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President,
we
have
no
request
for
continuance
and
no
special
presentation,
so
we
announce
the
public
comments.
Please.
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Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
One
individual
has
presented
a
card
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
The
yellow
light
displays
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
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Hello:
okay,
I'm
robin
britt,
the
executive
director
of
community
conscience
in
thousand
oaks,
and
I'm
here
to
give
you
some
updates
about
our
non-profit.
For
those
of
you
that
are
not
extremely
aware
of
us.
We
have
a
building
on
hillcrest
and
moore
park
where
we
provide
free
rent
to
13,
non-profit
organizations
in
one
location
which
ensures
they
can
keep
their
doors
open
and
provide
services
to
over
fifty
thousand
people
per
year.
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Well,
that's
right
back
at
you
robin!
Thank
you
for
all.
You
do
bless
you
dear
well!
I
believe
that
concludes
our
public
comments.
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
the
consent,
calendar.
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B
That
brings
us
to
item
8a
and
we
have
with
us
for
this
public
hearing
the
deputy
city
clerk
and
excuse
me
cliff
finley.
The
deputy
public
works
director.
But,
madam
clerk,
will
you
announce
the
public
hearing.
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A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
this
public
hearing,
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence.
For
the
record,
two
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
J
To
that
end,
the
tda
funds,
which
provide
the
bulk
of
our
funding
requiring
minimum
fare
box
contribution
from
the
users
of
the
service
and
then
for
the
last
budget
cycle
fiscal
year,
17,
18
and
18
19.
We
failed
to
meet
that
thresh
minimum
threshold
and,
as
a
result,
the
city
had
to
contribute
close
to
500
thousand
dollars
in
local
funds
to
offset
the
fare
box
shortfall
and
because
of
the
increased
contract
costs,
we
are
projecting
that
that
cre
that's
going
to
increase
to
nearly
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
the
next.
Next.
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Staff
is
proposing
a
50
50
increase
to
the
regular
fare,
but
an
actual
decrease
in
the
senior
disabled
affair
and
corresponding
increases
in
our
passes,
as
has
been
our
tradition,
transfers,
children
and
now
college
students
will
continue
to
be
able
to
use
the
service
for
free
and
students
in
grades.
1-12
will
benefit
from
a
pass
that
has
been
time.
Restricted
will
now
be
available
to
them
at
all
times.
J
Additionally,
we
want
to
introduce
two
new
past
programs,
one
geared
specifically
to
towards
low-income
seniors
and
students,
particularly
those
that
may
be
homeless
at
that
time.
That's
where
we
get
the
bulk
of
our
request
and
we
will
be
moving
forward
with
that
program
early
in
2020,
as
well
as
a
new
school-age
summer
bus
pass
program
to
complement
the
summer
beach
bus
program
that
we
already
offer
addition
to
fares.
We
also
are
looking
to
do
some
minor
trimming
of
our
service
hours.
Our
service
hours
were
extended
in
2012
saturday.
J
Similarly,
dialer
ride
service
also
has
very
low
ridership.
The
first
and
last
hour
of
the
service
day
with
the
five
to
six
am
hours
representing
less
than
one
person
per
hour
per
day,
so
we're
proposing
discontinuing
of
service
between
five
and
six
am
seven
and
8
p.m:
continuing
to
provide
full
weekend
service,
but
to
require
advanced
reservations.
J
We're
also
proposing
some
route
changes
to
improve
connectivity
and
also
switching
our
routes
from
being
loop
to
bi-directional,
which
should
speed
service
and
also
improve
connections
with
inner
city
services
and
then,
lastly,
some
minor
policy
changes
would
be
the
discontinuing
issuing
of
id
cards,
we're
the
only
agency
in
the
county
that
does
so
it's
an
inconvenience
to
user
and
it's
no
longer
necessary
and
some
switching
to
our
reservations
policies
to
make
them
more
convenient
and
less
costly
for
the
riders.
J
Noting
these
proposed
changes,
we
would
see
an
approximate
ninety
five
thousand
dollar
reduction
in
the
fare
box
shortfall
for
the
current
fiscal
year
and
close
to
a
270
000
dollar
reduction
in
the
fare
box
shortfall
for
the
following
a
fiscal
year,
provided
that
we
implement
all
these
policies.
J
Our
next
steps
will
be
to
if
council
approves
the
changes
and
to
make
those
changes
effective
on
january
6th,
we'll
conduct
additional
public
outreach
and
bring
the
advertising
proposal
back
to
city
council
in
early
2020
for
consideration
and
with
that
staff
is
available
for
any
questions.
H
I
did
have
a
quick
question:
the
proposed
red
route
or
the
changes
to
it.
What
exactly
are
the
changes
on
that
particular
route?.
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Number
that
was
provided
is
comparable
for
those
agencies
that
do
both
outside
vehicle
advertising,
as
well
as
advertising
at
transit
facilities
and
stops.
So
that
would
include,
for
instance,
the
shelter
stops.
We
can
customize
that
package,
depending
on
council's
preferences,
but
the
maximum
amount
of
funding
that
we
would
receive
would
be
from
outside
advertising.
Very
little
income
is
generated
from
inside
advertising,
particularly
with
the
ridership
that
we
have.
B
Thank
you
well
that'll
bring
us
to
the
public
speakers,
and
before
do
we
need
to
announce
that
no
we're
good,
I
did
want
to
say
we
have
one
written
statement
card
from
kiana
and
it's
very
nice.
Sometimes
when
people
write
very
kind
cards-
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
kiana,
we'll
pass
it
down
the
line.
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Morning,
good
afternoon,
that's.
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B
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I
would
say
that
that
you
shouldn't.
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B
H
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J
Mr
mayor
and
council
members,
yes,
I
would
remind
the
council,
the
canaan
shuttle
is
actually
a
service
that
we
operate
on
behalf
of
the
county
of
ventura,
and
so
we
merely
respond
to
their
requests.
I
will
be
happy
to
speak
to
the
resident
regarding
some
of
the
reasons
why
the
county
made
the
change
in
service.
J
In
general
terms,
we
are
working
towards
that
collectively
as
a
as
a
county
with
all
the
transit
agencies.
It
is
rather
an
expensive
proposition
and
does
add
to
the
cost
to
provide
the
service.
Okay,.
B
Mr
goldsmith
council
member
bill
de
la
pena,
I
wanted
to
ask
you
a
question:
if
it's
okay,
sure,
oh
you
had
a
question
for
staff.
I'm
sorry
go
ahead,
it's
up
for
you,
but
you
can
listen.
J
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B
C
Mayor
pro
tem
adam,
thank
you,
mayor,
hey
folks,
I'm
glad
you
came
down,
it's
obvious
that
people
depend
on
our
transit
system-
two
two
young
men
and
this
gentleman
here.
So
it's
good
that
you're
here
tonight
and
I'm
glad
that
you
brought
this
to
us.
You
know,
there's
a
trend
here
in
the
shortfall
it
has
to
be
addressed.
C
This
is
the
definition
of
fiscal
conservatism
which
we
pride
ourselves
on
and
you're,
taking
certain
measures
to
address
that
shortfall.
I
I
should
mention-
and
I
think
I'm
correct
here-
normal
fares
might
go
up
incrementally,
but
seniors
and
ada
riders
fares
will
actually
decrease.
They
will
decrease
and
how
about
kids
that
will
they
they
ride
for
a
discount
too?
Don't
they.
C
Fare
is
okay,
very
good,
so
yeah
these
are
measures
that
need
to
be
taken.
You
know
we,
the
only
alternative,
is
to
finance
it
through
the
general
fund,
which
would
be,
I
would
be
very
reluctant
to
do
because
then
you're
pulling
from
other
services.
So
with
that,
I
will
in
fact
move
that
we
approve
8a
this
evening,
and
I
appreciate
you
bringing
the
situation
to
us.
B
Thank
you
very
much
just.
H
J
B
Thank
you,
councilmember,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
nine
and
allocation
approval,
pre-screening
initiation
of
general
plan
amendment
request
for
concurrent
processing
for
a
37
unit
residential
project.
We
have
mark
town,
our
community
development
director,
but
I
want
to
share
with
the
folks
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
this.
We
have
got
a
number
of
speakers,
so
you've
probably
prepared
your
thoughts,
but
when
we
have
this
many
speakers,
we
reduce
it
to
two
minutes
so
try
to
collect
your
thoughts
between
now
and
when
your
time
to
speak
is
the
most
important,
pertinent
facts.
B
You
want
us
to
know,
put
those
in
a
two-minute
segment
if
you
would
just
we're
listening
but
bring
it
down
from
three
to
two.
If
you
would
all
right.
L
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council.
Before
I
start
my
presentation,
I
would
like
to
introduce
the
gentleman
to
my
left
ian
holt,
a
recent
addition
to
the
community
development
department,
a
senior
planner
case
planner
on
this
project.
Ian
brings
over
23
years
of
planning
experience
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Having
worked
previously
at
the
city
of
ventura,
oceanside
and
the
city
of
santa
cruz,
he
has
a
broad
background
in
planning,
including
general
plan
updates,
which
is
certainly
relevant.
L
So
with
that,
let's
proceed
so
the
item
before
you
tonight
really
involves,
first
and
foremost,
a
request
to
allocate
25
units
of
measuring
residential
capacity
to
a
property
located
at
3801.
Maurice
drive,
that's
the
first
request
in
this
image,
and
should
you
opt
to
allocate
the
units
then
steps
two
and
three
kick
in
two
being
initiation
of
an
amendment
to
the
general
plan,
land
use,
designation
from
commercial
to
medium
density,
residential
and
then
finally
allowing
concurrent
processing
of
entitlements
and
legislative
requests.
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Arena
road
is
the
the
street
proceeding
to
the
upper
right
and
maurice
is
the
street
proceeding
to
the
upper
left.
The
shopping
center
extends
obviously
to
the
north
and
you're.
Looking
in
this
image
at
the
back
of
the
albertson's
albertsons
market,.
L
So
this
is
an
image
from
our
general
plan.
Land
use
map,
and
this
is
the
current
pattern
of
land
uses
in
the
area.
As
you
can
see,
the
subject.
Property
is
red
that
denotes
that
it's
commercial.
Obviously,
it's
still
part
of
that
that
commercial
center,
technically
it
is
surrounded
by
a
variety
of
residential
land
uses
you
can
see
which
vary
from
medium
density
to
the
west
and
to
the
south
and
then
low
density
immediately
to
the
east
and
little
pocket
of
very
low
density.
L
L
So
this
is
the
proposed
land
use
designation
that
you
you
are
considering
tonight.
It
is
no
longer
proposed
to
be
high
density,
it's
proposed
to
be
median
density
and
obviously
that
matches
the
adjacent
land
use
densities
here
to
the
west
and
immediately
to
the
south,
on
both
sides
of
maurice
drive
closest
to
the
subject,
property.
L
L
L
So
this
is
an
image
that
shows
the
basis
for
the
proposed
unit
count.
This
is
important
because
25
units
are
proposed
from
the
measuring
pool
and
that's
a
function
of
the
medium
density
residential.
If
you
look
at
the
the
second
row
there,
the
basis
for
the
25
units
is
the
area
1.67
acres
times
the
maximum
density,
in
that
medium
density
range,
which
is
4.6
to
15
units
per
per
net
acre.
That
equates
to
25
units.
L
So
that's
your
base
density
now
the
applicant
is
including
several
affordable
units
and
those
units
based
on
the
number
and
the
income
category
qualify
them
for
a
density
bonus
under
state
and
local
law.
This
is
something
that
the
applicant
is
entitled
to.
It
is
a
legal
mandate
that
the
city
has
to
adhere
to.
L
If
this
goes
forward
and
the
the
number
of
units
and
the
income
category
equate
to
a
35
percent
density
bonus
for
this
particular
projects,
so
25
units
times
35
gives
you
nine
units,
those
are
the
density
bonus
units
and
what
that
is
really
the
underlying
principle
of
it.
L
We
have
discussed
this
with
the
applicants
and
of
those
three
units,
two
would
be
restricted
to
moderate
income
unit
and
that
would
leave
them
with
one
additional
market
rate
unit.
The
sum
of
those
three
numbers
is
how
we
get
to
the
37
units
that
are
proposed
tonight:
the
medium
density,
residential
land
use,
plus
the
density
bonus,
plus
the
three
units
that
are
requested
through
the
development
agreement.
L
L
This
aerial
photo
shows
the
approximate
footprints
for
the
buildings,
so
this
larger
building
in
the
back,
you
can
see
the
cursor
that
is,
the
apartment,
building,
basically
abutting
the
albertsons
market,
which
is
right
here
and
then
the
townhome
units
are
allocated
among
these
four
buildings,
one
facing
reno
road
and
three
alongside
maurice
drive.
L
The
taking
a
little
bit
deeper
dive,
the
design
concept
for
this
includes
10
town
homes,
that's
unchanged
since
the
prior
design
that
you
saw
in
may,
and
so
that
includes
two
townhome
units
along
arena,
road,
two
town
home
units
here
and
then
two
buildings
with
three
each
three
here:
three
there.
So
you
get
a
total
of
ten
that
has
not
changed.
L
What
has
changed
is
that
the
applicant
has
removed
ten
apartments
from
the
apartment
building
at
the
rear
of
the
project
so
before
the
apartments
were
37
and
count,
and
now
they
are
27
in
count.
Now
we
are
talking
about
a
mix
of
two
and
three-story
buildings.
Building
d
over
here
alongside
reno,
is
a
two-story
building.
L
Building
c
is
a
hybrid
of
two
stories
here
closest
to
reno
and
then
a
third
a
three-story.
I
should
say
right
here
and
then
buildings
b
and
building
b
on
both
of
them
are
three
stories
in
height
and
the
apartments
remain
at
three
stories
in
height
as
well.
L
So
in
terms
of
suitability
of
the
site
to
staff,
it
appears
to
be
a
a
good
place
for
residential
it's
adjacent
to
residential
areas.
As
I've
already
mentioned.
We
have
this
this
flood
plain
to
the
west,
with
with
mature
vegetation
screening
the
site
from
the
west.
L
It
is
also
clearly
within
walking
distance
to
commercial,
but
also
to
parks.
The
cypress
park
that
I
mentioned
to
the
patrol
ridge,
open
space,
there's
a
trailhead
just
down
reno
road
with
access
to
public
trails
and
then
there's
a
bus,
stop
adjacent
to
the
commercial
center
to
the
north,
so
those
are
all
pluses
in
terms
of
potential
residential
use.
The
other
factor
that
that
is
relevant
is
that
a
preliminary
analysis
of
traffic
indicated
that
that
a
residential
project
would
generate
significantly
less
traffic
than
a
commercial
project
on
the
same
site.
L
In
terms
of
the
design
quality
first,
I
wanted
to
review
the
site
plan.
The
city
has
a
space
allocation
formula.
We
call
it
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
building
coverage,
paved
area,
landscaping
and
open
space,
and
this
proposed
site
plan
meets
those
guidelines,
and
so
we
feel
that
that
in
that
respect,
it's
it's
an
appropriate
site
plan
and
layout.
L
L
The
parking
supply
exceeds
the
requirements
for
the
site
by
six
spaces,
93
or
63
are
required
and
and
69
are
provided,
and
then
finally,
you
may
recall
that
before
the
driveway
access
to
the
apartments
was
along
this
private
road-
this
is
the
commercial
driveway
to
the
back
of
the
shopping
center
over
here
on
the
right
side
and
before
that,
driveway
to
the
apartments
was,
was
essentially
laying
over
that
that
alignment
there
were
concerns
about
vehicular
conflicts,
particularly
with
trucks,
making
deliveries,
so
that
driveway
has
been
moved.
L
L
Now,
as
we
talk
about
the
apartments
in
terms
of
of
design
quality,
we
think
this
is
a
a
good
starting
point
for
the
architectural
design.
Again.
This
is
very
early
in
this
in
the
process,
but
the
design
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
variation
in
wall
planes.
There
are
balconies
and
patios
throughout
the
project,
including
balconies
here
at
the
apartment.
L
Building
a
nice
variation
in
in
design
and
materials
and
articulation
the
building
in
the
upper
left
would
be
the
view
of
the
apartments
without
the
without
the
townhomes
in
the
foreground
from
reno
road.
The
image
in
the
upper
right
is
looking
the
other
way
from
that
driveway.
I
just
mentioned
that's
albertson's
on
the
left,
so
you're
looking
toward
reno
and
then
the
bottom
elevation
is
the
south
elevation,
which
would
be
the
side
toward
maurice.
L
This
is
a
cross-section
of
the
apartment.
Building
the
apartment
building
height
has
been
reduced
slightly
from
35
feet
to
32
feet,
9
inches,
as
shown
in
this
exhibit.
You
can
see.
It's
still.
Three
stories,
but
the
the
parking
area
below
below
the
structure
is
slightly
sunken
below
grade
to
ensure
that
the
height
of
the
building
is
consistent
with
the
albertsons.
L
Now
we
shift
gears
to
the
town
homes,
as
I
mentioned
before,
they're
a
combination
of
two
and
three
stories
again
with
respect
to
the
three-story
town
homes.
The
maxim
height
was
reduced
from
35
feet
in
the
prior
design
to
32
feet
in
the
current
design.
We
think
the
architecture,
as
I
mentioned
before
is
is
good.
It's
compatible
with
the
the
area
and
then
also.
L
L
L
L
The
proposal
before
you
tonight
includes
three
very
low
income
units
and
two
moderate
income
units
which
equates
to
20
percent
of
the
the
base
density
of
25
units
and
just
to
keep
this
or
make
this
more
real
for
a
two-person
household.
This
is
based
on
the
most
recent
numbers
for
somebody
to
qualify
for
a
very
low
income
unit.
L
That
would
be
somebody
that
that
would
earn
up
to
almost
42
000
a
year.
This
I'm
sorry
for
a
two-person
household,
and
that
is
a
an
income
that,
according
to
the
state's
numbers,
is
typical
for
food
servers,
bank
tellers,
child
care,
workers,
home
health
care
aides
and
many
others.
But
that's
what
we
mean
by
very
low
income.
L
Somebody
could
earn
up
to
41
850
and
still
qualify
as
part
of
a
two-person
household,
a
two-person
household
in
the
moderate
income
limit,
which
are
the
other
two
units
that
that
a
couple
could
earn
up
to
almost
ninety
four
thousand
dollars,
which
is
typical
for
basically
all
of
our
teachers.
Elementary
and
secondary
included.
L
The
very
low
income
units
would
help
to
meet
part
of
our
outstanding.
The
city's
outstanding
need
in
this
category,
as
dictated
by
the
state
that
would
decrease
from
51
to
48
units
if
this
goes
forward,
so
community
benefits.
There
are
three
broad
community
benefits,
as
I
mentioned
before.
Residential
use.
Here,
I
think,
is
it
appears
to
be
a
more
appropriate
use
than
commercial
than
a
small
commercial
center
or
a
small
strip
mall
of
sorts.
L
Given
the
the
fact
that
there
is
residential
on
three
sides,
it
would
provide
obviously
additional
market
rate
housing
as
well
as
affordable
options
for
a
limited
number
of
residents,
and
that,
as
I
mentioned
before,
would
would
comprise
five
affordable
units,
which
is
twenty
percent
of
of
the
base
density.
That's
that's!
L
L
So
we're
almost
to
the
end.
This
is
a
summary
of
the
prior
concept
and
the
current
concept.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
go
through
this,
because
it
is
a
summary
of
what
I
just
described,
but
in
terms
of
number
of
units
from
left
to
right.
The
previous
concept
had
47
units
proposed
now,
it's
37.,
obviously
a
10
unit
reduction,
that's
about
20
percent
fewer
units.
As
I
mentioned,
the
townhome
units
have
gone
from
35
to
32
units
for
the
three-story
models.
A
three
three
foot
reduction.
L
L
L
If
this
goes
forward,
the
next
step
would
be
a
pre-application,
a
meeting
with
staff
and
then
a
formal
application
which
would
be
a
batch
of
of
entitlements
and
legislative
actions,
the
zone
change,
general
plan
change,
etc.
The
actual
design
for
the
buildings
that
would
be
evaluated,
an
environmental
assessment
would
be
done,
and
then
that
would
all
be
taken
to
the
planning
commission
for
review
and
recommendation
and
then
finally,
back
to
you
for
a
final
action.
L
L
One
of
the
caveats
is
that
the
applicant
is
required
to
submit
their
formal
application
within
12
months
and
then,
if
you
do
have
to
do
that,
then
the
second
and
third
items
again
become
relevant
and
that
is
to
initiate
the
general
plan
amendment
to
change
the
use
from
commercial
to
medium
density,
residential
and
allow
that
concurrent
processing,
and
with
that
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
And
again
mr
holt
to
my
left
is
also
available
for
questions,
as
is
kathy
naum
to
to
my
left,
our
local
traffic
expert.
F
Thank
you
mayor.
Just
a
quick
question.
You
were
mentioning
the
traffic
issues
and
whatnot.
Currently
the
property
is
zoned
for
a
commercial.
F
Is
that
correct,
that's
correct,
so
the
commercial
then
would
have
a
higher
traffic
use
than
the
residential,
and
is
that
take
into
account
surge?
You
know
that,
during
during
the
peak
hours
when
everybody
would
leave
for
work
and
that
sort
of
thing
is
that
still
representative
of
the
25
percent,
less
usage.
H
L
And
we
we
have
seen
some
initial
numbers
that
are
north
of
3
000,
but
we
won't
know
the
final
number.
Until
probably
january
the
state
h,
department
of
housing
and
community
development
has
issued
their
final
number
for
the
skag
region,
which
is
about
1.34
million
units
which
is
significantly
higher
than
our
last
arena
cycle.
L
H
L
L
C
Thank
you,
mayor
yeah,
I
mean
as
far
as
traffic.
Your
projections
show
that
there'd
be
a
75
reduction
in
traffic
from
a
commercial
to
a
residential
project.
I
think
I
have
here
over
a
thousand
car
trips,
commercial
versus
a
couple
of
hundred
residential.
So
that's
pretty
significant.
I
would
think
right.
C
Okay,
hey
on
that
density,
bonus
business,
the
applicant's
applying
for
a
density
bonus,
it's
a
it's
a
legitimate
way
to
reward
someone
who
wants
to
is
willing
to
put
in
affordable
housing.
M
L
C
It
is
state
law
and
finally,
we
met
in
may
on
this
project
and
we
elicited
some
concerns
about
it
and
now
here
we
are
in
october
for
the
third
time,
would
you
say
that
those
concerns
that
this
well
actually
staff
and
city
council
had
have
been
addressed
in
this
third
iteration.
L
I
would
say
yes,
because
the
number
of
units
has
been
significantly
reduced.
The
from
47
to
37
the
driveway
has
been
relocated.
L
The
built
the
three-story
building
elements
for
both
the
homes
and
the
apartments
have
been
reduced
by
about
two
to
three
feet
and
the
affordable
mix
is
more
relevant
to
the
city's
needs.
We
don't
need
currently
moderate
income
units
to
satisfy
reno.
L
F
L
Very
low
units
today
do
now
having
said
that,
these
are
the
trigger,
for
these
is
issuance
of
time
of
building
permits
so,
depending
on
the
the
project's
time
frame
and
schedule,
that's
when
we
will
actually
be
credited
with
those
units,
but
typically
very
low
and
low
income
units
are
much
more
difficult
to
to
provide
for
a
city
to
provide
than
moderate
income
units.
Yes,.
F
Engler,
thank
you
mayor.
Just
a
a
question
on
the
the
housing
that
is
going
to
be
below
market
rate.
Where
is
it
located
within
the
this
might
be
a
better
question
for
the
applicant,
but
where
is
it
located
within?
The
proposed
development
is
what
some
of
the
townhouses
are
all
in
the
apartment
units
or
where?
Where
do
they
propose
to
put
those.
L
The
the
exact
location
is
not
determined
yet,
but
typically
affordable
units
are
part
of
the
apartment
mix.
They
are
easier
to
manage
from
a
long-term
perspective
than
ownership
units,
and
so
the
the
spatial
location
has
not
been
defined
yet,
but
typically,
those
are
those
are
part
of
the
the
apartment
mix.
B
L
L
Yeah,
my
my
apology,
so
the
pre-application
is
a
meeting
between
staff
and
the
applicant
to
identify
concerns
if
there's
any
technical
issues
with
the
with
the
project
and
also
to
ensure
that
it
reflects
any
direction
from
city
council
with
regard
to
to
refinements
that
then
becomes
a
formal
application
package
and
that
is
available
for
public
review.
L
The
pre-app
is
available
for
public
review
as
well.
These
documents
are
all
all
here
at
city
hall
and
that
application
then
becomes
the
basis
for
the
environmental
review
process.
So
we
would
probably
be
doing
for
this
type
of
a
project,
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration,
which
is
a
which
is
an
environmental
document
that
takes
significant
and
that's.
L
L
Obviously
the
public
has
an
additional
opportunity
at
the
planning
commission
meeting
to
provide
input
and
then
the
commission
may
offer
further
refinements
and
then
we'll
send
it
to
city
council
and
then
obviously
you
have
the
final
saying
and
can
make
changes
at
that
point,
but
typically
the
the
the
the
majority
of
changes
are
made
prior
to
it
becoming
or
coming
to
you
for
the
final
action.
B
Thank
you,
mr
town.
At
this
time
we're
going
to
have
the
applicant
cher
and
tom
cohen,
I
think
you're
up
is
that
right,
yes,
mr
cohen,
and
then
following
mr
cohen,
do
are
we
gonna
do
the
five
minute
rebuttal
or
we
do
the
public
speakers?
First,
okay,
I
got
it.
N
N
N
Since
then,
we've
heard
both
the
neighbors
and
the
city
council
loud
and
clear,
and
since
we
have
since
conducted
several
outreach
meetings
with
the
neighbors
mr
gallagher,
he
led
those
discussions
and
he's
here
to
talk
to
you
about
those
meetings.
If
you
would
like
to
ask
him
some
questions
as
a
result
of
those
outreach
meetings
and
the
direction
given
by
the
city
council
at
its
may
21st
meeting,
we've
made
some
significant
changes
that
you've
heard
I'm
going
to
outline
them
once
again.
N
H
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy.
Good
evening,
mr
cohen,
I
had
a
question
regarding
the
townhouses
you're,
proposing
ten
townhouses
we're
not
that's
part
of
the
zoning.
I
guess,
but
really
why
we're
here
tonight
is
for
the
allocation
of
units
apartment
units
from
measure
e.
That's
is
that,
would
that
include
the
townhouses
then
as
well.
O
H
Okay,
so
what,
as
as
it's
currently
proposed,
the
townhouses
would
be
market
rate,
what
would
be
the
sales
value
of
those
homes.
N
That
would
be
tough
to
say
because
those
are
two
to
three
years
out,
but
I
imagine
that
we
really
don't
have
an
idea
they're
about
eighteen
hundred
square
feet
to
two
thousand
square
feet
in
size,
they're,
three
bedroom
units-
I
I
haven't
done
any
kind
of
a
market
analysis,
but
I'm
guessing
those
are
sixes
sevens.
Something
like
that.
F
Columbus
cohen,
during
the
presentation
by
by
staff,
they
mentioned
that
the
setbacks
were
going
to
be
reduced
somewhat
on
the
raynor
roadside.
Have
you
done
any
studies
or
any
any
projections
as
to
what
that's
going
to
do
to
any
visibility
for
traffic
leaving
from
maurice
on
to
reno?
Is
there
going
to
be
any
impact
there?
We
don't.
N
We
don't
believe
so,
but
that
will
be
studied
for
certain
when
we
get
further
into
the
details
of
these
plans,
but
we
cannot
have
any.
We
cannot
create
any
safety
concerns
at
that
corner.
It's
too
important
and
we've
obviously
heard
that
that's
very
important
to
the
residents.
So
no,
yes,
we
will
be
looking
at
that,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
we
will
and
with
staff
they
will
make
sure
that
we're
not
having
any
impact
on
sight
lines.
B
Any
other
questions
from
council
all
right
at
this
moment.
We're
gonna
have
the
public
speakers
so
again,
two
minutes
and
and
we're
really
looking
for
some
insights
from
y'all
we're
grateful
you're
here
as
you've
heard
from
the
staff
it's
a
long
process.
This
isn't
the
final
situation
as
a
city
we're
looking
at
it
and
we're
so
grateful
you're
here.
So
with
that
being
said,
please
stay
within
the
two-minute
realm
and
we're
going
to
begin
with
jared
freilich.
A
Thank
you,
council
members.
This
project
still
doesn't
work
for
the
neighborhood.
I
appreciate
mr
cohen's
efforts
to
shoehorn
in
37
units
instead
of
47,
but
what
he's
taken
is
a
medium
density
proposal
with
that
25
unit
number
and
really
turned
it
into
something
else.
That's
probably
more
correctly
called
high
density,
because
when
you
add
those
12
bonus
density
units,
you
don't
have
medium
density
anymore.
You
now
are
back
into
the
realm
of
high
density
and
we
can
call
it
a
benefit
or
an
incentive
and
that's
fine.
A
I
get
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
dealing
with
that
traffic
and
that
additional
density
in
their
neighborhood
is
us
and
it's
not
going
to
be
medium
density,
which
was
the
will
and
of
the
city
council
last
time,
as
well
as
the
voice
of
the
community.
Last
time
it
still
is
the
voice
and
we've
been
asking
for
the
same
thing,
make
it
match
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
joseph
klimowicz
you're
next
and
then
followed
by
janelle
cloose.
A
A
A
Thousand
oaks
has
portrayed
itself
as
a
low-density
community.
It's
a
limited
growth
community
and
this
seems
to
be
at
least
in
the
past.
It
has,
but
that
with
this
project
here,
I
think
it'll
change
the
whole
base
of
the
whole
nature
of
the
community
newberry
park
thousand
oaks.
Anyway.
I'm
very
much
opposed
to
the
to
the
program.
B
M
M
M
M
Most
of
the
twin
oaks
residents
are
afraid
of
the
not
happy
about
the
increase
in
traffic
and
noise
and
parking.
Our
streets
are
private
and
we
are
concerned
that
the
overflow
parking
will
be
directly
on
our
streets.
M
The
fact
that
he
is
asking
for
multiple
code
variances
indicates
that
there
are
still
too
many
units
for
a
property
of
this
size,
and
we
would
ask
that
that
the
board
keep
it
at
25
units
maximum.
Thank
you.
A
Good
evening,
good
evening,
my
name
is
gary
pugh
I
live
on
mountain
creek
drive
I've
lived
there
since
2003..
A
I
did
a
bit
of
calculations
or
lot
sizes
in
the
neighborhood
that
I
live
in
range
between
6
000
and
29
000
square
feet.
The
current
density
is
2.9
homes.
In
my
neighborhood,
the
current
proposal
is
37.
Homes,
which
equates
to
a
density
of
22..
A
Currently,
the
traffic
congestion
on
people
trying
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
from
maurice
onto
torino
is
difficult
right
now,
with
these
additional
units
and
families,
making
a
left-hand
turn
is
going
to
be
next
to
impossible,
particularly
the
way
they
have
the
ingress
into
the
their
complex
they're
going
to
have
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
onto
maurice,
which
is
going
to
be
next
to
impossible
because
of
the
backflow
of
people.
Already
there.
A
One
additional
point
is
that
the
sorry,
the
surrounding
areas,
what
is
it?
The
twin
oaks
and
oak
creek
canyon
neighborhoods,
are
going
to
end
up
having
people
go
through
their
neighborhood
and
those
people
have
a
lot
of
children
running
around
on
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks.
It's
going
to
be
much
more
hazardous
for
those
people.
B
And
folks
after
you
make
your
public
comments,
if
you'd
stick
around
you'll
get
a
chance,
we'll
have
the
chance
to
ask
staff
and
then
interact
with
some
of
the
concerns
you've
raised.
So
we
can
get
feedback.
So
please
stick
around
good
evening.
Ma'am.
H
Good
evening
my
name
is
lauren
gill.
I
live
in
newbury
park
where,
as
across
the
entire
city
of
thousand
oaks,
we
have
an
urgent
need
for
housing
and
in
particular,
for
affordable
housing,
we're
fortunate
in
newbury
park
to
have
an
unused
parcel.
That's
in
walking
distance
of
schools,
shopping
and
services
and
a
developer
ready
to
erect
the
housing
that
we
need.
H
H
H
H
B
B
B
P
Evening,
mayor
mccoy
city,
council,
members
and
staff-
I'm
here
this
evening
to
speak
out
against
the
cohen
family
partnership
residential
project
at
3801,
maurice
drive
the
last
meeting
regarding
this
issue
on
may
21st.
You
voted
not
to
greenlight
this
project.
It
was
deemed
too
high
density
and
you
asked
mr
cohen
to
significantly
reduce
the
scale
of
the
project.
He
did
not
heed
your
instructions.
P
I
realize
that
governor
newsom
recently
passed
senate
bill
330,
putting
pressure
on
california
cities
for
more
affordable
housing,
and
I
also
know
that
you
recently
passed
plans
for
210
apartments
and
a
hotel
at
the
old
timber
school
location
on
newberry
road.
I
thought
we
were
a
city
in
favor
of
slow
growth.
P
P
Miss
mavidy
from
newberry
park
wrote
this
development
will
be
unaffordable
to
most
families
and
will
lead
to
congestion
and
traffic
on
small
streets.
Not
billed
for
this,
william
bass
from
newberry
park
wrote.
We
do
not
need
more
cramped
housing
in
this
neighborhood
or
the
additional
traffic
in
the
local
intersections
nikki
jones
wrote.
I've
lived
here
long
enough
to
have
seen
you
solely
take
away
our
open
land.
The
area
wasn't
zoned
as
residential.
Please
do
not
impose
this
on
us.
P
M
Hello
hi,
my
husband-
and
I
are
here
to
do
our
pen
and
teller
act
again,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
showing
up
on
the
reader.
I
spoke
to
a
number
of
neighbors
in
going
door
to
door,
many
of
whom
were
not
aware.
This
issue
was
even
coming
back
to
council
because
the
developer
had
not
reached
out
to
them.
M
Another
set
of
neighbors
felt
that
there
was
no
point
in
showing
up,
because
this
is
a
fade
accompli
and
their
input
makes
no
difference,
but
calling
this
project
medium
density
is
misleading
and
inaccurate
at
22
units
per
acre.
That
falls
into
the
same
category
as
high
density,
which
is
15
plus
to
30
units
per
acre.
M
M
Here's
another
photo
showing
the
contrast
between
brighton
lane
at
25
feet
high
in
the
neighboring
houses.
The
development
we're
talking
about
would
be
seven
to
ten
feet
higher
than
this
and
would
not
fit
in
our
neighborhood
the
parking
spaces.
The
five
proposed
parking
spaces
in
the
albertson's
driveway
are
a
real
problem.
We
have
delivery
trucks
going
in
and
out
all
day
long,
in
addition
to
smaller
delivery
vehicles
and
trucks,
picking
up
food
for
the
needy,
and
that
goes
on
all
day.
M
The
other
issue
is
we're
talking
about
code
waivers,
15
percent,
less
open
space
in
this
development
than
the
rpd
guidelines
for
high
density,
seven
to
ten
feet
taller
than
the
rpd
guidelines,
five
percent,
more
structure
coverage
than
rpd
guidelines
for
high
density
and
three
more
units
than
the
maximum
density
under
the
rpd.
Even
with
the
bonuses
included,
the
city
isn't
under
any
obligation
to
grant
these
extra
units.
M
These
apartments
aren't
gonna,
be
subject
to
the
new
state,
rent
control
law
and
there's
been
no
commitment
to
affordable
pricing
for
the
rental
units
or
the
town
homes,
which
could
be
well
in
excess
of
these
figures
here
and
then
we
don't
know
where
the
exceptions
are
going
to
stop
to
this
patchwork
development
model.
It's
a
slippery
slope
we're
going
down
and
if
we
don't
look
at
the
city
as
a
whole,
our
community
is
going
to
be
lost.
One
development
at
a
time.
B
Thank
you.
We
have
the
packet
by
the
way
it
was.
It
was
extended
to
us.
So
thank
you
so
much
robert
you're
up
and
then
following
you
will
be
brandon
holzberger
good
evening,
sir.
K
K
K
K
K
The
apartment
building
was
reduced
from
three
stories
to
two,
but
that's
a
reduction
of
about
three
feet
in
height
because
the
former
underground
parking
is
now
half
above
ground.
So
it
really
didn't
reduce
the
size
of
that
building.
Now
they
did
remove
the
entrance
on
the
albertson's
driveway.
However,
there
still
remains
in
the
proposal,
five
to
seven
parking
spaces
along
that
driveway,
which
are
just
waiting
for
some
driver
to
back
into
a
big
rig
or
to
run
over
some
child
on
a
skateboard
neighbors
suggestions.
K
There
were
many
neighbors
suggestions
and
I
sat
through
basically
all
of
these
meetings.
Neighbors
made
very
good
suggestions,
let's
limit
it
to
town
homes,
let's
put
in
homes
like
brighton
lane,
that's
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
I
quite
frankly
had
suggested.
This
is
an
ideal
place
to
put
housing
for
seniors
because
they
don't
have
many
cars.
They
can
walk
to
albertsons,
two
drug
stores,
a
bank,
a
hairdressing
place
starbucks
and
even
a
martial
arts
studio.
Maybe.
K
P
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
city,
council,
members,
friends,
neighbors,
I'm
just
a
pretty
simple
person,
just
an
average
newberry
park,
mom
with
kids,
we
walk
our
dogs
in
the
neighborhood,
our
kids
play
at
cypress
park
nightly.
We
walk
to
albertsons
to
starbucks.
Sometimes
we
very
much
enjoy
our
low
density
neighborhood
and
when
we're
talking
about
density
issues
and
this
being
a
medium
density
project,
I
think
we
all
can
agree
that
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
medium
density
project.
P
It's
going
to
be
a
high
density
project,
call
it
what
you
want,
but
that's
what
it's
going
to
be
the
entrance
to
the
project.
All
of
those
other
aspects.
Yes,
we
can
do
that,
but
the
bottom
line
is
we're
not
just
talking
about
this
development,
we're
talking
also
about
adopting
a
project
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we're
making
a
general
plan.
P
Amendment
that's
huge,
and
I
would
certainly
hope
that,
as
a
council
representing
our
low-density
neighborhoods,
that
you
could
find
a
better
general
plan
amendment
that
would
give
us
an
opportunity
to
provide
more
than
two
low-income
housing
units
and
three,
I'm
sorry.
Three
low-income
housing
units
and
two
moderate
income
housing
units.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
so
much
jeff
you're
up
and
then
following
you
will
be
melanie
rudis
good
evening.
B
A
In
the
height
of
the
neighborhood
around
it
right
now,
it's
re,
it's
zoned
commercial,
so
you
could
build
commercial
height
there,
but
since
you're
going
to
change
the
zoning
to
the
residential,
it
should
conform
to
residential
height
limits.
So
it's
about
eight
feet
at
minimum
too
high
for
the
neighborhood.
A
Also,
the
fact,
if
you
have,
if
you're
forced
to
raise
the
density
to
37
units
because
of
state
law,
I'd
like
you
to
see
to
deny
the
whole
proposal
to
put
it
back
to
commercial
leave
it
the
way
it
is.
You
know,
because
you're
if
your
hands
are
tied,
37
years
is
just
too
dense
for
the
neighborhood
and
if
you
can't
change
that
by
law,
let's
leave
it
as
a
commercial
piece
of
property.
A
I
you
know
that's,
I
think
that'd
be
more
useful
for
the
neighborhood.
Also
the
fact
that
you're
building
a
huge
project
of
rental
units
on
newbury
road,
you're,
addressing
your
rental
units
and
low-income
housing
in
the
interim
and
see,
let's
see
how
that
affects
the
density
of
the
neighborhood,
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
in
the
area.
Now,
when
that
gets
built.
B
P
Hi,
my
name
is
melanie
rudis,
I'm
a
lifetime
resident
here
in
the
canada
valley
and
a
canelo
valley,
unified
or
a
teacher
in
the
canada
valley
unified
school
district.
This
is
the
third
time
I've
been
here.
I
never
thought
I
would
be
a
regular
at
a
regular
speaker
at
the
city
council
meetings,
but
anyway,
here
I
am.
After
the
last
meeting,
we
all
breathed
a
sigh
of
relief.
It
was
agreed
upon
that
this
piece
of
land
would
hold
no
more
than
25
units
and
match
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
P
We
trusted
that
we
had
reached
a
compromise.
A
compromise
is
when
both
sides
don't
get
exactly
what
they
want.
The
developer
wants
a
three-story
apartment
building.
We
want
a
community
park
or
pool
thus
a
compromise,
there's
a
reason
that
we
live
at
the
foothills
of
these
beautiful
mountains,
because
we
don't
want
to
live
next
to
an
apartment
complex.
P
I
was
very
surprised
to
find
out
that
the
new
plan
was
that
was
was
not
agreed
upon
at
the
last
meeting
at
all.
It
was
still
an
apartment
building
and
it
was
not
25
units
but
37,
not
medium
density
at
all
and
it
didn't
match
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
The
surrounding
neighborhood
is
single-family
detached
homes
with
private
garages.
P
I
understand
the
need
for
low-income
housing,
but
this
need
for
a
few
should
not
derail
what
has
previously
been
agreed
upon
and
greatly
increase
congestion
for
the
majority.
Keep
this
development
within
25
units
and
designate
a
portion
of
those
for
low
income.
The
complete
disregard
by
the
developer,
to
not
follow
the
guidelines
previously
discussed
is
unacceptable.
P
It
is
disrespectful
to
the
residents
the
city
council
members
and
to
this
process.
We
were
all
taking
time
away
from
our
family
to
discuss
a
topic
that
I
thought
we
had
resolved.
My
eight-year-old
daughter
had
her
own
opinions
on
this
subject
and
I
told
her
that
she
is
a
resident
and
her
opinion
matters
just
as
much
as
anybody
else's.
So
I
submitted
a
letter
on
her
behalf
tonight.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
A
I'm
an
18-year
resident
of
oak
creek
canyon
and
I'm
going
to
speak.
Many
of
our
neighbors
can
attend
at
this
time,
and
this
is
for
oak
creek,
canyon,
brighton,
lane,
twin
oaks.
A
A
One,
why
would
you
consider
building
a
project
with
more
units
than
brighton
lane
or
twin
oaks?
When
we
all
clearly
know
there
is
not
enough
parking
or
adequate
traffic
planning
for
them?
Okay,
that's!
What's
already
there
brighton
lane
and
twin
oaks,
you're
trying
to
put
more
units
on
a
corner,
that's
a
complete
blind
s
curve.
When
you
look
at
reno
drive,
okay,
that's
a
disaster,
and
I
know
there's
some
hocus
pocus
about
traffic
planning
this
and
that,
but
that's
all
like
a
hypothesis
or
a
head
game.
A
What's
already,
there
is
too
much
and
we're
caving
in
and
here's
the
thing.
Why
are
we
even
changing
the
zoning?
You
know
why?
Let's
leave
it
be
we
if
he
wants
to
change
it
because
he
can't
get
something
in
there.
We're
saying
brighton
lane
is:
is
a
beautiful
development
put
that
over
there
on
the
lot,
but
then
there's
this
game
about
this
apartment
in
this
gimmick
about
this
density
stuff.
That's
some
head
fake,
hocus,
pocus,
gimmick
to
ram
a
high
density
project
down
our
throat
and
it's
wrong.
A
B
A
Good
evening,
good
evening,
councilman
and
mayor
staff,
my
name
is
mickey
reiser.
I
live
on
the
corner
of
woodland,
oak
and
reno.
Our
development
is
only
about
20
homes.
Unfortunately,
mine
is
on
the
corner
and
six
of
my
windows
in
my
backyard
and
my
side
look
at
the
project,
I'm
178
feet.
The
last
time
I
was
here
I
said
I
was
about
within
the
500
foot
limit
and
I
wasn't
notified
well,
I'm
178
feet
from
my
backyard
window
to
this
project.
A
My
issue
was
that
I
wanted
to
find
out
from
two
different
commercial
excuse
me,
residential
realtors,
of
what
the
value
of
my
house
is
now
and
what
it
may
be
if
we
get
high
density
in
there,
so
I
called
in-
and
I
won't
mention
names,
caldwell
banker
and
keller
williams.
I
had
two
agents
come
and
visit
me
and
they
gave
me
the
approximate
values
of
my
house
and
what
houses
were
selling
for
and
then
I
hit
them
with
this
and
they
said
well,
you
have
to
disclose
that
this
is
going
on.
A
If
you
put
your
home
up
for
sale,
I
says
no,
I
got
to
be
honest
with
you.
This
is
my
retirement
home,
but
if
I
had
to
sell
it,
I
own
a
house
in
brighton
lane
across
the
way
with
my
daughter
and
I'm
really
curious,
because
it
affects
two
properties
and
they
said
well,
quite
frankly,
what
would
happen?
Is
we
don't
know
in
a
year
or
two
years
when
it's
built
or
three
years
what
property
values
will
be,
but
there's
a
good
chance
that
the
property
value
would
not
increase.
B
Jackson,
piper
with
john
fowler
jackson,
piper,
will
follow.
I'm
sorry
about
that.
Mr
fowler.
That's.
Q
Q
So
housing
is
what
we
do
and
what
we
know-
and
I
just
when
we
came
here
tonight,
because
I
want
to
talk
about
the
fact
that
we
know
that
there's
a
housing
crisis
in
california,
and
particularly
in
this
city,
and
that
we
know
that
we
have
a
governor
who's,
quite
serious,
about
producing
3.5
million
homes
by
2025..
Q
The
arena
numbers
that
you
were
asking
about
are
doubling
for
jurisdictions.
That's
basically,
we
may
not
have
them
for
a
thousand
oaks
yet,
but
they're
going
to
double,
and
so
it's
a
serious
number
and
we
have
to
rise
to
that
occasion,
and
we
do
know
that
the
low
and
the
very
low
numbers
are
the
extremely
hard
ones
to
hit.
So
while
we
all
want
more
of
them,
this
project
does
include
those,
so
every
city
that
we
operate
in,
I
would
say,
and
be
bold,
every
probably
every
city
realizes.
Q
Q
That
said,
he's
serious,
there's
a
whole
another
slew
of
bills
that
are
coming
through.
There
are
basically
looking
at
if
cities
aren't
going
to
rise
to
this
level,
there
there's
going
to
be
more
bills
and
they're
going
to
be
passing
as
far
as
trying
to
let
applicants
go
directly
to
the
state
and
bypass
the
city's
jurisdictions
and
and
authorities
we
need
to.
We
need
to
realize
that
and
and
realize
that's
what's
coming
down.
So
I
ask
you
to
support
measure
e
allocation
of
these
units
you're
still
going
to
have
1100
units
left.
Q
This
is
a
good
project
and
there's
an
appropriate
location
for
more
housing.
The
project
will
be
required
to
meet
all
the
city
requirements
for
traffic
and
noise
and
all
the
other
things
if
you
allow
it
to
move
forward.
I
hope
the
council
will
find
the
courage
to
move
this
project
forward
and
other
projects
like
this
in
the
city
and
meet
our
local
housing
needs.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
O
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak,
I'm
a
member,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
unincorporated
area,
but
I
use
shops
in
the
community.
I
consider
myself
part
of
this
community,
so
I
wanted
to
speak
my
mind
about
this.
O
Municipalities
have
just
basically
done
the
bare
minimum
to
provide
housing
that
was
needed
at
the
time
that
projects
were
proposed
and
allowed
development
to
be
cut
down
to
an
acceptable
size
for
the
community,
and
the
net
effect
of
this
is
that
we
are
now
so
very
deeply
in
housing,
crisis
and
homelessness
crisis
that
it
will
take
us
probably
decades
to
recover.
O
I'm
asking
the
council
to
consider
that
this
project,
well,
it
may
not
fit
in
with
the
current
character
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
is
necessary
to
provide
more
housing
for
people
that
want
to
live
in
the
community
that
may
not
be
able
to
afford
to
now
and
that
the
concerns
about
traffic
noise
well
valid
are
being
addressed,
50
more
cars
on
the
road
at
any
one
time
from
this
unit,
or
this
development
will
not
really
notice
not
be
noticeable
to
anyone
on
the
roads
that
are
designed
for
thousands
of
cars
to
travel
per
hour.
R
You
could
just
keep
the
projector
on
I'd,
appreciate
it
I'd.
Just
like
you
all
to
see
your
own
words.
We've
been
here
two
times
already.
We've
already
had
a
lot
of
the
same
arguments.
Nothing
much
has
changed.
You
all
agreed
that
it
wasn't
fitting
for
our
neighborhood.
These
are
your
words.
R
Mr
cohen
also
agreed
that
he
was
willing
to
reduce
the
need
for
the
apartment
get
rid
of
the
apartment
complex.
He
could
build
his
own
town
homes.
He
said
he
had
no
issue
with
that.
We
expected
that
would
be
the
case.
We
trusted
you.
We
trusted
him
and
we
were
let
down
at
least
by
one
party
so
far,
and
we
hope
that
you
guys
will
honor
what
we've
already
discussed.
Time
and
time
again,
the
community
is
getting
worn
thin
at
this
point,
the
size
of
the
building
has
not
decreased.
R
Three
feet
is
still
monolithic
to
councilman
anglers
terms,
there's
not
a
significant
change
in
the
layout
of
this
project
and
the
two
very
low
density
income
units.
I
think
the
timberline
project
probably
does
a
lot
more
benefit
to
this
town
than
these
two
units
will
and
if
he
wants
to
encourage,
I
encourage
him
to
build
town
homes
that
have
very
low
income.
What
I
would
like
you
to
see,
though,
is
the
reality
of
the
parking
and
the
traffic
issue
directly
across
the
street
is
garden
view
terrace
on
lost
police
drive.
They
too
have
a
garage.
R
R
R
I
understand
it's
pretty
lengthy
and
I
appreciate,
if
you
did
a
lot
of
my
concerns
were
raised
there,
I'm
trying
to
summarize
them,
because
I
didn't
get
a
lot
of
response,
but
we've
we've
spoken
out
we're
willing
to
come
to
a
compromise,
we're
willing
to
work,
but
we're
not
being
shown
that
we've
been
shown
that
we're
not
being
regarded
we're
being
disregarded
and
that
we're
just
gonna
get
walked
all
over
and
that's
not
appropriate.
Thank
you.
B
B
G
Hi,
I
am
a
homeowner
in
the
oak
creek
canyon
neighborhood,
representing
several
other
neighbors
that
couldn't
attend
tonight.
We
are
all
strongly
opposed
to
this
project.
It's
not
easy
to
come
out
to
all
these
meetings.
Many
of
us
work
or
have
children
at
home,
I'm
a
mother
of
six,
but
it
is
very
important
for
you
to
know
that
we
are
all
against
this.
I
have
not
talked
to
anyone
in
my
neighborhood
that
is
in
favor
of
the
zoning
of
this
slot
being
changed
to
medium
or
high
density
residential.
G
This
is
not
an
appropriate
space
or
location
for
that
thousand
oaks
is
known
and
appreciated
for
its
open
space
and
slow
smart
growth.
This
project
is
not
smart.
At
a
previous
neighborhood
meeting
I
attended
mr
gallagher
was
made
aware
of
the
strong
opposition
he
made
friendly
suggestions
such
as,
rather
than
all
of
us
speak.
We
should
organize
one
spokesperson
to
speak
for
all
of
us.
He
doesn't
want
you
to
realize
that
everyone
in
our
neighborhood
is
against
this
project.
G
G
G
Hundreds
of
neighbors
made
investments
of
their
own.
How
is
it
fair
to
favor
one
individual's
interest
while
ignoring
the
hundreds
of
neighbors
that
are
against
it?
It's
not
fair.
Please
do
not
approve
this
project,
please
listen
to
the
hundreds
of
neighbors
inside
with
us.
We
voted
for
you,
so
we
really
hope
you
will
vote
with
us.
G
G
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
darren.
Hanson
I
live
at
4112
churchill
drive
just
around
the
corner
of
this
site.
You
know
I
do
work
for
an
affordable
housing
developer.
That's
what
I
do
for
a
living
and
we
all
agree
that
we
need
more
housing,
but
not
here
that
this
location
makes
no
sense
and
there's
no
justification
to
put
high
density
at
this
location.
S
S
if
he
were
to
propose
that
with
the
density
bonus
of
35
percent,
which
I
agree
with,
will
give
them
18
units
which
is
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
you've
heard
tonight.
People
talking
about
25
units-
I
think
that's
still
a
little
bit
too
high,
but
what
he's
proposing
now
it
doesn't
make
any
sense.
There
are
so
many
sites
in
this
city
that
are
compatible
for
this
type
of
development.
S
S
Everybody
understands
that
this
developer
has
the
ability
to
develop
his
site,
and
we
all
agree
to
to
that,
but
he
doesn't
live
here.
He
he
doesn't
care,
he
owns
the
property,
but
he
doesn't
live
here.
He
doesn't
have
to
drive
by
it
every
day.
So
the
thing
is
is
that
you
know.
I
hope
that
you
listen
to
the
community,
because
I
will
tell
you
you
know
you.
If
it
does
get
approved
to
move
forward,
you
will
see
this
place
will
be
full
thanks.
Thank
you,
sir.
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
Staff
responds
to
the
public
comments
and
that
that
concluded
our
public
comments.
So
if
you
would
respond
to
some
of
their
concerns
that
you
listed
noted.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
A
few
items.
Again
I
mean
the
project.
As
everybody
recognizes
as
commercial
today,
it
will
be
developed
someday
in
some
form,
as
I've
spoken
to
already,
a
residential
project
would
generate
significantly
less
traffic.
That
was
a
common.
That
is
a
common
concern
and
staff
understands
that.
L
A
signal
at
maurice
and
reno
is
not
warranted
today,
based
on
traffic
analyses,
but
that
would
if
this
project
were
to
go
forward
that
will
be
evaluated
as
part
of
the
environmental
document
as
well.
L
The
topic
of
density
bonus,
the
density
bonus
state
law,
it
does
not
change
underlying
land
use.
The
land
use
is
proposed
to
be
medium
density.
L
Staff
has
recognized
and
stated
explicitly
in
the
staff
report
the
the
ultimate
density
of
22
units
per
acre.
That
is
a
function
of
those
three
numbers
that
I
described
earlier:
the
medium
density,
residential
density
bonus
and
the
three
additional
units
requested
by
the
applicant,
two
of
which
are
for
moderate
income
residents.
L
And
I
think
that
those
were
the
the
the
primary
comments
that
I
had.
B
N
I
just
have
five
quick
points.
First
of
all,
there
was
never
been
a
previous
representation
by
mr
cohen
that
the
project
would
only
be
25
units
want
to
make
that
clear.
Number
two.
We
must
honor
the
state
law.
That
is
the
purpose
of
the
density
bonus
law.
N
Three
there's
a
great
need
for
housing,
you've
heard
from
people
that
work
in
that
industry-
and
you
guys
hear
it
every
day
from
the
state
of
california
and
this
housing
needs
to
be
there
for
all
incomes
number
four:
the
plan
transitions
housing
towards
the
shopping
center.
We've
got
medium
density
across
the
street
at
brighton
lane.
N
The
first
units
within
this
project,
the
townhomes,
it's
the
same
product
type
and
you
move
into
the
back
of
the
property.
We've
got
27
apartment
units
all
within
the
medium
density
range
last
point:
city
has
limited
land
for
housing
and
we
view-
and
I
think
staff
has
indicated
this
is
an
appropriate
place
to
put
housing.
B
First:
half
go
ahead:
councilmember
le
pena.
H
H
L
Correct
and-
and
if
I
could
just
clarify
one
point-
I
should
have
mentioned
a
moment
ago
in
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report-
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
the
primary
question
before
city
council
tonight
is
allocation
of
the
25
units
of
residential
capacity.
The
recommendation
does
lead
off,
saying,
approve
a
residential
project
you're,
not
approving
a
residential
project.
L
Tonight
you
would
be
allocating
units
to
this
project,
the
25
measuring
units
for
a
project
as
currently
proposed.
That
is
37
units.
If
you
did
that,
then
you
would
initiate
the
general
plan
amendment
from
commercial
to
medium
density,
so
the
primary
action
tonight
is
allocation
of
units
and
then
that
triggers
the
the
initiation
of
the
gpa.
H
L
That's
correct
and
on
the
point
of
density
bonus,
an
applicant
that
provides
a
certain
number
of
number
of
affordable
units
is
entitled
to
up
to,
in
this
case,
35
density
bonus.
They
can
include
that
they
can
include
in
their
project
or
not
it's
it's
up
to
the
applicant.
We
have
had
projects
which
have
included
affordable
units
that
did
not
include
the
density
bonus.
I
Yeah,
mr
town,
the
action
here
before
us
is
twofold.
This
is
what
I
think
we
used
to
call
a
red
light,
green
light
hearing.
In
other
words,
if
we
give
the
green
light,
then
they
they
are
able
to
pursue
the
zone
change
or
they
would
automatically
get
the
zone
change
is
that
it.
L
L
The
action
tonight
would
be
medium
density
to
initiate
the
medium
density,
residential
and
you're
allocating
25
units
to
the
project
they,
that
is,
the
the
maximum
number
of
of
units
that
could
be
developed
in
our
medium
density,
residential
and
the
35
percent
density.
Plus,
the
nine
units
is
the
maximum
amount
of
density
bonus
that
the
applicant
could
seek
under
state
law
right
now.
It's
a
concept
that
is
before
use
simply
in
terms
of,
like
you
said,
red
light,
green
light.
I
Okay,
so
we
would
still
be
free
when,
if
we
did
that
tonight
that
we
could
still
regulate
the
final
project,
in
other
words,
we
could
decide
exactly
how
many
units
that
we
would
allow
for
that
corner.
Is
that
right.
L
The
final
decision
on
this
project
is
entirely
entirely
up
to
the
city
council,
in
other
words,
at
the
end
of
the
process.
However,
it
finally
turns
out
you
could
approve
it
or
not,
and-
and
that
is
as
your
prerogative,
because
what
is
being
requested
is
a
change
in
general
plan.
A
change
in
zoning,
and
that
is
that
is
within.
I
Your
approval,
well,
if
this
is
so
tentative
what
is
the
purpose
of
having
such
a
specific
plan
before
us
tonight?
It
gives
the
impression
to
the
white
person
or
whatever
neophyte
person,
I'm
talking
about
that
we're.
Actually,
if
we
go
forward,
we
would
actually
be
approving
37
units.
It
might
be
different
right.
It
could.
L
Be
different,
yeah,
the
the
reason
and
their
pros
and
cons
to
build
approaches.
If,
if
there
were
no
pre-screening
stuff
like
what
we
have
tonight,
the
city
council
would
not
see
the
project
quote.
Unquote
until
the
very
end
of
the
process,
you
wouldn't
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
the
public,
wouldn't
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
early
on.
L
That
is
not
the
case,
and
and
if
I
could
just
go
back
to
this
image,
that's
that's
up
again
tonight.
It's
the
pre-screen
step.
If
council
were
to
were
to
allow
the
project
to
go
forward,
it
still
has
to
go
through
those
five
remaining
steps,
and
your
action
tonight,
if
you
were
allowed
to
go
forward,
does
not
denote
final
action
to
approve
the
project.
I
L
I
Know
this
is
a
minor
thing,
but
I
wish
you
wouldn't.
I
know
this
is
the
rule
to
call
it
medium
density.
It's
really
high
density,
and
I
I
think
we
ought
to
rather
than
say
it's
medium
density
with
bonuses.
I
think
in
reality,
if
this
project
were
approved
exactly
the
way
it
is
now,
it
would
be
22
units
per
acre,
which
is
high
density.
H
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy,
and
you
are
correct,
mr
mr
jones,
smith,
smith.
Okay,
I
I
I
I
do
recall
a
project
299
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
which
was
already
high
density.
It
was
it's
142
units
on
three
acres.
H
It
was
considered
high
density,
but
the
applicant
was
entitled
to
a
state
density
bonus.
We
could
not
deny
that,
so
it
turned
from
a
high
density
project
into
what
I
call
an
excessive
density
project,
but
it
is
still
considered
according
to
our
general
plan
and
zoning
high
density.
This
would
basically
be
similar.
It's
medium
density
that
was
being
is
being
proposed
with
a
state
density
bonus.
Yes,
it
goes
beyond
that.
But
again
that
is
state
law
which
we
cannot
deny.
H
So
that's.
I
wish
it
were
different,
but
that's
that's
the
way
it
is,
unfortunately
the
with
say
we
were
to
green
light.
Mr
town,
this
project,
not
project
we're,
not
green
lighting.
The
project,
which
is
the
numbers
25.,
mr
cohen.
The
developer
would
also
have
the
luxury
or
flexibility,
so
to
speak.
To
just
say,
you
know
what
I'm
gonna
go
with
ahead
with
commercial
anyway.
Would
that
be
an
option?
L
H
Okay,
so
in
other
words
really
tonight
is
nothing
is
etched
in
stone.
It
is
a
pre-screening
of
a
proposal
of
medium
density.
D
May
rayquif,
I
could
just
clarify
the
the
the
discussion
regarding
medium
and
high
density
residential.
It's
council
member,
claudia
bill
de
la
pena,
discussed
the
fact
of
state
law,
state
density,
bonus
law
whenever
any
applicant
comes
to
the
city
and
requests
a
housing
project.
Let's
say
that
this
project
was
already
identified
as
medium
density,
residential
and
the
applicant
did
not
need
a
general
plan
amendment
at
any
given
time.
D
That
applicant
can
build
the
25
units
and
then
ask
for-
and
we
are
legally
obligated
to
give
them
a
density
bonus
if
they
provide
affordable
housing
and
that's
how
it
is
on
every
single
piece
of
property
in
the
city-
a
thousand
oaks.
It's
actually
on
every
single
piece
of
property
in
the
state
of
california.
D
What
the
state
legislature
has
done
over
the
years
is
they
have
they're
trying
to
compel
more
affordable
housing
to
be
built.
D
D
This
is
just
one
of
many
many
housing
laws
that
have
been
passed
over
the
years
and
if
you
are
interested
in
learning
more
about
housing
laws
and
housing
bills,
I
highly
suggest
you
look
at
just
what
legislature
passed
over
this
last
year
and
what
they're
contemplating
passing
over
the
next
year,
because
it's
it's
much
more
than
just
the
state
density
bonus
law.
This
has
been
on
the
books
for
how
many
years
20
20
at
least
20
years.
Oh
thank
you.
I
think
you
know
so
at
least
20
years,
so
this
is.
D
This
is
kind
of
what
you
know.
I
know
that
this
is
kind
of
shocking
to
the
residents
to
you
all,
because
you
probably
this
is
the
first
time
you've
heard
about
it,
but
this
is
this
is
kind
of
like
common
place
for
city
city
staff
members
who
have
to
process
projects
throughout
the
city.
So
if
I
have
a,
if
I
have
a
piece
of
property,
that's
low
density
and
I
build
affordable
housing,
I'm
entitled
to
a
density
bonus
that
might
elevate
it
above
that
low
density
range
under
the
general
plan
by
law.
D
The
state
density
bonus
law
does
not
recognize
land
use
designations
and,
in
fact,
cities
are
not
allowed
to
consider
that
as
a
basis
to
deny
it.
In
other
words,
we
can't
deny
a
project,
because
we
conclude
that
it
is
incompatible
or
inconsistent
with
our
zoning
code
or
our
general
plan.
The
city
council
has
no
discretion
on
that.
In
addition
to
state
density
bonus
laws,
we're
required
to
do
other
things
as
well.
If
the
developer
asks
those
are
called
development
incentives.
D
So
when
we're
talking
about
any
types
of
waivers,
we're
actually
legally
obligated
to
provide
a
number
of
waivers
or
changes
from
our
development
code
in
order
to
incentivize
that
project
to
go
forward
for
more
affordable
housing,
we're
also
required
if
we
are
requested
to
reduce
the
parking
requirements,
if
a
developer
asks
that
as
well,
that's
not
being
asked
in
this
case
and
in
fact
the
the
applicant
is
proposing
more
parking
spaces
than
even
under
traditional
parking
regulations.
D
So
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
with
respect
to
what
medium
density
is,
but
if
on
any
piece
of
property,
if
the
city
council
didn't
even
consider-
and
in
fact
before
this
pre-screen
would
have
happened,
what
would
have
happened
is
a
developer
would
say
we're
interested
in
putting
medium
density
residential
on
this
property,
and
we
are
requesting
the
city
council
to
concurrently
allow
us
to
process
it.
There
be
no
plans.
There
would
just
be
a
request
in
writing
to
do
that.
D
We
would
take
it
to
the
city
council
city
council
will
consider
it
and
say
medium
density
makes
sense
on
this
property,
maybe
that's
what
they
would
say
and
they
would
green
light
it
and
then,
during
the
process,
those
four
subsequent
steps
that
the
community
development
director,
mr
town,
discussed
during
those
four
subsequent
steps.
If
the
applicant
says
hey,
I
want
to
build
the
maximum
amount
under
medium
density,
which
is
25
units
and
I'm
going
to
build,
affordable
housing,
and
I
get
a
density
bonus
under
that.
Then,
ultimately,
we
would
be
in
the
same
place.
D
D
Actually,
sp
330
is
just
one
of
the
most
recent
ones
that
was
adopted.
Actually
there's
so
many
that
I
could
talk
about
for
hours.
Yeah
sb
330
is
is
a
is
a
is
what
sb
330
does.
Is
it
prohibits
cities
from
reducing
density
beyond
below
what
the
density
designation
is
we're
actually
legally
prohibited
from
doing
that
now,
without
finding
an
alternative
site
for
that
housing
for
that
additional
housing?
That's
needed!
D
That's
just
one
of
the
things,
one
of
the
pieces
of
legislation
that
was
pending
last
year
and
it
was
killed,
but
it's
also
good.
It's
going
to
be
resurrected
next
year
is
a
proposal
to
allow
four
plexes
on
every
single
family
lot
in
the
state
of
california.
That's
just
some
of
the
housing
legislation
that
is
being
discussed
because
of
the
the
need
for
housing
in
general
in
the
city.
H
Thank
you,
miss
noonan
for
explaining
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
all
cities
in
california
are
facing
regarding
housing.
It
is
extremely
frustrating
having
to
plead
with
our
state
legislators
and
to
ask
for
veto.
We
have
consistently
lobbied
the
governor
and
state
legislators
to
not
pass
certain
bills,
such
as
sb
330,
which
take
away
all
local
control
they're,
pushing
now
for
applications
without
a
public
hearing,
and
that
is
unfortunately
the
way
that
we
are
headed
in
california.
H
The
governor
wants
to
put
in
3.5
million
units
in
california,
which
I
think
is
completely
unrealistic.
A
thousand
oaks
is
pretty
much
built
out.
We
don't
have
room
for
3
500
units.
I
don't
know
how
the
state
expects
us
to
make
room
for
3500
units
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
I
have
no
idea.
It
is
complete,
overreach,
complete
overreach.
H
That
said,
we
have
a
proposal
before
us.
That's
requesting
25
units
from
our
measure
e
bank.
Mr
cohan,
you
have
the
flexibility
of
keeping
commercial
keeping
it
at
25
units
asking
for
a
state
density
bonus.
It
is
your
right
to
do
that
and
given
the
opposition
to
high
density,
we
ask
for
medium
density.
This
is
what
you
delivered.
We
desperately
need
very
low
income
housing.
We
need
housing
for
kindergarten
teachers,
salary
range,
thirty,
four
thousand
dollars
a
year.
H
This
is
for
the
conejo
valley,
unified
school
district,
making
up
to
about
eighty
thousand
elementary
school
teacher,
the
same
average
salary,
sixty
eight
thousand
deputy
for
ventura
county
sheriff's
department
and
the
fire
department
per
household
80
000
a
year.
That
is
the
kind
of
housing
that
we
need,
and
these
are
the
teachers
for
conejo
valley,
unified,
school
district
and
the
firefighters
for
the
ventura
county
fire
department.
H
This
is
how
much
they
make.
This
is
how
much
they
make
this
is.
This
is
the
population
for
whom
we
need
to
provide
housing,
workforce
housing,
and
I
can't
I
can't
say
no
to
residential
development.
As
I
sit
here,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
move
forward
with
the
25
units
from
the
measure
e
bank,
but
I
will
leave
it
up
to
you
to
see
whether
you
will
leave
it
at
25
units
or
decide
after
all,
to
provide
affordable
housing.
H
C
C
The
projects
would
come
to
the
staff
they
go
to
the
planning
commission
and
then
finally,
end
up
at
the
council.
If
there
was
his
own
change
or
whatever,
and
there
was
really
no
input
from
the
council
prior
to
that
and
very
little
from
the
citizenry,
this
pre-screening
process
was
set
up
specifically
so
the
council
and
you
could
have
input
on
these
projects
before
they
started
going
through
the
process.
C
I
think
that's
very
sensible
and
we've
been
hearing
you
and
this
project
has
gone
through
a
number
of
different
iterations.
Based
on
your
concerns
and
based
on
our
concerns-
and
I
I
got
I
have
to
make
a
general
remark
here.
Somebody
said
that
we're
not
a
slow
growth
city,
we're
a
slo-gro
city.
Let
me
assure
you
over
the
last
five
years
this
city
has
built
400
units
of
housing,
that's
80
units
per
year.
C
That's
less
than
one
percent
of
our
housing
stock
by
any
measure.
That's
slow
growth.
In
fact
it's
infinitesimal
growth.
So
please
don't
mischaracterize
the
direction
of
this
council
where
all
of
us
here
are
concerned
about
growth.
We
understand
the
quality
of
life.
We
all
live
here,
but
look
at
the
numbers.
C
Where
is
slogo
city
and
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
maintain
that
and
I
one
thing
did
occur
to
me,
this
number
25
versus
37..
The
difference
is
12
units.
I
know
there's
a
big
concern
about
traffic,
there's
12
extra
units,
whether
they
come
to
fruition
or
not
you're
talking,
maybe
another
20
cars
25
cars
for
those
12
units,
no
30.
C
C
It's
medium
density.
I
know
that's
subject
to
debate,
but
it
really
is
they've
scaled
down
the
mass
and
they
brought
down
the
heights.
The
private
road
stays
private.
C
The
circulation's
better
they've
addressed
a
lot
of
the
concerns,
so
you
know
I
I
understand
where
you're
at
with
this
thing,
but
I
think
that
there's
enough
merit
here
to
grant
the
25
units
and
take
it
back
to
staff
and
see
where
we
go
from
here
and
again.
It's
got
to
come
back
to
staff
and
it's
going
to
go
to
planning
commission.
They
go
back
to
us
again.
F
F
That
said,
I
think
several
people
have
said
that
they
would
just
prefer
to
remain
commercial
in
our
in
our
town.
Right
now
we
have
a
plethora
of
vacant.
Commercial
commercial
is
not
needed
in
our
in
our
community
right
now.
F
I
think
the
the
owner
of
the
property,
the
applicant,
does
have
the
right
to
put
commercial
in
there.
I
think
we
would
all
agree
that
commercial
is
probably
not
the
right
use
for
that
property
anymore.
It
is,
it
will
have
more
traffic
to
the
neighborhood,
more
noise,
more
more
annoyances
and
it's
not
needed.
F
What
is
needed
in
town
is
some
housing,
housing
of
all
types,
apartments
and
town
homes,
and
this
is
a
project
that
brings
both
of
those
to
us
in
terms
of
what
the
applicant
has
come
to
everybody
and
talked
to
us
and
talked
to
apparently
not
to
everybody,
but
to
as
many
people
as
he
could
in
the
neighborhood
and
asked
everybody
asked
for
a
smaller
project.
F
F
I
would
encourage-
and
this
is
you
know
this-
this
pre-screen
is
for
for
us
as
council
members,
for
you
as
the
public
to
give
feedback
to
the
developer,
and
I
would
encourage
him
to
look
at
that
side,
the
size
of
the
apartment
and
do
something
to
mitigate
the
imposing
nature
of
it
now
granted.
It
is
blocking
a
equally
imposing
blank
wall,
but
I
think
that
the
unit
needs
to
have
a
little
bit
of
work
done
to
reduce
its
impact
visually
on
the
neighborhood,
and
I
would
encourage
the
applicant
to
do
that.
F
But
I
think
I
agree
with
councilman
adam
and
it
does
check
some
boxes.
They
did
come
back
with
a
smaller
project,
with
a
lower
density
based
density,
at
least
and
they'd
have
invoked
the
density
bonus
for
low-income
housing,
but
it
also
provides
that
low-income
and
very
low-income
option
in
our
housing
mix
that
will
allow
us.
One
of
the
one
of
the
speakers
said,
allows
people
to
have
an
entry
into
our
community
via
these
apartments.
I
Mr
mayor,
I
really
appreciate
everybody
coming
out
tonight.
I
know
that
neighborhood
very
well,
I've
watched
it
several
times
running
for
office
sometimes
successfully,
sometimes
not,
and
I
recently
walked
the
that
corner
and
noted.
I
The
developer
has
a
right
to
develop
his
property,
you
know,
and
I
think
he
wants
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
I
still
think
it's
a
little
dense.
I
agree
with
what
mr
angler
just
said,
that
it
seems
to
me
that
the
that's
a
little
too
many
apartments,
but
then
I
hear
my
good
seat
mate
here,
mr
adam
talking
about
the
need
for
affordable
housing,
and
I
won't
go
through
the
litany
of
how
long
I've
been
here
and
what
housing
costs
then.
I
But
in
those
days
the
mailman
and
the
teacher
and
the
cop
and
so
and
so
could
all
afford
to
buy
a
you
know
house
on
a
low
density
lot.
That's
not
somebody
said
they're,
not
making
any
more
land.
I
mean
we
are
in
a
tough
place
here,
we're
trying
to
not
be
doing
anything
that
would
be
offensive
to
the
neighbors,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
a
commercial
lot
here
and
I
don't
think
you
would
expect
to
have
low
density
housing
on
a
major
street
like
raino
road.
I
So
some
there's
going
to
be
have
to
be
some
final
number
somewhere
between
that.
So
I
appreciate
your
coming
down.
Please
don't
take
this
as
a
slap
in
the
face
or
something.
What
we
want
to
do
is
to
try
to
work
out
a
final
project
that
will
be
as
compatible
as
possible
with
the
neighborhood
we'll
we'll
try
to
meet
as
many
needs
as
possible,
but
you
know,
but
at
the
same
time
give
the
developer
a
chance
to
to
develop
that
property.
So
I
intend
to
support
the
motion.
Thank
you.
B
B
I
do
not
like
the
state's
usurping
of
our
autonomy
as
a
city,
I'm
frustrated
by
this.
I
think
this
bonus
by
the
state
and
the
requirements
by
the
state
are
overreaching.
B
I
think
the
housing
shortage
in
california
is
the
failure
of
state
government.
I
think
an
a
state
like
california,
that
has
a
fifth
largest
gdp
that
leads
the
nation
in
poverty
and
homelessness
is
unconscionable.
I
have
no
idea
how
a
one-party
system
state
can
pull
that
off
and
ruin
this
state
and
they're
forcing
it
on
us,
and
you
guys
want
to
be
at
this
watching
the
world
series.
So
do
I
on
a
night
like
this,
you
need
the
wisdom
of
solomon,
because
every
one
of
your
concerns
is
valid
and
of
the
five
that
sit
here.
B
I'm
the
only
one
who
shops
in
that
area-
and
I
can
declare
to
you.
I
agree
with
you
that
that
is
a
nightmare
when
it
comes
to
traffic.
I
don't
like
it,
but
in
the
same
regard
you
have
an
individual
who
owns
that
piece
of
property
and
as
council
member
adam
pointed
out
or
excuse
me
councilmember
jones,
he
has
the
right
to
develop
it.
We
don't
need
commercial
and,
with
these
mandates,
we're
being
forced
to
come
up
with
low
income
and
moderate
income
housing.
That's
that's
the
reality.
B
B
This
is
a
pre-screening
to
look
at
it
and
say,
and-
and
if
you
you
take
time
away
from
your
family
to
come
down
here,
but
this
is
local
government.
This
affects
us.
So
I'm
glad
you're
here
that
that's
that's
how
we
operate
and
keep
coming
down
and
keep
par,
participating
in
the
process
and
things
will
be
a
lot
more.
The
way
you
like
it,
the
more
you
participate.
B
Now
we're
going
to
allocate,
as
I
can
see
by
the
majority,
in
the
comments
we're
going
to
allocate
at
least
from
measure
e
the
ability
for
this
developer
to
put
together
a
proposal.
That's
going
to
go
through
four
other
processes
where
every
one
of
your
public
comments
will
have
a
say
in
this
project.
Don't
be
discouraged
tonight,
because
you
didn't
get
everything
you
wanted,
but
also,
please
don't
vilify
us
and
and
say
we're
doing
a
a
three-card,
monty
and
switching
everything
on
you
understand
that
this
is
a
state
mandate.
B
That's
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
we're
doing
a
general
plan
update
to
try
to
avoid
the
state
usurping
all
of
our
open
territory
and
obliterating
us?
This
is
a
tough
job.
You're
welcome
to
it
for
750
bucks
a
month.
I'd
rather
go
watch.
The
world
series
on
a
night
like
this,
but
I
want
to
say
thank
you
as
councilmember
jones
did
and
the
other
council
members
we're
grateful
you're
here.
B
Your
input
means
a
lot
to
us
and
we're
moved
by
it,
but
with
that
we
are
still
going
to
allow
this
to
go
through
the
pre-screening
and
and
every
input
through
this
process
is
going
to
be
of
critical
importance.
So
don't
give
up
stay
with
us
on
this,
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
out
tonight.
Madam
clerk.
We
prepare
the
vote.
Please.
B
B
B
Folks,
thanks
for
coming
out
and
the
best
you
can,
if
you
could
exit
quietly,
we've
got
a
couple
more
items
of
business
that
we
have
to
attend
to
follow-up
reports
on
meetings,
conferences,
attended
by
council
members,
item
12,
that'll,
be
presented
by
council
member
angler
and
council
member
jones.
You
went
to
the
league
of
california
cities.
F
Yes,
then
thank
you
to
the
citizens
for
sending
both
council
member
jones
and
I
down
to
the
california
league
of
cities,
along
with
several
of
our
colleagues
here
in
in
staff
league
of
cities,
is
a
excellent
place
for
us
to
learn
the
latest
of
what
is
going
on
in
in
government
and
approaches
that
other
people
are
taking
to
to
tackle
problems
that
are
common
throughout
the
nation
as
well
as
the
state.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
things
that
I
I
brought
away
really
quickly.
F
Then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
councilman
jones
and
one
of
the
keynote
speaks.
Speakers
was
very
spoke
very
w
elucidating
on
how
millennials
are
now
becoming
the
dominant
force
within
the
community.
Those
of
us
who
are
baby
boomers
are
going
away,
we're
leaving
the
workforce
and
more
and
more
millennials
are
coming
into
the
community,
and
so
things
will
change.
F
As
that
group
comes
through
and
part
of
we're
talking
about
housing
all
night
part
of
housing
is
going
to
be
crafted
to
meet
the
desires
of
that
group
of
the
population
as
well.
F
There
is
also
quite
a
few
discussions
on
homelessness,
as
you
can
well
imagine,
and
the
cost
of
homelessness,
homelessness
and
the
need
for
wrap-around
services
to
take
some
of
those
people
off
the
street.
So
with
that,
I
think
council,
member
jones,
if
you
have
any
other
comments,.
I
Yeah
I
I
was
not
able
to
attend
very
many
meetings,
but
the
ones
that
particularly
impressed
me.
Well,
I
want
to
save
the.
I
The
very
terrific
meeting
or
presentation
of
by
andy
fox
and
jeff
dean
and
ingrid
about
the
events
immediately
following
the
election
a
year
ago,
but
I'll
save
that
for
just
a
moment.
I
They're
already
starting
to
organize
they're,
going
to
do
a
lot
of
it
online
for
people
that
have
computers
they're
having
people
that
go
door
to
door
in
areas
where
people
do
not
have
access
to
computers
or
where
there
is
more
than
one
dwelling
unit
on
a
certain
lot.
In
other
words,
it's
it's
rather
complicated
and
it
really
touches
on
what
we
just
are
through
talking
about
about
affordable
housing,
and
that
is
because
of
the
need
for
housing,
especially
for
service
people,
people
that
actually
work
in
this
city.
I
You
know
they're
living
in
all
sorts
of
places,
and
it's
going
to
be
hard
plus
for
a
while.
They
tried
to
have
a
citizenship
question
which
obviously
would
have
made
it
very
difficult
to
count
any
undocumented
aliens.
That
question
was
withdrawn
as
we
found
out
at
the
meeting,
or
at
least
as
I
found
out,
but
there
we
have
a
need.
There
are
five.
I
don't
have
all
the
different
areas
of
grants
that
are
available,
but
five
of
our
15
cabinet.
I
That
is
absolutely
vital
that
we
have
a
good
count,
so
anything
we
can
do
to
help
that
out
is
is
very
advisable
and
and
vital
for
us,
but
I
I
I
don't
have
the
words
to
express
the
feelings
I
had
sitting
in
the
audience,
with
the
description
of
all
of
the
activities
and
all
of
the
late
nights
and
everything
that
our
staff
and
others
went
through
as
a
reaction
to
the
shooting.
A
O
I
As
andy
pointed
out,
it
sort
of
tainted
our
reputation
as
the
safest
city
in
the
united
states
for
our
size,
which
we
did
win
many
times,
but
I
think
we
we
deserve
a
medal
for
the
best
reaction,
the
best
coping
with
what
did
happen,
and
I
think
that
we
still
deserve
not
only
the
safest
city
but
the
most
responsive
city
in
the
united
states-
and
I
was
just
I
words-
cannot
express
how
how
grateful
I
am
for
all
that
was
done.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Councilmember,
follow
up
from
our
city
manager,
any
items
assistant,
city
manager.
A
D
B
B
So
if
you
would
bear
with
me,
as
I
read
we're
joining
tonight's
city
council
meeting
in
memory
of
james
bruce
snyder,
who
passed
away
july,
13th
jim
was
a
member
of
the
city
family.
Having
worked
as
an
employee
for
20
years,
he
was
a
native
son
of
the
conejo
valley,
along
with
his
family
arriving
in
1955.
B
in
1997,
he
began
his
career
with
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
as
street
maintenance
worker
one
in
the
public
works
department
in
1998
he
was
promoted
to
street
maintenance
worker
2
and
in
2006
jim
moved
from
municipal
service
center
to
city
hall.
As
a
construction
inspector,
jim
was
a
key
member
of
the
city's
construction
inspection
team
and
played
a
significant
role
on
numerous
projects
throughout
the
city,
including
miller,
ranch,
many
mansions
thousand
oaks,
boulevard,
undergrounding
and
regency
center
redevelopment.
B
Jim
was
an
army
veteran
and
very
proud
of
his
son,
who
honorably
served
in
the
army
as
well.
Jim
enjoyed
spending
time
with
his
family
and
was
a
big
fan
of
the
dodgers
and
the
los
angeles
rams
jim
will
be
deeply
missed
by
family,
many
friends
and
his
city
co-workers,
and
I
am
sorry
for
your
loss
to
the
family.
But
it's
an
honor
tonight
to
remember
him
and
during
this
meeting
and
his
memory,
god
bless
you
guys
and
goodnight.
Everybody.