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We're
going
to
be
pulling
the
closed
session,
it's
being
pulled
from
the
agenda.
B
We
don't
need
to
vote
on
that
nope,
so
we'll
go
to
special
presentations
and
announcements,
and
this
is
exciting
because
tonight
we're
very
fortunate
to
once
again
have
patrick
cassidy
with
us.
The
artistic
director
of
the
thousand
oaks
civic
art,
plaza
residential
music,
theater
production
company,
five
star
theatricals,
patrick.
I
am
really
interested
in
knowing
who's
playing
the
lead
on
matilda
and
all
that
stuff.
So
fill
us
in.
Thank
you
welcome.
F
We
are
so
excited
about
matilda.
I
can't
tell
you
we
opened
on
march
22nd
and
matilda.
If
you
don't
know
the
story:
rolling
doll,
incredible
book,
james
and
the
giant
peach,
charlie
and
chocolate
factory,
it's
about
this
incredibly
inspiring
young
girl
who
can
change,
lives
and
that's
what
she
does.
We
have
hired
two
girls
to
play.
Matilda
olivia
marcum
is
one
lucy
believe
is
another.
They
will
trade
off
doing
performances.
The
role
is
that
big?
F
F
The
community
is
so
excited
about
this
that
five
star
theatrical
set
up
an
inspiring
educator
award
in
honor
of
miss
honey
in
our
show.
That's
the
teacher
in
our
show
miss
honey
played
by
in
this
incredible
katie,
deshawn
who's,
going
to
sing
for
us
and
and
and
for
people
coming
to
matilda.
We
get
to
recognize
a
teacher,
so
students
have
sent
in
over
a
hundred
letters
wow.
I
read
some
of
these
letters.
You
can't
believe
it.
F
What
these
kids
say
about
their
teachers
and
the
and
these,
and
they
and
and
we're
going
to
nominate
four
of
these
teachers
and
they
and
the
letters
came
in
all
the
way
from
los
angeles,
santa
monica
to
porto
ranch
to
ventura.
It
is
it's
a
huge
thing,
we're
I'm
so
blown
away
by
this
on
opening
night,
we
are
going
we're
declaring
it
educators
night
and
we're
going
to
have
discounts
for
all
the
educators
and
we're
going
to
announce
the
four
winners
on
stage
for
opening
night.
F
F
Next,
on
the
9th
of
march,
we
at
one
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
prime
time
we
are
doing
a
performance
of
matilda.
The
whole
cast
is
going
to
be
there
all
the
kids.
We
are
going
to
it's,
not
a
flash
mob,
but
we
are
going
to
get
the
whole
one
o'clock
patrons
of
them
all
excited
about
matilda.
This
show
is,
is
has
been
an
incredible
thing
for
this
community.
Already
we
see
it
at
five
star.
F
I
am
so
honored
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
and
at
that
performance
it's
going
to
be
represented
by
gelson's
two.
We
have
a
thing
called
entitled
give
back
day,
which
five
star
theatricals
is
going
to
give
out
bookmarks
and
flyers
on
that
day.
That's
everything
that
we're
doing
for
matilda.
So
without
further
ado.
Thank.
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B
F
Sure
that
she,
let's
put
it
this
way,
she
can
move
all
of
this
this
assembly.
She
can
move
it
down
and
put
it
under
there
and
actually
a
stage
can
come
up.
She's
hired.
So
here
is
our
cast.
I
want
to
introduce
them,
I
won't
introduce
them
all,
but
I
am
going
to
introduce
you
to
some
of
them.
This
is
an
incredibly
inspiring
cast
in
an
inspiring
show.
F
As
I
said,
we
have
two
matildas
and
if
you
olivia
and
if
you
lucy,
could
just
step
out
and
show
yourselves
to
say,
this
is
olivia
markham
in
the
blue
and
lucy
believe
they
are
incredible.
Incredible
performers.
This
is
the
rest
of
our
cast
from
matilda.
We
have
katie
deshawn.
Is
she
here
yet
is
katie?
There's
katie
katie
deshawn
plays
miss
honey,
the
one
retired
for
the
inspiring
teacher
educator
award,
and
then
they
we
have
an
incredible
musical
director.
She
is
joining
us
for
the
first
time
is
jennifer
lin
on
the
piano.
F
A
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F
B
All
right
that
brings
us
to
item
number
six
public
comments,
miss
rodriguez.
We
set
it
up.
D
D
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
the
city,
council
and
official
records
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
D
B
C
C
Each
year,
the
council
on
aging
hosts
the
senior
of
the
year
awards
ceremony
and
social
to
recognize
some
of
our
more
than
twelve
hundred
seniors
who
tirelessly
give
back
to
our
community
this
year.
The
ceremony
will
be
thursday
june
13th
at
the
global
adult
community
center.
The
nomination
period
for
this
event
is
currently
open,
but
closes
on
april
1st.
C
Our
next
meeting
is
tomorrow,
wednesday
march
6
at
1
pm.
Our
speaker
will
be
dr
diana
sarkissian,
a
nutritionist
from
ucla
health.
She
will
be
speaking
on
vitamins
and
supplements
for
seniors
facts
and
myths,
and
I
encourage
everyone
to
come
join
us
for
this
talk.
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
giving
me
this
time
and
I
look
forward
forward
to
seeing
many
of
you
at
our
senior
of
the
year
event.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
yeah,
my
name.
Is
this
work?
Yes,
sir
yeah,
my
name
is
ray
mclane,
I'm
a
retired
businessman.
I
live
in
westlake
village
for
the
last
40
years.
I've
been
self-employed
most
of
my
life,
I'm
an
electronic
engineer.
I've
started
software
and
hardware
manufacturing
companies
here.
I've
also
been
a
builder
developer,
built
custom
home
on
the
island,
west
lake
island
apartment
buildings,
custom
condominium
projects,
mobile
home
parks,
even
a
small
hotel
in
venice
and
about
50
single-family
homes.
G
I
again
I
am
retired,
but
I'm
I
came
here
today
to
speak
about
the
homeless
problem
in
our
community
and
I
have
a
solution
for
it:
okay,
there's
there's:
there
are
20
to
200
homeless
in
thousand
oaks,
which
was
reported
by
tara
cruz
at
the
october
23rd
city
council
meeting,
in
los
angeles,
we
actually
have
57
000,
homeless
and
most
of
those
people.
G
What
people
don't
know
is
that
about.
Fifteen
thousand
of
them
are
children,
nine
thousand
are
first
time
homeless
and
many
of
those
are
senior
citizens
trying
to
live
on
the
average
social
security
check
of
fourteen
hundred
dollars
a
month.
G
So
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
many
of
my
retiring
friends
are
all
moving
out
of
state
because
they
can't
afford
to
stay
here
after
they
retire.
So
I've
come
up
with
a
plan
to
solve
the
homeless
problem
and
provide
ultra
low
cost
housing
for
seniors.
G
In
order
to
have
ultra
low
cost
housing,
we
need
to
minimize
the
cost.
The
basic
the
main
costs
are:
the
land
costs,
the
construction
cost
and
the
interest
during
the
construction.
G
G
G
The
building
would
be
all
concrete,
no
wood
used
in
the
construction,
so
the
building
would
be
would
be
a
green
building
and
it
would
it
would
not
burn
in
a
fire
like
we
just
had
and
it
would
survive
an
eight
an
eight
richter
scale.
Earthquake.
The
best
part
is
the
cost
estimate
to
build.
This
would
be
65
to
80
dollars
a
square
foot
now
nationally.
It
costs
125
dollars
to
build
a
square
foot,
but
in
high
cost
areas
like
los
angeles
and
california,
it's
running
200
to
500
a
foot.
G
B
Mr
mclean,
the
time
has
expired,
but
at
the
conclusion
of
this,
our
city
manager
will
get
all
the
information
you've
done.
A
great
presentation
to
allow
us
to
be
intrigued
with
it,
but
we
would
need
to
hear
more
of
that.
So
if
you
he'll
arrange
at
the
end
of
the
public
comments
to
get
more
information,
have
somebody
meet
with
you
if
that'd
be
okay,
that's.
G
B
Take
care
of
that
good
well,
thank
you.
We're
on
the
same
wavelength.
Thank
you,
mr
mclean.
Yagnesh
rajapati
did
I
say
that
right,
yeah
all
right,
well,
welcome,
friend,
thanks
for
coming
tonight,
oh
yeah
for.
H
Sure
yeah,
my
name
is
yognash
prajapati,
I'm
from
ventura
and.
H
I'm
here
this
evening
to
extend
an
invitation
from
ventura
regional
sanitation,
district's
general
manager,
chris
tyson.
This
invitation
is
to
all
city
of
thousand
oaks
council
members,
staff
and
community
members.
H
The
walk
for
kids
is
on
sunday
april
7
with
festivities
starting
at
7
a.m.
At
san
bonaventure
state
beach,
located
at
701
san
pedro
street,
in
ventura,
I've
given
information
cards
and
a
poster
to
the
clerk
and
yeah.
Oh,
we
look
forward
to
seeing
a
team
representing
your
city
on
sunday
april
seven,
and
if
your
agency
leads
in
event,
donations
we'll
be
visiting
visiting
you
to
deliver
the
leading
with
a
heart
award
and
yeah.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
You.
B
Did
a
great
job-
and
this
is
a
great
organization
and
thanks
for
the
flyers
and
all
the
information
in
relation
to
it.
So
thanks
for
sure
and.
H
H
Evening,
thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
city,
council
staff
thousand
oaks,
I'm
kyle,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks,
and
I'm
here
tonight
to
ask
you
to
kindly
reconsider
the
way
in
which
planning
commissioners
are
appointed.
H
H
Ostensibly
this
is
an
issue
that
can
lead
to
scenarios
like
at
the
last
council
meeting,
but
beyond
that,
I
think
it
also
lends
strong
favorability
towards
incumbency
and
personal
connections
in
full
disclosure.
I
was
an
applicant
this
last
go-around,
and
yet
I
only
heard
from
one
council
member
who
called
simply
to
say
that,
while
my
application
was
great,
they
would
only
be
considering
incumbents,
so
I've
spoken
here
before
and
you
may
know,
but
I'll
just
repeat,
I
am
a
product
of
caneo
valley,
the
school
district.
I
was
a
former
youth
commissioner.
H
I
volunteer
year
round
for
the
y,
I'm
a
grateful
recipient
of
a
couple
of
leadership
awards
from
local
community
groups.
I
own
a
house
here,
conduct
and
own
my
own
business
here,
and
I
pay
my
taxes
on
time,
but
I
think
perhaps
most
significantly
is
because
I've
lived
here.
My
whole
life.
H
I
think
that
it
at
least
provides
an
interesting
perspective
as
to
how
someone
like
me
sees
the
city,
because
I
remember
what
it
was
like
in
the
early
90s
in
the
mid
90s
and
where
we
are
now
and
I'm
really
proud
of
where
we
are
now
and
truthfully.
I'm
not
here
to
throw
a
pity
party,
or
you
know,
and
certainly
without
being
privy
to
who
the
other
applicants
are.
H
I
couldn't
tell
you
if
I
rightfully
deserve
a
spot
on
the
planning
commission,
but
I
do
believe
that
at
minimum,
something
like
a
phone
call
would
have
at
least
given
me
a
chance
to
make
a
case
as
to
why
someone
with
my
background,
could
bring
a
unique
and
different
perspective
perspective
to
to
the
planning
commission.
H
So,
while
I'm
disappointed
that
I
won't
get
to
work
with
all
of
you,
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
process,
specifically
that
it
seems
that
there
isn't
much
of
one
in
place,
and
so
I'm
not
one
for
complaining
without
providing
solutions.
So
I'll
wrap
up
by
just
giving
you
a
take
of
what
I
would
like
for
you
to
consider.
H
Since
you
are
all
elected
at
large.
In
my
opinion,
I
think
that
the
planning
commission
should
represent
your
voices
as
a
collective,
so
considering
there
aren't
hundreds
of
applicants
every
time
around,
even
if
they
aren't
long.
I
might
consider
holding
interviews
with
the
applicants
as
a
panel
as
a
group
where
you
could
talk
to
each
other
about
the
prospective
candidates
and
get
feedback
and
ask
questions
and
make
that
decision
more
as
a
unit
rather
than
as
individuals,
even
if
you
still
appoint
as
individuals.
H
So,
in
sum
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
for
the
time
and
at
least
the
opportunity-
and
I
think
that
at
least
considering
making
a
change
would
go
a
long
way
to
showing
the
people
that
put
themselves
out
there
that
you
care
about
how
you
select.
What
is
arguably
one
of
the
city's
most
important
commissions?
Thank
you.
B
Kyle
real
quick,
just
thank
you
for
the
insights.
Thank
you
for
sharing
with
us.
From
your
perspective,
the
process
and
all
of
your
suggestions
are
our
suggestions.
We
will
consider
so
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Thank.
B
To
volunteer,
of
course,
thanks
man.
Well.
That
concludes
our
public
comments.
Do
you
want
any
follow-up.
J
Mayor
mccoy,
thank
you
so
much
the
as
it
relates
to
council
on
aging
and
the
walk
for
the
ronald
mcdonald
house.
We'll
certainly
do
our
part
to
try
to
share
information
on
both
of
those
senior
of
the
year
event
and
the
walk
for
kids
event.
J
Coming
up
on
april,
the
7th
I
saw
that
deputy
director
of
community
development,
kelvin
parker,
went
out
into
the
to
the
hall
to
pass
on
information
to
the
gentleman
that
had
brought
up
the
homeless
issue,
and
we
will
certainly
follow
up
with
him
directly
and
as
it
relates
to
planning
commission
as
mayor
state
will
certainly
take
those
recommendations
into
heart.
What
I'd
also
like
to
remind
everyone?
That's
out
there
that's
interested
in
being
involved.
J
B
B
Thank
you,
mr
rodriguez
item,
8,
there's
no
public
hearing
tonight,
but
we
do
have
department
reports,
item
number,
nine,
we're
going
to
be
again,
there's
actually
four
department
reports,
we'll
start
with
mark
town,
community
development,
director
resolution
to
expedite
permit
processing
and
waive
certain
fees
for
properties
damaged
during
hill
and
woosley
fire.
So
take
it
away.
E
So,
in
terms
of
background,
the
hill
and
woolsey
fires
began
on
november
8th
last
year.
By
the
time
it
was
all
said
and
done.
The
hill
fire
had
burned
over
four
thousand
acres
and
the
woolsey
fire.
Almost
a
hundred
thousand
acres
in
our
planning
area
of
thousand
oaks.
There
were
approximately
fifty
seven
hundred
acres
that
were
affected
and,
as
I
think
everybody
here
knows
that
at
one
point
during
the
fires
about
two-thirds
of
the
city
was
evacuated.
E
This
image
shows
the
perimeters
the
boundaries
of
the
two
fires
hill
fire
out
on
the
west
side
of
the
city.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
the
city
and
planning
area
boundary.
This
is
basically
the
top
of
the
camrio
grade
canelo
grade,
so
you
can
see
the
hill
fire
burned,
basically
in
the
western
portion
of
the
city.
Woolsey
fire.
E
In
terms
of
damage,
the
final
count
was
that
38
structures
were
destroyed.
Most
of
those
were
residential
buildings.
Only
a
couple
of
commercial
buildings
12
other
properties
had
varying
levels
of
fire
damage,
but
they
remained
inhabitable
going
forward
at
this
point
in
time,
all
of
the
properties
have
been
inspected
in
terms
of
debris,
removal
and
debris.
Debris.
Removal
itself
has
either
been
completed
or
is
almost
complete
on
nine
of
those
affected
properties.
E
One
of
the
most
important
is
to
identify
a
city
staff
contact
person
for
the
recovery
program
as
an
available
point
of
contact
for
all
of
the
affected
property
owners,
and
actually
she
is
seated
to
my
left,
ms
farnoosh
levers,
an
engineer
and
our
primary
point
of
contact
for
all
of
the
property
owners
and
she
has
made
contact
and
has
spoken
with
all
of
them
at
this
time
after
the
fire.
E
I
think
most
of
you
are
aware
that
a
local
assistance
center
was
set
up
at
the
grant,
brim
hall
library,
city
of
thousand
oaks
staff,
were
there
as
well
of
a
whole
host
of
other
staff,
from
federal
agencies,
state
agencies,
county
of
ventura,
red
cross
and
and
many
others,
a
very
effective.
I
thought
and
successful,
of
course,
had
a
town
hall
meeting
here
the
evening
of
november
14th,
which
was
very
well
attended
by
residents
affected
by
the
fires
and
then
at
the
end
of
november.
E
On
the
27th
end
of
november
on
the
27th
you,
you
approved
a
number
of
actions
that
were
part
of
a
fire
recovery
plan,
including
300
000,
for
contract
staff
to
assist
with
plan
review.
When
we
get
to
that
stage,
we
haven't
spent
any
of
that
money
yet
because
we're
still
comparatively
early
in
the
process
and
then
also
250
000
for
debris,
removal
and
other
site
mitigation.
E
So
what
staff
would
like
to
propose
tonight?
It
really
consists
and
boils
down
just
a
few
things
one.
We
would
like
your
authority
to
expedite
the
plan
review
for
these
affected
property
owners
for
home
rebuilds
that
are
staff
level
decisions.
We
can
process
those
in
four
to
six
weeks
instead
of
the
typical
seven
to
nine
and
for
cases
that
would
go
to
the
planning
commission,
we
can
do
those
in
four
to
five
months.
Instead
of
four
to
six
months.
E
In
terms
of
building
plan
check
the
the
current
standard
for
first
second
and
third
plan
checks
are
fourth
three
and
one
week
durations.
We
can
process
those
in
three
two
and
one
week
time
frames
respectively.
E
Staff
is
also
suggesting
that
you
consider
the
waiver
of
certain
planning
and
building
sorry
public
works
fees
in
terms
of
the
planning
fees
they're
listed
here,
and
basically,
what
these
are
are
the
application
fees
for
the
rebuilding
of
a
home,
so
for
any
property
owner.
Only
one
of
these
options
would
apply,
depending
on
the
type
of
rebuild,
whether
it's
literally
type
for
type
or
whether
the
property
owner
would
like
to
propose
an
addition.
E
Some
kind
of
change
in
the
footprint
of
the
building,
and
also
these
prototypes
are
a
function
of
the
underlying
zoning.
So
these
are
not.
These
are
not
cumulative.
A
property
owner
would
be
subject
to
only
one
of
these,
these
fees,
depending
on
the
extent
of
their
rebuild.
So
that's
normal
exposure
to
these
fees.
We're
suggesting
that
city
council
consider
waiving
these
fees
going
forward.
Now
we
don't
know
exactly
how
many
will
choose
to
rebuild
like
for
like
versus
any
kind
of
an
expansion.
E
So
it's
hard
to
know
right
now
the
fiscal
impact
of
this,
but
we
will
be
monitoring
that
and
reporting
back
to
you
as
we
go
forward.
Then
there
are
a
few
comparatively
minor
public
works
fees
that
may
be
applicable
to
different
properties.
Public
works
staff
is
recommending
that
we
waive
these
as
well.
E
In
terms
of
the
proposed
process,
we're
also
changing
that
and
that's
part
of
of
how
we
can
save
time,
one
of
which,
of
course
I
mentioned,
is
having
contract
staff
available.
Another
is
to
actually
assign
the
planner
and
the
plan
checker
prior
to
the
submit
of
the
plans.
Normally
we
do
that
after
now
we're
suggesting
to
do
that
prior
in
concert
with
ms
levers,
and
then
we
would
have
a
pre-submittal
meeting
with
the
applicant.
That's
the
second
step
in
this.
E
So
it's
also
a
a
condensed
process
and
a
different
process
for
these
affected
property
owners
and
with
that
staff
is
recommending
that
you
consider
adoption
of
the
resolution
attached
in
your
staff
report
to
establish
expedited
processing
procedures
and
also
to
waive
the
fees
that
I
just
outlined
for
property
owners
affected
by
the
hill
and
woolsey
fires,
and
with
that
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
mr
levers
is
here
available
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
G
Thank
you
mayor,
just
a
quick
question
on
the
expedited
planning
review.
You
mentioned
the
two
time
frames,
the
one
staff
level
time
frame
and
then
the
planning
commission
time
frame.
Can
you
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
which
would
qualify
for
staff
which
would
qualify
for
planning
commission?
Is
it
if
you
remain
in
the
same
footprint
or
as
there
are
other
qualifiers.
E
For
instance,
if
somebody
wanted
to
add
a
second
floor
to
the
design,
then
that
that
could
trigger
planning
commission
review
if
one
wants
to
expand
the
footprint
of
the
building,
for
instance
more
than
150
percent
of
the
previous
footprint,
then
that
would
trigger
planning
commission
review
as
well
like
for,
like
rebuilds,
that
would
be
essentially
building
permits
only
so
that
would
be
the
the
fastest,
but
what
we've
heard
from
other
cities
in
the
county,
ventura
city
venture
that
have
been
through
this
process?
E
In
that
case,
with
the
thomas
fire,
most
property
owners
choose
to
rebuild
a
their
home
in
a
slightly
different
design,
maybe
larger,
maybe
situated
differently,
maybe
an
additional
bedroom.
It
really
depends,
but
comparatively
few,
at
least
in
in
that
experience
rebuilt
exactly
as
the
home
was
originally
constructed.
So
there
are
triggers
for
planning
commission
versus
staff
review.
E
Fundamental
principle
is
that
designs
that
have
the
potential
to
either
affect
an
area
or
trigger
neighbor
interest?
Let's
put
it
that
way.
Those
typically
rise
to
the
planning,
commission,
level
and
others
are
are
processed
by
staff.
Having
said
that,
there
is
a
an
intermediate
step
where,
if
a
neighbor
is
concerned
about
a
pending
staff
level
decision,
then
we
hold
what
we
call
an
administrative
hearing
and
that's
free
for
that
party
and
enables
us
to
basically
resolve
any
kind
of
potential
concerns
in
a
more
informal
setting.
G
But
in
either
in
either
case
you're
looking
at
trying
to
expedite
any
of
these
pro,
these
processes.
E
E
If
a
project
would
normally
be
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission
and
a
proposed
home
design
would
trigger
the
same
review
level,
then
we
will
be
having
that
planning
commission
review
we're
not
we're
not
cutting
out
any
of
the
steps
per
se,
we're
adding
some
additional
work
on
the
front
end
and
coordination
with
ms
levers
and
basically
allocating
staff
specifically
to
this
task,
to
process
these.
These
rebuilds
so
essentially
we're
talking
about
40,
well,
38,
custom
homes
or
portions
thereof,.
I
Thank
you
mayor
for
ms
liebers
hi,
so
we
lost
36
homes,
two
commercial
buildings
and
12
properties
were
damaged
and
you're.
The
point
person
that
people
go
to
to
to
work
with
the
city
to
get
these
properties
rebuilt.
How
has
that
been
going?
Have
most
of
the
owners
come
forward
at
this
point
to
work
with
us.
K
I've
made
contact
with
all
the
homeowners
and
all,
but
11
have
actually
submitted
to
one
program
or
the
other,
and
by
11
I
mean
there's
actually
some
more.
It's
more
of
the
50
number
that
I'm
talking
about.
11
are
left
to
sign
up
and
out
of
the
38
there's
three
remaining
and
they're
in
contact
with
me
and
they're
responsive.
So
all
of
the
38
are
really
working
towards
getting
an
application
in.
I
J
And
if,
if
I'm
a
mayor
mccoy
just
to
add
on
to
that
the
service
that
we're
being
able
to
provide
through
the
public
works
department,
putting
furnish
forward
to
help
support
us
in
this
role,
this
was
really
one
of
those
lessons
learned
from
our
neighbors
to
the
north.
That
went
through
thomas
fire
and
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
folks
face
is.
J
Where
do
I
go
to
get
my
question
answered
and
there
can
be
a
whole
myriad
of
different
places
to
go,
and
so
by
having
far
at
the
table,
they're
able
to
call
direct
and
whether
she
knows
the
answer
off
the
top
of
her
head
or
not
she's
able
to
track
down
that
answer
and
respond
to
the
person
directly
and
that's
that's
a
service
that
we're
we're
pleased
to
be
able
to
provide-
and
we
hope
it's
going
to
help
make
the
process
a
painful
process
as
quick
and
and
yet
still
thorough
as
possible.
L
K
K
Actually,
I
think
it's
once
every
other
week
with
ventura
county
long-term
recovery
group,
so
the
immediate
needs
are
have
been
taken
care
of
the
immediate
financial
aid,
but
the
long-term
recovery
aid
is
being
worked
on
in
the
background,
and
I
will
once
they
get
an
answer
on
when
that
might
be
rolling
out
I'll,
get
that
out
to
the
people
in
need
over
there.
K
Some
of
it
was
due
to
that,
but
a
lot
more
of
it
was
just
due
to
the
fact
that
you
have
to
wait
till
your
insurance
runs
out
before
you
can
apply
okay
and
they'll.
They
make
you
wait.
I
think
it's
21
days
before
your
insurance
funds
runs
out
and
for
that
specific
there's
one
specific
person
I've
been
working
with
at
the
mobile
home
park
they've
been
able
to
work
it
out
and
they're
within
a
week
of,
I
think,
reapplying
to
fema
so
they're.
It's
cleared
up.
Thank.
L
B
B
I
Member
adam,
yes,
thank
you
mayor.
I
I
think
it's
pardon
me
great
credit
to
the
city
that
we've
spent
the
money
that
we
have
to
to
add
staff
to
the
community
development
department
to
get
these
permits
processed,
and
we
spent
some
money
on
debris
removal
program
and
we
want
to
see
these
homes
rebuilt,
and
I
want
to
thank
ms
liebers
and
mark
towne
and
his
department
for
making
this
processes
painless
as
possible,
even
though
it's
that's
almost
impossible
when
you're
trying
to
rebuild
your
home,
but
we're
here
to
help,
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
move
the
resolution
to
expedite
the
planning
process
and
to
waive
certain
fees
to
make
that
happen.
B
We
have
the
motion,
but
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
Did
you
want
to
say
something.
G
Yes,
I
just
want
to
chime,
along
with
councilman
adam,
that
what
we've
done
in
this
town
is
should
be
a
model
for
other
towns,
and
my
hat
is
off
to
you.
Having
done
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
this
area
in
the
past,
what
we've
done
here
at
the
city
is
is
very
good
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
support
any
efforts
to
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
for
the
people
who
are
were
the
unfortunate
victims
of
this
fire.
B
B
Thank
you,
mr
rodriguez,
that
takes
us
to
item
9b.
We
have
notter
hidari,
engineer,
division
manager
and
jay
spurgeon
public
works
director
they're
going
to
be
covering
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
wastewater
main
extension.
Take
it
away,
fellas.
M
M
There
is
currently
no
traditional
wastewater
service
for
the
parcels
south
of
the
ventura
county,
watershed
protection,
district
box,
along
thousand
oaks
boulevard
between
herbs,
road
and
canao
school
road.
That's
due
to
the
size
of
the
venture
county,
watershed
protection,
district
box
that
prevents
being
crossed
the
lack
of
gravity
sewer
service
is
a
hindrance
to
current,
and
you
know
future
development
in
the
area.
M
So,
in
response
to
that
need,
a
detailed
wastewater
analysis
was
performed
in
2018
to
engineer
a
new
wastewater
main
that
would
be
extended
along
this
and
dance
along
the
south
side
of
the
box.
That
would
also
be
factored
in
based
on
the
thousands
boulevard,
specific
plan
and
all
future
development
for
the
sizing.
M
The
project
is
being
constructed
in
two
primary
phases:
phase
one
was
advanced
so
that
it
could
be
constructed
in
conjunction
with
the
other
utility
and
site
work
on
the
lupe's
site
redevelopment
since
it
passes
through
their
parcel.
This
is
an
exhibit
that
shows
the
picture
here.
The
county
storm
drain
box
is
shown
in
blue
that
runs
parallel
to
thousands
boulevard
and
the
phase.
One
portion
of
the
wastewater
extension
is
in
green
on
the
upper
left
phase.
Two
expansion
is
shown
at
purple,
going
from
zuniga
ridge
all
the
way
down
to
the
lakes.
M
A
reimbursement
agreement
was
executed
with
gl
development
in
october
2018
to
construct
the
phase.
One
wastewater
improvements
and
there's
been
one
amendment
to
date,
which
was
authorized
by
the
city
council
in
december,
so
like
to
highlight
the
project
benefits.
The
creation
of
a
new
gravity
wastewater
main
would
help
all
parcels
south
of
the
county
box
on
thousands
boulevard.
M
This
wastewater
line
is
being
done
in
concert
with
the
larger
streetscape
improvements
as
well
for
the
downtown
core
which
is
going
to
launch
with
improvements
to
the
western
gateway,
the
intersection
between
herbs,
road
and
zuniga
ridge.
As
shown
here
in
this
concept
from
2018,
we
are
installing
and
upgrading
all
the
underground
infrastructure
first
and
then
to
be
followed
by
the
surface
improvements.
This
is
the
same
idea
behind
the
thousands
boulevard,
streetscape
waterline
amendment
that
was
on
the
consent
calendar
tonight.
M
M
The
county
storm
drain
box
is
shown
in
yellow
on
this
sketch
you're
likely
familiar
with
it.
Since
this
alignment
is
going
to
be
the
future
paseo,
that's
being
envisioned
to
go
through
the
downtown
core,
you
can
see
that
our
wastewater
line
generally
is
parallel
to
the
box.
However,
it
does
jog
a
bit
that
was
done
in
order
to
avoid
a
few
oak
trees
as
well
as
still
work
with
the
lupe
site
redevelopment
plan.
M
So
this
first
phase
that
is
underway
has
two
main
sections.
The
one
piece
that
we
started
on
was
in
thousands
boulevard.
That's
roughly
one
third
of
the
length
of
this
pipeline.
This
is
where
we
started
the
project.
It's
about
200
feet,
long
with
two
access
holes.
This
section
has
already
been
completed.
M
While
all
of
those
planned
challenges
did
present
themselves,
we've
also
had
several
unanticipated
challenges
that
also
presented
themselves
at
the
since
the
very
outset
of
the
project,
the
borderline
incident
and
the
associated
the
subsequent
fires
in
november.
Both
occurred
during
the
first
week
of
construction
and
required
us
to
shut
down
the
project
for
several
days.
We've
also
had
just
about
four
weeks
of
shutdown
due
to
the
unusually
heavy
rainy
season.
M
In
addition,
and
of
greater
impact
to
the
cost
and
schedule,
the
project
has
been
several
unforeseen
site
conditions
that
we've
encountered
over
the
past
few
months.
I'll
highlight
a
couple
of
these
in
detail
for
you,
the
first
major
differing
site
condition
that
we've
encountered
since
the
beginning
of
the
project
was
the
presence
of
a
large
section
of
extremely
hard
canajo
blue
volcanic
rock,
which
was
located
in
the
trench
zone
under
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
M
We've
also
had
substantial
added
cost
and
delays
due
to
the
high
ground
water
in
our
excavation
zone.
We
anticipated
some
groundwater
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
our
trenches,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
given
how
deep
they
are
and
we
had
allocated
for
that
in
the
project
bid.
However,
as
a
result
of
the
unusually
wet
winter,
we've
experienced
significantly
greater
groundwater
levels
within
our
trenching
operations,
with
constant
inflow.
M
M
M
Here's
a
tabulation
of
the
monthly
added
costs
that
have
been
incurred
to
date,
along
with
the
primary
factors
that
have
generated
the
costs
each
month.
You
can
see
the
extra
cost
peaked
in
december,
primarily
due
to
the
costly
specialized
rock
grinders
that
were
utilized,
and
that
has
been,
however,
decreasing
since
then.
M
Here's
the
overall
project
cost
showing
the
first
amendment
and
the
current
request
for
additional
budget.
It's
important
to
note
that
the
reimbursement
against
these
costs
will
occur
over
time
as
properties
connect
to
this
new
12-inch
wastewater
line.
The
current
forecasted
cost
to
complete
the
project
is
1.1
million.
M
M
B
Thank
you
nader
that
we
welcome
the
rain.
This
has
been
a
challenge
for
you,
good
work,
council.
You
have
questions
we'll
begin
with
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
L
M
M
It's
a
function
of
that,
and
so
the
use
of
the
soils
report
on
site
was
was
utilized
since
we're
going
through
the
site
for
the
most
part
and
that
level
of
rock,
although
it
does
exist
on
the
back
side
of
the
site,
wasn't
picked
up
on
the
underground
condition
and
so
far
it
was
only
encountered
in
the
street.
L
L
M
L
This
infrastructure
is
happening
because
of
anticipated
development
south
of
the
thousand
ox
boulevard.
What
is
the
anticipated
growth
in
terms
of
commercial
and
residential
that
this
infrastructure
improvement
will
serve.
M
L
M
B
All
right,
there's
no
public
speakers.
So
do
we
have
a
motion
council,
member.
I
I
Anyway,
putting
in
a
sewer
line
is
in
the
most
scintillating
of
projects.
However,
as
you
stated
in
this
report,
is,
is
really
a
prelude
to
the
creation
of
our
downtown
core
master
plan.
It's
a
prelude
to
widening
our
sidewalks,
making,
making
the
downtown
more
people
friendly,
creating
a
place
a
destination,
and
although
this
is
something
that's
like,
I
said
not
exactly
exciting
in
that
sense,
what
it
would
lead
to
will
be
and
just
like,
on
the
consent
calendar,
we
had
a
an
item
where
we're
gonna
looks
like
we're.
I
Gonna
upgrade
some
of
the
water
mains
and
all
this
infrastructure
stuff
has
to
take
place
before
we
can
get
to
the
creation
of
the
downtown
core
master
plan
which
we've
been
working
on
for
a
number
of
years.
So
thanks
for
keeping
at
it,
I
know
it's
been
a
tough
job
and
I
will
move
that
we
grant
the
extra
funds
to
get
this
job
done.
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
city
council.
Again
this
is
an
annual
report
that
is
required
of
all
cities
and
counties
in
california
that
each
entity
report
back
to
the
state
with
regard
to
how
we're
doing
on
implementing
our
general
plan
and
how
we're
doing
on
generating
housing
and
especially
housing
in
different
income
categories.
E
This
report
has
to
be
provided
to
the
state
by
april
1st,
so
we're
coming
right
up
on
on
that
time
frame
and
it
basically
is
composed
of
three
parts.
It
has,
as
I
mentioned
general
plan,
progress
report,
housing
element,
annual
progress
report
and
then
the
status
report
on
the
housing
successor
agency.
E
So
in
terms
of
the
general
plan
progress
report,
the
staff
report
does
describe
specific
actions
that
were
taken
with
regard
to
each
of
the
elements
in
the
general
plan,
particularly
in
the
context
of
changes
or
significant
implementation
activities.
So
in
this
image
you
have
four
bullet
points
which
identify
and
describe.
I
won't
go
through
all
of
this,
but
describe
general
plan
amendments
which
city
council
voted
on
last
year.
E
E
We
describe
in
our
report,
projects
that
are
both
in
the
design
and
the
planning
phase,
and
in
this
particular
report
we
described
six
public
works
projects
such
as
the
sidewalk
and
street
improvements
on
canelo
school
road
and
then
winding
around
to
willa
lane
in
terms
of
sidewalk
and
and
other
improvements,
and
then
construction
projects
are
described.
For
instance,
the
westlake
boulevard,
sidewalk
and
ada
curb
ramp
cuts
city-wide,
which
impressively
are
over
300.
E
We
also
describe
the
the
overall
growth
rate
in
terms
of
housing
production
and
so
now
as
we're
in
the
middle
of
the
a
little
bit
beyond
middle,
actually
the
fifth
year
of
this
eight
year
cycle
for
our
current
housing
element.
So
far
in
this
period,
the
last
five
years,
410
well
building
permits
have
been
issued
for
410
homes,
averaging
82
units
per
year
on
average
over
the
past
five
years.
So
it's
been
a
very
modest
growth
rate,
a
total
of
a
little
bit
over
80
each
year.
E
Now
again,
the
state
is
very
interested
in
seeing
how
we're
doing
on
meeting
our
our
arena
numbers
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
So
this
image
shows
the
the
progress
that
we
made
in
the
last
year,
and
you
can
see
it's
broken
out
into
these
four
income
categories
you
can
see.
E
E
These
are
very
low
units,
for
instance,
just
as
a
very
practical
sort
of
nexus.
These
are
the
very
low
units
that
were
included
in
the
apartment
building
that
is
currently
under
construction
on
caneo
school
road.
E
So
now,
if
we
take
a
look
back
at
the
past
five
years
of
reports
to
the
state
same
type
of
income
categories,
if
we
look
at
this,
this
column
right
here,
start
here
and
then
move
from
left
to
right.
You
can
see
that
the
state
gave
us
a
target
of
84,
very
low
income
units,
58
low
income
units,
36,
moderate
and
77
above
moderate.
E
E
E
136
permits
have
been
issued
over
the
past
five
years,
leaving
no
balance,
of
course,
and
the
same
applies
to
above
moderate,
no
real
problem
meeting
those
moderate
and
above
moderate
income
targets,
and
that
then
leaves
us
with
a
total
of
410
units
past
five
years
and
a
remaining
arena
which
is
120
units
in
this
slide,
that's
the
sum
of
the
very
low
and
low,
but
I
should
just
point
out
that
this
again
this
is
based
on
permits
issued.
E
So
it
does
not
include
the
units
that
you
have
approved
at
299
east
thousands
below
there
are
11
very
low
income
units
there
and
the
pine
crest
project,
which
we
are
also
looking
forward
to
to
it
going
forward,
which
tentatively
has
80
affordable
units.
So
those
would
take
a
big
bite
out
of
the
remaining
total
of
120,
assuming
that
they're
on
the
low
and
very
low
income
category
there's
91
units.
E
So
here
you
begin
to
see
the
relationship
between
the
projects
that
come
before
you
and
and
how
we're
striving
to
meet
state
state
mandates
graphically.
This
is
what
the
prior
table
looks
like
so
very
low.
On
the
left
hand,
side,
yellow
shows
the
arena
allocation
slash
target,
and
then
the
orange
denotes
the
number
of
units
that
that
have
been
permitted.
So
you
can
see
her
with
very
low.
E
We
have
permitted
about
a
quarter
of
our
target
on
the
low.
We
actually
have
fewer
we've
only
permitted
about
three
percent
of
our
target.
So
that's
an
area
of
focus
moderate
well
over.
Actually
it's
almost
four
times
the
target
and
above
moderate
about
over
three
times
the
target,
so
really
no
problem,
meeting
again:
meeting
moderate
and
above
moderate
income.
Those
are
income
categories
that
builders
tend
to
focus
on.
The
challenges
is
addressing
the
low
and
very
low
income
targets
that
the
state
provides
to
us.
E
I
also
wanted
to
just
take
a
moment
to
go
over
income
levels.
We
talk
about
these
four
income
categories.
I'm
sure
everybody
is
is
clear
on
this
and
just
as
a
little,
you
know
three
minute
refresher
when
we
talk
about
income
levels,
they're
set
by
the
state
and
they're
based
on
a
county
median
income
level.
So
if
you
look
here
at
the
top
of
the
image
last
year,
the
county
median
income
level
for
a
four-person
household
was
96
000,
so
that
is
sort
of
the
reference
points.
E
And
then,
if
you
look
at
these
categories,
this
is
what
they
equate
to
approximately
of
that
that
median
there
are
some
other
variables
that
that
the
state
factors
in
but
30
to
50
percent
is
the
definition
of
very
low
50
to
80
percent
of
area.
Median
income
is
low.
80
to
120
is
moderate
and
of
course
above
moderate
is
beyond
that.
E
So
if
you
look
at
these
percentages-
and
you
look
at
this
median
and
the
state
factors
in
like-
I
said
a
couple
of
other
variables-
you
end
up
with
these
income
levels.
So
when
we
talk
about
a
very
low
income
residence,
the
maximum
annual
income
for
a
four-person
household
is
about
51
000,
and
you
can
see,
as
you
go
down
here,
on
the
right
hand,
column
81,
000,
approximately,
for
low
income.
Moderate
115
000
is
the
maximum
income.
E
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
that
you
consider
and
then
direct
staff
to
file
this
2018
general
plan
and
housing
element,
annual
progress
report
and
direct
staff
to
provide
copies
to
the
state
office
of
planning
and
research
and
to
the
state
department
of
housing
and
community
development,
and
with
that
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
questions
and
to
my
left
is
jeff
spector,
who
is
a
senior
planner
and
who
was
the
case
planner
on
this
project.
Thank
you.
B
Let's
see
council
questions
we'll
begin
with
councilmember
adam.
Thank
you
mayor.
I
So
we're
looking
at
a
five-year
time
period
here-
and
I
know
I've
been
here
for
the
last
five
years
and
council
member
bill
de
la
pena
has
been
here
for
the
last
five
years
and
I
think
mayor
you've
been
here
for
almost
those
five
years
give
or
take
a
month
or
two,
maybe,
and
so
to
am
I
to
understand
that
over
this
five
year
period
that
the
three
of
us
have
presided,
this
city
has
had
410
units
built
which
averages
roughly
80
units
a
year.
I
I
think
it
works
out
to
eight
tenths
of
one
percent,
so
the
three
of
us
have
presided
over
those
those
additional
units
and
again
this
is
in
the
face
of
measure
e,
where
we've
had
many
units
available
for
the
last
10
years,
they've
been
not
utilized.
This
is
in
the
face
of
a
general
plan
that
allows
us
to
build
up
to
81
000
units
which
we're
not
going
to
do
by
the
way
and
we're
going
to
revise
that
when
we
do
our
general
plan
comprehensive
update.
But
it
allows
us
to
build
to
build
that.
I
I
No,
we
won't,
I
didn't
think
so,
and
I
think
a
big
reason
for
this
is
a
number
of
things
we
have
measury
in
place,
which
is
a
density
measure.
We
have
the
parks
initiative
in
place.
We
have
soar
in
place,
save
open
space
and
agricultural
resources.
I
We
have
a
approval
process
that
is
extremely
rigorous
to
build
anything
in
the
city.
We
have
to
get
a
pre-application,
we
have
to
go
to
the
staff,
we're
not
we,
but
builders
have
to
go
to
the
staff
they
have
to
go
to
the
planning
commission.
Then
they
have
to
go
back
to
the
city
council.
It's
extremely
rigorous
process.
I
Cost
of
land
here
in
the
city
is
extremely
high
and
for
all
intents
and
purposes
the
city's
basically
built
out
to
begin
with
and
we've
we
have
sankrasank
15,
000
acres
of
open
space.
This
is
basically
untouchable.
So
would
you
say
all
these
factors
play
into
the
fact
that
we've
only
built
400
units
in
five
years.
I
Okay-
well,
I
I
I
guess
the
case
I'm
trying
to
make
here
is
that
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
is
very
conservative
in
the
housing
that
we've
built
and
we're
very
cautious
in
what
we
approve
and
we're
looking
for,
of
course,
high
quality
and-
and
I
think
that
the
numbers
speak
to
themselves-
and
it
was
interesting
to
get
those
numbers
this
evening,
because
it
shows
you
as
a
city
exactly
where
we
stand
when
it
comes
to
come
to
housing.
L
L
L
So,
while
thousand
oaks
has
issued
few
permits
building
permits
in
the
last
five
years,
where
the
pain
truly
is
is
in
low-income
housing,
and
I
would
like
to
take
for
the
city
to
take
a
more
proactive
role
in
working
with
many
mansions
to
look
at
specific
sites
in
the
city.
Of
course,
money
is
always
the
issue.
L
L
I
I
I
hope
that
we
will
find
parcels
in
the
city
that
can
be
identified
not
for
above
moderate
income,
because
we
have
all
kinds
of
luxury
apartments
now
being
built
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
for
those
millennials,
but
we
also
need
it
for
the
low-income
families
because
they
do
bring
value
to
our
community.
So.
L
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
report
and
I
really
would
like
to
for
the
city
to
work
with
many
mansions
to
identify
parcels
that
are
that
the
city
can
pay
for,
don't
know
how,
yet
because
that's
the
big
question
to
to
get
that
number
to
what
it
where
it
needs
to
be.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
councilman,
bradham,.
I
Thank
you
mayor.
I
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more
claudia,
we're
definitely
the
deficit
when
it
comes
to
very
low
and
low
income
housing.
We
need
it
it
it
it's
funny
too,
because
very
low
and
low
income
isn't
all
that
low.
I
You
know
we're
talking:
workforce
housing
for
teachers
and
firefighters
and
police
officers,
veterans
veterans,
absolutely
the
disadvantage
that
we
face,
and
I
know
you
all
know
this
is
we
don't
have
a
redevelopment
agency
anymore?
In
fact,
we
had
25
million
dollars
stripped
from
our
redevelopment
agency
by
the
state
of
california,
so
we
can't
rely
on
that
and
you
brought
up
a
very
good
point.
I
L
L
I
Yes,
we
lost
a
many
mansions
project
that
they
pulled
out
of
because
the
surrounding
neighborhood
was
against
the
project.
So
that's
the
problem
with
many
mansions.
So
what
are
we
faced
with
when
a
developer
comes
forward
with
a
project?
We
can
insist
that
part
of
those
units
be
affordable,
whether
it's
very
low
or
low
income
like
299,
for
example,
we
were
fortunate
to
get,
I
think
it
was
a
dozen
or
so
units
there,
they're,
very
low
and
low
income
and
and
and
to
avoid
this
neighborhood
opposition.
I
I
think
we've
taken
the
tax
with
that
we
sprinkle
low
income
housing
around
town
by
insisting
that
projects
include
that
with
their
development
intentions.
So
I
think
you're
right,
the
neighbors
have
to
be
more
receptive
and
then
I
think
it
it's
incumbent
upon
this
council
to
be
more
receptive
as
well.
Two
building
projects
that
come
along
that
offer
the
public
benefit
very
low
and
low
income
housing.
So
that's
the
balance
that
we
face,
but
thank
you
for
those
comments.
I
B
Second,
that
miss
powers.
J
Thanks
mayor
macquarie
just
wanted
to
make
one
quick
follow-up
point
that
and
not
that
it's
completely
missing
from
the
discussion,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
to
emphasize
the
point
that
there
is
a
role
for
the
private
sector
in
all
of
this,
and
that
I
remind
the
council
that
last
october,
you
pre-screened
a
project
that
was
a
combination,
market
rate
and
senior
low
income
project,
the
pinecrest
school,
and
we
advanced
that
project
based
on
the
developers
timeline
as
an
attempt
to
to
close
their
escrow.
J
And
since
that
time,
staff
has
continued
to
push
and
monitor
that
project
and
the
applicant
and
others
are
continuing
to
work
with
the
property
owner
on
that
site
to
make
the
numbers
work.
And
this
comes
down
to
a
private
sector
portion
of
the
discussion
and
absent
as
councilman
brabham
mentioned
the
revenue
that
used
to
come
from
rdas
and
other
sources
of
funds.
That
would
would
come
through
it's
difficult
to
square
these.
B
We
have
no
public
speakers,
council,
discussion
or
motion
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
L
B
Again,
we
have
mr
mark
town,
community
development
director,
dr
jonathan
kramer,
founder
principal
attorney,
telecom
law,
firm
and
patrick
heeher
assistant
city
attorney,
and
we
will
be
covering
urgency,
ordinance
and
resolution
amending
regulations
and
policies
related
to
wireless
communication
facilities
and
resolutions,
initiating
amendments
to
regulations
and
policies
concerning
wireless
communication
facilities.
That's
a
mouthful,
take
it
away.
E
It
enables
much
faster
transfer
of
information.
It
has
a
variety
of
applications,
including
autonomous
cars
and
so
forth,
because
this
is
a
in
part
by
design.
These
facilities
are
smaller
than
your
traditional
macro
sites.
They
have
smaller
radii
about
300,
to
500
feet
instead
of
miles,
and
so
by
by
default
we
need,
or
we
are
likely
to
need,
a
larger
number
of
smaller
facilities
throughout
the
city
to
accommodate
this
new
technology.
E
This
image
is
one
that
simply
shows
the
the
current
5g
coverage
you
can
see.
Most
of
it
is
sort
of
in
this
east
and
southeastern
portion
of
the
country
with
spots,
in
los
angeles
and
sacramento
on
on
the
west
coast
in
terms
of
rollout
of
5g.
E
We
have
four
primary
carriers
in
the
city,
as
shown
here,
att,
sprint,
t-mobile
and
verizon,
and
these
facilities
today
they
come
in
all
shapes
and
sizes.
They
come
in
all
sorts
of
locations
and
on
new
structures.
Existing
structures,
as
shown
here,
some
of
the
more
popular
locations
are
on
buildings:
electric
transmission,
poles,
like
the
sce
lattice
towers,
sport
field,
light
poles,
etc.
E
And
now
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
quick
moment
to
look
at
our
existing
wireless
policies.
So
back
in
1997
city
council
adopted
what
we
call
city
resolution,
97
197,
which
has
governed
the
location,
design
of
macro
sites
and
some
smaller
sites
over
this
intervening
period
in
2009,
the
fcc
adopted
a
regulatory
ruling
which
established
time
frames
for
wireless
facility,
siting
and
and
those
are
shown
here,
90
and
150
days,
and
then
in
2012
fcc
adopted
another
rule
which
relates
to
what
we
call
6409
projects.
E
So
we're
here,
though,
tonight,
to
really
focus
on
the
most
recent
fcc
rule,
which
is
known
as
18133
published,
last
fall
and
again,
it's
stated
goal
is
to
facilitate
deployment
of
this
5g
infrastructure
and
to
be
direct.
It
limits
local
authority
over
these
quote:
unquote:
small
wireless
facilities
and
in
your
packet
tonight
we
have
included
some
attachments
which
are
intended
just
to
give
you
a
flavor
of
of
the
fcc's
viewpoint
on
5g
and
how
important
to
the
fcc
the
the
deployment
of
this
infrastructure
is
the
future
of
the
of
the
country
and
our
communication
technology.
E
So
some
of
the
items
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight
are
summarized
here:
these
facilities
they
are
primarily,
we
expect
them
to
be
primarily
within
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
access
is
specifically
granted
in
that
that
area,
although
they
could
be
outside
the
right-of-way
as
well,
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
fees
and
applications
shot
clocks,
which
is
the
time
frame
within
which
these
have
to
be
processed.
E
First
of
all,
the
antennas
for
these
facilities
can
be
no
more
than
three
cubic
feet
per
antenna.
Although
there's
no
limit
on
the
number
of
antennas
and
this
image
here
on
the
right
side
of
your
screen,
this
shows
a
very
typical
public
right
of
way
design.
You
can
see
the
replacement
light
pole
here,
the
light
fixture
and
then
what
we
call
a
ray
dome
on
top
and
typically
these
types
of
designs
have
three
antennas
in
that
cylindrical
structure,
which,
if
you
look
at
the
volume
of
the
cylindrical
structure,
is
about
nine
cubic
feet.
E
The
equipment
for
these
facilities
has
to
be
a
maximum
of
28
cubic
feet,
and
this
image
on
the
right
shows
not
28
cubic
feet,
but
it
gives
you
an
idea
about
the
the
approximate
size.
These
are
not
huge
structures,
but
they
obviously
are
quite
visible.
If
you
get
a
number
of
these
and
so
I'll
talk
about
this
later.
But
why
not
mention
it
now?
E
Our
approach
is
that
these
have
to
all
be
underground,
so
we
don't
have
to
look
at
this
now
height
standards,
the
small
wireless
facilities
have
several
structure,
height
standards,
and
these
are
ore
options.
So
an
applicant
can
locate
these
facilities
on
structures
that
are
50
feet
or
less,
including
antennas.
E
They
can
be
in
structures
that
are
no
more
than
10
percent
taller
than
adjacent,
and
they
can
also
be
located
on
structures
that
don't
extend
beyond
50
feet
or
by
more
than
10
percent.
Whichever
is
greater,
we'll
see
how
this
plays
out,
but
for
street
light
facilities
in
general
they're
about
30
feet
in
height,
excluding
that
ray
dome
that
I
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago,
and
so
the
facilities
we
have
in
town
in
terms
of
street
light
designs
are
currently
about
35
to
36
feet.
E
In
total,
height
fees
are
actually
set
in
large
part
by
the
fcc
they
set,
what
they
consider
presumptively
acceptable
rates
500
for
applications
involving
up
to
five
facilities
on
existing
structures
thousand
dollars
for
new
structures
and
then
a
a
an
annual
rate
for
these
small
cell
access
rates.
E
Now
this
is
probably
the
most
important
part
of
of
these
new
rules,
and
that
is
the
shock
clocks.
These
are
the
time
frames
within
which
we
have
to
process
these
applications,
so
the
sec
is
mandating
that
facilities
proposed
on
existing
structures
be
processed,
and
I
note
this
in
the
next
bullet.
E
They
have
to
be
processed
in
terms
of
application
to
building
permit
issuance,
including
all
intervening
steps
in
60
days,
two
months
for
facilities
proposed
on
new
structures,
say
a
replacement
street
light
it's
three
months
and
that's
again,
application
to
building
permit
issuance,
as
I
I
think,
will
become
evident
in
a
moment.
It's
not
practical.
It's
not
even
feasible
to
meet
these
deadlines
of
two
and
three
months
and
go
through
a
normal
planning
process.
E
This
is
a
diagrammatic
illustration
and
I
won't
go
into
all
of
the
steps,
but
this
illustrates
a
typical
process
and
potential
steps
for
a
wireless
case
that
would
go
to
the
planning
commission,
for
instance,
and
so
at
the
top
in
the
blue
is
the
planning
process.
You
can
see
it
it's
composed
of
a
number
of
steps.
A
number
of
these
steps
have
mandated
time
frames
associated
with
them,
particularly
in
terms
of
public
notice,
and
that
overall
process
in
blue
is
roughly
about
four
months
in
the
green
is
the
appeal
process.
E
If
somebody
appeals
a
decision
of
the
planning
commission,
then
officer
would
go
to
yourselves
for
final
adjudication,
and
that
is
typically
two
to
three
months
and
then
the
building
permit
process
is
about
two
months
now.
Theoretically,
that
can
be
conducted
concurrently
with
the
planning
process,
but
that's
usually
not
a
good
idea,
because
sometimes
the
design
can
change
through
the
process,
but
it
is
an
option
and
it
takes
a
couple
months.
E
E
So
again
we're
mandated
now
to
process
these
applications
to
building
permit
issuance,
including
all
intervening
appeals,
hearings,
etc,
etc.
Theoretically,
that
type
of
a
process
has
to
be
accommodated
within
60
to
90
days
and
staff
has
looked
at
this
very
carefully,
and
our
conclusion
is
that
it's
not
possible
to
meet
those
deadlines
with
our
our
existing
process,
as
illustrated
here
so
staff
is
recommending
the
following
approach
and
it
was
developed
in
coordination
with
dr
jonathan
kramer
seated
to
my
left,
who
is
an
expert
on
wireless
technology
both
from
a
technical
and
a
legal
standpoint?
E
So
I'm
glad
that
mr
kramer
is
here,
as
you
have
seen
him
on
on
other
occasions
and
also,
while
I'm
doing
it
I'll,
introduce
the
other
team
members
tonight,
patrick
here
assistant
city
attorney,
who
has
worked
extensively
on
this
project
and
again
jeff
spector,
a
case
planner
and
senior
planner.
E
Okay
back
to
the
recommended
approach,
what
staff
is
recommending
tonight
is
basically
two
things
first,
is
that
you
adopt
an
urgency
ordinance
with
an
attached
policy
resolution
that
addresses
the
the
small
wireless
facilities,
we're
also
asking
that
it
include
practices
basically
to
form
to
formalize
them
that
we
staff
have
been
using
for
these
this
other
class
of
facilities.
Is
these
comparatively
small
changes?
What
we
call
6409,
we
didn't
adopt
policies
for
6409
after
the
fcc
took
their
ruling
or
made
the
ruling
in
2012.
E
We've
just
been
following
federal
law,
and
now
we
just
want
to
formalize
that
pro
that
practices
not
presented
issues
between
that
point
and
tonight
we're
also
asking
that
you
initiate
a
regular
ordinance
with
corresponding
policies.
We've
included
a
resolution
to
start
that
process
tonight.
That
would
go
through
our
normal
process.
It
would
be
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission
and
come
back
to
you
for
final
action.
E
Now
that's
the
overview.
Now
I
want
to
get
into
a
little
bit
of
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
this.
What
staff
is
suggesting
and
again
we've.
Given
this
extensive
thought
had
extensive
discussions,
we
are
recommending
that
these
applica
applications
be
processed
without
public
notice,
hearings
or
appeals,
because
that
is
the
only
way
to
feasibly
meet
these
new
federal
standards.
E
E
Now,
given
that
that
that
process
staff
is
recommending
that
the
city
engineer
be
given
the
ability
to
approve
these
facilities
in
the
public
right-of-way,
because
that
director
or
his
designees
are
most
familiar
with
with
all
of
the
the
various
improvements
and
interests
in
that
physical
area,
which
we
do
anticipate,
will
be
the
majority
of
applications
and
that
the
community
development
director
would
have
approval
authority
over
such
facilities
proposed
outside
the
right-of-way.
They
could
be
on
a
building.
That's
adjacent
to
a
public
right-of-way,
for
instance,.
E
We
have
included
in
your
materials
in
the
resolution
policies
that
we
think
give
us
the
most
control
possible
over
this
new
class
of
facilities,
given
the
fcc's
ruling.
One
is
that
we
include
locational
preferences
so
from
most
to
least
pre-preferred.
We
have
a
hierarchy.
E
Aesthetic
requirements,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
fcc,
is
looking
for
objective
standards,
so
we
are
developing
those
as
we
speak.
The
new
aesthetic
rules
go
into
effect
next
month
at
the
that
were
enacted
last
year
by
the
fcc.
But
if
you
look
to
the
right
of
this
image,
this
is
actually
a
prototypical
design
that
was
developed
by
public
works
staff
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
would
have
a
replacement
poll,
a
replacement
street
light
and
then
some
type
of
a
structure
on
top,
hopefully
a
shroud
or
something
comparable
again.
E
This
would
be
about
30
feet.
It
varies
depending
on
the
plate
that
you're
referencing
and
then
these
radomes
tend
to
be
about
five
to
six
feet
in
height
and
about
12
to
18
inches
in
diameter.
So
this
is
a
prototypical
design
that
we
have
recently
developed
with
the
idea
that
if
a
wireless
carrier
wants
to
go
in
in
a
certain
area,
we
would
encourage
them
to
adopt
a
comparable
design
or
something
that's
even
less
less
obvious.
E
We
also
in
your
resolution.
I
won't
go
through
all
this,
but
we
have
standard
conditions
which
again
are
part
of
our
effort
to
make
sure
that
our
standards
are
known
to
the
wireless
companies
ahead
of
time
that
everything's
online.
They
can
now
look
at
those
through
our
code
in
the
resolution
and
understand
the
city's
position.
E
One
of
the
most
important
of
the
standard
conditions
that
we
go
through
on
all
facilities
proposed
in
the
city
is
that
they
always
have
to
meet
the
fcc's
rf
standards.
That
involves
a
technical
analysis
by
an
rf
engineer,
dr
kramer's
firm
reviews
that
that
report
to
ensure
that
it's
that
it's
accurate
and
comprehensive
and
that
will
continue
with
these
new
standards.
E
So
this
pie
chart
is
intended
to
show
sort
of
the
the
wireless
policy
framework
that
we're
looking
at
again
city
resolution,
97
197
we've
used
for
many
facilities
in
the
city.
It's
not
going
away.
It's
still
there
most
applicable
applicable
to
again
macro
sites.
We
have
the
6409
rules
for
comparatively
small
changes
to
existing
facilities.
E
We've
been
implementing
that
meeting
the
60-day
clock
and
that
would
continue,
but
it
would
be
formalized
through
the
resolution
and
ordinance
before
you
tonight
and
then
the
third
piece
of
the
pie
is
this
new
fcc
rule,
18,
133
piece
and
again.
Our
approach
is
to
in
full
recognition
of
federal
law
to
exercise
as
much
local
control
as
we
can
over
this
defined
group
of
of
wireless
facilities,
they're
intended
to
accommodate
5g
technology.
E
So
with
that
staff
is
again
recommending
that
you
adopt
the
urgency
ordinance
tonight.
That
would
go
immediately
into
effect,
adopt
the
corresponding
policy
resolution
and
then
also
adopt
the
resolution
that
would
initiate
the
regular
ordinance
that
we
would
then
take
through
planning
commission
and
bring
back
to
you
in
the
future
and
with
that
again
I'd
be
happy
to
answer.
Ques
answer
any
questions,
as
with
the
other
team
members
here
tonight.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
town.
Dr
kramer,
it's
good
to
have
you
with
us.
I
I
want
to
start
out
with
the
questions.
Typically,
I
let
the
rest
of
the
council
speak
first,
but
I
am
I'm
curious.
I've
heard
talk
that
by
2030
with
this
5g
and
autom,
you
know
driverless
cars
and
that
a
third
of
the
workforce
will
a
third
of
the
jobs
will
be
lost
through
automation,
whether
it
be
transportation
or
delivery,
drivers
or
cashiers.
B
N
N
Not
one
section
of
the
fcc
rules
requires
deployment
of
any
new
wireless
facility
anywhere
at
all,
much
less
in
areas
that
have
no
coverage
rural
areas,
for
example.
So
we
have
to
separate
the
rules
from
the
talk
and
the
talk
is
very
exciting
unless
perhaps
your
job
is
being
displaced
by
it.
But
really
this
is
a
fundamental
change
in
a
regulatory
policy
that
may
or
may
not
open
up
the
door
to
all
of
these
things
that
we
hear
that,
apparently
we
need
like
autonomous
cars
and
so
forth.
I
I
don't
know.
B
N
O
If
I
may
marry,
I
will
also
state
that
if
you
read,
if
you
read
the
the
exhibits,
that
we
have
the
attachments
that
we
have
for
this
project,
you
will
note
that
there
is
a
a
federal
statement
if
you
will
that
they
put
when
they
want
to
throw
this
regulation
at
us
and
all
the
local
entities
across
the
nation
by
the
way,
and
that
is
they're
called
the
5g
global
race
and
it's
to
benefit
americans
and
that's
how
that's
how
they
start
out
with
their
analysis
for
this
project
in
this
new
regulation
and
that's
important,
because
these
regulations
came
into
effect
on
january
14th
of
this
year.
O
There
are
other
ones
coming
into
effect
in
april
14th,
which
is
the
aesthetic
aspect
of
it.
And
so
we
we're
bringing
this
as
an
urgency,
because
if
we
don't
have
something
in
place
before
april
15th
or
14th,
we
we
could.
There
could
be
challenges.
O
So
we
take
what
they're
doing
there
are
challenges
actually
to
this
regulation.
At
this
point,
we
don't
know
what
the
status
of
those
challenges
are
at
this
point
and
what's
going
to
happen,
but
for
now
we
know
that
these
regulations
are
in
effect
and
that's
why
we
have
this
urgency
because
we
want
to
avoid
unnecessary
blight.
We
want
to
avoid
impacts
to
our
public
infrastructure.
So
if
we
don't
do
this
at
this
point,
we
need
to.
We
might
be
in
trouble
in
the
future.
B
All
right
just
so,
you
know
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
you
getting
ahead
of
this.
I
was
just
more
inquiring
at
the
doctor
as
to
the
urgency
at
the
federal
level
that
they
would
be
doing
this,
and
I
appreciate
your
answers.
Your
insights,
I'll,
open
it
up
to
the
rest
of
the
council
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
L
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy,
interesting
discussion.
Mr
kramer,
I
know
we
go
back
what
16
years
or
so
we
met
when
I
was
on
the
planning
commission
and
in
the
process.
You've
earned
your
phd.
Congratulations.
L
You
said
that
the
fcc
is
trying
to
accommodate
the
very
industry
they're
supposed
to
regulate.
Did
I
understand
that
correctly?
Yes,
okay,
given
that
now
we
are,
the
cities
are
forced
to
deal
with
this.
L
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
this.
This
is
really
kind
of
shocking
for
the
4
000
oaks,
because
we
pride
ourselves
on
public
notification
on
listening
to
to
the
residents
on
on
the
aesthetics
and
all
of
that
is
thrown
out
of
thrown
out
the
window
with
with
this
new,
with
these
new
requirements.
N
Under
the
present
proposed
rules,
decorative
light,
poles
are
not
available
for
use
as
cell
sites.
The
alternative
would
be
that
the
wireless
companies
would
install
their
own
new
polls
in
residential
areas.
Remember
that
the
in
this
technology
range
we're
looking
at
coverages
of
300
to
500
feet
per
cell
site
in
any
direction,
and
you
can
imagine
that
the
city's
successful
program
of
controlling
where
these
are
to
major,
thoroughfares
and
so
forth,
will
be
seriously
impacted
when
a
major
thoroughfare
is
more
than
300
feet
away
from
from
a
particular
house.
N
L
Correct,
so
if
we
wanted
to
protect
residential
areas
more
specifically,
and
I'm
just
asking
hypothetically
specific
plan,
designations
would
be
the
ones
that
would
we
would
prefer
that
they
stay
out
of
the
way
I'm
reading
this.
E
Well,
our
decor
decorative
light
bulbs
are
primarily
found
in
specific
planters,
downtown
thousands
boulevard,
specific
plan,
for
instance,
so
those
would
be
off
limits
under
this
approach
again
on
aesthetic
grounds,
but
we
are
leaving
the
door
open
for
other
facilities
in
the
same
area,
as
dr
cramer
mentioned,
a
new
light
pole
or
a
or
a
monopole.
Although
that's
not
our
preferred
approach.
E
Well,
there
may
have
been
a
little
bit
of
confusion
on
that.
Just
in
terms
of
the
image
that
I
used
that
I
that
bullet
point
was
intended
to
mean
non-residential
areas
or
specific
plans
with
non-residential
areas,
not
entire
specific
plans.
In
other
words,
specific
plans
are
custom
zoning
and
if
they
have
areas
that
are
designated
for
non-residential,
then
we
would
prefer
that
those
be
local.
These
facilities
be
located
in
those
portions
of
a
specific
plan.
O
So
our
goal
here
with
having
some
of
these
objective
standards
that
we're
going
to
have
published
so
any
carrier
can
come
to
our
city
and
look
at
our
our
standards
and
know
these
are
some
of
the
objective
types
of
structures
that
they
can
build,
and
it's
also
important
to
note
that
a
structure
can
be
many,
things
can
be,
a
can
be,
a
building
can
be
a
a
pole,
can
be
a
water
tank,
for
example.
O
So
the
word
structure
has
been
very
carefully
crafted
by
the
this
regulation
to
include
those
things,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
say
if
it's
going
to
be
in
the
right
of
way,
we
have
some
control
objective
control
with
maybe
how
it
looks
like
and
we
believe
staff's
recommendation.
Is
we
look
at
a
street
light?
That's
probably
the
less
intrusive
versus
a
monopole
or
versus
some
other
type
of
structure
that
could
be
used
so
we
have
to.
O
O
Now
there
might
be
new
technology
that
avoids
that
for
them.
Absolutely
that
might
be
true
and
we'll
have
to
look
at
that
objectively
for
when
they
come
in
with
these
applications.
The
other
concern
we
have
is
an
answer
important
to
remember.
If
you
go
to
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
there
are
very,
very
specific
constraints
that
local
entities
have
when
it
comes
to
these
things,
and
one
of
them
has
to
do
with
the
rf
emissions
and,
and
that
still
is
on
on
board
here.
O
It
adds
additional
constraints
now
to
how
we're
reacting
to
these
wireless
facilities
and
again,
these
are
mainly
going
to
be
small
wireless
facilities
in
the
public
right-of-way,
because
it's
less
expensive
for
them
to
go
into
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
then
into
private,
for
example,
where
they
have
to
expend
more
money
and
probably
have
a
higher
lease
rate.
L
G
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
We
don't
have
a
large
audience
here
today.
I
hope
there's
a
lot
of
people
looking
at
this
at
home,
because
in
effect
this
is
the
public
hearing
on
a
lot
of
structures
that
can
be
going
to
be
put
into
town.
G
Give
me
a
good
idea,
because
the
the
the
range
of
these
antennas
is
three
to
five
hundred
feet.
We
have
58,
you
know
square
miles,
I
mean
we're
talking
a
lot
of
poles
that
are
going
to
be
having
these
devices
put
on
them.
Is
that
a
good
assumption.
N
N
When
you
do
all
the
math,
you
come
up
to
somewhere
around
four
thousand
to
five
thousand
new
cell
sites
over
the
next
five
years
in
thousand
oaks
alone.
Is
that
realistic?
Do
we
really
believe
that's
going
to
happen
I'll
give
you
an
example,
since
these
rules
went
into
effect
in
january
january,
14th,
another
city
that
we
work
with?
This
is
public
record,
so
I
have
no
problem
sharing
with
it.
N
It
will
move
here
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
staff
is
very
concerned
about
getting
these
rules
adopted
so
that
before
the
the
rush
hits
here,
it's
normal
to
go
into
the
metro
areas
and
then
go
out
from
there.
We
want
to
have
the
rules
in
place,
but
you're,
looking
at
thousands
of
cell
sites
in
thousand
oaks
over
the
next
five
years,
compared
to
the
what
is
effectively
a
handful
of
160,
some
odd
cell
sites
now
140..
G
Thank
you
for
that.
I
think
it's
important
for
people
to
know
that
there's
this
there's
going
to
be
a
visual
impact
with
these
on
practically
every
corner.
So
and
there's
not.
My
understanding
is
that
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
say
that
this
will
be
coming.
There's
there's
some
benefit
and
I
think
mayor
touched
on
a
little
bit.
There
are
some
benefit
benefits
to
5g
that
might
be
out
there
that
are
exciting
for
a
lot
of
people
or.
G
Or
threatening,
there's
there's
always
a
two-edged
sword,
but
the
there
will
be
an
impact
in
our
town
that
really
we're
going
to
be
giving
staff
the
ability
to
approve
most
of
these
or
just
won't
be
time
to
do
a
normal
planning
process.
So
we
have
to
do
to
to
do
this.
G
B
Well,
if
there's
no
other
questions
from
the
council,
we
will
come
to
public
comments.
We
have
two
speakers
tonight
on
this
issue.
Our
first
speaker
will
be
aries
rajput.
B
Okay,
we'll
consider
that
thank
you,
but
thank
you
for
coming
out
and
then
our
next
speaker
bill
linde.
C
Yeah
good
evening,
mayor
good
evening,
city
council,
there
have
been
powerful
cell
towers
deployed
around
california
lately
and
more
numerous
amounts,
including
in
northern
california.
These
close
proximity
microwave
radiation
antennas,
called
small
cells,
are
mounted
on
public
utility,
poles
and
light
poles
in
the
public
rights
away.
Some
are
within
100
feet
of
homes
and,
most
importantly,
they
can
be
hazardous.
C
C
C
I
have
included
a
attachment
in
the
city
of
petaluma,
I'd
like
to
give
the
the
council
and
the
mayor
to
review
and
compare
it
to
your
your
proposals
for
your
ordinance
changes.
C
C
Another
step,
I'd,
like
the
city
of
thousands
to
consider,
is
to
join
the
appeal
lawsuit
process
that
marin
county
has
joined,
with
municipalities
against
the
fcc.
Regarding
these
new
cell
phone
technologies,
new
cell
phone
towers
that
the
the
recent
ruling
had
had
had
adopted
the
county
is
taking
the
legal
step
to
protest.
C
The
new
fcc
ruling
starts
to
handcuff
severely
traditional
areas
of
local
regulation,
with
new
time
limits
and
constraints,
as
explained
by
your
staff,
there's
an
inconvenient
truth
that
carriers
don't
want
the
city
to
know
about.
It
is
called
fiber
optics
which
is
safer,
cheaper
over
time
private
and
won't
affect
property
values.
C
B
C
Make
sure
whatever
you
you
enact
that
you
you
you
your
your
250
250
solution
is
better
than
a
lot
of
other
communities
have
are
adopting
or
considering
to
adopt.
So
please
adopt
that
250
250
solution
in
your
ordinance
and
also,
if
you
don't
make
sure
that
excellent,
aesthetic,
ordinances
or
or
upgrades
to
the
ordinance
are
done.
Your
property
values
will
decrease
sharply
as
seen
in
towns
like
sonoma
and
petaluma.
C
I
Adam
yeah
for
mark
or
dr
kramer,
one
of
the
speakers,
just
suggested
a
continuation.
O
O
O
O
Certainly,
staff
would
be
happy,
as
we
always
do
with
any
project
that
we
would
meet
with
any
of
the
stakeholders
and
meet
with
them.
We
have
a
resolution
for
initiating
a
second
ordinance
that
goes
through
the
standard
process
as
a
precaution,
but
we
will
be
happy
to
meet
with
them
and
talk
to
them
have
the
meetings
with
them.
Absolutely
we
would
do
that,
but
tonight
our
recommendation
is
that
you
move
forward
with
this
urgency
ordinance.
O
N
N
That
said,
I'll
turn
to
the
other
comments
that
have
come
in
most,
notably
the
public
is
concerned
about
radio
frequency
emissions.
I
I
know
several
of
the
council
members
have
have
heard
me
talk
about
this
in
the
past.
If
you'll
indulge
me
for
a
couple
of
minutes
so
that
the
public
at
home
who's
watching
this
tonight
can
get
a
better
sense
of
what's
going
on,
I
think
it'd
be
worth
it
back.
In
1996,
the
telecom
act
was
passed
by
congress.
One
of
the
provisions
in
it
required
the
fcc
to
develop
national
standards
for
rf
emissions.
N
The
fcc
took
on
the
task
in
1997
and
went
out
and
went
to
public
radiological
health
officials,
wireless
industry,
the
military.
They
looked
at
standards
in
other
countries
and
they
came
up
with
a
standard
for
the
us.
The
standard
for
the
u.s
by
the
way
is
based
on
a
couple
of
things:
it's
not
a
unitary
standard.
N
It
reflects
the
fact
that
we
as
people
big
bags
of
water,
if
you
will
absorb
certain
frequencies
more
efficiently
than
others,
so
the
fcc
even
took
that
into
account
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
created
a
standard
that
had
a
safety
margin
built
into
it.
I'm
going
to
use
as
a
college
professor,
I
I
think
I'm
allowed
to
use
a
visual
aid
to
explain
what
that
safety
standard
is.
I
have
a
12
inch
ruler,
assume
at
the
top.
N
That's
the
point
where
you
can
actually
measure
some
effect
caused
by
rf
and
it's
actually
it's
heating.
It's
not
a
dna
change.
These
are
non-ionizing
emissions,
just
heating,
so
the
fcc
had
to
set
its
national
standard
for
public
exposure,
24
7
somewhere
between
0
and
12..
We
know
they
didn't
set
it
at
0,
because
that
means
there's
no
emission.
N
We
know
they
didn't
set
it
at
12,
because
that's
the
point
where
you
can
actually
measure
some
change
so
on
this
scale
of
0
to
where
did
the
fcc
set
its
standard
0.26
inches
and
as
it
turns
out
mathematically,
that
means
that
there's
a
55-0
times
50
safety
margin
between
the
maximum?
We
can
be
exposed
without
even
knowing
it
and
the
point
where
you
can
actually
measure
an
effect
from
that
exposure.
N
Now,
that's
the
technical
part.
Let
me
let
me
switch
now
to
the
lawyer.
Part,
which
is.
This
is
an
area
where
the
fcc
completely
occupies
the
field.
They
are
the
sole
national
agency
that
sets
these
standards.
We
can't
even
adopt
the
fcc
standards
as
our
own,
so
the
question
is-
and
this
is
in
the
telecom
act.
This
is
in
the
fcc
rules
and
this
is
even
at
state
law.
The
question
is:
does
a
proposed
project
comply
with
the
fcc
rules?
N
If
it
does
then
legally
that's
as
far
as
we're
allowed
to
take
it?
There
are
certainly
very
thoughtful
public
concerns
about
the
effects
of
rf,
but
at
a
local
government
level
like
kieran
thousand
oaks,
we're
not
allowed
to
nullify
a
federal
rule.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
one
of
the
things
as
you've
already
heard
that
we
do
at
our
firm
is
we
evaluate
whether
the
applicant's
project
will
comply
with
the
fcc
rules
and,
interestingly,
there
are
some
times
when
they
propose
projects
that
don't
so
we've
caught
those.
N
But
I
can
tell
you
that
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
historically
for
a
long
time
decades,
has
evaluated
compliance
with
the
fcc
rules
as
a
threshold
standard
for
approval,
which
is
far
more
than
virtually
well
most
other
cities.
They
don't
have
the
technical
expertise
to
do
that.
So
that's
kind
of
the
the
long
and
short
that's
how
we
got
here.
N
That's
in
terms
of
the
safety
margins
that
are
built
in
a
50-time
safety
margin,
that's
what
we're
allowed
to
do
legally
and
what
we're
not
allowed
to
do
under
federal
state
and
even
congressional
law.
So
that's
kind
of
the
tour
of
rf
safety.
If
you
have
questions,
of
course,
I'll
happily
answer
them,
but
that's
kind
of
a
broad
tour
of
the
entire
subject.
N
Finally,
I
think
there's
a
comment
about
joining
the
lawsuits.
I
can
tell
you
that
our
firm
represents
the
league
of
california
cities,
the
league
of
oregon
cities
in
the
league
of
arizona
cities
and
towns
file.
L
Quick
question
regarding
the
leagues,
california,
leagues
and
oregon
leagues
of
cities
you
are
representing
both.
Did
you
mention
a
third
entity.
L
Okay,
so
all
three
of
them,
so
would
you
then
advise
this
city
like
thousand
oaks,
to
join
other
california
cities
that
are
suing
individually
as
part
of
amicus
brief,
or
anything
like
that
that
that
that's
his
question.
N
O
I
would
certainly
hold
off,
and-
and
if
we
want
to
have
that
discussion,
we
can
certainly
bring
it
in
a
proper
arena
to
discuss.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
regulations,
as
dr
kramer
has
said,
the
regulations
are
in
effect
right
now,
even
with
the
lawsuit.
That's
very
important
to
note
the
april
15th
date
is
on
the
horizon.
14Th
it's
on
the
horizon.
O
It's
very
important
to
know
that
we
have
to
that's
why
we're
doing
this
urgency,
and
one
of
the
concerns
we
have
with
the
federal
regulation
is:
there's
a
lot
of
definitions
and
vagueness
and
and
broadness
in
some
of
the
terms
and
part
of
the
lawsuit,
I
think,
is
to
try
to
get
an
understanding
of
what
those
terms
mean,
because
it
leads
to
problems
when
people
or
agencies
have
to
affect
that.
O
I
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
informative
presentation.
It's
good
to
see
you
again,
dr
kramer.
I
But
it's
clear
to
me
that
this
is
urgent
and
that's
why
it
was
presented
as
an
urgency
ordinance
and
then
we
do
have
an
april
15
timeline
and
the
rules
are
the
rules
as
they
stand
now,
the
california
cities
may
be
able
to
change
that
remains
to
be
seen,
but
we've
got
to
deal
with
what's
in
front
of
us
and
I
do
want
to
commend
staff
for
coming
up
with
every
opportunity
possible.
Within
this
framework,
that's
been
giving
us
to
protect
our
citizens,
protect
the
aesthetics
of
our
community
and
the
health
of
our
citizens.
I
We're
going
to
do
everything
possible
to
make
sure
that
we
make
this
as
as
aesthetically
pleasing
as
possible,
but
you
know:
there's
a
there's
a
race
to
get
5g
in
this
country
and
the
fcc
is
behind
it
and
att
verizon
t-mobile
sprint
are
all
going
to
be
part
of
that
race.
As
you
mentioned,
the
one
community
that
had
what
was
it
70
applications
in
the
first
six
weeks.
I
Yeah,
so
we're
going
to
get
quite
a
few,
so
this
any
other
words.
This
is
an
ordinance
we
we
definitely
have
to
in
my
opinion,
pass
tonight.
So
I
would
like
to
move
that.
We
do
in
fact
pass
the
staff
recommendations
for
90
the
urgency,
ordinance
and
resolution
amending
the
regulations
and
policies
related
to
wireless
communication
facilities,
recommendations.
B
Thank
you
very
much
just
to
be
clear
to
all
the
folks
out
there
tonight
we
were
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
mandates
from
the
fcc
and
we
want
to
maintain
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
our
autonomy
and
maintain
the
beauty
of
our
city
and
everything
that
we
did
tonight
was
for
that
purpose.
So,
however,
you
feel
about
5g
and
these
towers
coming
in
that's
a
federal
issue.
B
Take
it
up
with
your
congress
member,
but
here
locally,
we
are
implementing
this
in
order
to
protect
what
we
consider
to
be
the
beauty
of
our
city.
So
thanks
for
all
your
work,
that
concludes
item
9d.
We
have
no
committee
or
commission
reports.
J
I
just
one
item
mayor
mccoy.
Our
next
regularly
scheduled
city
council
meeting
will
be
two
weeks
from
tonight
on
the
19th
of
march.
That
will
be
our
annual
goal,
setting
session,
which
will
be
held
this
year
in
the
founders
room,
which
is
in
our
main
cavalier
theater
on
the
second
floor,
and
it
will
be
a
6
p.m.
Start
time
will
be
our
annual
goal,
setting
meeting
on
the
19th
of
march
at
6
p.m,
just
a
reminder
to
everyone.
J
As
we
did
last
year
it
was
the
first
year
we
broadcast
that
meeting
remotely
live,
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
same
thing
this
year
as
well,
so
you
you'll
be
able
to
tune
in
from
from
home.
That's
all
I
have.