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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - October 11, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 10/11/22
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Very
good,
we
do
have
one
item,
that's
going
to
be
continued
I
believe
we
have
a
close.
We
had
a
closed
session
for
later
on
this
evening.
That
has
been
pulled
at
the
request
of
the
City
attorney
foreign.
So
at
this
time
we
do
have
a
special
presentation.
So
I
would
like
to
call
down
to
the
to
the
diocese
down
here:
district
attorney,
Eric
nassarenko
and
our
own
former
council
member
assembly,
member
Jackie
Irwin.
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D
Off
to
a
good
start
so
far,
so
it
is
really
great
to
be
back
in
the
chamber
and
I
am
particularly
pleased
to
join
in
tonight
to
recognize
the
public
service
servant
who
has
gone
above
and
beyond
in
her
service
to
Ventura
County
residents.
She's,
not
only
getting
two
recognitions
from
the
state,
but
she's
going
to
be
getting
a
recognition
from
the
city.
Also
senior
Deputy
district
attorney,
Karen
Wald
has
been
named.
D
The
2021
Wildlife
prosecutor
of
the
Year
by
the
California
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife,
and
by
the
California
Department
of
Fish
and
Game
Karen,
is
currently
assigned
to
the
consumer
and
Environmental
Protection
unit
of
the
Ventura
County
District
Attorney's
office,
where
she
is
responsible
for
protecting
the
public
and
our
environment
from
harm.
She
has
been
a
valuable
partner
and
trusted
resource
for
Wildlife
officers
by
Leading
the
effort
to
hold
poaching
and
pollution
violators
accountable.
D
Over
the
last
seven
years,
Karen
has
been
involved
in
the
prosecution
of
violators
for
a
variety
of
crimes
in
2016
Karen,
successfully
prosecuted
a
civil
case
involving
an
oil
spill
in
Ventura
County's
Hall
Canyon.
The
prosecution
resulted
in
a
settlement
of
nearly
1.6
million
dollars
in
penalties,
costs
and
natural
resource
damage.
Restitution
in
July
of
2019
Karen,
successfully
prosecuted
an
individual
who
wantonly
killed
a
wild,
a
mountain
lion
that
was
collared
and
being
monitored
and
studied
by
Wildlife
officials.
D
This
conviction
resulted
in
jail
time,
probation
and
significant
community
service
Karen's,
most
recent
notable
prosecution
involved,
a
commercial
squid
fish
fishing
vessel
that
illegally
dumped
its
excess
us
tank
water
known
as
stick
water.
This
water
creates
an
oxygen
deficient
environment
and
increased
amounts
of
lethal
ammonia,
both
of
which
are
harmful
to
Aquatic
Life
While,
most
of
us
think
of
criminals
prosecuted
for
the
more
visible
crimes
involving
human
victims.
Karen's
work
is
equally
important
as
she
protects
our
fragile
environment
and
defenseless
Wildlife.
B
My
turn
Karen
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
everything.
You've
done
for
our
city
so
far,
and
thanks
to
Jackie
for
those
kind
words
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Thousand,
Oaks
I'd
like
to
present
another
certificate
to
you
in
recognition
for
being
named
environmental
prosecutor
of
the
year,
as
well
as
your
work
here
in
Thousand,
Oaks
way
back
in
2019.
B
as
a
senior
Deputy
district
attorney
on
and
on
behalf
of
the
district
attorney,
you
took
a
major
civil
action
on
behalf
of
the
city
for
a
substandard
apartment,
with
living
conditions
that
were
substandard
in
the
apartment,
building
the
conditions
in
this
building
included
unsafe
building
codes,
insect
infestation
as
well
as
unfair
treatment
of
the
residents.
This
case
was
successfully
completed,
resulting
in
a
correction
of
the
violation
and
a
payment
of
significant
fines.
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Your
effort,
in
conjunction
with
the
city
staff,
resulted
in
better
living
conditions
for
the
hundreds
of
occupants
of
the
building,
many
of
which
are
of
lower
income
status.
The
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
thanks
you
for
your
tremendous
work
that
protects
people,
the
environment
and
Wildlife
here
in
Ventura,
County
and
the
state
of
California.
Thank
you.
B
A
Thank
you,
mayor,
angler
and
good
evening
to
the
Thousand
Oaks
city
council,
city
manager,
Powers,
you
have
in
front
of
you
a
rock
star.
This
is
a
senior
prosecutor
who
defends
our
environment.
We
are
blessed
in
Ventura
County
to
have
outstanding
natural
resources,
waterways,
Open,
Spaces
Wildlife,
but
it
doesn't
happen
by
accident.
Somebody
has
to
take
up
the
cause
of
environmental
action,
prosecute
those
who
pollute
and
harm
our
wildlife
and
our
environment,
and
that
is
senior
Deputy
district
attorney.
Karen
Wald
I
am
grateful
to
have
her
in
our
office.
A
She's
also
part
of
a
little
bit
of
a
Dream
Team.
Her
husband,
Tony
Wald,
is
also
a
senior
Deputy
district
attorney.
He
is
in
charge
of
our
public
Integrity
unit
and
also
we
are
fortunate
to
have
Karen's
parents
here
as
well
and
I
want
to
extend,
on
behalf
of
the
office
of
the
district
attorney
our
appreciation
for
your
recognition
of
this
outstanding
prosecutor.
Thank
you.
F
G
Council
members,
assemblywoman
Irwin
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
you.
I
live
in
Thousand
Oaks
I've
lived
here
since
January
of
2004.
I
have
three
children.
My
children
all
went
through
the
school
system
in
Thousand
Oaks.
My
husband
and
I
never
want
to
move
from
here.
I.
Thank
you
because
it's
the
wonderful
decision
making
that
has
taken
place
by
Council
that
has
taken
care
of
our
beautiful
city
and
you
protect
the
environment
and
not
very
many.
People
are
willing
to
step
up
and
say
that
the
environment
is
important.
G
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
wish
all
of
you
well
and
assemblywoman
Irwin
same
for
you.
You
have
done
amazing
things
for
our
County
and
you
continue
to
do
amazing
things
and
I
really
appreciate
that
and
you
too
protect
the
environment.
You
protect
the
public
and
thank
you.
Everybody
Tracy
Noonan
there.
You
are
I've
worked
with
Tracy
on
the
slumlord
case
and
you
are
very
kind
and
generous
by
not
using
the
word
slumlard,
but
I
can
and
I
love.
I
love
all
of
you.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
B
C
C
C
I
First
I
want
to
commend
all
of
you
for
your
efforts
with
project
room
key
in
order
to
house
our
already
homeless
in
our
city.
But
what
perplexes
me
is
how
you
were
able
to
find
federal
funds
to
accomplish
this
program
for
the
homeless,
but
can't
seem
to
help
the
senior
citizens
I
realize
you
have
previously
asked
the
mobile
home
park
Property
Owners,
if
they
would
consider
lowering
their
percentage
rate
with
no
resolution,
and
then
you
received
a
notice
from
their
attorneys
and
you
retreated
enough
about
what
has
happened.
I
I
In
addition,
you
could
investigate
the
Ventura
County's,
low,
Grant,
low
rent
grant
program
and
research,
the
federal
tenant-based
rental
assistance
program,
I'm
sure
there
are
many
more
assistant
programs
that
you
could
find
as
well.
Obtaining
These
funds
would
offset
the
percentage
difference
in
order
to
Aid
our
senior
residents
by
lowering
the
8.5
percent
increase
down
to
at
least
a
4.4
percent
increase.
I
I
I
want
to
be
very
clear:
Thompson,
Allen,
Corporation,
LLC
and
its
board.
Do
you
seem
not
to
care
about
their
many
elderly
tenants
who
will
become
homeless
due
to
their
huge
8.5
interest
increase
to
their
rent?
These
senior
residents
are
on
fixed
incomes,
have
health
conditions.
These
people
will
not
be
able
to
pay
their
rent
and
ultimately
be
out
on
the
streets
of
Thousand
Oaks.
I
I
What
I
have
proposed
here
tonight
is
doable
and
would
be
a
win-win-win
for
everyone.
The
property
owners
will
get
their
full
amount.
The
residents
will
pay
less
and
stay
in
their
mobile
homes
and
the
City
of
Thousand
Oaks,
and
this
Council
will
have
shown
that
they
have
some
heart
and
concern
for
our
senior
citizens
of
this
great
City.
So
please,
please,
stop
telling
us
what
we
can't
do
and
tell
us
what
we
can
do.
Thank
you.
J
Good
evening,
mayor
council
and
staff,
my
name
is
George
Rosenthal
I
live
in
vento
Estates.
The
council
and
mayor
did
not
listen
to
anything.
Anyone
stated
at
three
Council
meetings.
They
took
nothing
to
heart
and
offered
only
callous
non-promises
and
excuses.
They
personally
did
zero
research
on
any
of
the
facts
offered
by
any
of
the
speakers.
They
offered
no
true
workable
options
to
solve
the
council's
problems
with
their
ordinance.
They
only
listened
to
staff
members
and
attorneys,
who
said
the
same:
tired
Mantra.
J
We
have
to
ask
the
park
owners
to
lower
the
rent
to
raise
five
percent.
They
said
no,
why
didn't
the
council
task
the
staff
and
attorneys
to
come
up
with
concrete
ideas
and
solve
the
problem
of
the
ordinance
is
causing?
We
found
a
number
of
ways.
This
issue
can
be
solved
as
per
the
talk
from
Peggy
Smith.
Why
are
senior
senior
homeowners
researching
and
looking
for
answers?
The
city
should
have
known
in
the
first
place,
councilman
Adams
stated
that
there
is
a
list
of
agencies
and
groups
who
would
subsidize
and
pay
rent.
J
This
is
the
list.
I
asked
the
mayor,
the
council
and
staff
in
writing.
For
a
list
of
every
available
agency
and
group
for
rent
assistance,
only
finance
director
bus
Camino
sent
the
resource
page,
the
resources
are
limited
and
only
a
Band-Aid
one
area,
the
pamphlet
says:
rent
none
of
the
agencies
in
the
pamphlet
have
any
assistance
for
rent.
None
of
the
agencies
give
rent.
In
fact,
Claire
at
Lutheran,
Social
Services
stated
that's
not
true.
There
is
no
group
that
has
any
rent
assistance.
J
The
agencies
listed
mainly
offer
help
for
the
homeless
showers
quarters
for
laundry
one
meal
a
week,
Outreach
programs.
There
are
food
banks,
but
they
give
a
limited
amount
of
food
with
very
few
choices.
Another
ridiculous
concept
brought
forward
by
a
speaker
last
council
meeting,
was
how
seniors
can
get
a
reverse
mortgage
to
get
money
to
pay
for
additional
rent,
and
no
one
should
worry.
The
problem
is,
he
was
wrong
and
councilman
Adams
and
McNamee
fell
for
it
without
knowing
the
true
facts.
J
To
get
a
reverse
mortgage
you're
a
manufactured
home,
not
mobile
home,
must
be
classified
and
taxed
as
real
estate
on
your
own
property
not
residing
in
a
mobile
home
park.
There
are
no
property
taxes
in
a
mobile
home
park;
they
do
not
own
the
property
they
pay
rent
on
the
ground,
the
Thousand
Oaks
Mobile,
ordinance,
525
states.
It
is
your
duty
to
protect
mobile
home
park
residents
from
excessive
rent.
Any
land
increase
is
a
permanent
increase
in
rent
that
doesn't
go
away.
J
J
B
G
Good
evening,
I'm
speaking
as
president
of
the
Thousand
Oaks
branch
of
the
American
Association
of
University
women
I
want
to
call
attention
to
a
horrible
racist
incident
recently
occurring
in
a
local,
fast
food
restaurant.
This
is
how
it
was
described
by
Our
member
Thousand,
Oaks
High
School
teacher
Sandra
Martinez,
when
you're
standing
in
line
waiting
for
your
order,
and
suddenly
a
teenager
says
here
on
the
wall.
There
should
be
a
sign
that
says
no
Mexicans
allowed
I
turned
around
and
stared
at
the
adult
with
him.
G
Who
then
did
speak
to
the
teen
I've
lived
and
worked
in
for
29
years
here
in
Thousand,
Oaks
and
I'm
still
not
accepted.
Let
me
repeat
her
comment.
I've
lived
and
worked
for
29
years
here
in
Thousand,
Oaks
and
I'm
still
not
accepted
a
little
about
the
lovely
woman
who
fell
victim
to
this
teen
slur.
Miss
Martinez
is
a
highly
respected
professional
educator
having
successful,
fully
taught
for
23
years
in
the
world
languages
department
at
both
Newberry
and
Thousand
Oaks
High
Schools,
even
though
she
now
lives
in
an
adjoining
City.
G
In
addition,
Miss
Martinez
sponsors
two
service
clubs
at
Thousand,
Oaks,
High
School,
which
help
many
students
perform
to
their
highest
abilities
in
2020
Miss
Martinez
received
both
the
teacher
of
the
month
and
Teacher
of
the
Year
Awards
AAUW
is
very
concerned
about
these
types
of
racist
comments
repeatedly
occurring
in
our
community.
We
believe
this
type
of
behavior
too
often
finds
a
safe
haven
in
our
area,
as
there
have
not
been
enough
visible,
concrete
actions
taken
by
our
city
leaders,
businesses
and
other
public
affiliate
officials
calling
for
a
reduction
in
hate
speech
speech.
G
Microaggressions,
like
this,
the
city,
council
and
or
the
city
council
needs
to
be
the
change
agent
to
lead
the
way
for
preventing
this
type
of
racism.
Please
be
the
leaders
that
we
know
you
are
to
be
AAUW
calls
upon
this
Council
to
make
immediate
action
regarding
the
many
microaggressions
which
unfortunately
occur,
and
we
ask
you
to
help
end
hate
speech.
Thank
you.
C
Madhu
hebbar
esteemed
Council,
mayor
and
other
council
members,
I
am
a
resident
of
Thousand
Oaks
for
17
years.
California
Assembly
concurrent
resolution
ac-209
passed
on
August
4th
designates
October
as
Hindu
American
awareness
and
appreciation
month.
October
has
been
proclaimed
by
many
states
and
cities
as
Hindu
Heritage
awareness
month
as
well.
Thousand
Oaks
is
home
to
good
number
of
Hindu
Americans,
most
of
whom
work
in
high-tech
companies.
I
have
two
requests
for
the
esteemed
Council
on
the
occasion
of
Hindu
American
awareness
month.
We
have
an
exhibition
in
this
coming:
Sundays
Thousand,
Oak,
Street
Fair.
C
This
goes
Way,
Beyond,
samosas
and
curries
I
invite
the
STM
council
members
and
General
Public
to
visit
our
booth
in
the
city
Fair
on
coming
Sunday
I
also
request
the
council
to
include
a
resolution
recognizing
October
as
Hindu
Awareness
Month
in
Thousand
Oaks
in
the
next
council
meeting.
This
follows
right
in
step
with
California
Assembly
concurrent
resolution
ac209.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Bruce
hudo
if
I've
addressed
the
council
before,
and
thank
you
for
having
me
again,
this
is
about
the
rent
control
I
live
at
ventu,
Park
Estates
in
Newbury,
Park
and
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
Miss
Smith
right
here.
Our
lead
person
who
gave
some
I
think
some
very
viable
options
that
may
help
the
consoles.
K
You
deal
with
this
issue
of
perhaps
getting
the
rate
lower
this
year,
which
may
not
be
likely,
or
at
least
in
the
future,
as
you
negotiate
further
I
did
want
to
just
clear
up
one
thing:
I
spent
my
entire
career
working
with
seniors
I
ran
retirement
communities,
very
large
ones,
akin
to
University
Village
here
in
Thousand
Oaks.
Never
that
one,
but
some
other
ones.
There's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
people,
perhaps
losing
their
their
homes.
If
these
rents
go
up
and
actually
there
are
two
other
options
these
people
have.
K
Besides
running
retirement
communities,
there
was
an
educator.
My
most
frequent
topic
was
senior
house
options
and
there
are
two
options:
people
have
available
number
one
is
federally
subsidized
HUD
projects.
There
are
three
that
I
could
find
here
in
Thousand
Oaks.
These
are
apartment
buildings
subsidized
by
the
government.
Their
rents
are
lower.
K
Everything
is
taken
care
of
by
the
management
in
terms
of
leaky,
faucets
and
water
heaters
that
go
out
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
The
grounds
are
kept
up.
The
hitch
is,
you
have
to
plan
usually
about
five
years
in
advance.
To
get
in
so
I
would
advise
people
that
are
having
issues
now
and
are
looking
ahead
of
possible
problems.
Put
your
application
into
these
places.
There
are
major
HUD
projects
throughout
Ventura
County,
Simi,
Valley,
Moore,
Park,
Camarillo
Etc.
K
There
is
one
on
Crescent
Drive
in
Beverly,
Hills
two
blocks
north
of
Wilshire
Boulevard
they're,
all
over
the
place.
Some
are
high
rise.
Some
are
lower.
Second
option
is
full
service
retirement
communities
run
by
not-for-profit
sponsors.
I
ran
one
for
20
years.
They
will
take
in
some
of
them
will
take
in
low-income
seniors,
usually
very
quickly
and
in
their
rental
agreements.
It
says
we
will
take
care
of
you
if
you
run
out
of
money
and
they
do
it
so
think
about
that
as
you
move
forward,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
K
A
F
M
Okay,
good
evening,
this
is
really
not
okay.
This
is
about
the
mobile
home
rent.
This
is
this
is
really
not
about
the
land
owners
increasing
their
rent.
This
is
a
contract
contracted
agreement
that
is
happening
now.
Unfortunately,
the
attorney
the
term
of
the
current
index
is
very
high,
so
this
is
where
the
city
should
probably
step
in
to
look
at
the
ordinance
again
so
at
the
bottom.
The
basic
question
really
is:
is
the
contract
trumping
the
ordinance
or
the
ordinance
Trump's
contract?
If
the
ordinance
cannot
do
anything
about
the
contract?
M
We're
just
wasting
our
time
and
I
just
should
be
home
watching
YouTube,
but
I.
Think
I
should
want
to
speak
up
a
little
bit
because
it
just
bothers
me.
It
doesn't
affect
me
because
I
I
might
just
move
in
here
two
two
months
ago,
so
the
ordinance
I
want
to
read
this
I'm
actually
confused
the
Ordinance
one
step
said
D.
This
is
a
5.2505
d
notice
of
index.
The
argument
right
now
is
an
index.
The
lead
owners
is
not
doing
anything
wrong.
They're,
not
they
don't
need
to
do
anything.
M
The
index
will
will
increase
rent
for
them,
because
that's
what
the
contract
is
all
about.
The
notice
of
index
after
review,
I
quote
after
review
of
pertinent
information
from
the
U.S
Bureau
of
Labor
Statistics.
The
community
development
director,
which
is
the
city
or
the
destiny,
shall
determine
the
index
for
each
year
and
notify
each
landlord
by
mail
of
his
or
her
determination.
Did
we
do
this
step?
Did
we
actually
did
the
city
review
this
8.5
and
say?
Okay,
we
agree.
A4
8.5
is
what
we
agree
or
is
it
too
low
or
it's
too
high?
M
We
all
ask
City
to
do
something
again.
If
the
ordinance
cannot
do
anything,
we
might
as
well
not
to
have
ordinance,
because
it
sounds
all
great.
Oh
yeah,
a
Thousand
Oaks
have
a
I'm
just
down
here
from
Seattle
yeah
thousand
dollars.
Mobile
home
has
a
rent
control.
How
can
you
control
something
where
there's
no
threshold?
If
you
don't
put
a
cap,
but
then
again,
your
position
is
really
tough,
because
even
if
you
do
put
a
cap,
the
land
owner
has
a
right
to
do
the
adjustable
rate
of
return
application.
M
B
N
Just
probably
just
briefly
I
saw
the
city
does
continue
to
be
a
convener
consistent
with
council's
goal
on
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
I
saw
Alexandra,
South,
step
out
and
catch
our
speaker,
and
so
we'll
certainly
be
certain
to
follow
up
with
him
regarding
some
recognition
there
in
relation
to
mobile
home
parks,
we've
had
a
number
of
speakers
on
that
topic.
Obviously
it's
been
something
the
council
has
discussed
in
the
previous
two
meetings.
N
One
speaker
did
mention
cdbg,
so
I
just
did
want
to
stress
and
we've
included
this
in
some
of
our
presentations.
We
do
leverage
CBG
and
in
the
over
the
course
of
the
last
couple
of
Cycles,
we've
used
cdbg
funds
for
Community
projects,
mobile
home
repairs,
it's
Capital
repairs
and
those
have
been
27
units
that
have
received
upgrades
in
excess
of
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Total
that's
been
spent
on
cdbg
funds,
consistent
with
what
we
shared
at
the
last
meeting.
We
did
provide
a
resource
list
that
one
of
the
speakers
did
mention.
N
That's
just
a
broad
brush
stroke
of
resources
available
in
those
resources.
There
are
rental
assistance
programs
granted,
they
all
have
income
requirements
and
other
pieces
and
those
those
types
of
programs
do
provide
rental
assistance
for
folks
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
or
near
homelessness
because
of
an
eviction.
That
concludes
my
comments.
O
This
building,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
I
I
did
receive
a
phone
call
from
a
lady
from
a
local
mobile
home
park
who
said
that
she
did
inquire
about
the
rent
assistance
that
had
been
mentioned
during
the
council
meeting,
but
that
she
was
told
and
I
forwarded
this
to
to
City
staff
to
be
looked
into.
She
was
told
that
this
rental
assistance
program
is
no
longer
available.
N
P
H
H
N
B
B
B
C
E
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
the
item
before
you
this
evening
to
find
the
municipal
code
Amendment
before
you
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act
and
to
amend
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
by
modifying
sections
9-4.202
and
9-4.2202,
and
adding
section
9-3.305
to
Title
IX
and
chapter
3,
article
3,
to
update
the
city
zoning
regulations
to
implement
2021
Senate
bill
number.
Nine.
E
on
May
24
2022
city
council
approved
a
resolution
initiating
this
request
and
on
September
26th,
the
Planning
Commission
held
a
public
hearing
to
review
the
proposed
ordinance
by
a
unanimous
vote.
They
have
recommended
the
city
council
adopt
the
ordinance
as
proposed
at
the
most
basic
level.
Sb9
allows
owners
of
a
property
within
a
single-family
residential
Zone
to
do
two
things.
One
build
two
Primary
Residential
units
per
lot
and
two
to
subdivide
a
lot
into
two
parcels.
E
This
is
what
the
end
goal
of
allowing
a
possible
maximum
of
four
dwelling
units
within
the
original
single
family
lot
boundaries
I'll
go
ahead
and
note
here
that,
since
the
law
went
into
effect
at
the
first
of
this
year,
and
the
city
therefore
began
accepting
applications
in
compliance
with
state
law,
there
have
been
approximately
30
inquiries
into
the
city's
sb9
implementation
and
application
process,
and
only
three
attempts
to
submit.
As
of
today,
only
one
complete
application
has
been
received.
E
In
addition
to
laying
out
the
type
of
development
now
allowed.
The
law
also
describes
the
eligibility
criteria,
process
and
level
of
review
allowed
and
how
jurisdictions
may
regulate
sb9
projects
through
objective
standards,
both
state
mandated
and
potentially
implemented
by
a
local
jurisdiction
and
I'll
go
through
each
part
of
this
law
and
and
everything
that
you
see
here
in
more
detail.
E
The
development
allowed
is
again
a
one-time
subdivision
of
an
existing
single-family
residential
parcel
into
two
Parcels.
What
is
being
called
an
urban
lot
split
and
two
homes
on
an
eligible
single-family
residential
parcel,
not
including
permissible
accessory
dwelling
units
or
adus.
What
we're
calling
a
two
unit,
Housing
Development,
Adu
and
Junior
adus-
are
allowed
to
be
developed
in
conjunction
with
an
sb9
project,
but
would
be
processed
separately
under
applicable
state
and
local
Adu
law.
E
E
If
an
existing
residence
and
an
Adu
or
Jadu
already
exist
on
site,
one
new
dwelling
unit,
plus
only
one
additional,
Adu
or
Jadu
could
be
added
in
scenario
B,
where
a
lot
is
being
subdivided
homeowners.
That
split
a
lot
will
be
allowed
to
build
two
new
units
on
each
of
the
two
new
Lots,
allowing
for
a
total
of
again
four
units
within
the
original
property
boundaries.
E
E
Single-Family
zones
are
those
in
which
residential
uses
are
limited
to
one
single-family
dwelling
per
lot
and
no
multiple
family
uses
or
other
commercial
uses
are
allowed.
These
are
known
as
the
R1
ra
Ro
and
re
zones,
as
well
as
Hillside
plan
development
and
residential
plan
development
zones,
in
which
the
predominant
existing
development
is
single-family,
residential.
E
These
projects
may
not
be
proposed
in
historic
areas
which
is
not
applicable
in
the
city
and
environmentally
sensitive
areas
such
as
Wetlands
conservation
areas
and
protected
species.
Habitat
areas
Wetlands
wetlands
are
not
generally
present
in
single-family
zoned
areas
in
the
city,
and
there
are
few
if
any
conservation,
easement
areas,
however,
affirmative
documentation,
that
no
protected
habitat
area
will
be
disturbed,
would
be
required
as
part
of
the
application
process
under
the
ordinance
as
proposed.
E
Certain
materials
will
be
specifically
required
for
sb9
projects
to
ensure
compliance
with
state
and
local
law,
in
addition
to
all
necessary
plans
and
Exhibits
normally
required
for
residential
development
or
a
lot
split.
The
application
for
either
type
of
sb9
project,
an
urban
lot
split
or
a
two
unit,
Housing
Development,
will
require
a
biologist
statement
confirming
that
there
is
no
protected
habitat
on
site
to
determine
eligibility,
as
previously
mentioned,
as
well
as
a
project
tree
report
or
statement
that
there
are
no
protected
trees
in
the
vicinity
of
the
project
area.
E
A
title
report
and
proof
that
the
HOA
has
been
notified
of
the
proposed
project,
if
applicable
and
I'll,
describe
why
that
is
a
little
bit
more
in
a
minute.
Recorded
affidavits
are
required
for
all
sb9
projects
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
eligibility
requirements
and
acknowledge
that
short-term
rentals
are
not
permitted
in
addition,
as
required
by
sb9.
If
an
applicant
proposes
an
urban
lot
split,
the
subdivider
must
record
an
affidavit
stating
that
they
intend
to
occupy
one
of
the
units
for
a
minimum
of
three
years
from
the
date
of
approval.
E
The
state
law
is
silent
as
to
whether
or
not
the
city
can
require
owner
occupancy
of
sb9
units
that
do
not
involve
an
urban
lot
split
in
order
to
maintain
consistency
and
to
discourage
absentee
landlords
and
speculative
development.
The
ordinance
and
States
this
requirement
for
the
owner
of
a
two-unit
Housing
Development
only
project
as
well.
E
In
order
to
meet
that
requirement,
the
habitable
dwelling
unit
must
exist
on
the
property
by
the
time
the
new
parcel
map
or
the
development
project
is
approved
to
ensure
that
that
Resident
exists
at
the
time
of
the
parcel
map
approval
and
to
encourage
projects
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
law,
which
is
increasing
the
supply
of
housing.
The
ordinance
requires
that
an
urban
lot
split
application
not
be
accepted,
except
in
conjunction
with
a
concurrently
submitted
application
for
residential
development
on
the
newly
created
parcel.
E
If
the
property
has
an
existing
residence
or
on
both
Parcels,
if
both
resulting
properties
are
vacant,
unless
a
two
unit,
housing
development
project
has
already
been
approved
on
the
subject
property,
the
applications
will
be
reviewed
simultaneously.
An
approval
of
the
new
parcel
map
would
be
held
until
the
building
permit
is
issued.
E
Unlike
State
Adu
law
sb9
does
not
exempt
sb9
units
from
any
applicable
City
fees
such
as
an
application
map,
recordation
building
plan,
check
fees
or
impact
fees
such
as
traffic,
school
and
Quimby
fees
and,
most
importantly,
sb9
specifically
states
that
all
sb9
projects
must
be
reviewed.
Ministerially
ministerially
means
projects
must
be
approved
without
any
public
hearing
or
subjective
judgment
from
City
staff
if
it
meets
state
and
local
law
requirements.
E
Ministerial
approvals
typically
do
not
include
any
public
noticing
requirements,
as
there
is
no
ability
to
appeal
or
request
administrative
review.
However,
as
sb9
does
not
explicitly
remove
an
hoa's
authority
to
prohibit
this
type
of
development,
as
the
Adu
law
did,
the
ordinance
has
been
drafted
to
state
that
if
the
site
is
associated
with
the
homeowners
association,
an
HOA,
the
applicant
must
provide
proof
that
they
have
notified.
The
HOA
of
the
proposed
project.
E
E
An
objective
standard
is
a
regulation
that
does
not
involve
again
any
judgment
but
relies
on
a
quantifiable
measure
to
determine
compliance,
while
the
state
law
requires
compliance
with
both
state
and
locally
implemented,
objective
standards.
It
is
similar
to
recent
State
Adu
legislation
and
that
allow
it
allows
jurisdictions
to
apply
local
standards
as
long
as
they
do
not
prevent
a
minimum
level
of
development.
E
The
specific
State
Standards
included,
an
sb9
include
what
you
see
here
on
this
slide
jurisdictions
may
not
impose
residential
setbacks,
greater
than
four
feet
for
side
and
rear
property
lines.
The
city
May
specify
front
yard
standards,
however,
similar
to
existing
Adu
regulation.
Juris
regulation
jurisdictions
may
not
impose
any
setback
requirements
for
a
unit
constructed
within
either
the
existing
living
area
or
in
the
same
location
and
Envelope
as
a
structure
which
is
demolished
and
reconstructed
jurisdictions
may
not
require
more
than
one
parking
space
per
unit.
E
The
ordinance
requires
that
space
to
be
in
enclosed
as
we'll
talk
about
more
in
a
minute.
The
law
does
include
exceptions
to
this
rule.
However,
none
of
those
currently
apply
within
the
city
boundaries
jurisdictions
may
not
reject
an
application
because
it
proposes
adjacent
or
connected
structures
and,
as
with
existing
city
and
state
regulations
for
adus
and
jadu's.
Sb9
prohibits
rental
tenancies
of
less
than
31
days
in
units
developed
using
sb9.
E
E
The
primary
uses
on
the
resulting
Lots
must
be
limited
to
residential
uses
and,
as
discussed
earlier,
state
law
requires
occupation
of
a
dwelling
on
site
from
the
date
of
approval
jurisdictions
may
not
require
correction
of
an
existing
legal
non-conforming
condition
as
a
condition
for
ministerial
approval
and
jurisdictions
may
not
require
dedications
of
Rights
of
way
or
the
construction
of
off-site
improvements.
However,
they
may
require
easements
required
for
the
provision
of
public
services
and
Facilities,
while
sb9
requires
applicants
and
cities
to
comply
with
those
certain
Provisions
just
described.
E
The
list
you
see
here
describes
areas
of
flexibility
Allowed
by
sb9,
where
possible,
objective
standards
could
be
imposed
by
the
city.
The
standards
in
the
ordinance
before
you
this
evening
were
drafted
to
maintain
as
much
consistency
with
the
required
design
and
development
normally
required
for
single-family
residential
development
as
possible.
The
city
May
Implement
other
objective
design
standards.
However,
it
is
important
to
note
that,
pursuant
to
the
state
housing
crisis
act,
local
ordinances
cannot
impose
restrictions
that
reduce
the
intensity
of
land
use
on
housing
sites,
which
includes
reducing
the
total
building
envelope.
The
density
Etc.
E
And
I'll
now
go
through
each
of
these
standards
in
what
is
included
in
the
ordinance
as
recommended
when
a
lot
split
occurs.
The
local
agency
must
allow
up
to
two
units
on
each
lot,
resulting
from
the
lot
split
and
when
a
lot
split
has
not
occurred.
The
lot
is
eligible
to
build
two
primary
units,
as
well
as
one
Adu
and
or
Junior
Adu
per
primary
unit,
as
it
ordinarily
would
under
Adu
law.
E
Under
the
proposed
ordinance,
the
size
of
a
unit
would
be
controlled
by
the
required
setbacks
required
percentage
of
usable,
open
space
on
the
lot
limitations
on
grading
and
removal
of
protected
trees,
as
well
as
property
characteristics,
limitations
on
grading,
existing
development
and
costs
pursuant
to
sb9.
If
a
dwelling
unit
on
the
site
has
been
rented
in
the
past
three
years,
no
demolition
of
that
unit,
which
has
been
rented,
is
allowed
if
there
are
other
units
which
were
not
rented
on
the
same
site.
E
E
Behind
another
lot,
with
a
long
segment
extending
along
one
side
of
the
front
lot
to
connect
the
rear
lot
to
the
street,
since
the
purpose
of
the
extension
is
to
connect
the
rear
lot
to
the
street
for
a
vehicular
access,
the
base
of
the
pole
will
have
a
curb
cut
and
an
apron
built
in
into
the
public
right
away,
as
each
new
curb
cut
removes
at
least
one
street
parking
space
available
to
the
neighborhood
on
streets
that
allow
parking.
The
ordinance,
prohibits,
flag
lots
and
instead
requires
an
access
easement
over
the
front.
E
In
addition
to
the
required
setbacks,
a
minimum
amount
of
usable
open
space
is
currently
required
by
both
the
city's
new
objective
standards
and
residential
plan
development
permits
to
remain
consistent
with
existing
single-family
residential
standards.
Staff
has
recommended
that
at
least
15
percent
of
each
lot
with
an
sb9
unit
is
designated
as
usable
open
space,
as
defined
in
the
ordinance.
E
Accordingly,
staff
has
included
a
25-foot
height
limit
or
up
to
35
feet
with
increased
side
and
rear
rear
setbacks
for
sb9
units
to
remain
consistent
with
the
majority
of
existing
single-family
resident
standards.
Detached
adus
would
still
only
be
allowed
to
be
16
feet
or
in
compliance
with
state
law.
E
The
city's
existing
regulations
require
two
enclosed
off-street
parking
spaces
for
each
single
family
dwelling
with
four
bedrooms
or
less
three
spaces,
or
two
enclosed
for
those
with
five
or
six
bedrooms
and
three
enclosed
spaces
for
those
with
seven
bedrooms
or
more.
However,
sb9
limits
this
requirement
to
one
parking
space
per
unit.
The
ordinance
before
you
this
evening
requires
those
spaces
to
be
enclosed
unless
the
garage
structure
or
structures
would
physically
preclude
the
sb9
units
from
being
at
least
800
square
feet
in
floor
area
per
lot,
in
which
case
the
required
parking
may
be
unenclosed.
E
The
city's
existing
regulations
require
design
review
for
new
single-family
dwellings
and
additional
on-site
development.
This
is
a
discretionary
process
using
subjective
design
guidelines
with
final
approval,
typically
granted
either
by
staff
or
the
Planning
Commission.
If
a
project
is
required
to
be
heard
at
a
public
hearing,
the
city
may
not
impose
the
same
discretionary
and
subjective
process
for
sb9
projects,
as
currently
drafted.
The
ordinance
requires
facade
requirements
for
garage
conversions
to
avoid
flat
blank
walls
facing
the
street
which
can
occur
in
some
cases.
E
The
city's
existing
regulations
require
discretionary
review
and
public
hearing
process
for
new
development
on
Hillside
Lots
within
the
HPD
Zone
to
remain
consistent,
but
maintain
a
ministerial
process.
Staff
recommends
that
the
objective
grading
limitations
currently
contained
within
the
municipal
code
applied
to
all
sb9
units
located
on
Lots
designated
as
being
within
the
HPD
Zone.
E
The
city's
existing
standards
also
require
discretionary
review
and
public
hearing
for
any
grading
or
relocation
of
Earth
on
land
having
a
natural
slope
greater
than
25
percent.
This
review
and
approval
process
is
again
discretionary
and
subjective
and
therefore
cannot
apply
to
subdivisions
or
the
construction
of
new
dwellings
pursuant
to
sb9.
E
E
Similarly,
the
city's
existing
regulations
require
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
for
the
removal
of
any
protected
oak
or
Landmark
tree
with
a
trunk
of
a
certain
size.
This
review
and
approval
process
is
not
objective
and
therefore
cannot
apply
to
subdivisions
or
the
construction
of
new
dwelling
units
pursuant
to
sb9.
E
In
summary,
absent
an
ordinance
regulating
sb9
projects,
proposals
for
urban
lot,
splits
and
two
unit
housing
developments
are
only
subject
to
the
minimum
standards
outlined
in
the
state
law
without
the
implementation
of
local
regulations
specific
to
the
type
of
development
and
subdivisions
mandated
by
sb9.
The
city
is
compelled
to
accept
and
approve
requests
to,
allow
two
single-family
dwellings
and
or
allow
subdivision
of
an
existing
property
in
a
single-family
residential
Zone
under
current
applicable
regulations,
without
any
local
objective
standards
tailored
to
this
type
of
development.
E
The
proposed
Municipal
Code
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
goal
and
policy
of
the
general
plan
show
you
shown
to
you
here,
because
the
city
is
using
an
appropriate
tool
of
objective
design,
standards
and
regulations
to
help
ensure
residential
development
Allowed
by
sb9
meets
fundamental
design,
principles
and
expectations
for
the
city.
By
adopting
this
Municipal
Code
amendment
to
implement
sb9,
the
city
is
ensuring
that
local
control
is
achieved
to
the
best
of
the
city's
ability
by
allowing
the
city
to
regulate
these
projects
where
allowed
to
by
the
state
law.
N
Before
we
get
dag
it
through
there,
it
was
I
believe
that
was
Justine's
first
presentation
in
front
of
the
council
relatively
still
a
new
member
of
our
team,
just
want
to
so
much
I
appreciated
that
that's
a
tough
one
to
to
to
do.
There's
a
lot
of
dense
material
and
she's
worked
very
hard
along
with
Noel
on
this
item.
So
I
appreciate
that,
through
our
presentation
being
reversed,.
B
O
A
Foreign,
so
our
ordinance
requires
that
any
project
that
that's
apple
called
sb9
record
a
covenant
on
the
property
stating
that
the
property
owner
will
live
in
one
of
the
units
on
one
of
the
lots
for
a
period
of
three
years.
If
they
fail
to
do
that,
then
the
city
could
enforce
both
the
the
Covenant
and
the
city's
municipal
code.
B
A
O
A
E
B
H
N
That
is
correct,
so
that
was
enacted
in
state
law
in
1986.
It's
existing
it's
on
the
books,
it's
reference
here
in
this
instance.
In
order
to
prevent
demolition
of
the
units
it
lays
it
sets
forth
to
certain
requirements
that
relates
to
what
landlords
can
and
cannot
do
to
tenants.
It
also
covers
things
such
as
eviction
from
deed,
restricted,
affordable
units.
N
Maybe
I
can
help
briefly
one
of
the
slides
that
they
covered
in
there.
If
you
were
going
to
do
an
sb9
project,
you
may
be
choosing
to
demo
the
existing
property,
but
simply
what
they're
referring
to
the
ls
act
here
is,
if
that
that
will
not
be
if
a
property
is
under
that
or
governed
under
that,
if
that
would
remove
it
from
the
housing
stock,
you
will
not
be
able
to
to
demo
so.
H
P
H
P
P
That
it's
not
a
lot
split.
It's
an
sb9
project.
Remember,
there's
various
ways
of
adding
more
units
to
property.
There's
sb9,
there's
a
lot
split:
there's
adus
and
there's
Junior
80
users
various
pieces
of
legislation
that
allows
more
than
one
unit
to
go
on
a
piece
on
a
lot.
So
in
this
case
and
Justine
I
think
you
can
explain
a
little
bit
more
better
than
I
can,
since
you're
processing.
E
P
E
Unit
for
a
junior
accessory
dwelling
unit,
it's
500
square
feet
for
a
detached
unit.
It
is
I
believe
a
thousand
square
feet
for
two.
If
you
have
two
bedrooms
or
850
square
feet,
if
you
have
one
bedroom
and
for
an
attached
unit,
an
attached
accessory
dwelling
unit,
if
you
put
the
Adu
in
like
an
addition,
it's
up
to
50
percent
of
the
existing
residents.
E
E
H
H
I
mean
that
strains
the
imagination
to
see
how
you
could
get
all
that
on
and
if
you
arrange
them
sort
of
piggyback
the
one
in
the
back
would
have
to
have
a
driveway
to
get
past
the
one
in
the
front
right
I
mean
this
is
such
a
hodgepodge.
This
has
to
be
nine.
I
I
was
trying
to
get
petition
signatures
in
this
spring
to
modify
it,
and
then
the
state
drive
that
I
was
part
of
gave
up
on
trying
to
get
the
matter
on
the
ballot.
H
This
November
and
so
I
have
all
these
petitions
they
won't.
Let
me
use
them
anymore,
because
the
petitions
will
have
to
be
renewed
to
apply
to
the
to
the
Future,
but
it
just
seems
to
be
on
the
face
of
it
that
it
would
be
so
hard
to
implement
it
on
a
typical
residential
lot
in
Thousand
Oaks
in
essence,
Justine.
What
what
are
the
major
factors
or
the
major
parts
of
your
the
changes
that
we're
contemplating
here
tonight.
E
H
I
would
go
along
with
what
this
filled
out
on
Pena
said.
That
seems
to
me.
That
would
be
hard
to
enforce.
I
mean
you'd
have
to
have
somebody
nosing
around
to
see
who's
living
there
quite
often
I.
You
know,
I
mean
I,
understand
what
you're
saying
you
were,
making
it
more
difficult,
but
I
I
do
think
there
would
be
a
little
problem
with
enforcement
of
that
when
I.
If
I.
N
Might
on
that
councilmember
Jones,
the
the
enforcement
side.
It
really
is
similar
to
most
of
our
code
enforcement
actions,
so
in
in
most
cases
those
actions
would
usually
derive
from
complaints
by
neighbors
Neighbors
in
particular
ones
that
are
not
happy,
often
keep
a
close,
watchful
eye
on
those
things,
and
so
it's
really
no
different
than
any
other
code
violations.
We
would
respond
accordingly
and
prosecute
accordingly.
Yeah.
E
Yeah,
so
we've
also
in
in
several
objective
standards
as
part
of
the
ordinance
which
are
different
from
state
law,
so
some
of
the
architectural
design
standards,
notably
to
Inc,
have
the
garage
or
sorry
the
parking
be
enclosed.
The
state
law
does
not
require
the
enclosure
of
the
parking
prohibition
on
grading
on
steep
slopes,
prohibition
on
removing
protected
trees.
Those
are
constraints
that
people
could
run
into.
E
In
addition
to
other
things,
like
the
the
front
yard,
setback
is
specified
by
this
ordinance.
It's
not
specified
by
state
law
things
like
that,
yeah
no
flag,
Lots,
you
have
to
do
the
easement
instead
of
having
two
curb
Cuts
requiring
a
15
usable,
open
space.
In
addition
to
the
storage,
those
are
all
objective
standards
included
in
the
ordinance
which
are
not
mandated
by
state
law.
Well,.
H
Let
me
just
say
that
I
think
that
you've
done
a
good
job
and
I
think
you're.
This
is
probably
about
as
far
as
you
can
go
in
saying
that
we're
still
you
know,
abiding
by
sb9,
but
we're
including
standards
to
make
these
additions
more
palatable
to
the
community
and
to
the
city.
I,
don't
like
sv9
at
all
and
whenever
I
get
a
chance
I'm
going
to
try
to
either
severely
modify
it
through
the
initiative
process
or
else
do
away
with
it
through
the
referendum
process.
H
Q
Mr
Adam,
thank
you
mayor
on
this
Enforcement
issue
and
I
I
understand
that
it's
calling
for
a
the
owner
to
live
there
for
three
years
and
and
that's
all
good
to
me.
The
bigger
issue
for
me
anyway,
is
that
these
things
don't
turn
into
Str
short-term
rentals.
You
know
you
got
to
be
there
at
least
31
days
and
I
guess.
Enforcement,
for
that
would
also
be
basically
neighbors
complaining
to
us.
Correct
I
mean
it's
not
something
that
we
can
go
out
and
you
know
have.
L
N
Q
E
Anecdotally,
yes,
that's
a
lot
of
the
inquiries.
We've
been
getting
have
been
from
families
wanting
to
have
space
for
their
family
members,
brothers
sisters,
mostly
children,
to
be
close
to
them
and
to
take
advantage
of
the
assets
that
they
have
to
to
spread
the
wealth
around
amongst
their
family.
So
to
speak.
Q
Q
Q
E
B
Currently,
you're
not
allowed
to
do
any
cuts
into
a
slope
of
that
size.
If,
if
that
precludes
someone
from
doing
a
lot
split,
how
does
the
mechanism
work
there?
Can
they
still
do
the
lot
split
and
is
you
I
think
you
mentioned
an
800
square
foot
house
that
needs
to
be
put
there?
Can
it
be
larger
or
is
that
the
maximum.
E
The
ordinance
is
written
to
say
that
you
could
only
disturb
the
slope
up
to
or
or
any
of
the
standards
up
to
allow
the
absolute
minimum
level
of
development
that
we
have
to
allow.
So
you
would
only
be
able
to
do
whatever
the
the
minimum
amount
of
disturbances
to
get
to
those
two
units
of
800
square
feet.
Each
if
say
on
the
vacant,
parcel.
B
B
You
and
our
we
went
through
the
exercise.
I
believe
it
was
in
March
if
I
remember
right
about
doing
our
objective
standards.
Citywide
are
those
going
to
be
effective
for
this
application,
or
is
it
there's
some
exceptions
that
are
going
to
have
to
go
into
place?
Can
you
go
a
little
bit
into
those?
Yes.
E
So
the
the
ordinance
does
say
that
the
objective
standards
article
22,
which
were
recently
adopted,
don't
apply
to
these
sb9
projects.
They
really
were
not
written
with
this
type
of
development
in
mind
that
they
have
been
incorporated
into
this
ordinance
as
appropriate
for
this
type
of
infill,
small-scale
development.
B
A
Well,
it's
still
pretty
relatively
early
sb9
does
allow
you
to
Place
objective
standards
so
long
as
they
don't
preclude
two
units
of
up
to
800
square
feet.
So
a
certainly
different
cities
are
coming
up
with
different
objective
standards
that
make
sense
for
their
communities,
and
so
this
ordinance.
We
think
that
we've
come
up
with
the
objective
standards
that
make
sense
for
this
community.
B
B
A
B
E
O
E
N
H
N
N
B
Very
good
do
any
other
questions
for
colleagues.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
public
speakers
that
would
like
to
get
to
so
let
me
open
it
up
to
our
public
speakers.
Currently,
we
have
two
people
waiting
for
a
comment.
One
of
them
is
Gina
cool.
Who
is
online
so
she's
on
the
zoom
miss
school?
Are
you
there,
foreign.
D
A
B
R
R
You
guys,
you
don't
have
an
easy
job
and
I
totally
understand
it,
but
this
sb9
is
the
kind
of
stuff
you
see
as
it's
being
dictated
from
Sacramento
and
beyond
that.
This
is
the
kind
of
stuff
you
see
in
communist
countries.
They
shouldn't
dictate
to
us
what
we
do
with
our
lovely
Canal
valley
right
I
mean.
R
R
That's
good.
I
know
this
is
a
tough
situation,
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
people
up
there.
You
know
that
I
guess
we
could
follow
the
money
and
I'm,
not
accusing
anybody
here
of
that.
But
if
we
were
to
follow
the
money
and
see
what's
really
driving,
this
I
think
we
would
find
some
interesting
things
besides
just
trying
to
increase
numbers
of
units
for
families
and
stuff
like
that.
R
R
It's
a
it's
a
form
of
theft,
of
value
of
their
own
home,
because
property
values
will
not
increase
like
they
would.
If
we
weren't
increasing
the
density
in
the
traffic
and
the
the
population
and
everything
so
I'm,
I'm
wondering
you
know,
I
wish
Jackie
Irwin
was
still
here
because
I
want
to
ask
her.
You
know:
where
is
she
in
all
this
I
was
hoping
that
she
would
protect
us
as
an
assembly
member.
R
But
where
is
the
to
Council
on
this
again
I
love,
you
guys
and
I
pray
for
you
guys
to
make
the
right
moral
and
ethical
decisions,
and
all
that
but
I'm,
hoping
that
you
guys
will
protect
us
and
I
know
that
they
made
this
law
and
that's
hard
to
fight
and
push
back
on,
and
you
know
some
of
us
will
say:
oh
our
hands
are
tied,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
it's
the
law,
but
I,
don't
believe.
R
That's
actually
true,
I've
been
told
a
lot
of
times
in
my
life
that
oh,
you
can't
do
that
or
you
won't
be
able
to
make
that
happen,
and
it
that
wasn't
true.
I
was
able
to
make
things
happen
and
I
think
you
guys
are
smart
enough
to
make
something
happen
where
we
could
maybe
Tracy
Noonan
could
head
up
a
team
to
sue
the
state
and
say:
hey
we're
not
going
to
follow
this,
this
law
and
we
could
join
up
with
other
cities
and
other
counties
to
do
the
same
thing.
R
R
R
R
We
can
tell
them
hey,
keep
your
ideas
there
and
we'll
do
things
our
way
and
I
think
we
could
be
successful
with
it.
So
anyway,
God
bless
you
all
again,
I
love,
you
all!
So
don't
think
I'm
I'm
a
little
pissed,
but
I
think
we
can
actually
do
something
good
out
of
all
this.
So
do
you
have
any
questions
for
me.
N
Yeah
and
I
may,
if
it's
okay
with
that
problem,
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
comments
off
the
top
here,
and
thank
you,
sir,
for
for
coming
for
coming
down
and
and
speaking
and
speaking
with
passion.
We
share
that
we
were
one
of
the
lead
cities
fighting
against
this,
we're
on
record
with
multiple
letters
and
requests
and
lobbying
efforts
and
others,
as
are
so
many
other
cities
in
doing
that.
N
The
whole
reason
we're
doing
this
here
tonight
is:
we
know
it's
the
state
law
today
and
we
know
there
are
some
legal
challenges
out
there
and
there'll
be
more
to
come,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
enough
Protections
in
place
here
that
we've
only
gotten
one
application
to
to
go
through
so
far
that's
moving
forward
through
here,
and
that
one
is,
is
an
interesting
one
and
that
it
just
involves
a
split
of
an
exact
home.
So
it's
not
a
building
of
a
new
structure.
P
Before
we
go
to
Justin
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments
as
well
and-
and
that
is
that
you
know
Drew
is
right.
The
city
was
on
record
as
opposing
this
legislation
and
not
because
the
city
opposes
housing,
but
because
the
city
always
tries
to
enforce
local
control.
We
do
not
believe
that
one
size
fits
all
with
every
city
in
the
state
of
California.
So
anytime
there
is
legislation,
that's
pending
where
it
usurps
local
control.
The
city
is
always
on
record
as
opposing
in
the
city.
You
know
vehemently
opposed
this
legislation.
P
For
that
reason,
there
are
two
pending
lawsuits
right
now
they
are
new
lawsuits.
There's
been
no
case
decisions
on
it,
there's
been
no
decisions
on
those
cases,
but
it's
important
to
know
that
all
of
those
cities
that
are
involved
in
that
legislation
did
exactly
what
you're
being
asked
to
do
tonight.
Steph
they
filed
lawsuits,
but
they
also
drafted
legislation
in
order
to
comply
with
espionine
and
in
order
to
maintain
as
much
local
control
as
possible.
So
they
did
exactly
what
what
you
are
being
asked
to
do
tonight.
P
E
B
O
Well,
I
think
it's
inevitable
that
we
have
to
prove
this
tonight.
I
watched
the
Planning
Commission.
They
had
some
very
in-depth
discussion
of
it
and
you
know
sometimes
you
wonder,
then
why
you
know
what
are
we
still
doing
here
if
we
can't
really
approve
anything
and
if
things
are
being
proved
administratively
or
mysteriously
ministerially,
and
it
is
I'm
glad
that
Mr
Powers
mentioned
we,
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks,
vehemently
opposed
sb9,
not
because
we
oppose
housing
as
mayor
as
Miss
Noonan
said,
but
because
it's
about
local
control
and
we
lost
that
fight.
O
Q
B
Q
H
I,
as
I've
said
before,
I
wish
that
people
in
Sacramento
had
ever
been
in
local
government
and
they
might
have
known
not
to
do
this,
but
I
think
the
steps
that
have
been
recommended
tonight
are
logical,
I,
think
they're
within
our
ability
to
do
I
think
they
would
stand
up
if
they
were
challenged
and
I
do
think
they
protect
us
in
many
ways
and
make
it
less
likely
that
someone
would
try
to.
You
know
on
a
grand
scale,
subdividal
other
plot,
so
I
intend
to
support
the
motion.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Jones
I.
Believe
I,
too,
will
support
the
motion.
It
does
give
us
a
modicum
of
some
control
that
this
that
the
state
has
has
brought
to
us.
This
law
is
already
in
place
and,
as
Mr
Jones
pointed
out,
the
state
does
have
the
ability
to
make
laws
and
we
have
the
responsibility
to
enact
those
laws
at
our
at
our
level.
B
That
said,
I
think
it's
a
law
that
wasn't
well
formed
when
it
was
passed.
This
is
a
one
size
fit
all
that
doesn't
seem
to
really
fit
our
aesthetic
here.
So
in
terms
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
tonight
is
massage
this
law
to
be
more
of
a
Thousand,
Oaks,
friendly
and
and
aesthetic
so
I
think
that's
the
appropriate
for
us
to
do
that.
The.
B
As
my
colleague
said
and
I
I
was
part
of
that,
I
am
the
one
of
the
representatives
to
California
League
of
cities.
262
of
the
cities
in
in
California
protested
against
this.
This
is
something
that
we
did
not
want
to
see
happen
because
it
takes
away
the
customization
of
of
local
codes.
That's
so
important
to
cities.
B
The
state,
though,
from
their
Viewpoint,
sees
a
critical
need
for
housing,
and
they
are
they
base
their
decision
on
this.
This
critical
need
of
housing
that
they
have
assigned.
So
there's
a
difference
of
opinion
on
how
this
came
about.
There's
lots
of
different
things
we
could
do.
Mr
Jones
is
talking
about
a
petition
that
was
put
out
for
possible
something
to
be
voted
upon
by
the
initiative
process.
B
That
is
not
happening
this
time.
It
may
happen
sometime
in
the
future.
There
are
other
cities
with
lawsuits
that
are
out
there,
that
we
have
not
seen
and
been
able
to
digest
yet,
but
these
are
items
that
will,
unfortunately,
this
prompt
nine.
It
will
this
up,
I'm,
sorry,
Senate
bill.
Nine
will
be
a
plane
that
we
build
while
we're
flying
it
there's
very
little
case
law
on
such
a
sweeping
change
to
land
use
in
California.
B
Just
a
couple
of
items
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
the
city
protested
against
this.
It
fell
on
on
ears
that
were
more
concerned
with
a
perceived
housing
issue
in
the
State
and
the
state
state
lawmakers
went
a
different
direction.
Our
own
representative,
here
in
in
Thousand
Oaks
Jackie
Irwin,
voted
against
it.
So
she
was
representing
our
interest,
but
again
it's
a
it's.
A
democracy
and
and
the
votes
went
the
other
direction
than
what
we
had
intended.
H
B
B
C
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8B,
revise
water
conservation,
ordinance
and
contract
term
extension
for
related
services.
Speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
and
Community
residence
for
the
record.
Two
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
B
F
Then,
on
May
24th
this
year,
Council
passed
a
resolution
declaring
a
level
four
water
shortage,
with
minor
modifications
to
the
ordinance
that
included
specifying
some
exemptions
to
the
one
day
a
week.
Watering
that
Council
item
also
included
a
supplemental
package
with
additional
information
on
hand,
watering
and
low
flow
irrigation
and
allowed
for
a
60-day
grace
period
for
conversion
of
existing
spray.
Sprinklers
to
drip
irrigation.
F
Since
that
resolution
was
passed,
the
state
has
banned
the
irrigation
of
ornamental
Turf
on
commercial,
industrial
and
institutional
properties,
and
Metropolitan
has
limited
irrigation
to
10
minutes
per
week,
which
conflicted
with
our
ordinance.
So
Council
subsequently
passed
a
resolution
on
August
30th
to
bring
us
into
compliance
as
a
result
of
the
evolution
of
these
conditions.
The
current
water
conservation
measures
are
no
longer
contained
in
any
single
document.
F
F
F
F
This
table
shows
the
monthly
use
Target
set
by
callegas
and
the
most
recent
week's
performance
by
all
local
agencies
receiving
water
from
callegas.
All
three
agencies
serving
Thousand
Oaks,
and
these
are
highlighted
here:
California
Water,
Service,
California,
American,
Water
Company
and
the
city
itself
exceeded
their
89
gallons
per
capita
per
day
or
gpcd
October
Target.
This
is
the
toughest
Target
that
we've
been
subject
to
so
far.
In
the
summer
our
Target
was
106
gpcd,
but
as
we
move
into
the
cooler
months,
the
new
used
target
has
been
lowered.
F
F
This
map
shows
the
state
Water
Project
dependent
areas
served
by
Metropolitan
water
district
in
dark
orange,
and
these
are
the
ones
that
are
subject
to
the
one
day:
watering
week,
prohibition
or
restriction,
sorry
cayagus,
which
is
on
the
top
left
of
the
map
there
in
the
Northwest,
which
serves
the
city
of
Thousand,
Oaks
and
areas
north
and
west
of
us
and
Las
virginas,
which
serves
the
area
immediately.
South
and
east
of
us
are
the
only
two
in
this
area
that
are
not
currently
meeting
the
Metropolitan
water
use
targets.
F
F
The
other
four
districts
have
water
use
lower
than
their
budgets,
as
shown
by
the
negative
values
here,
but
since
the
region
as
a
whole,
Is
On,
Target
Metropolitan,
has
not
imposed
a
full
outdoor
watering
ban.
Should
that
change
the
revised
level
5
measures
contained
in
the
ordinance
before
you
tonight
prepare
us
for
this
by
mimicking
the
Metropolitan
zero-day
watering
mandate.
That
includes
some
exceptions
as
Allowed
by
Metropolitan.
F
F
B
O
F
There
are
some
exceptions
to
to
that
and
we've
built
those
into
this
revised
ordinance.
So
there
would
still
be
exceptions
for
watering
Turf
and
public
Recreation
areas,
as
we
have
now
like
playing
fields,
the
park
and
rec
areas
other
Recreation
areas,
so
they
would
be
Exempted
and
there
is
also
exemption
for
drip
irrigation
for
up
to
10
minutes.
Oh
sorry,
more
than
10
minutes
for
one
day
a
week
under
a
pyrigation
and
for
watering
hand,
watering
of
trees.
Q
Okay,
well
I
wish
we
could
offer
better
Solutions,
but
Thousand
Oaks
for
decades
now
has
been
100
dependent
on
imported
water.
We
were
working
some
other
solutions
to
come
forward,
but
they're
a
little
further
down
the
road.
So
in
the
meantime,
the
only
church
we
have
is
conservation
and
it's
imperative
that
we
keep
that
up
because
the
you
know
the
next
step
level
is
worse
than
this
one.
So
if
you
haven't
converted
to
drip,
please
consider
doing
so
that
definitely
helps
and
just
try
to
stay
at
it
as
best
we
can.
O
Follow-Up
to
my
comments,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
to
the
other
two
private
purveyors
in
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
have
not
done
enough
to
enforce
conservation
at
all
and
so
they're
only
now,
starting
with
a
water,
Patrol
and
I
think.
That
is
why
we're
seeing
the
our
poor
progress
in
in
savings
I
hope
that,
with
the
new
water
Patrol
coming
on
for
California
American
and
California
Water
Company,
then
we
will
see
more
savings.
B
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
You
always
do
a
great
job,
a
quick
question
on
there
were
some
fines
that
were
possible
coming
down
the
line.
Where
are
we
on
that?
Has
there
been
any
action
from
cayegis
or
from
Metropolitan
to
enforce
any
fines
on
the
purveyors
of
the
water?
In
other
words,
the
city
or
some
of
the
other
companies.
F
So
a
metropolitan
has
not
yet
decided
on
whether
they're
going
to
implement
volumetric
standards
throughout
for
everybody.
If
they,
if
they
do,
that,
the
earliest
would
be
the
beginning
of
December,
and
at
that
point
they
could
decide
that
there
would
be
a
penalty
of
two
thousand
dollars
per
acre
foot
imposed
on
any
agency
which
exceeded
its
Target.
So
we're
not
there
yet,
but
that
is
definitely
a
possibility
for
the
future.
B
F
B
K
B
R
Okay,
thank
you.
I
got
five
minutes.
This
is
great
I.
Don't
need
that
much
time.
I
don't
think.
But
have
you
guys
heard
I
know
you
can't
answer
the
question,
but
maybe
you
can't
I
don't
know.
Maybe
somebody
will
feel
bold,
but
have
you
heard
about
them?
The
state
of
California
dumping
water
out
of
the
reservoirs
over
the
last
year
at
times
to
help
protect
the
Delta
smelt,
fish
and
the
steelhead
trout.
G
R
R
Us,
okay,
okay,
sorry
she's,
just
she's,
really
smart
anyway.
The
actually
the
main
reason
I
wanted
to
talk
was
the
way
we're
imposing
the
or
the
way
we're
doing
the
the
patrol
so
we're
taking
money
from
the
taxpayers
to
get
a
patrol
to
go
around
and
find
them,
and
it
just
seems
kind
of
weird.
It
kind
of
reminds
me
of
Nazi,
Germany
and
I.
Know:
I
I!
Think
that
yes,
conserving
water
is
a
good
idea.
You
know,
but
the
whole
Patrol
thing
just
kind
of
feels.
R
Weird
and
I
I
just
want
to
share
that
so
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
good
idea,
I
think
maybe
there's
a
I
I
would
think
that
people
would
be
more
careful
on
their
own
I.
Think,
as
opposed
to
having
a
patrol
go
around
like
that.
Some
to
consider
I
want
to
think
about
it,
and-
and
it
is
a
lot
of
money
you
know.
R
L
L
L
L
The
federal
and
state
governments
claim
that
their
big
government
programs
are
the
solution
to
the
water
shortages
and
not
the
cause.
Nothing
could
be
further
from
the
truth.
The
truth
is
that
the
water
shortages
in
California
and
other
parts
of
the
nation
are
directly
caused
by
misguided
and
counterproductive
government
programs.
L
Why
is
the
taxpayer
being
forced
to
subsidize
water
for
special
interest
groups
when
these
special
interests
receive
water
at
low
subsidized
rates?
They
have
far
less
incentive
to
conserve
water
than
they
otherwise
should,
or
would
our
city
council
needs
to
educate
the
public
that
the
politicians
and
bureaucrats
in
Sacramento
and
Washington
DC
are
the
cause
of
this
crisis?
L
We
need
council
members
who
will
push
back
against
pressures
to
turn
our
government
into
a
totalitarian
state
like,
for
example,
communist
USSR
or
East
Germany,
where
in
those
countries
there
were
shortages
of
all
sorts
of
necessities,
and
that's
where
government
imposed
restrictions,
fines,
rationing
and
quotas
on
their
citizens,
use
of
resources.
That's
right
out
of
the
Communist
Playbook
America
was
the
strongest
nation
in
the
world
for
two
centuries
because
of
our
commitment
to
Liberty
and
free
markets.
L
B
F
So
to
the
first
Speaker
we
we're
actually
mandated
to
have
an
enforcement
plan,
so
that
is
part
of
the
Metropolitan
requirement
to
meet
these
restrictions.
Also,
we
wish
that
it
was
true
that
people
would
voluntarily
all
comply
with
the
regulations.
Unfortunately,
evidence
proves
that
that
is
not
necessarily
the
case.
F
We
also
do
have
many
residents
who
look
to
us
for
enforcement
because
they
are
obeying
the
rules
and
they
do
not
appreciate
it
when
their
neighbors
do
not
obey
the
rules,
so
it
works
both
ways.
As
far
as
the
cost
of
that
we
will
be
reimbursed,
I
believe
at
least
half
of
the
cost
of
the
enforcement
will
be
reimbursed,
To
Us
by
the
calligos
water
district
for
those
water
Patrols.
F
It
also
helps
us
to
avoid
future
penalties
because
we
need
to
come
into
compliance
or
the
the
outcome
could
be
even
more
costly
to
us.
So,
even
though
we're
outlaying
money
now
to
pay
for
those
Patrol
Services
is
potentially
avoiding
future
penalties.
That
could
be
much
more
burdensome
and
some
of
the
other
comments
I'm
going
to
let
Mr
hidari
comment
on
our
efforts.
F
Those
fish
they're
actually
a
really
important
linking
species
between
the
fish
that
the
marine
species
that
feed
on
the
vegetation
and
then
they
actually
are
an
important
Link
in
the
food
chain
to
the
larger
fish
that
feed
on
them
and
the
California
fishery
Fisheries
depend
very
very
heavily
on
the
survival
of
that
species
to
keep
our
marine
fisheries
in
in
business
and
to
protect
the
larger
food
chain.
So
they
are
important
for
that
reason
and
turn
over
to
Mr
hodori.
To
comment
on
the
infrastructure
projects.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
As
was
mentioned,
the
current
position
we're
in
is
we're
100
reliant
on
this.
You
know
State
Water,
Project,
imported
water,
but
in
in
light
of
the
the
drought
and
the
the
need
to
you
know
change
that
that
formula
we
are
actively
pursuing
several
local
opportunities
to
help
ourselves
become
partially
self-reliant
on
water
resources,
and
we
have
several
projects
in
in
the
works
on
those
and
we've
we've
been
briefing
the
Council
on
those
periodically
and
are
continuing
to
push
forward
on
those.
Q
Mr
Adam,
thank
you
mayor
well,
and
one
other
and
Dr
Cox
I
know
I'm
assume
you
would
agree
with
this.
One
of
the
reasons
we
have
to
enforce
is
because,
if
our
allotment
continues
to
exceed
what
it's
supposed
to
be-
and
we
have
to
start
paying
this
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
per
acre
foot,
that
will
be
borne
by
all
the
taxpayers,
not
just
the
ones
that
have
exceeded
their
their
allotment.
Q
F
Q
Q
Well
we're
revisiting
those
Wells
and
they're
filled
to
the
brim,
because
we
haven't
tapped
them
for
years,
because
we're
not
grazing
cattle
anymore
and
there's
a
well
that
we're
looking
at
on
Los
Robles
golf
course
that
could
potentially
provide
about
10
percent
of
our
water
usage
10..
How
much
is
it
now
they're,
five
to
ten
percent?
Five
I
thought
it
was
ten.
Q
It's
something
that
we're
trying
to
do
and
we're
working
as
a
regional
approach,
with
last
version
of
this
for
water
district
to
funnel
that
water,
through
their
treatment
plan
and
back
to
us
correct.
That
is
correct.
Yes,
so
if
it's
something,
but
you
know,
we
need
rain
ultimately,
and
hopefully
we'll
get
it
this
season.
N
B
O
Bill
De
La
Pena.
Thank
you,
mayor,
Engler,
quick
question:
should
penalties
be
imposed
on
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks?
Is
it
just
the
rate
payers,
then
that
have
to
carry
the
burden?
It's
not
all
the
taxpayers
in
the
city
of
thousands,
just
the
rate
payers
that
are
within
the
city's
water
system.
Correct.
Yes,.
O
K
That
would
be
the
case
for
us,
and
that
would
also
be
the
case
for
calam
and
California
Water
Service.
But,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
doing
that
Financial
study
right
now
to
outline
the
options
that
are,
that
would
exist
to
see
how
those
penalties
would
be
would
be
spread.
Potentially
we
would
it
would.
Ideally,
we
would
try
to
hope
to
avoid
you
know,
imposing
any
additional
costs
on
those
that
are
conserving
and
are
doing
the
right
thing.
N
And
they
wouldn't
follow
on
point
to
that,
because
I
think
I
see
where
your
your
line
of
questioning
is
going
what's
important
to
look
at.
You
have
three
purveyors
in
town
and
the
city
you
know,
while
still
struggling
to
to
meet
the
number
is
doing
much
better
than
those
two
private
purveyors.
So
in
one
of
the
purveyors
it
was
200
percent
over.
O
About
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out.
Exactly
that
was
I
was
wondering
about
that,
and-
and
that
is
why
I
need
to
stress
again
to
our
audience.
Members
tonight
and
Dr
Cox
mentioned
it
not
having
water.
Patrol
really
hasn't
helped
the
private
companies
here,
California
Water
Company
in
California
American
company.
O
They
have
not
had
a
patrol
for
all
these
months
and
they're
I
mean
egregiously
above
what
the
goal
should
be,
and
that
is
why
they
have
hired
a
water
Patrol
company
now,
because
that's
the
only
way
to
enforce,
because
people
on
their
own
are
not
going
to
do
it,
so
they
they
gave
rate
payers
a
chance.
They,
the
ratepayers,
didn't
heed
the
advice
or
the
recommendations,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
not
Nazi
Germany
communist
China
USSR.
E
Q
Topic,
so
are
you
saying,
then,
that
the
if,
if
we
do
have
to
pay
these
penalties,
that
the
penalties
would
be
spread
dis
disproportionately
among
the
three
purveyors
and
the
purveyor
that
was
over
the
most
allotment
could
pay
more
than
the
other
two?
Or
would
they
just
be
level
across
across
the
board
or
we
don't
know
yet.
K
Well,
the
penalty
the
value
appears
to
be
has
been
contemplated
at
two
thousand
dollars
per
acre
foot
that
that
may
change,
but
that
only
applies
to
that
water.
You
use
that
the
whichever
purveyor
is
using
above
their
Target
threshold,
so
it
wouldn't,
it
wouldn't
apply
to
the
entire
amount
that
the
purveyor
is
using.
But
since
the
other
agencies
are
way,
you
know
well
higher
than
this
core
Central
Thousand
Oaks
Water
District,
their
penalties
would
be
much
much
greater
significantly
higher
that
that
would
be
the
concern.
I.
Q
Q
H
H
I,
don't
know
if
they've
given
and
he
thought
to
that
or
if
they
still
own
them,
they've
been
I,
know
one
is
on
William
Street
and
there
are
I
think
at
least
three
that
I
know
of
in
the
well
they're
in
the
cafe
coneo
area.
Currently
we
have
three
parks
that
use
reclaimed
water
because
I
guess
they're
in
the
gravity
area
of
Los
virginas
and
that's
to
a
North
Ranch,
the
Playfield
and
the
neighborhood
park,
as
well
as
triumphal
Park.
H
It
seems
to
me
the
best
thing
we
could
do
would
be
to
try
to
use
the
effluent
from
the
hill
Canyon
treatment
plant.
I
know
it
would
be
expensive.
The
reason
we
can
use
los
virginas
because
I
believe
it's
gravity
feed.
This
would
all
have
to
be
pumped
up.
But
if
we
did
that
that
could
all
be
used
for
agriculture
that
could
be
used
to
water
all
the
Lawns
and
the
plants
and
so
forth
and
save
the
more
desirable
potable
water
I
mean
I.
H
Guess
that's
potable,
but
I
I,
don't
think
you
know
people
would
be
interested
in
drinking
it
at
just
a
tertiary
treatment.
You
might
have
to
treat
it
more
than
that
I
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
that.
So
I
don't
know,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
would
be
better
than
the
desal
plant,
because
you'd
really
have
to
pump
it
uphill
and
to
me
that
would
be
very
expensive
to
try
to
do
that
in
Ventura
County.
H
But
it
may
come
to
that
with
cities
that
are
near
the
ocean,
but
I
believe
it
should
be
all
hands
on
deck
here,
because
you
know
I
I,
think
Bob
knows
and
I
know,
because
we've
been
in
the
precincts.
There
are
certain
people
that
I
I'm,
not
a
policeman
I'm
not
going
to
turn
anybody
in,
but
I
can
tell
you.
There
are
people
that
are
evidently
watering
their
lawns
because
they
look
just
as
fine
as
they
once
did.
H
So
I
guess
that
could
be
done
perhaps
more
diligently
than
it's
being
done,
but
I
think
we're.
We
all
should
be
in
this
together
and
we
all
should
do
whatever
we
can
do
and
to
conserve.
As
far
as
possible
I
mean
my
wife
is
in
charge
of
the
water
police
in
our
house
and
she's
very
diligent
about
obeying
the
rules,
so
she's,
maybe
more
dependable
than
I
would
be.
But
if,
if
everybody
would
you
know,
knuckle
down
and
do
their
part
I
mean
we
can't
predict
the
weather?
H
Obviously,
but
it
certainly
would
be
nice
if
we'd
get
a
good.
Heavy
rain
is
coming
rainy
season,
but
in
the
meantime,
I
I
would
agree
that
we
should
access
the
wells,
as
councilman
Adams
said,
and
do
a
little
blending
of
that
with
the
cayugus
water
and
the
reason
people
had
water
softeners
for
a
few
years.
I
was
here
because
of
the
odor
that
the
wall
Water
Gave
off
so
I
think
we
wouldn't
want
to
use
it
unless
we
blended
it.
H
Q
B
The
the
Clean
Water
Project
that
is
being
done
over
at
Los
virginas
is
using
a
reverse
osmosis
system.
That
is
exactly
the
same
as
what
we
commonly
refer
to
as
desal,
because
it
turns
water
that
is
tertiary
treatment
to
drinkable
water.
In
other
words,
our
Hill
Canyon
would
have
to
have
some
sort
of
reverse
osmosis
to
become
potable
water
very
expensive.
Not
only
for
that
very
energy
intensive
plus,
then
we'd
have
to
pump
it
back
up
to
four
or
five
hundred
feet
up
the
hill
to
our
Bard
Lake
Supply.
B
So
it's
it's
on
the
table,
but
just
I
want
everyone
to
recognize
that
the
San
Diego
plant
I
think
it's
San
Diego
San
Clemente
has
a
as
a
desal
plant
that
particular
plant
produces
water,
which
is
great
it's
at
twice
this
cost
of
our
water
that
comes
from
state
water
project.
That
probably
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
haven't
looked
at
other
options,
but
I
think
now
that
our
our
options
are
getting
to
the
point
of
we
don't
have
water,
then
the
cost
is
something
that
we're
willing
to
accept.
B
I
just
I-
just
have
the
one
comment
that
here
again
we're
we're
looking
at
to
do
something.
We
need
to
do
something
to
make
sure
that
we
are
compliant
with
with
Metropolitan,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
quick
question,
because
we've
been
very
negative
tonight
and
how
this
is
affecting
the
city
and
everything.
B
F
B
B
O
A
maker
of
the
motion
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
cities,
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks,
is
16.
000
plus
rate
payers
are
the
ones
that
are
really
doing
well
and
it's
the
ones
that
are
with
the
private
companies,
where
residents
or
rate
payers
are
not
doing
as
well,
but
overall
for
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks.
H
C
B
C
B
N
You
mayor
Engler,
our
next
meeting
regularly
scheduled
will
be
two
weeks
from
tonight
on.
The
25th
of
October
I
currently
have
a
couple
of
items
that
are
moving
through
the
process,
our
update
to
our
building
code
that
we
do
over
a
couple
of
years,
so
that
will
be
a
municipal
code
Amendment
for
our
building
code.
N
We
also
have
the
follow-up
on
the
Self
Storage
moratorium
and
revised
Municipal
Code
amendment
that
went
to
Planning
Commission
last
night
and
again,
that
is
the
meeting
of
the
25th
two
weeks
from
tonight
and,
ironically,
because
I
think
it
happened.
One
other
time
that
we
were
talking
about
the
drought.
We
do
have
some
rain
that
somebody
texted
me
was
moving
through
town
right
now,
so
maybe
we
need
to
keep
talking
about
it
and
their
rental
keep
coming.
B
B
B
Catherine
was
born
down
in
Long
Beach,
her
family
moved
to
Santa,
Paula
and
Ventura,
where
she
attended
high
school
and
started.
College
Catherine
was
employed
by
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
as
a
customer
service
clerk
and
won
recognition
as
a
reliable,
dedicated
worker
that
managed
many
high-profile
projects
over
the
years
she
served
throughout
her
career.
B
Catherine
completed
her
bachelor's
degree
in
Business
Administration.
At
Cal
Lutheran
in
1988.
and
was
the
middle
of
what
was
the
middle
clu
graduate
in
her
family
between
her
two
daughters,
Catherine
was
an
avid
Gardener
loved
painting,
sewing
Ceramics
and
crafts
Catherine
delighted
in
making
costumes
for
Halloween
and
hosted
countless
events
for
school
and
youth
groups.
She
enjoyed
volunteering
at
reading
programs
and
children's
events
at
the
Thousand
Oaks
Library
Catherine
is
survived
by
her
two
daughters,
Ellen
and
Cheryl,
and
four
grandchildren.