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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting | February 22, 2022
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Thousand Oaks City Council Meeting -2/22/02
F
F
G
Good
evening
everybody
and
welcome
to
our
february
22nd
city
council
meeting
for
everyone
watching
at
home.
We
are
still
doing
our
remote
meetings
and
we
will
be
addressing
that
shortly.
We're
trying
to
stay
as
compliant
with
coveted
restrictions
as
we
can
with
that
said,
I
would
like
you
to
join
with
me
in
honoring
our
nation's
flag.
G
E
Thank
you
so
much
mayor
engler
for
giving
me
an
opportunity
right
at
the
outset
to
introduce
the
newest
member
of
our
city's
executive
team.
It's
my
great
pleasure
tonight
to
introduce
to
the
community,
because
the
council
has
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
her
already
jennifer
patterson
she's
joining
us
as
our
new
library
services
director
after
a
nationwide
recruitment,
with
a
lot
of
talented
folks,
jennifer
came
out
on
top
in
that
process
and
we're
extremely
excited
that
she's
chosen
to
make
a
move
all
the
way
from
the
east
coast
to
join
us.
E
Jennifer
has
over
a
decade
of
library,
service
experience
in
some
very
large
organizations,
most
recently
in
the
city
of
greensboro
north
carolina
with
eight
different
locations
where
she
held
the
position
of
deputy
director
she's
already
she's
been
with
us
a
week
now,
she's
been
a
fantastic
addition,
not
just
to
the
library
services
team,
but
to
our
overall
executive
team
and
I'd
like
to
take
a
minute
to
welcome
her
to
our
community.
Thank
her
for
making
the
track
out
west
much
as
I
did
about
20
years
ago.
H
G
And
welcome
from
us
on
the
dios
jennifer
is
glad
to
have
you
on
board,
looking
forward
to
a
very
productive
tenure
here
at
the
city.
Thank
you
for
coming
out
with
that
said.
Before
we
get
into
our
our
meeting
tonight.
I
did
want
to
make
a
couple
of
comments
over
the
last
over
a
week
and
week
and
a
half
ago,
we
had
two
events
that
occurred
in
our
town
and,
as
these
things
tend
to
go,
one
was
a
happy
event,
but
the
other
one
was
quite
disturbing.
G
G
G
B
This
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
Four
individuals
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
G
I
The
june
7
election
is
a
chance
for
ventura,
county
and
thousand
oaks
to
break
free
from
career
politicians
who
have
done
nothing
but
work
to
keep
their
jobs
and
try
to
grow
their
power,
not
lift
up
the
community
under
claudia
dela,
pena's,
seemingly
forever
rain
and
local
government
in
thousand
oaks.
Our
homeless
problem
has
gotten
worse.
Property
crime
is
increasing.
I
I
I
I'd
like
to
commend
don
in
her
article
and
kyle
for
the
acorn
headline
that
called
the
white
supremacists
on
the
overpass
neo-nazis
because
they
are
neo-nazis,
neo,
meaning
new
and
nazis,
meaning
well,
you
know
who
the
nazis
are.
The
nazis
went
after
not
only
the
jews
but
black
folk,
the
lgbtq
community,
the
physically
and
mentally
disabled
social
democrats.
Dissenting
clergy,
artists,
gypsies,
jehovah's
witnesses,
and
the
list
goes
on.
Ultimately,
no
one
is
truly
safe
from
this
hateful
ideology.
I
Perhaps
if
the
resolution
put
forth
last
year
by
805,
resistance
had
been
adopted
and
a
stance
against
hate
crimes
been
taken.
Maybe
the
neo-nazis
wouldn't
have
felt
as
welcome
here
as
they
did
regarding
tonight's
resolution.
I'll
leave.
Leave
you
with
this
quote
from
ibrahim
x,
kennedy
kennedy.
It
doesn't
matter
what
you
intend.
It
doesn't
matter
what
you
feel
all
that
matters
is
the
outcomes.
If
a
given
policy
or
action
reduces
racial
inequality,
it
is
an
anti-racist
action
if
it
increases
it.
It
is
racist.
If
you
support
policies
that
reduce
racial
inequality,
you
are
being
anti-racist.
D
At
this
time,
based
on
what
I'm
led
to
be
believed
might
be
the
action
plan
in
comparing
the
city's
reactions
to
other
cities.
There
are
a
few
areas
of
concern
that
I'm
not
seeing
being
addressed,
one
of
which
that
powers
are
given
to
the
city
to
remove
the
encampments
in
the
case
of
critical
infrastructure.
D
D
I
did
have
another
discussion
earlier
in
the
day
whereby
we
reference
martin
versus
boys,
of
which
the
descent
of
the
court
was
not
in
regards
to
an
ability
for
others
to
trespass
create
criminal
trespass
in
the
means
of
dumping
trash
existing
under
non-seward
conditions.
The
ruling
simply
stated
that
an
individual
could
not
be
stopped
from
living.
Their
bodily
function,
life
we're.
J
D
About
two
separate
things
here,
and
so
martin
versus
boys
specifically
goes
after
the
eighth
amendment.
Cruel
and
unusual
is
allowing
people
to
live
in
a
field
without
sewage.
So
I
would
ask
the
city
council
to
consider,
as
they
had
previously
considered,
moving
these
individuals
to
a
supervised
area
with
support
services
that
will
allow
them
to
potentially
migrate
to
a
better
solution
than
continuing
living
in
an
open
air
infrastructure.
Thank
you
yield.
E
Mr
mayor,
the
only
follow-up
is
in
regards
to
our
last
speaker
regarding
homelessness,
we'll
continue
to
dialogue,
assistant
city
manager,
drinker
hardy
and
police
chief
jeremy
paris
had
conversations
today,
as
I
think
the
council
knows,
we
continue
to
work
very
closely
with
caltrans
and
would
like
to
to
see
further
action
on
their
part
as
we
continue
to
move
forward.
We'll
continue
to
work
to
address
those
concerns.
That's
all.
G
L
I
I
E
J
Jones,
mr
mayor,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
pulling
this
matter.
I'd
like
to
just
have
a
little
more
information.
If
I
may
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
creating
affordable
housing
at
the
corner
of
herbs
and
hillcrest.
Excuse
me,
and
I'd
just
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
the
mechanics
of
how
we're
doing
this
and
we're
going
to
align
with
some
a
non-profit
or
some
company.
That
is,
has
experience
in
this
sort
of
thing,
and
I
I
just
wonder
without
belaboring
it.
E
Sure,
thank
you
for
mayor
pro
tem.
I'm
going
to
have
gary
deputy
manager.
Gary
rogers
speak
specifics
to
the
to
the
issue.
The
item
before
you
is
a
consultant
contract
for
the
consultant.
That's
a
an
expert
in
these
types
of
affordable
housing
projects,
and
this
is
a
first
of
its
kind
project
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Many
folks
will
know
that
we've
done
affordable
housing
in
a
variety
of
capacities
through
the
years,
but
mostly
in
partnership
with
other
local
entities.
E
I
Thank
you,
mr
powers,
council,
member
jones
and
council.
This
is
a
highly
complex,
real
estate
transaction.
There
are
some
significant
financial
and
legal
considerations
that
we
need
to
fully
consider
and
investigate.
The
retention
of
rsg,
as
proposed
in
the
staff
report,
will
bring
to
us
a
well-experienced
partner.
Who's
been
actively
involved
in
affordable
housing
throughout
the
state.
I
J
I
Well,
that
would
be
a
separate
part
of
the
contract,
but
they'll
be
doing.
Part
of
their
investigation
will
be,
including
looking
at
the
proposals
that
come
forward
and
the
various
elements
and
assumptions
that
those
developers
are
using
to
for
their
project
and
they're
testing.
Those
assumptions
to
ensure
that
they're,
accurate
and
helping
us
to
identify
the
proposer.
Who
brings
forward
really
the
most
sound
project.
J
I
J
E
E
J
If
a
developer
were
to
have
bought
that
corner
and
then
produced
townhouses,
it
would
seem
to
me
that
he
would
have
to
charge
much
much
more
and
I
was
just
trying
to
get
a
feeling
for
what
percentage
you
know
of
that
cost.
If
he
had
bought
the
land,
couldn't
we
deduct
because
of
the
fact
we
bought
it?
So
I'm
my
ultimate
goal
is
to
try
to
have
as
much
affordable
housing
as
we
can
manufacture
here.
Thank
you.
E
G
G
K
Enough,
I
I
wanted
to
address
the
question
to
mr
powers
and
mr
rogers
on
this.
I
want
to
get
a
flavor
of
the
timing,
because
something
as
an
opportunity
may
this
council
may
want
to
take
advantage
of
is
since
we
had
purchased
this
property
on
hillcrest
and
herbs
is
that
the
ymca
has
closed,
and
I
was
thinking.
Would
this
not
be
a
good
synergy
to
occur
that
we
repurpose
some
of
the
buildings
or
encourage
the
ymca
to
make
that
a
part
of
their
home
there
with
other
affordable
housing
there?
K
K
E
The
councilmember
mcnamee,
so
our
intent,
as
I
mentioned,
is
to
bring
our
consultant
to
the
council
to
have
one
final
check
in
prior
to
issuance
of
the
rfp.
So
the
council
gave
some
initial
direction
back
in
august
when
the
property
was
when
we
initiated
the
purchase
and
sale
subsequently.
That
purchased
sales
has
been
completed
in
november,
and
so
we'll
be
coming
back
to
the
council
at
that
moment,
to
both
offer
some
consultant
advice,
but
also
to
hear
from
the
council
before
issuance
of
the
rfp.
K
K
This
may
not
even
be
an
option,
but
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
if
council
wants
to
explore
that
as
a
possibility,
because
I
think
there's
tremendous
energy
by
having
the
affordable
housing
there
with
the
ymca
at
the
same
location,
whether
it
be
tutoring
for
after
school
or
the
athletic
activities
or
child
care,
whatever
the
ymca
wants
to
provide,
besides
essentially
located
for
many
of
our
residents,
could
take
advantage
of
the
amenities
of
the
ymca
right
there.
So
thank
you
mayor.
G
J
H
K
As
I
drive
around
the
various
cities
around
the
southland,
I
appreciate
the
effort
that
we
put
into
taking
care
of
our
roads
and
fixing
potholes
and
keeping
the
roads
in
shape.
It's
a
very,
very
nice
feature
of
our
city,
and
we
do
a
good
job
managing
it.
However,
I
cannot
be
part
of
this
vote
because
apparently
my
neighborhood
is
designated
for
part
of
the
slurry
and
repair,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
recuse
myself.
My
question
for
you,
mary
angler,
is,
as
I
bow
out
here
virtually.
K
L
J
G
G
K
Here
I
understand
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
about
the
neighborhood
there
at
wildwood
park.
The
neighborhood
is
quite
large,
but
there's
a
within
the
first
two
blocks
of
the
virtual
parking
lot.
That
is
there
the
parking
lot
there
can
get
up
to
a
thousand
cars
on
any
weekend
and
people
are
lining
up
during
the
week,
also
at
5
30
in
the
morning
waiting
for
that
gate
to
open
for
them
to
park
and
enjoy
the
hiking
trails
difficult
very
much
for
the
residents
that
live
there
and
their
quality
of
life.
K
This
gives
an
option
to
actually
find
a
creative
solution
for
them
to
divert
some
of
the
parking
that's
been
taking
place
in
their
neighborhoods.
I
do
have
a
question.
I
guess
it
would
be
for
project
manager,
or
maybe,
mr
findlay.
When
is
this
project
supposed
to
begin,
and
when
does
it
actually
end?.
D
D
K
And
I'm
very
sorry
that
the
residents
are
having
to
wait
so
long,
given
the
sloth
of
government,
my
thought
is:
if
everyone
in
sacramento
were
to
live
next
to
that
parking
lot
and
experience
what
they're
experiencing
it
would
have
gotten
through
in
a
week,
but
because
they
don't
experience
the
quality
of
life
issues
it
just
moves
along
as
the
pace
sacramento
allows.
So
thank
you.
I
look
forward
to
the
completion
of
this
project
and
addressing
the
issues
of
the
residents
there,
so
they
have
better
quality
of
life.
K
G
Very
good
we're
going
on
with
our
first
public
hearing
for
tonight.
This
is
8
a
which
is
a
adoption,
perhaps
of
objective
design
standards
for
our
city.
Our
presenter
tonight
is
ian
holt,
one
of
our
senior
planters
planners
I
mean
and
kari
finley
and
kelvin
parker
will
also
be
available
for
comment
and
questions.
B
B
N
N
Several
of
these
laws
mandate
that
local
agencies
may
only
use
objective
design
standards
in
response.
This
agenda
item
involves
zoning
code
amendments
to
include
objective
design,
standards
for
residential
and
mixed-use
residential
and
commercial
development
proposals
when
we
evaluate
their
applications.
M
It's
a
bit
of
a
background
back
in
2018
sb
35
was
legislation
that
brought
forward
a
streamlined
ministerial
approval
process
for
multi-unit
and
mixed-use
housing
projects,
and
that's
introduced
the
term
objective
standards
and
help
define
it
and
in
january,
2020.
Sb
330,
which
was
also
changes
to
the
housing
accountability
act
further
emphasized
the
need
to
include
objective
standards
in
the
approval
process,
as
well
as
also
add
provisions
for
permanent
streamlining.
M
Requirements
for
qualifying
residential
projects,
then,
back
in
june
2020,
the
city
council
approved
a
resolution,
basically
initiating
their
requests
and
authoring
authorizing
staff
to
do
an
evaluation
of
the
existing
code,
as
well
as
the
guidelines
and
commence
with
preparing
some
drafts.
Objective
standards.
M
M
As
part
of
staff's
initial
research
and
looking
at
this,
we
went
to
the
existing
design
guidelines
and
the
municipal
code
establishes
the
design
review
procedure,
yet
it
relies
on
adopted
guidelines
and
policies.
So,
on
the
surface
in
the
code,
since
it's
referenced
in
the
code,
it
would
imply
that
it
is
objective.
M
But
in
terms
of
establishing
new
objective
standards.
There
was
two
areas
that
needed
to
be
clarified
for
such
as
building
height
and
open
space,
both
of
those
were
determined
by
the
decision-making
authority.
And
so
we
need
to
clarify
those
so
that
applicants
know
upfront
what
the
requirements
are.
M
And
just
for
example,
some
of
the
language
that
we
came
across
in
the
code,
such
as
like
the
commission,
may
impose
such
additional
conditions
and
and
residential
development,
as
the
commission
finds,
are
reasonable
and
necessary
to
carry
out
the
purposes
and
requirements
the
rpds
own.
So
that
kind
of
leaves
it
very
open-ended.
At
the
point
of
the
distance
in
when
a
decision-making
is
being
made,
that
standards
can
be
applied.
M
So
the
proposed
objective
standards
will
ultimately
benefit
both
the
city
and
applicant
with
the
certainty
and
greater
efficiency.
Through
the
planning
process,
we
will
be
introducing
article
22
of
municipal
code.
Currently
it's
a
placeholder
from
previous
section
that
was
remitted,
so
the
new
objective
standards
for
residential
development
would
be
contained
in
article
22,
as
well
as
the
procedures
also
the
objective
standards
to
address
kind
of
fundamental
site
and
building
design
terms
and
then
in
generating
those.
M
M
And
then
you
get
into
the
building
types
and
design
where
that
approach
is
addressing
the
missing
middle.
That
we've
heard
as
far
as
the
need
to
provide
that
transitional
housing
in
a
multi-family
format,
frontage
types,
how
the
building
interacts
with
the
public
realm
the
streets
and
then
standards
regards
to
building
massing
and
articulation,
facade
transparency,
window
details
and
then
requirements
for
private
and
common
open
space
in
multi-family
development,
as
well
as
a
variety
of
other
kind
of
accessory
structures
and
other
building
elements
such
as
rooftop
equipment.
M
So
the
first
criteria-
you
know
as
far
as
street
pedestrian
connectivity
and
automobile
access-
it's
really
trying
to
promote
internal
connectivity
within
the
project
site,
as
well
as
external
connectivity
with
other
existing
and
planned
streets.
There
are
certain
prohibitions
on
street
designs
that
kind
of
either
add
to
traffic
issues
or
promote
kind
of
exclusivity.
M
M
Parking
location
and
configuration
it's
basically
primarily
the
primary
intent,
is
to
kind
of
hide
the
parking
from
the
public
realm,
so
that
would
be
located
behind
the
building
or
if
it
was
located
adjacent
to
the
building,
it
would
did
not
project
in
front
of
the
building.
In
some
cases
where
there
was
a
corner
lot,
there
would
be
other
limitations
as
far
as
how
much
of
the
street
frontage
could
be
would
be
able
to
have
exposed
parking.
M
M
Then
you
have
the
frontage
types
that
are
applied
to
each
building
and
these
will
provide
the
the
the
various
dimensional
criteria
for
porches
in
terms
of
width,
depth,
height
covering
and
whatnot,
including
how
units
are
have
to
be
oriented
towards
those
common
areas.
If
they're
not
immediately
accessible
from
the
street.
M
Then
there
is
building
masking
articulation
where
there
are
numeric
standards
applied,
such
as
buildings,
not
to
exceed
200
feet,
and
then
there
are
a
variety
of
treatments
that
need
to
be
applied
to
these
buildings
in
terms
of
the
building
base.
What
kind
of
materials
the
depth
of
those
materials,
as
well
as
the
different
architectural
elements
and
roof.
J
M
M
M
And
the
last
criteria
I'm
going
to
cover
in
my
presentation
is
the
common
open
space
for
multi-family
developments,
and
this
is
something
that
doesn't
exist
currently
in
the
code.
But
basically
we
have
calibrated
based
on
the
scale
of
the
project.
Projects
of
100
units
or
more
would
require
three
different
types
of
open
space,
one
for
general
use,
teenagers
and
then
younger
children,
and
then
there
are
various
criteria
as
far
as
what
should
be
located
in
each
of
those
areas,
mostly
within
the
younger
children.
M
So
to
accompany
these
standards,
there
is
a
clarify
process
for
how
these
projects
would
be
reviewed.
A
residential
development
plan
development
permit
would
still
be
required
unless
the
project
is
otherwise
ministerial
by
state
law.
The
community
development
director
would
have
the
approval
authority
for
development
unless
there's
other
requirements
that
require
planning,
commission
or
city
council
review.
M
Just
for
example,
the
the
findings
have
been
clarified
for
so
modifications
to
these
objective
standards.
You
have
the
three
main
findings.
Basically,
the
modification,
while
not
consistent
with
the
specific
provision
of
the
code,
is
justified
by
its
intent
or
design
hardship
and
allows
reasonable
and
conforming
use.
That's
consistent
with
the
general
plan
goals
and
policies
and
the
underlying
zoning
district.
M
M
You
know
submitted
to
staff
staff
works
with
the
applicant
on
a
project
and
if,
in
the
case
it
exceeds
25
feet,
the
applicant
has
no
way
of
knowing
whether
they're
going
to
get
support
or
get
approval
until
they're,
actually
at
that
hearing.
So
that
really
kind
of
sets
the
stage
for
really
not
knowing
what
the
outcome
is
on
the
onset.
M
M
Currently,
building
height
must
mean
vertical
distance
from
the
grade
to
the
highest
point
of
the
coping
of
a
flat
roof
or
the
deck
line
of
a
mansard
roof,
or
to
the
average
height
of
the
highest
gable
of
a
pitch
or
hip
roof,
and
I
underlined
the
portion
which
has
has
been
debated
among
staff.
I
believe
in
applicants
and
and
the
implementation
of
this
definition
has
often
resulted
in
interpretation
and
possible
non-uniform
application
of
the
standard.
M
M
So
with
that
in
staff's
evaluation
and
the
municipal
code
amendment,
it's
consistent
with
the
general
plan
goal
of
develop
appropriate
tools
to
enable
development
in
an
efficient,
compatible
manner.
Also,
it's
consistent
with
general
plan
policy
described
to
provide
a
balanced
range
of
adequate
housing.
M
It's
also
consistent
with
city
council
goals,
c
operate
the
city,
government
and
physically
and
manageability
managerially,
responsible
and
prudent
manner
to
ensure
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
remains
one
of
the
california's
most
desirable
places
to
live.
Work
visit
recreate
and
raise
a
family
as
well
as
gold
j,
which
is
implement
high
quality,
revitalization
projects
and
support
long-term,
affordable
housing.
M
So
the
municipal
code,
amendment
in
front
of
you,
is
exempt
under
section
16,
I
mean
15061,
which
is
referred
to
as
the
common
sense
exemption.
You
know,
since
these
are
just
rules
to
be
applied
to
development
and
do
not
necessarily
create
development.
There
is
no
impact
on
the
environment
by
adopting
the
ordinance
projects
that
are.
M
So
with
that,
staff's
recommendation
is
to
find
that
the
municipal
code
amendment
is
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
sequa
pursuant
to
section
15061b3
and
also
approve
amendments
to
chapter
4,
title
9
of
the
thousand
oaks
municipal
code,
as
described
in
attachment
2
to
your
staff
report.
And
that
would
conclude
my
presentation.
G
K
Miss
finley,
a
wonderful
wonderful
option
here
for
the
city
to
move
down
an
avenue
to
make
it
more
efficient.
Last
year
I
did
four
focus
groups
of
developers,
builders,
trades
contractors,
architects
and
consumers
about
the
efficiencies
and
their
experience
with
our
building
planning
and
public
works
department,
common
comments
that
were
made
included
things
like
we're
able
to
do
in
three
years
in
florida.
K
What
takes
five
to
six
years
here
in
california
and
one
of
the
things
they
pointed
to
was
getting
off
the
ground
through
the
plan
check
and
approval
process,
because
city
staff
did
not
have
objective
standards
in
which
to
approve
a
project,
so
their
city
staff
was
always
looking
over
their
shoulder.
What
will
my
manager
say?
K
This
will
actually
get
it
through
quicker,
allowing
for
costs
to
go
down
because
every
second
every
minute,
every
day,
a
project's
delayed,
the
cost
of
the
project
goes
up
which
in
turn
is
passed
on
to
the
consumer,
and
this
would
actually
be
a
great
way
of
helping
address,
affordable
housing
by
making
it
more
affordable
through
the
efficiency
of
government.
Mr
holtz
miss
finley.
Would
you
please
comment
if
that
perception
is
correct?.
M
Certainly,
council,
member
mcnamee,
I
mean
yeah
the
whole
premise
behind
adopting
these
is
to
allow
the
application
of
these
standards
from
the
onset.
So
there
is
less
negotiation
through
the
review
process,
which
you
know
has
proven
timely.
You
know
adding
quite
a
bit
of
time
as
far
as
the
the
review
process,
you
know,
the
intent
behind
the
legislation
is
that
when
cities
apply
objective
standards,
you
get
rid
of
the
the
discussion
and
negotiation
that
may
occur
when
you're
applying
subjective
standards
and
guidance.
When
there
is
room.
K
K
I'm
delighted
to
see
we're
moving
more
towards
objective
standards.
I
have
observed
past
council
meetings
where
plants
would
come
forward
for
approval
to
council
and,
as
I
found
when
you
show
council
plans
for
what
wants
to
be
developed
to
five
council
members,
you
wind
up
with
15
20
different
opinions.
M
K
G
H
M
We
did
consult
with
a
representative
from
the
bia
and
I
basically
shared
the
framework
of
which
they
were
under,
and
the
types
of
standards
that
were
being
presented
and
basically
their
general
response,
was
that
having
clarity
up
front
is
of
the
utmost
importance.
You
know
whether
the
standard
is
x
or
y
wasn't
as
important
as
just
having
that
clarity
up
front
was
the
response
that
I
got,
but
also
in
generating
these
objective
standards.
M
Well,
we
had
the
I
mean
we
had
the
housing
element
programs,
so
I
was
part
of
the
housing
element.
They
were
identified
as
a
program,
so
this
is
actually
we're
bringing
forward
the
implementation
of
that
program
to
you
tonight
as
well
as
you
had
the
planning
commission
meeting,
and
there
were
a
variety
of
architects
that
were
interested.
However,
I
did
not
receive
any
kind
of
direct
feedback.
M
M
M
O
O
M
O
To
the
question
go
ahead:
yeah
up
until
now,
cul-de-sacs
and
fly
glass
and
the
like
were
considered
to
be
rather
desirable.
In
fact,
you
know
homes
for
sale
will
list
them
saying
on
a
cul-de-sac,
but
now,
based
on
this
objective
standards,
they're
seen
as
discretionary
and
subjective,
I
just
wondered
how
we
went
from
one
to
the
other.
M
Well,
I
would,
if
you
don't
mind
I,
I
would
kind
of
clarify
I
mean
the
cul-de-sacs
are
not
and
flag
lots
are
not
subjective,
but
the
the
design
approach
behind
them.
You
know
as
far
as
cul-de-sacs
go
they
lead
to
disconnected
communities
and
so
forth,
and
you
know
primarily
we're
going
to
be
seeing.
M
I
mean
most
of
these
objective
standards
are
geared
towards
multi-family
development,
and
so
what,
when
you're
doing
multi-family
development?
You
typically
want
that
to
be
connected
so
and
then,
in
terms
of
flag
lots,
I
mean
they.
They
they
create
situations
where
there
is
conflict
between
neighbors
and
the
experiences
that
when
I
consulted
other
staff
here,
so
you
know
both
of
those.
You
know
cul-de-sacs
also
kind
of
compound
traffic
issues
as
well.
M
M
M
M
M
And
again,
this
is
applied.
It's
written
to
apply
to
r3
and
rpd
zones,
rpd
zones
where
multi-family
is
allowed,
so
those
are
areas
that
are
in
that
the
high
density
residential
area,
so
r3
does
not
exist
in
a
medium
density.
Land
use
designation.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
r3
properties
out
there
and
with
the
preferred
land
use
map.
You
know
most
of
the
development
that
we're
going
to
be
seeing
is
going
to
be
in
a
mixed
use.
Land
use
category
there
hasn't.
There
was
not
a
substantial
increase
in
high
density,
residential
land
use
test.
N
O
Okay
and
finally,
I
remember
when
I
was
on
the
planning
commission,
which
was
a
long
time
ago.
The
word
compatible
came
up
a
lot
we
were
always
talking
about.
Is
it
compatible
with
an
existing
neighborhood
compatible
with
this
compatible
we're
not
going
to
be
using
that
term
compatible
anymore?
Are
we.
O
G
G
M
M
So
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
criteria
and
like,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
presentation,
I
mean
there's
a
maximum
building
length
of
200
feet,
but
then
facade
articulation
the
building
base.
The
first
story
must
be
distinguished
from
the
upper
stories
by
using
two
or
more
architectural
details
across
the
front
elevation
that
distinguish
it
from
the
upper
stories
and
then,
in
the
event
that
the
building
is
over
three
stories.
G
M
G
Very
good
second
question
I
have
has
to
do
with
the
height
and
before
I
get
to
that,
I
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
streamlining
our
permitting
process
and
giving
clear
expectations
is
sort
of
a
good
thing
in
this.
This
exercise
we're
doing
that's.
This
is
an
area
where
perhaps
our
our
needs
align
with
what
the
state
is
asking
asking
of
us
and
I'm
happy
to
to
do
that
with
them.
G
M
G
L
L
First,
the
adoption
of
objective
design
standards,
as
previously
acknowledged,
allows
property
owners
to
develop
their
property
with
clear
guidance
on
city
requirements
without
having
to
go
to
planning,
commission
or
city
council
for
individual
approval
on
a
project
by
project
basis.
This
allows
for
fair
and
equal
treatment
of
all
property
owners
who
wish
to
build
on
their
properties
without
special
treatment,
either
positive
or
negative.
L
Third,
our
city
is
aging
and
redevelopment
of
smaller
and
less
well-maintained
houses
is
likely.
I'm
eager
to
see
some
of
these
properties
redevelop
into
missing
middle
housing.
When
I
look
at
the
neighborhood
I
grew
up
in
in
santa
monica,
I
have
seen
small
houses
replaced
with
six
thousand
foot
square
foot
homes.
It
makes
walking
through
my
old
neighborhood,
like
walking
through
a
series
of
fortresses,
I'm
in
favor,
of
allowing
35
foot
height
for
multiple
family
housing
in
r3
and
rpd
zoning
areas
that
occur
throughout
the
city.
L
As
a
note,
my
home
is
owned.
Rpd
and
I'm
eager
to
see
this
in
my
neighborhood.
It
makes
the
development
of
missing
middle
housing
more
likely
in
my
daughter's
neighborhood
in
the
chicago
area.
Redevelopment
of
boulder
homes
has
been
quite
varied,
with
some
large
houses
being
built,
some
duplexes
some
taller
narrower
townhomes
and
some
remodels
of
the
original
smaller
homes.
This
type
of
neighborhood
makes
it
possible
for
people
of
different
incomes
and
stages
of
life
to
live
together.
L
The
neighborhood
maintains
its
walkability
neighbors
sit
on
their
front
porches
and
they
interact
with
each
other
on
the
street.
I
want
to
stress
to
council
that
it's
not
houses
that
make
a
neighborhood.
It
is
neighbors.
The
new
design
standards
are
focused
on
creating
neighborhoods
and
not
just
housing.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
P
Thank
you
everyone,
it's
good
to
see
you
tonight.
I
am
speaking
tonight
as
a
member
of
t.o
livability,
a
local
group,
pressing
city
leaders,
to
focus
their
attention
on
enhancing
the
livability
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
We
view
livability
through
the
lens
of
equity,
where
people's
identities
and
interests
are
embraced
and
where
diversity
is
celebrated.
P
P
Objective
design
standards
should
help
to
remove
obstacles
to
meeting
these
city
goals
for
homeownership
and
housing.
Focusing
on
appearance
is
not
sufficient.
The
standards
affect
the
cost
per
dwelling
unit
and
are
often
responsible
for
modest
housing
and
infill
housing,
not
penciling
out
tonight.
I'm
offering
just
a
few
examples,
but
I
want
to
make
clear
that
every
single
item
in
the
future
code
update
should
be
examined
through
the
lens
of
equity.
If
we
are
to
meet
our
goals,
flag
lots
have
their
place
in
maximizing
opportunities
for
infill
development.
P
P
Other
cities
have
detailed
codes
allowing
flag
lots
in
infill
housing
that
respect
the
interests
of
surrounding
properties,
while
also
allowing
homeowners
existing
homeowners
to
realize
the
equity
in
their
long-held
properties.
Height
standards
are
another
area.
I
attended
the
planning
commission
meeting
in
october,
where
this
item
was.
First
discussed
I'm
certainly
happy
to
see
staffs
attempt
to
provide
further
clarity,
as
there
was
certainly
confusion
expressed
by
the
commissioners.
P
Building
up
is
often
the
cost-efficient
option
and
restrictions
do
have
an
impact
on
projects
failing
to
pencil
out.
We
often
hear
from
council
and
staff
that
the
city
doesn't
build
housing,
that
there
is
little
that
can
be
done
to
make
developers
build
the
types
of
housing
that
the
council
has
identified
as
necessary
for
our
city
to
thrive.
P
Q
Good
evening
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
city
council,
my
name
is
jackson
piper.
I
live
in
unincorporated
newbury
park.
I
am
here
as
part
of
the
to
livability
group
as
well
as
a
member
of
ventura
county
yambi
and
the
kaneho
climate
coalition
as
a
urban
planner
and
planning
nerd.
I
want
to
say
that
I
am
very
excited
about
what
these
objective
design
standards
contain.
Q
I
think
that
staff
has
done
an
excellent
job
in
establishing
a
design
pattern,
language
for
the
r3
and
rpd
zones
to
espouse
what
the
city's
values
are.
That
being
said,
I
do
have
some
comments
and
questions
about
this.
First,
if,
if
it's
possible,
could
someone
on
staff
explain
to
me
how,
on
page
3,
the
plan
development
permit
is
considered
to
be
either
a
ministerial
review
or
is
is
considered
appropriate
under
projects
that
meet
these
standards?
Q
Second,
on
page
four,
this
is
in
the
planning
commission
review.
So
it
may
not
exactly
be
consistent
with
what
you
have
section.
Nine
dash
four
point:
two
two
zero
five
part
one:
it
talks
about
the
definition
of
streets
and
I
noticed
that
it
kind
of
focuses
on
automobile
lanes.
I'm
wondering
if
that
could
be
changed
to
vehicle
lanes
since
streets
do
serve
automobiles,
but
they
also
serve
other
vehicles
as
well.
Q
Q
I'm
wondering
what
the
objective
basis
is
for
only
allowing
40
of
the
footprint.
If
it's
about
you
know,
sunlight
being
put
at
risk
by
the
building
massing,
if
there's
some
other
reason
for
it
and
if
there's
any
possibility
that,
with
the
top
floor
stepped
back,
so
that
it's
not
really
visible
from
the
ground
level.
Q
Finally,
I
I
believe
ian
holt
went
over
this
before,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
if
design
standards
are
being
developed
for
the
city's
other
zones
beyond
just
the
r3
and
rpd
once
again,
this
is
an
excellent
set
of
design
standards
and
I'm
really
thrilled
with
where
it's
going.
I
urge
the
council
to
approve
it.
G
M
M
M
In
terms
of
the
question,
as
far
as
the
planned
development
permit,
the
plan
development
permits-
you
know
objective.
A
project
under
objective
standards
can
still
be
a
discretionary
action.
The
caveat
to
that
is
that,
unless
it's
allowed
under
sb
35
or
sb,
1390
or
ab1397,
you
know
where
ministerial
approval
of
projects
is
required
by
state
law.
M
In
terms
of
the
definitions
on
streets,
you
know
totally
noted
in
terms
of
the
the
reference
to
automobile
travel
lanes,
but
the
intent
behind
that
was
to
basically
be
streets,
inclusive
of
all
means
of
travel.
So
I
mean
that
would
be
an
easy
fix
if
the
council
felt
that
it
was
necessary
to
remove
the
term
automobile
and
replace
it
with
the
term
vehicular
travel
lanes.
M
O
Thank
you,
mayor
yeah.
That's
exactly
why
I
brought
up
fat
flag
lots
because
it
just
seems
to
me
in
my
experience
they
allow
for
more
housing.
You
know
my
mother
lives
on
a
flag
lot
over
in
village
homes
and
there's
four
houses
on
the
flag
lot
and
there's
probably
four
flag:
lots
on
the
street,
so
there's
16
homes
where,
if
you
just
build
along
the
sidewalk,
you
might
only
get
four.
M
F
O
F
O
M
Well,
you
know
the
existing
code
really
speaks
to
single-family
homes
and
town
homes.
Town
homes
are
kind
of
the
answer
to
that
medium
density
range
of
housing,
but
the
missing
middle
would
kind
of
fall
in
that
kind
of
same
density
range.
You
know
those
duplexes,
those
triplexes
and
then
other
kind
of
walk-up
type
of
apartment
complexes,
courtyards
or
the
bungalow
courts.
M
Those
would
fit
in
those
kind
of
medium
density
zone
areas.
You
know
within
the
ordinance
there
is
a
chart
of
how
they
are
applied
and
you
can
see
where
those
missing
middle
building
types
would
go.
They
would
go
in.
You
know
r2
zones,
r3
rpds
and
then
certain
parts
of
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
specific
plan,
most
of
those
missing
middle,
probably
and
there's
a
caveat
that
wouldn't
be
allowed
along
the
frontage
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
M
J
Well,
I
don't
know
how
patient
I've
been
anyway.
I
like
flying
watts
by
the
way,
I
think,
they're
kind,
of
neat
it's
a
little
hard
when
you
walk
door-to-door,
but
you
got
a
long
walk
to
get
to
to
get
to
a
front
door.
I
I'd
like
to
thank
the
people
who
spoke.
I
thought
they
had
excellent
comments.
Ms
vanzile
betsy
connolly
and
mr
piper,
and
I
wondered
I
I
thought
ian
mr
piper
had
some
specific.
M
J
M
J
If
you'd
excuse
a
historical
reference,
the
concept
of
rpd
was
invented
by
alex
fiores.
I
don't
know
if
that's
important,
but
that's
something
I
remember
anyway.
I
I
appreciate
in
your
good
work
that
was
a
lengthy
and
very
thorough
and
a
very
good
report.
So
thank
you
very
much.
If
it's
in
order,
I
would
like
to
move
the
item.
G
J
Well,
I'd
I'd
like
to
approve
it
as
ian
presented,
I'd
like
to
substitute
vehicular
for
automobile
and
with
the
idea
that
you
know
this
will
not
be
set
in
concrete.
If
there
are
a
few
future
things
that
we
need
to
do
to
tweak
it
a
little
bit,
I
think
we
can
do
that.
So
I
would
like
to
move
the
item
with
that
amendment.
G
M
If
I
may,
council,
member
and
just
to
re-clarify,
you
know
this
is
a
flag
lot.
Is
it's
a
standard,
the
prohibition
in
there?
However,
it
can
be
waived,
it
would
just
require
going
to
planning
commission,
and
actually
I
mean,
if
you're
doing
a
lot
split.
I
mean
unless
it's
under
sb9,
typically
there's
some
level
of
hearing
associated
with
it.
So
there
is
the
ability
to
you
know,
ask
for
a
modification
to
allow
a
flag
law.
So
there
is
an
administrative
remedy
available
to
those
who
wish
to
seek.
J
B
G
B
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8b
extension
of
urgency,
ordinance
prohibiting
processing
of
self
storage
applications.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
Seven
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
four
minutes.
R
You
may
recall
that
in
january,
25
council
adopted
at
a
5-0
vote
the
interim
urgency
ordinance.
This
urgency
ordinance
put
a
moratorium
on
new
applications
for
south
storage
facilities.
It
is
effective
for
45
days
under
government
code,
section
65858
and
it's
it
is
only
effective
for
45
days
unless
extended
at
a
public
hearing.
R
A
section
65858
subdivision
a
also
requires
a
forfeit
vote
for
a
motion
to
such
an
interim
ordinance
and
even
for
the
extension
of
the
ordinance,
the
initial
ordinance
as
noted
was
effective
for
45
days,
so
it
would
expire
on
march
11
unless
extended
again
it
can
be
extended
the
first
time
for
one
one
period
of
10
months
and
15
days
and
then
a
second
time
if
authorized
for
a
total
of
two
for
one
year
for
a
total
of
two
years.
This
will
be
the
first
extension
and,
of
course,
under
government
code
session
65858.
R
So,
in
the
last
few
weeks
after
january,
25
staff
started
to
evaluate
the
existing
processes
and
development
standards.
Such
things
as
parking
and
building
height.
Things
of
that
nature
city
also
engaged
csg
consultants
to
assist
in
the
research
and
analysis,
including
what
other
jurisdictions
might
be
doing
regarding
self-storage
facilities.
R
R
So,
similarly,
to
what
we
did
on
january
25,
there
are
a
number
of
findings
that
we
need
to
make
and
that
our
existence
for
this
request
to
extend
this
ordinance
one.
We
still
have
a
current
and
immediate
threat
to
the
public
health
safety
and
welfare,
thus
requiring
the
urgency
ordinance
and
it's
necessary
to
for
the
status
to
keep
the
status
quo
or
to
preserve
the
current
position
that
we
have
on
on
self
storage
facilities.
R
R
Also,
we
are
requesting
the
extension
to
do
more
research
to
do
more
analysis
before
we
permit
permit
additional
self-storage
facilities
in
thousand
oaks.
We
want
to
do
this
and
put
a
status
for
moratorium
in
effect
at
this
time,
so
we
can
evaluate
the
near-term
and
long-term
impacts
of
utilizing
valuable
commercial
and
industrial
land
without
making
sure
we
have
specific
findings.
Specific
findings
for
self-storage
facilities,
including
standards,
findings,
that
we
need
to
meet
and
processes
for
such
uses.
R
So,
in
your
packet
and
the
staff
report,
there
are
four
recommendations:
they
include
extending
the
urgency
ordinance
with
the
ordinance
based
on
the
findings
set
forth
in
the
report.
The
proposed
ordinance
and
the
hearing
there's
also
the
initiation
of
the
municipal
code
amendment
to
consider
changes
to
the
procedural
and
development
standards
related
to
self-storage
facilities.
G
R
So
we
have
this
question.
This
is
not
a
buy
right
project
for
any
of
these
locations.
The
two
that
we
had
the
examples
for
were
the
one
that
was
presented
last
week,
which
was
a
last
time,
was
the
focus
of
the
the
discussion
mainly
was
at
230
000
square
foot
facility.
Again,
it's
not
by
right.
It's
something
that
we
have
to
be
evaluated,
so
we
do
have
discretion
and
sometimes
the
cases
for
example.
J
R
Well,
you
have
to
turn
down
based
on
findings
that
make
sense
right.
You
cannot
just
turn
it
down,
because
you
want
to
turn
it
down.
You
have
to
have
findings
to
to
to
happen,
to
create
the
reasons
why
you
would
turn
it
down.
You
don't
just
turn
it
down,
because
you
want
to.
You
have
to
create
the
findings
for
that,
so
the
fact
that
it
could
be
approved
in
a
zone
again,
it's
it's
something
that
we
thought,
because
it
that
is
something
that
usually
can
happen
in
the
zone.
R
P
We
need
to
do
that
because
of
the
way
that
the
standards
are
written,
both
the
location
standards
and
the
design
components
of
those
standards
have
not
been
evaluated
in
such
a
long
time.
So
in
answer,
the
long
story
of
your
question
is,
if
they
do
apply
for
it
and
they
meet
those
development
standards.
Although
we
do
have
some
discretion,
it
is
very
difficult
to
say
now.
R
So
so
the
this
first
extension
under
the
code
would
be
10
months
and
15
days.
Of
course,
if
we
bring
back
an
awareness
before
that
time
and
and
those
changes
are
amended
or
adopted,
then
you
could
take
action
at
that
point.
So
right
now
we're
asking
for
the
extension,
pursuant
to
the
code
section
65858
for
10
months
and
15
days.
G
A
S
For
over
30
years,
we
have
provided
high
quality,
comprehensive
free
psychosocial
services
to
the
thousand
oaks
and
canao
valley
community.
Monica
merriman,
our
executive
director
will
shortly
in
her
presentation,
give
some
more
specific
information
about
the
services
and
the
value
those
services
that
patients
our
participants
report
receiving
from
our
services.
S
S
We
are
requesting
that
you
approve
our
sale
of
the
530
hampshire
road
property
as
soon
as
possible,
so
we
can
continue
to
fully
serve
all
of
our
cancer
patients
and
all
of
their
community
cancer
care
providers
who
make
up
our
cancer
care
delivery
system
in
the
thousand
oaks
canal
valley
area.
I
thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
this
request.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
honorable,
members
of
the
city
council.
My
name
is
arthur
pfefferman,
I'm
a
resident
of
west
lake
village
for
over
20
years.
I
live
approximately
six
minutes
from
the
530
hampshire
road,
I'm
with
caldwell
banker,
commercial
property,
and
we
are
co-brokering
the
listing
for
the
sale
of
the
property
being
discussed.
A
We
have
actively
marketed
the
property
for
approximately
two
years
ago.
Activity
and
interest
in
the
location
was
as
expected,
offers
have
been
made
for
multi-family,
neighbors,
retail
and
storage.
We
thought
residential
and
mixed
use
would
be
an
option,
but
the
city
council
removed
the
proposed
mixed
use:
load
designation
for
the
townsgate
corridor
in
may
of
2021..
A
We
have
a
fair
price
now
that
will
assist
cancer
support
in
reaching
their
goals.
We
respectfully
request
that
this
hard-working
council
reconsider
the
action
taken
with
with
regard
to
the
moratorium,
as
it
relates
to
the
530,
hampshire,
road
and
authorize.
The
request
for
the
storage
facility
continue
working
through
the
process
but
exempt
from
the
moratorium.
A
A
They're
honorable
members
of
the
city,
council
residents,
community
leaders
and
others
involved
in
this
important
discussion-
I
thank
you.
My
name
is
bruce
frasco.
I've
been
a
resident
of
west
lake
village
for
about
five
years.
I
live
approximately
10
minutes
from
the
property
at
530
hampshire
I
own
larimar
equities
and
I've
co-listed
this
property
with
coldwell
banker
and
art
fafferman.
A
A
The
15
self,
the
15
self
storage
units
presently
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
are
all
operating
at
95
percent
capacity
or
greater.
The
average
typical
rental
unit
in
the
storage
facility
is
10
by
10
and
cost
about
250
to
275
per
month.
Affordability
is
important
as
all
the
new
developments
of
apartment
projects
in
the
city
are
calling
for
unit
sizes
that
are
probably
six
to
seven
hundred
square
feet,
leaving
little
or
no
available
storage
space
for
personal
belongings.
A
We
think
that
the
neighboring
apartment
buildings,
plus
new
projects,
will
benefit
from
the
development
of
the
self-storage
project
and
we
are
asking
the
council
to
provide
an
exemption
to
the
emergency
moratorium,
which
will
allow
cancer
support
to
continue
the
good
work
that
it's
done
for
the
last
30
years.
We're
also
hoping
that
you
can
concur
with
this
discussion
and
allow
us
the
exemption.
L
All
of
our
support
groups
are
led
by
a
licensed
mental
health,
professional,
delivering
the
very
highest
quality
of
care.
Our
services
are
provided
at
no
cost
to
our
participants.
We
are
supported
mostly
by
local
foundations,
corporations
and
individual
donors,
many
of
whom
actually
received
services
during
their
cancer
journey.
L
L
L
We
respectfully
request
an
exemption
from
the
self-storage
moratorium,
which
directly
impacts
the
current
sale
of
our
building.
Our
aging
facility
has
become
a
major
financial
burden.
This
cost
greatly
threatens
our
ability
to
continue
to
provide
the
free
services
needed
by
our
community
members
and
the
long-term
financial
stability
of
our
organization.
L
L
L
Please
note
that
the
contemplated
moratorium
of
10
and
a
half
months
and
possibly
even
longer,
has
a
significant
detrimental
impact
to
both
those
fronts.
Our
current
facility
has
become
a
financial
burden
with
much
needed
refurbishment
and
maintenance
costs,
both
in
the
short
term
and
in
the
long
term.
Our
goal
is
to
relocate
to
a
nearby
more
affordable
office
that
better
suits
the
needs
of
the
people
that
we
serve
and
allows
us
to
better
manage
our
operational
costs.
L
It
is
important
also
to
point
out
that
the
safety
of
our
participants
is
our
number
one
priority
and
since
many
of
our
participants
are
immunocompromised,
we
take
this
matter
very
seriously.
Given
the
importance
of
what
we
do,
we
have
maintained
our
commitment
and
our
cause
to
be
active.
Even
during
the
pandemic
era
era,
in
2021
alone,
we
offered
over
900
support
sessions
and
more
than
7
500
visits
to
these
programs.
L
G
S
S
S
We
knew
where
we
could
go
to
get
help
and
support.
When
I
was
diagnosed
with
cancer
as
you've
heard,
the
cancer
support
committee
helps
support
people
in
the
community
who
are
fighting
cancer,
improve
their
quality
of
life
and
live
longer
and
thrive.
We
believe
that
no
one
should
have
to
face
cancer
alone.
S
Of
course,
my
family
and
friends
were
very
supportive
but
attending
a
support
group
prepared
me
to
discuss
issues
with
my
doctors
to
better
understand
my
treatments,
scans,
etc
and
created
a
group
of
friends
who
could
discuss
that?
A
few
years
later,
I
asked
to
be
trained
as
a
facilitator,
so
I
could
help
others
affected
by
cancer.
S
S
S
S
We're
a
special
charity
we're
a
special
asset
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
we're
asking
for
special
consideration
for
the
sale
of
our
property
by
modifying
the
self-storage
moratorium
to
grandfather.
The
only
active
proposal
being
considered
by
the
city
that
that
modification
modification
will
help
us
continue.
Our
sale
ensure
the
long-term
viability
of
the
cancer
support
community.
Thank.
Q
G
R
R
Whatever
it's
going
to
be,
I
I
think
it's
important
to
go
back
to
how
we
discussed
in
in
january,
these
various
issues
and
the
fact
that
certainly
the
city
council
has
an
ability
to
exempt
the
this
project
and
if
they
did,
they
would
have
to
exempt
the
other
project
as
well,
and
they
made
that
decision
last
last
meeting
not
to
exempt
it.
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
would
be
concerned
about
that
is
these
were
not
applications.
These
were
pre-apps.
R
At
the
january
25
meeting,
you
requested
staff
to
refund
the
application
fees
that
were
submitted
in
and
to
my
understanding,
mr
parker's
online.
He
can
confirm
that,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
those
application
fees
were
refunded
to
the
application,
the
pre-app
individuals
who
were
requesting
a
review
of
these
concepts
but
again
city.
The
staff
is
urging
the
city
council
to
continue
to
extend
this
moratorium
up
to
the
year.
R
In
addition,
the
fact
that
there
are
no
formal
applications
for
this
particular
process,
this
would
have
been
a
sup
application
if
it
was
formally
filed
and,
as
you
all
know,
with
the
sup
application.
There
is
that
fifth
element
that
you
need
to
meet,
which
is:
is
it
compatible
with
the
area
due
to
the
residency
that's
near
there?
So
again,
even
without
it,
without
a
formal
application,
it's
very
difficult
to
even
analyze
or
speculate.
R
What
would
happen
with
the
project
as
far
as
how
it
would
be
presented
and
staff's
position
on
it,
because
we
don't
have
that
formal
application,
but
it
is
something
that
would
have
gone
a
planning
commission.
We
are
near
residency,
that's
why
we
would
have
that
so
to
speculate
on
what
would
have
happened
if
this
thing
was
formally
brought
to
us
is
difficult
to
say
at
this
time.
R
In
your
2
30
pm
supplement
packet
that
was
presented
today.
There
is
a
letter
from
the
cancer
facility
board
member
and
a
response
from
planning,
commissioner
planning
manager,
steve
kearns,
and
then
his
response,
mr
kern,
to
outline
the
factors
that
I
just
mentioned
that
were
mentioned
tonight
in
the
presentation
and
that
staff
was
not
supporting
the
pre-application
request
at
the
time.
R
Finally,
there
are
other
permitted
uses
that
are
permitted
in
the
zone
that
would
not
be
affected
by
the
proposed
urgency
ordinance.
So
with
those,
it
is
important
note
that
there
was
no
application
for
this
site,
just
like
the
other
site
as
well.
Certainly,
city
council
has
the
authority
to
exempt
these
products.
If
you
exempt
this
one,
my
recommendation
would
be
that
you
exempt
the
other
one
as
well,
that
the
other
one
was
230
000
square
feet
and
this
one's
a
little
smaller
than
that.
R
But
again,
staff
does
not
take
an
urgency
order
slightly.
We
do
not
present
this
every
year
or
every
month.
Even
we
are
doing
this
because
we
think
it
is
important
to
put
a
stop
or
hold
for
a
year
to
ensure
that
we
can
create
standards
that
are
appropriate
for
this
type
of
use
and
to
ensure
that
we
are
again
serving
our
community
well
with
with
these
applications
once
they
come
back
in
and
again,
we
are
focused
on
doing
this
within
the
year.
K
Thank
you
mayor.
My
my
observation
is
the
following
again,
this
is
a
example
of
where
city
staff
city
managers
want
to
get
it
right,
and
then
situation
has
appeared
that
too
much
storage
is
coming
into
the
city
and
we
better
establish
some
standards.
So
that
way,
anyone
coming
in
the
future
has
a
better
idea
as
to
what
we
want
in
the
city
easily
said
for
city,
council,
city
managers
and
city
staff,
but
this
is
a
good
example
of
the
financial
repercussions
on
the
other
side
of
the
resident
consumer
commercial
builder
developer.
K
So
they
know
if
they
can
move
forward
on
this
and
what
needs
to
happen.
They've
already
spent
quite
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
this,
which
is
the
question
I
asked
last
time
as
to
what
about
the
ones
that
are
in
the
pipelines
or
may
not
even
applied.
They've
spent
a
lot
of
money
if
it
was
coming
out
of
city
council's
personal
accounts,
city
managers
or
city
staffs,
personal
bank
accounts.
K
E
I'm
going
to
let
community
development
director
colin
parker
speak
to
him,
but
I
just
a
couple
of
points
and
observations
off
the
top.
You
know
first
and
foremost-
and
I
mentioned
it
briefly
in
our
previous
discussion
on
this
matter.
This
is
one
of
those
classic
unfortunate
examples
of
when
you
have
a
general
plan
that
has
been
in
place
to
the
extent
that
ours
has
been
in,
and
so
this
particular
type
of
effort
is
one
of
those
things
that's
coming
in
conflict
with
the
timing
around
that
general
plan.
E
But
then
you
have
major
substantial
changes
like
this
to
the
urban
footprint
that
are
happening
in
areas
that
are
complementary
for
change.
So
it
is
that
in
and
of
itself
is
a
challenge.
Speaking
to
the
time
I
don't
have
kelvins
into
the
specifics,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
message
of
emergency
was
delivered
the
day
after
council's
action
and
that's
why
we
went
and
and
brought
on
support
to
do
that,
so
that
this
didn't
get
burdened
with
any
other
priority.
E
A
A
A
K
Mr
mr
power
and
mr
parker,
I
understand
your
your
position
and
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
with
the
financial
straights
that
this
is
putting
applicants
in
so
it
doesn't
feel
good.
I
understand
the
situation
and
how
they
all
converge
and
I
just
yield
back
to
mayor
engler.
Thank
you
very
much
for
answering
the
question.
O
O
However,
the
issue
tonight
before
us
isn't
supporting
cancer
patients,
it's
self
storage
facilities
of
which
we
have
15
in
the
city
over
one
point
million
square
feet
of
storage
space.
I
think
it's
the
highest
of
just
about
any
city
in
ventura
county
and
mr
here
made
a
good
point
that
hadn't
even
occurred
to
me.
If
we
granted
the
exemption
for
your
group,
we
would
be
obligated
to
grant
the
exemption
for
the
other
group
who
want
to
put
in
a
230
000
square
foot
facility,
which
is
equal
to
five
football
fields.
O
I'm
sure
you're
aware
that,
right
across
the
street,
from
your
building,
there's
a
there's,
an
old,
abandoned,
kmart
and
there's
a
project
in
front
of
us
for
that
kmart
site
that
we'll
be
hearing
in
the
next
few
months
actually
and
if
it
were
to
pass
my
suspicion
is
that
your
property
value
would
go
up
immeasurably
in
response
to
that.
Well,
maybe
not
the
worst.
Maybe
that's
not
the
right
word
immeasurably,
but
it
would
go
up.
G
O
J
J
R
R
We
would
have
to
keep
treat
them
equally
for
those
two.
These
two
pre-applications
is
the
same
situation.
Both
of
them
were
pre-apps
again.
Both
of
them
had
been
refunded
their
money,
but
both
of
them
were
pre-apps
and
were
presented
for
this.
That
have
been
been
impacted
by
this
inter-emergency
ordinance.
J
A
A
J
Well,
just
one
final
comment:
it
seems
to
me
the
basis
of
all
this
is.
We
think,
we're
getting
overrun
with
self-storage
properties
that
we,
you
know
it's
like
it's
spreading
like
some
disease
or
something-
and
the
point
of
this
is-
is
to
put
a
stop
to
that.
But
if
we
come
back
with
standards
that
people
can
meet,
can
they
go
ahead
and
build
more
of
these.
R
J
P
And
if
I
can
add
to
that,
there's
a
difference
between
a
development
permit
and
a
special
use
permit
with
respect
to
a
special
use
permit,
which
this
one
is
subject
to.
There
is
much
more
discretion
that
would
be
afforded
by
the
to
the
to
the
decision
maker,
whatever
that
decision
maker,
whoever
that
decision
maker
is
so
you
know,
staff
has
to
evaluate
what
type
of
development
standards
the
location
for
these
types
of
uses
and
what
type
of
permit
process
these
types
of
uses
would
have
to
go
through,
depending
on
location,
etc.
J
O
O
Maybe
we
would
decide
they
could
only
be
in
an
industrial
area?
Maybe
we
would
decide
that
you
know
in
a
prominent
prominent
location
like
the
one
we're
talking
about
tonight
right
across
right
across
the
street,
from
our
chamber
of
commerce
and
from
a
mixed-use
development.
Maybe
that's
not
the
best
location
but
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
with
that,
would
you
think
that
might
be
one
of
the
most
prominent
things?
We
would
look
at
location.
A
O
G
E
K
Thank
you.
I
do
have
a
question
for
I
don't
know
if
it's,
mr
frasco
or
dr
wolcott,
how
long
can
you
survive
without
the
sale
of
the
property
assuming
it
goes
through
with
a
special
use
permit
and
so
forth?
What's
your
financial
stability
looking
like,
could
you
please
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
your
situation.
G
S
I
would
say
that,
even
if
our
ability
to
sell
the
property
was
delayed
by
as
much
as
six
to
nine
months,
we
would
be
in
very
significant
financial
problems,
and
let
me
just
make
one
additional
comment.
I
spent
much
of
my
life
as
I
alluded
to
helping
develop
hospital
cancer
programs,
psychosocial
services
around
the
country
and
in
many
of
those
communities.
S
Patients
do
not
have
access
from
their
cancer
care
providers
for
social
workers,
psychologists,
psychiatrists
pain
management,
spiritual
care,
rehabilitation,
the
wide
variety
of
services
that
we
provide,
the
reality
of
the
history
of
cancer
support
communities
is,
they
do
go
under.
They
do
collapse
and
they
no
longer
in
many
cases,
are
continuing
community
resources
and
the
reason
we're
here
and
speaking
so
passionately
is
we're
very
concerned
about
the
future
of
our
organization.
K
H
H
O
O
However,
I
I
have
to
look
at
what's
best
for
the
entire
city
and
the
highest
and
best
use
of
property,
and
how
do
you
have
such
a
prominent
piece
of
property
there
that?
I
really
think
we
need
to
look
at
self
storage.
Self
storage
facility
makes
sense
there.
So
you
know
I
will
move
that
we
extend
the
moratorium.
I
think
that's
the
issue
here.
I
think
staff
can
get
it
done
as
expeditiously
as
possible.
O
K
Thank
you,
councilman
adams,
sort
of
superseded
my
motion,
but
I
wanted
to
just
reiterate
to
city
staff
managers
and
so
forth
how
much
of
an
impact,
the
speed
and
accuracy
and
efficiency
we
do
at
city
government
really
makes
a
difference
on
the
organizations
that
exist
in
our
community.
The
business
owners,
the
employees,
the
residents,
because
this
is
a
prime
example
where
this
organization
may
go
under
if
the
moratorium
continues
and
they
provide
such
valuable
services,
the
cancer
community
that
we
have
in
thousand
oaks.
K
So
it's
again
a
bittersweet
situation
here,
glad
we're
going
back
to
look
at
making
the
standards
more
of
what
we
want
here
in
thousand
oaks
bitter,
because
it's
going
to
impact
in
a
big
way.
People
have
been
in
the
pipeline
to
put
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
process
and
now
have
to
put
it
on
hold
hoping
they
can
call
their
way
back
and
if
they
do
qualify
for
a
storage
facility
in
the
location
they
want
to
put
it.
So
I'm
going
to
wait
until
the
votes
happen
and
reserve
at
that
time.
G
My
only
comment
is
sort
of
unique
in
of
all
my
colleagues
that
I
actually
have
volunteered
at
the
cancer
support
and
the
service
that
is
provided.
There
is
second
to
none,
but,
along
with
council
member
adam,
I'm
wearing
a
different
hat
today
I
have
to
look
at
what
is
the
is
the
criteria
we're
going
to
use
for
a
storage
facility
anywhere
in
the
city
much
less
at
that
corner,
but
I
I
don't
think
we
have
the
proper
information
yet
on
how
to
use
that
property
as
a
storage
unit
or
anything
else.
G
I
would
also
like
to
echo
councilmember
mcnamee's
and
councilmember
adam's,
urging
that
we
get
to
this
as
quickly
as
possible,
so
that
there's
some
certainty
for
council,
the
council
support
and
for
the
property
owner,
and
that's
that's
very
important
to
me
as
well.
So
with
that,
I
think
we
do
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
and
I
see
council
member
jones
has
now
asked
for
the
floor.
Go
ahead,
mr
jones.
J
D
G
B
And
that
motion
carries
5-0
and
I
do
have
an
ordinance
title
to
read
into
the
record
interim
urgency
ordinance
extending
ordinance
number
1696
ns,
which
declared
a
temporary
moratorium
on
the
approval
or
issuance
of
any
permit
license
or
entitlement
relating
to
applications
for
self
storage
facilities.
That's
ordinance
number
1697ns.
G
O
G
P
F
F
G
H
Thank
you,
mayor,
engler,
really
appreciate
the
time.
I
know
it's
a
little
late,
nine
o'clock
and
a
lot
of
speakers
apparently
I'm
sure
several
of
them
will
not
be
in
favor,
but
I'm
glad
to
have
this
opportunity
this
evening
to
do
something
that
should
have
been
done
over
a
year
ago
and
if
anything,
this
is
going
to
be
a
launch
pad
for
a
discussion
that
will
be
uncomfortable,
but
it
is
necessary.
H
H
H
H
We
had
vandalism
of
black
lives
matter
signs
on
westlake
boulevard,
we've
had
hitler
speeches
airing
over
the
pa
system
at
a
local
high
school
and
last
june.
During
a
juneteenth
celebration
at
the
civic
arts
plaza
courtyard,
the
grass
there
were
hundreds
of
racist,
fake
dollar
bills
spread
on
the
grass
and
a
couple
of
other
incidents
as
well
throughout
the
years.
H
H
Incidents
against
asians
grew
actually
77
percent.
Since
2019,
we
have
the
anti-defamation
league,
also
reporting,
2100,
anti-semitic
incidents
throughout
the
us,
and
in
fact,
last
july
it
was
reported
to
the
adl
that
a
woman
had
found
a
note
on
her
car,
which
read
jewish
lives.
Don't
matter,
and
this
appeared
to
be
in
response
to
a
black
lives
matter,
sign
that
she
had
her
at
her
door.
H
H
I
know
I
when
I
first
introduced
this
and
mentioned
it
to
to
a
staff
and
others
I
was
advised
not
to
do
it
only
because
I
would
turn
into
a
human
pinata
attacked
by
everyone.
This
wouldn't
be
healthy
and
it's
true
all
that
came
true,
I'm
accused
of
being
on
opportunist
because
I'm
running
for
office
and
so
forth.
H
But
to
those
who
question
my
motives,
I
ask:
when
is
a
good
time
to
stand
up
against
white
supremacy,
whether
it's
an
election
year
or
not?
I,
as
an
elected
representative
of
the
people,
have
an
obligation
to
act.
It
doesn't
matter
exactly
if
it's
an
election
year
or
not.
I'm
not
going
to
not
do
my
duty
anymore,
because
I
happen
to
run
for
office.
My
job
ends
at
the
end
of
this
year
and
I
will
continue
to
do
my
job.
H
So
in
putting
this
together,
I
decided
not
to
go
along
to
get
along
and
it
is
time
that
we
as
a
city
really
send
a
message
that
a
thousand
oaks
which
is
revered
and
looked
at
upon
and
we
have
a
thriving
economy
and
so
forth.
We
we
owe
it
to
to
those
businesses
and
residents
to
make
sure
that
we
are
welcoming
of
everyone,
and
we
have
taken
steps
to
do
that.
Last
year
we
adopted
the
number
one
goal
of
about
inclusivity
and
so
forth.
H
In
fact,
city
staff
is
also
and
has
been
doing,
training
through
its
I
evolved
dei
program,
so
some
of
the
things
that
were
called
for
last
year,
such
as
efforts
to
create
diversity
and
anti-racist
education,
training
and
city
offices
that
is
already
being
done
and
also
continuing
investment
with
existing
community
programs
and
development
of
additional
programs
that
need
to
be
recognized.
That
is
something
that
we
still
need
to
do,
but
what
is
already
underway
is
the
areas
of
housing,
safety,
all
types
of
health
and
planning
and
improving
growth
and
policy
through
our
general
plan
update.
H
H
So
really
I
I
know
that
this
is
perceived
as
perhaps
not
doing
enough,
and
that
is
why
earlier
today
I
did
have
more
discussion
with
staff
and
we
have
an
avenue
really
of
bringing
together
a
group
of
stakeholders
and
call
it
a
round
table
of
sorts.
A
di
round
table
that
that
would
be
run
through,
for
example,
it
was
mentioned,
melissa
ortado,
she
could
be
the
and
she
is
the
community
liaison
as
a
matter
of
fact.
H
So
that
is
something
that
I
would
encourage,
that
the
council
do
and-
and
I
want
to
ask
the
the
city
attorney
whether
this
is
something
where
we
need
to
take
a
formal
vote
at
the
next
council
meeting,
or
is
that
something
that
staff
can
do
to
be
to
have
mrs
furtado,
as
a
community
liaison
to
start
a
roundtable
discussion
about
hearing
our
residents,
our
residents
of
color?
And
what
can
be
done
so
really
this?
H
That's
going
to
take
some
time,
and
that
is
why
we
need
input
and
that's
why
we
need
to
sit
down
as
soon
as
we
can
hold
a
round
table
discussion
regularly
and
move
forward
with
many
examples
that
have
been
sent
to
the
city
by
various
committee
members
from
policy
guidelines
from
the
national
league
of
cities,
for
example,
and
and
other
areas
again.
This
is
a
discussion
that
probably
should
have
been
had
earlier
sooner,
but
I
I
am
no
longer
willing
to
to
just
stand
by
and
not
say
anything
about
this.
H
H
G
K
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
I
have
a
question.
Perhaps
it's
best
answered
by
city
attorney
because
as
I've
learned
being
on
council
for
a
short
time,
there's
a
process
by
which
things
are
put
through
here
in
the
city
council
and
put
into
action,
and
that
process
is
there.
K
E
E
P
Thanks
drew
so
yes,
as
mr
powers
mentioned,
we
do
have
various
codes
on
how
city
council
agendas
are
created.
Our
codes
that
support
that
the
city
manager
works
with
the
city
clerk
to
set
the
agenda
our
past
practice,
for
at
least
you
know
the
past
15
years
that
I
have
been
around
the
city
manager,
I'm
sorry,
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
worked
together
to
put
matters
on
the
agenda.
P
There
is
a
policy
that
was
adopted
years
ago
by
the
city
council
that,
to
my
knowledge,
has
not
been
utilized
in
this
manner
to
put
agenda
matters
on
to
put
items
on
the
agenda
by
individually
by
a
council
member,
but
in
the
last
again
15
years
that
I've
been
here.
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
Having
occurred
here.
K
Come
back
to
the
second
part
of
my
question
is:
has
this
gone
through
legal
review
because
I
I
don't
claim
to
be
an
attorney?
Nor
do
I
play
one
on
tv,
but
I
read
through
this
and
I'm
seeing
some
major
issues
just
from
my
naivete
here
of
legal
practice
that
you've
got
some
issues
going
on
here.
That
may
make
put
the
city
at
risk.
Am
I
am
I
correct
in
that
that
it
needs
some?
Have
you
done
a
legal
review
on
this.
P
So
again,
because
of
the
manner
that
it's
brought,
this
is
not
a
this
is
not
a
staff
driven.
Let
me
just
be
really,
you
know
really
clear
here.
This
is
a
city
council
policy
issue.
It
is
not
something
that
the
city
staff
has
brought
forward
when
it
is
a
policy
matter.
You
know
the
deference
goes
to
the
city
council.
You
know,
staff
does
not
make
policy,
we
implement
policy
based
on
the
policies
and
mandates
that
are
adopted
by
the
city
council.
So
in
this
case
you
know
it
has
not.
P
K
K
P
So
the
resolution
itself,
based
on
my
review
of
it
is,
is
more
of
a
public
denouncement
of
hate
speech.
In
case
you
are
not
aware.
Hate
speech
is
protected
speech
under
the
first
amendment.
The
government
cannot
control
content
of
speech,
so
every
person
has
the
right
to
express
their
opinions
and
that's
the
first
amendment
in
a
nutshell.
So
you
cannot
be.
P
K
K
Okay,
so
there's
basically
no
action
other
than
we
as
a
council
will
vote
whether
we
like
or
dislike
what
was
being
said
is
there
a
way
of
which
you
can
delineate,
because
I've
heard
of
other
people
say
things
that
I
would
find
uncomfortable
and
consider
hate
speech,
but
others
may
not.
How
do
we
delineate
that.
P
Well,
that's
that's.
I
mean
that's
what
the
first
amendment
is
about
again.
The
the
the
the
basis
for
the
first
amendment
is
that
the
government
cannot
regulate
the
content
of
speech,
so
freedom
of
expression
includes
the
freedom
to
not
express
anything
and
the
freedom
to
express
thoughts
and
opinions
that
are
repugnant
at
times
and
disgusting
at
times
and
that
are
not
popular
at
times.
That's
what
the
first
amendment
is
is
therefore.
K
D
K
Well,
just
just
give
me
some
background
from
a
law
enforcement
standpoint
as
to
who
these
people
are.
I
mean
I
I've
never
seen
this
before
in
our
city
for
the
25
years,
my
wife
and
I
have
lived
here.
We
find
it
very
welcoming
and
wonderful
people
that
live
here
and
yet
other
council
members
are
saying
that
oh,
this
is
becoming
more
rampant
in
our
city.
K
D
D
D
G
G
H
Just
wanted
to,
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
I
did
have
a
discussion
or
meeting
with
with
staff
in
which
legal
city
attorney's
office
did
review
the
resolution
and
made
some
suggestions
and
changes
which
I
made
to
the
resolution
and
that
those
were
made
when
I
believe
last
wednesday
or
thursday
morning.
Thank
you.
G
Very
good:
let's
go
to
our
public
speakers,
then
we
do
have
a
number
of
public
speakers
and
we'll
be
going
with
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
person
because
we're
at
50
people
now.
So,
if
you
can,
please
limit
your
comments
to
two
minutes
and
if
you
know
we
will
get
everybody
to
the
ability
to
speak
as
quickly
as
we
can
so
our
first
speaker
up
is
desta
and
I'm
going
to
pronounce
your
last
name.
I'm
sorry
garner.
C
C
C
There
has
to
be
action
that
follows
our
community
and
outsiders
need
to
hear
they
will
not
be
welcome
here
to
drop
their
banners
and
to
bring
this
hate
into
our
community
so
tell
them
that
we
need
to
create
a
safe
community,
our
black
and
indigenous
and
colleagues
and
neighbors
of
of
color
and
culture.
They
deserve
to
not
only
think
that
they
should
be
safe,
they
should
be
safe,
they
shouldn't
be
running
around
doing
their
errands
on
the
weekends,
seeing
these
banners
drop.
C
C
We
need
to
be
beyond
welcoming.
We
need
to
be
safe.
We
need
to
help
take
care
of
our
neighbors
basic
safety.
You
don't
have
to
do
this
work
alone.
I
heard
councilwoman
speak
about
this
round.
Table
access,
people
in
the
community,
cal
lutheran,
interfaith
association,
local
clergy
and
faith
leaders,
access
people
to
help
you
do
this
work,
not
just
pass
a
resolution.
C
G
G
D
Thank
you.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
a
technological
genius,
but
I
am
here
tonight
as
a
resident
of
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
since
1972,
and
also
I
am
speaking
as
a
representative
for
the
american
association
of
university
women,
your
youth
city
council,
members
and
mayor
have
received
our
letter
and
I
wish
rich
to
read
part
of
it
aloud
tonight.
D
D
D
D
D
D
I
D
D
F
It
is
the
obligation
of
the
leaders
of
our
community
to
speak
out
and
speak
out
strongly
against
that.
I'd
like
to
read
you
a
quote
from
ellie
bessel,
a
holocaust
survivor,
who
once
said
I
swore
never
to
to
be
silent.
Whenever
and
wherever
human
beings
endure,
suffering
and
humiliation.
We
must
always
take
science.
F
Neutrality
helps
the
oppression,
never
the
victim
silence
encourages
the
tormentor
and
nevertheless,
and
so
I
think
that
that
it
is
imperative
that
we
speak
out,
but
not
only
speak
out,
but
we
can
by
speaking
out-
and
I
think
this
resolution
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
showing
that
the
leadership
of
our
city
is
opposed
to
the
kind
of
of
hate
speech
and
division
and
anti-semitism
demonstrated
here
in
our
community,
and
so
I
know
that
this.
I
believe
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
F
C
All
right
good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
for
taking
our
our
comments
this
evening.
This
resolution
is
a
phony
attempted
outrage.
This
is
nothing
more
than
a
political
grand
standing,
an
attempt
to
get
attention
for
one
city,
council
members
campaign
and
I
think
it's
shameful.
There
are
other
things
that
we
could
do.
We
were
all
outraged
by
what
we
saw,
but
unfortunately
this
falls
under
the
first
amendment,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
look
at
what
this
actually
is
meant
to
be.
Thank
you.
C
D
D
D
G
Q
Q
Hate
is,
unfortunately,
a
part
of
the
world
we
live
in
and
a
part
of
our
community,
whether
we
want
it
to
be
or
not.
We
need
to
speak
up
and
stand
against
it
and
well.
The
speakers
on
the
bridge
or
the
the
demonstrators
on
the
bridge
are
certainly
within
their
free
speech
rights
to
express
their
hatred.
However
misinformed
it
is
what
they
cannot
do
is
act
upon
that
hatred
in
any
manner
like
physical
manner
or
intimidating
of
any
any
person
they
perceive
as
not
belonging
to
their
group.
Q
I
also
want
to
say
on
the
issue
of
the
hanging
banner
from
the
freeway
overpass:
isn't
that
a
public
safety
or
health
concern?
What,
if
that
was
to
drop
onto
the
freeway
and
cause
an
accident?
I
would
think
going
from
demonstrating
with
the
sign
to
demonstrating
with
a
giant
banner
hanging
over
an
overpass
would
be
a
bit
of
a
public
safety
issue.
D
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
cindy
goldberg
and
I'm
speaking
tonight
in
my
capacity
as
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks,
I
support
the
city's
public
affirmation
denouncing
racism
and
bigotry
in
our
community
there's
an
old
saying
that
ends,
if
not
now,
when
I
understand
that
there
was
an
anti-racism
resolution
presented
to
the
council
last
year
for
review
and
it
never
materialized
on
the
agenda.
I
hope
this
time
the
city
takes
action.
N
Most
of
my
canal
valley,
neighbors,
share
the
sentiments
expressed
in
this
proposed
value
statement.
We
have
different
words:
we
use
to
identify
hatred
and
evil,
but
our
community
members
underlying
values
are
the
same.
It
should
not
be
difficult
to
publicly
state
that
there
is
no
place
for
hate
in
thousand
oaks.
N
When
I
was
a
little
girl,
many
of
my
family
members
believed
that
everyone
who
wasn't
jewish
was
an
anti-semite.
It
was
in
their
minds
a
given
the
holocaust
loomed
large,
a
majority
of
our
family
had
just
been
deliberately
systematically
murdered.
Those
who
survived
were
marked
in
ways
that
can
never
be
fully
understood.
N
All
irony
aside,
the
dangers
of
hatred
and
an
us
versus
them
mentality
for
central
themes.
In
the
messages
I
internalize
from
a
very
early
age-
and
that's
why
I'm
here,
I
am
by
nature,
a
dot
connector.
The
events
of
february
12th
made
it
hard
to
ignore
the
connected
dots
14
words
displayed
on
the
ventu
overpass
signaled,
that
those
who
have
hate
have
not
only
arrived
but
they're
among
us,
and
they
are
strong
enough
to
share
their
hatred
in
public.
N
It
makes
the
need
for
security
guards
at
our
synagogue
feel
all
too
real.
I
believe
that
if
this
doesn't
make
you
at
least
a
little
unsettled
you're,
not
actually
paying
attention
our
parts
about
place,
a
value
on
inclusive
play,
spaces
and
open
spaces.
Our
schools
continue
to
teach
the
importance
of
including
everyone
on
the
playground
and
in
the
classroom.
Resolutions
are
passed,
recognizing
diversity,
celebrating
the
contributions
and
cultural
heritage
that
make
our
community
and
country
strong.
N
N
D
D
I
tend
to
think
that
what
is
going
on
is
just
an
opportunity
to
create
something
and
to
state
going
with
what
that
our
culture
is
going
right.
Now
they
are
promoting
hate
and
they
are
saying
that
we
all
have
to
be
inclusive
or
whatever
I,
as
a
christian
by
the
word
of
god
in
the
bible.
It
tells
me
to
love
my
neighbor
and
I
have
found
in
here
in
ventura
county
in
thousand
oaks,
to
be
one
of
the
safest
place
from
crime
and
from
how
people
relate
to
me.
D
D
S
Council
members
good
evening,
council
members,
I
am
caleb
standifer
and
have
lived
in
newbury
park
for
29
years.
The
city
of
thousand
oaks
has
a
culture
of
loving
and
tolerant
people.
We
are
strong
and
resilient
people.
The
character
of
our
all-american
city
is
shown
by
how
we
respect
and
love
our
neighbors
in
our
city.
S
Politicians
don't
make
the
character
of
our
city.
We
do
by
our
daily
lives
at
work
in
youth
sports,
in
civic
organizations,
involvement
in
our
churches,
involvement
in
political
organizations
and
volunteering
to
help
those
who
need
help.
The
agenda
preceding
this
item
is
what
city
government
is
about.
S
S
I
believe
it
is
a
bad
idea
to
give
attention
to
those
outside
our
community
who
come
to
stir
up
trouble.
Just
imagine
ignoring
them.
The
wonderful
people
of
thousand
oaks
will
not
be
intimidated,
nor
persuaded
by
these
yachts
city.
Council
don't
take
the
bait,
there's
never
been
any
doubt
about
the
character
of
the
people
of
thousand
oaks
and
his
leadership.
We
understand
that
our
right
to
freedom
of
speech
is
sometimes
messy
and
allows
people
to
say
things.
We
don't
like
our
schools
say:
students
have
learned
resilience
during
the
pandemic.
S
L
L
Terrific,
so
why
did
a
hate
group
choose
to
hang
this
banner
on
our
overpass
some
tonight,
I've
heard
say:
maybe
they
thought
they
were
welcome
here,
and
I
don't
think
that
is
because
there's
no
way
this
is
the
wrong
city.
In
my
viewpoint,
maybe
they
thought
our
outrage
would
give
their
banners
media
time
and
obviously
that
worked.
L
We
now
have
an
agenda
item
regarding
these
ignorant
signs.
Our
city
council
has
spent
valuable
time
on
a
proposed
resolution.
It's
been
splashed
on
social
media,
it's
made
the
newspapers.
In
my
opinion,
the
treatment
of
this
hateful
banner
has
given
it
the
attention
the
hate
group
was
looking
for.
You
gave
it
life.
L
L
Why
has
a
very
poorly
made
banner
on
a
freeway
turned
into
a
witch
hunt
for
canelo
valley
hate?
When
I
heard
this
was
on
the
agenda
tonight,
I
was
so
disappointed
to
see
that
our
leadership
was
falling
for
this
parlor
trick
on
the
overpass
canelo
valley
does
not
have
a
hate
issue.
Canelo
valley
has
a
reputation
for
welcoming
everyone
who
has
set
roots
here.
Don't
let
the
passerby's
envious
of
our
community
standards,
distract
your
view
of
the
city
you
represent.
L
I
hope
you
strike
down
this
resolution,
which
only
resolves
that
we've
always
been
doing
providing
a
welcoming
place
for
all.
I
guess
vote
for
this
resolution
is
a
clear
vote
for
the
political
theater
that
has
been
created
around
an
isolated
issue.
A
yes
vote
for
this
resolution
will
only
be
made
by
those
council
members
who
are
out
of
touch
with
the
people
who
live
in
our
city.
L
G
A
Okay,
thank
you,
hello.
My
name
is
isaac,
garcia
and,
as
president,
I
am
representing
the
latino
youth
leadership
group
at
thousand
oaks
high
school
with
members
from
westlake
and
newbury
park
high
school
as
well.
Recent
events
have
brought
to
light
the
existence
of
neo-nazis
and
racism
as
a
whole
in
our
community.
A
A
We
stand
by
mrs
claudia
bill
de
la
pena
and
the
goal
of
authorizing
an
official
position
against
bigotry,
white,
supremacy,
anti-semitism
and
hate
speech
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
its
subordinate
bodies.
We
do
not
despise
you
if
you
have
not
experienced
racism
or
any
other
form
of
hate,
but
just
because
you
have
not
experienced
it
does
not
mean
others
don't
and
the
ignorance
to
acknowledge.
It
is
great
myself
and
my
fellow
group
members
have
countless
stories
of
racist
events
in
the
area
throughout
our
lives.
A
I
wish
I
had
the
time
to
share
every
single
one
of
them
to
show
you
how
persistent
racism
is
in
our
community.
Our
lives
are
constantly
affected
by
the
actions
of
others,
expressing
their
beliefs
and
as
strong
as
our
self-worth
may
be.
It
takes
its
toll.
We
do
not
want
to
live
in
an
area
with
people
who
don't
accept
us
and
we
will
not
move
because
it
is
our
home.
I
don't
mean
to
jump
ahead
to
solutions,
so
I
will
refer
to
a
quote
by
margaret
hefferman.
A
You
cannot
fix
a
problem
you
refuse
to
acknowledge.
This
quote
represents
the
city
situation
to
the
dot.
The
problem
we
have
is
racism
and
other
forms
of
hate.
We
have
heard
the
condemnation
of
acts
like
these.
We
have
yet
to
hear
the
acknowledgment
of
their
existence
in
our
community,
as
is
a
as
a
persistent
and
far
too
common
event.
The
moment
we
take
that
step
forward.
We
can
begin
searching
for
solutions.
G
S
I
hope
you'll
listen
particularly
intently
to
the
voices
of
black
jewish
latino
and
other
residents
who
currently
have
every
reason
to
question
their
safety
and
their
sense
of
belonging
in
this
community.
They
need
substantive
action,
not
merely
words.
On
a
page,
this
gang
of
white
nationalist
thugs
clearly
found
our
community
to
be
fertile
ground
for
their
messaging
and
recruitment,
based
on
multiple,
well-documented
racist
incidents
they've
seen
locally
in
recent
years.
S
S
K
G
G
L
L
I
can
feel
disgusted,
but
this
message
was
not
for
me.
It
was
intended
to
hurt
people
who
are
not
white.
It
clearly
said
that
on
the
banner,
so
please
listen
to
the
people
of
color,
the
jewish
people,
the
people
who
are
members
of
the
lgbtq
community
who
might
speak
these
are
the
ones
these
are
the
people
who
are
being
told
that
they
don't
belong
in
our
society.
L
I
know
our
council
has
often
a
very
kind
of
strict
interpretation
of
what
is
council
business.
We
paid
the
streets
we're
lucky
enough
to
live
in
a
city
that
has
money
to
fix
a
reservoir
in
an
emergency.
We
have
a
gold-plated
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
so
in
the
past,
these
types
of
social
issues
have
not
been
considered
to
be
the
business
of
city
council,
but
when
our
residents
are
threatened
and
told
that
they
do
not
belong
in
our
society,
it
is
city
council's
business.
L
I
do
not
see
why
it
should
be
hard
for
all
of
you
to
vote
for
this
resolution
and
statement
of
anti-hate
and
for
those
of
you
who
use
the
weak
excuse
of
it
not
being
within
the
city's
purview.
Your
vote
against.
It
is
the
same
as
someone
who
perhaps
has
the
sympathies
of
that
we've
described
in
this
message.
So
please,
why
is
it
hard?
Why
is
it
hard
to
vote
against
hate?
Why
I
don't
get
it?
Thank
you
very
much.
G
G
B
B
What
our
community
experienced
days
ago
was
an
act
of
aggression
and
intimidation
by
a
group
that
somehow
came
to
the
conclusion
that
their
message
of
white
supremacy
would
be
welcome
in
thousands
and
oaks.
Why
here
and
why
now,
our
city
has
had
several
incidents
of
reported
hate
crimes
since
the
pandemic
against
asian
americans.
B
Those
that
have
been
reported,
however,
represent
a
small
fraction
of
the
incidents
that
go
on
because
of
fear
of
retribution
and
lack
of
any
accountability
by
laws
in
place.
Victims
are
silenced
during
the
george
floyd
murder,
people
were
pepper,
sprayed
by
a
motorist,
and
I
personally
suddenly
witnessed
a
man
trying
to
antagonize
a
peaceful
protest.
B
B
G
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
cindy
and
I'm
part
of
we
belong
805,
an
advocacy
group
for
disability
justice.
I've
lived
in
thousand
oaks
for
over
15
years
and
have
kids
in
our
public
schools.
We
love
this
community,
but
honestly,
I
don't
always
feel
it
loves
me
back
the
other
day
I
was
out
and
about,
and
someone
felt
it
was
okay
to
shout
ching
chong
at
me,
and
I'm
just
glad
my
kids
weren't
there
to
witness
such
ugliness
to
be
crystal
clear.
Racism
exists
in
this
community.
N
N
Sadly,
your
silence
has
not
only
been
an
acceptance
of
that
rhetoric,
but
contributed
to
its
growth.
The
time
to
simply
denounce
racism
has
long
gone.
The
community
now
expects
tangible
action
policy
and
resources
devoted
to
root
out
racism
in
our
community.
Put
money
behind
it,
put
people
behind
it,
put
metrics
and
goals
behind
it.
Instead
of
this
resolution,
develop
a
policy
that
expands
the
seats
on
the
traffic
and
planning
commissions
that
are
reserved
for
members
that
represent
diverse
racial
groups
are
aging
and
disabled
populations.
N
D
So,
despite
my
own
fears,
I'm
speaking
here,
hate
speech,
especially
white
supremacy,
is
very
frightening
to
me
personally
as
a
person
of
jewish
descent
with
a
young
family.
But
what
makes
me
feel
truly
unsafe
is
the
lack
of
action
by
our
city's
leaders.
This
hate
is
learned.
These
learned
attitudes
and
behaviors
can
be
unlearned
with
education
and
dialogue.
D
Our
thousand
oaks
community
has
incredible
members
such
as
those
members
of
805
resistance
who
have
already
spent
time
and
effort
to
address
this
obvious
need,
and
we
all
need
to
listen
and
regardless
of
those
whose
intolerance
and
hate
cannot
be
changed.
It
is
imperative
for
our
city
and
local
leaders
to
show
our
community
with
words
and
actions
that
we
will
not
stand
for
hate
and
intolerance.
D
C
To
everyone,
please
think
to
everybody:
when
and
every
time
there
is
not
a
trustworthy
government,
the
people
will
be
angry.
That
is
our
right
and
it's
our
built-in
method
of
accountability
to
the
leaders
that
we
voted
in,
and
so
we
are
angry.
We're
angry
that
you've
ignored
us
for
over
a
year
and
asking
for
this
we're
angry
that
you've
never
spoken
against
racism
in
your
roles
in
city
council.
We're
angry
that
you
made
equity
and
inclusion
a
priority
in
the
plan
and
then
failed
to
follow
up
with
action.
C
We're
angry
that
you
failed
to
create
a
resolution
with
the
input
from
the
populations
that
everyone
is
speaking
for.
We're
angry
that
people
are
trying
to
use
the
resolution
as
a
play
for
politics
tokenizing
the
people.
They
should
be
protecting
we're
angry
that
the
white-washed
version
of
this
resolution
has
no
action
plan
and
implementation.
C
Much
like
the
statement
of
the
general
plan.
We're
angry
at
this
governing
board.
We're
angry
that
we
have
presented
continuous
examples
of
racism
in
and
around
canada
valley
and
that
all
of
you
have
failed
to
speak
or
take
action.
While
we
were
all
being
affected,
saying
thousand
oaks
is
a
welcoming
place.
It's
not
a
surprise
to
us
that
white
lives
matter
has
identified
this
city
as
fertile
ground
and
after
hearing
mcnamee's
comments
right
now,
they're
going
to
continue
to
feel
protected.
C
You
have
failed
all
people
of
color,
lgbtq
non-christian
residents
of
this
town.
You
have
created
the
fertile
ground
that
they
are
here
to
speak.
I
urge
the
city
manager
and
council
to
commit
to
the
creation
of
a
resolution
that
is
strong
and
implemented
with
policy
with
finances
with
actual
action.
C
G
I
Good
evening,
honorable
mayor
council,
member
sean
muradian
thousand
oaks,
I
am
sorry,
but
this
resolution
is
an
insult
to
those
seeking
real
and
meaningful
accountability
in
action
against
hate
speech,
bigotry
and
anti-semitism
of
all
types
in
our
community.
The
sponsor
of
this
resolution
cares
more
about
a
campaign
headline
than
winning
a
supervisor's
seat,
the
real
accountability
and
individual
respect.
I
Last
summer,
I
came
before
this
council
requesting
a
resolution
condemning
vicious
tree
hate
speech
and
anti-semitism
against
a
jewish
family.
That's
been
part
of
this
community
for
50
years.
The
reprehensible
conduct
that
I
was
seeking
accountability
for
wasn't
at
the
hands
of
transients
passing
through
town
seeking
attention,
but
rather
from
our
own
elected
officials.
I
Indisputable
evidence
was
presented
to
this
council
to
condemn
supervisor,
linda
parks
and
her
allies
for
intentional
and
deliberate
personal
attacks
on
a
jewish
family.
This
jewish
family
needed
to
suffer
more
by
their
hands
and
by
their
government,
was
their
precise
words
printed
in
black
and
white
for
all
to
read
what
did
the
sponsor
of
this
resolution
do
about
it?
Absolutely
nothing.
How
could
she
when,
in
fact,
she
would
be
condemning
her
own
mentor,
idol
endorser
for
county
supervisor,
but
it
gets
worse
because
the
bigotry
hates
speech
and
anti-semitism
doesn't
end
with
linda
parks.
I
The
very
sponsor
of
this
resolution
was
conspiring
with
parks
to
carry
out
the
very
actions.
She
was
also
being
asked
to
condemn.
Shame
on
them.
If
they
want
to
end
bigotry,
hate
speech
and
anti-semitism,
they
must
start
from
within
not
passing
meaningless
resolutions
to
bolster
political
campaigns
once
our
elected
representatives
are
held
accountable
for
their
actions.
The
rest
of
us
will
take
resolutions
like
this
more
seriously.
I
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
here
tonight.
My
name
is
chuck
wilhelm.
I've
lived
in
newberry
park.
38
years
raised,
three
children
have
six
grandchildren
each
of
my
kids
married
local
folks,
and
they
still
live
here.
We
love
this
community.
It
is
the
most
welcoming
embracing
of
all
races
and
nationalities
in
this
community.
I
We
have
amgen,
we
have
the
agricultural
community
which
all
bring
in
multi-cultural
individuals
to
this
community.
I've
never
heard
any
incident,
except
for
this
one
disgusting
incident
last
week
and
I
think
you're
taking
an
opportunity
to
give
them
exactly
what
they
wanted.
They
wanted
the
attention
they
wanted
the
headlines.
They
wanted
exactly
what
you're
doing
here.
I
strongly
encourage
the
council
not
to
go
down
this
path.
This
type
of
stuff
only
leads
to
division
and
there's
already
been
a
couple.
Other
speakers
tonight
talked
about.
I
Let's
take
these
next
steps,
these
next
steps
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
you
have
a
commission.
Now
you
have
a
committee.
Now
you
are
beginning
pitting
races
against
races.
Don't
go
down
this
path,
don't
take
the
bait.
This
county
has
been
devastated
over
the
last
two
years,
with,
with
business
shutdowns
church,
shutdowns
people
differing
on
vaccines
and
masks
you
have.
This
has
been
so
divided,
it's
a
time
to
bring
us
together
and
not
go
down
this
ugly
ugly
path.
Please
vote
against
this.
D
Good
evening
my
name
is
mark
francois,
I'm
director
of
policy
and
partnerships
for
the
haitian-american
caucus,
a
volunteer
for
say
their
names,
la
an
alumni
of
cal,
lutheran
and
I've
lived
here
for
most
of
my
life.
We
like
to
pretend
that
hate
has
no
home
in
thousand
oaks.
This
is
a
lie.
Having
spent
most
of
my
life
in
the
conejo
valley,
I
can
attest
to
witnessing
countless
displays
of
hatred,
both
overt
and
implicit.
We
live
under
a
veil
of
white
privilege
masquerading
as
welcoming
safety,
racist
violence,
and
this
was
an
act
of
violence.
D
We
must
stand
in
solidarity
with
our
black
latino
asian
jewish
muslim
and
lgbtq
neighbors
against
these
monsters,
who
would
seek
to
harm
them.
Councilwoman
bill
de
la
pena's
resolution
offers
a
nice
sentiment,
but
little
more,
we
need
you,
the
council,
to
center
people
of
color
in
your
actions
and
take
up
the
proposal
put
forth
previously
by
805
resistance
to
ensure
nazis,
proud
boys,
three
percenters
oath
keepers,
the
klan
and
all
white
supremacists
know
they
are
not
welcome
here,
and
their
activities
won't
be
tolerated
in
any
form.
D
Racist
hate
and
violence
have
been
demonstrably
on
the
rise
across
the
country
since
2009
as
chronicled
by
the
southern
poverty
law
center
hate
watch
and
testified
to
you
by
our
department
of
homeland
security.
It's
long
past
time
for
the
council
to
not
just
acknowledge
but
act
upon
this
reality.
Elections
are
in
november
and
the
candid
filing
deadline
is
six
months
from
now.
The
cops
in
the
clan
go
hand
in
hand.
A
cap.
I
yield
my
time.
L
N
N
She
said
it's
been
here,
her
entire
life
and
she's
white.
So
I'm
shocked.
I've
contacted
every
elected
official
from
the
bottom
up,
they've
chose
to
ignore
it
and
something
needs
to
be
done
and
something
is
better
than
nothing,
and
I
look
at
all
the
faces
out
up
there
and
you
all
know
me,
and
you
know
my
son
and
and
you
sit
there
and
you
don't
want
to
deal
with
it
and
I'm
quite
frankly
ashamed
and
I'm
hurt
as
a
black
woman
and
the
mother
of
a
black
son.
N
You
all
ought
to
be
ashamed
of
yourself
and
I'm
I'm
hurt.
I'm
hurt
that
you
would
act
like
that
and
you
come
you
smile
in
our
face.
Some
of
you
will
hug
us,
and
then
you
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
issue
it's
here
and
chase,
and
I
have
dealt
with
it
since
donald
trump
got
in
office
and
before
he
got
in
office,
it's
here
and
it's
real
and
for
people
to
say
it's
like
sesame,
street
and
thousand
oaks.
N
N
Look
my
son
in
my
face,
see
what
we
go
through,
see
what
we
fear
when
we
were
walking
on
the
street
last
year
and
people
in
trucks
with
trump
flags
would
turn
around
and
drive
as
close
to
the
curb
as
they
could
to
frighten
us,
and
we
had
done
nothing.
You
talk
about
freedom
of
speech.
Where
is
the
freedom
to
be
left
alone?
N
I
Going
long-time
partner
in
crime,
linda
parks,
along
with
hateful
and
divisive,
indivisible
and
805
resistance
types,
introduce
another
completely
bogus
racist,
racist
slander
against
the
good
people
of
thousand
oaks
and
ventura
accounting.
Here's
my
resolution,
whereas
candidate
for
sheriff
jim
fryhoff,
told
me
directly
ventura
county
does
not
have
a
racism
hate
crime
problem,
whereas
half
a
dozen
racist
cretins
randomly
haphazardly
and
suspiciously
appeared
up
and
down
the
coast,
and
whereas
some
council
career
politicians
are
running
for
election
to
another
office,
to
continue
that
suckle
of
tax
dollars
and
cheap
aspiration
to
political
power.
I
Whereas
low
information
voters
have
been
repeatedly
victimized
by
weak
career
politicians
such
as
dele,
pena
and
parks.
By
constantly
being
told
they
are
victims
of
a
non-existent
manufactured
racist
society,
whereas
narrative
same
career
politicians
who
have
never
solved
any
intermittent.
Really
racism
excuse
me
that
does
exist
despite
being
in
office
for
so
very
long,
whereas
those
same
career
politicians
that
either
manufactured
this
racist
narrative
or
were
in
charge.
I
While
such
racism
grew
now
at
election,
time
will
solve
it,
and
whereas
the
good
people
of
ventura
county
are
sick
and
tired
of
race-baiting
tax
dollars,
suckling
do
nothing
lifetime.
Politicians
now,
therefore,
voters
in
the
june
7
election
have
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
replace
these
race
baiters
with
fresh
fresh
faces,
fresh
ideas
and
honest
governance
to
uplift
and
break
free
from
the
same
old
type
of
politician
by
a
never
voting
for
the
likes
of
dele
pena
and
parks,
again
b,
choosing
a
fresh
face
with
fresh
ideas
to
replace
them
c.
I
I
N
This
is
a
very
similar
plot
proclamation
that's
been
made
by
other
city
councils
within
our
city,
within
our
county
and
throughout
the
country,
and
it's
in
an
effort
to
paint
people
with
opposing
political
views
as
hateful
racists.
That
must
be
stopped
instead
of
focusing
on
actual
policies
that
are
going
to
be
helpful
to
the
citizens
in
our
city,
county,
state
and
country,
and
it
also
creates
a
victim
class.
N
Making.
These
blanket
statements
diminishes
the
true
strength
and
capabilities
of
people
of
color,
it
insinuates,
they're
less
than
and
they
require
help
and
protection,
and
they
are
not
capable
of
taking
care
of
themselves
and
that
your
policies,
which
are
very
helpful
and
supportive
of
people
of
color,
are
not
going
to
be
effective
because
people
say
mean
things.
N
The
good
news
for
people
of
color
in
our
city,
county
and
state
and
country,
is
that
we
are
americans
and
as
an
american,
you
can
be
and
do
anything
you
aspire
to
be,
regardless
of
the
pathetic
words
of
ignorant
people
and
the
stupid
signs.
They
want
to
try
and
hang
from
banners
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
and
I
would
I
would
even
challenge
the
fact
that
they're
actual
white
supremacists
that
were
standing
on
a
bridge
with
black
hoods
over
their
faces,
I
mean
seriously.
P
P
I
had
a
privacy
fencing
on
the
overpasses,
so
we
don't
have
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
this.
This
resolution
is
weak
and
has
no
action
behind
its
words.
Condemn
wipe,
supremacy
and
racism.
End
white
silence
do
more,
do
better,
create
a
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
Commission
write
a
resolution
written
for
and
by
the
community
that
it's
meant
to
protect.
P
P
Are
you
supporting
all
the
residents
of
t.o
or
just
the
ones
you
know,
and
that
look
like
you
when
a
building
is
on
fire?
Do
you
watch
it
burn,
or
do
you
try
to
put
it
out
if
a
community
organization,
like
805
resistance
or
the
interfaith
organization,
creates
a
concept
comprehensive
resolution
in
2020?
Why
ignore
it?
Do
you
need
more
examples
of
hate
in
our
town?
P
N
Good
evening,
one
of
the
themes
that
I
continue
to
hear
that
surprises
me
is
that
you
all
are
so
surprised
about
racism
and
acts
of
racism.
I
just
can't
understand
how
it
still
is
a
surprise
to
you
all.
We
have
spoken
time
and
time
again
at
city
council
meetings.
We
have
had
children
tell
their
stories,
personal
anecdotes
of
racism
and
their
experiences,
and
yet
we
still
continue
to
want
to
say
that
we're
surprised.
N
Are
we
really
surprised
or
are
we
being
complicit,
because
that
is
what
I
see?
I
see
complicity
and
I
see
silence
from
council
members
and
unfortunately,
some
community
members
as
well
that
keep
coming
to
these
meetings
saying.
Well,
I
don't
see
racism
well,
you're,
not
black.
So
how
could
you
experience
it
you're,
not
latina?
How
could
you
experience
it,
and
some
of
us
unfortunately
also
have
internalized
racism?
That's
another
concept,
I'll
say
for
a
different
meeting.
N
N
It
doesn't
have
to
be
me
because
I
know
I'm
a
threat
to
a
lot
of
you,
because
you
don't
like
what
I
have
to
say
and
you
don't
want
me
to
say
it.
However,
there
are
many
other
community
members
who
stand
strong
care
about
others
care
about.
The
community
bring
the
people
to
the
table.
We
don't
need
any
more
useless,
dii
task
force.
We
have
too
many
already
that
really
don't
do
too
much,
because
it's
full
of
bureaucracy
and
it's
full
of
insiders
who
dictate
what
goes
on
community
members.
B
And
thousand
oak
city
council
members,
my
name
is
valerie
aguilar
and
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
anti-hate
resolution.
I've
been
a
member
of
the
thousand
oaks
committee
for
the
last
13
years
and
have
witnessed
forms
of
racism
and
other
hateful
incidents.
Ever
since
I
was
a
child
growing
up
in
thousand
oaks
as
a
young
latina,
I
witnessed
hostility
towards
my
own
family
and
other
people
of
color
within
the
community.
B
When
I
last
spoke
at
city
council
and
advocacy
for
equity
and
diversity,
I
was
met
with
an
immense
amount
of
dissent,
not
only
from
the
public
but
from
our
own
council
members
council
members
who
have
denied
the
existence
of
racism
in
thousand
oaks
because
they
have
essentially
never
experienced
it
now.
In
light
of
recent
demonstrations
that
displayed
white
supremacists
proudly
waving
their
hateful
speech,
I
ask
that
we
consider
what
went
wrong
to
the
city
council
members,
who
publicly
stated
that
racism
doesn't
exist
in
thousand
oaks.
B
B
B
B
N
L
N
This
cannot
and
must
not
be
tolerated
in
thousand
notes.
We
all
must
stand
up
and
speak
out
against
racism,
anti-semitism,
white
supremacy
and
all
forms
of
hate.
I
am
the
vice
president
of
adelante
community
and
I
am
sure
many
of
you
remember
the
stories
of
microaggressions
and
overt
acts
of
racism
that
our
community
members
shared
with
you
and
continue
to
to
experience
on
a
daily
basis.
N
N
Sadly,
as
a
parent
of
children
with
disabilities,
my
one
ask
is
that
you
include
physical
or
mental
ability
on
the
seventh,
whereas
that
begins
with
city
leaders.
This
will
mirror
language
in
city
goal
1.
our
neighbors
with
disabilities
need
to
be
seen
as
valued
and
equal
members
of
our
society.
I
support
the
resolution
before
you
here
tonight.
Our
city
leaders
must
take
a
position
that
makes
it
clear
that
hateful
bigotry
will
not
be
tolerated,
and
this
resolution
is
the
first
step.
I
look
forward
to
the
city-led
actions
that
will
show
these
neo-nazis.
N
D
D
D
P
Good
evening,
mayor
engler,
council,
members
and
city
staff,
my
name
is
leanne
holland
and
I
live
in
newberry
park.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
I
believe
it
is
the
responsibility
of
all
of
our
leaders
and
our
community
members
to
stand
up
and
speak
out
against
racism,
anti-semitism,
white
supremacy
and
all
forms
of
hate
bigotry
and
those
who
promote
such
hateful
ideas
should
have
no
place
in
thousand
oaks.
P
P
P
I
also
hope
that
you
will
take
this
opportunity
to
engage
with
our
communities
by
poc
leaders
who
are
telling
you
what
needs
to
change
in
thousand
oaks
to
make
our
city's
top
goal
a
reality.
If
we
want
a
community,
that's
truly
equitable
and
inclusive
for
all.
I
believe
it's
necessary
to
do
both.
Thank
you
for
listening.
D
Good
evening,
mayor
angler
city
council
members,
community,
my
name
is
linda
carl.
I
have
lived
in
thousand
oaks
for
about
a
quarter
of
a
century.
I
am
the
president
of
atlanta,
comunidad
conejo
and,
as
it
may
be
of
your
knowledge
on
february,
26th
at
the
atlantic
community
we'll
be
hosting
our
monthly
marketplace
where
we
typically
serve
about
200
families
residents.
D
A
thousand
knocks
primarily
as
we
prepare
I'm
concerned
that
the
events
of
february
12th
may
cause
some
of
those
vulnerable
families
to
shy
away
due
to
their
awareness
that
the
haters
are
here
and
the
city
isn't
willing
to
stand
firm
against
hatred
and
racism.
About
a
year
ago,
atlantic
encouraged
many
of
our
community
members
to
come
and
share
with
you
their
stories
of
microaggressions
and
other
discriminatory
practices.
D
D
P
P
Any
sort
of
anti-hater
anti-racism
resolution
has
been
a
long
time
coming
to
our
city.
There
have
been
many
calls
for
such
a
resolution
since
summer
of
2020..
The
resolution
offered
to
the
city
by
local
group
805
resistance
was
excellent.
There
are
resources,
including
templates
for
resolutions
created
by
the
national
league
of
cities
and
the
government
alliance
on
race
and
equity
that
have
been
suggested
to
all
of
you
many
times
over.
P
That
said,
the
city
needs
to
begin
to
address
racism
and
issues
of
inequity
and
hate,
and
I'm
viewing
this
resolution
as
a
kickoff
to
that
work.
Dr
irene
pinkert,
distinguished
former
oxnard
city
council
member
and
2021
woman
of
the
year
for
our
assembly
district
said
recently.
If
politicians
don't
address
racism,
it
will
get
worse.
I
agree
addressing
racism
and
hate
shouldn't
be
controversial
or
political.
It's
just
the
right
thing
to
do,
especially
when
we've
had
not
only
a
very
blatant
display
of
white
supremacy
in
our
community
recently,
but
multiple
instances
of
racism.
In
recent
times.
P
P
Addressing
engaging
and
acting
on
these
issues
use
existing
frameworks,
look
to
the
numerous
other
cities
across
the
state
and
the
country
engage
in
anti-racism
and
equity
work,
including
cities
that
are
similar
in
size
and
demographics
to
thousand
oaks.
Please
endorse
this
resolution
or
any
previous
draft
that
has
been
provided
to
you.
Listen
to
residents
who
are
people
of
color,
learn
and
develop.
Your
understanding
of
these
issues.
Take
action,
create
active
policies
and
programming
like
some
of
those
things.
G
P
C
P
P
Do
not
give
this
group
that
kind
of
power
thousand
oaks
is
not
a
bigoted
gracious
community,
and
it
surprises
me
that
you
think
it
is.
You
cannot
eradicate
bigotry,
white
supremacy,
anti-semitism
and
hate
speech
with
a
resolution
to
think
that
the
adoption
of
this
resolution
will
end
these
atrocities
is
naive.
P
This
resolution
misleads
the
public
into
thinking
that
racism
is
so
prevalent
in
our
community
that
we
need
to
address
it
in
this
drastic
manner.
This
resolution
does
nothing
to
convert
any
racist
individual
into
changing
his
or
her
misguided
beliefs.
The
best
thing
we
can
do
is
address
this
evil
act
for
what
it
was.
A
small
group
of
vile
people
who
are
desperately
trying
to
paint
our
city,
our
county
and
our
country
with
their
hateful
ideals.
P
By
ignoring
it,
we
take
its
power
away.
If
we
were
a
racist
community,
you
would
not
have
seen
the
immediate
outpouring
of
condemnation
and
disgust
from
our
community
on
social
media
and
in
the
local
papers.
They
all
exploded
with
comments
denouncing
this
atrocious
attack
on
our
city.
Please
vote
no
on
this
misleading,
unnecessary
and
misguided
resolution
and
instead
praise
our
city
for
its
open,
welcoming
and
inclusive
attitudes
and
its
quick
reaction
to
damn
the
perpetrators
of
this
vile
incident.
Thank
you.
D
Good
evening,
mayor
council,
members
and
city
staff,
I'm
kyle
rohrbach
a
long
time
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
I
grew
up
here
and
have
the
privilege
of
making
my
home
and
raise
my
son
here
and
as
someone
who
was
raised,
a
white
man,
I
often
describe
our
city
as
a
slice
of
heaven
a
place
where
I
feel
safe,
supported
and
welcomed.
This
means
it's
easy
to
fall
into
a
place
of
ignorance,
where
we
believe
that
racism
cannot
and
does
not
exist
here,
and
therefore
nothing
can
nor
should
be
done
about
it.
D
D
It's
quite
literally
the
least
you
can
do
and
on
its
own,
it's
not
enough.
Sending
a
message
is
not
enough:
if
you
are
accountable
to
those
words,
you
will
invite
and
welcome
the
bipac
community
and
other
marginalized
communities
to
the
table
to
create
an
actionable
schedule
with
measurable
goals.
To
do
the
work.
Now
is
the
time
to
see
if
you
can
be
held.
G
Q
Q
M
M
Fantastic,
so
basically
I
just
I
don't
want
to
take
two
minutes,
but
I
thank
you
for
all
staying
up
so
late
on
this
cold
evening,
so
I'd
just
like
to
put
in
my
word
to
the
back
officially
adopting
the
resolution.
Somebody
called
it
a
value
statement
and
I
think
that's
all.
It
is
it's
a
value
statement
it
needs
to
be
set
and
to
me
this
is
standing
up
against
another
type
of
graffiti.
We
stand
up
against
graffiti,
we
remove
it
when
we
see
it.
M
N
I
never
thought
that
I
would
hear
people
advocating
against
holding
nazis
accountable.
I
I
don't
think
that
this
is
just
some.
You
know
yahoos
with
a
poorly
made
banner.
I
believe
that
this
was
an
act
of
violence
and
I
think
if
you
look
back
to
history
to
nazi
germany,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
you
know
the
the
origins
of
that
was
also
written
off
as
as
just
some
yahoos
or
you
know
doing
whatever,
and
then
it
turned
into
what
it
did
I'll
keep
this
short
and
simple.
N
N
There
have
been
multiple
accounts
of
of
these
acts
of
violence
by
maybe
people
from
the
same
group.
Maybe
you
know
even
more
terrifyingly
people
from
different
groups,
but
a
speaker
who
spoke
right
before
me
said
it
perfectly.
You
were
gifted
a
resolution
from
a
black
led
organization
who
has
done
more
than
enough
to
offer
you
assistance
as
a
council,
and
I
believe
you
should
take
that.
I
also
just
wanted
to
end
by
saying
really
quickly.
Elected
officials
are
public
figures
and
public
servants.
N
L
N
G
G
G
D
You
tonight
I
am
the
director
of
research
at
the
simon
wiesenthal
center
in
the
museum
of
tolerance
and
I've.
I've
spent
36
years
researching
extremism
and
hate
groups
in
white
supremacists.
A
number
of
people
mentioned
the
14
words
tonight,
but
nobody
said
what
they
were.
The
fourteen
words
read:
we
must
occur
the
existence
of
our
people
in
a
future
for
white
children.
D
One
of
the
things
that
I
do
besides
research,
these
groups
and
I've
met
many
white
supremacists
in
an
undercover
role
up
close
and
personal,
but
one
of
the
things
I
do
is
work
with
former
white
supremacists,
and
there
are
two
things
that
they
would
tell
you
one
is.
They
would
tell
you
that
thousand
oaks
is
exactly
the
type
of
community
that
they
would
go
to
and
recruit
in.
D
It
is
the
perfect
place
for
them.
The
second
thing
that
they
would
do
they
would
be
the
first
on
here
telling
you
to
pass.
This
resolution.
Condemn
white
supremacy
and
condemn
hate
in
general,
the
I
I
teach
hate
crimes
and
one
of
the
things
about
hate
crimes
is
that
they
not
only
hate
incidents.
They
not
only
affect
the
individual
and
the
family
they
infect
and
affect
the
entire
community.
D
There
are
communities
such
as
long
beach
that
actually
send
out
law
enforcement
people
to
deal
with
those
communities
after
an
incident-
and
the
last
thing
I
would
say
to
you
is
that
is-
is
ask
you
to
take
a
stand
and
pass
this
resolution,
because
this
would
go
a
long
way
to
doing
what
you
want,
and
that
is
preserving
the
reputation
that
you've
worked
so
hard
to
build.
Thank
you.
G
A
I've
been
a
resident
of
the
city
for
22
years
now,
and
let
me
tell
you:
I've
seen
racism,
probably
within
the
last
10
or
so
years.
I've
been
called
names
by
people
in
speeding
cars,
my
mother
and
I
at
the
beginning.
The
pandemic
were
accosted
by
a
woman
who
just
called
us
the
n
word
repeatedly,
probably
over
10
times
she
was
very
threatening.
She
walked
up
on
us,
so
it's
here
and
to
pass
this
resolution,
though
it's
not
gonna,
infringe
on
anybody's
right
to
free
speech.
A
A
They
can
escalate
into
violence,
and
I
think
we
need
to
work
with
other
cities
in
the
counties,
because
when
I
was
working
in
merchandising
I
I
was
in
a
store
in
the
internal
grocery
store.
I
went
to
the
bathroom,
I
turn
around
the
stall.
I
see
this
huge
swastika
drawn
on
the
bathroom
stone
that
was
frightening.
So
what
we
need
to
do
is
look
at.
This
is
it's
anti-racism
versus
racism.
It's
not
white
versus
black,
it's
not
latino
versus
white.
It's
not
any
of
that.
It's
anti-racist
versus
racist.
A
G
A
A
A
A
It's
not
enough
to
just
say
some
words
or
to
just
pass
a
resolution.
I
hope
to
see
action
action.
It
can
be
implementing
actual
diverse
appointment
processes
to
our
commissions.
It
could
be
to
stop
silencing
people
of
color
and
speaking
up
against
racism
in
our
city.
It
could
mean
to
do
more
to
trans
city
staff
in
inclusivity
and
the
entire
racism.
A
G
P
O
D
E
J
D
Sure,
thank
you
very
much
for
inviting
me
and
I've
listened
for
the
last
several
hours.
I
grew
up
in
thousand
oaks.
My
parents
took
me
to
jungle,
land
believe
it
or
not.
I
raised
six
kids
three
adopted
girls,
one
from
korea.
I
grew
up
with
hispanics
and
a
few
black
kids
and
I'm
totally
against
this
resolution.
D
G
Thank
you,
sir.
I
think
I'm
back
on
now
we
had
a
technical
difficulty
here
at
the
the
dyess,
so
I'm
glad
that
we're
back
in
one
piece
here.
I
do
not
think
we
have
any
other
speakers
and
thank
you
again
to
all
our
speakers
tonight
for
sharing
your
your
thoughts
and
and
bringing
it
to
us
at
for
our
deliberations.
H
Hand,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
what
we
heard
tonight
is
what
I
was
warned
would
happen,
and
I
fully
expected
it
to
happen.
There
were
some
terrible
things
said
and
some
good
things
said
and
who,
in
their
right
mind,
really
would
want
to
turn
themselves
into
a
human
pinata,
knowing
that
would
that
I
would
catch
a
lot
of
flag
just
to
be
accused
of
using
this
as
a
political
football
for
higher
office.
That
in
itself
is
such
an
insult.
H
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
procedurally
last
year
again
last
year-
and
that
has-
I
have
said
that
in
the
paper
as
well-
we've
there
has
been
resistance
to
address
this
and
the
latest
incident.
I
had
no
control
over
that.
It
happened
when
it
happened,
but
that
this
latest
incident
was
something
that
I
felt
very
strongly
about
only
because
we
had
not
acted
last
year
and
I
wanted
to
bring
something
forward.
But
I.
H
H
It
wasn't
easy,
so
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
and-
and
I
hope
that,
with
what
we
heard
tonight,
it
has
become
crystal
clear
that
we
actually
have
to
do
more.
We
have
to
listen
to
the
residents
we
have
to
have
a
community
liaison.
Have
the
round
table
start
the
discussion
and
build
from
there,
whether
that
is
something
that
needs
to
be
put
on
the
next
agenda
for
next
month
or
whether
that's
something
we
can
do
tonight.
I
will
ask
the
city
attorney
to
to
address
that.
G
G
K
But
again.
The
challenge
here
is
that
it's
under
freedom
of
speech
as
much
as
I
deplore
it.
They
have
the
freedom
of
speech
to
say
so
when
I
walk
through
this
community
for
the
last
25
years,
when
I
go
into
a
library-
and
I
see
children,
teenagers,
adults,
seniors
of
all
different
races
in
the
library,
some
tutoring,
some
teaching
others
to
read
using
the
library,
I'm
proud
about
this
city.
K
When
I
go
to
our
schools
and
visit
the
classrooms
or
watch
the
children
playing
on
the
playground,
all
different
races
backgrounds,
I'm
proud
of
my
city
when
I
work
at
the
free
clinic-
and
I
see
the
teenagers
and
college
students
working
with
people
of
color.
Those
are
the
underserved
in
our
community,
I'm
proud
of
my
city
when
I
go
to
the
grocery
stores,
the
shops,
the
malls,
and
I
see
people
of
all
different
backgrounds,
shopping
and
common
courtesies
being
extended
through
the
day.
K
I
don't
think
outside
groups
are
going
to
be
discouraged
by
this
resolution
that
they're
going
to
read
it
and
suddenly
say:
oh,
don't
go
to
thousand
oaks,
I
don't
even
know
if
they
read,
but
it's
one
where
this
resolution
is
a
feel
good
for
the
people
thousand
oaks
to
accept
already
a
position
that
the
council
has
that
we
do
not
accept.
We
do
not
tolerate
racism,
bigotry
or
white
supremacy.
K
My
challenge
here
is
that
this
is
not
a
well-written
resolution.
It
has
not
gone
through
the
process.
It
has
not
seen
legal
review.
The
city
procedures
need
to
be
done.
I
need
to
protect
the
city
from
its
legal
review
to
make
certain
that
we're
not
at
risk
it's
a
knee-jerk
reaction
to
what
terrible
thing
happened
last
week.
K
I
want
it
done
right.
I
want
to
protect
the
city.
We
had
some
speakers,
robert
who
said
he
wants
us
to
take
action,
and
I
ask
my
ques
my
question
in
my
mind's
eyes:
what
action
we
take?
We
make
a
resolution.
We
have
a
committee
to
do
what.
How
is
that
going
to
change
the
hearts
and
minds
of
racist,
bigots,
white
supremacists?
K
It's
not
at
least
listen
to
a
woman
who
immigrated
here
from
mexico,
who's
married
to
a
japanese
husband,
lorena,
and
she
says
this
is
all
creating
division.
Here
we
are
creating
division,
I'll,
listen
to
joelle,
who
points
out
that
with
a
couple
posters,
the
white
supremacists
got
great
press
time.
Out
of
this.
Has
us
consuming
time
on
city
business.
K
Our
people
need
to
be
vigilant,
and
if
we
see
things
that
are
break
people,
that
white
supremacist
breaking
the
law
call
the
police
have
them
arrested,
ignore
them,
and
we
will
take
their
power
away
the
kind
of
acts
that
we
saw.
Yes,
there
are
some
racists
within
our
community.
There
are
some
white
supremacists
within
our
community,
but
in
total
I
don't
see
thousand
oaks
as
being
a
racist
community
address
the
issue.
K
That's
where
we
start
is
with
our
children,
the
parents
who
teach
our
children
our
teachers,
our
coaches,
be
a
role
model.
That's
where
we
need
to
change.
I
am
not
going
to
try
to
change
a
white
supremacist
all
grown
up
in
fixing.
This
resolution
is
just
going
to
make
us
all
feel
good.
Now
I
could
support
this
resolution.
If
it
was
better.
Written
has
been
through
legal
review
to
protect
the
city,
but
it
hasn't
gone.
G
J
H
H
And
whereas
this
falls
squarely
within
a
long
and
shameful.
History
of
intimidation
and
violence
against
people
of
color.
And
whereas
such
intimidation
threatens
people
of
color
and
a
threat
to
one
person
of
color
is
a
threat
to
all
people
who
value
the
foundation
of
our
country
and
the
social
fabric.
H
H
J
Well,
I
I
agree
with
the
sentiment
here.
I
I
tend
to
think
it's
awfully
wordy
and
yeah.
Well,
there's
everything
in
it,
but
the
kitchen
sink
it
seems.
Like
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
mean
to
hypercritical
be
hypercritical,
because
I
support
your
feelings.
Claudia
and
I
was
I
felt
like
crying
when
I
saw
that
thing
on
the
freeway
bridge
that
we
would
have
something
like
that
in
thousand
oaks.
H
J
I
just
think
that
that
that
could
get
to
the
point
and
be
more
focused
and
do
the
job
better.
If,
if,
if
there's
some
time
to
do
a
little
rewrite
on
it,
as
I
say,
if,
if
I,
if
the
majority
disagrees
with
that
and
is
ready
to
approve
it
tonight,
I'll
vote
for
it,
but
I
would,
I
would
feel
better
if
it
were
written
a
little
better.
H
J
J
G
O
O
O
I
think
that
there
are
things
that
the
council
can
do
to
further
that
goal
and
those
things
are
support
the
people
that
are
targets
of
this
to
show
some
solidarity
with
them
to
create
equal
opportunity
here
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
I'm
no
stranger
to
a
lack
of
equal
opportunity.
I
lived
in
camden
new
jersey
for
four
years,
while
I
went
to
college
okay,
the
poorest
city
in
the
country,
35
percent
unemployment,
crime.
O
It
was
a
devastated
city
because
it
was
lack
of
opportunity
and
we,
as
a
council,
that's
our
obligation
to
try
to
create
opportunity
for
people,
and
I
think
our
number
one
goal
that
we
voted
5-0
on
does
just
that.
It's
got
notice
how
it
starts
with
a
verb,
create,
create
a
more
equitable,
safe,
welcoming,
inclusive
government
and
community.
O
It's
an
actionable,
oh,
whereas
the
resolution
is
words,
but
I'm
not
sure
there's
action
in
this
resolution,
but
we
are
pursuing
these
actions.
We
we've
had
a
a
community
forum
about
diversity,
equity
inclusion,
we've
talked
about
it
at
our
gpac
meetings.
Our
staff
is
being
trained
in
dei
we're
translating
our
meetings
in
spanish.
O
Believe
me,
it's
on
the
mind
of
everybody
who
works
for
this
city
every
day,
every
time
everything
we
do.
We
consider
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
in
all
our
decisions
and
all
our
council
actions,
and
so
does
the
staff.
Believe
me.
I
know
I
talk
to
them.
So,
what's
the
best
way
to
fight
hate,
I
really
think
it's
equal
opportunity.
O
O
You
know
it's
just
unfortunate
over
the
last
20
years
that
we've
had
this
anti-growth
faction
in
the
city
that
has
fought
us
on
on
housing
and
where
we
ended
up
a
lack
of
housing
and
it's
overpriced
and
we've
shut
people
out
of
the
city.
We've
shut
them
out.
We,
I
don't
know
how
many
times
I've
talked
about
an
economic
wall
around
the
city
and
that's
exactly
what
exists,
trying
to
create
a
path
to
prosperity
and
beat
back
these
notions
that
we're
going
to
be
the
san
fernando
valley
and
we're
going
to
be
santa
monica.
O
It's
so
unproductive
housing
and
jobs,
equal
opportunity,
that's
how
to
fight
hate,
build
up
the
people
that
are
are
subjected
to
this
kind
of
thing.
You
know
just
that's
what
we
can
do
as
a
city
council.
I
I
really
believe
that
you
know
and-
and
I
when
we
have
our
priority
session
in
april-
I'd
like
to
revisit
this
whole
thing
and
revisit
our
number
one
goal.
Perhaps
we
can
augment
it,
you
know:
can
we
thread
the
needle
between
hate
speech
without
trampling
on
first
amendment
rights?
O
Is
there
some
kind
of
suitable
language
that
would
strengthen
public
safety
protections
without
crossing
the
line
of
free
speech?
I'm
not
sure,
but
it's
certainly
we're
talking
about
and
that's
the
perfect
form
to
do
it
because
hate
speech,
it
impacts
our
ability
to
to
address
the
root
cause
of
social
problems
of
racism,
and
I
I
just
I
want
to
tell
all
the
residents
you
know
we
need
to
keep
track
of
these
kind
of
incidents.
If
you
have
an
incident
of
hate
speech
recorded
to
the
city,
there's
a
phone
number,
you
can
call
805-654-9511.
O
805-654-9511,
when
you
come
across
racism
or
hate
speech,
we
need
to
track
it.
We
need
to
keep
track
of
what's
going
on
in
in
this
particular
area.
So
again,
you
know
we
need
to.
We
can't
change
people's
minds,
but
we
can
certainly
support
the
people
that
are
targets
of
this,
and
I
I
I
can
support
the
motion
because
I
think
it's
relatively
benign.
O
H
O
H
E
E
What
I
can-
and
perhaps
this
will
help
council
to
offer
you
tonight
since
we're
very
close
to
the
goal
setting
session.
When
I
hear
council
having
a
desire
to
have
further
discussion
about
their
number
one
goal,
is
we
can
engage
in
dialogue
with
the
various
groups
to
continue
that
dialogue?
We
started
last
year
during
those
listening
sessions
and
have
that
as
a
jumping-off
point
to
provide
council
with
some
additional
information,
as
you
continue
to
move
forward
on
determining
how
you're
going
to
contemplate
future
priorities
and
goals
as
we
move
forward.
E
So
miss
furtado
has
been
part
of
this
part
of
the
meeting
tonight
and
has
lots
of
information
from
the
speakers
and
his
groups
and
is
very
familiar
with
a
lot
of
folks
and
she
can
make
some
of
that
proactive
outreach
in
advance
to
you
since
that's
not
agenda
tonight.
That's
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
offer.
G
I
think
the
the
feeling
across
the
board
here
is
that
none
of
us
have
have
any
regard
for
what
has
occurred
and
we
all
are.
We
all
understand
that
there
is
a
some
bad
actions
that
happen
in
our
town.
This
is
a
regrettable
thing
and
we
all
recognize
that
our
town
is
not
perfect
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
that
town
better
in
terms
of
our
action
tonight.
G
G
We've
been
the
resolution
has
been
attacked
is
not
strong
enough
or
too
strong
or
unnecessary.
I
think
this
is
a
result
of
of
one
person
bringing
it
forward.
I
think
we
work
better
as
a
group,
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
pass
this
resolution
tonight
because
I
think
to
not
pass
this
resolution
tonight
and
I
hope
I
can
get
a
5-0
vote
on
it
because
to
not
pass
this
resolution
tonight
sends
sends
a
message
and
I'm
afraid
it's
going
to
be
the
wrong
message.
G
Will
it
change
minds
of
people
we're
trying
to
to
change
minds
of
people
who've
already
made
up
their
mind?
No,
it
won't,
but
what
it
will
do
is
send
a
message
to
those
people
in
our
community
who,
as
I
said
earlier
today
in
my
my
opening
statement,
came
to
me
and
said
I
don't
feel
like.
I
belong
anymore
in
this
community
because
I
witnessed
that
hoping
we
can
get
a
5-0
vote
tonight
on
this,
because
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do
this.
This
resolution
is
badly
flawed.
G
G
I
would
like
us
to
go
back
to
more
of
our
normal
order
and
work
through
these
ideas
and
bring
them
in
in
whole
cloth
to
to
our
council,
so
we
can
have
a
united
front
all
together
with
that
said,
I
I
would
love
us
to
pass
this
tonight.
It's
a
resolution.
That
is,
we
all
agree
with,
so
let
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
pass
it.
O
O
And
going
forward
with
all
the
decisions
this
council
has
to
make
for
the
rest
of
this
year
on
things
like
housing
and
jobs
that
create
an
equal
opportunity,
a
level
playing
through
for
people.
Think
about
that
on
the
next
vote,
when
it
comes
to
kmart
property.
Think
about
that
when
it
comes
on
the
next
vote,
when
it
comes
to
something
like
299,
think
about
that
when
housing
is
in
front
of
you
that
can
open
up
the
city
and
give
some
people
an
opportunity,
these
are
the
people
we
need
to
support.
O
G
G
Two
of
our
members
were
the
were
the
target
of
that
councilmember
mcnamee
was
accused
of
some
things
that
I
know
that
he's
not
and
more
importantly,
I
know
that
miss
bill
de
la
pena
is
coming
from
a
from
a
position
of
of
sincerity
on
this
item,
and
I
want
everyone
out
there
to
know
that
these
people
on
the
diocese
are
people
of
character,
and
we
we.
We
know
that
we're
not
perfect.
We
know
that
we
make
mistakes,
but
we
are
people
of
character.
H
Yes,
mayor
engler,
I
appreciate
your
your
statement
very
much
and
it
was
important
to
get
the
discussion
going
and
I
was
hoping
that
this
resolution,
which
was
which
had
passed
through
several
revisions,
would
be
a
launching
pad
to
doing
something.
In
addition
to
what
mr
adam
already
stated
with
regarding
housing,
but
to
really
start
a
dialogue
communication
that
is
so
important
for
our
bypark
residents
to
actually
feel
safe
and
welcome.
Sometimes
you
have
to
state
the
obvious.
H
Sometimes
you
have
to
do
the
obvious,
and
so
it
is
vitally
important
that
we
not
only
pass
this
tonight,
but
that
we,
when
we
have
our
goal
setting
session,
we
start
that
communication
with
a
roundtable.
I
have
to
emphasize
that,
and
that
will
be
very
helpful
and
there
are
residents
who
are
eager
to
help
eager
to
pitch
in,
and
I
think
we
should
take
advantage
of
that.
H
G
Thank
you,
and,
and
from
my
perspective,
a
roundtable
is
one
pers,
one
idea
that
may
have
merit
or
other
ideas
that
we
may
be
able
to
come
up
with
together.
That
would
be
a
better
idea
than
that.
So
I
urge
us
all
to
keep
our
minds
open
as
we
approach
this
difficult
subject
matter
mayor
or
madam
moss.
G
Q
Q
J
G
G
E
E
We
have
no
formal
agenda
items
for
that
night,
but
mayor
engler
will
be
doing
some
very
important
work
for
us
in
washington
dc
as
part
of
our
annual
lobbying
trip
and
in
particular
this
year
takes
on
adam
importance
with
the
infrastructure
bill
looming
and
we'll
be
there
with
amina
a
legislative
affairs
manager
advocating
on
behalf
of
our
community
on
a
variety
of
issues.
So
no
meeting
on
the
15th.
Our
next
regular
meeting
will
be
on
the
29th
of
march.
Currently
we
have
a
series
of
items
there.
E
E
Council
will
remember
that
you
advance
the
pre-screen
with
mill
creek
as
an
applicant
that
did
not
end
up
moving
forward
through
the
process,
and
so
the
applicant
is
the
property
owner
has
moved
forward
with
an
amendment
requesting
a
re-pre-screen,
and
that
is
mr
nazar
beacon.
So
I
was
currently
slated
for
that
night.
E
I
also
wanted
to
put
on
radar
that
we're
gonna
have
that
evening
at
a
a
couple
of
initiations,
one
for
columbarium
use
and
a
couple
of
other
items
that
are
still
taking
shape,
but
that's
for
the
meeting
of
the
29th
of
march
and
pleased
to
report
that
we
will
be
back
in
person
for
that
meeting
in
chambers
on
the
29th
of
march.
Looking
forward
to
seeing
everybody
in
person.
That's
it.
G
Thank
you,
mr
powers,
and
tonight
we
don't
have
anybody
to
really
adjourn
the
meeting
to
so
I
just
want
to
leave
everybody
with
the
thought.
Yesterday
was
president's
day,
I'm
a
traditionalist.
It
was
initially
about
our
george
george
washington
and
abraham
lincoln,
as
I
look
back
upon
their
time,
abraham
lincoln,
who
owns
slaves.
I'm
sorry,
george
washington,
who
owned
slaves,
was
not
a
perfect
person.
G
Abraham
lincoln
himself
who
freed
the
slaves,
was
not
a
perfect
person,
but
both
together,
we
are
moving
our
union
forward
and
that's
to
me
is
the
purpose
of
president's
day
to
see
the
steps
we've
made
to
become
a
more
perfect
union
and
we
still
have
some
ways
to
go.
So
with
that.
I
will
adjourn
the
meeting.