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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - September 13, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 9/13/22
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Okay,
everybody,
let's
bring
our
meeting
to
order
last
meeting,
we
had
a
little
bit
of
trouble
with
with
folks
who
couldn't
hear.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
we
do
have
a
limited
number
of
hearing
devices
at
the
front
desk
if
you
need
a
hearing
device
to
help
boost
the
volume
pleased
to
see
people
at
the
front
desk
and
they
can
lend
one
out
to
you
with
that
said,
let's
all
stand
and
salute
our
flag.
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Here,
there's
no
request
for
continuance,
so
we'll
go
straight
to
our
our
special
presentations.
We
have
a
very,
very,
very
good
presentation
about
our
library.
40
years
our
library
has
been
in
position
and
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
very
own
jennifer
patterson,
to
give
us
a
little
presentation
on
what
the
library
has
been
doing
and
what
they'll
be
doing
going
forward.
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Good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
management
and
staff
this
evening,
I
am
here
to
discuss
the
40th
anniversary
of
the
grant
r
brim
hall
library,
get
ready
to
dust
off
your
leg.
Warmers
and
jump
start
your
deloreans
because
we
are
celebrating
our
40th
anniversary
by
taking
you
back
to
the
80s
september.
19Th
through
24th
is
80s
week
at
the
library.
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Additionally,
this
day
marks
the
start
of
our
oral
history
project
in
partnership
with
the
stagecoach
inn.
Museum
volunteers
from
the
stagecoach
will
be
available
by
appointment
to
record
your
memories
of
the
library
library
staff
will
continue
this
project
at
the
conclusion
of
the
40th
anniversary
events.
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In
the
parking
lot,
we
will
have
live
music
by
80s
cover
band,
bad
habit
from
12
to
2,
complimentary
refreshments
from
the
habit,
burger,
grill
and
kona
ice.
While
supplies
last
and
the
athens
services
bounce
house
inside
the
library
we
will
have
activities
for
kids
and
teens,
including
diy
tote
bags
and
buttons,
robin
britt
from
community
conscience
will
be
making
balloon
animals
from
two
to
four.
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Lastly,
we
will
have
a
community
services
fair
with
11
participating
organizations.
Library
visitors
will
receive
a
community
organization's
passport,
collect
visas
by
visiting
each
community
organization's
table,
collect
all
11
visas
and
turn
in
your
passport
to
be
entered
into
an
opportunity
drawing
to
win
one
of
eight
kindle
fires.
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B
Go
forward
last
one
I
promise
we
will
have
80s
themed
giveaways
all
week
long
and
you
may
even
hear
your
favorite
80s
song
in
the
background
when
you
visit
the
library.
This
presentation
in
no
way
encompasses
everything
that
we
have
going
on.
So
to
see
it
all.
You
must
come
to
the
library
next
week,
the
thousand
oaks
library
cordially
invites
our
community
to
attend
these
free,
family-friendly
and
fun-filled
events
to
celebrate
the
40th
anniversary
of
the
grant,
r
brim
hall
library.
Thank
you.
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Through
the
activities
of
people
like
grant
that
library
was
built
and
through
the
activities
of
these
of
the
people,
I
will
acknowledge
in
just
one.
Second,
it's
continued
to
flourish.
So
where
did
jennifer
go?
Oh
I'm
real
happy
that
the
library
has
40
years,
but
this
next
group,
the
friends
of
the
library,
are
working
on
60..
C
Well,
very
good,
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
It's
a
really.
I
was
discussing
earlier
with
everybody
that
I
I
spoke
with,
that
it's
exciting
to
have
volunteers
who
have
been
so
involved
in
the
community
for
so
long.
It's
part
of
what
makes
thousand
oaks
so
special,
and
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
being
part
of
that.
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Finally,
we
would
like
to
extend
an
invitation
to
city
council
and
to
all
of
our
community
to
visit
the
grand
reopening
of
our
bookshop
on
september
19th
at
4,
30,
restyled
and
reorganized
again.
Thank
you
for
this
recognition
of
our
work
and
you
can
count
on
us
to
continue
for
at
least
the
next
60
years.
So
thank
you
again.
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We
do
have
our
public
comments
section
now
coming
up.
Madame
clerk,
do
we
have
any
public
speakers?
We
do
not
very
good,
no
bill
public
speakers
for
our
public
comments,
so
we
can
go
move
on
to
our
next.
Our
next
item,
which
is
our
consent,
calendar
items
that
we
have
on
our
consent.
So,
madam
clerk.
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Yeah,
so
this
has
been
a
topic-
that's
been
discussed
in
the
past
quite
a
bit
for
us
in
this
venue.
As
I
think
most
will
know,
this
is
a
multi-use
venue.
So
this
is
a
performing
arts
venue
meeting
that
is
booked
out
and,
as
you
might
imagine,
the
most
prominent
nights
for
booking
run
wednesday,
thursday
friday
saturday
sunday,
so
that
has
since
this
venue's
inception,
that's
been
the
focus
planning
commission
on
monday
night.
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We
lift-
you
may
not
know,
but
this
entire
apparatus
lives
underneath
here
on
hydraulics,
and
so
we
lift
it
all
up
here
and
set
this
all
up.
Our
team
does,
and
they
do
it
in
concert
with
planning
commission
in
order
to
be
cost
effective
at
that
it
also
allows
jonathan
sarat
to
book
out
the
facility
on
the
remainder.
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So
we
do
our
level
best
on
the
calendar
to
put
in
all
the
multitude
of
things
that
are
there,
including
annual
conferences
that
the
council
attends,
which
is
a
national
league
city's
conference
in
the
national
league
of
cities.
Lobbying
trip
in
d.c
spring
spring
breaks
fall,
breaks
all
those
different
factors,
and
so
there
are
some
inevitable
conflicts.
That
is
certainly
one
of
them,
but
we
do
not
have
a.
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I
was
just
thinking
alternate
tuesdays
school
board
on
one
tuesday
and
we're
on
the
other
tuesday,
that's
what
I
was
looking
for,
but
maybe
2024
we
can
have
some
flexibility.
Thank
you
mayor.
That
was
the
only
question
I
have.
If
none
of
my
other
council
members
have
any
concerns
with
that,
I
was
do
we
want
to.
Let's
see,
do.
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The
report
also
includes
the
coronavirus,
cares
act
funding
for
the
cdbg
cv
program.
The
program
year
was
from
july
1st
2021
to
june
30th.
2022
staff
requests
city
council
approval
to
to
submit
the
caper
report
to
hud
presentation
will
discuss
the
regular
annual
cdbg
first
and
then
the
cdbg
cv,
corona
virus
funding.
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With
the
economic
development
program
ending
in
june
2021,
the
city's
primary
cdbg
cv
activities
were
coveted
public
services,
harbor
house
and
lutheran
social
services
received
cdbg
cv,
public
service
funding
to
support
coronal
flies
related
activities
and
served
91
homeless
and
34.
Low-Income
thousand
oaks
residents
through
amendments,
the
city
transferred
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
a
bill
available
funds
to
other
project
activities.
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Thanks
mayor,
I
see
that
again
this
year
we
made
some
substantial
contributions,
if
that's
the
right
word
to
some
of
our
mobile
home
parks
through
habitat
for
humanity
and
through
senior
alliance
for
empowerment,
which
was
founded
by
kathy
goodspeed
and
jim
wolfe
wolff.
Thank
you.
I
almost
forgot
that
name,
which
has
been
a
wonderful
organization
by
the
way,
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
we
have
a
consistent
track
record
every
year
of
including
our
mobile
home
parks
under
the
community
project
category.
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Going
to
our
next
item,
which
is
item
10a
just
last
last
week
or
last
two
weeks
ago,
we
we
had
a
a
discussion
on
this
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
noticed
during
that
discussion.
I
offered
any
hearing
devices
for
people,
because
I
know
that
was
an
issue
for
some
folks.
I
want
to
remind
everybody,
because
we
do
have
people
online
and
on
tv
and
everything
else
to
try
to
speak
into
the
microphone.
C
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C
You
can
feel
good
about
what
someone
says,
or
you
feel
bad
about
what
someone
says,
but
we
try
to
have
a
decorum
that
allows
everybody
to
have
their
say
so
clapping
and
that
sort
of
thing
detracts
from
that.
So
I
would
ask
that
everybody
refrain
from
clapping
or
booing
or
whatever,
whatever
the
the
movement
moves
you
and
then
we
do
have.
I
think
12
or
13
speakers
so
far
12..
C
So
we
are
able
to
do
three
minutes
per
person
so
that
people
will
be
able
to
get
some
some
of
their
their
information
out.
So
that's
our!
That's
our
been
our
long-term
determination
on
how
many
minutes
people
get
if
it
gets
to
be
more
than
we
have
to
lower
it,
because
you
can
imagine
if
we
had
60
speakers
it
might
take
a
while.
C
N
As
many
of
you
may
know,
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
has
codified
the
mobile
home
park,
regulations
that
regulate,
among
other
things,
writ
in
the
city's
mobile
home
parks.
The
city
currently
has
eight
to
eight
parks.
Five
are
restricted
to
seniors.
Three
are
family
parks
or
in
other
words
they
do
not
have
resident
restrictions.
N
This
increase
is
much
higher
than
years
past,
where
increases
were
anywhere
from
one
percent
to
three
percent.
On
average,
several
residents
from
mobile
home
parks
have
reached
out
to
city
council
requesting
that
the
council
modify
the
current
rent
stabilization
ordinance
in
order
to
reduce
the
upcoming
rent
increase.
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N
O
Key
components
of
the
1996
ordinance
are
as
follows:
it
authorized
automatic
adjustments
in
rent
based
on
a
formula
set
forth
in
the
ordinance
thus
park
owners
were
legally
entitled
to
raise
rents
on
mobile
home
park
units
on
an
annual
basis.
Pursuant
to
this
formula,
the
annual
rent
adjustment
formula
included
an
index
for
increases.
O
O
Thus,
rent
increases
were
not
calculated
against
the
current
year's
rent,
but
against
rent
charged
in
1986
for
most
residents.
The
1996
ordinance
also
allowed
two
additional
types
of
increases
based
on
one
capital
improvements
made
by
a
park
owner.
This
would
be
for
such
things
as
paint
or
asphalt,
rehabilitation,
recreational
improvements,
things
of
that
nature
and
a
second
one
would
be
a
just
and
reasonable
return
on
the
property
investment.
O
The
requested
increases
were
significant
for
thunderbird
mobile
home
park.
The
owner
sought
a
332
dollar
per
month
increase
and
the
owner
of
ranch
mobile
home
park
sought
at
a
increase
of
621
dollars
per
month.
Now
these
applications
were
considered
by
the
city's
rent
adjustment,
commission
or
iraq.
O
The
city.
During
this
hearing,
the
city
consultant
recommended
significant
reductions
to
the
just
and
reasonable
return
applications
which
were
ultimately
adopted
by
the
rack
for
thunderbird.
The
increase
was
reduced
from
and
52
per
month
to
62
dollars
per
month,
phased
in
over
a
two-year
period
for
the
ranch.
O
Mayor
fox
proposed
a
confidential
mediation
with
the
park
owners
ranch
mobile
home
park.
Residents
declined
to
participate
in
the
mediation
because
of
the
confidentiality
requirement
for
the
residents
each
resident
agency
selected
various
representatives,
except
for
ranch
mobile
home
park,
who
did
not
participate
after
numerous
meetings
were
held.
The
parties
agreed
to
changes
to
the
1996
ordinance
the
mediated
agreement.
So
after
all,
this
mediation
took
place
between
the
park
owners
and
the
residents
that
agreement
was
codified
in
the
2011
rent
stabilization
ordinance,
it's
important
to
note
that
the
city
did
not
create
these
provisions.
O
O
O
O
O
O
If
the
ranch
residents
had
been
successful
in
valid
in
in
invalidating
the
2011
ordinance,
rent
control
for
all
residents
in
all
mobile
home
parks
in
the
city
would
have
ended
at
a
minimum.
The
10-year
moratorium
agreement
by
the
park
owners
to
not
seek
just
and
reasonable
adjustments
and
not
subdivide
a
mobile
home
park
would
have
been
nullified.
O
In
2021,
the
10-year
moratorium
on
just
and
reasonable
return
applications
and
on
subdivisions
of
the
mobile
home
parks
expired
prior
to
its
expiration
staff,
brought
a
cleanup
ordinance
to
the
city
council
for
adoption.
The
revisions
made
were
to
ensure
the
regulations
complied
with
state
law.
It
also
addressed
the
expiration
of
the
10-year
moratorium
on
just
and
reasonable
return
adjustments
and
it
dissolved
the
rent
adjustment
commission
and
assigned
all
duties
to
the
planning
commission
most
significant.
O
O
Prior
to
tonight's
meetings,
the
city
staff
reached
out
to
each
mobile
home
park
owner
to
inquire
regarding
their
intention
to
impose
the
maximum
annual
adjustment
as
permitted
under
the
ordinance
in
every
park,
except
one.
The
park
owners
will
increase
rents
in
accordance
with
the
rent
adjustment
formula
set
forth
in
the
ordinance.
O
Staff
has
also
brought
this
report
to
you
to
outline
the
history
of
the
city's
rent
stabilization
regulations
and
receive
direction
from
council
if
deemed
appropriate.
The
regulations
themselves
are
complex
and
most
of
them
are
based
on
an
agreement
between
the
mobile
park
owners
and
the
mobile
park
residents
pertinent
to
tonight's
discussion.
O
O
F
C
F
O
The
two
groups
that
is
correct
and
it's
important
to
note
that
when
you
have
a
mediation,
it's
confidential,
so
the
purpose
of
that
is,
everyone
can
be
candid
in
this
discussions
and
based
on
my
experience
and
I'm
sure
miss
newness
experience
and
doing
mediations.
You
certainly
have
this
goal.
This
goal
to
try
to
resolve
the
conflict
between
two
parties
and
that's
what
the
goal
was
here
and
obviously
it
was
successful
with
the
codification
of
their
agreement.
Yeah.
F
And
then,
as
a
side
note,
I
don't
know
if
it's
all
that
relevant
now,
but
ranch
decided
to
drop
out
and
pursue
their
own
course
and,
and
that
was
kind
of
an
expensive
avenue
for
everybody.
But
ultimately
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance
was
upheld,
which
was
a
good
thing,
but
as
far
as
the
city's
place
in
all
this
we
did.
We
didn't.
F
O
That
is
correct.
We
we
certainly
spent
a
city
spent
a
lot
of
time
hired
its
own
consultant,
his
own
expert,
an
expert
who
was
well
renowned
in
the
industry.
This
is
a
time
period
of
multiple
cities
and
across
the
state
having
these
issues
developed
between
2005
and
2013-14
was
a
huge
time
period
for
these
types
of
issues.
But
after
all
that
work
on
the
the
hearings
and
the
testimony
and
the
record
when
it
came
to
before
your
body
to
and
to
ensure
you
do
the
next
step.
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F
The
owner
said:
okay,
we'll
put
a
moratorium
on
justin,
reasonable
returns
for
10
years
and
in
return
the
residents
were
not
subject
to
that.
On
the
other
hand,
the
residents
agreed
to
the
cpi
business
and
agreed
to
a
one-time
rent
supplement,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
back
and
forth
situation
and,
and
that
expired
just
fairly
recently
last
year,
however,
the
rent
stability
stabilization
ordinance
is
still
in
effect,
that
isn't.
J
F
O
At
this
time,
no,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
in
2021,
when
the
10-year
time
period
sunsetted,
it
was
important
for
the
city
to
bring
it
back,
because
we
needed
to
make
sure
that
it
was
updated
with
state
regulations
as
most
mobile
home
park
issues
are
regulated
by
the
state
and,
of
course,
we
also
needed
to
make
sure
that
we
moved
removed
the
amount
of
moratorium
requirement.
That
was
in
that
agreement,
because
it
did
sunset
yeah.
F
F
J
So
my
question
is:
it
was
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
that
social
security
is
going
up,
and
so
therefore
it
shouldn't
be
that
much
of
a
hit
to
the
pocketbooks
but
social.
I
mean
that
is
what
was
being
said.
So
the
amount
of
increases
on
the
social
security
check
are
very
different
from
the
percentage
on
the
actual
rent
of
that
land.
So
the
two
to
me
are
not
comparable.
You
cannot
compare
apples
to
apples
and
my
question
is.
O
I
will
caution
you
that
when
we
move
to
mediation
as
part
of
this
2010-2011
action,
there
were
so
many
things
that
were
happening
with
the
hearings
that
we
had
and
decisions
that
were
previously
made
by
the
iraq
commission
and
bringing
it
to
council
that
there
was
this
momentum
to
have.
Everyone
come
to
the
table,
and
it's
also
important
to
note
that
when
you
do
a
mediation,
it
really
is
important
to
have
all
the
parties
who
are
involved
in
this.
J
My
second
question
is
the
there
was
a
statement
made
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
there
are
only
15
cities
in
california,
where
the
cpi
is
this
high
and
thousand
oaks
is
one
of
them.
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
the
the
actual
reference
was,
but
how
does
thousand
oaks
fare
in
comparison
in
comparison
to
other
cities?.
O
Well,
maybe
mr
sheeta
has
that
information.
I
will
just
say
this
that
again,
it's
very
important
to
note
that
in
our
particular
case
we
had
a
an
agreement
that
set
forth
the
components
of
this
formula
in
every
every
city.
Every
case
there's
a
different
form.
There
can
be
different
formulas
that
are
applied.
What
the
courts
really
want
to
make
sure
is
that
there
is
a
formula
it
is
applied
appropriately.
O
There's
evidence
to
support
it,
things
of
that
nature,
and
in
our
case,
if
you
it's
important
to
note
that
in
2011
to
2017
the
cpi
was
75
of
the
cpi
and
then
in
2017.
Pursuant
to
this
negotiated
agreement,
that's
when
it
went
to
100
of
cpi,
so
that
was
something
that
was
negotiated.
So
when
we
talk
about
other
formulas,
yes
they're
out
there,
the
concern
would
be
that
this
was
we're
focused
on
ours,
because
that
was
what
negotiated
and
that's.
What's
on
the
that's?
O
What's
before
us,
that's
what
we
have
to
work
with
the
other
issue.
Is
you
brought
up
the
social
security?
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
that
it's
difficult,
also
apples
and
oranges
for
each
person,
because
you
can
have
a
new
mobile
home
and
bring
as
a
coach
owner
and
bring
it
into
a
park
and
now
you're
paying
market
rate
for
that
time
period.
When
you
write
when
you
move
in,
so
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
history.
J
And
my
last
question
for
now
the
third
question
is
that
obviously
we
all
have
received
phone
calls
here
from
the
residents
and
for
many
eight
and
a
half
percent
increase
is,
is
really
unsustainable
and
when
you
get
a
call
from
someone
on
the
verge
of
tears,
saying
please
help
me
because
I
will
be
homeless.
We
also
have
to
consider
we
are
dealing
with
a
homelessness
issue
and
what
steps
can
we
take
in
order
to
perhaps
renegotiate
before
some
of
the
residents
that
have
been
in
their
homes?
J
For
so
long
will
be
added
to
the
long
list
of
homeless
and
unsheltered
persons
in
our
city.
So
I'm
sure
we
will
have
more
discussion,
but
to
me
it
is
not
an
option.
The
status
quo
is
not
an
option
and
I
would
certainly
want
to
pursue
some
sort
of
negotiation
or
discussion
or
start
a
talk
with
the
landlords
and
see,
if
they're
open
to
that.
Thank
you.
C
C
O
Oh
items
are
probably
going
to
be
on
the
table
because
when
you
you
have
to
bring
everybody
to
the
table,
I
think,
as
I
said
earlier,
it's
imperative.
In
fact
I
would.
I
would
be
bold
to
say
that
if
you
don't
have
everyone
participating,
then
you
have
a
problem
right
off
the
bat.
So
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you
would
have
all
participants,
both
all
owners
and
all
tenant
representatives
at
the
table.
If
you
don't
have
that
it's
extremely
difficult.
O
It's
a
it's
a
big
hit
for
for
them,
and
we
understand
that
inflation
has
hit
the
city
hit,
the
state
hit
the
nation
and
we
have
increases
in
rent
both
for
you
know,
market
rate
apartments,
all
kinds
of
things
that
we
see
with
food
and
with
the
products
etc.
So
we're
all
feeling
that
impact-
and
particularly
this
case,
the
cpi
for
the
last
10
years,
hasn't
been
8.5.
C
It
looked
like
in
2011
when
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance
was
rehashed,
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
horse
trading
and
I
haven't
talked
I
wasn't
around
in
those
days,
so
I
don't
know
exactly
what
happened.
It's
not
look!
How
horse
trading
was
going
on,
where
the
obviously
the
rent
renters
wanted
some
some
some
guarantees
of
a
lower
rate,
but
but
then
the
owners
came
in
with
a
sunset
on
the
the
75
of
cpi
and
everything
in
in
exchange.
For
something
else,
can
you
go
a
little
bit
more
into
that.
O
Actually,
I
I
I
can't
I'm
not
sure
if
miss
noonan
can
the
mediation
itself
was
confidential
and
I
was,
I
actually
did
not
participate
in
the
mediation
itself.
What
I
want
to
point
out,
though,
is
that,
based
upon
all
that
negotiation
with
andy
foxx
as
a
mediator,
they
came
to
an
agreement
and
the
agreement
is
what
we
have
that
we
know
happened.
So
it's
hard
to
say
what
happened
with
the,
as
you
said,
horse
trading
and
both
back
and
forth.
O
Obviously
that
went
on,
but
as
to
the
mediation
soft
that
was
confidential,
except
for
the
agreement
once
the
agreement
was
made,
that
comes
to
council
and
then
council's
action
was
to
adopt
an
ordinance
to
reflect
that
negotiated
agreement
with
all
these
different
parts.
And
again
the
formulas
that
you
can
use
can
vary.
But
this
is
the
formula
that
was
agreed
to
by
the
park
owners
and
the
tenants
and
that's
what's
qualified,
and
that
was
what
was
qualified
in
2011.
C
O
I
personally
did
not
speak
to
them.
I
would
say
that,
from
my
understanding
is,
is
this
that
they
were
asked
about
the
8.5
percent?
We
know
that
one
park
owner
has
said
that
they
are
not
going
to
ask
for
8.5
they're
going
to
ask
for
six,
but
the
other
ones
have
said
we're
going
to
go
with
what
the
ordinance
says,
which
is
within
their
right
with
in
the
regulation
within
the
ordinance.
But
it's
also
important
note
that
this
is
a
10-year
time
period.
O
Okay,
with
with
this
negotiated
time
period,
and
so
there
were
give
and
take
over
this
10-year
period,
some
of
the
things
that
they
could
not
do.
For
example,
they
could
not
ask
for
a
they
could
not
apply
for
a
just
in
a
reasonable
application.
They
could
not
say
you
know
what
I
don't
want
to
have
this,
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
very
difficult
process,
but
a
process
to
make
it
for
sale,
for
example,
a
subdivide.
O
F
Well,
the
the
issue
of
social
security
came
up.
I
think
it
did
didn't
it,
and
I
I
know
this
year.
I
think
it
was
increased
5.9
which
didn't
cover
inflation,
but
was
the
biggest
increase
in
40
years.
The
good
news,
if
there
is
any
in
this
whole
situation,
is
the
cpi
was
announced
today
at
8.3
came
down
a
little
bit
not
as
much
as
the
federal
reserve
would
have
liked.
F
So
now
we're
talking
next
year,
eight
to
ten
percent,
social
security
increase
and
and
some
people
are
calling
for
11,
which
would
be
by
far
the
biggest
increase
on
an
average
social
security
recipient.
I'm
reading
another
160
170
a
month,
so
we'll
have
to
see.
If
that
comes
about,
I
mean
the
ideally,
the
federal
reserve
would
get
inflation
under
control,
which
is
they're
desperately
trying
to
do.
That's
why
they
keep
raising
interest
rates
so
we'll
have
to
see
how
that
all
plays
out.
F
But
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
know
this
or
not,
but
the
state
of
california
is
offering
a
tax
refund
as
well,
calling
it
a
inflation
relief
for
people
that
have
filed
you're.
Looking
at
an
extra
39
bucks
a
month
for
married
couples,
a
hundred
and
if
you
haven't
filed
because
you
didn't
make
enough
incomes,
you
didn't
have
to
file.
There's
a
supplemental
security
income
state
supplemental
program
that
would
get
you
I
you
know.
I
got
that
wrong.
F
The
refund
is
350
for
single
700
for
married,
and
if
you
didn't
file,
you
can
qualify
for
an
extra
40
bucks
a
month
and
if
you're
a
married,
an
extra
hundred,
so
the
state
of
california
is
trying
to
provide
inflation
relief
as
well
as
social
security,
whether
it
works
or
not
just
depends
on
where
inflation
is
going
to
go.
The
next
couple
of
years.
C
C
Let's,
let
me
try
there,
it
is
again
loose
wire,
very
good.
We
do
have
some
public
speakers
I'll
call
your
name
I'll
call
a
couple
of
names
and
then,
if
you
could
come
up
to
the
podium
and
then
you'll
be
ready
to
go
our
first
speaker
tonight
is
luanne
christie,
followed
by
karen
haskins
and
gary
barnett.
You
will
have
three
minutes.
P
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
honorable
city
council
members,
my
name
is
luanne
christie
and
I
have
been
a
homeowner
at
thunderbird
oaks
for
the
past
five
years.
I'm
asking
each
of
you
to
listen
with
an
open
mind
with
open
minds
and
perhaps
even
put
yourself
in
our
position.
While
this
topic
is
being
addressed,
you're
right
there
for
the
past
10
years,
there
has
been
a
run,
stabilization
ordinance
deal
in
place
that
has
served
both
the
homeowners
and
the
park
owners
as
well.
P
P
P
The
monthly
in
their
monthly
income
has
to
cover
all
of
their
living
expenses,
including,
but
not
limited
to
their
monthly
mortgage
if
they
have
one
food,
clothing
and
medical
utilities,
auto
expenses
and,
of
course,
the
space
rents.
For
me
personally,
I
still
work,
and
yet
I
already
struggle
to
make
ends
meet
financially.
P
P
P
You
can
see
from
this
other
chart
that
I
have
that
the
rent
increases
have
only
been
between
one
and
three
percent
each
year
based
on
100
percent
of
the
cpi,
and
this
is
from
2012
to
2022,
and
now
our
rent
is
going
up
by
eight
and
a
half
percent,
which
is
a
hundred
percent
of
cpi.
The
increase
is
going
to
impact
all
mobile
park
homeowners
harshly.
P
N
However,
in
2022,
because
of
an
extremely
high
inflation
rate,
the
cpi
figure
used
to
calculate
our
rent
as
we've
all
just
heard
and
discussed
increased
to
eight
point.
Five
percent
prior
history
shows
that
eight
point
five
percent
is
an
anal
anomaly.
Excuse
me
and
clearly
documents
why
a
cap
on
the
cpi
is
needed.
A
cap
guarantees
the
ongoing
integrity
of
the
rso
by
preventing
inordinately
high
rent
increases
caused
by
inflation.
N
N
I
I
I
I
I
Q
Good
evening,
mayor
council
and
staff,
I'm
george
rosenthal
from
ventu
estates,
2023
social
security
cola
increases-
are
not
enough
for
retirees.
Retiree
expenses
are
increasing
faster
than
ever
in
40
years,
as
measured
by
the
bureau
of
labor
statistics.
Consumer
price
index
prices
for
essentials,
like
food
gas
utilities,
are
all
up
substantially.
Over
last
year,
food
prices
have
risen,
10.9
gas
has
jumped
50
percent
utility
prices
are
up.
19
percent.
Q
Q
Q
Q
That's
an
all-encompassing
average
which
includes
food
clothing,
shelter,
fuels,
transportation,
doctors,
etc.
Average
lent
rent
has
increased
due
to
cpi.
Over
the
last
10
years,
around
3
percent
citi
has
allowed
land
owners
to
increase
rent
15
percent.
Each
time
a
house
was
sold
for
seven
years
and
10
percent
thereafter
and
now
an
8.5
percent
increase
on
top
of
that
is
resulting
in
a
cpi
foreign
excess.
Q
Q
M
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
good
evening,
council,
members
and
staff,
my
name
is
lin
young,
I'm
a
very
new
mobile
home
owner
of
two
months
at
eventual
villa
this
park
is
the
55
and
older.
I
don't
want
to
be
there.
I
don't
want
to
be
here
tonight
either.
This
all
happened
too
soon
I
was
told
the
rent
increased,
probably
three
percent,
and
but
then
this
whole
thing
just
happened.
I
learned
about
8.5
percent
increase
at
well
new
welcome
newcomers.
Instead
of
a
cake,
I
got
a
8.5
increase
anyways.
M
I
heard
about
the
gentleman
said
about
this
negotiation
in
1996.
That
negotiation
is
the
confidential
between
the
park
owners
and
the
residents
but
the,
but
that
probably
only
between
the
the
rental
and
the
thunderbird.
What
about
the
six
other
residents?
My
suggestion
before
I
run
out
of
time
is
that
because
the
landowners
has
not
provided
application
at
this
time,
all
of
you
should
step
in
to
suggest.
M
Maybe
we
can
renegotiate,
because
that
no
cap
was
taken
away
by
the
because
they
agreed
not
by
the
ordinance,
not
by
your
authority
but
by
agreement,
but
that
agreement
expired
in
2021.
Therefore,
right
now
we
have
a
new.
We
have
a
time
to
do
the
new
negotiation.
I
think
that's
the
win-win
situation
from
there.
We
can
take
it
up
to
say
who's
sue.
Everybody
will
lose.
Let's
agree,
okay,
so
now
that
being
said,
the
the
all
of
you
city,
members
or
council
members,
I'm
also
learning
about
this
political
term.
M
M
And
also
I
print
out
from
city
of
thousand
oaks.
It
also
says
you
would
provide
excellent
community
service
in
a
fair,
efficient
and
responsive
manner
and
to
promote
public
confidence
and
trust
you're
facing
thousand
mobile
home
families
versus
eight
mobile
homeland
owners.
We're
not
talking
about
emotion,
we're
talking
about
legally,
you
have
a
duty
to
speak,
for
your
fellow
residents
does
eight
mobile
owners.
None
of
them
live
here,
none
of
them
vote
for
you.
M
Now,
let's
talk
about
the
ordinance,
the
ordinance
chapter
25,
it
says
you
know
the
hardship,
whatever
blah
blah
low
income.
Everything
60.
You
all
heard
that
now
the
point
is
this:
in
2020
in
19
2020
you
took
away
the
cap
now
put
it
back
because
you
have
the
authority
to
do
so
and
also
to
the
the
8.5
increase
does
cause
the
excessive
hardship
on
the
renters
based
on
the
chapter.
35
and
also
the
five
percent
cap
does
not
deprive
the
ownership's
jazz
and
reasonable
rate
of
return.
M
C
N
N
N
N
They
filed
two
lawsuits
threatening
to
blow
the
city's
house
down
to
appease
them.
It
was
the
city,
not
homeowners,
who
initiated
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance.
The
origins
was
pitched
as
a
big
program
for
seniors.
In
truth,
as
administered
it
gifted
land
owners,
an
return
of
70
on
the
backs
of
seniors
and
for
what
the
wolves
live
elsewhere.
They
float
our
millions
of
rent
dollars
down
the
river
on
huck
finn's
raft
right
into
some
other
city's
coffers.
N
Foolishly,
we're
left
with
a
rent
destabilization
system,
contributing
to
poverty,
homelessness
and
more
loss
to
small
business.
We
asked
for
a
cap
a
year
ago,
still
you
sit
on
your
dice
clean
up.
This
mess
task,
your
city
attorney
to
find
a
legal
means
to
cap
the
cpi
to
protect
us
balance,
interests
to
assure
both
fair
returns
and
reasonable
rents.
N
N
R
Mr
mayor
council,
members,
staff
and
fellow
homeowners,
my
name
is
george
senko.
I
live
in
thunderbird
oaks,
I'm
addressing
agenda
item
10a.
I
have
two
engineering
degrees
and
an
mba.
I
helped
put
the
surveyor
on
the
moon
and
designed
the
first
ever
in
the
world
digital
flight
control
system
for
the
f-106
interceptor.
R
As
to
the
rso
system,
it's
unstable,
supposedly,
it
was
designed
to
deliver
results
for
mobile
home
owners
and
landowners.
Mhos
were
concerned
last
year
about
coming
problems.
We
were
surprised
the
city
only
rubber
stamped
the
2011
rso
in
2021,
with
only
minor
changes.
We
expected
a
complete
review.
Mhos
asked
for
a
cap
at
that
time.
R
R
R
R
R
R
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
G
Good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
members
and
staff,
I'm
jimmy
washington
and
I
am
a
I
live
in
ventu
park.
I
am
a
retired
army
veteran
and
a
former
social
worker
with
the
veterans
administration
as
a
re
adjustment,
counseling
therapist
with
the
va
I
assisted
former
military
combat
veterans
and
their
families
suffering
from
post-traumatic
stress
disorder.
G
G
Fear
has
both
physical
and
mental
characteristics.
A
person
who
is
in
the
state
of
fear
carries
with
them.
Thoughts
of
worry
impending
doom
anticipates
a
catastrophe,
feels
threatened
by
people
or
events
has
a
desire
to
escape
fears,
losing
control
being
rejected
or
abandoned.
The
person
can
eventually
fall
into
a
state
of
depression
and
feelings
of
hopelessness.
G
G
G
G
G
I
City,
council,
members
and
staff-
thank
you
for
listening
to
us
this
evening.
I
really
appreciate
it.
My
talk
this
evening
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
spent
more
than
40
years
in
the
business
of
helping
seniors.
I
ran
retirement
communities.
I
was
an
executive
director.
The
communities
I
worked
for
were
all
not-for-profit,
which
meant
that
we
had
a
safety
net
for
our
people.
We
provided
housing,
meals,
activities,
housekeeping
and
so
on.
I
If
they
ran
out
of
money,
we
took
care
of
them,
didn't
matter
we're
faced
with
something
very
different
here
and
let
me
just
back
up:
we
hired
a
phd.
This
was
back
about
35
years
ago
and
he
came
in
to
give
us
characteristics
of
our
residents,
so
we
could
better
serve
them
and
one
of
the
keys
was
these
were
depression
people
they
were
scared.
The
banks
had
had
left
them
high
and
dry.
The
government
left
them
high
and
dry
and
they
had
suffered.
I
They
were
nervous
about
money
we,
as
their
children,
took
on
some
of
that.
We
are
nervous,
we're
scared,
but
we
are
better
prepared,
except
when
we
get
to
be
80
or
90,
and
we
are
beset
with
infirmities
and
have
to
bear
the
cost
of
dental
implants,
hearing
aids,
wheelchair
lifts
and
so
on.
It's
a
scary
thing.
So
along
comes
an
8.5
increase
and
I
can
tell
you
from
the
people.
I
talk
to
they're
scared,
they're,
nervous,
they're,
angry
they're
upset,
they
are
traumatized
and
I'm
hoping
somewhere.
I
We
can
find
a
middle
ground
here
to
help
them
out.
Their
feelings
are
real,
not
necessarily
logical.
Many
of
us
are
going
to
be
getting
probably
a
9
or
10
social
security
increase.
It's
going
to
cover
a
lot
of
this,
but
not
everything
somewhere
here,
I
hope,
there's
some
middle
ground.
I
was
pleased
to
hear
this
evening
about
the
safety
net
that
this
city
has
between
many
mansions,
the
food
banks,
habitat
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
don't
think
anybody
needs
to
be
sent
away
or
lose
their
home
here.
I
S
S
S
I
have
to
pay
for
the
sewer
all
the
utilities,
because
they
read
everything
they
don't
they
don't
we
don't
have
any
accounts
with
so
in
california,
edison
or
anything
they
handle
all
that
situation
and
then,
by
the
time
with
my
retirement
income.
By
the
time
I
pay
for
my
or
my
car
insurance,
my
home
insurance.
S
S
S
By
the
time
I
pay
for
everything
else,
my
my
balance
becomes
a
lot
smaller,
which
again,
like
I
told
mentioned
it
to
you
guys
last
time.
I
know
because
about
the
your
food
and
your
drinks
and
everything
else
are
what
is
what
kind
of
food
are
you
going
to
be?
Having
are
you
going
to
have
enough
food
for
one
month
and
in
effect,
it
will
end
up
in
this
area
and
that
affecting
more
likely,
it's
going
to
end
up
affecting
all
the
seniors,
because
you
have
to
be
a
senior
you
have
to
be
retired.
S
S
And
I
also
I'm
also
willing,
because
being
in
the
hotel
industry
for
over
40
years,
I'm
willing
to
if
you
guys
require
any
volunteer
I'd,
be
more
than
happy
to
become
your
volunteer
after
the
after
this
coming
monday.
Because
I
have
to
I'm
be
volunteering
for
the
boys
and
girls
for
the
boys
and
girls.
Club
golf
course
for
the
moore
park
and
simi
valley.
Q
Good
evening,
mayor
council,
members
and
city
staff,
I'm
jeff
schwartz
from
thousand
oaks.
These
are
tough
problems.
I
know
the
issue
is
not
do
we
need
to
do
something
about
the
problem.
The
issue
is
what
are
the
best
solutions
to
this
problem?
Rent
control
is
a
policy
where
government
caps
the
rental
price
of
units.
This
has
political
appeal
because
it
seems
like
an
easy
fix,
but
few
people
know
about
the
unintended
negative
consequences
of
government
rent
control
laws.
Q
Rent
control
units
have
abnormally
local
low
vacancy
rates,
because
tenants
know
they're
receiving
a
bargain
and
they
don't
move.
This
prevents
turnover
that
normally
occurs
in
healthy,
real
estate
markets.
Newcomers
or
existing
tenants,
not
lucky
enough
to
live
in
a
rent,
controlled
unit
have
to
compete
for
the
limited
remaining
stock
of
market
rate
housing.
This
raises
the
rents
for
all
of
us
who
are
not
living
in
a
rent
controlled
unit.
Rent
control
may
keep
housing
affordable
for
some,
but
it
makes
it
less
affordable
for
everyone
else.
Q
There
are
numerous
other
negative
unintended
consequences
of
rent
control,
rent
control,
misallocates
resources.
It
leads
to
under
maintenance
of
properties.
It
raises
government
compliance
costs,
it
requires
a
bureaucracy
to
administer
and
enforce
the
rent,
control
laws
and
it
stifles
new
construction.
Another
problem
with
rent
control
is
that
it
violates
private
property
rights.
Our
country
was
built
on
the
principle
of
strong
private
property
rights.
Q
Q
The
answer
to
this
lies
in
free,
voluntary
action
of
individuals
in
our
community,
such
as
family
members,
friends,
neighbors,
churches,
synagogues
or
voluntary,
non-profit
organizations.
We
already
have
many
voluntary
organizations
that
are
successfully
improving.
Our
community
examples
include
the
salvation
army,
rotary
club,
kiwanis
club,
lions,
club
and
chamber
of
commerce.
We
should
take
the
lead
from
these
voluntary
organizations
and
push
even
harder
to
use
voluntary
means
to
help
the
poor
and
the
elderly
in
our
community,
I'm
jeff
schwartz
from
thousand
oaks.
Thank
you.
C
C
O
Thank
you
mayor.
I
do
want
to
make
clear
for
the
record
that,
when
we
had
the
mediation
in
2010
to
2011
all
park
owners,
all
resident
groups
from
each
park
in
the
city
participated
in
the
mediation
participate
in
these
days
of
mediation,
except
for
the
residents
of
ranch
mobile
home
park.
So
it
wasn't
a
few
of
them.
It
was
all
of
them,
except
for
ranch
mobile
home
park.
That's
first.
Second,
the
parties
in
this
mediation,
both
owners
and
the
resident
groups.
They
are
the
parties
they
negotiated
back
and
forth
and
agreed
to
the
formula.
O
That
is
what
is
in
our
ordinance.
These
items
include
things
such
as,
and
these
were
bargained
for
the
ability
to
bring
a
just
and
reasonable
rate
of
return
application.
That
was
something
that
was
put
on
pause
for
10
years,
the
ability
to
subdivide
the
property
that
was
put
on
pause,
also
the
formula
how
how
what
percentage
of
the
cpi
and
again
in
this
case
it
was
negotiated
from
them
that
would
be
75
of
cpi,
from
2011
to
2017
and
from
2017
to
the
current.
It
would
be
a
hundred
percent
of
cpi
again,
that
is
negotiated.
O
The
cap
there
was
a
cap
before
it
seven
percent
that
was
negotiated.
There
is
no
cap
in
the
ordinance,
because
that
was
what
was
negotiated
between
the
groups,
the
owners
and
the
residents,
and
it's
imperative
that
everyone
understands
that
this
ordinance
is
reflective
of
that
agreement.
It
is
not
something
that
the
city
made
up.
It
is
reflective
of
that
negotiated
time
period
over
those
days
and
the
mediation
in
the
city.
O
T
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
few
things
I
think
one
of
the
previous
speakers
talked
about
compassion
and
that
the
city
council
needs
to
show
compassion
for
what's
happening
and-
and
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
you
know
when,
when
my
office,
the
city
attorney's
office
looks
at
this
issue,
we
always
address
it
from
a
state
of
compassion
for
the
residents
and
it
might
not
seem
that
way,
but
we
always
try
to
do
our
level
best
to
look
at
it.
From
from
another
point
of
view,
I
have
family,
that's
struggling
financially.
T
Everyone
is
struggling
financially
right.
Now
we
get
that.
It's
not
an
easy.
It's
not
an
easy
issue.
Rent
control,
especially
when
it
comes
to
mobile
home
parks,
is
extremely
complex.
The
state
basically
controls
95
percent
of
what
happens
in
a
mobile
home
park.
Cities
have
very
limited
ability
to
control
what
happens
in
mobile
home
parks
very
limited.
The
city
of
thousand
oaks
actually
is
one
of
a
very
few
number
of
cities
in
the
entire
state
of
california.
T
T
It's
the
city
council,
because
ultimately,
it's
up
to
the
city
council,
what
they're
going
to
do,
whether
they
direct
staff
to
ask
the
owners
and
the
residents
to
meet
and
try
to
renegotiate
the
ordinance,
whether
they
direct
staff
to
just
unilaterally
change
it,
the
the
formula
or
whether
they
direct
staff
to
just
leave
it
alone.
Ultimately,
it's
up
to
the
city
council,
but
I,
but
I
want
you
all.
T
I
hope
you
all
know
that
we
look
at
this
from
a
very
rounded
perspective,
and
we
hear
you,
we
hear
the
pain
we
hear
the
concerns
that
you
all
are
experiencing
again.
Our
own
families
are
experiencing
the
same
levels
of
struggle
that
a
lot
of
you
in
this
room
are
too,
and
I
I
when
I,
when
I
look
at
this
rent
stabilization
ordinance
I'll
tell
you.
T
I
was
here
when
we
litigated
the
last
time,
and
my
number
one
concern
at
that
time
was
that
if
the
city
lost,
if
we
had
lost
that
lawsuit,
rent
control
would
have
been
gone,
it
would
have
disappeared,
not
a
single
one
of
you
would
be
protected
by
rent
control,
not
a
single
one
of
you
would
be
protected
from
eviction,
not
a
single
one
of
you
would
have
had
any
protections
at
all.
Had
we
lost
that
lawsuit,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
perspectives
that
I
look
at
every
time
we
tweak
it.
T
Those
are
some
of
the
factors
that
we
have
to
weigh
when
we're
looking
at
this
you're
right,
8.5
percent
is,
is
just
ridiculous
right
now
it
is
ridiculous,
but
if
I
make
a
change,
if
council
directs
us
to
make
a
change,
is
the
risk
too
high?
That's
the
question.
The
city
council
has
to
ask
themselves,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
whatever
they
decide,
because
I
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
decide,
but
whatever
they
decide.
T
I
hope
you
will
understand
that
they
are
looking
at
this
from
a
state
of
compassion
but
they're,
also
looking
at
it
from
a
state
of
their
fiduciary
obligations
to
the
taxpayer.
The
risks
involved,
with
making
changes
to
the
ordinance
and
they're.
Also
looking
at
from
a
perspective
of
how
best
can
I
protect
you
right
now.
It
is
a
very
complex
area
of
the
law.
Incredibly
complex
and
and
the
city
has
very
limited
options
in
this
case,
so
I
just
wanted
to
just
say
a
few
words,
so
I
hope
you
understand.
T
This
is
coming
sincerely
from
my
heart
and
I
hope
you
understand
that
this
is
it's
not
just
a
business
decision.
It's
not
just
a.
We
ignore
it
because
we
don't
want
to
deal
with
it.
That's
not
it
at
all.
It
truly
is
a
balancing
and
an
analysis
that
we
all
have
to
do
when
we're
looking
at
these
types
of
very
complex
and
very
emotional
issues.
So
thank
you.
F
F
Q
Yeah
council
member
adam,
we
did
reach
out
to
every
park
owner.
The
only
question
that
was
posed
to
them
was
they
would
they
reconsider
or
consider
an
adjustment
to
the
rates
increases
that
were
scheduled?
So
the
question
was
not
asked,
would
you
you
know
in
enter
into
mediation,
or
would
you
pursue
that
avenue.
F
F
F
Q
F
Of
a
dose
of
realism,
but
I
wanted
to
hear
you
know
here
you
to
hear
what
the
how
the
park
owners
responded
we
did
reach
out
with
in
hopes
that
they
would
say.
Well,
you
know
what
maybe
we
can
work
with
you,
but
it
didn't
happen
and
then
I
think
patrick
said
to
have
a
true
negotiation.
We
need
everybody
there.
Do
we
not.
That
is
correct.
F
A
H
Add
on
to
that,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
from
a
point
of
clarity.
You
know
the
council
heard
concerns
from
residents,
and
so
so
staff
proactively
had
conversations
with
those
park
owners.
Those
conversations
were
confined
because
we
did
not
have
council
direction
right.
So
there's
no
way
you
can
have
a
discussion
with
with
these
owners
about
something
that
we
don't
have
council
direction
behind
so
first
and
foremost.
Secondly,
in
in
that
discussion,
we
shared
the
concerns
we're
hearing
from
residents.
H
Many
of
them
were
aware
of
of
those
concerns
to
a
certain
extent
and
and
asked
if
there
was
any
consideration
or
they
had
in
consideration
for
any
additional
flexibility.
We
had
to
be
very
careful
in
how
you
frame
those
conversations,
because
these
folks
are
operating
within
an
adopted
ordinance
by
the
city,
council
and
so
they're
operating
within
the
the
four
walls
of
the
law,
and
so
those
conversations
were
very
focused
and
but
done
at
the
behest
of
of
all
of
you
and
trying
to
to
see
if
there
was
any
even
monochrome
of
brokerage.
There.
F
E
You
mayor,
while
I
was
going
through
my
studies
working
a
40-hour
week,
job
and
by
the
time
you
pay
off
all
the
bills,
you're
left
with
20
and
the
insurance
bill
had
not
yet
arrived.
So
I
understand
the
concern
that
this
increase
in
your
rent
will
cause
a
choice
of.
Do
I
pay
this
bill
that
bill
eat
or
not
eat,
and
I'm
glad
we
have
support
services
as
a
safety
net
here
in
this
community.
E
The
challenge
that
I
have
is
that
I
look
at
this.
Current
presidential
administration
put
five
trillion
dollars
of
stimulus
into
the
economy.
That
means
too
many
dollars
chasing
around
chasing
too
few
goods.
Creating
this
inflation
we've
reduced
the
amount
of
oil
and
natural
gas
we've
produced
and
are
not
exporting,
as
we
did
in
previous
administrations,
where
oil
was
at
50
a
barrel.
F
E
E
E
So
I
understand
what
you're
going
through
I've
been
there
done
that
and
it's
a
difficult
situation
to
be
in
what
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
is
that
the
inflation
we're
experiencing
is
the
result
of
decisions
out
of
washington,
where
we
have
five
trillion
dollars.
That's
been
put
into
this
economy
to
stimulate
it
and
it's
too
much
money
change
chasing
too
few
goods.
Thus
the
inflation
has
increased.
E
We
also
have
seen
oil
prices
increase,
because
we
are
no
longer
net
exporting
oil
keeping
oil
down
to
fifty
dollars
a
barrel.
It's
now
over
a
hundred
dollars
a
barrel,
so
gasoline
prices
have
increased
to
the
point
where
we
are
sending
money
over
to
countries
that
want
the
united
states
wiped
off
the
face
of
the
earth
and
our
dollars
are
leaving
the
country.
E
So
what
is
happening
in
washington
with
their
policies
affecting
us
here
on
the
local
level
and
you're
experiencing
the
high
inflation?
My
question
to
mr
meeher
here
question
for
you,
mr.
If
I
can
write
down
his
name.
Mr
barnett
brought
up
an
excellent
point.
When
I
went
through
my
economics
courses,
they
speak
of
core
c
core
cpi
and
cpi
core
cpi,
meaning
it
eliminates
energy
costs
as
well
as
food,
because
those
are
up
and
down
in
pricing
and
that's
not
a
very
good
indicator
when
you
include
that
with
the
cpi
number.
E
O
P
E
O
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I
would
say
that
again,
it
goes
to
the
definition
that
we
have
in
the
index
and,
as
ms
said,
we've
used
that
same
calculation
that
same
definition
for
at
least
as
long
as
I've
been
here
during
the
ordinance
that
we've
had
so
it's
the
same
definition.
The
same
use
same
application.
The
difference
was
75
of
it
versus
100
of
it.
E
N
E
Appreciate
you
clarifying
that
and
the
last
one
is.
Mr
schwartz
brings
up
an
excellent
point
about
how
yes,
we've
got
rent
control
here
and
nowhere
else
in
the
city.
Do
we
have
it
and
rent
control
actually
is
disruptive
in
the
economy,
because
people
don't
want
to
come
in
and
build
more
housing
because
of
it.
J
So
that
is
why
I
would
very
much
like
to
see
if
we
could
begin
a
negotiation
with
council
approval
and
see
where
that
goes.
I
mean
it
could
very
well
be
that
it
will
go
nowhere,
but
at
least
in
the
very
least
we
should
give
it
a
shot.
I
don't
think
that
any
of
the
residents
here
tonight
are
going
to
call
their
senators
over
energy
issues
and
all
of
that,
because
the
clock
is
ticking
november,
1st
is
coming
up.
J
J
It
wasn't
quite
the
way
it
went,
but
nonetheless
it
did
bring
temporary
relief
and
I
wouldn't
like
to
see
the
city
renegotiating
everything
every
10
years.
There
has
to
be
some
sort
of
consistency,
but
again
you
know
I
don't
have
any
additional
or
any
questions
right
now,
rather
than
observation,
and
just
my
own
opinion
and
statement
as
to
what
I
think
we
could
do
for
the
time
being,.
K
The
problem
with
the
free
enterprise
system
is
that
if
you
applied
it
to
the
essentials
of
life,
food,
clothing
and
shelter,
if
you
don't
have
competition
from
the
many
many,
the
theory
of
free
enterprise
is
everybody
competes
and
the
only
way
you
get
business?
Is
you
lower
your
price
and
increase
your
quality?
Well,
when
you
have
a
item
that
is
in
limited
supply
such
as
housing
that
won't
work,
okay,
people
don't
have
to
make
the
prices
lower
or
the
quality
better
if
they're
the
only
game
in
town.
K
You
know,
philosophical
debates
on
economics
are
interesting,
but
they
don't
solve
anything.
We
need
to
say:
where
are
we
now?
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
weren't
here
10
years
ago,
and
they
don't
you
know,
know
what
happened.
The
city
made
a
great
investment
of
time
and
money
and
so
forth
to
to
try
to
help
and
had
a
lawsuit
and
spent
a
million
dollars.
So
you
know
the
city
are
the
is
the
good
guys
here,
but
now
the
question
is:
doesn't
do
us
any
good
to
talk
about
the
past?
K
To
my
mind,
I
don't
know
of
any
more
economic
housing
than
mobile
home
parks.
I
think
it's
the
last
step.
You
know
before
homelessness
and
I
think
some
people
here
tonight
are
really
in
fear,
and
we
don't
want
that,
so
we
want
to
do
whatever
we
can
do.
I
agree
with
claudia
that
we
should
try
some
more
negotiations.
K
K
I
I
would
like
to
do
whatever
we
can
do
and,
as
I
say
I
I
agree
that
we
should
try
to
negotiate
some
more
of
it,
because
I'm
I'm
afraid
of
what's
going
to
happen
after
november
1st,
I
don't
want
to
see
you
know,
we've
got
too
many
people
that
are
homeless
now
we're
doing
our
best,
but
it
I
think
it
would
be
not
only
humane
but
it'd,
be
cheaper
to
keep
people
in
mobile
homes
than
on
the
street.
Is
that
going
to
be
good
I'd?
K
Rather,
the
city
spend
a
little
money
if
we
have
to
to
try
to
keep
these
people
above
water
and-
and
you
know,
with
the
rip
over
there
is
I
I
I
that
gentleman
that
spoke
about
the
elements
of
fear
and
the
different
stages.
I
mean
that
is
so
depressing
to
think
about
what
many
people
may
be
going
through
right
now.
K
So
I
think
we're
the
court
of
last
resort
here
and
I,
my
my
what
I
would
favor
would
be
one
last.
How
long
is
it
to
november?
First,
it's
what
a
month
and
a
half
I
I
think
we
ought
to
mr
mayor.
We
ought
to
try
one
more
time
at
some
kind
of
negotiation
and
if
that
doesn't
work,
I
I
think
we
ought
to
put
on
a
cab.
K
K
Nice
of
me
to
be
free
with
the
city's
money,
but
that's
not
my
point:
what
what
is
it
going
to
cost
if
we
all
of
a
sudden
have
a
few
hundred
people
homeless
and
on
the
street
you
know,
but
I
I
I
I
don't
want
to
go
on
forever,
but
I
think
you
have
my
point.
We
need
to
do
something
before
november.
First.
F
Well,
I
mean
ed.
No
one
on
this
council
disagrees
that
our
mobile
home
parks
are
the
bastion
of
affordable
housing
here
in
the
city,
and
we
need
them
desperately
and
that
a
lot
of
people
really
depend
on
that
situation,
and
I,
I
believe,
over
the
last
ten
years.
You
know
the
city
has
worked
hard
to
keep
this
situation
stable
and
yes,
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
we
got
a
situation
that
came
up
that
wasn't
here
last
year,
the
year
before
the
year
before
the
year
before
I'll,
say
this.
F
If
we
embark
on
some
kind
of
a
utili
unilateral
change
of
the
cpi
rate
that
we
that
was
agreed
on
as
a
council,
I
think
we
are
opening
ourselves
up
to
some
very
dire
consequences.
I
think
that
the
owners
will
hit
us
with
just
and
reasonable
return
requests
immediately
and
they'll
litigate
if
we
are
to
arbitrarily
change
it
now.
As
far
as
the
negotiation
point.
F
F
I'm
not
going
to
defend
the
owners
one
way
or
another
point
being
that
I
mean
I,
although
I'm
I
I'm
not
real
certain
about
the
kind
of
success
we
have.
I
I
would
be
amenable
if
the
council
wants
to
proceed
with
some
sort
of
negotiation
with
the
owners,
as
you
as
you
suggest,
under
the
direction
of
the
council
and,
like
you
yourself
said,
may
not
get
us
anywhere,
but
I
I
suppose
it's
worth
a
try.
C
T
J
H
Lot
of
different
pieces
right,
so
we've
heard
discussion.
We
we
all
recognize
that
we're
operating
under
an
existing
legally
adopted
ordinance
today,
so
there's
discussion
about
a
basically
a
retroactive
asking
to
go
back
as
it
relates
to
this
year
right.
So
that's
one
buck
one
bucket
back
up
again.
What
did
you
just
say?
Well,
there
seems
to
be
discussion
about
this
year's
rate
increase
that's
on
the
table
for
november.
H
The
next
is
regarding
mediation
for
cracking
open
the
ordinance
and
putting
it
on
the
table
for
a
mediated
discussion
which,
as
both
of
our
attorneys
have
said,
would
would
require
unanimous
participation
from
all
the
parks
and
the
owners.
Before
we
can
say
we
are
going
to
mediate,
we
would
have
to
ensure
that
we
have
participation
from
mediation,
meaning
unanimous
participation
from
mediation.
H
That
scenario
is
that's
the
first
step
if
we're
going
to
go
down
that
path
following
that
would
be
some
subsequent
action
in
terms
of
budget
authority
to
bring
in
an
outside
mediator.
To
begin
that
process,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know
this
is
where
tracy
was
going
as
well,
that
there's
a
there's
clarity
in
terms
of
what
what
you're
seeking
for
for
staff
to
do.
T
Yeah
and
I
do
have
some
to
follow
along
with
what
drew
was
talking
about.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
again.
I
need
confirmation
that,
with
respect
to
renegotiation
of
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance,
if
the
direction
is
for
us
to
seek
renegotiation
by
the
parties
or
mediation,
I
just
need
confirmation
from
you
all
that
it
does
require
100
participation
again.
F
T
T
C
K
C
E
E
I
do
have
more
questions
about
clarification.
I
want
to
ask
two
two
questions,
mr
here.
I
understand
it
correctly
that
if
we
open
this
up,
we
would
have
a
good
chance
of
facing
a
lawsuit
that
will
be
paid
for
by
the
taxpayers
of
thousand
oaks
in
the
tune
of
millions
of
dollars.
Is
that
a
accurate
statement.
O
E
What
is
the
chances
of
any
of
those
park,
owners
participating
in
any
mediation
and
having
at
least
one
drop
out
and
say
we're
not
going
to
participate
at
all
when
we
already
came
back
to
them
and
said,
would
you
like
to
lower
that
a
little
bit
and
they
all
said?
No,
we
don't
we're
happy
where
it
is.
What
are
what
are
the
chances
here.
O
E
T
So,
in
this
case
it
would
be
different
than
was
done
last
time
we
would
actually,
as
drew
mentioned,
we
would
need
budget
authority
to
hire
an
outside
mediator
and
that's
because
any
agreement
that
would
be
reached
has
to
and
has
to
be.
We
have
to
be
sure
that
we
can
actually
do
it,
so
the
city
needs
to
participate
in
the
sense
of
ensuring
that
whatever
the
parties
agree
can
legally
be
done.
E
T
For
clarification
or
direction
with
respect
to
the
aspects
of
the
renegotiation
you
know,
we
could
certainly
ask
the
park
owners
if
they're
willing
to
just
re
limit
the
renegotiation
to
the
annual
rent
adjustment,
but
then
they
go
into
this.
Knowing
that
the
only
thing
that
will
happen
is
the
rents
will
be
reduced.
I
suspect
that
the
only
way
they
would
agree
to
it
is
if
they,
if
we
reopened
it,
the
entire
rent
stabilization
ordinance.
F
That
correct,
that's
not
the
way.
I
understand
it.
I
don't.
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
assure
the
residents
that
we're
going
to
try
we're
going
to
try
and
I'm
not
talking
about
hiring
a
mediator.
I'm
not
talking
about
re,
doing
the
entire
rso,
I'm
talking
as
claudia
said,
and
I'm
willing
to
go
along
with
it
under
council
direction,
which
is
different
than
what
happened
before
under
council
direction.
The
owners
will
be
approached.
F
C
F
F
C
F
C
F
C
J
J
The
others
can
see
that
one
park
is
at
six
percent
and
they
are
at
eight
and
a
half
and
why
wouldn't
they
all
come
to
the
table
and
agree
to
lower
the
the
rates
so
that
you
know
that
is
really
what
I'm
looking
for.
I,
as
I
said
I
appreciate
and
that
staff
did
ask,
are
you
willing
to
lower
and
they
said
no
they're
a
firm?
J
K
T
C
E
C
E
Even
though
staff
has
already
asked
you
to
reduce
from
eight
and
a
half
percent
on
down
we're
going
to
come
back
again
and
say,
would
you
please
reduce
it
down
to
something
like
six
percent
like
the
one
park?
Is
that
what
we're
asking
him
to
do,
and
then
I'm
also
hearing
discussion
about
opening
it
up
to
change
the
formula?
Is
that
what
we
are
all
talking
about
here
right
now.
H
H
Louder,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
motion,
those
are
two
distinctly
different
things,
and
so
the
first
is
bringing
park
owners
in
a
formal
setting
and
having
a
discussion
with
saying.
Council
has
provided
this
direction
and
and
making
that
formal.
Ask
as
it
relates
to
this
year's
rent
increase
and
if
they
would
be
willing
to
modify
this
year's
rent
increase
secondarily
is
changes
to
the
ordinance.
That
is
a
much
more
complicated
and
nuanced
question,
and
so
that
that
will
need
a
little
discussion
by
tracy.
Mr.
K
C
T
It's
not
necessarily
a
question
I
just
want
to
make
clear.
The
way
that
drew
talked
about
is
precisely
what
I
was
thinking
for
purposes
of
the
rent
adjustment
that
is
scheduled
for
november.
That
is
entirely
consistent
with
what
they're
legally
allowed
to
do
so
again,
just
as
we
ask
them
before,
we
can
ask
them
again
whether
they
would
voluntarily
agree
to
reduce
it,
but
we
cannot
compel
them
to
reduce
the
rent
adjustment
schedule
for
november,
because.
T
K
C
K
K
K
C
T
K
K
C
F
T
C
C
F
C
F
K
F
T
K
F
K
H
Some
have
done
capital
improvements,
some
have
not
some
have
done
common
area
improvements,
and
so
on
so
we'll
have
this
discussion
individualized.
There
is
a
scenario
that
some
parks
may
make
a
decision,
perhaps
to
to
do
something
and
others
may
not,
and
so
I
just
there
is
a
situation
in
which
we
report
back,
that
it
could
not
be
a
unanimous,
a
unanimous
picture,
but
I
just
you
know
wanna.
I
don't
want
there
to
be
surprises
about
that.
If
that's,
if
that's
a
situation
that
comes
comes
back.
J
Thank
you.
The
this
is
simply
a
good
faith
effort,
but
I
was
wondering,
since
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
would
it
help
if
say
forming
forming
an
ad
hoc
committee's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
would
it
help
staff
if
one
or
two
council
members
not
me
it
would
would
somehow
help
present
this
I
mean
I'm
just
wondering
whether
whether
that
would
be
helpful.
If
not
that's
fine,
I'm
just.
J
C
P
H
H
F
H
F
C
C
C
C
C
They
have
that
ability
under
state
law
to
close
parks
or
to
make
them
into
condolized
parks,
that's
something
we
have
no
control
over.
What
we
do
have
control
over
right
now
is
that
we
have
a
cpi
cap.
This
year's
been
been
a
bad
bad
year.
Prior
years
have
not
been
a
bad
year.
I
have
no
problem
going
and
asking
them,
but
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
is
not
without
risk.
F
Just
one
comment:
if
I
may
bob
you
used
the
word
continue
when
you
were
speaking
about.
If
they
want
to
continue
down
this
path,
the
cpf
we're
talking
about
this
year.
That's
only
yeah,
I'm
I'm,
I'm
sorry.
If
I'm
missing
all
right.
I
just
wanted
this
just
as
clear
yeah
just
want
to
be
clear
and-
and
I
agree
with
you-
there
is
risk
to
this
there's
definite
risk.
Like
I
said
they
haven't.
These
park
owners
haven't
filed
a
justin,
reasonable
return
application
in
10
years.
T
J
T
T
J
E
C
C
H
Yeah,
in
addition
to
this
item
in
two
weeks,
we
do
have
a
item
of
significance
that
night's
a
presentation
update
from
our
homeless
ad
hoc
committee
on
homeless
efforts
and
a
potential
navigation
center
consideration,
so
we'll
also
receive
an
update
from
our
council
members
that
attended
the
league
of
california
cities
conference.
That's
on
the
27th
two
weeks
from
tonight.
C
T
Thank
you,
mayor
engler.
We
do
have
two
closed
sessions.
Both
of
them
are
on
existing
litigation.
Pursuant
to
government
code,
section
549
56.98,
the
first
one
is
ian
share
versus
city
of
thousand
oaks,
and
the
second
matter
is
sharon.
Bloom
turn
off
versus
city
of
thousand
oaks.
It
is
not
likely.
I
will
have
anything
to
report.