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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - September 27, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting - 9/27/2022
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I'm
pleased
this
evening
to
Welcome
to
our
to
our
event
tonight.
Oliver
slosser
is
the
engineering
program
manager
for
Los
virginas,
Municipal
Water
District
in
his
role,
Oliver
oversees
the
upcoming
District's
Pure
Water
Project,
and
which
is
an
Innovative,
multi-faceted
program
that
will
convert
excess
recycled
water
into
drinking
water,
creating
a
new
local
supply
of
potable
water
for
our
region.
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Thank
you
Mr
Mayor
good
evening,
council
members,
and
thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
As
mentioned,
my
name
is
Oliver
saucer
I
am
the
engineering
program
manager
for
Las
Vegas,
Municipal
Water
District
in
this
role,
I'm
charged
with
leading
the
pure
water
project
for
the
Las
Vegas
Triumph
jpa
This
is
a
generational
project
that
will
have
long
lasting
environmental
and
water
supply
benefits
for
the
region.
I
could
not
be
proudered
to
help
bring
this
project
to
fruition
for
the
jpa
tonight,
I'll
briefly
present
an
update
of
the
project
and
share
some
key
project.
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Milestones
next
slide
to
begin
I'd
like
to
talk
about
why
we're
pursuing
a
pure
water
program,
the
Pure
Water
Project,
accomplishes
several
several
goals
for
us.
Firstly,
the
project
will
allow
us
to
comply
with
future
more
stringent
water
quality
requirements
for
discharging
to
Malibu
Creek
by
removing
our
discharge
to
the
creek
and
instead
reusing
that
water.
Secondly,
the
Pure
Water
Project
will
create
a
new
source
of
potable
water
for
our
customers,
as
the
jpa
is
fully
dependent
on
imported
water
sources.
Currently,
this
new
local
source
of
water
will
will
be
important
to
address
future
droughts.
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In
the
effects
of
climate
change,
lastly,
this
project
allows
us
to
use
title
22
water
that
otherwise
may
have
been
discharged
to
Malibu
Creek
and
the
Pacific
Ocean,
and
instead
treat
it
to
a
higher
standard
for
use
in
our
potable
system,
thereby
bringing
our
water
full
circle
in
the
next
slide.
Thank
you
to
give
an
overview
of
the
project
elements.
The
pure
broader
project
will
utilize
California's
new
guidelines
for
indirect
potable
reuse
through
Reservoir,
augmentation
or
surface
water
augmentation.
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This
entails
taking
the
title:
22
recycled
water,
that's
typically
used
for
irrigation
purposes
and
produced
at
our
Tapia
wrf
facility
and
sending
it
to
a
new
Advanced
water
purification
facility.
This
will
happen
during
times
when
there
is
an
excess
of
Supply.
Typically,
during
the
winter
months,
this
Advanced
facility
would
run
seasonally
when
water
is
available
and
then
send
that
purified
product
water
to
Las,
Vegas
Reservoir.
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What
would
blend
with
the
imported
water
we
received
from
Metropolitan
in
the
state
water
project
once
the
water
has
been
in
the
reservoir
for
a
set
amount
of
detention
time.
The
water
is
then
withdrawn,
treated
again
at
our
Westlake
Filtration
plant
before
being
served
to
our
customers
over
here.
The
next
slide
in
August
our
program,
environmental
impact
report,
was
released,
which
discusses
the
possible
alternatives
for
the
project
and
the
potential
environmental
impacts.
We're
looking
at
two
possible
locations
for
the
new
Advanced
water
purification
facility.
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The
one
you'll
see
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
a
rendering
that
we've
done
in
the
city
of
Agoura
Hills,
the
doc.
The
the
eir
also
considers
a
site
at
our
Los
virginas
Reservoir
in
Westlake
Village
we're
keeping
both
of
these
sites
as
possible
options
as
we
go
through
the
environmental
review
process
and
receive
public
comments,
after
which
a
final
site
will
be
selected.
A
rendering
of
the
facility
of
the
at
The
agura,
Road
Site,
is
shown
here.
We
are
in
the
pre-design
phase
now
so
this
rendering
represents
about
a
10
level
of
design.
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So
another
big
part
of
the
project
is
the
pipelines
needed
to
plumb
the
new
awpf
to
the
existing
recycled
water
and
potable
systems
and
to
dispose
of
the
brine
concentrate
that
it's
produced
during
the
advanced
treatment.
So
this
will
entail
somewhere
between
20
and
22
miles
of
pipeline.
Overall,
this
pipeline
will
be
in
the
cities
of
Agoura
Hills,
Westlake,
Village
and
Thousand
Oaks,
as
well
as
areas
of
unincorporated
Ventura
County
as
you'll
see
in
the
figure.
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So
the
concentrate
pipeline
is
the
largest
of
the
pipelines
being
proposed,
and
it's
roughly
roughly
14
miles
we're
considering
several
Alternatives
in
the
environmental
document.
We
are
we're
trying
to
find
we've
been
working
closely
with
City
staff
and
are
are
hoping
to
select
an
ultimate
alternative
that
will
minimize
impacts
to
Residents
and
businesses
and
minimize
the
overall
construction
time.
This
slide
shows
the
multiple
Alternatives
that
are
currently
being
considered
in
the
document.
We
expect
to
carry
these
options
forward
to
the
design,
build
stage
and
select
a
final
alignment
in
concert
with
the
design
team.
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This
pipeline
will
convey.
Brian
will
convey
Brian
from
the
treatment
process
to
the
callus
salinity
management
pipeline,
which
ultimately
then
goes
to
the
ocean.
We're
also
exploring
the
possibility
of
using
this
alignment
to
support
augmentation
projects
in
the
region,
which
would
Supply
the
awpf
with
additional
water
and
increase
the
amount
of
water
that
we
can
make
with
that
facility.
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These
augmentation
sources
could
include
such
projects
as
the
Los
Robles
Wells
I
will
go
to
the
next
line,
so
this
is
our
secret
review
schedule,
as
I
mentioned
we're
in
the
middle
of
our
environmental
review
process.
Right
now,
the
public
document
was
released.
In
August
we
held
a
public
meeting
in
September,
which
is
also
available
on
our
Pure
Water
specific
website.
It's
www.rpurewad
R,
sorry
www.rpureh2o.com.
D
We
are
accepting
comments
from
agencies
in
the
public
through
October
7th,
and
we
intend
to
certify
the
final
eir
document
in
December.
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
then
lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
share
overall
construction
schedule
with
you.
Our
plan
at
the
moment
is
to
start
construction
in
mid-2025
of
that
concentrate
pipeline
construction
of
the
pipelines
as
well
as
the
building
construction
would
mostly
happen
in
parallel
and
would
be
hoping
to
wrap
construction
up
by
before
the
end
of
2027
and
have
the
facility
running
by
mid-2028.
D
Our
compliance
deadline
for
Malibu
Creek
is
2030,
so
this
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
breathing
room,
but
this
is
the
the
schedule
that
we're
pursuing
at
the
moment
with
that.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
E
Wonderful
project
you're
now
bringing
water
into
the
21st
century
using
the
technology
we
have
today,
instead
of
being
dependent
on
snowpack,
which
is
variable
and
rainfall,
we're
now
actually
being
smart
about
Recycling
and
reusing
the
water
here.
I
noticed
that
your
d-cell,
your
reverse
osmosis
plant,
is
7.5.
D
So
at
Las
Vegas
we've
been
Forward
Thinking
for
many
decades
and
with
that
it
means
that
we've
built
out
quite
a
extensive
purple
pipe
title
22
recycled
water
system.
We
intend
to
continue
serving
those
customers,
and
so
we
are
building
a
plant
that
will
accommodate
the
Surplus
flow
that
we
have,
and
so
the
12
MTD
Tapia
during
the
summer
months.
All
that
water
is
actually
used
for
irrigation
purposes.
D
We
even
have
to
supplement
with
potable
water
at
times,
so
this
would
take
care
of
the
winter
time
Surplus
water,
where
we
don't
have
customers
for
it
currently,
and
then
the
the
facility
is
sized
at
7.5
MGD,
which
in
concert
with
some
of
our
our
available
outfalls,
add
up
to
the
12
MGD
at
Tapia.
So,
together
with
our
available
disposal
methods,
we're
able
to
match
that
capacity
of
the
Tapia
facility
are.
E
You
able
to
expand
at
some
point.
It
would
be
nice
if
we
took
the
10
million
gallons
of
treated
wood,
Wastewater
here
and
Thousand
Oaks
at
our
Hill
Canyon
plant.
That
goes
out
into
nature,
to
feed
Bambi,
Thumper
and
Tweety
Bird
and
bring
it
back
around
and
pump
it
to
your
plant.
Are
you
able
to
expand
to
accommodate
that
sometime
in
the
future,
so.
D
The
plant,
the
way
it's
designed
now
at
7.5
MGD,
both
because
of
the
seasonality
of
when
we
have
available
water
and
just
based
on
the
fact
that
we're
building
a
facility
to
treat
the
upper
bookends
we
do
have
capacity
to
take
on
other
sources
of
water.
So
we
are
pursuing
augmentation
strategies
such
as
the
Los,
Robles,
Wells
I,
believe
we're
still
discussing
Hill
Canyon,
there's
ms4
compliance,
storm
water
opportunities
and
paragram
water
opportunities.
E
Because
the
solution
for
the
drought
and
water
utilization
as
everyone
that
in
the
water
industry
like
myself,
is
that
it's
a
regional
solution,
not
a
city
issue,
and
so
we
appreciate
the
cooperation
with
us
virgins
to
look
at
the
future
of
water
usage
and
you're,
laying
down
the
groundwork
for
the
rest
of
venture
accounting.
I.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
be
part
of
that.
Thank.
F
Thank
you,
mayor
Engler,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
for
the
tour
that
you
offered
to
council
members
and
others
of
your
facility
a
while
back
at
these
sorts
of
initiatives
do
take
time
several
years.
We
know
we
can't
rely
on
Sacramento
anymore
for
water,
so
we
have
to
really
act
locally,
regionally,
I
appreciate
that
is
your
presentation
available
online,
the
one
you
gave
just
now.
D
We
actually
have
a
presentation
online
right
now,
which
was
our
we
gave
a
presentation
as
part
of
the
ear
process
of
a
public
meeting
that
actually
goes
into
more
detail
than
I
did
this
evening.
So
we
have
lots
of
resources
on
the
our
Pure
h2o.com
website,
including
presentations
such
as
this,
but
yeah
there's
lots
of
information
that
I'm
always
available
if
anybody
wants
to
reach
out
for
for
further.
Thank
you.
B
That's
a
real,
quick
question
for
me:
I
know
we
do
have
we've
been
the
initial
phase
of
speaking
and
it's
not
just
Ventura
County
you're
L.A
County
we're
Ventura
County
we're
in
the
same
region,
which
is
great
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we
are
Reaching
Across,
that
political
border
to
be
able
to
look
for
Solutions
as
well.
Can
you
go
a
little
bit
into
some
of
the
talks
you've
had
with
our
city
as
far
as
using
some
of
our
groundwater?
D
Absolutely
what
we've
as
I
said,
we
are
kind
of
in
the
pre-plant
or
the
the
planning
stages
still,
and
we
will
be
going
into
procurement
of
the
design
build
teams
in
January.
D
We
have
been
having
those
initial
conversations
about
sources
such
as
stormwater,
Hill,
Canyon,
water,
Los,
Robles,
Wells,
we've
also
I
believe,
either
last
month
or
the
month
before,
finalizing
mou
between
a
Los,
virginas,
the
city
and
and
and
several
other
agencies
that
will
really
help
delay
the
groundwork
for
future
Cooperative
efforts
such
as
augmentation
projects
like
that.
So
again,
we're
based
on
the
numbers
that
we're
looking
at
now
I
believe
we're
somewhere
around
20
utilization
of
the
facility
at
7.5
MGD.
So
there
is
lots
of
opportunity.
D
We
also
until
we
find
augmentation
sources.
The
facility
would
be
would
not
run
during
the
summer
time
because
there
wouldn't
be
any
water
to
to
treat,
but
it
would
be
beneficial
to
us
and
an
operational
standpoint
to
have
that
facility
running
year
round.
So
any
opportunity
to
find
water,
especially
dry
weather
sources
of
water,
are
ones
that
we
intend
to
pursue
great.
B
D
C
This
is
the
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
12
individuals
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
G
Good
evening,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Jeff
Briggs
I
live
in
the
Sunset
Hills
Lang
Ranch
area
I
spoke
to
you
a
month
ago
about
what
I
believe
is
an
urgent
need
for
a
temporary
shelter
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
the
Safety
and
Security
of
the
homeless
and
the
housed
alike.
So
I
wanted
now
to
thank
you
and
congratulate
you
and
show
support
for
the
proposal
that
is
before
you
tonight
to
build
a
temporary
shelter
on
unused
city
land.
It
fits
well
within
your
homelessness
budget.
G
It'll
save
money
elsewhere,
once
it's
up
and
running
it'll
provide
help
to
those
who
both
need
and
want
it.
It's
a
myth
that
it
will
attract
other
homeless
people
from
other
areas,
and
it
will
provide
law
enforcement
with
a
tool
necessary
to
keeping
our
streets
and
sidewalks
and
other
public
spaces
clean
and
safe
for
everyone.
I
ask
you
to
please
not
let
the
details
which
have
to
be
worked
out.
G
Bog
you
down
in
implementing
the
plan,
don't
let
the
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
the
good
enough
and
get
this
facility
open
as
soon
as
you
can
I
urge
my
fellow
Thousand
Oaks
residents
to
support
this
plan
and
I
urge
the
council
to
approve
it
tonight
and
to
move
forward
with
all
deliberate
speed.
I
thank
you
and
the
city
manager
for
moving
forward
in
this
way
in
advance.
I
say
to
you
all
well
done.
H
I
have
a
a
petition
out
as
of
six
days
ago.
It's
35
signatures,
but
anyway
it's
it's
called
enact,
Alana's
law,
it's
regarding
my
daughter
who
passed
away
at
only
26.
and
she
had
spent
15
years
or
more
in
the
behavioral
health
system
here
in
Thousand
Oaks
at
first,
when
my
son
is
who's
now,
30
is
going
down
the
slippery
slope
when
they
were
about
15
to
17
years
old.
H
You
know
signs
of
their
mental
illness
started
to
to
show
they
had
been
going
then
to
behavioral
health
and
they
had
a
psychiatrist
and,
along
with
the
psychiatrist,
was
automatically
a
therapist
and
it
did
them
a
world
of
good
that
came
to
an
end.
Don't
know
why
it's
probably
Financial
not
real
sure,
but
since
then
we're
talking
15
some
odd
years
now
it
hasn't
gotten
back
together
in
that
regard,
and
that's
a
crime
in
itself,
because
the
psychiatrist
is
Doling
out.
H
You
know
bottles
and
bottles
of
medication
and
sending
young
adults,
children
or
whatever
the
case
scenario
is
back
home
to
their
parents
or
relatives
who
are
not
trained
therapists.
It's
insane,
it's
crazy!
It's
not
good
for
anybody.
It's
a
slippery
slope
down
these
people
who
have
taken
that
major
step
to
get
the
medication
in
the
first
place
deserve
therapy
automatically.
H
You
cannot
ask
a
mentally
ill
person
if
they
want
therapy
I,
think
there's
a
new
law
enacted
Now
by
Newsome
Newsome,
not
sure
exactly
it's
a
little
cloudy,
but
he's
stating
that
you
can
now
on
Gold
Coast
Insurance,
because
you
can
only
see
a
psychiatrist
now
in
Gold
Coast
insurance
for
many
many
many
many
a
decade
and
a
half
so
that
with
that
being
said,
he
has
enacted
it
where
you
can
also
go
out
of.
H
You
know
where,
whereas
a
psychologist
accepts
Gold
Coast
to
get
a
psychologist,
but
that
is
not
going
to
work.
That
is
easier
said
than
done.
H
People
psychiat
psychologists,
don't
call
you
back
then
I'm
in
the
eye
of
the
storm
right
now
and
I've
been
on
the
bottom
floor
and
in
the
eye
of
the
storm
for
a
long
time.
So
I
know
what
I'm
talking
about
plus
the
fact
you
cannot
ask
a
mentally
ill
person
if
they
want
to
see
a
therapist.
It
doesn't
work
like
that,
they're
going
to
say
no
it
just
it's.
Just
I've
asked
a
lot
of
my
friends
with
mentally
disabled
kids.
Now
adults
and
it's
they.
They
agree
up
and
down.
H
So,
but
that's
what
I
want
to
see
happen
for
a
preventative
measure
so
that
there
are
not
a
lot
of
homeless
people,
because
homeless
people
are
homeless
because
they're
thrown
out
by
their
families,
because
their
families
cannot
and
should
not
be
their
therapist.
So
that
being
said,
I
want
to
now
transfer
over
to
the
homeless
problem.
I,
don't
know
if
you,
if
any
of
you
have
Googled
Austin
Texas.
I
Here
we
go
good
evening,
mayor
Engler,
council
members
and
viewing
audience.
You
all
know
me
I've,
been
here
before
my
name
is
Christy
Warner,
I'm,
a
proud
Kiwani
and
a
teacher,
an
advisor
to
the
Westlake
High
School
Key
Club,
and
the
K
Kids
a
service
leadership
program
at
Wethersfield,
Elementary
I'm.
Also,
a
Relay
for
Life,
volunteer
and
I
have
a
special
volunteer
here.
That
would
like
to
help
me
give
you
some
information
about
some
important
things
that
are
coming
up
for
our
2022
canoe,
Valley,
Relay,
For,
Life,.
A
Hello,
my
name
is
Aaliyah
Connor
The,
Beatles
Club.
Vice
president,
the
American
Cancer
Society
for
Relay
For
Life
is
a
life-changing
event
that
gives
everyone
in
our
community
and
those
and
those
across
the
world
a
chance
to
celebrate
the
lives
of
people
who
have
battled
cancer,
remembered
loved
ones,
lost
and
fight
back
against
the
disease.
I
Hey
the
American
Cancer
Society
is
the
largest
private
source
of
cancer
research
funding
in
the
United
States.
The
funds
raised
through
Relay
for
Life,
which
is
on
Saturday,
will
help
find
better
treatments,
lead
scientists
closer
to
a
cure,
as
well
as
provide
many
educational
and
early
detection
programs
and
services
to
our
community.
A
I
A
A
I
B
Out,
thank
you.
Miss
Warner.
Next
up
is
Graham
Watts,
followed
by
in-house
here,
Bob
Berkman,
all
right.
J
J
J
The
good
news
that
the
federal
government
in
a
rare
demonstration
of
leadership
and
bipartisan
cooperation
has
updated
its
Suicide
Prevention
Lifeline
from
an
outdated
10-digit
phone
number
to
a
three-digit
988
suicide
and
crisis
Lifeline
that
can
now
receive
calls
texts
and
emails.
The
program
is
supported
by
200
crisis,
centers
Nationwide.
J
According
to
the
mental
health
services
Administration,
the
number
of
Nationwide
inquiries
has
increased
by
45
percent
or
152
000
people
calling
and
asking
for
help
from
August
2020
to
August
2021..
Even
more
impressive
is
the
response.
Time
to
each
call
has
now
gone
from
two
and
a
half
minutes
to
42
seconds.
J
Suicide
and
depression
are
deadly
Partners
as
a
major
disease
that
places
people
in
a
hole
in
their
mind,
a
very
dark,
deep
hole
in
their
mind.
That
makes
them
desperate
by
creating
a
feeling
of
helplessness
and
no
hope
unless
you
have
suffered
through
depression.
You
just
don't
know
how
dark
and
deeply
depression
can
be.
It's
a
deadly
disease
I
have
suffered
and
recovered
from
depression.
Myself,
so
I
know
the
making
of
basic
decisions
every
day
how
difficult
it
can
be
and
how
challenging
just
to
function.
J
Unfortunately,
the
updated
988
suicide
and
crisis
Lifeline
was
too
late
for
my
sister
Samantha
Who
in
April.
After
years
of
depression,
covid
challenges,
Health
Care
issues
and
marital
challenges
took
her
life,
as
it
was
in
her
mind
her
best
and
only
option
not
a
day
goes
by
that
I,
don't
think
of
her
and
what
I
could
have
done
to
stop
her.
The
reality
is
that
she
needed
more
than
a
Brother's
love
and
support
she
needed
professional
help
and
she
couldn't
get
it.
J
I
also
recently
lost
a
good
friend
of
mine
and
professional
colleague,
who
also
did
the
same
thing.
He
took
his
life,
he
struggled
and
struggled,
and
he
couldn't
take
it
anymore.
He
needed
help
in
closing
I.
Ask
everyone
to
please
consider
two
at
two
tasks
reach
out
to
the
person
closest
to
you
that
needs
help.
That
is
silent.
That
needs
a
helping
hand
step.
Any
any
step
forward
would
be
helpful.
K
H
J
Thank
you,
I
would
like
to
like
the
city
council
and
the
mobile
home
park
owners
to
consider
my
perspective
on
behalf
of
the
tenants
before
the
rent
control
decision
is
made.
I've
lived
in
the
ventua
states
for
seven
years.
My
decision
to
buy
a
mobile
home
was
made
because
I
could
no
longer
afford
the
cost
of
living
in
a
small
two-bedroom
apartment
in
Newbury
Park,
where
every
year
the
rent
was
increased
by
at
least
a
hundred
dollars
a
month
had
I
stayed
in
the
apartment.
J
My
rent
would
have
increased
from
1934
to
2034
dollars
a
month
and
would
be
and
would
continue
to
be
raised,
at
least
by
that
amount
every
year.
Thereafter,
the
only
other
option
for
me
at
the
time
would
be
to
live
in
the
street
or
in
a
homeless
shelter.
That
is
what
is
facing
many
tenants
in
senior
mobile
home
parks,
I'm
80
years
old
and
I'm
still
working
three
days
a
week
when
I
was
50
years
old.
The
thought
that
I
would
need
to
still
need
to
work
when
I
turned
80
was
the
furthest
thing.
J
From
my
mind,
in
addition
to
the
monthly
rent,
I
have
a
mortgage
payment
to
pay
each
month,
as
I
did
not
have
enough
money
to
pay
for
the
mobile
home
in
full.
Many
of
other
mobile
home
owners
and
Senior
mobile
home
communities
are
in
the
same
situation,
to
break
down
my
personal
financial
situation.
If
the
8.5
percent
increase
is
approved,
I
will
be
paying
778
dollars.
J
Monthly
rent
starting
this
November,
my
Social
Security
payment
next
year,
will
be
about
1775
dollars,
monthly,
my
fixed
monthly
payments,
in
addition
to
the
monthly
rent,
our
utilities,
my
mortgage
payment,
my
Medicare
supplement
payment,
my
phone
bill
and
internet
and
cable
TV,
adding
these
fixed
payments
up,
including
the
new
monthly
rent
it
totals
nineteen
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
about
two
hundred
and
five
dollars
a
month
above
what
my
Social
Security
payment
will
be
this
stuff.
Excuse
me
this
doesn't
include
the
cost
of
gas
food
prescription,
drugs
and
other
miscellaneous
monthly
expenses.
J
B
K
Evening,
mayor
council
and
staff,
I'm
George
Rosenthal
from
Ventura
States
Thousand,
Oaks,
Council
and
staff
produced
an
ordinance
525.01
on
the
chart
to
regulate
mobile
home
rents.
Part
of
the
of
the
Thousand
Oaks
ordinance
reads.
Therefore,
it
is
necessary
and
reasonable
to
continue
to
regulate
rents,
to
safeguard
mobile
home
owners
residents
and
tenants
from
excessive
rent
increases.
That's
your
ordinance
that
you
wrote:
We
need
the
Thousand
Oaks
city
council
to
understand
and
take
seriously
the
gravity
of
consequences
facing
seniors
in
the
Thousand
Oaks
Park.
K
Some
seniors
can
only
last
a
few
months
with
the
eight
and
a
half
percent
increase.
Seniors
cannot
handle
another
huge
increase
next
year
if
the
CPI
is
eight
or
ten
percent.
Next
year,
the
total
of
16
to
18
percent
equals
six
to
nine
years
of
increases
based
upon
10
years
of
CPI
at
three
percent
seniors
are
trying
to
pay
for
medicine
and
food
now
and
can't
do
it.
In
previous
Council
meetings,
the
staff
went
to
Great
Links
to
disassociate
themselves
from
the
city
ordinance.
K
They
argued
that
the
RSO
was
negotiated
agreement
between
the
park
owners
and
the
homeowners
in
2011
long
ago,
who
owns
the
ordinance.
The
city
adopted
the
ordinance
with
the
park
owners.
Put
it
in
place,
not
considering
the
future
of
ramifications
to
seniors.
They
then
continued
the
RSO
in
2021.
Without
any
changes,
the
city
ignored
the
homeowner's
request
in
June
of
21
to
cap
the
CPI.
K
Therefore,
the
city
must
take
accountability
and
own.
It
do
not
blame
seniors
or
make
excuses
for
Park
owners
that
won't
agree
with
a
cap.
The
ordinance
was
put
in
place
12
years
ago,
when
very
few
of
the
current
residents
were
even
in
the
park.
Only
a
handful
of
current
residents
know
anything
about
an
ordinance
are
what
it
means.
The
current
residents
do
not
know.
There
is
no
cap,
only
the
100
CPI
of
a
20-year
average
of
two
to
three
percent.
We
were
all
told
when
we
bought
our
homes.
K
Don't
worry,
the
CPI
never
goes
beyond
three
percent
Thousand
Oaks
is
only
one
of
ten
cities
in
California.
To
not
have
a
cap.
Malibu
has
a
five
percent
cap.
Our
governing
body,
A
Thousand,
Oaks
Council,
must
act
and
make
changes
to
the
RSO,
especially
when
the
RSO
fails
to
protect
our
most
treasured
resources.
Seniors.
We
need
action,
not
lip
service.
The
amount
of
money
being
spent
on
a
lawsuit,
as
we
were
told
might
happen,
is
nothing
compared
to
forcing
out
hundreds
of
seniors
onto
the
streets.
K
L
Hi
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name-
is
Lynn
young,
not
Lin.
Yam,
like
a
potato
like
I,
stayed
in
acorn
anyways
too
just
to
follow
up
this
gentleman's
silent
aspiration,
a
suicidal
Ranch,
Suicidal
Thoughts
of
people,
all
these
seniors,
young
people,
okay,
I-
think
by
putting
the
cap
whether
it's
five
percent
or
500
percent.
Putting
a
cap
on
the
ordinance
is
not
good
to
going
to
make
these
land
owners
suicidal
because
it
hurts
they're,
just
reasonable
random
rate
of
return.
L
L
It
says
the
city
will
provide
municipal
government
leadership,
so
you
all
are
our
leaders,
which
is
open
and
responsive
to
Residents
and
is
characterized
by
ethical
Behavior
stability,
promoting
public
trust,
transparency,
confidence
in
the
future
Now
by
putting
cap
I
think
you
can
achieve
this
goal
by
by
not
putting
any
cap
on
this
regulation.
How
do
you
regulate
or
enforce
any
rules
or
laws
without
any
threshold?
It
could
be
five
percent.
It
could
be.
Fifty
percent
put
a
cap
there,
just
like
okay.
L
That's
the
that's
a
that's
the
condition
for
the
land
owners
not
to
to
ask
for
the
reasonable
rate
of
return.
So,
therefore,
this
is
not
a
mediation
that
was
not
a
valid
negotiation
assault.
So
please
do
not
use
the
term
that
that
10
years
ago,
when
the
city
removed
that
75
percent
CPI
and
the
seven
percent
cap
is
a
result
of
the
confidential
mediation
agreement,
that's
not
true
that
may
be
agreement
between
the
landowners
and
residents.
There
may
be
agreement,
but
the
ordinance
is
the
law.
L
It
can
be
only
challenged
or
Changed
by
u5,
not
you
but
cd5
Council.
The
court
said
this
is
from
the
court.
Only
the
city
could
do
that
acting
through
this
through
its
Council
mayor
Fox.
As
a
voting
member
of
the
city
council
had
more
control
over
the
resolution
of
the
dispute
than
did
any
of
the
owners
of
the
resident
delegates.
It
also
says
so,
the
simple
so
so
anyways
the
bottom
line
is
that
the
city
removed.
So
it's
not
true
that
city
was
not
a
part
of
the
negotiation.
L
I
didn't
read
all
of
them,
but
in
that
in
that
July
4th
meeting
when
the
agreement
was
signed,
I
believe
that
was
only
from
the
land
owners
attorneys
and
the
city
and
the
city,
because
in
this
also
your
website,
you
said
in
2011
the
city
reached
an
agreement
with
the
park
owners,
not
the
park
owners
and
residents
reached
it.
So
please
just
consider
put
a
tab
on
that
because
you
did
it
removed
it
20
years
ago.
That's
why
today's
chaos
is
like
this.
Thank.
M
L
Because
last
two
meetings-
the
City
attorney
Miss
nannen,
said
this
agreement
this
without
the
cap
the
10
years
ago,
the
residents
and
the
landlords
reached
a
company
through
the
confidential
mediation
region
agreement.
The
court
said:
that's
not
a
mediation.
This
that
might
be
agreement
might
be
a
contract
between
the
land
owners
and
the
tenants.
Now
the
landowners
I'm
not
blaming
them,
they
fulfilled
their
10
years,
their
side
of
bargain.
Now
it's
their
time
to
do
whatever
they
needed
to
do.
L
M
Putting
it
is
your
point
that,
because
councilman
Fox
was
part
of
the
negotiations,
he
could
then
not
vote
on
it
as
an.
L
Account
no,
he
can
he
can
vote,
but
he
could
not
be
the
mediator.
Therefore,
that
meeting
that
agreement
was
not
the
result
of
a
valid
mediation.
Media
mediator
should
be
neutral
party
Mutual
person,
but
the
court
said
Mr
Fox
was
not
a
mutual
person
he's
a
very
interested
person
and
he
himself
has
his
vote
in
order
to
change
the
it's
a
little
bit
complicated
here.
It's
agreement
versus
the
code,
the.
H
Some
five
land
owners
have
a
virtual
monopoly
over
the
destiny
of
one
thousand
mobile
home
owners
in
Thousand
Oaks.
So
the
city,
in
its
wisdom,
created
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance
RSO
to
ensure
a
balance
of
Rights.
First
off
protection
from
excessive
rent
increases
for
mhos.
The
RSO
assigns
responsibility
for
selection
of
the
CPI
to
the
city's
Finance
director,
Thousand,
Oaks
and
Ventura
County
do
not
have
their
own
separate
cpis
from
the
U.S
Department
of
Labor
and
statistics.
Over
a
year
ago,
councilman
McNamee
pointed
out
use
of
the
LA
region.
Cpi
is
unfair.
H
He
said,
clu
was
analyzing,
a
true
indicator.
Did
the
finance
director
look
at
that,
or
did
she
just
rubber
stamp
the
lacpi
without
due
consideration?
What's
a
fair
index
in
2011
the
city
tossed
out
our
75
percent
CPI
and
seven
percent
cap
in
the
10-year
rent
control
deal
that
favored
landlords
that
deal
lapsed
over
a
year
ago.
Update
of
the
CPI
cap
regulation
is
long
overdue.
At
least
one
half
of
California
City's
used
caps.
Can
the
finance
director
justify
an
8.5,
La
CPI?
We
we
don't
think
so.
H
B
H
The
city
violated
the
rso's
purpose
of
balancing
the
rights
of
mhos
and
loss
in
2010,
terrified
of
being
sued
by
Lo's,
ignoring
expert
analysis
advising
the
contrary.
The
council
ended
up
in
a
sham
negotiation,
it
granted
the
Thunderbird,
Oaks,
Lo
and
excessively
generous,
but
unjust
and
unreasonable
return.
The
mhos
had
no
regulation
recourse.
How
do
you
know
city
council
just
how
excessive
those
returns
were
and
continue
to
be
you
don't
unless
you
regularly
monitor
the
ELO's
income
versus
operating
expenses?
H
The
city
set
a
precedent
when
the
Iraq
used
the
maintenance
of
net
operating
income
calculation
to
evaluate
that
Thunderbird,
Oaks
ELO's,
rent
increase,
request,
use
it
again
as
part
of
the
RSO
process
measure
and
make
corrective
adjustments
to
the
mho's
rents,
at
least
every
10
years.
Only
this
time
and
every
time
hold
the
elos
to
your
calculated
number.
B
H
B
K
Er
City
Council
City
staff
to
Legal
staff
and
guests.
My
name
is
George
senko
as
a
resident
of
Thunderbird
Oaks
I
shall
briefly
address
the
rso's
history.
I
sent
you
a
longer
letter
that
explorested
in
in
length
in
60s
and
70s,
the
city
created
an
oligarchic
situation
with
its
own
certain
Parcels
as
trailer
park
development
tpd.
K
Yes,
it
enabled
five
Lo
entries
to
now
control
the
living
Destinies
of
over
1
000
mhos.
It
then
saw
how
elos
were
taking
advantage
of
mhos
with
exorbitant
red
increases
and
enacted
the
aerosol,
despite
best
intentions
and
maybe
because
of
years
of
council
administrative
tinkering.
The
RSO
has
become
a
tangled
gordian
knot
due
to
half
measures,
faulty
math
litigation,
absences
of
experts,
excessive
rents
and
returns,
fake
mediation
enforcement
failures,
side
deals,
planning,
failures,
landowner
agreed,
High
inflation,
political
posturing,
whitewashing
and
fear-mongering
simply
put
it's
a
mess.
K
The
also
is
supposed
to
protect
the
senior
and
lower
income
residents
while
giving
the
Los
a
just
and
reasonable
return.
However,
the
attitude,
because
that's
the
way
we've
always
done
it-
will
no
longer
work
here.
We
all
have
to
be
better
than
that,
especially
the
top
10
city
managers,
who
collectively
make
over
2
million
a
year
in
salary
benefits.
K
They
are
paid
big
bucks
to
develop
big
Solutions,
not
to
cower
in
the
face
of
a
potential
lawsuit
or
difficult
problems.
Such
Solutions
might
include
one
an
immediate
five
percent
rent
cap,
an
easy
temporary
solution.
Two,
a
more
appropriate
index
requires
analysis.
Three
subsidies
to
the
nhos
two
offset
rent
increases
requires
more
analysis.
Four,
five
and
six
other
ideas.
Staff
should
generate
memory.
Chos
maintain
that
the
current
increase
of
8.5
percent
that
the
city
authorizes
both
unjust
and
violates
the
intent
of
the
RSO.
K
It
allows
the
Lo's
to
make
excessive
returns
while
not
protecting
the
mhls
from
excessive
rent
increases.
The
RSO
is
not
a
static
document.
It
requires
some
measurement
and
adjustment
as
conditions
in
the
city
change.
It
is
part
of
to's
overall
housing
strategy.
As
such,
it
needs
to
be
given
continual
proper
attention.
Let's
get
to
work.
Thank
you.
K
As
many
of
you
know,
public
transit
itself
is
in
a
bit
of
an
existential
crisis
since
the
pandemic
started
with
ridership
drops,
but
we
are
seeing
ridership
come
back.
K
I've
had
the
privilege
of
being
executive
director
for
the
commission
for
the
last
eight
months
before
that
I
was
the
public
transit
director
for
six
years
and
when
I
started
year
after
I
started,
we
embarked
on
a
program
called
the
college
ride
which
allowed
all
college
students
in
Ventura
County,
Cal
Lutheran
csuci
the
community
colleges
to
ride
public
transit
for
free,
and
it
was
probably
our
most
successful
program
across
the
county.
This
youth
ride
free
program
is
funded
through
the
same
state
source
of
fundings.
K
It's
from
the
state
cap
and
trade
program
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
my
staff
for
working
very
diligently,
along
with
all
the
staff
from
City
of
Thousand
Oaks
and
all
the
transit
operators
in
the
county
to
submit
and
receive
this
grant,
which
has
been
again
already
we're
already
starting
to
see.
Some
real
signs
of
success.
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
council
member
Bill,
De
La
Pena,
who
serves
on
our
commit
on
my
commission
and
represents
Thousand
Oaks
and
has
been
on
there
for
several
years.
K
J
Good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
this
evening.
My
name
is
Bruce.
Udelph
I
live
in
ventu,
Park
Estates.
There
are
two
parks
side
by
side
with
one
common
owner,
so
we
consider
ourselves
one
in
many
respects.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
members.
I
spoke
last
month,
and
many
of
you
were
quite
empathetic
and
I
know.
You
made
some
efforts
to
approach.
J
Park
owners,
I
spent
my
entire
career
before
retirement
or
virtually
my
entire
career
for
40
years,
working
with
seniors,
non-profit
agencies,
we
provided
housing
and
other
services
to
seniors.
There
was
a
safety
net.
If
you
ran
out
of
money,
we
took
care
of
you,
so
it
was
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we're
dealing
with
here
tonight.
I
was
bothered
a
little
bit
by
some
of
the
things
that
were
stated
last
month
on
some
of
the
conclusions:
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
CPI
and
the
history
of
all
the
efforts
made
before
this.
J
J
21
of
them
own
their
homes,
outright
free
and
clear.
Four
of
them
are
making
payments,
so
we
have
Equity.
Most
of
us
have
significant
Equity,
ranging
from
perhaps
75
000
up
to
as
high
as
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
real
estate
friend
of
mine,
who
specializes
in
seniors
and
mobile
home
parks.
Along
with
me,
we
reached
out
to
lenders.
So
here's
the
deal,
many
of
us
who
own
properties,
homes
that
we
have
bought
since
1980,
can
get
reverse
mortgage
loans,
giving
us
guaranteed
income
either
every
month
or
every
year
for
quite
a
number
of
years.
J
The
other
people
who
own
older
homes
can
get
more
conventional
mortgage.
You
know
home
equity
loans
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
the
idea
that
people
are
gonna,
Pell
Mel,
be
be
thrown
out
in
the
hundreds
as
Mr
Jones
stated
last
month,
or
maybe
a
hundred,
that's
unlikely
to
happen.
We
have
equity
and
we
can
get
money.
We
do
pay
rent
on
our
property.
That's
used
for
property
taxes,
upkeep
of
the
the
property
you
utilities,
salaries
and
wages,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
J
So
I,
obviously
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
rate
increase
I
was
shocked
when
I
was
8.5.
I
didn't
expect
that,
personally,
that's
going
to
cost
me
about
700
a
year,
my
Social
Security
will
go
up
about
3,
000.,
so
I'm
in
a
very
different
position
than
a
lot
of
people,
some
others
yeah.
You
know
they
have
issues,
but
again,
once
you
have
Equity
you
know,
maybe
you
can
go
out
and
get
something.
We
have
a
safety
net
in
this
city.
It's
real
good
with
habitat
with
food
banks
was
safe,
etc,
etc.
J
People
can
get
some
help
and
I
want
to
talk
to
you
later
about
that
and
I
want
to
talk
briefly
about
what
Jim
said
last
month,
because
I
think
this
is
the
real
heart
of
the
matter.
I
worked
with
seniors
a
long
time.
I
saw
a
lot
of
trauma
a
lot
of
upset,
even
though
we
had
a
safety
net
where
I
worked
every
year,
people
went
in
for
blood
pressure
checks.
J
They
were
put
on
medication
because
they
were
so
upset
I'm
concerned
at
What's,
Happening
Here
people
are
upset
I'm,
seeing
the
stages
that
Jim
Washington
talked
about
last
month,
upset
anger,
you
know
they
need
medications
and
leave
it
at
that,
and
thank
you
and
by
the
way
they
can
die
from
all
of
this.
That's
how
upset
people.
G
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
thank
you
I'm
Jeff
Schwartz
from
Thousand
Oaks.
It's
been
a
long
two
and
a
half
years
since
March,
2020.
and
now
most
of
the
country
has
decided
to
go
back
to
normal.
Covid
Declarations
of
emergency
have
ended
in
most
States,
including
New
York
Florida,
North,
Carolina
Iowa
and
dozens
of
others.
G
President
Biden
announced
that
the
pandemic
is
over.
Most
countries
have
ended
their
emergency
declarations.
Several
California
counties
have
ended
their
covet
emergency
declarations,
California
City
councils
are
doing
the
same
recently.
Fresno
City
Council
and
Fountain
Valley
City
Council
in
California
both
ended
their
Declarations
of
covet
emergency.
G
G
G
To
say
that
we're
continually
in
an
emergency
does
not
seem
right.
A
case
could
be
made
that
this
city
council
has
not
been
doing
its
Duty
because
it
appears
to
have
a
dual
Duty
under
the
authority
of
law,
as
required
by
California
health
and
safety
code
10
1080..
The
council
is
required
to
formally
review
its
declared
state
of
emergency
every
14
days
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
local
Health
Emergency
needs
to
be
continued.
Even
San,
Diego
city
council
knows
this.
G
The
furthermore
code,
10
1080,
says
you
have
legal
duty
to
terminate
the
local
health
emergency
at
the
earliest
possible
date.
The
conditions
warrant
it's
time
to
put
this
on
the
agenda
and
put
this
up
for
public
comments
and
a
vote
it's
time
to
return
to
normal,
it's
time
to
rescind
the
coveted
Declaration
of
emergency
I'm
Jeff
Schwartz.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
sir.
B
J
Council
members,
this
will
probably
go
on
record
as
the
shortest
comment
from
a
person
in
the
community.
I
live
at
Thunderbird,
Oaks
and
I
wanted
to
make
some
brief
comments,
because
I
have
a
unique
perspective.
I've
only
lived
there
for
three
months,
so
I
kind
of
see
things
differently
from
other
people.
I
was
very
impressed
by
the
research
and
comments
by
other
people
who
live
in
ventua,
States
and
Etc.
J
My
comment
is:
I've
noticed
that
in
the
community
that
I
live,
there
are
people
who
have
a
couple
who
live
in
a
unit
and
they
seem
in
general
to
be
living
a
lifestyle.
In
my
opinion,
that
seems
more
relaxed,
they
travel
more.
J
In
general,
they'll
have
nicer
cars
and
then
there's
people
who
live
by
themselves
and
just
in
general
those
people
who
live
by
themselves
seem
to
be
under
more
stress
and
struggling
more,
and
you
know
that
is
a
generalization
but
I'm
just
saying
it's,
my
observation,
and
so
my
sympathy
goes
out
to
those
people
and
I'm
sure
you
will
take
that
into
consideration
when
you
come
up
with
a
plan
to
deal
with
a
logical
way
to
approach
the
rent
issue
and
then,
as
far
as
the
CPI
is
concerned,
you
know
I
heard
people
mentioning
the
CPI.
J
B
Thank
you,
sir.
That's
our
last
public
comment
this
evening.
I,
usually
we
turn
it
over
to
our
city
manager
for
any
comments
or
are
we
or
questions.
N
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
Obviously
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
my
home
park
issues
on
a
subsequent
item
coming
up
here,
so
I'll
leave
that
discussion
for
there
in
regards
to
Relay
for
Life,
998
promotion
and
the
vctc
mention
we
are
going
to
be
working
to
actively
promote
all
of
those
various
pieces,
and
our
communications
director
will
will
certainly
be
working
in
depth
on
placement
of
988
under
Mental
Health
Resources
we'll
find
the
right
place
for
that
within
our
website
framework.
N
In
regards
to
the
covet
order,
our
emergency
declaration
is
tied
to
the
state's
emergency
declaration
personality
state
law,
and
so
once
this
state
rescinds
our
emergency,
ours
will
automatically
be
rescinded
as
well.
One
important
note
on
that
and
I
know
the
council
is
aware
of
this
and
I
certainly
know
a
lot
of
our
business.
Community
is
aware
of
this.
One
of
really
the
only
piece
that
is
still
active
and
visible
out
in
the
community
is
the
flexibility
that
that
order
has
given
businesses
so
that
business.
N
That
order
provides
businesses
the
opportunity
to
expand
into
parking
lot
spaces
and
do
things
that
would
not
typically
be
allowed
under
normal
circumstances,
and
so
we've
been
very
careful
to
not
have
that
impact
they're,
probably
one
of
our
small
business
Community.
Our
restaurants
in
particular,
are
the
ones
most
impacted
by
covet
and
so
providing
them
that
opportunity
to
have
a
little
bit
more
real
estate.
We've
worked
very
closely
with
the
chamber
to
ensure
that
that
doesn't
go
away
quickly
and
that
order
is
what
provides
that
flexibility.
B
B
M
I
wonder
if
the
city
manager
perhaps
could
tell
me
I'm
looking
at
the
map
I
think
it
was
the
third
of
the
four
illustrations
and
I
I'd
want
to
belabor
this,
but
I
wonder
if
he
could
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
the
history
did,
for
instance,
when
this
original
matter
was
worked
out
with
the
or
the
ones
who
will
be
the
owners
now
part
of
this
property.
N
Correct
and
you
have
Mr
Heater
Mr
Parker,
others
up
there,
so
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that
item
in
detail
as
they've
been
working
on
it.
O
That
is
correct,
sir.
The
the
land
is
owned
by
the
city.
It
is
in
a
long-term
lease
with
the
Caruso,
so.
M
All
the
time
the
Lakes
shopping
center
has
been
there,
they've
been
on
land
that
was
owned
by
the
city.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct
and,
and
now
the
intention
is
that
we,
because
of
the
measure
that
was
passed
earlier,
I'm
looking
at
this
map-
and
it
looks
like
a
strange
configuration
showing
this
dark
area
and
I'm
wondering
why
is
it
it's
correct
that
this
dark
area
is
being
purchased
by
the
developer?.
O
So
as
part
of
the
decision
made
by
this
Council
the
lease,
the
plan
is
for
Caruso
to
purchase
the
back
portion
of
the
property
through
the
lease
terms
that
are
permitted
under
the
lease
terms
and
as
part
of
that
process,
there
needs
to
be
a
new
track
map
or
a
partial
map.
That's
going
to
be
recorded
on
the
property
once
it
is
purchased
to
establish
the
boundaries
and
the
parcel
for
their
ownership.
That
is
part
of
the
lease
terms
that
were
negotiated
years
ago.
O
Of
course,
that
we
went
through-
and
this
is,
could
you
speak
just
a
little
bit
louder
sure?
So
this
was
part
of
the
lease
agreement
and,
as
you
took
action
last
year
on
this
matter,
the
action
was
to
include
the
possible
purchase
through
various
conditions
being
met
and,
as
part
of
that
tonight,
what's
in
front
of
you
in
7D
is
simply
authorizing
the
city
engineer
and
the
city
clerk
to
approve
and
sign
the
parcel
map
once
it
is
deemed
complete.
O
The
fourth
action
that
we're
asking
for
you
tonight
for
the
recommendation
is
simply
to
vacate
to
authorize
a
vacation
or
removal
of
a
public
utility
easement
that
it
goes
across
that
land
that's
never
been
used
by
the
city
and
it
has
no
value
and
so
to
clear
the
title.
That
is
a
simple
action
that
you
would
take
to
clear.
The
title
of
that
easement
I.
O
Runs
generally
North
East
to
Southwest,
it's
never
been
used
by
the
city.
I
was
there
from
you
know,
decades
and
decades
ago,
and
we
believe
there.
O
M
O
As
part
of
the
approved
plan,
once
the
purchase
goes
through,
the
city
will
maintain
that
front
portion
where
the
ponds
are
and
teal
Boulevard
runs,
that
is
Remains
The
City
the
street
that
goes
from
teal
Boulevard
into
the
back
of
the
parking
lot
that
is
currently
there
remains
with
the
city
and
then
the
back
portion,
basically
from
the
back
of
the
buildings,
or
excuse
me
from
the
buildings
back
towards
the
very
back.
Oh
that's
probably.
M
O
P
F
C
C
B
The
mobile
home
rent
stabilization
ordinance
a
continuation
from
our
last
meeting
Madam
clerk.
Do
you
have
any
words
to
speak
at
this?
No
very
good?
Well,
let's
we
have
Patrick
here
assistant,
City,
attorney,
Kelvin
Parker,
for
presentation
and
and
questions.
O
Thank
you
Mr,
mayor
council.
This
is
a
continued
presentation
from
September
13th
and,
as
you
will
recall,
the
city
directed
as
direction
as
directed
by
the
council,
City
staff
reached
out
to
the
mobile
home
park
owners
or
their
management
companies
and
asked
if
they
would
be
willing
to
voluntarily
reduce
the
permitted
increase
that
currently
stands
at
8.5
percent
to
something
less
than
that
percentage
staff
did
reach
out
to
all
the
owners
and
or
their
management
companies
and
communicated
with
each
one
of
them.
M
I
I
I'm,
sorry
to
interject
here,
but
Mr.
He
here,
I
I
could
not
understand
the
word.
You
said
in
that
last
sentence:
okay,.
O
O
B
Thank
you,
colleagues.
Any
questions.
F
Thank
you,
the
the
question
I
have
is
that
well
one
at
least
or
one
landowner
said
that
they
would
be
interested
if
others
participated,
and
if
any
perceived
loss
would
be
recoverable.
Yes,.
F
O
Well,
the
the
direction
for
us
staff
this
last
time
was
to
ask
that
specific
question.
So
that
was
what
was
asked
I'm
just
expressing
to
you.
I,
don't
want
to
get
into
the
paraphrasing
of
every
owner's
comments
or
management
company's
comments
other
than
the
fact
that
the
majority
answer
was
they're,
not
interested
in
answering
the
question
was
no.
Although
I
did
want
to
express
that
one
owner
said,
we
wanted
to
consider
changing
it.
If
there
was
some
way
to
modify
it,
so
I
can
get
the
return
through
a
different
formula.
Yeah.
F
O
Other
options
would
be.
We
talked
about
the
possibility
of
opening
up
the
ordinance,
which
would
again
have
the
risk
that
would
be
there,
and
we
talked,
of
course,
about
mediation
and
the
past
history
of
the
mediation
and
the
history
of
the
mediation
in
the
past
was
that
all
the
owners
and
all
the
tenant
representatives
were
present
at
that
mediation,
except
for
one
Park.
O
F
M
P
M
We
have
very
competent
staff
and
very
excellent
legal
advice
here,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
maybe
a
two-member
committee
from
the
city
council
to
drive
further
I
think
this
is
a
everything
you
know
terribly
serious
matter
for
some
people
that
are
barely
hanging
on
with
Social
Security,
which
is
not
going
up
as
much
as
the
cost
of
living
is
going
up
and,
as
I
said,
when
we
talked
about
this
before
I'm,
not
one
meaning
to
be
overly
dramatic
but
I'd.
M
Much
rather
have
people
in
mobile
home
parks
than
on
the
street,
and
not
only
from
a
Humane
standpoint,
but
also
we
would
then
I
mean
we're
having
a
ribbon
cutting.
Aren't
we
for
a
homeless
shelter
and
that
shows
the
commitment
of
this
city
for
homeless
people,
but
we
don't
want
to
increase
that
population.
Certainly
I
I
would
like
to
suggest
Mr
Mayor
that
we
have
a
I
know.
M
We
can't
have
more
than
two
council
members
meet
on
anything
that
that
we
have
a
maybe
two
members-
maybe
you
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
to
meet
with
these
homeowners
can.
P
N
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
N
Right,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor.
We
as
many
neighbors
up
and
down
to
Boulevard,
know,
there's
been
some
internet
stability
issues
throughout
the
day
today
and
they
persist
as
another
outage
tonight
via
Frontier.
So
we
we
do
have
various
fail-safes
in
place,
though,
and
so
we
are
going
to
be
shifting
those
speakers
that
are
on
a
subsequent
item
on
the
the
homeless
Sheltering
item
that
we're
going
to
shift
them
to
telephonic
participation
and
so
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
each
of
them
directly
with
instructions
associated
with
that.
N
B
M
Well,
I'm
a
little
unclear
as
to
what
all
the
council
members
I
felt
was
going
to
come
out
of
this
particular
item,
but
I'm,
not
content
with
this
original
reaction
of
the
mobile
part
owners
and
I'm
suggesting
that-
and
this
just
was
something
that
occurred
to
me
right
now-
that
perhaps
the
mirror
and
I
could
be
a
committee.
If
he's
thinks
it's
a
something
you'd
like
to
participate
in
Committee
of
two
to
try
to
meet
and
report
back
to
some
as
I
understand
that
we
have
until
November
1st,
to
try
to
work
something
out.
M
If
we
can
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
perhaps
two
elected
people
might
have
some
success
in
negotiating,
because
I
think
this
is
a
a
very
vital
matter
for
many
people,
it
may
be
the
difference
between
staying
in
a
you
know,
home
or
you
know,
being
on
the
street
I
I
hate
to
think
of
that,
but
I
think
Mr
Merritt's
worth
one
more.
Try!
That's
my
point.
That's
what
I'm
suggesting.
M
P
Order,
though,
again
the
direction
the
the
the
agenda
indicates,
you
can
give
staff
directions,
so
you
can.
If
there
is
a
desire
of
counsel,
to
appoint
a
committee
of
two
to
meet
with
the
park
owners.
The
direction
would
be
to
bring
that
item
back
at
the
next
city
council
meeting
or
a
future
one.
M
M
11.
yeah
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
bring
this
back
on
the
11th,
with
the
idea
of
forming
a
two-memporary
council
committee
to
have
a
meeting
with
the
owners
to
try
once
more
to
work.
Something
out
see
if
they'll
listen
to
reason
and
understand
that
they
have
a
captive
audience
and
that
this
raise
May
wipe
out
a
lot
of
people.
It
may
take
away
the
roof
over
the
heads
of
a
lot
of
our
wonderful
citizens.
I
think
it's
worth
one
more
try,
Mr,
Mayor
and
I
would
hope.
M
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Jones,
I,
think
I
I,
don't
know
to
what
purpose
it
would
form
we
could.
Of
course,
we
could
ask
again.
We
asked
a
month
ago
was
told
in
no
unequivocal
terms.
No
with
the
with
the
with
the
council's
backing.
We
were
told
no
again
as
I
mentioned
last
time.
B
Making
these
asks
is
not
without
risk
in
and
of
itself.
So
we
we've
asked
I
I
know
that
many
of
our
folks
here
personally
asked
their
park
owners
and
they
were
told
had
the
same
answer
and
I
know
speaking
to
some
of
them.
The
answers
were
not
made
in
a
very
gentle
way
from
what
I
understand
from
some
of
our
staff.
B
The
answers
are
very
strong,
no's,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
asking
again
will
have
any
substance
of
change
in
the
answer,
and
it
will
have
some
risk
going
forward
to
to
make
those
asks
if
the
owners
have
already
said
it
from
my
understanding.
You've
already
asked
us
that
question.
Why
are
you
asking
us
again.
M
M
If
we
continue
this
item
until
October
11th
and
have
a
a
have
it
on
the
agenda,
it's
an
action
item
and
my
goal
would
be
to
name
a
committee
of
two
members
of
the
council.
Q
M
B
I
I
would
agree
with
you,
but
I
I.
The
answers
have
been
solid.
No's
and
that's
that's
my
my
hesitation.
Is
that
I'm
not
sure
we'll
not
just
spend
two
more
weeks
of
of
well
asking
with
with
the
same
result.
M
Well,
we
haven't
tried
it
yet:
Mr
Mayor,
we
haven't
tried
to
have
two
elected
people,
sit
down
with
the
owners
and
I
think
to
for
the
a
peace
of
mind,
and
maybe
the
ultimate
Destiny
of
a
lot
of
people
that
we
don't
want
to
have
out
on
the
street.
I
think
it's
worth
one
more
try
and
I
would
move
that.
M
We
continue
this
to
the
11th,
with
the
idea
of
debating
and
and
forming
a
two-personal
committee
from
this
Council
to
sit
down
one
last
time
with
the
owners
to
see
if
they
would
listen
to
reason
and
and
prevent
some
people,
perhaps
from
having
to
lose
their
Dwelling
Places.
So
I
think
it's
worth
one
more
try
that's
my
motion.
Q
Thank
you
mayor.
A
couple
of
the
discussion
points
that
I'm
hearing
tonight
concern
me
and,
and
one
is
a
theme
that
I've
been
hearing
throughout
these
meetings-
that
this
CPI
increase
is
going
to
cause
a
rash
of
homelessness.
One
of
the
speakers
mentioned
that
I
think
quote:
unquote.
Hundreds
of
people
will
be
forced
to
the
streets
and
you've
said
over
and
over
again
that
people
are
going
to
lose
their
homes.
Because
of
this,
what
I
would
like
to
know
if
you're
making
those
kind
of
assertions
do
you
have
any
evidence
of
that?
Q
M
Q
M
Q
Q
M
J
B
On
guys
right
now
we
have
to
discuss
and
we
we
don't
take
questions
from
the
audience.
I'm.
Sorry,
sir,
the.
Q
Reason
I
ask
it:
is
that
concerns
me
I
don't
want
to
see
people
lose
their
homes
and
when
you
make
these
kind
of
assertions
it
gets
my
attention.
Obviously,
and
the
gentleman
out
in
the
audience
said
hundreds
of
people
are
going
to
lose
their
homes.
Yeah
I
talked
to
a
couple
of
mobile
home
park
managers,
not
owners
managers,
I
talked
to
one
who's
been
managing
parks
for
30
years.
He
manages
a
park
here
in
the
city.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
his
company
manages
48
Parks.
Q
He
said
over
the
30
years,
he's
never
quote,
never
seen
anyone
evicted
as
a
senior
as
a
World,
War
II
veteran
as
a
social
security
recipient.
Their
policy
is
no
displacement.
They
don't
want
to
evict
people.
That's
the
last
thing
they
want
to
do.
I
talked
to
another
owner,
who's
got
not
an
owner.
A
manager,
I
didn't
talk
to
owners.
Q
He
manages
79.
Parks
told
me
the
same
thing
now
they
have
done
evictions
for
people
with
they
mentioned
substance,
abuse
problems
and
things
like
that.
But
and
and
the
reason
they
don't
do.
That
is
because
number
one
they
don't.
They
don't
want
to
evict
their
residents
but
number
two.
They
have
rental
assistance
programs
that
these
folks
can
apply
for
and
they
offer
them
privately
and
there
they
can
there's
one
where
you
can
get
a
partial
rent
reduction
with
no
payback.
Q
So
this
you
got
to
be
careful
with
this
rhetoric
that
all
these
people
are
going
to
become
homeless.
Again,
that's
I
think
that's
the
last
thing.
The
parks
want
the.
M
Q
Yeah
and
the
the
other
thing
I
I
don't
quite
understand
either.
Is
we
ask
the
owners
once
through
staff?
We
ask
the
owners
twice
through
with
the
auspices
of
the
city
council.
Six
of
the
owners
said
flat
out.
No
and
I
can
tell
you
this
a
couple
more
offended
by
the
insinuation
that
they
would
be
forcing
people
out
onto
the
street
for
what
that's
worth
six
of
them
said.
Q
No
one
dropped
it
to
six
voluntarily
and
one
said
well,
yeah
I'll
be
happy
to
work
with
you
on
that,
but
I
want
to
make
it
up
on
the
back
end.
So
I
don't
lose
any
money,
so
you
suggested
that
we
have
a
some
sort
of
a
talk.
How
does
how
does
that
add
up
to
rent
relief?
If
six
said
no
twice,
one
dropped
it
to
six
voluntarily
and
one
said
yeah
I
could
work
with
you
on
that,
but
I'm
not
going
to
take
a
loss.
You'll
have
to
make
it
up
in
another
way.
B
Well
hold
on.
We
have
mayor
of
Mr
McNamee
thank.
E
You
thank
you,
mayor,
Mr,
Jones,
I'm,
very
empathetic,
to
the
person
deciding
if
they're
going
to
pay,
rent
or
they're
going
to
put
food
on
the
table.
We
have
a
very,
very
generous
Community
here
that
provides
support
services
for
those
people
in
that
situation
and
there's
many
food
banks
out
there
and
so
forth
mayor.
Perhaps
you
as
an
expert
in
this
area,
could
you
comment
on
some
of
the
food
supports
that
we
have
so
at
least
people
will
not
have
to
necessarily
choose
between
eating
versus
paying
rent.
E
What
support
services
do
we
have
and
then
the
other
is
for
a
city
manager.
What
other
support
either
the
county
or
city
has
for
rent
subsidies
or
helping
people
through
one
one
person
actually
made
the
excellent
suggestion
of
reverse
mortgages,
which
I
thought
was
brilliant.
If
you've
got
equity
in
the
in
the
property,
could
you
please
share
some
of
the
support
services?
We
have.
B
Well,
I'll
speak
to
the
one.
I
was
the
president
of
Mata,
the
pecano
Bank
of
Canada
Valley's
food
pantry,
Food
Bank.
They
have
no
income
income
needs.
If
you
need,
you
say
you
need
food,
you
go
there
and
you
get
food.
If
you
can't
get
there,
they
will
have
it
delivered
to
you.
So
there
are
Services
out
there
that
can
that
can
help.
B
There
are
now
I'll.
Let
the
city
manager
speak
to
it
a
little
bit
more,
but
they're
county-wide.
There
is
two
one
one
two
one
one
has
multiple
multitude
of
services
that
are
available
for
people
who
are
in
need,
so
there
are
services
available.
Like
I,
say:
I
was
personally
involved
with
Mana
and
we
our
our
mission,
was
to
keep
people
in
their
homes.
N
Thank
you,
councilmember
McNamee.
Actually,
our
our
team
in
preparing
for
tonight's
meeting
is
sort
of
going
to
prepare
an
email.
That's
going
to
go
out
to
all
the
park
managers
that
we've
been
interacting
with
that
sort
of
identifies
out
all
these
resources,
which
are
available
on
our
City
website
and
otherwise,
but
recognizing
that
everybody's
circumstances
are
unique
and
that
I
know
one
size
fits
all
approach.
Is
there
we
have
utility
assistance
program
that
we
run
through
the
city
here
all
these
have
different.
You
know:
income
restrictions
and
other
components
to
them.
N
F
Thank
you,
I
think.
The
distinction
here
tonight
is
that
the
question
was
asked
of
the
property
owners,
whether
they
are
willing
to
lower
the
rent,
and
they
said
no
and
then
with
the
new
information
tonight
there
was
one
Park
owner.
That
said
he
would
be
willing
or
they
would
be
willing
to
look
at
the
overall
RSO
if
something
could
be
worked
out.
So
there
is
a
difference.
F
One
was
asking
to
lower
the
rent,
but
tonight
Mr
Jones's
motion
seems
to
me
it
is
to
actually
look
at
the
ordinance
and
see
if
the
CPI
could
be
capped
and
and
how
to
do
that
so
that
a
property
owners
feel
like
they
are
not
losing
anything.
So
it's
their
whole.
There
are
two
different,
very
different
questions
and,
yes,
we
do
have
rent
relief
available.
We've
got
all
kinds
of
Social,
Services
I
know
Ventura
County,
Human,
Services
Agency
even
has
on
their
website
that
you
can
go
to
rental
relief.
F
F
I,
personally,
don't
really
want
to
find
out
how
many
and
who
is
about
to
become
homeless
and
so
I.
Don't
think
anyone
made
the
statement
that
hundreds
will
become
homeless.
I,
don't
know
that,
but
the
situation
is
dire
enough,
that
for
people
to
be
here
tonight,
for
them
it
is
dire,
and
what
can
we
lose
by
not
doing
anything
tonight?
F
F
M
I've
suggested
the
mayor
and
myself
to
meet
with
these
Park
owners
to
have
one
last
chance
to
see
if
they
would
have
a
more
reasonable
rent
increase
and
I
just
feel
it's
worth
one
more
try,
because
I
believe
from
what
the
testimony
and
councilman
Adam
very
correctly
asked
me
what
I
know
you
know
from
a
standpoint
of
admissible
evidence
and
I'm
assuming
these
Park
residents
would
be
considered
expert
testimony.
Court
does
EX,
you
know,
except,
as
you
know,
Madam
attorney
expert
testimony
in
cases
and
they're
right
close
to
it.
M
I
think
they
perhaps
would
know
about
a
neighbor,
that's
just
hanging
on
by
the
skin
of
his
teeth,
and
so
I
accept
what
they're
saying
that
nobody's
ever
said.
All
of
them
we're
gonna
be
out,
but
they
implicated
some
would
and
so
I
think
it's
worth
one
more
try
and
that's
my
motion
that
we
continue
it
to
the
11th
with
the
idea
of
forming
a
two-member
committee
to
meet
once
last
time
to
try
to
get
a
better
arrangement
with
the
park
owners.
B
Q
Just
for
informational
purposes,
one
of
the
speakers
did
say
in
fact,
that
I
wrote
it
down.
Hundreds
of
residents
would
be
forced
to
the
streets
and
I
just
consider
that
to
be
dangerous
rhetoric.
Frankly,
I.
Don't
really
believe
hundreds
of
residents
are
going
to
be
forced
to
the
streets.
I,
really
don't
I
like
to
think
no
residents
will
be
forced
to
the
streets,
I
suppose
it's
possible,
but
going
on
the
track
record
of
the
parks
that
I
talked
to.
No
one
has
ever
been
evicted
for
inability
to
pay.
Q
Maybe
they
maybe
they
were
telling
me
the
truth,
but
I
I
think
by
talking
to
them
they
were
and
I
think
when
you
just
mentioned
the
park
owner.
That
said
that
they'd
be
willing
to
speak,
you
left
part
of
it
out.
They
said
we
yeah
we'd
be
willing
to
talk
about
it,
but
we're
not
going
to
lose
any
money
doing
it.
Q
Yes,
we
I,
don't
I,
didn't
hear
the
end
part.
The
end
part
was
the
owner
and
Mr.
He
had
confirmed.
That
was
that
yeah
we
might
be
willing
to
adjust
it,
but
we're
not
going
to
we're
going
to
have
to
recoup
our
costs
one
way
or
another.
So
it's
a
zero-sum
game,
we're
right
back
where
we
started
from
so
this.
Q
Would
this
motion
is
basically
saying
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
owners
for
a
third
time
and
ask
him
again
if
they
will
in
fact
lower
the
rate
and,
as
you
probably
know,
we've
already
gotten
correspondence
from
one
attorney
indicating
that
there's
a
potential
for
looking
at
some
consequences
to
that.
F
Couple
of
hours,
no,
what
I
mentioned
is
that
the
sitting
down
to
rework
the
ordinance
but
to
make
sure
I
did
say
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
owner's
needs
are
met
in
that
they're,
not
losing
money.
That's
what
I
did
say
in
my
comment
and
so
I
don't
know
about
any
rent
relief
other
than
through
the
Ventura
County
Human
Services
Agency.
Whether
there
is
anything
in
writing
that
says
they
will
give
you
a
break
over
how
many
years
to
pay
less
or
to
apply
for
rent
relief.
F
F
Well
I
mean
we
would
that
that's
why
it
would
be
good
to
sit
down
and
have
an
out
talk
committee
to
rework
the
ordinance
and
then
to
also
see
that
those
policies
that
they
may
have
in
place
these
landowners
or
Park
owners
that
those
are
available
to
to
everyone,
because
right
now,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
I
mean
I
haven't
heard
a
single
mobile
home
owner
mentioned
that.
So,
if.
Q
Q
Q
B
The
the
typically
I,
let
everybody
put
their
comments
in
then
I-
try
to
have
my
own
comments,
but
our
last
our
last
our
last
meeting
we
decided
to
with
the
weight
of
the
city
council
to
send
staff
back
to
this
to
the
owners
saying
that
you
know
asking
a
very
narrow
question:
will
you
reduce
the
rent
below
the
8.5.
B
I'm
I'm.
Sorry,
sir
sorry,
sir
I
can't
I
can't
take
comments
from
the
audience
right
now,
but
what
we
asked
them
to
do
was
go
and
talk
to
this
to
the
owners
and
try
to
reduce
the
amount
of
the
rent,
see
what
the
willingness
would
be
to
reduce
the
amount
of
the
increase
they
came
back
and
and
pretty
much
said.
No
most
of
them
said
no
one
said
maybe
and
the
other
one
said:
I've
already
reduced
it.
B
There
was
a
reason
we
were
very
narrow
last
time.
I
did
ask
a
question
that,
can
we
have
a
zipper
Clause?
Can
we
only
zipper
open
the
rate
increase
and
not
zipper
open
the
entire
agreement
that
was
arrived
at
10
12
years
ago?
B
B
B
B
B
So
with
that,
in
my
opinion,
on
the
on
the
on
the
motion
put
by
my
colleague,
we're
asking
the
same
question
again,
my
anticipation
is,
we
will
get
the
same
answer
again.
M
Just
one
point
of
clarification:
Mr
Mayor
I'm
not
asking
to
open
up
the
whole
agreement
I'm
just
asking
if
they
would
listen
to
reason.
If
two
council
members
met
with
them.
B
P
Need
some
clarification,
though,
because
I'm
I'm
confused
so
maybe
I
missed
something.
It
appears
to
me
that
mayor
Pro,
tem
Jones,
your
motion
is
to
again
direct
staff
to
bring
back
to
you
know.
Continue.
The
item
have
staff
bring
back
an
agenda
item
for
requesting
whether
you
want
to
form
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
meet
with
the
park
owners
and
ask
one
last
chance
if
they
would
reduce
the
rent
for.
M
P
P
P
O
A
M
M
He's
called
the
question
we
can.
We
can
vote
on
the
question
yeah.
B
P
F
F
A
M
F
Debate
so
then
can
I
yeah,
I
I
need
to
say
no
because
I
it
it
doesn't.
F
We
were
going
to
go
broader,
so
I
am
going
to
vote,
wait
a
minute.
What
is
it
you
said
if
we
vote
no,
then
it
will
make
another
question.
P
Q
B
Q
Q
The
during
the
last
mediation
between
the
the
rental
God,
the
RSO
right
when
Ranch
was
suing
the
city,
Claudia
and
I,
went
to
Ranch
multiple
times.
Did
we
not?
We
met
with
Kathy
Goodspeed,
we
met
with
Jim
wolf,
we
watched
him
organized
safe,
which
is
a
wonderful
organization
and
I.
Think
Claudia
will
join
in
with
me.
In
this.
We
did
everything
we
could
to
help
the
ranch
residents
and
we
put
aside
the
litigation,
because
we
both
have
an
affinity
for
seniors
and
their
struggles.
Q
F
Money
because
they
were
in
Dire
Straits,
so
my
GoFundMe
page
led
to
the
formation
creation
of
seniors
for
seniors
for
empowerment,
senior
Alliance
for
empowerment,
safe.
Q
And
we've
responded
to
that
by
sending
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
Ranch
and
other
homes
through
the
Community
Development
block
grants,
we've
even
worked
to
get
smaller
things
like
water
heaters
and
and
roofs
re-roofed.
Have
we
not
anyway
I'm
just
trying
to
make
the
point
that
there's
definitely
empathy
here?
All
right,
I
got
a
91
year
old
mother,
all
right,
my
father
passed
away
a
couple
of
years
ago,
she's
left
with
meager
savings
and
she
lives
on
Social
Security.
F
Q
And
I
worked
together
on
this
over
the
years
and
I
just
want
people
to
understand
that
you
know,
and
and
finally-
and
this
is
just
a
side
note
for
what
it's
worth
when
mayor
fox-
has
brought
up
numerous
times
when
he
did
the
mediation
at
the
time
his
parents
lived
in
Thunderbird,
they
lived
in
Thunderbird,
so
he
he
definitely
had
had
an
affinity
for
the
situation
that
you
were
all
in
at
the
time
and
he
take
it
for
what
it's
worth.
Q
There's
no
one
here
that
is
not
empathetic
to
your
situation.
Believe
me,
foreign.
B
F
M
M
M
I
just
wish
that
I
thought
the
two
members
of
the
council
they've
never
talked
to
two
elected
excuse
me,
people
before
good,
to
have
them,
listen
to
reason
and
for
the
coming
year,
Laura
to
at
least
five
percent.
That's
that
we
would
meet
with
them.
I
was
suggesting
the
mayor,
and
myself
would
do
that.
That's
my
motion.
Okay,.
B
F
So
now
that
my
now
that
it's
been
clarified
that
Mr
Jones
is
not
interested
in
opening
up
the
whole
ordinance
regarding
the
CPI,
which
would
have
been
my
preference
and
what
the
the
his
motion
just
failed.
Can
we
reinstate
it.
F
P
M
B
A
motion
on
the
floor,
Madame
clerk,
any
other
comments
here.
Colleagues,
Madame
Clerk.
Q
Q
C
B
Very
good
Miss
building,
depending
did
you
want
to
bring
your
motion
forward
that
you.
F
A
yeah
then
I
will
I
will
move
to
have
the
our
talk
committee
put
on
the
next
agenda
to
start
a
discussion
on
the
RSO
and
the
CPI.
P
O
Certainly
mayor,
we
did
ask
a
second
question
and
I
want
to
be
clear
as
councilmember
Jones,
that
when
we
spoke
with
all
the
owners
and
the
management,
we
were
very
clear
that
we
had
a
presentation,
the
previous
council
meeting.
O
So
that
includes
things
such
as
the
base
year
includes
CPI
includes
the
percentage
of
the
index.
It
includes
the
annual
rate.
It
includes
several
other
several
other
things,
including
including
whether
or
not
there
would
be
a
cap
and
including
whether
or
not
there
would
be
a
minimum
to
any
rent
increase
over
each
year.
So
those
were
expressed
just
for
mediation
and
the
answers
were
for
not
interested
at
this
time.
One
ownership
was
interested
to
owner
stated,
possibly
if
you
opened
up
the
entire
ordinance.
P
Sorry,
if
you're,
making
changes
to
the
rent,
stabilization,
ordinance
and
we've
talked
about
levels
of
risk.
Obviously
the
least
riskiest
is
if
everyone
comes
to
the
table,
and
everyone
agrees
as
as
evidenced
by
the
last
time
we
made
changes
to
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance
after
mediation.
All
the
park
owners
agreed
all
of
the
resident
organizations,
except
for
one
did
not
agree
and
we
were
engaged
in
litigation
with
the
threat
of
completely
setting
aside
the
rent
stabilization
ordinance.
P
So
if
you
don't
have
100
participation,
then
the
risks
significantly
increase
that
there
could
be
challenges
to
the
ordinance,
including
elimination
of
rent
control.
So
it's
it's
up
to
the
council.
It's
a
matter
of
your
risk.
Preference
I.
Think
that
the
last
meeting
you
indicated
you
wanted
100,
but
it's
ultimately
up
to
the
city
council,
because
there's
significant
risks
involved
in
that
do.
O
F
Then
this
information
could
possibly
be
shared
well,
no,
actually
it
can't
foreign.
A
F
B
B
No
Miss
Villa
De
Pena
was
talking
about
having
a
motion
I'm.
A
F
Going
to
withdraw
the
motion
because
the
motion
was
and
Mr
Jones
already
said
he
he
wouldn't
be
supporting
it-
to
look
at
to
speak
to
the
property
owners,
the
park
owners
to
and
share
information
with
them
that
there
are
other
Park
owners
that
are
willing
to
consider.
Looking
at
the
rent,
stabilization,
ordinance,
you're.
F
That
up
okay!
So
then
that
would
be
failing
as
well
like
motion
so
I'll
withdraw
it.
E
Like
to
make
a
motion
to
receive
the
file
for
10A,
please.
F
B
B
Very
good,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
on
now
to
our
next
order
of
business.
B
Let's,
let's
pause
for
a
break
I
think
we
have
our
our
internet
coming
back
up,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
it
stabilized.
So,
let's
get
about
a
five
minute
break.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
Very
good,
okay,
everybody
looks
like
our
our
I.T
is,
has
worked
some
Miracles,
so
we
can
go
on
to
our
next
item
now.
Our
next
item
is
our
ad
hoc
homeless
committee
update
we're
going
to
turn
things
over
to
our
assistant
city
manager,
Ingrid
Hardy,
for
the
presentation.
We
also
have
Jamie
vascareno
vascarino
Hater
Hater
adari
for
questions,
and
we
also
have
our
our
vulnerable
population
officers
here.
If
there's
any
questions
for
those
gentlemen.
R
Before
we
get
into
the
substance
of
tonight's
item,
I
always
like
to
start
with
a
reminder
of
the
elements
of
an
effective
homelessness
crisis
response
system.
Ultimately,
the
goal
of
this
system
is
to
make
homelessness,
rare
brief
and
non-recurring.
The
system
helps
identify
and
quickly
connect
people
who
are
experiencing,
or
at
risk
of
experiencing
homelessness
to
housing,
assistance
and
other
services,
foreign
through
the
Ventura
County's
Continuum
of
Care
strategic
efforts
and
collaboration
with
local
jurisdictions.
Our
regional
homelessness
crisis
response
system
continues
to
make
demonstrable
progress.
R
R
In
addition,
project
room
key,
while
it
provides
much
needed
non-congregate
shelter,
the
criteria
for
this
program
is
based
on
vulnerability
and
the
age
of
the
clients,
which
must
be
65
or
older.
We
also
have
local
Services
providers,
such
as
Harbor
House
and
Lutheran
Social
Services,
who
provide
motel
vouchers,
but
resources
are
very
limited.
R
R
Over
the
past
four
years,
the
city
council
has
focused
its
annual
priorities
on
addressing
homelessness
and
affordable
housing.
Last
year,
council's
priority
included
two
key
actions
to
identify
and
Advance
solutions
for
emergency
Sheltering
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
to
address
homelessness.
The
two
key
actions
by
the
city
council
is
one
we
entered
into
an
agreement
with
Shangri-La,
Industries
and
Step
Up
on
Second
to
pursue
the
Quality,
Inn
and
Suites
as
future
permanent
Supportive
Housing
and
then.
R
While
many
mansions
and
its
Partners
made
a
solid
and
diligent
effort
this
past
year
to
identify
property
due
to
the
cost
and
limited
available
real
estate
options,
impacts
of
high
inflation
and
unique
location
preferences,
they
were
unable
to
identify,
acquire
and
convert
a
site
as
such
recognizing
the
urgency
and
the
need
for
interim
housing.
The
ad
hoc
committee
asked
staff
to
focus
their
efforts
on
a
new
project
by
finding
a
location
for
interim
housing.
R
As
a
reminder,
I
do
want
to
clarify
for
the
city,
council
and
members
of
the
public
the
difference
between
interim
housing
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
on
the
interim
housing.
It's
just
that
it's
temporary
oftentimes,
the
term
shelter
is
used
which
is
okay.
However,
as
services
and
service
models
have
evolved,
it's
more
appropriate
to
refer
to
tonight's
item
as
the
most
commonly
used
industry
term
of
a
navigation,
Center
and
I
want
to
ensure
that
the
council
and
members
of
the
public
are
not
confusing
a
navigation
center
with
a
drop-in
center.
R
So
when
you
have
a
drop-in
center,
people
can
line
up
and
congregate
outside
for
services
for
Mills,
and
that
is
not
what
is
being
proposed
this
evening.
The
navigation
Center
will
be
referral
based.
Only
persons
residing
here
will
have
a
case
manager
who
will
help
them
navigate
their
housing
options,
education,
employment
options,
Health
Care
needs
and
other
services.
The
goal
of
interim
housing
is
to
have
a
pathway
to
permanent
or
to
create
a
pathway
to
permanent
housing
and
then
on
the
permanent
Supportive
Housing
side.
That's
exactly
what's
occurring
at
the
Quality,
Inn
and
Suites.
R
This
just
provides
this
side
provides
a
closer
look
of
what
that
process
is
like
that
pathway
to
permanent
housing.
So,
with
the
interim
housing,
clients
are
identified
through
Outreach,
they
are
assigned
a
unit
at
an
interim
housing
site
where
they
receive
laundry
where
they
can
do.
Their
laundry
have
meals
a
roof
over
their
head,
and
then
they
also
have
case
management
and
navigation
services
and
then
are
moved
on
to
permanent
housing.
R
So
the
interdisciplinary
team
of
City
staff
looked
at
options
for
citing
interim
housing.
Only
this
included
evaluating
nearly
two
dozen
locations
throughout
the
city.
Looking
at
the
potential
sites,
benefits
and
constraints,
the
financial
investment
required
timeline
to
complete
the
project
and
bring
the
project
online
and
other
short-term
and
long-term
benefits
and
trade-offs
to
the
city,
its
residents
and
businesses.
With
such
limited
options,
staff
narrowed
its
search
to
look
for
locations
that
could
accommodate
modular
units
only
as
finding
a
permanent
facility
proved
to
be
extremely
challenging.
R
Foreign,
so
why
modular
housing
modular
units
require
less
of
a
financial
commitment?
The
cost
per
square
foot
versus
a
permanent
unit
is
twice
to
five
times
the
amount
for
a
remodel
or
tenant
approvement
tenant,
Improvement
modular
units
will
help
the
city
meet
the
immediate
and
urgent
need
for
housing.
They
unhoused
as
well
as
serves
as
a
tool
for
our
law
enforcement.
R
The
units
are
transportable
City
staff
and
law
enforcement
have
visited
interim
housing
sites
with
modular
units
in
Reseda,
as
well
as
in
Downtown
Santa
Barbara.
We
presented
our
findings
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
the
ad
hoc
committee
has
recommended
moving
forward
with
this
project
as
the
next
best
option
for
interim
housing.
At
this
time,.
R
So
these
are
just
a
few
slides
to
give
the
council
and
the
public
an
idea
of
what
these
communities
of
modular
units
look
like.
This
is
dignity
moves
in
Santa
Barbara.
They
just
recently
opened
and
started
accepting
residents
the
past
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
The
community
is
immediately
adjacent
to
Morgan
Stanley
advisors
and
is
located
in
the
heart
of
their
downtown
area.
There
are
33
private
rooms
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness,
there's
laundry
facilities,
showers
and
extensive
services
such
like,
such
as
an
on-site
Clinic,
provide
it
to
the
client
good.
R
This
next
one
is
Hope
of
the
valley
and
Reseda
similar
to
the
dignity.
Moves
in
Santa,
Barbara
on-site
wraparound
services
are
provided.
This
particular
site
is
located
in
a
residential.
Neighborhood
is
also
near
a
library,
Park
and
police
station.
There
are
52
units
available
at
this
site,
and
it
also
includes
I
should
mention
a
dog
run
as
well
as
storage,
and
then
finally,
this
is
well.
R
We
just
did
a
virtual
tour
of
this
site,
and
this
is
the
Baldwin
Park
Esperanza
Village,
and
you
can
see
that
the
configuration
of
the
site
is
very
similar
to
the
site
that
we
will.
That
will
be
presented
on
the
next
slide.
R
So
the
recommended
site
being
brought
forth
by
the
ad
hoc
committee
tonight
is
a
city-owned
property
at
1205,
Lawrence
Drive,
public
transportation
is
about
a
half
a
mile
away,
there's
also
a
grocery
store
located
less
than
a
mile
away.
There
are
a
number
of
improvements
that
will
be
required
at
this
site,
such
as
utility
connections
and
improvements
for
Wastewater
water
and
electrical
grading,
Paving
Landscaping,
and
then
you
also
see
the
street
view
of
the
site.
So
this
is
a
property
that
is
currently
underutilized
and
considering
all
options
that
have
been
explored.
R
There
are
a
number
of
potential
funding
sources
available
to
support
this
project.
On
the
capital
side,
we
do
have
budgeted
City
funds,
including
our
general
fund
and
Housing
Trust
Fund,
that
was
set
aside
by
the
city
council
during
the
last
budget
process.
There
are
also
potentially
County
funds
available,
as
well
as
state
project
home
key
dollars.
R
On
the
operating
side,
we
have
general
fund
there's
also
the
permanent
local
housing
allocation
funding
available,
which
is
currently
being
managed
by
the
county
through
a
county-wide
pool.
And
then
we
are
also
asking
that
the.
If
the
item
goes
forward
tonight,
that
the
council
authorized
the
mayor
to
send
a
letter
to
the
county,
requesting
support
for
Capital
and
operating
dollars
and
there's
also
a
number
of
grants
that
are
available
through
the
county.
Continuum
of
Care,
as
well
as
state
project
home
key
dollars.
Potentially
for
operating
the
project
home
key.
R
Just
on
the
client
selection
process,
because
one
of
the
most
common
questions
and
concerns
from
the
public
when
it
comes
to
citing
interim
housing
as
well
as
permanent,
Supportive
Housing,
is
whether
or
not
this
will
attract
individuals
from
outside
of
the
city.
We
currently
have
250
unsheltered
persons
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness
and
Thousand
Oaks,
and
according
to
our
law
enforcement,
as
well
as
local
service
providers,
most
of
these
individuals
do
have
roots
or
ties
to
Thousand
Oaks.
R
R
In
addition,
if
city
council
moves
forward
with
this
effort
and
location,
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
RFP
will
be
for
the
operator
to
only
accept
referrals
from
thousand
oaks-based
non-profits
County
agencies
who
served
Thousand
Oaks
residents
as
well
as
our
law
enforcement,
and
we
will
we
or
we
do
propose
holding
beds
for
law
enforcement
purposes.
Only
the
operator
will
receive
referrals,
they'll
conduct
their
screening
and
intake,
and
then
the
client
is
also
is
required
to
sign
a
contract
or
or
participation
agreement.
R
Recognizing
the
significance
of
this
project
and
the
importance
of
providing
education
and
engagement
opportunities,
a
number
of
Engagement
efforts
are
forthcoming.
The
city's
website
on
homelessness
serves
as
the
primary
resource
of
information.
It
includes
information
on
understanding,
homelessness,
understanding,
homelessness
and
the
law,
as
well
as
the
city's
role.
R
There
will
also
be
targeted
engagement
with
surrounding
businesses
and,
in
fact,
this
engagement
and
Outreach
has
already
begun.
Our
business
Ombudsman
hater
alawami
has
contacted
Brokers
property
owners
and
business
owners
in
the
surrounding
area
and
will
continue
to
remain
in
communication
as
expected.
There
are
concerns
and
questions,
but
based
on
staff's
discussions
with
other
jurisdictions
inside
and
outside
of
Ventura
County
and
law,
enforcement's
conversations
with
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
We
are
confident
that
this
site,
or
this
use,
will
have
minimal
impact
having
a
qualified
and
experienced
operator
is
key.
R
Finally,
as
part
of
the
entitlement
process,
the
project
is
subject
to
a
special
use
permit
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
This
process
will
provide
additional
opportunities
for
interested
community
members
to
engage
and,
in
addition,
the
sup
approval
will
require
that
certain
conditions
are
met.
The
selected,
developer
and
operator
will
also
be
required
to
host
Community
engagement
meetings.
R
R
If
the
item
before
the
council
is
approved
this
evening,
this
is
a
summary
of
the
next
steps
staff
would
issue
the
RFP
there
will
be
in
community
engagement
efforts.
We
will
interview
the
proposers
and
then
return
to
the
Council
on
your
December
6th
meeting
with
the
recommended
developer
and
operator.
R
So
these
are
the
recommendations
before
the
city
council
want
to
authorize
staff
to
issue
an
RFP
for
construction
and
operation
of
a
navigation,
Center
or
emergency
shelter
at
1205,
Lawrence
Drive,
to
adopt
the
resolution
declaring
the
property
located
at
1205,
Lawrence
Drive
as
exempt
Surplus
land
and
third,
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
a
letter
to
the
County
of
Ventura,
requesting
financial
assistance
similar
to
when
the
council
considers
giving
the
green
light
for
development
pre-applications.
This
is
what
is
being
asked
of
the
city
council
tonight.
R
R
This
includes
my
presentation
for
this
meeting
at
this
time.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
for
comments
or
anything
that
I
may
have
missed.
In
my
presentation
from
our
discussions
and
as
the
mayor
mentioned
in
his
comments,
we
do
have
staff
from
Finance
public
works
or
law
enforcement
and
the
county
that
are
available
to
answer
questions.
The
council
may
have
thank
you.
B
F
I
think
it
is
important
to
show
pictures
to
see
what
such
navigation
Center
would
look
like,
and
to
know
that
such
centers
exist
in
a
very
active
commercial
center
in
Santa
Barbara,
for
example,
next
to
Morgan,
Stanley
and
it
it
can
be
handled
extremely
well
and
safely
and
I
think
that
that
is
an
important
point
to
to
bring
up,
and
it's
also
important
to
mention
how
we've
been
at
this
for
several
years.
This
is
now
year
number
five.
Almost
it
takes
time.
F
It
takes
patience,
it
takes
perseverance
and
while
this
is
maybe
not
the
perfect
site,
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
perfect
site,
but
certainly
it
is
the
best
available
under
the
circumstances
and
the
clock
is
ticking
on
Project
home
key,
so
funding
for
that
as
well.
So
I
know
there
has
been
a
thorough,
thorough
search
for
Parcels
all
over
town
commercial
as
well
as
industrial.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
lopeena.
Thank
you
again
for
the
presentation,
just
from
my
perspective
and
what
we've
talked
about
in
the
committee.
B
A
lot
of
people
do
have
a
misunderstanding
of
what
a
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
a
lot
of
people
in
their
mind.
They
see
us
a
Rescue,
Mission,
Skid
Row
type
facility.
This
is
not
what
we
are
proposing
to
do.
B
We
are
proposing
to
do
a
an
interim
housing
transition
Center
without
any
possibility
of
people
just
dropping
in
we
have
our
our
I
would
imagine
that
our
two
officers,
who
are
in
constant
contact
with
all
of
our
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
town
will
be
able
to
help
bring
the
people
to
this
Center
that
are,
that
will
be
able
to
then
use
that
Center
to
migrate
into
more
permanent
housing.
B
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
latest
Center
that
was
opened
up
in
Santa
Barbara
is
invisible
to
the
street.
There's
a
wall
with
a
door.
All
the
residents
have
a
key
to
that
door.
They're
able
to
enter
it
it
is
it
used
to
be
a
parking
lot.
It's
now
a
center
that
is
helping
30
35
people.
B
B
There
was
one
person
who
was
in
a
park
in
a
car
outside
that
was
the
only
crime
in
the
area.
This
is
what
we
are
working
on
in
Thousand
Oaks.
This
is
not
like
I
say
what
some
people
may
have
in
their
mind
with
that
I
think
I'll
open
up
to
any
other
questions.
For
my
colleagues,
Mr
Adam
I
was
looking
straight
at
you
when
I
said
that.
Thank
you.
Q
Mayor,
Claudia
and
and
Bob
thanks
so
much
for
your
work
on
this
committee.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
haul,
but
we
definitely
have
some
results.
We're
going
to
the
ribbon
cutting
tomorrow
for
our
permanent
Supportive
Housing
project
at
the
Quality
Inn,
and
you
both
had
a
lot
to
do
with
that.
And
now
we
move
on
to
interim
housing.
Q
We
have
a
last
count,
I
think
about
250
homeless
in
the
city,
and
some
of
them
live
in
encampments,
which
we
get
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
residents
about
encampments
and,
needless
to
say,
they're,
don't
like
them
concerned
about
them,
so
am
I
as
I
see
at
this
interim
housing
would
be
a
partial
solution
to
encampments
and
if
I,
if
I
got
this,
somebody
in
in
an
encampment
in
a
tent
if
they
were
referred,
could
very
well
end
up
in
one
of
these
modular
homes.
Is
that
correct?
Q
R
Q
Good
I
can't
think
of
it.
I
mean
these
fellows
are
right
on
the
ground.
I
know
I've
been
out
with
previous
vulnerable
vulnerable
population
officers
and
it
nobody
knows
the
situation
better
than
they
do
and
I
think
that
they
could
really
make
a
very
intelligent
referral
base
for
us
and
as
far
as
the
Santa
Barbara
project
goes
as
I
understand,
it
filled
up
in
the
first
week
really
very
successful.
So
thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
mayor
I
have
three
questions
to
the
three
question
limit
here.
One
deals
with
the
Boise
decision,
and
perhaps
the
officers
can
address
this
as
well
as
our
City
attorney
I,
think
it
would
be
best
if
you
would
a
City
attorney.
Please
tell
everybody
about
what
the
Boise
decision
means
the
two
parts
of
it
and
how
this
would
factor
into
this
location.
P
So
the
Boise
decision
is
a
ninth
circuit
court
of
appeal
decision,
you're
testing.
My
memory
is
a
ninth
circuit
court
of
appeal
decision,
which
basically
holds
that
cities.
Government
agencies
cannot
criminalize
the
act
of
sleeping
on
public
property.
You
cannot
criminalize
per
a
person
for
being
for
not
having
a
house
to
live
in.
So
if,
if
you
have
a
city
where
there
is
no
place
for
a
homeless
person
to
go,
then
we
must
allow
them
to
sleep
on
public
property.
We
have
no
choice
in
the
matter.
P
They
did
recognize
the
ability
to
regulate,
camping
versus
sleeping,
which
is
what
our
ordinance
actually
did
as
a
result
of
Boise,
but
they
also.
The
court
also
held
that
if
there
are
available
locations
for
a
person
who's
experiencing
homelessness
to
go,
then
that
could
be
utilized
as
to
prevent
them
from
sleeping
on
public
property.
E
P
So
the
Boise
case
didn't
focus
on
that
they
focused
on
religious
on
on
some
of
the
religious
shelters.
That
was
the
primary
emphasis
in
the
Boise
cases
on
religious
shelter.
So
in
other
words,
what
the
court
said
is
there
couldn't
be
preconditions
to
entering
a
facility
interim
housing
facility.
In
other
words,
you
could
not
say
that
you
can
come
in
here,
but
then
you
have
to
go
to
religious
services.
That
was
one
of
the
things
and
it's
called
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called
Ingrid
it's.
What
type.
E
P
E
E
Now
that
the
Boise
case
came
down,
you
couldn't
take
them
to
County
Jail
unless
there's
alternative
housing
for
them.
Is
it
one
where
you
would
then
approach
someone
who's
sleeping
on
government
property?
If
we
have
beds
available
and
say
to
them,
you
got
two
choices:
you
go
to
the
shelter
or
you
go
to
County.
Jail,
walk
me
through
the
steps
that
you,
as
law
enforcement,
would
do
for
these
folks
that
are
homeless.
Looking
for
a
place
to
stay.
S
So
it's
really
important
to
understand.
Boise
is
case
law
that
came
down
in
2018.
That
is
really
new
for
case
law,
although
it
seems
to
everybody,
that's
been
a
while
right,
but
that's
actually
very
new,
the
the
case
at
startup
Boise,
to
give
you
some
perspective
started
in
2009,
so
it
took
nine
years
just
to
get
that
case
disposed
case,
law
still
is
being
developed
and
by
what
I
mean
by
that
is
when
case
law
comes,
it
gives
us
some
guidance,
but
not
all
the
guidance.
S
So,
as
usually
police
departments
get
sued
over
their
cities
get
sued,
we
find
out
more
and
more
about
kind
of
what
the
limitations
are.
So
we
don't.
We
don't
know
a
lot
of
the
answers
right
now
on
that
there
won't
be
for
sure
there
won't
be
two
options.
So
if
someone's
on
sleeping
on
city
property,
the
first
kind
of
thing
will
be
to
ask
them
to
leave.
S
Just
like
we
do
trespassing
stuff
right
now,
if
they're,
if
they're
sleeping
there,
it's
not
going
to
be
like
jail
or
the
shelter
that'd
be
something
like
a
judge
would
have
to
decide
that
kind
of
dyspo.
For
somebody
right,
a
punishment
or
a
choose
between
two
punishments,
that's
something
a
judge
would
have
to
determine.
So
we
would
be.
You
need
to
leave
you're
not
allowed
to
sleep
here.
S
We
do
have
a
shelter
for
you
if
you'd
like
to
go
so
it
wouldn't
be
something
where
we
could
tell
somebody
you
have
to
go
to
the
shelter.
We
can
tell
them
you're
breaking
the
law
by
sleeping
here,
and
so
you
can't
sleep
here
and
so,
if
they
choose
to
okay,
I
won't
I'll
leave
they
leave
just
like
we
do
for
trespassing
now
now,
if
they
came
back,
we
could
then
arrest
them
now.
S
S
No,
no
well,
it's
it's
semantics,
but
you
just
got
to
understand.
We,
as
police
officers
can't
decide
what
the
punishment
is
going
to
be
right,
so
we,
in
that
case
it
would
be.
You
have
to
leave
you
can't.
You
can't
keep
committing
the
crime
right
and
the
crime's,
the
sleeping
part
so,
and
it's
only
a
crime
because
we
do
have
shelter
bed
available
right.
If
we
didn't
have
shelter
bed,
it
wouldn't
be
a
crime
right
exactly
so.
S
P
Clarification,
it's
three
options:
yeah
they
they
can
go
to
a
shelter,
they
can
leave.
That
is
always
an
option.
They
can
pick
up
and
they
can
move
somewhere
and
again,
there
is
a.
There
is
a
legal
distinction
between
sleeping
and
camping.
Again,
the
biological
need
to
sleep
cannot
be
criminalized,
that's
what
the
Boise
case
holds.
So
they
actually
have
three
options:
they
can
get
up
and
move.
They
can
go
to
a
shelter
or
if
they
refuse,
they
can
be
arrested
for
trespass.
Okay,.
E
E
How
do
we
regulate
that
because
it's
one
where
they
are
homeless,
again,
80
percent
of
them
and
from
my
experience
in
talking
to
other
law
enforcement,
have
either
mental
illness
and
or
drug
addiction
going
on
there
and
they
walk
over,
buy
more
marijuana
and
continue
the
behavior
that
actually
put
them
on
the
street
homeless.
Any
strategy
on
that
or
to
let
it
just
play
out.
What's
what
what's
our
approach
here
regarding
that.
S
I
I
I
think
they
already
talked
about
the
operator
making
some
parameters
on
that,
but
as
far
as
as
far
as
marijuana,
if
they
have
a
doctor's
recommendation,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
violation
of
law
there
I
mean
you
know
it's
legal
for
adults
to
use.
Now
too
I
you
know.
I
marijuana
is
a
tricky
one.
Because
of
the
way
California
laws
are.
The
methamphetamine
heroin
is
different.
You
know
that's
criminal
Behavior
out
completely
unaffected
by
Boise
Martin.
S
R
And
I
can
sorry
to
interrupt
councilmember
McNamee,
but
I
can
jump
in
on
the
comment
related
to
drug
use
if
they
are
a
client
of
the
navigation
Center.
So,
as
our
City
attorney
mentioned
earlier,
with
low
barrier
entry
so
with
low
barrier
entry
sobriety
is
not
a
requirement
for
entry
into
the
program.
R
You
know:
eliminate
the
usage
of
drugs
and
alcohol.
Now.
E
This
is
the
third
one
for
the
mayor
here.
So
that
way,
you
keep
me
on
track.
E
E
How
do
we
not
shift
our
entire
homeless
population
over
to
this
shelter
area
that
will
inundate
the
area
around
this
Homeless
Shelter
by
people
saying
okay,
that
was
a
good
night's
sleep
for
two
weeks
had
a
good
time,
but
now
I'm
going
to
live
on
the
streets
over
here
on
Lawrence
Drive.
What
are
our
options
here?.
S
E
And
the
last
one
is
again
the
idea
of
Public
Safety
that
they're
able
to
come
and
go
in
and
out
of
the
facility
during
the
day
I
violated
I
did
question
four
sorry
about
Bob.
How
do
we
measure
that,
as
far
as
they're
going
out
and
doing
crimes
in
the
local
community?
What's
what's
the
law
enforcement
perspective
and
how
do
we
keep
this
under
control.
S
Here,
well
so
just
I'll
come
on
up
I'll,
tell
you
what
they
did.
They
went
and
talked
to
a
whole
bunch
of
the
shelters.
They
did
the
research
right.
This
is
new
for
the
sheriff's
office.
We
don't
have
any
of
our
jurisdictions
that
have
one
so
we're
we're
learning
and
doing
research,
and
these
guys,
as
you
know,
are
awesome
at
it.
So
I
I
don't
want
them
to
sit
there
and
not
have
a
chance
to
answer
so
I'll.
Let
them
answer
about
that.
What
they
found
in
the
research.
M
E
They
are
the
ones
the
officers
who
deal
with
the
vulnerable
population,
we're
looking
at
again
the
vulnerable
population
there.
How
do
we
keep
them?
They
go
in
and
out
of
the
facility.
How
do
we
keep
crime
down
in
the
area?
Santa
Barbara's
had
good
success.
G
A
Which
I
said
programs.
G
And
Harbor
House
and
talk
to
them
about
some
of
their
program
models
these
these
facilities,
these
these
interim
shelters,
are,
are
well
regulated.
They
they
run
them
they're,
well-oiled
machines,
they
screen
them
when
they
come
in
when
they
leave
for
weapons
for
Contraband,
they
go
through
a
metal
detector,
the
one
in
Reseda
they
were
patted
down
and
now
that
all
that
all
is
going
to
be
determined
by
the
service
provider
and
the
RFP
that
the
city
presents
and
what
the
their
security
regulations
are,
but
the
ones
we
saw
were
very
impressive.
So.
G
B
I
enjoy
your
use
of
math.
Thank
you.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
comments.
I
think
it
and
I
think
I'll
direct
us
to
Miss
Hardy,
but
the
the
real
key
to
this
is
the
wraparound
services
and
the
provider
of
those
wraparound
services.
In
other
words,
we
just
don't
provide
some
places
for
these
people
to
go
and
then
walk
away.
It's
something
that
we
actively
engage.
Within.
R
Yes,
absolutely
so,
and
the
RFP
we
will
list
the
requirements
of
the
operator
and
just
the
basic
minimum
services
to
be
provided
include
the
wraparound
services
that
you
mentioned.
We
will
require
24
7
on-site
security.
We
will
require
24,
7
program
staff
and
then,
as
previously
mentioned,
there
is
a
participation
agreement
that
the
clients
will
have
to
sign
in
order
to
be
a
participant
at
the
navigation,
Center
and
and.
B
Then,
to
the
Sheriff's
point:
if
there's
any
criminal
activity,
it's
handled
like
any
other
criminal
activity
in
in
our
entire
neighborhood
right
that.
Q
Q
Yeah
I
think
that
low
barrier
it
is
low
barrier
entry,
correct,
yes,
yeah,
I,
think
that
makes
sense.
We
it's
too
stringent
people.
We
can't
get
people
in
meaning,
for
example,
as
I,
read
and
understand
the
issue
some
homeless
folks
are
reluctant
to
go
into
interim
housing
because
they
have
to
give
things
up.
They
have
might
have
to
give
up
a
pet
or
they
have
possessions
and
I
understand.
Some.
Q
R
F
B
You
very
good,
let
me
get
to
some
of
our
speakers.
We
do
have
some
in-house
speakers
and
I
think
we
still
allow
some
people
online.
Let
me
go
to
Rosanna
Guerra,
who
was
online
she's.
B
She's
offline
now
Tim
is
online,
very
good
Tim.
If
you
can,
please
go
ahead.
T
Yes,
Sunset
a
community
for
Academia,
speak
so
I
the
marriage
committee
to
to
support
a
homeless
people.
However,
from
my
opinion,
I
I
strongly
also
oppose
objectives
is
proposal,
and
there
are
a
few
reasons.
The
first
one
is
it's
not
an
economical
way
to
spend
a
taxpayers
money.
So
if
you
look
at
the
annual
per
person
we
are
talking
about
here
is
about
30
000
34
000
per
person.
This
is
the
costs
that
we're
around
a
full-time
worker
like
with,
of
course,
with
the
minimum
wage
for
one
year.
T
This
is
also
not
talking
about
the
upper
frontal
cost
that
two
million
to
three
and
a
half
meaning
right.
So
if
you
I
think
there
may
be
better
way
to
spend
the
money
to
you
know
to
transit
to
host
of
these
people
and
the
change
change
their
to
find
a
job
and
second
one
is:
it
also
jeopardizes
the
Parker
neighborhood
business
and
also
the
safety
of
the
community,
including
just
a
radical
Street,
there's
a
campus
right
across
the
street.
T
So,
as
a
the
officer
just
mentioned,
and
also
there,
the
lady
Hardy
just
mentioned,
this
is
a
new
barrier
to
enter
the
facility.
So,
according
to
the
statistics
from
the
bureau,
it's
about
30
to
40
people
of
those
homeless,
drugs
and
alcohol,
addictive
it's
actually
adding
together
it's
about
50,
half
of
that.
So
without
a
loop
area
to
end
this
will
have
a
big
surrender
to
the
community
and
also
to
the
business
part
and,
for
example,
there's
several
bigger
business
just
right
across
this
neighborhood
that
this
site.
T
So
how
can
you
Pro
like
to
keep
the
safety
of
the
community
and,
like
the
gentleman
I
forgot
his
name,
but
the
general
is
the
yellow
arm
code
if
the
people
just
come
and
like
after
two
weeks
like
Australia
and
then
do
all
the
street
and
said
okay,
I'm
sick
of
the
children,
I
will
do
some
drugs
and
then
maybe
two
days
later,
I
said:
oh
I,
don't
know.
I
I
want
to
go
back
and
then
another
days
later
and
I
go
out
and
then
go
back.
T
So
how
we're
going
to
handle
this?
Because
from
the
officer,
the
testimony
and
testament
I
didn't
see
any
proactive
way,
because
this
is
more
like
a
passive
way
to
dealing
with
this
people,
so
I
would,
and
also
another
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
one
another
point
is
for
because
there's
a
big
Community
without
even
necessarily
without
this
parking
parking.
This
is
a
business
parking
Park.
So
the
Third
Way
fertilizer
is
a.
B
B
Time
is
up
please,
and
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Okay,.
H
H
How,
however,
it
it
is
a
problem
that
just
keeps
going
around
and
around
because
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
nobody
likes
to
move
it's
traumatic
over
and
over
and
over
again
move
away
from
here,
move
away
from
there
move
away,
go
in
here
in
the
shelter
and
live.
You
know
sleep
with
other
people
sleeping
next
to
you,
it's
dangerous!
It's
it's
gross!
So
I!
If
you'd
like
to
take
down
this
website,
it's
a
tiny
home,
Village,
all
inclusive,
that's
permanent
in
in
Austin
Texas,
and
it's
called
mobile,
Loaves
and
fish.
H
It
is
a
religious
sort
of
based
place.
However,
it's
not
you
know
mandatory
or
anything
like
that
that
you
do
that.
So
let
let
me
give
you
the
website,
because
I
know
my
time
is
limited.
You
don't
mind
it's
m,
as
in
Mary,
l
f,
as
in
Frank
dot,
org
forward,
slash
community
hyphen,
first
or
Dash;
first,
whichever
you
prefer,
and
it's
just
okay,
so
there's
these
tiny
homes
they
get
bigger.
H
If
the
family
is,
you
know
two
three
people,
you
have
a
key,
you
pay
300
a
month
or
a
little
more,
depending
on
how
big
the
home
is.
Everything's
all-inclusive,
there's
outside
kitchens.
There's
it's
permanent,
so
you
pay
300
a
month,
that's
for
a
smaller
500
square
foot
place
and
then
the
rent
goes
up
a
little
bit.
You
can
do
whatever
you
want
behind
closed
doors.
You
can
do
the
drugs,
it's
your
home,
okay,
so
it's
not
traumatic.
They
people
need
time.
H
If
you
can
imagine
to
acclimate,
that's
the
reason
they
do
drugs
to
begin
with.
It's
just
like
what
the
hell
is
going
on.
I
have
to
move
from
here.
I
have
to
move
from
there
and
it's
traumatic.
So
there
are
therapists
on
the
all-inclusive
in
the
all-inclusive
acreage,
51
acres
and
there's
approximately
500
tiny
homes,
just
for
instance,
and
there's
you
know
you
can
work
on
in
the
community
community.
H
First,
that's
the
slogan
and
you
work
on
the
community
in
the
community
or
you
can
go
outside
and
work
or
you
get
SSDI
to
pay
your
300
400
rent
and
it's
saving
money.
I
know
you're
like
oh.
What's
the
rate
you
know
Roi,
but
we
we
do
save
money,
because
the
homeless
are
costly.
We
have
to
clean
up
after
them
they
go
to
emergency
hospitals
and
the
like.
It
adds
up
fast
and
it's
getting
worse.
So
you
know
that's
the
problem.
H
B
You
next
up
is
Stephanie
Sullivan
I,
don't
know
if
Stephanie's
still
online
Stephanie.
If
you're
online,
please
go
ahead.
C
Yes
hi,
my
name
is
Stephanie
Sullivan
I'm
I've
lived
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
nearly
20
years,
but
tonight,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
Lutheran
Social
Services
I
serve
there
in
the
role
as
program
manager.
Lss
has
been
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
many
years,
with
a
focus
on
providing
services
to
those
experiencing
homelessness
and
those
who
are
low-income
individuals
and
families
in
our
community.
C
We
really
appreciated
partnering
with
the
city
on
many
of
our
programs
to
provide
much
needed
relief
to
those
who
are
looking
forward
to
those
who
are
in
our
community
and
need
the
assistance,
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
the
permanent
Supportive
Housing
that
will
soon
be
available
thanks
in
part
to
project
room.
Key
I
also
want
to
thank
Ms
Hardy
for
the
overview
of
this
transitional
housing
development.
C
So
it's
very
clear
that
the
city
is
interested
in
providing
the
support
it's
to
people
who
have,
in
some
cases
been
homeless
for
years.
I
think
it
was
mentioned
that
some
folks,
many
folks
have
reported
being
tied
to
this
community
for
years,
and
that
is
our
experience
as
well
at
Lutheran,
Social
Services,
so
the
use
use
of
the
housing
first
model
is
also
appreciated
to
support
these
people,
who
are
our
neighbors
and
part
of
our
community.
C
Well,
we
realized
that
land
is
scarce
and
the
city
is
looking
to
utilize
city-owned
land
to
move
this
project
forward.
We
do
ask
that
the
distance
between
other
services
and
the
logistical
challenges
this
could
create,
be
kept
in
mind.
Primary
services
such
as
Ventura
County,
Behavioral,
Health,
Conejo,
Valley,
Family,
Medical
Group,
where
many
people
are
able
to
utilize
health
and
mental
health
services
are
located
closer
to
Moore,
Park
Road.
C
So,
since
many
of
these
folks
do
not
have
a
vehicle,
they
would
need
to
find
a
way
between
the
services
along
Moore,
Park,
Road
and
Lawrence
Drive
Thousand
Oaks
Transit,
thankfully,
has
a
stop
near
the
location,
but
with
costs
for
the
bus
going
up
to
two
dollars,
potentially
after
the
New
Year,
it
can
add
up
very
quickly.
So
perhaps
it
would
be
something
to
consider
with
the
wraparound
services
that
Transportation
assistance
be
provided
as
well.
C
I
did
want
to
just
speak
to
a
couple
things
about
the
crime
and
danger
that
has
been
a
concern
and
that
continuing
to
arrest
people
for
issues
that
arise
from
the
fact
that
they
do
not
have
a
stable
place
to
live
will
only
continue
the
cycle
of
homelessness.
A
criminal
record
often
prevents
someone
from
finding
a
job
which,
in
turn,
prevents
them
from
being
able
to
afford
a
housing
and
I
just
want
to.
B
Thank
you
ma'am.
Next
up
we
do
have
Denise
Cortez,
but
I
don't
see
her
on
the
screen
looks
like
we've
lost
Miss
Cortez.
Next
up
in-house.
Here
we
have
Kimberly
Merrill,
followed
by
Mr
Frank
shillow.
C
C
C
C
C
I
would
like
to
see
more
inclusiveness
for
the
residents
that
will
be
directly
impacted
by
this,
because
there's
no
way
that
people
can
be
kept
from
walking
indoors
into
our
community,
where
our
children
ride
their
bikes
and
we
need
to
know
their
backgrounds.
We
know
nothing
about
this
project
and
it's
not
fair
to
the
taxpayers
in
Rancho
Conejo
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
B
J
A
A
B
I
Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
the
council
I
know,
we
only
have
a
brief
time
to
express
my
opposition
to
the
rezoning
and
of
the
Industrial
location
that
is
slated
at
1205,
Lawrence
and
Newbury
Park
for
the
purpose
of
this
shelter,
and
it
is
a
shelter.
I
am
a
resident
and
a
homeowner
and
a
taxpayer
at
Rancho,
Conejo,
Village
and,
firstly,
and
most
importantly,
is
that
you
know
that
not
only
I
but
I
think
everyone
I
know
supports
the
interest
of
placement
for
homeless
people.
They
very
much
deserve
a
suitable
location.
I
The
problem
is
the
location.
The
location
is
not
a
suitable
one.
It's
in
an
industrial
park
directly
next
door
to
a
weed
retailer
directly
next
door.
Now
it
is
41
minute
mile
41
minute
walk
to
the
nearest
grocery
store,
which
is
a
Walmart.
There
is
a
shorter
walk.
That's
18
to
25
minutes
to
a
Target
little
Market,
but
it
is
not
a
good
location
is
the
problem.
I
The
other
problem
is
that
if
you've
only
engaged
one
organization
which
is
many
mansions
to
look
for
a
location,
they
failed,
they
are
not
the
only
ones
that
can
find
a
location.
I
happen
to
be
a
residential
real
estate
agent,
who
can
actually
help
with
that
effort
and
I
would
be
honored
and
loved
to
help
find
a
new
location,
that's
actually
suitable,
not
in
the
middle
of
an
industrial
park.
I
That's
within
0.5
miles
to
Rancho
Conejo,
which
has
950
homes,
950
families,
and
we
were
never
not
even
our
board
of
directors
who
always
in
touch
with
yes
on
Monday
to
let
him
know
about
this.
He
didn't
even
know
about
it.
None
of
the
board
knew
about
it
because
apparently
the
Ombudsman
didn't
get
the
message
out
for
specific
reasons
or
not.
So
none
of
if
Rancho
knew
about
this
I
guarantee
you
this
place
would
be
full
because
it's
mostly
going
to
affect
us.
I
We
are
the
tax
paying
citizens
that
live
within
50.5
miles
of
this
location.
It's
not
going
to
affect
anybody
else
in
this
room,
but
it's
going
to
affect
us.
It's
going
to
affect
our
children.
Our
families
can
affect
our
home
values.
This
is
also
a
a
fledgling
program.
They
have
some
methods
to
go
by,
but
this
is
not
the
same
space
that
the
others
have
have
experienced.
I
This
is
the
location.
Is
the
problem?
I
feel
that
by
choosing
this
location,
first
of
all,
you
could
be
doing
a
ground
lease
on
this
and
make
more
money
you're
going
to
end
up
this.
Unfortunately,
this
is
probably
going
to
fail
and
I'm
offering
you
to
save
that
fiscal
issue
and
choose
a
new
location.
G
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
Engler
and
council
members,
I'm
a
35
arrest
year,
resident
of
south
or
Newbury
Park,
and
my
concern
is
a
couple
of
things.
Is
that
first
of
all
temporary?
What
does
that
mean?
Are
we
talking
about
six
months
a
year?
It
could
not
be
extended
because
of
circumstances.
I'm
also
concerned
about
somebody
said,
is
a
myth
that
this
wouldn't
attract.
G
Other
people
that
are
homeless,
I
think
you
know
the
expression
that
news
gets
around
faster
before
formal
news
gets
a
chance
to
put
his
shoes
on
in
the
morning,
so
this
kind
of
thing
could
go
easily
can
can
attract
people
in
this
area.
I
know
it's
limited
to
30
people.
G
However,
my
concern
is
also
you
said:
there's
a
low
barrier
sobriety
is
not
a
is
not
a
limit
or
a
regulation
for
someone
getting
in
there
and
I'm.
My
my
concern
is
with
the
other
woman
that
just
preceded
me:
are
there
going
to
be
drug
testings
later?
G
That's
involved
in
this
and
I
like
to
know
what
kind
of
Rehabilitation
is
going
to
be
done
in
the
dollars
that
will
be
allocated
to
it
because
of
Andy
Bales
and
the
rescue
mission
down
in
skid
row,
and
also
my
friend,
who
is
a
head
of
the
City
of
Hope
or
hope
of
the
valley.
Excuse
me
receipt
of
Ken
Craft,
there's
an
issue
with
rehabilitate
rehabilitation.
G
Are
we
just
housing
these
people
to
do
their
own
thing?
Are
we
really
trying
to
help
them
not
just
feeding
them,
but
really
getting
back
on
their
feet
mentally
and
emotionally?
A
lot
of
these
people
are
either
drug
addicted
or
they're
mentally
ill
and
mentally
ill
people
tend
to
go
to
drugs,
and
people
that
are
on
drugs
can
become
mentally
ill
as
well.
G
So
what
kind
of
Rehabilitation
programs
are
they
and
are
they
just
offered
to
them
and
how
many
people
accept
those
Rehabilitation,
pres
type
of
referrals,
Andy
Bales,
with
the
rescue
mission
down
in
La,
says:
there's
plenty
of
beds
there
for
people
to
come
in
and
fill,
but
because
people
don't
want
to
submit
to
any
kind
of
Rehabilitation.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
religion.
It
could
be
simply
work
programs
or
work
programs
that
could
build
their
character.
G
N
N
Homelessness
is
something
that
is
very
familiar
to
our
field
staff
and
I
really
rise
to
applaud
the
staff.
The
committee,
our
our
Sheriff's
topd,
has
has
been
outstanding
over
the
years
working
with
us,
I
have
found.
The
homeless
population
is
very
similar
to
the
to
the
to
the
general
public
population.
There's
some
just
wonderful,
lovely
people
that
are
great
to
work
with
and
and
then
there's
some
folks.
That
might
be
a
little
more
challenging
same
as
in
the
in
the
you
know,
typical
population
with
homes.
N
So
we
have
experienced
homeless
folks
in
virtually
probably
every
Park
I
can
certainly
say
we
have
higher
propensity
encampment
areas
than
others.
One
of
the
popular
encampment
areas
happens
to
be
in
in
near
the
Rancho
canal
playfields
and
the
Barranca
I'd
like
to
believe
that
maybe
through
this
effort,
there's
people
down
there
that
may
not
live
right
there
next
to
the
Rancho
Canal
play
Fields,
but
but
have
the
chance
to
maybe
be
at
this
navigation
Center
and
find
some
more
permanent
housing.
N
So
I
really
just
want
to
say
and
again
I'm
speaking
for
myself
as
the
general
manager
responsible
for
the
140
staff
people
at
the
at
the
district,
we
haven't
had
a
chance
yet
at
my
board
level
to
talk
about
it.
But
your
work
to
address
the
homeless
thing
is
really
important
and
it's
really
going
to
help
us
out
as
well.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work.
D
Engler
members
of
the
city
council,
members
of
City
staff,
I,
am
Rick
Schroeder
president
of
many
mansions,
and
many
mansions
is
a
non-profit,
affordable
housing
and
service
provider
and
is
the
largest
permanent,
Supportive
Housing,
developer
and
operator
in
Ventura
County,
and
we
strongly
support
staff
recommendation
in
this
matter.
Declaring
this
land
on
Lawrence
Drive,
a
surplus
property
with
the
intent
of
developing
it
into
a
site
of
interim
housing
with
a
navigation
Center,
a
housing
navigation
Center.
D
Now,
despite
our
team's
best
efforts,
we
could
not
find
an
existing
motel
or
an
existing
structure
that
we
could
convert
to
interim
housing,
a
navigation,
Center
or
permanent
support
of
housing
under
the
guidelines
set
by
the
city
and
the
project
home
key
program
from
the
state.
But
during
this
process
we
did
discover
that
others
throughout
the
state
were
using
unused
or
underutilized
Lots
commercial
spaces
constructed
with
modular
buildings
for
the
purpose
of
interim
housing,
dining
facilities,
bathroom
facilities,
offices
and
meeting
space,
and
we
were
quite
impressed
with
their
projects.
D
D
D
D
Two
such
interim
housing
would
be
open
year
round,
so
it
could
serve
more
people,
it
would
be
staffed
by
professional
service
providers
and
it
could
provide
a
great
deal
of
services
that
are
on
site
and
assistance
for
those
residents,
and
the
navigation
Center
would
help
better
assist
those
individuals
transition
into
permanent
housing.
Permanent
Supportive
Housing,
as
provided
by
many
mansions,
are
hopefully
the
Quality
Inn,
which
is
under
development.
So
in
conclusion,
we
strongly
support
staff
recommendation.
D
B
S
Good
evening
mayor
angler
city,
council,
City
staff,
my
name
is
Kyle
rohrbach
I
am
a
long
time
resident
of
Thousand,
Oaks
and
I
want
to
speak
in
in
favor
of
of
the
the
rezoning
of
the
land
to
pursue
this
project.
It's
for
a
few
reasons.
I've
had
an
opportunity
recently
to
speak
with
a
lot
of
our
residents
about
City
issues
generally
speaking
and
I.
Think
it's
no
surprise
to
all
of
you
that
homelessness
is
at
the
top
of
the
list
for
many
people
and
I.
S
Think
we
all
can
also
agree
that
we
live
in
a
pretty
partisan
time,
a
pretty
divisive
time
where
it's
really
difficult
to
build
consensus
on
any
one
topic,
and
yet
I
have
yet
to
meet
a
resident
that
wants
people
living
on
the
streets
of
Thousand
Oaks.
That's
one
thing
that
I
think
most
of
us,
if
not
all
of
us
can
actually
agree
upon,
is
that
no
one
wants
people
living
on
the
streets
of
Thousand
Oaks,
how
we
get
there
and
how
we
address
this
issue
with
our
various
Solutions
I.
S
Think
is
indeed
the
debate,
but
we
know
that
we're
starting
from
a
place
of
commonality
and
that
the
end
goal
is
the
same,
which
tells
me
that
we
can
build
consensus
and
that
when
we
have
opportunities
that
are
presented
like
this,
one
which
are
built
in
practicality,
hold
true
to
the
responsibility
of
our
local
government
and
are
focused
on
the
future
of.
What's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
then
we
have
an
obligation
to
take
action.
S
S
The
the
time
it
will
take
to
build
is
much
less
than
another
option.
The
location
while
near
a
residential
Community
is
in
an
industrial
park.
So
it's
not
directly
in
a
residential
Community.
S
There
are
many
services
being
put
forward
to
make
sure
that
the
folks
who
do
live
in
and
near
that
area
will
continue
to
be
protected
by
the
law
enforcement.
That
is
doing
a
really
extreme
job,
I.
Think
keeping
keeping
our
residents
safe
and
getting
to
know
the
population
that
lives
here
and
on
the
streets
you,
you
had
all
set
a
goal
to
address
homelessness
as
a
city
council
and
now
is
the
time
to
address
that
goal.
You
have
an
opportunity
before
you
tonight
to
act
and
I
encourage
you
to
do
so.
Thank
you.
B
That
was
our
last
speaker
for
the
night
attorney
staff
for
any
responses
to
some
of
the
questions
raised
by
our
speakers.
Yes,.
R
Thank
you,
mayor,
ingler
I
will
do
my
best.
I
was
writing
favoritely
here
trying
to
capture
all
of
the
comments,
concerns
and
questions
by
the
public
I'd
just
like
to
start
out
by
saying
that
I
certainly
appreciate
respect
and
hear
the
concerns
of
the
residents
that
are
within
a
half
mile
of
this
location.
R
R
Unregulated
homelessness
is
a
significant
issue
for
Thousand
Oaks,
and
this
is
the
the
one
of
the
tools
in
the
toolbox.
If
you
will
to
deal
with
and
respond
to
homelessness,
we
have
no
interim
housing
options
available
in
Thousand
Oaks.
This
facility
would
attempt
to
better
address
the
problem
at
hand.
Without
it
we
have
limited
enforcement
tools.
R
I
I
just
want
to
go
back
again
to
looking
for
various
sites.
We
have
spent
hours
City
staff
on
top
of
what
many
mansions
has
already
spent
on
what
their
team
looking
for
a
site.
This
was
not
a
as
you
know,
as
a
mayor
and
Miss
Bill
De
La
Pena,
as
you
know,
as
ad
hoc
committee
members,
that
there
were
challenges
finding
a
site,
and
this
was
not
something
that
was
taken
lightly.
R
We
did
speak
so
just
to
start
responding
to
some
of
the
specific
questions
we
actually
the
vulnerable
population
officers
and
my
myself.
We
actually
met
and
spoke
with
Ken
Craft,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
Hope
of
the
valley
and
not
all
persons
that
are
experiencing
homelessness,
are
going
to
accept
Services.
However,
for
those
who
do
accept
Services,
the
operator
will
provide
sufficient
services
to
help
meet
the
goal
of
transitioning.
The
individuals
there
into
permanent
housing
and
those
services
do
include
drug
rehabilitation,
drug
treatment,
case
management,
employment
and
education.
R
Exploring
those
options
there
are
wraparound
Services,
provided
this
will
be
again.
I
want
to
re-emphasize
a
regulated
facility
with
24
7
security
and
24
7
staff
on
site.
The
opportunity
for
engagement
will
continue.
This
is
the
initial
step.
I
would
like
to
again
state
that
there
was
initial
Outreach
to
the
surrounding
businesses.
I
have
a
list
from
our
Ombudsman
of
at
least
nearly
30
individuals
that
he
has
spoken
with
so
far.
This
includes
Property
Owners
business
owners
as
well
as
Brokers
that
represent
businesses
in
the
area.
R
There
was
a
comment
made
about
I
believe
from
the
first
speaker
on
spending
taxpayer
dollars
there
just
in
terms
of
cost
of
homelessness.
There
was
a
study
conducted
by
Ventura
County
in
2020
that
looked
at
what
is
the
cost
of
homelessness
to
the
county
and
what
they
did
was
out
of
the
nearly
9
000
individuals
that
had
some
touch
with
our
homeless
management
information
system.
R
They
looked
at
the
highest
utilizers
of
of
our
our
services
and
what
they
found
is
that
the
cost
is
anywhere
from
thirty,
seven
thousand
to
fifty
seven
thousand
dollars
annually
and
primarily
those
costs
are
made
up
of
our
for
medical
for
incarceration,
as
well
as
Behavior
Health.
In
addition,
just
year
to
date
on
responding
to
homeless
encampments,
our
public
work
staff
have
spent
numerous
hours
and
at
least
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
cleanup
costs
for
an
encampments
we
receive
and
then.
R
Lastly,
in
terms
of
costs,
we
do
receive
a
quarterly
report
from
the
Ventura
County
Fire
District,
and
just
this
year
alone
they
have
spent
173
thousand
dollars
and
res
and
responses
to
homelessness.
Last
year,
that
amount
was
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand.
So
if
we
continue
on
this
trend
likely,
those
costs
are
going
to
continue
to
increase
year
over
year.
R
Someone
mentioned
I
believe
what
I
heard
was
concerns
regarding
parking
parking
will
be
provided
on
site
for
staff,
so
that
is
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
RFP.
There
will
be
sufficient
parking,
provided
there
was
a
member
of
the
public
who
mentioned
mobile,
Loaves
and
Fishes,
and
that
is
a
program
that
we
are
actually
familiar
with.
It
is
very
impressive.
R
It
really
is
a
quite
impressive
Community,
but
we
have
to
scale
our
options
for
Thousand
Oaks
Stephanie
from
LSS
mentioned,
or
expressed
concern
about
the
logistics
of
providing
Transportation
because
of
the
distance
to
the
nearest
service
providers
and
transportation
will
be
required
as
part
of
the
RFP,
and
that
is
something
that
we've
seen
provided
at
the
Ventura
shelter
and
we
believe
that
that
is
absolutely
critical
as
Pro
as
part
of
the
service
model.
R
Again,
there's
no
location,
that's
not
within
a
half
mile
residential.
This
is
not
a
residential
area,
it
is
an
industrial
area.
Someone
asked
the
question
of
how
long
are
individuals
allowed
to
stay
here
or
at
this
navigation
Center?
Typically,
what
you
see
is
a
participation
or
a
participant
agreement
for
90
to
120
days
and
again,
the
goal
is
to
move
the
person
along
to
permanent
housing.
If
permanent
housing
is
not
available
and
that
person
is
meeting
the
requirements
of
their
participation
agreement,
it
will
get
renewed.
R
But
again
we
want
people
moving
into
permanent
housing
and
then
I
guess
I'll,
just
I
believe
I
covered
everything.
If
there's
additional
questions
from
the
council
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
those
questions
and
lastly,
I'll
just
state
that,
with
the
Outreach
and
engagement
efforts,
it
will
be
Broad
and
comprehensive
so
that
there
is
a
community-wide
engagement
effort.
R
But
we
will
also
engage
and
targeted
Community
engagement
efforts
as
well,
so
that
we
can
hear
the
concerns
and
questions
from
nearby
businesses
and
residents
and
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
mitigate
those
concerns.
And
then
there
is
also
the
sup
process.
So
you
know
approval
by
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
required
and
there
will
be
conditions
that
are
set
forth
for
this
project.
B
E
E
R
So
we
are
scaling
for
30.
Initially
we
are
holding
proposing
to
hold
at
least
five
beds
for
law
enforcement
and
ideally
with
the
addition
of
this
interim
housing,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
there
are
motel
vouchers
and
other
services
that
are
provided
through
our
you
know,
LSS
and
Harbor
House.
So
ideally,
this
will
free
up
additional
resource
and
our
vulnerable
population
officers
work
closely
with
these
organizations.
E
I
acknowledge
this
as
a
beginning
effort
and
applaud
the
beginning
effort,
those
five
beds
for
law
enforcement
when
they
get
full.
We
now
have
no
more
tools
for
law
enforcement
to
get
them
off
the
street
and
sleeping
on
government
property
and
so
forth.
So
the
answer
from
what
I'm
hearing
and
and
thinking
about
is
that
more
needs
to
be
provided.
I
spent
a
day
with
former
mayor
and
council
member
Frank
Schiller,
looking
for
and
driving
around
the
city
and
I
acknowledge
it's
going
to
be
tough
to
find
a
place
to
put
a
homeless
shelter.
E
That's
not
in
someone's
neighborhood
and
I
do
not
want
to
drop
a
homeless
shelter
in
someone's
neighborhood.
That's
just
not
in
my
skill
set
nor
my
vision
of
government
and
public
policy.
My
answer
is:
we've
got
a
naval
base.
That's
got
a
lot
of
land
over
in
Port
Hueneme.
It
has
empty
barracks.
E
E
E
N
Maybe
I'll
jump
in
here
so
obviously
the
and
you
and
I've
talked
about
it.
The
intriguing,
the
the
port
180
solution
there,
Department
of
Defense
being
what
they
are
is
is
the
The
Challenge
and
the
impediment
there
and
I.
You
know
certainly
encourage
anyone
that
wants
to
to
try
to.
You
know,
keep
pushing
towards
that
that
that
that
might,
you
know,
be
a
conversation
to
have
with
them.
N
In
regards
to
the
scaling
of
the
facility,
we've
been
very
deliberate
to
try
to
scale
for
our
community
and
our
need
without
over
scaling.
Initially
I'm.
A
five
bed
set
aside
is
obviously
not
is
not
a
huge
number,
but
it
is
a
number
that
we
intend
to
maintain
that
and
in
the
event
that
that's
not
workable,
we'll
need
to
come
back
and
and
have
conversations
about.
How
do
we
manage
that?
Do
we
hold
back
more?
N
E
Just
want
to
make
my
third
third
Point
mayor
is
that
UCLA
their
baseball
team,
their
baseball
field,
is
on
Federal
Land
that
they
lease
for
one
dollar
a
year.
You're
telling
me
no,
it's
not
my
understanding.
It
is
so
it
is
possible,
but
we'll
take
a
look
at
it
anyways.
The
other
last
thought
mayor
is
that
we
should
have
an
out
clause
that
if
this
is
not
working,
we
have
a
five-year
lease.
E
We're
negotiating
is
that
if
it's
not
working
and
I
expect
speed
bumps
that
we
can
overcome,
but
perhaps
city
manager,
Mr
Powers,
can
we
put
an
out
clause
that
we
have
60
days
that
if
we
want
to
terminate
this,
we
can
so
we're
not
locked
into
it
for
five
years.
N
D
N
Associated
with
this
special
use
permit
Associated,
and
so
that
would
be
there
would
be
an
operations
agreement
with
there.
We'll
have
various
causes
in
there,
but
the
sup
itself
is
a
is
an
extra
layer
of
support
that
we
think
is
prudent
in
order
of
mitigating
resident
concerns
and
business
concerns.
B
Yeah,
there's
no
there's
no
nothing
to
preclude
that
there's
other
Solutions
out
there.
However,
the
solution
we
have
in
front
of
us
tonight
is
is
scaled,
as
the
city
manager
says
at
a
at
a
33-bed
level.
Third
episode:
30
30
bed
level.
If
there's
other
Solutions
out
there
involving
the
federal
government,
there's
no
reason
we
can't
pursue
that.
But
our
question
tonight
really
is:
is
this
an
idea
that
we
want
to
pursue
locally.
Q
Q
Yeah
yeah
and
the
you
know:
I
visited
the
one
in
Santa
Barbara
and
you
couldn't
tell
it
was
there
because
it
was
was
behind
a
like
a
gate
and
a
wall
kind
of
situation.
So,
as
you
walk
by
or
drove
by,
you
would
have
no
idea
that
it
was
even
there
to
what
do
we
anticipate
for
this
one
if
we
can
have
a
kind
of
a
similar
situation
or
yes,.
R
That
is
correct
and
we
are
going
to
want
this
facility
to
fit
in
with
the
surrounding
area
there.
We
will
require
Landscaping
setbacks
again,
I'll
go
back
to
the
security,
so
we
will
do
everything
we
can
from
a
design
and
site
layout
perspective
to
minimize
and
to
mitigate
the
impacts
to
the
surrounding
area,
and,
as
you
mentioned,
this
is
not
a
drop
in.
This
is
not,
for
you
know,
people
to
congregate
outside
to
hang
out
with
their
friends.
R
C
R
Also,
just
want
to
remind
the
city
council,
with
the
approval
of
the
quality
and
in
Suites
that
there's
also
77
beds
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing
that
are
going
to
be
provided
as
well,
so
we're
looking
at
account
of
approximately
250.
We
have
77
beds
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing
and
then,
if
this
moves
forward,
we
will
have
an
additional
30
beds
and
then
also,
as
previously
mentioned
in
the
presentation
we
have
been
in
conversations
county-wide
and
looking
at
some
type
of
regional
effort
as
well.
There's
no
proposed
project
at
the
moment,
but
these
are
ongoing
conversations.
F
Thank
you,
mayor
Engler
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
in
the
years
of
research
that
that
we
have
done,
we've
looked
at
different
sites,
especially
in
the
last
two
years
or
so
in
last
10
months,
that
the
sites
that
were
considered,
such
as
a
motel
hotel
to
be
converted.
They
were
immediately
next
to
residential
separated
Maybe
by
Just,
a
block
wall
and
so,
and
that
was
really
with
most
I,
also
want
to
say
that
many
mansions
have
worked
for
nine
months
with
a
commercial
real
estate
broker,
and
it
was
slim
pickings
here
it.
F
It
really
was
also
we,
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks,
has
had
a
winter
warming,
shelter
for
I,
don't
know
how
long
many
many
many
years,
but
all
that
stopped
with
covet,
and
so
they
were
churches
and
synagogues
who
made
their
Parish
Hall
or
Community
Hall
available
overnight
during
the
winter
and
my
family
and
I
we've
been
serving
homeless
dinners
for,
since
my
boys
were
nine
years
old,
and
so
they
they
came
in
they,
the
unsheltered
persons
come
in,
they
take
their
meal,
they
take
their
blanket
and
what
do
you
call
it
their
sleeping
bag?
F
So
we
have
been
Sheltering
people
except
it's
been
happening
in
churches
and
only
during
the
winter
and
the
city
has
a
website
that
is
dedicated
to
homelessness.
It
shows
the
faces
of
homelessness
and
it
shows
that
the
vast
majority
of
homeless
persons,
unsheltered
persons
are
from
Thousand
Oaks.
They
graduated
from
our
local
high
schools.
F
They
work
at
local
offices,
they
work
at
a
biotech
company,
they
work
as
real
estate
agents,
they're
living
in
their
cars,
and
those
are
the
people
that
will
easily
be
helped
that
want
to
find
a
place
to
stay.
It
is
the
heavy
duty,
drug
addicts
that
will
be
the
hardest
cases.
There
is
no
doubt
about
that.
Where
I'm,
not
sugar,
coating,
that
there
are
those
who
are
really
service
resistant,
and
so
when
I
hear
stories
about
homeless
students
in
our
local
school
district
or
homeless,
students
living
with
their
parents
in
a
car.
F
It
is
unbelievable,
those
are
the
ones
that
want
help
that
can
receive
the
help.
We've
looked
wide,
high
and
low
to
find
a
place.
This
is
in
an
industrial
area,
it
is
half
a
mile
from
residential,
but
all
the
other
Parcels
that
we
looked
at
over
such
a
long
time.
They
were
either
in
residential
or
immediately
next
to
residential,
and
that
was
not
an
option.
F
We
started
a
town
hall
meeting
in
2019
we've
built
up
to
what
we
have
tonight
and
it
there
is
not
ever
a
perfect
solution,
but
this
is
as
close
as
we
can
get,
and
there
will
be
many
more
opportunities
to
weigh
in
with
a
Planning
Commission
meetings.
Community
meetings,
I
know
that
I
mean
we
have
befriended
homeless
persons
that
really
really
will
become
once
they
get
help
will
be
able
to
get
back
on
their
feet
so
and
with
that
I
encourage
my
colleagues
to
approve
this
tonight.
F
B
A
quick
question
I
think
just
for
staff,
if
you
can
go
a
little
bit,
you've
covered
it
on
one
of
your
slides.
This
is
a
request
to
us
to
initiate
an
RFP.
B
R
R
N
She
was
perfect
spot
on,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
to
to
be
very
candid
and
to
mention
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
an
important
step
forward.
So
I
don't
want
to
put
any
Illusions
out
there
that
this
is
not
a
a
step
forward
and
I
also
think
it's
important
to
calibrate
everybody's
expectations.
N
So
I
you
know
just
there
are
steps
to
go
here,
but
I.
We
are
going
to
be
embarking
if
Council
moves
forward
here
in
an
RFP
process
and
that
puts
out
into
the
marketplace
a
set
of
criteria
that
we're
looking
for.
And
so
it's
just
important
to
acknowledge
as
we're
here
tonight
that
that
is
substantial.
B
B
F
B
Any
other
questions
from
or
comments
very
good,
a
comment
from
Mr
McNamee.
Thank.
E
E
It's
not
going
to
stop
there
I
hope,
finding
a
place
to
put
it.
As
former
mayor
Shiloh
and
I
found
driving
around
the
community,
it's
difficult
to
find
a
good
place
to
put
something
like
this,
and
this
is
the
better
of
all
the
places
that
we
looked
at
so
with
that
I
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
making
this
an
attempt.
Yes,
we
will
have.
E
F
Just
one
more
comment
regarding
drugs,
also,
having
spoken
to
many
of
the
year,
the
unsheltered
population,
the
many
fell
and
hard
times
because
of
opioid
addiction.
They
were
going
through
surgery
got
addicted
to
all
of
these
narcotics,
and
then
it
was
over.
So
it
is
a
drug
addiction
that
started
right
here
at
home.
B
Yeah,
there's
there's
a
I
I,
try
to
remind
everybody
that
we
don't
have
a
homeless
problem.
We
have
a
problem
with
individuals
who
are
homeless
and
each
one
of
these
individuals
has
their
own
reason
for
being
in
the
situation
that
they
find
themselves
in.
That's
why
having
a
navigation
Center
to
be
able
to
identify
the
problems
that
brought
the
people
to
the
street
and
help
them
navigate
away
from
those
into
permanent
housing?
Is
such
an
important
piece
of
what
we're
trying
to
do?
B
I
think
I
mentioned
that
it's
what
we,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
pieces
in
place
that
will
help
the
overall
outcomes
for
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
This
is
one
of
the
pieces
that
we
need
to
put
into
place,
but
never
forget
that
it's
it's!
It's
not
a
a
problem
with
people
who
don't
have
homes,
it's
individuals
and
we
need
to
treat
them
as
such.
B
B
E
Have
to
tell
you,
the
cities
in
California
are
all
facing
the
same
issues.
We
are
whether
you're,
big
or
small,
and
the
biggest
message
I
took
back
was
that
we're
all
having
to
navigate
the
imposition
of
Sacramento
upon
the
cities
here
in
California
trying
to
get
through
their
regulations
and
their
requirements,
their
laws
telling
us
how
to
run
our
cities.
We
had
cities
as
small
as
2
500
people,
500
people,
600
people
all
the
way
up
to
Millions
and
we're
all
facing
again
Sacramento's
in
position
of
their
will
upon
the
cities
of
California
mayor.
B
There
was
it's:
it's
always
I,
I
believe
money
well
spent
to
have
council
members
and
staff
attend
these
types
of.
B
N
So
our
next
regular
schedule,
council
meeting
will
be
two
weeks
from
tonight
on
the
11th
of
October.
We
currently
have
three
items:
percolating
forward:
a
municipal
code,
Amendment
ordinance
that
the
council
had
Advanced
earlier
in
the
year
regarding
putting
some
some
further
restrictions
that
we
can
do
from
a
legal
basis
around
sb9
and
that
went
to
Planning
Commission
last
night
and
moved
forward.
N
The
revised
water
conservation
ordinance
will
be
coming
forward
to
an
update
from
our
Public
Works
team
on
that,
and
we
also
have
a
very
fitting
item:
a
department
report
for
2022
many
mansions
Bella
Vista,
a
refinancing
effort
for
one
of
our
affordable
housing
projects.
So
those
are
the
items
slated
for
the
11th.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Powers,
our
city
manager.
Our
City
attorney
also
has
some
announcements
to
make.