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Thousand Oaks City Council Regular Meeting 4/26/22
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We
do
have
just
one
presentation
tonight,
but
it's
very
special
one
and
I'm
very
happy
to
welcome
our
own
public
works
director
cliff
finley
to
the
podium.
The
council
and
the
community
at
large
know
that
thousand
oaks
would
not
be
the
incredible
city.
It
is
without
the
dedicated
work
of
our
public
works
staff.
C
They
ensure
that
our
infrastructure,
our
facilities,
our
public
services,
are
efficient,
effective
and
well
maintained.
I
in
fact
had
a
a
personal
experience
with
that.
This
morning,
when
I
was
doing
my
my
morning,
walk
walking
up
campus
drive
seeing
work
being
done,
while
it
seems
like
the
rest
of
the
world's
struggled
to
function
these
past
two
years
due
to
covert
our
public
works
staff
remained
on
the
job,
keeping
the
city
running
mr
findlay,
on
behalf
of
the
city
council.
C
G
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
thank
you
very
much.
First
off
I
want
to
thank
mayor
angler
and
the
city
council
on
behalf
of
all
of
the
members
of
our
public
works
team.
This
is
just
a
small
percentage
here
tonight
we
take
pride
in
serving
the
residents
of
thousand
oaks
and
could
not
do
it
nearly
as
well,
if
it
weren't
for
clear
direction
and
support
provided
by
the
city
council.
So
thank
you
for
that.
G
The
theme
of
this
year's
national
public
works
week
is
ready
and
resilient,
which
highlights
public
works
role
as
first
responders
to
emergencies.
Public
works
professionals
help
keep
thousand
oaks
strong
by
managing
our
transportation
streets,
water,
waste,
water,
landscaping,
storm
water,
solid
waste
sustainability
and
engineering
services.
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F
This
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
Three
individuals
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursuant
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes
and
the
yellow
light
displays.
When
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
K
K
You
first
first
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Karen
norton
thousand
oaks
lynn
wrote
specifically
I've.
I've
been
coming
to
you
guys
for
years
decades,
I'm
trying
to
get
some
help
and-
and
I
I
finally
got
a
response
from
the
council-
to
contact
the
police
department
and
the
funny
thing
they've
sent
me
back
to
you.
I
was
sitting
out
last
night
just
trying
to
have
a
beer
in
my
backyard
and
people
were
burning
rubber.
K
They
were
jackrabbiting
off
the
light
here
racing
loud.
It's
it's
not
nice.
It
really
isn't
and
it's
a
small
percentage
of
the
drivers,
but
it
is
concerning
especially
since
we've
lost
lives
here
on
lynn
road
and
they
certainly
don't
stay
at
my
yard,
and
I
I
couldn't
really
understand
why
no
one
is
paying
attention,
and
today
I
spoke
with
a
gentleman.
I
haven't
heard
that
from
carl
patterson,
yet
sergeant
patterson,
but
today
I
was
told
that
they
had
to
use
their
resources.
K
K
We've
had
three
accidents
here,
even
though
the
chief
tells
me
that
accidents
are
down
10
percent,
so
there
is
definitely
a
unique
situation
going
on
in
my
little
stretch
of
the
world,
but
I
do
not
understand
why
simi
valley
is
12
and
a
half
square
miles.
Smaller
has
40
more
police
officers,
that's
almost
50
percent,
more
officers.
We
have
95,
you
know
you
need
to
serve
your
public.
You
need
to
serve
everyone,
and
I'm
asking
you
please
do
something
about
the
traffic
in
this
town.
K
K
C
L
L
But
about
10
years
ago
the
city
because
of
the
similar
problem
had
to
do
something
about
it
and
ripped
out
all
the
vegetation
and
replaced
it
with
small
boulders
to
address
the
issue,
and
that
was
the
homeless
that
was
happening
at
that
time.
But
now
the
boulders
are
not
a
deterrence
they're,
building
the
sheds
and
shelters
on
top
of
the
rocks
and
trying
to
use
up
all
the
little
free
strip
of
land.
That's
available.
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I'm
just
asking
the
city
to
help
me
solve
this
problem
because
I'm
receiving
numerous
complaints-
and
I
am
from
my
residents,
their
families
and
my
potential
clients.
My
business
will
not
survive
this.
So
please
help
I've
called
the
police,
but
there's
nothing.
They
can
do
and
I'm
here
to
see
if
the
city
could
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
protection.
L
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
another
update
on
the
recycling
and
waste
hauling
service
transition
in
thousand
oaks,
and
I
first
just
want
to
say
how
nice
it
is
to
be
here
in
person
with
you
and
also
on
the
night
that
you
are
honoring.
Your
public
works
staff
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
I
have
the
opportunity
to
work
very
closely
with
many
of
them
and
also
serve
in
leadership
kaneho
with
a
few
of
the
folks
that
were
up
here,
so
I
can
definitely
attest
to
what
a
wonderful
job
they
do
here
in
your
city.
L
When
I
addressed
council
in
february,
I
was
pleased
to
report
that
the
transition
was
going
smoothly
and
staying
on
schedule.
At
that
time,
athens,
100
team
members
dedicated
to
thousand
oaks,
were
already
providing
dependable
service,
reliability
for
the
38
000,
residential
and
1200
commercial
customers.
Here
in
town
this
evening,
I
have
more
good
news
to
share.
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As
you
know,
those
containers
include
new
green
bins
that
enable
us
to
provide
recycling
services
for
food
scraps
and
other
organics
waste
to
all
of
thousand
oaks.
For
the
first
time,
the
grin
green
bin
recycling
is
an
essential
component
of
sb
1383.
The
state
law
designed
to
help
fight
climate
change.
We
believe
thousand
oaks,
is
now
ventura,
county's
first
city
to
reach
full
compliance
with
this
landmark
legislation.
L
These
efforts
include
publishing
a
quarterly
newsletter,
visiting
schools
and
working
with
a
variety
of
groups
such
as
the
rotary
club,
youth,
commission
and
the
council
on
aging.
We
also
answer
questions
for
the
frequent
visitors
we
get
at
our
new
sustainability
center.
Overall,
we
are
incredibly
heartened
by
the
response
we
have
received
here
in
town.
It
has
been
a
pleasure
for
our
team
to
get
to
know
this
wonderful
community.
L
We
build
these
relationships
every
day
through
community
partnerships,
contributing
to
schools,
youth
sports
leagues,
kiwanis
club,
rotary
club,
ventura,
county
leadership,
academy,
ventura,
land
trust,
safe
passage,
youth
foundation
and
many
more.
It
also
helps
to
have
a
bit
of
fun
like
we
did
at
the
arbor
earth
day
event
earlier
this
month
and,
of
course,
at
the
to
block
party
and
lombardi
trophy
tour.
L
This
past
weekend,
where
we
were
able
to
roll
out
our
giant
inflatable
bounce
house
modeled
after
an
athens
truck,
we
look
forward
to
building
even
deeper
routes
in
thousand
oaks
I'll
hurry
up
here.
People
can
call
our
local
customer
service
line
visit
us
in
our
sustainability
center
or
go
online,
and
our
whole
team
is
incredibly
grateful
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
M
M
L
N
I'd
like
to
compliment
randy,
I
phoned
her
last
week
about
her
problem
and
she
didn't
have.
She
was
driving
her
car
she's
got
to
pull
over
and
to
take
down
some
notes
on
pencil
and
paper,
and
I
said
no,
please
don't
go
to
that
trouble.
Just
wait
till
you
get
back
to
the
office
and
not
only
did
she
contact
me
then,
but
then
she
took
care
of
the
situation
in
about
two
days.
So
I
want
to
thank
you.
N
C
B
All
right
thanks,
mr
mayor,
wanted
to
specifically
talk
about
the
homeless
situation
that
the
folks
from
hillcrest
royale
brought
up.
I
see
that
our
assistant
chief
cook
is
already
out
in
the
lobby
with
them.
It's
a
situation
that
we're
well
aware
of.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
our
our
team
was
out
there
this
morning.
B
Clean
out
of
encampments,
under
the
101
freeway
and
under
and
in
the
23,
and
that
has
had
the
effect
of
having
some
folks
that
have,
unfortunately
relocated
into
other
areas.
These
areas,
the
city
attorney
and
I
have
spoken
there.
They
seem
to
be
at
least
in
a
number
of
occasions,
a
violation
of
our
camping
and
public
ordinance,
and
so
our
a
team
of
liaison
officers
are
working
to
that
effect.
B
B
We
continue
to
have
regular
dialogue
with
mrs
martin
and
trying
to
address
concerns
around
speeding
that
she's
experiencing
out
there,
and
so
we
do
have
law
enforcement
resources,
substantial
law
enforcement
resources,
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
pays
31
million
a
year,
the
sheriff's
department
for
substantial
top-notch
law
enforcement
resources
and-
and
we
look
to
spread
those
wherever
there
are
needs
and
issues
and
adjust.
Accordingly.
That's
it.
C
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N
I
J
There
made
some
very
compelling
arguments
about
the
quality
of
life
falling
off
after
this
has
moved
from
a
local
park
to
a
regional
park
that
pulls
people
in
from
san
diego
to
palmdale,
riverside
san
bernardino
to
come
see
our
beautiful
park
there
that
has
a
year-round
waterfall
and
what
they
originally
purchased
in
their
home
years
ago
has
now
become
a
public
nuisance
for
them
in
quality
of
life,
and
it's
been
on
their
list
of.
Can
we
address
this
as
a
city,
it's
gone
before
koska,
it's
gone
before
recreation
and
parks.
J
G
Yes,
so
so
this
bridge
will
will
connect
trails
down
at
wildwood
of
wildwood
park.
Actually,
the
lower
end
down
near
the
hill
canyon
treatment
plant,
there's
already
a
parking
lot
down
there
and
there's
additional
parking
available,
and
this
will
allow
someone
to
park
in
that
parking
lot
walk
across
one
one
bridge.
G
In
my
opinion,
a
lot
nicer
for
families
and
it
will
be
construction,
can,
with
this
action.
Construction,
will
begin
this
fall
and
should
be
completed
by
next
summer.
So
we're
excited
about
it
and
it
should.
It
should
provide
a
second
trail
access,
as
a
second
trail
head
to
that
same
area
of
the
park.
J
To
reduce
the
popularity
of
what
currently
exists
there
at
the
end
of
avenue
de
la
soberlas
and
that
neighborhood
any
ideas
on
how
we
can
better
educate
and
direct
people
to
start
using
the
hillcrest
location
when
it
finally
is
completed
because
many
of
the
people
there
already
have
been
using,
they
wanted
avenue
de
los
herbalis
and
trying
to
retrain
them
to
go
elsewhere.
Any
plans
in
place
to
help
redirect
that
traffic
and
get
the
quality
of
life
back
for
that
neighborhood.
G
Well,
this,
this
is
definitely
falls
under
crpd's
influence
as
well,
but
but
we
will
do
an
education
outreach
process
again.
I
think
the
location
of
new
trailhead
may
be
maybe
closer
for
a
lot
of
people
and
definitely
in
the
western
western
ventura
county,
so
that'll
and
that'll
as
soon
as
they
realize
it's
available
it
should
you
know
it's
closer
distance,
so
it
should
be.
It
should
be
great.
J
When
I
first
came
into
this
issue
and
studied
it,
I
found
that
the
big
answer
the
bottleneck
was
getting
this
bridge
in
there
at
the
hillcrest
parking
site
or
the
hillcrest
site
there
and
bottom
of
the
grade,
and
now
that
will
be
in
you
said
end
of
next
year,
not
this
year,
but
next
year.
Is
that
correct.
J
G
So
the
first
steps
once
award
is
done.
This
this
fall
will
be
fabrication
of
that
bridge,
there's
actually
an
environmental
requirement,
there's
a
bird
breeding
season,
of
which
we
can't
work
in
the
springtime
at
the
at
the
site.
So
a
majority
of
the
construction
work
will
be
done
later
in
that
summer.
Terrific.
J
J
D
Some
of
the
residents
may
have
noticed
it's
a
road
that
runs
parallel
to
the
101
freeway
in
between
hampshire
and
thousands
boulevard,
and
I
thought
either
cliff
or
not
or
might
want
to
come
up
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
this
project
is
important.
What
it
used
to
look
like
and
what
the
end
product
will
look
like.
G
O
G
G
D
Thank
you
cliff
yeah.
You
really
brought
the
road
into
the
21st
century
before
it
was
something
out
of
the
1950s
so
and
it's
an
important
road
for
the
connectivity
that
it
offers
just
one
more
way
for
people
to
get
around
on
bikes
or
on
foot
and
kind
of
connects
a
portion
of
westlake
village.
You
could
say
to
downtown
thousand
oaks,
so
great
job,
looking
forward
to
it
being
done
and
appreciate
the
work
mayor.
G
C
And
mr
finley,
I
also
had
one
quick
question
for
you:
bob
engler
up
here
the
this
this
this
item
tonight
was
a
what
some
people
would
describe
as
a
cost
overrun
coming
back
for
a
little
more
money.
Is
there
how
explain
to
folks
how
these
these
types
of
things
happen
and
what
you're,
addressing
by
having
this
a
little
bit
of
extra
money.
G
So
so
the
this
change
order,
which
is
probably
near
one
of
the
final
ones
of
the
contract,
is
actually
a
majority
of.
It
is
additional
work
that
was
that
was
that
was
not
originally
in
the
contract
documents.
One
of
those
pieces
was
a
a
widening
of
the
street.
There
was
a
development
that
had
not
occurred
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
that
was
between.
G
Let
me
just
get
that
right
between
skyline
drive
and
canejo
ridge,
so
we
were
actually
in
the
original
bid.
Documents
were
narrowing
the
roadway
and
not
constructing
the
improvements
through
that
section,
that
project
moved
forward
and
the
property
owner
decided
to
go
ahead
and
do
their
improvements
on
their
private
property.
So
we
were
able
to
extend
the
public
improvements
to
the
full
width
for
that
entire
block,
which
which
was
great
because
at
some
point
in
time
we
might
have
had
to
do
it
in
the
future
and
come
back
with
a
smaller
contract.
G
G
We
we
had
included
in
the
contract
to
replace
much
of
the
pipe
and
the
valves
and
the
services,
but
when
we
got
in
there
and
actually
looked
at
the
fittings
they
they
required
replacement,
there's
about
13
of
them
they're
fairly
large.
So
that's
that's!
That's
the
water
portion.
So
again
it
was
additional
work.
Some
project
enhancements,
it's
a
lot
of
coordination
with
private
property.
Through
there
we
have
to
make
grades
work
and-
and
it's
never
quite
perfect-
when
you're
adjusting
public
right-of-way
to
existing
improvements,
people's
driveways
essentially.
G
J
Yes,
mr
mcnamee,
just
a
quick
question
in
construction
and
development
when
you
do
a
change
order,
sometimes
you're
paying
double
or
triple
than
if
it
was
included
with
the
original
quote:
where
are
we
with
any
up
charges
relative
to
this
change
order?
Is
it
what
would
come
in
line
with
what
was
originally
included,
or
is
it
additional
because
it's
a
change
order
and
we're
paying
double
or
triple.
M
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
because
I
drive
that
street
on
a
regular
basis.
I
actually
do
love
the
the
ver
very
narrow
lane
snail,
it's
kind
of
like
a
slalom,
and
so
I
love
driving
that
without
hitting
the
poles
there,
the
plastic
ones
it's
very
narrow,
but
I
wanted
to
say
that
I'm
impressed
that
you
are
finishing
the
project
on
time,
maybe
even
earlier
and
yes,
it
is
a
little
bit
over
the
initial
budget,
but
it's
money
well
invested
in
our
infrastructure.
Thank
you.
G
M
G
M
M
J
J
M
And
we
have
frank
with
us
tonight
all
right,
that
is
inclusionary
housing,
program
feasibility
and
because
this
has
been
discussed
so
many
times
over
many
years.
It's
now
finally
happening
an
update
to
our
housing
program,
feasibility,
inclusionary
housing
program.
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
mr
parker
could
talk
to
us
about
that,
give
the
public
an
update
as
to
what
the
status
is.
Thank
you.
P
Yes,
please
good
evening
council,
so
this
item
before
you
this
evening
is
to
move
forward
with
a
contract
to
hire
a
consultant
to
move
to
the
next
phase
in
the
project.
As
many
of
you
may
recall,
last
fall.
We
spoke
about
this
project
moving
forward
early
this
year,
we're
currently
ahead
of
the
schedule
that
we
brought
to
council
in
the
fall
of
last
year.
P
P
If
we're
allowed
to
move
forward
in
contract
with
the
consultant
we'll
meet
with
them
to
determine
the
time
frame
in
which
they
need
to
prepare
the
study
and
at
that
time,
we'll
move
forward
in
completing
that
actual
work.
But
it's
something
that
we
won't
be
able
to
finalize
until
we
get
the
consultant
on
board.
M
P
It's
definitely
something
that
we're
efforting
for,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
it's
a
role
that
the
consultant
will
have
to
play
in
actually
preparing
those
nexus
studies
and
part
of
that
will
be
comparison
of
other
inclusionary
housing
ordinances
that
are
available
in
this
local
area.
So
preparation
of
that
work
will
take
some
time
and
it
is
extremely
technical
in
nature,
which
is
why
we're
enlisting
a
consultant
to
actually
prepare
that
work.
P
P
N
P
It'll
show
us
the
cost
difference
between
providing
market
rate
housing
and
what
people
can
afford
that
actually
reside
in
low
income
categories,
so
the
difference
between
paying
rent
at
market
rate
versus
what
someone
could
pay
for
that
makes
a
wage,
that's
in
an
extremely
low,
a
low
or
very
low
category,
so
understanding
that
piece
will
provide
information
for
council
to
set
a
policy
later
on.
But
before
we
can
come
to
you,
so
you
can
have
that
policy
discussion
amongst
yourselves
and
provide
direction
to
staff.
P
P
Fee
would
be
paid
by
residential
developers
through
this
study
once
we
approve
the
new
general
plan
and
this
fee
goes
into
effect
or
even
if
this
fee
went
into
effect
before
that
it
will
be
paid
by
developers
of
residential
housing
in
the
community
and
the
non-commercial
linkage
fee.
Port
non-residential
linkage
fee
portion
of
it
will
be
paid
by
commercial
developers,
as
they
turn
properties
over
in
the
community
to
help
help
us
meet
our
affordable
housing
goals.
N
B
This
study
simply
provides
council
the
baseline
of
information
to
make
a
policy
decision
they
can
make
what
council
can
make
whatever
policy
decision
they
wish.
You
can
go
with.
You
know
anywhere
from
zero,
all
the
way
up
the
range.
So
it's
this
is,
but
you
cannot
make
a
determination
without
a
nexus
study.
That's
market-based
and
that's
the
critical
piece
of
this.
This
provides
that
backing
to
ensure
that
whatever
is
done
is
not
arbitrary
in
nature,
but
it's
the
council's
policy
call
100.
N
M
C
M
M
C
C
F
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8a
fiscal
year,
2019-20
amended
cdbg
cv
and
fiscal
year,
2022-23
cdbg
action
plans.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
One
individual
has
presented
a
speaker
card
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
the
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
F
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
M
M
C
L
Yeah.
It's
just
a
pleasure
to
work
with
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
the
project
that
is
up
for
consideration
for
your
approval.
This
evening
is
our
place
safe
haven,
which
is
a
14
bed,
specialty
shelter
for
those
with
mental
illness
and
often
mental
illness
and
co-occurring
substance
use
disorders,
and
this
is
to
mitigate
covid
19
within
our
shelter
and
also
to
support
a
lot
of
the
efforts,
the
staffing
efforts
and
that
are
associated
with
covid19,
because
it
does
have
an
impact
on
their
workload
and
a
financial
impact.
Q
M
M
C
Moving
on
to
our
item
10-
and
this
is
a
department
reports-
we
do
have
a
report
on
our
hillcrest,
affordable
housing,
update
that
we
talked
about
a
few
months
ago-
and
this
is
an
update
on
that.
We
do
have
mr
gary
rogers
deputy
city
manager,
for
the
presentation
and
having
any
to
answer
any
questions.
So,
mr
rogers,
please
go
ahead.
C
C
L
I
I
It
it
was
consistent
with
the
council
adopted
top
ten
priority
in
fiscal
2122
city
landscaping.
Crews
cleared
up
the
site
and
a
specialized
consultant
was
sought
to
lead
the
preparation
issuance
and
analysis
of
an
rfp
and
selection
of
an
affordable
housing
developer
february
22
2022
the
council
authorized
the
execution
of
a
contract
with
rsg
and
informational
meetings
between
rsg
and
city
staff
were
subsequently
completed
tonight.
R
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
can
you
hear
me
all
right
great
so
this
evening,
we'll
be
going
through
the
hillcrest,
affordable
housing
project
and,
as
gary
had
mentioned,
I'll,
be
giving
an
overview
of
the
property.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
affordable
housing,
climate
and
development
conditions
right
now
and
then
hoping
to
end
with
some
considerations
for
the
rfp
and
potential
schedules.
R
So
first
I'd
like
to
just
start
off
with
a
recap
of
the
property
description.
So
the
site
totals
3.87
acres.
It
was
purchased
for
an
amount
of
10
million
dollars,
a
portion
of
which
came
from
the
general
fund,
which
was
the
majority
8.8
million,
and
then
there
was
also
a
portion
purchased
with
housing
successor
funds
in
the
amount
of
1.2
million
and
those
housing
successor.
R
Now,
with
that
being
said,
all
development
must
meet
the
city's
development
standards
and
I
understand
from
staff
you
all
are
in
the
process
of
updating
some
of
that
information.
Now
this
the
project
will
come
back
to
city
council
throughout
the
process,
so
there'll
be
additional
opportunities
to
provide
some
guidance
there.
R
If
we
just
kind
of
take
a
look
at
the
low
income
category,
which
is
the
80
ami
level,
you
know
that
ranges
from
about
51
000
to
81
000
per
year
for
a
family
of
three
within
the
community
and
some
of
the
occupations
that
generate
that
type
of
revenue.
Here
would
be
things
such
as
a
social
worker
or
a
chemist
or
a
human
resource
specialist.
So
I
I
also
should
note
that
those
income
ranges
are
adjusted
annually.
R
So
you
can't
really
avoid
the
topic
when
you're
talking
about
affordable
housing
and
affordable
housing
feasibility
that
portal,
how
housing
generally
requires
gap
financing?
So
you
know
an
affordability
gap
is
created
because
either
the
sale,
price
or
the
rental
price
is
restricted
at
a
level,
that's
below
the
market
rate
value,
and
so
that
inherently
creates
a
a
gap
in
financing.
So
developers
must
secure
gap
financing
in
order
to
make
their
projects
financially
feasible.
The
majority
of
those
financing
sources
come
from
the
state.
N
R
R
The
largest
one
is
the
surplus
land
act,
and
so
basically,
it's
required
by
the
state
that,
prior
to
any
city,
disposing
of
or
utilizing
a
property
that
they
either
declare
that
property
as
surplus
or
exempt
surplus,
and
that
has
to
be
done
prior
to
issuing
an
rfp
in
this
case.
We're
suggesting
that
the
city
consider
a
target
exemption
requirements
to
allow
or
excuse
me
to
adopt
a
resolution
that
would
declare
the
property
exempt
from
surplus
land.
And
this
allows
the
city
to
have
the
most
flexibility
and
control
over
the
site
development.
R
So
the
target
exemption
that
we're
hoping
to
seek
in
disposition
of
the
property
would
allow
for
a
hundred
percent
of
the
property
to
be
used
for
affordable
housing
that
restricted
at
the
moderate
income
level
or
below
so
back
to
the
previous
slide
up
to
that
120
ami
category
and
of
that
75
on
the
lower
or
low
income
80,
ami
designation
and
below.
So
this
is
a
requirement
by
law,
but
it
is
the
exemption
within
the
law
that
would
provide
the
most
flexibility
and
the
most
control
to
the
community.
R
R
Some
of
those
factors
include
construction
costs
or
rising
a
lot
we're
currently
working
on
one
for
sale
product
in
a
community
where
that
has
increased
by
27
and
now
they're
trying
to
seek
additional
gap
financing
to
help
close
that
and
then
on
a
rental
project.
It
came
back
at
a
37
percent
increase,
so
things
are
shifting
on
you
know
inflation.
We
keep
there's
no
new
news
to
any
of
us
now,
but
it's
affecting
the
affordable
housing
market
significantly,
there's
also
rising
interest
rates.
R
So,
as
I
mentioned,
developers
need
to
secure
gap,
financing,
there's
no
necessarily
free
money
that
all
comes
and
has
interest
on
them,
and
so
those
rates
are
also
increasing,
which
is
increasing
the
cost
to
developed.
And
then,
as
always,
you
know,
there's
various
funding
availability.
Some
funding
sources
are
always
available.
Some
come
in
cycles
and
rounds
that
affordable
housing
developers
need
to
seek
in
order
to
close
those
funding
gaps
on
their
projects.
R
The
other
thing
that
is
good
about
kind
of
keeping
it
broad
is
that
you'll
get
more
respondents
and
then
you'll
be
able
to
evaluate
those
and
if
there's
something
that
you
like
in
one
proposal,
but
you
you
know
you
like
the
experience
and
the
overall
you
know
proposal
by
another
developer.
You
can
then
say
hey
like.
Would
you
mind
making
this
change
or
you
can
negotiate
other
considerations
into
your
agreement?.
R
And
then
our
last
slide
is
just
a
little
bit
about
the
proposed
timeline
for
the
selection
of
the
developer.
So
the
first
thing
that
must
occur
is
that
the
council,
via
a
resolution,
would
adopt
the
resolution
declaring
the
property
exempt
from
the
surplus
land
act.
That
resolution
is
adopted
and
then
is
sent
to
the
state
and
then-
and
that
would
happen
in
next
month
in
may-
where
I
feel
happening
next
week.
R
It
seems
like
so
far
away
and
then
subsequently
in
june,
we
would
release
the
request
for
proposals,
so
we
would
detail
out.
You
know
what
the
information
on
the
site,
the
zoning,
the
affordability
requirements,
requests
that
they
give
us
information
on
their
financial
feasibility.
What
are
they
proposing
their
capacity
and
their
experience?
R
M
R
R
Not
necessarily
so
prevailing
wage
is
triggered
by
the
funding
source,
so
if,
typically,
what
triggers
prevailing
wage
and
most
affordable
housing
projects
is
the
wanting
project-based
vouchers
to
help
subsidize
the
operating
expenses.
There's
some
projects
that
we
see
come
through
that
are
kind
of
below
that
threshold
and
do
not
trigger
prevailing
wage.
So
I
guess
the
answer
is
yes,
and
no,
depending
on
what
the
developer
is
proposing.
M
R
So,
typically,
if
we
could
include
that
in
the
rfp
we're
not
planners
or
approvers
of
the
actual
design
of
the
project,
but
typically
the
developers,
if
there's
a
preference
for
that,
we'll
put
that
in
the
rfp,
so
they
know
to
design
it
that
way
and
then
they,
like.
I
said
the
projects
still
go
through
all
the
city
approvals
for
like
any
development
project.
So
you
can
negotiate
that
along
the
way.
J
Go
ahead,
if
you
want
to
ask
my
opinion
on
something
ask
council
member
to
build
an
opinion,
I
take
the
opposite
side,
usually
regarding
all
electric,
I'm
one
that
leaves
it
up
to
the
free
market,
so
in
that
proposal,
if
they
could
split
it
out
to
both
sections
one
for
all
electric
to
accommodate
count.
My
esteemed
colleague
councilmember
dale
de
la
pena
and
myself
for
gas
electric,
whatever
the
builder
wants
to
do
for
market
demand.
So
if
we
can
split
that
out,
that
would
be
excellent.
So
that
way
both
of
us
are
accommodated.
Thank
you.
C
I
I
have
noticed,
as
most
of
my
colleagues
have
noticed,
that
the
price
of
doing
business
is
going
up
and
so
there's
some
type
of
urgency.
Perhaps
through
our
deliberations
on
this,
is
there
also
an
urgency
from
the
state
side
with
their
funding?
I
know
right
now,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
urgency
with
the
state
to
help
provide
some
both
funding
for
those
experiencing
homelessness
and
also
for
affordable
housing.
Is
that
a
factor
in
putting
on
an
rfp.
R
So
the
timing
of
the
rfp
actually
lines
up
really
well
with
some
of
the
state
like
tax
credit
programs
and
such
and
I
think,
to
answer
your
question.
It
really
varies
again
on
what
the
developer
is
proposing
and
then
which
funding
sources
they
seek,
because
each
funding
source
kind
of
comes
with
its
own.
I
guess
set
of
rules
and
regulations
of
who
it
can
help,
and
so
we'll
sort
to
see
that,
and
we
also
ask
them
for
their
proposed
timeline
of
getting
their
other
financing
sources.
R
C
R
C
R
R
Generally,
we're
not
looking
at
all
of
the
design
standards
and
this
portion
of
the
of
the
engagement,
so
the
proposals
come
back
with
the
general
concept
of
what
that
is,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
you'll
be
going
through
a
negotiation
with
them
and
agreement
prep
with
them
and
then
that's
when
some
of
that
stuff
can
get
ironed
out.
But
typically
I
can
tell
you
there
isn't
high-end
finishes
and
most
affordable
housing
projects.
R
I
mean
you
know
it's
nice,
but
generally
you
know
they
have
to
come
back
with
a
proposal
and
a
financial
project
pro
forma
that
they
can
get
to
pencil
and
fill
that
gap.
But
we
do
look
and
say:
wow
your
development
costs
are
really
high
or
yours
are
really
low.
You
know,
please
give
us
more
information
on
that,
so
we
do.
You
know,
poke
some
holes
around
that,
but
we're
not
looking
at
you
know
specific.
C
R
C
N
B
Just
wanted
to
offer
for
the
council
as
you're,
going
through
the
question
phase
right
now
and
you're
beginning
to
to
think
about
it.
You
know,
there's
a
wide
berth
of
things
to
talk
about
and
just
to
help
our
consultant
team
and
staff
team
think
about
packaging
things
potentially
in
a
preferences
category
and
that's
preferences
like
for
sale
and
that
type
of
thing
and
then
perhaps
options
that
you
would
be
interested
in
seeing
considered
and
you
got
options
and
you
have
options
such
as
all
electric.
B
If
you
want
you
know:
community
rec
room,
you
know
those
types
of
things,
so
things
think
about
categorizing
those
as
you're
going
through
this
discussion,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
there's
clarity,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know,
I
know,
there's
differing
opinions.
Everybody
has
perspectives
and
I
want
to
make
sure
when
the
rfps
issue
it.
B
It
represents
the
concurrence
of
the
council
and
because
that
rfp
is
going
to
hit
the
market
and
there's
no
reduce-
and
you
know
the
the
market's
going
to
be
responding
to
that
in
a
manner
that
we
can't
really
go
back
on.
And
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
point,
and
city
attorney
probably
echoes
those
thoughts.
N
N
B
Well
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mrs
matthews
for
more
detail,
but
I
you
know
the
certainly.
The
the
land
is
a
key
factor
right
and
and
I'm
sure
that
land
has
significantly
increased
in
value
just
since
last
august,
based
on
market
conditions,
but
that's
not
the
entire
picture.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
variables
that
are
going
to
come
into
play.
No.
N
R
Hi
yeah,
so
it
depends
on
what
project
is
what
the
developers
are
proposing
the
number
of
units,
the
depth
of
affordability,
so
I
say
depth
of
affordability.
I
mean
what
income
categories
are
being
restricted
to,
as
I
mentioned,
that
really
affects
the
ability
of
the
revenue
generation
side.
The
property
being
contributed
does
significantly
help
that.
However,
you
know
we're
seeing
that
it's
taking
multiple
multiple
funding
layers
to
get
affordable
housing
projects
completed.
I
have
not
recently
seen
a
deal.
That's
had
less
than
four,
and
so
even.
R
Different
funding
sources
that
they're
using
to
fund
the
project,
so
yes,
the
property
would
definitely
help
with
that,
and
is
that
when
they
do
their
evaluation
and
analysis,
you
know
they
can.
Let
us
know
whether
or
not
that
contribution
closes,
that
full
gap
for
them
or
what
portion
that
it
does.
N
R
So
there's
no.
You
know
yes
or
no
to
that.
I
think
it's
really
dependent
on.
You
know
how
we
market
this
and
we
have
lists
and
access
to
both
nonprofit
and
for-profit,
affordable
housing
developers
that
develop
both
for
sale
and
rental
product,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
it
would
be
open
to
everybody
and
you'll
should
receive
responses
on
both.
N
N
N
You
know
and
then
be
able
to
produce
something
that,
like
young
professionals
or
people
in
different
categories
of
income,
could
you
know
purchase
or
rent,
and
I
I
you
know,
I
think,
we're
still
on
the
right
track,
but
it's
becoming
it
in
my
mind,
a
little
more
difficult
than
I
thought
it.
It
might
be
at
the
outset.
So
yep.
J
The
question
for
city
manager,
mr
powers,
so
what
I
understand
our
task
here
is
to
look
at
all
the
options
for
this
property
on
hillcrest
and
herbs
to
get
direction
from
council,
and
this
is
sort
of
an
industry.
They
refer
to
it
as
blue
sky
options,
choices
to
look
at
and
all
the
different
possibilities
we
could
do,
whether
it
be
one
type
of
housing
or
whatever.
Is
that
a
correct
statement.
B
Yeah,
so
this
is
a
unique
set
of
circumstances.
Councilmember
back
to
me,
they're,
not
often
that
cities
have
an
opportunity
to
have
a
blank
piece
of
property
and
to
put
it
out
to
the
marketplace.
Now,
there's
some
constraints
around
that,
obviously
based
on
what
what
you
heard
state
law
and
otherwise,
but
as
we
move
forward
with
an
rfp
process
here,
what
we're
seeking
is
consensus
of
the
council
in
terms
of
what
guidance
are
we
providing
to
the
marketplace?
J
O
O
O
So
I
walked
the
property
to
see
what
was
out
there
and,
of
course
I
could
get
into
the
building,
and
I
subsequently
found
out
that
there's
the
building
has
been
cleared
out
and
but
that
doesn't
change
my
what
I'm
going
to
propose
that
it
was
used
as
a
hospital
and
as
a
hospital.
It
had
a
nursing
station
or
staff
station
and
it
had
single
rooms,
and
it
had
a
kitchen
and
to
me
that
sounded
like
a
possible
homeless
facility,
because
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
difficult
to
convert
that
into
single-family
homes.
O
And
but
I
wanted
to
to
ask
you
to
give
directions
to
the
consultant
to
assess
the
possibilities
of
a
homeless
facility
on
the
site
and
a
second
to
urge
the
consultant
to
contact
jennifer
turnkey.
Who
is
the
director
of
a
continuum
of
care
at
ventura
county
and
she
has
been
working
in
the
western
portion
of
ventura
county
cities
to
develop
homeless
housing.
O
And
she
has
found
ways
and
she
has
extensive
experience
in
providing
site
security
which
reduces
any
problems
with
the
surrounding
community.
And
there
have
been
no
incidents.
In
the
other
end
of
the
county
of
problems
of
homeless
people
wandering
through
the
neighborhood,
where
the
homeless
people
will
sit,
because
they
have
a
specific
way
in
which
they
have
the
time
during
the
day
and
the
night
that
there's
always
constantly
someone
there
during
the
day,
it's
mostly
case
management
and
at
night
as
security.
O
I
Mayor
city,
council,
council
members,
larry
persons,
I'm
the
board,
chair
of
the
southeast
ventura
county
ymca,
I
reside
in
westlake
village,
but
we
serve
the
entire
area.
I
saw
that
you
were
considering
uses
for
the
hillcrest
site
and,
as
a
builder
of
over
10
000,
affordable
units.
I
I
applaud
your
efforts
to
develop,
affordable
housing.
I
was
asked
if
it
would
be
a
good
site
for
a
new
y
in
the
thousand
oaks
area,
as
combined
uses
could
be
complementary.
I
Initially,
I
thought
the
site
was
larger
than
it
actually
is,
and
I've
come
to
learn
that
it's
a
little
under
four
acres.
Unfortunately,
that's
the
size
that
we
would
need
for
a
full
facility
and
and
parking.
So
while
my
idea
was
going
to
be
possible
joint
uses
of
types
of
things,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
would
be
preachable.
I
J
I
J
I
C
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
As
for
the
first
speaker,
the
good
news
is
we're
doing
a
lot
in
the
community
to
deal
with
homelessness,
and
we
have
a
major
project
underway
and
or
at
least
being
considered
by
the
state
of
california.
So
the
idea
of
transforming
this
current
facility
into
something
we
could
use
would
also
be
quite
challenging,
as
it
is
quite
old.
Bringing
it
up
to
code
and
standards
for
a
homeless
facility
would
be
extremely
challenging
and
difficult,
let
alone
all
the
other
considerations
associated
with
citing
something
of
that
nature.
There.
I
As
for
the
the
second
speaker,
I
we
do
think
that
it
would
in
fact
very
likely
be
challenging
to
to
meet
the
needs
of
both
a
traditional
ymca
if
you
will-
or
at
least
what
we
believe
to
be
more
traditional
ymca
and
affordable
housing,
and
given
that
this
is
the
council's
top
priority
to
develop.
In
the
reason
we
purchased,
this
property
was
affordable
housing.
I
C
D
All
right,
anyway,
I
think
we
need
to
remember
why
we
bought
this
property
in
the
first
place,
and
I
think
we
were
all
here
at
the
time
and
the
the
primary
discussion
was
for
housing,
and
I
know
I'm
quite
sure
that
most
of
us
on
this
diet,
as
well
as
most
of
the
people
in
thousand
oaks,
has
built
their
wealth
over
time
through
home
ownership
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
opportunity
for
other
people.
I
think
it's
important
to
get
a
foothold
in
the
community
and
home
ownership
can
do
that.
D
D
So
I
think
that
that
is
a
big
plus
for
the
property,
and
I
certainly
understand
the
flexibility
that
you
are
stating
that
we'll
need.
I
want.
We
should
get
as
many
rfps
as
possible,
I
think,
and
if
we,
if
we
restrict
it
too
much,
that
could
bring
our
rfp
count
down
and
not
give
us
the
opportunities
that
we're
looking
for.
So
I
get
what
you're
saying
about
you
know
a
blend,
but
when
we're
talking
about
preferences
I
agree
with
mr
jones,
my
my
preference
would
be
for
house
for
houses
for
sale
houses
for
sale.
D
D
No!
Well,
I
think
I
might
be
leading
up
to
that,
but
well
anyway,
I
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
yeah.
I
just
think
this
is
an
incredible
opportunity
for
workforce
housing,
which
we
are
deficient
here
in
the
city
for
our
police
officers,
for
our
teachers.
For
our
firefighters
I
mean
this
is
something
that
we
could
really
take
advantage
of.
It's
a
very
small
site.
D
I
think
it's
smaller
than
I
thought
it's
only
three
point:
acres,
3.8
acres,
so
I
as
the
gentleman
mentioned-
and
I
was
on
the
ymca
board
for
20
years-
and
I
respect
what
the
y
does
for
community,
but
you'd
need
this
much
just
to
put
the
y
in.
So
I
would
have
to
say
that
that's
probably
not
going
to
be
tenable
for
this
particular
site
and
as
far
as
a
homeless,
shelter,
you
know
frank
you
you.
We
really
need
to
work
on
that.
D
I
think
that
for
me
anyway,
my
preference
would
be
to
see
for
sale,
housing
with
a
flexible
approach
to
the
rfp
process
and
and
and
I
and
as
we've
discussed,
the
economic
situation
is
changing
in
in
the
nation.
Interest
rates
are
up,
construction
costs
are
up
inflation's
up,
so
there's
challenges
here.
So
we
need
to
be
as
flexible
as
possible
to
get
something
done
there
so
yeah.
I
guess
I
could
make
emotions
since
I'm
at
it.
You
want
to
make
a
motion.
D
C
J
J
Within
an
eighth
of
a
mile
of
that
property
site.
We
have
three
schools:
hillcrest
christian
school,
galena
middle
school,
ascension,
lutheran
elementary
school.
We
have
the
boys
and
girls
club
just
down
the
street
at
kolina
middle
school
herbs,
road
have
apartments
up
and
down
with
children
there,
north
of
that
area.
J
We
have
homes
with
children
and
when
I
look
at
the
need
in
that
community
and
that
we
have
closed
down
the
ymca
at
the
end
of
moorpark
in
sunset
hills,
the
ymca
provides
a
valuable
service
to
a
certain
population
in
our
community,
and
that
would
be
to
me
a
excellent
location
and
my
preference
would
be
ymca
with
the
low-income
housing
sharing
the
spot.
Now,
whether
or
not
that
can
be
worked
out
is
another
story
and
that's
for
something
for
exploration.
J
J
I
think
this
council
should
consider
moving
in
that
direction
of
at
least
exploring
in
their
rfp
that
as
an
option
either
ymca
exclusive
or
combined
ymca
with
low
income
housing.
So
that
way
we
accomplish
our
goals,
but
also
provide
a
greater
and
higher
use
best
use
for
that
property
to
service
the
community.
J
For
most
of
us,
we
go
home
to
our
very
safe
homes,
go
to
our
office,
buildings,
don't
see
them.
I
talk
to
them.
I
know
them
on
a
first
name
basis,
I'm
actively
like
frank
looking
for
a
solution
here
to
the
homeless
issue,
not
only
in
thousand
oaks
but
ventura
county,
and
I
welcome
my
fellow
council
members
effort
to
do
the
same.
J
J
We
need
to
put
it
in
there
if
we
want
it
for
rental,
for
low
income,
only
or
sale
or
combination
thereof,
put
it
in
there
and
see
what
comes
back
from
the
marketplace,
and
then
we,
as
a
council
at
least
have
information
there
to
make
a
final
decision
be
flexible.
I
heard
said
earlier:
I
think
it
was
our
mayor.
Keep
it
broad,
don't
try
to
nail
it
nail
it
down
too
far,
but
that's
the
direction.
J
N
You
know
no
you've
been
very
good
at
calling
on
me.
I
appreciate
it.
You
know
I,
my
fellow
councilmember
here
that
just
spoke.
I
there
are
so
many
things.
You
said
that
I
agree
with,
but
I
have
to
go
back
to
the
fact,
and
I
noticed
what
we're
asked
to
do
tonight
is
not
to
issue
the
rfp,
but
to
provide
information
which
we're
all
doing
to
form.
You
know
as
a
basis
to
form
the
rfp.
N
The
tide
of
housing
and
prices
of
rentals
and
purchases
are
going
up
up
all
the
time,
so
I
think
we
ought
to
act
quickly
if
that
trend
is
going
to
continue,
and
I
would
simply
like
to
agree
wholeheartedly
with
what
councilman
adam
said.
I
think
we
ought
to
go
forward
with
a
plan
try
to
get
home
ownership
if
we
can,
if
we
can't
maybe
a
blend,
to
be
attractive
to
developers
of
homeownership
and
some
rentals.
N
M
Thank
you,
mayor
engler,
I
do
have
questions
actually,
and
my
question
is
regarding
the
affordability
in
perpetuity
is
that
something
that
can
be
required
can
be
a
preference,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
these
are
not
going
to
expire
after
50
years.
There
will
always
be
a
need
for
housing
and
affordable
housing.
R
R
So
there's
a
lot
of
projects
even
right
now
that
previously
that
the
55-year
restriction
was
30
years
and
they're
coming
to
that
end,
where
they're
refinancing,
rehabbing
and
re-restricting
those
units
for
another
55-year
term,
and
so
a
lot
of
that
can
be
detailed
in
about
where
the
potential
property
and
unit
reverts
to
at
the
end
of
the
period.
So
it's
something
that
can
be
negotiated
to
allow
at
least
those
options
for
those
discussions
and
the
affordable
housing
agreement,
even
with
the
55-year
term.
M
M
That
would
maybe
ask
that
there
will
be
a
refinancing
after
a
certain
number
of
years
or
extended
beyond
instead
of
55
years.
Maybe
we
can
do
it
60
years
70
years,
maybe
not
in
perpetuity
but
put
a
timetable
on
it,
because
this
is,
after
all,
tax
payer
property
and
we're
doing
it
for
a
very
essential
public
benefit
that
we
don't
want
to
lose.
At
least
I
don't
want
to
lose,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
maybe
there
is
some
feedback
from
from
staff.
Regarding
that.
B
R
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
mention-
I
would
just
kind
of
caution
before
we
put
that
in
the
rfp
of
having
that
discussion
with
developers,
because
there's
some
financing
sources
that
other
lenders
that
aren't
the
city
that
also
have
requirements
about
the
term
of
affordability
as
well.
And
so
since
these
projects
were
not
the
only
player
in
the
game,
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
that
there's
going
to
be
other
lenders
to
the
developer
and
they're
going
to
have
requirements.
B
I
think
what
I
might
add
to
that
is.
This
certainly
won't
be
the
last
time
as
this
moves
forward,
that
it
ends
up
in
front
of
this
body
and
so
there'll
be
a
development
agreement
or
some
form
of
that
associated.
And
so
there's
going
to
have
to
be
further
discussions
around
those
components
giving
the
city
council
an
opportunity
to
negotiate
with
one
specific
developer
when
we
understand
their
exact
performance
financial
model.
H
So
one
thing
I'd
also
add
is
that
again
a
for
sale
project
is
incredibly
different
than
a
rental
project,
because
again
we
enter.
If
it's
a
rental
project,
then
you're
right.
We
have
an
agreement
with
the
developer.
If
it's
for
sale,
remember,
individuals
are
going
to
be
purchasing
these
houses
using
most
likely
private
financing.
So
whether
or
not
banks
would
even
authorize
financing
be
on
a
standard
covenant
that
would
restrict
that
would
impose
a
deed
restriction
beyond
a
typical
55
year
period.
I've
never
heard
of
that.
R
R
The
other
thing
to
kind
of
keep
in
mind
with
the
four
cell
products,
and
was
we
do
compliance
monitoring
as
well?
So
after
our
firm
does
that
so
after
projects
are
developed,
we
follow
up
basically
to
make
sure
that
the
residents
are
either
paying
the
correct,
rent
or
being
charged
right
amount
and
then
on
for
sale.
We
ensure
that
those
homeowners
are
still
living
there
and
then
basically
negotiating
equity
sharing
and
whatnot
and
a
lot
of
times.
If
those
aren't
being
monitored
or
recorded.
R
We
lose
units
just
because
they
lived
there
for
ten
years.
They
forgot
there
was
a
covenant
and
then
they
sold
it
and
title
didn't
pop
up
until
the
city
about
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
factors.
A
lot
of
it
comes
down
to
the
the
agreements
that
are
drafted
and
the
language
included,
and
so
there'll
be
opportunities
later
on
for
us
to
discuss
that
specific
language.
M
Because
again,
this
is
taxpayer
property.
10
million
dollars
going
to
be
worth
a
lot
more
50
years
from
now,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
it
will
retain
a
public
benefit
and
I
would
agree,
I
would
agree
that
we
need
to
have
the
proposal
as
broad
as
possible
only
because
I'm
looking
at
the
chart
here
for
the
income
qualifications
and
a
hostess
or
coffee
shop,
employee
cook,
making
less
than
30
000
a
year
may
not
necessarily
be
able
to
buy
his
or
her
first
condo
or
home.
M
So
you
know
it
does
make
sense
to
look
at
other
options
as
well.
If
we
want
to
be
if
we
want
to
address
extremely
low
income
as
well
and
again
to
dispel
the
notion
that
low
income
is
negative
in
our
community,
it
is
not
a
very
low
income
is
up
to
50
000
a
year
family
of
four.
I
believe
that
is
your
emt,
your
paramedic,
your
pharmacy
worker
tech,
pharmacy,
technician,
child
care,
worker
teaching
assistant,
dental
technician.
M
C
M
J
You,
my
council
members,
are
always
very
quick
to
move
a
motion
and
without
further
discussion.
So
thank
you
mayor,
my
colleague,
councilmember
jones
comments
are
very
appropriate
in
that.
Yes,
costs
of
construction
are
going
up
and
we
need
to
make
some
decisions.
We've
got
a
timeline,
miss
matthews
as
you
outlined,
so
it's
not
as
though
it's
going
to
change.
J
J
R
So
I'm
going
to
first
address
the
homeless,
shelter,
so
a
portion
of
the
funds
used
to
acquire
the
slider
housing
successor
funds
and
there's
limitations
there.
I
have
to
go
back
into
your
most
recent
reporting
to
take
a
look
at
that
on
the
amount
of
funds
that
can
be
used
for
homeless
purposes,
so
we
would
have
to
take
a
look
at
it
could
potentially
complicate
matters
a
little
bit.
R
The
other
thing
that
I
would
offer
is
some
of
the
state
financing
sources.
While
they
may
not
be
a
shelter,
there
is
a
lot
of
funds
out
there
for
permanent
supportive
housing
and
the
concept
of
permanent
supportive
housing
is
also
for
that
extremely
low
30
percent
ami
and
below,
and
sometimes
that
type
of
housing
development
addresses
some
of
the
homeless
population
as
well.
Another
funding
source
is
for
veterans,
it's
the
vhhp
program.
Again,
it's
targeting
some
of
those
lower
income
categories
and
addresses
the
homeless
population
there,
but
it
is
not
a
shelter.
R
Shelters
are
financed
a
little
differently.
Typically,
you
know
that
there's
more
funding
from
a
community
to
do
that
and
then
those
units
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
The
idea
is
that
you'll
transition
out
of
the
shelter
into
permanent
supportive
housing,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
presenting
those
options
that
you
know.
Perhaps,
if
we're
not,
including
the
exact
homeless
shelter,
I
have
a
pretty
strong
feeling
that
you're
going
to
get
some
responses
back.
R
I
do
think
it
potentially
could
be
challenging
just
from
hearing
from
the
gentleman
from
the
ymca
about
the
size
of
the
site
to
be
able
to
accommodate
both
in
full
capacity.
And
then
you
know,
another
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
Is
arena
requirements,
so
your
affordable
housing
requirements
and
trying
to
maximize
the
number
of
units
affordable,
housing
units
that
can
be
built
so
that
you
can
meet
some
of
those
targets.
R
The
state
is
continually
increasing
their
enforcement
of
that
I
was
just
recently
at
a
conference
in
sacramento
where
hcd
was
there
and
talking
about
their
accountability
enforcement
group
and
they're
really
trying
to
hold
jurisdictions
to
meeting
those
requirements.
So
you
know,
I
think,
a
consideration
there
for
you
all
is
just
you
know.
Are
you
trying
to
maximize
the
number
of
affordable
housing
units
to
meet
those
reno
requirements.
J
Thank
you.
One
of
the
greatest
challenges
I
have
as
a
council
member
is
dealing
with
the
imposition
of
sacramento
upon
the
city's
thousand
oaks
included
with
the
regional
housing
needs
assessment
and
many
of
the
creative
things
we'd
like
to
do
here
in
the
city.
Oftentimes
ties
our
hands
because
of
sacramento.
J
J
J
R
So,
based
on
some
of
the
legislative
requirements,
it's
going
to
be
challenging
to
do
that.
So,
if
you're
going
to
issue
it
for
just
a
homeless
site
right
because
of
the
surplus
land
act
and
what
is
required
there,
you
you
it
would
be
challenging
to
meet
all
the
legal
requirements
there
and
similarly
for
the
ymca
to
have
that
exclusively
disposition
of
city
of
city
pro
land.
R
C
H
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
council
understands
so
when,
when
the
ad
hoc
committee
came
and
recommended
acquisition
of
the
property,
the
clear
direction
to
staff
was
for
affordable
housing.
Hence
the
reason
why
we
hired
miss
matthews
for
an
affordable
housing
project.
If
the
desire
of
the
council
is
to
consider
something
other
than
affordable
housing
that
impacts
the
surplus
exemption.
Finding
that
will
be
taken
to
the
council
in
may.
In
order
for
us
to
even
put
out
an
rfp,
we
either
have
to
declare
it
to
be
surplus
and
then
affordable.
H
Housing
providers
have
an
option
to
bid
on
it
or
we
declare
it
to
be
exempt
surplus,
and
then
we
have
more
control
over
the
type
of
the
project
that
goes
on
there.
But
if
we're
declaring
it
exempt
it's
because
we
have
agreed.
In
other
words,
we
you
guys
have
agreed
to
do
an
affordable
housing
project
if
the
desire
is
to
do
an
rfp
for
a
ymca
or
the
desire
is
to
do
a
homeless
shelter.
That
exemption
no
longer
applies.
H
So
that
would
be
problematic,
because
it's
a
resolution
that
we
have
to
send
to
hcd
up
to
the
state
for
their
review
and
consideration.
The
second
there's
one
more
legal
option,
also
in
in
addition,
is
to
the
use
of
the
housing
successor
funds
that
we
use
to
purchase
the
property.
There
are
restrictions
on
what
we
can
do
with
that
property,
so
you
have
the
surplus
lands
act
and
the
housing
successor
agency
fund
requirements
that
would
impact
doing
anything
other
than
an
affordable
housing
project.
H
So,
yes,
we
want
flexibility,
but
I
think
the
idea
that
staff
was
presenting
was
flexibility
on
an
affordable
housing
project,
not
a
not
on
other
types
of
projects,
but
if
council's
direction
is
to
consider
other
types
of
projects,
you
can
certainly
do
that,
but
then
that
kind
of
changes,
the
game
on
what
the
next
steps
are.
So.
C
H
C
M
H
Well,
we'll
be,
we
would
be
bringing
the
resolution
back
again.
Okay,
again,
it's
a
total
policy
call.
What
council
wants
if
council
wants
us
to
look
at
other
things,
other
than
affordable
housing.
You
know
tonight
is
the
night
to
give
us
that
direction
for
sure
just
understand
that
there
will
be
delays,
because
we
have
to
come
back
with
additional
information
for
you
all.
D
Thank
you
mayor.
You
know
I
will
point
out
and
I'm
the
gentleman
from
the
y,
I'm
sure
is
very
proud
of
this
facility,
but
there
is
a
full
service
ymca
with
ball
fields
and
swimming
multi-million
dollar
facility.
That's
probably
five,
maybe
two
miles
from
the
site
that
we're
talking
about
approximately
five
okay.
So
with
within
easy
distance.
D
That's
number
one
and
number
two.
As
far
as
I
like
what
you
mentioned
about
permanent
supportive
housing
versus
a
shelter,
we
are
working
on
that
permanent,
supportive
housing
with
the
quality
and
that
has
been
purchased
and
we
have
79
units
that
we
will
more
than
likely
be
dedicated
to
permanent,
supportive
housing
for
the
homeless.
So
I
just
yeah.
D
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
about
these
endeavors
and
their
great
community
benefits,
but
we're
talking
about
a
small
site
here,
and
I
just
I
wouldn't
want
to
dilute
the
home
ownership
opportunity
with
other
things
like
like
a
ymca
or
the
homeless,
shelter
which
I
think
are
being
addressed
in
other
areas.
So
I
I
would
have
to
agree
with
the
motion
that
we.
C
D
To
the
original
intent,
which
is
affordable,
housing
for
sale
as
a
preference,
a
flexible
approach
because
of
the
and
when
you
talk
about
flexible,
you
really
talk
about
the
economics
at
the
moment.
That's
the
flexibility.
We
need,
because
these
people
aren't
going
to
build
this.
If
it
is,
it
doesn't
work
and
the
economic
ground
beneath
our
feet
is
changing
rapidly
and
so
yeah,
the
for
sale,
preference
and
the
electric
preference
and,
from
my
point
of
view,
let's
stick
with
the
housing
and.
M
C
The
I
really.
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
what
a
few
months
ago
we
we
made
this
purchase
at
that
time,
we
were
looking
at
what
I
consider
to
be
the
missing
link
in
our
affordable
housing.
That
missing
link
is
because
we
have
quite
a
bit
of
of
subsidized
housing
in
town.
We
have
quite
a
bit,
but
we
do
not
have
that
that
link
of
having
an
affordable
for
sale
product
that
can
help
our
our
citizens.
Take
that
step
up
to
the
next
level
of
personal
wealth
and
accomplishment.
C
C
C
C
C
I
C
F
C
C
C
F
F
E
Okay,
great
good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
dan
drewgen
and
I'm
the
manager
of
resources
with
cayegas
municipal
water
district.
I'm
actually
joined
this
evening
with
our
general
manager,
tony
goff
of
cayegas
and
he's
sitting
right
here
in
the
front
row
and
helen
is
right.
Today
we
had
an
extraordinary
action
from
metropolitan
water
district
where
they
adopted,
for
the
first
time
ever
an
emergency
water
conservation
program
for
a
portion
only
a
portion
of
its
service
area,
and
that
includes
areas
that
are
highly
dependent
on
state
water
project
supplies.
E
So
I
know
that
it's
public
works
appreciation
week
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
one
of
the
most
important
public
works
projects
that
has
brought
water
here
to
our
area
in
southeast
ventura
county
and
to
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
What
you
see
right
here
on
this
title
slide
is
something
that
we've
put
forward
to
the
community
over
the
past
year
and
it's
connecting
southeast
ventura
county
to
this
critical
reservoir
up
north
lake
oroville,
and
you
can
see
the
transit
the
transition.
This
is
a
big
change
from
2019.
E
To
now
that
tentacle
right
there
is
the
enterprise
bridge.
That's
one
section
of
lake
oroville
and
it
looks
very
similar
today
to
that
image
right
there
on
the
right
a
little
background
about
cayegas
water
district,
we
were
formed
in
1953
by
local
communities
to
develop
a
supplemental
water
source.
You
can
see
right
there
on
the
map
on
the
right,
how
we
articulate
down
here
in
southern
california,
to
that
small
section
of
ventura
county.
We
covered
the
cities
of
simi
valley,
moore
park
thousand
oaks,
camarillo
camarillo,
also
port
wynemi
and
city
of
oxnard.
E
We
joined
the
metropolitan
water
district
in
1960,
so
it
took
us
some
time
to
figure
out
how
to
best
provide
that
supplemental
water
service
to
the
communities
in
our
service
area,
and
so
we
joined
metropolitan
in
1960,
with
the
expectation
that
we
would
eventually
connect
to
the
state
water
project.
In
fact,
the
first
deliveries
of
state
water
to
our
service
area
occurred
in
1972..
E
The
water
prevails
that
serve
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Many
of
you
are
already
familiar
with
this,
but
to
recap
the
three
principle:
water
agencies
that
serve
your
city,
our
california,
american
water
company,
the
california
water
service
company,
both
of
those
are
privately
owned-
investor
utilities,
and
then
we
have
the
city's
own
utility,
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
There's
a
small
sliver
of
camarosa
water
district
up
to
the
north.
E
So
I
wanted
to
really
hammer
this
home
within
the
first
couple
of
slides
with
some
key
takeaways
for
everyone.
Here
there
are
insufficient
supplies
to
meet
normal
demands
in
the
cayuga
service
area
this
year.
This
is,
in
fact,
the
worst
drought
in
the
history
of
cayegas
and
in
the
history
of
the
state
water
project.
Since
imported
water
from
the
system
came
to
caiaphas
in
1972.
E
E
We're
going
to
talk
more
about
that
concept
later
on
in
this
presentation,
but
when
we
start
taking
that
water,
eventually
there's
a
high
probability
this
year
of
a
no
outdoor
water
use
mandate
for
a
portion
of
this
year
as
soon
as
potentially
september
and
into
next
year.
If
supplies
do
not
improve
on
the
state
water
project
system,
this
fall
and
winter.
E
So
how
did
we
get
here?
This
is
a
big
change.
This
is
a
sudden
change.
If
there's
any
theme
here
tonight
bouncing
around
from
crisis
to
crisis,
this
will
be
a
defining
issue
for
thousand
oaks
this
summer
and
for
all
communities
that
we
serve
in
southeast
ventura
county
to
talk
about
the
state
water
project
and
how
this
works.
E
We
have
the
northern
sierras
that
can
be
imagined
as
the
california
water
bank
that
serves
23
million
people,
the
majority
of
that
population,
19
million
reside
in
southern
california
in
the
metropolitan
water
district
service
area,
that
snowpack
accumulates
in
the
winter
time
and
it
runs
off
in
the
spring
and
summer
months
into
large
reservoirs
that
flow
south
all
by
gravity
to
the
bay
delta.
You
can
see
like
oroville
right
there
and
those
tentacles
that
that
reach
into
the
feather
river
watershed
like
oroville,
is
a
3.5
million
acre
foot
reservoir.
E
It's
the
headworks
of
the
state
water
project
like
orville
drains
and
the
feather
river.
The
feather
river
eventually
meets
up
with
the
sacramento
river
draining
into
the
delta,
all
by
gravity
from
the
delta.
We
need
to
pump
that
water
south.
That's
the
department
of
water
resources
with
their
pumping
plant
through
the
california
aqueduct,
and
you
can
see
at
the
terminus
down
there.
E
That's
continuing
today,
the
issue
with
our
snowpack
and
on
the
state
water
project
supplies.
This
is
the
issue
and
it's
climate
change.
Over
the
past
10
years,
there's
only
been
two
years
since
2011,
where
the
snowpack
has
been
above
average
significantly
above
average.
What
we're
dealing
with
here
is
extreme
variability
with
our
water
supplies.
You
can
see
the
last
drought
under
governor
brown's
tenure
from
2012
to
2016
how
those
water
years
shaped
up
with
our
sierra
snowpack
and
then
what
happened.
E
We
had
record-breaking
storms
in
2017.,
busted
us
out
of
the
out
of
the
drought
right
and
now
we
see
that
extreme
variability
occurring
again
in
2018
in
2019
another
record
banner
year
for
water
supply
and
now
in
2022,
we're
in
the
third
consecutive
year
of
an
extremely
dry
situation
for
our
water
supplies
for
the
state
water
project.
Now,
how
does
snowpack
translate
to
water
that
actually
gets
pumped
down
south
to
southern
california?
E
So
to
recap
this
is
the
third
year
of
extreme
drought.
When
we
think
of
threes,
this
is
the
driest
three
year
period
on
record
for
our
state
water
supply.
We
experience
the
driest
three
months
january.
Through
march
2022,
we've
had
a
whiplash
of
a
water
year
right,
we've
seen
that
term
in
the
news
a
record
december,
the
snowiest
month
on
record
to
now
the
driest
three
months
in
the
history
of
california,
and
now
that's
impacting
our
state
water
supply
and
on
the
bottom
here
this
chart
you
can
see
the
lar.
E
E
So
that
tells
us
that
our
baseline
modeling
needs
to
be
reevaluated
in
the
future,
so
state
water
project
dependent
areas,
and
what
does
that
mean
so
metropolitan
water
district
serves
19
million
people,
six
county
service
area,
and
this
image
right
here
shows
the
shaded
areas
that
are
highly
dependent
on
this
water
supply
to
the
west.
You
can
see
cayegas
municipal
water,
district,
los
virginis,
municipal
water,
district
and
the
la
department
of
water
and
power,
perhaps
the
biggest
agency
that
will
be
impacted
by
this.
E
E
This
picture
right
here
shows
the
kayakis
distribution
system
in
red
and
how
we
connect
to
the
metropolitan
water
district
system.
Just
for
a
little
more
background
on
that,
you
can
see
castaic
lake
right
there
at
the
top
of
the
image
and
how
that
pipeline
from
metropolitan
comes
down
to
their
jensen.
Treatment
plant
in
granada
hills
and
state
water
makes
its
way
through
two
parallel
feeders
that
connect
up
to
that
single
connection.
E
E
Well,
this
was
an
announcement
back
in
december
1st
2021,
the
department
of
water
resources
actually
announced
a
zero
percent
state
water
project
allocation
that
we
would
have
to
plan
for
this
year
in
this
image
shows
that
they
are
prioritizing
keeping
water
supplies
back
in
lake
oroville
to
flush
out
the
salinity
that's
coming
in
from
the
san
francisco
bay.
That's
fouling
this
estuary,
this
system
that
we
need
to
convey
the
freshwater
supply
south
to
those
pumping
plants
and
those
pumping
plants
pump
it
to
southern
california,
so
they're,
maintaining
the
water
quality
requirements
in
the
delta.
E
So
we
don't
lose
that
system.
That's
a
big
problem
for
the
state
water
project
is
that
we
have
to
pump
the
water
south
from
this
very
environmentally
sensitive
area.
We've
talked
about
a
through
delta
solution
for
decades,
a
tunnel
underneath
the
delta
a
tunnel
around
the
delta,
and
it
has
not
come
to
pass
yet.
E
So
what
we
see
right
here
is
in
the
summertime
health
and
safety
needs.
So
that's
water
that
the
department
is
prepared
to
deliver
to
us
when
our
state
water
project
water
supply
runs
out.
Now
when
that
water
supply
gets
delivered
to
meet
those
health
and
safety
needs,
the
state
is
expecting
some
very
rigorous,
mandatory
water
conservation
actions
that
will
be
taken
to
the
areas
that
depend
on
this
water.
E
That's
the
zero
percent
allocation
back
december
first
and
then
what
happened?
Well,
we
had
december
right
december
was
the
snowiest
month
on
record
in
january
20th
the
department
of
water
resources
bumped
up
the
allocation
to
15
at
the
time
that
was
very
conservative
to
bump
it
up
to
15
percent.
Now,
with
a
15
percent
allocation
metropolitan
was
expecting
that
it
could
meet
all
demands
for
its
state
water
project
dependent
areas
for
the
entire
year,
with
no
mandatory
conservation.
E
Then
we
had
the
whiplash
right
here
in
december.
This
image
shows
over
19,
almost
19
trillion
gallons
of
water
poured
across
the
state,
as
we
went
through
those
next
three
months,
essentially
nothing
here
in
february,
and
how
this
looks
on
a
a
chart
with
our
precipitation
index
here
that
tracks
the
accumulation
of
water
supplies
up
in
these
northern
sierra
watersheds.
E
That's
that
flat
lining
that
you
see
right
here
from
january
all
the
way
through
march.
So
in
the
beginning
of
this
water
year
a
water
runs
from
october
to
september.
We
were
tracking
some
of
our
wettest
years
on
record
and
then
we
all
of
a
sudden
flatlined
and
we're
about
to
end
the
year
below
average.
Now
we
are
seeing
some
late
season.
Storms
come
in
in
april,
we've
seen
the
news
on
that,
but
these
light
season
storms
are
not
enough.
We
just
had
the
driest
three-month
period
on
record
in
california.
Our
watersheds
are
dry.
E
E
E
So
what
happened
when
the
allocation
changed
from
fifteen
percent
to
five
percent?
Well,
the
chart
on
the
left
shows
with
a
fifteen
15
base
allocation.
That's
the
light
blue
box
at
the
bottom
metropolitan
had
balanced
all
supplies
for
demands
that
year,
essentially
not
needing
any
mandatory
conservation.
E
Now
with
a
5,
you
can
see
that
blue
box
at
the
bottom,
shrinking
to
just
a
third
of
that
base
supply
that
we
needed
to
get
through
the
year.
We
see
new
boxes
coming
at
the
top
of
this
on
the
right
demand,
reduction
and
health
and
safety
demand
reduction
is
pretty
self-explanatory.
That's
the
need
for
mandatory
conservation,
health
and
safety
is
essentially
water
supplies
that
we
don't
have.
You
can
think
of
it
as
welfare.
E
We
look
at
this
on
a
monthly
time,
step
january
through
december
on
a
calendar
year
basis.
That's
how
metropolitan
manages
demands.
We
run
out
of
the
state
water
project,
five
percent
allocation
and
also
supplies
that
metropolitan
has
in
storage
in
san
luis
reservoir,
which
is
just
south
of
the
delta.
By
may
so,
starting
in
june,
you
can
see
that
tan
colored
bars
bar
showing
up
that's
the
health
and
safety
water
that
the
state
is
providing
to
metropolitan
that
actually
increases
the
risk
of
a
no
outdoor
water
use
scenario.
E
If
we
don't
conserve,
you
can
see
these
white
boxes
at
the
top
starting
in
june.
The
need
to
conserve
those
boxes
are
not
supplies
that
metropolitan
has
to
meet
demand.
That's
essentially
the
implementation
of
mandatory
conservation,
so
health
and
safety
water.
What
does
again
a
little
bit
more
on
that
in
the
state
water
project
contract
the
state
may
allocate
water
supplies
on
some
other
basis
to
meet
domestic
supply,
fire
protection
and
sanitation
needs.
E
The
one
path
is
a
one
day,
a
week:
watering
restriction
for
potable
water
or
equivalent.
So
this
is
a
one
day
a
week,
watering
mandate
that
would
be
placed
on
agencies.
It
will
be
up
to
individual
local
agencies
and
how
they
want
to
best
implement
that,
in
the
spirit
of
meeting
one
day
a
week,
watering
there
will
have
to
be
rigorous
enforcement
that
we
have
to
prove
to
metropolitan,
to
avoid
surcharges.
E
Now
the
metropolitan,
the
ciagas
water
rate
right
now
is
right.
Around
1600
per
acre
foot,
the
surcharge,
if
you
do
not
meet
this
is
two
thousand
dollars
an
acre
foot.
On
top
of
that
now,
the
other
pathway
is
a
volumetric
target
based
on
population,
and
this
is
that
concept
of
gallons
per
capita
per
day,
and
so
all
of
us
at
home.
We
all
have
our
own
unique
gallons
per
capita
per
day
usage
that
we
use
in
and
around
our
home.
E
On
top
of
that
that
metropolitan
has
available
from
its
normal
state
water
project
supplies
in
total
that
total
volumetric
target
allocation
is
about
80
gallons
per
capita
per
day
now
to
tie
that
directly
back
to
thousand
oaks,
your
current
gallons
per
capita
per
day
for
the
entire
or
well
for
this
city,
the
city's
utility,
not
the
other
areas,
not
the
investor-owned
areas,
but
your
city's
utility
is
175.,
175
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
So
to
get
from
175
to
80.
E
This
is
that
concept
again
of
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
You
can
think
of
them
as
gallons
stacked
up
right
and
how
that
water
use
makes
up
your
use
in
and
around
the
home.
The
outdoor
water
use
is
the
biggest
component
of
that
now.
This
is
just
for
illustrative
purposes.
Only
that
shows
136
gallons
per
capita
per
day,
but
of
this
total,
that's
about
you
know,
between
40
to
70
percent
of
your
total
use
is
outdoors.
E
So
how
are
we
going
to
do
this?
How
are
we
going
to
get
through
this?
With
these
mandatory
water
restrictions
that
are
coming
down,
we
have
to
focus
again
on
residential
turf
and
non-functional
turf.
Non-Functional
turf
is
a
very
big
topic
right
now.
We've
seen
this
in
southern
nevada,
with
how
they've
banned
non-functional
turf
and,
in
fact,
governor
newsom,
his
march
28
executive
order
directed
the
state
water
board,
who
was
our
water
regulator
to
implement
a
ban
on
irrigating,
non-functional
turf
in
and
around
commercial
industrial
and
institutional
buildings?
E
So
I
have
an
image
right
here
of
a
potential
non-functional
turf
area
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
on
the
top
right,
but
this
is
tough.
This
will
be
really
difficult
because,
with
a
one
day
week,
watering
manda
mandate
we're
essentially
signaling
to
customers
that
we
need
you
to
sacrifice
your
turf
to
save
trees.
E
We
need
to
save
the
urban
canopy.
We
need
to
prioritize
parks.
How
are
we
going
to
do
that
together
in
creative
ways,
potentially
trucking
in
recycled
water
having
local
agencies
with
their
one
day
week?
Watering
ordinances
there
are.
There
is
the
ability
to
have
exemptions
for
for
parks
and
for
school
fields,
it's
up
to
the
locals
and
how
they
want
to
do
that.
N
N
Okay,
yeah!
Well,
you
know
I
just
if
I
may
interrupt
for
a
moment.
I
was
on
the
park
board
just
recently
and
we
made
significant
reductions
in
the
amount
of
non-functional
grass
or
whatever
you
called
it
about.
20
percent
of
all
of
the
lawn
was
removed
and
replaced
with
other
things.
So
are
you
saying
there
have
to
be
further
cuts
for
like
the
our
park
district?
Would
you
envision.
E
Well,
we
would
have
to
work
together
to
identify
that
and
with
the
and
with
the
purveyors
that
serve
the
parks
directly.
But
what
we're
saying
right
now
is
with
non-functional
turf.
The
state
is
coming
up
with
its
definition
of
that
and
this.
These
mandates
that
metropolitan
just
adopted
today
will
accelerate
how
we
view
non-functional
turf
in
our
communities
and
how,
in
the
need
to
to
ban
the
irrigation
of
that,
probably
sooner
than
when
those
final
mandates
come
down
from
the
state
water
board.
E
E
What's
the
difference
right,
functional
turf
versus
non-functional
turf,
well,
non-functional
turf
are
areas
that
do
not
have
high
recreational
value.
These
are
strips,
usually
typically
of
turf
around
your
your
business
parks,
your
your
different
parkways
that
potentially
might
need
to
have
the
irrigation
stopped
and
completely
banned.
At
now.
There
could
be
ways
we
could
transfer
that
water
right.
E
If
we
ban
that
watering
at
those
areas,
then
maybe
that
water
can
be
used
to
supplement
parks,
school
fields,
those
areas
that
are
functional,
that's
the
purpose
and
goal
of
this
executive
order,
and
there
are
rebates
to
assist
with
this.
We
have
a
very,
very
successful
turf
replacement
program
that
I'm
sure
many
of
you
have
heard
about.
During
the
last
drought,
it
was
very
popular
to
replace
turf
grass
with
drought,
tolerant
landscapes.
E
Now,
with
the
a
one
day,
a
week,
watering
mandate
that's
challenging
because
it's
very
difficult
to
install
a
new
landscape
that
that
has
a
watering
requirement
during
only
a
one
day,
a
week,
watering
mandate.
So
the
turf
replacement
program
will
actually
postpone
new
plantings,
but
we
still
want
you
to
rip
out
the
turf.
So
we
can
realize
the
immediate
savings
and
then
we'll
postpone
the
plantings
until
the
water
supplies
improve
on
the
state
water
project.
E
This
is
similar
to
what
marin
had
done
actually
last
year
when
they
were
facing
really
strict
water
conservation
mandates
for
their
service
area,
marin
county.
So
to
recap,
these
drought
actions
right
now
april,
12th
metropolitan.
They
heard
an
information
item
on
the
one
day,
a
week,
watering
mandate
or
equivalent
on
april
26,
which
was
today
metropolitan,
adopted
an
emergency
water
conservation
program
for
its
state
water
project,
dependent
areas
that
has
the
two
pathways
for
compliance.
One
day
week,
watering
or
a
volumetric
target
based
on
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
E
This
is
how
this
looks
on
an
ad
we're
currently
developing
this.
We
have
right
now
a
crisis
of
supply,
but
also
a
crisis
of
communication,
because
this
happened.
This
has
all
happened
very
quickly
and
we're
working
with
our
purveyors
to
develop.
Advertising
like
this
that
we
can
put
in
the
paper
help
purveyors
out
with
messaging
to
the
public,
we're
all
we're
all
frantically
doing
that
right
now
also,
we
are
launching
a
new
drought
response
task
force
and
we
would
invite
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
to
participate
in
this.
This
is
something
that's
new.
B
If
I
might
just
add
one
additional
point,
as
you
mentioned
at
the
end,
that
they
are
considering
the
a
new
measure
of
creating
a
task
force,
and
so
we
are
going
to
be
back
in
front
of
the
city
council,
this
is
an
update
briefing
tonight
be
back
in
front
of
the
city
council.
The
24th
of
may
be
our
intention
at
that
point
in
time.
If
the
council
wanted
to
make
it
does
make
an
appointment
of
a
designee
to
that
task.
Force
as
an
elected
official
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
make
that
appointment.
That
evening.
E
B
That
is
correct,
and
that
is
really
why
we
wanted
to
do
an
update
item
first.
So
this,
if
you've
seen
l.a
times,
article
was
posted
just
a
few
hours
ago
before
we
walked
in
here.
So
I
can
assure
you
we're
the
first
agency
having
this
conversation,
cities
of
simi
valley,
cities
of
moorpark.
This
is
all
forthcoming,
so
it's
a
chance
to
really
put
it
on
the
radar.
I
thought
that
was
incredibly
important
for
all
of
us
to
begin
having
this
this
discussion,
because
it
is
a
extremely
tight
timeline.
We're
going
to
be
providing.
B
You
know
our
comments
as
this
moves
forward
in
terms
of
timing
associated
with
that
and
our
team's
very
actively
engaged
in
that
one
of
the
big
challenges.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
when
you
saw
it
in
the
presentation,
is
that
we
are
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
We
have
three
purveyors,
two
private
companies
and
a
public
agency.
B
J
J
Why
is
it
taking
so
long
for
metropolitan
cayegas
to
ring
the
bell
and
bring
this?
It
should
have
been
done
last
year,
not
that
it's
going
to
be
make
any
difference,
but
in
the
future
we're
going
to
face
this
again.
What
was
it
that
keeps
you
from
bringing
this
forward
last
year
instead
of
this
year,.
E
E
The
15
state
water
allocation
that
the
department
had
released
was
conservative.
At
that
time,
overly
conservative,
the
runoff
projections
were
through
the
roof,
but
the
department's,
the
department
of
water
resources,
the
state
operator
of
the
state
water
project,
their
own
modeling,
did
not
predict
this.
I
think
the
best
way
to
to
answer
your
question
is
we're
living
in
a
period
we've
never
lived
in
before
it's
a
big
change.
It's
climate
change.
We
need
to
change
water
use
habits
together.
We
need
to
change
out
our
landscaping.
This
is
about
change.
E
We
need
to
change
together
the
city,
the
city
and
cayegas,
with
how
we
manage
through
this
crisis
in
the
future
and
to
that
point
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
at
kayakis.
We
finished
up
a
water
supply,
alternative
study,
which
is
a
part
of
our
long-term
liability
planning
process
as
well,
because
we
are
a
state
water
project,
dependent
agency.
So
what
kind
of
local
supplies
can
we
develop
to
soften
and
buffer
this
impact
in
future
years?
But
that's
a
big
change.
E
C
J
Mr
finley,
when
I
came
on
board
last
year,
as
a
council
member,
one
of
my
big
emphasis
was
to
work
with
water,
sustainability
and
reuse,
and
we
talked
about
running
a
line
from
our
wastewater
plant
that
I
believe
you
and
I
discussed.
10
million
dollars
or
10
million
gallons
a
day
of
quality
water
goes
out
into
a
stream
leaving
down
to
camarillo
and
further
out
about
recapturing
that
water
and
bringing
it
back
up,
and
you
came
up
with
a
wonderful
plan
working
with
our
partners
at
las
verginis.
J
I'd
like
you
to
explain
that
project,
but
also
you
and
I
have
discussed
capturing
that
water
in
the
camarillo
basin
there,
where
camaros
is
located
about
collecting
the
water,
both
storm
water
and
what
comes
out
of
our
waste
water
plant.
I'm
looking
for
a
vision
here
for
water
sustainability
and
reuse.
Here.
What
do
we
have
in
the
works?
And
what
can
we
do
in
the
future
and
what
are
some
of
our
challenges?.
G
That's
the
first
that
and
that
would
provide
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
about
roughly
ten
percent
of
our
our
look
as
a
local
supply.
It's
it's
not
not
everything
we
can
eat,
but
that's
the
first
step
we're
also
looking
at
potential
diversion
of
stormwater
into
that
into
that
same
treatment
facility,
starting
first
on
the
east
side
of
the
city.
That
would
naturally
flow
into
their
wastewater
system,
but
again
that
exercise
could
grow
into
future
water
resources
throughout
the
rest
of
the
city
to
the
to
the
west.
G
The
treatment
plan
is
another
is
another
option.
Currently,
our
discharge
from
the
treatment
plant
is
utilized
to
nearly
100
percent
by
camarosa
water
district.
They
divert
that
water
and
put
it
into
settling
basins
and
ponds
for
the
pleasant
valley,
water
district,
it's
used
in
the
oxnard
plains
and
in
their
district
they're,
actually
in
combination
with
the
county,
looking
at
additional
projects,
some
additional
basins
that
we
might
be
able
to
divert
some
storm
water
into
to
add
additional
groundwater
down
at
that
end
of
the
basin.
G
G
Camarosa
is
a
state
water
user
city
of
oxnard
is
so
even
by
us,
helping
them
get
more
water
that
they
can
use,
frees
up
supplies.
Basically,
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
from
on
the
state
water
project,
so
we're
all
in
this
together
as
a
county
and
as
a
region
and
that's
the
way
we're
approaching
it.
F
Those
complexes
use
most
of
their
water
for
landscaping
or
a
lot
of
them
do
the
hoas
in
particular,
tend
to
have
a
lot
of
turf
grass
and
actually
they'll
be
one
of
the
first
entities
that
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
in
terms
of
gray
water.
It
depends
on
the
size
of
the
system
if
you're
talking
about
putting
it
for
a
complete
multi-family
development.
I
think
the
challenge
is
for
existing
developments.
They
don't
have
dual
plumbing,
so
there
isn't
really
an
easy
way
of
capturing
that
water.
F
It's
a
different
question
with
new
developments.
You
could
dual
plumb
a
new
development.
The
the
challenge
is
that
it
adds
quite
a
bit
of
cost,
not
only
they
have
to
collect
and
recirculate
the
water.
There
are
strict
health
and
safety
requirements
on
the
treatment
of
that
water,
so
it's
a
feasible
option
for
new
development,
but
it's
not
really
it's
sort
of
cost
prohibitive,
or
it's
just
too
difficult
to
do
with
existing
developments
because
of
the
plumbing
requirements.
G
M
M
G
We
are
actually
developing
door
hangers
now
and
we
are
going
to
have
our
staff
the
next
time
they
drive
by
and
in
fact
following
starting
next
week
when
they
drive
by
a
residence,
and
they
see
water
flowing
off
the
residence
they're
going
to
give
them
a
door.
Hanger
and
say:
hey
you
guys,
we
need
to
be
conserving
water.
Please
fix
your
sprinklers.
Please
know
that
this
one
day
a
week,
watering
is
coming.
G
G
We
make.
We
may
also
come
back
to
council
with
a
potential
for
for
additional
penalties
for
water
wasting.
So
there's
there's
opportunities,
we're
looking
at
all
the
op
options.
Again,
we
want
to
be
consistent
with
what
our
other
two
water
purveyors
are
doing
in
town,
so
we'll
be
convening
with
them
later
this
week
and
next
to
to
make
sure
that
what
it,
what
they're
doing
we're
doing,
what
we're
doing
they're
doing
so
that
our
so
that
our
enforcement
is
similar.
M
So,
just
to
be
clear-
and
this
I
think
this
is
this.
My
third
question.
Okay,
just
to
be
clear,
we
will
have
three
different
task:
force
teams
or
enforcement
teams,
one
for
cal-am,
the
other
one
for
california,
water
and
one
for
the
city
driving
around
town
and
giving
out
tickets
or
door
hangers.
Is
that
what
it
will
look
like.
E
B
And
I
think
your
point
is
a
very
good
one,
and
that's
why
I
mentioned
at
the
outset.
Being
in
sync
is
incredibly
important:
we
have
the
additional
complexity
of
the
three
purveyors,
and
so
what
the
dos
vientos
hoa
experiences
the
north
ranch
hoa
experiences
and
what
central
to
experiences
needs
to
be
in
sync
and
so
we're
whether
that's
fines
and
penalties.
C
And
just
for
I'm
a
little,
I
am
more
than
a
little
frustrated
with
the
time
frame
here.
The
time
frame
of
coordinating
three
separate
agencies
with
any
type
of
luckily,
our
other
agencies
are
private
companies,
which
are
a
little
more
nimble
than
a
public
agency
who
needs
all
the
noticing
that
we
need
to
do.
N
N
G
So
I
let
me
take
a
stab
at
that.
It's
my
understanding
that
that
those
systems
are
fully
subscribed,
in
other
words,
there's
not
really
any
additional
water
that
they
have
available,
particularly
in
the
summer
and
in
fact,
los
virginis,
and
I
assume
triumph.
Although
I
haven't
heard
this
specifically
is,
is
cutting
back
their
recycled
water
use
by,
I
want
to
say,
25
percent
is,
I
think
the
number
I've
heard.
G
F
N
Well,
in
my
case,
I
have
a
very
small
amount
of
turf,
but
I'd
be
better
off
if
you
can
water
for
15
minutes
to
do
two,
seven
and
a
half
minutes
two
different
days.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
too
many
fine
points
here,
but
would
that
meet
the
requirements?
If
you
could
do
it
two
days
for
half
the
time.
N
E
N
J
J
That's
a
that's.
A
real
consideration
in
my
opinion.
Second,
is
that
mr
findlay,
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
storm
water
capture
and
reuse.
I
acknowledge
the
agreements
we
have
with
cal
am,
I
believe,
not
skellim.
It's
camarosa
that
to
me
storm
water
capture
and
reuse,
to
take
the
10
million
acre
gallons
per
day
and
be
able
to
use
it
for
thousand
oaks
use.
J
I
C
G
Yeah,
I
just
had
one
point
of
clarification
I
did
want
to
make
and-
and
I
think
it's
important
when
we
talk
about
a
new
development
today
and
we're
talking
about
condominiums
patio
homes,
townhouses
apartments,
the
the
typical
apartment
townhome
uses,
I
mean
it
uses
between
five
and
seven
units
of
water
a
month,
the
typical
single-family
home
uses
25
to
35
and
on
up
in
thousand
oaks.
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
that
point.
It's
it's
all
about
the
outdoor
watering
is
is
what
that's
about
it
has.
D
G
D
D
Although
there
was
no
plan
for
drought
at
the
time
these
communities
went
in
and
so
yeah
you
stand
on
any
hillside
and
you
look
out
and
all
you
see
is
roofs,
so
I
think
you
said
70
of
the
water
use
is
outdoors
and
30
is
in
okay,
so
yeah.
I
just
want
to
get
down
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
so
for
somebody
who's
living
in
a
tract
house
right
on
a
quarter
acre
whatever
it
is,
what
tract
houses
all
around
them?
They
got
a
sprinkler
system,
they
got
a
lawn,
they
got.
D
D
E
Yeah,
so
what
what
this
means
for
the
typical
average
single-family
homeowner
in
thousand
oaks,
that
if
you
have
turf
you
may
have
to
sacrifice
your
turf
to
save
trees
and
to
save
the
urban
canopy.
I
think
that's
the
take
home
message.
You
need
to
prioritize
your
one
day
a
week,
watering
for
for
the
areas
around
your
home
that
have
high
value
and
that
would
likely
be
trees.
Now,
if
you
have
warm
season
grass,
maybe
on
one
day
a
week
watering,
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
stressed.
E
If
you
have
cool
season
grass,
it's
likely
going
to
die,
it's
likely
going
to
go
brown,
and
so
I
think
the
key
message
point
from
a
lot
of
us
that
you'll
see
and
it's
not
just
callegas.
We
share
this
problem
with
ladwp
with
lost
mergedness
those
areas
on
the
east
side,
it's
probably
going
to
be
let
your
lawn
go
brown
and
that's
probably
going
to
be
a
key
message.
Point
that's
going
to
resonate
with
our
our
class
of
customers
out
here
in
cayegas.
F
D
F
F
You
know
if
people
act
now
they
can
take
advantage
of
the
turf
rebate
program.
So
right
now,
residents
can
apply
for
a
turf
rebate.
They
get
three
dollars
a
square
foot
for
for
killing
their
turf,
essentially
removing
it
and
then
eventually
replacing
it
with
some
other
drought,
tolerant,
landscaping
and
as
dan
mentioned,
because
that
replanting
program
is
on
hold
right
now
they
don't
have
to
replant
immediately,
but
they
do
need
to
apply
for
the
turf
rebate.
F
D
G
D
D
G
So
don't
take
showers
so
again,
it's
it's
important
that
that
your
appliances
are
are
relatively.
You
know
that
you,
your
showers,
have
low
flow
shower
heads.
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
many
folks
have
decided
well
we're
not
in
a
drought
anymore.
Let
me
put
back
in
that
that
rain
bucket
shower
head.
I
had,
but
you
know
we
need
to.
We
need
to
put
back
in
those
low
low
flow
shower
heads
if
you've
taken
them
out.
Otherwise
you
need
to
make
sure
they're
there.
G
G
Reduction,
it
has
a
list
of
restrictions,
I
mean,
if
you,
if
you're
looking
for
a
guide,
that's
probably
where
we're
going
to
come
back.
It's
pretty
close
talks
about
drip
irrigation
system
only,
in
other
words,
no
spray
heads
which
pretty
much
eliminates
turf,
but
you
know
what
you
can
keep
the
rest.
Many
of
the
rest
of
your
plants,
looking
just
great
on
drip,
irrigation.
C
G
D
G
D
C
J
C
L
L
To
speak,
this
issue,
that's
being
brought
to
the
council's
attention
this
evening,
is
something
I've
followed
over
many
years,
I'm
involved
with
ncat
and
others
national
center
for
agricultural
technology.
This
is
a
constant
topic
about
water
and
I've
seen
I've
seen
it
become
an
issue
across
the
country.
I've
been
waiting
patiently
to
see
when
it
would
re-emerge.
It's
interesting
that
the
water
district
says
that
this
is
a
new
issue.
I
can
remember
being
less
than
10
years
old
and
putting
bricks
in
my
toilet.
L
But
here
we
are
with
that
being
said,
there
was
a
daily
allocation
of
80
gallons
per
single
family
residence.
I
must
I
would
like
to
verify
that
that
number
was
correct
is
what
a
target
was,
but
with
that
a
standard
orange
tree
at
a
five
foot,
width
requires
10
gallons
per
week,
and
I've
got
32
trees,
so
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
specifically
ventura
county,
has
some
of
the
best
agricultural
land
in
the
country
specifically
designated
as
heritage
soils
by
the
usda
I
haven't,
planted
my
squash
corn
or
anything
else.
L
Yet
so
I
guess
the
donkey
and
chickens
are
out,
but
my
point
specifically
to
the
city
council
is
when
I
called
in
looking
for
an
agricultural
allocation.
I
was
told
that
it
was
not
something
that
a
thousand
ounce
water
had
looked
into,
but
with
the
discussions
that
are
going
to
go
forward
in
the
preservation
of
our
equestrian
heritage
or.
L
C
E
So,
city,
council
members,
one
part
of
that
public
comment
that
I
heard
was
the
80
gallons
per
capita
per
day.
If
that
is
correct,
that
is
correct,
and
so
the
55
gallons
per
capita
per
day
is
backstopped
by
the
state,
and
then
metropolitan
only
has
that
small
increment,
which
is
that
25
gallons
per
capita
per
day
on
top,
and
it's
really
intended
to
meet
the
same
level
of
conservation
that
the
one
day
week.
Watering
is
the
issue
with
the
one
day
week.
E
Watering
is
there's
no
volumetric
goal
or
target
with
that
we
we
have
to
wait
and
see
how
the
conservation
accumulates
when
we
have
that
implemented
in
the
city.
Now
that
26
shrinks
that
26
gallons
per
capita
per
day,
that
metropolitan
has
will
shrink
if
we
don't
meet
the
conservation
goals
and
then
essentially,
what
we're
left
is
that
backstop
of
55
gallons
per
capita
per
day,
and
what
does
that
translate
to
to
a
message?
C
M
M
E
Right,
so
so,
when
that,
if
that
situation
comes
to
pass
with
the
no
after
water
use
and
the
health
and
safety
water,
the
state
will
provide
two
metropolitan
and
two
cayegas
that
water
is
expected
to
continue
through
next
year.
If
we
don't
see
the
supplies
come
into
the
system,
I
think
it's
hard
to
say
that
we'll
have
another
december
like
we
just
had
this
past
year,
and
you
know
we
would
have
to
see
if
it's
going
to
be
another
la
nina
year.
J
C
J
Thank
you
mayor,
mr
findlay.
Again
we're
talking
about
functional
versus
non-functional
greenery
out
landscape,
any
direction
from
you
or
anyone
else
on
staff
regarding
the
medians
that
we
have
that
have
natural
grass
that
needs
to
be
watered
converting
that
over
into
other
drought,
drought,
tolerant
plants
or
even
into
rocks
that
I'm
not
real
excited
about
as
far
as
aesthetics,
but
any
other
options.
We
want
to
look
at
here.
G
G
One
of
the
things
the
city
will
be
doing
is
looking
at
the
rest,
any
remaining
turf
that
we
have
here
at
city
hall
as
well
as
there
are
several
other
monuments
areas
that
the
example
being
lynn
and
hillcrest.
Where
there's
a
fairly
large
turf
area,
we
will
be
looking
at
how
we
might
remove
that
turf,
stop
watering
it
for
sure
and
maybe
replace
it
with
some
mulch
and
some
landscaping
again.
G
We
have
to
be
very
careful
about
planting
any
new
plants
at
this
point
in
time,
we'll
likely
put
off
the
planting
until
closer
to
the
fall
or
winter
when
we
might
get
some
natural
natural
rainfall
to
help
out
with
that,
and
the
temperatures
obviously
would
be
more
favorable,
so
we'll
be
doing
that.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
the
the
city
is
stockpiling
mulch,
that
mulch
is
available
at
the
library
for
free.
We
keep
there
there's
a
bin
there,
that's
that's!
We
keep
it
full
or
attempt
to
keep
it
full.
G
That
is
a
great
alternative
if
you're,
an
interim
alternative
for
an
area
that
where
you
are
removing
your
turf
and
you
just
want
to
cover
it
with
mulch
or
even
covering
the
areas
where
you're
keeping
your
trees
with
mulch,
because
again
that
helps
keep
the
water
lets
the
water
get
into
the
roots.
So
that's
a
that's
a
great
method
for
water
efficiency,
so
that
and
there's
lots
of
other
ideas
we'll
be
putting
stuff
out
in
social
media
and-
and
you
can
always
contact
the
city
for
for
for
for
additional
information.
J
Second
question:
I
have
is
last
year
at
the
venture
county,
american
or
ventura
county
association
of
water
agencies.
They
had
a
wonderful
presentation
by
the
farmers
bureau
and
they
spoke
of
how
the
farmers
here
in
ventura
county
have
overdrafted
their
wells,
and
the
state
has
come
in
and
told
them
that
40
of
their
land
is
not
to
be
planted
and
leaving
soil.
Feral
is
not
a
good
way
of
maintaining
the
biology
within
the
soil
for
future
growth,
and
that's
going
to
really
devastate
this
county
from
an
agricultural
standpoint.
J
G
Yeah,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
respond
so
so
you
know
we
are
solely
dependent
here
in
thousand
oaks
on
imported
water.
So
some
of
the
other
agencies
have
have
blended,
blended
water
sources.
They
have
some
groundwater,
some
state
water,
so
camarillo
being
an
example.
They
recently
just
brought
a
desalter
online,
so
I
would
be,
I
would
be
hoping-
and
I
and
I
think
again,
as
we
all
talk
this
is
this
is
a
county-wide
problem.
G
You
know
what,
if
I
need
to
kill
my
lawn
to
make
sure
that
my
my
urban
forest
remains
healthy.
That's
probably
a
better
long-term
decision
on
my
part,
and
we
all
need
to
think
that
way.
What
can
we
do
to
keep
our
community
as
beautiful
as
it
can
be,
and
and
continue
to
make
thousand
oaks
the
beautiful
place
that
it
is.
B
And
just
building
on
the
comment
about
trees,
we
did
procure
a
water
truck
we
during
the
last
drought,
and
we
did
that
kind
of
specific
to
some
of
the
points
you're
making.
We
actually
use
reclaimed
water
and
truck
that
water
in
through
specific
to
some
of
those
those
critical
trees
and
we've
already
had
conversations
about
ensuring
that
that
continues
forward.
C
C
G
So
again,
there's
going
to
be
cutbacks
everywhere
on
water
use,
but
at
least
I
consider
our
public
golf
courses,
recreation,
active
turf,
they're
used
actually
every
day
all
day.
So
we'll
have
discussions
about
what
sort
of
water
they
may
be
able
to
use
our
stage.
Four
drought
conditions
actually
has
a
one-day
exception
for
parks
and
active
play
sites.
M
Now
is
the
city
as
a
purveyor
going
to
look
at
each
household's
water
usage
to
see
that
they
have
reduced
it
by
50
percent,
because
if
someone
is
using
water
now,
500
plus
ccfs
and
reducing
it
to
250,
that's
still
still
astoundingly
much
much
more
than
the
average
household.
So
what
do
we
do?
In
that
case,.
G
So
we
will
be
targeting
our
outreach
efforts
and
really
trying
to
drive
people
to
either
one
day
a
one
day
a
week,
water
use
or
or
that
reduction
down
to
just
indoor
use
plus
very
efficient
outdoor
use.
Currently,
our
tier
system
is
designed
13
units
of
water
a
month
that
is
designed
for
indoor
use
and
some
outdoor
use.
Again,
as
I
stated
most
of
our
condominiums,
our
town
homes,
they
use
less
than
10..
G
C
C
And
then,
if
we
don't
do
our
reductions,
we
will
net
a
two
thousand
dollar
fine
for
each
acre
foot
over
the
amount
or
allow
it
is
that
right,
so,
basically,
more
than
more
than
double
the
price
that
would
go,
we
would
be
the
the
payer
of
that
fine
correct.
If
our,
if
our
citizens
don't
comply
with
the
types
of
reductions
that
would
be
required.
C
G
C
J
G
That
person
who
is
already
efficiently
using
their
water
would
we
we
know
we
know
how
much
every
every
customer
uses
and
that
person
who
is
already
very
efficiently
using
water.
We
won't,
we
won't
be.
We
won't.
I
would
not
recommend
and
again
it's
up
to
the
council,
but
I
would
not
recommend
any
sort
of
penalty
for
those
folks
that
are
using
water
efficiently.
N
F
Well,
if
you
use
california
natives,
you
don't
have
to
water
them
at
all
because
they're
the
native
plants.
That
would
be
here
if
we
weren't
here
so
and
then
there
are
different
levels
of
drought
torrent
plants.
I
mean
the
natives
generally
do
better.
If
you
give
them
a
little
bit
of
water.
They'll
stay,
you
know
in
flower
or
greener
for
more
of
the
year,
but
literally
you
can
have
a
native
garden
without
watering
at
all.
N
B
C
N
B
Just
to
speak
to
that,
I
agree
wholeheartedly
mayor
pro
tem
jones.
You
know
the
key
for
us
is
going
to
be
to
ensure
that
that
outreach
campaign
is
done
in
conjunction
with
callegas
and
the
other
two
purveyors,
so
that
folks,
that
live
in
your
neighborhood
that
are
those
cal
water,
folks
and
folks
live
in
newbury
park.
Cal
am
folks,
are
hearing
the
same
thing
as
a
ubiquitous
message
across
the
board.
The
other
component
that
I
think
is
very
important,
is
targeted
outreach
and
I
you've
heard
the
team
mention
part
of
that
targeted
outreach.
B
B
B
Our
golf
course
did
a
massive
renovation
taking
out
significant
amounts
of
turf
grass
and
crpd
was
probably
one
of
the
single
biggest
sources
of
turf
reduction,
ornamental
turf
reduction
anywhere,
and
so
that's
why
the
messaging
here
really
has
to
be
that
those
entities
have
done
their
part.
We
have
more
to
do
here,
city
hall,
some
of
these
other
intersection
areas
to
be
demonstrations.
But
you
know
the
really
important
factor
here
is
working
targetedly
with
these
hoas
and
some
of
these
extremely
high
water
use
users
to
ensure
equitability
for
those
that
are
conserving.
C
C
This
is
one
of
those
moments
where
we're
going
to
have
to
pull
together
to
make
it
really
work
and
that
this
is
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
through
this
summer
and
then,
hopefully,
we'll
have
a
nice
winter
next
year
and
we'll
take
some
of
the
pressure
off.
But
going
back
to
what
my
my
colleague,
mr
mcnamee,
has
intimated
on
numerous
occasions.
C
The
days
of
the
big
green
lawn
are
maybe
coming
to
an
end
in
our
area,
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
really
think
about
how
we're
going
to
landscape
our
homes
into
the
future,
but
for
the
immediate
per
immediate
next
few
months,
we're
gonna
have
to
pull
together
as
a
team
and
really
make
this
work.
So
I
would
take
a
receive
and
file
motion.
If
I
have
one
like
to
move
nope.
D
Yes,
go
ahead,
I
I
just
wanted
to
address
the
speaker.
I
think
his
name
was
mr
scott.
He
mentioned
the.
I
think
he
was
referring
to
the
oaks
on
the
nazarbikin
property.
Yes-
and
I
just
want
to
assure
mr
scott
that
there
are
zero
plans,
no
plans
to
touch
those
three
legacy:
oaks
on
that
property.
We
understand
the
value
of
those
oaks,
they've
been
there
a
long
time
and
they're
going
to
be
a
long
time
from
now
so
and
then
the
other.
D
I
think
mr
finley
summed
that
up
when
he
said
we're
in
an
emergency
and
it's
starting
to
dawn
on
all
of
us
that
that's
exactly
what
we're
in
and
we're
going
to
have
to
work
together,
and
I
just
hope
we
can
kind
of
temper
the
penalty
business
with
also
trying
to
work
with
the
residents,
because
this
is
a
big
shift
in
an
attitude
that
we're
going
to
have
to
try
to
accomplish
here
so,
but
I
think
we
can
do
it.
You
know
it's
a
good
thing.
Yeah.
C
M
M
I
turned
my
garden
to
a
drought,
to
holland
garden
many
many
years
ago
and-
and
I
like
mr
finley's
proposal
or
idea,
not
to
punish
those
who
are
at
or
even
below
usage
per
household,
and
so
I
would
not
like
that
because
I
don't
know
if
I
can
get
any
lower
than
what
I
have
right
now
and
it's
pretty
pretty
darn
low.
So
but
I'm
in
a
different
district,
I'm
not
with
the
city
so
and-
and
we
are
all
in
this
together-
you
are
absolutely
right
about
that.
Yes,
hopefully
we
will
be
successful.
M
J
C
C
B
Yes,
thanks
so
much
just
next
meeting
two
weeks
from
tonight,
annual
goal
setting
session
will
be
held.
Golden
priority
session
will
be
held
in
the
founders
room
and
and
as
af
as
if
it's
the
ultimate
irony
as
you
step
outside
I've,
just
got
a
notification
that
it's
gonna
start
raining
at
9
45
tonight.