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Thousand Oaks City Council Regular Meeting 4/12/22
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D
G
Yes,
I'd
love
to
very
good.
I
I
think
our
city
is
noted
for
the
finest
clerks
that
cities
ever
were
able
to
have,
starting
with
velma
quinn
and
nancy
dillon,
linda
lawrence
and
cindy.
Of
course
I
mean
I'm
very.
I
don't
mean
to
bring
national
politics
into
this,
but
the
clerks
are
are
responsible
for
our
elections
and
the
veracity
of
our
elections,
and
I'd
like
to
make
a
statement
for
city
clerks.
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B
H
H
This
festival
truly
is
one
of
my
favorite
programs
that
we
get
to
do
each
year
because
it
allows
us
to
engage
more
fully
with
our
community
in
different
ways,
just
outside
of
the
confines
of
our
our
beautiful
theaters.
Here.
As
a
reminder,
the
pop-up
arts
and
music
festival
is
a
city-sponsored
event
and
is
coordinated
in
partnership
with
canelo
recreation
and
park.
District
teo,
arts
and
other
community
partners.
H
So,
with
free
events
out
in
the
community,
we
try
to
take
those
barriers
that
normally
stand
in
people's
way
from
attending
events,
break
them
down
and
make
ourselves
available
and
accessible
and
welcoming
to
everybody
throughout
the
community
who
is
able
to
join
us.
So
tonight.
It's
a
pleasure
for
me
to
share
with
you
the
lineup
for
the
events
that
we
have
scheduled
for
this
upcoming
june.
H
We're
going
to
kick
off
our
events
on
june,
the
3rd
at
el
parque
de
la
paz,
right
here,
just
down
teo
boulevard,
new
west
symphony
is
going
to
kick
off
the
events
with
opera
light
they'll
be
having
an
event
an
evening
of
famous
arias,
with
internationally
renowned
baritone
valdez
janssen's
and
la
opera,
soprano
alicia
fox,
accompanied
by
members
of
the
new
west
symphony
on
june.
The
4th
we'll
be
out
at
stagecoach
museum
on
the
outsour
and
the
outside
lawn
for
bryn
albanese
and
the
furious
seasons.
H
Bryn
albanese
is
a
multi-genre
violinist
from
the
central
coast,
with
a
mix
of
european
gypsy,
latin
jazz,
tangos
classical
with
a
twist
opera
covers
and,
of
course,
celtic.
The
furious
seasons
are
an
acoustic
trio
that
chronicles
the
life
of
21st
century,
los
angeles
acclaimed,
songwriter
and
singer,
and
guitarist
david
steinhardt
and
fashion
songs
that
live
on
the
hopeful
side
of
melancholy.
H
On
june,
the
10th
we
will
be
partnering
with
our
friends
at
samado
for
events
at
their
location
at
the
oaks
mall
khaki
king
is
considered
one
of
the
most
unique
and
influential
guitarists
of
our
time.
She
continues
to
redefine
the
role
of
solo,
instrumental
artist
and
her
multimedia
performance
uses
projection
mapping
to
present
the
guitar
as
a
tool
that
can
shape
both
music
and
video
content
all
triggered
and
often
improvised
by
her
ovation,
adamus
signature.
Signature.
H
On
june
11th
we'll
be
moving
over
to
northwood
park
for
leftover
cuties,
the
los
angeles
noir
pop
quartet.
The
leftover
cuties
have
a
sound
that
is
both
retro
and
refreshing.
They
craft
songs,
imbued
with
jazzy
sophistication
and
palm
trees,
swaying
west
coast
breeziness,
ukulele's,
accordions,
jaunty,
horns
and
rhythms.
The
round
resonant
sounds
of
an
upright
bass
and
occasional
whistling
of
the
chanteurs
mcallen,
leading
it
all.
H
On
june,
17th
we'll
be
headed
to
suburbia
park
for
california
dreamin
with
five-star
theatricals
five-star
theatricals
is
going
to
kick
off
the
summer,
with
songs
of
classic
california.
Artists,
like
the
beach
boys,
the
eagles
joni
mitchells
and
the
mamas,
and
the
papas
as
well
as
musicals
and
movies
featuring
california,
like
rock
of
ages
and
la
la
land
june
18th,
will
be
headed
to
kimber
park
over
in
newbury
park.
For
a
movie
night,
the
movie
night
will
be
screening,
disney's
brave
and
will
feature
ale
house
fire
as
the
band
leading
up
to
the
movie.
H
Typically,
we
start
the
screening
of
the
movie.
Once
it's
dark
enough
ale
house
fire
will
provide
some
ambiance
and
an
enthusiasm
before
we
can
get
to
the
movie
screening
itself.
Ale
house
fires.
Celtic
music
takes
you
back
to
the
pubs
of
ireland
where
everyone
is
your
friend
and
you're
singing
along
to
songs.
You
don't
even
know
june
24th,
we'll
be
rounding
out
the
final
weekend
at
thousand
oaks
community
park,
with
mostly
kosher,
mostly
kosher.
You
might
have
seen
at
disneyland.
H
If
you
frequent
there
often
performing
at
disneyland
but
mostly
kosher,
is
an
acclaimed.
Klezmer
gypsy
rock
band,
which
radically
reconstructs
judaic
and
american
culture
through
music
and
ravenous
klezmer,
beats
and
arresting
yiddish,
refrains
their
concerts
explode
into
a
global
food
fight
of
jazz,
latin
rock
and
folk
music
and
rounding
out
our
presentations.
H
We
will
have
mariachi
garibaldi
the
jaime
cuellar
and
ballet
folklorico
de
los
angeles
at
triunfo
park.
Mexico
lindo
is
a
glorious
musical
journey
where
skilled
musicians
and
virtuoso
dancers
express
the
joy
of
mexico's
rich
musical
traditions.
The
journey
of
sounds
colors
and
dances
from
some
of
the
most
wonderful
regions
of
the
area.
H
B
D
This
is
the
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
Three
individuals
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
B
D
I
D
F
F
Kindness
is
love
happiness
and
much
much
more.
Also,
you
can
do
something
kind
and
expect
nothing
in
return
like
when
you
smile
at
someone
it
might
make
you
it
might
make
them
feel
happier.
You
could
also
play
with
someone
and
might
make
them
feel
better
too.
When
you
feel
sad,
you
can
take
a
deep
breath
or
write
in
a
book.
F
H
F
We
go
kkk's
morning.
Greetings
on
friday
are
my
favorite
days
ever.
We
greet
as
many
students
as
we
can
say
good
morning,
and
I
hope
you
have
a
good
day
and
to
the
parents
that
are
leaving
we
say
have
a
good
weekend.
We
also
like
to
make
sure
everybody
starts
their
day
with
a
little
kindness.
It
is
a
small
thing,
but
it
is
mighty
written
by
shane
brown
in
third
grade.
Okay,.
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F
Hello,
my
name
is
adalyn
hammett
and
I
will
be
writing
a
page
written
by
me.
Kindness
to
me
is
helping
other
people.
That's
why
I
joined
k-kids,
because
all
we
do
is
help
people
like
mana,
macy's,
make-a-wish
and
helping
the
homeless.
Also,
I
adelyn
hammett
am
the
co-treasurer,
so
that
means
I
get
to
count
veterans
cards
and
weigh
mana
food.
F
F
Hi,
my
name
is
jackson
and
I've
been
in
k-kids
for
two
years
when
I
think
of
k-kids,
I
think
of
kindness,
because
we
always
help
other
people
in
need.
Some
of
the
programs
we
do
for
people
in
need
are
pennies
for
patients,
mana,
macy's,
make-a-wish
and
lots
more
kk's
is
the
perfect
definition
of
kindness,
kindness
to
me
means
to
make
the
world
a
better
place
in
helping
other
people
just
to
be
nice.
F
B
F
Hello,
my
name
is
sully.
Kindness
is
a
way
to
cheer
people
up,
because
an
act
of
kindness
can
spread.
Kindness
is
unique
because
it
makes
every
person
want
to
share
it.
Kindness
makes
them
feel
good,
so
they
think
it
will
make
someone's
day.
You
can
be
kind
by
saying
nice
things,
helping
others
being
a
good
friends
and
making
a
work
making
the
world
a
better
place.
F
B
B
You
can
be
kind,
no
matter
who
or
what
you
are.
Don't
ever
stop
sharing
kindness
when
you
make
someone's
day
you're,
not
only
helping
others
you're
helping
yourself
every
everyday
people
feel
down
or
sad,
but
you
just
got
to
lift
their
spirits
as
best
you
can
try
to
help
others
with
simple
things.
You
could
say
hello
or
smile
at
someone.
B
B
J
K
J
J
I
and
many
others
have
lodged
complaints
but
other
than
snippets
of
comments
and
newspapers.
We've
had
no
response
from
the
city.
I
don't
have
enough
time
to
in
this
forum
to
present
a
detailed
explanation
of
why
these
appear
to
violate
code
so
I'll.
Just
summarize,
political
signs
are
permitted
in
residential
and
commercial
zones,
but
are
limited
to
12
square
feet
and
no
more
than
one
per
candidate
on
a
single
parcel
street
frontage.
Mr
moradian
and
a
few
others
are
clearly
violating
this
portion
of
the
ordinance.
J
In
addition,
existing
approved
signs
may
be
covered
with
the
political
message,
regardless
of
the
size
in
reed
versus
town
of
gilbert,
the
supreme
court
ruled
content-based
rules,
face
strict
scrutiny
and
cannot
impede
free
speech.
However,
justice
toledo
went
on
to
say:
cities
are
permitted
to
impose
content,
neutral
regulations
which
include
size,
number
location,
mr
moradian
and
candidate
guerrell's.
Free
speech
are
not
being
impaired
by
the
city
ordinance
with
regard
to
the
101
billboard.
Mr
marauding
is
also
claiming
he's
simply
covering
an
existing
sign
with
a
political
message
which
is
allowed.
J
I
would
like
to
know
was
the
original
sign
permitted
and
in
compliance
with
code,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
something
that
would
have
been
approved,
especially
on
a
residential
residential
parcel.
If
not,
he
can't
make
this
a
great
argument.
If
you
deem
these
are
not
in
violation.
I
assume
that
gives
us
all
the
right
to
place
banners
and
billboards
of
this
size
on
our
own
properties.
J
If
you
feel
there
are
issues
with
the
current
code,
it
is
still
the
law
of
thousand
oaks
and
should
be
enforced.
Mr
moradian
and
mr
guerrell
can
challenge
the
law.
I
found
that
we
actually
have
some
boy
scouts
and
girl
scouts
in
the
room
tonight
and
I
understand
that
they
are
taught
to
obey
the
law
and
if
they
don't
agree
with
the
law,
they
don't
violate
it.
They
change
it.
J
In
closing,
I
would
ask
the
city
attorney:
make
public
what
is
occurring
behind
closed
doors
and
make
a
public
declaration
and
explanation
for
the
city's
position
until
then,
there
is
a
perception
that
this
property,
owner
and
candidate
are
enjoying
special
privileges
not
allowed
to
other
residents.
Thank
you.
B
F
F
Unfortunately,
one
of
the
toba
leaders
has
decided
to
use
his
money
and
land
to
drive,
to
enhance
the
campaign
of
a
candidate
for
ventura,
county
supervisor
and
in
the
process
he
has
recreated
created,
as
you
know,
is
scene
of
mass
billboard
light
upon
our
city.
My
concerns
are
several
number
one.
Why
is
this
developer
been
given
a
pass?
A
green
light
to
flaunt
our
codes
number
two.
If
signs
and
now
according
to
the
city
attorney,
are
now
allowed
to
be
posted
so
much
earlier.
F
How
was
this
change
in
policy
communicated
to
all
of
the
candidates
in
a
timely
and
fair
manner?
If
signs
get
number
three,
if
signs
can
now
be
posted
so
early?
What
about
all
the
other
codes
regarding
the
excessive
size
and
multiple
signs
per
parcel?
Are
that
code?
Are
those
codes
being
enforced
number
four?
The
city
staff
has
shown
an
extreme
bias
in
favor
of
selected
candidates
over
others,
which
is
unfair
and
probably
illegal
number
five.
Why
is
the
most
favored
developer
allowed
to
do
this
to
our
city
number
six?
F
I
have
called
the
city
attorney
newman's
office
repeatedly
in
the
last
several
weeks,
and
my
personal
information
is
always
taken
down.
The
clerk
is
always
exceptionally
polite.
I
have
also
filed
an
online
complaint
regarding
this
sign
and
yet
I'm
always
being
told.
Oh
someone
will
get
back
to
you.
Someone
will
go
back
to
you
and
no
one
to
this
day
to
this
moment
in
time,
has
bothered
to
contact
me
back.
F
B
M
Yes,
with
respect
to
the
two
comments
regarding
signs,
as
everyone
is
aware,
signs
are,
is
a
complex
issue.
There's
constitutional
law,
there's
state
law,
there's
federal
law
first
amendment
is
a
very
looks
like
a
simple
amendment,
but
it's
actually
a
very
complex
amendment
and
the
city
actually
adopted.
What's
called
a
substitution
clause,
we
added
that
to
our
sign
code
after
the
read
case,
which
was
cited
by
the
one
of
the
second
speaker,
it
was.
M
It
was
adopted
by
the
city
council
to
ensure
that
we
did
not
violate
the
read
case
and
the
speaker
is
absolutely
accurate.
The
read
case
basically
says
that
you
cannot
discriminate.
You
cannot
impose
different
regulations
based
on
the
content
we
can.
We
can
impose
regulations
for
location
and
size,
but
we
cannot
make
up
different
rules
based
on
the
content
and
that's
because
the
first
amendment
gives
us
the
right
to
say
what
we
want
to
say.
M
That's
one
of
the
great
things
about
living
in
our
country,
so
a
political
sign
or
a
campaign
sign,
is
by
its
definition,
a
content.
There's
a
campaign
sign
is
different
than
a
for
sale.
Sign
it's
different
than
a
other
types
of
political
speech,
and
a
campaign
sign
is
content
so
by
the
city
adopting
that
substitution
clause.
What
it
does
is
it
provides
that
in
order
to
comply
with
the
read
case,
all
protected
non-commercial
speech
has
to
become
has
to
follow
the
entirety
of
the
sign
code.
M
So
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
looking
at
a
certain
section
that
discusses
campaign
signs.
You
have
to
look
at
the
entirety
of
the
sign
code
and
apply
those.
So
you
have
commercial
signs.
You
have
non-commercial
signs,
you
have
other
types
of
signs
that
are
permitted
throughout
the
city
and
each
one
has
different
parameters
with
respect
to
size
and
location,
and
so
what
the
substitution
clause
says
is
that
a
protected
any
type
of
protected
speech?
You
can
substitute
that
protected
speech
in
any
of
those
other
sign
provisions
and
that's
what
the
city
has
been
doing.
M
You
know
I
wish
it
is
a
simple
answer.
I
would
love
for
it
to
be
a
simple
answer,
but
it's
not.
What
I
will
say
is
that
no
individual
is
being
treated
differently
here.
This
applies
to
everyone.
The
substitution
of
clause
will
apply
to
everybody,
and
it's
not
just
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
that
has
to
comply
with
this.
It's
every
city
in
the
united
states,
regardless
of
you
know,
back
in
the
day
when
I
first
was
an
attorney.
Most
cities
did
have
campaign
sign
ordinances.
L
M
So
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
made
that
change
first
of
all,
and
within
the
last
I
think
it
was
in
the
last
six
months,
the
governor
changed
signed
an
executive
order
with
the
way
with
respect
to
how
people
vote.
So
you
know
back
in
the
day
when
we
first
started,
at
least
when
I
started
voting,
I'm
older,
but
when
I
started
voting
you
you
voted
on
one
day,
and
so
that
was
the
day
that
everyone
thought
okay,
45
days
before
that
specific
day,
but
our
code
does
not
say
45
days
before
election
day.
M
It
doesn't
say
that
it
talks
about
an
event
or
an
occurrence
and
based
on
the
governor,
changing
the
way
and
the
methodology
in
which
people
can
vote.
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
interpretation
to
conclude
that
it
can
be.
It
can
be
45
days
from
that
occurrence,
since
I
can
vote
30
days
before
the
actual
election
day,
it
could
be
45
days
from
that
30-day
period.
So,
more
importantly,
the
substitution
clause
also
kicks
in
so
I
can.
I
can
put.
I
can
post
a
political
sign
on
my
property
right
now.
M
L
M
F
M
L
M
The
substitution
clause,
the
entire
any
type
of
sign
regulation
that
any
city
imposes,
whether
it
be
commercial
signs
or
other
type
of
political
signs.
You
have
to
be
able
to
substitute.
In
other
words,
if
I
have
a
regulation
that
says
commercial
signs
can
be
located
on
a
property.
You
know
three
times
a
year
at
x,
size.
I
have
to
be
able
to
substitute
in
political
speech
and
put
politician
and
say,
political
signs
can
go
in
the
same
manner.
Under
the
substitution
clause.
B
E
B
O
O
G
G
B
P
So,
let's
start
with
a
bit
of
historical
context.
Cannabis
use
for
mental
medicinal
purposes
became
legal
in
1996.
in
2016.
Voters
passed
proposition
64,
which
legalized
cannabis
use
for
those
21
and
older
for
non-medicinal,
or,
as
it's
now
known,
adult
use
city
council
adopted
an
ordinance
in
november
of
2017
to
allow
for
certain
cannabis
business
activities,
including
one
medical
retailer.
P
P
In
december,
2019
city
council
amended
the
cannabis
ordinance
to
allow
for
one
additional
medicinal
cannabis
retailer
and
selected
leaf
dispensary
who
had
applied
during
the
original
application
process.
This
ordinance
amendment
also
included
a
provision
to
allow
for
medicinal
and
adult
use
cannabis
deliveries
into
the
city
to
align
with
state
law
requirements
in
february
of
2022.
Both
operators
opened
their
door
to
the
public.
P
Shortly
after
opening
their
doors,
both
operators
contacted
city
staff
with
concerns
about
the
medicinal
only
requirement
and
requested
an
amendment
to
the
ordinance.
They
both
reported
that
a
large
percentage
of
people
who
enter
their
business
leave
due
to
the
medicinal
only
requirement
and
state
that
they
will
purchase
from
another
dispensary
in
the
region
or
have
adult
use
cannabis
delivered
to
their
home.
Tonight.
We
will
come
cover
some
of
the
differences
between
medicinal
and
adult
use,
cannabis,
retail,
the
changing
landscape
of
cannabis
and
the
specific
concerns
of
the
operators.
P
So,
first,
let's
talk
about
the
difference
between
selling
medicinal
and
adult
use
cannabis.
While
the
products
sold
are
exactly
the
same
for
medicinal
and
adult
use,
there
are
differences
between
the
two
types
of
purchasers.
A
medicinal
patient
must
have
a
recommendation
from
a
doctor
and
be
18
years
old.
Medicinal
patients
who
have
a
medical
card
do
not
pay
sales
tax
and
can
purchase
a
larger
purchase.
Larger
quantities
than
an
adult
use.
P
When
the
city
began
discussing
potential
cannabis,
businesses
in
town,
adult
use,
dispensaries
were
only
in
under
consideration
by
other
cities
in
the
region.
None
have
been
approved
or
established.
Medical
cannabis
dispensaries
were
commonplace,
since
only
a
year
had
passed
since
the
legalization
of
adult
use
cannabis.
P
At
the
time,
the
two
operators
were
confident
that
the
business,
the
medical
only
business
model
would
work
more
than
four
years
after
the
initial
ordinance
adoption.
Four
other
cities
in
ventura
county
now
allow
for
both
medicinal
and
adult
youth
sales
in
their
respective
jurisdictions,
ojai
oxnard,
port,
wineme
and
ventura.
P
Additionally,
simi
valley
is
currently
currently
reviewing
information
for
consideration.
Oops.
I
went
too
fast.
Sorry,
I
skipped
my
head
on
my
slide
so
state.
Looking
at
the
licensing
throughout
the
state,
you
can
see
that
medicinal
cannabis
retailers
are
rare
of
931
retail
operations.
Only
18
dispensaries
are
medicinal,
only
that's
less
than
2
percent
of
retailers
of
those
18
licenses.
Two
are
the
thousand
oaks
dispensaries.
P
In
2019,
in
response
to
state
law,
city
council
amended
the
cannabis
ordinance
to
allow
deliveries
of
both
medicinal
and
adult
use
cannabis
from
outside
the
city.
After
some
work
by
city
staff
and
the
thousand
oaks
police
department,
the
city
has
gained
compliance
with
nine
companies
who
have
registered
to
deliver
in
thousand
oaks.
While
there
is
some
vetting
of
these
delivery
operations,
it
is
not
to
the
same
extent
as
with
our
local
dispensaries.
P
While
we
were
able
to
inspect
and
audit
our
local
dispensaries
and
require
background
checks
of
employees,
we
are
unable
to
do
so
with
those
delivering
from
other
jurisdictions.
Our
brick
and
mortar
locations
hire
employees
that
provide
advice
on
product
and
dosage,
while
delivery
orders
are
mainly
placed
online
with
little
guidance.
P
Our
local,
brick
and
mortar
locations
must
utilize
the
state's
track
and
trace
program
to
ensure
product
safety.
While
the
companies
licensed
to
deliver
two
thousand
oaks
have
the
same
requirement
per
state
law.
We
are
unable
to
verify,
and
also
unsure
of
illicit
companies
delivering
without
a
city
or
state
license
to
operate.
The
local,
brick
and
mortar
dispensaries
provide
better
product
safety
assurances
to
their
customers.
P
So,
while
tax
revenue
has
never
been
an
influential
factor
for
city
council
as
it
relates
to
cannabis,
I
would
be
remiss
not
to
include
some
tax
information,
while
the
two
local
operators
were
not
yet
in
business.
I
can
report
that
the
city
received
122
000
dollars
last
fiscal
year
in
cannabis.
Tax
revenue
based
on
deliveries
with
a
4
tax
rate
that
equates
to
over
3
million
dollars
in
sales.
The
actual
sales
figure
is
likely
much
higher
due
to
the
possibility
of
delivery
companies
operating
without
a
thousand
oaks
license
or
paying
thousand
oaks
cannabis
tax.
P
P
So
each
of
the
operators
submitted
ladders
which
were
included
in
the
supplemental
packet.
I'll
summarize
the
challenges
they
reported.
First,
they
reported
that
the
medicinal
only
model
is
driving
away
customers,
a
large
percentage
of
the
people
who
come
into
this
dispensaries
leave
when
they
learn
about
the
medicinal.
The
medical
card
requirement
noting
cost
time
and
privacy
concerns
as
reasons
for
not
obtaining
the
medical
card
with
medicinal,
only
retailers
being
very
uncommon.
Customers
are
upset
and
confused
by
the
requirement.
P
They
also
report
that
they
are
unable
to
compete
in
the
marketplace
with
deliveries
of
adult
use
cannabis
into
thousand
oaks.
This
has
given
people
an
alternative
to
avoid
the
medical
recommendation
and
the
two
thousand
oaks
operators
may
only
deliver
to
medical
patients,
while
those
operating
outside
of
the
city
may
deliver
two
thousand
oaks
without
they
may
deliver
adult
use
cannabis
to
a
thousand
oaks
residents.
L
L
Okay-
and
I
was
sitting
in
the
audience
when
that
happened,
and
I
remember
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
when
they
came
forth
with
the
medicinal
request,
council
made
it
clear
that
this
is
no
guarantee
that
adult
use
would
be
put
forth
and
granted.
If
it
came
up
at
a
later
time.
Is
that
your
recollection
as
well.
Q
Q
All
the
different
licenses
that
are
under
cannabis
as
a
whole
and
then
as
we
went
through
that,
then
we
decided
or
council
decided
that
they
would
allow,
at
the
time
medical
dispensaries
two
or
at
least
initially
one
and
a
testing
laboratory,
and
then
that,
as
you
heard
from
earlier
today,
we
changed
that
to
amend
it
to
two
medicinal
dispensaries
and
two
testing
laboratories.
So
currently
that
is
what's
permitted.
Q
L
Not
counsel,
and
again
I
sat
in
the
audience.
My
recollection
is
that
when
they
applied
for
a
medicinal
adult
recreational
was
not
an
option.
It
was
made
clear
to
them
that
this
is
no
guarantee
that
if
recreational
is
submitted
for
that,
they
would
be
able
to
get
it,
and
they
all
said.
Yes,
we
were
okay
with
that.
Q
E
If
I
might
add
to
that,
councilmember
mcnamee
the
council,
at
that
time,
had
a
menu
of
choices
in
front
of
them,
as
every
city
in
the
state
had,
and
every
city
had
to
take
affirmative
action
on
that
menu
of
options
and
it
included
things
from
commercial
cultivation,
adult
use,
medicinal
and
testing
facilities,
and
so
the
council
went
through
the
process
of
identifying
where
they
wanted
to
to
permit
that
activity
and
they
at
that
time
landed
on
medicinal
dispensaries
and
testing
facility
came
later.
If
I
remember
correctly,.
Q
L
P
P
L
My
argument
is
that
this
was
looked
at
as
a
revenue
generator
for
the
state,
the
county
and
the
cities,
and
they
taxed
quite
a
bit
on
it,
thus
forcing
it
underground.
So
that
way,
if
someone
doesn't
have
the
money
to
go
in
and
pay,
the
additional
tax
you've
got
two
purchasers
out
there:
those
that
are
high
quality
high
end,
which
is
what
we're
discussing
tonight
with
these
two
dispensaries.
L
Then
you
have
the
street
value
underground
market
that
they
were
trying
to
eliminate,
but
they
increased
the
taxes
by
what
26
percent
you
say,
and
it
makes
it
tough
to
compete.
When
you
drive
up
the
price
people
will
vote
and
with
their
pocketbook
on
their
feet
to
purchase
the
lesser
price
one
that
was
my
question
mayor.
Thank
you.
O
However,
if
I
recall-
maybe
you
recall
this
too
patrick
recreational
did
come
up,
but
we
felt
at
the
time
that
was
a
little
too
big
of
a
step
to
take,
but
I
think
we
did
say
we
would
review
it.
I
don't
remember
the
time
frame.
Maybe
it
was
18
months
or
something
in
the
future,
but
because
it
took
a
considerably
longer
time
than
we
thought
to
get
these
dispensaries
up.
We
never
really
had
the
chance
to
review
it
now.
If
the
dispensaries
have
come,
you
know
gone
into
action
sooner
than
they
did.
Q
M
Q
And
with,
of
course,
with
the
help
of
the
police
department,
with
the
help
of
our
consultant,
we
wanted
to
analyze
the
initial
impacts
from
one
dispensary
and
for
various
reasons
which
we've
talked
about
numerous
times
in
the
past,
that
dispensary
legendary
organics
that
received
their
first
permit
permission
for
to
open
up
did
not
open
up
immediately
and
now
we're
20
22.
we've
had
the
wonderful
opportunity
that
both
dispensaries
have
now
opened
and
the
landscape
has
changed,
certainly
in
some
way
so
fair.
M
Q
B
B
Apparently,
there's
there's
problems
with
retention
of
customers
because
of
our
restrictions
on
the
medical
side.
That's
why
we're
we're
here
tonight.
Have
there
been
any
other
issues
in
terms
of
competition
from
other
delivery
services,
or
is
that
been
a
problem
you
mentioned?
We
have
about
estimated
3
million
in
sales
in
town.
P
Earlier
on,
there
were
some
sting
operations
by
a
thousand
oaks
police
department
and
that's
mostly
how
we
were
able
to
gain
compliance
on
the
deliveries.
And,
yes,
we,
three
million
dollars
in
sales,
is
estimated
for
last
fiscal
year,
just
based
on
the
tax
that
we
collected.
However,
we
can't
assure
be.
We
can't
be
certain
that
we
have
compliance
from
all
the
delivery
companies
that
deliver
to
our
region.
P
There
are
several
los
angeles,
county-based
dispensaries
who
very
likely
deliver
here,
but
we
wouldn't
have
knowledge
of
it
unless
we
we
saw
them
or
had
something
delivered
to
us.
So
it's
very
very
likely
that
that
tax
that
dollar
sales
dollar
amount
is
much
higher
than
the
three
million
dollars.
So
I
imagine
that
would
create
a
pretty
significant
competition
to
our
brick
and
mortar
dispensaries.
Q
Q
And
when
that
happened,
we
amended
our
code
and
one
of
the
first
things
we
did.
Is
we
actually
sent
out
letters
to
the
various
dispensaries
that
we
knew
about
in
the
various
regions,
la
santa
barbara
and
the
reason?
Why
is
we
wanted
them
to
know
that
we
actually
had
a
ordinance
on
the
books
and
that
there
was
a
requirement
to
follow
our
ordinance
and
that
allowed
again?
It
was
an
effort
to
try
to
make
sure
that
they
had
some
type
of
compliance,
and
we
wanted
to
do
that.
B
Q
Certainly,
I
I
can't
speak
for
the
chief
of
police,
but
we
have
I'm
not
aware
of
any
as
far
as
negative
issues
whatsoever.
I
we
have
been
to
this
site.
Staff
has
been
to
the
site.
We
worked
well
with
them
as
far
as
tenant
improvements
with
both
with
both
operators,
they've
been
very
cooperative.
In
that
sense,
the
security
system
certainly
very
well
receptive
to
police's
suggestions
when
we
had
those
initial
meetings
before
they
opened,
and
so
for
all
of
that,
that's
all
been
above
bored
and
very
clear.
B
B
N
Yes,
I'm
not
sure
if
I
have
three
questions
but
I'll
that'll
be
the
limit.
I
was
reading
in
the
supplemental
packet
that
there
was
one
extreme
case
of
someone
smoking
marijuana
all
day,
long
outside
and
impacting
his
neighbor
for
18
months
to
where
the
neighbor
had
to
close.
The
windows
had
air
conditioning
running
all
this
time,
and
I
mean
that
is
pretty
extreme.
N
It
was
unwilling
to
work
with
a
neighbor
and
finally
moved
away,
but
it
took
18
months
of
really
not
being
able
to
go
outside
into
your
backyard,
and
my
question
is
for
the
city
attorney
as
well,
perhaps
as
the
chief.
What
can
one
do
in
a
situation
like
that
appeal
to
the
apcd,
but
I
mean
the
marijuana.
Business
itself
has
to
comply
with
epa
regulations,
but
when
somebody
is
incessantly
smoking
outside
to
the
point
where
you
cannot
use
your
own
backyard,
what
happens.
Q
You
might
recall
that
a
number
of
years
ago,
probably
over
a
decade
now
we,
this
council,
adopted
a
smoking
ordinance
and
cannabis,
like
any
other
type
of
weed
or
tobacco
has
to
follow,
comply
or
individuals
have
to
comply
with
that
smoking
ordinance
also
under
the
state
law
for
cannabis.
You
cannot
ingest
it
in
like,
for
example,
at
a
school
or
nearest
near
school
unless,
for
example,
there's
an
exception.
Q
You
have
that
situation
where
they're
going
to
smoke
that
weed
or
cigarette
in
their
backyard,
which
is
it
with
their
right
under
even
under
our
smoking
code.
They
can
do
that
and
again
that
goes
back
to
more
of
a
unfortunate
situation.
We
have
them
in
other
issues
too,
where
you
have
a
person
who's,
just
a
bad
person
or
a
mean
person
and
and
not
respectful
to
other
people's
neighbors
concerns.
N
Q
An
ability
to
go
after
a
neighbor,
for
example,
based
on
actions
that
the
neighbor
is
doing.
You
see
that
usually
with
you
call
it
like
the
spite
wall.
That
would
be
a
perfect
example,
where
someone's
doing
something
with
the
wall
and
putting
it
next
on
the
next
door's
property,
or
maybe
creating
too
much
noise
and
just
doing
things.
Q
And
unfortunately
we
have
those
situations,
rare
in
thousand
oaks,
but
they
do
happen,
and
that
is
when
you
have
two
neighbors
disputing
and
it's
definitely
a
private
dispute
and
it's
usually
taken
where
they
one
of
them
has
to
go
to
court,
whether
they
can
establish
a
cause
of
action.
It's
up
to
them
to
see.
If
that
would
work.
L
Thank
you
mayor.
I
noticed
in
the
report.
You
dealt
mostly
with
the
o
regulatory
aspects
of
this
product,
the
consumer
side,
the
revenue
side,
but
I
didn't
see
anything
in
your
report
regarding
the
adverse
effects
of
cannabis
use,
giving
example
cannabis
used
four
more
times
a
week
for
10
years,
results
in
an
addictive
behavior
from
that
point
forward,
or
heavy
chronic
use
of
cannabis
results
in
some
seventy
percent
of
cognitive
function
in
those
people.
L
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
report,
so
we're
all
talking
about
great
revenue,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
wanted
to
legalize
this
in
sacramento,
because
we're
missing
out
on
all
this
and
if
we
legalize
it
it'll
stop
the
underground
black
market,
which
has
not
happened.
In
fact,
it's
made
it
worse
because
when
you
tax
something
26
percent,
the
price
is
out
of
the
market.
For
many
of
those
people
that
could
have
afforded
seven
and
a
quarter
percent
sales
tax,
but
now
it's
26
and
they
really
don't
care
about
the
quality.
L
L
But
I
didn't
see
that
in
your
report,
because
I've
provided
in
a
packet
to
counsel
here
a
lot
of
the
research
studies
that
have
shown
that
there
is
some
adverse
effects
of
using
cannabis
and
there's
some
beneficial
effects,
thus
the
medicinal
that
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of.
Why
was
that
omitted
out
of
the
report,
because
that
affects
and
weighs
in
on
council's
decision,
just
not
from
a
regulatory
or
an
income
level,
because
we're
impacting
the
people
here
in
thousand
oaks
by
making
it
more
available.
Q
Sure
first,
I
would
say
that
when
we
initially
looked
at
cannabis,
staff
was
directed
by
council
and
the
city
manager's
office
to
investigate
colorado.
For
example,
knowing
that
colorado
was
one
of
the
first
states,
the
primary
state
of
the
of
our
nation
to
address
cannabis
and
to
permit
it,
and
in
fact
staff
did
that
staff
also
attended
seminars
with
the
ventura
county,
behavior
health,
and
when
we
presented
the
various
points
on
cannabis,
pros
and
cons.
Q
A
lot
of
that
information
was
provided
to
council
before
the
decision
was
made.
That
included
the
pros
and
cons,
as
you
just
mentioned,
what
cannabis
can
and
cannot
do
and
the
literature
that
is
out
there,
and
I
won't
speak
today
about
the
literature-
that's
out
there,
because
we
can
be
here
all
night
about
whether
any
of
that
literature
is
accurate
or
not
accurate.
Q
It's
not
about
whether
or
not
people
should
be
going
there
and
and
trying
to
learn
about
cannabis
or
take
cannabis
again.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
for
medicinal,
it's
18
or
older,
with
a
card
for
adult
use
which
is
what's
before
you
tonight,
is
21
or
older,
so
you
have
adult
use
being
requested
for
the
request
for
the
initiation.
Q
Q
L
The
disagreement
lays
in
the
fact
that
in
the
1960s
and
70s
canada's
active
ingredient,
thc
was
six
percent,
sometimes
lower
through
great
biochemistry
and
breeding
of
the
different
plants
we're
now
up
to
twenty
five
to
thirty
percent
active
ingredient.
This
is
not
the
same
drug
that
was
available
in
the
1960s
and
70s.
R
L
And
you're
speaking
to
it
only
being
a
regulatory
issue
tonight-
and
I
disagree
because
this
actually
weighs
into
whether
or
not
we
should
approve
this
for
recreational
use
because
we're
making
it
more
available
in
our
community
and
you're,
addressing
it
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
I'm
addressing
it
from
do.
We
really
want
this
in
our
community,
because
I
agree
with
you
that
there
are
some
good
studies
that
show
that
there's
potential
for
medicinal
use
to
treat
actual
pathology
using
marijuana
and
the
active
narcotic
ingredient
thc.
L
L
But
your
report
left
out
all
the
adverse
effects
and
do
we
want
this
in
our
community,
because
this
will
capture
the
hearts
and
minds
of
our
teenagers.
And
I
guarantee
you
as
an
instructor
at
ventura
college
that
when
it
happens
at
the
college
level,
it
works
its
way
down
to
the
high
school
and
from
the
high
school
to
the
elementary
schools.
L
And
it
just
doesn't
stop
because
we
as
a
body
say
it's
only
for
21
and
over.
It
makes
its
way
down
the
chain
all
the
way
down
to
our
youth,
and
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
our
youth
having
opportunity
to
survive
and
thrive
to
find
their
purpose
in
life
and
get
their
feel
good
out
of
service
to
others
and
not
out
of
a
drug
called
marijuana
which
has
been
documented
to
have
adverse
effects
and
cause
major
problems
with
those
that
consume
it
and
consume
it
irresponsibly.
L
L
Then
they're
going
to
really
struggle
and
may
go
out
of
business
myself
as
a
business
owner.
I
can
tell
you
I
can
see
what
their
model
is
at
right
now,
and
this
is
not
a
good
place
for
them
to
be
okay,
and
thus
this
is
a
do
or
die
situation
for
them
right
now
and,
unfortunately,
we're
looking
at
it
from
a
regulatory
income
level
to
do
you
is
there.
L
Why
was
this
not
included
other
than
you
saying
that?
Oh
we
just
want
to
look
at
this
as
a
regulatory
we
talked
about
it
in
2017..
It
should
have
been
here
today
with
a
literature
search,
a
review
to
look
at
all
the
aspects,
because
this
is
a
big
step
that
we're
taking
here
in
our
community.
Why
is
it
not
in
there
and
do
we?
We
should
have
it
in
there.
In
my
opinion,
your
thoughts.
E
So
I'm
going
to
jump
in
really
quick
here
and
just
reframe
some
of
the
things
that
patrick
was
saying-
and
some
of
these
questions
I
think,
are
probably
great
questions
for
our
for
our
applicants.
Here,
they're
they're
in
this
this
industry,
the
voters
of
the
state
of
california,
voted
in
the
legalization
of
marijuana
and
so
thus
put
city
councils
across
the
state
in
a
position
of
having
to
make
a
determination
what
patrick
shared
was
at
the
outset.
We
went
that
extra
step
further
new
with
all
of
this
and
brought
that
information
through
it
is
not.
E
We
do
not
run
a
public
health
department,
it's
not
a
component
of
our
business.
We
provided
that
as
ancillary
information
to
the
council,
but
we
are
now
well
down
a
path
of
legalization
over
850,
adult
use,
dispensaries
in
the
state
of
california
and
so
from
and
legalized
delivery
across
the
state
and
so
from
a
from
a
use
standpoint.
E
E
L
Again,
you
point
to
other
cities
throughout
california.
Have
this
before
them
again:
camarillo
moore
park,
simi
valley
have
not
moved
in
this
direction
at
all,
and
yet
port
waiani
ojai
oxnard
have
for
various
reasons.
So
it's
one
where
it's
up
to
the
individual
cities.
Do
we
want
that
in
our
city
as
the
question
here
before
us?
Not
regulatory,
can
they
do
it?
Do
they
do
a
good
job,
they're
quality
companies
I
took
tours
through
them?
They
do
a
very
good
job
with
what
they
have
on
a
medicinal
level.
B
B
B
B
O
O
M
And
actually
you'll
recall
the
the
gist
of
the
conversation
that
the
council
had
again.
You
did
discuss
the
pros
and
the
cons,
the
medical
pros
and
the
cons
of
cannabis,
and
the
at
least
my
recollection
is
the
highest
concern.
The
biggest
concern
was
access
for
patients
who
needed
it
for
medical
purposes.
So,
despite
considering
the
medical
pros
and
cons
of
cannabis
which
were
discussed
back,
then
council
decided
to
permit
its
use.
M
So
at
this
point
the
city
council
has
adopted
a
policy
they've
adopted
a
regulation
and
staff's
role
is
to
implement
that
regulation,
which
we
have
done.
The
question
now
is
whether
the
council
wants
to
expand
the
additional
sales
of
cannabis,
so
the
pros
and
cons
were
discussed.
They
were
just
discussed
many
years
ago.
L
I
know-
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
certain
members
were
not
on
the
council
and
I'm
just
saying
it
should
have
been
forward
now.
We
already
had
a
comment
in
the
presentation:
wonderful
presentation
about
122
000
in
sales
tax
was
collected
by
out-of-city
deliveries
and
the
the
purpose
of
presenting
that
is
that
we're
losing
out
a
lot
of
revenue
here
that
we're
missing
out
on
sales
tax,
it's
going
elsewhere,
because
we
could
capture
even
more
if
it
was
sold
here.
That's
my
interpretation
of
why
this
is
being
encouraged.
B
S
E
E
P
E
And
the
other
piece
that
I
want
to
mention
and-
and
jamie
can
probably
speak
to
this-
that
when
the
council
discussed
doing
a
standalone
tax-
and
we
talked
with
the
professionals
involved
in
that
a
lot
of
that
was
with
an
unknown
coming
into
the
community
and
then
potential
law
enforcement
impacts,
associated
and
other
things.
With
that.
It
was
looking
at
opportunities
to
ensure
that
we
had
adequate
funding
to
to
address
those
things.
D
B
D
B
L
Mr
boscarino
question
for
you
yeah.
I
was
over
at
a
function
talking
to
one
of
the
council
members
from
port
wineme
who
was
boasting
about
what
a
great
tax
a
great
financial
incentive.
It
was
to
have
legalization
of
marijuana
there
in
the
city
because
they
were
able
to
bring
in
quite
a
bit
of
money
for
marijuana
sales.
Do
we
have
any
projected
ideas
to
what
those
dollars
are
going
to
be
here
in
thousand
oaks?
If
we
do
move
forward
with
recreational
use,.
O
But
the
city
of
port,
juan
amy,
took
a
totally
different
approach
to
this
than
we
did.
They
consciously
made
a
mission
to
become
the.
What
do
you
want
to
call
it
the
green
capital
ventura
county?
They
want,
they
want
tourism,
they
want
people
coming
to
their
city
to
purchase
this
stuff.
So
I
mean
we're,
that's
not
what
we're
doing
and.
B
T
A
couple
of
quick
reactions
to
your
your
cons.
Your
your
points
is
the
following
that
in
the
cities
in
this
county
that
have
not
adopted
an
ordinance
to
allow
for
dispensing
of
cannabis
product
in
those
cities.
Of
course,
there
have
been
no
business.
People
that
have
invested
in
putting
a
product
together
within
a
a
tenant,
improved
location
thousand
oaks,
obviously
approved
an
original
applicant
and
a
second
applicant,
and
both
of
those
companies
have,
in
fact,
based
upon
the.
T
Adoption
of
the
ordinance
went
ahead
and
built
out
facilities.
That
are,
I
think,
most
of
you,
if
not
all,
have
toured
toward
these
places,
recognize
that
they've
done
a
very
upscale
quality
job
in
in
converting
their
properties
into
something
that
is
not
just
a
storefront
type
of
operation
and
would
not
therefore,
encourage
people
who
are
less
than
thoughtful.
With
respect
to
the
utilization
of
this,
the
this
product
normally
come
through.
T
Subsequent,
actually,
I
believe
it
was
just
three
days
later.
The
state
regulators
changed
the
rules
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
state
permitted
deliveries
of
adult
and
medicinal
product
anywhere
within
the
state,
whether
you
were
in
a
municipality
that
had
approved
an
ordinance
or
a
municipality
that
had
declined
to
undertake
such
such
approval.
T
T
T
T
Sell
adult
product
it's
still
going
to
be
distributed
and
still
going
to
be
sold
in
thousand
oaks.
It
just
won't
be
done
by
them
and
what
you
ultimately
probably
end
up
with
is
that
these
facilities
will
not
have
the
ability
financial
ability
to
sustain
themselves
and
therefore,
these
two
very
quality
businesses
and
locations
will
not
be
able
to
provide
the
quality
and
the
service
that
that
you
that
took
the
council.
You
weren't
on
the
council
of
the
time,
but
that
the
council
anticipated
that
the
council
expected.
Thank
you,
mr
from
these
businesses,
so.
B
T
Hear
from
mr
mcfarland.
Thank
you.
That's
sorry
mayor.
I
went
way
off
script,
but
I
I.
I
really
think
that
that
the
the
the
point
is
has
has
now
been
made.
If
you
have
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
respond.
If
you
have
technical
questions,
we
have
the
manager
of
the
legendary
office
here
and
we
have
the
principal
manager,
mr
davis,
here,
to
be
able
to
respond.
Thank.
T
S
Thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
city
staff
for
your
hard
work
appreciate
this.
My
name
is
david
mcfarland,
I'm
with
the
leaf
dispensary
here
in
town.
We
opened
our
our
doors
in
february
of
this
year,
and
I
stand
here
in
support
of
the
staff
report.
We
initiated
the
initial
call
to
let
them
know
what
what
was
going
on,
what
the
scope
of
the
feedback
we
were
getting
from
the
customers
right
out
of
the
right
right
out
of
the
gate.
So
when
we
started
this
process
in
2017,
a
lot
has
changed.
S
A
lot
of
them
are
in
just
in
awe.
They
don't
even
know
what
that
is,
because
they
they
they're
so
have
come
accustomed
to
just
showing
they're,
simply
showing
their
id
and
having
access
to
pretty
much
every
facility
that
they
have
ever
been
to.
So
we
try
to
explain
to
them.
You
know
why
it
is
that
they
have
to
take
these
steps
so.
S
S
So
at
that
time
you
know
being
coming
from
the
medical
cannabis
industry
since
2007
and
that's
all
we
ever
had.
We
didn't
think
there
was
going
to
be
that
big
of
a
push
back
from
our
customers
right
now,
as
as
it
stands,
we're
seeing
about
a
50
percent
walk
out,
and-
and
this
isn't
I
mean
a
50
walkout-
is
from
people
that
need
medical
marijuana
and
use
medical
marijuana,
but
just
refuse
to
get
a
recommendation.
They
just
they
some
of
the
comments.
S
S
They
they're
making
comments
like
I'm
just
going
to
go,
get
deliveries
at
my
house
like
I've,
been
getting
or
I'm
going
to
go
down
the
hill
to
portland
me
or
over
to
woodland
hills.
So
the
access
to
cannabis
is
here.
It's
happening.
I
mean,
as
I
speak
right
now.
Deliveries
of
adult
use,
cannabis
are
being
delivered
right
now
in
our
city,
brick
and
mortar,
or
the
fixed
location,
is
a
much
safer
way
of
accessing
cannabis.
I'm
not
here
to
convince
anybody
that
that
cannabis
is
good
or
to
change
your
mind
on
anything,
but
it's
there.
S
It's
it's
happening.
Delivery
services
are
we
have
what
nine
well?
We
did
a
search
here
just
for
just
a
regular
internet
search,
70
pages
right
here,
top
best
medical
marijuana
and
recreational
dispensaries
and
thousand
oaks.
96
delivery
services
offer
their
services
in
the
community
and
only
nine
have
applied
for
the
license.
Only
nine
of
them
have
taken
the
steps
that
the
ordinance
requires,
so
the
overabundance
of
illegal
deliveries
going
on
is
is
jaw-dropping.
S
When
I
opened
up
my
northern
california
location,
actually
central
california,
in
lompoc
we
were
the
first
recreational
cannabis
dispensary
in
the
whole
county
of
santa
barbara
within
one
month
and
prior
to
that
there
was
no
dispensaries
anywhere
in
that
region
and
the
delivery
services
were
thriving.
It
was
just
that's
what
everyone
was
was
feeding
off
of
and
after
one
month
of
opening
our
doors,
five
of
the
top
delivery
services
packed
up
and
left,
they
didn't
go
out
of
business.
They
just
moved
to
another
area,
another
region
that
didn't
allow
brick
and
mortar
dispensaries.
S
S
We
had
we.
We
started
a
a
support
log.
I
guess
you
could
call
it
wasn't
a
petition,
but
just
for
people
coming
through
our
door
and
in
in
a
little
over
a
month
we
have
over
800
signatures
that
I
submitted
to
the
supplemental
packet.
It
wasn't
we
weren't
out
beating
the
streets
trying
to
get
signatures.
It
was
just
people
coming
in
that
most
of
them
refused
to
get
their
recommendation
and
just
did
an
about
face
and
said.
No,
I
don't
think
so.
A
lot
of
the
the
concerns
was
privacy.
They
didn't
want.
S
S
They
just
think
they're
on
a
database
and
it
isn't
true,
but
they
don't
understand
it
so
the
difference,
but
in
my
opinion,
the
difference
between
adult
use
and
and
medical
is
merely
just
a
simple
piece
of
paper.
That's
it
just
the
the
entry
process
to
get
in
the
facility,
the
the
fifty
percent
of
people
that
are
walking
out.
Are
they
just
putting
up
their
hands
and
saying
no
we're
not
going
to
get
cannabis?
S
S
The
products
that
we
sell
are
tested.
You
know,
as
we
said,
we
everything
goes
through
the
proper
channels.
It's
tracked
from
seed
to
sale.
It
goes
through
the
state
mandated
testing.
It's
in
a
safe
safety
package,
sealed
child
resistant.
We
put
warning
labels
on
them.
It
has
all
the
different
contents,
so
I
don't
need
to
get
into
that.
We
kind
of
know
that,
but
all
we're
asking
for
right
now
is
a
chance
to
equal
opportunity,
the
same
that
the
delivery
services
have
they
can.
S
O
S
If
you
actually
take
your
doctor's
recommendation,
like
the
doctor,
writes
your
recommendation
and
you
take
that
recommendation
and
you
go
to
the
public,
the
public
health
department,
the
county
health
department,
and
apply
for
your
state's
medical
card,
which
now
you
go
into
a
database
now
it
actually
is
like
a
license
with
a
number
so
that,
if
you
do
that,
you
take
that
step.
Then
you
get
to
save
this.
S
O
S
O
S
S
Same
product,
same
growers,
same
packaging,
same
delivery,
same
cost,
identical
same
manifest
from
seed
to
sale.
We
put
it
in
our
metric
system,
it's
the
exact
same
thing
and
I've
done
it
for
goleta.
I
went
from
medical
to
recreational.
It's
no
di.
It's
no
difference
other
than
just
the
barrier
to
get
in
yeah.
S
Oh,
the
clientele.
Oh
that's
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Actually,
we
did
a
little
poll
and
it
was,
I
think
it
was
north
of
80
percent
of
the
recreational
or
adult
use
cannabis
users
that
were
still
coming
in
and
accessing
their
medicine
for
medicinal
purposes.
It
was
just
easier
and
it
saved
the
money
and
so
and
another
thing
that
what
we
have
too
is
knowledgeable
staff.
We
have
staff
on
site.
That
knows
how
to
recommend
certain
products
right.
R
S
Always
recommend
micro,
dosing,
starting
small.
You
know
talking
about
overdosing
and
things
like
that
and
people
doing
it
wrong,
just
because
they
they
don't
have
the
proper
guidance.
So
we
go
through.
Have
our
staff
go
through
training
weekly
on
new
products
that
are
coming
out
and
how
to
recommend
the
right
products
for
our
customers.
O
Yeah
I
mean
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
when
we
first
agreed
to
this,
it
was
based
on
humanitarian
reasons.
You
know
we
had
a
lot
of
people
testify
mostly
seniors
saying
you
know
I
don't
want
to
have
to
drive
to
the
valley.
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
a
a
product
that
hasn't
been
tested
and
is
in
quality
right,
and
you
still
have
those
kind
of
people
coming
in
right.
S
O
O
B
B
L
You
mayor
I'll,
leave
this
to
three
questions
and
come
back
if
you
have
some
additional
ones.
Thank
you.
When
I
took
the
tour
of
both
your
facility
and
legends,
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
quality
of
the
interior
beautifully
designed
your
security.
Superb,
your
methodology
on
bringing
in
inventory
and
keeping
accounting
of
it,
and
I
also
saw
that
each
package
of
marijuana
had
a
control
number.
L
L
L
Very
similar
to
what
happens
in
the
pharmaceutical
industry
right.
Okay,
would
you
say
it
was
a
game
changer
when
sacramento
decided
to
allow
deliveries
across
city
lines,
forcing
the
cities
to
recognize
that
marijuana
was
coming
into
our
cities,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
because
they
took
away
the
city's
ability
to
say
we
don't
want
any
deliveries
in
our
city.
Now
that
they're
coming
in,
we
got
to
go
along
with
the
game
here.
Otherwise
we're
going
to
lose
out
on
this
business.
Would
you
say
that
was
a
game
changer.
L
L
But
if
you
don't
get
the
ability
to
do
adult
recreational
use
marijuana,
will
you
be
able
to
survive
financially
just
by
the
medical
marijuana
sales
that
come
in
the
door
or
is
competition
from
deliveries
from
outside
the
city
for
recreational
use,
for
people
who
want
it
for
medicinal
purposes?
Will
that
drive
you
out
of
business.
S
L
And
I'm
glad
you
chose
thousand
oaks,
we
like
to
be
friendly
to
business.
That's
wonderful!
To
the
legends
owner!
My
question
to
you!
Why
did
you
pick
thousand
oaks
versus,
I
believe,
you're,
a
city
council
member?
Why
didn't
you
pick
west
lake
village,
where
you're
a
city
council
member?
Why
thousand
oaks.
R
L
R
R
Theoretically,
that's
one
thing
and
a
lot
of
possibilities
are
are
happening
now,
we're
talking
about
it
in
a
real
reality.
We've
got
two
dispensaries
you
can
see
where
they
are.
You
can
see
that
the
atmosphere
that
you
walk
into
you
can
also
see
that
if
you're
looking
for
information
or
need
information,
legendary
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
pride
ourselves
on.
It's
scientific
based.
You
come
into
our
place.
It's
really
fascinating.
R
R
I
also
have
information
about
abuse
of
of
cannabis,
so
I
have
these
kinds
of
things
in
the
the
kind
of
the
education
you're
talking
about
on
how
you
know
would
staff
or
council?
How
should
they
approach
this?
That's
what
we
do.
We
are
trying
to
change
the
narrative,
we're
trying
to
educate
and
let
people
know
if
you
have
schizophrenia
running
in
your
family.
You
should
not
be
using
this
cannabis
at
all.
That's
one
of
the
things
we
talk
about
pregnancy,
you
shouldn't
be
using
cannabis
if
you're
going
to
be
pregnant
or
nursing.
R
Anything
like
that,
we
give
positive
real
information,
get
rid
of
the
myth,
get
rid
of
the
folklore
and
we
are
able
to
provide
a
safe
product
now.
What's
interesting,
is
even
in
these
delivery
services
or
driving
to
port
juanimi
or
driving
to
woodland
hills.
Those
are
legal
shops
that
are
also
have
the
same
products
we
have
that
are
tested
and
are
and
are
perfectly
safe
in
relationship
to
if
you're
buying
from
a
the
illegal
delivery
service
may
have
legal
cannabis,
but
it
may
not.
R
So
this
is,
as
david
pointed
out,
our
our
concern
right
now
is
to
be
on
the
level
playing
field
with
those
who
are
not
restricted
by
the
the
invasion
of
this
of
this
medical
recommendation,
which,
as
one
point
in
2015,
that's
the
only
way
you
could
get
cannabis
and
now
the
whole
situation
is
on
its
head.
So.
L
S
B
My
my
question
actually
was
related
to
that,
and
you
mentioned
in
your
and
go
ahead.
Mr
mcfarland,
you
had
mentioned
that
your
experience
in
I
believe
was
lompoc
was
that
when
you
came
into
business
and
opened
up
what
I
think,
admittedly,
we
all
all
have
seen
your
businesses.
They
are
look
like
quality
shops.
Once
you
open
some
of
the
more
fly
by
night
delivery,
people
went
elsewhere.
S
Well,
there's
a
directory
where
you,
where
you
advertise
on,
and
we
saw
five
of
the
main
ones,
the
ones
that
were
the
busiest
just
pull
their
ad
and
from
hearsay
through
the
customers.
They
just
packed
up
and
no
longer
were
servicing
that
region
because
they
wanted
to
go
to
another
region
that
didn't
allow
dispensaries.
So
it
was
a.
It
was
easier
for
them
to
to
flourish
on,
I
guess
or
have
their
business.
S
Like,
like
ned
said,
some
of
them
are
following
the
rules.
Some
of
them
have
the
dcc
license
a
good
majority
of
them,
don't
so
they're
they're
still
a
a
very
big
black
market.
There's
you
know,
growers
that
are
growing
hundreds
of
pounds
and
just
under
back
dooring
them
to
these
delivery
services,
so
they're
not
they're,
avoiding
all
the
testing
all
the
taxes.
So
it's
much
easier.
That's
why
they.
You
know
they
have
a
cheaper
price
and
it
puts
the
hurt
on
the
ones
that
are
doing
it
correctly.
S
S
One
more
thing
back
to
when
we
were
going
through
this
process:
it
was
chief
hegel,
they
had
done
sting
operation
and
I
think
it
was
10
or
15
or
20
delivery
services
where
they
set
up
controlled,
buys
and
they
found
nine
out
of
10
of
them
were
not
doing
it
correctly.
They
were
illegal
so
back
to
his
what
he
said
back
in
the
day.
Thank.
O
D
O
O
B
D
I
am
sarah
armstrong.
I
am
the
outreach
chair
for
americans
for
safe
access
founded
in
2002.
We
are
the
nation's
oldest
largest
organization,
representing
medical,
cannabis
patients.
You've
heard
a
lot
of
testimony
tonight
about
the
effect
that
legalization
has
had
on
medical.
I
can
tell
you
from
both
my
experience
and
this
experience
of
my
colleagues.
It's
true
patients
absolutely
prefer
the
ease
of
use
and
privacy
of
not
having
to
acquire
a
doctor's
recommendation.
D
If
you
allow
these
two
shops
to
sell
recreational,
you
are
actually
helping
patients,
you
are
helping
to
maintain
their
privacy,
their
dignity
and
their
way
in
the
world
when
you
are
ill
and
nothing
else
works
but
medical
cannabis,
but
you
still
have
to
work
and
raise
your
kids.
Do
everything
that
you
normally
do?
It
is
a
blessing
to
have
the
privacy
that
simply
showing
your
driver's
license
gives
you,
when
you
go
into
a
dispensary
delivery
services
are
not
always
the
answer
for
patients.
D
If
you
give
these
people
the
opportunity
to
sell
recreational,
they
will
be
as
clean
and
compliant
and
careful
as
they
are
now
and
as
respectful
of
patients.
As
they
have
already
proven
to
be,
I
hope
that
the
council
will
look
beyond
personal
prejudice
or
reports
or
ideas
that
they
have
and
think
about
the
people
of
this
city,
who
would
so
greatly
benefit
from
the
extension
or
the
freedom
of
to
forgo
a
medical
cannabis
recommendation
and
simply
enjoy
the
privacy
of
walking
into
the
store
to
acquire
what
you
need
when
you
need
it.
D
C
Good
evening,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me.
I
am
also
on
the
americans
for
safe
access
advisory
board.
Again,
my
name
is
oliver
summers,
and
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
a
few
things
that
both
my
colleagues
have
said
to
you
this
evening,
one
being
that
the
the
cost
to
the
patient
while
it
seems
like
yes,
you
can
save
this
seven
point,
whatever
percentage
by
being
a
medical
patient,
you
still
have
to
go
and
get
your
medical
car
medical
recommendation
from
your
doctor.
C
The
fly-by-night
doctors
that
were
on
the
beaches
of
venice
and
things
like
that
for
25
are
no
more
available
anymore.
So
therefore,
people
are
having
to
go
to
an
actual
physician
who
are
going
to
be
very
restrictive
due
to
the
ama
about
giving
out
a
medical
card
and
then
that
patient
by
rights
has
to
go
down
to
the
department
of
health,
as
mr
mcfarland
mentioned,
where
they
would
get
the
patient
id
card
for
an
additional
and
eighty
dollars.
C
You
will
be
unable
to
utilize
your
second
amendment
right
and
you
will
have
to
forfeit
your
firearms
people
who
have
been
in
battles
for
their
children
have
been
ruled
against
because
they
were
medical,
medical,
cannabis,
patients,
people
who've
been
trying
to
get
organ
donors
or
get
receive.
An
organ
have
been
banned
because
of
medical
being
a
medical
patient.
So
these
are
more
punishments
than
a
basic
discount.
C
That
one
would
get
from
that
getting
this
card,
so
there's
really
a
lot
of
more
distractions
for
getting
it
than
first
being
recreational
which
would
allow
people
who
are
truly
sick
and
ailing
to
go
in
and
have
safe
access
to
their
product.
I,
for
one
personally
just
had
my
hip
replaced
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
and
I
did
not
touch
one
opiate
that
was
prescribed
to
me.
I
just
used
cannabis
and
has
to
answer
the
other
councilman's
question
about
the
pharmaceutical.
C
I
had
to
go
through
an
experimentation
of
about
four
to
five
different
genetics
before
I
found
the
painkiller
that
worked
for
me
out
of
the
cannabis
strains
so
to
have
a
pharmacist.
Do
it
it
kind
of
defies
the
point
and
we're
not
really
at
that
point
just
yet,
and
my
final
statement
is,
is
while
we've
been
talking,
I
looked
up
just
for
tonight
alone.
There
are
now
22
illicit
cannabis
delivery
services
in
thousand
oaks
that
I
can
order
from
right
at
this
moment
where
you
will
not
be
getting
any
of
the
tax
revenue.
C
B
D
Hello
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
This
evening
my
name
is
seth
backus.
I
am
born
and
raised
here
in
thousand
oaks
and
I
work
in
the
cannabis
industry.
I
am
a
wholesaler,
so
I
supply
all
of
the
dispensaries
in
the
los
angeles
area
and
I
have
not
been
able
to
make
headway
in
thousand
oaks
because
of
the
restrictions
that
are
in
place.
D
R
R
R
The
economics
of
the
cannabis
industry
have
been
known
for
a
long
time
long
before
these
guys
started
building
out
their
stores.
You
know
well
into
the
licensing
period.
I
mean
it's.
It's
I've
been
in
this
business
for
a
long
time.
Recreational
cannabis
licenses
have
always
had
a
higher
value.
They've
always
been
more
valuable.
R
The
two
licenses
the
city
agreed
to
were
under
medical
only
as
described,
and
the
current
licensees
had
full
knowledge
of
that
and
have
this
entire
time
they're
not
new
to
the
cannabis
industry,
and
they
both
told
you
that
so
when
they
applied,
they
knew
what
was
going
on
and
the
several
years
that
it
took
the
city
to
get
through
the
process.
They
still
knew.
R
K
K
I
did
not
apply
because
it
was
a
medical
license
being
offered.
I
went
another
route
I
applied
in
another
city
and
had
a
state's
license
for
a
micro
business.
I
am
registered
and
pay
tax
to
the
city.
These
businesses
have
only
been
open
for
less
what
two
months
guys
now.
I
know
you
have
more
money
than
two
months
worth
of
you
know.
Cushion
business
is
slow
for
everyone.
Marijuana
is
a
discretionary
business.
K
Discretionary
income,
no
one's
got
any
money.
My
business
is
slow
too.
You
know
I
get
it.
You
guys
have
great
up.
You
have
good
operations.
I
applaud
what
you've
done,
but
they
applied
for
a
medical
license,
not
a
recreational
one.
That's
a
big
deal.
You
only
had
six
applications
you
would
have
had
60..
K
Would
you
guys
agree
with
that?
If
it
was
a
medical
license?
Yeah,
I
I
bet
you
don't
want
to
say
yes,
but
we
know
the
answer.
Is
yes,
so
it's
it's!
It's
an
apple
and
an
orange
you're
about
to
give
them
a
million
bucks
here.
Are
you
going
to
do
that
or
not?
Are
you
going
to
open
it
up
to
have
it
be
fair
to
other
operators,
because
I've
lived
in
this
newbury
park
for
10
years?
I
love
this
city.
It's
a
conservative
city.
K
I
understood
why
you
why
you
didn't
allow
them
to
operate
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
because
we're
not
that
type
of
city
we're
not
portland
we're
not
some
of
the
others.
We
didn't
that's
why
I
live
here.
That's
why
we
all
live
here,
because
you
know
we
value
a
certain
ethos
and
you
guys
do
a
good
business
you're
not
doing
anything
wrong.
It's
just
that
you
applied
and
you
have
a
medical
license.
Now
in
a
month
and
a
half
later,
you
need
a
recreational
one
to
be
able
to
survive.
Maybe
you
didn't
plan
properly.
D
A
A
D
D
O
D
O
D
O
O
O
D
O
D
B
A
A
A
A
B
Q
Q
Q
I
will
say
that
these
two
operators
that
we
have
now
leaf
and
legendary
organics
have
just
opened
just
they've
been
open
for
two
months,
so
it's
been
a
long
process
for
them
to
open,
and
but
certainly
it's
within
the
prerogative,
if
council
wants
to
consider
it
now
or
consider
it
later
in
the
future.
After
we
come
back
with
some
additional
information
as
as
time
goes
on,
we
can
certainly
do
that,
but
certainly
that
option
is
within
the
council's
prerogative.
Q
It
is
to
initiate
the
amendment
and
we
would
bring
that
back
to
council
to
allow
adult
use
from
these
two
operations,
so
they
can
sell
adult
use
in
addition
to
medicinal
cannabis,
and
the
second
part
of
that
is,
we
do
need
to
modify
the
zoning
code
under
title
nine,
just
at
the
matrix.
It
does
say
specifically
that
in
the
m1
zone
it's
only
medicinal
cannabis
is
allowed
to
to
operate
there,
and
so
we
would
need
to
amend
that
minor
amendment
in
that
code
in
that
section
as
well.
Q
B
D
O
You
know
I
was
here
the
night
that
we
had
the
public
come
down
and
testify
all
seniors
by
the
way
about
the
the
benefits
that
they
were
receiving
from
cannabis
for
all
kinds
of
ailments.
You
name
it
arthritis.
I
mean
there's
too
many
to
even
name
and
the
the
hardship
for
these
folks
is
that
you
know
they
had
to
drive
to
the
valley
or
they
they
were.
O
O
O
So
I
think
that
really
made
an
impression
on
the
council,
so
we
decided
to
go
with
the
medicinal
marijuana
and
I
I
believe
that
premise
is
still
valid
and
from
listen
to.
Mr
mcfarlane,
when
I
asked
him
the
question
how
many
of
your
clientele
come
in
for
medicinal
purposes,
you
said
80
percent,
and
actually
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
because
that
was
the
original
premise
of
why
we
started
this
in
the
first
place.
O
So
it
seems
to
me
that
threatening
that
by
not
allowing
adult
use
at
the
same
time
would
be
a
loss
for
our
community
and-
and
you
know,
we've
never
wanted
to
be
make
the
cannabis
business.
You
know
core
business
here
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
It
was
merely
to
be
a
service
to
some
of
our
citizens
that
felt
that
they
needed
that
product
to
stay
healthy.
O
That's
all,
and
I
I
welcome
the
idea
of
having
two
very
legitimate
operators
here
in
town
with
with
the
expertise
that
that
you
folks
have
with
the
advice
that
you
can
give
people
with
the
safety
and
and
the
regulations,
that's
involved
with
the
with
the
bricks
and
mortar
shops
that
you
that
you
offer
to
the
community
yeah.
I
think
we're
right
where
we
want
to
be
based
on
our
decision
for
what
I
think
was
four
or
five
years
ago.
O
B
N
L
Mayor
this
whole
process
from
the
time
it
started
with
the
proposition
to
make
medical
marijuana
available
in
our
community
in
our
state
is
what
I
would
call
a
foot
in
the
door
and
has
been
an
incremental
foot
in
the
door
with
every
step
started
with
a
proposition
that
pulled
on
people's
heart
strings,
to
make
medical
marijuana
available
for
those
who
want
to
grow
it
they've
got
cancer.
There's
benefit
from
that,
there's
other
conditions
that
they
can
get
benefit.
Let
the
people
grow,
it
there's
a
limit
on
the
number
of
plants
they
could
have.
L
Then
the
next
foot
in
the
door
was
okay.
Let's
legalize
this
all
right
now,
it's
legalized
for
recreational
use.
Now
we
can
have
the
state
come
in
the
next
foot
in
the
door.
Is
some
cities
do
not
want
to
allow
this
in
their
city
well
to
change
that
the
next
foot
in
the
door
was
allowing
it
to
be
delivered
across
city
lines
and
cities
no
longer
have
control
again.
Thank
you.
Sacramento.
L
L
While
do
we
then
ask
those
that
are
currently
here
that
too,
that
we
have
to
allow
them
also
to
apply
for
recreational
adult
use
and
all
others
also
to
apply.
Then,
if
others
get
that
what
happens
to
the
medical
marijuana
facilities
of
leaf
and
legendary?
Do
they
now
have
to
close
their
doors
or
do
now?
We
have
more
marijuana
facilities,
some
that
are
medical
only
and
some
that
are
recreational
and
or
medical.
L
We
want
adult
use
because
you're
losing
out
on
revenue
here.
People
are
going
to
woodland
hills,
they're,
going
to
oxnard
they're,
going
to
port
juanini
to
purchase
it
or
they're,
going
with
people
that
deliver
illegally
into
our
city
or
some
legally
into
our
city,
we're
losing
out
on
that
tax
revenue,
and
I
know
what
council
members
have
said:
it's
not
a
significant
number
we're
not
doing
this
because
of
tax
revenue.
L
Oh
yes,
we
are
doing
it
because
of
tax
revenue
as
one
of
the
reasons
not
the
sole
reason,
but
we
want
to
keep
the
business
here
in
thousand
oaks
for
jobs
for
business
tax,
for
sales
tax,
and
yet
I
look
at
the
facilities
we
have
right
now.
Legendary
and
leaf
do
a
very
good
job
of
quality
control.
A
nice
facility.
L
L
I
look
at
our
teenagers,
our
elementary
school
students
who
are
getting
access
to
it
already.
How
much
is
this
going
to
impair
them
even
more
that
they
sit
on
the
couch
smoke?
Marijuana
get
their
feel
good
out
of
that,
instead
of
becoming
a
productive
citizen
in
our
society,
learning
a
skill
or
trade
in
service
of
others,
so
they
can
lead
a
productive
life.
L
I
work
as
a
reserve
officer
with
the
lapd,
as
well
as
my
work
in
the
free
clinic
here
with
the
homeless,
as
well
as
the
underserved
and
those
that
are
addicted
to
other
drugs
like
crystal
meth
heroin.
They
all
started
off
with
marijuana
now.
Marijuana
from
a
law
enforcement
standpoint
is
a
gateway
drug
that
doesn't
mean
that
you've
tried
marijuana
you're
moving
into
these
other
drugs
as
well,
but
it
points
out
that
there's
an
issue
at
hand
with
the
individual
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
L
L
Marijuana
has
some
very
good
beneficial
effects
and
treats
certain
type
of
clinical
conditions.
No
argument
there.
There
are
some
nice
studies
out.
More
studies
need
to
be
done,
but
it
also
causes
a
problem
where
people
who
are
psychologically
mentally
imbalanced
biochemically
in
their
brain,
puts
them
over
chronic
use,
causes
abnormal
brain
function.
L
L
L
No
one
ever
brings
those
points
up
about
the
adverse
effects
of
marijuana,
and
it's
documented
very
well
in
the
literature
and
yet
we're
talking
about
this,
as
though
it's
the
six
percent
tch
content
from
the
1960s
and
70s.
It's
now
25
to
30
percent.
We've
got
overdoses,
we
have
people
getting
in
car
accidents.
Just
like
alcohol
marijuana
is
now
doing
it.
Impairing
drivers,
students
dropping
out
of
school,
dropping
out
of
life.
L
This
is
not
a
good
thing.
This
thing
called
marijuana
if
it's
not
done
correctly.
In
the
same
way
that
if
you'd
sell,
oxycontin
vicodin
all
these
wonderful
narcotics
over
the
counter,
instead
of
by
prescription,
only
we're
going
to
have
a
sad
state
of
affairs
in
our
community,
that's
why
oxycontin
vicodin
and
those
type
of
drugs
are
prescribed,
regulated
dispensed.
L
Marijuana
is
a
drug
there's,
a
narcotic,
and
I
am
not
at
all
in
favor
of
legalizing
it
to
say
that
okay,
we're
going
to
bring
it
into
our
city,
allow
these
dispensaries
to
make
it
available
for
recreational
use
simply
because
oh
we've
got
other
cities
around
us
doing
it
it's
coming
in
anyway.
So
let's
jump
on
the
bandwagon,
I
say
no,
and
I
say
to
our
federal
government:
it's
time
that
you
take
control
of
this
issue,
make
it
a
schedule
three
drug
by
the
fda.
L
G
You
know
I
came
on,
I
don't
have
any
prepared
remarks,
but
just
off
the
cuff,
when
I
came
on
the
council,
the
council
had
approved
the
first
medical
site
which
later
came
back
because
they
didn't
like
the
location
and
they
wanted
to
move
when
we
approved
that,
and
then
we
had
a
second
one
that
came
and
and
that
one
was
also
approved.
So
we
we
did
approve
medical
marijuana.
G
I
didn't
know
they
might
have
had
other
purposes
in
their
minds
by
the
way.
I
really
don't
like
the
term
recreational
coming
from
a
park
and
recreation
board,
I
don't
consider
that's
a
good
use
of
the
word
recreational
I'd.
Rather,
you
call
it
pleasure,
marijuana
or
enjoyment
marijuana
when
we
had
an
earlier
item
to
have
a
medical
facility
in
a
more
prominent
part
of
town.
G
G
I
don't
know
not
a
nightclub
exactly,
but
it
was
a
lovely
just
it
looked
like
great
expense
was
gone
to
to
make
this
a
a
place.
That
would
be
very
desirable,
socially,
in
other
words,
not
in
any
way
we're
suddenly
a
drugstore
anyway,
but
that's
not
a
great
reason
to
vote
for
or
against
the
measure
tonight,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
two
things
number
one:
we
hear
that
people
can
get
it
other
places
they
can.
G
I
have
a.
I
have
no
idea
what
the
statistics
are.
If
you
have
both
available
in
the
same
location,
the
same
establishment
who
would
be
more
likely,
I
mean
how
what
proportion
would
it
be
used
for
what
I
would
call
pleasurable
or
enjoyment
marijuana
as
opposed
to
medical?
I,
I
presume
the
people
who
want
what
is
being
called
recreational
would
outnumber
the
medical.
G
G
First
of
all
to
plan
the
city,
mr
cohen,
was
on
that
same
committee
that
I
was
on
and
then
to
do
some
of
the
early
things
you
know
to
provide
the
developers
donate
open
space
to
provide,
we
save
the
oak
trees
and
the
hillsides
etc.
So
I've
always-
and
I
think
everybody
here-
I
don't
question
anybody
else.
I
don't
think
I'm
any
more.
G
G
Implications
than
beneficial
implications-
in
other
words
I
I
don't.
I
don't
put
this
as
a
good
positive
thing
to
do.
My
wife
taught
high
school
for
many
years,
and
I
know
that
that
you
you're
not
open
to
teenagers
with
the
recreational
marijuana,
but
somehow
I
think
they
could
get
it,
and
she
said
the
worst
thing
for
a
teenager's
brain
is
is
to
take
drugs
like
marijuana,
because
it's
hard
enough
for
them
to
concentrate
anyway.
G
B
B
They
they
checked
all
the
boxes.
So
I
think
we
all
agree
that
the
these
two
vendors
are
doing
what
they
need
to
do
to
be
a
proper
purveyor
of
this
of
this
product.
I
can't,
I
can't
fault
them
in
any
way,
so
I
know
that
some
of
the
things
I've
heard
tonight-
and
I
would
disagree-
I
think,
with
some
of
my
council
members,
the
the
recreational
product
is
already
here.
B
B
B
Proposition
it
was
57
42,
more
or
less.
It
was
a
big
yes
on
the
part
of
the
public.
That's
why
we
have
recreational
cannabis
available
to
the
people
in
in
there's.
A
lot
of
discussion
at
that
time
had
to
do
with
whether
it
was
the
money
or
whether
it
was
the
that
it
was
the
new
prohibition.
I
remember
all
these
arguments
going
on
at
the
time,
but
the
people
of
california
came
down
firmly
on
the
side
of
recreational
cannabis
availability
in
california.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
M
Thank
you,
mayor
engler,
I'm
suggesting
at
this
point
because
it
does
look
like
it's
a
two-two
vote.
If
I'm,
my
math
is
correct
council
member
bill
de
la
pena,
she
was
not
here
for
the
testimony,
but
she
can
go
in
the
back
room,
watch
the
testimony
right
now
and
then
come
back
out
and
participate
if
we
just
hold
the
vote
and
abandons
move
on
to
the
next
item
and
work
on
that
item.
And
then,
after
that
item
is
done.
M
L
L
O
O
O
Marijuana
has
been
a
louder
in
our
community
by
the
voters
and
whether
we
approve
of
her
or
not
is
is
almost
irrelevant
and
who
would
approve
children's
smoking
pot.
Of
course,
not
not.
For
that
I'll
remind
the
council
members
that
this
is
an
initiation
of
a
municipal
code
amendment
and
I
think,
there's
enough
evidence
here
to
at
least
allow
the
staff
to
come
back
with
the
amendment
that
we
would
then
ultimately
vote
on
al.
M
Again
that
you
know
for
the
purpose
of
claudia
being
able
to
vote,
she
has
a
the
applicants
and
the
public
have
due
process
rights
to
hear
the
testimony.
That's
being
presented
the
deliberation
among
councils.
Yes,
it's
I
would
like
her
to
hear
it,
but
it's
not
legally
necessary,
it's
legally
necessary
that
she
has
heard
from
the
applicants
and
it's
legally
necessary
that
she's
heard
from
all
of
the
public
speakers,
because
the
public
has
a
right
to
due
process
on
this
issue
and
so
do
the
applicants.
G
O
B
B
I
I
I
In
september
1964
the
community
voted
to
incorporate
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
from
an
unincorporated
county
of
ventura
area.
In
october,
1964
city
council
adopted
the
ventura
county
ordinance
code
as
a
temporary
interim
zoning
ordinance,
and
in
april
2011
city
council
adopted
an
ordinance
amending
sections
of
the
municipal
code,
including
title
ix
planning
and
zoning.
Regarding
the
findings
for
approval
of
a
special
use.
Permit.
I
I
I
I
I
I
And
allowing
concurrent
processing
of
a
special
use
permit
to
allow
a
columbarium
in
conjunction
with
an
existing
religious
facility
located
within
the
rural
exclusive
zone
or
re
zone
upon
initiation
by
the
city
council.
Tonight,
the
community
development
department
staff
will
process
the
mca
to
allow
the
columbarium
use
in
residential
zones.
I
The
special
use
application
will
be
evaluated
for
compliance
with
all
city
standards,
including
operations
and
any
proposed
site
improvements,
and
a
draft
mca
and
sup
will
be
reviewed
together
or
separate
by
the
planning
commission
for
a
recommendation,
and
then
the
mca
application
will
be
brought
back
to
city
council
for
final
action,
and
this
concludes
my
presentation
staff,
as
well
as
the
applicant
pastor,
eric
goner
from
holy
trinity,
lutheran
church
and
his
representative,
mr
james
wilbur,
are
available
for
questions.
Thank
you.
G
O
I
We're
gonna
hopefully
allow
the
applicant
to
choose
it's
my
understanding
at
this
time.
They
don't
want
to
do
concurrent
processing,
but
we
want
to
leave
that
option
open
in
case
they
decide
to
do
that
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
to
council
to
ask
for
permission
for
concurrent
processing
again.
B
B
I
D
If
I
may
clarify
so,
the
primary
use
would
remain
places
of
religious
worship.
This
would
just
be
a
small
portion
of
that
primary
use
which
would
relate
to
religious
services,
so
the
intent
is
not
for
the
columbarium
use
to
become
the
dominant
force
or
use
on
the
site.
It's
just
something
to
supplement
the
other
services
provided
by
the
religious
institutions
in
residential
zones.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
That's
that
was
my
question
I
think
is,
is
because
some
of
the
the
church
there
at
on
our
blues
is
four
and
a
half
acres
or
three
and
a
half
acres.
So
it's
a
big
property.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
we're
not
going
to
somehow
allow
these
types
of
things
to
to
be
to
overwhelm
the
area.
D
D
Oh,
so
just
a
quick
word
yeah.
Why
we're
doing
this?
This
was
brought
to
us
at
a
congregational
meeting
several
years
ago.
Actually
now
and
some
members
had
done
something
somewhere
out
there
at
their
church,
lutheran
church
in
different
areas
had
since
moved
to
our
area
at
the
university
village,
and
you
know
called
thousand
oaks
home
and
our
church
home
and
felt
a
connection
to
it
and
we're
thinking.
Well.
D
You
know
we
haven't
written
all
of
our
bylaws
just
yet,
but
it
would
be
primarily
for
members
and
or
maybe
like
you
know,
a
connection
to
him
and
like
a
relative
which
is
currently
how
we
do
our
funeral
memorial
services
at
the
present
time.
We
don't
usually
get
just
you
know
random
folks
coming
to
the
church
for
that.
So
yes,
this
would
be
primarily
just
for
members.
It
would
be,
you
know,
against
kind
of
a
wall
not
very
tall
and
facing
into
the
church.
D
L
Members
when
they
passed
to
be
still
be
part
of
the
church
and
like
pastor
eric
said,
we
have
seen
it
many
other
places
and
also
their
many
people
don't
end
up
when
they
buy
their
their
burial
plots.
I
don't
know
if
my
you
can
see
me
now
anyway,
yes,
anyway,
when
they
buy
their
burial
plots
and
they
move
away
and
join
a
church.
D
B
Thank
you,
sir.
Any
any
other
comments
from
the
applicant
any
questions
from
my
colleagues
for
the
applicants
very
good.
Thank
you,
sir.
Both
of
you
for
for
presenting
we'll
we'll
have
a
quick
little
talk
with
our
our
staff
here
and
see
if
there's
any
clarifications
or
anything
that
they
would
like
to
add.
B
B
O
B
B
B
E
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
N
Thank
you
may
angler.
I
was
I
viewed
on
youtube
the
council
meeting
and
was
joined
by
assistant
city
manager,
ingrid
hardy,
as
well
as
city
attorney,
tracy
noonan
and
our
and
melissa
ortado
assistant
to
the
city
manager.
Thank
you.
She's
played
so
many
roles
at
city
hall.
I
forget
which
one
she's
currently
in
all
right,
and
so
they
observed
me
taking
notes
several
pages
and
listened
to
all
the
testimony
listened
to
the
applicants
to
public
speakers
as
well
as
council
discussion
and
I
entered
when
the
public
speakers
were
still
speaking.
B
O
Mayor
well,
I
I
made
the
original
motion
and
we
listened
to
some
comments
from
my
fellow
councilmembers.
I
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
by
saying
that
I
don't
think
what
the
issue
we
have
in
front
of
us
tonight
is
whether
or
not
we
personally
approve
or
disapprove
for
that
matter
of
marijuana
use.
I
mean
that's
already
been
decided
by
the
voters.
O
We
didn't
decide
to
bring
marijuana
into
this
community.
The
voters
did
and
they
did
it
by
a
pretty
hefty
margin.
So
I
I
don't
think
it's
quite
fair
to
to
categorize
this
as
a
as
a
moral
issue
for
us.
It's
it's
really
not
that,
and
I
would
also
say
that
tonight
we're
we're
initiating
a
municipal
code
amendment
we're
not
this
isn't
a
final
vote
and
for
my
money
there's
enough
expertise.
O
I
don't
know
what
will
happen
at
that
point
and
and
finally
I
would
just
say
that
that
yeah
possession
of
marijuana
has
ruined
a
lot
of
lives,
but
it
ruined
them
in
the
past
when
they
were
arrested
for
small
amounts
of
marijuana
and
be
had
a
criminal
record,
and
a
lot
of
people
had
to
do
jail
time
over
the
simple
possession
of
marijuana,
which
I
I
think
a
lot
to
a
lot
of
us
now.
That
seems
a
pretty
antiquated
notion
and
that's
exactly
what
the
kind
of
thing
we're
trying
to
avoid
here.
N
What
also
impressed
is
that
the
testimony
that
these
cards,
the
recommendation
or
doctor's
cards,
the
doctor's
recommendations
are
somewhat
punitive
to
the
users
because
they
have
to
register
and
they
have
their
inner
data
bank.
That
is
not
the
case
when
you
purchase
alcohol
or
anything
else
really
so.
Privacy
rights
was
something
that
I
found.
That
was
important
as
well.
N
N
N
N
N
When
I
was
visiting
the
facilities
one
facility?
There
was
an
elderly
couple
that
was
coming
in
and
they
wanted
medicinal
marijuana,
but
when
asked
and
and
that
the
husband
could
barely
walk
when
asked
for
his
card,
they
were
so
surprised
that
they
had
to
present
a
card
in
order
to
get
pain,
relief,
and
that
was
an
elderly
couple.
N
N
N
I
don't
necessarily
see
that
there
would
be
an
abuse
of
cannabis
by
teenagers,
that
is,
medical,
cannabis,
medical
marijuana
and
if,
if
the
parent
uses
it
now,
then
it's
already
happening
now
that
children
are
getting
into
their
parents
cabinet
to
to
get
those
drugs.
I
am
not
one
to
be
in
favor
of
cannabis.
N
I
don't
like
that.
It
has
been
legalized,
but
it
is
legalized
now
this
is
really
in
this
particular
case,
high
quality
cannabis
that
is
highly
controlled,
and
I've
listened
to
my
colleagues,
and
I
think
you
have
finished
your
deliberation.
Yes,
it
sounded
like
like
you
have,
and
so
when
I
look
at
it-
and
I
see
well,
is
this
going
to
be
a
level
playing
field
for
the
for
the
others
that
decided
not
to
apply
for
a
license,
because
I
figured
they
can't
make
any
money
off
of
it?
You
know
it's.
N
N
N
Was
it
yeah,
so
things
have
changed
quite
a
bit
since
then?
Here
we
are
tonight.
Is
it
fair
to
those
who
did
not
apply,
may
not
be
fair,
but
but
in
reality
they
were
only
there
was
only
one
license
available.
Now
there
are
two:
I
don't
see,
thousand
oaks
turning
into
a
port
wineme
with
12
different
dispensaries.
N
B
B
E
E
We
have
a
department
report
item
on
our
affordable
housing
project
at
hillcrest
christian
school,
the
former
hillcrest
christian
school
site.
That
is
as
we
prepare
for
the
next
steps
in
what
will
be
an
rfp
process
associated
with
that
and
finally,
we'll
have
a
department
report
on
our
water
conservation
requirements
and
efforts.
If
anyone's
been
tracking
the
news
locally,
there
there's
going
to
be
some
actions
forthcoming
in
that
regard.
So
that
is
the
schedule
for
the
26th
two
weeks
from
tonight.
E
Anyone
that's
following
us
on
social
media
may
have
seen
that
we
teased
a
special
community
event
for
the
23rd
of
april
today
and
we
can't
go
into
too
many
details
on
it.
But
there's
some
certainly
some
clues
in
the
color
coding
on
the
on
the
promotion,
but
here
at
civic
arts
plaza
from
noon
to
four
on
the
23rd,
we'll
be
having
a
special
community
event
and
encourage
everyone
to
mark
your
calendars
and
try
to
be
here
from
noon
before
it's
going
to
be
a
really
fun.