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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - June 28, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 6/28/22
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A
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A
B
Okay,
everybody
we
have
a
quorum,
our
our
other
members
will
be
joining
us
shortly,
but
first,
if
you
can
all
please
rise
and
help
me
salute
the
flag.
C
C
Yes,
we
do
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
that
this
is
the
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence,
and
so
far
we
have
two
individuals
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
B
D
Thank
you
and
good
evening.
Council
members,
I'm
jeff
schwartz
from
thousand
oaks.
The
massive
coveted
spending
packages
over
the
past
two
years
have
created
a
five
trillion
dollar
increase
in
the
national
debt.
Our
children
and
grandchildren
are
going
to
be
held
responsible
for
paying
back
those
5
trillion
dollars
worse.
These
huge
spending
packages,
plus
a
reckless
monetary
policy,
have
resulted
in
record-setting
inflation
that
we
are
now
facing.
D
Inflation
is
caused
by
government.
Debt
government
pays
for
its
debts
by
printing
new
money
out
of
thin
air,
thus
increasing
the
money
supply.
Now
imagine
if
we
were
to
double
the
money
supply,
you
might
think
that's
great.
We
get
all
this
extra
money,
but
that
extra
money
chases
the
goods,
raises
the
prices
and
we
end
up
paying
for
all
this
through
inflation,
we're
paying
more
and
more
the
gas
pump
and
grocery
store,
and
that's
a
result
of
last
year's
reckless
spending
and
borrowing
the
u.s
borrowed
3
trillion
last
year.
D
D
That's
what
can
happen
when
they
promise
us
something
for
nothing,
because
there
is
no
free
lunch.
So
when
the
government
offers
us
free
things,
say:
hey
we'll
give
you
a
free
covert
relief
package,
it
isn't
free
they're,
going
to
print
up
money
to
pay
for
it
and
we're
going
to
get
stuck
with
the
bill
through
inflation.
D
To
make
things
worse.
We
complied
with
heart.
We
complied
with
harmful
strings
that
were
attached
to
these
programs.
We
shut
down
small
businesses,
then
required
them
to
lose
even
more
money
by
demanding
they
reduce
their
hours
and
reduce
the
number
of
customers
allowed
in
their
stores.
We
weakened
the
economy,
caused
inflation,
ended
up,
hurting
the
working
class
and
small
businesses.
We
were
trying
to
help
as
a
result
of
these
harmful
spending
bills
and
mandates.
We
don't
need
more
handouts,
we
don't
need
more
mandates
dictated
by
washington
or
sacramento.
D
E
E
E
Resolutions
and
written
policies
against
violence
and
hate
won't
stop
a
nine
millimeter
round
bullets,
don't
recognize
age,
gender,
race
or
religion.
I'm
here
tonight
to
ask
this
city
council
to
partner
with
the
cvusd
school
board
and
administration,
to
make
improvements
in
the
security
at
our
schools.
Working
together
would
lessen
the
fiscal
impact
for
both
entities.
E
There
are
several
areas
that
need
to
be
explored,
improve
the
perimeter,
fencing
with
privacy
screens
to
block
the
view
of
students
in
outdoor
areas,
equip
every
school
with
security
cameras
covering
all
entry
and
exit
points,
as
well
as
hallways
and
outdoor
areas
increased
funding
for
school
resource
resource
officers.
I
know
the
city
pays
for
our
resource
officers.
Currently,
there
is
one
research
office
officer
assigned
to
each
high
school
and
those
officers
must
divide
their
time
between
the
elementary
middle
schools.
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E
E
F
F
F
G
B
G
B
But
I
don't
think
you
want
to
do
that.
I
was
going
to
bring
up
the
the
election
of
2010
when
I
ran
on
affordable
housing.
You
know
at
the
time
I
never
thought
that
I'd
be
leaving
thousand
oaks
because
of
affordable
housing,
but
I'm
very
happy
in
camarillo
and
I'd
like
to
invite
each
and
every
one
of
you
honestly
to.
G
B
Art
often
defines
cities,
you
know
sydney,
you
know
the
opera
house
architecture,
that's.
G
Pretty
and
in
all
the
years
that
I'm
a
historian
actually
on
this
thing,
crazy
horse
has
been
built
for
so
many
years,
but
as
far
as
the
copper
curtain,
it
was
the
first
time
I
ever
got
involved
with
thousand.
B
Oaks,
I'm
getting
a
little
reminiscent
it
was
22
years
ago
this
year
and
I
love
those
double
twos
and
it's
not
too
late
to
pull
something
off.
I
could
build
this
thing
for
the
cost
of
a
granny
flat
in
the
back
of
in
the
backyard
of
some
old
t.o
place,
and
I've
never
heard
in
my
entire
history
of
revised
public
art
and
actually
the
city
did
revise
it,
but
we
could
unrevise
it
and.
B
2020
was
great
the
last
the
last
of
the
greats.
You
know
dennis
gillette
and
andy
fox,
and
of
course
you
guys
ran
as
a
team
and
and
you
were
there,
bob,
I
gotta
say
bob
is
the
most
qualified
person
I
have
ever
seen
sit
in
that
seat
in
thousand
oaks
he's
been
there
the
whole
damn
time
and
he
was
right
there
with
andy
the
whole.
B
Anyway,
I'd
like
to
invite
you
to
rethink,
rethink
something-
this
is
a
reinvention.
This
is
not.
B
B
G
G
I
know
I
can't
speak
to
any
council
members
directly,
but
I
live
in
a
city
whose
foundations
were
set
by
a
councilman
here
I
started
my
college
career
at
loyola
marymount,
like
a
councilman
here,
a
coffee
bar
that
I
opened
with
my
wife,
served
as
the
live
interview
spot
leading
up
to
the
recent
elections
that
saw
two
councilmen
get
elected
and
a
councilman
has
been
connected
with
my
story
ever
since
she
presented
me
a
plaque
from
the
city
at
my
eagle
scout
court
of
honor,
I'm
honored
to
be
here
as
I've
developed
from
child
of
thousand
oaks
to
autonomous
inhabitants.
G
I
faced
the
same
questions.
Everyone
has
from
the
classes
of
2000
to
2020..
Is
it
financially
worth
it
to
stay
in
this
place
that
I
love
so
much
from
my
wife
and
I
it
was
a
definite
yes,
but
what
that
meant
for
us?
The
ramifications
to
that
question-
and
that
answer
is
that
we
couldn't
be
passive
and
we
also
couldn't
just
see
the
city
as
an
investment
opportunity,
but
a
community
that
we
wanted
to
invest
in.
G
I
seek
to
be
an
ally
in
many
of
the
dreams
that
each
of
you
have
for
this
community
and
the
things
you
guys
have
all
run
on
an
external
asset,
hopefully,
and
helping
ideas
turn
into
action.
The
vehicle
that
I
see
being
the
best
tool
for
this
is
unfortunately
defunct.
The
business
roundtable.
G
I
came
here
posing
the
question
of
whether
it
might
be
time
to
bring
it
back
beyond
its
prior
iteration.
I
hope
that
it
can
encapsulate
more
than
just
deciding
what
sizes
and
colors
store
signage
should
be,
but
being
a
true
round
table
of
ideas
brainstormed
by
those
who
are
active
in
this
community.
G
People
like
britney
from
naughty
prime
night
pine,
drew
from
oak
and
iron
and
lauren
from
your
cbd
store
all
within
walking
distance
from
here.
They
have
hopes
for
this
city
beyond
just
increased
property
values.
We
seek
street
fairs,
beautiful
trails,
public
art
and
the
fostering
of
active
transport.
G
B
D
From
united
construction
and
landscape
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
one
of
a
project,
I
bid
two
weeks
ago,
conejo
canyon,
bridge
project
and
I'm
I'm
the
low
bidder
of
this
project
and.
D
And
anyway,
we
have
a
right
license
and
right
qualification
and
right
experience
to
do
this
project
and.
D
I'm
I'm
lower
than
like
150
000
lower
than
the
second
bidder.
Second
lowest
bidder
of
this
project.
I'm
protesting
why
we
pay
150
000,
more
public
money.
D
Disqualifying
first
bidder
and
and
and
I'm
a
local
contractor-
and
I
was
living
in
18
years
thousand
no
city
of
thousand,
knocks
I'm
kind
of
protesting.
B
Okay,
mr
powers,.
G
B
Are
you
speaking
on
other
items
before
us
tonight
other
than
the
8a
we'll
we'll
be
getting
that
shortly?
So
when
that
item
comes
up,
we'll
have
public
speaking
for
that
as
well.
This
is
just
general
public's
comments.
H
Just
following
up
on
a
few
items,
mr
mayor,
in
regards
to
the
question
regarding
the
water
patrols
as
a
reminder
to
the
to
the
council,
part
of
the
regulations
that
were
imposed
upon
us
with
this
drought
require
an
enforcement
plan
and
that
enforcement
plan.
All
agencies
across
southern
california
are
required
to
submit
that
those
patrols
are
part
of
our
enforcement
plan
they're.
H
On
top
of
that,
we
anticipate
that
at
least
partial
reimbursement
from
metropolitan
water
services,
on
the
costs
associated
with
those
enforcement
plans
in
regards
to
questions
about
arts
and
culture,
just
as
there
and
and
frankly,
the
business
roundtable
as
a
reminder,
as
part
of
our
general
plan,
update,
that's
underway.
We
have
two
elements
that
we'll
touch
on
just
those
areas,
which
is
our
cultural
arts
element
and
we're
looking
forward
to
to
that
which
is
going
to
have
a
public
art
component
to
it.
H
And
our
business,
roundtable
and
and
discussions
about
community
involvement
and
economic
development
will
be
tied
in
with
the
economic
development
element
of
the
strategic
plan,
general
plan
and
then
finally,
in
regards
to
to
schools,
the
speaker
was
correct.
We
do
provide,
we
do
provide
school
resource
officers
at
the
high
schools
and
within
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
does
fully
fund
those
positions
which
is
fairly
rare
for
cities
to
do
that.
They
they
are
not
at
all
the
all
the
locations.
There's
a
significant
price
tag
associated
with
that.
H
That
said,
the
city
council
does
have
a
long
history
of
funding
projects
with
collaboratively
with
the
school
district.
Many
of
our
sports
facilities
are
examples
of
of
just
those
things,
and
so,
as
we
move
forward,
we'll
certainly
look
for
opportunities
to
continue
to
collaborate
with
the
school
district
and
then
finally,
the
gentleman
that's
mentioned.
The
kaneho
canyons
bridge
project
that'll
be
for
the
council
next
next
tuesday
night,
the
bid
award
for
that.
We
are
aware
of
his
bid
protest
and,
as
the
council
knows,
there
is
a
formal
process
associated
with
that.
B
B
C
And
that
motion
passes
5-0
and
I
have
ordinance
titles
to
read.
The
two
ordinances
are
ordinance
adopting
specific
plan
number
22,
325
and
391
hampshire
road
and
its
associated
general
plan
amendment
and
authorizing
the
land
uses
and
development
standards.
In
said,
specific
plan,
applicant
imt
capital
v,
hampshire,
llc,
ordinance,
number
1699-ns
and
ordinance
approving
a
development
agreement,
325
and
391
hampshire,
road,
applicant
imt,
capital
v,
hampshire,
llc,
ordinance,
number
1700-ns.
B
G
During
the
year,
wastewater
customers
are
notified
about
their
delinquent
balance
on
each
monthly
or
bi-monthly
bill
plus
follow-up
reminder
notices
for
each
new
bill.
That
is
past
due
annually.
Two
separate
letters
are
sent
to
inform
the
property
owner
that
the
city
intends
to
attach
the
past
to
amounts
to
the
property
tax
rolls.
G
G
G
G
B
We
will
we
will.
We
do
not
have
any
public
speakers
so
before
we
take
the
motion
we'll
have
to
close
the
public
hearing
any
questions
from
my
colleagues
very
good,
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
mr
bill
delapena.
F
B
C
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
this
public
hearing.
All
documents
for
the
city,
council
and
the
official
city
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
15
people
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards
are
allowed
three
minutes
each.
The
applicant
is
allowed
15
minutes
with
a
five
minute
rebuttal.
The
yellow
light
displays
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
K
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
the
council,
members
of
the
public.
The
project
before
you
tonight
is
a
request
to
construct
a
residential,
multi-family
residential
building
and
also
a
four-story
parking
structure
at
one
baxter
way.
K
K
As
far
as
the
proposed
project,
the
subject,
property
is
42.9
acres.
The
proposed
multi-family
residential
development
includes
four
buildings.
The
project
also
includes
one
four-story
parking
structure.
Building
the
total
unit
count
is
264
of
which
34
are
affordable.
K
Here's
an
aerial
photograph
of
the
subject-
property,
it's
outlined
in
red.
You
have
thousand
oaks
boulevard
to
the
north
and
you
have
the
101
freeway
to
the
south
and,
as
demonstrated
here,
you
have
an
existing
industrial
office,
building
with
surface
level
parking
to
the
north
of
the
property
and
an
expansive
lawn
to
the
south
side.
K
The
site
is,
has
been
previously
developed.
So
there
is
existing
infrastructure,
there's
water,
sewer
and
storm
drains
on
the
subject
site.
There
are
two
points
of
access
to
the
property
from
lakeview
canyon
road,
and
there
also
is
a
bridge
existing
on
the
western
portion
of
the
property
between
the
site
and
the
promenade.
K
Here's
an
aerial
photograph
demonstrating
the
surrounding
land
uses
on
the
subject.
Property
highlighted
in
the
pink
circle
is
the
location
of
where
the
proposed
multi-family
residential
buildings
will
be
located
in
the
orange
square
is
where
the
proposed
parking
structure
will
be
located,
and
you
can
see
here.
You
have
the
existing
industrial
office
building
to
the
south
of
those
proposed
buildings
to
the
to
the
west.
K
You
have
existing
commercial
at
the
promenade
and
beyond
that
you
have
west
lake
boulevard
and
you
have
thousand
oaks
boulevard
to
the
north,
and
you
have
lake
buchanan
road
to
the
east
and
you
have
the
101
freeway
to
the
south.
Beyond
lakeview
canyon,
road,
you
do
have
existing
industrial
offices
and
to
the
northeast.
You
have
an
existing
school
and
then
beyond
that
you
have
open
space
land
uses.
K
Here's
an
existing
view
of
the
subject
site,
as
you
see
it
from
lakeview
canyon
road.
This
is
looking
towards
the
subject
property
towards
the
south.
You
can
see
there
the
surface
level
parking
area
where
you
would
have
the
proposed
multi-family
residential
buildings
and
on
the
left
side
is
where
the
existing
industrial
office
building
is
located.
K
Here's
another
view
of
the
subject
property
and
in
this
picture
it's
from
the
101
freeway,
looking
towards
the
north
again
that
expansive
lawn
area
with
the
mature
landscaping
at
the
perimeter
of
the
site.
This
is
looking
towards
the
northwest
as
you're
heading
towards
the
westlake
exit.
K
A
little
bit
of
background
on
the
proposed
project,
it's
gone
through
various
stages
of
the
planning
review
process.
In
february
of
2021,
the
city
council
did
allocate
the
264
units
on
the
property
the
applicant
did
come
in
later
on
in
may
of
2021,
with
a
pre-application
for
review
by
staff.
Thereafter
in
august
of
2021,
the
formal
application
was
submitted
for
the
project
and
in
november
of
2021
kickoff
meeting
to
start
the
eir
process
in
february
of
2022,
we
did
have
a
scoping
meeting
for
the
for
project
eir
and
then
in
april
15th
of
2022.
K
K
As
far
as
the
project
modifications
since
the
allocation,
since
it
was
allocated
units,
the
applicant
team
took
city
council
and
staff
recommendations,
including
public
comment
and
submitted
formal
applications
with
substantial
revisions
to
the
project.
These
revisions
include
an
increase
in
residential
units
from
240-264
an
increase
in
affordable
units
from
29-34.
K
The
revisions
also
include
expanded
common
open
space
area
such
as
the
dog
park
and
children's
play
area,
enhanced
sustainable
features
that
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
six
percent
of
industrial
parking
spaces
that
are
for
electric
vehicles,
10
residential
parking
spaces
for
that
are
dedicated
to
electric
vehicles,
charging
stations
for
ev,
bicycles,
long-term,
bicycle
storage,
car
share
programs
and
also
all
electric
units.
K
K
The
initial
step
was
the
pre-screen
where
the
264
units
were
allocated
thereafter,
the
pre-application
was
submitted
to
iron
out
development
requirements.
Then
the
formal
development
application
submittal
stage
where
the
project
was
further
refined.
Thereafter,
staff
began
environmental
review
and
proceeded
with
the
draft
eir.
Then,
on
june
13th
of
this
year,
the
planning
commission
made
a
recommendation
for
approval
to
the
city
council,
and
now
the
project
is
before
the
city
council,
which
is
holding
a
public
hearing
for
the
council
to
take
final
action
on
this
project.
K
As
far
as
the
project
overview,
here's
the
project
site
plan,
as
demonstrated
here,
the
you
have
again
lakeview
canyon,
road
to
the
east
of
the
property.
You
have
the
101
freeway
to
the
south
and
you
have
the
promenade
of
west
lake
to
the
west
beyond
the
an
existing
drainage
course,
and
you
have
thousands
boulevard
to
the
north.
K
The
residential
buildings
are
identified
here
in
the
purple
and
you
have
the
proposed
parking
structure
identified
in
the
blue,
and
then
you
also
have
the
existing
industrial
office
building
identified
here
in
the
gray,
as
demonstrated
here,
you
have
a
internal
access
road
that
we
would
be
modified
as
a
result
of
the
proposed
project.
The
internal
access
road
would
provide
enhanced
connectivity
between
lakeview
canyon,
road
to
the
existing
bridge
to
the
west.
K
Staff
would
like
to
note
that
all
landscaping
and
irrigation
improvements
shall
be
designed
and
installed
in
accordance
with
the
city's
guidelines
and
standards
for
landscape
planting
and
irrigation.
All
landscape
plans
shall
demonstrate
compliance
with
the
state
model.
Water
efficiency,
landscape
ordinance
also
prior
to
the
issuance
of
any
permits,
complete
landscape
and
irrigation
plans.
Reflecting
compliance
with
all
imposed
conditions
of
the
project
shall
be
submitted
under
separate
permit
for
review
and
approval
by
the
city.
K
K
As
far
as
the
affordable
component
of
the
project,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
they
are
proposing
34,
affordable
units.
16
of
those
would
be
in
the
very
low
income
category
and
18
of
those
will
be
in
the
low
income
category.
These
affordable
units
will
be
required
to
be
dispersed
throughout
each
floor
level
of
buildings.
A
and
b
the
project
also
includes
an
affordable
housing
agreement
for
an
ongoing
affordability,
which
will
be
restricted
to
the
units
for
55
years.
K
K
The
combined
925
parking
spaces
and
the
surface
level
parking
result
in
1
279
total
parking
spaces
for
the
industrial
office,
which
results
in
a
surplus
of
34
parking
spaces
from
what
it
is
today.
K
As
far
as
the
protected
tree
impacts
as
a
result
of
the
project,
the
site
does
support
430
protected
trees
of
those
325
are
oak.
Trees,
104
are
california
sycamore
trees,
and
there
is
one
black
walnut
tree
on
the
site.
The
project
includes
removal
of
31
protected,
protected
trees,
which
include
three
coastlive
oaks:
two
valley
oaks
and
26
sycamores.
K
The
removals
are
a
result
of
the
proposed
residential
buildings
outlined
here
in
the
red
square
and
the
four
and
the
four-story
parking
structure
outlined
in
the
red
circle.
The
project
also
includes
encroachment
into
63
oak
trees,
35
sycamore
trees
and
one
black
walnut
tree
due
to
the
31
removals.
The
project
will
require
93
replacement.
Trees
of
these
47
will
be
planted.
On-Site
and
46
will
be
planted
off-site.
K
As
far
as
the
project
elevations,
here's
the
elevation
plan
of
the
proposed
residential
buildings,
as
shown
here,
the
building
a
is
approximately
45
feet
tall
with
an
overall
average
height
of
34
feet.
The
architecture
is
contemporary,
modern
style
with
building
materials
that
include
smooth
stucco,
finish
cement
and
metal
panel,
siding
multi-pane
windows,
recessed,
vinyl
windows,
decorative
window
trim,
roof,
coordinates
and
transparent
panel
railing.
K
As
far
as
the
four-story
parking
structure,
that's
proposed
for
the
project,
as
demonstrated
here,
it
will
be
approximately
55
feet
tall
with
an
overall
average
height
not
to
exceed
50
feet.
The
elevation
at
the
top
demonstrates
a
structure
as
it
faces
the
101
freeway
and
the
elevation
below
facing
west
towards
the
promenade.
K
K
Here's
some
visual
renderings
of
the
of
the
project,
as
provided
by
the
by
the
applicant
architect
on
the
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
have
the
existing
industrial
office
building
identified
in
the
blue
arrow.
K
Then
you
have
the
proposed
residential
buildings
identified
in
the
orange,
with
the
common
open
space
area,
between
the
parking
structure
and
the
residential
units
and
in
the
green
we
identify
the
existing
bridge.
That's
between
the
proposed
residential
component
of
the
project
and
the
promenade
to
the
west,
here's
another
architectural
rendering
of
the
site.
This
is
a
shot
looking
towards
the
south
from
the
intersection
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
lakeview
canyon.
K
Road
again,
you
have
the
subterranean
parking
proposed
at
the
project
with
the
residential
levels
above
and
you
have
the
existing
mature
landscaping
at
the
perimeter
of
the
property.
This
demonstrates
what
the
project
would
look
like.
Looking
at
the
subject
site
from
lake
buchanan
and
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
here's
another
architectural
rendering
in
this
case,
you're,
looking
at
it
from
the
interior
courtyard
area
between
the
residential
buildings.
K
K
K
The
project
also
includes
a
development
agreement
which
set
forth
public
and
private
benefits
and
responsibilities
resulting
from
the
project,
some
deliverables
and
expectations
to
ensure
public
benefit.
This
includes
residential
units,
sustainable
components
and
also
project
amenities.
It
sets
the
term
for
completion
to
seven
years
as
part
of
the
development
agreement.
K
As
far
as
the
environmental
review
process,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
was
a
scoping
meeting
done
back
in
january
of
of
this
year.
The
purpose
of
that
was
to
gather
input
from
stakeholders
in
the
community
and
provide
us
feedback
on
the
extent
of
the
environmental
analysis
for
the
project.
We
did
circulate
the
draft
dir
from
april
15th
of
2022
to
may
31st
to
2022..
K
In
conclusion,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
city's
general
plan
and
the
city
council
goals.
It's
consistent
with
sp,
23
and
applicable
city
standards
and
policies
compatible
with
surrounding
land
uses,
designed
that
the
project
has
been
designed
to
minimize
visual
impacts
of
surrounding
properties,
and
the
proposed
project
would
not
be
detrimental
to
public
health
and
safety
and
general
welfare.
K
With
that
staff
recommends
that
the
city
council
adopt
the
certified
final
environmental
impact
report
in
accordance
with
the
california
environmental
quality
act
and
recommend
approval
of
the
subject.
Applications
based
on
the
findings
and
subject
to
the
suggested
conditions
of
approval
included
in
the
draft
resolution
and
the
ordinances.
That
concludes
staff's
presentation,
I'll
be
available
for
questions.
F
Thank
you
mayor,
so
yeah
right
now
there
is
a
bridge.
I
guess
you
call
it
a
bridge
between
the
promenade
and
the
projected
development
that
we're
talking
about
tonight
and
there's
a
gate
across
the
bridge,
and
I
I
guess
that's
because
the
promenade's
private
property
versus
what
we're
looking
at
tonight
anyway.
What
I'm
getting
at
is
if
this
project
is
approved,
is
there
going
to
be
changes
to
that
bridge?
Are
they
I'm
assuming
the
gate
would
go
away?
Are
they
going
to
widen
it
or
anything
or.
K
Based
on
the
project
plans
and
discussions
with
the
applicant
team,
the
gate
would
remain
as
far
as
part
of
the
project.
However,
there
will
be
access
maintained
between
the
promenade
and
the
subject
site.
There
is
pedestrian
access
available.
There
will
be
no
expansion
of
the
existing
bridge
as
a
result
of
this
project.
Basically,.
K
Yes,
because
the
applicant
has
designed
the
project
to
secure
access
only
for
the
project
residents
and
for
the
subject
property
at
one
baxter
way.
F
You
know
the
we've
had
a
big
push
on
making
projects
walkable
pedestrian
friendly,
and
there
was
a
statistic
in
the
report
that
stuck
out
to
me
about
vehicle
miles
traveled,
and
it
said
that
this
project
would
generate
about
8.99
vehicle
miles.
Traveled
is
that
per
day
that
we're
talking
about
on
average,
I
think.
F
F
And
then
what
was
interesting
is
the
average
resident
goes
fifth
to
almost
twice
that
15
miles
in
vehicle
miles.
Travel
based
on
the
staff
report
is
it
is
that
correct.
G
Yes,
so
if
you
can
picture
it,
it's
the
city-wide
average.
So
if
you
have
somebody
living
out
on
the
west
end
of
newbury
park,
let's
say
dos
vientos
just
to
get
to
the
freeway
it'll,
probably
take
them
about
five
six
miles
to
get
to
the
freeway,
where,
with
this
project,
they're
right
on
the
freeway,
so
it
takes
the
average
of
all
the
vehicles
models
traveled
in
the
city
to
give
us
our
city
average.
And
then
they
look
at
this
traffic
analysis
zone
to
determine.
F
G
Not
just
all
work
related
trips,
it's
like
all
the
trips
school
trips
shopping
trips
and
because
it's
really
an
infill
project,
shopping's
really
close.
The
boulevard
is
really
close.
Work
is
closed
because
there's
you
know
so
that's
it's
also
closer
to
los
angeles
than
the
west
end.
So
that's
why
it's
so
much
less.
F
I
see
so
it's
proximity
to
the
freeway
is
part
of
it
that
keeps
the
vmts
down
and
then
I'm
assuming
proximity
to
the
promenade
as
well,
where
people
can
just
walk
across
that
bridge
and
get
to
all
the
shopping
that
they
would
want.
Okay,
well,
that's
kind
of
what
we're
looking
for
all
right.
Thanks
thanks
mayor.
L
Oh,
I
I
I
is
this-
you
can't
put
it
on
this
screen.
Put
it
on
that
screen
yeah,
I'm
tired
of
looking
at
myself.
The.
K
Yes,
commission,
sorry,
yes,
councilmember
jones,
that
access
road
between
the
industrial
building
and
the
residential
on
the
far
right
hand
side
is
what
leads
to
lakeview
canyon,
road.
K
The
the
access
points
to
the
subject
site
will
remain
the
same.
The
only
thing
changing
from
right
now
is
you
have
the
internal
access
road
that
is
going
to
be
realigned
between
the
lakeview
canyon,
road
and
the
bridge,
but
there
is
perimeter
access
and
circulation
around
the
northern
portions
of
the
residential
buildings,
and
I
think
I
could
better
demonstrate
that,
with
the
project
site
plan.
K
L
K
They
would
be
parking
in
the
proposed
parking
structure
that
would
be
adjacent
to
that
industrial
office.
Building
to
the
southwest
of
that.
K
Not
not
in
this
rendering
it.
I
think
I
have
another
rendering
here
that
I
would
show
you
from
the
internal
courtyard
area
between
the
residential
buildings
here
to
the
south
of
that.
Beyond
that,
common
open
space
is
where
you
would
have
that
parking
structure
and
to
the
left
of
this.
Beyond
that,
rooftop
terrace
is
where
the
existing
industrial
office.
L
What
I'm
getting
at
is
the
internal
circulation.
Adequate,
I
mean,
is
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
cars.
Mr.
K
K
The
project
site
plan,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
you
have
two
points
of
access
that
are
existing
off
lakeview
canyon,
road,
the
internal
access
road
I
think
can
highlight
this.
The
laser
pointer
here
is
where
you
would
have
the
internal
access
road,
bisecting,
the
property,
here's
that
common
open
space
area
between
the
residential
buildings
and
the
parking
structure
in
blue.
Oh,
I
see
that's
for.
K
L
K
K
Well,
the
subject
site
would
provide,
for
you
know,
shared
access,
so
it
would
be
used
by
not
only
the
residential
component,
but
also
for
the
industrial
component
of
the
project.
L
N
Yeah
councilmember
jones
that
the
two
driveways
there's,
the
northerly
driveway,
as
you
pointed
out
in
the
southerly
driveway,
it
depends
on
which
direction
the
people
are
coming
from.
If
they're
coming
from
the
south
from
the
freeway
they'd,
probably
use
the
southerly,
driveway
and
they're
coming
from
thousands
boulevard,
they.
L
B
L
K
When
we
reviewed
the
project
initially
for
the
allocation,
we
did
look
at
surrounding
land
uses
nearby
land
uses,
including
parks
and
schools,
and
what
staff
has
verified
are
that
there
are
two
public:
elementary
schools,
west
hill
lake,
west
lake
hills,
elementary
school,
that's
1.2
miles
from
the
subject
site
and
white
oak
elementary
1.9
miles
from
the
subject
site
as
far
as
parks
go.
There
are.
K
That
is
correct,
but
as
far
as
just
surrounding
land
uses
and
what's
nearby,
staff
just
did
some
research
on
what
is
nearby
and
as
far
as
parks
go.
There
are
four
parks.
We
have
bernice
bennett
park,
which
is
one
mile
away
russell
park,
1.2
miles
from
the
subject
site.
We
do
have
west
lake
village
community
park,
which
is
1.5
miles
from
the
subject.
L
K
No,
we
don't
have
a
way
of
estimating
that
as
part
of
the
draft
ei
of
the
eir
process,
we
did
look
at
land
use
and
population
and
the
project
would
result
in
approximately
approximately
800
new
residents
for
the
site,
but
we
don't
know
if
that
would
include
what
percentage
would
be
for
children
or
for
adults.
K
J
Thank
you,
mayor
engler.
My
question
is
about
the
the
removal
of
the
trees,
oaks
and
sycamores,
I
believe
they're,
mostly
sycamores,
which
are
landmark
protected
trees.
What
are
the
chances
of
transplanting
transplanting
some
of
those
trees
rather
than
planting
them
off-site.
K
Yes,
staff
did
take
that
into
consideration
as
far
as
the
feasibility
goes
in
the
evaluation
of
the
tree
removals
and
according
to
the
project
tree
consultant
and
also
the
city's
tree
consultant,
they
concluded
that
the
survival
rate
would
be
only
50
percent
for
these
trees
that
are
transplanted.
K
K
K
J
J
N
A
N
Takes
some
time
to
get
to
its
the
height
of
the
tree,
that's
existing
or
being
removed.
Is
that
what
you're
asking.
J
N
Well,
that
really
depends
on
the
number
of
factors,
but
it'll
take.
You
know
30
40
years.
B
I
have
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
and
mine
are
also
somewhat
tree
related.
There's
a
couple
of
very
nice.
I,
like
I
refer
to
them
as
heritage
oak
trees
that
are
in
on
that
property
as
well
one
large,
I
think
it's
a
large
valley
oak
and
another
one
is
a
large.
I
believe
coastal
live
oak
are.
Are
those
oaks
going
to
be
preserved?
Are
they
part
of
the
oaks
that
are
going
to
be
removed.
N
B
No
there's
there
they're
in
the
parking
lot
area.
One
is
in
both
of
them
one's
more
and
directly
in
front
of
the
baxter
building
area,
which
I
assume
is
going
to
be
in
in
good
shape,
as
one
is
toward
the
northern
aspect
of
the
parking
lot,
though,.
B
K
There
are
various
native
trees
on
the
drainage
course
area
on
the
western
portion
of
the
property,
but
the
parking
lot
landscaping
did
include
various
trees
planted
as
a
result
of
the
baxter
way.
Industrial
building,
so
most
of
the
actual
native
trees
would
be
along
that
drainage
course
on
the
western
portion
of
the
site.
So.
K
K
Yeah,
as
far
as
the
drainage
course
goes,
and
those
trees
there's
only
encroachments
as
a
result
of
the
project
there
wouldn't
be
any
removals.
Removers
are.
The
removals
are
primarily
for
the
location
of
the
residential
and
parking
structure
buildings
within
the
existing
parking
lot,
landscaped
area.
B
Okay,
now
a
quick
question
on.
I
understand
that
there
was
some
native
american
artifacts
discovered
that
at
that
location,
when
it
was
when
it
was
first
built,
the
eir
talks
quite
a
bit
about
how
to
remediate
that.
Just
briefly
tell
me
what
the
plans
are
for
any
discoveries
there.
K
Yeah,
as
far
as
as
part
of
the
environmental
impact
report
assessment,
we
did
do
an
extended
phase.
One
study
on
the
subject:
property,
where
we
had
various.
I
think
it
was
13
or
15
borings
in
the
parking
lot
area
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
any
conclusions
identifying
any
sensitive
cultural
resources.
K
The
conclusions
were
negative.
We
did
not
find
any
significant
cultural
resource
within
those
testing
areas,
and
so
beyond
that,
we
did
implement
various
mitigation
measures
of
the
project
that
include
monitoring
for
construction
on
the
subject
property.
If
the
project
does
get
approved
tonight
and
the
applicant
gets
into
post
approval,
there
would
be
requirements.
Various
requirements
for
cultural
resources
to
provide
for
the
proper
monitoring
of
the
site.
B
Thank
you.
That's
all
my
my
questions
and
other
questions.
Colleagues,
very
good.
I
believe,
then
we
can
go
to
our
applicant
and
we
have
a
fairly
extensive
applicant
team
here
available
to
respond
any
questions.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
have
the
applicant?
Mr
dave
edie,
do
the
original
presentation.
We
do
have
15
minutes
for
your
presentation
and
you
can
divide
it
up.
However,
you
would
like
it
among
your
your
staff.
M
M
Let
me
start
with
just
basically
we're
going
to
have
a
short
presentation
tonight.
Carls
carlos
did
a
great
job
drew,
has
put
together
a
great
staff
to
address
this
issue
over
the
past
18
20
months
and
we've
had
a
great
dialogue
of
give
and
take,
and
you
know
trying
to
make
the
project
better,
and
I
think
that
the
iterative
process
we've
had
throughout
this
time
has
been
really
speaks
well
for
your
staff.
On
that.
M
The
one
thing
I
would
say,
with
respect
to
outreach
just
to
start
with
we've
basically
been
doing
this
for
two
and
a
half
years
to
massage
this
project,
both
publicly
and
privately,
to
try
to
come
to
a
point
where
we
have
a
project
that
is
integrated
and
fits
well
with
this
site,
because
there
is
an
existing
developed
building
on
the
property,
a
very
large
one,
as
you
know,
and
so
I
think
the
notion
that
we
tried
to
explain
to
the
planning
commission
was
that
this
is
really
the
right
project
at
the
right
time
and
the
right
place.
M
M
M
This
site
has
600
almost
trees,
largely
planted
when
the
prudential
building
was
built,
but
to
try
to
integrate
new
structures
within
a
parking
lot
where
you
have
a
ton
of
trees
that
were
planted
is
a
difficult
task
to
do,
and
I
think
that
our
team
had
done
has
done
a
great
job
on
that
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
do
have
62
more
trees
on
the
property
or
accounted
for.
I
granted
council
member
dela
pena
they're
they're
less
sized,
but
they
nevertheless
are
mitigation
trees
that
follow
your
ordinances.
M
M
Part
of
the
reason
we
didn't
do
that
has
to
do
with
trying
to
put
the
buildings
in
in
a
way
that
are
sensitive
to
all
of
the
other
constraints.
So,
basically,
I
think
that
that
is
tied
into
the
whole
picture
of
site
planning,
design
excellence.
I
think
the
staff
report
goes
into
that
quite
a
bit,
especially
the
planning
commission
staff
report.
M
M
Second,
it's
the
right
place.
Let's
talk
about
that
for
a
minute
we're
freeway
close
as
it
was
mentioned,
that
gives
people
the
chance
to
get
on
the
freeway
quickly
and
I
think
our
project
on
balance
is
41,
less
vmt
than
the
city
average,
so
that
I
think
quoting
the
actual
traffic
report.
What
I
liked
at
the
end
was
that
the
even
using
the
level
level
of
service
and
analyzing
intersections
these
reports
said
that
there
will
be
no
noticeable
increase
in
traffic
at
thousand
oaks
boulevard
in
lakeview
canyon,
and
yet
it's
freeway
distant.
M
The
synergy
of
uses
that
we
have
you
know
that's
been
spoken
about
in
scott,
we'll
talk
further
about
that,
having
proximity
to
work,
retail
transit,
restaurants,
trails,
it's
it's
kind
of
a
natural
here
and
what's
also
interesting,
is
first
time
in
my
life.
I
think
I've
seen
an
infield
development
of
this
magnitude
that
you're
not
contending
with
existing
residential
communities
that
you
have
to
deal
with
disruptive
issues
that
are
evident
in
any
project
in
an
infill
situation.
M
Here
we
have
the
closest
residential
community
hoa
approximately
two-thirds
of
a
mile
away,
and
so
it's
you
don't
have
those
kinds
of
adjacency
issues
to
deal
with.
M
M
You
know
we
have,
I
think,
three
percent
or
thereabouts
vacancy
rates
in
the
city
for
housing
and
we're
coming
along
at
a
time
when
businesses
are
looking
to
have
housing
opportunities
for
their
employees
within
town,
so
they
don't
have
to
go,
come
go
to
woodland
hills
or
go
elsewhere
to
work
where
they
can
actually
live
and
work
in
the
city.
M
So
I
think
this
is
why
the
planning
commission
there
were
only
four
that
night,
but
they
unanimously
approved
the
project,
recommended
approval
to
you
and
I
think
they
felt
that
that
given
and
they
talked
about
the
fact
that
it
comports
with
your
general
plan,
update
for
20,
20,
45
and
all
of
those
elements
that
were
vetted
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
we've
tried
to
adjust,
address
each
and
every
one
of
those
things
and
come
to
you
with
a
project
that
you
can
be
proud
of.
M
So
before
scott
gets
up.
I
just
want
to
ask
one
more
or
tell
you
one
more
thing
about
the
unions
and
their
letters.
They
came
in
rather
late
and
they're,
rather
voluminous
and,
quite
frankly,
we
were
a
little
surprised
at
that,
because
over
50
percent
of
our
contracted
construction
projects,
kennedy
wilson's
in
2021
globally
use
union
labor.
M
I
think
it's
to
the
tune
of
a
half
a
billion
this
year
or
last
year
at
2021
that
was
utilized
for
union
projects,
and
you
know,
there's
so
many
components
that
go
into
bidding
negotiating
and
contracting
the
construction
work.
M
We
look
at
costs.
Safety
records,
timing
to
complete
availability
of
labor
contractors,
subcontractors
distance
to
the
project,
their
references
and
many
more
things.
So,
while
we
don't
believe
in
limiting
qualified
contractors
based
on
union
or
non-union,
I
think
suffice
it
to
say
we're
very
union
friendly,
and
so
it's
getting
that
out
there
is
is
something
that
I
think
important
to
say,
because
it's
not
by
any
means
a
situation
where
you
know
we're
just
anti-union
for
whatever
reason,
because
of
costs
or
what
have
you
so
we're
getting
I'm
six
minutes
into
it,
almost
so
I'll.
M
O
O
There
we
go.
Thank
you
there
we
go.
I
did
just
want
to
underscore
a
few
key
things
that
I
think
begins
to
to
summarize
some
of
what
we've
been
talking
about,
one,
the
idea
of
a
set
of
guiding
principles
which
the
design
team
the
project
team
really
worked
from,
some
of
which
you've
heard
a
bit
about
already,
but
one
this
idea
of
integrating
seamlessly
into
the
city
fabric.
O
It
needs
to
belong
here
in
thousand
oaks,
it
needs
to
fit
within
the
vernacular
of
the
city
and
it
needs
to
be
responsible
to
the
city,
and
so
we
felt
very
strongly
about
that.
The
idea
of
synergy
of
use
is
putting
housing
where
you
have
retail,
where
you
have
shops
in
proximity
to
open
space
really
important.
It
goes
directly
to
this
question
of
reducing
trip,
counts
and,
and
the
and
the
like
and
a
higher
quality
of
life.
O
So
the
idea
of
taking
a
surface
parking
lot
and
turning
it
into
housing,
I
think
is,
is
an
important
piece.
The
city
has
a
robust
bus
system
and,
and
mr
condress
pointed
out,
the
bus
stops
that
are
nearby
a
growing
bike
infrastructure
as
well.
We
wanted
to
leverage
those
and
really
lean
on
that
to
again
reduce
car
trips
and
overall
car
dependence,
the
idea
of
preserving
and
enhancing
the
native
landscape.
O
I
won't
repeat
everything
about
the
site
plan.
Mr
contreras
did
a
great
job
couple
of
key
things
again.
Locating
these
buildings
on
an
existing
parking
lot,
translating
asphalt
into
homes
is
key.
Maintaining
the
landscape
buffer
around
the
periphery
of
the
site,
so
that,
as
mr
edie
said,
maintaining
that
buffer,
maintaining
that
landscape
edge
along
lakeview,
lakeview
canyon,
really
important
to
the
quality
of
the
project.
I
did
want
to
touch
on
the
riparian
corridor.
We
are
not.
The
curb
line
is
not
changing
at
all.
O
There
is
the
bridge,
of
course,
and
that
that
pedestrian
access
remains
very
important
to
us.
So
from
from
our
side,
making
a
connection
to
that,
and
then
the
last
thing
too
was
just
this:
the
the
careful
placement
of
the
buildings
to
really
consolidate
the
footprint
grow
the
amount
of
open
space
on
this
site,
and,
in
fact
what
we
are
achieving,
is
a
site
that
is
more
permeable
tomorrow
than
it
is
today
and
that's
very
important
to
us
and
that
open
space
and
how
we
approach
storm
water
becomes
very
important
as
well.
O
Currently
that
entire
surface
lot
ends
up
in
that
riparian
corridor.
We
will
capture
all
that
storm
water,
all
that
runoff
it'll
be
cleansed
through
landscape
by
remediation
before
it
is
eventually
discharged.
So
again,
we
are
not
only
making
it
more
permeable,
but
we're
actually
cleaning
the
water
before
it
goes
back
into
the
corridor.
O
The
subject
of
trees-
we've
talked
a
bit
about
that
already
tonight:
we're
keeping
a
very
small
footprint.
As
I
said,
the
trees
that
are
being
removed
sit
within
the
building
footprints.
They
sit
within
the
existing
surface
parking
lot.
Those
are
trees
that
were
planted
as
part
of
part
of
the
the
building
project
in
the
1980s,
as
we
mentioned,
there's
five:
six
excuse
me:
five
oaks
and
26
sycamores
for
a
total
of
31
trees
requiring
a
replacement
of
93..
O
What
we
have
done
is
located
47
of
those
on
site
from
a
horticultural
point
of
view,
we
want
to
be
responsible
and
make
sure
that
those
trees
have
the
space
they
need
to
grow,
and
that
leaves
46
that
would
be
placed
elsewhere
in
the
city,
whether
it's
the
in
luffy
or
whatever
mechanism
is
ultimately
decided.
O
We
can't
accommodate
all
those
trees
on
our
site,
but
we
feel
that
they,
it
should
be
something
that
the
rest
of
the
city
should
also
benefit
from.
So
that's
certainly
something
we're
committed
to,
and
I
think
important
to
note
that
when
we
look
at
those
replacement,
trees
that
are
being
put
on
site,
plus
the
additional
trees
and
large
shrubs
that
are
being
put
on
site
as
well,
that
the
the
time
frame
in
order
to
match
the
canopy
that's
being
lost
with
those
31
removals
is
in
the
range
of
15
years
to
match
that
canopy
size.
O
So
it's
not
30
or
40,
but
actually
a
much
more
consolidated
period
of
time.
We're
very
focused
on
getting
back
there
as
quickly
as
we
can.
Then.
Finally,
I've
got
a
minute
left
which
is
unregrettable,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
sustainability,
as
was
touched
on
before
the
residential
buildings.
Six
percent
will
be
ev
ready
on
day,
one
with
an
additional
four
percent
being
capable
for
future
ev
and
in
the
in
the
industrial
garage.
Three
percent
will
be
ready
on
day
one
with
an
additional
three
percent
sleeve
for
future
incorporation
solar.
O
We
anticipate
meeting
40
percent
of
the
demand
through
solar
on
top
of
the
residential
and,
of
course,
the
suite
of
windows
and
operable
windows,
low
e
windows,
no
fossil
fuels.
Being
used
in
the
units
as
well
we're
very
interested
in
sort
of
lowering
our
energy
footprint
as
much
as
possible,
and
then
the
last
piece
I'll
touch
on
is
water,
something
that
is
increasingly
increasingly
important.
We
know
that
multi-family
homes
use
on
average
about
a
third
less
water
than
single-family
homes
per
person.
O
O
L
O
Apologize
I
get
wordy
in
addition
to
the
the
built
fixtures,
the
idea
of
a
native
and
drought-tolerant
landscape.
Again,
I've
grown
the
landscape
as
we've
talked
about,
but
the
idea
of
using
a
native
landscape,
that'll
use
very,
very
low
water
amounts
and
and
coupling
that
with
smart
irrigation.
As
I
mentioned
the
stormwater
strategies,
as
well
so
kind
of
in
summary,
and
and
we
certainly
come
back
to
questions
afterwards,
this
is
a
project.
O
That's
been
informed
by
stakeholder
comment
and
engagement
through
the
process
where
we,
we
listened
to
folks,
to
try
to
find
out
what
mattered
and
we
think,
we've
captured
all
that
it
addresses
44,
affordable
housing
units
and
and
delivers
much
needed
housing
in
the
city
where
it
is
considered
consolidated
with
both
retail
and
and
work
and
jobs,
expanding
habitat
and
permeability,
and
increasing
biodiversity
as
a
strategy
for
resilience
for
the
city
going
forward
and
encouraging
walking
and
biking
and
healthy
living
and
less
dependency
on
the
car.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
Wonderful
presentation,
thank
you
also,
staff
appreciate
it,
mr
contreras,
mr
edie
or
baker.
This
question
is:
have
you
looked
at
grey
water
capture
and
reuse
for
some
of
the
irrigation,
for
example,
australia
has
that
as
part
of
their
new
home
development
programs,
it's
done
very
well
for
them,
taking
the
gray
water,
doing
preliminary
treatment
on
site
and
using
it
for
landscaping?
M
Actually,
we
looked
at
that
councilman
and
it's,
I
think
it
involves
double
piping
and
it
involves
placing
cisterns
underneath
the
buildings
which
are,
of
course,
have
a
one-story
underground
parking
garage
under
that
you
know.
So
from
our
viewpoint,
we
looked
at
that
and
appreciate
the
comment
because
it
is
kind
of
a
coming
wave.
Perhaps,
but
in
terms
of
just
feasibility
for
this
site,
we
felt
that
it
just
didn't
it
wasn't
that
possible,
given
the
fact
that
we're
trying
to
minimize
our
footprint
and
everywhere
we
go
on
this
site.
N
Thank
you
second
question:
westlake
hills
is
right
around
the
corner
from
there
residents
there
have
concerns
regarding
traffic
and
the
usually
between
7
30,
to
about
8
15.,
there's
some
2000
cars
that
go
into
the
high
school
there
and
then
after
school
they're
leaving.
M
My
recollection
of
the
in
reading
the
traffic
report
is
such
that
the
movements
of
the
residents
are
at
different
times
than
the
high
school
deliveries
of
people
of
students,
and
also
those
people
that
are
going
to
work
from
the
apartments
are
largely
going
to
go
down
to
the
freeway
to
the
right
off
of
lakeview
canyon,
road,
for
instance.
M
So
that's
why
I
mentioned
earlier
in
my
presentation
that
the
traffic
report
said
that
the
impact
will
not
be
noticeable.
That's
the
word
they
used.
N
Thus
because
the
apartment
residents
will
be
exiting
to
the
right
going
towards
townsgate
or
the
street,
that's
there
to
get
on
the
freeways
compared
to
going
over
to
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
Yes,.
J
Thank
you,
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
to
scott
for
clarifying
about
the
tree
canopy
and
that
your
plan
is
to
give
the
trees
enough
water,
so
they
can
be
the
representing.
What
is
there
today
in
in
15
years,
not
necessarily
30
or
40
years?
The
the
question
I
have
is,
of
course,
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
ask
the
question
for
you
to
confirm
what
the
learning
center
will
be
like.
M
J
M
I
don't
believe
we
did
directly
know
councilwoman.
I
think
that
most
of
our
outreach
was
with
the
four
closest
hoas
and
with
the
business
community
that
is
within
fairly
close
proximity
to
us,
just
basically
from
the
standpoint
of
notifying
them
of
the
potential
that
they
may
have
opportunities
here,
for
their
employees
to
have
housing
and
to
share
the
project
with
them.
But
we
did
not
reach
out.
I
don't
believe
to
any
of
those
two
organizations,
one
or
two
that
you
mentioned.
J
I
think
this
is
probably
something
that
we
might
want
to
consider
for
future
projects
that
I
commend
you
on
bringing
in
the
kaneho
climate
coalition,
but
to
also
for
future
development
projects,
not
involving
you
will.
We
will
be
reaching
out
to
the
other
organizations
as
well.
Thank
you
for
offering
very
low
income
units.
J
M
M
That
said,
the
method
in
which
the
manner
in
which
the
the
thing
is
administered
is
is
referenced
in
the
development
agreement.
There
is
a
protocol
that
is,
the
developer,
has
to
follow
and
there's
monitoring
by
the
staff
to
effectuate
a
fair
process.
I
don't
know
all
the
specifics,
but
I
remember
reading
in
the
development
agreement
that
those
safeguards
are
in
place.
B
Just
a
real
real,
quick
one
from
me,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
questions
about
the
low
and
very
low
income,
and
I
appreciate
you
offering
that
to
the
city.
That's
very,
very
good
community
benefit
the
some
of
the
other
developers
have
come
to
us
with
thoughts
that
it
would
be
a
lead
or
a
you
know,
california
green
standard,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
Where
do
you
think
this
project
will
fall.
M
I
think
we're
going
to
be
equal
to
or
exceeding
lead
requirements,
because
we
have
a
similar
system.
It's
a
it's
called
fitwell
and
fitwell.
We
feel
is
a
better
measure
of
metrics
to
do.
Sustainability
features
for
the
project
in
a
residential
setting
than
leed,
which
crosses
the
board
to
commercial,
industrial
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
that
basically,
the
point
system
that
there's
a
minimum,
there's
53
different
points
in
fitwell
that
you
have
to
meet,
and
I
think
we
far
exceed
all
of
those
with
this
project.
B
So,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
chat
that
that
goal
and
just
one
other
quick
question
on
the
landscaping.
The
we've
been
asking
everybody
to
reduce
their
watering
to
non-functional
turf.
Do
you
have
plans
for
for
turf
on
this
property.
O
There
is
one
area
that's
been
proposed
as
turf
it
is
in
the
larger
sort
of
aggregated,
open
space
that
sits
between
the
garage
and
the
residential.
The
idea
being
is
that
this
becomes
a
community
space,
a
flexible
space.
O
You
know
ideally
understanding
all
the
concerns
around
turf,
but
recognizing
it
as
a
as
one
a
material
that
keeps
the
heat
island
down,
but
is
also
very
flexible
for
gathering
and
community
events.
So
we
we
saw
the
need
to
create
a
space
for
this
community,
an
outdoor
space
for
those
types
of
events
and
activities.
So
that's,
what's
what's
been
proposed
at
this
point
in
time
to
accommodate
that
it's
modest
in
scale,
but
felt
that
it
was
important
as
a
complement
to
the
other
hardscape
areas.
M
That
area
consists
of
approximately
16
acres
of
lawn,
and
I
think
that
that
discussion
needs
to
take
place
among
ourselves,
including
the
city,
because
it's
a
iconic
window
to
the
city.
If
you
will
it's
something
that
we
represent
to
tenants
on
what
their
amenities
will
be
and
yet
we're
mindful,
of
course,
to
the
dr
the
drain
on
resources,
especially
right
now,
and
we're
giving
this
some
serious
thought.
M
It's
we've
gone
so
far
as
to
look
at
you
know,
just
basically
what
would
happen
to
the
site
that
area
should
we
just
replace
it,
and
it
probably
begs
to
have
a
a
grass,
that's
low,
low
impact
on
water,
a
more
riparian
look
to
it
that
involves
in
scott's
standing
right
here,
so
I'll.
M
But
on
to
your
point,
we
are
looking
at
that
and
it's
on
our
radar,
because
it's
just
a
a
big
issue
with
everybody.
Right
now.
L
M
Well,
it's
turning
yellow
right
now,
so
it's
getting
it's
on
its
way.
You
know.
So
it's
it's
a
concern
and
I
rest
assured
we're
looking
at
it.
B
M
H
So
if
I,
if
I
might
just
on
this
topic,
mr
eddie
knows
that
he's
he's
part
of
the
cal
water
service
area
over
there,
but
between
this
process,
all
the
teams
are
the
on
the
drought.
Task
force
are
working
with
large
tenants.
H
M
B
We
have
some
on
zoom
and
some
in
person,
so
I
will
split
it
up,
so
people
can,
if
you're
here
and
to
speak,
to
be
able
to
speak
a
little
bit
quicker.
First
off,
though
we
have
somebody
on
zoom,
kinsey,
flame,
miss
flame.
G
I
encourage
those
community
members
who
have
heard
have
questions
and
the
ones
I
hear
all
the
time
say.
I
had
no
idea
this
was
going
on
or
are
not
aware
of
the
general
plan.
I
encourage
you
to
get
involved.
I
encourage
you
to
do
your
research
to
pay
attention,
watch,
council
meetings
live
or
even
later
on
youtube.
The
city
has
made
the
information
easily
accessible
to
everyone
and
it's
our
job
to
be
engaged
informed
citizens,
as
I've
said
before,
motv
has
multiple
posts,
re
post
requests
for
rentals
and
homes
for
sale.
G
There
simply
isn't
enough
available
and
our
community
is
in
desperate
need
of
housing
with
our
biotech
industry
continuously
growing
las
vegas
becoming
a
teaching
hospital
will
have
young
professionals
moving
into
the
area
that
simply
don't
want
all
that
comes
with
owning
a
home.
It's
quite
a
bit
of
work.
The
project
will
offer
these
young
professionals
a
home
in
our
community,
with
less
upkeep
and
more
of
a
community
feel
to
repurpose
this
asphalt
site
with
housing
along
along
with
drought,
talent,
tolerant
native
landscaping,
is
a
win-win
for
our
community.
G
N
Good
evening,
council,
members
and
staff
and
to
the
applicant
team
I'm
reaching
out
to
speak
in
support
of
this
project
tonight
as
a
resident
and
a
local
architect.
I'd
like
to
complement
the
design
and
the
staff
report
and
the
development
of
a
specific
plan.
23,
which
highlights
the
city's
flexibility
in
working
with
applicants
to
provide
the
opportunity
for
the
developments
like
this
and
others
that
we've
seen
in
the
city.
Recently.
N
A
couple
of
points
as
a
as
a
proponent
of
the
project,
an
architect
look
for
projects
that
have
the
highest
and
best
use
of
our
land,
which
is
limited
supply
that
would
include
turning
parking
lots
into
housing.
As
the
applicant
team
had
indicated,
this
project
will
do.
N
So
I'm
I'm
encouraged
by
the
the
reuse,
I'll
call
it
suburban
repurposing
of
this
parking
lot
for
for
housing
and
the
affordable
housing
component
and,
in
addition,
encouraged
by
a
number
of
projects,
including
this
one,
reusing
sort
of
the
leftover
space
of
the
city,
commercial
properties,
something
I'm
studying
on
a
professional
level
and
and
appreciate
on
a
personal
level.
So
thank
you.
D
Hello,
my
name
is
clint
fultz,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks
and
a
member
of
the
canada
climate
coalition.
We're
extremely
pleased
that
the
project
at
one
baxter
way
includes
plans
to
build
all-electric
residential
units
and
is
eliminating
so-called
natural
gas
from
their
development.
Natural
gas
is
in
actuality,
a
toxic
fuel
with
the
predominant
component
being
methane
and
extremely
potent
greenhouse
gas
methane
has
a
global
heating
potential
more
than
80
times
greater
than
that
of
carbon
dioxide
during
the
first
20
years
after
it
is
released
into
the
atmosphere.
D
Leading
scientists
tell
us,
we
must
electrify
everything
in
the
coming
years
and
we
applaud
the
developer
for
choosing
electric
over
dangerous
gas
branding
appliances.
The
canadian
climate
coalition
also
commends
the
developers
on
additional
climate
and
environmentally
conscious
features
that
include
solar
power
systems,
water
conservation
measures,
native
and
drought,
tolerant
landscaping
and
easy
charging
stations
and
infrastructure.
D
We
are
pleased
to
see
that
the
buildings
will
include
solar
panels
that
will
generate
forty
percent
of
the
load
exceeding
cal
green
energy
requirements.
The
developments
cal
green
and
fit
well.
Compliance
is
highly
commendable
and
appreciated,
although
we
would
have
liked
to
see
an
increase
in
the
number
of
affordable
units.
We
commend
the
project
for
incorporating
the
aforementioned
features,
as
well
as
the
inclusion
of
34
residential
units
for
low
income
and
modern
income.
D
Households,
the
proximity
of
grocery
stores
and
a
variety
of
services
nearby,
including
metro
bus
stops,
will
help
those
with
cars
get
without
cars,
get
basic
necessities,
often
green
building,
design
features
and
affordable
units
are
presented
by
developers
as
trade-offs.
So
it
is
refreshing
to
see
a
project
that
includes
both
thousand
oaks,
has
an
affordable
housing
crisis
and
we're
in
the
support
of
the
city's
efforts
to
help
alleviate
that
problem.
D
G
Good
evening,
mayor
angler
and
council
members,
danielle
gorgia
president
ceo
of
the
greater
kenejo
valley
chamber
and
thousand
oaks
residents
speaking
tonight
from
cottage
grove,
oregon
and
hoping
my
internet
holds
up
on
behalf
of
our
board
of
directors.
I
am
speaking
tonight
in
supporters
of
the
proposed
project
that
won
baxter
way
by
kennedy.
Wilson,
our
local
employers
are
desperate
for
more
housing,
especially
options
that
appeal
to
young
professionals.
G
Last
week,
the
ventura
county
star
published
an
editorial
entitled
what
thousand
oats
learned
from
kmart
referencing
the
t.o
ranch
project
as
a
story
of
its
resurrection
and
the
plans
for
what's
to
come,
offering
a
constructive
and
encouraging
lesson
for
how
ventura
county
can
adopt
to
changing
times,
growth
and
prosper,
without
surrendering
the
desire
of
its
residents
to
preserve
open
space
and
retain
the
quality
of
life.
That
truly
sets
this
county
apart.
G
264
units
no
density
bonus,
green
initiatives,
minimal
visual
impact,
34,
affordable
units,
meaningful
housing
for
our
community,
the
vc
star
editorial
went
on
to
say
that
local
elected
officials
and
city
planners
across
the
county
should
look
for
opportunities
where
mixed-use
projects
similar
to
teo
ranch
could
be
accommodated.
This
is
one
of
those
opportunities.
Please
continue
this
smart
approach
to
housing
and
approve
gateway
at
the
oaks.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
ms
borgia,
we'll
switch
to
people
in-house
right
now.
So,
let's,
let's
hear
from
our
first
in-house
speaker,
suzanne
schmitz.
E
E
I've
lived
in
thousand
oaks
59
years,
maybe
more
than
some
of
you
here.
I
want
to
talk
about.
One
thing
today
are
oak
trees
protected
in
thousand
oaks?
Many
residents
think
they
are.
They
don't
come
to
these
council
meetings.
They
don't
see
the
requests.
This
is
a
very
subjective
question.
Unfortunately,
I've
seen
the
protection
of
oak
trees
decline
over
the
decades.
E
E
E
Oak
trees
have
no
voice.
These
centurions
have
survived
decades
of
drought,
floods,
fires
and
even
disease,
I'm
sorry
arbors,
and
yet
they
cannot
survive
the
modern
day
developers.
The
baxter
project
behind
the
westlake
promenade
is
now
requesting
permission
from
our
planning
commission
to
remove
protected
oaks
with
replacement
trees.
E
E
I
support
responsible
developments
like
lake
sherwood
who
hired
private
companies
like
valley,
crest,
tree
company,
who
boxed
replanted,
built
streets
and
houses
around
the
oaks
to
save
the
trees.
We
have
responsible
plant
development,
but
we
must
save
our
oaks.
I'm
asking
you
today
to
prevent
the
removal
of
the
five
protected
oaks
and
reduce
the
baxter
project.
E
The
families
and
residents
of
thousand
oaks
deserve
better
than
this.
Please
continue
to
uphold
the
oak
tree
protection
status
and
never
forget
what
your
predecessors
fought
for.
After
all,
this
is
literally
the
name
of
our
city,
not
new
park
beach,
not
beverly
hills
but
thousand
oaks.
Lastly,
this
morning,
can
I
ask
one
more.
Lastly,.
E
They
I
asked
them,
can't
see
it
there.
We
go
okay,
so
at
the
summer
camp
I
came
as
a
speaker,
and
I
asked
the
children
what
they
thought
about
our
oak
trees
here
are
the
drawings
that
I
want
to
give
you
42
drawings.
The
last
thing
they
asked
me
as
I
was
leaving
was:
can
you
let
us
know
if
they
did
the
right
thing?
D
Good
evening,
mayor
engler,
council,
members
and
staff,
my
name
is
tim
mcdougall,
I'm
a
22-year
resident
of
newberry
park
tonight,
I'm
speaking
as
a
private
citizen
to
encourage
you
to
approve
the
housing
opportunity
before
you
this
evening.
After.
D
D
Good
evening,
mayor
angler
honorable
city
council,
my
name
is
sean
moradian,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident,
a
thousand
oaks
here,
just
to
reiterate
my
comments
from
the
imt
project,
which
is
one
of
gratitude
and
acknowledgement
for
our
the
applicant,
our
city
staff
and
all
of
you
for
making
projects
like
this
possible.
D
The
community
at
large
doesn't
understand
the
persistence,
the
patience
and
the
the
sheer
amount
of
time
it
takes
to
bring
a
project
like
this
forward
or
like
imt.
This
project,
I
believe,
has
been
in
the
concept
phase
for
nearly
eight
years
before
it
got
to
this
point,
imt
was
18
years.
I
mean
these
are
generations
that
go
by
that
are
missing
out
on
these
opportunities.
D
We
needed
these
units
long
ago
and
we
still
need
these
units
today,
but
I
leave
you
with
some
optimism
and
gratitude
and
my
closing
remarks
and
support
of
this
project
and
all
the
great
work
that
our
community
is
doing
and
witnessing
the
support
from
the
broader
range
of
the
community,
and
that
is
that
tonight
we
can
celebrate
what
it
looks
like
and
feels
like
when
everyone
wins.
I
hope
you
can
use
this
project
in
imt
for
everything
else
we
do
as
a
community.
D
G
The
permanent
bike
storage,
I'm
a
bike
guys
you
guys
can
probably
tell
behind
me-
is
amazing.
The
e-bike
charging
in
this
area
is
also
super
important,
because
e-bikes
are
heavy
and
they're
hard
to
get
up
into
your
apartment
to
charge,
so
that
room
is
is
incredibly
helpful
for
changing
how
we
get
around
our
city.
G
P
Good
evening,
thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
city
council,
public
that
are
present
for
this
and
to
the
all
the
people
involved
in
the
project.
My
name
is
jackson
piper.
I
live
in
an
incorporated
newbury
park
and
I'm
here
to
support
this
project
because
I
think
it
is
going
to
provide
some
very
good
benefits
to
this
city.
P
First
off
I
will
say,
I
think
it's
an
excellent
location.
It
is
reusing,
a
area,
that's
currently
just
a
field
of
parking
and
allowing
residences
to
be
built
on
that
site.
I
do
wish
that
there
was
more
affordable
housing
included.
However,
I
think
the
benefit
of
having
264
units
of
housing
on
that
site
within
easy
walking
distance
of
the
the
promenade
mall,
which
will
contain
a
market,
contains
a
movie.
Theater
contains
shops,
restaurants.
P
It
will
be
valuable
to
the
residents
there
because
then
they
can
just
easily
walk
next
door
to
fulfill
a
lot
of
their
needs
instead
of
having
to
drive
somewhere.
It's
also
sharing
the
same
site
as
the
large
industrial
building
that
was
known
as
the
baxter
building,
and
hopefully,
a
lot
of
the
people
that
are
employed
in
businesses.
In
that
building
will
be
able
to
live
on
the
site
as
well
and
be
able
to
simply
walk
to
work
instead
of
having
to
drive.
P
I
think
that,
well,
this
project
is
not
perfect.
No
project
is
going
to
be
perfect.
This
provides
a
huge
amount
of
benefits
to
the
community.
I
appreciate
all
of
the
climate
measures
that
they've
taken.
I
appreciate
that
they're
going
to
try
and
retain
water
on
site
and
filter
it
and
put
it
in
the
ground.
P
And
I
think
that
the
benefits
of
something
like
this
far
outweigh
any
perceived
or
real
consequences
of
allowing
it
to
go
forward.
So
please
support
this
project
and
please
please
continue
to
push
for
thousand
oaks
to
have
more
developments
that
include
affordable
housing,
climate
measures
and
more
more
use
of
transit,
walking
and
biking
instead
of
just
single
occupancy
vehicles.
Thank
you.
D
D
I've
been
a
union
carpenter
for
since
2001
and
although
I
appreciate
the
comment
about
union
or
non-union,
this
isn't
really
about
union
or
non-union
I'll
just
say.
As
a
union
carpenter,
I've
been
able
to
purchase
a
home
in
the
newbury
park,
oak
ridge
estates
area.
What
it
has
provided
me
was
a
good
paying
job
with
benefits
and
the
means
to
support
my
family
very
well.
D
So,
with
these
projects
that
the
council
city
council
is
approving
in
the
future
here,
and
especially
this
one,
it
is
very
important
that
we
put
in
the
you
know,
contract
or
paperwork,
that
it
is
required
to
use
skilled
and
trained
workforce
and
local
hire
a
lot
of
the
construction
that
goes
on
around
here.
The
the
construction
workers
that
are
non-union
get
paid,
20
bucks
an
hour
with
no
you,
no
no
benefits
or
insurance
for
their
kids
teeth
or
anything
like
that.
D
So,
like
the
gentleman
said,
they
do
work
with
union
contractors
or
develop
our
companies.
It's
important
that
we
allow
our
community
members
to
have
a
good
paying
job
where
they
can
still
afford
to
live
in
these
newly
built
developments
and
live
in
the
community
and
purchase
these
homes
or
rent
these
homes
and
continue
to
contribute
to
the
local
economy,
not
only
by
purchasing
or
renting,
but
by
continually
living
here
and
doing
our
part
to
keep
thousand
oaks
beautiful
and
livable.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
Next
up
online
next
up
online,
we
have
manly
miknik.
O
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight.
My
name
is
mainly
mcniche,
I'm
a
representative
with
southwest
carpenters
union
and
I'm
also
a
local
representative
serving
and
working
in
the
thousand
oaks
area
and
some
some
of
the
concerns
we
have
been
sounds
like
they're
being
addressed
with
by
the
developer,
because
when
they
work
with
the
unions,
they're
satisfying
a
lot
of
the.
O
What
we're
asking
for
is
in
the
skilled
and
trained
local
hire,
because
that's
what
a
union
worker
will
be
in
that
area.
But
we
also
need
to
pay
attention
to
one
of
the
very
first
parts
of
the
discussion.
I
was
hearing
that
there
it.
There
was
two
schools
that
were
called
out
to
service
the
area,
but
only
one
of
them
can
actually
be
used.
O
Is
there
plans
to
build
any
new
schools
in
that
area?
Were
studies
done
on
that
because
we
don't
have
a
place
for
the
kids
to
go
to
school,
it's
going
to
put
an
overburden
on
the
school
system
and
that
gets
into
the
environmental
impacts
and,
like
my
fellow
union,
carpenters
stated
a
minute
ago,
as
far
as
the
developers
go,
my
hats
off
to
them.
If
that's
they're
going
to
in
fact
use
union
work
workers
on
these
projects
and
if
they
would
like
to
talk,
my
phone
number
is
805-220-0014.
O
B
B
G
G
G
G
The
tutoring
center
will
be
a
complimentary
service
for
those
living
in
the
apartments
which
make
this
new
development
highly
desirable
and
very
inspiring.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
councilman
kevin
mcnamee
for
putting
this
idea
out
there
in
the
first
place.
So
thank
you
councilman.
We
appreciate
it
also
thank
you
to
kennedy
wilson
for
implementing
the
tutoring
center
into
the
plans
and
meeting
our
local
needs.
G
G
P
P
This
project
was
endorsed
by
the
board
of
directors
of
the
chamber
and
we
have
submitted
a
letter
of
support
in
your
written
packet.
In
addition,
we
submitted
more
than
a
dozen
letters
of
support
from
major
employers
in
thousand
oaks.
Businesses,
submitting
letters
of
support
include
amgen,
takeda,
atara,
bio,
therapeutics,
capsida,
bio,
therapeutics,
westlake,
village,
bio
partners,
fujifilm
los
robles
health
system,
mesa
rich,
who
operates
the
oaks
mall
premier,
america,
credit
union,
hyatt,
regency,
west
lake,
bioscience
alliance
and
newmark
merrill
operator
of
the
jazz
marketplace,
among
others.
P
P
Additionally,
we're
specifically
supporting
the
gateway
at
the
oaks
project,
because
kennedy
wilson
made
extensive
efforts
to
make
this
a
project
that
our
community
supports.
They
are
proposing
all
electric
buildings,
building
a
parking
structure
to
accommodate
the
parking
requirements
and
plumbing
for
and
adding
ev
charging
stations.
But
I
ask
you
not
to
take
our
word
for
it.
Here
are
a
few
comments
from
major
thousand
oaks
employers
in
their
own
words
from
amgen.
P
A
vital
factor
in
deciding
where
to
locate
offices
is
the
availability
of
a
wide
variety
of
housing,
entertainment
and
recreation
options
for
our
employees.
Atara,
bio
therapeutics.
The
city
cannot
prioritize
the
growth
of
the
biotech
sector
without
addressing
the
significant
housing
shortage
for
our
local
workforce.
P
Many
of
the
employees
we
recruit
are
coming
from
or
have
competing
employment
opportunities
in
major
markets.
Those
cities
have
modern
housing
options
that
are
walkable
to
local
businesses
with
on-site
amenities,
something
that
is
very
hard
to
find
in
thousand
oaks
and
finally,
los
robles
health
system.
The
thoughtful
design,
numerous
green
initiatives
and
inclusive
34,
affordable
housing
units
in
the
mix
of
the
overall
264
proposed
apartments
is
exactly
what
our
community
needs
to
bridge
the
way
to
lasting
residency
and
a
platform
for
housing.
Upward
mobility.
G
Hi
good
evening,
I'm
actually
not
in-house,
should
I
still
go
ahead
and
give
my
comment.
I'm.
G
G
Our
review
of
the
environmental
impact
report
for
this
project
resulted
in
us
concluding
that
a
revised
eir
is
necessary
in
order
to
adequately
analyze
the
project's
potential
environmental
impacts
and
to
impose
all
feasible
mitigation
measures.
This
is
primarily
based
on
two
main
issue:
areas
which
are
biological
resources
and
air
quality
expert
wildlife.
Ecologist
dr
sean
smallwood
reviewed
the
eir's
biological
resources
analysis
and
concluded
that
the
survey
conducted
for
wildlife
on
site
was
inadequate
to
form
a
complete
baseline.
G
Additionally
expert
biologist,
noriko
smallwood
visited
the
site
and
identified
22
species
of
vertebrate
wildlife,
five
of
which
were
special
status
species.
Dr
smallwood
also
identified
several
other
potential
impacts
which
were
not
addressed
in
the
eir,
including
impacts
on
breeding
capacity,
wildlife,
movement,
traffic
mortality,
bird
window
collision,
mortality
deaths
and
toxins.
From
the
introduction
introduction
of
house
cats
and
cumulative
impacts,
he
recommended
several
mitigation
measures
which
could
help
remedy
these
impacts
and
which
the
city
should
consider
in
a
revised
eir.
G
Flap
also
found
that
the
eir's
greenhouse
gas
emissions
assessment
failed
to
consider
performance-based
standards
under
the
california
air
resources
board,
scoping
plan
and
the
southern
california
association
of
government's
regional
transportation
plan
and
sustainable
communities.
Strategy
swape
recommended
that
the
greenhouse
gas
analysis
be
updated
to
correct
these
errors
and
mitigate
any
potential
impacts.
G
B
Thank
you,
miss
fuentes
fuentes.
We
are
still
going
to
try
to
get
mr
ventura
on
board
here.
Mr
ventura,
are
you
able
to
join
us.
D
Good
evening,
honorable
mayor
and
city
council
members,
my
name
is
anthony
ventura,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
southwest
regional
council
of
carpenters,
local
805.
I
live
in
the
local
area
and
work
in
the
vicinity
of
this
project.
I
am
a
resident
of
ventura
and
I
have
been
a
resident
of
ventura
county
for
about
28
years,
I'm
also
a
representative
of
local
805,
with
close
to
2
000
members
that
live
also
in
the
vicinity.
D
Other
cities
have
not
hesitated
to
apply
skilled
and
trained
workforce
requirements
for
private
developments
and
projects
in
their
city.
Personally,
myself,
I've
worked
out
at
amgen
for
about
10
years
out
of
my
30
plus
years
that
I
have
in
the
trade
it's
time
that
we
take
care
of
our
local
residents
by
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
work
close
to
home.
So
they
can
be
able
to
go
to
that
soccer.
D
Over
140
000
vehicles
travel
through
the
101
118
and
the
23
freeways
daily
by
having
local
residents
working
on
projects
like
this
and
not
stuck
in
their
vehicles
sitting
in
a
parking
lot
idling
on
the
101
down
south.
This
will
reduce
gas
emissions
and
posit
positively
effective
returns
on
climate
mitigation
efforts.
Thank
you
and
have
a
good
evening.
K
K
The
affordable
units
are
16
or
16
in
the
very
in
the
low
income
category
and
18
in
the
very
low
income
category
so
like
to
mention
that,
and
then
there
was
another
comment
provided
regarding
impacts
on
schools.
K
N
N
There
were
borings,
there's
ultrasounds,
there's
evaluation
in
the
tree
health
canopy,
and
it
was
determined
that
those
trees
were
not
safe
and
they
did
have
targets
in
the
form
of
life
and
property
so
that
those
trees
were
removed.
When
they
were
removed,
they
was
the
trees
were
actually
hollow,
so
they
were
very
precarious
and
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
There
is
an
oak
tree
ordinance
in
place.
As
everyone
is
aware,
it's
been
in
place
since
1970,
it's
been
modified
over
time
to
address
certain
items.
N
Oak
trees
can
be
removed
when
there's
a
benefit
to
a
project
for
a
project
to
have
them
removed
and
built.
In
this
case,
we
are
getting
mitigation
and,
as
carlos
mentioned,
we'll
be
getting
93
mitigation
trees
thanks.
Thank
you.
D
Q
And
then,
if
I
could
add
a
couple
of
comments
as
well
before,
we
turn
it
over
to
our
environmental
consultant
esa.
Once
again,
both
labor
groups
waited
until
the
11th
hour
to
submit
more
than
400
pages
of
comments
on
the
project.
Eir
again,
as
a
reminder,
the
notice
of
availability
was
released
on
april
15th,
with
a
45-day
public
comment
period
from
april
15th
to
may
31st,
with
a
planning
commission
meeting
on
june
13th
and
and
then
tonight's
meeting
on
june
28th.
Q
Staff
in
the
ir
consultant
esa
have
done
a
cursory
review
of
the
letters,
and
we
do
conclude
that
nothing
raised
impacts
the
validity
of
the
eir
or
prevents
final
consideration
of
the
project.
Tonight.
However,
just
as
we
did
the
last
time,
esa
will
read
into
the
record
responses
to
those
comment.
Letters
and
finally,
just
as
I
said
at
the
last
meeting
when
they
did
this
I'll
remind
the
council
that
you
can
give
whatever
weight
or
credibility
you
deem
appropriate.
K
R
Good
evening,
I'm
michael
houlihan
with
environmental
science
associates
irvine.
California,
we
received
two
letters
today
dated
today,
one
from
mitchell's
psy
representing
the
southwest
carpenters
union.
The
other
was
lasso
drury
representing
the
supporters
alliance
for
environmental
responsibility
and
that's
safer.
R
R
R
I'm
sorry
of
the
final
supplemental
letter,
I'm
sorry
that
was
prepared
june
23rd
that
you
have
in
your
packet
section
1a
of
their
comment
letter
reiterates
the
comments
provided
in
comment.
A1
in
the
final
supplemental
letter
response
prepared
june
23rd,
2022
section
1b
provides
a
discussion
on
recirculation
requirements,
but
does
not
identify
any
new,
significant
information
added
as
part
of
the
final
response
to
comments
or
the
final
supplement
response
to
comment
letter
in
section
1c,
it
talks
about
impacts
of
covet
19
on
construction
workers.
R
Here
the
kobit
19
pandemic
is
an
ongoing
pandemic,
a
global
scale.
Its
existence
is
not
an
impact
of
the
project,
nor
are
the
health
risks
associated
with
it.
Nor
does
the
comment
commenter
suggest
in
any
way
which
the
project
might
exacerbate.
The
coba
19
pandemic
as
such,
the
alleged
effects
are
not
impacts
under
sequa.
R
In
section
1d
of
their
letter,
the
carpenters
union
argued
that
feasible
mitigation
has
not
been
incorporated
into
the
draft
eir
vir
is
re
is
required
to
adopt
all
feasible
measures
for
impacts
found
to
be
significant
here.
The
draft
dir
found
all
the
impacts
of
the
project
to
be
less
than
significant
or
less
insignificant
after
mitigation
as
such,
the
sequa
does
not
require
any
additional
mitigation
beyond.
R
That
was
that
which
was
incorporated
in
the
introduction
to
section
e
general
comments
provided,
reiterate
comments
b1
through
b4
of
the
final
supplemental
response
letter
dated
june
23rd
22,
which
you
have
in
your
packet
greenhouse
gas
analysis.
In
section
1e1
of
their
letter,
the
carpenter's
union
argued
that
the
draft
eir
failed
to
evaluate
consistency
with
the
2020
r-tip
scs
prepared
by
skag.
R
First,
we
note
that
the
carpenter
union
cited
to
a
page
of
the
draft
pir
which
does
not
exist.
Apparently,
this
comment
has
been
copied
and
pasted
from
this
comment,
including
the
citation
in
the
section
from
their
comment
on
a
prior
project
here.
The
draft
dir
concludes
consistency
with
skaggs
2016-2040
statewide
plans
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
does
not
identify
consistency
with
a
20,
20,
20,
20
or
20
45
plan.
That's
what
they
assert
regardless
here.
The
eir
did
undertake
the
analysis,
as
provided
in
the
draft
eir
pages
3.7
36-39.
R
The
carpenters
union
also
argued
in
this
section
that
the
draft
er
does
not
consider
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
sources
outside
of
the
focus
area.
Sql
requires
an
evaluation
of
impacts
of
a
proposed
project
to
the
extent
the
carpenter's
union
suggests
that
the
impacts,
not
a
part
of
this
project
should
have
been
evaluated.
R
That
is
beyond
the
scope
of
what
sql
requires,
to
the
extent
that
the
union
argues
that
cumulative
impacts
are
unexamined.
That
would
not
be
true.
I
see
the
drop
tir
pages
3.7
39
through
40..
Further
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
analysis
are
inherently
cumulative
in
nature,
as
no
individual
project
greenhouse
gas
emissions
will
themselves
individually
cause
noticeable
climate
changes.
R
R
R
In
section
1e3
of
their
letter,
the
union
argues
that
a
housing
impact
analysis
is
required
due
to
the
addition
of
residential
units,
to
the
extent
that
the
union
argues
that
additional
residents
may
cause
subsidiary
physical
changes
and
impacts.
The
eir
evaluates
these
throughout,
including
in
its
analysis
of
potential
impacts
related
to
public
services,
transportation
and
utilities,
as
provided
in
chapters
3.13,
14
and
16
of
the
drafty
ir.
R
R
R
However,
transportation
congestion
is
not
an
impact
under
sequa
any
longer.
A
project's
effect
on
automobile
delay
should
not
constitute
a
significant
environmental
impact
in
accordance
with
sql
guidelines.
1506
4.3,
a
as
such
the
alleged
increased
congestion,
is
not
an
impact
recognized
under
sequel.
R
The
transportation
analysis
provided
in
3.14
of
the
draft
tir
adequately
addresses
the
potential
transportation
impacts
associated
with
the
project.
The
evaluation
includes
a
traffic
impact
study,
a
vehicle
miles,
traveled
analysis
and
a
policy
consistency
analysis
next
under
noise
in
section
g
of
their
of
their
letter,
argues
that
the
eir
does
not
adequately
evaluate
noise
because
it
does
not
provide
an
analysis
of
noise
levels
at
four
specific,
sensitive
receptors.
R
R
R
R
R
R
I
wildfire
the
union
argues
that
the
project
construction
will
increase
congestion,
increasing
fire
danger,
as
noted
previously,
congestion
is
not
an
impact
under
sequa.
That
mandate
cannot
be
avoided
by
phrasing
it
as
being
relative
to
wildfire
safety.
Nonetheless,
the
eir
expressly
evaluates
this
and
finds
the
impact
to
be
less
insignificant,
as
identified
on
3.17-16-19.
R
Next
item
impacts
to
trees.
In
section
1.1
of
their
letter,
the
union
argues
that
there
is
no
analysis
of
whether
tree
mitigation
will
be
effective.
Here.
The
eir
contains
extensive
requirements
in
its
mitigation
measures
to
ensure
that
the
replacement
trees
are
protected
and
survive
in
the
mitigation
measures,
bio
1,
505
and
bio
6
as
providing
the
drafty
ir
on
pages
3.3
13
through
14,
as
well
as
3.3
dash
18
through
19.
R
R
R
R
Comment
letter
was
received
both
of
them
were
received
today.
As
I
mentioned
section,
one
of
the
letter
addresses
the
legal
background
of
cqa,
which
reiterates
the
comments
provided
in
comment.
A
one
of
the
final
supplemental
letter
dated
june
23rd
comment
alleges
that
and
then
the
next
item
was
related
to
biological
resources.
R
The
comment
alleges
that
the
biological
survey
conducted
by
the
project's
biologist
for
the
for
the
project
was
too
cursory
to
reflect
a
true
inventory
of
the
wildlife
species
that
occur
at
the
site
and
that
the
report
failed
to
analyze
the
time
of
day.
The
survey
started
how
long
the
survey
lasted
and
the
weather
conditions
the
commenter
mischaracterizes.
R
The
draft
e-I-r
describes
the
physical
setting
extensively
of
this
highly
urbanized
area
so
as
to
provide
the
public
an
understanding
of
the
project
and
potential
impacts
of
the
project
on
the
biological
resources
found
on
site.
The
analysis
is
based
on
more
than
the
general
biological
site
visit,
which
was
conducted
to
verify
site
conditions
at
the
time.
R
The
analysis
was
based
on
research
of
multiple
databases,
as
reported
in
the
drafty
ir
and
a
site
visit
methods
used
in
evaluating
the
project,
included
a
review
of
project
plans,
a
literature,
review
of
biological
resources
occurring
on
the
project
site
and
surrounding
vicinity,
a
jurisdictional
delineation
and
a
general
biological
survey,
including
vegetation
mapping
and
a
general
habitat
field.
Surveys
were
conducted
to
document
the
existing
conditions
of
the
project
area.
R
During
times
of
day
generally
starting
in
the
morning
and
during
weather
conditions
suitable
for
biological
surveys,
biologists
surveyed
the
entire
project
site
on
foot
with
the
aid
of
binoculars
photographs
of
the
project
site
were
taken
with
selected
photographs
of
the
site
included
in
our
appendix
d1
of
the
drafty
ir
plant
and
animal
species
observed
or
otherwise
detected
were
recorded
in
field.
Notebooks.
R
R
R
As
a
result,
these
two
sites
are
not
generally
reliable
and
are
thus
not
utilized
as
references
or
understanding
current
site
conditions,
though
not
referenced
in
the
report,
ebird
was
reviewed
to
understand
if
any
specific
verifiable
occurrences
were
located
on
or
immediately
adjacent
to
the
project
site.
The
list
of
birds
noted
in
the
comment
letter
do
not
represent
birds
currently
provide
that
currently
are
provided
state
or
federal
protections.
R
R
R
In
their
section
of
the
letter
section
2
three,
the
comment
asserts
that
the
project
would
interfere
with
wildlife
movement.
Here.
The
analysis
determined
that
the
project
is
not
within
the
drafty
ir
is
not
within
a
wildlife
corridor
is
supported
by
substantial
evidence
using
both
a
site
visit
and
desktop
analysis
of
the
resource
contained
in
the
project
area
and
the
surrounding
areas.
The
drafty
ir
analysis
determined
that
the
area
does
not
contain
a
significant
wildlife
corridor.
R
R
The
nearest
wildlife
moving
corridor
identified
by
the
lynx
project
is
a
santa
monica
sierra
madre
connection
located
approximately
five
miles
to
the
east.
The
project
site
does
not
directly
connect
two
or
more
large
blocks
of
habitat
and
is
surrounded
by
development,
including
roads,
highways
residences
and
business
parks.
R
Their
comment
section
2a4
the
commenter
alleges
that
the
eir
fails
to
analyze
the
project's
impact
on
wildlife
from
additional
traffic
generated
by
the
project.
This
is
a
highly
urbanized
area
with
thousands
of
daily
vehicular
trips.
R
Nevertheless,
the
commenter
does
not
raise
concerns
with
the
extensive
existing
urbanized
development
and
existing
potential
roadkill
risk,
but
raises
concerns
about
roadkill
being
increased
by
the
project
due
to
vehicle
miles
traveled
estimated
for
build
out
of
the
focus
plan
area.
Since
the
project
is
not
growth
inducing
the
vmt
would
consist
of
traffic
already
present
in
the
region.
That
is
redirected
and,
as
demonstrated
in
the
draft
dir
project
is
estimated
to
have
a
per
capita
vmt
of
8.99,
which
is
substantially
low
below
the
regional
average.
R
There's
no
evidence
that
the
increased
traffic
in
the
already
urbanized
project
area
will
result
in
a
significant
increase
in
wildlife
roadkill,
because
the
area
is
developed
and
not
pristine
wildlife
habitat
and
does
not
support
high
quality
habitat
for
special
status
species
or
significant
wildlife
corridors
or
significant
nursery
sites.
The
likelihood
of
roadkill
of
wildlife,
including
special
status
species,
is
low.
It
is
not
expected
that
the
project
will
result
in
a
significant
impact
related
to
roadkill,
there's
section
2a5
of
their
letter.
R
The
commenter
alleges
that
the
eir
fails
to
account
for
the
increased
possibility
of
bird
window
collision
mortality
that
will
be
caused
by
the
project
as
explaining
the
draft
eir,
the
project
area
and
its
surroundings
are
urbanized
and
does
not
provide
habitat
that
can
sustain
special
status.
Species.
R
Urban
adapted
and
common
birds
are
the
most
likely
species
to
collide
with
windows.
Moreover,
as
reported
in
the
san
francisco
standards
for
bird
safety,
bird
buildings
and
other
documents,
the
typical
bird
strike
zone
is
from
grade
from
the
grade
to
60
feet.
The
primary
concern
is
with
any
uninterrupted
glazing
of
24
feet
or
larger
in
size.
R
The
likelihood
of
strike
depends
on
the
glazing
news.
These
are
windows,
the
angle
of
the
glass,
the
orientation
of
the
building
and
landscaping
in
the
urban
setting
birds
spend
the
majority
of
the
time
in
landscape
vegetation
in
the
bird
strike
zone,
where
the
vegetation
may
be
reflected
in
glass,
making
the
glass
look
like
vegetation
and
undetectable
to
the
bird,
as
shown
in
the
draft
dir
the
proposed.
R
R
R
Further,
although
the
project
may
increase
the
number
of
cats
living
on
the
project
site
as
residents
move
within
move
there
with
their
cats
or
their
pet
cats,
it
is
not
reasonably
foreseeable
that
the
project's
residents
would
keep
their
cats
outside.
Rather,
apartments
residents
would
be
expected
to
keep
all
pets,
including
cats
inside
the
residence.
R
Rather,
each
impact
analysis
contains
an
independent
cumulative
analysis,
for
instance
with
respect
to
potential
impacts
to
special
status
species
habitat
the
eir
finds
that
implementation
of
the
cumulative
project
development
in
the
vicinity
of
the
project
could
impact
plant
and
wildlife
species,
but
the
majority
of
the
nearby
project
sites
are
in
urbanized
areas
that
are
not
conducive
to
the
support
to
support
the
plant
and
wildlife
special
status
species
and
therefore
the
cumulative
impact
is
less
than
significant.
As
identified
in
the
draft
eir
page
3.3-11.
R
For
the
same
reason,
the
the
next
portion
of
their
comment
was
referencing.
R
Dr
smallwood's
information,
dr
smallwood,
was
incorrect
that
the
eir
only
considers
an
impact
to
be
cumulatively
considerable,
when
not
fully
mitigated,
as
discussed
above,
the
eir
appropriately
undertakes
an
evaluation
of
the
cumulative
impact
for
each
impact,
evaluated
independent
of
the
project
level,
impact
analysis
and
that's
done
throughout
the
eir
section
2a8.
L
R
Commenters
suggest
adding
additional
mitigation
measures
above
and
beyond
what
was
required
in
the
drafty
ir
here.
The
draft
pir
found
all
biological
impacts
of
the
project
to
be
less
than
significant
or
less
insignificant,
with
mitigation
recommended
and
imposed
as
such
sequa
does
not
require
additional
mitigation
to
be
incorporated
more
of
a
summary
of
the
biological
comments
and
responses.
In
summary,
the
additional
items
noted
in
the
comments
are
not
items
typically
analyzed
in
standard
biological,
technical
studies
and
don't
represent
standard
data
collected
on
project
sites.
R
The
urban
interface
issues
relative
to
cat
predation
are
typically
considered
significant
when
a
project
site
occurs
adjacent
to
conservation
areas
known
to
be
suitable
habitat
and
conservation
value.
In
these
cases,
it
is
recommended
that
potential
cat
population
introduced
by
proposed
new
housing
are
controlled
with
project
design
features
such
as
fencing
or
homeowner
pet
restrictions.
R
The
commenter
asserts
that
the
project
failed
to
connect
the
toxic
air
contaminant
emissions
to
potential
health
risk
to
nearby
receptors
and
failed
to
meet
the
sql
requirement.
The
commenter
states
that
the
oea,
which
is
a
document
by
the
state,
recommends
that
all
short-term
projects
lasting
at
least
two
months
assess
cancer
risk
for
a
30-year
residential
exposure
duration.
R
R
R
R
R
As
a
result,
toxic
or
carcinogenic
air
pollutants
are
not
expected
to
occur
in
any
substantial
amounts
in
conjunction
with
the
operation
of
the
project
proposed
land
use
within
and
on
the
project
site.
Therefore,
a
qualitative
operational
hra
that
was
provided
in
the
draft
eir
is
adequate.
No
additional
analysis
is
required.
R
Next
item
section
two
point
b:
point
two
last
one
section,
two
point
b,
dash
two
of
drury's
letter,
which
is
the
safer
he
represents
safer,
asserts
that
the
eir
failed
to
adequately
analyze
the
project's
greenhouse
gas
impacts.
R
The
commenter
states
that
there
are
two
inadequacies,
namely
the
eir,
allegedly
failed
to
consider
the
performance-based
standards
under
carbs
scoping
plan
and
r
tip
scs
safer's
letter
attached
a
document
from
swape
which
expands
somewhat
on
safer's
comments.
First
swape
alleges
that
the
eir
failed
to
consider
vmt
benchmarks
in
carb's
plan.
This
allegation
is
inaccurate.
R
Swapes
suggests,
based
in
based
in
swapes
methodology
that
carbs
scoping
plan
has
a
target
in
ventura
county
of
21.59
vehicle
miles,
traveled
per
capita
in
the
year
2030..
R
R
R
Those
were
the
summary
of
the
comments
and
the
responses,
and
I
know
that
we
had
heard
from
amelia
fuentes,
who
actually
was
providing
a
a
summary
of
these
same
comments
in
her
oral
comments
tonight.
So
it
basically
covers
her
comments
too.
B
Thank
you
for
the
the
staff
response
and
thank
you
for
the
reminder
why
I
didn't
choose
attorney
as
a
career
or
so.
M
Thank
you,
mayor
I'll,
be
very
brief.
First
of
all,
I
think
I'd
like
to
give
a
shout
out
to
mr
julian.
He
was
very
thorough
and
addressed
this
late
submission
of
letters
today
that,
in
a
way
in
which
he's
done
the
whole
eir,
the
four
thousand
page
eir,
which
I'm
sure
the
staff
and
we
as
a
developer,
appreciate
the
thoroughness,
because
it's
a
very
important
document
to
make
sure
all
bases
are
covered
with
respect
to
providing
information,
which
is,
after
all,
what
it
is
an
information
document.
M
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
just
about
the
oaks
it's
classic
competing
interests.
Here
we
carlos
mentioned
that
we're
taking
about
two
percent
of
the
regulated
trees,
but
out
of
the
600
that
exist,
even
some
of
the
unregulated
were
less
than
one
percent,
and
I
think
that
going
back
to
our
site
planning
analysis
of
what
we've
done
here
has
been.
M
You
know
focused
on
that
from
day
one,
so
I
don't
think
we
can
do
any
better
than
that
and
still
get
a
yield.
That
is
reasonable,
and
that
really
speaks
to
the
main
issue
that
I
heard
on
public
testimony
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
B
N
Mayor
question
for
our
legal
experts:
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
there's
45
days
in
which
a
sequa
complaint
could
be
filed,
california,
environmental
quality
act
established
in
1970,
and
do
I
hear
correctly
that
with
two
hours
to
go
before
that
45-day
window
closed
the
carpenters
union
filed
these
complaints?
Is
that
is
that
correct.
Q
So
actually,
the
since
this
is
we'll
be
filing,
what's
called
a
notice
of
determination,
it
starts
a
30-day
statute
of
limitations,
not
45
but
sql
require.
Has
it
has
allows
public
comments
up
until
the
the
time
that
you
make
a
decision.
Q
Q
Anything
after
that
point
in
time
we're
not
legally
obligated
to
provide
written
sponsors,
but
it's
important
and
the
reason
why
I
asked
our
consultant
to
provide
responses
and
to
read
it
into
the
record
is
because
it's
important
to
have
a
complete
record,
because
if
there
is
litigation
involved,
it's
important
that
we
have
all
of
the
information
that
we
can
have
it
possible.
Given
the
lateness
of
the
filing
of
these
letters,
however,
forces
us
to
do
it
during
the
city
council
meeting.
Q
So
thank
you
very
much,
for
you
know
that
I
mean
that's
not
an
easy
task.
That's
a
huge
endeavor
on
on
our
consultant's
part
to
do
so,
but
it's
important
to
do
that
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
complete
record.
If
we,
if
litigation,
does
ensue.
N
I
do
appreciate
again
thank
you
also
again
for
your
legal
analysis
and
explanations,
much
appreciated,
but
coming
back
to
the
question,
they
had
a
long
time
period
in
which
to
respond.
What
is
their
purpose
in
waiting
to
the
eleventh
hour
two
hours
before
meeting
to
dump
four
thousand
pages
onto
this
gentleman
there
to
review
and
provide.
J
N
Q
You
know
that's
a
question,
you
would
have
to
ask
them,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
this
is
a
tactic
that
has
been
used
by
ver
in
in
you
know,
various
organizations
and
groups
over
the
years.
It
is
a
it
is
a
common
tactic,
it's
unfortunate
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
what
we
strive
for
is
to
provide,
as
you
know,
information
so
that
the
public
and
you
can
make
an
educated
decision
on
a
project.
Q
This
actually,
in
my
personal
opinion,
kind
of
stifles
that
ability
it
actually,
you
know,
makes
it
much
more
difficult.
Had
we
received
those
comments
earlier,
you
know
we
we
possibly
could
have
even
had
more
well
thought
out
comments.
I
I
honestly,
I
thought
that
the
comments
were
amazing,
but
you
know
if
they're,
if
they're
brought
forward
sooner,
it
really
provides
an
opportunity
for
us
to
consider
those
comments.
It
defeats
the
whole
purpose.
I
think,
but
that's
just
my
personal
opinion.
N
No,
I
appreciate
the
personal
opinion
because
I'm
looking
at
this
as
something
that
was
put
in
place
in
1970
to
help
protect
the
environment
and
that's
always
on
people's
lists
of
priorities.
We
want
to
take
care
of
the
environment,
but
this
seems
like
it's
been
bastardized
into
delayed
tactics
that
could
be
used
by
the
carpenters
union
to
delay
a
project
which,
in
turn,
drives
up
the
price.
N
Oh,
I
don't
know.
Wildlife
such
as
birds,
bird
strikes,
habitat
loss,
migratory
of
birds,
roadkill
house
cats,
I'm
just
as
fond
of
health
casts
as
anybody
else,
but
what
place
does
that
have
in
the
environment
other
than?
I
think
this
is
a
delay
tactic
by
the
carpenters
union
to
extort
jobs
for
union
carpenters
and
other
union
labor,
which,
in
turn
from
the
studies,
I've
read,
drives
it
up.
30
percent
and
that's
not
a
good
thing
for
affordable
housing,
so
the
unions
aren't
winning
me
over
and
I'm
sure
they're,
not
winning
over
the
other
council
members.
N
Here
they
have
to
speak
for
themselves,
but
I
can
tell
you
this
tactic
used
by
the
carpenters
union
is
not
winning
favors
from
me
so
mayor.
Thank
you.
That's
the
comments
I
want
to
have
because
I'm
looking
again
at
biologists,
sound
engineers,
arborists
economists
that
all
went
in
to
do
this.
Those
are
expensive
people
to
bring
in
just
to
say
that
we
want
to
delay
this.
Thank
you
mayor.
F
We're
discussing
anyway,
okay,
well
getting
back
to
the
issue
in
front
of
us,
and
we
do
have
a
project
that
has
been
presented
to
us
and
it
is
a
a
very
carefully
thought
out.
Infill
project
that
is
repurposing,
a
severely
underutilized
parking
lot,
acres
and
acres
of
asphalt
with,
I
think,
a
very
walkable
project,
a
project
that
is
providing
affordable
housing,
particularly,
I
think
which
could
be
workforce
housing,
which
we've
been
looking
for.
F
I
particularly
like
the
area
between
the
parking
garage
and
the
apartments
which
has
an
outdoor
theater,
a
couple
of
the
things
I
read
really
kids,
nature
play
and
oak
trail
again,
you're,
utilizing
the
topography
and
and
actually
making
it
far
better
than
what's
there
now
and
you've
really
made
the
trees
a
part
of
the
project
and
yeah
we're
losing
a
couple
trees,
but
it's
less
than
one
percent
of
the
oak
trees
that
are
there
and
I
I
don't
like
losing
oak
trees,
but
you
know
benefits
risk
benefits,
analysis,
it's
a
it's,
a
price
that
we
have
to
pay
to
get
a
project
in
there
that
I
think,
is
very
beneficial
and
no
density
bonus
which
enables
you
to
preserve
even
more
than
you
would
normally
be
able
to
do.
F
F
This
is
where
our
residents
have
told
us
time
and
again
they
want
to
see
housing,
not
necessarily
in
the
existing
neighborhoods,
certainly
not
in
the
open
space
but
along
the
101
corridor
and
there's,
as
you
have
said,
very
very,
very
little
conflict
with
any
existing
neighborhoods
that
are
there
now
and
that
that's
endemic
of
most
of
the
101
corridor
and
that's
where
we're
blessed
in
a
way
to
have
it,
because
we
can
put
some
very
important
housing
along
there
and
this
project
fits
that.
So
I'm
prepared
to
make
a
motion.
F
I
appreciate
the
time
that
you
spent
on
this.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
time
coming,
but
I
think
it's
a
really
good
use
of
the
of
the
land
that's
there.
So
I
would
like
to
move
that
we
approve
a
day
which
is
the
gateway
project
and
all
the
recommendations
from
staff
that
come
with
it.
L
L
L
It
appears
to
be
attractive
attractive.
It
has
a
lot
of
other
amenities.
I
just
think
it's
I
agree
with
mr
e.
It's
the
right
time
the
right
place
and
whatever
other
rights
he
has.
So
if
we
required
seconds,
I
would
second
that
out.
J
J
J
I
have
to
say
that
this
is
that
you
have
taken
great
interest
and
pride
in
really
listening
to
the
residents
and
to
receive
feedback
from
various
local
groups
and
though
yes,
oak,
trees
and
protected
landmark
trees
are
always
a
concern
considering
the
size
of
the
project,
the
number
of
trees
we
have
here.
You
did
really
your
best
to
ensure
that
you
are
removing
as
few
trees
as
possible.
In
my
opinion,.
J
I
am
also
pleased
to
see
that
your
environmental
features
in
this
particular
project
are
really
well
thought
out.
The
fitwell
program
is
a
good
one,
and
you
really
have
checked
that
box.
For
me
as
well,
traffic
is
still
a
concern,
but
it
remains
to
be
seen,
probably
more
so
in
the
morning
than
it
is
in
the
afternoon.
J
J
I
just
would
like
to
go
on
the
record
that,
from
now
on,
I
would
really
like
to
see
for
future
projects
that
developers
reach
out
to
other
local
nonprofit
groups,
such
as
we
belong
and
thrive
groups
which
are
trying
to
advocate
for
a
fair
representation
of
people
with
developmental
disabilities.
That
is
super
important
and
if
they
could
get
in
line
for
some
of
those
units,
that
would
be
great.
J
You
have
convinced
me
that
this
is
a
project
that
should
be
approved.
I
congratulate
you
on
the
efforts
and
also
for
not
counting
just
to
three
for
votes,
but
all
five.
I
really
really
appreciate
that.
Not
every
developer
does
that.
I
said
it
at
the
last
council
meeting
two
weeks
ago
and
we
need
more
of
that.
We
need
more
of
developers
that
really
will
bring
true
public
benefit
to
our
community
and
really
get
buy-in
from
everyone.
N
N
It's
actually
one
of
the
best
that
I
could
see
as
far
as
being
a
true
mixed
use
and
that
an
easy
walk
to
the
promenade
would
satisfy
everything
from
groceries
to
movies,
to
shops,
to
dining
it's
a
beautiful
location
that
people
will
be
able
to
reduce
the
number
of
trips
in
their
vehicle
and
actually
walk,
which
is
unusual.
We
can
do
here
in
the
city
just
by
the
nature
of
the
layout.
That's
been
designed
since
the
1970s.
N
As
an
educator
myself,
I
see
the
changes
that
happen
when
a
student
gets
a
new
skill,
that's
able
to
be
used
in
the
market.
Changes
lives,
changes,
futures
and
you
can
solve
the
benefit
of
it,
and
I
appreciate
your
vision
and
understanding
how
it
will
help
the
community
and
a
great
community
benefit,
and
I
thank
you
mayor.
J
B
Okay,
I
always
get
the
last
word.
That's
the
beauty
of
being
the
mayor
any
of
these
projects.
I
try
to
look
for
the
balance
of
what
is
good
for
our
community
on
on
one
side,
there
are
some
trees
that
are
going
to
be
sacrificed
for
this
project,
and
I
I
appreciate
the
developer
looking
at
that
and
taking
it
to
heart
and
reducing
the
number
that
would
need
to
be
taken
out
to
an
absolute
minimum.
B
My
personal
experience
just
three
weeks
ago,
my
son-in-laws
are
my
son's
sister-in-law.
Moving
here
to
thousand
oaks
husband
just
got
a
job
at
amgen,
can't
find
a
place
in
town,
so
they're
living
down
in
camarillo
somewhere.
Now,
that's
the
type
of
thing
we
need
to
address
that
we
need
to
correct
so
that
we
can
be
competitive
with
other
areas
in
bringing
in
talent
both
those
both
of
them
were
phds,
and
they
couldn't
find
a
place
here
in
town.
B
It's
compatible
with
the
area,
as
mr
mcnamee
pointed
out.
We
have
an
office
space
there,
large
400
000
square
foot
office.
We
have
the
promenade
center
for
for
commercial,
infrared,
entertainment
and
for
for
food
stores,
and
now
we
have
a
housing
element
all
within
that
same
block.
It's
compatible.
It's
the
right
thing
for
the
right
area,.
B
B
We
we
are
batting
a
thousand
right
now
and
thank
you
for
the
quality
you're
bringing
to
us
and
how
you
have
presented
gone
out
to
the
community
and
engaged
the
community
to
come
up
with
a
project
that
really
works
for
everyone
and
then,
finally,
the
amenities,
the
amenities
seem
to
be
something
that
is
is
sellable
for
you,
whatever
you
need
to
put
in
those
amenities
is
fine.
I
understand
the
different
centers
you
have
there
that
you
have
a
pool.
B
B
That
will
help
us
going
into
the
future,
not
only
with
our
energy
consumption,
but
also,
I
appreciate
the
fact
you're
taking
out
a
paved
parking
lot,
adding
green
space
that
will
allow
percolation
of
rain
water
into
the
ground.
That
is
a
little
thought
of
attribute
of
this
type
of
development,
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
forward.
B
I
I
too
will
be
happy
to
support
this,
and
I
with
that
I
would
call
for
a
vote.
B
C
And
that
motion
passes
5-0
and
I
have
two
ordinance
titles
to
read:
ordinance,
adopting
specific
plan
number
23
one
baxter
way
and
its
associated
general
plan
amendment
and
authorizing
the
land
uses
and
development
standards.
In
said,
specific
plan
applicant
one
baxter
way:
lp
ordinance
approving
a
development
agreement,
one
baxter
way
applicant
one
baxter
away,
lp.
H
L
H
Cdd
all
rallying
together,
steve
kearns
leadership,
kathy
naum,
working
on
the
traffic
components
nodder
and
cliff,
and
the
entire
team
from
public
works
there
noel
on
the
legal
team,
along
with
all
the
support,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
involved
in
this,
including
our
consultant
team
working
with
the
developer
and
I'm
just
immensely
proud
of
all
their
work.
I'm
very
appreciative.
B
You
let
me
just
echo
that
mr
powers
in
the
in
the
past
year,
we've
added
over,
I
believe
it's
120
125,
affordable
units
in
in
town.
B
Affordable
units
in
our
in
our
town
within
this
year
that
matches
everything
for
the
past
15
years,
so
I'm
very
proud
of
that.
I'm
proud
of
our
staff
for
helping
us
push
that
through
and
I'm
very
appreciative
of
our
development
community.
Who
is
allowing
us
to
do
this?
B
Let's
and
I
with
that
I'll
call
for
a
little
bit
of
a
break,
and
I
apologize
to
our
cannabis
ordnance.
Folks
are
here
in
the
community,
but
let's
just
take
five
minutes.
Please
five
minutes
only.
A
A
A
A
A
B
C
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
this
public
hearing.
All
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
city
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record.
Three
people
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
they
are
allowed
five
minutes.
C
B
Remaining
very
good,
thank
you
so
much
we
do
have
staff
ready
to
present.
We
have
melissa,
hurtado
and
stan
we're
sitting
next
to
her
is
patrick
e
here.
So
please
go
ahead
and.
G
G
In
february,
our
two
retail
operators
opened
their
doors
to
the
public
soon
after
they
contacted
the
city
and
filed
for
a
municipal
code
amendment
to
expand
their
sales
to
include
adult
use
cannabis.
On
april
12
of
this
year,
city
council
initiated
a
municipal
code
amendment
to
consider
adding
adult
use
cannabis
to
the
code.
G
When
the
city
began
discussing
potential
cannabis,
businesses
in
town,
adult
use,
dispensaries
were
only
under
consideration
by
other
cities
in
ventura
county
none
had
been
approved,
nor
established
medicinal
cannabis.
Dispensaries
were
commonplace
in
2017,
as
only
a
year
had
passed
since
the
legalization
of
adult
use
cannabis.
G
At
the
time,
the
two
operators
were
confident
that
the
medicinal
only
business
model
would
work
more
than
four
years
after
the
initial
ordinance
adoption.
Four
other
cities
in
ventura
county
now
allow
for
both
medicinal
and
adult
use
sales
in
their
respective
jurisdictions.
Ojai
oxnard,
port,
wynemi
and
ventura.
G
G
G
Amendments
to
the
regulatory
section
of
the
ordinance
title
v
are
in
two
areas.
The
draft
ordinance
contains
a
new
definition
for
adult
use,
cannabis
redefines
the
cannabis
retailer
to
include
both
adult
use
and
medicinal
cannabis.
The
draft
ordinance
states
that
at
any
given
time,
the
maximum
number
of
cannabis
retailers
shall
be
two
also
added
were
operational
requirements
for
adult
use,
sales
mainly
pertaining
to
identification
and
an
amendment
to
language
for
medicinal
sales
that
is
consistent
with
state
law.
G
In
addition,
staff
use
this
opportunity
to
clean
up
language
that
was
outdated
in
the
ordinance.
For
example,
the
bureau
of
cannabis
control
no
longer
exists.
It
was
replaced
with
state
and
defined
to
provide
for
future
changes
in
state
regulatory
structure.
Ownership
was
also
redefined
to
be
consistent
with
state
law.
G
The
amendments
to
title
ix
include
defining
adult
use,
cannabis
and
redefining
cannabis
retailer
in
the
zoning
matrix
under
medical
care
uses.
The
word
medical
was
stricken
from
the
title
and
now
states
cannabis
retailer
and
a
new
section
was
added
to
personal
and
general
services
for
cannabis.
Retailer
title
ix
went
before
the
planning
commission
on
june
13th
as
and
was
recommended
for
approval
by
a
4-0
vote
with
one
commissioner
absent.
B
Very
good,
no
questions
of
our
staff.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
public
speakers.
B
All
right,
so,
let's,
let's
talk
to
our
applicant
first,
if
I.
B
Yeah
I'm
going
to
go
with
public
to
the
applicants.
Then
we
have
a
couple
public
speakers.
I
believe
mr
mcfarland
and
mr
davis
coming
down
very
good.
You
will
have
an
aggregate
of
15
minutes.
Gentlemen.
S
Good
evening
I
want
to
thank
the
the
council
for
taking
this
up
tonight
and
also
the
staff
for
all
of
the
work
they
have
done
over
the
last
1449
days,
since
we
received
our
permit
here
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
I
think
we
went
through
the
last
meeting
we
had.
I
think
we
went
through
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
pertain
to
this
discussion
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
belabor
those
points
again.
I
think
they're
they're,
still
the
same,
nothing's
really
changed
and
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
J
Thank
you,
mayor
engler.
I
do
have
a
question
for
the
two
of
you
since
the
initiation
of
this
amendment.
How
has
business
been
doing.
S
P
L
I
I'm
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
this,
because
when
I
came
on
the
council
there
were
different
proposals,
but
they
all
had
to
do
with
medical
marijuana.
And
what
confuses
me
is
when
we
had
the
townsgate
application
that
was
sold
to
us
on
the
idea
that
it
would
be
a
place
where
no
one
would
loiter
or
linger
people
that
were
up
in
arms
in
the
community
were
saying
that,
like
this
could
be
used
to
spread
cannabis
to
people
that
weren't
old
enough
or
you
know
you
know
you
were
here
that
night.
L
But
it
looked
to
me
as
if
your
goal
really
was
not
medical,
but
you
know
the
other
whatever
you
call
it.
I
didn't
like
the
term
recreational
and
I'm
not
here
to
upgrade
you
or
you
know,
call
you
out,
but
I
it
seems
to
me
that
when
you
then
said
that
you
were
so
surprised
that
people
walked
in
and
walked
out
well,
I
don't
think
that
they
were
aware
that
this
was
a
medical
marijuana
facility.
It
didn't
look
like
a
drug
store.
L
Evidently,
the
people
didn't
understand
that
I
I'm
not
I'm
not
trying
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
I'm
just
telling
you
how
confused
I
was
by
that
whole
process,
because
I
could
see
the
basis
for
having
medical
marijuana
and
I
think
the
council
wrestled
with
that
before
I
came
on.
I
know
that
there
was
some
problem
originally
even
with
the
medical
marijuana,
but
then
it
was
like
all
right.
L
I
think
I
heard
you
speak
about
the
quality
of
the
product.
Is
there
a
different
quality
in
medical
marijuana
as
opposed
to
what
you're
calling
recreational,
even
though
I
don't
care
for
the
term
recreational.
S
Ed,
no
there's
there
is
absolutely
no
difference
between
the
product
you
sell
as
a
medical
product
and
the
product
you
sell
as
an
adult
use
product.
But
what.
S
S
S
S
Which
is
not
created
from
the
cannabis
plant,
but
they
treat
people
without
that.
Have
a
low
appetite
when
they're
on
chemotherapy
with
that
and
cannabis
provides
it
in
a
natural
form,
but
the
three,
the
three
basic
things
are
insomnia,
chronic
pain
and
one
more
I'll.
Think
of
it.
L
L
About
it,
I
there
are
four
other
out
of
the
ten
cities.
I
think
four
other
cities
have
marijuana
distributors
or
retailers.
Whatever
the
word
is
are:
are
those
products
all
tested
or
in
other
words
these
four
cities,
whatever
they
have
there?
Maybe
you
don't
know
what
they
have
there,
but
do
you
assume
that
they
have
the
same
quality
that
you're
talking
about.
L
S
S
When
people
come
into
the
shop-
and
they
don't
have
a
medical
recommendation,
it
doesn't
mean
that
they're
not
trying
to
use
it
medically
most
people
come
into
the
shop
who
come
in
are
trying
to
get
some
effect
from
the
cannabis
that
they
that
that
helps
them
do
something
most
of
our
patients
come
in
and
it's
and
it's
insomnia
or
it's
it's
chronic
pain.
You
can't
treat
chronic
pain
with
an
opioid
because
it'll
kill
you.
You
can
treat
chronic
pain
with
a
with
cannabis
because
it
won't
kill
you.
S
S
B
J
I
do
thank
you.
I
do
have
a
question
for
mr
heger
and
that
is
speaking
of
testing
and
quality
control
and
all
that.
B
J
G
I
would
say
no
not
for
testing
laboratories
that
are
state
licensed
that
has
been.
The
challenge,
frankly,
is
for
the
testing
laboratories.
It
is
a
very
expensive,
initiate
an
initial
cost
to
to
set
a
testing
laboratory
up.
That's
why
you've
seen
the
challenges
in
our
city
because
are,
as
you
know,
we've
allowed
for
two
testing
laboratories
and
to
date
they
have
not
yet
been
opened.
G
I
did
speak
to
the
ceo
of
one
of
them
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
then
again
today,
and
she
is
just
frankly
just
trying
to
get
the
investment
because
of
the
pandemic.
G
That
was
the
poor
timing
for
it,
for
that,
so
part
of
it
is
just
that
they
have
to
have
the
scientists,
of
course,
and
they
have
to
have
the
location
that,
where
it's
permitted
and
then
they
have
to
have
the
equipment
to
do
it
correctly,
but
it
is
something
that's
highly
regulated
by
the
state
and
since
just
so,
we
have
this
time
to
comment.
G
I
I
also
want
to
remind
council
that
when
we
started
this
process
five
years
ago,
five
plus
years
ago,
it
was
brand
new
to
the
state
and
and
literally
in
this
four
years,
there's
been
so
many
regulatory
changes,
including
including
allowing
the
deliveries
into
the
cities,
and
that's
been
a
major
change
that
wasn't
there.
When
we
started
this
process
and
also
when
we
started
this
process,
it
was
to
start
off
with
one
medical
facility
in
one
testing
laboratory.
G
Then
we
went
to
two
tes
medical
facilities
and
two
testing
laboratories,
and
I
bring
that
up
just
because
it
was
it
wasn't.
Like
I
heard
council
say
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
more.
It
was
more
of
let's
start
with,
let's
start
slow
and
see
how
it
goes,
and
I
think
you
would
see
from
the
work
that
has
been
done
by
the
two
operators
that
we
have
now
the
product
that
they
show
as
far
as.
J
D
G
B
Thank
you
and
I
think
our
I
I
want
to
narrow
our
topics
a
little
bit
here,
we're
talking
about
an
ordinance
that
will
allow
our
vendors
to
sell
recreational
as
well
as
medical
based,
and
I
think
two
one
of
my
colleagues
here
mentioned.
What's
the
difference,
this
does
give
us
the
maximum
amount
of
control
over
the
product.
That
is
the
is
delivered
and
and
sold
in
our
community
by
having
our
our
own
dispensaries
doing
this,
we
can
have
the
maximum
right
now.
B
Anybody
can
call
can
call
and
just
have
it
delivered
to
their
house
our
we
have
our
own
vendors
here.
We
have
more
input
on
how
they
do
that,
and
I
trust
that
our
vendors
here
are
using
quality
inspected
items
that
is
isn't
something
that
is
either
black
market
or
is
something
from
a
non-reputable
supplier.
B
With
that
I
I
would
like
to
go
to
our
speakers.
If
possible,
we
do
have
sarah
armstrong
online.
Please
go
ahead.
Sarah.
I
I
I
am
deeply
hopeful
that
you
will
allow
the
expansion
of
adult
use
for
these
two
honorable
operators,
for
the
reasons
below
our
organization
urges
you
to
make
this
change
to
your
ordinance,
one
those
who
are
chronically
ill
face.
Discrimination
in
the
workplace,
employers
are
reluctant
to
hire
or
promote
those
they
feel,
may
miss
work
or
perform
poorly
due
to
chronic
illness
being
identified
as
a
patient
who
uses
cannabis.
Therapeutically
exacerbates
this
issue,
though.
Cannabis
has
been
legal
for
therapeutic
use
since
1996.
I
those
identified
as
medical
cannabis,
patients
may
lose
their
jobs
face.
Eviction
face,
custody
issues
are
ineligible
for
certain
types
of
licensure
and
may
be
vilified.
My
family
members
neighbors
or
co-workers
thus
exposure
as
a
medical,
cannabis.
Patient
comes
with
some
very
real
and
very
unpleasant
consequences.
I
For
the
above
reasons.
As
soon
as
cannabis
was
legalized,
patients
stopped
renewing
their
doctor's
recommend
american
recommendations.
They
could
now
purchase
their
medicine
without
the
expense
and
lost
work.
A
doctor's
recommendat
recommendation
entailed,
more
importantly,
simply
showing
a
valid
government
id
in
order
to
purchase
cannabis,
provided
a
level
of
convenience
and
privacy
that
was
necessary
and
meaningful
by
expanding
the
ability
of
the
city's
two
cannabis
dispensaries
to
offer
adult
use
purchases.
I
D
D
D
So
if
we
continue
going
forward
without
changing
the
code,
the
black
market's
going
to
run
rampant,
we
can't
control
what's
coming
into
our
city
and
you're,
not
getting
the
tax
revenue
from
it.
If
you
allow
leaf
and
legendary
to
sell
recreational
cannabis,
they're
going
to
be
supplying
a
product
that
is
safe
to
our
community,
it
can
be
delivered
safely
to
their
home.
D
They
know
where
it's
coming
from,
it's
been
lab
tested
and
as
a
bonus,
the
city
is
getting
the
tax
revenue
from
it,
which
they're
not
getting
from
the
black
market,
so
I'll
be
here
over
the
rest
of
the
evening.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
the
cannabis
industry.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time,
but
I
think
you're
in
good
hands
with
legendary
and
leave.
B
We
have
seth,
I'm
sorry
trent
coming
down
cigar.
G
G
I
would
suggest
looking
at
denver,
denver
colorado,
they
have
a
e-bike
rebate
program
and
I
think
using
this
tax
revenue
for
something
like
that
could
bring
some
positive
change
to
the
community
through
something
that
seems
a
little
controversial
members
of
council
have
mentioned
that
customers
wouldn't
want
to
pay
the
high
tax
customers
and
patients.
I've
spoken
to
are
happy
to
do
so,
and
they
say
it
can
even
feel
charitable.
When
you
know
the
funds
and
the
tax
dollars
that
they
are,
spending
are
going
to
a
good
place.
B
We
have
any
further
questions
of
staff.
We
have
no
more
public
speakers.
G
I
would
I
would
add,
briefly,
is
just
that
we
do
have
operations
agreements
with
both
of
these
retailers
and
those
will
be
modified,
but
it
does
require
that
they
have
conditions
such
as
no
loadering
and
no
signage.
G
So
there
are
some
very
restrictive
aspects
to
our
code
and
to
the
conditions
for
each
of
these
locations,
and
those
will
remain.
Thank
you.
J
No,
that's,
okay!
You
can
I'll
wait.
B
L
S
I
don't
I
I
don't
I
I
can
tell
you
that
the
the
46
people
that
walked
out
on
saturday
may
use
it
medically,
but
they
couldn't
they
couldn't
get
it
from
from
our
shop.
They
couldn't
get
it
from
david's
shop,
but
I
can
tell
you
just
from
our
our
experience
when
talking
to
people
they're
talking
to
us
about
medical
conditions,
mostly
insomnia
and
chronic
pain,
so
an
anxiety.
Those
are
the
three
things
that
that
they
take
it
for
so.
S
S
L
S
One
second:
what
do
you
give
them
just
understand
something?
You
cannot
write
a
prescription
for
something:
that's
not
recognized
as
a
legal
drug
right.
So
a
a
medical
doctor
cannot
just
write
a
prescription
and
send
it
to
with
somebody
to
come
into
our
shop
and
and
buy
it
that
doesn't
work.
That
way
you
have
to
get
a
medical
recommendation
which
is
through
a
service
that
provides
physicians
who
have
training
in
understanding
what
cannabis
does
and
what
its
benefits
are
and
what
its
risks
are.
And
then
that's
how
you
get
the
recommendation.
S
G
Mr
mayor
and
councilmember
jones,
we
do
have
aj
callery,
who
is
from
hdl,
who
is
our
consultant
for
this
project
in
this
matter,
and
he
is
on
zoom
and
he
might
have
an
answer
for
you
as
well.
Mr
jones.
R
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
again
my
name
is
jake
hilary.
I
work
for
hdl
companies
regarding
the
the
medical
question
of
the
percent
of
overall
sales.
It's
difficult.
B
Good,
thank
you.
Let's,
we
have
no
more
public
speakers,
no
more
questions
for
our
staff.
Let's
close
our
public
hearing.
E
B
F
Well,
just
that
the
gentleman
who
spoke
is
absolutely
right:
black
market
cannabis
is
running
rampant
and,
just
as
he
said,
there's
no
quality
control,
there's
no
permits
for
delivery,
there's
no
paying
of
taxes.
This
is
a
way
that
we
at
least
we
can
have
some
control
of
what's
happening
within
our
city
and
keep
in
mind.
It's
still
going
to
be
in
the
m1
zone
not
going
to
be
on
to
boulevard.
F
The
business
is
going
to
fail
and
they've
been
working
on
this
for
three
or
four
years
now
at
least
and
we're
the
ones
who
started
it
in
a
sense
by
allowing
the
medical
times
have
changed
and
we
have
to
adapt
to
the
change
and-
and
I
think
we
need
to
support
it.
So
these
businesses
continue
to
prosper.
I
B
Just
going
to
say
a
couple,
little
things
it's
time,
we
need
all
these
arguments
about
the
benefits
or
the
that
that
ship
sailed
several
years
ago.
Right
now
we
have
adult
use
and
and
medical
use
approved
in
the
state
of
california.
Currently
we
have
people
availing
themselves
of
both
products
living
in
our
town,
and
we
have
handcuffed
our
our
two
vendors
by
not
allowing
them
to
compete
openly.
With
this
these,
this
new
state
approved
a
way
of
doing
business.
B
It's
not
fair
to
our
vendors,
but,
more
importantly
to
me,
I
have
full
confidence
in
our
vendors
that,
if
unleashed
from
our
restriction
on
on
the
adult
use,
they
can
put
some
of
these
illicit
operations
out
of
business
and
compete
on
a
one-to-one
with
other
other
folks
who
are
delivering
into
town.
So
I
wholeheartedly
agree
that
if
this
is
the
product
that
is
legal
in
the
state
of
california,
there's
no
reason
for
us
to
handicap
our
two
vendors.
F
C
H
H
Their
variety
of
items
set
certainly
a
lighter
meeting.
This
evenings
a
lot
of
fiscal
year.
Closeout
items
will
receive
annual
reports
from
the
council
on
aging
and
from
the
youth
commission
and
we'll
hear
an
item
from
west
rural's
hospital
regarding
a
needed
legislative
action
to
prepare
for
a
medical
facility
behind
the
tosh
surgical
hospital.
B
Q
You,
mr
mayor,
there
are
four
closed
session
matters.
Two
of
them
are
public,
employee
performance
evaluations
pursuant
to
government
code,
section
54957b1
for
the
city
attorney
and
the
city
manager,
and
the
other
two
are
conference
with
labor
negotiators.
Pursuant
to
government
code,
section
54957.6
with
city
designated
representatives,
mayor
engler
and
human
resources,
director
tim
giles
with
unrepresented
employees,
city
attorney
and
city
manager.
It
is
unlikely
anything
will
be
reported
following
those
closed
sessions.