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From YouTube: General Plan Virtual Office Hours – February 11, 2021
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A
So
welcome.
Welcome
for
those
who
are
are
joining
the
meeting
this
evening.
We
encourage
you
to
turn
on
your
videos.
We
have
a
small
group
so
far
tonight,
so
we
can
have
a
more
intimate
conversation.
We
generally
prefer
people
having
having
their
their
videos
on
and
we're
just
gonna
wait
a
minute
or
two
until
we
see
if
we
can
get
a
few
more
people
to.
A
A
All
right,
I
don't
see
anyone
else
joining.
Why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
get
started
here?
Oh
someone
is
just
someone
else
is
just
coming
in
okay.
Why
don't
we
get
started?
Welcome
everyone,
we're
glad
that
you
all
could
join
this
evening
as
we
had
had
discussed
at
the
previous
at
the
previous
meeting.
This
is
in
office
hours
and
it's
really
an
opportunity
for
you
all
to
ask
us
questions
about
the
alternatives,
the
alternatives,
development
process
and
where
we're
going
with
the
project,
I
think
it
would
be.
A
This
is
meant
to
be
very
informal.
We
have
a
bunch
of
staff
folks
here
to
be
able
to
answer
questions
unless
we
get
more
folks
to
join.
I
think
we're
all
just
gonna
stay
in
one
group
together,
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
run
this.
We
first
maybe
start
with
introductions,
and
all
of
us
can
go
around
and
say
who
we
are
and
then
we
can
jump
in
and
start
asking.
You
guys
can
start
asking
questions
and
we
can
ask
you
for
some
feedback
as
well.
A
So
again,
if,
if
those
of
you
joining
would
like
to
turn
on
your
your
videos,
we
certainly
would
would
appreciate
it.
We
like
seeing
who
you
are
and
seeing
your
faces,
it's
more
personal,
so
I
I
will
start
I'm
matt
raimi
with
raymed
associates.
I
think
a
lot
of
you
have.
I
recognize
a
lot
of
your
names.
I
think
a
lot
of
you
have
have
seen
me
throughout
the
process
myself.
A
C
D
C
F
C
Kristin
but
not
least,
I'm
kristen
wright
and
I'm
a
senior
planner
and
on
the
general
plan
team.
A
All
right
now,
let's
go,
we
definitely
would
love
you
all
from
the
public
to
introduce
yourself
to
you,
it's
optional.
So
if
you
don't
want
to
that's
okay,
andrew
nice,
to
see
you,
let's
start
with
you,.
D
Hey
matt,
hello,
everybody.
My
name
is
andrew,
I'm
an
architect
and
local,
obviously
local
resident
just
interested
in
this
process
and
sort
of
collecting
some
intel
and
in
terms
of
potential
future
projects.
So.
A
D
Yeah,
this
is
andy
joe,
I'm
so
glad
to
join
this
meeting.
Until
I
I
took
a
look
at
the
2020,
I
mean
the
new
plan
2045
fund,
I'm
so
excited
so
join
the
meeting
and
to
hear
more
information
about
it.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
rosanna.
H
Hi
I'm
rosanna
guerra,
I
did
participate
and
I
think
it
was
the
february
2nd
briefing.
I
I
have
looked
over
the
briefing
book,
and
so
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
My
interests
lie.
I've
been
a
thousand
oaks
resident
since
93.
H
My
interests
lie
in
really
looking
at
what
would
be
possible
for
the
senior
population
as
well
as
the
disabled
and
affordable
housing.
So
that's
where
my
interests
lie,
and
I
want
to
give
a
voice
to
that
so
and
I'm
I'm
involved
with
a
couple
of
different
non-profit
groups
here
in
the
community.
So
that's
why
I'm
here
and
that's
what
I
want
to
get
more
information
about.
So
thank
you.
G
D
Sorry
hi,
my
name
is
pablo
boucher.
I
am
a
president
new
resident.
I
moved
into
the
thousand
notes
area
about
five
months
ago
and
I'm
interested
to
see
what
is
the
future
for
the
city.
I
am
a
small
business
owner
and
I
moved
from
the
san
fernando
valley
and
like
to
see
what
what
is
the
future
for
our
city.
C
C
Plan
because
it
will
affect
us
greatly
if
we
do
decide
to
come
back
to
thousand
oaks
in
the
future.
A
Thanks
catherine
nice
to
see
you
again
nicholas,
are
you
there.
D
Yes,
hi,
I'm
nick
real,
I'm
a.
A
And
I'm
I
was
at
the
last
meeting,
had
read
the
breeding
briefing
book
to
prepare.
I'm
just
here
to
see
what
sort
of
questions
the
rest
of
the
community
has.
So
I
can
get
more
perspectives
from
people
who
have
lived
here
longer
than
I
have
great
thanks.
A
H
Okay,
I'm
sorry
thank
you,
I'm
a
resident
of
a
thousand
oaks
and
also
a
planner
for
the
neighboring
city,
and
so
I
want
to
get
some
information
about
our
general
plan
and
if
there
is
room
to
considering
the
general
plan
for
a
live
work,
type
of
residential
structure,
if
there's
something
we
can
discuss,
is
it
can
it
be
incorporated
into
the
genome
plan
as
a
possible
solution.
D
F
Cindy
good
evening,
everyone
first,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
closed
captioning.
I
really
appreciate
that
my
name
is
cindy
lou.
I've
lived
in
thousand
oaks
area
newbury
park
for
almost
15
years,
I'm
interested
in
this
process
because
I
have
two
kids
and
in
2045
they
will
be
in
their
30s
in
their
prime
working
and
earning
window.
F
I
also
have
a
child
with
a
disability,
so
I
definitely
come
with
that
lens.
I'm,
the
founder
of
organization
called
we
belong
805
and
it
advocates
for
accessibility
as
well
as
sorry.
My
phone
is
ringing
for
people
with
disabilities,
so
I'm
coming
with
that
lens,
certainly
for
with
the
lens
of
other
marginalized
communities
like
our
senior
populations,
but
I
did
it
attend
the
february
2nd
meeting,
and
I
learned
so
much
from
the
questions
that
other
community
members
ask.
So
I'm
really
here
to
listen
as
well.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
E
Don't
have
a
video
on
my
laptop
within
a
docking
station,
I'm
too
lazy
to
take
it
out.
So
I
have
been
a
thousand
oaks
and
library
parkway
for
about
21
years
in
various
parts
of
the
city,
I
did
attend
the
meeting
last
week.
I
was
new
to
the
whole
process,
not
really.
I
had
no
idea
that
this
has
been
being
worked
on
for
the
last
year
and
a
half.
E
Fortunately,
I
saw
the
notice
in
the
acorn
and
attended
last
week's
meeting
have
looked
at
the
briefing
book
and
I
do
have
about
five
questions.
I
want
to
ask
throughout
tonight's
meeting.
A
Great
well
we're
glad
you
are.
You
are
newer
to
the
process
you
and
and
pablo,
and
we're
really
glad
you
all
are
joining
us
tonight
and
that
you,
even
though
it's
you
know
you're
later
in
the
process,
it's
never
too
late.
So
we're
glad
you're
here
so
welcome
everyone.
A
I
wanna,
you
know
we're
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna
kind
of
open
this
up,
but
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
anyone
has
any
maybe
first
sort
of
broad
questions
about
the
purpose
of
alternatives
and
the
reason
why
we're
doing
alternatives
and
how
they
were
developed
and
how
they're
being
used
in
the
process.
So
I
think
maybe
we
could
do
sort
of
start
start
big
picture
in
terms
of
just
a
couple
of
questions
or
see,
if
there's
anything
and
then
maybe
we
can
then
dive
into
some
more
specific
questions.
A
Yeah
and
yeah
you
can
just.
I
can
see
everyone.
So
if
you
guys
just
you
know,
raise
your
hand
wave
for
those
of
you
who
aren't
in
cal.
I
see
just
one
second
for
those
of
you
who
aren't
can
just
talk.
When
else
is
talking
and
we'll
we'll
call
on
you
we'll
keep
it
really
informal.
E
Okay,
well,
this
is
karen
I'll
jump
in
very
quickly.
Can
you
tell
me
what
the.
E
A
No,
that's
a
really
good
question.
No
none
of
them
do.
In
fact,
that's
one
of
our
was
our
organizing
principles
of
the
alternatives.
Is
that
we're
staying
within
that
that
residential
cap
overall,
and
so
it's
really
about
where
they
go
and
what
they
look
like
and
how
the
residential
units
help
achieve
the
vision
that
the
community
wants
for
the
city?
A
G
Cal
my
question
is:
for
going
back
to
the
basics.
Is
the
basic
guidelines
that
we're
following
this
2600
plus
housing
unit
requirement
from
the
states?
G
I
wonder
how
legal
is
that
process
that
we
must
accept
that
number
and
that's
the
only
number
that
we
have
to
design
around
seems
to
me
that
local
communities
should
have
a
say
on
how
they
want
to
develop,
how
fast
and
in
what
form
they
want
to
develop.
They
already
have
a
culture.
They
already
have
a
understanding
of
where,
where
they're
going,
presumably-
and
it
seems
a
little
unconstitutional
that
they
can
mandate
these
universal
numbers,
which
it's
not
clear
with
how
they
come
up
with
them,
I'm
sure
there's
some
criteria.
G
A
To
be
to
be
blunt
and
direct
yeah,
no,
actually
there
isn't.
Unfortunately,
there
are
a
lot
of
communities
that
are
that
are
upset
about
the
what's
called
the
arena
number
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
There
are
some
people
clearly
in
thousand
oaks
who
are
there
are
communities
throughout
southern
california
that
are
not
happy
with
what
their
allocation
is.
Proportionally
speaking,
I
know,
2600
seems
like
a
lot
for
a
thousand
oaks,
but
compared
to
other
jurisdictions,
it's
actually
compared
to
the
population
is
actually
pretty
low.
A
A
A
D
A
Yep,
it's
all
been,
it's
all
been
there's
a
process.
The
numbers
come
down
from
the
state
to
the
region,
the
southern
california
association
of
governments,
skag
allocates
those
they
develop
a
formula
and
those
the
formula
is
then,
is
then
discussed
and
analyzed
there.
The
numbers
are
put
out
as
draft
the
cities
comment
on
those
numbers.
The
numbers
become
final,
then
they're.
You
know
draft
final
and
then
there's
a
protest
process.
A
The
protest
process
has
already
occurred,
none
of
the
numbers
were
changed
and
those
these
are
the
numbers.
So
yes,
it's
been,
it's
been
tested
legally
and
they're.
Really,
you
know
it
is.
It
is
what
it
is
and
there's
other
laws
about.
You
know
even
the
2600,
the
the
city
can't
reduce
the
development
capacity,
the
residential
development
capacity
in
the
city
because
of
senate
bill
sb
330..
A
So
essentially
this
81
000
number,
which
was
in
the
1996
general
plan
and
tied
to
measure
e
81
124,
is
actually
the
the
number
that
needs
to
maintain.
The
city
needs
to
maintain
that
residential
capacity
in
some
form.
Now
you
know
there
is
you
know
the
question
becomes.
How
do
you?
A
How
do
you
allocate
that
in
a
way
that
you
preserve
what's
great
about
the
community
but
also
address
lots
and
lots
of
suggestions
that
other
community
members
have
had
throughout
the
process
about
you
know,
cindy's
cindy
brought
brought
this
up
and
catherine
brought
this
up
about.
You
know
how
to
how
do
people
who
are
younger
here
be
able
to
move
back
to
the
city
and
what
type
of
housing
is
there?
A
I
want
to
pause
for
one
second,
because
we
have
a
couple
new
folks
who
have
joined
and
we'll
let
them
introduce
themselves
here
so
mary.
I
see
that
you
have
joined.
Why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
and
say
whether
you
were
at
the
february
second
meeting
and
whether
you've
reviewed
the
briefing
book.
H
And
I
tried
to
work
with
your
interactive.
E
A
Sorry
we're
sorry
about
that.
We
are
somewhat
limited
to
technology,
but
that
is
certainly
something
we
can
go
over
and
I
think
melissa
split
up,
melissa
from
my
staff
can
pull
it
up
and
we
can
walk
through
how
to
make
those
comments.
H
A
Don't
know
yeah
well,
why
don't
we
we
can?
We
can
do
that
towards
the
end
and
if
folks
want
to
stay
on
at
the
end,
then,
and
if
we
need
to
do,
we
have
the
the
ability
to
do
breakout
rooms.
So
a
few
folks,
if
it's
too
detailed
a
few
folks,
can
go
over
in
into
a
separate
little
room
and
talk
becca.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself.
A
Great
thanks
for
joining
us
becca,
and
I
think
that
was
did
I
miss
anyone
who
needed
to
introduce
themselves.
I
think
that
is
it.
I'm.
A
Okay,
well,
we
can,
if,
if
for
some
reason
we
don't
get
to
the
map
question,
we
can
have
someone
get
in
touch
with
you
and
make
sure
that
that
you
can.
You
can
give
comments,
because
we
tried
to
give
a
lot
of
ways
to
give
comments
and
we
want
you.
We
want
the
feedback.
Okay,
karen,
I
saw
you
waving
your
arm.
There
yeah.
E
E
A
Actually
hold
on
hold
on,
you
know,
cal
or
others
were
there
any
other
questions,
just
big
picture
about
about
the
housing
units
or
development
capacity
or
the
legal
process?
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions
about
that?
I
think.
E
A
Yes,
it's
you
know,
as
as
as
policy
and
regulation
go
it's,
it
can
be
a
little
bit
confusing
and
it's
actually
that's
a
question
that
a
lot
of
planners
have
as
well.
So
there's
a
number
of
approximately
2600
housing
units
that
are,
for
this
eight
year
period,
four
thousand
oaks
and
they
are
divided
by
by
income
level,
and
there
was
a
slide
about
that
and
I
believe
that's
in
the
briefing
book
as
well.
A
I
can
pull
that
up
if
that's
helpful,
but
so
there
are
from
very
low
low,
moderate
and
above
moderate
are
the
income
categories.
A
The
idea
is
that
that
the
state
wants
to
encourage
housing
at
different
income
levels.
However,
it
is
difficult
to
require
housing,
and
so
they
what
the
state
does
is
they
use
density
as
a
proxy
for
whether
you
are
going
to
be
able
to
achieve
housing
so
at
the
very
low,
affordable
housing.
So
with
the
very
low
and
at
the
low
densities
you
the
the
parcels
that
are
housing
element
parcels
and
that
are
going
to
be
identified
later
in
the
process.
A
It's
2600
total
units
and
of
those-
and
I
can't
remember
the
the
number-
maybe
michael
you
have
that
number
in
your
head
ian-
has
that
number
yep
about
half
of
those
are
very
low
or
low,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
have
to
be
30
units.
An
acre.
E
So
now
let
me
move
to
my
next
question
that
is
moving
into
that
area
based
on
the
three
alternatives
that
have
that
have
been
put
forward.
What
is
the
range
of
the
total
number
of
housing
units
for
alternative
one,
two
and
three
that
would
be
provided
based
on
what's
out
there.
E
Yeah,
like
an
alternative
one,
would
create
how
many
housing
units
alternative
to
if
it's
up,
if
it's
adopted
as
currently
presented,
which
I
know
it's
not
going
to
be,
but
what
do
we
have
about?
What
do
these
plans
look
like
if,
if
somebody
just
you
know,
pulled
the
trigger
tomorrow
and
said
we're
going
to
go
with
this?
How
many
housing
units
would
this
need.
A
So
now-
and
I'm
glad
you
said
if
we
go
with
one
of
those
because
you
know
the
important
thing
is
these-
are
these
are
concepts
in
order
to
encourage
discussion,
and
so
I'm
glad
you
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point.
They
all
actually
will
have
the
same.
A
They
generally
have
allow
for
the
same
number
of
housing
units,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
that
was
one
of
the
the
basic
principles
was
that
that
measure
e
says
you
can't
go
above
the
number
of
80
124
and
sb
330
senate
bill
330,
which
is
a
state
law,
says
you
can't
reduce
the
number.
You
can't
reduce
capacity
in
the
city,
so
what
we
tried
to
do
was
get
as
close
as
we
could
in
the
alternatives
process
to
81
124.
A
A
A
So
the
arena
which
we
talked
about
earlier
focuses
more
on
a
on
a
a
projection
of
how
much
housing
the
city
should
plan
for
in
the
next
eight
years
and
so
build
out
is
a
theoretical
maximum.
If
you
take
every
parcel
and
build
it
to
its
maximum
capacity
now,
a
lot
of
times
parcels
are
most
of
the
times.
Parcels
are
not
built
to
their
maximum
capacity.
For
a
variety
of
reasons.
You
know
you
physically
can't
do
it
when
you
have
to
build
parking,
there's
there's
constraints
on
the
property.
A
So
there's
lots
of
reasons
why?
So?
What
that
number
is
it's
a
theoretical
maximum
that
will
never,
you
know,
will
really
never
be
achieved
in
a
city.
That's
already
mostly
built
out
right
now,
there's
about
48,
000
housing
units
in
the
city,
and
so
the
capacity
the
theoretical
capacity
is
31.
000
is
33
000
housing
units
and
I
don't
think
anyone
believes
the
city
is
going
to
add
33
000
housing
units
at
any
point
in
the
future,
and
so
you
know
this
isn't
about.
A
You
know
trying
to
get
33
000
housing
units,
it's
about
both
accommodating
the
arena,
making
sure
we're
abiding
by
state
regulations,
which
is
the
sb
330
and
also
thinking
about
what
are
the
ways
that
that
can
the
community
can
evolve
because
all
communities
evolve
in
a
variety
of
ways.
What
are
the
ways
that
the
community
can
evolve,
such
that
it
meets
other
goals
of
the
community?
A
We
did
hear
a
lot
about
the
need
for
affordable
housing
for
a
diversity
of
housing
types
from
that
there
are
young
folks
who
want
to
move
back
to
the
city.
There
are
teachers,
professors,
firemen,
policemen
who
can't
move
into
the
city
because
of
the
cost
of
housing,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
to
to
think
about
adding
a
diversity
of
housing
in
the
city.
Now
again,
you
know,
I
don't
think
anyone
believes
that
it
would
ever
get
to
thirty
three
thousand
housing
units
additional,
and
it's
certainly-
and
these
are
alternatives.
E
A
E
A
Don't
I
I
don't
have
that
exact
number
but
but
they're
all
they're,
all
the
same.
All
of
the
alternatives.
A
Yeah,
potentially
we
can
get
that
number
we
can
get
that
number
out.
But
again
I
think
this
is
about.
This
is
about
the
vision
and
not
I
mean
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
think
beyond
the
numbers
and
get
to
the
vision
of
what
you
want
to
see,
rather
than
the
numbers.
E
Well,
I
think
the
numbers
are
important
because,
with
the
community
as
a
whole,
we
do
see
a
vision
and
we
we
see
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
We
don't
want
a
general,
not
I'm
speaking
for
myself,
but
a
lot
of
people
that
I'm
involved
with
do
not
want
a
general
plan.
That
is
overkill.
So
if
we
really
only
need
an
additional
15
000
addition,
you
know,
let's
say
affordable
housing
or
multi-family
housing
units.
We
do
not
want
a
general
plan.
That's
going
to
possibly
have
30
30
000,
so
I
think
it
is
an.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
appreciate
you
saying
you
clarified
that
the
wii
was
was
you
and
the
people
you
talked
to
and
not
everybody
had
130
000
people
in
the
city.
So
thank
you
for
for
doing
that.
Okay,
so
we've
had
a
few
new
folks
join,
so
I
think
we
can
maybe
pause
a
second
and
have
have
the
new
folks
introduce
themselves.
A
B
Oh,
my
name
is
tony
good.
I
live
in
west
lake
hills.
I
did
not
attend
the
first
meeting.
One
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
hear
about
is
the
maximum
height
and
density
for
some
of
the
proposed
developments
like
on
the
christmas
tree
lot
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
I'd
like
to
understand
what
the
number
of
affordable
units
will
be
and
how
that
will
be
maximized
rather
than
just
high
rent
units.
In
some
of
these
apartments
and
condos
that
have
been
mentioned.
A
Okay,
great,
let's
hold
on
to
those
questions,
and
we
can.
We
can
certainly
come
back
to
them.
Okay,
so,
let's
see
who
else
has
joined
darren.
F
D
My
name
is
darren
gilbert.
I
live
in
sunset
hills,
and
this
is
my
first
time
to
this
meeting
and
I've
just
just
knew
a
newcomer
to
this.
A
Great
well
welcome
we're
glad
glad
you
joined
us
feel
free
to
ask
any
questions
you
have
and
if
you're
new,
you
know,
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
year
and
a
half
so
feel
free
to
ask
questions
about
the
history
and
how
we
got
here
as
well.
A
Okay,
let's
see
paul,
are
you
on
at
this
point?
Can
you
hear
us,
I
see
you're
connecting
to
audio
there's?
Okay,
so
maybe
not
yet
is
there
anyone
else
who
has
joined,
who
didn't
introduce
themselves.
A
Now,
okay,
we
will,
we
will
come
back
to
paul
okay.
So,
let's
see
rosanna,
you
had
a
question.
H
Yes,
so
in
the
process
of
doing
the
the
the
general
plan,
there
have
been
two
building
developments
that
have
been
voted
on
by
city
council,
the
one
by
caruso
and
then
the
other
one
over
by
the
christmas
old
christmas
tree
lot.
How
does
that
impact?
H
A
Those
those
would
be
incorporated
in
so
you
know
anything,
that's
already
built
or
approved.
You
know
when
again
we're
looking
at
a
build
out
number
overall
and
we
have
to
maintain
that
same
number
of
units,
and
so
if
it
goes
one
place,
it
doesn't
go
somewhere
else,
and
so
you
know
this
is
very
common.
H
A
No,
no,
the
the
the
number
is
for
arena.
So
are
you
asking
specifically
about
if
it
in
terms
of
it,
if
it
gets
built,
does
that
have
an
impact
on
the
on
the
2600
housing
units?
Yes,
okay,
you're
talking
about
the
2600.,
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
a
housing
element
expert
and
there
are.
Are.
I
believe
that
if
a
project
gets
approved
now
it
would
count
towards
that
that
number,
but
I'm
ian,
do
you
know
specifically.
G
Work
yeah.
Actually,
the
cutoff
is
more.
D
Around
june
of
this
year,
so
basically,
if
it's
approved
and
issued
up
to
that
point,
it
would
count
as
part
of
this
arena
cycle.
I
D
A
Yeah
and
and
to
be
to
be
clear,
the
these
were
what's
the
term
that
they
were
they
weren't.
These
are
not
approved
projects.
These
are
approved
to
continue
on
in
the
process.
H
Absolutely
yeah,
I
do
know
that,
but
but
I
I
wanted
to
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
how
that
how
future
projects
are
going
to
affect
the
general
plan
and
then
just
just
kind
of
like
a
side.
Note
I've
been
talking
before
city
council
twice
and
I've
come
to
these
meetings
a
couple
of
times,
and
I
don't.
H
I
wanted
to
kind
of
get
an
understanding
of
how
you
do
outreach
to
get
more
voices
from
people
from
the
senior
community
from
the
disabled
community
from
spanish-speaking
communities
here
in
the
area,
so
that
we
can
get
more
voices
of
people
and
have
a
much
more
inclusive
dialogue
about
what
is
going
to
be
transpiring
in
our
city.
So
I
don't
know.
I
know
that
you
do
the
acorn,
but
is
there
anything
else
that
you
guys
are
actively
doing
to?
H
You
know
to
promote
more
inclusivity
in
how
the
plan
is
being
you
know
to
get
more
input
from
everyone
in
the
community?
Not
just.
A
Kristen,
do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about?
I
mean
because
about
some
of
the
engagement
we've
been
doing,
and
you
know
just
again
starting
you
know
a
year
and
a
half
ago
with
you
know,
email,
blasts
and
and
announcements
to
council
meetings
and
mailings,
and
so
we
you
know
so
kristen.
Why
don't
you
talk
about
that?
A
little
bit.
C
Sure
I
mean,
starting
with
the
process
with
I'll
just
start
with
pre-covered
really
quickly.
We
tried
to
meet
everybody
in
the
community
where
they
were.
We
did
as
many
pop-up
events
as
we
possibly
could,
whether
it
be
at
any
of
the
fairs
showing
up
at
the
farmers
markets
going
to
any
big
event
that
was
in
the
city,
so
that
we
could
just
catch
people
where
they
were.
C
We've
done,
periodic
email
blasts
we've
reached
out
to
many
different
organizations
within
the
city
and
even
after
co-fed,
we've
still
just
been
trying
to
build
on
those
relationships.
We've
met
with
different
high
school
groups.
We
have
met
with
the
teen
leagues
on
multiple
occasions.
C
We've
met
with
the
youth
commission
multiple
occasions
and
continue
to
go
to
their
meetings
and
give
them
updates.
Throughout
the
process
we've
held
a
youth
summit
for
them.
We
had
a
senior
summit
planned
right
before
kovitz
started,
so
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
do
that,
but
we're
still
keeping
in
contact
with
our
senior
groups.
C
We
have
been
reaching
out
to
the
homebound
communities
we
have
reached
out
to
some
of
these
groups
for
the
there's,
a
great
spanish
leadership
class
that
we've
reached
out
to
so
we've
just
been
trying
to
continue
building
our
relationships
and
anytime
that
somebody
sends
us
a
tidbit
or
you
should
reach
out
to
this
person.
You
should
reach
out
to
that
organization.
C
H
So
I'm
on
the
commission
for
the
on
the
council
for
the
thousand
oaks
council
on
aging.
So
I
would
welcome
someone
to
come
out
and
talk
to
us
so
that
we
can
get
more
engagement
for
the.
C
E
A
Yeah,
actually,
I
want
to
hold
on
one
second
here.
I
know
that
there
are
some
people
who
have
really
specific
questions
about
how
to
use
the
the
conveyo
tool.
Mary,
you
were,
you
were
one
of
them.
Are
there
others,
because
we
I
want
to
actually
melissa
can
actually
we
can
do
a
little
breakout
room
and
we
can
put
you
in
a
room
and
melissa
can
walk
you
through
how
to
do
that
and
you
can
ask
questions
so
who
else
wants
to
to
do
that
and
mary?
A
G
G
A
Actually
go
until
until
until
eight,
and
so
so
is
there
anyone
else
who
who
wants
to
have
a
little
sidebar
on
how
to
use
the
online
tool?
Could
you
raise
your
hand
or
or
say
something?
A
I'd
like
us
to
really
really
quickly
close
the
engagement
loop,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
here
to
answer
questions
about
the
alternatives
themselves
and
as
kristen
said,
if
you
have
suggestions
about
engagement,
then
I
think
you
know
you
can
send
an
email
and
we
will
we'll
follow
up.
Okay,
tony.
B
So
rosanna
was
talking
about
the
senior
aspects
of
the
general
plan
and,
as
I
followed
it,
I
couldn't
find
a
a
section
in
the
general
plan
that
ex
that
addressed
seniors
and
yet
seniors
are
the
fastest
and
growing
segment
of
the
population
in
the
city,
and
they
are
going
to
need
the
most
help
as
they
as
the
city
continues
to
age
here.
B
And
yet
the
the
general
plan
is
is
is
really
general
and
it
doesn't
have
a
specific
segment
that
I
can
find
that
addresses
the
needs
of
seniors
as
you
go
through
this
and
look
at
how
you're
going
to
build
and
and
whether
all
of
the
apartments
and
units
will
be
senior
friendly
or
age
friendly.
There
are
a
lot
of.
B
A
Can
interrupt
that
I
think
that's
a
great
comment.
What
we
produced
is
a
briefing
book
on
the
land,
use
alternatives
and
it's
not
the
general
plan,
so
the
general
plan
hasn't
been
written
yet
and
we
it
will.
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
about
aging
in
place
and
the
need
to
do
that
and
the
services
associated
with
that,
and
so
we've
we've
definitely
heard
some
comments,
but
but
it's
not
included
in
the
land
use
alternatives,
because
that's
not
the
focus
of.
B
B
The
building
requirements
that
you're
talking
about
are
included
and
the
the
ability
to
have.
A
Of
things
this
section,
those
are
not
so
those
are
our
building
code
requirements
and
they're,
not
what
the
general
plan
does
is.
The
general
plan
addresses
these
topics
at
a
high
level
policy
direction,
but
specifics
like
grab
bars
design
of
units.
Those
are
all
in
the
building
code,
which
is
not
the
general
plan.
A
But
but
your
your
point
is
a
really
good
one,
which
is
that
the
community
is
aging
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
constitution
of
the
city,
the
general
plan,
is
set
up
so
that
and
supports
aging
in
place
and
supports
not
just
things
like
grab
bars
but
and
access
the
units,
but
also
access
the
services.
So
there
there
is
that
as
well.
So,
where.
A
It
has
not,
it
has
not
been
developed
yet
because
we
haven't
written
a
general
so
right
now
the
general
plan
has
not
addressed
that
level
of
policy,
we're
still
at
the
big
picture,
but
the
city
does
have
have
building
codes
that
address
those
topics
and
those
I
think
city
staff
can
point
you
to
where
specifically
those
are.
But
again
it's
not
something
at
that
level
of
detail
that
we
address
in
the
general
plan.
A
Okay,
so
are
there
so
why
don't
we
move
on?
Are
there?
Are
there
questions
about
alternatives
themselves
that
folks
have
so
care,
and
I
see
your
hand
up.
E
Okay,
so
I
I
know
there
was
one
area
within
newbury:
I've
tried
to
look
at
the
interactive
maps
at
the
for
the
four
areas
of
change,
and
you
know
obviously
they're
very
they're
they're
busy,
there's
a
lot
of
colors
and
stuff,
and
that
can't
be
avoided.
I
know
there's
one
large
plot
of
land
in
newbury
park
that
is
currently
zoned
for
low
density,
red,
low
density,
residential
where
the
alternatives
are
reflecting
medium
density,
residential
or
mixed
use.
A
Yeah,
I
I
am
trying
to
think
of
the
other
areas.
I
know
that'll.
If
there
are
any
and
staff,
maybe
you
can
help
me
out.
This
is
something
maybe
we
we
have
to
come
back
to
you
with,
because
we
can
actually
do
a
quick
analysis
to
say
you
know
single
what
what
has
gone
from
you
know
single
is
from
low
density
residential
me.
You
know
the
lower
density
residential
to
something
that's
higher,
so
we
can
show
where
those
changes
actually
are.
A
You
know
a
lot
of
them
were
were
parcels
that
were
commercial
right
now
that
you
could
build
commercial.
That
would
then
be
allowed
for
some
residential
on
them.
So
there's
a
lot
of
that
that
that's
happening
or,
if
they're
industrial
right
now
that
maybe
they
would
be
a
higher
intensity,
industrial
or
or
allow
some
residential
on
those.
So
that's
the
majority
of
them.
A
No,
it's
a
it's
a
good
question
and
I
don't
have
an
answer.
Do
you
do
you
know
yeah.
B
I
was
going
to
suggest
you
can
on
the
interactive
map
tool
you
can
toggle
between
the
existing
general
pan
layer
and
the
alternative
layer
to
see
what
the.
B
E
I
have
tried
to
do
that,
but
it's
it's
extremely
cumbersome
to
try
to
zero
down
into
actual
streets
and-
and
you
know
the
overlays,
don't
you
know
the
overlays
of
the
existing
don't
match
the
overlays
on
the
change
area.
It's
just
very
hard
to
do
to
navigate
that.
So
I'm
hoping
the
experts
would
just
be
able
to
say
hey
ding
ding.
A
I
think
I
think
you
pinpointed
the
the
biggest
one,
the
biggest
area
that
that
is
is
changing.
But
I
I
honestly
don't
remember,
because
I
haven't
memorized
what
every
parcel
in
the.
So
let
us
let
us
do
a
little
a
little
research
and
help.
You
understand
that
a
little
bit
more.
A
Okay,
let's
see,
I
see
a
bunch
of
hands
up
becca
I'm
going
to
go
to
you
and
then
andy
and
then
cindy.
D
I
just
had
a
quick
question.
I
understand
sb
whatever
it
is
that
the
new
law
that
that
says.
H
We
can't
down
zone.
Is
there
anything.
A
There's,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
in
the
law
that
says
that.
However,
you
know
as
as
we
discussed
at
the
meeting,
there
are
a
lot
of
areas
where,
just
just
because
of
the
legal
requirements,
you
could
have
an
area.
That's
that
has
you
know
eight
thousand
ten
ten
thousand
square
foot
lots
on
it
and
then
you
could
build
15
units
an
acre
on
those
lots
so
and
that
the
the
state
law
changes
in
state
law
would
allow
you
to
do
that.
A
A
And
you
know
there
were
you
know
we
asked
that
question
at
the
at
the
meeting
and
you
know
there
were.
There
were
a
number
of
folks
who
said
you
know
what?
Let's,
let's
allow.
Let's
allow
multi-family
housing
within
those
single-family
areas.
So
we
we,
you
know,
we
did
see
that
there
were
comments
about
that
and
it's
certainly
it's
certainly
not
off
the
table.
If
that
it's
a
policy
direction
to
leave
some
of
those
units
in
those
areas
and
not
transfer
as
many
again,
that's
a
that's
a
decision
that
can
be
made.
A
We
did,
we
did
follow
and
we
did
take
that
path
because
we
had
heard
what
we
thought
was
more
of
a
previously
a
a
real
direction
that
if
it's
single-family,
let's
try
and
keep
it
single-family.
So
that
was
what
we
responded
to.
A
Great
question:
it's
a
great
question
and-
and
you
know
we
understand
that
you
know
all
these
state
laws
are
really
complicated
and
even
even
we
as
planners
who
deal
this
have
are
constantly
catching
up
with
some
of
these
changes
and
and
the
implications
of
what
they
mean.
So
I
know
it's
difficult
for
all
of
you
as
well:
andy
you're!
Next,
oh
yes,
can
you
hear
me.
D
Yes,
all
right
great,
so
thank
you
for
taking
my
question
so
and
so,
given
the
increase
of
the
planned
unit-
and
I
think
we
all
anticipated
population
will
grow
and
I
think
the
need
of
a
warship
and
the
public
gathering
place
also,
there
will
be
growth
but
reviewing
the
strategy
in
the
briefing
work
I
didn't
find.
I
mean
anywhere
to
emphasize
like
church
and
worship
place
plenty.
A
So,
according
to
law,
churches
are
allowed,
I
believe
in
any
district
in
any
area
in
any
zone.
So
we
don't
identify
areas,
and
we
say
this
is
a
a
place
of
worship.
Just
like
we
don't
identify
an
area
and
say
you
know
this
is
a
park
unless
it's
already
a
park,
so
something's
already
a
church.
We
will,
I
believe,
we've
left
them
as
as
institutional
designated
as
institutional
uses,
but
we
don't
identify
future
places
to
say
this
is
an
area
for
an
institutional
use.
A
F
Thank
you.
So
I
just
have
a
few
a
couple
of
questions
for
measure
e
dollars.
Is
there
a
way
to
mandate
universal
design.
A
So
measure
e
does
not
have
money
associated
with
it,
so
there
are,
there,
isn't
money
associated
with
measure
e?
It's
merely
a
a
ballot
initiative
that
was
that
was
passed.
You
know
a
long
time
ago.
F
So
thank
you
for
helping
me
understand
that.
So
when
we
talk
about.
F
E,
where,
where
where
would
we
be
able
to
or
if
would
we
would
that
be
in
the
sort
of
the
general
plan
policies
to
mandate
developments
to
be
designed
with
universal
design
practices.
A
So
that
that
would
be
more
so
I
guess
there's
a
couple
of
things.
So
one
is
that
would
be
more
of
a
policy
in
the
general
plan
itself
that
we
would
that's
really
where,
where
that
would
come
up,
the
city
does
have
funding
for
affordable
housing,
that
it
can
that,
where
there's
discretionary
funding
to
be
able
to
apply
it
to
projects.
You
know
it's
not
a
lot
of
money,
but
you
know
anywhere
where
the
city
has
control
over
the
purse
strings,
so
to
speak.
A
It
has
more
control
over
what
what
can
happen
in
those
areas,
but
but
really,
I
think
it's
a
conversation
about
about
about
equity
and
design
overall
and
to
make
sure
that
the
design
of
the
community
is
equitable
for
everyone
who
people
who
are
living
here
now,
and
people
who
may
want
to
live
in
the
community
in
the
future
that
there's
a
space
for
them
and
that
that
goes,
you
know
not
only
for
universal
design,
but
I
think
it
also
goes
for
affordability,
for
types
of
units
for
for
lots
of
things.
F
F
A
Not
no
not
specifically,
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
would
actually
look
like.
If
you
have
suggestions
about
metrics,
maybe
we
can
talk
offline
I'd
be
really
interested.
If
you
have
an
idea
about
that.
F
Yeah
I
mean,
I
guess
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
look
for
environmental
equity.
Obviously
you
know
transportation
equity
with
the
land
use
maps,
mobility,
inclusivity
so
that
that
would
be
interesting.
I
know
in
the
past
we
talked
about
models
that
might
be
available
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
representation
for
disabled
and
aging
and
population,
and
then
the
third
question
I
I
I
I
want
to
be
fair
about
the
time,
so
this
should
be
an
easy
one.
When
can
we
expect
a
spanish
version
of
the
land
use
draft
maps.
B
B
F
Great,
thank
you
and
then
last
question
and
I'll
and
I'll
shut
up.
Can
you
help
me
understand
once
we
decide
an
alternative?
Where
is
the
flexibility
for
zoning
requirements
within
that
alternative?
F
Do
we
have
to
consider
that
now
as
we're
evaluating
an
alternative,
or
is
there
some
flexibility
once
we
say
this
is
the
the
large
you
know
we're
sorry.
I
imagine
this
is
the
the
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
right.
So
once
we
pick
an
alternative,
is
there
opportunity
to
discuss
zoning
for
commercial
for
affordable
housing
for
whatever.
A
F
That's
a
great
question:
the
equity
zoning
can
really
open
up
a
lot
of
equitable
aspects
too.
A
Yeah,
so
so
you
know
partially.
Let
me
just
step
back
because
that's
a
great
question:
it's
also
it's
it's.
It
could
be
a
very
long
answer
because
it
gets
into
some
some
pretty
complicated
topics.
So
I'm
going
to
try
and
answer
this
this
briefly,
so
we
can
and
then
we
can
circle
back
later
at
you
know
at
the
end,
if
there's
more
time
and
talk
in
more
detail,
so
the
the
process
that
we
have
now
is
so
we
have
these
conceptual
alternatives.
A
We
have
these
alternatives,
we're
asking
folks
to
give
their
preferences,
not
only
overall,
obviously,
but
in
individually
about
individual
areas
and
of
course,
if
we're,
if
there's
anything
that
you
feel
like
we're
missing
in
an
area
or
an
overall
concept,
we
want
to
hear
that,
because
what
we're
going
to
do
is
actually
take
all
of
those
comments
and
then
we're
going
to
hone
it
in
and
try
and
do
a
preferred
direction
which
is
going
to
go
to
council
in
in
april.
A
So
planning,
commission
in
march
and
then
council
in
april,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
a
somewhat
stable
land
use
map.
That
is
for
the
general
plan.
Now
there
there's
probably
going
to
be
the
opportunity
to
do
tweaks
to
that
land
use
map
in
in
the
time
following
that,
the
months
following
that,
as
we
have
more
community
conversation,
but
we
need
that
stable
map
in
april.
A
So
we
can
continue
to
move
forward
with
the
housing
element
because
we
have
a
housing
element
deadline,
so
it
needs
to
be
stable
enough
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
the
housing
element
after
the
general
plan
is
adopted.
Is
the
time
that
zoning
happens,
so
zoning
doesn't
happen
now
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
the
dimensional
requirements
of
of
setbacks
and
open
space
requirements
and
parking
requirements
that
are
going
to
happen
afterwards
after
the
general
plan
is
adopted.
A
Now
that
said,
from
a
density
and
a
broad
land
use
perspective,
the
general
plan
rules,
so
zoning
needs
to
be
within
that
general
plan,
but
it
has
to
also
be
pretty
equal
to
that
general
plan
number.
But
there
is
the
opportunity
as
long
as
the
density
and
uses
are
generally
the
same,
particularly
the
density
density
and
height.
Then
you
can.
You
can
do
tweaks
within
zoning.
A
After
that,
to
achieve
some
of
these
things
that
you
want
to
achieve,
so
it
it
it's
not
like
right
now
we
have
to
give
that
answer
in
the
next
month
or
month,
and
a
half
there's
going
to
be
time
to
work
through
some
of
those
things
later
on.
F
A
Yeah
and
it's
also
no,
no,
it's
a
great
question,
because
you
know
what
what
this
is.
Is
that
there's
sort
of
these
sort
of
these
layers
of
regulation
and
layers
of
planning
when
it
comes
to
land
use
and
right
now
we
are
actually
at
the
very
highest
level,
which
is
the
the
con.
The
the
land
use
alternatives
for
the
general
plan,
we're
at
the
highest
level
and
yes
cindy.
We
keep,
we
keep
filtering
down
and
then
we
end
up
with
a
land.
A
So
I
know
again
sometimes
it's
you
know
when
you're,
when
you're
concerned
about
a
specific
topic.
I
know
it
can
be
a
little
bit
unsatisfying
to
say.
Well,
you
know
what
that's
that's
later
down
the
road,
but
it
does
tie
together
and
we
need
to
understand
those
connections
and
not
forget
about
them,
but
also
not
try
and
do
too
much
now
thanks,
okay
boy!
I
see
I
see
oh
cal,
you
had
your
your
hand
up
next.
G
Just
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
First
of
all,
just
from
a
process
standpoint,
I
submitted
a
couple
of
questions
or
issues
on
email
before
the
meeting.
I
assume
we're
not
going
to
address
those
during
this
meeting
so
so
there
could
be
some
feedback.
Some
response
to
those
issues.
G
A
G
Is
there
any
part
of
these
general
plans
that
does
something
like
a
eir
for
the
overall
general
plan
so
that
we
understand
what
additional
roads
are
necessary
parking
facilities
are
necessary.
All
those
things
are
necessary.
G
There
are
beyond
a
development
plan
that
an
individual
parcel
can't
support,
but
yeah
like
we
already
have
in
our
community
some
pretty
congested
areas
as
they
are
right
now
and
for
us
to
add
more
density,
for
example,
up
more
park
road
in
the
corridor
around
chance,
mall
to
add,
more
density
and
more
commercial
or
industrial
developments
is
going
to
require
some
significant
improvements
in
roads
and
bike
lanes
and
parking
structures
where
we're
going
to
have
some
serious
problems.
So
do
we
address
any
of
that
before
addressing
the
final
decisions.
A
Well
before
addressing
the
adoption
of
the
general
plan,
yes,
there
will
be
an
environmental
impact
report
that
is,
that
is
prepared.
That
is
related
to
the
preferred.
A
No,
no,
no!
No.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
with
this
process
is
to
narrow
down
to
get
to
in
the
next
few
months
to
get
to,
as
I
said,
a
somewhat
stable
preferred
alternative
and
then
we'll
do
more
analysis
on
that
preferred
alternative.
You
know
again
there
and
I
need
to
point
back
to
this
difference
between
the
what
we
call
build
out,
which
is
the
every
parcel
built
to
its
maximum
density
and
what
we
expect.
A
The
next
20
years
of
growth
they're
going
to
be
in
the
city
and
those
numbers
are
going
to
be
vastly
different
in
terms
of
of
of
what
that
total
number
would
be.
So
what
we
will
do
is
we
will
right
now
we're
at
the
full,
build
out
to
look
at
the
vision,
but
then
and
we're
trying
to
make
all
of
those
equal.
A
But
then
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
look
at
how
much
growth
we
think
could
realistically
happen
within
the
next,
the
next
10
to
20
years,
and
then
that's
what
the
environmental
impact
report
is
going
to
be
on,
because
that's
that's.
G
The
way
this
plan
works
will
there
be
actually
a
a
plan
for
expansion
of
our
roadways,
the
freeway,
the
major
arteries
bike
paths,
parking
we
haven't.
A
We
haven't,
I
mean
it.
Yes,
if
the
major
infrastructure
changes
that
are
potentially
needed
are
something
that
will
be
discussed
as
part
of
the
the
plan
itself.
A
Well,
because
we
we
have
to
start
somewhere,
so
we
have
to
start
and
where
we're
starting
is
the
vision,
and
then
we
can
design
the
infrastructure
around
the
vision
that
the
community
wants
and
that's
typically,
the
way
the
way
it
works.
You
don't
start
with
the
capacity,
because
infrastructure
is
constantly
changing
and
constantly
getting
getting
upgraded
it.
You
know
we
it.
We
have.
You
know,
experience
things
where
plans
where
you
start
down
a
path
and
you
think
everything's
gonna
be
fine,
and
then
it's
not
and
you
change
course.
A
So
you
know
we
we
have
that
built
into
the
discussion
in
the
process.
It's
a
great
it's
a
great
question,
because
you
can't
you
can't
build
and
just
expect
everything
around
it
to
stay
the
same
right,
the
things
the
infrastructure
to
support
it
has
to
change.
I
think
it
is
also
important
to
think
about
the
connection
between
physical
change
and
development
that
can
happen
in
the
city
and
the
city's
tax
revenues,
which
is
an
important
thing.
You
know
at
this
point.
A
The
city
is,
has
more
space
for
retail
and
a
lot
of
the
retail
is
underperforming,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
comments
about
the
the
corridors
and
what
what
can
happen
to
those
and
how
can
they
actually
be
more
contributing
to
the
the
both
the
community
visually,
as
well
as
be
a
positive
impact
on
on
the
city?
And
so
you
know
that's
another
thing
we're
looking
at,
which
is
what's
called
the
fiscal
impact
of
the
preferred
direction
as
well,
because
that.
A
Important
aspect
as
well:
okay,
so
karen
you
were,
you
were
next,
I'm
gonna
keep
going
in
order
here.
I.
E
E
And
so
are
you
saying
that,
regardless
of
what
our
general
plan
looks
like
if
we
have
x
density
in
a
particular
area,
what
what
guarantees
or
comfort
can
we
have
that
the
city
is
still
going
to
be
able
to
exercise
control
over
the
reasonableness
of
actually
approving
permits
because
part
of
senate
bill
330
was
streamlining
the
permit
process,
etc?
You
know
how
are
we
going
to
prevent
developers
from
coming
in
and
just
putting
the
hammer
to
us
saying
this
is
what
we're
zoned
for
in
this
area.
This
is
what
the
general
plan
says.
E
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
care
that
you
know
you're,
being
unreasonable,
saying
that
I
need
to
increase
the
size
of
the
street
by
four
lanes,
and
so
how
does
that
really
work
over
the
next
20
years
and
how
much
control
will
the
city
continue
to
have?
If
you
know
we
have
a
general
plan
where
we
cannot
support
the
infrastructure.
A
A
So
you
know
I
I
I
know
that
you
that
you
know
you
and
other
members
of
the
community
and
other
members
of
other
communities
are
upset
and
jurisdictions
are
upset
about
some
of
the
arena
numbers
and
some
of
the
the
state
regulations
that
have
come
down
that
have
taken
away
some
of
the
local
control,
and
so
you
know
there
there's
there's
no
argument
that
that
the
state
has
come
in
and
taken
a
little
bit
of
control
away
in
order
to
try
and
allow
more
housing
to
be
built.
A
The
reaction
to
that
it
was
a
reaction
to
the
fact
that
the
state
has
underbuilt
housing
by
2.4
million
housing
units
over
the
last
two
decades,
and
it
has
created
tremendous
impact
across
the
state
and
so
that
you
know
this
is
their
response,
whether
it's
the
right
response-
I
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
what
what
we
can
do
with
this
is.
A
I
think
it's
important
in
this
general
plan
that
the
city
have
the
vision
for
how
it
wants
to
grow
and
where
it
wants
to
grow,
so
that
it
can
direct
the
growth
in
a
way
that
benefits
the
city
and-
and
I
I
really
want
to
emphasize
that,
because
you
know
that
you
know
it
from
the
from
the
looks
of
it.
A
The
state
is
going
to
continue
to
try
and
promote
housing,
and
you
know,
I
think,
that
the
thing
that
the
city
can
do
is
to
identify
where
that
housing
should
go
and
what
it
should
look
like.
A
And
if
that
can
happen
in
the
general
plan
and
and
then
developers
need
should
be
able
to
stick
with
what
is
in
the
general
plan
and
and
then
you
know,
if
some,
if,
if
the
an
area
says
30
units
an
acre
and
a
project
comes
in
at
or
you
know,
if
it,
you
know,
if
a
project
comes
in,
you
know
the
city
can't
then
say,
and
a
project
comes
in
at
30
units,
an
acre
the
city
can't
say.
A
I
only
want
15
units
an
acre
here,
so
the
city
has
to
allow
up
to
the
maximum
density
so,
and
the
city
also
has
to
be
reasonable
about
the
things
that
it
is
asking
for
projects
to
do
right.
So
you
can't,
if
a
project's
coming
in
on
thousand
oaks
boulevard,
you
know
the
the
city
couldn't
say
you
know
because
of
this
project.
We
want
the
entire
corridor
of
thousand
oaks
widened.
A
A
But
this
is
the
reason
that
we
do
this
at
at
a
20-year
build
out,
and
this
goes
to
cal's
point,
which
is
a
great
point,
which
is
the
city
needs
to
be
able
to
plan
for
where
that
growth
is
going
to
go
and
then
be
able
to
accommodate
that
growth
in
a
thoughtful
way
through
infrastructure
decisions,
and
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
focus
growth
in
certain
areas.
Understand
what
do
do
its
best
to
predict.
A
What's
going
to
happen
and
then
plan
for
the
the
building
of
that
infrastructure
around
the
potential
change,
that's
happening
in
the
city,
so
that's
the
best
way
around
it
and
that
way
you
you
understand
as
a
community.
What
is
going
to
be?
A
You
know
what
could
be
built
and
where
it's
going
to
be
and
that
the
conversations
are
happening
at
this
at
this
general
plan
level,
rather
than
at
the
project
by
project
level
which,
as
we
know,
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
energy,
so
we're
trying
to
you
know
we're
trying
to
avoid
some
of
that.
Those
conversations
that
have
been
that
have
occurred
and-
and
it
also
gives
the
city
a
lot
more
power,
I
think,
to
say
developer.
G
Matt,
can
I
just
make
a
comment,
I'm
just
thinking
about
what
you're
saying
there
and
of
course
I
think
what
I've
heard
is
that
the
general
plan
will
give
a
ceiling
on
density
that
will
allow
for
the
potential
for
that
density
to
be
achieved,
but
not
necessarily
will,
but
it
seems
to
me
if
we
really
want
to
have
local
control.
We
should
try
to
minimize
that
density.
G
We
can
always
go
larger.
We
could
always
say
hey.
It's
only
that
the
general
plan
says
we
have
a
plan
that
allows
for
only
15
housing
units
per
acre
and
we
find
a
project
that
is
very
suitable
for
25.
We
can
always
expand
it
right
after
the
fact
said.
He
has.
A
G
A
To
do
that
sure
you,
you
absolutely
can,
however,
you
know
at
some
point.
You
know,
especially
in
certain
areas
and
the
areas
that
we've
identified
for
the
most
part
where
there
is
the
potential
for
multi-family
housing
or
mixed-use
housing.
If,
if
you
have
the
densities
to
oh
nothing's,
going
to
happen,.
G
The
point
I
was
really
going
to
make
is:
why
wouldn't
we
try
to
set
up
a
general
plan
that
tries
to
distribute
these
numbers
as
well
as
possible,
keep
the
density
numbers
down
so
that
we
don't
leave
ourselves
wide
open
to
the
potential
for
expanding
into
those
areas
and
spread
this?
You
know
this
requirement
over
a
large,
a
much
bigger
area
than
the
four
small.
G
You
know,
partial
areas
that
we've
identified
as
a
the
hubs
of
the
commercial
developments.
You
know
we
have
what
95
of
this
of
the
studies
I
wanted.
C
Cal
that
that's
interesting
perspective
that
you
have,
we
actually
spoke
with
a
lot
of
community
members
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
and
one
thing
that
we
heard
over
and
over
again
was
that
they
did
not
want
widespread
change
across
the
city.
And
so
that's
the
approach
that
we
took
when
we
started
thinking
about
development
and
or
excuse
me
about
land
use.
C
Alternatives
was
how
to
minimize
change
to
the
city
as
a
whole
and
so
the
alternatives
that
we've
prepared
really
focus
on
a
smaller
area
of
the
community,
to
kind
of
preserve
the
existing
character
of
single-family
neighborhoods,
that
most
residents
love
in
the
city
and
that's
what
we
kept
hearing
over
and
over
again.
So
that
was
the
approach
that
we
took
thus
far.
G
A
About
something
yeah,
so
I
just
I
want
to
go
so
catherine
had
had
her
her
hand
ups
right,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
no,
no,
no
problem,
I
think
it's
good
to
sometimes
continue
a
thread
that
we
have
here.
You
know
I
do
want
to
say
you
know
we
have
absolutely
heard
from
some
people
that
that
they
want
to
keep
the
character
of
the
they
want
to
keep
the
density
and
the
height
at
three
stories.
A
We've
absolutely
heard
that
we
have
also
heard
from
a
very
large
number
of
people
who
said
explore
higher
density
in
a
limited
number
of
areas
go
above
that
three
stories,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
explore
a
variety
of
options
here
right
and
so
we
you
know,
we
absolutely
hear
you
and,
and
part
of
this
process
is
actually
to
have
this
conversation
to
see
if
it
makes
sense
for
higher
density
in
some
areas
or
not,
and
we
so
you
know
absolutely
your.
A
Your
point
is
valid
and
we've
heard
it
from
from
you
know:
a
number
of
community
members
we've
also
heard
quite
different
things
from
other
community
members,
and
so
you
know,
we've
talked
to
thousands
of
people
and
we're
trying
to
balance
what
everyone
has
said
and
come
up
with.
D
E
D
I
just
had
a
really
quick
comment
on
cindy's
question
earlier
when
she
was
talking
about
like
equitable.
I
don't
know
guidelines
putting
on
the
map
put
on
the
map.
I
remember
like
for
the
environmental
justice
presentation.
There
was
like
some
information
about
like
poverty
and
then
like
drawing
it
out.
So
maybe
we
can
incorporate
that
in.
It's
got
just
a
suggestion.
D
A
You
mean
over
overlay
what
those
areas
overlay
maps
of
of
income
with
the
the
maps
we
have
here:
okay,
okay,
pablo
you
were,
you
were
next.
D
D
Yeah,
I
just
have
a
quick
question,
regardless
of
the
alternative
and
yes
you're
right.
One
of
the
reasons,
specifically
in
my
case
that
I
move
into
this
community
beautiful
community
is
the
character
and
the
way
the
city
is,
I
think,
will
be
ashamed
to
lose
that
identity.
D
C
F
D
With
all
these
alternatives,
are
there
any
schools
being
planned
to
accommodate
all
the
new
residents
or
are
these
the
potential
new
units?
Are
they
going
to
be
allocated
to
this
existing
school
system
that
we
have
right
now
in
place.
A
That
is
something
that
ultimately
going
back
to
cal's
insightful
comment
about.
Infrastructure
is
something
that
we
look
at
at
this.
At
the
same,
you
know
when
we
get
to
a
growth
number
we'll
talk
to
the
schools.
A
I
know
that
the
schools,
at
least
previously
have
had
declining
declining
populations
declining
enrollment
and
that's
because,
as
you
know,
that
even
as
cal
you
I'm
bringing
you
up
a
bunch
of
times,
you
made
a
bunch
of
great
comments,
which
is
that
you
know
the
community
is
aging,
and
so
you
know,
as
the
community
ages,
there's
fewer
school-age
kids,
which
means
the
population
has
gone
down.
A
So
when
we,
when
we
get
those
numbers
for
the
the
growth
projections,
again,
not
the
build
out,
but
the
growth
projections
for
the
next
20
years,
we're
going
to
work
with
school
districts
to
look
at
what
that
means
from
an
infrastructure
perspective.
Ultimately,
it's
the
school
district's
responsibility
to
figure
out
how
many
schools
they
need,
but
it's
it
there
are.
There
are
fees
associated
with
the
development
projects
as
they
come
forward
to
make
sure
that
there's
capacity.
A
But
again,
you
know
a
really
good,
a
really
good
point.
Okay,
I
had
daniel
next.
G
Hi
thanks
for
putting
this
on,
I
guess
my
first
question
would
be
about
the
feasibility
of
enhancing
density
with
possible.
Subterranean
building.
Is
that
just
not
friendly
to
the
current
building
codes.
G
Yeah
could
any
of
these
density
improvements
be
brought
about
by
building
underground?
Perhaps
if
we
had
more
liberal
underground
building
codes,
has
that
been
explored?
I
know
elon
musk
is
talking
about
maybe
a
101
corridor
for
his
boring
company.
That
would
go
north
from
lax
along
the
101
and
it
seems
like
that
could
be
a
real
boon
for
our
area
if
it
made
it
all
the
way
up
to
1000.
A
What
can
can
you,
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
what
you
mean
by
by
going
underground,
I
mean
subterranean
like
infrastructure
or
housing,
or.
G
I
know
seattle
has
a
mall,
that's
you
know
pretty
much
underground
when
I
was
up
there-
and
I
know
san
francisco
city,
for
example,
has
a
green
roof
initiative
where
every
roof
either
has
to
have
plants
or
solar
collectors
on
it,
and
you
know
it
seems
like
we
could
we
if
we
built
underground,
we
could
actually
leave
the
space
above
as
open
habitat.
Even
you
know
eventually,
so
I
guess
you
know
it's
a
question
of
how
permissive
the
building
codes
are
would
be.
G
For
that
you
know,
there's
could
be
done
with
cut
and
cover
type
of
construction.
I
just
don't
know
if
that's
been
incorporated
as
an
option
or
a
possible
alternative.
A
Well,
the
the
simran,
do
you
wanna,
were
you
gonna,
say
something.
B
A
B
Daniel
that's
a
really
interesting
idea
and
there
are
certain
uses
which
are
which
can
be
built
on
the
ground,
so
shopping
malls
can
be
underground.
Infrastructure
parking,
of
course,
can
be
underground,
but
areas
where
or
spaces
where
people
actually
live.
The
building
codes
generally
don't
allow
those
to
be
underground
for
multiple
reasons,
including
say
free
grass.
G
B
B
G
Okay,
sort
of
a
related
question
is
it
possible
to
I
know
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
is
a
municipal
corporation
and
it's
would
it
be
possible
to
actually
have
the
corporation
owned
by
the
residents
or
other
stakeholders.
They
could
all
be
kind
of
shareholders
in
the
corporation
and
actually
get
dividends
back
if
it
was
run
with
more
comprehensive
management.
Perhaps.
D
A
Haven't
heard
of
that,
so
I
I
I
can't.
I
don't
know-
and
I
you
know
I
don't
know
if
it's
necessarily
a
general
plan
type
of
question-
certainly
not
a
land
use
alternatives
concept,
but
but
your
idea
of
going
back
to
something
you
said
earlier
about
requiring
green
roofs
or
solar
or
make
incentivizing
them
or
are
definitely
things.
A
lot
of
communities
have
done.
B
A
Yeah
daniel,
let's
come
back
to
you
with
a
few
people,
who've
had
their
hands
up
on,
so
I
want
to
circle
back
karen.
Do
you
have
another
question?
Karen
maloney?
Sorry,
oh
sorry,
you
know
sorry
kerry.
There's
multiple
karens.
H
H
Yeah,
I
feel,
as
though
I
know
you've
been
doing
working
hard
on
this
for
the
last
year
and
a
half.
H
They
don't
really
understand
the
impact
that
it
could
possibly
have
on
our
our
homes.
Now,
maybe
in
20
years.
We
won't
live
here
anymore,
but
you
know
it's
a
very
walkable
community
now,
so
I
guess
I'm
not
addressing
you
anymore
kristin.
I
I
just
I'm
just
saying
that
when
I
get
off
the
101
at
west
lake
boulevard,
it's
just
feels
good
to
be
here,
because
I've
got
the
promenade
and
the
all
the
buildings
are
pretty
much
set
back.
H
It's
just
a
beautiful
place
and
when
I
look
at
the
alternatives
for
this,
this
section
that
you're
you're
offering
one
of
them's
okay,
but
the
other
two
are
really
congested
and
they're,
showing
like
four
or
five
story,
high-rise
apartment
buildings,
and
I
just
feel
like
it's.
I
mean
I
hate
to
be
so
cruel
to
your
work,
but
it
looks
really
ugly.
A
That's
karen.
Thank
you
thanks.
Thanks
for
your
comment,
no,
we!
You
know,
we
appreciate
it.
So
you
know,
as
as
I
said,
you
know
we
we
have
given
a
lot
of
thought
to
this,
and
you
know
we
have
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Talking
to
a
lot
of
people
and
and
the
community
is
yeah
is
decidedly
very
mixed
on
taller
buildings
in,
and
so
you
know
there
are.
There
are
certainly
a
a
large
number
of
people
who
have
said
you
know,
don't
build
anything
at
all.
A
We
want
to
keep
it
exactly
as
it
is,
and
then
there
are.
There
are
folks
who
have
said
you
know
what
we
need
to
have
some
change.
We
need
to
have
buildings
that
are
a
little
bit
taller
and
we
want
to
have
those
in
a
limited
number
of
areas.
So
you
know
karen
we've
heard
both
things
and
and
it's
certainly
not
our
intent
to
you-
know
to
ruin
the
community.
A
It
is
a
beautiful
community
and
as
you
I
think
I
don't
know
if
you
were
on
for
this,
but
melissa
stark,
who
was
on
our
staff,
grew
up
in
the
city,
so
she's
working
on
the
plan.
So
she
you
know
she
really
understands
the
character
and
and
and-
and
you
know
always
always
provides
input
to
us
and
and
staff
does,
and
so
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
trying
to
to
ruin.
We.
We
did
think
about
about
intensity.
A
We
showed
buildings,
but
when
you
know
you
think
about
you
know
the
promenade,
for
example,
and
if
that
could
accommodate
higher
density
buildings,
it's
not
and
it's
hard
to
show
in
photos,
but
it's
not
that
there
would
be
those
that
scale
of
building
across
every
inch
of
the
of
the
site
it.
You
know.
The
idea
is
that
it
would
allow
up
to
that
height,
but
it
would
be
measured
across
the
site
and
it
would
be
well
designed
with
lots
of
open
space
and
and
community
gathering
spaces.
A
So
you
know,
I
know
we
just
showed
a
building
and
it's
hard
to
show
the
character
of
the
future
character
of
an
area
with
just
just
one
building.
So
I
appreciate
the
comment
there
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up.
H
Well,
the
other
thing
matt
that
I
I
noticed,
and
I
don't
know
who
decided
where
you
were
putting
these
these
apartment
buildings
and
mixed
use-
air.
I
don't
know
who
decided
these
four
areas,
but
it
seems
like
our
name,
my
neighborhood
wesley
hills.
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
a
huge
impact.
H
H
E
H
Wondered
matt,
you
know,
I
noticed
north
ranch
doesn't
have
any
developments
going
up
there.
They
have
a
nice
community
center
community
building
there
I
mean
what
made
them
decide
not
to
put
a
four-story
apartment
building
there.
A
Yeah,
so
so
that's
a
good
question,
so
the
process
that
we
went
through
with
this
was
we
identified.
A
We
we
asked
the
the
gpac
and
then
we
did
an
online
survey
where
we
asked
people
to
identify
where
different
types
of
development
could
go
in
the
city
and
people
put
pins
on
the
map
and
we
can
show
you
those
are
in
the
some
of
those
are
in
the
briefing
book
we
went
on
and
we
did
interactive
activities
in
a
couple
of
sessions
with
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
that
the
public
participated
in
with
that
and
and
even
though
it
was
a
general
plan
advisory
committee
meeting,
we
had
the
public
do
the
same
activities
that
the
gpac
was
doing,
and
there
was
actually
quite
a
bit
of
consensus
about
where
those
the
the
the
employment
uses,
the
mixed
use,
the
multi-family
the
town
homes
about
where
those
those
should
go
in
the
city,
and
so
we
use
that
as
the
basis
for
for
making
that
decision.
A
Now
we
do
have
areas
that
we
identified
as
as
village
centers,
which
are
a
little
bit
more
spread
throughout
the
city.
A
But
you
know
if
you
have
suggestions,
if
you
think
that
we
miss
some
areas,
then
you
know,
please
tell
us,
because
you
know,
if
you
think,
there's
opportunities
to
build
or
to
change
the
the
regulations
in
any
place.
Then
you
know,
certainly
let
us
know
with
that,
but
but
that
was
the
process
of
doing
it.
A
So
it
was
through
that
community
process
that
hundreds
of
people
participated
in
and
and
then
the
other
thing
just
and
I
see
I
see
rosanna
then
then
karen
wilburn,
then
then
cal.
But
you
know
the
there's
a
lot
of
work.
A
That's
been
done
about
what
an
age-friendly
community
looks
like
and
you
know,
age-friendly
communities
tend
to
be
have
more
vertical
development,
more
mixed-use
development
to
bring
uses
closer
together
so
that
it's
more
walkable
and
that
lower
lower
scale
development
tends
to
lead
as
people
age
to
to
social
isolation.
A
Not
it's
not
always
the
case,
but
but
the
aarp
is
has
a
whole
aging
in
place
initiative
and
and
they
look
at
land
use,
and
this
is
based
on
work
that
they
have
done
as
well.
So
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
walkable
now
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
a
modification
to
the
character,
but
but
again
some
of
it
is
based
on
the
research
that
we've
that
we've
done
there.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
go,
I
think
I
said,
did
I
say:
rosanna
next:
okay,
yes,
rosanna
and
then
karen
and
then
and
then
cal.
Usually
I
go
left
to
right,
but
here
I
went
right
to
left
on
my
screen.
So
I'm
sorry
now
go
ahead.
H
So
on
the
original
map
that
you
showed
on
february,
2nd,
there
was
some
alternative
along
herbs
and
arbolous
and
that
because
I
live
around
that
area-
and
I
know
there's
a
shopping
center
there
and
it's
you
know
so-
is
that
off
of
the
as
a
possible
alternative
as
far
as
possibly
developing
it,
and
it's
just
the
three
that
you
have
in
place.
H
C
A
So
we
have
we
had,
and
I
don't
remember
what
those
those
specific,
what
that
specific
village
center
was,
but
one
of
them
was
maintain
it
just
as
commercial
one
was
convert,
converted
to
mixed
use
right
and
then
there
was
a
third
alternative,
and
I
believe
that
one
was
a
hybrid
of
the
two
where
some
of
it
was
misused,
and
some
of
it
was
commercial.
C
H
Okay,
so
because
that's
not
as
one
of
the
three
proposed
so
is
that
in
a
in
addition
to
the
three
that
are
proposed,
no.
H
Yeah,
no,
I
think
it's
there's
so
much
land
available
there
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
gosh.
That
would
be
so
ideal
because
it's
in
a
stable
community
there's
everything
would
be
walkable,
there's
a
number
of
parks
and
schools
available.
So
I
can
see
that
that
would
be
a
really
one
and
it's
close
to
the
freeway.
So
it
would
be
a
really
wonderful
alternative
to
make
use
of
that
space.
That's
because
it's
just
kind
of
dead
space
there
and
it's
all
right
yeah.
I.
C
H
You
know,
I
don't
know
something
more
to
it,
and
I
can
see
that
that
would
be
wonderful,
so
I
definitely
think
that
that
would
be
a
great
use
to
put
something
you
know
more
affordable.
You
know,
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
apartments
down
the
street
from
there,
but
I
think
that
would
be
really
really
good.
E
Can
you
matt?
Can
you
give
me
like
the
five-minute
tour
on
when
how
multi-family
housing
is
built?
How
does
a
unit
get
designated
as
affordable?
How
does
it
determine
how
many
are
going
to
be
quote,
affordable
and
then
who?
E
Who
bears
the
cost
for
the
below
market
charges
and
in
the
end,
what
are
the
guarantees
that
it
will
remain
in
an
affordable
unit?
For
instance,
I
used
to
live
in
a
in
a
complex
in
a
thousand
oaks
via
cleanest,
which
I
always
understood,
was
originally
formed
as
affordable
units
and
therefore
the
condo
units
were
required
to
be
owner-occupied.
They
couldn't
be
rented
for
more
than
a
year.
You
know
all
to
keep
people
away
from
turning
them
into
being.
You
know
just
investment
properties.
E
Well,
those
those
units
now
are
selling
for
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
You
know
30
years
later.
So
how
does
the
whole
affordable
housing
program
work
and
what
get
the
oh?
The
other
comment
is,
you
know,
someone
who
was
very
involved
when
dos
fiances
was
built
explained
to
me
that
several
of
the
apartment
and
condos
up
in
the
dos
vientos
area
were
originally
presented
as
being
there
would
be
affordable
units
and
then
the
builders
said
came
in
and
said:
oh,
we
can't
do
it
and
they
just
kind
of
bypassed
it
all.
A
Yeah
we've
seen
that
as
well
and-
and
it's
you
know
for
for
someone
who
believes
in
affordable
housing,
it's
frustrating
when
that
happens.
So
so
let
me
let
me
like
this.
This
will
be
less
than
five
minutes.
This
is
actually
pretty
quick
okay,
so
we
want
to
differentiate
between
what
we
call
capital
a
affordable
and
housing
that
is
affordable.
A
Okay,
so
you
know
start
with
the
second
one,
which
is
housing
that
is
affordable
is
lower
cost
housing
that
it
just
doesn't
cost
a
lot
to
live
there
right.
So
it
you
know,
a
studio
apartment
tends
to
be
less
expensive
than
a
three-bedroom
home
right
so
that
you
know
they're
different
housing
units,
but
but
one
is
more
affordable
to
live
in
than
the
other.
There
is
no
restriction,
there's
no
legal
restriction,
no
deed
restriction
on
affordability,
okay,
when
people
say
an
affordable
unit.
A
What
that
typically
means
is
a
unit
that
is
has
a
a
deed
on
it.
That
says,
you
cannot
charge
more
than
a
certain
amount
for
that
for
that
space.
Now
that's
where
it
gets
into
the
housing
element
of
of
very
low
income,
low
income,
moderate
at
the
percentage
of
ami,
which
is
called
area
median
income,
and
so
those
units
you
can
only
rent
them,
and
it
is
mostly
rental
and
not
ownership.
There
is
some
ownership,
but
I'm
going
to
stick
with
rental.
A
A
So
so
you
know,
and
so
that
that's
sort
of
it
in
a
nutshell,
then
then
you
have
affordable
housing
developers
who
come
in
and
just
build
affordable
housing
which
requires
multiple,
multiple
sources
of
funding
from
outside
from
the
federal
government,
the
state
government
from
local
government
from
private
entities
just
in
order
to
make
that
work,
because
housing
is
so
expensive.
A
It
is
the
subsidies
come
from
a
variety
of
sources,
so
cities,
a
lot
of
times,
have
have
affordable
housing
funds
that
people
pay
into.
There's
state
programs,
there's
federal
programs,
so
you
know
a
typical,
affordable
housing
project
will
sometimes
have
10
to
20
different
sources
of
funding.
In
order
to
make
that
project
work
they're
much
much
harder
to
build,
which
is
why
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
them.
E
A
Sorry,
thank
you.
Those
are
deed,
restricted,
typically
for
55
years.
D
A
Yeah,
that
was,
that
was
affordable,
housing
101..
That
was.
A
Okay,
it's
confusing
because
because
people
mean
different
things
when
they
say
affordable
housing,
are
there
we're
about
20
minutes
from
from
our
end
time
here
kyle,
it
looks
like
you
have
a
future,
a
future
thousand
oaks
planner.
Maybe
in
your
in
your
midst
there
does
anyone
else,
have
any
any
questions
or
any
comments
that
you
all
wanna
ask.
A
Some
of
you
have
been
have
been
quiet
here
this
evening
and
haven't
said
anything
I
will
not
call
you
out
but
but
feel
free
andrew.
I
did
see
you
with
your
hand
up
for
a
minute
and
then
you
took
it
down.
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
call
on
you,
okay,.
I
I
was
going
to
say,
go
ahead
and
call
on
me.
No,
I
just
I
wanted
to
just
looking
at
the
the
land
use
maps
and
the
alternatives
just
jump
in
on
a
on
a
couple
areas
I
looking
at
mixed
use
and
the
possibility
of
high
density
mixed
use.
I
Specifically
at
the
you
know,
I
I
think,
looking
at
the
oaks
mall
and
having
the
ability
to
put
mixed
use
there,
I've
been
a
big
component
of
for
a
number
of
years,
mainly
because
when
I
was
on
the
planning
commission
for
the
city
listening
to
the
public,
what
their
thoughts
were
on
on
when
we
had
these
mixed
use.
Projects
come
before
us.
It
was
obviously
setbacks.
Traffic
parking.
I
Many
of
these
issues,
which
I
feel
like
the
the
oaks
mall
specifically
is
very
ripe
for
and
when
you
look
at
the
that
kind
of
section
between
the
the
venturi
county
credit
union.
As
you
come
out
on
moorpark
and
moving
back
towards
the
mall
there's
a
lot
of
of
good
opportunity
there-
and
I
know
I
think,
there's
a
application
before
the
city
for
a
gym
and
and
some
other
uses,
but
I
just
want
to
generally
just
voice
my
support
for
for
having
mixed
use
there.
I
I
think
out
of
any
location
in
the
city
for
the
potential
of
high
density,
mixed
use.
That
would
be
a
spot
where
I'd
be
I'd,
be
generally
four
and
then
really
the
other
location
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up.
Is
I
actually
used
to
live
in
the
via
colinas
condos
area,
myself,
my
wife,
and
I
that
was
where
we
had
our
first
home.
So
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
kind
of
the
west
lake
west
lake
village
thousand
oaks
intersection
there,
and
I
just
think
I
want
to
just
caution.
I
I
Without
considering
other
transportation
options
and
modes
of
transportation,
be
it
you
know
making
sure
those
bike
lanes
are
solidified,
looking
at
electric
scooters
or
other
ways
that
people
can
go
around,
I
just
really
wonder
putting
additional
development
there,
whether
we're
going
to
see
just
I
mean,
there's
just
so
much
traffic
that
goes
through
there,
because
people
are
going
up
west
lake
to
go
to
you
know
north
ranch
and
cut
over
across
the
city.
I
A
Yeah,
no,
you
know
that's,
that's
that's
a
really
good
point,
and
actually,
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
the
maps
that
were
produced
through
the
online
survey
about
a
year
ago,
there
were
a
lot
more
maps
there.
There
were
a
lot
more
pinpoints
at
the
oaks
mall
and
around
jan's
marketplace
than
there
were
over
in
westlake.
So
you
know
the
the
information
that
we've
received
so
far
bears
that
out,
and
you
know
it
may
be
that
that
area.
A
You
know
we
get
through
the
process
and
it
just
remains
a
commercial
area
without
as
much
development.
You
know,
we've
certainly
heard
some
of
that
and-
and
I
think
you
know
a
couple
of
other
points
that
you
brought
up-
that
I
think
are
worth
mentioning
with
this.
Is
that
there's
an
advantage
to
focusing
if
you're
going
to
build
at
slightly
higher
densities,
there's
an
advantage
to
focusing
that
in
in
more
limited
areas
so
that
you
actually
get
the
benefits
of
those
uses
brought
together
right?
A
And
so
you
know
cal
had
mentioned,
or
if
someone
had
mentioned
spread.
You
know
just
spread
it
throughout
the
city
that
tends
to
lead
to
actually
more
traffic
congestion
and
more
driving
than
if
you
actually
concentrated
in
a
few
smaller
areas,
and
that
was
really
the
philosophy
of
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
to
concentrate
in
those
areas
and
it,
and
it
can
certainly
potentially
be
done
even
more
in
the
process
and-
and
you
know,
certainly
as
we
get
through
this,
there
are
going
to
be.
A
You
know
likely
going
to
be
areas
that
we're
going
to
hear
like
westlake,
that
people
really
wanted
to
remain
commercial
and
not
go
to
mixed
use,
and
so
we
have
that
as
an
option
and
we'll
you
know
we'll
see
what
comes
out
of
it
and
that's
why
we
presented
it.
That
way,
because
we
wanted
to
present
a
range
and
and
we'll
see
what
comes
out
of
it
with
the
feedback.
I
And
I
think
you
did
you
know
absolutely
fantastic
job.
I
can
vouch
for
you
on
two
different
cities
now,
but
simmering
knows
my
joke,
but
I
just
wanted
to.
On
the
westlake
front
I
mean
I
could
see
a
mixed
use,
but
certainly
not
a
high,
a
high
or
even
a
medium
density.
I
I
think
adding
more
residential
over
there,
I
think,
could
work,
because
you
do
see
a
lot
of
vacancies
in
some
of
the
residential
shopping
center
areas,
so
I
think
it
could
increase
and
bring
some
additional
business
there.
But
coming
back
to
what
you
said
on
the
traffic
and
what
I
just
continue
to
love
about,
putting
high
density
at
the
oaks
mall
or
concentrating
in
that
area
is
that
you
have
the
lynnette.
You
have
lynn
and
you
have
more
park.
You
have
easy.
I
Traffic
can
flow
right
to
the
101
on
both
sides,
and
it's
just
really
built
in
such
a
a
great
way
where
we
can.
We
can
have
that
type
of
use
in
our
city
without
necessarily
seeing
all
the
negative
things
that
kind
of
come
with
that.
I
call
them
negative,
but
you
know
where
it
can
be
perceived.
As
as
as
negative
outcomes
of
having
something
like
that,
but
keep
up
the
great
work
guys
I
mean
you
guys,
do
a
fantastic
job
and-
and
you
know
I
look
forward
to
continuing
in
the
process.
A
Thanks
thanks
for
joining
us
cindy,
you
have
your
hand
up.
F
Yes,
I
do
hi,
you
know.
I
know
that
that
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
over
the
course
of
a
year
and
a
half
or
so,
and
I'm
wondering
I
feel
like
a
little
bit.
The
elephant
in
the
room
is
the
impacts
of
covid
and
perhaps
different
needs
and
and
and
different
traffic
patterns.
Different
use
patterns
is
there?
Is
there
any
expect
or
not?
F
Is
there
any
scheduling
or
potentially
another
survey
to
to
reach
out
to
community
members
to
see
if,
if
there
is
a
different
use
or
any
impact
of
survey,
excuse
me
any
impact
on
kovid
because,
as
an
example
there's
a
lot
more
delivery,
I
could
see
with
developments
you
know
inside
the
grocery
centers
or
commercial
centers.
F
Perhaps
there
needs
to
be
consideration
of
of
traffic
flow
and
to
add
on
to
what
mr
pletcher
was
saying,
some
of
that
the
transportation
needs
might
be
different,
so
just
the
impact
of
covet
and
obviously
you
couldn't
anticipate
any
of
that.
A
Yeah
right
I
mean
you
know
a
year
ago
we
were,
you,
know
exactly
we
we
had
the
survey
out
about
where
new
development
should
go.
So
you
know
there
is.
There
is
thinking
going
on
about
what
actually
what
the
impact
that
covid
will
have
on
the
community.
I
mean
overall
in
like
how
how
we
live
and
how
we
work
and
we've
we've
seen
some
immediate
changes,
which
is
there.
There
have
been
more
people
who
have,
you
know,
have
left
the
big
areas
of
job
centers
and
I'm
I
actually.
A
I
think
you
guys
all
know
this,
I'm
in
the
bay
area-
and
you
know-
we've
had
a
mass
exodus
out
of
san
francisco
and
out
of
silicon
valley
to
other
places
and
people
buying
second
homes.
You
know
so
places
like
boise
and
and
bellingham
washington,
and
you
know
lots
of
places.
Are
these
sort
of
you
know
zoom
cities
as
they're
called,
so
you
know
we,
we
may
see
a
spreading.
A
A
We
have
the
desire
to
interact
and-
and
in
fact
what
we've
seen
with
covid
is
that
actually
those
spaces
have
gone
outdoors
and
we've
actually
transformed
our
transportation
system
in
a
lot
of
communities
to
have
places
to
exercise
and
to
eat
outside,
and
I
think
that
some
of
that's
going
to
be
here
to
stay
and
I
think
that's
actually
a
really
cool
thing.
That's
coming
out
of
covid.
A
So
to
more
specifically
answer
the
question
I
mean
this.
This
is
sort
of
the
survey,
but
but
you
know
we
are
looking
20
30
years
ahead
and
you
know
I
think,
we're
we're
more
likely
to
see
impacts
from
new
technologies
that
we
don't
know
about
yet
than
to
have
you
know
to
have
you
know
real
changes
just
from
covid
and
just
to
point
back,
I
mean
the
last
landings
plan
was
done
in
1970
seat
belts,
weren't
required
in
cars
in
1970
I
mean
you
know
things.
A
So
do
you.
I
do
have
thoughts
on
what
it
what
it
should
be.
You
know,
are
there
you
know
what
impact
will
it
have.
F
I
mean
I
do
think
that
that
people-
it's
human
nature
to
gather
for
sure,
but
I
do
think
work
patterns
and
expectations
of
work.
I
mean
in
some
ways
it's
not
popular,
but
the
most
equitable
thing
is
that
everyone
was
impacted
as
opposed
to
before
you
know.
A
small
community
of
disability
community
members
had
to
constantly
prove
that
they
could
work
remotely.
F
So
I
think
if
we
want
to
keep
our
competitive
advantage
against
our
neighboring
sitters
cities,
which
is
something
that
I
remember
reading
in
one
of
the
existing
conditions
report,
I
think
it
would
be
worth
sort
of
touching
base
with
the
community
to
see
is
this?
Is
this
a
feeling
that
is
going
to
last?
Or
is
there
something
that
we
can
take
with
this
big
new
information?
F
That's
affected
everybody
and,
as
you
mentioned
in
the
bay
area,
you
don't
have
to
live
there
to
work
there
and
I
think
some
of
our
major
corporations
like
amgen
and
others
who
just
downsized
you
know
the
the
need
for
housing
that
is
affordable,
not
just
affordable
housing,
and
how
do
we
be
competitive?
So
I
think
it's
a
really
unique
opportunity
once
in
a
multi-generation
to
maybe
reimagine
and
think
about
some
innovations
that
we
can
add
for
the
next
25
years,
just
a
thought.
It
doesn't.
E
A
Yeah,
I
I
think
some
some
how
to
describe.
Maybe
we
can
do
this
some
sort
of
time
for
some
like
group,
think
on
what
it
means
is
probably
a
better
way
to
think
about
it
than
maybe
like
an
online
survey.
I
think
most
people
would.
It
would
have
a
hard
time
answering
that
question
I
think
there
are.
There
are
a
limited
number
of
folks
who
are
really
thinking
about
like
what
it
means
for
the
physical
environment
and
how
cities
operate
and
what
it
means
for
thousand
oaks,
but.
F
Because
I
I
do
think
you
know
sorry
to
cut
you
off
the
sound
sort
of
there's
nothing,
but
I
I
do
think
you
know,
with
small
businesses
being
forced
to
close
the
availability
of
the
availability
of
commercial
space
and
mixed-use
development
might
also
change.
So
just
a
thought.
A
Yeah,
well,
you
know,
I
certainly
think-
and
I
had
mentioned
this
before-
and
the
the
data
is
bearing
this
out-
that
that
that
it's
having
a
tremendous
impact
on
on
small
businesses
on
restaurants
and
there's
a
lot
that
really
aren't
going
to
recover
and
as
the
city
had
more
retail
than
it
needed
bef.
You
know
pre-coded,
it's
really
going
to
have
a
lot
more
after
and
I
think
for
for
the
commercial
areas.
A
It's
really
going
to
be
important
in
in
this
process
to
think
about
what
how
those
areas
could
transform
into
something
that
isn't
a
vacant,
a
vacant
shopping
center
or
you
know
a
massage
parlor
or
you
know
whatever
is
in
those
spaces
now
that
that
may
be
not
contributing
as
much
to
the
community
as
it
could.
A
So
we
welcome
thoughts
on
that.
Okay,
some
some
more
any
other
comments
or
questions.
A
You
guys
yeah,
pablo
pablo
and
then
andrew.
D
D
C
So
if
you
can
see
the
chat
in
the
zoom
meeting
right
here,
I
just
sent
a
link
out
there's
actually
a
survey,
that's
open!
That's
asking
these
exact
questions
and
you
have
an
option
to
sorry.
I'm
hearing
a
really
loud
echo.
C
A
So
mixed-use
mixed-use
low
is,
is
essentially
up
to
a
mix
of
uses
of
residential
and
commercial
uses.
It
allows
a
mix,
but
it
could
be
just
one
or
just
the
other
that
allows
up
to
30
units
per
acre,
which
is
low,
like
three-story,
three-story,
multi-family
housing
and
up
to
50
feet,
which
the
50
feet
is
essentially
15
feet
higher
than
what's
allowed
in
residential
neighborhoods.
A
So
it's
sort
of
a
step
up
in
height
from
what's
in
the
residential
neighborhoods,
because
it
is
a
commercial
area,
but
but
again
there's
you
know
it's.
It's
not
necessarily
not
necessary
that
the
entire
thing
is
going
to
be
covered
by
a
50-foot
building.
You
know
more
likely,
you
would
see
an
apartment
building
or
some
town
homes
associated
with
the
retail.
A
Thank
you
yeah.
Thanks
andrew
you
were.
D
Next
thanks,
so
I
had
to
step
away
for
a
few
minutes.
So
sorry,
if
this
was
touched
on,
while
I
was
gone,
but
one
thing
that
I'm
interested
in
is
in
terms
of
you
know
the
proposals
each
of
the
land
use
proposing
a
number
of
mixed-use
types
and
increasing
that
across
the
the
portions
of
the
city
that
are
changed.
Yeah.
How
the
jobs
available
in
the
city
are
affected
by
that
by
each
of
those
land,
use
components,
and-
and
is
that
studied?
D
Is
that
more
information
available
on
on
the
jobs
metrics
in
terms
of
the
relative
relative
to
the
three
alternatives.
A
Do
you
mean
the
answer
to
your
question
is
maybe,
depending
on
what
it
is
that
you
actually
are
looking
for,
and
so
what
what
we
did
was
we
we
just
looked
at
the
total
job
numbers
and
all
of
the
alternatives
increase
the
potential
for
the
number
of
jobs
in
the
city.
Thank
you,
simran,
for
for
sharing
that.
So
all
of
the
alternatives
increase
the
potential
for
the
number
of
jobs
in
the
city.
A
Now
some
of
this
is
just
based
on
again
what
we
call
the
the
full
build
out,
which
is
you
take
the
the
total
area
and
you
and
for
jobs?
What
what
happens
is
you?
You
multiply
it
and
you
figure
out
the
the
building
square
footage
based
on
the
floor
area
ratio
and
then
the
software
that
we
use
to
do.
This
analysis
has
metrics
built
in
for
different
types
of
different
types
of
jobs
for
the
number
of
employees
per
thousand
square
feet.
A
So
it's
it's
essentially
a
ballpark,
and
we
look
at
this
as
sort
of
as
relative
numbers.
The
table,
I
think,
on
the
previous
page
simran,
if
you
want
to
go
to
that,
has
the
the
acres
for
different
uses,
and
here
you
can
see
industrial,
low
and
industrial
flex,
which
are
two
of
the
main
job
producing
uses,
there's
also
the
commercial
designations.
A
A
But
it's
just
trying
to
expand
the
amount
of
industrial
and
industrial
effects
is
really
it's
kind
of
again
office
and
r
d
space.
It's
trying
to
expand
that
within
the
city
and
and
by
doing
that,
actually
some
of
the
residential
numbers
were
higher.
The
residential
density
numbers
were
higher,
so
it
was
a
little
bit
of
a
trade-off
here.
You
know
there
isn't
it's
sort
of
a
guesstimate
about
what
those
jobs
would
actually
be
because
they,
each
of
these
designations,
accommodates
a
wide
range
of
different
types
of
non-residential
uses.
D
Thank
you.
Usually
my
questions
are
about.
You
know
mixed
use
and
housing,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
tie
together
some
of
the
you
know
some
of
the
mixed
use
components
of
ability
to
incorporate
jobs.
You
know
that
that
we'll
probably
need
in
the
city
going
forward
and
then
and
it
makes
the
type
of
housing
that
is
considered
in
mixed
use,
sort
of
maybe
more
attractive,
more
benefit
and
and
bring
out
more
community
benefits.
So
thank.
A
You,
and-
and
you
know,
we
did
hear
through
the
process-
that
that
a
lot
of
the
major
employers
that
job
retention
is
a
challenge
and
that
the
the
employees
want
places
that
are
more
mixed
use
and
and
higher
density.
You
know
and
walkable
with
more
activities
where
there's
more.
A
You
know
that
it
that
has
a
little
bit
of
a
different
character
than
what's
that,
then,
what's
in
the
city
now
and
and
that
what
they
found
is
that
their
employees
are
actually
going
elsewhere
and
sometimes
the
jobs
are
actually
going
elsewhere,
because
of
that
quality
of
life
that
the
employees
are
looking
for,
may
not
be
found
right
now
in
thousand
oaks.
A
Now
that
could
be
one
factor
that
you
have
in
thinking
about
the
alternatives.
It
may
not
be
important
to
you
either
that
that
that's
an
issue
for
the
employers,
so
you
know
again,
the
city
does
need
to
think
overall
about
about
how
it's
paying
its
bills,
because
you
all
have
come
to
know
a
very
high
quality
of
public
services,
and
we,
you
know,
we
in
the
process
have
been
charged
with
trying
to
help
make
sure
that
that
happens.
A
All
right,
okay,
kyle.
D
Okay,
great
yeah,
I
just
had
a
question
in
it.
As
a
general
note,
I
noticed
on
all
three
of
the
alternatives
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
neighborhood
high
density
allocated.
Is
there
a
reason
that
they
went
about
doing
it?
That
way,
because
you
know
when
you
have
different
rental
markets
and
there's
more
owners
competing
against
each
other?
You
and
you
usually
end
up
with
a
more
competitive
rental
rate.
A
Well,
I
can,
I
can
tell
you
just
you
know
a
little
bit
in
in
the
thinking,
and
you
know
one.
One
thing
is
that
you
know
we
we
created
the
landis
designations
and
then
we
applied
them
to
the
map,
and
then
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
sort
of
back
and
forth
to
make
some
of
the
numbers
work.
A
I
mean
you
know
that
was
sort
of
the
process
of
you
know,
identifying
differences
between
the
alternatives
and
and
when
we
got
through
all
of
this,
and
we
looked
at
the
numbers,
it
actually
one
of
the
things.
What
you
pointed
out
actually
jumped
out
at
me
as
well,
which
was
that
of
the
the
neighborhood
high,
wasn't
applied
a
lot
of
places,
and
so
I
started
thinking
about
why
that
was
and
and
the
the
reason
really
ended.
A
Up
being
that
we
heard
a
lot
of
desire
for
flexibility
in
some
of
the
areas
that
are
commercial
now
like
the
mall
and
that,
if
we
put
just
residential
or
neighborhood
high
in
in
there,
it
doesn't
give
the
flexibility
of
creating
a
more
mixed-use
type
of
place
and
that
the
mixed
use
actually
allows
for
neighborhood
high
on
its
own.
So
the
the
mixed
use
allows
for
residential
on
its
own.
A
If
it's
mixed
use,
you
could
actually
have
a
portion
that
is
just
commercial
and
then
a
whole
other
portion
that
is
just
residential
and
that
works
just
fine
within
the
landy's
designation,
and
so
that
was
why
we
ended
up
thinking
about
it.
That
way.
But
again,
the
concentration
in
the
eight
percent
of
the
city
was
really
based
on
the
feedback
we've
received
from
the
public
and
not
adding
multi-family,
immediately
adjacent
or
within
the
single-family
neighborhoods.
D
I
see
okay
yeah
just
because
well,
my
thinking
is
like
you
have
all
these
parcels
and
they
have.
They
have
the
opportunity
to
get
developed
when
there's
more
density,
because
it's
pretty
hard
to
take
a
single
family
home
and
build.
You
know
four
units,
but
it
becomes
economically
viable
when
you
can
put
nine
units
on
there
or
something.
You
know
that
there's
like,
because
I
believe
if
you
go
from
neighborhood
medium
high
to
neighborhood
high
there's
like
a
50
increase
in
the
units
allocated
per
acre.
A
A
Kyla,
you
know,
I
will
say
that
you
know
we.
We
didn't
hear
a
lot
of
comments
from
the
community
about
wanting
to
add
multi-family
into
the
single-family
areas,
which
is,
which
is
why
we,
you
know
why
the
alternatives
look,
the
way
that
they
do
so
you
know
we
again.
We
did.
We
heard
some
tonight
about
allowing
some
multi-family
or
you
know,
up
to
15
units
an
acre
and
keeping
it
the
way
it
is.
I
think
becca
had
that
as
a
comment,
but
we
didn't
hear
a
lot
in
the
process.
A
A
E
Away
from
specific
use
areas,
but
since
we
have
touched
on
some
of
them,
I'd
like
to
ask
the
question
on
specifically
the
36
acre
lot
in
newberry
park,
which
is
part
of
rancho
caneo
south
of
the
freeway.
That
is
bordered
by
the
101
and
alice
street.
E
E
Those
of
us
in
the
area
call
it
lake
newberry
just
so
you
know
just
how
did
this?
How
did
this
particular
plot
of
land
get
par,
get
picked
out
as
possibly
being
multi-family
or
mixed
use?
I
mean
it
is
a.
It
is
completely
surrounded
by
single-family
homes.
There
are
people
that
have
lived
here
20-25
years
that
multi-family
mixed
use
is
going
to
impact
views
of
the
mountains.
There
are
only
two
access
roads
to
get
to
that
lot.
E
A
Well,
it's
a
it's
so
there
there
there
are
advantages
to
that.
You
know
person.
We
had
heard
some
in
the
process
about
that
about
that
parcel
and
considering
mixed
use
on
that
parcel
this.
A
The
second
is
that
it
there
are
advantages
to
it
from
a
housing
perspective,
because
it
doesn't
it's
not
necessarily
that
the
entire
thing
would
be
at
that
scale
that
there's
an
opportunity
for
multiple
scales
of
residential,
with
putting
higher
density,
residential
adjacent
and
nearer
to
the
freeway
and
nearer
to
the
commercial
areas
and
tapering
down
to
lower
density
residential
areas.
A
E
There,
but
again
there
is
no
place
to
build
increased
access.
I
will
tell
you
that
there
is
no
place
other
than
maybe
bulldozing
the
the
ihop
on
orchard
and
having
the
access
there,
but
as
far
as
you
know,
you've
got
to
go
down
alice
to
get
to
that
lot
or
come
down
around
another
corner
of
bella,
and
it's
just
it
just
I'll.
Be
honest,
a
lot
of
the
other
stuff
look
great
to
me.
This
just
seems
ludicrous.
D
A
No,
I
you
know,
I
think
I
think
a
couple
of
things
were
happening
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
fair
point
and
I
think
you
should
definitely
add
that
in
the
comments
to
the
briefing
book-
and
we
will
certainly
take
that
into
consideration-
you
know
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
that
you
know
we
that
maybe
we
could
have
done
a
little
better
with
this
is
you
know
we
could
have
put
scale
density
on
it
where
a
portion
was.
A
You
know
where
we
had
that
sort
of
tapering
of
density,
which
probably
closer
reflects
what
could
ultimately
be
there
in
terms
of
that
vision,
so
that
you
don't
have
a
whole
series
of
you
know
four-story
buildings
right
up
against
single-family
residential
neighborhoods,
so
you
know,
I
think
you
know
that
that's
certainly
it's
really
it's
a
valid
comment.
It's
a
valid
point
and
access
is
definitely
is
definitely
an
issue
on
that
part.
So
we've
looked
at
that
a
little
bit
as
well,
but
please
put
the
comment
in
there.
A
I
mean
you
know
we
don't
we
don't
claim
that
every
everything
that
we've
done
in
here
is
correct
and
that's
why
you
know
it's
really
for
discussion
and
we
want
to
hear
what
the
comments
are.
B
Yeah
I'll
also
add,
the
general
plan
will
have
policies
for
ensuring
that
there's
adequate
transition
down
to
the
single
family
neighborhoods
when
you
do
have
taller
buildings
next
to
single-family
homes.
So
there
would
be
a
higher
setbacks.
There
would
be
step
downs
so
that
privacy
is
maintained
and
views
are
maintained
by
the
way
the
buildings
are
designed.
Now
the
actual
implementation
of
that
comes
through
the
zoning
code,
but
the
overall
policies
that
require
that
will
be
in
the
general
plan.
Yeah.
E
E
20
years
later
I
know
somebody
just
bought
a
house
at
the
end
of
alice,
and
I
I've
got
this
horrible
feeling
that
if
this
ends
up
going
through
the
people
that
sold,
that
house
are
going
to
be
embroiled
in
a
lawsuit
with
the
people
that
just
built
the
house
that
have
no
idea
that
their
house
sits
on
a
strip,
a
corner
where
there
is
potential
for
four-story
buildings.
Now
so
it
just
again.
E
I
just
seem
so
ludicrous,
as
developers
been
trying
to
build
on
the
slot
for
30
years,
has
not
been
able
to
make
it
affordable
because
it
there's
so
much
mitigation.
That's
going
to
have
to
be
done
in
order
to
get
bring
this
out
of
the
floodplain
it's
in
a
flood
zone
b.
Right
now,
so
I
I
just-
I
really
didn't
understand
the
thinking
that
it
was
even
considered
as
an
alternative.
It
just
seems
it
just
seems
like
it
would.
E
Would
it
should
have
been
a
non-starter
from
the
very
beginning
and
just
stayed
as
single
family,
because
I
didn't
see
any
other
place
within
any
of
the
areas
of
change
where
you
impacted
so
heavily.
What
is
our?
What
is
strictly
a
residential
neighborhood?
Everything
else
is
already
commercial
retail
areas.
This
is
strictly
a
residential
neighborhood
that
is
going
to
be
completely
impacted.
A
Okay
well.
Thank
you.
I
no
appreciate
appreciate
the
comment
with
that
and
the
thoughts
associated
with
it.
It
is
absolutely
a
unique
parcel
in
the
city
without
question
they're,
you
know
it.
It's
rare
to
have
a
30-plus
acre
parcel
like
that
in
in
the
city.
So
you
know
it
absolutely
is
unique
and
I
think
you
know
you're
absolutely
right.
A
It
warrants
some
more
thought
on
exactly
what
can
happen
there
and
you
know,
maybe
even
a
little
bit
more
detailed
thinking
and
concepts
in
the
plan
itself,
rather
than
just
a
color
on
the
map.
Thank
you,
yeah.
Absolutely,
okay,
so
we're
about
10
minutes
over.
I
think
we
should
probably
wrap
up
here
unless
anyone
has
any
final
pressing
questions.
A
You
know
I
I
any
final
pressing
questions.
You
guys
have
you're
all
the
troopers
here
who
have
stuck
this
out
to
the
to
the
end.
You
know
I
appreciate
everyone.
This
was
a
great
conversation.
I
mean
we
really
wanted
to.
We
understand
that
the
february
2nd
meeting
was
was
a
lot
of
presenting
at
you
with
not
really
any
time
at
all
to
talk,
and
so
we
that's
why
we
have
these
office
hours
and
we
really
appreciate
that
we
can
actually
have
a
more
more
informal
conversation
with
folks.
A
So
we
have
three
more
of
these.
Please.
All
of
you
tell
all
of
your
your
friends
and
neighbors
and
acquaintances
about
about
the
survey.
Have
them
come
to
the
to
one
of
these
next
open
houses?
If
you
have
suggestions
of
how
we
can
reach
out
to
more
people,
definitely
send
an
email
and
and
again,
please
keep
the
comments
coming,
because
you
know
we
we
we
take
a
stab
at
this
at
the
alternatives,
based
on
what
we've
heard
so
far
and
now's
the
time
for
feedback.
E
Is
there
any
chance
of
getting
an
extension
on
that
3-1
for
the
survey,
because
that
really
was
a
pretty
short
time
frame
for
such
a
major?
You
know
it's
a
60-page
book
and
look
at
this.
We've
only
got
20
this
meeting
here
tonight.
So
trying
to
you
know
get
people
on
you
know
to
understand.
What's
going
on
and
respond
within
two
and
a
half
three
weeks,
I
I
just
I
thought
was
maybe
a
little
short.
A
Yeah,
so
we
we
are
going
to
have
to
keep
the
survey
to
that
time.
But
again
it's
not.
This
is
not
the
end
of
the
of
the
public
discourse
on
this,
and
so
you
know
keep
keep
that
in
mind
because
it
goes
you
know,
there's
time
afterwards.
It
goes
to
the
planning
commission,
it
goes
to
the
city
council
and
then,
and
then
even
after
that
there's
you
know,
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
tweaking
after
that,
and
there's
certainly
going
to
be
a
lot
of
conversation
about
a
lot
of
topics.
A
So
I
I
understand
the
you
know
it's
only
a
month,
but
but
just
know
this
isn't
the
end
here,
it's
just
where
the
conversation
will
continue.
A
Okay,
all
right!
Everyone!
Well,
thank
you
all,
have
a
have
a
good
evening,
good
holiday
weekend
and
tell
all
your
friends
to
come
to
the
next
meetings.
Thank
you.