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B
All
right,
good
evening,
everybody
we
have
about
10
folks
this
evening,
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
more
join.
We
have
a
for
right
now,
a
little
bit
of
a
skeleton
crew
from
the
city.
The
rest
of
the
staff
is
finishing
up
a
youth
workshop
talking
about
the
alternatives,
so
that's
pretty
exciting,
we're
getting
out
and
talking
to
lots
of
folks
how
a
handful
of
you
were
on
the
last
we're
on
the
last
meeting.
Let
me
just
say
how
we,
how
we
recommend
this
meeting
work.
B
Essentially,
this
is
this:
is
an
office
hours,
it's
an
opportunity
for
you
all
to
ask
us
questions
at
february
on
the
february
2nd
gpac
workshop,
there
really
was
not
a
lot
of
time
for
discussion.
It
was
more
presentation
of
information.
We
recognized
that
it
was
like
drinking
from
a
fire
hose
with
everything
that
was
there
plus
the
briefing
book.
B
We
know
it's
a
lot
to
take
in,
and
so
we
have
these
office
hours
as
a
more
informal
opportunity
for
all
of
us
to
have
a
conversation
for
you
to
ask
questions
to
share
your
ideas,
but
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
the
the
main
way
that
we
are
going
to
be
getting
feedback
on
the
alternatives
is
through
the
online
survey.
So
that
is
really
the
opportunity
you
know
we
are
hearing
what
you
all
are
saying
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
you
know
karen,
you
were.
B
You
were
quite
vocal
in
your
ideas
and
your
suggestions,
which
is
great
and
we're
taking
those
down.
The
alternatives
are
an
opportunity
to
have
discussions
about
the
future
of
the
city.
There
are
no
real
decisions
made
at
this
point.
We
are.
You
know
fully
aware
that
some
of
the
things
that
are
in
there
are
not
going
to
be
attractive
to
some
folks
in
the
community,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
the
final
decision.
This
is
the
way
to
we
heard
suggestions
to
explore
different
ideas,
and
so
that's
what
we're
doing
so.
B
I
want
everyone
to
sort
of
just
recognize
that
as
we're
starting
this
process
and
working
in
this
process,
we
are
recording
this
meeting.
I
have
a
we
can.
I
can
share
my
screen
and
we
can
go
over
any
of
the
maps
if
you
want,
but
essentially
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
you
know,
start
the
conversation,
that's
how
we
did
it
before.
B
There's
a
small
group
here,
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
if
folks
are
comfortable
for
those
of
you
who
don't
have
your
video
turned
on,
I
would
welcome
you
to
do
that.
So
we
can
all
see
each
other
you
can.
If
you
want
to
speak,
you
can
either
use
the
raised
hand
feature
or
you
can
or
you
can
just
wave.
You
can't
really
see
me
now,
wave
and
and
I'll
see
you
and
call
on
you
and
we
do
want
to
encourage
kind
of
conversation.
B
The
discussion
among
you
all
as
well
how's
that
sound
good,
okay
and
just
really
quickly.
So
we
know
that,
and
and
karen
I
did
see
your
hand
up-
we,
we
know
that
some
folks
have
been
having
some
challenges
with
going
into
the
maps
and
making
some
comments.
Melissa
from
my
staff
is
here,
and
she
can
walk
through
how
to
do
that.
B
C
Maybe
so
I
thought
I
would
just
circle
back
to
a
couple
of
questions
I
had
last
week
that
you
weren't
prepared
to
answer
and
hope
and
hoping
that,
maybe
you
might
have
the
answers
at
this
point,
and
the
first
question
is
other
than
this
lot
on
this
36
acre
parcel
at
the
end
of
alice.
C
Are
there
other
watts
or
other
areas
within
these
proposals
that
are
currently
strictly
residential?
Now,
where
the
proposals
are
other
than
low
density
residential,
or
is
this
slot
strictly
that
only
area.
B
We
have
not
had
a
chance
to
do
that
as
of
yet,
but
we
will
do
that
and
get
back
to
you
on
that
again,
you
can.
You
can
flip
through
the
maps.
If
you
want
to
see
it
sooner,
we
know
it's
a
little
cumbersome
to
do
that.
C
Yeah,
I
just
I
tried,
and
I
I
just
couldn't,
and
then
the
second
is,
is
moving
on
to
my
next
question
of
in
theoretical,
build
out
mode
mode.
If,
based
on
these
various
proposals,
I
think
what
you
told
me
last
week
is
all
three
alternatives:
have
the
total
number
of
housing
units?
That's
about
the
same?
It's
just
a
matter
of
where
they're
you
know.
Are
they
in
this
spot
or
that
spot?
But
my
question
was
in
theoretically
if
these
were
built
out
to
the
maximum
density.
That's
in
these
proposals.
C
What's
the
range
of
housing
units
this
could
this
could
create,
and
actually
what
I
would
really
like
is
to
is
to
get
it
down
to
a
level
where
I
could
say
you
know
and
rancho
canelo
on
this
lot
in
newbury
park.
You
know
alternative
one
would
be
you
know,
1200
units
to
1600
units
and
the
thousand
oaks
corridor.
Alternative
two
could
be
so
many
units.
I
I
mean
I
I
know
at
some
point.
C
C
So
I'm
just
wondering
if,
since
last
week,
you've
had
a
chance
to
gather
those
numbers.
B
No,
we
weren't,
we
weren't
planning
on
gathering
the
numbers
by
sub
area.
Overall,
the
as,
as
I
had
said,
you
know
a
couple
of
things.
One
is.
The
existing
general
plan
allows
for
81
184
units.
D
B
Housing,
as
you
all
know,
there's
about
48
000
housing
units
in
the
city.
That
plan
was
adopted
in
1970
we're
51
years
later
and
we're
barely
over
half
built
out.
B
So
you
know
the
planning
happens
in
a
very
long
scale
if
at
all
and
decisions
about
development
are
made
not
by
the
city
but
by
individual
property
owners,
and
it
takes
a
lot
for
a
property
owner
to
go
from
a
property
that
is
turning
a
profit
that
is
making
money,
even
if
it's
not
as
much
as
they
could
make
into
taking
a
risk
and
building
a
new
development.
B
So
you
know
what
we
see
overall
is
that
there
are
many
many
communities
that
have
the
the
dream
about
what
they
might
want
to
see
that
never
come
to
fruition,
because
it
is
based
on
the
decisions
of
individuals,
individual
property
owners
who
have
to
make
individual
financial
decisions,
and
I
think
the
example
of
that.
You
know
it's
happening
right.
You
know
right
here
in
the
city,
which
is
that
the
the
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
development
and
redevelopment
of
parcels
at
higher
intensity
that
hasn't
happened.
It
hasn't
happened
in
50
years.
B
So
you
know
there
we
need
to
just
you
know,
keep
that
in
mind
that
that's
why
there's
growth
projections
versus
theoretical
build
out?
Okay,
so
all
of
the
all
of
the
alternatives
have
the
same
amount
of
of
development
capacity.
C
Let
me
step
back
a
question
then,
if,
if
these
areas
that
are
in
the
proposals
are
not
re-zoned,
what
is
the
actual
current
capacity
within
the
city
for
additional
build-out,
based
on
the
current
zoning.
C
So,
even
okay,
that
that's
that's
what
the
general
plan
was
and
the
general
plan
included
things
like
low
density
housing
that
might
be
two
to
four
units
per
acre.
That
ultimately
was
only
built
at
two
units
per
acre.
So
therefore,
there's
two
units
that
have
gone
in
the
bank
that
that
we're
using
for
that
81
000.
B
C
B
Someone
could
do
two
houses
on
a
single
lot
or
if
they
they
could
do
four
houses
on
a
single
lot,
and
the
current
general
plan
allows
that.
I.
C
B
So
so
a
couple
things
so
one
is,
we
do
see
a
lot
of
that
and
that's
a
trend
that
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
is
that
people
are
adding
on
to
their
houses,
doing
flag,
lots
and
doing
other
other
things
so
that
you
end
up
having
on
a
single
family
home.
You
end
up
having
three
to
four
to
six
units
if
the
density
allows
it
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
that
happening,.
B
B
So
if,
if
you
are
in
an
area
that
is
four
and
a
half
to
15
units,
an
acre
and
you
are
on
a
parcel
that
has
one
unit
that
may
be
half
an
acre,
you
can
build
seven
units
total
on
that
parcel
and
that
and
and
the
the
the
city
can't
stop
you,
because
state
law
now
says
that
you
can,
and
so
you
know
and
there's
a
couple
of
things
here.
B
So
again,
this
is
sort
of
big
picture,
so
you
know
one
is
what
we
did
and
what
we
heard
was
that
people
don't
necessarily
want
that
to
happen.
They
like
the
single-family
neighborhoods
and
don't
want
multi-family
in
the
single-family
neighborhoods.
So
one
of
the
strategies
you
know,
and
while
that
is
a
strategy
to
allow
that
to
happen,
one
of
the
strategies
that
we
heard
is
that
that
to
move
some
of
the
development
from
the
the
areas
that
are
currently
single-family
into
other
areas
to
allow
that
housing
to
be
built.
B
There
is
to
keep
people
out
of
areas
that
might
be
high
fire
hazard
areas
and
move
them
into
areas
that
have
less
fire
hazard.
You
know
in
the
that
where
there's
no,
so
so
we
heard
a
lot
of
things.
So
it's
not
just
about
you
know
where
the
housing
goes.
It's
also
about
this
broader
vision
and
that's
why
I've
encouraged
people
to
try
to
think
about
the
vision
rather
than
the
numbers,
because
the
reality
is
that
when
we
look
at
an
area
we
look
at
a
building.
B
We
generally
don't
know
how
much
density
is
there.
We
don't
know
how
many
people
are
there,
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
we
want
to.
We
want
to
encourage
you
to
think
about
the
types
of
places
that
you
want
in
the
city
and
go
based
on
that
vision.
The
numbers
will
follow
again.
I
I
would
bet
that
in
the
next
50
years
there
is
absolutely
no
way
the
city
is
going
to
reach
100
capacity.
I've
never
seen
it
happen
in
a.
C
City,
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
just
would
we
actually
in
the
areas
that
have
that
are
determined
to
be
not
changed?
Would
we
actually
down
zone
some
of
these
areas
to
keep
the
81
000
as
a
net
zero?
I
mean
if
we,
if
we
put
yeah,
if
we
increase
in
in
these
four
areas-
and
we
don't
change
the
other
areas,
then
our
general
plan
could
now
be
a
hundred
thousand.
B
That's
right,
that's
right!
So
so
so
it's
a
combination,
that's
and
we
explain
that
that
some
of
the
areas
where
we're
gonna
down
zone
those
areas
so
that
you
can't
do
the
the
you
know
the
15
units,
an
acre
in
an
area,
that's
where
it's
currently
four
and
a
half
units,
an
acre
single
family
homes
and
move
some
of
that
density
to
to
the
corridors
and
these
other
areas
that
we
identified
now
it
may
not
be
the
number
that
we're
talking
about.
We
there
may
be
more
capacity.
C
And-
and
I
guess
I
would
like
to
end
my
question
with
I-
I
understand
it's
conceptual
and
I
understand
that
the
ultimate
of
you
know
when
you
issue
ranges
of
density,
that
what
the
developer
decides
to
do
is
very
much
in
question
and
and
ultimately,
what
the
city
approves
is
in
question,
because
they're
not
going
to
deal
with
the
infrastructure
issues
until
the
until
the
development
is
actually
put
before
them
for
approval.
But
I
think,
in
all
due
respect,
I
would
still
like
to
see
the
numbers.
C
The
range
could
be
as
low
as
x
number
of
units
to
as
maximum
as
I
again
I
just
I
can't
believe
a
city
council
member
is
going
to
vote
on
something
and
not
see
what
the
ultimate
range.
B
That's
that's
a
separate,
that's
a
separate
question
about
what
council
will
do
that.
None
of
us
here
are
on
the
council
and
can't
answer,
but,
but
certainly
you
know
we,
you
know,
let
me
look
and
see
what
information
we
can
provide
again.
What
the
challenge-
and
I
will
be
I'll,
be
completely
honest.
B
The
challenge
is
once
you
start
looking
just
at
the
numbers
you
people
lose
what
the
vision
is,
so
the
idea
is,
we
want
people
to
focus
on
the
vision
and
what
they
want
to
see
and
the
type
of
place
that
they
want
to
create,
rather
than
you
know,
is
this
1200
units
or
1300
units.
C
Yeah,
but
I
think
for
those
of
us
in
the
immediate
neighborhoods
that
that
that
vision,
that
is
more
than
just
the
vision,
that's
a
very
impactful
number
that
we
can't
really
give
our
feedback
on
without
having
that.
So.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you.
Okay,.
B
Paul
are
you?
Are
you
there
he's
you're
on
mute
there
you
go
now
you're
off
mute.
B
D
Other
meetings
and
it
didn't
work
here,
okay,
so
just
one
clarification
from
that
last
conversation.
What
I
got
out
of
that
is
that
the
81
000
units
is
staying.
81
000
units
that
the
overall
build
out
is
not
changing.
Is
that
right,
correct,
correct,
okay,
so
the
other
one
is?
Is
the
overall
general
plan?
I
don't
know,
I
don't
understand
whether
it's
something
that
says
once
something
gets
approved
in
the
general
plan.
D
Does
that
mean
that
we
basically
can't
stop
it
and
as
an
example,
we
had
something
recently
where
I
I
read
in
the
paper.
I
don't
know
the
details,
but
that
we
had
a
choice
between
allowing
a
50-foot
building
or
cutting
down
for
oak
trees,
and
I
was
going.
How
did
we
get
ourselves
in
a
situation
like
that?
So
in
the
general
plan?
B
Yes,
now
there
are
other
regulations
that
are
in
place
if
you're,
you
know,
if
there's
a
flood
zone,
if
there
are
regulations
about
trees,
if
there
are
you
know,
then
then
that
impacts
the
capacity
and
that
impacts
the
size
of
the
building.
But
what
what
we
find
is
that
you
know
there
are.
There
are
other
regulations
in
place.
Typically,
you
know
you
that
that
can
impact
the
size
and
scale
of
a
development.
B
Topography,
you
know
lots
of
different
things,
but
the
size
of
the
lot
impacts
things
so
yeah.
D
I
understand
that
I
understand
that
my
question
is:
is
really
if
we
go
to
allowing
these
maximums
whatever
it
is,
have
we
locked
ourselves
into
in
the
future
not
being
able
to
say
no
to
somebody
because
apology
didn't
stop
it
and
you
know
all
of
the
other
things
you
talked
about,
didn't,
stop
it
and
we'd
maybe
prefer
to
have
a
30-foot
building
in
that
area.
But
if
it's
a
pretty
individual
plan,
do
we
have
to
say
well
yeah
we're
stuck
now
you
have
to
get
to
those.
B
Well,
we
should
so,
yes,
you
should
think
we
should.
We
need
to
think
carefully
now
about
where
there
is
intensity
and
more
intensity
and
where
there
isn't
and
that's
part
of
this
process.
You
know
I
do
I
you
know
we
we
also
recognize
have
to
recognize
that
there
are
needs
in
the
city
that
need
to
be
met.
It's
important
that
the
city
evolve.
You
know,
we've
heard
that
a
lot
in
the
process
and
the
question
is:
how
do
we
get?
B
How
can
that
evolution
happen
to
make
sure
that
there
is
responsible
evolution
that
doesn't
change
the
overall
quality
of
life
in
the
community?
And
again
you
know
it's
a
really
small,
like
as,
as
we
had
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
the
the
area
that
we're
even
looking
at
what
we're
calling
quote
areas
of
change
is
less
than
eight
percent
of
the
city.
Of
that
a
large
percentage
is
residential,
existing
residential
neighborhoods
that
we
don't
foresee
much
change
in
and
also
commercial
potentially
commercial
uses.
You
know
rancho
canejo,
so
it's
it's.
B
Actually
the
percentage
is
getting
smaller
and
smaller,
and
what
I'd
really
encourage
folks
to
do
is
to
think
about.
You
know
where
are
the
areas
that
could
have
an
evolution
to
be
something
that
is
a
little
different
than
it
is
today.
That
also
enables
something
to
happen,
because
there's
a
lot,
we
heard
a
lot
of
folks
who
said
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
affordable
housing
in
the
community.
We
want
a
diversity
of
housing
types,
you
know,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
know.
B
D
Right,
I
just
wanted
to
understand
whether
we're
basically
locking
ourselves
into
what
some
of
us
would
consider
a
worst
case
and
not
be
able
to
say
no
as
opposed
to
all
right.
Well,
if
the
situation
warrants
it,
then
we
can
allow
them
to
go
to
that
to
that
higher
level
or
higher
density
or
whatever
they
cover
the
issue.
B
Okay,
roseanne
actually
hold
on
roseanne.
I
actually
phil
had
his
hand
up
previously.
So
let's
go
to
phil
and
then
to
you
hello.
Can
you
hear
me
you
can.
E
Good
evening,
good
evening,
this
is
my
first
time
to
the
meeting.
I
did
welcome
at
your
meeting
online
from
the
second
and
read
your
booklet,
your
50
page
booklet.
I
have
a
few
questions.
I
live
in
casa
canejo
in
the
area
in
the
development
behind
the
field
south
of
the
101
and
west
of
orchard.
E
That
karen
was
speaking
about
earlier.
My
understanding
is
that
that's
currently
zoned
r1
I've
lived
here
for
15
years.
When
I
moved
in,
we
were
told
that
it
was
zoned
r1
and
that
we
could
only
expect
single-family
dwellings
to
be
built
there
in
the
future.
E
E
What
is
the
pro
first
of
all,
what
is
the
process
from
chain
for
changing
from
r1
to
a
zoning
thing
like
that?
Second
of
all,
if
citizens
here
are
concerned
about
that
change,
what
steps
exactly
can
we
take
to
bring
it
surface
it
bring
it
to
your
attention
so
that
it'll
be
addressed
appropriately
and
taken
seriously.
Thank
you.
I'm.
B
Good
yeah
thanks,
so
you
know
I
will.
I
will
say
that
that
that
person
has
come
up
quite
a
bit
in
conversation,
and
so
you
know
the
the
process
of
commenting.
B
Is
you
you
comment
in
the
briefing
book
you
can
comment
in
the
briefing
book
and
you
can
fill
out
the
survey
you
know
we
have.
We
have.
I
said
this
previously.
You
know
we
have
heard
lots
of
comments
about
this,
so
it's
absolutely
already
on
our
radar
to
think
about
how
that
parcel
could
have
a
maybe
a
more
refined
vision
than
just
one
color
on
it
right
now.
B
It's
you
know
it's
one
parcel,
so
one
color
was
put
on
it,
but
we've
certainly
heard
a
lot
of
comments
from
folks
already
about
maybe
rethinking
part
of
the
vision,
the
vision
for
part
of
that
site,
so
that
there's
transition
so
that
it's
maybe
not
not
all
mixed
use.
So
you
know
I
let
me
I'll
say
right
away,
you
know
we've,
you
know
we
have
heard
you
so
far.
B
So
it's
it's
on
the
radar,
it's
on
our
radar
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
encourage
folks
to
to
fill
out
the
survey,
because
that's
the
primary
method
of
of
communicating
the
information
in
the
survey
you'll
see
for
that.
For
that
general
area,
you
can
write
in
another
recommendation
for
what
you
would
want
to
see.
So
you
know
again
we
this
is.
This
goes
for
every
parcel
in
the
city.
B
E
If
we
are,
you
know
very
seriously,
concerned
about
changing
because
it
seems
like
to
me
it
should
be
a
big
process
to
change
from
one
zoning
label
an
r1
to
another.
One
seems
like
a
really
big
deal
to
me.
You
know
like
up
in
dos
vientos
they
if
they
wanted
to
do
it,
they
would
probably
have
you
know
big
meetings
about
it,
so
it
seems
to
me
like
there.
We
should
be
able
to
do
something
like
submit
a
petition
or
something
to
the
city
council
and
say:
hey,
wait
a
minute.
Stop!
E
B
That
you
are,
you
are
welcome
to
do
you.
You
are
welcome
to
communicate
whatever
you
would
like
to
the
council.
You
know
we
have
a
two-year
process
here
for
thinking
about
land
uses
in
the
city.
That
is
the
the
beginning.
It's
the
vision,
it's
the
high
level,
and
so
you
know
it's
not
that
this
is
not
a
you
know.
This
is.
This
is
a
long
process
that
we
have
been
on.
B
I
I
hear
you
say
that
this
is
the
first
time
you've
you've
been
involved
and
we're
glad
you're
here
and
we're
glad
you're
talking.
But
but
you
know
this
is
part
of
that
of
that
process.
It
is
that
first
step
in
the
process,
so
sharing
your
feelings
now
and
your
thoughts
is,
is
absolutely
appropriate
and
we
encourage
you
to
do
that.
We
encourage
everyone
to
do
that
for
all
of
this.
That's
why
we're
here.
E
I
guess
I
have
another
question.
Sorry
I
just
found
out
about
this
last
weekend
and
it
sounds
like
the
from
the
looking
at
the
materials
that
abode
is
going
to
be
taken,
maybe
in
march
or
april,
is
that
you
know
when
things
get
locked
down,
or
is
this
going
to
go
on
for
several
years
in
the
conceptualization
stage
before
a
vote?
Is.
B
B
Getting
locked
it's
getting,
the
preliminary
plan
is
getting.
I
is
going
to
be
identified
in
april
may.
There
can
be
some
refinements
over
time,
but
by
a
year
from
now
is
when
the
plan
will
be
adopted.
You
know
again,
we've
been
we've
been
going
at
this
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
press
about
it.
We've
had
a
lot
of
meetings
about
it,
we're
glad
you're
here
now
it's
never
too
late.
You
can
always
make
changes.
You
can
always
recommend
things.
E
B
Thank
you
very
much
yeah.
Thank
you
and
again
we
really
do
encourage,
as
you
know,
comments
and
comments
from
all
of
your
neighbors,
so
you
know
have
them,
have
them
jump
in
to
the
conversation
and-
and
I
will
just
say,
roseanne
you're
up
next,
but
you
know
I
will
say
we
have.
You
know
karen
talked
a
lot
about
it.
We've
received
comments
about
this,
so
it's
absolutely
on
the
radar
for
us.
Okay,
president.
F
So,
to
reiterate
what
phil
said
I
have
been
involved
in
this
process
since
about
this
time
last
year,
when
the
gpac
meeting
started-
and
I
know
that
the
vast
majority
of
people
I
know,
including
the
president
of
my
homeowners
association-
are
very
thin
on
details
about
what
is
going
on.
So,
even
though
the
staff
and
the
consultants
say
that
this
has
been
a
long-standing
process
with
a
lot
of
outreach,
I
think
a
vast
majority
of
the
community
does
not
feel
like
they
were
made
aware
of
what
was
going
on.
F
That's
just
preface
and
and
speak
up
for
phil,
and
whoever
else
is
feeling
like.
This
is
all
very
new
to
them,
because
I
have
been
reaching
out
to
my
friends
and
colleagues
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
know.
What's
going
on,
people's
lives
are
really
really
busy
and.
F
A
lot
of
people,
most
people
don't
pay
attention
to
what's
going
on
in
the
city,
because
their
lives
are
busy
and
because
up
until
a
year
ago,
there
wasn't
really
major
change
that
I
think
people
felt
like
they
needed
to
pay
attention
to.
So
just
a
heads
up
that,
even
though
you
feel
like
your
engagement
process,
has
been
very
exhaustive,
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
don't
feel
that
way.
F
You
keep
mentioning
that
only
eight
percent
of
the
community
is
going
to
undergo
any
change
and
so
that
it's
really
a
very
small
amount
of
space.
That's
impacted,
however,
those
small
areas
of
change
are
significantly
being
impacted,
which
is
why
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
somewhat
distressed
about
what
they're,
seeing
and
feel
like.
F
B
Question
we
are
I'll,
tell
you
we
we're
talking
internally
about
if
there
are
ways
to
we're
on
a
deadline
for
for
the
housing
element
and
so
and
so
what
we're
talking
internally
about,
if
there's
ways
to
extend
the
the
process,
we're
working
with
our
team
members
to
see
how
that
can
happen.
So
we
can
still
stay
on
schedule
and
not
suffer
the
wrath
of
the
state
and
have
the
city
get
into
trouble
for
other
things.
So
you
know
we
we
hear
you
on
that.
B
We've
been
that's
another
thing
that
we've
heard
and
we're
thinking
about
as
well.
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
so
that
we
could
tell
you
we're
thinking
about
it.
F
Okay
and
my
questions
were
specifically
phil-
asked
a
question
about
once.
The
general
plan
is
teaser
crossed
and
eyes
are
dotted
and
everything
and
the
development
comes
up.
What
options
do
we
have
if
something
is
proposed
that
we
don't
like
that,
actually
meets
all
the
requirements
of
the
general
plan,
and
you
talked
about
the
need
for
or
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
people
would
like
to
see
affordable
housing,
I'm
one
of
them.
F
I'm
also
concerned,
as
you
all
know,
about
sustainability
features
in
our
buildings
that
are
being
that
are
coming
up.
So
my
question
is:
how
do
we
make
sure
that
those
provisions
which
put
limitations
on
what
can
be
built
are
actually
incorporated
in
the
general
plan?
What
is
the
process
for
doing
that?.
B
Well,
there's
two
things:
that's
a
really
good
question,
so
there's
two
things
so
one
is
that
the
general
plan
is
the
guiding
document
in
the
city,
but
it
doesn't
identify
every
single,
every
single
answer,
and
so
that's
what
zoning
does
so.
Zoning
follows
the
general
plan
and
any
any
modification.
B
Any
creation
of
new
zoning
districts
needs
to
be
reflected
in
in
the
zoning
as
well,
because
the
zoning
identifies
things
like
building
building
setbacks,
open
space
requirements,
landscape
requirements,
parking
requirements
and
lots
of
other
aspects
that
actually
make
a
building
nice
rather
than
a
big
box,
which
is
ultimately
what
we
want
is
if
you're
going
to
build
something
you
want
it
to
contribute
to
the
community.
You
want
it
to
be
nice.
Looking
you
know,
rather
than
something
that's
a
an
ugly
monolith,
because
we
know
we've
seen
plenty
of
those
built
over
the
last
few
generations.
F
B
Is
can
you
can
you
stop?
Can
if
there's
a
project
that
you're
like
yeah?
We
just
don't
like
this
and
it's
a
housing
project.
You
can't
there.
The
the
state
has
in
in
the
law
sb
330,
which
I
had
mentioned
in
the
presentation.
The
the
state
has
identified
the
requirement
for
objective
design
standards.
B
So
we
have
to
have
very
clear
standards
that
if
those
standards
are
met,
you
can
build
the
project,
it
doesn't
mean
the
city
doesn't
have
a
say,
it
doesn't
mean
it
doesn't
need
to
go
through
design
review,
but
the
city
can't
just
categorically
say
nah.
I
don't
like
it,
even
though
it
meets
everything
about
zoning.
We
just
don't
like
it
too
bad
that
used
to
happen,
and
that
is
one
of
the
leading.
B
The
the
stopping
projects
that
were
allowed
in
zoning
is
one
of
the
reasons
were
two
to
three
million
housing
units
short
in
this
state.
F
B
The
zoning
process
is
going
to
follow
on
to
the
general
plan
and
there
will
be
community
input
into
that
process
after
it.
We
just
don't
make
every
decision
now
in
the
general
plan.
So
there
is,
there
is
a
separate
process
that
will
happen
after
after
that
that
the
city
or
someone
else
will
lead.
F
So
then,
as
resident,
who
wants
to
see
like
sustainability
measures
included
in
buildings
and
the
zoning
is
following
after
the
jan
general
plan
process,
but
the
two
have
to
be
coordinating
and
complementary.
How
do
we.
B
Yeah,
and-
and
you
know,
this
is
one
of
the
challenges
where
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
answer
every
single
make
every
single
decision
now
in
the
general
plan,
but
what
we
found,
that
is,
plans
that
try
to
do
that.
Take
8
to
15
years
to
complete
and
cost
a
lot
more
money.
So
we
end
up
breaking
them
up
into
into
different.
F
B
Allow
possible
absolutely
absolutely
the
general
plan
can
be,
and,
and
that
is
that's
a
common
process
again,
you
know
we
we
we
have
to
operate
at
one
level
of
detail
for
the
general
plan,
there's
a
lot
of
give
and
take
so
that
once
you
sort
of
dive
in
to
the
specifics
of
the
zoning,
you
sometimes
realize
that
you
know,
maybe
that
maybe
we
needed
more
clarity,
or
maybe
this
wasn't
actually
the
land
use
designation
that
we
should
have
in
this
area
or
we
need
to
be
more
refined
and
there's
a
process
that
you
can
do
of
updating
the
general
plan
in
order
to
reflect
that.
F
F
Understand
that,
but
I
I
I
mean,
I
assume
that
that
would
be
the
case
because
that's
the
was
the
case
with
the
county's
general
plan,
but
I'm
thinking
more
in
terms
of
before
the
plan
is
actually
voted
on
and
you
realize
I'm
assuming
you're
doing
the
zoning
before
the
general
plan
is
voted
on.
Or
do
you
not
no.
F
Okay,
so
so,
realistically,
then,
if
you
realize
that
you've
got
an
inconsistency
between
the
zoning
you
want
and
the
general
plan
policies
that
have
been
set,
it
would
require
an
amendment
not
just
a
simple
tweak
that.
D
B
Yeah,
so
so
again,
this
is
where
there's
some
back
and
forth.
So
the
general
plan
has
the
broad
vision,
the
broad
policies,
the
land
use,
design,
the
land
use
designations
which
have
have
density
requirements
and
use
requirements.
The
general
plan
I
mean
the
zoning
after
the
general
plan
is
adopted
within
a
period
of
time.
The
city
needs
to
update
its
zoning
code
and
it
updates
its
own
encode
to
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan
to
implement
the
general
plan.
B
However,
when
you're
updating
the
zoning
after
you
up
after
the
general
plan
is
adopted,
it's,
it
is
quite
often
that
you
get
in
and
you're
in
the
details,
and
you
realize
that
there
might
need
to
be
tweaks
to
the
general
plan
to
better
reflect
the
vision
of
the
community,
and
so
at
that
point
is
when
you
would
go
back
and
do
an
amendment
to
the
general
plan
so
that
the
the
general
plan,
the
zoning,
implements
the
general
plan,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
just
because
it's
in
the
general
plan,
you
can't
you
have
to
do
exactly
that
in
zoning.
B
C
B
It
depends
on
the
jurisdiction,
some
jurisdictions.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
city's
plan
is
at
this
point,
and
you
know
I
think
we're
the
city's
probably
focused
right
now
on
on
getting
through
getting
into
the
general
plan
process
getting
into
that
through
that,
and
then
it
will
start
in
on
the
zoning,
so
it
will
be
after
you
know,
and
it's
not
you
know
it's
not
weeks.
It's
it's
months
years
for.
B
Yep,
I'm
good.
Thank
you
so
hap,
yes,
thanks
rizzan
are
there,
do
other
folks
have
have
questions
rory,
I
see.
I
see
you
waving.
D
I
maybe
a
little
johnny
come
lately.
I
was
going
to
alert
you
that
all
three
alternatives
do
show
mixed-use
development
on
what
used
to
be
called
the
borchard
wetlands.
It's
it's
not
actually
a
wetlands
according
to
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
but
it
does
have
a
ventura
county
flood
control,
floodies
been
over
at
least
part
of
it.
I
just.
I
just
think
there
will
be
a
lot
of
concern
in.
A
D
At
existing
zoning,
I
think
it
could
take
over
100,
maybe
180
units
which
would
have
elicited
a
real
outcry
from
a
lot
of
folks
so
going
beyond.
That
may
may
be
a
little
more
controversial,
but
we
shall
see,
but
in
general
I
do
like
the
rancho
caneo
plan,
both
in
alternatives,
one
two
and
three,
except
for
that
that
one
spot
then
I
had
another
question.
I
think
I
asked
it
at
the
last
gpac
meeting
but
like
a
little
more
clarification
about
identifying
public
park
space.
D
If
we're
concentrating
more
development
in
certain
codes-
and
you
I
think
you
indicated
you-
couldn't
really
do
that
without
creating
an
inverse
condemnation,
but
the
existing
general
plan,
I
think,
shows
proposed
park
sites,
or
at
least
it
did
so.
B
I
can't
speak
to
what
happened
in
1970
in
terms
of
what
california
law
allowed
and
didn't
allow
when
this
was
done.
But
you
know
so
you
know
what
can
be
done
and
I
think
what
we
will
do
is
sort
of
a
conceptual
parks
and
open
space
plan
where
we
have
the
existing
parks
and
then
identify
broad
locations
where
new
parks
could
be
needed.
D
In
order
to
be
good,
next
question
is,
I
assume
the
quimby
act
is
still
in
place.
Would.
B
So
there's
you
know,
michael
ian,
maybe
you
guys
can
jump
in
here.
Do
you
have
just
quimby
or
do
you
have
a
park
impact
fee?
I
think
you
have
a
park
impact
fee
right.
G
D
B
Yeah
you
know:
what's
interesting
is
the
you
know
these
larger
parcels
and-
and
there
are
some
of
the
some
of
them
in
the
community-
you
know
in
the
city
right
now
actually
are
that
opportunity
to
provide
to
provide
park
space
additional
park
space.
So
if
you
look
on
the
you
know,
I
know
some
on
the
the
my
directions
here
on
the
east
side
of
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
There's
the
the
commercial
properties.
Those
are
some
very
large
parcels
there.
B
If
those
were
redeveloped
with
another
use,
there's
certainly
an
opportunity
I
think,
to
to
build
new
park
space
into
that.
You
know
the
same
thing
goes
for
the
thousand,
the
for
the
the
oak
small.
You
know,
that's
a
very
large
parcel.
You
know
that
whole
thing
should
never
be
built,
as
you
know,
just
development
on
the
whole
thing
without
open
space,
you
know
same
thing
with
the
the
the
flood
zone.
What
do
you
call
the
parcel
in
rancho
canejo
new
berry
park.
B
Owners
would
really
object
to
that
yeah.
So,
but
you
know
there's
another
opportunity
at
such
a
large
parcel
to
actually
have
have
a
park
there,
and
I,
I
think
that
we
in
those
larger
ones.
I
think
it's
perfectly
appropriate
that
we
can
add
through
policy
that
those
are
opportunities
if
they
are
redeveloped
to
include
some
park
space
and
not
just
pay
for
parks.
So
and
that's
something
that
you
know,
I
think
we
can
do
in
the
general
plan.
D
B
B
Yep,
let's
see
so
karen,
I
see
your
hand
up
roseanne.
I
see
your
hand
up,
but
tim
I'm
going
to
call
on
you.
You
haven't
you
haven't
and
then
gary
you're
here
you're
waving
too.
Let's
go
tim
to
gary.
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
spreading
around
folks
who
get
a
chance
to
talk.
G
All
right,
hey
thanks
for
picking
me.
Sadly,
I
woke
up
at
three
this
morning
and
I
watched
last
week's
meeting
where
I
saw
you
karen,
so
I
I
feel
like
I've
been
with
karen
a
long
time
this
week.
I
I
watched.
G
Yeah
yeah,
I
didn't
want
to
be-
I
don't
know
if
it's
good
or
bad,
but
I
was
thinking
about
this.
I'm
like
oh.
This
is
not
good,
but
I
have
a
few
different
subjects.
I'm
just
going
to
pick
the
the
first
one
here,
I'm
probably
going
to
change
subjects
just
a
little
bit
and
and
some
of
your
first
of
all,
I
think
you
guys
are
doing
a
really
good
job.
With
your
program,
matt
and
kristen's
been
emailing
me
and
melissa.
You
guys
are
doing
a
great
job.
G
I
saw
a
lot
about
density
bonus
and
I
wasn't
sure
what
that
means
is
that
we
get
money.
If
we
do
density
bonus
or
if
something's
made
for
15
units
per
acre
and
there's
a
density
bonus
option
and
we
can
get
to
30
units.
Is
that
do
we
save
money?
Does
it
what
value
is
that
that
would
add
more
units
on
if
we
didn't
have
to
so
that's
my
first
question
and
then
I'll
just
go
because
I
know
the
hands
are
going
to
go
quick
in
2014
to
2021
the
arena
plan.
G
There
was
192
dwellings
as
part
of
that
I
understand,
there's
2
100
and
something
as
part
of
this
program
for
the
next
eight
years
I
was
wondering:
did
the
city
use
all
192?
Do
we
do
we
make
192
and
if
we
did
what
was
the
mix
of
very
low
low,
moderate
and
high
income
of
those
units?
G
So
am
I
supposed
to
have
very
low
in
with
low
and
moderate
and
high
income
all
in
the
same
building,
and
then
is
there
any
crime
stuff
that
crime
research
that's
been
done
to
to
tell
whether
or
not
those
people
all
can
cohabitate
the
same
building
with
you
know
without
killing
each
other?
So
there
you
go.
Okay,
I'm
gonna.
G
B
There
there
is
not
a
relationship
between
crime
and
density
in
the
way
that
you're
talking
about
a
lot
of
these
units.
A
lot
of
these
units
are
built
not
as
as
standalone
affordable,
but
where
a
percentage
of
the
project
has
an
affordable
component.
Now,
if
you
look
at
the
numbers-
and
I
don't-
I
can
open
it
up
on
my
screen,
but
when
we're
saying
low,
it's
actually
80
percent
of
median
income,
I
mean
you're
talking
teachers
you're
talking
firemen
you're,
talking
people
who
are
like
doing
yard
work.
This
is
not
like.
B
I
really
want
to
encourage
people
to
get
off
of
to
not
have
this
perception
that
density
equals
crime
because
it
like
and
that
affordable,
and
these
are
capital,
a
affordable
units
that
that
it's
a
bad
element
coming
into
the
community.
I
mean
these
are.
If
you
talk
to
the
people
who
work
in
a
lot
of
the
people
who
work
in
the
city
in
the
jobs
that
are
the
you
know,
working
in
the
stores
working
the
teachers
they
can't
afford
to
live
in
the
community,
that's
what
this
housing
is
for,
and
so
I
really.
G
Just
want
people
to
do
it,
I
didn't,
I
didn't
think
density
meant
crime,
so
my
crime
part
was
more
because
I
know
that
in
ventura
there's
a
lot
of
housing
authorities
with
a
lot
of
section,
eight
they're
there
and
crime
is
high
and
there's
a
lot
of
vagrancy
and
it
looks
terrible-
and
you
know
if
I'm
at
the
let's
just
say,
moderate
high-
and
I
make
I
don't
know
100
000
a
year
and
someone's
30,
000
and
getting
subsidized.
G
I
might
have
more
expectation
of
how
my
place
should
be
treated
than
somebody
who
isn't
coming
out
of
pocket
with
what
I
consider
as
much
money.
So
that's
that's
why?
I
don't
think
that
teachers
and
police
or
80
percent
of
medium,
which
is
still
lots
of
money,
is
going
to
cause
the
crime.
I
just
think,
if
there's
a
very
low
level
and
it's
combined
with
teachers
and
police,
maybe
not
police,
but
teachers
and
other
people
that
that
might
be
a
mixed-use
problem.
B
What
you're
talking
about-
and
this
is
a
legacy
of
really
poor
planning
decisions-
is
that
pockets
of
low-income
housing
were
built
and
they
were
all
in
one
group
and
segregated,
and
what
that
does
is
that
creates
cycles
of
poverty
and
cycles
of
crime
and
we've
learned
our
lesson
in
the
planning
field
and
we
want
to
integrate
people
together
from
income
levels
and
that
produces
the
best
results,
because
it's
when
you
concentrate
that's
when
you
get
the
problem,
so
actually
the
mixing
is
far
better
because
if
you
just
put
all
people
who,
who
are
you
know,
don't
have
jobs
or
you
know
in
one
area
like
there's
going
to
be
issues,
but
but
that's
not
the
point
like
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
B
So
mixing
is
absolutely
better.
I'm
going
to
I'm
just
I'm
going
to
try
and
work
backwards
here
with
some
of
these
questions
and
I'm
ian.
I
know
you
want
to
jump
in
for
this.
Do
you
want
to
go
now
and
just
answer
some
of
the
questions
I
see
you're.
You
are
unmuted
yeah.
B
Now
I'll
drink
some
water
talking
too
much
yeah
and
and
by
the
way,
I'm
sorry
you
you
before
you
tim
you,
you
hit
a
nerve
like
you
guys,
I'm
human
too
right
so,
like
the
whole
question
of
of
income
and
density
and
who
can
afford.
Is
you
know
something?
I'm
really
passionate
about
that?
I
believe
everyone
should
have
an
opportunity
to
that
housing.
Good
quality
housing
is
not
something
that
is
just
for
some
people.
It
should
be
for
everybody,
and
so
I
just
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
got
that
point
across.
B
Yep
and
karen,
I
need
some
of
that
wine
that
you're
drinking
there.
H
About
the
affordable
housing
and
having
it
interspersed,
I
mean
having
a
robust
like
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
So,
basically,
as
development
occurs,
those
units
are
incorporated
into
development
so
that
they
are
scattered
throughout
the
city
and
I'll
just
say
that
currently
the
inclusionary
housing
and
ordinance
we
have
with
the
city
does
not
have
very
much
teeth.
So
developers
are
not
necessarily
obligated
to
provide
affordable
housing
and
that's
been
a
pattern
here
in
a
thousand
notes
and
it
it
basically
is
very
characteristic
in
how
our
housing
is
produced.
H
So
back
to
your
question
as
far
as
the
arena
numbers
and
let
me
just
kind
of
clarify
a
couple
things
so
the
last
you
know
cycle
2014
to
2021,
it's
the
fifth
housing
cycle.
The
arena
had
192
units,
so
you're
right
about
that.
But
actually
there
were
63
that
were
carried
over
from
the
previous
eight
year
cycle.
So
there's
a
grand
total
of
255
was
what
we
were
required
to
do
and
that
was
divided
up
into
the
four
different
income
categories.
H
H
you
had
84
that
had
to
be
in
the
very
low
income,
58
and
low
36
in
the
moderate
income
and
77
and
above
moderate
and
every
year
we
have
to
report
to
the
state
office
of
planning,
research
and
housing,
community
development
and
that's
a
requirement
as
far
as
keeping
our
housing
element
up
and
certified,
but-
and
I
just
actually
ended
up
crunching
the
numbers,
because
every
year
we
go
to
the
council
to
basically
show
them
where
we're
at
in
producing
units.
H
So
we've
only
over
the
past
eight
years,
we've
there's
been
705
units,
so
that's
well
above
the
255..
H
Only
two
low-income
units
have
been
built
in
the
last
eight
years
at
136
moderate.
So
that's
378
percent
of
the
requirement.
If
you
want
to
play
with
numbers
sure,
and
then
you
have
536
at
the
above
moderate,
so
almost
700
more
so
basically
it's
very
market
driven
and
there's
no
teeth
as
far
as
getting
that
balance
of
affordability
into
the
project.
So
I
think
that
kind
of
answers,
your
question
as
far
as
where
that
so
I
mean
all
of
these
are
being
built
by
private
development,
and
so
yes.
G
Yeah,
I
know
because
I
have
I
have
two
kids
one's
28
and
one's
23.
and
they
moved
to
simi
valley,
so
they
can
afford
to
rent
a
place
out
there,
but
there's
no
parking
there's
so
many
people
that
live
there.
Everybody's
got
two
cars
and
it's
1.5
spaces
per
or
one
space
per
se,
half
a
guest-
and
you
know
they
have
to
park
a
half
a
mile
away
in
a
parking
mall
to
walk
up
unless
they
get
home
by
4
45.
G
You
know
so
you
know
I'm
looking
at
the
density,
and
that
doesn't
mean
you
know,
and
I
know
in
a
lot
of
your
land
uses.
I
was
looking
specifically
for
high
use,
density
or
medium
versus
low
and
anywhere
that,
at
least
in
my
interpretation
I
saw
high
density.
I
thought
okay
well,
there's
going
to
be
traffic
and
parking
issues
with
anywhere
around
here,
because
we
already
have
traffic
issues,
especially
as
you
get
anywhere
north
of
the
north
of
the
23.
G
G
Well,
there's
also
inner
city,
you
know
to
go
across
town
with
the
traffic
lights.
It
takes
20
minutes
to
go
five
miles.
B
So
can
I
can
I
I
was
gonna
say
maybe
there's
other
folks
and
we've
we've
done
a
couple
of
deep
dives
gary.
I
know
you
had
a
a
question
as
well
did
tim.
Did
I
miss
any
of
your
questions.
G
B
H
H
I
could
jump
in
just
quickly
one
thing
to
think
about
in
terms
of
density,
and
I
think
you
kind
of
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
but
it's
not
being
talked
about
is
the
overcrowding
I
mean
the
the
it's,
the
lack
of
supply
of
housing.
So
you
have
these
housing
developments
that
are
built
sure
they're,
denser
than
what
we're
used
to
seeing,
however,
because
of
the
cost
of
rent
and
the
number
of
people
that
need
to
cover
that
rent,
you're
kind
of
you're
ending
up
into
an
overcrowding
situation,
even
in
newer
development.
So
that's.
H
B
And
kim
think
about,
if
there's
anything,
if
we
missed
any
of
your
questions,
you
want
to
follow
up.
Let
us
know,
but
I
let's,
let's
move
to
gary.
D
First
time
sitting
in
but
anyway
I
was
looking
at
the
article
in
the
acorn
and
it
just
said
that
theo
has
to
make
room
for
an
additional
2
600
residential
units
recovering
21
to
29..
D
G
D
B
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
I'll
start
answering
so
that
there's
and-
and
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
misconception
of
what's
going
on
so
let
me
see
if
I
can,
I
can
clarify
so
what
the
state
says
is
not
that
the
city
needs
to
build
2,
600
new
housing
units
in
this
time
period.
What
the
state
is
saying
is
that
you
need
to
provide
the
space
to
be
for
private
developers
to
be
able
to
build
that
number
of
units.
B
Okay,
so
there's
no
guarantee
that
it's
going
to
happen
and
in
fact
many
many
many
times
jurisdictions
do
not
meet
the
housing
numbers
that
are
identified
through
the
arena
process
and
that's
what
ian
was
talking
about.
Sometimes
you
do.
Sometimes
you
don't,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
times
it
is.
It
is
essentially
not
a
requirement
to
build.
It
is
a
requirement
to
provide
enough
space
so
that
the
market
can
build
the
housing
that's
needed.
G
B
It's
a
capacity
question
I
mean
you
know
what
you
know
gary
gary.
What
you're,
what
you're
hitting
on
is
is
absolutely
correct,
which
is
that,
even
if,
if
we
all
create
a
plan
that
has
a
capacity,
it
still
requires
people
to
come
in
and
build
and
there's
we
can't
force
someone
to
sell
their
property
we
and
and
to
someone
else
who
wants
to
build.
We
can't
force
someone
to
build
their
property.
The
state
does
not
have
redevelop,
I
mean
the
city
does
not
have
redevelopment
authority,
the
state
doesn't
have
that
anymore.
B
So
it
really
is
up
to
the
decisions
of
individuals
about
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
property,
and
you
know
what
we
found
is
that,
even
even
where
the
parcels
are
way
under
what
their
potential
maximum
is,
they
don't
get
redeveloped,
because
if
someone
has
a
shopping
center
and
they've
had
the
shopping
center
in
the
family
for
years
and
they're
they're,
bringing
in
lots
of
money
or
enough
money
to
be
able
to
retire
and
live
off
of
that.
Why
would
they
redevelop?
And
so
that's
that's
the
challenge.
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's
again
that
that's
a
challenge.
Now
there
is
a
piece
in
ian.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
about
this
of
carry
over
from
one
year
to
the
next.
If
units
aren't
built,
this
is
where
we
get
into
a
lot
of
really
specific
housing
policy.
So
you
know
if
you
want
to
just
touch
on
it
quickly,.
H
H
Of
what
we
don't
meet
well,
I
think
it's
more
of
a
factor.
If
we
don't
get
the
housing
element
certified
in
time,
then
you
that
gets
added
on
to
your
arena.
So
that's
in
addition
to
the
2615
units
that
are
for
this
upcoming
cycle.
So
that's
all
I
really
have
to
say
about
that,
but
you
know
again
that
the
2600
unit
that
that's
for
for
sale
and
for
rent
units,
so
it's
not-
you
know.
How
are
these
units
going
to
be
marketed
and
sold.
B
A
Hi
I
have
so
I
wanted
to
pull
back
away
from
some
of
the
details.
You
were
saying
that
you
think
that
we
need
to
think
of
the
vision
rather
than
the
details.
A
B
That's
that's
a
good!
That's
yeah!
That's
a
that's
a
really
good
question,
so
I'm
sure
you
all
have
great
ideas
for
different
areas
of
the
city,
things
that
you
know
no
one
has
mentioned
before
in
the
process.
So
I
think
that
what
you
should
do
is
is
put
a
pin
and
and
describe
the
area
that
you're
talking
about,
and
I
would
also
say
that
if
you
feel
like
that,
you
need
to
you
know
print
out
a
map
and
and
draw
on
it
and
send
it
off.
B
You
can
email
that
to
the
city,
so
we'll
get
that
as
well.
Melissa
can
the-
and
I
can't
remember
this-
I
apologize-
do
we
have
polygons
as
a
drawing
tool
on
there?
Is
it
just
pins.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
I
would,
I
would
say,
put
a
pin,
put
a
pin
in
it
and
describe
what
it
is,
or
or
print
the
map
out
like
print
a
page
of
the
book
and
and
write
it
scan
it
and
send
it
through
the
through
the
email
to
the
cd
and
and
we'll
get
that
and
we'll
look
at
that
as
well.
So
yeah,
we
really
encourage
you
if
you
have,
if
you
have
ideas,
if
you've
seen
something
in
another
community
you're
like
wow,
this
would
look
great
here.
B
Whatever
it
is,
tell
us
what
it
is
we
we
always
love.
Seeing
other
examples
is
there
anything
particular
that
you
that
you
want
to
share
with
the
group.
A
Well,
for
instance,
I
just
I
would
like
to
not
have
very
high
buildings,
and
so
I
would
want
to
say
something
like
the
the
height
limit
should
be,
for
instance,
50
stories,
but
including.
D
B
B
A
Just
throughout
the
whole
city,
I
would
rather
not
have
you
know
taller
than
50
feet.
I
don't
want
to
go
to
each
section
and
put
that
I
feel
like
that
would
be
spamming.
Your
your
message.
B
Yeah
yeah,
no,
actually,
thank
you.
I
I
would
just
you
know
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
options
you
know
go
to.
You
know
50
feet
in
a
lot
of
them,
so
you
can
identify
those.
If
that's
your
preference
in
a
lot
of
places.
You
know
I
will
say
that
we,
we
thought
carefully
about
the
the
difference
and-
and
I
haven't
talked
about
this-
so
I'm.
B
If,
if
you
can
indulge
me
for
a
second,
you
know,
we
thought
a
lot
about
the
50
foot,
height
limit
and
the
difference
between
50
feet
and
58
feet
and
what
that
would
produce
and
the
reason
that
you
know
you
can
still
do
a
mixed
use
for
story,
building
or
residential
building
a
standalone
residential
building
in
50
feet.
What
you
get
with
58
feet.
B
Is
you
get
the
ability
to
have
a
better
ground
floor,
so
you
can
have
better
retail
space
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
you
get
the
opportunity
for
variation
in
height
in
the
the
height
of
the
building,
so
that
you
don't
actually
just
have
a
big
box,
and
so
that
was
why
the
that
was
why
that
shift
to
58
feet
happened
to
the
mixed
use
in
the
mixed
use
from
mixed-use
low
to
mixed-use
medium,
and
it
was
to
actually
what
we
think
as
professionals
to
actually
be
able
to
enable
you
all
to
have
better
buildings
and
more
variety
rather
than
boxes.
B
So
you
know
you
can
do
without
what
you
will
you
can
you
can
have
your
you
know
and
I'm
not
saying
you're
wrong.
I'm
not
saying
the
opinions
wrong.
I'm
just
saying
like
that's
what
that's
what
we
did
and
that's
what
we
thought
about
with
that
that
if
you
do
four
stories
in
50
feet,
you
can
do
it.
If
you
do
four
stories
and
58
feet,
you
get
a
much
better.
The
options
of
a
much
better
building.
A
B
Yeah,
that's
something
that
that
is
something
we
actually
talked.
We
we
did
talk
internally
and
I
think
we
still
need
to
discuss
it
is.
It
is
more
of
a
zoning
question,
but
it
is
something
that
can
be
in
the
general
plan,
which
is
that
you
know.
Could
we
you
know?
Are
there
changes
to
the
definitions
of
things
that
would
still
allow
for
those
better
buildings
and
not
because
you
know,
I
hear
your
point
of
view,
which
is
if
it's
58
feet
average.
B
You
know
you
could
have
you
know
75
or
80
feet
in
one
spot
and
you
know
much
lower
in
another
right
to
get
to
that
average
and-
and
I
you
know
I
I
certainly
you
know-
would
share
the
concern
about
that
wide
variation
with
that.
So
you
know
there
might
be.
I
think
there
are
ways
that
we
could
get
around
that
to
have
variation,
but
not
extreme
variation,
which
is
maybe
what
you're
concerned
about
mostly.
A
Yeah
so,
and
then
I'll
just
mention
too
and
silvana,
I'm
sure
you've
already
taken
the
survey,
but
for
other
folks
who
haven't,
we
have
a
survey
open
right
now.
That
asks
a
lot
of
these
specific
questions
and
also
leaves
room
for
you
to
fill
in
comments
not
just
related
to
each
of
the
areas
we're
talking
about,
but
overall
city-wide.
A
B
And
and
everyone
this
is
melissa
if
you
haven't,
met
her
who's
with
raymond
associates
and
and
also
born
and
raised
in
thousand
oaks.
A
B
Okay,
let's
see
so
is
anyone
who
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
speak
karen,
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
you
and
roseanne.
I
see
your
hands
up,
I'm
not
I'm
not
ignoring.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
a
chance
to
speak
here.
Who
is
there?
Anyone
who
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
weigh
in
to
ask
questions
to
share
their
ideas
that
you
would
like
to
to
do
that.
B
If
you're
just
here
to
listen,
that's
perfectly
fine,
too
okay,
actually
before
we
do
that
mary,
did
you
get
information
on
how
to
put
pins
on
maps
and
how
to
use
the
maps?
No
okay?
So
if
we
can
do
that,
maybe
if
you
would
like
to
do
that,
we
can,
if
you
want
to
take
a
minute
now
with
melissa,
you
guys
can
go
off
into
unless
other
people
want
to
see
it.
B
But
you
can
go
off
into
a
breakout
room
and
she
can
walk
you
through
how
to
do
that
and
and
help
out
with
that.
F
It's
okay,
I
don't
think
that's
that's
going
to
be
a
good
use
of
my
time.
My
biggest
concern
with
this
entire
process
is
how
few
of
us
have
been
involved.
I
see
20
people
on
here
tonight
that
just
amazes
me.
You
know,
aside
from
the
folks
who
are
have
jobs
and
and
joined
us,
so
I
wish
you
I
wish
that
there
were
more
people
involved
and
more
voices
in
this
process.
F
I'll
go
to
the
survey
monkey
and
you
know
the
idea
to
me
when
I
hear
you
say:
oh,
let's
put
a
park
on
that
land.
That's
most
that's
under
water.
Whenever
it
rains
that's
up
beside
the
freeway,
please
don't,
let's
put
any
parks
up
against
the
freeway.
Again
I
mean
that's
just
that
is
not
the
kind
of
place
that
we
want
our
kids
playing
right
next
to
the
freeway,
and
I
guess
that's
my
biggest
concern
is
that
all
of
this
proposed
the
one
two
and
three
plans
are
along
the
101.
B
Yeah
I
mean
again
that
was
what
evolved
through
the
process
that
that
we
went
through,
but
you
know,
and
it's
some
of
it
is
much
further
away.
Some
of
it
is
right
against
it,
but
you
know
from
an
air
quality
perspective.
You
know
yeah
there.
There
are
definitely
concerns
about
the
about
air
quality
flowing
off
of
off
the
freeway
from
a
public
health
perspective.
A
And
if
I
can
just
respond
to
the
comment
about
wanting
more
folks
to
be
involved,
we
totally
agree
with
you.
We
wish
that
every
single
resident
in
the
city
would
participate
in
our
meetings,
but
I
do
want
to
share
that.
We
had
over
400
folks
register
for
a
meeting
that
was
two
weeks
ago,
which
was
fantastic
and
of
the
folks
that
did
attend
the
meeting.
Nearly
fifty
percent.
A
That
was
the
first
time
they've
been
involved,
so
they
were
kind
of
newcomers
to
the
process
which
it
is
halfway
through,
but
we
were
still
so
excited
to
have
all
those
new
faces
join
us
and
get
that
exposure
about
the
plan
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
I
think,
we've
had
several
hundred.
If
not
thousands
different
folks
engage
in
the
process,
we've
done.
Thousands
yeah
we've
done
stakeholder
interviews
with
different
business
groups.
Throughout
the
community,
we've
met
with
high
school
students.
We've
met
with
spanish
speakers.
A
We've
had
pop-up
workshops
at
the
farmer's
market,
the
oaks
mall.
I
can't
even
think
of
all
the
other
places
that
there
were
several
we've
done:
two
community-wide
workshops
and
we're
always
looking
up
at
12
gpac
meetings
or
11
dupac
meetings,
where
we've
had,
in
addition
to
our
22
person.
Deepak
we've
had
upwards
of
20
or
30
members
of
the
community
join
us,
but
we're
always
looking
forward.
D
D
Question
was
there:
was
it
already
anything
done
differently
to
get
the
word
out,
because
I
guess
that's
where
my
frustration
comes
is
just
even
knowing
about
this.
D
I've
lived
in
the
area
for
about
five
years,
and
you
know
you
kind
of
talk
to
neighbors
here
and
there
about
the
the
area
and
the
land,
and
then
you
see
it
flood
and
then
you
know,
there's
all
these
kind
of
little
ideas
or
theories,
but
no
one
really
knows,
and
you
know
I
didn't
really
know
any
any
of
this
was
going
down
until
I
got
a
flyer
left
on
my
door
and
I
was
very
grateful,
I'm
just
assuming
maybe
a
neighbor
notified
us.
D
So
I
was
just
curious
how
you
may
have
gotten
the
word
out
in
the
past
when
you
had
a
lot
of
participation
compared
to
maybe
now
and
what
sort
of
obligation
the
city
has
to
to
getting
that
out.
So
that's
my
first
question.
My
second
one
is:
is
it
is
this
city
city-owned
land,
the
border
wetlands,
or
is
that
private,
privately
owned
land.
B
Been
doing
a
lot
of
the
tracking
of
some
of
the
engagement
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
just
just
to
be
clear.
I
want
to
make
sure
we
we're
answering
some
technical
questions.
I
think
we
can
answer
this
about
how
we've
engaged
over
the
last
year
and
a
half,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
still
we're
getting
to
the
the
map
technical
questions
as
well.
Kristin,
you
want
to
jump
in.
A
I
mean
melissa
covered
a
lot
of
it.
I
think
one,
some
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
that
we
go
above
and
beyond
that
you
would
normally
see
the
city.
Do
we've
taken
out
full
page
ads,
full
page,
half
page
ads
in
acorn
the
vp
store
we've
had
ads
running
for
the
last
two
months
in
the
acorn,
with
the
exception
of
the
one
that
they
forgot
to
post,
so
they
did
all
of
their
social
media.
For
us,
we've
started
our
own
instagram.
Twitter
accounts,
tick,
tock
account
for
kids.
A
Let's
see
we
sent
out
flyers
through
all
the
water
bills,
there's
33
000,
plus
of
those
we've
sent
out.
I
have
personally
emailed
all
of
the
homeowners
associations
in
the
city.
Unfortunately,
the
problem
with
that
is,
if
your
homeowners
association,
if
your
managers
do
not
forward
that
information
on
to
you,
it
makes
it
hard
for
me
to
get
to
you.
It
also
depends
on
if
your
homeowners
associations
don't
update
the
city-
and
let
us
know
if
you
have
a
president
who's
changed,
you
know
and
has
a
different
contact
information.
A
Hopefully
I'm
not
sending
this
out
into
un
updated
information.
What
else
has
been
done
differently
normally
for
city
projects?
The
city
would
only
let's
say
if
it
was
a
development
project,
they
would
only
notify
people
within
a
couple
hundred
feet
and
that's
about
it.
So
you
probably
don't
hear
about
a
lot
of
information,
but
we're
really
just
trying
to
come
up
with
any
sort
of
outreach
we
can
possibly
do.
We
can
deliver
packets
to
all
the
homebound
communities.
A
I've
delivered
flyers
to
apartment
complexes
in
the
city,
begging,
apartment
managers
to
pass
them
around.
I'm
legally
not
allowed
to
do
cold.
Calls
and
I'm
also
not
allowed
to
drop
off
wires.
I
can
only
bring
them
to
management
offices,
I'm
just
kind
of
throwing
off
this
stuff
off
the
top
of
my
head
right
now.
So
I'm
sure
I'm
going
to
miss
some
things,
but.
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's
it
you
know
again.
I
just
you
know
if
a
couple
of
things,
so
one
is
the
the
city
and
the
team
have
done
a
tremendous
amount
to
inform
people.
We
can't
force
people
to
engage,
but
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
inform
people
about
the
process.
B
Can
we
always
can
we
do
better?
We
can
always
do
better
in
all
of
this.
We
all
know
that
we,
we
always
want
more
people
to
participate.
It
creates
a
more
robust
conversation
about
this,
and-
and
this
is
really
it
can
be-
a
really
exciting
process
for
folks-
and
it's
very
important
so
and
then.
Lastly,
if
you,
if,
since
you
all,
are
here,
if
you
haven't
been
here,
please
forward
the
information
to
your
friends
to
your
neighbors
make
sure
they
know
about
this.
B
C
B
C
B
C
Thank
you
chris.
I
will
answer
your
question.
I
won't
call
the
person
out,
but
the
person
that
owns
that
lot
in
orchard
and
newberry
park
is
actually
on
this
call,
so
I
actually
had
some
a
couple
questions.
First
of
all,
this
is
kind
of
off
the
grid
here,
but
when
you
talk
about
notifying
people-
and
maybe
this
is
a
really
weird
question-
to
ask-
I'm
correct
and
understanding-
we
cannot
put
flyers
in
people's
mailboxes
as
private
citizens.
Correct.
A
C
Okay,
but
now
my
main
question
is
going
back
to
senate
bill
330
and
the
requirement
that
cities
cannot
object
to
plans
and
proposals
without
objective
standards.
Are
those
objective
standards
determined
during
the
zoning?
For
instance,
I
heard
somebody
mention
things
like
parking
issues.
Would
not
those
objectives
should
not
parking,
be
part
of
those
objective
standards
that
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
two
parking
spaces
per
unit
or
things
like
you
know
we're
talking.
This
is
all
conceptual,
so
we're
not
getting
into
the
reads
about
the
infrastructure.
C
That's
going
to
be
needed
and
it
and
that's
going
to
the
city
is
going
to
look
at
that
when
they
look
at
an
individual
plan
and
say
well,
if
you're
going
to
do
this
you're
going
to
need
to
widen
the
street
and
mr
developer,
I
want
you
to
pay
50
percent
of
the
costs
of
widening
the
street.
C
I
understand
that
can't
be
put
in
the
zoning,
but
would
things
would
it
be
reasonable
to
put
in
the
zoning
things
such
as
this
area
needs
to
be
a
gated
community
or
the
streets
within
this
community
need
to
be
configured
in
such
a
way
to
limit
the
amount
of
thoroughfare
traffic?
That
would
be
so
going
back
to
this.
You
know
what
we're
talking
about.
You
know.
We
don't
want
that
area
to
be
a
a
straight
away
cut
through
from
border
to
wendy.
So
how
would
you
do
that?
C
Well,
you
do
it
by
making
a
gated
community
or
you
do
it
by
developing
the
community
in
such
a
way
where
you
had
cul-de-sacs
and
others
on
the
street
would
be
laid
out
in
such
a
way
that
it
wouldn't
be
convenient
to
use
it
as
a
thoroughfare.
So,
at
what
point
to
me,
this
would
be
considered
objective
standards
in
the
you
know
that
the
city
would
ask
the
developer
to
do
so.
When
would
the
city
actually
put
these
requirements
in
place
and
if
they
didn't,
would
they
then
be
hogtied
to
not
approve?
B
Good
question,
so
just
just
really
quickly
so
there
are,
there
are
going
to
be,
I
think,
in
in
the
general
plan,
there
are
going
to
be
areas
of
the
city
where
we're
going
to
know
more
about
where
we're
going
to
have
developed
ideas
on
that
we
can
put
additional
policies
in
so
you
know
sometimes
we'll
like,
for
example,
like
the
oaks
mall,
we
may
ultimately
have
a
more
focused.
B
We
have
a
more
focused
section
on
that,
where
we
have
a
goal
and
policies
about
what
should
happen
at
the
oaks
mall
and
that
will
then
guide
zoning.
So
you
know,
I
think
you
know
questions
like
you're
the
the
property
you're
you're
talking
about
you
know,
I
think
it's
possible
for
the
general
plan
to
include
some
policies
about
connectivity
buffers.
B
You
know,
residential.
You
know
transitions
of
residential,
so
it's
possible
to
include
language
about
that
in
the
general
plan
that
then
gets
implemented
through
the
through
the
zoning.
It's
also
for
some
bigger
parcels.
It's
not
uncommon,
to
require
a
master
planning
process
for
an
area
that
would
allow
the
sort
of
a
further
refined
discussion
about
specific
areas.
You
still
need
to
set
the
high
level
in
the
general
plan
about
what
the
vision
is
overall,
but
then
you
know
certain
areas
you
can
require
a
specific
plan
or
a
master
plan
process.
B
In
order
to
dive
into
that
detail.
Understanding
that
you
know
not
every
area
is
going
to
be
a
a
you
know:
rectangular
easy
to
build.
One
acre
parcel
that
you
don't
really
need
to
do
that
on
there's
unique
parcels
and
the
one
you're
referring
to
is
a
unique
parcel.
So
it
you
know,
that's
a
that's
a
thought,
that's
something
we
certainly
kicked
around
about
how
we
make
sure
that,
on
specific
parts
of
specific
areas,
we're
providing
that
guidance
that
we
really
need
to
have
to
make
sure
the
vision
is
implemented.
C
C
Why,
and-
and
I
think
somebody
mentioned-
I
forget-
who
it
was-
but
that
we
don't
have
the
teeth
that
we
need?
Why
can
that
not
be
put
in
that
this
is
going
to
be
mixed
use,
housing
of
which
20
has
to
be?
Why
can
that
not
be
put
into
the
zoning
so
that
that
so
that
the
developers
are
are
bound
by
that
from
day
one.
C
Well,
not
overall
in
the
city,
but
with
the
you
know,
individual
individual
zoning
areas
if
they
say
that
this
is
going
to
be
mixed
use,
you
know
medium
density,
mixed
use,
which
you
know
I
don't
know
15
to
30
units
per
acre.
I
forget
what
the
numbers
are,
but
why?
Why
can't
it
not
be
in
there
that
the
developers
got
to
put
something
in
where
it's
it's
going
to
meet
these?
You
know
reasonable
arena
numbers,
so
I
mean
it's
to
me.
C
B
Yeah
and
ian
had
mentioned
this
before
the
the
best
way
to
do
it,
the
way
that
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
have
done.
This
is
to
to
have
a
very
strong
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
so
that
any
development
that
is
built
has
a
certain
percentage
of
affordable
units,
regardless
of
where
it
is.
You
know,
even
regardless
of
the
density
of
of
what
it
is,
that
there's
a
series.
B
So
there
is
an
ian
you
might
need
to
explain
this.
There
is
an
ordinance
on
the
books,
but
it
it
isn't
as
strong
as
it
could
be.
Does
that
describe
that?
Well
enough.
H
Yeah,
so
it's
it's
applicable
to
for
sale
projects.
Only,
so
apartments
are
not
required
to
provide
any
affordability
if
they're
allowed
by
wright,
but
right
now
it
is.
The
only
requirement
is
a
10
of
the
units
have
to
be
moderate.
H
H
Yes,
yes,
so
so
in
any
case,
so
right
now,
there's
there's
not
much.
You
know,
there's
not
really
a
requirement
for
that.
Now.
C
City,
it's
smoke
and
mirrors
we're
talking
about
all
this
and
when
it
really
comes
down
to
it,
it's
smoke
and
mirrors
and
we're
not
we're
we're
talking
about
trying
to
provide
betterment
for
the
community
and
betterment
for
the
state
and
we're
just
putting
plans
together
and
sent
them
to
sacramento.
Well,.
B
So
karen
I'd
recommend
so
so
listen,
I
would
say
if
you're,
if
this
is
something
the
requirement
for
affordable
housing,
is
something
that
you're
passionate
about.
I
would
recommend
it.
We
are.
It
is
part
of
the
conversation
that
we
have
had
internally
again,
I'm
sort
of
like
behind
the
curtains
here
in
these
meetings.
I
would
recommend
that
that
you,
you
make
sure
that
the
that
your
representatives
in
the
in
the
city
know
that
this
is
something
that
you
want
and
they're
called
inclusionary
housing
ordinances.
B
G
F
Okay,
so
I
have
two
questions
one
I
wanted
to
piggyback
on
the
affordable
housing
issue.
I
know
that
the
I
guess
you
call
them.
Rhino
numbers
are
based
on
medium
income
in
the
community
and
I'm
wondering
the
very
lowest
level.
What
does
that
realistically?
F
Allow
for
somebody,
who's
making
say
a
15
minimum
wage,
which
would
be
like
our
our
kids,
who
are
just
getting
started
in
life
and
are
working
at
a
restaurant
to
be
able
to
afford
housing
because,
based
on
the
numbers
I've
seen,
I
don't
think
it
does
and
that's
a
big
concern
to
me
and
I
think
it's
a
big
concern
for
our
community
who
would
like
our
kids
to
be
able
to
live
here.
So
how
do
we
address
that.
B
That's
a
great
question,
you
know
give
me
a
a
minute
and
let
you
know
we
can
move
on
to
a
question.
Let
me
come
back
to
that
because
I
think
I
have
the
numbers
about
what
the
income
is
and
what
that
would
take.
But
you
know
if,
if
we
just
sort
of
you,
you
know
you
think
about
it.
If
you're
making
15
an
hour,
your
annual
salary
is
30
000
a
year
just
in
that.
So
that
would
be.
B
But
one
of
the
ways
that
you
get
to
that
is
by
having
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
have
require
that
some
are
at
very
low
incomes.
B
Now
you
know,
typically,
if
you're
a
you
know,
22
year
old,
you're,
just
graduating
from
college,
you,
you
tend
not
to
live
alone
in
a
one
bedroom
apartment.
You
know
you
have
roommates
for
a
while.
I
I
certainly
did
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
us.
A
lot
of
us
did
right
so
that
it's
maybe
two
or
three
people,
so
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
affordable.
B
But
but
you
know
the
the
challenge
is
that
the
for
those
who
are
making
minimum
wage
or
or
barely
over
minimum
wage,
it's
very
difficult
to
afford
a
place
to
live,
and
it's
a
very
big
challenge
and
there's
a
big
supply
and
demand,
which
is
why
the
state
has
pushed
for
more
housing
in
the
state
to
have
communities
build
more
housing
to
in
the
long
term,
address
supply
and
demand.
F
B
B
All
right,
it's
writing
for
some,
but
but
not,
but
not
all
of
it.
No
okay,
phil.
F
To
what
you're,
referring
to
as
the
orchard
wetlands
and
I've
heard
about
the
parcel,
I
don't
know
exactly
where
it
is
except,
I
know
it's
in
the
rancho
canejo
area.
Obviously,
one
of
the
reasons
we're
talking
about
building
out
areas
like
thousands
and
other
areas
is
because
we
want
to
avoid
building
in
wildfire
zones
and
open
space
zones.
B
My
so
if,
if
there
is
a
flood
zone,
there
are
requirements,
you
know
I
I
haven't
dug
too
deep
into
that
parcel
itself,
but
but
certainly
if
you
know,
if
it's
all
in
a
flood
zone
and
it's
underwater,
you
know
those
are
some
of
the
things
that,
like
just
like
a
steep
slope
that
you
you
can't
build
in
certain
areas.
My
understanding
is
that,
and
let's
see,
michael,
maybe
you
know
a
little
bit
more
about
this
parcel.
But
it
you
know
it's
not.
B
G
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
not
intimately
familiar
with
all
the
details
of
that
property.
I
know
there
are
portions
of
it
that
are
in
a
flood
plain,
but
I
know
there's
portions
of
the
single-family
neighborhood
to
the
west
that
are
also
in
a
flood
plain
and
because
the
the
floor
level
of
the
homes
was
raised
out
of
the
flood
level.
They
were
allowed
to
be
built.
G
So
it's
always
possible
to
engineer
around
things
like
that
or
like
matt
said:
if
a
portion
of
the
property
is
in
a
flood
plain,
you
could
still
potentially
develop
other
parts
of
the
property
and
then
I'll
just
make
a
general
comment
too.
G
This
one
is,
you
know,
because
it's
such
a
large
property,
it
does,
you
know,
stand
out
on
the
map,
but
there's
other
properties
in
the
city
that
have
issues
like
steep
slopes
or
heritage
trees,
or
things
like
that
that
are
gonna.
You
know
in
some
way
or
another
constrain
how
those
properties
can
be
developed,
but
we
don't
get
into
that
level
of
detail
on
the
general
plan
because
we
were
staying
at
the
at
the
broader
policy
level.
B
F
G
Yeah
I
mean
the
the
the
property
would
still
be
subject
to
whatever
zoning
is
in
place,
we're
also
looking
at.
Potentially,
we
haven't
fleshed
out
the
details
yet,
but
we
are
looking
at
putting
a
policy
in
the
general
plan
that
says
that
any
properties
over
a
certain
size
would
have
to
be
subject
to
a
specific
plan,
which
would
then
allow
for
a
further
level
of
review,
whether
it
would
be
the
planning,
commission
or
city
council.
Specifically,
you
know
we
haven't
gotten
that
far.
G
You
know
down
the
line,
yet
there
there
are
provisions,
as
we
discussed
in
state
law,
that
once
you
allow
for
the
possibility
of
residential
on
a
site
that
does
you
know,
change
how
that
property
can
be
considered
as
far
as
the
discretionary
ability
of
the
city
to
control
what
gets
built
on
the
site,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
project
would
not
still
be
subject
to
zoning
requirements
and
subdivision
requirements,
and
and
any
other
standards
like
that,
that
the
city
would
impose
through
the
selling.
B
And
public
review
process,
so
just
because
it's
housing,
it
doesn't
mean
it
doesn't
mean,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
and
because
I
think
you
you
hinted
at
this-
or
at
least
I
I
heard
this-
and
maybe
you
didn't
mean
it,
but
there's
still
a
public
review
process
for
residential
projects,
even
with
sb
330.,
there's
still
a
whole
process
that
you
have
to
go
through
in
order
for
a
project
to
be
approved.
It
doesn't
take
that
away
what
it
does
is
it.
B
It
stops
the
essentially
the
arbitrary
nature
that
use
that
was
happening
with
development
projects,
and
I
can
tell
you
lots
of
stories
of
city
council
meetings
and
other
jurisdictions
where
the
project
came
back
five,
six
seven
times
and
the
city
council,
even
though
it
met
every
zoning
standard
that
was
in
there.
The
city
council
was
like
nah.
I
just
kind
of
don't
want
it.
Can
you
change
the
windows
a
little
bit
right?
So
it
takes
that
part
away,
but
it
doesn't
take
away
the
the
fact
that
there
still
needs
to
be
a
public
process
around.
B
These
ended
a
public
decision-making
process
around
a
lot
of
these
projects.
F
And
where
does
what
body
of
government
does
that
public
review
process
happen
at
then?
Is
that
the.
G
City
council
is
the
one
who's
going
to
adopt
the
zoning
ordinance
that
controls.
You
know
what
process
development
has
to
go
through,
so
ultimately
they
will
decide
at
what
level
they
they
want
to
review.
The
limitation
under
sp
330
is
that
a
project
can't
be
forced
to
go
through
more
than
five
public
meetings,
so
that
would
be
the
limitation
to
address
the
the
issue
that
matt
brought
up
about.
You
know
other
councils
that
may
bring
a
project
back
multiple
times,
so
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that.
B
Okay
and
then
just
really
quickly
melissa.
Thank
you
for
sending
the
information
on
on
income
from
2019,
just
as
an
example,
if
you
are
one
a
one-person
household,
your
income
for
very
low
income,
it's
36
000
a
year.
So
you
know
that's
that's
about
16
17
an
hour
that
you
would.
You
would
essentially
qualify
for
for
very
low
income.
You
know
if
you're,
a
four-person
household
median
income
is
97
000
in
the
in
the
county,
and
this
is
again.
B
This
is
based
on
ami
area
median
income,
which
is
the
county,
and
so
that's
what
the
standard
the
standard
is
there
so
and
so
there's
a
chart
that
was
from
the.
I
think
it
was
the
february
of
2020
presentation.
Melissa,
helped
me
out
here
at
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
meeting
that
went
over
this.
A
And
I
can
send
a
link
out
to
folks
if
you're
curious,
we
have
all
of
our
general
plan
advisory
committee
meeting
presentations
on
the
project
website
and
they
are,
for
the
most
part,
topic
specific.
So
if
you
were
curious
more
about,
for
example,
housing,
you
could
look
at
the
presentation
as
well
as
the
meeting
notes.
B
Yep
so
that
was
december
present
that's
december
12
2019
on
the
gpac,
so
melissa.
Why
don't
you
send
that
link
out
to
the
to
the
group
in
the
chat?
Okay,
phil
at
long
last,
you've
been
patient.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you.
I
have
questions.
The
first
is
a
map
related
question.
I
looked
at
your
february
second
presentation
online
and
I
noticed
the
composite
map
from
the
gpac
meeting
in
the
first
few
slides
where
you
talked
about
the
public
had
input
and
it
put
stickers
on
the
map,
and
you
guys
used
that
to
develop
the
option
plans.
E
A
I
just
wanted
okay,
so
I
just
want
to
jump
in
really
quick,
because
I
sent
you
the
composite
map
earlier
today.
The
green
sticker
actually
stands
for
town
square
and
the
yellow
stickers
standard
for
there's
one
on
there
for
mixed
use,
multi-family,
home
and
single
family
home.
So
I'm
not.
I
wasn't
paying
attention
early,
so
I
might
have
missed
where
matt
said,
open
state.
A
B
I
I'm
I'm
zooming
in
on
this
now
actually
and
that
composite
map.
This
was
from
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
that
parcel
had
town
square
single-family,
multi-family
and
mixed
use
applied
to
that.
So.
E
A
combination
of
uses
it
was
kind
of
hard
to
see
online,
but
thank
you
kristen,
okay,
so
yeah.
I
saw
that
green
and
I
was
wondering
what
what
changed
there?
What
caused
that
process
to
change?
So
thank
you
for
answering
that
question.
B
Yeah
and
phil
just
so,
you
know
like
what
what
we
did
in
the
process
was
there
was
that
and
then
there
was
the
online
survey
where
people
there
was
461.
People
in
the
city
went
and
put
essentially
virtual
stickers
on
maps
about
where
they
wanted
them
to
see
different
uses,
and
so
those
are
also
available
in
the
survey
results
from
the
metro,
quest
survey
and
and
melissa.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
had
one
other
question
and
this
is
for.
Is
it
rory?
You
made
a
comment
something
to
the
fact
that
there
was
a
waiver
or
something
in
that
orchard
wetlands
area,
I
I
never
heard
that
before.
Could
you
expand
on
what
what
that
comment?
Please.
B
My
questions,
thank
you.
Thanks
phil
paul,
you
are
next.
D
I
have
a
few
but
they're,
all
quick.
When
does
the
infrastructure
get
addressed
things
like
overcrowded
roads?
Are
we
going
to
have
enough
water,
redoing,
sewers.
B
That
flows
for
infrastructure
get
it
flows
that
flows.
Sorry,
I
didn't
mean
it
that
way.
It's
it's
been
a
long
day.
We
we
get
through
this
part
first
and
then
we
essentially
look
at
what
we
think
of,
as
maybe
realistic,
20-year
growth
projections,
and
then
it
is
based
on
that
information.
B
So
the
the
eir
will
look
at
it
to
some
degree,
but
also
then,
the
the
the
plans
for
individual
utilities
we'll
look
at
it
more
specifically,
so
the
water
master
plan,
the
the
sewer
master
plan,
that
those
will
look
at
it
more
specifically
to
make
sure
that
there's
capacity.
B
B
D
So
so,
as
somebody
that's
jumped
into
this
process
recently,
most
of
what
you're
talking
about
is
new
to
me,
and
I
can
tell
from
a
lot
of
the
other
questions.
Even
people
have
been
following
this.
Just
don't
understand
what
says
it's,
you
know
what
happens
during
the
general
plan.
What
happens
during
zoning?
What
happens
after
that
and
every
step
seems
to
be
pointed
at
the
other
step
taken
care
of.
D
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
an
overall
document
that
kind
of
describes
what
this
process
is,
but
I
think
that
would
help
people
if
you
put
that
on
the
website
somewhere,
not
not
the
details
of
here's,
a
meeting
that
we
had
that
lasted
two
hours
and
you
can
read
through
it
just
kind
of
a
flow
chart.
D
B
Sure
yeah,
I
think
we
can.
There
are
there's
information
out
there-
that
I
think
we
can
put
up
on
the
general,
so
the
overall
development
process
from
general
plan
all
the
way
to
development
project
that
I
think
would
would
help,
would
help
in
that
helping
that
understanding
and
it's
very
complicated-
I
mean
this
is
not.
This
is
not
simple,
simple
stuff,
and
you
know
even
even
those
of
us
who
who
do
this.
B
You
know
every
day
or
so
five
days
a
week,
you
know
40
hours
a
week,
there's
lots
of
gaps
in
our
knowledge
overall
of,
like
you
know,
how
do
you
do
a
a
sewer
master
plan?
For
you
know
a
community
right.
I
mean
there's
lots
of
stuff
that
you
know
we
need
to
rely
on
others
to
do
as
part
of
that
process.
So.
D
D
Like
I
was,
I
was
at
the
the
big
meeting
where
you
did
the
overall
plan
on
the
second.
I
guess
it
was
and
we
were
having
these
instant
surveys
and
I'm
going
nothing
to
base
this
on,
and
I
don't
like
any
of
the
answers,
but
I
still
have
to
vote
so
you
end
up.
I
ended
up
having
to
vote
for
things
I'm
going.
I
would
never.
I
would
fight
against
this,
but
it's
the
best
choice.
So
I
know
I
know
the
general
survey
is
coming
up.
B
You
don't
you
don't
have
to
we're,
not
looking
at
them
until
the
survey
closes.
So
that's
actually
a
good
point,
which
is
you
know,
take
your
time
and
look
through
it
and
if
you
follow
up
questions
you
know
ask
them
before
you're.
Before
you
fill
out
the
survey,
we
don't
allow
people
to
take
it
multiple
times.
So
you
know
we
want
you
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
information
so
take
it
when
you
feel
ready
and
comfortable
to
take
the
surface.
D
Okay,
another
general
question:
the
you
talk
a
lot
about
mixed
use
and
I'm
sure
somebody
has
run
the
numbers
about
like
what
would
the
cost
or
for
an
end
for
somebody
buying
a
place
cost
for
an
nvu,
a
mixed
use,
two-bedroom
place
versus
a
two-bed,
a
two-bedroom
house.
D
D
B
D
B
Not
at
all,
okay,
there
are
lots
of
people
who
who
downsize
from,
and
it's
actually
a
a
strategy
that
that
aarp
is
promoting
and
has
promoted
for
a
very
long
time,
so
that
people
can
remain
in
place
in
their
community
when
they
don't
want
to
live
in
a
single
family
home
after
the
kids
have
moved
out.
B
You
know,
maybe
a
spouse
has
passed
away
or
as
people
get
older,
they
can
live
in
in
stay
in
the
community
and
don't
have
to
move
out
to
somewhere
completely
different
so
that
they
can
still
be
part
of
that
community.
It
happens
all
over
all
over
the
place
so
and
there's
lots
and
lots
of
we
give
you
tons
of
examples
of
places.
You
may
not
want
to
do
it,
but
it
but
again
there
there's
lots
of
people
who
do.
B
Yeah,
no,
no,
and
but
so,
but
but
but
I
think
paul.
The
real
concept
here
overall
is
to
make
sure
and
to
allow
people
to
have
a
choice
right:
it's
not
to
force
people
to
live
a
certain
way.
If
you
want
to
live
that
way,
it's
that
people
people
want
different
things.
Some
people
want
to
live
in
a
single
family
home.
I
live
in
a
single
family
home
at
this
stage
in
my
life.
That's
what
I
want
to
live
in.
B
Earlier
in
my
life
I
wanted
to
live
in
in
multi-family
I,
as
I
get
older,
we've
talked
about
going
and
living
in
a
town,
home
or
a
multi-family,
so
you
know,
there's
different
stages
in
life
and
aarp
really
promotes
this,
and
so
I
think
it's
about
making
sure
that
the
community
has
choices
about
where
they
about
where
people
live.
D
B
There
are
places
in
the
survey
for
you
to
do
more
general
comments,
and
then
I
think,
if
you
have
just
broadly
more
general
comments,
use
the
email
address
and
write
general
comments
to
us,
and
we
will
get
that
and
we'll
look
at
that
as
well.
You
can
also
type
notes
in
the
in
the
online
briefing
book.
There's
the
opportunity
for
doing
that.
B
We'll
look
at
those
as
well,
but
you
know
if
you
have
a
really
specific
idea
and
you
don't
feel
like
there's
a
place
in
the
survey
to
tell
us
that
idea
send
an
email
and
say:
can
you
please
consider
this.
A
Okay,
thanks,
I
want
to
jump
in.
I
would
actually
prefer
if
people
put
general
comments
in
the
briefing
book
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because
all
the
comments
are
public,
and
so
everybody
can
see
everybody's
ideas
and
maybe
that
will
spark
some
other
ideas
from
other
people.
I'm
getting
tons
of
emails
and
I
do
respond
to
them
as
soon
as
I
get
them,
but
I
think
it
would.
It
could
be
more
beneficial
if
other
people
get
to
see
your
thoughts.
D
Okay,
one
one
last
thing,
then
is:
maybe
you
could
take
some
of
those
things
that
you're
seeing
a
lot
of
them
on
the
website,
because
I'm
sure
you
get
tired
of
seeing
the
exact
same
comment
100
times
and
somebody
that
wants
to
make
a
comment
doesn't
want
to
read
100
of
those
comments
before
they
rewrite
it.
So
there
must
be
some
way
to
kind
of.
I
don't
know,
consolidate
the
process.
B
Well,
you
can,
you
can
see
so
just
a
couple
of
things,
so
one
is
again
with
this:
the
tool
that
we
have
it's
called
conveyo.
You
can
see
what
other
people's
comments
are
on
there.
So
you
know
you
can
see
what
other
people
have
said.
You
can.
You
know,
put
your
own
comment
on
in
addition
to
that,
if
you
send
an
email,
I
agree
with
kristin.
Thank
you
for
correcting
me
and
saying
it
is.
B
There
is
a
value
in
in
dialogue,
which
is
why
we're
having
this
and
why
we're
having
these
meetings,
so
we
can
have
this
dialogue,
so
there's
a
value
in
doing
that,
and
and
for
you
to
put
something
that
other
people
can
see.
B
If
you
write
an
email
and
there's
something
in
there,
other
people
can't
see
it,
but
also
we
are
not
going
to
respond
to
that
email
it
and
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
sort
of
interim
here's
what
we're
hearing
so
far,
except
through
these
meetings,
there's
just
there's
just
we
have
dozens
of
you
know
dozen
meetings
that
we're
doing.
There's
a
lot
going
on
so
we'd
love
to
we'll.
Do
that,
at
the
end.
A
A
D
B
You
know
be
re,
please,
like
you
know.
I
think
this
goes
without
saying,
but
please
be
respectful.
I
mean
there's
130
000
people
in
in
the
city
now,
and
you
know
many
many
more
different
opinions
than
that.
So
there's
lots
of
different
ideas
there.
So
yeah
share
your
ideas,
give
a
thumbs
up.
If,
if
we're
seeing
a
ton
of
thumbs
up
on
an
idea,
well,
you
know
it
has
more
impact
than
if
just
one
person
says
it.
So
you
know
go
through
and
be
thoughtful
about
it.
B
Okay,
tim.
G
I
I
did
10,
so
I
got
a
lot
online,
so
it
was
good
there
hey
just
first
of
all,
I
appreciate
it
again,
you
guys
staying
after
hours
to
do
this.
I
mean
I
really
appreciate
that,
as
I
was
looking
through
the
land
use
map
and
then
I
kind
of
look
at
traffic
and
stuff
like
that,
I
noticed
that
there's
nothing
down
potrero!
G
A
G
Well,
I
know
well,
I
know
right
as
you
as
you
come
over
the
hill
by
hidden,
hidden
meadows.
You
know
the
three
huge
houses
with
the
acres
and
acres
and
yards,
and
you
know
just
not
that
I'm
selling
mine
and
they
didn't
want
to
sell
theirs,
but
if
they
were
cut
in
half
a
whole
section
could
be
done
with
whatever
vision
you
see
there
and
the
traffic
doesn't
get
all
the
way
into
thousand
oaks.
G
It
cuts
before
it
gets
to
thousand
oaks
newberry
park
where
it
gets
heavier
and
we
could
stop
it
at
the
line.
Plus
it's
cl.
You
know
it
adds
some
retail
where
there's
nothing
over
there,
so
everybody's
gotta
drive,
you
know
probably
three
miles
or
four
miles
to
get
something,
and
it
would
seem
like
if
you're
trying
to
cut
down
on
traffic
and
and
wrote
that
that
would
be
a
good
area
that
that
could
be
some
some
low
density,
housing
or
or
some
you
know,
nice,
commercial
and
some,
some
restaurants
and
stuff
that
we
can.
B
Yeah-
and
I
will
just
say
that
you
know
I
I
mark
that
on
the
map
you
know
again,
we
hadn't
really
heard
a
lot
about
that.
So
I
you
know,
I
encourage
you
to
do
that.
B
I
do
want
to
comment
that
the
the
decisions
of
retailers
are
very
complex
and
there
is
a
a
push
for
consolidation
in
more
more
specific
locations
and
the
the
city
overall
has
more
retail
than
than
it
needs
in
more
retail
space
than
it
needs,
which
you
see
just
driving
around,
and
the
impact
from
covet,
I
think,
is
gonna
multiply
that.
But
let
me
just
sort
of
a
rule
of
thumb
at
a
supermarket
we'll
need
a
a
shed
of
about
10
000
rooftops
so
about
10
000
homes
to
support
a
supermarket.
B
So
if
you
think
in
that
area
you
wanna
there
might
need
to
be
a
supermarket.
You
kind
of
look
at
the
low
density
and
you
count
and
that's
how
a
lot
of
like
that's
a
rule
of
thumb,
so
it
what
what's
happening
is
it
makes
it
very
difficult
to
put
that
retail
in
in
a
way
that's
viable
it'd
be
great
to
do
so.
There's
more
retail
right
within
walking
distance
of
folks,
I
think
that'd
be
awesome
and
more
spread
out,
neighborhood
centers.
B
We
have
that
to
some
degree
in
the
plan
in
the
alternatives,
but
but
if
it
were
more
places
I
think
would
be
better.
The
retail
market
just
doesn't
support
it.
B
Okay,
so
we
have
just
a
couple
minutes:
are
there
any
final
thoughts?
Final
questions.
C
B
Well
again,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
for
sharing
your
ideas.
We
we
absolutely
appreciate
the
dialogue.
It
is
you
know,
as
as
paul
said,
this
is
very
complex
stuff.
It
is
all
it's
like
drinking
from
a
fire
hose.
We
understand
that.
That's.
Why
we're
having
these
meetings
to
be
able
to
answer
some
of
these
questions
and
get
into
the
the
complexities
and
the
details
in
a
way
that
that
we
can't
in
a
200
person
meeting
so
we're
glad
you
you
all
are
joining.
B
Please
tell
your
friends
chris,
you
haven't
been
involved.
Thank
you
for
coming.
Thank
you.
Everyone
who
hasn't
been
here
before
please
tell
your
friends
about
the
process
and
have
them
come
to
one
of
the
future
meetings.