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B
So,
as
you
all
know,
we,
this
is
a
continuation
from
our
meeting
last
week.
Last
week
we
took
almost
five
hours
of
public
comments
and
it
left
very
little
time
for
the
council
to
deliberate
the
land
use
map
of
our
general
plan
update.
So
we
continued
to
the
meeting
today
with
public
comments
closed.
B
So
what
we
do
have
is
regular
public
comments,
as
this
is
not
a
study
session,
as
was
last
week
today
is
a
regular
council
meeting,
and
although
we
normally
only
allow
for
peak
speakers
to
speak
on
items
not
on
the
agenda,
the
brown
act
leaves
us
enough
flexibility
to
allow
you
to
continue
speaking
on
any
jurisdiction
within
the
city,
which
is
the
general
plan.
We
have
73
speakers
via
zoom
and
here
in
person.
We
are
limiting
time
to
one
minute
and
I
ask
you
to
keep
your
comment
to
one
minute.
B
G
With
mayor,
may
I
make
just
one
very
quick
announcement
and
I
know
we
have
some
serious
issues
in
front
of
us
tonight.
We've
been
talking
about
the
general
plan
for
many
months
now,
but
life
does
go
on
a
thousand
oaks.
I
want
to
congratulate
the
thousand
oaks
lancers
baseball
team.
They
have
set
a
record.
31
wins
in
a
row
with
no
losses
that.
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G
How
about
that
they
just
they
and
they
are
on
their
way
to
an
incredible
season,
and
I
just
want
to
congratulate
them:
the
coaches,
the
players,
the
parents,
teo
comes
through
again.
Thank
you.
B
Excellent
we've
had
quite
a
few
student
athletes,
reach
record
national
record
levels
from
thousand
oaks
high
school
from
westlake
high
schools,
and
we
were
trying
to
honor
them
and
are
trying
to
honor
them
later
this
year.
So
it's
been
really
a
good
year,
even
though
it's
been
a
difficult
one
for
most
of
us.
So
with
that
I
am
going
to
start
with
online
or
zoom
speakers.
First,
I
will
go
through
about
12,
take
a
quick
break
because
we
have
technical
constraints.
B
H
D
Good
evening
council,
my
name
is
jess
waihee,
I'm
a
resident
of
newbury
park.
You've
already
heard
from
me,
so
I'm
sharing
with
you
a
message.
I've
received
from
another
newberry
park
mom
this
morning.
She
texted
I'm
so
anxious.
The
council
won't
approve
the
mixed
use
for
borchard
lot.
Please
tell
me
there
is
a
chance.
We
can
still
have
some
fun
things
going
into
the
area.
The
fear
of
changing
here
is
alarming.
D
She
can't
speak
tonight
because
she's
running
a
school
pta
meeting
she
and
her
young
family
moved
here
a
few
years
ago
for
the
schools
and
reputation
as
a
desirable
place
to
live.
She's
mentioned
that
she
and
her
husband
had
no
idea
how
seemingly
anti-family
this
community
really
is.
There's
no
real
community
center
for
families
to
enjoy
in
our
area.
We
have
beautiful
parks.
Yes,
thank
you
crpd,
but
that's
different
from
a
vibrant
community
center
that
offers
a
range
of
amenities
for
families
to
safe
safely
enjoy.
D
We
respectfully
ask
the
council
to
please
support
the
mixed-use
zoning
at
orchard
site
and
the
please
honor
the
structure
of
the
boulevard
specific
plan
to
support
our
local
businesses,
who
have
put
their
trust
in
our
city
and
in
our
council.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
your
time
and
your
service
tonight.
B
C
C
I
love
thousand
notes,
my
wife
and
I've
raised
kids
here,
all
four
kids
and
I
wouldn't
live
anyplace
else.
My
wife
is
sorry
that
she
can't
address
you
herself,
but
she's
lived
here
almost
her
entire
life.
She
rode
her
horse
to
denny's
when
she
was
12..
So
that's
her
bona
fides.
My
message
is
a
simple
one:
stick
with
the
deal
you
made.
C
First,
stick
with
the
parks
to
population
ratio,
a
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
specific
plan
and
the
six
opportunity
sites
that
have
been
identified
and
next
listen
to
those
who
represent
the
economic
engines
of
our
city,
the
employers,
the
chamber,
the
local
small
businessman,
businesses.
C
They
need
their
workers
to
have
a
place
to
live
and
help
by
providing
areas
that
make
sense.
For
that
and,
finally,
keep
in
mind
that
not
everyone
who
lives
here
wants
to
live.
In
the
past.
We
like
an
active
lifestyle,
my
wife
and
I
like
the
restaurants
and
entertainment
locally,
and
so
do
our
now
adult
kids.
We
want
them
to
be
able
to
live
here,
to
enjoy
the
parks
and
restaurants
and
other
amenities
and
to
spend
their
money
in
their
own
community.
The
sighted
orchard
seems
like
a
great
idea.
I.
B
B
B
C
C
C
Those
survey
results
come
from
thousands
of
people
who
took
the
time
to
tell
you
what
they
want
for
the
future
of
thousand
oaks.
As
for
the
statistical
significance
issue,
I
think
a
better
term
than
survey
would
have
been
a
referendum
like
in
an
election
whether
for
a
candidate
or
a
ballot
question.
We
allow
all
constituents
the
opportunity
to
participate
and
accept
the
results
of
that
referendum,
regardless
of
the
turnout.
C
B
B
D
D
I
am
here
to
encourage
our
city
to
allow
a
well-thought-out
growth
plan
to
allow
families
to
move
into
town,
to
allow
students
that
are
going
to
be
learning
at
las
robles,
a
place
to
live,
to,
allow
our
senior
citizens
to
downsize
which
will
allow
new
families
to
move
into
their
homes,
revitalizing
our
economy
and
keeping
our
schools
full.
Keep
in
mind
that,
when
we're
discussing
when
we're
discussing
the
border
lot,
it's
not
like
it's
a
true
open
space.
It's
a
dirt
lot!
D
C
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
I'm
rick
schrader,
president
of
many
mansions.
Many
mansions
is
a
non-profit,
affordable
housing
and
service
provider
founded
and
located
right
here
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
On
behalf
of
many
mansions,
we
strongly
urge
that
the
council
adopt
the
draft
preferred
land
use
map.
This
map
will
aid
in
the
development
of
housing,
including,
affordable
housing.
In
several
ways
it
will
broaden
the
areas
for
potential
housing
development,
thus
increasing
the
city's
housing
capacity.
C
Second,
it
will
increase
the
ability
of
of
affordable
housing
developers
like
many
mansions,
to
obtain
the
necessary
financing
from
the
state
and
federal
government.
Third,
it
will
provide
greater
certainty
where
one
can
develop
and,
lastly,
the
map
advances
goals
of
fair
housing
and
equal
access
to
housing
in
the
community.
C
B
Thank
you,
stephanie
maria,
followed
by
andrew
pletcher,
no
andrew
pletcher,
followed
by
michelle
koetke
and
then
grace
hunter.
B
D
I'm
michelle
koepke
from
newbury
park.
We
must
hold
two
visions,
one
our
tradition
of
slow
growth,
but
we
also
must
hold
to
the
vision
of
creating
critically
needed,
affordable
units.
To
this
end,
approving
the
up
zoning
of
the
malls
is
the
answer.
These
sites
also
have
excellent
ingress
and
egress
sewers
and
electric
and
fold
lines
are
all
in
place,
thereby
creating
lower
developmental
costs
and
because
the
costs
are
lower,
we
can
build
more,
do
as
other
cities
have
done
and
approve
only.
D
C
C
H
C
C
C
B
B
D
Thousand
oaks
resident
and
president
ceo,
the
greater
kaneho
valley
chamber
of
commerce
representing
over
800
local
businesses.
I
can
tell
you
that
this
land
use
map
is
not
everything
that
commute
the
business
community
is
wants
and
is
on
their
wish
list.
The
mixed-use
high
designation
was
eliminated
altogether.
D
However,
I
will
say
that
this
current
map
is
a
very
reasonable
compromise
and
we
would
like
to
express
our
chambers
strong
support
for
the
staff
recommendation
on
behalf
of
our
business.
Community
housing
continues
to
be
a
major
challenges
for
our
businesses.
With
this
map,
the
city
can
give
our
employers
confidence
that
they
are
committed
to
creating
more
workforce
housing,
while
balancing
the
quality
of
life
that
our
residents
deserve.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
D
Good
evening,
council
members
janet
miller
wall
city
of
thousand
oaks.
The
general
plan
update
before
you
isn't
just
an
update.
It's
a
complete
rewrite
of
the
city
constitution
for
future
development.
The
plan
lacks
metrics,
as
requested
by
measure
e
every
previous
land
swap
since
1996
has
been
backed
with
data
showing
where
transferable
units
originated.
D
D
B
C
My
name
is
douglas
hardy.
I
live
in
newberry
park.
I've
lived
here
since
1989..
The
plan's
goal
is
to
add
houses
which
is
kind
of
nice,
except
for
one
thing:
there's
no
extra
water
to
go
to
those
houses.
We've
been
through
two
water
shortages.
While
I've
lived
here,
neither
one
of
which
was
very
nice.
C
B
C
Madam
mayor
honorable
city,
council
members,
my
name
is
sean
moradian
thousand
oaks
native
and
lifelong
resident
just
want
to
take
a
moment
and
thank
everybody
from
the
community
for
the
robust
amount
of
community
outreach
and
involvement.
I've
lived
in
this
community,
my
entire
life
and
I've
never
seen
anything
like
it.
I
really
want
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
and
applaud
staff
and
our
city
council
for
embarking
on
this
comprehensive
update.
C
I
think
130
000
residents
are
looking
at
our
council
members
with
the
esteemed
privilege
that
you
have
to
craft
solutions
for
a
population-
that's
not
even
here.
Yet
it's
not
about
us,
it's
not
about
what
we
want
and
we
need
it's
about
the
flexibility
we
can
provide
for
the
next
30
years
for
the
people
that
are
not
even
here
yet,
and
I
hope
you
take
that
into
consideration
this
evening
with
your
hearts.
You
trust
your
staff,
they've
done
an
incredible
job
and
we
support
you
either
way.
Thank
you.
L
D
Mayor
council,
members
and
staff,
my
name
is
deborah
kernahan
and
I'm
at
thousand
oaks
homeowner,
as
well
as
an
active
real
estate
agent.
We
have
been
in
continue
to
be
in
desperate
need
of
housing.
Over
the
past
20
years,
I
have
observed
thousand
oaks
slow
growth.
We
are
experiencing
record
lows
for
housing
inventory
and
find
seniors,
often
in
large
homes,
wanting
to
downsize
with
lack
of
suitable
housing
options.
I
would
also
like
to
address
concerns
I've
heard
about
projects
being
in
flood
zones.
D
I
feel
confident
that
proper
studies
were
done
to
address
the
viability
of
building
in
flood
zones.
I
find
many
are
unaware
that
a
significant
number
of
homes
in
thousand
oaks
were
built
in
what
is
considered
a
hazard
zone.
We
have
special
flood
zones,
potential
flood
zones,
earthquake
zones,
fire
zones
and
more
regardless
building
continues.
I
also
appreciate
appreciate
the
desire
to
keep
our
beautiful
city
from
becoming
what
many
fear
is
an
overcrowded
city.
B
C
I
B
C
L
C
B
B
Just
make
sure
that
you're
already
moving
forward
to
the
microphone.
So
don't
we
don't
we
don't
lose
any
time.
Hask
is
next
followed
by
peter
gilchrist
and
brian
westerhouse.
C
C
C
One
is
from
last
week,
and
that
is
the
one
that
said
it
started
with
a
problem
on
july
30th
2019,
in
which
this
process
called
a
a
consolidated
feedback,
was
used
to
report
results
and
the
problem
with
consolidated
feedback
as
it
interposes
something
between
people
and
the
data.
In
particular.
Last
week
it
was
said
it
was
recommended
that
the.
J
C
Basically,
that
the
town
center
approach
had
been
recommended,
in
fact
the
the
people
of
thousand
oaks
had
given
it
only
eleven
percent
support.
Thank
you,
and
yet
somehow.
F
C
Mr
jones
and
the
founders
protected
this
city
and
these
speculators
waited
for
someone
like
you
to
show
up,
and
after
40
years
you
did.
Okay,
there
are
hundreds
of
people
behind
that
area
that
have
to
pay
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
flood
insurance.
What
are
you
gonna
do
for
them
tomorrow
morning,
okay,
eighteen
hundred
dollars
a
year
all
right
and
by
the
way
I
have
an
eyewitness
who
saw
three
feet
of
that
dirt
from
that
development
bulldozed
over
there.
C
C
G
B
Sorry
I
saw
I
looked
at
the
name.
It's
still
up
there,
it's
brian
westerhouse.
Yes,
yes,
that's
you.
G
C
C
C
It's
an
iconic
mountain,
apparently
because
you've
seen
it
in
over
100
commercials
and
movies
throughout
the
years
and
the
species
that
are
in
that
particular
lot.
We
have
no
idea
about
and
some
of
my
experience
through
some
inventories
with
the
national
park
service.
I
have
a
kind
of
an
understanding
of
some
of
these
fragmented
islands
of
open
space
and
things
that
we.
G
B
Mr
westerhouse,
your
time
is
up.
I'm
going
to
call
mr
scott
horn,
followed
by
david
finney.
Please,
no
applause,
because
people
need
to
be
able
to
hear
their
names
when
I
call
them
mr
horn,
followed
by
david
finney
and
then
fred
fukunaga,
and
we
will
go
all
the
way
through
chris
bridges
before
we
switch
back
to
our
zoom
attendees.
L
Horn
from
newbury
park,
slow
growth
is
in
my
dna.
Madam
mayor,
I
know.
Slow
growth
is
in
your
dna
because
your
official
email
as
mayor
for
the
city
is
claudia
for
slow
growth,
we're
counting
on
you
to
drive
us
out
of
the
ditch
and
back
onto
the
path
of
slow
growth,
ed
jones,
ed
jones.
You
are
a
founding
father
of
slow
growth
in
thousand
oaks.
I
know
you
will
not
sit
by
and
have
our
slow
growth
dna
altered,
guide
the
council
away
from
this
madness.
L
Mr
jones
councilman
adams,
development
at
the
portrait
westlands
will
crush
my
neighborhood.
It
will
crush
other
neighborhoods
in
newbury
park.
Your
slow
growth
dna
has
mutated
into
something
ugly
councilman
mcnamee,
the
new
guy.
Thank
you
for
eviscerating
the
validity
of
the
survey
last
week.
Slow
growth
was
not
an
option.
Just
big,
bigger
or
biggest
growth
now
join
the
slow
growth
team
by
not
rezoning
anything
south
of
the
101
in
newark
park,
councilman
angler
as
a
firefighter
mr
horn.
Your
time.
C
Is
to
help
other
people
is
in
your
dna,
hear
the
please
so.
B
C
C
I
voted
for
all
you
and
I
hate
to
think
that
any
one
of
you
has
such
a
tenuous
grasp
on
the
obvious
that
you
would
even
consider
changing
the
land
use
designation
as
parcel.
Please
acknowledge
the
opposition
of
the
community,
overwhelming
opposition
of
the
community
and
don't
change
the
abortion
parcel
land
use
designation.
Thank.
B
C
Madam
mayor
council
members
city
staff
number
one:
I
appreciate
your
service.
This
is
a
great
city
and
you're
all
part
of
it,
and
I
appreciate
it.
My
name
is
fred
fukunaga,
I'm
a
25
year,
homeowner
in
thousand
oaks,
I'm
here
to
talk
tonight
about
the
orchard
road
property.
C
In
short,
I'm
for
the
general
concept
of
the
of
the
development
of
that
property
due
to
additional
workforce
and
affordable
housing,
and
mr
moradian's
attention
to
detail
about
that
property.
As
far
as
providing
green
space,
a
lake
proper
distancing
from
the
existing
homeowners
in
the
perimeter
of
the
property.
C
B
G
C
By
60
minutes,
that's
23
hours
to
get
that
volume
of
traffic
over
alice,
take
some
of
them
up
and
put
them
on
bella,
put
them
on
michael
any
way
you
cut
it.
You
I
need
to
see.
I
need
to
see
a
traffic
study
I
want
to
know
you
know
sb,
330,
hello,
what's
it
costing
us?
What
are
they
cow,
toweling
us
with
on
sb
330..
Do
we
care?
I
want
to
know
exactly
how
much
the
state
is
holding
this.
B
C
Is
aiden
dingman,
I'm
21
years
old
and
my
home
backs
the
boardroom
property
this
debate
over
apartments,
cars
and
bars
on
that
property
is
insanely,
unbelievable
as
a
young
adult.
Of
course,
I'm
looking
to
find
places
to
have
fun
with
friends.
But
how
can
you
consider
adding
hundreds
of
people
and
cars
to
that
area
twice
a
day
at
rush
hour,
traffic
becomes
unbearable.
C
The
idea
that
we
need
a
gathering
place
like
this
for
the
community
and
that
this
is
the
only
place
for
it
is
invalid.
It
literally
makes
no
sense
to
put
it
on
a
flood
zone
when
that
would
be
dangerous
and
the
area
is
already
too
crowded,
as
it
is
number
one.
Nobody
wants
it.
There
number
two.
There
is
likely
a
hundred
empty
buildings
all
over
the
city
where
something
similar
to
the
property
owner's
plan
could
be
accomplished.
It
would
make
a
ton
more
sense.
C
That
area
should
be
a
park
and
should
not
be
more
than
20
should
not
have
more
than
20
homes,
which
is
what
the
current
general
plan
says
should
be
built
there.
As
a
young
adult,
I
have
the
same
dream
of
owning
a
home
that
you
all
had.
My
parents
have
always
encouraged
me
to
work
hard
and
save
for
what
I
want.
I
have
to
say.
B
E
Thank
you.
I'm
john
sheridan
lived
here
since
1969.,
pretty
much
what
he
said.
You
know
wow.
Please
don't
do
this
to
our
neighborhood.
The
borchard
parcel
it's
a
great
idea
somewhere
else,
not
in
the
middle
of
this
residential
neighborhood
man.
Please
don't
do
this
to
us.
E
B
D
Good
evening
my
name
is
lori
dingman
and
my
home
backs
the
borchard
flood
zone.
I'm
tired
of
hearing
about
how
this
property
owner
is
being
kept
from
developing
his
property.
The
property
was
purchased
with
a
flow
adjustment
on
it,
with
the
r18
designation,
with
the
knowledge
of
all
the
infrastructure
that
was
needed
to
develop
it.
This
is
a
40
year
old
case
of
buyer's
remorse.
Nearly
every
letter
sent
by
an
average
member
of
this
community
is
against
development.
On
that
flood
zone.
D
We
will
not
stand
by
as
big
business
developers
and
friends
of
the
maraudians
attempt
to
push
us
out
of
our
homes.
There's
been
a
ton
of
conversation,
imagining
what
could
be
built
on
that
property,
but
our
neighborhood
is
asking
you
now
to
focus
on
what
cannot
be.
You
cannot
pack
upwards
of
a
thousand
additional
people
in
cars
in
that
property
period.
There
are
two
narrow
residential
roads
to
get
in
and
out
of
that
area,
and
that's
a
recipe
for
disaster.
The
current
housing
element
indicates
only
20
single-family
homes
can
be
built
there
safely.
D
B
C
C
City
of
thousands
of
canada
valley-
and
I
would
like
to
see
development
in
that
area,
and
I
know
it's
going
to
offend
some
people.
I
know
people
are
going
to
be
upset
about
it,
but
we
desperately
need
more
housing,
more
infrastructure
for
future
generations,
not
just
the
people
that
are
here
today
but
built
into
the
plan
is
a
mechanism
to
address
traffic
address
flooding,
address
additional
housing
and
stuff.
It's
not
a
blanket
stamp
that
we
can
just
build
there.
C
C
And
good
evening,
council
members
I'm
bill
oakes
of
thousand
oaks.
I'm
here
today
to
thank
the
staff
for
taking
time
to
address
the
community's
concerns
regarding
the
parcel
at
2080
east
hillcrest
drive
during
one
of
the
scheduled
breaks
at
last
council
meeting.
I
was
approached
by
staff
and
had
an
opportunity
to
elaborate
on
what
I
was
trying
to
convey
last
week
with
my
limited
public
speaking
time.
I
was
also
able
to
speak
briefly
with
additional
staff
members
who
were
also
able
to
assist.
I
was
then
permitted
the
opportunity
to
communicate
with
staff
further
with
emails.
L
L
Be
used
for
nothing
but
residential
accommodations,
maybe
300
people
living
in
one
and
two-bedroom
condominiums.
Perhaps
300
people
along
the
thousand
oaks.
L
C
Don't
need
any
more
bars
and
restaurants
here.
Thank
you
gary.
If
you're
wealthy
enough
to
go
out
and
eat
dinner,
you
can
get
your
car
and
drive.
E
C
C
The
property
is
entirely
within
a
fema
mapped
flood
hazard
area.
If
we
are
to
believe
that
the
landowner
will
take
steps
to
mitigate
flooding
and
traffic
impacts,
as
he
has
repeatedly
promised,
then
why
does
his
proposed
development
plan?
Show
roadway
connections
to
alice
drive
and
denise
drive
where's
the
traffic
mitigation
there?
C
B
C
Hi
gary
raymond,
I've
been
a
resident
here
since
1981
thousand
oaks
and
do
not
want
to
lose
the
semi-rural
feel
that
we
have.
I
have
a
proposal.
I
call
the
mountain
ridgeline
rule.
It
states
that
any
new
buildings
must
not
go
higher
than
the
surrounding
visible
mountain
ridge
lines,
as
seen
from
your
car
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
or
the
101
freeway
or
adjacent
streets.
C
The
only
exception
is
where
a
one-story
building
still
blocks
the
view
that
would
be
allowed,
but
higher
buildings
should
not.
This
can
be
accomplished
by
adjusting
the
building
height
as
the
structure
gets
farther
away
from
the
street.
In
this
way,
a
two-story
building
would
be
set
back
a
little
a
three-story
building
set
back
more.
In
some
cases,
a
four-story
building
can
be
accommodated
if
it's
hundreds
of
feet
back
from
the
street
towards
the
mountains.
C
Unfortunately,
the
new
structures
on
the
old
lupe
site
violate
this
rule,
but
could
have
been
built
to
comply
if
the
front
building
was
one
story
instead
of
three,
you
could
still
see
the
southern
mountain
ridges
the
three-story
buildings
are
fine,
as
they
are
far
enough
back
that
the
angle
of
view
still
allows
the
mountains
to
be
seen.
Thank.
C
C
C
B
F
I
speak
on
behalf
of
a
huge
plethora
of
people
out
on
this
very
street
out
on
thousands
boulevard
that
are
protesting
this
very
matter,
then
you
should
be
aware
of
it
and,
as
everyone
has
limited
time,
so
do
all
you
be
aware
that
there
may
be
a
recall
if
that,
if
you
aren't
standing
up
for
the
citizens
of
most
of
these
people,
most
of
these
people
not
all
of
them,
but
most
of
these
people
were
requesting
to
have
open
spaces
and
just
slow
down
pump
the
brakes.
F
That's
all
I'm
asking
is
all
we're
asking
is
slow
down.
Think
things
through
a
little
bit
better.
Instead
of
a
rapid
bill
that
it's
going
to
get
too
crowded
crime
can
increase,
all
kinds
of
problems
can
ensue
the
sewer
systems.
This
kind
of
thing
just
aren't
capable
of
handling
this
much
growth
this
rapidly,
so
the
infrastructure
has
to
be
built
up,
especially
after
covid.
We
need
to
kind
of
reassess
financial
situations,
so
please
slow
down,
pump
the
brakes,
god
bless
and
let's
have
a
peaceful,
compute
community
from
here
on
out.
Thank
you
very
much.
J
C
C
I
also
see
the
issue
from
the
perspective
of
the
chamber
of
commerce.
As
chairman
of
the
board
of
emeritus,
I
am
acquainted
with
literally
hundreds
of
business
owners
who
almost
uniformly
see
affordable
housing
as
a
crucial
need.
Finally,
as
a
trustee
with
community
conscience,
I
have
an
up
close
look
at
how
a
lack
of
affordable
housing
negatively
affects
those
employed
by
our
non-profits.
C
D
D
Thousand
oaks
is
definitely
in
need
of
of
housing
and
the
the
need
for
mixed-use
development,
and
I
am
in
favor
that
the
property
owner
is
able
to
make
the
decisions
that
he
and
the
developers
see
fit
in
that
area,
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
allow
them
to
have
a
creative
license
to
be
able
to
choose,
what's
best
for
the
community
with
the
community's
input
and
make
a
beautiful
space
for
all
of
the
residents
to
enjoy
not
just
the
perimeter
of
homes
that
are
around
the
orchard
area.
Thank
you.
So
much.
I
C
As
a
former
planning
commissioner,
environmental
planner
and
a
young
professional
lives
and
works
in
thousand
oaks,
I
feel
a
strong
connection
to
our
amazing
city
and
strongly
advocate
support
of
the
city's
preferred
land
use
map.
It
is
important
that
we
support
mixed
use,
destinations
in
the
preferred.
C
I
C
B
D
Opportunities
to
provide
a
more
vibrant
and
diverse
community
for
many,
especially
young
families-
I
raised
two
children
here.
Only
one
was
able
to
afford
to
raise
her
family
here.
None
of
my
seven
grandchildren,
all
with
college
degrees,
live
here.
Some
of
the
grandkids
simply
can't
afford
to
live
here.
But,
more
importantly,
they
want
a
vibrant
city
with
diversity
and
activities
woven
into
the
fabric
of
the
place
where
they
live.
D
D
You
don't
buy
a
house
next
to
an
airport
and
then
complain
about
the
noise.
This
is
exactly
what
mr
moradian
is
doing.
His
father
bought
this
property
at
the
bargain
price
of
seven
thousand
dollars
an
acre.
It
had
a
flood
control
easement,
which
gives
the
county
wide
latitude
and
controlling
development.
D
In
fact,
it's
so
broad
that
the
city's
own
2013
housing
report
noted
this
parcel
only
had
a
theoretical
capacity
for
20
homes.
Nothing
has
changed
now.
Mr
marauding
wants
to
whine
and
complain
that
he
can't
build
on
his
property
in
42
years.
They
have
presented
only
one
application
before
the
city,
but
he'd
like
you
to
believe
he's
been
blocked
at
every
turn.
Council
members,
please
don't
break
your
promises
that
the
new
general
plan
would
preserve.
Single-Family
neighborhoods,
I
beg
you,
don't
portray
hundreds
of
residents
for
the
benefit
of
a
single
developer.
D
M
C
With
making
decisions
about
our
city,
it
is
my
belief
that
the
decision
about
our
future
general
plan
is
yours
to
make.
Second,
the
general
plan
is
not
zoning.
It's
a
road
map.
Zoning
standards
give
you
the
authority
and
the
discretion
to
determine
whether
a
project
of
a
certain
type,
size
and
height
makes
sense
in
a
particular
location.
You
can
control
what
happens.
C
M
B
D
Madam
mayor
council
members,
I'm
roseanne
from
teo.
Our
gpu
must
improve
our
quality
of
life,
so
I
urge
you
to
limit
land
use,
changes
to
the
oaks
and
jans
malls.
Amgen
hub
and
village
centers
require
25
percent,
affordable
units
in
every
new
multi-family
complex
redevelop,
existing
retail
and
commercial
space
instead
of
allocating
more
require
areas
of
change,
to
preserve
all
heritage
trees
and
provide
abundant
green
and
public
gathering
spaces
connect.
D
All
areas
connect
all
areas
of
change
to
their
neighborhoods
with
walking
and
cycling
paths
into
each
other
and
neighborhood
cities
with
public
transit
limit
buildings
to
three
stories
drop,
the
six
and
seven-story
mixed-use
medium
industrial
flex
and
commercial
regional
access,
the
cumulative
impacts
of
every
new
development
on
its
neighborhood
and
our
city,
and
adopt
bold
city-wide
building
codes
that
mandate
climate
protections
on
the
scale.
Thank.
B
C
C
Please
consider
our
community
safety
when
you
vote
tonight
when
my
family
evacuated
for
the
november
2018
hill
fire,
it
took
nearly
an
hour
to
travel
a
few
miles
on
reno
in
lynn.
Road.
The
hill
fire
raging
from
the
north
toward
our
home
is,
in
my
backdrop,
our
only
vacate
our
only
evacuation
route
from
maurice
drive.
Reno
road
is
already
gridlocked
during
an
evacuation.
D
D
Mixed-Use
projects
could
encourage
bright
young
talent
to
stay
in
the
area
and
contribute
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
The
variety
of
housing
in
this
land-use
map,
including
affordable
workforce
housing
and
the
added
lifestyle
amenities,
are
greatly
needed.
I
encourage
the
city
council
members
to
approve
this
land
use
map.
Thank
you
for
your
support
of
the
students,
alumni
and
employees
of
california,
lutheran
university.
B
B
I
mean
about
30
25.,
so
what's
the
pleasure
of
the
council
7
30?
Okay,
what
do
you
say,
mr
mcnamee.
H
F
They
should
have
been
here
last
week
as
my
opinion,
but
I'm
willing
to
listen.
Okay,
seven
o'clock
works
fine
for
me.
Okay,.
B
C
C
The
article
went
on
to
say
quote:
a
climate
change,
fueled
mega
drought
of
more
than
20
years
is
making
conditions
that
lead
to
fire
even
more
dangerous.
End
quote:
we
must
frame
all
city
planning
in
the
context
of
climate
of
the
climate.
Emergency
transportation
account
accounts
for
our
community's
largest
source
of
climate
heating,
green
gas,
greenhouse
gases
which
drive
drought,
water
scarcity
and
wildfire
risk.
We
need
sensible,
planning
and
affordable
housing.
We
need
inclusionary
housing,
ordinance,
rent
control
and
land
trusts.
C
We
need
every
trick
in
the
book
to
allow
people
to
live
and
work
in
thousand
oaks.
We
need
people-centric
walkable
connected
thousand
oaks.
We
need
village
centers
that
would
allow
people
to
get
out
of
their
cars
and
breathe
clean
air.
We
need
to
recognize
that
we
are
in
a
climate
emergency
and
plan
accordingly.
Thank
you.
D
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
there's
a
lot
of
us
in
thousand
oaks
that
we
do
not
want
buildings
taller
than
two-story
buildings.
I
know
that
there
are
75
buildings
that
are
taller
than
that,
but
when
is
it
going
to
stop?
And
I
do
not
want
to
be
against
progress,
but
there's
a
reason
why
this
city
looks
the
way
it
does,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
protected
and
for
everybody
that
cannot
afford
to
live
here.
You
know
what
I
know
it's
so
expensive.
D
If
an
undocumented
person,
like
me,
hasn't
participated
since
the
beginning,
why
haven't
you
all
I
had
to
do
was
go
to
the
acor
newspaper
and
find
that
this
was
happening
here
and
if
I
cannot
find
him
there,
I
can
always
go
to
the
city
council
website
and
find
all
the
information
that
I
need
there.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
Good
evening,
everyone,
I
am
a
resident
of
the
unincorporated
area,
immediately
south
of
newbury
park.
I've
lived
in
this
area
for
31
years
now,
and
I
do
love
this
area.
C
It
still
needs
to
change,
and
I
want
to
make
a
note
that
only
eight
percent
or
so
of
the
city's
land
area
is
planned
to
change
within
this
proposal.
C
That's
before
you
tonight,
I
would
prefer
that
more
of
it
actually
was
able
to
change,
especially
in
the
single-family
neighborhoods,
but
I
realize
that
people
are
very
attached
to
those
we
need
to
change
because
we
need
to
provide
more
housing.
All
of
our
open
space
is
protected.
C
B
D
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
heather.
I
live
in
casa,
conejo
and
I'm
saying
no
to
the
mixed
use
on
teal
boulevard
and
the
portrait
property
when
the
hill
fire
broke
out.
What
should
have
taken?
Eight
minutes
took
over
an
hour
and
45
minutes
no
to
adding
density
on
teo
boulevard
about
the
border
property.
We
are
a
bedroom
community.
D
Sean
is
wanting
to
put
a
trolley
at
the
end
of
alice.
People
will
see
that
this
is
a
back
way
into
the
property
and
will
park
on
alice.
Then
after
they
are
done,
visiting
the
beer
garden
or
the
equestrian
center
or
any
of
the
shops,
they
will
be
taking
the
trolley
back
to
the
end
of
alice
and
be
driving
through
our
now
quiet
neighborhood.
D
Hi
good
evening,
my
name
is
nicole
living,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
and
I'm
in
favor
of
the
preferred
land
use
map
as
it's
been
proposed.
I
want
to
address
specifically
the
perception
that
some
people
have
in
this
area
that
renters
don't
care
about
or
contribute
to
the
community.
I
moved
to
thousand
oaks
in
2017
when
I
relocated
to
southern
california
for
a
new
job.
If
I
wanted
to
purchase
a
home,
I
would
have
to
leave
this
community,
but
renting
has
its
advantages
too.
I
like
not
having
to
manage
landscaping
or
building
maintenance.
D
I
like
calling
the
landlord
when
something
breaks
instead
of
having
to
manage
it
all
myself,
but
let's
be
clear,
I
make
that
call
I'm
not
living
in
squalor
because
I
rent,
I
love
my
apartment
and
the
community
in
which
it
resides.
My
income
supports
our
local
economy
when
circumstances
allow
for
it.
I
dine
here
shop
here,
attend
events
here
and
my
friends
and
family
visit
to
explore
our
local
attractions,
I'm
conscious
of
supporting
locally
owned
businesses
and
restaurants.
My
money
stays
here
in
to
because
I
live
here.
D
D
J
J
D
Of
housing
stock
throughout
the
city
can
help
contribute
to
more
affordable
housing
stock,
create
anchor
points
for
walking
cycling
and
public
transit
in
areas
near
where
the
majority
of
people
will
would
be
living.
So
more
residents
can
accomplish
daily
errands
without
driving.
It'll
reduce
the
concentration
of
development
along
the
main
artery
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
resulting
in
less
traffic
congestion,
less
potential
spillover
of
parking
into
adjacent
neighborhoods
and
faster,
safer
evac
during
increasing
disaster
situations
that
we
find
ourselves
in.
Thank.
B
D
Wendy
zimmerman
newbury
park,
leave
the
orchard
property,
zoned,
r18,
low
density
for
the
20
single
family
homes
that
are
on
the
city's
planning
books
that
zoning
is
compatible
with
the
existing
neighborhood
and
with
science
flooding
happens.
Science
and
resident
safety
should
not
ever
be
a
set
aside
for
avarice
to
has
re
repeatedly
promised
to
protect
single-family
neighborhoods.
That
means
all
of
our
single-family
neighborhoods,
including
those
in
newbury
park
where
44
000
people
live,
not
just
the
other
zip
codes.
D
The
approach
that
mcfaris
and
the
former
planning
commissioners
have
presented
is
smart.
It
keeps
with
long-established
patterns
and
practices
in
the
city
of
teo
that
are
highly
valued
and
work.
Please
listen
to
those
of
us
who
value
quality
of
life
and
who
are
not
financially
biased,
look
for
balance
across
the
entire
city
and
take
a
holistic
approach.
The
currently
submitted
land
use
program
results
in
violations
of
our
civil
rights
through
economic
discrimination
that
will
result
in
racial
discrimination
too.
It
fails
to
provide
equal
protection
under
the
law.
You
can
stop.
D
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name
is
guyantera
and
I
live
in
thousand,
knocks
I
own
a
house
and
I
pay
taxes,
I'm
president
of
ante
comunidad
conejo
and
we
are
part
of
conejounido
tonight.
I'm
talking
on
behalf
of
conejounido.
We
hope
that,
as
you
discuss
the
land
use
map
for
the
general
plan
update,
you
will
consider
the
needs
of
all
of
the
people
who
live
and
work
in
thousand
dogs.
All
neighborhoods
will
be
diverse
and
inclusive
and
places
where
everybody
feels
welcome.
D
B
D
D
D
It's
a
deep
fear
that
haunts
families
like
mine,
the
general
plan
update,
could
improve
options
for
people,
like
my
daughter,
by
creating
more
affordable,
accessible
and
inclusive
housing.
The
past
few
weeks
have
been
pretty
soul-crushing,
as
I
have
witnessed
the
circling
of
the
unwelcome
wagons
by
some
in
our
community.
H
C
Good
evening
mark
sellers
president
of
thousand
oaks
on
behalf
of
the
seventh-day
adventists
we'd,
like
to
thank
the
mayor
for
comments.
The
other
day
we
have
a
goal
of
creating
a
residential
zone
north
of
the
two
schools.
The
church
operates
rather
than
industrial
uses.
That,
to
me,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
also
on
the
business
improvement
district.
C
We
created
that
district
so
that
every
property
owner
would
have
an
equal
and
same
right
to
ask
for
mixed
use.
They
wouldn't
get
it.
We
understood
that
the
measure
e
had
certain
limitations
on
it,
but
at
least
they
all
had
the
same
right
and
there
weren't
special
benefits,
giving
to
select
properties
along
the
boulevard.
With
that,
thank
you
and
best
of
luck
with.
D
Members
and
staff-
my
name
is
jenny
ortega,
as
mentioned,
and
I
live
in
newbury
park.
I
graduated
from
newberry
park
high
school,
attended
ochsner
college
and
will
be
going
to
ucla.
I
am
speaking
at
on
behalf
of
stripe
conejo
today,
as
you
discuss
the
land
use
for
general
map
update.
I
hope
that
you're
taking
consideration
situations
that
I
lived
while
living
here.
D
D
B
C
Yes,
this
is
aaron
ramirez,
I'm
taking
place
of
valeno
salazar.
He
could
not
attend
tonight.
C
That
would
be
on
teo
boulevard,
the
tall
buildings
and
all
would
not
affect
anything,
there's
nothing
back
there
and
we
have
also
dedicated
300
of
the
acreage
to
open
space.
C
H
C
It
would
also
accommodate
affordable
housing.
It's
just
adequate
for
younger
families
and
to
be
able
to
live
in
this
community.
D
My
name
is
carol
shelton
and
I
live
in
thousand
oaks.
I
am
a
part
of
canaho
nevo
tonight,
as
you
discuss
land
use
map
for
the
general
plan
update.
I
hope
that
you
will
consider
the
needs
of
everyone
in
thousand
oaks.
Here's
my
wish
list
for
our
city's
future.
I
wish
that
there
were
more
village
centers
in
thousand
oaks
now
and
in
the
future.
Adults
with
intellectual
and
developmental
disabilities
or
idd
need
places
to
be
integrated
and
included.
Village
centers
would
allow
my
children
to
live
work
and
play
in
thousand
oats.
D
My
children
will
need
access
thousand
oaks
on
foot
and
a
village
center
could
become
a
hub
for
them.
I
wish
that
our
city
had
more
inclusive
housing
for
people
with
idd
to
live
in
our
community.
Our
city
needs
a
plan
for
everyone.
If
we
hope
to
have
a
community
that
truly
embraces
all
people,
then
our
wish
list
for
the
future
must
include
more
opportunities
for
our
current
residents
and
for
generations
to
come.
The
general
plan
update
has
allowed
me
to
dream
about
the
world.
D
D
Hello,
karen
martin,
here
you
guys
got
your
work
cut
out
for
you,
because
you
still
haven't
gotten,
figured
out
policing
yet
felice
who
actually
lives
in
simi
valley.
So
maybe
he
can't
afford
to
live
in
thousands
either.
But
he
told
me
that
25
of
the
patrol
has
been
dedicated
to
the
homeless.
D
B
D
Still
have
problems
out
here
on
lynn,
road
we've
had
three
accidents
in
the
last
six
months
we
have
homeless
people
living
out
here,
we've
had
a
walker
somebody
who's
just
walking
get
hit
by
a
car,
because
no
so
I
would
like
to
know
what
your
plan
is.
I'd
love
to
hear
some
good
likes
nice,
hello.
How
are
you
doing
and
how's
my
husband
from
you
mayor?
D
You
seem
to
have
people
that
you
like
and
people
that
have
come
forward
and
are
using
words
like
staff
recommendations
and
orchards
opportunity
site
who
feel
like
plants,
and
I
do
think
you
need
to
listen
to
the
people
of
thousand
oaks.
It's
only
been
a
decade.
Could
you
do
something
with
the
noise
out.
B
C
Hi,
I'm
kenneth
yazam,
a
28-year
resident
of
newberry
park
in
october,
2017,
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
a
recommendation
from
city
staff
and
in
compliance
with
the
state's
office
of
planning
and
research,
decided
to
comprehensively
update
the
city's
general
plan.
Noting
that
the
community
would
be
especially
sensitive
to
the
expansion
of
residential
housing,
the
city
staff.
C
As
much
local
control
over
future
growth
as
possible,
I
bring
up
this
history
to
provide
some
context
to
the
tsunami
of
information
surrounding
this
contentious
issue.
I
would
contend
that
the
prerequisite
of
significant
public
engagement
was
never
realized,
giving
the
disappointing
response
to
the
city's
repeated
efforts
to
gain
the
attention
of
the
public.
What
we
are
now
seeing
is
genuine
public
engagement
among
a
growing
group.
E
C
Good
evening,
council
members
eric
trembley
newberry
park
a
lot
to
say
in
one
minute,
not
enough
time
to
say
it,
so
I'm
just
going
to
speak
from
the
heart
here,
and
what
really
the
problem
that
I
have
is
is
that
1710
is
a
great
example
of
what's
going
to
happen
to
this
community.
C
I
really
wish
people
stopped
using
that
term
as
if
to
say
that
we're
going
to
get
more
of
it,
we're
only
getting
a
few
homes,
a
few
parcels
out
of
the
majority,
so
the
developers
can
profit
on
what's
going
to
be
tons
and
tons
of
people
being
brought
into
this
community.
I'd
like
to
also
have
this.
The
city
council
speak
on.
What
9-2.203
are
they
going
to
put
this
to
a
public
vote
or
not?
C
D
Hi,
I'm
a
16-year
president
of
thousand
oaks.
Madam
mayor
and
council
tonight
you
have
a
choice:
a
choice,
to
view
the
general
plan
update
process
as
a
compliance
exercise
or
as
an
opportunity,
a
choice
to
plan
for
the
future
or
stay
rooted
in
the
past,
a
choice
to
repeat
tired
phrasing
such
as
or
become
the
valley
or
acknowledge
that
change
is
inevitable
and
can
bring
necessary
improvements.
D
D
Change
can
mean
decreasing
our
city's
dependence
on
cars,
thus
increasing
walkability
and
bike
ability
contributing
to
a
cleaner
environment.
A
healthier
way
of
living
change
can
mean
creating
opportunities
to
develop
more
affordable
housing.
I
hope
you'll
support
the
proposed
map
with
more
than
just
two
village
centers.
Let's
ensure
that
thousand
oaks
is
a
wonderful
place
to
live
for
all
backgrounds,
ages,
abilities
and
income
levels
for
the
next
30
years
by
being
forward
thinking
in
the
land.
Use
map
decision
tonight,
given
our
demographics
in
a
very
different
world
than
when
thousand
oaks
was
developed.
Thank.
D
Hi,
thank
you,
council
for
letting
me
speak.
I'm
dianna
merville,
I'm
a
21
year
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
My
husband
and
I
used
to
live
in
the
san
fernando
valley,
and
we
couldn't
afford
to
live
here
originally
as
a
young
family,
but
we
didn't
want
to.
We
wanted
nightlife
and
activity
in
concrete
jungles,
so
we
lived
in
the
san
fernando
valley
as
we
got
into
our
mid-30s.
We
wanted
a
quiet,
semi-rural
community,
to
raise
our
family,
so
we
saved
up
our
money.
D
And
that's
we
don't
want
that
to
see
that
change
now.
My
understanding
is
that
the
minimum
required
is
2.
300
units
build
out
over
eight
years.
That's
only
287
units
a
year.
So
if
you
build
out
the
rancho
canejo
amgen
property,
which
is
over
700
units,
that
alone
will
fulfill
two
years
worth
of
build
out.
So
why
don't
we
just
slow
down.
B
C
My
name
is
tim.
We
purposely
moved
to
canajo
valley.
Can
you
hear
me
by
the
way?
Yes,
thank
you.
My
name
is
tim.
We
purposely
moved
to
canajo
valley,
away
from
woodland
hills
more
than
a
decade
ago
to
get
away
from
the
impending
development
of
warner
center,
the
choking
traffic
and
escalating
crime
to
raise
our
family.
C
I
actually
reported
on
the
warner
center
2035
plan.
I
interviewed
h
a
wins
business
owners
and
major
real
estate
developers,
I'm
qualified
to
say
this
thousand
dogs
planners
and
politicians
have
warner
center
envy.
The
people
who
cultivated
our
paraiso
el
es
la
calinas
paradise
in
the
hills
has
spoken
loud
and
clear
through
their
voice
and
email
letters.
In
fact,
the
supplemental
documents
to
this
may
25
meeting
demonstrate
more
than
10
to
1
ratio
against
development
using
this
faulty
land
use
plan.
Of
course,
many
proponents
are
large,
tax-based
organizations.
C
C
Thank
you
very
much,
honorable
mayor
and
city
council
and
staff.
I
live
in
newbury
park.
27
years,
a
homeowner
here
came
to
have
a
sleepy
town,
which
obviously
is
not,
but
I'm
so
concerned
regarding
the
trying
to
change
the
slow
growth
that
mr
jones
and
so
many
of
the
founders
work
so
so
hard
on
for
so
many
years
to
keep
this
a
gem,
a
real
dem
in
the
in
this
country.
Newberry
park,
I'm
talking
about
so
please,
no
known
over
development,
keep
it
slow
growth.
C
C
Technical
difficulties
earlier,
I
just
want
to
come
in
and
make
three
points
getting
the
honor
to
back
kind
of
clean
up
in
this
process.
Number
one
planning
strives
to
find
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
property.
It's
a
planning
principle
that
many
of
the
city
staff
can
recognize
and
have
used
throughout
this
entire
process.
Number
two
government
does
not
build
government
plans,
zones
studies
and
approves
something
to
keep
in
mind,
as
we
move
forward
on
the
process
is
what
is
our
role
here?
What
is
the
government's
role
here
tonight
and
number
three?
C
B
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
We
are
now
concluding
the
public
comments
section
we
went
a
little
bit
over
then
we
initially
anticipated.
We
will
now
move
to
the
consent
calendar.
Are
there
any
questions
regarding
our
consent?
Calendar
item
number
seven
on
the
agenda.
If
none,
then
I'm
going
to
have
mayor
protem
engler
make
a
motion.
L
E
B
A
A
A
K
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
mayor
here
with
you
virtually
this
evening,
as
had
a
pre-scheduled
trip
to
celebrate
one
nephew's
confirmation
and
another
one
was
grant
high
school
graduation
out
in
arizona.
So
the
I
wanted
to
offer
a
couple
of
comments
as
we
embark
on
a
discussion
this
evening
tonight
has
been
a
very
long
time
coming.
K
As
the
city
council
knows,
back
in
2018,
the
council
discussed
the
top
topic
of
a
general
plan
update
in
conjunction
with
our
next
housing
element
cycle
and
after
multiple
council
meetings
and
presentations
and
discussion
on
february
26
of
2019.
The
council
unanimously
tasked
staff
to
embark
on
a
comprehensive
general
plan
update
to
achieve
the
goals
of
defining
the
community's
vision
for
the
decades
ahead,
maintaining
quality
of
life
managing
future
growth
and
protecting
existing
single-family
neighborhoods
as
much
as
possible.
K
K
K
I've
said
several
times
during
this
process
that
we're
extremely
fortunate
to
have
one
of
the
authors
of
the
original
1970
general
plan
on
the
council.
Today,
it's
a
critical
linkage
to
our
origins
as
a
community
when
councilmember
jones
and
his
colleagues
crafted
the
plan
they
had
to
envision
a
community
based
on
raw
land.
K
K
I
would
argue
that
the
undertaking
that
this
undertaking
is
almost
as
important
as
that
original
effort
in
1970.
the
pace
of
change
in
society
today
is
jarring.
Our
retail
and
service
economy
is
shifting
dramatically
only
exacerbated
by
the
pandemic
and
state
regulatory
environment
is
growing
increasingly
stringent.
K
K
K
B
Thank
you,
mr
powers.
So
last
week
at
the
may,
18
special
city
council
meeting,
we,
the
council,
we
heard
staff
and
consultants,
presentations
and
all
of
us
council
members
were
able
to
make
statements
to
the
public.
We
received
public
comments.
Almost
five
hours
worth
and
council
made
final
statements
at
the
last
meeting
for
that
day.
B
I'm
going
to
ask
community
development
director
calvin
parker
to
facilitate
this
discussion
in
conjunction
with
matt
ramey
and
mark
town,
to
ensure
that
we,
the
city
council,
consider
all
aspects
of
the
land
use
map
and
to
ensure
that
staff
understands
the
direction
that
we
will
give
you
tonight.
So
if
my
colleagues
have
any
questions
of
staff,
you
may
ask
those
at
this
time
as
well.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
mark
town,
and
I
believe,
though,
that
will
you
address
some
of
the
comments
made
at
the
last
meeting.
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council.
I
will
do
just
that.
It's
a
it's
a
real
pleasure
to
be
here
tonight.
It's
exciting
to
be
part
of
this
this
project
and
to
continue
the
discussion
on
the
preferred
land
use
map
which
we
began
last
week.
M
What
I
wanted
to
do
is
is
was
just
mentioned
is
to
just
first
of
all
just
touch
base
on
a
few
key
points,
and
then
I
will
go
into
responses
to
quest
to
comments
we
heard
last
week
as
well
as
as
tonight.
We
didn't
get
to
this
point
this
evening.
Obviously
overnight
it
actually
began
in
2018.
We
had
several
council
meetings.
Then
I
was
a
part
of
all
of
this
in
in
2019
those
conversations
continued.
M
We
had
a
public
workshop
in
january
and
then
in
in
february
of
2019,
as
mr
powers
just
mentioned,
city
council
chose
to
go
forward
with
a
comprehensive
update
of
our
general
plan
and
on
the
right
side
of
this
slide.
M
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
understand
the
framework,
because
during
that
two
years
of
discussions,
we
did
consider
a
housing
element,
only
option
which
would
have
necessitated
the
updating
of
several
other
elements,
as
shown
here
on
on
this
slide,
we
also
looked
at
a
focused
update
which
would
have
added
a
circulation
economic
development,
and
then
we
looked
at
the
comprehensive
update,
and
that
was
the
the
direction
that
that
council
chose
to
go
in
february
of
2019
and
then,
of
course,
since
then
we
have
continued
to
to
move
in
that
direction.
M
As
I
mentioned
last
week,
lane
use
maps
are,
are
dynamic,
they're
not
static?
They
change.
This
image
shows
the
original
development
plan
from
1970
on
the
top
and
our
current
general
plan.
Today
on
the
bottom,
you
can
see
a
number
of
changes
simply
from
observing
those
two
maps,
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
emphasize
and
and
in
part
respond
to
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
last
week
and
tonight
in
terms
of
preserving
the
character
of
the
city.
M
This
plan,
this
preferred
land
use
map
that
we
are
discussing,
affects
a
very
small
portion
of
the
city.
It's
it's
less
than
three
percent.
As
shown
on
this
slide.
Those
are
the
actual
areas
of
true
change.
M
M
The
idea
is
to
be
true
and
to
honor
the
original
general
plan
and
and
the
the
great
foundation
that
it
provided
us,
but
with
also
a
a
look
to
the
future,
we're
the
third
step
of
a
five-step
process.
Just
so
everybody
knows
we're
not
through
this,
yet
we're
trying
to
finalize
the
preferred
language
map.
M
But
from
that
step
we
go
into
two
critical
steps,
and
that
is
the
environmental
analysis
of
the
land
use
map
and
working
with
the
state,
housing
and
community
development
staff
in
sacramento.
M
With
regard
to
the
housing
element,
which
is
one
of
the
required
elements,
it's
the
only
one
that
the
state
approves.
Those
two
key
steps
will
further
most
likely
further
refine
the
land
use
map
so
that
it
would
then
be
ready
for
your
consideration
next
year
in
2022.
So
this
is
still
it's
an
important
step
tonight,
but
it's
not
the
final
map.
M
There
were
comments
last
week
about
the
difference
between
a
general
plan
and
a
housing
element.
I
won't
go
into
all
of
these
details,
but
most
important
sort
of
takeaway
message
is
that
a
general
plan
is
a
long-term
vision
for
a
community.
It
looks
at
typically
25
years.
It
considers
a
wide
variety
of
topics,
whereas
a
housing
element
can
be
seen
as
a
subset
of
that
it
has
a
an
eight-year
cycle,
that's
defined
by
the
state.
M
It's
obviously
focused
just
on
on
housing,
quantity
and
type,
but
this
is,
as
I
mentioned
before,
obviously
a
comprehensive
journal
plan
update
and
the
focus
has
been
on
on
the
big
picture
and
long
term.
M
Now,
just
a
few
responses
to
public
comments.
From
last
week
we
heard
some
some
speakers
who
thought
there
should
be
additional
public
engagement
and
mr
powers
just
recited
some
of
the
the
methods
that
we
used
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
to
solicit
public
outreach.
We
we
really
tried
to
get
the
word
out.
We
used
a
lot
of
different
media
to
do
that.
M
Had
thousands
of
people
participate
and
we've
done
our
level
best
to
provide
a
land
use
mouth
that
reflects
that
input.
This
is
input
that
we
heard
from
the
community
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
there
were
comments
about.
Perhaps
we
should
let
sb
330,
which
is
the
housing
crisis
act
of
2019
expire.
It's
it's
currently
planned
to
expire
in
2025,
but
there's
also
already
a
bill
sb-8,
which
is
proposed
to
extend
it,
and
we
anticipate
fully
anticipate
that
it
will
be
extended.
M
M
In
fact,
as
noted
here,
two
lane
use
categories
with
with
taller
buildings
were
actually
deleted
from
from
consideration
some
time
ago,
and
just
also
that
there
are
a
number
of
areas
in
the
city
where
75
foot
tall
buildings
were
already
allowed,
for
instance,
at
the
oaks
mall,
and
many
of
the
the
areas
proposed
for
such
buildings
are
a
reflection
of
those
the
that
existing
height
there's
also
been
concern
that
the
some
of
the
existing
neighborhoods
may
experience
an
increase
in
density.
As
a
result
of
this
this
process-
that's
not
true.
M
There
will
be
no
up
zoning
in
the
neighborhood
low
category,
which
has
been
the
the
focus
of
such
comments.
We
have
stated
in
the
past
that
subcategories
will
be
developed
for
both
the
land,
neighborhood
low
and
medium
categories,
so
that
they
will
be
calibrated
to
reflect
the
density
on
the
ground.
So
just
the
opposite,
it
will
actually
limit
any
potential
future
growth
in
in
those
areas.
M
I
should
also
just
note
that
the
buildings
up
to
35
feet
are
already
allowed
in
in
our
existing
low
density
neighborhoods
with
additional
setbacks,
so
that
that's
already
a
given
the
study
of
potential
impacts.
We
heard
last
week,
and
we
heard
tonight
that
the
land
use
map
will
be
analyzed,
as
I
mentioned,
in
complete
compliance
with
the
california
environmental
quality
act
that
will
evaluate
traffic
infrastructure
schools
parks.
C
M
M
We
also
heard
comments
last
week
about
build
out
versus
growth
projections
just
quickly
full
bill.
That
is
a
theoretical
maximum
based
on
the
map.
Growth
projections
are
the
actual,
realistic
estimates
of
growth
based
on
market
conditions,
so
they're
two
different
metrics
and
I
think,
as
as
the
counseling
community
has
heard,
that
we
have
a
very,
very
low
growth
rate
here
over
the
past
eight
years,
as
shown
here,
the
average
has
been
about
100
units
a
year,
so
it's
been
quite
quite
modest.
M
M
Ms
wahl
brought
up
the
comment
about
not
having
data
on
the
source
areas
for
the
units
that
would
be
potentially
reallocated
and
and
staff
appreciates
that
comment
that
data
will
be
provided
after
the
land
use
map
is,
is
identified
and
we
know
how
many
units
we
need
to
to
reallocate,
and
so
that
will
be
done
and
as
we've
done
it
in
the
past,
mr
oakes
brought
up
property
on
hillcrest
drive
last
week,
and
and
tonight
we
have
looked
into
that-
and
that
is
a
it's
actually
two
parcels,
southeast
of
lone
oak
and
hillcrest.
M
That
is
it
for
me
at
this
time,
but
I
am
going
to
turn
the
the
next
section
of
the
presentation
over
to
mr
ian
holt.
He
is
a
senior
planner
in
our
department
and
we'll
talk
about
housing
in
in
the
arena.
B
Yes,
go
ahead,
mr
adam.
G
I
appreciate
mr
town
debunking
some
of
the
mischaracterizations
we
heard
last
week,
and
I
I
would
only
correct
one
thing
that
you
said
about
less
than
three
percent
of
the
city
is
in
involved
in
this
general
plan
update,
and
that
would
be
where
the
true
change
is.
I
would
call
it
not
true
change,
I
would
call
it
potential
change
potential
change
and
to
give
you
an
idea
what
I
mean
the
original
general
plan,
written
in
1970,
called
for
over
two
hundred
thousand
people
in
thousand
oaks,
never
happened.
G
It
called
for
an
airport
here
in
thousand
oaks,
never
happened,
call
for
a
cal,
a
college
on
lindero
canyon.
Road,
never
happened.
It
said
that
this
whole
area
that
we're
sitting
in
should
be
a
series
of
motels,
never
happened.
So
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is,
you
know
we're
planning
for
the
future.
We
don't
exactly
know
what
that
future
is
going
to
be,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
really
potential.
I
appreciate
you
pointing
out
that
there
are
no
seven
story,
buildings
being
called
for
in
this
plan.
G
B
Thank
you
and
as
a
reminder
to
my
council
colleagues,
you
can
certainly
click
on
the
speaker
tab
over
here
and
then
I
have
a
list
of
who
would
like
to
speak
yeah
just
so
that
we
can
have
it
in
order.
That's
that's
fine!
Thank
you.
So,
mr
parker,
oh
no,
mr
holt,
yeah.
J
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
council
members.
So
it's
part
of
the
public
comments
that
we've
heard
at
the
last
meeting,
as
well
as
just
the
the
variety
of
correspondence
we've
received
on
the
general
plan
update.
You
know
the
question
has
arisen.
Why
can't
we
just
plan
for
meeting
our
regional
housing
needs
allocation?
J
Yet
when
you
are
planning
for
housing
within
the
eight
year
cycle,
as
required
by
the
state
for
the
housing
element,
there's
a
variety
of
housing
site
criteria,
and
it's
really
based
on
the
site.
Feasibility
of
how
many
units
a
site
can
yield
on
that
property,
and
you
know
so.
You
know,
as
part
of
that,
once
the
land
use
plan
has
been
endorsed
by
the
council,
staff
will
be
then
analyzing
sites
as
far
as
their
feasibility
and
there's
a
variety
of
things
that
we
have
to
take
into
consideration.
J
You
know,
physical
features,
the
size,
the
shape
of
the
lot
other
pre-existing
conditions,
existing
buildings,
the
age
of
the
buildings,
floor
ratio
and
and
its
location
in
relation
to
other
services
within
the
city
as
well
as
transit
and
public
and
community
centers.
But
also
you
know,
are
these
properties
also
competitive
in
terms
of
getting
affordable
housing
funding?
J
J
F
Was
that
the
complete
presentation
I
didn't
want
to
interrupt
you.
J
No,
I
have
about
four
or
five
more
slides.
Why.
J
Thank
you
all
right,
so
you
know.
As
such,
you
know,
given
this
site
criteria,
the
city
will
need
to
plan
for
a
buffer,
so
you
know
planning
for
exactly
meeting
the
arena
allocation
number
which
in
this
case
is
2
621
units.
J
J
The
larger
number
that
has
been
talked
about
is
really
to
help
address,
how
we
can
achieve
those
housing
goals
or
those
needs
into
the
future
cycles,
because
this
is
a
25-year
plan
and
excuse
me
so
and
also
you
know,
there
was
also
the
point
brought
up
was
why
can't
the
housing
be
put
all
in
the
oaks
or
the
jans
mall
or
over
in
the
rancho
canejo
area,
and
actually
the
there
is
the
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing
opportunities,
there's
a
criteria
that
you
actually
disperse
it
throughout
the
city
so
concentrating
in
that
one
area.
J
Also,
you
know
in
terms
of
what
we
demonstrate
on
an
individual
site
for
hcd
to
consider
you
can't
just
assume
the
maximum
density
is
used
for
the
calculation.
You
have
to
kind
of
result
to
a
minimum
density
or
a
historic
trend,
and
then
for
the
purposes
of
affordable
housing.
That
range
would
have
to
be
20
units
at
a
minimum.
J
Here
to
the
acre
up
to
a
maximum
of
30
units
to
the
acre,
you
have
to
allow
the
ability
up
to
30
units
the
acre
to
actually
qualify
to
designate
sites
for
low-income
housing,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
the
trends
here,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
city
has
been
reliant
on
density
bonus
projects
actually
to
achieve
the
small
amount
of
affordable
housing
and
the
minimum
density
of
20
units.
J
J
But
you
know
in
reality,
given
the
you
know,
the
existing
leaseholds-
and
you
know
some
of
the
users
and
so
forth,
more
practically
speaking,
only
a
quarter
or
a
third
of
the
site
could
be
used
and
if
you
assume
just
three
acres
of
this
site
is
used
at
20
units,
the
acre,
that's
basically
60
units
would
be
an
example
of
a
site
identified
for
the
purposes
of
the
housing
element.
That's
basically
19
of
the
capacity
that's
been
assigned
to
this
property.
J
And
then
another
example,
we
have
is
in
the
thousand
oaks
specific
plan
area
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
Currently
this
is
just
an
example
site,
but
it's
currently
an
rv
property.
It's
about
a
little
over
one
acre,
and
it
too
is
also
having
a
proposed
designation
of
mixed
use,
low
at
30
units
to
the
acre
that
gives
it
a
capacity
of
32
units.
J
J
So
you
know
to
put
this
in
context
with
some
of
the
surrounding
properties.
You
have,
you
know
a
property
to
the
west.
It's
currently
almost
entirely
building
on
the
property,
and
that
probably
would
not
be
a
likely
candidate,
some
of
the
other
ones
that
have
to
sit
to
the
west
or
to
the
east.
That
are
question
marks.
You
know
possibly
due
to
the
age
of
the
buildings
and
other
circumstances
or
vacancy
rates
those
could
be
considered,
but
those
would
have
to
be
evaluated
further
to
really
determine
whether
they
are
eligible.
J
Then
you
have
across
the
street.
You
know
a
relatively
new
commercial
development
that
has
you
know
a
lot
of
recent
improvements
gone
into
it.
J
So
you
know
that
is
not
a
good
candidate
at
this
point
so
and
then
moving
on
to
the
last
example,
the
oaks
mall
I
mean
the
oaks
mall
is
about
83.6
acres
in
total
and
again,
as
we
apply
the
mixed-use
low
designation
at
30
units
to
the
acre
that
yields
a
capacity
of
2508
units,
but
in
reality
over
the
next
eight
years
you
know,
can
we
really
consider
the
entire
property?
J
No,
and
if
you
just
look
at
one
of
the
more
easterly
south
easterly
parcels
out
of
the
mall,
that's
about
seven
acres
that
would
yield
212
units
at
20
units
to
the
acre
overall,
that's
8.5
percent,
the
overall
capacity
of
oak
small.
F
You
for
that
wonderful
presentation
to
clarify
a
few
things.
Sacramento
has
come
down
to
say
to
the
county.
You
have
to
have
so
many
housing
units
over
the
next
eight
years
called
the
regional
needs,
housing
assessment
and
we've
been
assigned
26
21
units
that
we
have
to
set
aside,
but
not
necessarily
build
in
whatever
we
do
here.
Is
that
a
correct
statement.
J
Correct
we
are
basically
planning
for
them.
It's
not
indicative
of
a
built
building
quota
per
se.
F
And
as
you
say,
that
buffer
is
one
where
we
have,
let's
say,
an
acre
of
land
that
would
allocate
let's
say
30
dwelling
units,
because
it's
30
dwelling
growing
units
per
acre,
but
many
times
you
won't
be
able
to
build
out
to
30
units
because
you
have
roads
coming
in
roads
out
parking
and
so
forth
that
it
would
be
reduced.
Is
that
a
is
that
a
fair
statement?
F
In
other
words,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
use
the
entire
acre
to
build
those
30
units?
What
would
what
would
be
the
limiting
factors
that
you'd
say?
Well,
we've
got
an
acre
of
land
30
units,
but
you
know
we're
only
going
to
be
able
to
put
10
units
on
this
acre.
I
want
you
to
elaborate
as
to
what
would
be
the
limiting
factor
to
reduce
down
that
30
down
to
10.
J
J
You
have
some
properties
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
that
actually
have
a
flood
plain
across
the
back
of
them.
I
mean
those
are
all
considerations
that
would
reduce
the
yield
on
a
particular
property,
and
you
know
with
that.
Actually,
so,
if
you
had
a
site
identified
for
a
number
of
units-
and
let's
say
a
developer,
came
in
and
didn't
meet
that
exact
amount.
J
This
is
where
that
the
no
net
loss
law
comes
into
play.
So,
and
you
know
quite
honestly,
that's
also
why
we
need
a
buffer,
because,
as
development
occurs,
it
doesn't
always
just
line
up
with
whatever
we
have
shown
to
the
state,
so
you
always
need
with
the
no
net
loss
law
the
ability
to
point
to
another
available
site
that
helps
absorb
that
meet
that
capacity,
because
each
individual
development
may
not
produce
exactly
what
we've
identified
in
the
housing
element
and.
F
J
Well,
it's
it's
it's
hard
to
say
until
we
really
get
into
it,
but
I
would
just
say,
for
example,
for
the
last
housing
element
cycle.
We
had
255
units
and
that
was
spread
across
the
different
income
categories.
J
J
You
know,
that's
it's
really
hard
to
say.
I
think,
as
I've
said,
I
mean
casting
a
wide
neck
net
allows
the
flexibility
of
picking
sites
for
that
buffer,
and
you
know,
and
also
you
know,
some
development
will
occur
on
sites
that
are
not
designated
for
housing
under
the
housing
element
as
well.
So
you
know
the
buffer
provides
that
added
benefit
of
sites
that
just
organically
you
know,
are
being
requested
to
be
developed
with
residential.
J
F
Okay
again,
I
appreciate
your
crystal
ball,
not
being
as
good
as
others,
but
I
appreciate
your
consideration
of
the
question.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
B
Now
we
have
tenfold
the
number
and
can
you
please
explain
the
process
with
skag
the
southern
california
council
of
association
of
governments
to
how
they,
how
that
process
works,
namely
they
go
to
each
city
and
they
ask
for
a
growth
projection
and
based
on
the
numbers
that
cities
give
to
skag.
Then
they
come
up
with
numbers.
So
if
you
could
take
us
to
why
we're
here
today,
from
the
very
first
step.
J
Well,
you
know,
as
far
as
the
first
steps,
the
the
growth
projections
that
skag
proposed
as
part
of
their
one
of
their
regional
plans,
their
regional
transportation
plan
and
sustainable
community
strategy.
J
They
do
growth
projections
and
they
solicit
feedback
from
each
community
and
the
we
responded
to
their
growth
projections,
which
were
quite
a
lot
bigger
than
what
we've
experienced
and
at
that
time,
staff
responded
with
a
response
that
basically
took
into
account
the
development
trends
that
we
had
annually,
as
well
as
an
anticipation
of
an
increased
arena
allocation.
J
However,
those
growth
projections
we
provided
skag
were
ultimately
used
as
part
of
the
formula
that
they
used
to
generate
the
arena
that
we
received
today,
so
they
honored
the
growth
projections
that
we
gave
feedback
on
and
also
those
growth
projections
are
still
being
used
by
skag
for
their
other
documents
as
well.
As
far
as
the
the
2020
version
of
the
rtp
scs
was.
J
Well,
I
mean
that
time
frame
that
was
about
2018,
I
mean
whatever
the
the
latest
data
from
the
department
of
finance
was
they
used?
Take
that
into
consideration
as
well.
As
you
know
what
the
trends
that
we
have,
I
mean
you
know
the
city
doesn't
itself
keep
track
of
those
numbers,
but
you
have
a
variety
of
you
know
the
census
bureau,
the
american
community
surveys
that
are
typically
have
five-year
projections
and
they
update
them.
H
Madam
mayor,
if
I
could
also
expand
on
some
of
the
comments
that
mr
holt
made
when
in
every
housing
cycle,
I've
noticed
over
the
past
20
plus
years,
every
housing
cycle-
and
I'm
sure
you
have
too
you'll-
have
different
rules
that
are
passed
and
hcd
every
year
is
looking
at
new
ways
of
accounting
for
housing,
and
so
they
pass
new
rules
on
how
you
count
a
piece
of
property.
Well,
one
thing:
that's
noticeable
with
this
arena
cycle
is:
they
are
looking
at
population
projections,
but
they
also
increased
the
arena.
H
Requirements
based
on
existing
needs,
in
other
words,
housing.
That's
overcrowded
and
cost
burden
families
as
well,
so
the
number
that
that
they
provided
actually
went
down
as
you're
as
you're.
Well
aware,
we
had
a
significantly
higher
number,
it
did
go
down,
but
it's
based
on
population
projection,
but
it's
also
based
on
other
factors
as
well.
B
Okay,
I'm
asking
the
question
because
for
the
last
18
years,
we've
heard
that
thousand
oaks
is
at
or
near
build
out
and
all
of
a
sudden
we're
having
to
make
room
for
thousands
of
units.
When
I
look
at
other
cities
that
such
as
beverly
hills,
I
think
they
were
they're
required
to
make
room
for
only
14
homes,
for
example,
but
the
city
has
rent
control,
so
their
their
problems
are
are
different.
B
So
I'm
just
trying
to
give
to
get
a
picture
and
paint
a
picture
of
why
we
are
now
all
of
a
sudden
facing
a
drastic
increase
in
providing
a
number
of
of
homes
which.
H
Is
inducted
yeah
and
you
make
a
really
good
point
mayor
bill
de
la
pena,
but
I'd
also,
you
know,
go
back
to
the
one
before
2014.
I
think
it
was
2006..
That
number
was
1847,
so
it
was
much
more
similar.
I
would
actually
argue
that
the
last
reunion
cycle
was
a
totally
given
it
was.
It
happened
just
right
after
you
know
the
housing
bust
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
but
this
this
arena
cycle
is
a
little
bit
more
consistent
with
the
you
know
the
this.
B
And
then
before
I
call
on
my
colleagues
as
well,
who
would
like
to
chime
in
if
we
had
not
done
a
comprehensive
general
plan
update
and
faced
with
a
request
by
well,
not
a
request,
a
mandate
by
the
state
to
provide
for
a
for
for
affordable
housing
and
additional
housing.
How
would
we
have
gone
about
that.
J
Well,
essentially,
we
would
have
to
take
a
look
at
the
existing
map
and
see
what
we
could
yield,
but
then,
if
we
are
unable
to
meet
our
arena
by,
what's
shown
on
the
map
today,
we
would
have
to
adopt
what
they,
the
housing
law
says.
Rezoning
programs,
but
I
mean
essentially
show
areas
that
you
are
going
to
be
committed
to
redesignating
for
the
purposes
of
housing.
J
B
B
Oaks
that
has
really
been
developed
at
under
capacity
and
now
really
we
thought
we
were
build
out
for
so
long.
How
is
a
city
then
able
to
somehow
find
if
we're
not
spot
zoning
or
spot
designating?
Where
would
we
then,
or
how
would
we
find
additional
areas
to
meet
the
state
mandates.
H
I'll
just
add
that
you
know
you
know
again.
This
is
a
general
plan,
we're
talking
housing,
but
the
state
really
doesn't
look
at
capacity
as
as
a
basis
to
reduce
numbers,
and
I
did
actually
look
beverly
hills
up
and
they
they
actually
were
allocated
over
three
thousand
units.
This
range.
B
H
This
year,
it's
it's
over
three
thousand.
H
Madam
mayor
might
have
suggested
before
we
have
more
questions
that
we
go
back
to
staff
presentation,
because
possibly
some
of
those
questions
will
be
answered
by
staff.
Okay,
if
my
colleagues.
B
Are
okay
with
that,
mr
adam
and
mr
angler,
mr
mcnamee,
would
you
like
to
ask
questions
now?
Mr
adam
go
ahead:
okay,.
G
G
Southern
california,
association
of
governments
is,
I
suppose,
complying
with
sacramento
and
and
we
were
tasked
with
a
bigger
number
than
usual
and
of
course,
meeting
our
arena.
Requirements
is
very
important,
but
we
have
a
double
task
tonight,
because
we're
also
being
asked
to
consider
a
general
plan
that
plans
out
not
just
short
term
but
25
years
out
into
the
future.
So
you
have
to
balance
the
two.
J
Well,
yes,
I
mean
again,
I
mean
I
think
it
goes
back
to
yeah,
anticipating
you
know
how
and
creating
flexibility
in
how
we
can
grow.
J
So
that
could
be
a
simple
goal,
but
I
mean
I
mean,
as
far
as
you
know,
you
want
to
have
the
ability
to
help
absorb
the
housing
needs
over
those
next
couple
cycles
beyond
the
upcoming
one.
M
You,
madam
mayor,
actually
at
this
at
this
point,
we
are
going
to
bring
in
matt
ramey,
who
will
contribute
to
the
discussion,
as
we
begin
to
delve
into
the
the
section
of
tonight's
presentation,
where
we
receive
your
your
input
so.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mark
good
evening,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
nice,
to
see
you
all
virtually
once
again.
I
If
we
could
switch
over
to
the
presentation,
we
have
just
a
couple
more
slides
before
we
launch
into
what
we're
doing
for
the
rest
of
the
evening,
just
as
we
as
we
go
into
the
the
discussion
just
again
want
to
remind
us
that
we're
here
doing
a
comprehensive
general
plan
update
it's
not
just
housing
element
and
that
a
lot
of
what
we
have
done
and
a
lot
of
what
is
presented
is
here
to
allow
flexibility
for
the
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
meet
its
housing
element
requirements,
but
more
important
than
that.
I
It's
really
about
creating
a
vision
for
the
future
of
the
city
and
we've
heard
throughout
the
process.
We've
talked
to
thousands
of
people
during
the
process
that,
while,
while
everyone
really
loves
thousand
oaks,
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
perfect.
There
are
things
that
are
need
to
change
either
because
of
of
past
decisions
or
because
of
potential
challenges
that
are
coming
up
in
the
future,
such
as
changing
retail
or
driverless
vehicles,
or
changes
in
lifestyle
or
affordable
housing.
I
So
there's
there's
lots
of
reasons
why
the
community,
during
the
process,
has
identified
things
that,
where,
where
a
slow
evolution
of
the
city
should
happen,
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
came
up
in
the
process
is
that
everyone
values
the
high
quality
of
services
in
the
city
and
everyone's
very
proud
of
the
biotech
sector
and
the
jobs
that
are
in
the
city.
And
what
we've
heard
from
the
employers
time
and
again,
is
that
it
is
very
difficult
for
them
to
to
attract
and
retain
employees.
I
Given
the
housing
costs
in
the
city
and
given
the
lifestyle
of
the
city,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
look
at
was
how
do
we?
How
do
we
use
the
underutilized
land
in
the
city
in
order
to
create
a
win-win
situation
where
the
employers
can
keep
their
employees
in
the
city
and
attract
new
employees?
How
can
they
expand
and
then
how
can
we
provide
for
goods
and
services,
public
services
for
the
residents
of
the
city
as
tax
revenues
increase
more
services
can
be
provided.
I
One
of
the
other
advantages
to
doing
this
comprehensive
update
is
that
we
don't
go
parcel
by
parcel.
It
is
creating
a
vision.
It's
not
spot
zoning
to
pick
one
a
person
here
and
a
parcel
there,
which,
according
to
state
law,
is
really
not
a
legal
way
of
doing
long-range
next
slide.
Please
so
again,
we
don't
have
any
more
to
really
present.
I
We
know
we
have
a
very
challenging
task
this
evening,
and-
and
so
what
I
would
actually
like
to
propose
is
that
we
break
up
the
questions
and
break
up
the
discussion
into
manageable
chunks,
and
so,
if
I
may,
madam
mayor,
what
I'd
like
to
propose
is
that
we
first
start
with
questions,
but
that
maybe
we
handle
questions
topically
and
I
can
go
through
a
series
of
topics
that
that
I
have
heard
so
far
from
from
the
community
and
from
the
council
of
things
you
may
want
to
ask
questions
on.
I
You
can
then
ask
your
questions
for
that
topic.
We
can
move
on
to
the
next
topic
and
then
once
we
get
through
the
questions
and
I'd
like
to
propose
that
that
the
questions
aren't
site-specific
or
area
specific,
but
they're
really
broad.
Once
we
get
into
the
discussion,
we
can
move
through
the
different
areas
that
we
showed
you
last
time
in
the
presentation
we
can
take.
I
Questions
on
that
area
have
a
discussion
and
then
we're
proposing
to
vote
by
area
so
that
we
can
move
through
the
map
and
then
at
the
end
some
summary
thoughts
breaks
could
be
interspersed
in
between
throughout
the
process.
So,
madam
mayor,
can
I
ask
if
if
this
approach
would
work
with
you,
because
if
it
is,
we
can
help
facilitate
the
discussion?
I
B
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
ask
my
colleagues
how
they
feel
about
that.
Mr
councilmember
mcnamee
go
ahead.
F
I
I
want
to
ask
mr
holt
or
mr
parker
or
mr
town
that
the
following
question,
because
it
would
not
be
specific
for
what
mr
ramey
is
suggesting
here,
so
it's
appropriate.
I
think
at
this
point
again,
thousand
oaks
is
98
99
built
out
as
far
as
land
availability.
From
my
understanding
correct
me.
F
If
I'm
wrong
on
that,
we
have
arena
cycles
that
are
coming
up
every
eight
years
that
the
state
is
mandating
for
us
to
fix
their
messes
in
sacramento
for
lack
of
housing
that
they
want
all
the
cities
in
california
to
fix,
and
thus
it's
being
thrust
upon
the
cities
from
sacramento.
To
do
this.
F
If
we
come
out
with
this
general
plan
for
the
next
25
years,
what's
to
say
that
we
don't
have
any
availability
of
land
to
meet
sacramento's
request
of
us,
my
thought
is:
we're
left
into
what
I
call
vertical
sprawl
that
we
now
have
to
go
up
higher
or
we
have
to
do
eminent
domain
and
take
over
property
and
change
it
over
at
what
point
does
sacramento
stop
doing
this
because
we
are
all
in
our
cities?
Gonna
run
out
of
land
and,
as
a
result,
make
some
very
challenging
decisions.
F
J
Yes,
councilmember
mcnee,
you
know
in
terms
of
the
the
city's
build
out,
I
mean
I
I
would
maybe
kind
of
put
it
in
terms
of
you
know
how
measure
e
is,
I
mean
measure
e
identifies
you
know,
81
124
units
and
we're
approximately
48
000
units
on
the
ground
today,
so
I
mean
that,
isn't
quite
you
know
a
98
build
out
now,
albeit
a
lot
of
that
capacity
is
resides
in
our
existing
communities
and
part
of
the
exercise
that
we're
going
through
today
is
how
can
we
move
that
excess
capacity
to
areas
that
can
redevelop?
J
So
you
know,
and
in
terms
of
how
the
state
you
know
as
we
as
housing
element
cycles
progress
over
the
years
yeah
I
mean
that's
something
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
consider.
Is
you
know,
infill
development
and
the
scale
of
that
as
a
possibility
to
accommodate
whatever
those
future
housing
needs
are
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
L
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
We
we
have
been
at
what
we
always
consider
to
be
build
out
we're
getting
close.
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
though,
is
that
measure
e
n
sb
330
has
identified
the
number
of
81
000
units
we're
currently
at
48
plus,
and
I
appreciate
what
my
colleague
is
saying
about
the
state
and
I
I
will
tell
you
a
a
person
in
the
state
told
me
a
few
years
ago
when
I
I
brought
up
that
that
argument
that
we
are
at
build
out.
L
L
So
as
as
we
look
forward
to
this,
how
do
we
create
a
general
plan
that
addresses
that?
So
I
think
my
question
to
you
as
you
look
in
your
crystal
ball.
Where
do
you
see
the
state
mandates
coming
down
in
in
the
future?
It's
a
difficult
question
and
speculation.
I
understand,
but
I
know
in
the
past
that
was
brought
up
to
me.
H
I
I
can
probably
answer
just
a
little
bit
again
just
having
gone
through
various
arena.
Housing
cycles.
Every
cycle
is
different.
You
know
this.
This
one
has
been
pretty
intense
because
of
the
hard
push
by
the
state
for
cities
to
provide
more
opportunities
for
housing,
development
and
the
belief
that
cities
are
actually
an
impediment
to
the
production
of
housing.
You
know,
but
again,
the
prior
housing
element.
H
It
wasn't
as
difficult
and
and
the
numbers
weren't
as
high.
So
it
really
is
hard
to
predict
what
will
happen
over
the
next
couple
of
arena
housing
cycles.
What
I
what
I
can
tell
you,
however,
is
that
you
know
the
state
is
hyper
focused
on
housing.
I
mean
there's
what
I
think
over
200
bills,
just
this
year
focused
solely
on
housing.
They
are
incredibly
focused
on
housing,
so
you
know
for
this
cycle.
It's
it's
a
much
more
difficult
one
compared
to
the
last
one,
but
we
can't
predict
what
it'll
be
at
the
next
cycle.
L
Just
just
one
comment,
because
I'm
I'm
also
on
some
of
the
league
of
city
committees,
the
state
I
wrote
these
down
for
you
on
top
of
the
sb8,
which
is
the
extension
of
of
the
330
they're,
looking
at
a
thing
called
sp9,
which
would
automatically
allow
up
to
six
units
on
a
single
family
residence
lot,
there's
another
one
sb6
which
would
mandate
residential
in
all
commercial
zones.
Correct.
There's.
L
B
Thank
you,
as
we
switch
over
to
ed
jones,
who
would
I
also
like
to
weigh
in
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I
think
I
signed
about
four
letters
in
opposition
to
housing
bills
that
are
really
just
really
not
tethered
to
reality
in
a
sense
eliminating
all
parking.
B
For
example,
I
mean
some
really
heavy
duty
bills
are
coming,
are
being
considered
and
it
I
have
to
wonder
really
who
is
driving
this
and-
and
there
are
well
known,
sacrament
northern
sacramento
lawmakers
who
are
driving
this
unfortunately,
and
we're
all
paying
the
price
for
that,
and
so
that
is
just
really
unfortunate.
But.
K
And
madam
mayor,
if
I,
if
I
might
just
to
build
on
that
point,
that
juice
made
those
letters
and
all
the
others
for
the
past
several
years
we've
signed
is
you
can
find
those
if
the
member
of
public
would
like
to
see
those
at
toc.org
housing?
So
unless
anyone
thinks
that
we're
not
out
there
on
the
front
lines
every
day
combating
these
things,
it
is
it's
all
out
there
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
teox.org.
B
Thank
you
so
much
mr
powers.
Our
city
attorney
already
sent
letters
last
year
requesting
an
extension
to
the
housing
deadline
because
of
the
pandemic.
Hcd
in
sacramento
said
no
we're
not
giving
you
an
extension.
I
tried,
I
contacted
lobbyists,
the
league
of
california
cities.
I
contacted
the
committee
itself
in
sacramento,
wrote
letters.
We
need
an
extension,
we're
you're
asking
us
to
do
this
during
a
pandemic.
We're
not
able
to
get
enough
public
input
and
they
just
did
not
react
nothing,
so
it
is
the
reality
of
what's
happening
up
there.
E
I
don't
know
if
the
state
with
bearing
that
in
mind
would
see
the
illogic
of
what
they're
suggesting,
but
I
hear
our
city
attorneys
say
we
want
like
as
strong
a
general
plan
in
the
future
as
we
can
have,
and
I
think
suggests,
going
out
25
years.
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
legislatures
come
and
go
especially
ours
which
has
term
limits.
E
H
But
what
I
can
say
to
council
member
jones
is
that
the
pattern
or
the
trend
of
the
state
legislature
to
impose
housing
mandates.
It's
not
a
recent
event.
It's
not
a
recent
occurrence.
This
has
been
going
on
for
at
least
the
last,
what
10
years,
a
serious
focus
from
the
alleged
state
legislature
to
add
more
housing
and
again
as
a
reminder,
this
current
arena
cycle
is
not
just
based
on
population
projections.
It's
also
based
on
existing
need
based
on
overcrowding
and
cost
burden,
families.
E
Well,
if
it's
based
on
overcrowding,
you're
asking
us
to
increase
crowding
to
you,
know,
make
the
numbers
that
doesn't
sound
logical,
yeah
from.
E
And
I
see
the
term
affordable
being
used
well,
when
we
approve
housing,
we
get
about
90
some
percent
market
rate
and
maybe
five
percent
affordable.
So
if
that's
what's
motivating
them
they're
not
getting
that
either
they're
they're
just
getting
a
lot
of
market
rate
housing
that
is
getting
less
and
less
affordable
in
thousand
oaks.
When
somebody
pays
what
was
it
37
million
for
the
kmart
death
site?
E
E
We
just
thought
about
the
beautiful
valley
and
the
wonderful
open
space
and
the
raw
land
and
preserving
the
dominant
vistas
as
a
term
that
bill
gatch
used
to
use-
and
you
know
we
have
all
all
this
beauty
and
to
think
that
we're
being
motivated
to
do
a
major
change
in
our
general
plan
best
based
on
trying
to
prevent
from
being
punished
what
a
terrible
reason
to
plan
for
the
use
of
this
magnificent
place.
We
live
in
I'm
talking
too
much,
but
I
was
over.
E
E
I
actually
didn't
name
the
town
today,
the
but
there
there
are
no
of
the
no
beautiful
views
and
I
would
hate
to
think
if
we're
going
to
try
to
persuade
per
serve
open
space,
as
councilman
mcnamee
just
said,
we're
gonna
have
to
build
up
and
we
start
building
up.
You
eliminate
all
these
views,
and
not
only
did
we
call
for
more
low
density
in
the
original
general
plan,
but
we
also
had
a
hillside
ordinance
to
protect
the
the
ridgelines
and
prevent
high
vertical
cuts.
E
We
had
a
oak
tree
ordinance
for
to
protect
oak
trees
and
other
specimens.
This
was
all
done
for
the
beauty
of
this
valley.
God
created
this
valley
and
we're
so
luck,
it's
so
lucky
that
we
have
it
and
in
the
way
you
know
you
know,
in
the
name
of
satisfying
sacramento,
to
obscure
this
beautiful
place.
I
think
we
ought
to
fight
tooth
and
nail
to
to
oppose
it.
That's
enough
of
my
speech
matter.
B
I
I
Thank
you.
I
I
want
to
just
respond
to
what
mr
jones
said,
because
I
think
he's
absolutely
right
and
the
purpose
of
what
we
are
doing
here
is
not
necessarily
responding
to
hcd
the
purpose
of
our
entire
process
that
we
ran
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
was
to
think
about
the
vision
of
the
city,
and
so
that's
what
was
presented.
Yes,
it
is
true.
The
city
has
to
respond
and
to
state
regulations
which
are
continuing
to
be
about
housing,
but
you
know
I.
I
I
do
think
that
what
we
did
was
put
together
the
vision
from
what
the
community
had
said
that
they
wanted,
and
you
know
I
I
do
think
we
have
a
daunting
task
again
this
evening
to
try
and
go
through
the
the
comments
and
the
conversation
I
wish
there
was
something
cities
could
do
about
hcd
and
the
state
and
what
they're
doing,
but
they
can't-
and
so
I
think,
the
most
that
cities
are
doing
now
and
the
best,
which
is
what
they
should
do
anyway,
is
to
create
the
vision
that
they
want
for
the
future.
I
And
so
that's
what
was
on
what
was
presented.
I
had
asked
about
whether
we
want
to
go
through
topically
and
ask
questions.
I
I'm
wondering
whether
we
should
do
that
or
whether
we
we
want
to
just
kind
of
go
whatever
go
in
order.
B
We
can
certainly
ask
questions
mr
ramey,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
the
reason
we
came
up
with
this
when
2017,
I
think
was
when
the
idea
was
born
is
because
we
realized
that
our
capacity
was
at
81
000
units,
and
there
was
really
no
reality
to
to
that
number
because
we
were
considered
to
be
at
or
near
build
out
and
we
wanted
to
bring
that
number
down,
because
there
is
really
very
little
space
left
to
to
build
and
lots
of
cities
had
that
same
thought
and
then
sacramento
came
down
with
sb
330
and
said
you
cannot
lower
your
capacity
and
then
we
were
stuck
with
a
general
plan
update
where
we
couldn't
do
what
we
initially
wanted
to
do,
and
that
is
really
the
reason
why
why
we
attempted
this.
B
But
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
other
cities
in
california,
which
are
undergoing
a
general
plan
update,
are
very
frustrated
with
constant
new
laws,
bills
being
passed
in
the
middle
of
cities,
updating
their
general
plan
and
so
sacramento.
It
keeps
moving
the
goal
post
and
it
is
very
frustrating
when
you
attend
the
league
of
california,
city's
webinars
and
other
meetings.
As
my
colleague
mayor
pro
tem
engler
does
as
well
and
and
and
hear
the
frustration
that
we
really
can't
do
what
we
want
to
do
because
sacramento
says
otherwise.
B
F
I
Okay,
so
if
I
so,
are
there
other
kind
of
broad
questions
about
landy's
designations
or
overall
direction
or
the
process
before
we
jump
into
the
area
specific.
I
Sorry
are
there,
are
there
questions
about
the
process
that
we
went
through
to
get
here
or
any
other
questions
broadly,
or
should
we
jump
in
to
the
start
in
our
first
area.
I
Sure,
okay,
if
we
could
maybe
put
up
the
slides
again,
the
first
area
that
and
again
we're
not
going
to
do
we're
not
going
to
present.
But
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
start
with
the
west
lake
and
east
end
area.
You
know
what
I
propose
is
that
we
first
start
with
questions
about
the
land
use
map,
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
here
in
terms
of
what
you're
looking
at
and
then
once
we
get
through
that.
I
Maybe
if
the
council
wants
to
give
either
any
recommended
changes
or
if
they
agree
with
the
direction,
then
say
that
as
well.
So
first.
K
Matters
questions
oh
yeah,
yeah
yeah.
I
might
just
stress
that
I
think
our
plan
for
the
council
here
we're
gonna,
take
two
areas.
First,
we're
gonna.
I
think
our
intent
is
to
talk
about
the
westlake
and
east
end
area
and
the
area
around
the
oaks.
Jans
moorpark
road
area
take
those
areas
and
then
get
all
the
feedback
to
answer
any
questions.
I
That's
that's
correct,
so
why
don't
we
start
with
questions
all.
B
Right
who
wants
to
go
first
regarding
questions
on
westlake
and
east
end?
Is
it
mr
jones,
no
you're,
I
think
you
meant
to
remove
your
name.
E
F
Yes,
I'm
looking
at
the
area,
north
thousand
oaks,
boulevard
and
westlake,
and
that
looks
like
it's
designated
mixed-use
medium.
Is
that
correct,
and
I
wish
we
had
a
pointer
here
if,
on
the.
I
Slide,
if
that
would
help
north
of
1008
oaks
boulevard
is
designated
as
commercial
town
the
mixed
use.
There
is
no,
there
is
no
mixed
use
medium
anywhere
on.
F
I
Map
there's
only
mixed
use
low,
which
is
the
purple.
F
L
That
that
location
is
is
pretty
much
what
exists
now
the
shopping
centers
there
is
that
correct.
M
In
the
the
commercial
town
that
would
be
35
feet
and
it's
proposed
to
be
50
feet.
Yes,
yes,
the
commercial
town
would
be
50
feet
and
the
the
purpose
there
is
to
allow
for
a
little
bit
better
building
articulation.
F
Again,
my
challenge
is
going
from
35
to
55.
When
you
have
homes
that
are
behind
there,
you'd
be
blocking
their
views
as
we
cherish
so
much
here.
My
preference
would
be
to
leave
it
at
35
feet
where
it
is
right
now
and
not
to
go
to
55
feet
for
those
commercial
town
right
behind
the
next
to
the
hillcrest
area.
The
I
guess
would
be
west
lake
hills.
M
So
if,
if
that
was
the
direction
that
the
council
chose
to
go,
then
the
the
appropriate
landings
category
would
be
commercial
neighborhood,
which
goes
up
to
35
feet.
E
I
can
see
where
this
is
going
to
get
very
complicated,
because
these
different
designations
have
different
parts
in
each
designation.
I
I
would
echo
what
mr
mcnamee
said:
I'd
like
to
see
the
height
stay
at
35
feet,
but
I'm
also
not
sold
on
mixed
use
for
that
location.
I
I
think
I'd
rather
see,
as
I
think
you
just
suggested,
mark
a
neighborhood
low
is,
would
that
be
it
or
what.
I
Was
that
that
area
currently
is,
is
commercial
there's
not
mixed
use
in
that
area.
E
I
At
this
point
right
now,
the
map
is
only
commercial,
it
doesn't
allow
residential,
and
the
recommendation
from
mr
mcnaby
was
to
change
it
from
commercial
town
to
commercial
neighborhood,
which
is
essentially
reducing
the
height
from
50
feet
to
35
feet.
Both
of
those
scenarios
have
do
not
allow
residential.
B
M
It's
proposed
to
be
commercial
regional,
which
is
also
75
feet,
the
entire
strip,
by
the
way
east
of
the
hyatt,
where
the
existing
office
buildings
are.
That
also,
today
is
75
feet
in
height
in
terms
of
zoning
potential.
This
is
proposed
to
reduce
that
to
commercial
town,
which
is
50
feet
in
height.
B
Okay,
the
commercial
town
has,
the
pro
is
okay,
that
is
those
are
the
office
buildings,
correct
east
of.
M
C
I
B
Okay,
so
mixed
use
low
at
50
feet.
We
do
know
that
their
project
was
green
lighted
and
we
don't
know
whether
they
will
be
when
they
will
be
coming
back
or
I'm
just
wondering.
Can
we
leave
it
at
institutional
and
then,
when
they
come
back
before
the
council,
we
can
still
do
general
plan
amendment
as
they
initially
requested.
Madam
city
attorney.
H
K
Yeah
that
gets
to
the
madam
mayor
that
gets
to
the
core
of
why
we
push
these
pre-screens
through
was
to
maximize
council's
control,
but
these
will
come
through
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
entire
general
plan,
and
you
know
granted
some
may
fall
off
and
not
process
through,
but
for
those
that
choose
to
move
forward.
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
consider
all
of
those
beforehand.
B
H
Correct
what
originally,
what
staff
was
thinking
again
was
based
on
community
input
that
was
not
as
supportive
of
residential
housing
in
that
location
based
on
and
also
some
concerns
over
over
again,
it's
a
it's
a
single
parcel
right
now,
but
then
again
after
further
discussions
and
looking
at
the
process
and
the
timeline
for
the
pre-screen
staff
determined
that,
because
the
application
will
be
processed
and
considered
by
the
council
prior
to
formal
consideration,
it
would
be
appropriate
for
council.
H
It
would
be
appropriate
for
the
mixed-use
designation,
let's
assume
for
argument's
sake
that
that
that
by
the
time
it
comes
back
to
you,
you
know,
as
for
the
general
plan,
not
the
not
the
application
but
the
general
plan.
If
it
comes
back
to
you
and
the
project
has
not
been
processed
it's
I
would.
I
think
that,
if
that,
by
that
time,
the
allocation
of
units
would
have
expired
and
then
it
would
be
appropriate
to
revert
it
back
to
industrial.
B
Okay,
I'm
just
wondering
whether
we
should
leave
it
as
it
was
originally,
which
was
industrial.
E
L
Thank
you,
I
think,
with
the
baxter
property
we've
already
put
that
in
into
motion.
I
would
I
would
keep
it
as
is.
As
the
city
attorney
pointed
out,
we
can
always
change
it
back,
should
it
all
fall
out,
but
at
this
point
I
don't
see
reason
to
go
back
over
this
ground
and
have
it
revert
to
industrial
use,
it's
already
it's
already
in
in
progress.
L
I
would
just
keep
it,
as
is
I'm
in
full
agreement
with
over
by
the
octagon
location
there
to
reduce
the
heights
there.
I
have
a
question
on
the
heights
at
the
intersection
there,
both
the
southwest
corner,
northwest
corner,
sorry
northeast
corner
and
southeast
corner.
Currently
they
are
at
commercial
town.
I
believe,
is
that
my
interpretation
of
the
color
that's
correct.
So
a
maximum
height
of
50
feet
can.
L
So
that
that's
commercial
town
to
height
to
50
feet,
I'm
curious
to
my
colleagues,
because
there
isn't
really
a
residential
portion
being
impacted
by
that
with
50
feet,
be
okay
on
those
corners
and
not
the
other
one,
the
the
I'm
sorry
the
at
the
intersection
there,
the
southwest
corner,
the
southeast
corner
and
the
northeast
corner.
F
My
question
is:
what
would
be
the
advantage
of
doing
that
in
that
location
other
than
adding
more
traffic
to
that
area?
That
already
has
heavy
traffic
at
westlake
and
thousands
boulevard.
L
The
advantage
is,
I
think,
in
giving
some
flexibility
into
the
future,
I'm
not
sure
what
we
need
in
that
area,
but
the
advantages
that
leave
some
flexibility
there.
I
100
agree
with
you
on
the
other
side,
where
there's
existing
residential,
but
on
that
on
the
north
side,
south
side
east
side
there.
L
M
B
M
F
L
F
Feet
and
mr
town,
speaking
of
which
towns
is
that
commercial
exclusively
on
the
north
east
corner
of
west
lake
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
F
I
F
Okay,
thank
you
now.
Let
me
point
out
something
now
to
my
colleague
is
that
that
already
has
a
rise
of
a
hill
that
that
current
building
is
on
and
if
you
throw
another
50
20
feet.
On
top
of
that,
it's
going
to
be
towering
over
that
entire
area,
because
the
topography
of
the
ground
that
it's
on,
I
follow
what
you're
saying
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
but
the
northeast
corner.
It's
already
up
on
a
hill
and
it's
going
to
be
up
even
higher.
L
F
L
Be
15
feet
higher,
like
I
say
to
me,
having
that
flexibility
is
important
and
I'll
be
frank
with
you
on
that
north
side,
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
it's
on
a
hill
and
the
topography
would
accentuate
anything.
So
I'm
not
I'm
just
suggesting
it
that
we
keep
the
flexibility
in
the
picture
for
future
growth
or
for
future
activity.
L
If
that's
an
issue
for
you,
you
know,
I
think,
having
something
that's
the
same
size
over.
There
is
fine,
but
I
would
like
to
make
sure
we
keep
this
flexibility
idea.
In
the
background.
G
Yes,
thank
you
on
that
area
and
could
you
put
the
map
back
up
please.
G
Yeah
on
the
area
on
the
north
side,
it's
owned
that
you've
got
commercial
town.
It
was
the
planning
commission
that
suggested
that
whether
was
it
not.
E
G
G
Okay,
as
far
as
the
baxter
property,
it
seems
to
me
that
we
are,
since
we
already
had
a
pre-screen
with
it.
I
can't
see
changing
the
designation
back
to
industrial.
It
seems
to
me
the
mixed
use
would
be
appropriate
and
the
only
other
mixed
use
is,
of
course,
the
kmart
side.
We've
already
had
a
pre-screen
on
that
as
well.
G
I
if
there
was
any
notion
to
cut
a
mixed-use
designation,
I
might
look
to
the
eastern
side
across
the
street
from
kmart,
where
you
have
the
the
chase
bank
building
that's
being
turned
into
the
ucla
health
center
and
we
have
the
southern
cal
ed
whatever
it
is,
their
big
maintenance
lot
and
I
I
don't
see
that
going
mixed
use
anytime
soon.
I
really
don't
especially
considering
ucla
is
just
establishing
themselves
there.
So
if
there
was
any
inclination
to
drop
the
mixed
use
a
little
bit
that
could
see
where
that
might
work
there.
G
B
Commercial
town-
yes-
and
I
had
suggested
last
week
to
leave
alone
that
corner
across
from
kmart
for
sure,
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
already
being
redeveloped
right.
G
B
B
No
I'm
talking
about
north
of
the
101
freeway
by
the
octagon
there.
Oh.
L
The
commercial
area
near
that
the
optical.
L
G
L
L
Yes,
oh
yeah,
of
course,
35
feet
south
of
the
octagon
in
the
trader
joe's
center
and
I
think
there's
a
ralphs
or
something
there
as
well,
but
I
would
I
would
keep
it
at
the
lower
level
there.
This
is
kind
of
nice
doing
this
horse
trading.
I
kind
of.
G
G
E
Yeah
did
I
take
it
that
you
said
that
if
we've
given
a
green
light
to
certain
properties,
especially
the
corridor
from
baxter
to
on
a
longwood
park,
road
to
along
teo
boulevard,
I'm
into
moore
park,
road,
was
the
idea
to
leave
it
in
the
designation.
It
is
right
now
and
let
the
designation
change
in
those
properties
we've
given
the
green
light
to,
if
they
in
fact
succeed
and
they
get
that
project.
E
M
L
L
I'm
personally
just
real
quick.
I
think
when
we
discussed
this
whatever
it
was
six
months
ago
or
whatever
it
was
zoned
as
a
commercial
area,
we
we
gave
tentative
permission
to
change
that
to
residential.
L
So
that's
why
I'm
that's
why
I'm
arguing
that
we've
already
done
that
we've
given
them
that
permission
right
now
to
change
it
back
to
something
else.
Now,
when
it's
still
in
progress,
I
don't
think
is
the
way
to
go.
We
can
if,
if
the
project
falls
through
and
we
want
to
regress
on
our
former
decision,
I
think
we
can
always
change
it
back,
but
right
now
it's
a
work
in
progress.
We've
already
made
the
change,
and
this
current
map
here
in
front
of
us
reflects
that
change.
E
Just
finished,
I
voted
for
some
of
them
and
I
voted
against
some
of
them.
It
would
not
be
my
intention,
since
the
majority
of
the
council
did
vote
to
go
ahead
to
give
them
the
green
light
to
pursue
the
general
plan
amendment.
I
would
not
be
opposed
to
putting
that
into
that
designation
right
now.
E
E
B
E
F
F
Does
that
make
sense?
Yeah.
B
But
there's
nothing
else
on
that,
one,
I'm
not
sure
about
it.
I
mean
hcd
says
that
they
are
the
way
they're
looking
at
this
is.
It
has
to
be
realistic
that
it
can
be
built
in
the
next
eight
years
and
they
see
that
and
ucla
is
building
and
setting
up
shop.
It's
highly
unlikely
that
it
would
revert
or
go
to
to
residential,
actually
not
revert
in
the
next
eight
years.
If
I
understand
correctly.
H
Actually,
maybe
I
can,
I
think
I
understood
what
you're
saying
councilmember
mcnamee
again,
the
81
000
capacity
exists
in
the
city.
Today,
the
the
preferred
map
is
not
is
not
suggesting
that
actually
40,
we
have
48
000,
that's
on
already
on
the
ground
already
been
built,
we've
got
a
little
over
30
000..
The
preferred
map
that's
being
considered
tonight
does
not
suggest
taking
all
of
those
31
000
units
and
reallocating
them
to
areas
of
change.
It's
only
it's
a
smaller
number,
it's
about
17
000.
H
I
think
it
is
so
at
this
point
the
the
the
edison
property
that
you're
talking
about.
If
you
remove
it,
it
isn't
that
it
has
to
be
reallocated
somewhere
else.
It's
just
not
going
to
be
taken
from
those
other
neighborhoods.
F
Well,
to
to
the
mayor's
point,
which
is
a
good
one,
is
that
even
though
right
now
ucla
is
going
in
there
right
and
we're
talking
about,
leaving
or
making
it
mixed
use?
Would
that
give
staff
flexibility
to
say
we're
meeting
our
81
000
required
quota
and
to
her
point
she's
saying:
there's
no
real,
realistic
expectation.
That's
going
to
happen,
so
it
will
not
count
towards
that.
If
I'm
not
misinterpreting
what
you
said
there.
Madam
mayor
right.
F
So
my
that
question
then,
would
be
to
mr
parker
and
our
wonderful
planning
folks
over
there
is.
Would
this
help
you
for
future
arena
cycles,
even
though
it's
not
going
to
be
maybe
counted
for
this
one,
but
for
mixed
use
somewhere
down
the
road
in
next
25
years?
If
it
ever
comes
up
again,
we
could
count
use
that
as
a
count.
If
we
make
it
a
mixed
use
there
at
the
edison
property.
That's
now
ucla
is
going
in.
That's
the
question.
J
Certainly-
and
I
mean
even
if
we
were
not
able
to
identify
in
this
housing
element
cycle
who's-
to
say
that
something
may
occur
where
circumstances
change
and
someone
wants
to
redevelopment,
and
that
would
be
an
added
benefit
that
we
would
still
get
to
count
at
the
tail
end
of
the
arena.
We
may
not
use
it
for
planning
now,
but
those
projects
that
could
occur
outside
of
our
arena
identification
process.
A
F
B
My
thoughts
are
that,
with
the
other,
with
the
kmart
project,
coming
back
before
the
council
with
420
potential
units,
that's
going
to
really
already
have
an
impact
on
traffic
and
that
intersection,
which
needs
to
be
improved
quite
a
bit,
adding
to
that
even
more
housing,
more
traffic,
I'm
not
sure
whether
that
intersection
can
take
it,
and
so
I'm
I'm
really
hesitant
to
allow
mixed
use
in
that
spot
agreed
and.
G
I
think
leaving
it
out.
Is
it
it's
a
very
minor
piece:
it's
not
going
to
affect
the
general
plan
vision,
so
to
speak,
not
that
this
is
the
end-all,
but
it
will
lower
our
unit
count
a
little
bit,
which
is
not
really
why
we're
here.
But
in
fact,
if
it
would
please
the
mayor,
I'm
I'm
prepared
to
make
a
motion
here
and
see
how
we
do.
What
do
you
think.
E
E
B
Kmart,
well,
that
is
up
for
discussion.
That's
why
we're
here
tonight.
E
Well,
I
I
would
just
like
to
say
you
know
we're
doing
this
piecemeal,
which
is
fine,
but
all
of
us
have
general
views
of
you
know.
L
E
We'd
like
to
see
the
finished
product
of
everything
we're
doing
tonight
and
a
lot
of
these
have
various
aspects.
Do
you
want
residential
okay?
But
do
you
want
mixed
use?
Well,
maybe
you
do
maybe
you
don't.
E
L
Jones,
just
a
strict
residential
would
be
a
neighborhood
medium,
which
is
up
to
50
feet,
20
to
30
dwelling
units
per
acre,
which
is
somewhat
equivalent
to
what
we
have
put
had
them
go
forward
with.
So
if
you
wanted
to
strictly
be
neighborhood
without
any
mixed
use,
I
think
that
would
be
your
designation,
something
like
that.
Neighborhood.
B
F
G
K
And
madam
mayor,
if
I
may
just
as
a
reminder
that
is
another
pre-screen,
the
kmart
I
mean
it
does
feel
like
it
was
a
long
time
ago
because
it
was
a
a
year
ago,
but
that
is
another
pre-screen,
just
like
the
baxter
property
and
the
others
that
we've
brought
forward.
That
will
progress
through
within
the
intervening
time,
just
like
just
like
the
others
before
the
final
adoption,
yeah.
B
The
next
step
for
the
kmart
imt
project
is
the
planning
commission.
Is
it
not.
B
K
G
B
My
question
is,
however,
my
question
is
we're
looking
at
these
designations
mixed
use,
low,
20
to
30
units,
an
acre
which,
in
the
old
category,
the
old,
the
current
category,
not
the
old,
but
the
current
is
considered
high
and
mixed
mixed-use
medium.
And
you
say
there
are
only
two
of
those
in
thousand
oaks
and
those
are
considered
medium
at
30
to
45
units
per
acre.
B
I
would
much
prefer
to
to
to
name
the
mixed-use
low
mix
use
high,
because
that
is
the
upper
end
of
our
of
our
current
designations
and
mixed
use
and
mixed-use
medium
at
30
to
45.
I
I
would
like
to
eliminate
that
category
altogether.
B
But
we
are
talking
about
mixed-use
low,
which
is
kmart,
and
so
that
should
really
be
mixed-use
high.
B
G
Well,
I
think
the
project
fits
the
definition
of
mixed
use
low.
Doesn't
it.
B
F
I
have
a
request:
can
we
leave?
Can
we
leave
the
labeling,
as
is
so?
It
doesn't
confuse
us
on
dialogue.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
but
it
would
really
be
beneficial.
I
think,
for
staff
and
myself
to
leave
it
the
way
the
determination
is
with
the
understanding
of
what
you're
saying.
Does
that
make
sense?
I.
L
I
agree:
council
mcnamee-
I
think
at
this
at
this
point
where
we
are
it's
confusing
enough
to
figure
out
if
the
magenta
is
the
purple
or
the.
L
A
new
layer
of
confusion
would,
I
don't
think,
would
serve
a
purpose
right
now.
Eventually,
we
might.
You
know
at
some
point
when
we
revisit
this
over
the
next
year-
change
the
terminology
for
these
things,
but
at
this
point
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
us
spend
too
much
time
on
semantics.
B
L
D
L
This
point,
whether
we
call
it
purple
green
or
high
or
low.
It's
still
30
units.
L
F
I
am
agreeing
with
councilman,
englitter
and
adam
that
to
change
it
now
would
confuse
me,
please
don't
confuse
me.
B
Then
then,
I
will
be
on
record
as
opposing
the
term
mixed-use
medium
at
45
units
an
acre.
So
I
would
not
want
to
designate
anything
that
okay,
then,
with
that
said,
let's
see,
can
we
have?
Can
we
see
the
map
again?
Please.
B
M
The
the
existing
height
limit
for
that
area
is
it's
35
feet.
It
is
eligible
for
a
height
overlay,
but
that
area
does
not
have
it
yet
it
is
allowed
in
our
zoning
code.
The
proposed
category
is
industrial
flux,
which
would
allow
buildings
up
to
75
feet
in
height,
which
matches
the
potential,
but
not
the
actual.
Today,
in
that
area,
in
other
words,
you
could
have
the
height
overlay
onto
that
area
to
gain
that
that
elevation,
but
it
does
not
have
that
that
application
right
now.
B
M
B
M
M
We
were
not
proposing
to
increase
the
height
of
the
existing
industrial
along
townsgate,
but
this
area,
because
it's
not
near
any
existing
residential
and
because
of
the
topography
of
some
topography
in
that
area,
you
have
trees
that
can
screen
buildings.
We
thought
it
was
reasonable
to
consider
this
for
for
that,
more
more
intensive
industrial
designation,
rather
than
the
alternative.
Okay.
M
Industrial
low
and,
if
I
can
may
add
to
that
this
area
also.
C
G
Their
operations,
I've
heard
biotech
mentioned
for
this
particular
area
and
the
nature
of
their
operations
requires
some
height.
M
C
G
F
E
A
E
E
Is
up
above
on
the
other
side
of
hampshire,
up
in
the
hill
yep.
L
Madam
mayor,
just
just
to
pile
on
with
this,
I
think-
and
typically
I'm
not
in
favor
of
buildings
at
75
feet
at
all,
but
the
topography
there
might
support
it
and
we,
the
feedback
we
got
from
our
citizens
so
far,
is
that
they
wanted
to
have
a
strong
employment
base
in
that
area,
and
this
would
allow
us
to
provide
that
in
an
area
where,
where,
where
it
won't
affect
people's
views
or
or
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I
would
have
to
say
if
we're
gonna
do
it
anywhere.
A
B
We're
we're
ready
to
probably
vote
on
this
westlake
and
east
end
minus
the
sce
ucla
property
and
the
mix
and
pardon
me,
oh,
I
know,
but
he
was
just
asking
where,
where
we
are-
and
so
we
are
keeping
it
at
commercial
at
commercial
neighborhood
right
there
in
in
the
area
and
let's
see
town
skate,
is
industrial
low
at
50
feet
and
currently
the
height
there
is
no
higher
than
35.
Mr
town,
that's.
M
K
Madam
mayor,
we
might,
if,
if
you'd
like,
for,
I
think,
matt
matt
ramy
could
wreak
he's
got
a
kind
of
a
brief
list
running.
He
could
run
down
what
he's
heard
so
far
and
make
sure
that
it
accomplishes
everything
that
we've
heard
to
this
point.
E
B
E
Well!
That's
in
that
basically
that
same
area,
and
that
would
be
industrial
right.
B
It
is,
is
it
industrial
now
it's
industrial
now,
with
a
height
limit
of
35.
M
It's
industrial
today,
the
height
limit
in
our
industrial
areas
is
35..
The
one
the
one
exception
to
that
is
is
believe
it
or
not.
We
actually
have
a
little
spot
of
75
foot
height
overlay
near
the
northwest
corner
of
westlake
and
hampshire,
but
generally
speaking,
it's
all
industrial
today
and
and
35
feet.
E
Yes,
but
you
know,
let
me
just
say
we're
when
we
vote
for
emotion,
we're
proving
so
many
things
in
so
many
different
aspects
of
each
thing.
I've
got
a
basic
feeling
that
we
ought
to
consider
not
going
out
25
years,
because
I,
as
I
said
before
I
I
don't
want
to
in
case
the
legislature
that
has
term
limits
changes
its
mind.
E
Maybe
I'm
wishing
for
something
that
will
never
come
true,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
we're
kind
of
you
know
nailed
in
or
whatever
the
word
is,
were,
were
put
in
a
category
that
to
go
out
25
years,
where
the
we
might
get
a
better
directive,
if
that's
the
word
or
order
or
whatever
it
is
from
sacramento
eight
years
from
now.
E
So
I
don't
see
what
would
be.
Maybe
this
debate
isn't
appropriate
at
this
moment,
but
I'd
I'd
rather
we've
already.
You
know
I
got
a
list
here
from
kelvin
of
what
we've
already
done.
If,
if
everything
follows
through
that,
we've
already,
given
the
green
light
to
we're
looking
at
1000
potential
dwelling
units,
you
know
within
the
next
eight
years,
which
is
bringing
us
within
a
few
hundred
of
what
the
next
year
eight
years
would
be.
E
I'm
just
putting
that
into
the
discussion
right
now
to
temper
what
we're
going
to
do
when
we
get
down
the
street
to
the
next
two
or
three
locations
to
say
that
we
really,
if
we
just
go
out
at
years,
we
don't
need
a
lot
more
housing
right
now
and
maybe
sacramento
might
be
more
conducive
to
rational
thinking.
Well,.
B
G
I
would
agree
with
mr
mcnamee:
I
want
to
do
it
area
by
area.
We
have
to
bite
off
little
pieces
here
and
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
do
it
and
as
far
as
his
business
with
sacramento
yeah,
I
guess
they
play
a
part
in
all
this.
But
frankly,
I'm
not
factoring
sacramento
and
that's
not
what's
in
my
mind
right
now,
I'm
not
running
scared
from
sacramento,
I'm
just
trying
to
come
up
with
a
vision
or
a
plan
as
an
opportunity
for
my
city
for
the
next
25
years.
L
And
I
I
would
agree
also
with
councilman
mcnamee
on
that
as
well
councilman
jones,
I
the
I
know.
I
know
that
the
state
is
always
in
the
background,
but
I
I
actually
very-
I
think
you
did
you
and
your
colleagues
at
an
admiral
job
50
years
ago,
and
what
you
did
you
approached
it
as
a
vision
for
the
area.
L
That's
the
way.
I
look
at
this.
What
is
my
vision
for
the
area
25
years
from
now
and
the
state
may
come
and
this
state
may
go
and
the
state
may
say
something
or
whatever
we'll
adjust
to
that
in
the
future,
but
right
now
I
think
what
what's
the
vision?
What
what?
What
things
do?
We
need
to
be
putting
into
place
to
meet
the
anticipated
issues
that
we're
gonna
be
facing
the
housing
having
enough
commercials
and
adjust
to
the
the
brick
and
mortar
issues
that
are
going
on
with
commercial?
L
E
L
As
I
approached
this,
and
I
mentioned
to
councilman
mcnamee
earlier-
to
try
to
build
in
flexibility
into
the
future,
my
crystal
ball
is
pretty
pretty
cloudy.
I
I
can't
see
down
the
street,
but
I
think
if
we,
if
we
try
to
have
a
vision
that
includes
flexibility
embedded
within
it
and
we
have
a
strong
general
plan
that
we
can
defend
against
the
state
or
any
incursions
that
they
might
dream
about.
I
think
that's
my
vision
going
into
the
future.
E
E
E
L
G
G
L
G
H
Actually,
that's
actually,
council
councilmember
adam
answered
the
question.
Most
cities
adopt
a
comprehensive
general
plan
updates
every
10
to
15
years.
In
fact,
the
state
requests
that
cities
do
that.
That's
because
cities
aren't
static,
they
change
on
a
regular
basis
and,
although
you
each
plan
will
project
into
at
least
you
know,
25
years
there's
most
cities
do
actually
update
their
general
plans
within
10
to
15
years.
F
H
M
Just
as
a
quick,
quick
response,
what
we've
seen
with
with
the
biotech
firms
out
in
rancho
conejo
is
that
they
are
looking
for
a
building
form,
that's
slightly
taller
than
than
35
feet.
That's
part
of
the
rationale
for
the
50
foot
height.
In
fact,
some
of
the
buildings
along
canada
spectrum
are
actually
about
36.
I
believe
38
is
the
highest
and
that's
allowed
for
in
the
code
with
planning
commission
approval.
M
B
So
how
likely
is
it
for
the
industry
to
actually
take
up
the
area
along
townsgate,
which
right
now
is
really
small
offices,
small
businesses
and
so
forth?.
K
Mark,
if
I
might
jump
in
on
that
because
madam
mayor
is
having
had
a
lot
of
discussions
with
a
lot
of
companies,
you
know
even
up
until
this
week,
the
from
an
industry
perspective.
K
We
are
seeing
that
need
for
hype,
flexibility,
and
that
doesn't
mean
you
know
these
are
height
limits,
and
so
the
the
challenge
is,
if
they
have
a
certain
piece
of
equipment
or
a
certain
structure
type
that
needs
flexibility,
then
that
if
that
height
limit
is
not
allowed,
then
it
creates
an
additional
complexity
that
can
create
a
barrier
to
them,
choosing
to
move
into
a
certain
property
or
not-
and
you
know,
tara
is
a
perfect
example.
So
atar
I
did
a
mezzanine
office
above
and
below
they
did
in
their
primary
building.
G
Oh
thank
you,
mayor,
well
I'll
I'll,
try
to
make
a
motion
here
with
the
consensus
that
I've
heard
and,
of
course,
everybody's
free
to
amend
it.
If
I
miss
something,
but
if
could
you
put
the
map
back
up
on
the
screen,
please
all
right!
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
this?
We
leave
everything
basically
intact,
as
it's
recommended.
With
these
exceptions,
the
area
south
of
the
so-called
hexagon.
G
We
would
drop
that
to
commercial
neighborhood
35
feet
all
right
and
the
area
across
the
street
from
kmart,
which
is
the
will
be
the
ucla
center.
Thank
you
for
the
pointer
there
and
the
southern
cal
ed
maintenance.
Lot.
We
let
that
re,
take
it
out
of
mixed
use
and
let
it
revert
back
to
whatever
it's
zoned.
Now.
What
is
a
zone
now
by
the
way.
B
B
L
I
think
we
had
a
at
the
at
the
intersection
there
across
the
street.
On
the
north
side,
we
were
going
to
reduce
the
height
of
those
buildings
from
I
think
it's
commercial.
Let
me
see
commercial
town
to
commercial
neighborhood,
yeah.
F
B
G
B
G
The
promenade
is
suggested
to
be
commercial
town.
Is
it
not.
F
M
That
is,
I
believe,
between
25
and
35
feet.
Part
of
it,
I
believe,
is
commercial
office,
which
is
25
feet,
but
there
are
also
sections
that
are
35.
B
Is
right,
north
from
the
promenade
right
there,
where
the
pointer
is
those
two
fields
right
there.
F
B
So
those
two
parcels
right
there
would
be
going
to
commercial
neighborhood,
yeah.
L
G
Okay,
so
so
that's
what
we
got.
The
recommendations
stay
intact,
with
the
exception
of
the
area
across
from
kmart
the
southern
caled
business
and
this
whole
commercial
town,
which
is
all
going
to
go
down
to
commercial
neighborhood,
where
the
scanner
is
where
you're
pointing
right
all
right.
I
see
a
lot
of
nodding.
So
that's
my
motion.
C
B
A
D
A
A
A
C
E
E
B
Mr
town,
who
will
pull
up
that
slide
of
the
there
we
go?
Thank
you.
I
I
can
go
ahead
and
just
present
just
very
quickly,
you
know,
as
you
know,
we
had
a
process
where
we
asked
about
whether
the
village
center
should
stay
as
commercial
or
whether
they
should
go
to
be
allowed
to
be
mixed
use
low
at
the
30
up
to
20
to
30
dwelling
units
per
acre,
where
the
preferred
alternative
landed
is
to
have
two
of
the
larger
centers,
the
the
jansen
moore
park,
which
is
number
four
on
the
map
and
then
the
arboles
and
herbs
which
is
number
six
on
the
map
to
have
those
be
mixed,
use,
low
and
the
rest
of
them
remain
as
commercial.
I
B
M
Num
they
are
both
about
35
acres.
Number,
six
is,
is
the
oakbrook
plaza,
that's
35
acres
in
and
of
itself,
and
number
four
is
actually
composed
of
two
centers.
The
canada
valley
plaza
where
the
the
ralph's
is
at
the
southeast
corner
of
moore
park
and
jans,
and
then
the
park
oaks
center
across
the
street
to
the
north,
which
is
where
the
vons
is
located.
The
sum
of
those
two
areas
is
also
about
35
acres.
M
Raino
and
kimber
is
small,
that's
that's
the
one
opposite.
The
portrait
park
opposite
the
skate
park
right.
B
Okay,
so,
as
you
said,
the
largest
are
number
four
and
number
six
and
then
number
five
would
come
in
third
at
15
acres.
M
D
M
M
You
can
you
can
choose
more
than
the
two
sites
tonight,
of
course,
and
we
would
work
out
the
the
details
in
terms
of
land
use
policies
and
zoning
down
the
road.
You
know
following
your
direction.
H
H
Given
the
fact
of
the
size
of
the
of
the
parcels
and
and
existing
legislation
and
pending
legislation,
there
is
a
large
likelihood
that
these
centers,
the
smaller
ones,
could
be
converted
into
a
100
residential,
which
would
obviously
defeat
the
whole
purpose
of
a
village
center.
So
we
could
certainly
look
into
it
whether
we
could,
but
I'm
right
at
this
stand
right.
Where
I
sit,
I'm
not
confident
we
could
get
there.
H
So
one
of
the
things
that
that
hcd
requires
is
that
if
you
identify
parcels
where
50
or
more
of
the
parcels
identified
in
your
housing
element
or
mixed
use,
you
have
to
allow
for
100
housing,
and
I'm
also
you
know,
thinking
back
to
what
happened
in
simi.
You
know
the
the
shopping
center
on
the
corner
of
teppo
and
alamo.
That
was
one
where
it
was
supposed
to
be
mixed
use.
The
developer
proposed,
affordable
housing
and
one
of
the
incentives
that
he
asked
for
that
he
was
legally
entitled
to
under
density.
G
You
know,
I
think
staff's
logic
is
sound
here
for
the
smaller
ones.
The
the
fear
is
that
the
residential
would
overwhelm
the
commercial
and
the
people
in
the
neighborhood
wouldn't
have
any
commercial.
Any
little
stores.
G
No
doubt
I
know,
and
if
I
recall
in
the
in
the
polling
we
did,
the
village
center
idea
was
met
with
mixed
emotions
from
the
residents.
G
However,
it
and
you
and
you've
just
discussed
this
in
the
meeting
last
time,
it's
kind
of
an
appealing
idea
in
the
sense
that
this
is
a
big
city,
it's
56
square
miles
and
I
feel
like
we
need
more
than
one
downtown
and
the
the
two
that
they've
identified
are
big
enough,
where
you
could
have
a
combination
of
residential
and
commercial
and
create
a
little
mini
downtown.
For
that
area.
G
I
mean
pragmatically
speaking
whether
that's
ever
going
to
happen
remains
to
be
seen,
because
these
centers
are
all
leased
out
to
big
supermarkets
with
long-term
leases,
and
you
know,
is
there
ever
going
to
be
a
point
where
the
owner
can
come
in
and
start
knocking
down
stores
and
putting
up
residential?
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
the
concept
is
appealing
to
kind
of
create
a
mini,
downtown
and
keep
people.
B
They
do
make
sense,
although
I
I
admit
I
like
the
idea
of
village
centers,
because
they're
also
closer
to
the
schools
yeah,
and
that
is
absolutely
super
important,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
whether
we
could
identify
maybe
also
number
five,
because
it
is
a
15
acres.
The
others
are
likely
too
small,
but
perhaps
we
could
add
number
five
to
it.
Mr
mcnamee.
A
L
That
yeah,
I
I
mean
I
lived
up
by
the
we
call
it
the
trader
joe's
center
it.
It
would
be,
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
you
would
put
enough
housing
to
really
make
a
difference
there
unless
they
tear
down
some
of
the
commercial.
That's
already
there.
It's
actually
a
fairly
small
center
compared
to
the
you
know,
the
ones
at
jans
and
and
moore
park
and
the
one
out
herbs
and
and
arbol
is
comparatively
quite
a
bit
smaller.
L
L
A
L
Somewhat
torn
on
it
that
there's
some
places
that
that
probably
would
work
the
two
that
we've
noticed
and
two
that
were
recommended,
the
other
ones.
It's
it's
really,
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
torn
on
it
because
I,
like
the
idea,
but
I
understand
the
size,
would
be
a
limiting
factor
on
those
you
know
in
those
places.
E
E
B
E
B
I
E
B
Is
little
commercial
activity,
as
you
may
recall,
when
we
did
the
western
plateau
deal
back
in
the
early
2000s,
an
albertson's?
Well,
not
albertson's,
but
some
sort
of
grocery
store
was
supposed
to
be
the
anchor
for
that
particular
shopping
center
and
that
unfortunately
didn't
happen
and
the
y
moved
in
and
so
the
shopping
center
lost
a
crucial
anchor
and
ever
since
then
was
really
not
able
to
to
thrive
yeah,
and
so
now
we
have
a
church
there
and
I'm
not
sure
how
the
parishioners,
whether
they're
frequenting
any
of
these
businesses.
E
B
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
just
for
the
record,
and
also
because
it
is
part
of
this
discussion.
I
wanted
to
clarify
a
couple
of
the
the
acreages
that
that
I
just
mentioned.
The
university
shopping
center
at
moore
park
and
arbolas
is
9.8
acres,
so
it's
almost
10
acres,
the
north
ranch
pavilions.
What
what
location
was
that.
E
M
The
university
shopping
center
and
where
is
it
and
that's
at
the
northwest
corner
of
moore
park
and
arbolas?
Oh
okay,
that's
that's
about
10
acres.
The
north
ranch
pavilions
is
about
13.5
acres.
It's
actually
a
little
bit
more,
which
one
is
that
north
ranch
pavilions.
I'm
sorry!
It's
number
seven!
Thank
you
that
we
need
to
work
off.
M
So
if
I
could
just
go
through
these
very
quickly
number
seven,
it's
about
13
acres,
we've
been
talking
about
four
and
six
number.
Five
is
about
10
acres
and
if
we
quickly
go
down
to
newbury
park,
the
newbury
park
place,
as
I
said
before-
that's
that's
10
acres
that
should
cross
the
street.
Oh.
M
Six
acres:
what
number
number
two
number
two
is:
six
acres.
Okay
number
three
is
ten,
eight
ten
point,
four
acres
and
then
el
par
iso
number
one
is
six.
B
G
G
You're
going
to
crowd
out
the
commercial
to
the
chagrin
of
the
neighbors
unless.
G
B
G
B
G
F
Motion,
sorry,
sorry,
actually,
I've
got
an
observation
here:
okay,
mr
town,
on
the
one
for
number,
six
herbalists
and
herbs.
What
is
the
traffic
like?
What's
the
parking
like,
because
these
other
ones
that
we're
talking
about
number
four,
for
example,
has
really
ample
parking
and
and
space
in
the
back
and
so
forth
to
make
it
a
village
center
number,
six
herbs
and
arbolous?
F
What's
the
egress
like?
What's
the
ingress
like?
What
are
we
looking
at
here
and
the
capacity
of
the
parking
that
is
it
full?
Is
it
partially
full
does
have
space
to
put
in
a
village
center.
M
I
would
say
that
there's
space
to
put
in
the
village
center
we've
had
turnover
over
the
years
and
when
I
I
live
in
that
general
area
and
and
I
go
there
on
a
regular
basis
and
never
have
a
problem,
finding
parking
there
is
is
access
from
herbs,
road,
one
driveway
and
I
believe,
there's
there's
at
least
two,
maybe
there's
a
third
driveway
on
our
blaze
from
the
from
the
north
side.
M
Jans
and
moorpark
there
at
the
southeast
corner,
there
is
one
driveway
on
moore
park
there,
two
driveways
on
jans
and
on
the
north
side,
it's
one
driveway
on
jans
and
two
on
moorpark.
What.
F
F
L
Me
yeah,
madam
mayor,
just
just
as
a
you
know.
The
50
000
foot
view
the
vision
view
as
that
we've
mentioned
before.
L
As
we
look
at
the
smaller
ones,
I
say
organically
or
organically-
it
may
happen
anyway,
but
I
would
I
would
kind
of
move
that
would
just
stay
with
what
we
have
right
now,
I'm
not
opposed
adding
number
five.
If
that
is
amenable
to
everybody,
but.
L
And
I
I
I
can
even
add
number
five.
If
that
is,
is
to
the
to
the
I.
E
Jones
did
we
look
at
at
plantus
and
arvelis,
or
is
that
too
small.
E
Plantus
and
arbulous:
it's
where
the
chevron
station
is
on
arvelous.
I.
E
E
L
No,
I
I'm
just
throwing
it
out
there
if
anybody
was
interested
in
that,
but
it
is
a
smaller
center.
I
I
do
live
near
there,
so
I
know
it's
pretty.
It's
a
busy
center
already.
L
But
I
I
I
would
just
move
staff
recommendation.
B
Okay,
mr
jones,
I'm
gonna
ask
for
a
roll
call
vote.
B
Can
we
throw
in
five
just
for
evaluation
purposes?
Since
can
we
do
that.
H
L
Didn't
entertain
that
amendment
to
you
know,
because
I
think
four
and
six,
I
think
we
all
are
in
agreement
that
they
would
be
on
our
list.
If
there's
others,
though
that
would
work
out.
I
think
we
all
agree
that
this
is
not
a
bad
concept
going
into
the
future.
L
G
G
L
B
Thank
you
very
much.
No
we're
not
taking
a
break
right
now.
We're
moving
right
on
to
east
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
downtown.
B
We'll
take
a
break
after
that,
may
we
may
need
one
okay,
who
will
be
that?
Who
will
was
it
mr
town
or
mr
raymie
or.
I
Can
go
ahead
and
just
introduce
the
voice
from
from
afar,
introduce
this
area
throughout
the
entire
general
plan
update
process
when
conversations
occurred
with
the
community
about
the
places
where
they
thought
there
could
be
more
vibrancy
and
where
there
could
be
more
multi-family
housing,
workforce
housing.
This
was
the
area.
This
general
area
was
the
area
that
that
came
up,
perhaps
more
than
any
other
one,
and
it
certainly
builds
off
of
the
the
downtown
master
plan
which
occurred
several
years
ago
for
the
area
between
herbs
and
the
school
road.
I
The
area
here,
the
the
real
core
of
what
what
we
looked
at,
was
the
parcels
immediately
adjacent
to
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
The
current
specific
plan
has
all
of
those
parcels
that
what
they
called
commercial
residential
at
up
to
30
units
per
acre,
essentially,
it's
mixed
use.
Throughout
our
process.
I
We
did
a
slightly
closer
evaluation
of
each
of
the
parcels
and
identified
the
area
in
the
in
the
downtown
core
between
herbs
and
kanejo
school
road
as
what
we
call
mixed-use
medium,
which
is
up
to
45
units
an
acre,
but
we
also
identified
some
areas
that
we
thought
that
mixed
use
in
the
long
term
may
not
be
appropriate
and
that's
the
near
the
intersection
of
rancho
road,
which
is
a
freeway
interchange
and
then
along
thousand
oaks
boulevard
with
the
toyota
dealership
and
the
smaller
parcels.
I
So
those
areas
are
commercial
neighborhood,
which
is
the
the
lowest
intensity
of
all
of
the
commercial
uses.
You'll
also
notice
that
there's
a
lot
of
residential
areas
adjacent
to
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
I
Our
objective
there
was
to
essentially
either
match
what
the
current
general
plan
had
for
those
parcels
or
what
was
currently
constructed
and
built
built
now
to
try
and
essentially
right
size,
the
general
plan
designation
to
match
what
is
on
the
ground
and
that's
why
you
see
somewhat
of
that
patchwork
pattern
with
the
colors
adjacent
and
in
the
parcels
on
either
side
of
the
thousand
of
this
boulevard.
I
That
is
a
quick
summary
for
you.
All.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
we
do
have
the
mixed
use
medium
in
this
particular
area.
30
40
up
to
45
units
per
acre
at
58
feet,
that's
the
one
that
gives
me
heartburn
and
I'd
like
to
reduce
that
to
mixed
use,
low
yeah.
F
Is
that
not
where
the
lakes
is
going
in?
It's.
G
Where
the
711
is
it's,
where
the
it's
the
pep
boys,
the
gardens
of
the
world's
a
little
white
spot
in
the
middle,
it's
the
principy
property
on
the
other
side,
and
it
would
be
the
lakes.
Although
the
lakes
has
a
75
foot
height.
B
B
G
So
but
I
I
tend
to
agree,
I
think
we
should
roll
that
down
to
mix
use
low.
I
think
the
50
feet
is
plenty.
F
M
The
right
so
the
the
lakes
here,
which
is
this
this
this
magenta
area,
that's
part
of
the
civic
arts,
plaza
specific
plan
and
that
specific
plan
allows
for
buildings
up
to
75
feet
today,
actually
beyond
that
for
the
fly
tower
for
our
main
theater,
which
goes
up
to
100
feet.
So
so.
The
reason
here
was
that
the
75
foot
would
be
retained.
M
K
And
that's
if
I
might
jump
in
here,
madam
mayor,
that
is
a
example
of
a
land
use.
Designation.
You'll,
see
these
when
we
get
to
the
discussion
around
the
malls
as
well,
that
we
have
the
ability
to
put
land
use
policies
in
place
to
to
add
that
that
element
where
existing
height
is
there
today
to
maintain
that
this
is
another
pre-screen.
So
this
will
be
council's
pleasure
as
the
project
comes
forward.
L
G
G
L
The
me
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
yeah,
I
I
kind
of
like
the
idea,
and
then
this
is
kind
of
a
throwback
to
the
the
old
barbell
theory
of
the
boulevard.
L
But
if
we
have
pods
of
development,
where
we
could
have
that
more
of
a
downtown
feel
that
we're
trying
to
create
again
here's
the
vision
thing
it
would
be
a
it
would
be
a
type
of
residential
that
we
currently
don't
have
in
town
that
is
attractive
to
certain
people.
You
know
I,
like
my
house
in
the
suburbs,
but
other
people
want
that
downtown
feel.
L
I
think
we
keep
it
at
at
medium.
We
can
achieve
that
there
and
it's
right
by
the
civic
arts
plaza.
That's
all
the
things
we
have
in
this
area,
so
I
would
be
inclined
to
keep
it
simply
for
that
reason
that.
G
L
Also,
to
have
that
pod
of
more
intensive
development
would
contrast
it
from
the
rest
of
the
boulevard.
E
L
E
E
G
F
E
F
F
Here
that
any
clarification
on
to
your
point,
if
we
designate
mr
town,
mr
parker,
if
we
designate
mixed
use,
does
it
have
to
be
partial
commercial,
partial
drawing
units,
or
could
it
all
be
dwelling
units,
as
is
being
proposed
here.
F
If
we
give
them
mixed
use,
we've
got
mr
jones,
the
flexibility
of
designating
all
apartments
there.
If
the
developer
down
the
road
wants
to
put
in
all
apartment
units
right,
all
you're
doing
is
giving
flexibility
to
that
option,
and
I'm
I'm
in
line
with
what
mr
adam
and
engler
said
about
reducing
it
for
where
it
is
right
now
down
to
a
lower
height.
I.
M
E
F
G
Forget
there's
two
kinds
of
pictures
vertical
and
horizontal
and
horizontal
puts
the
retail
in
the
front
and
and
and
the
residential
in
the
back
vertical
puts
the
retail
on
the
first
story
and
build
the
residential
up.
So
it
didn't
it.
I
could
easily
see
where
horizontal
mixed
use
would
would
come
into
play
versus
the
vertical.
We.
F
B
B
So
the
the
concern
that
I
have
is
that
there
is
not
enough
setback
on
teo
boulevard
for
buildings
that
are
50
feet
tall
right.
They
need
to
be
put
back
much
much
farther
and
not
in
the
front.
So
I
I
really
don't
support
50
feet
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
unless
it
is
hidden
in
the
back,
because
it
is
just
not
and.
L
G
Don't
forget
folks
we're
not
talking
about
three.
I'm
three
mile
stretch
of
nothing
but
mixed
use,
we're
talking
about
a
couple
of
nodes
that
our
downtown
node,
which
we
all
agree.
We
we
we
want
to
build
a
downtown.
We've
got
a
campus
master
plan
working
there.
We
have
businesses,
amgen
and
the
like
asking
us.
Please
create
some
sort
of
a
downtown
and
then
the
other
node
as
we
get
further
down
we'll
get
to.
B
We
know
that
seal
boulevard
is
already
super
congested
and
by
putting
up
even
taller
buildings
with
higher
density
is,
is
going
to
be
problematic.
I
I
believe.
Well,
I.
G
B
But
then
we
also
have
this
unlimited
floating
sort
of
what
is
it
called,
mr
parker,
the
the
floating
unlimited
floating
yeah,
unlimited.
B
I
would
I
would
be
well,
first
of
all,
mixed
use
low
would
be.
B
M
L
And
neither
do
you
to
accomplish
to
accomplish
that
variety
of
housing,
though
I
think
you
do
need
to
have
some
some
massing
of
of
buildings
there.
I
I'm
I'm
fine
with
not
having
the
mixed-use
medium
all
in
different
areas,
but
to
me
the
loopy's
building,
if
it
was
away
from
the
street
a
little
bit
more,
I
don't
think
we'd
be
having
this
conversation.
L
H
L
We'd
have
that
those
nodes
by
no
means
would
it
be
all
up
and
down
to
boulevard.
G
G
It's
very
fancy
the
shepburger
ariel.
G
You
got
to
laugh
sometimes
and
then
on
the
opposite
side,
we're
looking
at
basically
pep
boys.
So
we're
not
talking
about
a
a
lot
and
that's.
E
G
G
What's
to
the
east
of
gardens
of
the
world,
the
masters
area.
M
E
E
E
F
M
J
If
I
may
answer
that
you
know
currently,
the
specific
plan
allows
50
feet
and
30
do
used
to
the
acre.
That
is
currently
what
we
have
on
the
books
today.
That's.
J
F
B
Well,
then,
you
would
have
two
50-foot
buildings.
You
have
the
lupus
that
1710,
which
is
already
very
tall
and
then
right
across
from
it
and
building
that
may
just
be
the
same
height
identical
and
would
we
have
would
you
be
able
to
set
that
one
back
further?
Well.
J
I
mean
yeah
we're
getting
into
the
realm
of
zoning
and
yeah
I
mean
the
downtown
specific
plan
is
gonna
or
the
gob
specific
plan
is
gonna
need
to
be
amended
regardless
because
of
the
changes
that
we've
made,
because
that
you
know
allows
mixed
use
throughout
and
we're
not
doing.
That's
not
what's
being
presented
to
you
here
tonight.
So
inevitably,
the
specific
plan
will
be
amended.
J
L
I
think
I
think,
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
just
the
overall
vision
that
we're
trying
to
do-
and
I
you
know
we're-
we
are
starting
to
get
into
zoning
individual
parcels
here,
but
in
just
a
vision.
I
I
still
think
looking
down
the
line.
25
years,
do
we
want
to
create
a
downtown
and
how
do
we
create
that
downtown?
L
We
do
with
a
little
bit
more
density,
and
I
think
I
I'll
go
way
out
on
the
limb.
I
I
don't
want
to
see
it
become
a
super
dense,
downtown,
l.a,
sort
of.
M
L
But
to
add
a
little
bit
of
density
at
certain
nodes
along
the
boulevard,
I
think
provides
that
variety
of
housing
and
variety
of
experience
that
currently
we
don't
have
in
thousand
oaks,
and
so
that
you
know
whether
it's
mixed
use,
media
mixed
use,
low.
I'm
looking
to
create
that
vision,
rather
than
really
get
into
the
weeds
of
how
far
the
step
back
should
be.
On
the
third
floor
and.
E
J
It
goes
back
to
what
I'm
saying
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
restrict
it
for
commercial
development.
Maybe
that's
one
thing,
but
for
the
residential
purposes
and
if
we
are
going
to
use
any
portion
of
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
that
is
designated
mixed
use,
that
could
be
viewed
as
a
hindrance,
because
when
you
start
I
mean
you,
don't
see
too
many
two-story
mixed-use
developments,
I
mean
you.
J
E
E
Well,
how
high
do
you
know
the
height
of
the
building
at
boardwalk
and
teal
boulevard
that
we
used
to
call
the
bank
of
america
building
it's
next
to
that
development?
That's
big
big
development!
That's
going
on
it's
right
on
the
corner!
Anyway!
That's
four
stories.
Do
we
know
what
the
height
of
that
is
mark.
E
C
F
G
F
He's
trying
to
create
downtown
los
angeles,
mr
mr
jones,
you
you'd
like
to
keep
the
height
down
as
well
as
claudia.
My
thought
is:
let's
do
downtown
or
mixed
use
low,
so
we
have
potential
of
three
stories,
but
we
come
back
and
we
set
it
back
as
part
of
our
criteria
when
it
does
come
before.
Council
like
we
did
299
to
give
us
that
not
a
canyon
feel
but
a
spread
out
field.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
B
The
the
thing
is,
we
have
you
know:
other
councils
have
the
option
to
amend
the
general
plan.
We,
the
general
plan,
can
be
amended
every
year.
What
is
it
three
times
a
year
four
times
a
year?
Now?
Okay,
so
we
we
can
actually
amend
the
general
plan
every
year
four
times
a
year.
So
we
have
these
options.
B
G
B
It
is
theoretical
and
we
don't
need
to
lock
ourselves
in
right
at
this
moment,
necessarily
I
mean
we
can,
but
again
I
know
that
the
average
height
for
the
thousands
boulevard
specific
plan
is
50
feet.
It's
not
maximum
height,
it's
average
height.
One
of
the
reasons
I
voted
against
the
specific
plan,
but
I
it's
it's.
I
think,
as
we
are
seeing
more
projects
being
built
299
as
well,
we
get
a
feel
for
what
mixed
use
looks
like
and-
and
I
think
once
299
is
completely
done.
B
F
F
G
G
And
he
said
to
me
how
people
want
to
live
downtown,
they
want
to
live
downtown.
If
you
call
our
downtown
or
downtown,
I
always
think
of
it
downtown
as
some
huge
megapolis
our
downtown
barely
qualifies
as
a
downtown,
but
regardless
I
I
just
think
I
don't
know
where
else
we
could
go.
If
we
didn't
do
mixed
use
low
in
these
in
these
little
tiny
designated
areas,
I
think
staff's
got
it
right,
because
in
the
beginning,
as
I
mentioned,
toba
wanted
to
do
the
entire
boulevard.
All
mixed
you
slow
is.
G
G
E
One
question
before
we
vote:
is
there
such
a
thing
as
conditional
general
plan
designations?
In
other
words,
could
we
condition
that
that.
B
No,
we
can't
do
that,
but
motions.
J
Certainly-
and
I
believe
I
don't
think
he's
in
the
audience-
but
there
was
a
public
speaker
bill
oakes,
I
believe
his
name
was
who
brought
that
up
about
20.
It's
the
property
address,
it's
a
vacant,
property,
2080,
hillcrest
drive
and
yeah.
I
was
one
of
the
staff
that
talked
to
him
and
that
I
think,
because
it
was
a
vacant
site,
was
a
little
bit
of
a
oversight.
So
that
is
something
that
actually
would
be
a
cleanup
item
adjacent
to
the
vacant
site.
J
There
is
also
about,
I
think,
five
or
so
single-family
homes
that
were
designated
medium-high
and
that
would
revert
back
to
a
land-use
designation
consistent
with
what
it
is
today
in
terms
of
density,
which
is.
B
Neighborhood
low
4.5,
okay,
I'm
not
I
wasn't
speaking
yes,
mr
oaks
did
bring
it
up.
However,
there
were
two
other
property
owners
that
also
had
written,
and
I've
forwarded
the
emails
to
you
that.
A
B
B
So
the
chiquita
lane
was
low,
neighborhood
low
and
then
right
across
where
the
toyota
dealership
is
or
near
there.
It
was
all
high
higher
density.
H
I
think
the
intent
of
this
area
was
to
depict
precisely
what
is
actually
on
the
ground.
So
if,
as
staff
goes
through
the
process
of
evaluating
the
map
under
sequin
everything,
then
there
that's
probably
areas
that
they
would
have
to
tweak
if
it
turns
out
that
it's
not
accurate.
H
The
intent
over
in
this
area
was
to
accurately
depict
what's
actually
been
constructed.
Yeah.
B
L
All
right
and
then
one
quick
question:
councilman
adams,
you
mentioned
turning
everything
to
mixed
use:
low
yeah.
C
B
The
sound
wall-
and
that
would
be
that's.
G
E
I'm
going
to
vote
no
because
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
having
a
50-foot
structure
right
on
the
you
know,
with
very
little
setback,
so
I
know
that
we
could
try
to
get
a
setback,
but
if
there's
no
way
we
can,
you
know
jessie
did
it.
I
I
just
can't
wouldn't
like
to
see
a
50-foot
building
right
near
the
sidewalk,
so
I'm
going
to
vote
no.
D
B
Can
we
move
on
since
it's
already
10
35
and
I'd
like
a
motion
from
one
of
my
colleagues
to
move
past
11
o'clock?
Thank
you.
We
don't
need
a
roll
call
for
that
right.
Okay,
all
right!
We
will
continue
past
midnight
where.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
If
we
could
bring
up
the
the
map
again,
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
think
about
the
conversation
that
we're
going
to
have
in
in
two
different
parts.
Maybe
we
can
continue
with
the
conversation
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
all
the
way
to
moore
park,
road
first
and
then
tackle
the
rest
of
the
area
just
because
we've
we've
been
going
on
that
conversation
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
right
now.
I
You
know,
as
mr
angler
said,
that
one
of
the
the
ideas
behind
the
general
plan,
as
it's
presented
and
as
was
developed
through
the
community
engagement
process,
was
to
identify
a
couple
of
nodes
where
there
could
be
slightly
higher
densities.
I
Also
as
you'll
see
here,
the
oaks
mall
and
jan's
marketplace
are
identified
as
mixed-use
low.
We
understand
that
both
of
those
areas
are
are
quite
large
in
acres,
but
we
wouldn't
expect
the
entire
area
to
develop
at
up
to
30
units
an
acre
across
the
entire
site.
I'll
also
remind
you
all
that
the
planning
commission
recommended
adding
mixed
use
along
moore
park,
road
up
to
wilbur
between
hillcrest
and
wilbur,
except
for
jans.
I
I
Redeveloping
those
are
were
sites
identified
through
the
cosmos
study.
Several
years
ago
I
mean
and
the
surveys
that
we
did
in
the
conversations
again,
these
came
out.
This
entire
area
came
out
as
an
area
with
sort
of
the
greatest
potential
of
re-envisioning,
a
portion
of
the
area
and
creating
a
more
vibrant,
a
vibrant
center
for
the
city.
So
one
other
thing,
I
just
want
to
sort
of
caution
that
the
council-
I
know
there
was
a
there-
was
just
previously
a
conversation
about
lowering
the
heights.
We
need
to
be
careful
about
hamstringing.
I
The
process
that
we
have
with
with
hcd
and
also
because
that
would
be
a
barrier
to
housing.
They
would
see
that
as
a
barrier
to
housing
in
the
city,
and
then
it
also
puts
a
further
barrier
on
parcels
that
are
there
and
we
may
see
no
change
at
all
and
if
that's
the
desire,
then
then
certainly
lowering
the
height
can
achieve
that.
I
B
B
B
G
Well,
I
think,
to
be:
what's
the
right
word
contiguous
or
consistent
consistent.
Thank
you.
It's
very
good.
G
G
However,
I
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know,
like
ed
said
we
got
to
be
consistent.
I
don't
think
we
can
single
out
one
piece
and
change
it
and
it's
just
going
to
be
consistent
down
the
line.
So
I
would.
I
would
support
that
mixed
use
low
in
that
node.
That's
the
other
node
we
were
talking
about.
That's
the
node.
B
And
then
we
have
commercial
town
that
is
50
feet
right
across
from
hillcrest.
Next
to
what
is
that
moor
park,
it
we
have
at
hillcrest,
we
have
what
is
the
one
that
is
commercial
town
to
the
to
the
east,
to
the
east
east.
A
B
There
is
a
little
pink
that
that
one.
What
is
that.
E
Whereabouts
is
boardwalk
street.
B
M
B
C
M
M
Our
thought
was
that
the
commercial
going
forward
would
be
compatible
if
this
were
to
go
mixed
use
as
proposed,
and
it
would
also
sort
of
continue.
This
band
of
commercial
office
that
we
already
have
over
here
on
the
east
behind
the
exxon
building
is.
M
B
M
Well,
I
mean
interesting
thought
you
know
if
you
I
imagine,
all
of
the
council
has
been
up
into
these
buildings.
At
some
point
I
mean
these
have
panoramic
views
to
the
south
to
see
the
open
space
to
the
hills.
M
M
Residential
would
not
be
you
know
out
of
out
of
question,
although
if
we,
if
you
were
to
go
forward
with
the
mixed-use
low
here
and
here
and
and
what
planning
commission
recommended
here-
and
here
I
would,
I
would
counsel,
to
consider
retaining
this
as
commercial
town
to
to
help
to
provide
services
and
and
amenities
for
for
those
future
residents.
L
You
know
one
one
one
thing
I'd
like:
I
would
like
to
bring
up
where
we're
you
know
going
down
with
our
our
mixed
mixed-use
medium,
which
is
understandable.
L
The
the
only
thing
I
would
caution
us
part
of
what
I
see
in
the
future
is
having
housing
for,
after
all,
income
levels
as
well,
the
more
we
reduce
the
capacity
of
of
places,
the
more
we
are
going
to
reduce
the
ability
of
the
city
to
meet
that
affordable
housing
component
of
what
we
need
to
do
in
the
future.
L
So,
like
the
pod
there
at
at
broadway,
if
it's
a
mixed-use
medium,
we
can.
We
can
insist
that
we
have
more
affordable
housing
there
if
it's
mixed
use
low
or
what
are
we
calling
it
we're
going
to
limit
ourselves
in
terms
of
how
to
provide
that
low
income
component
to
our
housing
mix?
So
that's
that's!
Just
as
we
look
down
the
line,
we're
we're
saying:
well,
we
don't
want
the
height,
but
the
height
also
equals
affordable
housing
to
some
degree,
and
that's
that's
as
we
go
forward.
B
L
B
L
The
more
we
limit,
the
numbers,
the
more
even
if
we
have
an
inclusionary
housing
element,
it's
going
to
be
more
difficult
to
provide
that
part.
F
Of
the
thousands
boulevard
to
accomplish
that,
so,
if
you
don't
want
to
cherry
pick
certain
areas
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
as
was
pointed
out
by
staff,
to
see
like
your
preference,
take
one
area
to
the
other
so
for
doing
mixed
use
slow
on
one
area
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
it
should
also
be
carried
over
to
the
other.
In
my
opinion,
I
think.
L
E
L
There's
yeah:
if
someone
wants
to
put
a
a
completely
affordable
housing
building
and
they
get
a
lot
of
variance.
I
think.
L
B
And
I
think
we
can,
we
can
get
there
okay,
so
we
have.
We
have
that
all
right.
Any
further
discussion
before
entertaining
a
motion.
L
A
G
G
I
Thank
you.
We
could
have
the
map
back
up,
so
we're
going
to
rancho
conejo
north
of
101
freeway,
we'll
talk
about
south
of
101
freeway.
After
this
there
were
a
couple
of
pieces
that
just
to
mention
here.
One
is
that,
through
the
process,
there
was
really
strong
support
for
doing
everything
that
we
could
in
order
to
preserve
and
enhance
the
jobs
that
are
here
in
the
biotech
and
allow
for
expansion.
I
There
was
also
interest
in
adding
some
flexibility
to
create
more
housing
and
more
destinations
places
for
people
to
to
be
and
to
gather
near
the
rancho
canejo
area,
and
so
what
you
see
here
is
a
mix
of
the
industrial
flex,
which
is
the
higher
intensity,
job
use
and
industrial
low,
which
is
the
light
gray,
which
is
the
lower
intensity
job
use.
I
We
tried
to
concentrate
the
industrial
flex,
the
higher
in
the
area
around
amgen,
where
it
currently
currently
has
more
intensity
today,
which
is
also
near
the
freeway
and
further
away
from
the
majority
of
the
residential
neighborhoods.
I
We
maintained
a
commercial
regional
and
would
allow
for
some
expansion,
which
is
the
red
that
you
see
here
on
the
map
and
there's
existing
shopping
centers
there
today
and
then
we
know
that
that
some
of
the
the
pieces
that
have
come
up
are
the
what
we
call
the
goldfish
site.
It
looks
like
the
goldfish,
the
gray
area,
and
then
we
did
some
things
visually
helped
us
for
identifying
and
then,
of
course,
the
the
the
seventh-day
adventist
church
area,
and
so
you
know
just
south
of
there.
I
So
those
are
some
of
the
considerations
that
we
had
there's
some
cleanup.
We
need
to
do
in
terms
of
the
boundaries,
as
you
can
see
here,
but
essentially
it
was
trying
to
balance
an
expansion
of
jobs,
supporting
the
jobs
that
are
there,
allowing
for
some
mixed
use,
development
in
the
area
and
to
reiterate
the
reason
with
again
what
we
call
the
goldfish
property.
The
reason
that
we
recommended
industrial
low
over
residential
in
that
area
is
for
a
couple.
I
K
I
More
industrial
in
the
future
and
more
expansion,
but
the
other
is
that
it's
a
high
fire
hazard
severity
zone
and
we're
concerned
about
putting
residential
directly
into
a
high
fire
hazard
severity
zone.
Considering
the
history
and
the
trend
that
we
see
moving
forward
with
wildfires.
B
B
G
J
Prohibits
housing
and
high
fire
hazard
zones,
so
there
is
that
I
mean
there
will
be
also
their
considerations
but
yeah
that
could
be
viewed
as
a
potential
constraint
on
the
land
that
would
reduce
the
yield
as
far
as
what
could
be
put
there.
But
I
don't
think
right
now,
as
it
exists,
there's
an
out
right.
Prohibition
of
putting
housing
right.
J
Pending
so
it
could
be
considered,
but
again
it's
it's.
I
wouldn't
you
know,
put
all
your
chips
on
that
site.
B
Well,
I
just
had
a
follow-up
question
about.
I
know
we
are
trying
to
accommodate
biotech
in
the
eastern
portion
of
the
our
city
as
well.
How
much
room
do
we
need
for
the
biotech
industry.
K
I
can
I
can
take
that
one
mayor
but
of
opinion,
and
while
I
wish
I
had
a
had
a
crystal
ball
to
tell
you
specifically
the
the
square
footage.
I've
got
some
rough
estimates
from
the
conversations
that
I've
had,
and
this
is
based
on
the
seven
to
twelve
companies
that
we
have
joining
us
over
the
past
year
and
with
recognition
that
two
of
those
companies
at
least,
could
potentially
be
growing
out
of
their
initial
incubation
status
and
need
larger
footprints
within
the
next
year
to
18
months.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
information.
I
can
see
that
area
also
as
a
flexibility
area
that
could
provide
businesses,
restaurants,
a
stone
house
type
along
with
industrial
use.
I
mean
the
the
view
is
absolutely
breathtaking,
but
it
isn't
a
bowl.
G
B
M
Yes,
it
would
the
way
that
we
envisioned
these
two
new
industrial
categories
is
that
they
would.
They
would
allow
supportive
amenities,
restaurants,
cafes,
that
type
of
thing,
so
that
could
certainly
be
be
part
of
the
the
long-range
plan
for
the
the
goldfish.
M
K
And
mayor
battle
opinion,
if
I,
if
I
may,
to
build
on
your
point,
some
of
the
projects
that
we
are
seeing
right
now
are
on
redevelopment
sites
along
the
rancho
canejo
corridor
are
contemplating
exactly
that,
looking
to
do
not
just
the
industrial
build,
but
also
some
amenity
basis
attached
to
it,
so
food
and
beverage
and
other
components
that
they
would
be
bringing
in
under
special
use,
permit
or
other
types
of
structures
as
needed.
So
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
to
support
what
is
kind
of
an
anemic
amenity
basis
out
there.
F
Thank
you,
mr
mcnamee.
I
just
wanted
to
come
back
to
what
the
mayor
had
suggested
was
that
I
was
looking
at
residential
there
to
accommodate
not
only
what
the
current
owner
wants
highest
and
best
use,
and
perhaps
a
developer
can
come
in
with
egress
and
ingress
that
actually
makes
sense
in
the
sense
of
the
evacuation
in
a
case
of
a
fire.
F
Looking
at
industrial
right
now
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
staff,
you
said
that
the
property
could
move
from
industrial
to
a
mixed
use
or
even
residential,
assuming
all
the
fire
protection
was
there
and
and
all
the
traffic
issues
were
addressed.
That
is
a
possibility
with
an
amendment
down
the
road.
If,
if
it
makes
sense,
is
that
correct.
H
Yes,
council
can
always
process
a
general
plan
amendment
to
convert
it,
but
one
of
the
benefits
of
it,
leaving
it
and
actually
not
leaving
it
actually
be
designated
industrial.
It's
currently
designated
institutional,
but
the
one
of
the
benefits
of
designating
it
industrial
right
now
is
given
the
size.
We
could
actually
process
a
specific
plan
that
provides
more
flexibility
on
the
different
types
of
uses,
or
if
there
was
a
housing
proposal,
then
the
applicant
could
submit
an
application
to
initiate
a
general
plan
amendment
to
redesignate
it
for
housing,
goods.
F
L
L
The
it's
it's
it's
lined
up
as
an
industrial
right
now
I
I
would
like
to
see
maybe
at
least
mixed
use
or
even
residential
since
it's
it
serves
that
area.
Well,
it's
next
to
the
school
could
serve
as
instructor
housing
or
whatever
they
would
like
to
do
there,
but
I
think
those
pads
are
too
not
useful
enough
as
industrial,
and
we
can
just
scoop
up
a
little
more
residential.
There
that'll
serve
the.
C
M
If
I
may
just
comment
quickly,
these
two
areas
on
the
east
and
and
west
side
of
academy
drive
are
identified
as
restaurant
sites
in
the
in
the
current
specific
plan
for
seventh-day
adventists,
their
commercial
on
today's
general
plan,
land
use
map,
and
we
do
have
a
request
from
the
owner
to
retain
the
commercial
designation
for
these
two
sites.
L
Well,
I've
been
the
commercial
is
fine
or
or
I
would
leave
it
as
a
mixed
use
to
give
that
flexibility
going
forward.
B
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
commercial
regional
right
here
along
the
freeway
and
tele
road.
What
is
the
height
in
the
commercial
regional
there
right
now
right
by
the
freeway,
not
tell
a
road,
but
by
the
freeway
down.
B
M
Same
thing,
that
that's
that's
also
35
feet:
that's
the
home
depot
the
center
and
the
island
center
between
it,
with
with
lowe's
over
here
in
la
fitness,
on
the
west
side
of
academy,.
B
I
see
and
where
is
the
the
ross.
M
G
L
G
L
I
would
I
would
just
revert
that
back
down
to
the
industrial
that
it
was.
I.
G
As
far
as
the
whatever
you
call
the
goldfish
business
there,
actually
it
does
look
like
a
goldfish.
I
I
think
we
really
need
to
have
foresight
there,
because
I
I'm
telling
you
the
biotech
hub
is
going
to
spill
over
it's
going
to
need
more
room
right
now.
G
G
B
But
I
will
say
again
that
I
do
have
concern
about
the
commercial
regional.
If
we
can
look
at
the
map
again
place
right
there
by
the
freeway.
It
is
a
prominent
area
about.
Currently
the
height
is
70
35
feet
and
setting
it
to
75,
I
think,
is
a
bit
of
a
concern.
A
commercial
town
would
be
fine.
G
C
G
C
E
B
B
M
Sorry
quick
point
of
clarification.
I
thought
I
heard
that
there
may
be
a
desire
to
remove
the
mixed
use
medium
here.
C
G
M
B
L
F
First,
putting
in
so
much
and
biotech
jobs
in
there
again
to
reduce
the
trip
miles
going
back
and
forth.
That
may
not
be
a
bad
option
to
put
it
there
when
it
meets
the
arena.
Numbers
keeps
it
already.
1
000.
accomplishes
a
lot
of
goals
with.
I
agree
with
you
that
if
they
put
a
new
20
million
dollar
building,
they're
not
going
to
tear
it
down,
but
let's
leave
it
in
there
just
in
case.
L
F
I
I'll
jump
in
here
quickly
so
that
that's
correct.
If
there's
a
brand
new
building
on
it,
it
probably
wouldn't
count
for
the
arena.
It
has
to
be
a
parcel
that
has
some
potential
to
the
housing
to
be
built
as
housing
in
the
next
eight
years.
But
there's.
L
I
I
F
So
just
come
back
to
the
question.
Then
there
are
some
units
in
there
that
could
actually
meet
that
mixed-use
medium,
correct.
K
Yeah
and
council
member
magnus
correct
that
area
and
through
there
I
believe,
that's
where
like
side
street
cafe,
if
you
know
where
that
is
and
that
zone
in
there,
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
that
on
that
side
of
the
street.
F
G
L
G
Use
medium
58
feet.
I
see
your
point
kevin,
I
mean
why
not
I
mean
if
we
get
a
little
residential
they're,
fine
yeah,
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
mayor,
though,
to
be
consistent,
maybe
makes
you
slow
would
make
more
sense.
I'm.
F
F
E
I
think
the
more
residential
we
can
get
in
that
area,
the
better
yeah.
L
I
I
won't
argue
it
it's
it's.
It
seems
that
that
those
areas
are
are
pretty
much
locked
in
as
industrial
right
now.
B
As
well,
it's.
G
B
E
G
All
right,
so
we
go.
We
leave
the
map
intact.
With
these
exceptions,
we
roll
the
mixed
use
medium
down
to
mixed
juice
low.
Could
you
put
the
map
back
up?
Please
thank
you
and
in
the
area
where
home
depot
and
lowe's
is
we
roll,
the
commercial
town
town,
don't
know
we
roll
the
commercial
regional
down
to
commercial
town.
G
That's
at.
B
The
very
very,
very
bottom
under
hillcrest,
where
it
says
what
is
that
is
also
commercial
regional.
What
do
we
have.
G
Oh,
it
is
okay,
oh
that's
the
all
right,
that's
the
other!
Okay,
all
right!
So
there
it
is.
We
roll
down
again
just
to
reiterate
we
roll
the
mixed-use
medium
along
teller,
road
down
to
mix
you
slow
and
the
home
depot
and
lowe's
we
go
from
commercial,
regional
down
to
commercial
town.
G
I
Okay,
if
we
could
have
the
map
back
up,
this
is
the
one
that
will
have
no
controversy
at
all.
I'm
sure
there'll
be
no
discussion
at
the
end
of
the
evening.
On
this,
this
is
the
the
area
where
we're
looking
at
here
on
the
the
orchard
property
is
has
obviously
been.
I
had
a
lot
of
discussion
on
the
future
of
that.
I
Currently,
it's
a
residential
designation,
the
first
preferred
land
use
map
came
out
as
a
combination
of
residential
and
mixed
use,
and
then
it
was
a
move
to
mixed
use
low
across
the
entire
parcel
mixed
use.
Low
you
can
also
see
is
at
the
intersection
north
of
the
freeway
and
then
on
the
south
east.
You
can
see
the
purple
parcels
to
allow
some
flexibility
along
the
freeway
there's
commercial
town,
south
of
the
101
freeway
south
of
newbury
road.
I
That
was
a
change
that
was
made
by
recommended
by
the
planning
commission
from
commercial
regional.
On
then
to
the
north
side
of
the
freeway.
The
red
is
the
commercial
regional.
Those
are
areas
that
currently
have
hotels
right
now
and
the
potential
for
adding
more
hotels
or
conference
center
in
that
area,
so
that
is
the
sort
of
the
picture
trying
to
again
expand
the
opportunities
for
residential
and
mixed-use
development
in
the
rancho
canejo
area.
B
B
L
L
B
It
is
35
feet,
okay
and
where
the
palm
garden
hotel
is
that
highest
height
is
35
feet
right.
M
F
L
However,
I
know
there
is
a
demand
for
some
hotels
that
will
service
the
the
biotech
sector
out
there
and
I
think,
of
the
I
think
of
the
higher
end
hotels.
The
four
seasons
is
a
five-story
building
that
would
not.
That
would
not
be.
They
would
not
even
look
at
that
property
if
it
was
35
foot.
L
L
Or
across
the
street,
there's
the
area,
housing
authority
and
I
think,
there's
a
for.
L
G
F
L
F
L
The
one
on
the
east
side
there
would
be
where
I
would
put
it,
but
the
one
on
the
west
has
a
two
or
three
story:
motel,
the
palm
garden.
There
now.
B
Well,
the
one
on
toward
the
east
has
the
the
starbucks
and
the
chase
bank
and
it's
a
pretty
busy
little
strip
mall
the
walmart
walmart
neighborhood
shop
yeah.
It's.
L
L
But,
like
I
say,
if
you,
if
you
look
down
the
line,
if
if
we
want
to
be
able
to
attract
a
real
four-star
hotel,
I
don't
know
where
else
he
would
put
it.
I
agree
with
you
that
the
little
old,
smart
and
final
center
there
with
the
north
of
rancho,
canada,
east
west
of
rancho
canao,
probably
won't
accommodate
it,
but
that
that
location
would.
F
So,
mr
engler,
if
I'm
hearing
you
correctly
leave
the
designation
on
the
east,
one,
commercial,
regional,
as
is
for
that
future
growth-
that
could
be
there,
but
the
one
that's
east
off
of
rancho
canao,
allow
that
to
come
from
commercial,
regional
down
to
commercial
town.
Is
that
what
we're
saying
here.
L
Yeah
the
odd
the
odd
shape
one
there
where
the
cursor
is.
I
would
reduce
that
impact
there,
but
keep
the
other
ones.
That
sounds
good
to
me.
G
M
G
Here's
oh.
E
E
B
B
All
right,
so
the
question
now
south
of
the
freeway
is
the
mixed-use
slow
along
newbury
road
and
kelly
road,
which
is
timber
school.
What
is
the
current
designation
in
the
general
plan.
B
M
Timber
school
is
today
commercial.
M
M
Correct,
I
believe,
is
about
200
apartments
in
this
area:
a
hotel,
a
four-story
hotel
in
the
northeast
corner
and
then
repurposing
the
the
timber
school
building.
K
Just
I
can
speak
to
that
councilmember
jones.
It's
currently
slated
for
planning
commission
in
june,
so
it'll
be
the
next
project
coming
forward
and
then
pretty
quickly.
Thereafter
coming
to
the
city
council.
B
What
is
the
height
that
we
greenlighted
when
it
came
before
us.
C
Do
you
mean
before
they
reach
council
here
shortly?
That
project,
I
think,
is
in
a
position
where
they
wouldn't
revise
it
at
this.
G
M
J
B
H
L
K
B
Did
and
then
we
have
to
the
west
commercial
neighborhood,
which
is
35
feet
that
remains,
as
is
commercial
town,
is
to
the
east.
Okay,
and
then
we
go.
We
cross
rancho
conejo
orchard
road,
it
is,
and
then
we
have
the
parcel
that
is
split
zone
currently
low
residential
one,
two,
eight
and
then
commercial
on
the
eastern
end.
A
L
Time
was
mixed-use
medium,
I
think,
and
it
makes
use
so
low.
The
planning
commission
reduced
that
to
and
I'll
have
to
look
at
neighborhood,
medium
or
him
medium
or
something
like
yeah,
that
is
more
town,
homes
and
200
lots
and
things
like
that
triplexes.
L
I
think
we
should
leave
that
in
that
configuration
rather
than
go
back
and
make
it
any
more
intense
that
that'll
give
us
a
nice
transition
from
the
single-family
residence
neighborhoods
to
the
south
yeah
transition
to
something
a
little
more
intense
that
matches
across
the
street
and
then
into
the
mixed
use.
L
E
L
Consistent
well
again,
I
think
I
think
it
helps
with
with
the
vision
going
forward.
Now
we
have
the
transitions
from
between
the
neighborhoods
so
and
but
it
also
adds
a
little
more
housing
to
the
mix.
J
If
I
may
add,
it
was
analyzed,
I
believe
in
2004
as
a
housing
study
that
was
presented
to
the
city
council
and
at
that
time
it
was
presented
to
be
a
high
density
site
for
housing,
but
that.
J
E
J
G
J
G
G
B
G
The
I
I.
L
Was
thinking
the
designation
that
the
planning
commission
put
there
which
allows,
I
think
for
duplexes
and
triplexes
and
standalones
was
probably
a
good
transition
from.
B
It
what
about
the
the
one
parcel
that
we
don't
see
on
here
is
maurice
drive.
E
B
E
B
Have
that
commercial
that
has
an
residential
application
pending?
Yes,.
J
L
J
In
the
oh.
B
J
J
B
Okay,
that
is
10
to
20
units,
an
acre
okay.
How
many
acres
is
it
two
two
and
a
half.
J
M
B
Okay,
okay,
you
can
verify
all
right,
so
that
would
be
that
all
right
and
then
last
but
not
least,
the
orchard
road
property.
There
are
37
acres
currently
in
the
to
the
to
the
west.
Thank
you
currently
zoned
a
low
residential
one
to
eight
and
then
the
eastern
end
of
the
parcel
is
commercial.
B
It
is
a
flood
zone
and
has
environmental
constraints,
but
it
is
designated
as
commercial
residential,
which
is
horizontal
mixed
use
in
a
sense.
F
May
I
share
some
thoughts
on
that
property
regarding
what
has
been
put
out
by
county
board
supervisor,
linda
parks.
She
keeps
referring
to
that
property
as
wetlands
and
I
pulled
out
my
biology
books
from
college
and
looked
up
what
a
wetlands
is.
I
grew
up
near
culver
city,
where
the
wetlands
were
by
hughes
aircraft
and
I
walked
this
property
twice.
F
B
F
So
it's
not
a
wetlands
that
whole
area
that
neighborhood
is
a
flood
zone
and
what
happens
when
you
build
houses
you
put
in
drainage,
so
this
property
yes,
gets
wet
when
it
rains,
but
it
percolates
down.
In
fact,
it's
one
of
the
few
areas
that
we
have
in
thousand
oaks
that
actually
has
an
aquifer
underneath
that's
active
and
works
from
my
water
expertise,
teaching
at
ventura
college.
It
also
has
waste
water
going
through
it
with
all
the
plumbing
system.
That
needs
to
be
there
with
the
sewers.
F
So
it's
not
a
flood
zone.
I'm
sorry!
It's
not
a
flood
area,
it's
not
a
wetlands,
but
it's
also
not
a
flood
overflow
area
that
is
being
alluded
to
by
the
misinformation
coming
out
from
linda
parks,
because
that
whole
area,
if
you
build
houses
on
it,
you
build
mixed
use.
Whatever
the
builder
takes
care
of
the
drainage
as
the
same
way
that
if
there
weren't
any
houses
on
all
that
neighborhood,
the
water
would
sit
there
and
eventually
percolate
down.
F
Now
that
used
to
be
owned
by
the
seven-day
adventists
and
they
taught
people
how
to
do
citrus
grove
growing
and
when
they
built
the
neighborhood
around
there.
The
contractor
took
four
feet
of
soil
to
create
that
hole
there.
That
covers
the
full
37
acres
to
level
out
the
other
neighborhood
to
build
the
homes
that
are
there
right
now.
F
So
my
point
is:
is
that
a
lot
of
misinformation
by
linda
parks
has
gone
out
to
the
community,
which
has
created
a
lot
of
angst
and
no
matter
which
way
we
vote
on.
This
half
are
going
to
love
us
and
half
are
going
to
hate
it,
but
I
just
want
to
put
out
the
facts
that
again,
it
is
not
a
wetland
by
the
definition
of
a
wetland.
B
F
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
just
so.
We
have
clarity
going
in
on
this
particular
properties
and
you're
correct.
No
one
has
said
that
so
far,
however,
I
just
want
to
clarify
what
linda
parks
has
put
out
there
and
I'm
just
restraining
my
disappointment
in
what's
happened,
and
I
just
want
to
share
that
with
the
public.
So
they
understand
what
we're
dealing
with
and
my
understanding
of
the
property.
B
Okay,
very
good.
This
property
obviously
is
not
considered
a
wetlands
per
se.
Fish
and
wildlife
service,
however,
has
identified
it
as
a
pem.
What
is
that
called?
That
is
where
it
is
it's
seasonal.
It
is
seasonal
and
the
letter
from
june
of
last
year
states
about
so
the
letter
from
last
year
also
states
that
the
most
recent
update
to
the
mapper
for
this
parcel
used
high
resolution,
color
infrared
imagery
from
2002
and
I'm
reading
from
the
supplemental
packet,
the
on-screen
image
interpretation
was
completed.
B
Blah
blah
blah,
comparing
to
2002
imagery
on
the
mapper,
with
present-day
images,
clearly
shows
significant
changes
on
the
ground.
Determining
the
factors
behind
these
changes
is
not
part
of
the
nwi
update
process
and
any
perceived
wetland
loss
should
be
investigated
by
those
with
the
authority
to
do
so
at
the
local
county,
state
or
federal
level.
So
this
isn't
a
supplemental
packet.
B
And
no
there,
it
is
identified
as
having
seasonal
runoff
there,
but.
F
B
Other
side,
it
didn't
used
to
be
that
way,
but
it
is
so
now
it
is
so
now
and
I
know
you're
disappointed
with
linda
parks
and
that's
fine,
but
we're
not
here
to
criticize
linda
parks,
we're
here
to
discuss
the
general
plan.
Wow.
G
B
I
wanted
to
say
that,
right
now
the
this
parcel
has
the
ability
to
develop
residential
as
well
as
commercial.
It's
got
horizontal
mixed
use,
that's
that's
what
it
has,
and
but
it
is
a
challenging
parcel
to
develop.
We're
told
that
we
need
to
identify
parcels
that
can
realistically
be
developed
over
the
years.
B
G
B
So
I
mean
it's
37
acres
realistically,
it
couldn't
really
be
developed
at
that
level.
At
that
density,.
G
Think
anybody's
questioning
the
fact
that
this
is
not
a
challenging
property
to
develop.
Even
the
owner
understands
that.
But
you
know
I
look
at
how
it
was
the
staff
originally
sounded
its
split
zone,
and
I
just
think
that
was
totally
untenable.
G
You
know
you
had
people
want
to
buy
it's
a
big
piece:
it's
37
acres
people
are
asking
for
a
buffer
and
staff
thought
well
we'll
make
the
buffer
houses,
but
the
way
it's
set
up
now
with
mixed
use,
the
buffer
can
be
open
space,
which
would,
in
my
mind,
would
be
much
more
desirable
than
having
a
house
in
your
backyard.
G
And
then
it
just
seems
to
me
that
some
of
the
things
that
could
be
done
there
could
be
quite
ingenious
because
it's
it's
just
a
it's
an
it's
a
it's
a
blank
slate
37
acres
right
on
the
freeway,
and
this
I
I
I
you
know
I
will
tie
it
to
the
biotech
sector,
which
is
a
quarter
mile
away.
G
G
L
In
terms
in
terms
of
of
you
know,
I
go
back
to
my
my
vision
for
the
city
and,
like
councilman
adams
said
this.
Particular
property
may
never
be
built
on
because
of
the
issues
with
the
property.
L
That
said,
I
think
it
holds
incredible
potential
for
something
that
will
be
a
almost
almost
a
transformative,
proper.
L
L
If,
if
I
have
no
illusions
that
what
we've
been
presented
will
eventually
be
put
there
because
we're
looking
at
five
ten
years
down
the
line,
who
knows
what
is
going
to
be
in
demand
in
those
days,
however,
in
in
and
in
trying
to
be
flexible
and
give
enough
flexibility
into
the
future
to
have
a
neighborhood,
not
neighborhood,
but
a
mixed
use,
low
designation
across
the
property
allows
for
the
setbacks
away
from
the
co,
the
residential.
L
Now
the
traffic
issues
that
place
will
not
go
in
unless
the
developer
can
address
the
traffic
issues,
among
others
among
others,
of
course.
So
that's
just
one
example
so,
but
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
do
anything.
This
is
too
much
of
an
opportunity
really
to
be
a
transformative
for
that
area
and
and,
as
councilman
jones
has
said,
and
councilman
adams,
the
the
potential
for
servicing
that
biotech
hub
with
housing
is,
is
you
know
something?
We
really
can't
turn
our
back
on
either
well.
B
No
and
you're
right
this
has
potential,
and
this
is
why
it's
wonderful
that
we
can
actually
amend
the
general
plan
four
times
a
year
every
year,
and
so
once
a
proposal
is
presented,
I
think
there's
only
been
one
proposal
presented
in
2000
and
I
don't
know
what
was
it
six?
Perhaps
I
don't
remember
it's
I
mean
the
the
interested
developer
at
the
time
found
it
not
feasible
to
to
develop.
Was
it
warmington
home
centex
homes,
one
of
the
two
there's.
M
B
Centix,
okay
and
but
the
beauty
of
the
general
plan
is
that
it
lives.
It
changes
it's
a
living
document,
and
so
I
would
certainly
hope
that
one
of
these
years,
a
proposal
would
be
brought
forth
that
that
makes
sense.
But
so
far
there
hasn't
been
anything
and
again
u.s
army
corps
of
engineers
looked
at
it
to
see
if
it
could
be
fixed.
L
L
B
Far
with
this
particular
parcel,
so
I'd
be,
you
know
more
than
happy
to
look
at
it,
but
for
now
I
mean
it
is
designated
as
commercial
residential.
It's
it's
not
it.
I
mean
there
is
an
opportunity
to
to
do
something
with
it
now
matter.
B
A
residential
low
up
to
eight
units
and
then
commercial
to
the
eastern
end.
B
E
A
H
H
E
G
G
But
I
I
think
bob
hit
the
nail
right
on
the
head.
The
low
mix
use
gives
the
property
a
certain
amount
of
flexibility
to
provide
not
just
housing
but
amenities
as
well,
and
as
long
as
I've
lived
here.
Newbury
park
has
always
said.
Well,
we
are
we're
always
shortchanged
on
the
amenity
side.
Westlake
and
thousand
oaks
gets
everything,
and
I
I
like
the
idea
that
flexibility
is
going
to
work.
Are
they
going
to
put
it
together?
Well
that
that's
that's
their
situation,
but
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
provide
the
property
the
chance.
F
And
to
mr
adams
point:
I
agree
with
you
100,
in
that,
let's
give
the
developer
an
option
here
to
try
to
develop
it
with
all
the
challenges.
We
are
not
going
to
solve
all
those
problems
right
now,
that's
the
developers
job,
but
let's
give
them
the
opportunity,
because
I
think
this
could
be
a
destination
for
everyone
in
newberry
park
to
go
and
have
a
nice
time
with
the
family
to
accommodate
some
of
the
housing.
That
is
short,
perhaps
on
the
other
side
of
the
freeway,
with
the
biotech
hub.
F
They
can
put
them
there
in
this
facility
or
in
this
location,
and
I
think
it
accomplishes
many
goals
of
this
council
to
allow
this
to
be
mixed
use
low,
which
is
what
the
developer
wants
and
we
always
can
say.
No,
if
it
comes
forth
to
the
council
and
the
county
can
also
say
no,
if
they
don't
like
what's
being
proposed
and
we're.
G
B
B
This
one
has
not
been
brought
forth
before
the
council
for
a
prescreening.
For
anything,
I'm
not
saying
the
council
wouldn't
give
it
a
green
light,
but
we
haven't
had
anything
to
see
what
can
be
done
with
it
right
now,
and
so
I'm
sure
it's
because
it's
you
know
ingress
egress.
How
do
you
access
it
and
and
and
all
of
that
it's
it's
a
tough
one,
but
I
don't.
B
L
Is
why
which
is
the
easiest
this
this
property,
though-
and
I
am
you
know-
I
we
had
a
far
prior
discussion
about
the
the
residential
over
there
by
lawrence
with
the
brand
new
buildings
that
have
a
50-year
life
and
everything
this
property,
with
all
its
all.
Its
challenges,
probably
has
more
chance
of
having
something
built
on
it
than
those
brand
new
buildings
being
torn
down.
L
L
Now
you
have
a
lot
of
hoops
to
jump
through
when
you
get
done
jumping
through
hoops.
You
come
to
us
with
what
you
think
you
can
put
in
there
and
we'll
let
you
know
if
that's
going
to
work
for
us,
but
right
now,
if
putting
it
as
a
mixed
use
low,
I
guess
it
is
mixed.
Use
low
gives
that
flexibility
ten
years
from
now,
whenever
he
gets
done
with
the
county
and
gets
done
with
traffic
studies
and
gets
done
with
the
army
corps
of
engineer,
whatever
other
hoops
he
needs
to
jump
through.
B
G
A
F
B
Let's
do
this,
would
you
would
you
please
separate
the
orchard
wrote
parcel
from
the
rest
because
I'd
like
to
approve
the
rest,
but
this
one
is
so
challenging.
I
look
forward
to
receiving
a
concept
from
the
developer
or
the
owner,
or
whoever
can
we.
F
Do
that
I'm
not
tracy,
I'm
not
willing
to
do
that.
No,
I
I
want
to
I
want
to
if
you
want
to
separate
again
or
go
to
our
legal
expert,
if
you
want
to
separate
out
everything
else
that
we're
talking
about
and
then
approve
that
and
then
come
back
to
this
one
to
approve
or
not
approve
at
this
meeting,
I'm
okay
with
that,
but
not
to
say
that
we're
going
to
put
the
developer
through
hoops
and
have
them
come
back
with
a
plan
that
we
have
to
look
at
later
on.
B
H
So
again,
it's
it's
not
a
matter
of
a
legal
issue,
but
once
a
motion
is
made,
then
the
only
way
to
mod-
if
is
if
the
maker
of
the
motion
agrees,
to
amend
the
motion,
that's
right
and
he's
not
willing
to
do
that.
So
if
council.
A
B
G
B
F
B
Two
sometimes
two
separate
motions:
when
you
want
to
say
something:
can
you
can
I
vote
on
that,
but
not
on
the
other
we've
allowed
for
flexibility
before
oh.
F
G
B
I
have
a
question
for
tracy
noonan,
so
obviously
you
know
I
I
have
concerns
about
that
particular
parcel.
It
is
an
opportunity
site.
I
do
support
everything
else
if
I
were
to
to
vote
but
be
on
the
record
as
opposing
something
from
four
units,
an
acre
to
30
units,
an
acre.
How
would
that
work
legally?
Well,.
H
Again,
remember
all
we're
doing
is
we're
getting
direction
or
endorsement
of
a
land
use
map
for
a
staff
to
study.
So
again
you
know
the
votes
that
are
occurring
tonight.
You
know
five,
I
think,
all
of
them,
but
one
has
been
a
5-0
vote.
Yeah.
B
H
One
is
not
a
5-0
vote,
whatever
the
majority
is
that's
what
staff
will
study
and
then
bring
back
fur
again
for
formal
adoption
and
consideration
by
the
city
council
as
part
of
the
the
comprehensive
general
plan?
It's
not
a
legal
issue.
Okay,
again,
very
good
staff
understands
it
because.
L
Point
of
clarification,
just
so
I
know
exactly
we're
we're
voting
on
the
staff
recommendation
yeah,
with
the
exception
of
across
the
street,
at
the
old,
smart
and
final
area,
we're
going
to
downgrade
that
to
our
commercial
town.
L
And
then
also,
this
was
at
it
that.
A
L
M
B
E
M
L
D
B
K
I'm
I'm
going
very
quickly,
so
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
council.
It's
a
lot
of
work
this
evening
and
you
really
worked
through
it
and
in
a
very
deliberate
and
professional
manner
and
appreciative
for
all
the
staff
work
as
well
that
went
into
it.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
in
two
weeks
on
the
8th
of
june
I'll,
get
a
little
bit
more
focus
back
to
some
bread
and
butter,
we'll
be
bringing
our
proposed
budget
forward
for
adoption,
and
they
also
have
an
update
from
our
youth
commission.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
and
we
will
adjourn
tonight
in
memory
of
george
floyd
as
well
as
paul
burns.
B
Tonight
we
are
journeying
in
memory
of
a
distinguished
community
member
paul
burns
who
passed
away
february,
7th
paul,
moved
to
thousand
oaks
in
1965
and
worked
for
the
ventura
county
sheriff's
office
for
17
years.
As
a
deputy
with
the
thousand
oaks
police
department
during
a
high-speed
car
chase.
Paul
was
in
an
accident
that
ended
his
career
with
the
department
that
same
year
he
started
his
own
business,
which
she
grew
into
burnt.
B
Specific
construction
based
on
thousand
oaks
in
1977
paul
opened,
geppetto's
italian
family
restaurant
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
boulevard,
where
he
hosted
several
fundraisers
for
organizations
such
as
the
sheriff's
drug
abuse,
resistance,
education
program,
crime,
stoppers,
the
ymca
and
the
special
olympics
in
2005
paul's
family
donated
27
thousand
dollars
to
single
parent
families
in
the
conejo
valley,
unified
school
district
at
six
different
title.
One
schools,
but
paul
is
probably
best
known
for
his
annual
free
lunch
at
geppetto's
restaurant.
B
For
his
first
responders
for
four
first
responders
paul
said
there
was
never
anywhere
for
a
patrolling
cop
to
get
a
decent
lunch
on
a
holiday
so
on
labor
day
as
a
way
of
saluting
deputies,
police,
highway,
patrol
officers,
firefighters
and
paramedics
paul
donated
lunch
at
other
times
when
a
deputy
was
seriously
ill
or
facing
a
family
hardship.
Paul
donated
a
day's
worth
of
restaurants.
Proceeds
to
support
them.
Paul
is
survived
by
his
wife
of
39
years
speech,
pathologist,
lisa,
two
daughters,
three
granddaughters
and
a
great
grandson.
B
E
I've
known
paul
since
he
was
probably
in
his
20s,
he
and
denny
gillette
patrol
thousand
oaks
boulevard
together
to
make
sure
nobody
was
robbing
any
of
the
stores.
E
I
I
worked
for
bob
morrison
at
a
thousand
slicker
in
the
summer
of
of
60s
1967
and
they
used
to
come
in
on
a
regular,
beat
so
I've
known
paul
since
that
time
one
anecdote
he
there
was
a
bar
where
you
stood
at
the
cash
register
at
thousands
of
slaves,
and
if
you
raised
your
foot,
you
set
off
an
alarm
at
the
sheriff
station
and
inadvertently
jack
mcgrath,
who
used
to
ride
around
in
a
in
a
tub
a
bathtub
on
a
canal
valley
days.
E
B
Right
we
have
one,
there
are
40
seconds
left.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.