
self
storage
facilities,
Nationwide
have
a
resident
manager
apartment
local
operators
shared
the
industry,
is
moving
away
from
caretaker
units
due
to
the
fully
automated
trend
for
new
facilities,
staff
recommends
a
caretaker
unit
requirement
to
activate
the
site,
to
provide
on-site
management
and
to
add
an
additional
level
of
security,
simply
through
the
known
presence
of
an
on-site
manager
for
existing
facilities.
The
draft
regulations
allow
expansion
and
require
a
caretaker
unit
within
the
expansion
area.
I
Staff
wants
to
recognize
that
we
did
receive
a
number
of
of
comments
that
were
provided
to
us.
So
in
response
to
those
comments
that
we've
received
since
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
staff
recommends
projects
which
would
have
would
be
allowed
an
opportunity.
I
want
to
have
a
one-time
expansion
to
either
provide
a
caretaker
unit
or
provide
a
security
system
for
the
entire
building,
and
that
security
system
would
be
reviewed
by
the
city's
Police
Department.
I
One
thing
that
we
want
to
let
the
city
council
know
too,
is
if
caretaker
units
are
constructed.
Those
would
count
towards
your
Arena
obligations.
I
Industry
Trends
not
only
cover
security
and
Lighting
systems,
but
they
also
recognize
self
storage
and
Niche
interests
that
require
the
off-site
storage
materials
in
conditioned
space
Additionally.
The
standards
proposed
allow
for
the
continued
growth
of
the
transportable
Pod
industry,
while
using
the
buildings
to
screen
the
storage
of
those
pods
from
the
public
right-of-way.
I
The
proposing
regulations
include
language
which
specifies
legal
non-conforming.
Self-Storage
facilities
could
have
a
one-time
modification
in
the
future
to
increase
the
size
of
the
building
and
expand
the
use
per
the
edits
in
the
supplemental
packet.
The
modification
could
occur
either
within
the
existing
footprint
of
the
building
or
as
an
external
addition,
but
not
both
should
a
non-conforming
self
storage
facility
cease
for
six
months
or
more,
it
would
be
deemed
abandoned
and
the
permit
would
be
a
void
and
of
no
longer
standing
per
the
edits
in
the
specific
supplemental
package.
I
No
self
new
self
storage
facilities
would
be
required
to
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission
at
a
public
hearing,
and
a
development
permit
would
be
required
for
the
physical
structure
and
a
special
use
permit
would
be
acquired
for
the
use
foreign
s
are
proposed
to
the
required
discretionary
findings
that
would
be
needed
needed
for
those
permits.
Decision
makers
would
still
be
able
to
place
specific
conditions
of
approval
on
the
project
as
a
use
is
not
permitted
by
right.
I
I
I
Facilities
are
recognized
as
a
use
which
is
needed
in
the
community,
however,
Provisions
to
allow
their
use
must
be
balanced
with
the
general
plan's
policies
and
the
economic
development
strategy.
Strategic
plan,
self-storage
facilities
are
not
economic
generators
and
they
compete
with
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
for
development
opportunities.
I
I
In
terms
of
notification,
we
wanted
everyone
to
know
that
the
city
did
notify
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
Association
of
the
proposed
specific
plan.
Amendments
and
the
city
contacted
all
15
of
the
existing
Self
Storage
operators
in
the
city
and
additional
developers
and
brokers
who
had
identified
themselves
as
interested
in
developing
self-storage
facilities.
I
After
the
moratorium
was
adopted,
the
Self
Storage
industry
did
not
reach
out
to
staff
to
discuss
potential
amendments.
However,
on
September
12th
and
13th
of
this
year,
staff
reached
out
to
the
existing
operators
and
the
Self
Storage
developers
that
had
contacted
the
city
and
we
invited
them
to
a
meeting
on
September
23rd,
where
staff
shared
the
proposed
code.
I
If
you
flip
to
the
guide
the
guidelines,
it
would
say
that
SQL
applies
only
to
projects
which
have
the
potential
for
causing
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment,
where
it
can
be
seen
with
certainty
that
there
is
no
possibility
that
the
activity
in
question
may
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment.
The
activity
is
not
subject
to
SQL
and
staff
finds
and,
and
the
Planning
Commission
found
that
the
proposed
code
amendments
will
restrict.
I
The
re
excuse
me
will
restrict
the
construction
of
new
self
storage
facilities
to
the
M1
and
M
Zone
M2
zones,
subject
to
Future
discretionary
permit
entitlements,
as
the
future
proposed
developments
would
be
subject
to
their
own
project-specific
environmental
review.
The
municipal
code,
Amendment
and
specific
plan
Amendment
would
not
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment
and
is
therefore
exempt
from
further
environmental
review.
B
B
Just
so
everybody
knows
that,
but
if
there's
any
other
questions
or
questions
of
Staff,
yes
from
Mr
Jones
go
ahead.
Yeah.
D
You
put
down
the
per
capita
a
number
of
self
storage
units
in
cities.
Is
there
supposed
to
be
some
Optimum
level
of
per
capita
self-storage.
I
D
I
That
seems
to
indicate
that
there's
interest
by
the
industry
to
continue
developing
new
facilities
here
and
the
regulations
as
proposed
does
allow
for
additional
facilities
to
be
constructed
in
the
city.
Well,.
D
O
Scott
mentioned
it's
just
to
demonstrate
where
we
as
a
City
stand
in
terms
of
number
of
facilities
in
the
county
as
opposed
to
population,
and
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
is
not
necessarily
to
encourage
more
of
the
facilities
we
haven't
addressed.
This
particular
use
in
terms
of
land
use
in
the
city
in
a
number
of
decades.
D
I
Mayor
part
time
Jones,
thank
you.
A
caretaker
is
simply
an
apartment
and
it's
an
apartment
for
someone
who
would
be
watching
after
the
facility
itself
or.
D
D
I
Did
not
identify
a
threshold
for
the
number
of
Units
Storage
units
that
would
require
the
caretaker
unit
the
requirement,
the
the
proposed
regulations,
as
recommended
with
the
supplemental
packet,
essentially,
would
allow
the
developer
of
the
chance
to
either
choose
a
if
they're
expanding
their
their
facilities.
Do
they
want
to
provide
a
caretaker
unit?
I
H
D
I
D
No,
he
wants
to
speak
of.
N
Mayor
yeah,
let's
see
so
we
have
a
million
50
000
square
feet
of
Self
Storage
in
the
city
right.
That
puts
us
right
at
the
top
of
self-storage
cities
in
Ventura,
County,
correct,
but.
I
Based
on
the
the
information
provided
to
other
cities,
yes-
and
we
believe
that
that's
accurate.
N
Okay
and
if
I
recall,
what
prompted
this
scrutiny
is,
we
had
two
proposals
in
front
of
us
for
another
300
000
square
feet,
and
one
of
them,
I
think
was
about
200
000
was
pretty
much
Prime.
Property
commercial
property
ran
on
the
freeway,
so
there
was
thought
that
you
know
is
that
the
highest
and
best
use
for
that
piece
of
property.
N
So
here
we
are
coming
out
of
the
moratorium
and
confronting
some
of
those
questions.
I
did
want
to
ask
you
about
this
caretaker
business.
You
had
said
in
the
presentation.
The
trend
in
the
industry
now
is
more
along
the
digital
side.
N
I
Council,
member
Adams,
the
that
is
certainly
a
possibility,
and
there
is
proposed
language
in
the
supplemental
packet
that
certainly
leads
down
that
way.
N
N
G
You
mayor
I,
appreciate
the
clarification
on
the
caretaker
unit.
I
am
aligned
with
council
member
Adam
and
Jones
here
that
that
should
be
up
to
the
new
construction
as
to
if
they
want
to
make
it
automated
digitized,
with
police
blessing
escrow
to
a
caretaker
that
that
would
be
my
direction
on
that.
I
need
to
ask
a
few
questions
here.
G
You
have
put
it
down
to
a
restriction
of
two
acres
maximum
that
this
future
development
could
accommodate.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
accurate,
and
why
are
we
doing
that?
If
we
have
acreage
that
Pious
and
best
use
would
be
self
storage?
Why
are
we
not
allowing
that
to
occur?
Why
are
we
putting
a
cap
on
two
acres?
What's
the
purpose
of
that.
G
I
Well,
councilmember
back
to
me.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Self
storage
facilities
in
their
own
right
do
not
generate
a
large
income
coming
out
of
those
properties,
and
nor
do
they
create
a
high
level
of
employment
opportunities
and
those
employment
opportunities
that
they
do
create
are
not
high
income
earners.
If
you
will
so
the
secondary
effects
from
those
employees
don't
also
spill
out
into
the
community.
I
There
clearly
is
a
relationship
between
businesses
that
could
rent
space
from
these
facilities,
for
the
very
reasons
that
you
suggest
and,
and
mention
and
again
these
regulations
that
we're
proposing
don't
preclude
the
development
of
a
new
self-storage
facilities
or
make
the
existing
ones
go
away.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
a
balancing
act.
What
are
the
future
best.
I
I
G
Other
last
point:
this
would
be
my
third
question
mayor.
So
that
way
you
keep
me.
The
third
limit
three
question
limit:
is
that
we're
putting
these
into
industrial
areas
correct,
correct
and
yet
we're
mandating
that
they
make
this
some
sort
of
economic
Hub
by
putting
some
sort
of
mixed
use
in
front
for
the
look
that
we
want
to
attract
activity,
we're
in
an
industrial
area?
How
much
activity
can
you
have
in
an
industrial
area,
and
the
other
is
I?
G
Don't
want
to
compel
businesses
to
put
in
some
sort
of
retail
whatever
site
in
front
to
make
a
quote:
look
good,
which
drives
up
the
price
of
the
project
that
in
turn
makes
the
space
more
expensive
for
our
residents
all
for
the
sake
of
looking
pretty
when
in
fact,
businesses
going
in
there
may
wind
up
be
vacant.
So
it
to
me
is
from
a
businessman
standpoint,
I
would
say:
that's
should
be
up
to
the
storage
unit
facility,
not
for
City
to
mandate
that
that
should
be
there.
G
I
Council
member
back
to
me,
so
one
of
the
reasons
is
to
to
increase
activity,
as,
as
you
said,
to
make
it
look.
Nicer
is
part
of
it
eyes
on
the
street
as
part
of
it.
Activating
the
activating
the
use
can
have
secondary
benefits
to
the
other
industrial
properties
around
it
as
well.
For
instance,
if
there
was
a
restaurant
of
some
sort
that
went
into
it,
it
would
be
to
the
benefit
of
other
nearby
industry,
industrial
developments
that
may
not
have
a
restaurant
nearby.
I
There
are
facilities
like
this
in
our
jurisdiction,
there's
a
few
of
them,
but
not
many
in
other
jurisdictions.
You
do
have
restaurants
and
Retail
operations
that
do
pop
up
in
industrial
areas
when
they
are
provided.
So
there
are
opportunities
and
the
the
idea
itself
generated
by
the
industry
itself,
as
we
were
looking
at
the
industry's
Publications
and
we're
looking
at
the
industry's
awards
that
they
were
giving
out
to
their
facilities
of
the
year,
they
were
highlighting
on
their
own,
the
mixed-use
facilities.
G
There
any
way
we
can
make
this
a
either
or
situation
for
the
developer,
that,
if
you
want
to
put
in
mixed
use,
it
makes
sense
it's
going
to
be
a
survivable
business.
It's
not
going
to
sit
vacant
and
create
blight
it'll
make
it
look
pretty.
That's
your
choice,
business
owner!
That's
your
choice,
developer!
Let
you
guys
do
that
and
either
or
situation
I
think
would
be
more
compatible
with
a
free
market
system.
M
You
I
think
for
the
thorough
presentation
appreciate
that
thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
Yes,
we
do
have
in
industrial
areas
we
do
have.
As
you
mentioned,
we
have
restaurants.
We
have
other
businesses
that
that
attract
foot
traffic
in
various
industrial
areas
in
including
in
Westlake,
Village
and,
of
course,
then
in
Newbury
Park.
M
My
question
is
we
we're
looking
at
the
square
footage
for
Thousand
Oaks?
We
have
over
a
million
square
feet
and
you
were
looking
at
other
cities
for
comparison.
How.
I
Councilmember
clouded
Baylor.
Excuse
me
De
La
Pena,
my
apologies.
We
couldn't
find
that
statistic
on
our
own
in
the
industry
did
not
provide
that
to
us,
although
they
mentioned
again
that
that
is
a
metric
that
they
use.
So
we
simply
reached
out
to
our
colleagues
to
try
to
see
if
we
could
figure
it
out
and
the
statistics
that
we
shared
on
the
screen
was
what
we
were
able
to
gather
from
our
fellow
jurisdictions.
Since
the
Planning
Commission
meeting.
M
I,
look
at
the
Willow
Lane
property
currently
under
construction,
gorgeous
gorgeous
Ridge
View
line
that
could
have
been
I,
don't
know,
maybe
a
restaurant
or
something
else,
and
instead
it's
a
storage
facility
that
is
now
grazing
will
be
gracing.
The
the
Ridgeline
above
Willow
Lane,
so
I
I,
just
wanted
to
say
really
more
as
an
observation
than
it
is
a
question
is
that
it
does
make
sense
to
me
to
have
these
restrictions
in
place.
M
Also,
regarding
caretaker
units,
there
are
I
understand
smaller
facilities
that
do
have
caretaker
because
they
don't
invest
money
into
having
the
high-tech
equipment.
So
would
it
not
make
sense
to
still
retain
the
option
of
of
caretaker
in
in
this.
I
Council,
member
Bill
De
La
Pena
the
way
that
the
regulations
are
written.
We
do
have
the
option
for
the
existing
facilities
that
we've
proposed
and
we
look
to
council
to
give
ultimate
Direction
on
how
you
would
like
to
proceed
with
that.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
for
the
questions,
colleagues,
a
couple
questions
for
me:
I
think
and
I
appreciate
that
we're
making
some
progress
as
far
as
the
caretaker
option
of
providing
one
the
question
I
guess
I
have
is
we're
going
to
be
have
a
kind
of
bifurcation
here
of
older
uses
in
as
existing,
not
conforming,
and
then
the
New
Uses
on
the
existing
non-conforming
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
able
to
if
somebody
has
a
a
fire
or
an
earthquake,
knocks
a
building
down
that
they
can
rebuild
with
the
same
use
if
they
were
to
sell
the
property
to
to
another
vendor
that
is
going
to
continue.
I
B
So
we
won't
be
encumbering
the
business
with
a
with
a
an
end
date
on
on
the
current
use.
That's
good!
That's.
B
Okay
and
then
my
second
question
has
to
do
with
the
existing
footprint
on
the
on
these
existing
non-conforming
buildings.
They
can
build
out
to
the
existing
footprint
of
the
buildings
or
a
if
I,
remember
right
at
10
percent
Edition,
but
not
both.
I
Mayor
Engler,
the
way
that
the
regulations
are
proposed
today
is
allowing
the
10
Edition
for
the
facilities,
whether
it's
an
internal
expansion
or
if
it's
an
addition
on
the
outside
of
it.
If
the
city
council
would
like
to
expand
that,
that
is
absolutely
something
within
the
council's
control
to
allow
it
to
expand
to
the
full
footprint
of
the
building.
B
I
would
I
would
think
that'd
be
appropriate
if
somebody
has
an
existing
building,
that's
vacant,
otherwise,
the
another
sort
of
corollary
to
that
we
do
have
some
existing
buildings
that
are
not
air-conditioned.
Would
they
be
required
to
to
retrofit,
or
can
they
be
existing,
not
reforming
as
well.
I
Mayor
angler,
thank
you
for
that
question
too.
So
the
existing
non-conforming
facilities
they
get
to
stay
exactly
how
they
are
today.
If
they
propose
no
modifications
at
all,
if
they
propose
modifications,
then
the
part
which
would
be
expanded
would
be
required
to
come
up
to
the
proposed
operational
standards
and
they
have
an
option
of
retrofitting
of
the
other
square
footage
in
the
in
the
unit.
B
Thank
you
and
then
just
one
quick
question.
If
my
colleagues
will
allow
me
on
on
the
mixed
use
Frontage
in
the
buildings,
it
seems
that
we're
we're
putting
these
buildings
way
out
in
in
the
industrial
areas
where
the
frontage
may
or
may
not
support
a
a
retail
in
front
I.
Think
it's
a
good
idea
to
do
that,
because
it
will
bring
more
activity
to
it.
B
But
in
terms
of
some
of
my
colleagues
talking
about,
is
this
mandatory
I
don't
want
to
create
a
situation
where
it
won't
be
economically
feasible
to
even
bring
in
new
places
if
we,
if
we
have
that
additional
requirement,
I
I
think
that
these
do
have
value
for,
for
our
community
just
from
the
residential
side.
B
I
think
it
was
a
15
percent,
or
so
as
business,
which
is
a
minor
portion
of
it,
is
business
use,
but
they
do
serve
a
purpose
and
I
don't
want
to
get
to
a
regulation
that
keeps
keeps
new
places
from
coming
in.
Can
you
comment
a
little
bit
on
on
the
pluses
and
minuses
of
the
residential
and
that's
residential,
the
retail
in
front.
I
Sure
so,
mayor
again,
thank
you
for
that
question.
So
as
a
reminder,
today's
existing
code
that
we
have
in
Thousand
Oaks
requires
the
office
and
Retail
component
for
self
storage
facilities
today.
So
that
is
the
Baseline
that
we're
operating
with
what
we
were
proposing
is
expanding
that
to
help
generate
further
activity,
so
some
of
the
existing
facilities
that
we
have,
for
instance,
if
we
think
about
the
many
mansions
project
on
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard,
that
has
the
office
front
and
center
to
try
to
generate
some
level
of
activity
on
that
property.
I
I
G
I
want
to
come
back
to
the
climate
control,
what
city
staff
rationale,
uncompelling,
climate
control
and
I
assume.
That
means
air
conditioning
and
heating
that
one
drives
up
the
price
of
the
facility
drives
up.
The
cost
of
storage
may
not
be
needed
for
that
particular
storage,
product
or
service,
that's
being
provided
there.
In
my
opinion,
it
should
be
decided
by
the
developer
and
the
customer
who
comes
in
and
uses
that
facility,
for
example,
if
you're
storing
cans
of
olives
that
you
want
to
sell
in
your
store.
G
But
you
need
a
storage
area
because
you
can't
yes,
climate
control
would
be
needed,
but
that
would
be
decided
between
the
developer
builder
of
this
facility
and
that
customer,
whereas
we
as
City
staff,
think
that
we
should
go
in
and
tell
them
how
to
run
their
business
share
with
me.
The
rationale
on
that
so.
I
Council
member
McNamee,
thank
you
for
that
question
too.
I'm
going
to
jump
back
in
time
a
little
bit
when
the
moratorium
itself
was
originally
proposed
back
in
January.
The
developers
that
came
in
and
spoke
to
the
city
council
at
that
meeting
talked
about
how
air
conditioning
was
something
needed
for
storing
residential
Goods.
H
I
Their
facilities
for
long-term
wear
and
tear
and
maintenance,
so
that
was
an
idea
that
was
shared
directly
with
Council
from
the
industry.
In
addition
to
that,
as
we've
looked
at
the
industry
regulations,
the
new
facilities
that
are
coming
online
nationally
and
in
California
have
been
including
the
conditioned
space
within
their
facilities.
G
E
To
share
something
right
before
you
go
in
Mr
Parker
I,
just
to
make
one
additional
point
for
the
council.
You
know
when
you
are
updating
regulations
in
an
area
like
this,
and
it
doesn't
happen
that
frequently
at
this
granular
level,
but
you
generally
go
out
and
look
at
the
industry
best
practices.
So
this
is
something
that's
an
industry
best
practice.
It's
the
pleasure
of
the
council
right
if
this
is
something
that
the
industry
has
been
pretty
vocal
about,
usually
want
to
establish
what
those
best
practices
are.
G
Why
are
we
doing
this
a
thousand
square
square
feet
or
a
thousand
feet
from
101
Center
Line?
What's
the
rationale
on
that?
Are
we
trying
to
cause
more
vehicle
miles
traveled
by
having
it
further
back
from
the
freeway,
because
I
think,
if
you
want
to
drop
something
off
the
closer
to
the
freeway,
actually
would
be
better
for
a
number
of
reasons.
G
I'd
rather
put
storage
where
the
freeway
air
is
not
the
greatest
right
next
to
the
freeway,
because
people
aren't
going
to
live
in
this,
these
storage
units.
What's
the
rationale
there.
I
So
there's
a
couple
different
rationales
here.
So,
first
and
foremost,
the
biggest
reason
to
put
in
the
separation
distance
was
to
give
the
greatest
visibility
to
our
economic
generators
and
our
Civic
institutions.
O
And
if
I
may
add
to
that,
the
thousand
foot
standard
is
consistent
with
our
scenic
highways
ordinance
and
how
it's
applied
in
the
general
plan.
So
typically
it's
consistent
with
what
we
would
apply
to
other
uses
that
follow
along
our
Scenic
corridor.
O
Additionally,
I've
been
mentioned
here
this
evening.
What
we're
suggesting
are
industry
best
practices,
which
is
what
we
do
for
all
uses
that
come
into
the
city.
It
just
so
happens
that
this
is
one
that
hasn't
been
updated
for
decades.
So,
while
it
may
seem
like
it's
much
different
than
what
we
have,
it's
just
a
product
of
not
making
regular
updates
to
the
standards
in
this
particular
code
area.
G
G
Some
of
the
ones
that
are
grandfathered
in
that's
why
I'll
referred
to
the
map,
if
that's
okay
with
you
that
already
have
existing
facilities
if
they
had
purchased
this
purchased
these
properties
already
having
some
storage
on
there
but
wanted
to
expand
because
they've
got
the
acreage
to
do
so.
What
restrictions
do
they
have?
What
will
they
be
facing?
I
So,
council,
member
back
to
me,
the
way
that
the
current
regulations
are
written
would
allow
a
maximum
of
a
10
expansion
of
the
gross
square.
Footage
of
the
building
up
to
8
000
square
feet
is
is,
what's
currently
in
the
regulations
we're
at
council's
direction.
If,
if
we're
looking
to
change
that,
that's
specifically
for
the
Self
Storage
use
the
properties
that
we're
talking
about
have
a
range
of
other
uses
that
could
also
be
proposed
on
them,
and
those
development
opportunities
still
are
remain
on
the
property.
I
G
I
B
A
A
Cancer
support
Community
has
for
30
plus
years
provided
comprehensive
high
quality
how's
that
oh
that's
I,
can
hear
myself
now.
We've
provided
high
quality,
educational
and
psychosocial,
supportive
care
services
to
the
Thousand
Oaks
and
Conejo
Valley
Community
cancer
patients,
family
members,
the
caregivers
and
their
children.
All
of
these
services
are
provided
at
no
cost.
Earlier.
This
year
we
were
just
20
days
from
a
closing
escrow
with
a
self-storage
developer,
when
the
moratorium
was
enacted
during
the
six
months
of
design
process
and
conversations
with
City
staff.
A
The
buyer
complied
with
all
requested
changes.
The
imposed
moratorium
forced
the
escrow
cancellation
as
mentioned,
and
we
all
now
know
the
situation
with
the
real
estate
market.
Today,
cancer
support
Community
has
been
left
in
limbo
because
of
the
facility
costs
associated
with
the
maintenance
of
our
building
and
needed
infrastructure
upgrades
to
the
Hampshire
facility.
Cancer
support
Community
needs
to
sell
this
property
move
to
a
smaller
local
location
in
the
very
near
future.
A
C
A
lot
of
good
discussion
on
a
scintillating
subject,
good
evening,
mayor
council
members,
my
name
is
Tom
Cohn
I'm,
a
resident
of
Thousand,
Oaks
and
I'm
here
tonight,
representing
Public
Storage
owner
of
the
former
Jaffer
property,
and
we
submitted
a
letter
yesterday
that
is
in
your
Council
packet.
That
outlines
our
thoughts.
I
also
want
to
let
you
know
that
Brian
Miranda
with
Public
Storage,
is
here
this
evening
and
and
can
answer
industry
specific
questions.
C
Should
you
have
any
Public
Storage
has
owned
this
9.6
acre
property
for
three
years
at
the
time
it
purchased
the
property
from
Jaffer
at
least
back
approximately
50
000
square
feet
to
jaffra.
For
a
three
year
period,
the
Jaffer
building
had
already
undergone
a
change
prior
to
public
storage's
purchase
when
a
self-storage
operator
sublease
space
and
built
out
a
portion
of
the
building,
Public
Storage
then
built
out
all,
but
the
jafra
occupied
portion
and
leased
up
that
new
space
within
six
months.
C
Public
Storage
then
approached
the
city
to
expand
due
to
evidence
of
high
demand
and
was
informed
of
the
moratorium.
So
Public
Storage
has
sat
back
waiting.
The
outcome
of
the
anticipated
changes
to
the
standards
which
we're
here
tonight
to
discuss
Public
Storage
understands
the
city's
desire
to
preserve
the
land
for
opportunities
for
productive
uses
that
create
jobs
and
Spurs
economic
activity.
C
They
encounter
that
in
every
city
that
they
work
in
with
that
said,
Public
Storage
has
no
qualms
with
the
standards
as
they
apply
to
new
development
of
cell
storage
to
limit
locations
and
to
ensure
it
is
built
to
the
highest
quality
Aesthetics
that
Thousand
Oaks
expects
Public.
Storage
concern
is
in
the
way
the
new
standards
impact
existing
facilities.
So
we
like
to
offer
a
couple
of
recommendations
that
I've
actually
heard
ideas
of
this
explore
tonight
by
the
council
members
and
their
questions.
First,
the
standard
that
allows
expansion
up
to
10
or
8
000
square
feet.
C
Second,
we
would
respectfully
ask
the
council
to
consider
allowing
expansion
within
the
existing
footprint
of
existing
facilities.
This
allows
empty
interior
space
to
be
utilized
and
does
not
require
any
exterior
change
to
the
building
facade
and
last
we
like
the
changes
that
staff
has
brought
to
your
attention
tonight,
as
it
relates
to
the
caretaker
requirement
by
allowing
the
applicant
the
option
to
provide
either
a
caretaker
unit
or
Implement
security
measures
satisfactory
to
the
police
department,
Public
Storage
as
a
matter
of
course,
installs
state-of-the-art
security
features
in
all
of
its
facilities
and
belief.
C
Staff
solution
is
a
good
one
and
then
the
allow
us
to
rebuild
in
the
event
of
a
destruction
of
the
facility
I
think
that's
a
fair
and
reasonable
change
to
the
ordinance
as
well.
We
see
these
changes
to
this
to
the
standards
as
being
good
for
the
city.
The
existing
facilities
are
here
for
the
Long
Haul
and
to
allow
these
facilities.
C
C
It's
already
been
assigned.
We,
our
our
facility,
actually
has
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
square
feet.
So
we
want
to
thank
you
for
the
additional
50
000..
It's
it
identifies
our
spaces
of
having
200
000
square
feet
of
storage.
C
The
the
other
thing
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
per
capita.
The
per
capita
equilibrium
that
I
think
councilmember
Jones
mentioned
is
somewhere
between
10
to
15
square
feet
per
person
which,
based
on
the
numbers
I
saw
in
the
staff
report,
suggests,
there's
still
a
room
for
more
and
you're
you're,
allowing
for
that
for
the
new
facilities,
because
you've
identified
about
30
Parcels,
but
you
have
ready-made
space
now
with
existing
facilities
that
have
the
room
to
build
it
within
the
facilities
without
changing
the
look
of
the
facility
at
all.
C
P
Good
evening,
honorable
council
members,
my
name
is
Ryan
Lederman
I'm
from
the
law
firm
Holland
at
night,
I'm
here
representing
Cancer
Care
communities.
What
you're
hearing
tonight
is
an
effort
by
the
fox
to
guard
the
hen
house.
Of
course,
the
existing
facilities
don't
want
the
competition
they're
not
going
to
be
subject
to
the
new
regulations.
P
P
What
this
regulation
does
is
it
prevents
new
facilities
that
are
going
to
harm
the
residents
of
the
city
and
the
businesses
of
the
city.
This
is
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem
that
will
only
help
the
existing
self-storage
facilities,
who
are
going
to
be
exempt.
They
can
modify
their
facilities
and
still
be
exempt.
P
P
We
strongly
feel
that
these
regulations
are
going
to
do
harm
to
your
constituents
and
there's
no
logical
reason
why
there
needs
to
be
retail
in
an
industrial
area
or
why
there's
going
to
be
a
successful
restaurant
in
an
area
that's
closed
after
nighttime,
it's
illogical,
you're
putting
in
caretakers
in
industrial
areas
and
the
whole
point
of
having
an
industrial
area
is
to
prevent
residential
uses.
So
it's
illogical.
What
you're
doing
it's
illogical
to
separate
this
out
from
freeways
it's
going
to
increase
vehicle
miles
traveled!
P
P
B
Thank
you,
sir.
That's
our
last
public
speaker
on
this
item,
so
we
can
close
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
turn
over
to
our
staff
for
comments
on
the
on
the
on
the
speakers
and
then
open
up
two
questions.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
to
begin
in
regards
to
comments
related
to
a
potential
application.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
all
application
fees
were
refunded
to
that
particular
applicant.
That's
also
the
reason
they
were
not
contacted
as
part
of
preparation
for
this
particular
item,
because
there
was
no
active
application
or
applicant
on
that
particular
site.
For
this
Additionally.
The
location
in
question
is
along
a
primary
Arterial
Highway,
which
is
typically
land
that
we've
identified
as
a
city
which
is
within
our
purview
to
place
our
highest
and
best
uses
as
staff.
I
The
only
other
couple
comments
that
I'll
make
is
some
public
comments
that
had
given
stated.
It
was
illogical
for
us
to
put
residential
uses
within
industrial
areas,
and
it's
not
atypical
for
industrial
facilities
to
have
caretaker
units
in
this
jurisdiction
or
in
others,
it's
something
that
does
exist,
so
it's
different
than
putting
a
full-scale
apartment.
This
is
a
single
unit
that
would
be
located
on
these
buildings
and
in
terms
of
putting
in
other
other
uses
in
the
industrial
zones.
I
We
find
that
there
are
restaurants
and
other
things
that
exist
within
our
city
today
that
are
operating
on
one
end
of
the
Spectrum
in
the
Rancho
Conejo
area.
There
is
a
a
restaurant
that
primarily
serves
breakfast
and
lunch
for
their
their
clientele
and
on
the
other
side
of
the
city
over
in
Westlake
Boulevard.
Just
for
another
example,
we
have
breweries
that
are
existing
that
could
locate
into
a
retail
facility
of
sorts.
I
So
there
is
a
range
of
possibilities
that
are
here,
and
we
see
that
the
regulations
as
proposed
are
not
illogical
and
again
in
terms
of
expansion
of
additional
facilities.
There
are
sites
that
could
be
developed
and
there
is
a
market
demand,
so
it
would
make
sense
that
we
would
see
something
pop
up
in
the
future
in
a
place
that
would
be
a
appropriate
and
not
harmful
to
our
economic
generators.
So
I
I
don't
know.
If
there's
any
other
staff
comments,
we.
O
Have
yeah
just
one
more
comment,
just
in
terms
of
the
use
itself,
it's
not
something
that
the
ordinance
is
trying
to
encourage
or
make
more
robust,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
this
isn't
that's
why
a
market
study
or
analysis
is
not
appropriate
for
this
particular
use,
as
staff
has
mentioned
on
a
couple
of
occasions.
K
And
I
have
one
additional
comment
as
well.
Excuse
me,
you
know
just
a
reminder:
why
we're
here
why
the
city
council
adopted
the
moratorium
in
the
first
place,
cities
grow
and
they
change
over
time
and
cities
regularly
change
their
zoning
codes
and
their
General
plans
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that
right
now
and
they're,
and
they
do
make
those
changes
based
on
current
priorities
and
needs
of
a
community.
So
when
a
city
does
that
it
is,
you
know
it
is
very
common
to
create
legally
non-conforming
uses.
K
Our
city
has
various
legally
non-conforming
uses
in
our
city
and
cities
across
the
entire
state.
Does
that
it's
permitted
under
our
state
police
Powers?
It's
also
authorized
and
identified
under
the
state,
Planning
and
Zoning
law.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
have
to
close
your
doors
if
you're
just
deemed
a
legally
non-conforming
use,
they
can
continue
to
operate.
The
one
thing
I
want
you
to
to
remind
you
is
that
most
cities,
including
our
city,
do
not
allow
expansions
of
Legally
non-conforming
uses
and
that's
because
expansion
of
it
actually
conflicts
with
your
current
land
use
policies.
K
You're
amending
your
zoning
code
because
you
are
placing
a
higher
priority
on
certain
types
of
uses
and
less
priority
on
other
types
of
uses.
So
most
cities,
including
the
city,
do
not
allow
any
type
of
expansion
of
a
legally
non-conforming
use.
In
this
case,
however,
staff
actually
drafted
specific
language
allowing
minimal
expansion,
10
000
square
feet
or
I'm
sorry,
10
or
8
000
square
feet
for
a
legally
non-conforming
use.
Council
can
direct
staff
to
change
that
language
if
they
so
desire.
But
again
it
goes
back
to
the
reason
why
staff
is
recommending
these
things.
K
When
we
update
our
zoning
codes,
we
always
evaluate
industry
best
practices.
These
regulations
are
decades
old,
so
they
are
very
different
from
what
what
is
currently
on
the
books,
but
they
represent
industry
best
practices.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
ultimately
up
to
the
five
of
you.
What
you
want
for
these
types
of
uses
in
the
city
and
where
you
want
them
to
be
located.
B
Thank
you,
questions
or
comments.
Mr
Adam.
N
Thank
you,
mayor
well,
I,
completely
understand
the
need
for
the
moratorium.
You
know
we
were
facing
a
proliferation
of
self
storage
units
throughout
the
city.
We
have
a
million
50
000
square
feet
and
at
the
time
another
300
000
square
feet
was
being
proposed.
That
was
a
30
increase
of
what
we
have
already.
N
So
it
was
time
to
step
back
and
take
a
look
at
the
situation.
I
certainly
think
Thousand
Oaks
has
done
its
share
in
providing
Self
Storage
to
their
residents
and
there's
nothing
that
says
that,
even
if
there's
a
demand,
we
have
to
it's
our
responsibility
to
fill
that
demand,
but
I
certainly
think
with
over
a
million
square
feet.
We've
certainly
gone
a
long
way
to
do
that,
but
I
think
we're
at
the
point
now
where
we
do
have
to
sit
back
and
look
at
this.
N
You
know,
as
far
as
the
property,
the
cancer
center
property
to
me,
there's
there's
a
location
problem.
There
you
ride
across
the
street
from
our
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
right
across
the
street
is
the
Kmart
project
where
Teo
Ranch,
it's
being
called,
which
is
going
to
be
an
exceptional
mixed-use
project,
provide
a
lot
of
housing
for
the
city.
N
N
I
would
say
that
if
you
really
want
to
get
down
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
it,
you
know
I
I'm,
prepared
to
make
a
motion
here,
but
I
I
think
this
business
of
the
caretaker
versus
the
digital
I
think
that
that
should
be
optional.
N
I
think
that
one
or
the
other
will
will
be
fine
number
one
number,
two
and
I
think
the
mayor
and
councilmember
McNamee
had
a
little
bit
of
concerns
about
this
retail
in
the
front
and
whether
or
not
that
was
really
a
viable
idea.
I
I
have
my
doubts
about
that,
too.
N
To
be
honest
with
you,
so
as
as
Mr
McNamee
mentioned,
maybe
I'd
consider
making
that
optional,
but
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
to
limit
new
ones
I
like
the
idea
of
breaking
it
down
to
at
least
30
particular
sites,
and
we
have
some
very
important
sites
in
here
in
town,
and
we
have
some
businesses
that
are
building
and
Self
Storage
doesn't
fit
in
a
lot
of
the
spots
that
it
could
fit
unless
we
change
it.
N
So
I
think
the
30
sites
are
fair
and
I
also
think
that
now
getting
to
the
existing
sites,
I'm
good
with
the
8
000
square
feet
or
the
10
for
an
existing
site
to
expand,
but
I
also
think
it's
fair.
N
If
there
is
an
existing
site
that
it
can
expand
its
use
within
the
footprint.
That's
there
now,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
can
go
up
another
story
or
build
access.
You
know
accessory
buildings,
but
if
it's
within
the
footprints,
it's
there
now
and
there's
some
existing
space
that
isn't
being
used
for
whatever
reason,
it
seems
to
me
that
that's
not
really
going
to
change
the
equation
so
much
if
that
is
in
fact,
converted
to
Self
Storage
can.
G
N
Do
you
follow
the
concern
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
I
wouldn't
go
that
far
with
this
motion.
I'm
about
to
make
I
I
would
say
that
that's
an
actual
expansion
Beyond
the
existing
footprint
and
it
to
me
it's
got
to
be
an
either
or
either
you're
going
to
go
with
the
8
000
square
feet
and
or
the
10
percent,
or
expand
within
your
existing
footprint
and
don't
go
beyond
that.
So.
G
I,
follow
your
concern
and
I'm
thinking
how
to
phrase
frame
this,
because
if
you've
got
a
facility
right
now,
that's
landlocked,
they
can't
do
any
more
than
what
is
proposed
with
the
8
000
square
feet.
But
if
you've
got
a
facility,
that's
got
more
acreage
that
could
expand.
Why
are
we
tying
their
hands?
Could
we
do
it
if
they've
got
the
acreage
to
do
it
or
within
the
expansion
should
be
within
their
property
lines?
Do
you
follow
my
my
thought
process
here?
I.
G
N
Again,
the
you
know,
the
the
the
intent
here
is
to
not
necessarily
expand
any
greater
than
what
we
already
have
and
limit
any
new
facilities
to
these
30
sites
that
have
been
you
know,
designated
that
aren't
necessarily
on
our
101
Corridor
or
along
the
teal
Boulevard.
Of
course,
you
know
the
staff
is
suggesting
we
ban
them
and
within
the
to
specific
plan,
to
begin
with.
D
N
N
I
would
move
the
staff
recommendations
with
with
these
changes.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
that
we
we
make
the
caretaker
and
digital
business
optional
all
right,
depending
on
what
the
people
feel
is
appropriate.
C
K
N
N
K
Now,
what
what
what
staff
is
proposing
is
that,
if
a
legally
non-conforming
use,
in
other
words,
an
existing
building,
an
existing
self-storage
facility
is
destroyed
by
fire,
let's
say
Okay
under
our
current
zoning
code,
they
would
not
be
able
to
rebuild
it.
What
we
are
suggesting
is
adding
language
that
would
allow
them
to
rebuild
it,
even
though
it's
legally
non-conforming,
oh.
N
B
N
B
You
done
Mr
Adam,
very
good.
Do
I
think
we
have
a
motion.
Let
me
call
on
Mr
McNamee
first,
because
he's
before
Ed
I.
G
G
To
the
market,
so
if
you're
storing
papers
bicycles,
things
of
that
nature,
climate
control
is
not
important,
but
if
you've
got
a
winery
out
in
Simi
Valley
and
you
want
to
store
wine
over
here.
Yes,
climate
control
would
be
important,
so
it
also
drives
up
the
price
of
the
facility,
which
makes
it
more
expensive
to
build
and
to
have
future
units
plus
it
should
be
up
to
the
consumer
and
the
developer
to
make
that
choice,
not
us
as
a
council
to
tell
them
climate
control
when
I'm,
storing
a.
N
A
friendly
Amendment,
oh
yeah,
I,
see
your
point.
I
mean
I'm,
not
in
the
business
to
drive
up
costs
and
make
things
more
difficult.
Maybe
could
I
get
a
an
expert
opinion
on
that,
not
to
say
that
you're,
not
an
expert,
of
course,
but
did
staff
already
address
that
is
there
some
compelling
reason
that
we
should
mandate
climate
control.
I
H
I
O
I
can't
speak
to
the
cost,
but,
as
Scott
mentioned,
it's
the
current
best
practice
in
the
industry
to
do
so,
but,
ultimately
that
provision
is
up
to
the
council
to
decide
if
that's
something
they
want
to
include
or
not,
if
it's
not
a
requirement
of
the
ordinance
just
because
it
is
a
best
practice.
The
Operators
may
just
go
ahead
and
do
that
on
their
own.
What.
N
I
Put
it
a
different
way,
as
we
have
engaged
with
the
operators
when
we
met
with
them
in
September
and
when
they
came
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
even
tonight,
no
one
specified
that
as
an
issue.
N
N
B
You
know
what
I
think.
B
D
I,
you
know
your
emotion,
I
think
had
a
lot
of
good
ideas
and
things
I
agree
with.
Thank
you,
I,
don't
know.
If
I
understand
the
motion
completely
I'll
tell
you
my
position
and
that
is
I
agree.
I
think
the
retail
ought
to
be
optional
and
I.
Think
the
caretakers
dwelling
out
of
the
option
I
can't
this
is
self-storage
right,
yeah,
I'm,
tired
of
Envision
a
typical
eight-hour
day
of
a
caretaker.
If
he
lives
there
in
a
building
that
is
self-utilized,
I
mean
I.
I.
Just
don't
know
why
anybody
thought
of.
D
K
You
want
me
to
reset
the
motion
for
you
sure,
so
the
motion
on
the
floor
right
now
is
to
approve
staff's
recommendation.
The
municipal
code
amendments
with
the
following
amendments,
as
proposed
by
staff
in
the
supplemental,
to
provide
a
caretaker
security
camera
system
upgrade
option
so
either
you
can
choose
a
kit
to
construct
a
caretaker
unit
or
have
other
security
measures.
That's.
D
N
D
If
it
is
not
bad,
a
non-confiring
use.
M
I'm
glad
that
Scott
mentioned
the
storage
that
we
have
on
Thousand,
Oaks,
Boulevard
and
the
front
office
is
an
office
for
many
mansions.
That
was
part
of
a
deal
that
how
old
is
it
now
10
years?
I
can't
remember
about
they
donated
a
million
dollars
in
order
to
make
that
deal
happen
and
provided
that
office
too
many
mansions,
and
that
is
the
sort
of
collaboration
that
we
need
in
this
community
that
we
could
have.
Maybe
one
of
the
other
non-profits
also
take
advantage
of
the
storage
facility
in
the
industrial
area.
M
It
doesn't
have
to
be
big,
small
and
and
offer
that
as
a
public
benefit,
so
I
it
was
wonderful.
It
was
the
first
time
that
we
had
such
a
proposal
before
us
at
the
city
and
it
was
embraced.
It
was
a
fantastic
idea
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
repeated
in
our
community
for
with
the
existing
storage
facilities
or
any
future
storage
facilities.
So
yes,
it's
a
good
idea
to
make
it
optional,
but
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
we
really
try
to
maximize
the
the
opportunities
that
we
have
here
with
a
public-private
partnership.
M
G
M
G
G
I
G
M
M
E
Well,
maybe
I'll
I'll
just
take
a
stab,
so
that
was
reached
as
I
recall.
It's
been
a
while
that
maybe
Tracy
can
clarify
but
I
believe
that
was
a
Rob
that,
with
a
development
agreement
on
the
for
the
many
mansions
item,
so
certainly
in
the
in
the
development
process,
staff
could
work
to
encourage
cajole
that
type
of
use
in
the
in
the
frontage
and-
and
you
know
the
whole
reason
behind
that,
and
you
made
mention
to
it-
I
think
it's
important
when
everybody
says
mixed
use.
E
You
immediately
think
mixed
use
as
it
relates
to
residential
mixed
use
where
you
have
restaurant
or
yoga
studios,
or
things
like
that.
I
think
in
the
industrial
area,
much
more
likely
to
see
an
HVAC
contractor
a
plumbing
office,
or
you
know
perhaps
other
types
of
uses
within
there
and
so
and
the
main
reason
behind
that
was
really
derived
at
activating
the
front
rather
than
just
having
an
electronic
gate
that
opens
onto
the
the
frontage.
G
B
E
Climate
would
apply
only
to
new
facilities
going
forward.
It
would
not
be.
That
would
not
be
a
requirement.
Oh
no,
existing.
N
M
M
B
Okay,
it
gets
well
here.
What's
up,
can
I
jump
in
as
well
sure?
Thank
you.
Please.
Yeah
I
think
the
climate
control
I
think
is
is
probably
best
practice
going
forward
for
these
these
future
businesses.
That's
probably
something
we
want
to
encourage
in
terms
of
the
frontage
mixed
use
and
as
Mr
power
says,
could
be
anything
from
offices
to
businesses
to
restaurants
or
whatever.
B
That
should
be
an
option.
I
believe
we
shouldn't
mandatory
that
because
that
may
preclude
Future
Self
Storage,
and
that
is
an
item
that's
needed
in
our
in
our
community.
I
would
highly
encourage
all
Future
Self
Storage
to
follow
the
mini
Mansions
model,
because
that
creates
a
community
benefit
to
them
and
also
activates
their
front
to
some
some
respects
as
far
as
the
having
a
caretaker
on
scene
as
long
as
the
security,
so
the
security
arrangements
are
such
that
the
police
department
approves
it.
B
I
would
say
that
that's
something
that
we
should
go
for
either
either
or
would
be
fine
as
long
as
the
police
are
happy
with
the
security
arrangements.
For
that.
B
So
I
think
we
do
have
a
a
motion
on
the
floor
with
a
friendly,
Amendment
Mr
Adam.
Are
you
going
to
accept
the
friendly
Amendment
Tay.
B
G
G
F
And
mayor
Engler,
yes
and
mayor
that
motion
carries
5-0
and
I
do
have
an
ordinance
title
to
read
into
the
record.
It's
an
ordinance
amending
that
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan
sp20
and
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
by
adding
section
9-4.2528
and
article
25
to
Title
IX
chapter
4.
amending
section
9-4.202
and
Article
2
to
Title
9,
chapter
4,
amending
sections
9-4.2105
and
9-4.2106,
and
article
22
to
Title
IX,
chapter
4
and
amending
section
9-4.2402
and
article
24
to
Title
IX
chapter
4.
F
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
E
E
E
E
B
Let's
call
the
meeting
back
to
order
if
I
can
get
my
Council
member's
attention,
we'll
go
back
to
our
next
item
our
next.
Our
next
item
has
to
do
with
our
building
standards
and
code,
and
if
you
can
open
the
session,
miss
Rodriguez.
F
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8B,
2022,
California,
building
standards
code
with
local
amendments,
MCA
2022-70456
speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
and
Community
residence
for
the
record.
Four
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council's
standards,
speakers
will
have
five
minutes.
B
Thank
you
so
much
and
we
do
have
presenting
tonight
Mr
Jessica
danda,
to
present
the
program
and
also
available
for
questions
as
Calvin
Parker.
Again,
please
go
ahead.
N
J
You
for
clarifying
that
good
evening,
members
mayor
members
of
the
city
council.
This
is
Jesse
Deanda
I'm,
your
State
Building
official
here
to
present
to
you,
the
California
building
standards
code,
a
pretty
routine
process
that
is
occurring
every
three
years.
What
the
building
code
is
is
essentially
California
style,
24,
California,
code
of
regulations.
It
is
adopted
every
three
years
and
every
year
we
do
receive
annual
updates
from
the
states
associated
with
major
emergency
upgrades
clarifications
or
requirements.
J
Title
24
does
include
12
California
code
books
that
are
presented
to
you
today
for
adoption
of
recommendation
a
little
bit
about
the
process.
Just
to
be
clear,
it
is
a
process
that
is
pretty
lengthy
in
nature.
It
is
a
co-development
process
that
is
established
at
International
level.
It
is
taken
and
adopted
locally
at
the
California
state
department
level
and
ultimately
codified
for
the
implementation
of
codes.
July
1st
of
2022..
J
We
have
six
months
as
a
city
to
adopt
or
and
make
local
amendments
to
maintain
Thousand
Oaks
requirements
effective
by
January
1st
of
2023.
in
reality
that
six
month
period
leaves
us
with
about
three
to
four
months
of
review,
understanding
and
modifications
which
are
being
presented
to
you
today
through
ordinance.
J
These
amendments
must
be
based
on
special
local
conditions
that
are
climatic,
geocologic
and
topography
type
statuses,
and
that
will
be
explained
in
the
near
future
here.
These
findings
for
local
amendments
are
contained
in
the
Preamble
of
the
draft
ordinance,
and
that
is
identifying
the
reasons
for
the
local
needs
to
change,
and
they
include
climatically
the
requirement
to
address
and
mitigate
the
Santa
Ana
winds
as
it
relates
to
fire,
spread
and
con
of
proper
fire
conditions.
That
will
definitely
be
a
hazard
for
our
city
to
defend
against
the
topography.
J
The
fact
that
we
are
surrounded
by
hillsides
in
nature
identifies
water
drainage
issues
for
100,
storms,
major
flooding,
events
and
things
of
that
nature,
which
we
also
take
into
consideration
and
carry
those
local
amendments
forward
and,
lastly,
the
element
of
California.
We
are
in
an
earthquake
zone,
City,
Thousand,
Oaks
and
also
specifically
to
Thousand
Oaks.
We
do
have
expensive
soils
that
are
very
common
in
the
area
and
we
have
structural
amendments
associated
with
Provisions
to
defend
against
those
hazards,
so
they
hit
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
in
in
the
future.
J
The
objective
is
to
take
these
states,
update
them
and
change
the
requirements.
You'll
see
that
the
2022
California
codes
by
default
have
many
new
fire
resistive
requirements
that
are
implemented,
they're,
essentially
addressing
fire
treatment,
materials,
identifying
non-combustible
requirements,
preventing
abilities
from
burning
further,
especially
in
Wildfire
season,
and,
ultimately,
to
adopt
the
comply
requirements
regardless
of
the
code
standards.
The
objective
here
is
to
ensure
that
all
buildings
meet
the
minimum
safety
standards
of
the
state
and
those
local
amendments
established
within
the
hazard
conditions
of
Thousand
Oaks.
J
The
state
also
did
identify
and
clarify
the
ability
for
folks
to
understand
and
use
the
building
area,
height
limitations
based
on
the
fire
materials
that
are
being
proposed
and
the
high
criteria
established
for
proper
egressing
of
such
buildings
should
they
be
proposed.
Building
existing
requirements
are
clarified
in
general
through
all
books
that
were
mentioned
in
the
previous
slides,
and
there
are
far
too
many
to
mention
today.
J
One
of
the
highlights
that
I
would
like
to
bring
to
attention
is
the
California
updates
to
the
energy
criteria
and
energy
requirements.
The
energy
code
established
a
new
multi-family
residential
standard
previously,
originally
in
current
standards,
there
is
a
residential
and
there's
a
residential,
slash
commercial
use
for
what
we
call
high-rise
residential
in
2022.
There
are
specific
provisions
and
chapter
dedicated
to
multi-families
that
would
include
Condominiums
apartments
and
mixed-use
properties.
J
Also,
the
code
now
identifies
mandatory
all
electric
ready
buildings
for
new
construction.
It
establishes
new
energy
storage
systems,
which
is
your
battery
backup
of
energy
systems
as
requirements.
It
increases
indoor
air
quality
requirements
and
ultimately
also
requires
electric
vehicle,
Readiness
and
electric
vehicle
installation
on
certain
projects.
J
How
does
this
affect
the
homes
and
our
businesses
as
these
energy
code
ramp
up
and
they
become
more
stringent
based
on
state
minimums?
They
simply
start
establishing
energy
budgets.
The
contractors
developers
property
owners
have
the
ability
to
modify
their
designs
to
stay
within
a
energy
budget
to
ensure
that
they're
not
exceeding
energy
requirements
based
on
the
design
being
proposed
for
development.
J
J
It
does
increase
kitchen
ventilation
requirements
to
ensure
that
there
is
proper
ventilation
within
the
air
home
with
the
home
of
the
air
to
ensure
that
it's
better
quality
overall
and
ultimately,
what
we
have
learned
based
off
requiring
PV
photovoltaics
panels
as
a
requirement
in
2019.
The
energy
commission
and
state
realized
that
there
was
an
exception
to
be
made
for
small
amounts
of
PV
that
were
required
by
the
code
due
to
the
cost
prohibitedness
of
installing
large
equipment
for
a
small
panel
to
any
generation,
and
so
they
pulled
and
created
an
exception
for
that
category.
J
For
single-family
residential
on
the
businesses
side,
we're
establishing
combined
solar,
PV
and
battery
battery
standards.
This
is
going
to
be
key
to
Future
Energy
standard
requirements
at
the
energy
code
is,
and
the
energy
commission
at
the
state
level,
is
moving
towards
to
comply
with
the
various
state
laws,
assemblies
and
incentive
bills
that
are
chartering
us
towards
a
more
energy
efficient
California.
J
It
also
establishes
the
energy
standards
for
commercial
greenhouse
gases
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
another
version
and
another
element
associated
with
indoor
air
quality,
but
also
using
less
chemicals
and
things
a
little
bit
more
natural
within
the
actual
commercial
materials
for
construction.
J
Lastly,
it
improves
the
efficiency
standards
for
building
envelopes,
which
really
is
again
identifies
the
ability
for
folks
to
design
buildings
in
different
ways
to
still
achieve
design
criteria
that
they're
interested
in
while
not
losing
the
Energy
Efficiency
required.
So
if
they
choose
to
install
something
that
is
less
energy
efficient,
the
objective
is
that
the
budget
will
be
offset
in
other
areas
of
the
building
materials.
J
The
main
local
amendments
that
you're,
seeing
with
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
changing
the
California
minimum
standards,
is
to
maintain
previous
local
amendments,
we're
bringing
those
forward
and
where
the
state
code
has
met
the
threshold
and
the
requirements
of
Thousand
Oaks.
Those
were
items
were
limited,
but
they
are
equivalent
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
incorporate
existing
requirements
into
new
technologies.
J
Solar
panels
will
be
explained
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
here
as
a
main
component
of
what
the
local
amendment
process
has
been
over
the
last
couple
of
months
that
I
we
were
working
on
developing
the
origins
proposed
here
for
you
today
it
does
incorporate
and
bring
into
the
energy
housing
and
Tiny
home
Provisions
that
need
to
be
established
as
new
minimum
standards
should
those
be
proposed
within
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
in
clarifying
the
local
amendments.
This
is
a
perfect
example
where
we
had
in
2019.
J
We
actually
had
a
Class
A
fire
rating
requirement
of
all
roofs.
It's
the
highest
fire
rating
requirement,
obviously
due
to
the
fire
hazards
that
we
had
that
come
through
the
city
in
previous
histories
of
years.
Now,
because
the
new
technology,
solar
panels,
we
are
incorporating
that
same
class,
a
high
fire
rating
requirement
into
the
Plastics
and
metals
of
panels.
It
does
not
increase
panel
costs
of
insulation.
The
construction
industry
has
already
maintained
and
does
provide
Class
A
panels,
as
it
is
today
as
a
competitive
price.
J
B
Thank
you
so
much
good
job
for
having
hit
up
a
practitioner
of
codes
in
my
prior
life
codes
codes
are
very
complex
and
very
very
necessary,
though
I
used
to
tell
my
my
students
when
I
was
teaching
this
class
at
a
city
college
behind
every
code
is
usually
some
type
of
bad
thing.
That
happened.
Fatality
fires,
those
types
of
things
and
I
appreciate
what
you've
done
as
as
going
through
these
codes,
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
most
up-to-date
and
and
and
applicable
codes
we
can
have.
M
J
There's
a
variety
of
reach
codes
out
there
at
the
moment,
first
and
foremost,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
timeline
that
we
have
to
adopt
minoan
State
codes
and
maintain
the
local
amendments,
the
staff
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
for
us
to
make
decisions
on
the
electrification
and
or
any
other
reach
code
option
that
is
out
there
to
establish
sustainability
within
the
state
of
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks.
Ultimately,
we
will
be
looking
at
this.
J
This
is
not
the
one
and
only
chance
it
will
be
something
that
we
are
addressing
through
our
general
Plano
amendments
and
the
climate
action
hearing
process.
The
climate
action
plan
process
to
establish
this
in
a
more
holistic
process
of
establishing
not
only
the
electrification
possibilities
but
possibilities
for
additional
envelope
opportunities
to
make
very
good
insulated
homes
and
buildings.
M
O
Q
Please
so
yeah
thank
you
for
these
questions
and
certainly
very
relevant
as
Mr
Deanda
and
Mr
Parker
pointed
out.
These
will
be
policy
decisions
that
will
come
with
the
general
plan,
but
very
specifically
with
the
climate
and
environmental
action
plan
and,
as
you
know,
we're
working
on
both
those
plans
in
parallel
they're
in
the
draft
stage
and
then
they'll
go
through
the
environment.
Environmental
review
so
in
the
first
six
months
of
next
year
is
when
we
expect
to
be
bringing
those
drafts
to
council
and
we'll
be
doing
stakeholder
review.
Q
Output
will
be
inviting
the
community
to
you
know,
have
input
on
those
different
measures.
So,
although
this
would
be
an
opportunity
to
do,
perhaps
you
know
one
of
those
reach
codes.
We
certainly
would
not
have
time
to
do
that
as
a
comprehensive
package,
and
it's
just
better
addressed
when
we
have
a
chance
to
do
the
modeling
of
all
the
different
reach
code
options
together
and
present
that
as
a
package
to
the
council.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
any
other
questions
for
my
colleagues
very
good
yeah.
That
was
going
to
be
my
question.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
up
miss
bildo
the
penny.
If
this
is
the
proper
time
to
address
any
reach
codes,
I
understand
that
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
looking
at
those
right
now
will
I
guess.
My
question
now
is:
even
with
these
new
electric
codes
and
the
green
code,
does
that
bring
us
closer
to
the
state
goal
of
Net
Zero
in
45.
J
Yes,
it
does,
and
the
pattern
historically
has
been
from
the
energy
commission
to
start
identify
the
Readiness
and
ultimately
create
the
requirements
in
later
versions
of
the
code.
Please
be
clear
in
understanding
that
this
can
be
done
now.
If
somebody
decides
to
propose
it,
we're
just
not
mandating
it
to
be
a
uniform
across
the
entire
city
as
a
minimum
requirement
for.
B
B
R
My
name
is
Clint
fultz
I'm,
a
resident
of
Thousand
Oaks
and
a
member
of
the
canal
Climate
Coalition.
We
would
have
liked
to
see
an
amendment
to
the
2022
California
building
code
cycle
adoptions
that
to
include
all
electric
construction
and
new
buildings,
I
appreciate,
Dr,
Cox,
City
staff
and
Council.
Commenting
on
this.
Given
the
severity
of
the
climate
crisis,
we
need
to
reduce
pollution
as
quickly
as
possible
on
construction
of
new
buildings
with
gas
infrastructure
won't
help
us
meet
our
climate
goals.
R
Additionally,
the
California
energy
commission
shows
that
all
electric
buildings
across
nearly
all
types
of
construction
cost
less
than
mixed
fuel
buildings.
I
would
hope
that
the
city
could
and
will
allocate
more
resources
to
the
sustainability
division
to
help
make
all
electric
construction
in
new
buildings
a
reality.
R
Given
the
severity
of
our
drought,
I
can
only
imagine
the
sustainability
division
has
put
most
of
its
resources
into
managing
our
water
situation,
but
I
truly
appreciate
the
work
that
they
are
doing
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
water
and
meet
our
needs,
but
I'm
really
hoping
that
the
city
can
make
all
electric
construction
and
new
buildings
a
priority
and
put
more
funding
and
resources
into
making
that
happen.
The
you
know,
the
climate
crisis
is
a
threat
to
every
resident
in
Thousand
Oaks.
R
S
Hi
good
evening,
honorable
mayor
and
City
Council,
Members
I
really
appreciate
your
time
tonight
and
the
conversation
that
just
happened
with
the
staff
about
electrification.
It
sounds
like
this
is
a
priority
for
everyone
and
I'm
I'm
really
excited
to
hear
that
I
still
would
like
to
say
a
few
words
though
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Conejo
Climate
Coalition
and
a
resident
of
Thousand
Oaks,
because
I
care
about
gas
pollution
and
I
care
about
the
climate
crisis
and
I
care
about
our
buildings
and
how
they
get
built.
S
So
I
understand
that
buildings
may
be
a
focus
of
the
climate
and
environmental
action
plan,
but
I
do
think
that
an
opportunity
is
really
being
missed
here
to
not
address
greenhouse
gas
pollution
from
new
buildings.
By
amending
our
building
codes.
Now
we
can't
afford
to
wait
and
putting
it
in
the
C
app
that
that's
still
a
couple
more
years
potentially
because
you
know
putting
into
the
CF
is
still
actually
has
to
be
passed
as
an
ordinance
so
drafting
it
putting
it
in
a
document.
It
still
then
has
to
be
passed.
S
So
this
just
takes
more
to
time.
Every
new
building
that
gets
approved
now
with
gas
infrastructure
locks
in
greenhouse
gas
pollution
for
decades
and
contributes
to
even
more
costly
retrofits
down
the
road.
The
recently
approved
to
Ranch
and
Baxter
projects
proved
not
only
that
all
electric
more
sustainable
projects
with
affordable
units
pencil
out,
but
that
the
people
of
Thousand
Oaks
actually
want
these
types
of
projects
built
here.
One
easier
way
to
do
this
administratively
would
be
with
a
public
health
and
safety
ordinance,
similar
to
what
Santa,
Barbara
County
has
done.
This
wouldn't
require
CEC
approval.
S
It
wouldn't
have
to
be
changed
and
altered
every
three
years
and
can
be
adopted
at
any
time.
This
is
low
hanging
fruit
on
addressing
climate
pollution,
even
if
it's
a
smaller
fraction
of
our
emissions
than
older
homes
or
Transportation.
Why
would
we
wait
on
this?
It's
just
a
no-brainer.
We
ask
that
you
put
your
money
where
your
priorities
are
and
invest
in
environmental
sustainability,
which
is
a
council
priority
number
six.
If
your
staff
doesn't
have
the
resources
they
need
to
commit
to
doing
this
now,
then
the
city
should
reinvest
more
in
their
priorities.
S
Thank
you
mayor,
angler
and
good
evening.
Council
members
I
also
want
to
comment
on
the
possibility
of
putting
all
electric
ordinance
and
from
a
public
and
health
safety
standpoint.
Thousand
Oaks
has
an
opportunity
to
introduce
a
health
and
safety
ordinance
to
reduce
cancer,
causing
emissions
by
adopting
an
all-electric
building
code
for
new
construction.
Last
week's
study
by
PSC
healthy
energy
found
that
natural
gas
stoves
and
ovens
can
leak
harmful
chemicals,
even
when
they're
not
in
use.
S
S
Researcher
Eric
LaBelle
states
that
emissions
from
a
gas
stove,
even
when
off,
can
produce
advancing
levels
that
are
equivalent
to
living
with
a
smoker.
A
simple
solution
is
to
replace
gas
stoves
with
an
electric
one.
Roughly
50
municipalities
within
California
have
banned
or
discouraged
the
installation
of
gas
stoves
and
new
construction.
S
The
goal
of
8B
is
to
bring
our
code
into
compliance
with
the
California
State
Building
Code,
and
the
essential
purpose
of
the
California
state
billing
code
is
to
protect
and
promote
Public,
Health
safety
and
Welfare
through
building
construction
standards.
We're
asking
the
Thousand
Oaks
staff
and
city
council
to
protect
our
health
and
safety
and
add
an
ordinance
that
will
eliminate
the
risk
of
natural
gas
by
going
all
electric
and
new
construction.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
J
Thank
you
mayor.
As
we
understood
and
heard
the
electrification
element
of
new
abilities
is
definitely
from
most
of
mine
here
and
no
doubt
this
is
what
has
just
been
addressed
and
discussed.
We
are
looking
at
this
entirely
just
because
today,
the
electrification
or
any
other
reach
code
becomes.
Our
way
is
not
on
the
ordinance
before
you
doesn't
mean
that
we
cannot
take
that
opportunity
when
we
better
understand
and
research.
J
What
is
the
appropriate
way
for
Thousand
Oaks
to
be
able
to
protect
further
the
safety
building
codes
already
include
minimalized
safety
you're,
seeing
that,
as
was
very
clarified
through
even
the
indoor
air
quality
increases
through
the
energy
requirements
as
minimums.
So
we,
the
state,
has
provided
that
to
us
we're
continuing
to
modify
that.
We
will
continue
to
review
these
and
ultimately
come
back
with
a
better
comprehensive
package
at
the
discretion
of
council
direction.
Of
course,
public
input,
the
ultimate
element
of
eliminating
or
creating
some
additional
funding
for
sustainability
I.
J
Do
that
to
council
to
make
Direction
ultimately
again
speak
to
that,
but
during
this
ordinance,
but
nevertheless,
I
will
say
that
we
definitely
have
Santa
Barbara
as
an
example
and
other
many
jurisdictions
that
have
passed
this.
It's
just
a
matter
of
understanding.
What's
the
proper
policy
and
the
proper
way
to
do
this,
if
it
goes
through
the
building
standard
process
understand.
J
Electrification
is
a
great
solution,
but
I
also
recommend
that
it's
not
the
only
solution
and
folks
may
decide
to
achieve
reach
requirements
in
other
means,
and
I
would
like
to
make
that
available
to
them
as
a
general
policy,
with
course,
Council
correction
and
guidance
I
think
that's
all
I
have
responding
to
those
comments
at
the
moment.
So
thank
you.
Any
other
questions.
M
Thank
you.
We
we
saw.
We
heard
that
this
is
sort
of
the
the
low-hanging
fruit
tonight
and
other
municipalities
or
jurisdictions
have
passed.
This
I
know
that
the
sustainability
Department
was
inundated
with
the
transition
from
Waste
Management
to
Athens,
and
so
our
climate
environmental
action
plan
took
a
back
seat.
We've
been
at
this
for
at
least
two
years,
and
if
we
need
to
add
more
resources,
that
would
be
great
but
I.
This
is
so
pressing
because
we've
tried
to
pass
this
plan
or
have
a
draft
already.
M
E
But
certainly
and
I'll
have
Dr
crops
step
down
as
well.
To
add
a
finer
point
on
my
comments.
I
think
it's
important
sequentially
to
remind
the
council
how
all
these
pieces
fit
together
right.
So
this
is
flowing
in
through
our
general
plan
process.
The
council
established
a
land
use
map
that
land
use
map
is
going
through
an
environmental
review
that
environmental
review
and
the
land
use
map
associated
with
that
creates
a
circulation
plan.
That
circulation
plan
drives
greenhouse
gas
recommendations.
E
All
these
things
are
interconnected
and
so,
from
a
timing
perspective,
it's
not
about
baxi
because
of
of
the
waste
Toler
agreement
or
anything,
it's
sequentially
that
going
through
that
process
of
evaluating
the
environmental
and
then
working
through,
because
the
single
largest
driver
of
greenhouse
gases
that
land
use
is
that
land
use
helmet,
and
so
that's
a
key
component.
Dr
Cox
will
much
more
eloquently
speak
to
that,
but
that
and
and
these
are
very
important
policy
considerations
of
the
part
of
the
council.
C
E
I
think
being
presented
as
a
package
through
stakeholder
Engagement
review
is
what's
important
from
from
our
perspective,
so
that
we're
providing
you
well-rounded
suggestions
and
the
council
can
certainly
at
that
point
weigh
in
on
on
where
they
want
to
go
in
a
whole
range
of
potential
areas.
Dr
Cox.
Can
you
add
to
that.
Q
Yes,
certainly
so,
as
you
know,
we
have
already
embarked
on
that
climate
planning
process
and
held
several
stakeholder
meetings.
We
still
have.
We
have
been
using
the
that
input.
You
know
to
help
us
draft
our
policies,
so
that
input
has
been
very
important.
We
continue
to
do
that,
particularly
with
all
the
public
community.
Events
that
we
hold
I
would
say
that
there
have
been
some
shifts
in
the
way
that
some
of
these
reach
codes,
particularly
the
electrification
code,
has
been
adopted.
Q
So
there
have
been
sort
of
some
advantages
in
us
not
moving
forward
too
quickly,
because
we've
gained
from
the
experience
of
what
some
of
the
other
parts
of
the
other
jurisdictions
have
taken
so
yeah
and-
and
the
other
thing
is
that
with
the
new
code,
so
all
the
buildings,
all
buildings,
residential
multi-family
commercial-
they
all
have
to
be
electric
ready
now.
Q
So
when
you
think
about
it
from
a
cost
perspective,
if
you're
building
a
new
building
and
having
to
put
in
the
electrical
wiring
and
everything
else
to
make
it
ready
for
electric
appliances,
then
it's
it's
more
cost
effective.
Just
to
put.
A
Q
Electric
appliances,
at
that
point,
you
wouldn't
wire
it
for
to
be
electric
ready
and
then
put
in
gas,
so
we
are
benefiting
from
that
change
in
the
code
and
also,
as
was
mentioned,
many
of
these
new
electric
retrofit
or
the
electric
Alternatives.
The
heat
pumps,
for
example,
for
water
heating
and
for
air
conditioning
are
more
cost
effective.
So,
as
you've
seen
in
our
newest
developments
moving
forward,
those
larger
multi-family
projects
have
chosen
that
route
themselves.
Q
So
it's
not
that
sort
of
always
lost
and
these
opportunities
have
gone
and
and
it's
wasted,
because
that's
the
path
that
most
of
the
developers
are
choosing
and
probably
will
continue
to
not
to
you
know
not
to
try
to
delay
any
decisions.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
take
into
account
the
whole
breadth
of
knowledge,
the
stakeholder
input
and
everything
else.
When
we
do
make
these
policy
decisions.
B
And
I
just
wanted
to
just
add
on
something
there:
I
don't
want
to
minimize
the
the
effect
toward
the
climate
that
we've
done
with
our
transition
to
a
new
new
waste
hauler
one
of
the
primary
purposes
behind
that
transition
was
the
implementation
of
baby
1383,
which
specifically
tries
to
capture
methane
production
out
of
landfills.
That
is
something
that
I
think
was
well
intended
on
your
part
and,
and
we
had
a
great
we're,
having
a
reduction
of
greenhouse
gases
because
of
that
so
I
think
I
don't
want
to
minimize
what
you've
done
before.
B
N
N
Sixty
percent
of
greenhouse
gases
is
caused
by
vehicle
miles,
traveled
and
I'm,
not
trying
to
downplay
the
you
know
the
benefits
of
electrification,
but
the
vast
amount
of
it
is
by
vehicle
miles
traveled.
So
we
need
housing
concentrated
in
places
where
people
can
ditch
the
cars
and
get
out
and
start
walking
that
that
is
a
the
ultimate
care
so
to
disavow
housing
on
the
boulevard,
for
whatever
particular
reason
is
just
not
acknowledging
the
climate
challenges
that
we
face
and
you
take
the
299
project.
N
That's
just
about
done
that
new
retail
grocery
store
is
half
a
block
away.
The
Jan's
mall
is
two
blocks
away:
tarantula
Hills
right
across
the
street,
I'm
hoping
that
we
start
to
see
people
out
walking
around
and
the
cars
are
left
behind
and
that's
that's
that's
a
big
portion
of
how
to
get
rid
of
greenhouse
gases.
D
I
can
understand
your
propensity
for
that.
I
I
would
frankly,
prefer
the
large
malls
that
a
lot
of
shops
are
closed
in
now,
like
herbs
and
arbolus.
Wouldn't
that
be
a
desirable
place
for
housing.
Those
people.
D
D
N
D
Would
yeah
and
the
Oaks
Mall
and
I
I
would
have
hoped
that
the
Jans
people
would
have
come
to
us
with
the
housing
first
and
then
maybe
the
hotel
later
I
think
they
might
have
done
it
in
reverse
order,
but
yeah
I
think
housing
near
Commercial
is
excellent.
I
I'm
not
excited
about
Thousand
Oaks,
Boulevard
I've.
B
D
B
M
I
will
go
ahead
and
move
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
acknowledgment
that
I
am
so
glad
that
staff
was
able
to
negotiate
development
agreements
with
two
out
of
three
most
recent
developments
that
were
willing
to
go
the
extra
mile
and
do
electrification
and
did
what
was
asked
to
do
and,
and
that
is
to
their
credit.
I
hope
that
future
developments
will
be
managed
or
handled
the
same
way
until
we
do
have
an
electrification
code
or
reach
code
in
in
place.
N
H
B
Good
good
eat
that
very
good
we're
going
on
to
our
next
topic
tonight.
This
is
a
some
Department
reports
having
to
do
with
one
of
our
many
mansions
properties
in
town
Madam
clerk.
Do
you
need
to
make
any
announcements
very
good?
It's
just
a
department
report,
I'm
happy
to
say
that
Lynn
oshida.
He
is
here
to
present
to
us
tonight
and
thank
you
and
please
go
ahead.
T
T
T
This
slide
shows
the
2005
former
RDA
assistance
of
5.2
million
dollars
at
Bella
Vista
in
2019.
Many
mansions
were
seeking
to
bring
in
new
Bond
financing
to
Bella
Vista.
At
that
time,
the
city
adopted
two
resolutions
to
approve
the
2019
refinance
plan.
Due
to
regulatory
constraints.
The
refinance
plan
was
canceled
in
2020.
T
T
T
T
N
Do
I
think
maybe
this
might
be
for
Jamie
it's
on
a
financial
side
here,
I
I
mean
I,
get
the
what's
going
on
here.
That
many
mansions
wants
to
repay
the
4
million
and
then
take
out
a
new
loan
and
then
use
the
difference
to
rehab
Bella
Vista
I
get
it
that's
good
because
it
needs
it,
but
that
just
two
things:
why
would
we
forgive
this
grant
when
they
don't
they
don't
always?
But
what
it
is
is
our
insurance
policy
that
it
will
stay,
affordable,
correct.
A
I
believe
the
units,
even
without
the
grant,
are
required
to
stay
affordable.
It
was
always
assumed
that
this
grant
would
be
forgiven,
we're
just
doing
it
earlier,
but
even
without
this
Grant
on
there
they
are
still
income
restricted
throughout
through
2060.,
so
that
that
wouldn't
affect
that
at
all.
N
Q
Applicant
has
said
no
good.
A
Existing
financing,
what
is
it
one
less
encumbrance
upon
the.
H
T
Would
also
require
you
know
the
city
to
continue
to
monitor
this
loan,
and
so
it
was
part
of
the
1998
tax
exempt
Bond
and
that
bond
has
already
exhausted,
and
so
we
just
thought
that
this
might
have
been
an
opportunity
to
just
forgive
this
one,
one
million
loan,
because
we
still
have
you
know
existing
loans
with
the
RDA
with
the
2.5
housing
CSI
loan
and
the
1.6
count
Alpha
loan.
That's
part
of
the
RDA
loan.
N
Okay,
well,
that's
where
I
brought
up
the
current
environment.
As
we
all
know,
interest
rates
have
gone
up
quite
a
bit,
but
I
mean
we
are
dealing
with
one
of
the
Premier
non-profits
in
the
city
that
provides
incredible
resources
for
us.
So,
okay,
scratch
that
question
I'm,
just
thinking
as
a
financial
guy,
anyway,
all
right,
I,
guess
the
it's
a
non-eventus,
forgive
forgivable
Grant,
as
long
as
we
know
that
it's
going
to
stay
affordable,
which
that's
been
your
track
record
for
eons
so
anyway,
thank
you.
M
B
It's
just
it's
just
a
department
report,
so
we
do
have
and
I
don't
see
him
online.
So
we
do
not
have
any
public
speakers
so
I
would
entertain
a
motion
or
any
discussion.
D
G
B
B
Good,
if
I
could
turn
it
over
now
to
Mr
Powers
for
updates.
E
Thanks
so
much
we'll
actually
be
back
here
again
next
week,
a
week
from
tonight
on
the
first
of
November,
we
will
be
opening
the
meeting
just
as
a
reminder
with
our
borderline
Citywide
day
of
remembrance
as
we're
transitioning
into
November
and
we'll
begin
remembrance.
At
that
meeting
we
have
two
public
hearings:
our
triannual
Public
Health
water
quality
report,
and
then
we
have
a
tephra
hearing
for
a
non-profit
business.
That's
looking
to
relocate
into
our
community.
E
We
have
two
departmental
reports,
one
the
update
on
our
Hillcrest
property
and
the
results
of
the
RFP
process
that
the
council
had
directed
earlier
this
year.
E
We
also
have
we'll
have
an
update
on
our
inclusionary
housing
and
linkage
fee
feasibility
and
Nexus
study
for
discussion
by
the
council.
So
that
is
a
full
agenda
for
us
next
Tuesday
evening.
K
We
do
have
two
closed
sessions
tonight.
Both
of
them
are
conferences
with
legal
counsel,
on
existing
litigation
pursuant
to
get
my
code
section
549-56.98.
So
first
is
Scott
Murphy
versus
city
of
Thousand
Oaks.
The
second
is
Caitlin
Clint
versus
city
of
Thousand
Oaks,
and
it
is
not
likely
I'll
have
anything
to
report.
B
We
are
in
the
in
the
throes
of
a
political
campaigns
right
now
and
I
want
to
urge
everybody
to
remember,
to
give
everybody
a
little
bit
of
Grace
we.
This
is
a
time
that
we
all
need
to
concentrate
on
being
civil
to
one
another
and
I
encourage
us
all
to
keep
on
that
track.