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Not
really,
we
don't
have
any
supplemental
packets
or
additional
written
correspondence,
but
tonight
I
do
want
to
take
the
opportunity,
though,
to
introduce
our
newest
addition
to
our
planning
team,
Scott
kovitz,
who
will
be
making
the
presentation
tonight.
Scott
has
a
master
in
town,
town
planning
and
he's
been
planning
manager,
both
in
the
city
of
Oxnard
and
city
of
Ventura,
becomes
highly
recommended
and
we're
happy
to
have
him
on
our
team.
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Having
been
advertised
is
required
by
laws
here,
I
open
to
consider
agenda
item
7A,
Municipal,
Code,
Amendment,
MCA,
2022-70571
and
specific
plan,
Amendment
Spa
2022-70799,
to
adopt
a
resolution
recommending
that
city
council
introduce
an
ordinance
to
amend
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan
and
the
municipal
code
to
modify
existing
standards
and
establish
new
development
and
Zoning
standards
related
to
Self,
Storage,
mini
storage
and
similar
uses
in
certain
zones
and
to
determine
the
ordinance
to
be
exempt
from
sequest.
Specifically,
amendments
are
proposed
to
sp-20
appendix
say
the
land
use
table
and
the
following
sections.
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In
the
municipal
code,
Title
IX,
chapter
4.,
add
section
9-4.2528
self
storage
facilities
in
article
25
amends
section
9-4.202
definitions
in
Article,
2,
amend,
section,
9-4-2105,
permitted
use,
Matrix,
non-residential
zones
in
section
9-4-2106
limitations
on
specific
uses
in
article
21
and
amends
sections
9-4.2402
parking
spaces
required
in
article
24
located
city-wide.
The
applicant
is
city
of
Thousand
Oaks.
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So
the
request
before
you
this
evening,
as
our
recording
secretary
just
read
into
the
record,
is
to
find
that
the
municipal
code
and
specific
plan
amendments
are
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act,
also
known
as
sequa.
Pursuant
to
Secret
guidelines,
sections.
G
150-15060C2
and
3,
as
well
as
15061
B3
and
adopt
resolution
recommending
at
the
city
council,
introduce
an
ordinance
amending
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan
and
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
to
modify
existing
standards
and
establish
new
development
and
Zoning
standards
related
to
self
storage
and
similar
uses
in
certain
zones
and
to
recommend
to
the
city
council
to
determine
that.
The
amendments
are
indeed
exempt
from
sequel.
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The
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
does
require
that
the
Planning
Commission
hold
the
public
hearing
and
make
a
recommendation
back
to
the
city
council
on
the
adoption,
denial
or
alteration
of
the
proposed
amendments.
The
city
council
will
then
review
and
hold
the
public
hearing
of
their
own
prior
to
taking
final
action.
That
meeting
is
currently
scheduled
to
take
place
in
about
two
weeks
on
October
25th.
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G
So
I
want
to
take
you
through
our
methodology
of
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today.
So
staff
has
methodically
evaluated.
Existing
city
codes,
gather
data
about
existing
self
storage
facilities,
reviewed
and
evaluated,
self-charge
regulations
of
other
jurisdictions,
and
we
reviewed
self-storage
industry
Publications
comparison.
Cities
were
chosen
as
they
were
either
in
or
immediately
adjacent
to
Ventura
County,
because
they
had
a
similar
size,
ancest
economics
or
because
they
were
mentioned
in
Industry
Publications
staff
reviewed
scores
of
widely
available.
G
This
Collective
research
has
been
used
to
assist
the
city
in
crafting
the
proposed
definitions
and
regulations
for
consideration
by
the
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council,
as
proposed.
The
regulations
would
only
pertain
to
Future
Self,
Storage
regulations,
sorry
Super,
Future,
Self
Storage
facilities
and
proposed
additions
or
modifications
to
existing
facilities.
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If
the
proposed
regulations
are
adopted,
existing
self-storage
facility
operators
could
continue
to
lawfully
operate
their
facility
consistent
with
their
existing
permit,
which
is,
in
effect
as
of
the
date,
the
municipal
code
Amendment
and
the
specific
plan
was
adopted,
foreign
through
the
adjacent
jurisdictions.
What
we
found
was
that
the
city
of
Thousand,
Oaks
and
Camarillo
have
the
largest
number
of
traditional
self-storage
facilities
of
any
City
in
Ventura
County.
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As
of
the
date
of
the
first
moratorium,
the
city
was
processing
two
pre-applications
requests
after
the
adoption
of
the
moratoriums.
Both
of
those
applications
were
withdrawn
and
are
no
longer
being
processed
to
receive
numerous
inquiries
to
develop
self
storage
facilities
which
can
accommodate
both
traditional
self-storage
facilities
or
new
transportable
pod
facilities.
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The
existing
regulations
currently
allow
self-storage
facilities
to
be
located
in
three
zones:
the
C2
Zone,
the
M1
Zone
and
the
M2
zones,
and
additionally,
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard.
Specific
plan
allows
for
self-storage
facilities
which
do
not
front
directly
onto
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard.
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Continue
with
existing
facilities
over
the
decades
self
storage
facilities
have
been
developed
throughout
the
city,
while
self
storage
facilities
are
located
within
three
specific
zones
in
the
city,
they
are
predominantly
found
in
the
M1
Zone
stealth.
Self-Storage
facilities
are
also
found
in
Parcels,
which
vary
in
size,
but
a
third
of
those
Parcels
are
two
acres
or
less
self.
Storage
facilities
also
occupy
buildings,
which
have
a
fairly
even
distribution
of
sizes.
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Thank
you
thinking
about
self
storage
facilities
in
the
context
of
Economic
Development.
We
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
city's
current
vacancy
rates
for
commercial
uses
is
6.3
percent
and
Industrial
uses
is
4.2
percent
5
vacancy
rate
typically
signifies
a
healthy
Market
vacancy
rates
under
five
percent
typically
result
in
higher
costs
to
the
end
users,
as
this
relates
to
self
storage
facilities.
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And
lands
in
terms
of
the
self-storage
regulations
on
the
books
today,
in
addition
to
development
standards
associated
with
C2
M1
and
M2
zones
and
the
Thousand
Boulevard
specific
properties.
The
city's
current
self
storage
facility
regulations
are
limited
to
the
following
four
limitations,
which
are
seen
on
the
screen.
In
short,
there's
not
a
lot
of
extra
regulations
that
we
have
relative
to
these
particular
facilities.
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An
administrative
level
development
permit
is
required
in
the
M1
and
M2
zones
for
locations
that
are
Beyond
400
feet
from
residential
zones
and
are
not
seeking
certain
development
standard
waivers.
An
administrative
level.
Sup
is
also
required
for
sp20
properties
that
do
not
front
onto
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard.
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G
The
project
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health,
safety
or
general
welfare,
and
the
project
has
been
reviewed
in
conformance
with
SQL
special
use
permits
when
they
are
required,
evaluate
operational
characteristics
that
may
or
may
not
be
appropriate
for
certain
areas
and
as
such,
a
unique
fifth
finding
must
be
made
to
approve
a
special
use.
Permit,
specifically,
that
finding
is
the
proposed
use
at
the
proposed
location
will
be
compatible
with
the
land
uses
in
their
vicinity.
G
So,
as
we
looked
at
jurisdictional
Trends,
we
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
looked
at
24
different
jurisdictions
in
Southern
California
to
get
a
wide
swath
of
what
they
what's
happening
with
different
municipalities
and
through
a
comparative
analysis,
staff
has
identified
that
first
communities
regularly
require
discretionary
permit
for
self-storage
facilities
and
there
are
a
wide
range
of
ways
to
regulate.
Self
Storage
uses
to
alleviate
potential
Community
impacts
associated
with
self
storage
facilities.
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In
short,
there's
no
one
way
to
regulate
self
storage
facilities
and,
as
such,
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
staff
picked
and
chose
different
standards
that
we
thought
were
most
applicable
to
our
community
evaluation
of
municipal
code
standards
identified
common
self
storage
facility
themes.
First
and
foremost,
they
are
located
primarily
in
industrial
areas.
Caretaker
units
are
required,
separate
planning
entitlements
are
required
for
the
structure
and
the
use
Self
Storage
specific
parking
regulations
are
normal
and
prohibitions
on
habitation
within
the
units.
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We
also
wanted
to
provide
some
information
regarding
the
industry.
So
again
we
reviewed
scores
a
widely
available
Self,
Storage
literature,
published
online
and
a
review
of
that
literature
provided
a
history
of
the
Self
Storage
industry,
evolving
from
unconditioned
buildings,
with
easy,
exterior
access
in
the
1960s
to
multi-storied
condition,
buildings
with
higher
architectural
landscape
standards.
Today,
the
self
storage
self
storage
association's
literature
indicated
that
the
most
common
state-of-the-art
facility
will
be
a
60
to
80
000
square
foot.
G
Additionally,
individuals
and
businesses
store
materials
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
As
seen
on
these
graphs.
The
business
Community
Nationwide
accounts
for
about
16
percent
of
the
self
storage
facility
buildings,
and
what
was
interesting
is
that
meech
storage
interest
were
repeatedly
mentioned
as
an
area
of
growth.
An
example
of
a
niche
storage
interest
would
include
either
the
storage
or
personal
wine
collections
or
storage
for
pharmaceutical
companies.
G
Staff's
evaluation
of
Self,
Storage
literature
and
discussions
with
the
Self
Storage
operators
identified
the
following
industry
trends.
First,
fully
automated
facilities
are
on
the
rise.
Robust
security
systems
are
often
provided,
climate-controlled
buildings
and
units
are
provided,
especially
for
those
Niche
Industries.
G
Higher
architectural
standards
are
being
required,
they're
turning
away
from
exterior
roll-up
door
facilities
and
there's
an
introduction
of
mixed-use
facilities
consisting
of
office,
retail
and
or
restaurant
uses
along
the
frontages
of
these
buildings.
And
finally,
the
interior,
Recreation
vehicle
storage
for
collector
vehicles
and
boat
storage
is
on
the
rise
as
well.
G
To
move
towards
accomplishing
this
goal,
it
has
been
determined
that
there
is
a
need
to
provide
further
regulations
for
self-starred
uses,
while
giving
due
consideration
to
the
highest
and
best
uses
of
the
city's
land.
Use
inventory
following
are
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
city's
self-storage
standards.
G
G
The
full
definitions
for
each
of
those
are
provided
in
the
staff
report
and
ordinance.
But
in
summary,
as
we
look
at
a
self-storage
facility,
wholesaling
and
warehousing,
a
self-storage
facility
is
to
provide
locations
for
the
private
storage
of
goods,
but
not
the
sale
of
those
materials,
whereas
warehousing
and
wholesaling
provide
locations
for
materials
and
goods
which
are
intended
to
be
involved
in
the
manufacturing,
distribution
and
or
sales
process.
G
Warehousing
and
wholesaling
uses
specific
for
our
definition,
specifically
preclude
Self
Storage
uses
for
this
presentation.
We're
only
highlighting
the
definition
of
Self
Storage
on
the
screen,
but
if
the
Planning
Commission
has
questions
about
any
of
those
we're
here
to
answer
questions
about
those.
G
According
to
the
self-storage
Association
industry
Publications,
the
site
selection
is
dependent
on
a
variety
of
factors,
including
ease
of
access,
proximity
and
density
of
customers,
expected
growth,
current
storage,
saturation
levels,
availability
of
land,
appropriate
Zone
and
computer
traffic
patterns,
and
visibility
based
on
staff's
Research
self-storage
facilities
are
destination,
locations
which
do
not
solely
depend
on
enticing
passed
by
vehicle
trips
to
patronize.
These
businesses,
which
is
similar
to
warehouse
and
wholesaling,
uses
self
storage
facilities,
typically
have
building
shapes
and
sizes,
which
are
also
similar
to
warehousing
and
wholesale
uses.
G
G
There
is
a
concern
about
the
large
concentration
of
self
storage
facilities
within
the
city,
as
the
use
competes
for
space
and
buildings
that
could
house
a
variety
of
businesses.
Self-Storage
facilities
do
create
self
short-term
economic
generation.
Wild
developments
are
being
constructed,
however,
self
storage
facilities
are
not
long-term
economic
generators
as
they
create
few
permanent
jobs.
G
In
consideration
of
the
prior
slides
and
the
city's
guidelines
for
development
within
the
corridors
of
101
and
23,
freeways
which
were
adopted
by
the
city
in
1991
staff
proposes
the
following
location-based
standards
that
would
allow
commercial
and
Industrial
economic
generation.
Sorry
generators
to
take
Primacy
of
the
most
visible
locations,
while
self-storage
facilities
would
be
allowed
to
develop
unless
prominent,
but
still
accessible
sites.
G
The
M1
and
M2
zones
do
not
have
a
maximum
lot
size
for
other
industrial
uses.
However,
current
city
regulations
limit
self
storage
facilities
to
Parcels,
which
are
no
larger
than
five
acres
staff
proposes,
establishing
a
maximum
lot
size
of
two
acres
for
self-storage
facilities
to
steer.
Storage.
Sorry
excuse
me
to
steer
self-storage
facilities
into
smaller
industrial
properties,
with
an
intention
of
preserving
larger
industrial
properties
for
the
economic
generators.
G
On
this
slide
with
the
development
standards,
you'll
notice,
there's
an
asterisk
on
the
front
setback
slide,
and
that's
what
this
next
slide
talks
about.
So
self
storage
facilities
do
not
attract
a
large
number
of
people
to
their
facilities
and
their
facilities
have
historically
been
inward
facing
collectively.
This
means
that
a
typical
self
storage
facility
does
not
create
a
hub
of
activity
visible
from
the
street.
G
The
Self
Storage
industry
has
introduced
two
activating
Trends,
which
are
actually
moving
in
opposite
directions.
The
first
one
is
that
the
industry
has
moved
toward
fully
automating
their
facilities,
while
this
reduces
costs
for
the
self-storage
facility
and
also
decreases
the
level
of
activity
experienced
at
the
self
storage
facilities,
as
no
human
interaction
is
needed.
G
Let
the
current
regulations
don't
require
it
along
the
entirety
of
the
building
and
two
the
to
locate
the
self
storage
facility
itself
behind
the
office
and
Retail
use
with
the
minimum
setback
of
100
feet
from
the
property
line
along
the
street
Frontage
to
make
self-storage
facility
locations
more
active,
especially
as
experienced
from
the
street.
The
proposed
regulations
before
you
would
embellish
the
current
regulations,
making
the
current
ground
floor
Street
facing
requirements
follow
one
of
the
two
setback
options
as
presented
on
the
screen.
G
First,
if
the
building
fronts
onto
a
street
directly
office,
retail,
restaurant
and
or
caretaker
uses
would
be
required
along
the
entire
Frontage
of
that
building
for
a
minimum
depth
of
20
feet
or
or
the
self
storage
facility
could
elect.
Not
to
do
that.
But
then
the
entire
building,
the
consisting
of
the
Self
Storage
use
itself,
would
need
to
be
placed
behind
a
building
on
the
same
parcel.
G
For
clarity
we
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
a
self
storage
facility
could
elect
to
use
the
office
and
retail
space
that
would
be
on
the
ground
level
for
their
own
needs.
So
it
could
include
not
only
an
office,
restaurant
or
caretaker
use,
but
their
own
retail
and
office
uses
to
help
serve
the
public.
G
G
So
a
review
of
the
literature
provided
of
the
self
or
provided
sorry.
Let
me
start
again:
a
review
of
the
literature
provided
a
history
of
the
self-storage
industry,
evolving
from
metal
and
or
concrete
unconditioned
buildings
with
easy,
exterior
access
to
the
multi-story
condition,
buildings
with
higher
architectural
Landscaping
standards
and
the
slide
that
we
have
before
you
shows
what
is
considered
first,
second
and
third
generation
facilities
as
well.
Some
images
is
how
they've
evolved
over
the
years,
although
the
self
storage
facilities
can
be
be
designed
to
achieve
a
higher
level
of
architectural
design.
G
So
the
city's
existing
regulations
require
design
review
for
new
Industrial
Development,
using
subjective
design
guidelines
and
to
elevate
the
architectural
characteristics
of
self
storage
facilities,
while
also
harnessing
the
Self
Storage
Industries
architectural
Trends,
the
Self
Storage
industry,
I'm,
sorry,
and
to
insert
a
level
of
objectivity
to
the
design
review
process.
Staff
recommends
standards
for
self
storage
buildings
of
those
involving
the
building's
form.
G
The
architectural
standards
that
we've
included
focus
on
designing
buildings
which
have
staggered
vertical
walls,
recessed
doors
and
windows
and
roofs
overhangs
designed
for
solar,
shading,
storefront
glass
systems
are
required
for
the
office,
retail
and
restaurant
spaces,
and
spandrel
glass
is
proposed
to
be
prohibited,
a
spandrel
class
just
to
let
everyone
know
what
that
is.
It's
essentially
a
glass,
a
glass
face
that
you
can't
see
through.
Typically,
it
consists
of
a
piece
of
glass
with
a
piece
of
metal
behind
it
that
doesn't
allow
someone
to
actually
see
the
activity
happening
within
a
building
and
our
regulations.
G
G
Units
designed
for
vehicle
storage
may
have
exterior
access,
but
the
access
is
to
be
fully
screened
from
this
by
the
building.
You
know
the
fully
screen
by
the
building
as
viewed
from
the
street
enclosed
interior
Corridor.
Access
to
self
storage
units
is
required
for
all
the
storage
units
which
are
not
to
be
used
for
storing
vehicles
and
a
dedicated
covered
loading
zone
is
to
be
located
at
building
entrances
connected
to
that
interior
corridor.
G
Pedestrian
friendly
elements,
such
as
trellises
pergolas
or
walkways
between
rows
of
evenly
planted
trees,
are
going
to
be
required
in
parking
areas
leading
to
the
main
entrance
and
along
the
building.
Fronting
the
public
right-of-way
in
parking
areas,
she'll
also
be
screened
from
the
public
right-of-way
with
decorative
walls
and
Landscaping.
H
G
Conditioned
space
additionally,
staff
suggest
adopting
standards
to
allow
the
continued
growth
of
the
transportation
the
transportable
Pod
Self
Storage
use.
That's
been
developing
in
the
industry,
but
those
facilities.
Those
pods
are
to
be
located
behind
the
building
screened
by
the
building
itself,
as
viewed
from
the
public
right-of-way
and,
in
summary,
fashion,
staff
recommends
operational
standards
related
to
the
various
topics
which
are
on
the
screen
and
those
are
currently
included
in
the
draft
ordinance
in
detail.
But
we're
not
going
to
go
over
those
specific
details,
but
we're
available
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have
about.
G
G
Two-Thirds
of
the
property
in
terms
of
prohibitions
of
the
draft
regulations
include
prohibitions
on
the
habitation
within
the
self
storage
units
themselves,
storage
of
toxic,
toxic
or
hazardous
materials,
sale
or
distribution
of
stored,
Goods,
the
operation
of
a
business
out
of
any
storage
unit
and
finally,
on
the
prohibition
of
truck
rental
in
the
exterior
storage
of
recreational
vehicles
and
boats
from
or
on
the
property
with
self-storage
facilities.
G
While,
most
of
our
standards
that
we
are
proposing
are
introducing
some
regulations.
This
one
is
actually
making
is
related
to
parking
which
would
ultimately
result
in
fewer
parking
spaces
being
needed
on
these
properties.
G
In
addition,
one
parking
space
is
needed
for
every
250
square
feet
of
the
gross
floor
area
for
incidental
office
use
a
self
storage
facilities
do
not
generate
much
activity.
An
excessive
amount
of
parking
spaces
are
required
by
the
current
software
by
the
current
regulations
based
on
a
survey
of
multiple
jurisdictions
on
Municipal
codes,
staff
recommends
reducing
the
parking
standards
specifically
self
storage
facilities
would
have
a
minimum
of
five
spaces
per
facility,
consisting
of
one
space
for
every
100
units
or
fraction
thereof,
with
a
minimum
of
three
parking
spaces.
G
In
addition
to
those
standards,
we've
also
created
a
standard
for
caretaker
units
which
would
require
two
parking
spaces,
either
enclosed
or
covered
per
caretaker
unit,
plus
one
additional
space
per
unit
for
guest
parking
and
the
caretaker
standard.
It's
not
specific
to
self
storage
facilities.
Any
caretaker
unit
within
the
city
would
be
subject
to
that
regulation.
G
The
proposed
Municipal
Code
language
includes
language
specific,
which
specifies
legal
non-conforming.
Self-Storage
facilities
could
be
modified
in
the
future
to
increase
their
sizes,
to
increase
the
size
of
the
building
and
expand
the
use
by
the
lesser
of
either
8
000
square
feet
or
ten
thousand
ten
percent,
as
the
size
of
their
exist.
10
percent
of
the
size
of
their
existing
permitted
building
again,
which
is
in
effect
as
the
date
of
the
MCA
or
the
specific
plan.
G
Amendment
and
let
me
go
ahead
and
repeat
that,
because
I
just
stumbled
through
that,
the
existing
regulations
that
we
have
on
the
books
today
allow
legal
non-conforming
uses
to
expand,
but
it
limits
it
to
either
a
growth
of
10
of
the
size
of
the
existing
building
not
to
exceed
8
000
square
feet,
so
our
existing
facilities,
our
existing
self
storage
facilities,
would
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
that
same
code
provision.
G
The
square
footage
of
the
caretaker
unit
again
shall
be
part
of
that
10
expansion
area.
The
new
edition
shall
be
required
to
implement
all
the
development
and
operational
standards
within
the
addition,
and
they
may,
but
not
shall
they
may
apply
the
same
operational
development
standards
to
the
rest
of
their
facility.
So
not
the
addition,
but
the
existing
facility
should
a
non-conforming
self-storage
facility
use,
cease
operating
for
a
period
of
six
months
or
longer.
It
shall
be
deemed
to
be
abandoned
and
their
underlying
permit
would
be
of
no
longer
standing.
G
Based
on
a
geospatial
analysis
of
the
current
Parcels
implementing
the
proposed
location-based
changes
and
the
maximum
parcel
size
standard,
approximately
30
Parcels
could
contain
a
new
self
storage
facilities,
as
proposed
no
New
Self
Storage
use
shall
be
allowed
by
right.
New
self
storage
facilities
would
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
Commission
at
a
public
hearing.
G
G
G
So
we
did
look
at
the
general
plan
as
well
as
the
economic
development
strategic
plan
as
we
develop
these
regulations
and
we
found
that
self
storage
facilities
are
recognized,
need
and
use
in
the
community.
However,
the
provision
of
these
facilities
must
be
balanced
with
the
general
plan's
policies
and
our
Economic
Development
goals.
G
As
we
hit
the
home
stretch
here,
the
project
has
been
determined
to
be
exempt
from
the
requirements
of
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act
pursuant
to
sequa
guideline
sections,
15060c2
and
3
and
15061b3,
which
state
SQL
applies
only
to
projects
which
have
the
potential
for
causing
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment,
where
it
can
be
seen
with
certainty
that
there
is
no
possibility
that
the
activity
in
question
may
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment.
The
activity
is
not
subject
to
SQL.
G
We
find
that
that's
an
appropriate
classification
as
a
proposed
municipal
code
and
specific
plan
Amendment
will
restrict
the
construction
of
new
self
storage
facilities
to
the
M1
and
M2
zones,
subject
to
a
future
discretionary
permit,
as
future
proposed
developments
would
be
subject
to
their
own
project-specific
environmental
review.
The
proposed
Municipal
Code
of
men
mentioned
specific
plan.
Amendment
would
not
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
environment
as
no
projects
are
actually
before
us
today
and
therefore
the
items
before
you
today
are
exempt
from
sequel.
G
So,
as
our
final
slide
here
is
the
staff
recommendation.
So
in
conclusion,
the
proposed
Municipal,
Code,
Amendment
and
specific
plan
Amendment
will
provide
implementation
and
regulations
specific
to
the
self
storage
facility
industry.
Considering
both
the
city's
General
plan
and
economic
development
strategic
plan
are
peer
jurisdictions,
adopted
regulations
and
Industry
trends.
G
Specifically,
amendments
are
proposed
to
sp20
appendix
a
the
land
use
table
and
the
following
sections:
the
municipal
code,
Title
IX,
chapter
4.,
add
sections
9-4,
dot,
dot,
2528
self
storage
facilities
in
article
25.,
amend
sections,
9-4.202
definitions
and
article
two
amend
section:
9.4.2105
permitted
uses,
Matrix
non-residential
zones
and
section
9-4.2106
limitations
on
specific
uses
in
article
21
and
amend
section
9.4
9-4.2402
parking
space
is
required
in
article
24
and
if
the
Planning
Commission
agrees
with
us,
you
can
simply
say,
move
the
staff
recommendation,
rather
than
repeat
all
of
that.
So
with
that.
H
So
if
we
are
limiting
the
amount
of
Frontage
or
or
traffic
that
is
able
to
to
you,
know,
get
anywhere
near
these
places
or
are
we
then
requiring
them
to
have
something
that
is
going
to
get
no
traffic
whatsoever?.
G
Commissioner
link,
so
by
putting
in
these
facilities
that
would
potentially
draw
development
or
or
customers,
we
find
it
a
way
to
activate
the
space,
perhaps
from
adjacent
industrial
uses.
You
know
if
we
were
thinking
that
maybe
a
restaurant
would
go
into
a
facility
would
that
draw
from
other
industrial
uses
rather
than
sending
those
back
out
into
the
community
other
locations.
I
thought
that
you
know
comparable
thought
is
the
Sidecar
Cafe,
that's
located
in
the
generally
speaking,
the
south
of
the
Lawrence
area
out
in
Rancho
Canal.
G
That
type
of
of
restaurant
use
at
a
facility
like
this
might
be
beneficial
to
the
general
neighborhood
and
provide
a
little
bit
more
activity
on
the
street,
as
well
as
at
these
facilities.
So
there's
a
potential
gain
if
you
will
for
the
number
of
people
that
would
be
visiting
these
facilities
and
maybe
even
discovering
them
as
time
goes
on,
so
it's
a
balancing
act
as
we're
looking
at
it,
but
ultimately
the
goal
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
is
to
not
create
dead
space
in
the
community.
G
So
we
we
do
find
that
that
is
an
appropriate
standard
both
for
the
city's
own
economic
interest
and
activeness
of
these
facilities
and
something
that
we
also
find
the
industry
leaning
towards
it's,
not
something
that's
being
implemented
in
all
facilities.
I,
don't
want
to
express
that,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
is
happening
with
the
industry
themselves.
G
I
Thank
you,
commissioner,
link
the
two
that
you're
thinking
over
the
only
two
I
can
really
think
of
too
the
Italian
restaurant
and
then
the
the
cafe
there
are
other
uses.
There's
the
wine
use,
I,
think
it's
Naboo
or
on
Towngate
as
well,
but
there
are
other
non-industrial
uses
in
these
areas.
H
Could
be,
but
I
mean
I'm
thinking
at
this
point,
if
there
aren't
others
that
are
using
industrial
space
existing,
then
the
chances
of
then
this
being
activated
in
the
future,
probably
slim
to
none,
but
that's
just
one
man's
opinion
I
and
if
it
was
mentioned
earlier,
I
apologize
if
I
completely
missed
it.
It
was.
There
was
quite
a
bit
from
quite
a
bit
of
information
in
your
presentation,
but
with
the
proposed
regulations,
especially
with
regard
to
the
setbacks
from
the
center
lines
of
arterials
and
freeways
and
major
streets.
G
Commissioner
link
great
question:
we
actually
didn't
drop
the
actual
specific
percentage
as
we're
looking
at
the
total
number
of
M1
and
M2
Parcels
within
the
city,
there's
currently
476
M1
and
M2
properties
in
the
entirety
of
the
city,
I'll.
Putting
that
in
context,
there's
approximately
52
000
Parcels
within
the
whole
of
the
city
of
those
476
Parcels
only
30
would
be
developable
are
available
for
the
development
of
new
self
storage
facilities.
So,
if
we're
looking
at
Rough
percentages
that
leaves
about
seven
percent
of
the
M1
and
M2
properties
available
for
new
self
storage
facilities,.
H
Okay
and
I
kind
of
want
to
just
out
loud
is
the
intent
of
some
of
these
regulations
to
just
make
it
so
fiscally
unattractive
to
develop
self-storage
that
we
we
in
essence
just
sort
of
nip
the
the
the
proverbial
bud
and
and
not
I
mean
I.
Try
to
make
this,
so
it's
so
difficult
that
we
we
no
longer
have
self
storage.
I
mean
I.
H
I
can
understand
in
certain
cases
having
climate
control
when
you
have
wine
storage,
but
requiring
that
to
be
in
an
entire
complex
then
again
makes
these
facility
is
very
expensive
to
run,
and
if
we
don't
hear
from
the
Thousand
Oaks
climate,
Action,
Coalition
or
anybody
else
about
refrigerating
self
storage
units
that
don't
necessarily
need
it
I'm
sure
we
probably
will
at
a
later
date,
but
I
just
wonder
if
some
of
these
requirements
for
operational
characteristics
maybe
are
above
and
beyond,
where
we
want
to
be.
Even
if
we
are
limiting
ourselves
to
47
parcels.
G
That
said
as
we
look
at
the
existing
15
developments
that
we
have
today
that
are
operating
without
the
higher
level
Echelon,
that
the
industry
is
bringing
we're
looking
at
supplementing
those
existing
facilities
with
higher
end
facilities.
So
there
would
be
a
mix
of
potential
units
or
self
storage
facilities
within
the
whole
of
the
city.
K
That
was
a
very
thorough
report.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
questions
I.
Just
let's
see
do
most
of
our
current
self-storage
facilities
have
caretakers
there
already.
I
K
K
Current
one
wants
to:
they
have
to
modify
their
property
so
that
it
it
meets
with
the
new
criteria.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
criteria.
Would
that
be
all
the
setbacks
and
and
all
the
designs
on
the
outside
exterior
walls
and
the
roof
articulation,
and
all
that
is
all
of
that
gonna
have
to
change
for
them.
K
And
then
I
noticed
that
it
only
we're
only
applying
to
Parcels
that
were
created
prior
to
July
1st
2011.
I'm
wondering
the
reasoning
behind
that.
G
Commissioner
McMahon,
thank
you
for
that
question.
That's
actually
one
of
the
current
regulations.
That's
on
the
books
today
with
the
introduction
of
the
new
standards.
We
actually
get
rid
of
that
particular
standard,
and
then
we
would
any
parcel
that
would
meet
the
requirements
geospatially
and
or
the
maximum
Parcels.
A
minimum
maximum
parcel
would
be
available.
J
Thank
you,
chair
Newman.
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
presentation.
Mr
coach,
I
do
have
just
a
couple
of
questions
on
I
saw
the
list
of
the
actual
physical
number
of
storage
facilities.
Did
we
do
a
square
footage
per
capita
calculation
by
any
chance,
because
I
would
assume
that
that
would
probably
be
a
greater
indicator
of
the
usefulness
of
storage.
G
We
did
relative
to
our
fellow
jurisdictions
if
you
will
and
when
what
was
interesting
is
when
we
talked
to
our
self
storage
operators
about
the
per
capita
standard.
G
G
The
Hollywood
storage
facility
that
particular
facility
was
is
a
1300
unit
development
and
they
told
us
that
it
had
leased
up
within
about
a
95
leasing
within
about
a
six-month
period.
So
that's
the
the
factor
that
the
industry
uses
in
terms
of.
Is
there
a
demand
for
these
facilities,
or
not
more
so
than
a
per
capita
sort
of
evaluation?.
J
G
Thank
you
for
the
follow-up.
So
when
we
propose
these
regulations,
we
reached
out
to
the
existing
operators
for
the
15
facilities
within
the
city
of
Thousand,
Oaks,
of
which
The
Operators
have
participated
in
that
call.
They
talked
about
their
experience
in
the
city
in
public
storage
in
particular,
was
the
one
who
shared
their
experience
of
that
leasing
rate
so.
J
G
They
also
spoke
on
behalf
of
the
the
number
of
facilities
that
they
have
across
the
country,
that
the
leasing
rate
essentially
is
the
thing
that
they
follow
trying
to
determine
if
there's
actually
demand
in
a
community.
Okay.
J
But
I'm
still
sorry,
the
the
the
answer
to
my
question
is:
no.
We
don't
know
because
we
have
the
same
number
of
facilities
that
Camarillo
does,
but
we
don't
know
if
they
have
more
square
footage
of
storage
over
there
than
we
do
also
West
Lake
has
two
of
these,
which
is
a
very
adjacent
neighbor
of
ours.
So,
within
this
general
area
there
are
17.
I'm,
I'm,
literally
curious.
How
much
storage
space
there
is
in
town
is
what
I'm
asking.
J
The
other
thing
you
mentioned,
while
you
were
speaking,
was
there's
a
Niche
uses.
You
mentioned
that
pharmaceutical
companies
use
storage
for
this,
so
we
consulted
local
businesses
as
to
whether
or
not
they
are
availing
themselves
of
this
storage
space
and
whether
it
be
necessary
for
a
number
of
our
corporate
partners
for
to
have
these
places
in
existence
and
neighboring
them.
G
G
Correct
and
in
particular,
was
the
pharmaceutical
uses,
which
identified
the
temperatures
and
the
humidities
which
were
needed
for
potential
pharmaceutical
goods,
and
those
are
the
ones
that
we
included
within
the
draft
ordinance
itself.
Okay,.
J
So
and
then
you
did
mention
that
you
did
try
to
get
feedback
from
existing
operators.
You
said
specifically:
Public
Storage
participated.
What
percentage
participation
did
you
get
from
the
15.
G
Yeah
of
the
15
we
had
a
total
of
five
individuals
participate
in
the
meeting,
some
of
which
represented
multiple
facilities.
Oh.
J
You
said
that
they
that
that
there's
a
variable
rate
and
that
their
determination
of
saturation
is
based
upon
that
occupancy.
Would
we
be
characterized
as
saturated
underserved.
G
I
think
that's
maybe
a
question
that
might
be
best
left
for
existing
operators
when
it
comes
right
down
to
it.
I
saw
earlier
well.
J
We're
we're
literally
proposing
something
that
will
be
a
limiter,
a
governor
on
the
free
market,
Enterprise,
so
I.
We,
we
should
probably
know
what
what
we're
throttling
here
there.
G
Is
a
a
level
of
need,
I
would
say
in
in
the
community
that
was
acknowledged
by
The
Operators,
exactly
if
we're
at
saturation
point
or
not
is
a
general
question
that
I
would
say
is
maybe
unknown
to
staff.
We
did
not
do
a
market
study,
so
I
can't
answer
that
with
authority
all.
L
Right
no
problem,
if
I'm
a
chair
and
commissioner
bus,
certainly
at
the
when
we
did
the
moratorium
or
the
urgency
ordinance,
we
had
a
couple
of
applications
that
were
pending.
That
raised
concern
to
council
about
whether
or
not
this
continuing
influx
of
of
self
storage
facilities
were
too
significant
for
the
city.
In
light
of
the
percentage
that
we
have
forever.
L
Up
there
correct
and
so
at
I
I
think
at
the
time
it
was
showing
a
concern
about
the
number
that
we
were
receiving
and
ultimately
what
happened
is
we
brought
the
urgency
ordinance
to
city
council
to
consider
and
they
took
the
step
to
put
a
moratorium
on
it
for
this
again?
It's
one
year
or
it's.
L
If
you
wanted
to
with
that
said,
I
think
Mr
colwoods
also
stated
that
we
have
continued
to
receive
questions
about
self-storage
and
and
inquiries
as
to
whether
there's
a
land
available
for
Self
Storage,
as
you
can
guess.
Obviously,
with
your
background,
Self
Storage
is
a
very
lucrative
type
of
use
when
you
think
about,
for
example,
his
comment
about
the
1300
unit
at
95
percent,
occupancy
I.
J
Was
actually
kind
of
personally
curious
how
the
the
the
contrary
to
wealth
of
this
community
can
impact
that
as
well
I
mean
we're
talking
about
buying
cars
storage
that
we've
that
we've
dealt
with
in
this.
That
is
true.
We're
talking
about
wine
right
now,
we're
talking
about
pharmaceuticals,
we're
talking
about
a
a
large
number
of
items
that
are
very
valuable
and
in
the
process.
If
we,
if
you
know,
because
we're
talking
about
this,
we're
talking
about
the
the.
L
Needs
of
our
community
right,
I,
think
I
I.
Think,
as
he
mentioned,
the
niche
kind
of
situations
I
think
the
only
one
I'm
aware
of
and
I,
wouldn't
even
call
it
a
self-storage
facility.
Frankly,
is
the
one
that
we
was
brought
before
you
with
the
unique
request
for
the
storage
of
those
vintage
cars
or,
and
it
wasn't
the
applicant
was
actually
the
representative
of
the
person.
I
can't
remember
even
the
name
of
the
person.
L
Gate,
right
and
or
I
might
have
been
by
labor.
J
L
These
ordinances,
yeah,
I,
think
so
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
was
unique
about
that
was
that
there's
this
component
about
selling
those
Vehicles
like
in
a
one-on-one
kind
of
private
kind
of
cell,
not
open
to
the
public.
But
by
invitation
for
these
very
unique
cars,
apparently.
L
J
L
Yeah
I
I
mean
I
have
to
look
at
that
case,
specifically,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
was
what
made
that
unique
was
also
the
cell
component
of
selling
an
automobile
in
that
location,
because
that
was
part
of
his
request
was
not
only
to
be
able
to
store
the
vehicles
in
a
unit,
but
also
there's
one-on-one
kind
of
situations
where
people
come
and
look
at
a
vintage
car.
And
then,
after
that
say,
okay
I'm
gonna
buy
that
car,
because.
J
L
I
L
I
don't
know
if
staff
has
looked
for
our
city
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
personally
in
our
city
itself,
Thousand
Oaks,
that
we
have
that
kind
of
storage,
unique
storage,
kind
of
capability,
but
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
that
when
City
gave
us
Direction
city
council
gave
staff
Direction.
It
was
the
effort
by
staff
to
look
at
all
these
different
kinds
of
cities
and
jurisdictions
that
were
kind
of
similar
to
Thousand
Oaks.
To
say
what
is
the
current
kind
of
formula
for
these
facilities?
L
That's
why
you
see
these
new
things,
such
as
the
caretaker
unit?
It's
not
new,
but
just
unique
for
that.
We're,
adding
electric
AC
or
HVAC
was
unique
right.
So
things
like
that.
All.
J
Right,
I'll
move
on
to
my
next
question:
we'll
stop
away
bring
this
I
apologize.
The
last
thing
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
you
was
when
we
were
talking
about
adding
a
mixed
use.
Frontage
access
all
that
stuff,
but
we're
simultaneously
discussing
reducing
the
parking
requirements.
Would
that
would
a
proposal
come
forward
that
had
additional
retail
space
have
an
additional
parking
requirement
for
that
retail,
or
is
that
exempt
I
thought?
You
realized
that
one.
G
F
Thank
you,
chair,
Newman,
first
and
foremost,
Mr
kowitza.
Thank
you
very
much
and
welcome
to
the
city.
I'm.
Sorry,
you
did
not
get
a
standing
ovation
as
our
recording
secretary
did,
but
you
didn't
do
it
all
in
one
breath
like
she
did
so,
maybe
next
time
no
I
I
appreciate
that
was
a
lot
of
information
and
I
very
much
appreciate
when
you
would
look
up
and
see
the
the
stairs
on
our
faces
that
you
needed
to
break
it
down
a
little
bit
more
and
go
through.
F
This
is
a
lot
of
information
to
go
through
by
going
later
on
in
my
fellow
Commissioners
asked
most
of
the
questions,
but
I
want
to
kind
of
just
ask
a
few
basic
ones.
There's
been
no
objection
received
to
this
application.
Correct.
G
That
is
correct.
We
have
received
no.
Actually,
since
we
sent
out
the
notice,
we
haven't
been
contacted
by
a
single
proponent
or
opponent
of
this
set
of
regulations
and.
F
F
Did
anybody
at
the
city
talk
to
those
applicants?
Did
they
even
communicate
at
all
with
the
city.
I
We
had
spoken
to
them
after
the
city
council.
Moratorium
was
in
place
for
the
additional
10
months
and
15
days
and
gave
me
the
opportunity
to
either
withdraw
their
application,
keep
it
alive
and
see
what
happens
through
this
process
or
get
their
money
back,
and
they
chose
that
that
route
they
got
a
refund
full
refund
of
their
application.
Filing
fees
and
the
applications
were
withdrawn.
F
Okay,
so
at
that
point,
we've
received
no
further
information
or
communication
from
them.
This
issue,
from
what
it
indicates
in
the
staff
report,
is
obviously
not
unique
to
our
city.
It's
happening
throughout
cities
that
you
talk
to
and
I'm,
assuming
even
around
farther
than
that
is
there
any
County
or
state
discussion
with
regard
to
implementing
any
kind
of
rules
that
we
would
want
to
make
sure
we're
consistent
with
if.
G
G
Commissioner,
Lawson
no
jurisdictions
specified
to
us
anything,
that's
or
or
even
the
APA,
for
that
matter
specified
any
new
standards
that
are
being
developed.
If
you
will
for
self
storage
facilities,
I
would
say
that
our
regulations
that
bring
proposed
are
very
robust
and
may
become
something
that
other
jurisdictions
regularly
look
at.
There
are
other
jurisdictions
in
the
in
the
area
that
have
been
following
us,
so
I'll
leave
that
statement
very
broad
if
you
will,
but
we
may
be
setting
a
new
standard.
F
G
Commissioner
Lawson,
thank
you
for
that
question
too.
We
working
with
our
city
attorney's
office.
We
looked
into
that
and
we
did
not
see
anything.
That's
related
to
that
type
of
question
and
on
a
similar
subject
matter.
You
know
something
that's
been
on
everyone's
mind.
Is
the
state's
been
awfully
active
with
land
use
decisions?
Is
there
anything
relative
to
land
use
considerations
regarding
these
type
of
uses
and
the
short
answer
is
no.
G
The
state
has
been
looking
at
changing
various
standards
related
to
commercial
uses
and
indeed
just
passed
a
few
bills
related
to
Commercial
and
housing,
but
nothing
in
Prior
sessions
or
anticipated
in
the
future
legislation.
Legislative
session
addresses
this
issue
of
of
industrial
lands
and
any
modifications
specifically
to
housing.
So.
F
G
G
About
all
sorts
of
different
regulations
over
the
years
generally
speaking,
but
nothing
is
apparent
on
the
horizon.
F
G
The
short
answer
is,
yes,
they
ceased
the
operation,
it's
the
the
use
disappears
and
then
it
would
be
available
for
whatever
would
be
allowed
per
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
per
normal
standards
to.
G
F
I'm
going
to
ask
one
last
question,
which
kind
of
is
related
to
a
project
before
you
you
got
here?
Does
this
set
of
new
Concepts
create
any
kind
of
precedent
with
regard
to
potential
rules
that
may
apply
to
other
types
of
uses
of
a
business
on
an
ongoing
basis
of
the
future,
or
is
that
a
case-by-case
situation.
G
F
B
You
you
stated
in
answering
another
commissioner's
question
that
that
a
specific
non-goal
of
this
exercise
was
to
put
put
economic
burdens
on
Self
Storage
operators.
I
wonder
if
any
analysis
was
done
on
their
customers.
B
G
B
And
On
a
related
note,
you
you
did
as
you,
as
you
stated,
you
did
Outreach
to
operators
of
existing
facilities
and
the
staff
report
states
that
their
opinion
is
that
these
new
rules
would
pretty
much
preclude
development
of
new
facilities.
G
B
And
then,
just
just
for
my
understanding
there,
there
are
a
number
of
criteria
in
these
proposed
revisions
that
could
be
construed
as
somewhat
subjective
and
and,
as
you
know,
we've
recently
had
a
series
of
State
mandates
that
forbid
us
to
use
subjective
standards
at
all
in
other
areas,
but
I'm
just
checking
I
presume
that's
not
the
case
here,
so
that
in
areas
like
compatibility
with
surroundings,
which
can
be
subjective,
we're
okay,
doing
that
in
this
case,
yeah.
G
B
Good
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
because
I
think,
even
in
residential
cases,
even
with
good
intentions,
we
we
still
do
things
that
are
inherently
subjective
in
in
ways.
But
that's
an
editorial
comment.
Moving
on
you,
proposals
here
include
some
very
helpful
definitions
of
terminology
to
say
this
is
what
a
self-storage
facility
is,
and
here
are
some
other
kinds
of
uses
that
are
not
self-storage
such
as
warehousing
and
wholesaling
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure,
I
understand
the
the
ordinance
itself
or
the
changes
to
the
law.
B
Usage
guidelines
or
permissions
for
those
other
uses-
this
is
only
changing
uses
for
self
storage.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct,
okay,
very
good
and
then,
following
up
on
a
line
of
questioning
commissioner
bus
had
we've
actually
had
two
cases
involving
Automotive
storage.
One
is
a
relatively
recent
one
on
townsgate
and
then
the
other
is
older.
It
was
in
2014.
We
had
a
case
on
Old
kanejo
Road.
G
B
So
out
of
scope
for
if
either
of
those
applications,
just
I
just
want
to
be
sure,
I
understood
the
answer
to
commissioner
robust's
question.
If
either
of
those
applications
were
to
come
before
us
today,
we'd,
we
would
be
able
to
consider
and
approve
them
without
without
these
changes
coming
into
play.
Chair
name,
and
that
is
correct,
okay,
very
good,
and
then
my
final
point
question
is
just
I
want
to
be
sure,
I
understand
the
changes
in
parking
standards.
B
If
there's
a
hypothetical
hundred
you
100
unit
facility,
I,
think
if
I
understand
it
that
five
space
is
minimum
are
required.
G
Chair
Newman,
that
is
also
a
correct
three
specifically
for
the
units
up
to
really
it's
300
units
are
anticipated
to
be
in
these,
so
three
spaces
for
that
plus
two
specifically
for
the
management
office
right.
B
So
my
question
on
that
would
be
I
mean
a
five
space
requirement
would
assume
five
percent
customer
visit
at
one
time.
Are
there
ever
situations
or
what
would
happen
in
that
hypothetical
case?
If
customer
number
six
comes
along,
where
would
that
customer
Park.
G
So,
chairman,
thank
you
for
that
question
in
the
regulations.
Not
only
are
there
the
individual
parkings
standards,
but
we
also
required
a
separate
loading
facility
relative
to
the
size
of
the
building,
so
one
loading
zone
for
each
ten
thousand
square
foot
of
the
building
and
that
loading
zone
is
directly
attached
to
the
interior
Corridor.
That
would
lead
to
all
the
self
storage
facilities
in
the
building.
So
there
would
be
a
variety
of
ways
of
individuals
to
park
on-site,
okay,.
G
B
H
Just
had
one
follow-up
question:
I
am
to
understand
that
there
is
a
specific
plan,
number
16
which
applies
to
the
Amgen
Center
I,
don't
know
or
didn't
have
a
much
time
to
come
through
the
several
hundred
page
document,
but
I.
Imagine
Self
Storage
is
not
a
permitted
use
within
that
specific
plan.
Okay,.
I
I
To
a
degree,
the
specific
plans
do
equate
under
land
use
maps
to
the
M1
zoning
in
most
SP
documents
out
in
that
area,
sp-15
sb16
sp7.
They
all
relate
to
a
correlating
land
use
map.
So
if
it
has
the
M1
designation
there,
then
we
can
apply
it
there,
but
that
map
that
it's
got
prepared
with
designated
or
demonstrating
where
those
uses
could
be
allowed
in
those
areas.
H
Understood
and
then
just
an
editorial
for
the
rest
of
my
Planning
Commission
I,
just
looked
it
up
and
for
200
units
it
generates
36
trips
per
day,
so
over
the
span
of
24
hours,
you'll
expect
36
cars,
actually
18
Cars
one
to
go
in
and
one
to
go
out.
So
the
chances
of
needing
more
than
five
parking
spaces
or
200
units
is
slim
to
none.
So
it's
reasonable.
B
Thank
you
for
running
the
numbers.
I
appreciate
it
Commissioners
any
other
questions
of
staff,
very
good.
We
turn
now
to
public
comment.
We
have
two
public
speakers
this
evening,
so
you
will
have
up
to
five
minutes
a
piece
we
have
one
remote
speaker
and
one
public
speaker
who's
present
with
us,
we'll
we'll
begin
with
the
remote
speaker
just
because
I
got
that
first,
that
is
Brian
Miranda
and
for
the
record
Mr
Miranda.
We
ask
that
you
state
your
name
in
city
of
residence
good
evening
good
evening.
Can
you
hear
me?
C
Appreciate
it,
my
name
is
Brian
Miranda
regional,
vice
president
of
development
for
Public
Storage,
the
largest
owner
operator,
developer
of
storage
in
the
world
by
a
wide
margin,
I
oversee
new
store
development
and
Redevelopment
for
the
Western
U.S,
and
have
have
been
here
for
eight
years
doing
exactly
this
job
Commissioners.
You
had
some
excellent
questions,
comments
and
I
wish
I
could
address
them
in
four
and
a
half
remaining
minutes.
It's
going
to
be
tough
to
get
everything
in
there.
C
The
the
Outreach
that
has
been
stated
was
was
not
really
Outreach.
We
had
one
hour-long
conference
call
on
September,
23rd
and
I
received
the
same
presentation.
You
did
so
I'm
trying
to
address
this
quickly.
A
lot
of
good
questions.
Storage
per
capita
is
actually
the
the
you,
the
appropriate
term
for
the
industry.
A
number
of
facilities
is
meaningless
and
I
I
did
not
say
anything
about
rental
rate
I'm.
C
Just
trying
to
clear
up
some
of
these
questions
really
fast
before
I
get
to
the
the
body
of
this
I
also
stated
that
we're
at
95
occupancy
and
we're
at
95
occupancy
within
six
months
with
1200
units,
obviously
showing
the
significant
demand
in
the
in
the
city
in
the
surrounding
area.
I
did
object
clearly
and
I
guess
I'm
going
to
follow
up
with
written
objection
as
well.
After
this
meeting,
these
new
standards
will
preclude
additional
storage
development.
They
are
extremely
limiting
limiting
new
facilities
and
or
expansion
facilities.
One
of
the
Commissioners
mentioned.
C
Will
this
increase
costs?
It
absolutely
will
supply
demand
and
fewer
fewer,
less
Supply,
more
demand
prices
go
up,
including
retail
in
most
locations
where
storage
is
located,
results
in
either
vacant
retail
or
at
a
minimum
will
not
command
rent.
Therefore,
making
it
impractical
to
build
so
I
was
just
trying
to
address
some
of
those
comments,
really
quick,
so
I'm
trying
to
zoom
through
the
rest
of
this.
We
purchased
the
9.6
Acre
Site
known
as
the
Jaffa
facility.
C
Roughly
three
years
ago,
it's
comprised
of
roughly
150
000
square
feet
of
storage
and
43
3
000
square
feet
of
office.
Slash
industrial.
Our
new
facility
is
climate,
controlled,
secured
energy
efficient,
with
access
to
unitary
interior.
Only
property
is
mixed
use,
however,
it
isn't
mixed
use.
The
way
staff
is
requiring
we
always
intended
as
part
of
our
Redevelopment,
to
intensify
the
use
of
additional
storage.
For
man
continue
to
grow.
This
ordinance
makes
it
any
expansion
impossible.
C
Commissioners.
You
had
some
excellent
questions,
so
I
hit
that
rhs
are
typing.
At
the
same
time,
I'm
going
to
State
the
punch
line
first
and
Cindy
doesn't
want
more
potentially
productive
land
to
be
taken
up.
A
storage
I
understand
the
goal
and
therefore
limiting
new
facility
development
address
this
goal.
These
standards
make
it
effectively
impossible
to
develop
new
storage.
The
easy
answer,
however,
to
address
strong
demand
is
to
allow
existing
storage
uses
to
expand
to
meet
the
ever
increasing
storage
demand,
and
it's
clear
storage
demand
is
always
increasing.
C
C
There
are
two
major
issues
of
the
lack
of
Outreach
and
how
it
impacts
our
50
million
dollar
investment.
First,
our
use
is
now
going
to
be
legal
non-conforming
without
Outreach
or
discussion.
This
is
a
material
impact
to
our
property
rights.
Second,
with
collaboration,
we
could
have
helped
improve
what
you're.
Looking
at
today,
while
the
research
staff
performed
resulted
in
many
appropriate
conclusions.
There
are
various
issues
that
could
have
been
resolved
with
industry
participation,
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
staff
going
forward.
The
staff
report
executive
summary
highlights
the
research
performed
and
the
resulting
conclusions.
C
C
The
obvious
conclusion
with
how
fast
we
least
up
is
that
there
is
tremendous
demand
and
it's
it
and
shows.
There's
unmet
demand.
C
Storage,
isn't
an
economic
generator
well
not
directly
in
the
form
of
sales,
tax
or
jobs,
store
supports
businesses
to
be
more
efficient,
requiring
less
more
expensive
real
estate
such
as
office,
retail
examples,
Architects,
Engineers,
attorneys,
et
cetera,
have
records
to
keep
retailers
store,
excess
inventory
residents
store
their
snowboard
and
their
holiday
decorations
during
the
off
season,
otherwise
they
have
to
rent
an
extra
bedroom
and
with
new
multi-family
development
they
don't
include
storage
as
as
resident
residential
densifies.
C
Let's
see,
although
the
new
code
proposes,
we
can
expand
up
to
8
000
square
feet,
it's
not
practical.
The
caretakers
unit,
that's
not
industry
standard
anymore,
that's
been
gone,
the
requirement
of
ground
floor
retail
and
the
entire
Frontage
makes
it
impractical
we'd
have
to
tear
down
our
existing
facility
in
order
to
add
it.
C
I'm
very
close,
if
I,
if
you,
if
I,
might
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
101
we
front
the
101
and
a
maximum
of
two
acre
parcel
we're
9.6
Acres.
The
change
in
zoning
will
just
freeze
Us
in
time
to
be
clear.
We're
not
going
anywhere.
Ps
owns
the
facility.
The
first
facility
was
built
50
years
ago,
and
we
keep
them
all
so
it'll
just
stay
the
same
way.
It
is
like
really
like
to
engage
with
the
city
to
incorporate.
B
Thank
you,
but
before
you
go
Commissioners
are
there
any
questions
of
Mr
Miranda
I
I
have
one
you
mentioned,
sir,
that
these
changes
would
affect
Public
Storage,
it's
50
million
dollar
investment.
B
B
B
C
Roughly,
roughly
with
with
the
intent
to
you,
know,
have
further
Investments.
C
B
That
clarification,
okay,
we
move
next
to
Mr,
Alexander,
vegos
and
again,
sir.
Please
come
to
the
podium
and
we
ask
that
you
state
your
name
because
I
may
have
butchered
it
and
your
city
of
residence
good
evening.
E
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
Alex
Vegas
I
am
the
property
manager
in
the
on-site
caretaker
of
North
Ranch
Self
Storage
here
in
Thousand,
Oaks
and
I
live
on
site
at
the
facility.
I
would
like
to
express
the
opinion
of
myself
and
my
company
that
we
found
the
implementation
of
these
new
regulations
for
self-storage
industry
have
not
been
taken
into
account.
E
The
presentation
of
the
pro
from
prose
regulations
deemed
incomplete
distant
from
the
reality
of
the
current
means
of
operation
and
functionality,
and
lacked
an
in-depth
study
of
California
business
code
that
governs
our
industry.
These
regulations
create
an
unnecessary
burden
to
our
future
plans
of
expansion
and
on
any
other
companies
planning
to
expand
in
the
area.
E
This
proposal
was
Consul
was
created
without
consulting
industry
Professionals
in
the
region,
but
rather
going
from
Nationwide
studies
magazine
articles
and
general
website
information.
This
does
not
address
the
special,
the
specific
special
needs
in
each
community
and
each
state
as
well.
Feasibility
studies
were
left
out
from
the
presentation.
Information
as
well
as
professional
Insight
of
any
kind
Regional
analytics
are
not
valid
as
we
live
in
a
state
that
relies
on
commuter
commercialism.
E
The
excessive
requirements
proposed
are
more
aligned
to
a
small
mom-and-pop,
creating
it
hard
for
newer
companies
to
kind
of
expand
here.
Requirements
of
the
on-site
caretakers
becoming
a
thing
of
the
past,
as
many
facilities
across
the
country
are
moving
towards
kiosk
systems
requiring
new
facilities
to
incorporate
this
position
along
with
the
required
domicile
access
requirements
such
as
being
the
domicile
on
the
Frontage
of
the
road,
would
be
difficult
for
new
facilities
to
incorporate
or
if
we
were
to
expand
to
make
sure
that
we
are
complying
with
all
that.
E
The
primary
point
we're
trying
to
make
being
related
to
these
regulations
is
based
that
it
needs
to
be
reevaluated
that
we
need
to
go
into
this
with
some
local
industry
input.
B
B
L
Mr
kovitz,
but
you
heard
a
couple
speakers.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
make
it
clear
to
the
public
and
I
I
know
all
of
you
know
this,
but
it's
not
uncommon
that
as
a
city
evolves
they're
going
to
change
the
ordinances,
especially
in
the
zoning
code,
to
reflect,
need
new
needs,
new
plans
and
new
public
safety
features,
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
here.
L
So
the
comment
that
you've
created
legal
non-conforming-
that
is
true,
but
it's
not
uncommon
that
cities
grow
and
evolve,
that's
going
to
occur
at
times.
You
see
it
sometimes
with
a
sign
code,
you
see
it
with.
Obviously
this
is
a
perfect
example,
but
but
that
does
happen.
L
L
Then
they
made
a
second
action
to
adopt
that
second
part
of
that
moratorium
for
another
10
and
a
half
months
approximately,
and
so
when
they
do
that
they're
they
gave
instruction
to
staff
to
do
the
Outreach
to
do
the
investigation
to
do
the
research
and,
frankly,
the
comments
that
it's
been
10
and
a
half
months,
and
they
don't
know
about
this-
is
it's
shocking
when
we
had
that
whole
hearing
and
it
wasn't
something
that
just
went
underneath
the
table,
it
was
something
that
was
out
in
the
open
and
we
had
a
public
hearing,
two
public
hearings
and
a
lot
of
controversy
behind
it.
L
So
we
actually
had
that
it
was
on
everyone
knew
this
was
happening
and
that
we
were
working
towards
this.
The
other
fact
is
very
important
to
note
is
that
we
are
allowing
self-storage
facilities
in
our
city.
We
are
doing
it
now,
as
Mr
Colwood
said
the
way
it's
worded
right
now,
the
waves
there's
about
30
Parcels
that
can
be
developed.
That
is
true,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
not
impossible
that
these.
L
These
conditions
that
we're
putting
in
are
something
that
we
looked
at
in
the
standards
and
and
I'll
give
you
two
examples
that
were
made
from
the
two
comments
that
we
received
tonight.
One
of
them
was
the
person
said:
hey
I,
live
at
the
location,
I'm
a
caretaker
at
the
location
and
yet,
and
so
when
we
look
at
that
As
a
caretaker
issue.
L
That
is
a
a
condition
that
we're
putting
in
there
but
as
an
example
of
we
have
one
that
just
spoke
up
today
at
this
meeting
to
say
yes,
I
I
have
I'm
a
caretaker
at
a
location.
So
the
idea
that
that's
not
appropriate
to
me
just
doesn't
make
sense
when
the
fact
is
that
we
actually
have
those
examples
in
our
own
City.
So
it's
not
I
mean
it's
something
for
you
to
consider.
I'm,
not
saying
you
don't
have
to
you.
Don't
have
to
allow
that.
L
But
what
I'm
saying
is
that
it's
not
unusual
these
standards
that
that
stuff
stop
brought
before
you
are
not
unusual
that
we
brought
them
out
of
thin
air.
We
bring
them
to
you
out
of
thin
air
or
something
like
that.
The
other
one
was
HVAC
right,
that's
obviously
an
expense
and
and
staff.
We
I'm
going
to
tell
you
right
now:
the
staff
looked
at
that
as
interesting
condition
because
we
said
wow.
That's
that's
that's
expensive
right,
but
this
is
the
first
Speaker.
What
did
he
say?
The
first
thing
he
said
was
hey.
L
We
have
added
AC
or
HVAC
to
our
system.
Why?
Because
he
thought
it
made
sense
for
his
for
his
business
and
sure
enough.
We
think
that
that
would
make
sense
for
the
businesses.
If
you
have
self
storage,
you
know
the
heat
that
we
have
in
Southern
California.
Certainly
that
makes
sense
to
have
that
as
a
condition.
It's
not
unreasonable
to
add
that
as
a
condition
and
again
it's
before
you,
if
you
think
that
is
too
much
of
a
condition,
you
can
certainly
voice
that.
L
But
the
reason
why
we
brought
that
before
you
was
because
Mr
colwitz
and
his
team
did
all
this
research
and
made
the
investigation
did
reach
out
to
various
locations,
including
various
cities,
in
our
in
our
Ventura
County
and
surrounding
areas.
So
it's
not
like
we
didn't
do
the
research
and
did
the
effort,
and
so
I
I
guess
I'm
a
little
challenged
by
the
fact
that
this
is
new
to
anybody
because
of
all
the
Outreach
that
we
have
done
on
this
case.
So
those
are
two
very
important
parts
again.
Legal
non-conforming
is
not
uncommon.
L
When
you
have
a
change
in
your
zoning
code
and
the
fact
is
that
our
code
does
these
new
changes
do
allow
these
self
storage
facilities
to
come
into
play.
Yes,
have
we
have
we
put
it
into
a
little
bit
more
control,
more
architecture?
Yes,
more
of
a
impact
use
as
far
as
the
frontage.
Yes
did.
We
take
it
away
from
our
one-on-one
Corridor.
The
results
of
that
is
yes.
That
is
true.
We
have
done
that,
but
that's
with
reason
it's
not
with
making
it
up
it's
with
looking
at
our
needs.
L
Looking
at
what
we
want.
Looking
at
what
this
Council
directed
us
to
do,
and
then
looking
at
the
parcels
that
we
can
do,
M1,
Zone
and
M2
zone
is
a
perfect
area
for
these
things.
We're
taking
it
out
of
sp20,
which
again
in
SAS
position,
makes
complete
sense
to
do
that
and
we're
taking
out
a
commercial
which
again
is
not
an
unusual
thing
for
us
to
do
that
or
to
make
that
recommendation
again
again.
These
are
recommendations
for
you
to
consider
those
two
specific
subjects
are
within
your
control
to
say:
hey.
L
We
think
this
is
a
good
or
we
don't
think.
This
is
a
good
idea.
We
can
have
that
discussion,
but
as
far
as
a
surprise
or
as
far
as
a
you
know,
I
can't
believe
this
has
happened.
Kind
of
of
comment,
I
think,
that's
frankly,
not
from
the
facts
that
we've
had
and
the
time
that
we
put
into
this
thing.
L
It's
been
again
a
year
of
time
that
we've
been
or
not
a
year,
but
certainly
eight
months
of
pressure
in
this
forward,
pushing
this
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
again
council's
request
to
have
this
brought
before
them
before
that
first
year,
moratorium
ends
and
that's
what
staff
was
trying
to
do.
Mr
kovitz
I
apologize
for
that
taking
your
time
there.
But
if
you
have
any
more
comments,
please
feel
free
to
bring
those
forward.
G
B
K
K
G
L
B
Okay,
very
good,
all
right,
I
think
then
we
will
go
ahead
and
close.
The
public
hearing
and
I
will
now
open
up
the
floor
for
discussion
and
or
a
motion.
H
I
can
fully
support
the
restriction,
elimination
of
having
public,
not
Public,
Storage,
but
storage
facilities.
Many
Warehouse,
however,
you
want
to
call
it
within
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
specific
plan,
because
I
don't
think
that
meets
the
definition
of
the
spirit
of
what
was
envisioned
for
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard.
It's
not
the
highest
and
best
use
either
I
mean
we're
trying
to
encourage
commercial
development
short
of
the
the
retail
slash
restaurant
Frontage.
That
would
be
included.
That
would
be
20
feet
deep.
H
That's
honestly
about
all
I
can
support.
I
think
what
has
been
packed
into
this
is
is,
frankly,
just
a
little
too
onerous.
I.
Think,
commissioner
bus
made
the
comment
that
we
are
in
essence,
I
think
it
was
Commission
of
us
that
we
are
in
essence
compelling
a
specific
type
of
development
by
developing
these
regulations
and
assuming
that
the
kind
of
development
we
are
hoping
to
see
is
going
to
meet
these.
What
I
believe
to
be
very
onerous
definitions,
and
do
we
really
want
to
make
that
requirement?
Are
we
really
going
to
eliminate
capitalism?
H
In
essence,
I
mean?
Are
we
going
to
sort
of
pigeonhole
the
next
development
into
what
it
is
that
we
want
to
see?
And
how
far
do
we
take?
This
I
mean
first,
it's
storage
facilities.
Well,
where
do
we
go
next?
Obviously
we
can't
do
it
with
residential,
but
do
we
then
take
our
industrial
facilities
and
then
push
them
in
the
direction
that
we
want
to
see?
H
Well,
maybe
now
we
want
to
do
industrial
Condominiums
and
we
want
all
industrial
space
to
be
for
sale
units
as
opposed
to
rental,
or
what
have
you
I,
I,
just
I,
I
I
can't
see
myself
putting
these
kinds
of
restrictions
on
future
developments.
Granted
we
didn't
hear
a
large
swath
of
the
industry.
H
I
mean
we
do
have
what
15
facilities
in
the
city-
and
we
heard
from
two
of
them-
that's
generally
a
lot
better
than
what
we
hear
from
in
most
cases
where
we
have
representative
developments
in
the
city,
where
we
hear
very
few
comments,
most
of
the
time
is
residential,
but
we're
not
having
120
000
people
come
to
planning
commissions
and
and
in
giving
public
comment,
despite
the
fact
that
there
are
120,
000
people
living
here.
H
So
frankly,
that
we
heard
from
two
out
of
15
I
think
is
is
a
larger
percentage
than
we
generally
hear
from
with
respect
to
these
kinds
of
hearings
and
I.
I
do
take
that
to
heart.
I
think
that
that,
and
rather
than
pick
this
thing
apart,
I
mean
I
could
start
taking
off
the
things
that
I,
don't
think
should
be
in
here
or
should
be
optional.
H
The
operational
requirements
for
one
the
setbacks
with
respect
to
the
freeway
I
I'm,
not
sure
where
we
were
heading
with
regard
to
not
having
certain
facilities
in
view
of
the
freeway
there's
various
buildings
along
the
101
that,
frankly,
I
don't
want
to
look
at
this
building
included,
but
here
it
is
so
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
Thousand,
Oaks,
City
Hall
was
not
an
attractive
building.
It's
just
that's
just
me,
but
I
I
think
we've
just
put
too
much
on
this,
so
I
I,
with
the
exception
of
of
eliminating
Self
Storage
from
specific
plan.
H
Mean
unless
we
can
start
picking
at
this.
L
Is
that
so
I
think
it
would
have
to
be
a
recommendation
in
which
you
are
that
the
city
council
does
not
adopt
the
resolution,
an
ordinance
as
presented
by
staff,
so
you're
right?
Okay,
your
your
motion
is
specifically
to
say
no
to
the
recommendation
that
staff
presumed
presented
to
you
and
that
would
include
finding
an
exempt
and
also
including
the
amendments
to
the
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard,
specific
plan,
Thousand
Oaks,
Municipal,
Code
and
as
further.
L
So
with
that
I
think
I
did
hear
from
Mr
Link
some
of
his
reasoning
behind
it.
So
that
is
what
you
have
before
you.
As
far
as
the
motion.
B
J
I
I
was
actually
afraid
to
speak
first,
because
I
thought
somebody
would
give
the
motion
and
then
I'd
speak
against
it.
But
since
Mr
Link
started,
I
am
kind
of
in
the
same
boat
as
Mr
Link
I
do
understand
the
motivation
for
limiting
the
number
of
storage
spaces
that
are
built,
because,
obviously
we
don't
want
to
become
a
warehouse
Community,
but
the
things
that
I
was
thinking
about
is
we
are
advocating
for
the
building
of
a
significant
number
of
high
density
properties.
J
Some
of
the
properties
that
we've
been
looking
at
are
as
small
as
you
know,
a
few
hundred
square
feet
for
people
I,
don't
think
these
are
places
where
people
are
going
to
live
their
entire
lives,
but
I've
had
a
garage
for
30
years
and
it
is
a
godsend
for
me
because
at
various
times
in
my
life,
I've
needed
to
store
things
there
right
now.
J
My
garage
contains
all
of
the
entire
contents
of
my
stepson's
life
because
he's
been
living
with
me
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
and
so
I
do
not
know
the
market
rates
for
storage
facilities,
just
because
of
the
the
privilege
that
I
have
a
house
a
single
family
home,
but
we
are
going
to
be
building
a
significant
amount
of
housing
here
that
won't
contain
those
things
the
state
is
talking
about.
Eliminating
parking
requirements
in
general,
cars
may
go
by
the
wayside
over
the
next
35
to
40
years.
J
People
won't
have
garages
and
we
don't
build
basements
here.
So
I
am
thinking
in
in
those
terms
that
it
could
be
quite
possible
that
storage
spaces
become
infinitely
more
valuable,
as
time
goes
on,
for
the
reasons
that
some
people
have
described.
I
also
know
that
I'm
involved
on
the
boards
of
two
non-profit
groups
that
have
storage
spaces
and
they're,
very
specifically
because
of
the
the
equipment
involved
for
putting
on
our
fundraising
events
for
all
the
the
materials
we
need.
J
F
So
I
am
not
a
fan
of
telling
people
what
to
do
with
their
property,
I
believe
in
the
rights
of
people
to
actually
do
with
their
property
what
they
want
to
do
subject
to
obviously
reasonable
restrictions.
If
we
look
at
the
city
again
I'm
as
old
as
a
city
in
1964.,
we
were
again
a
Goods
economy,
and
then
we
developed
into
a
service
economy
where
Public
Storage
became
a
very
popular
concept
and
popped
up
all
over
the
place.
F
F
Why
I
liked
a
lot
of
the
zoning
things
we
did
before
in
terms
of
trying
to
find
ways
to
accommodate
what
we're
looking
for
and
obviously
keep
in
mind
what
the
state's
looking
for
in
this
situation,
commissioner
Lincoln
commissioner
bus
have
pointed
out
very
valid
points
and
I
don't
want
to
undermine
those.
My
two
cents,
though,
is,
is
Mr
Miranda
and
Mr
Vegas
we're
talking
about
potential
speculative
expansions
that
were
not
before
us.
F
There
is
nothing
before
us
as
to
what
they
may
do
in
the
future
as
to
expanding
so
I'm,
not
in
my
opinion,
prepared
to
discuss
the
potentials
of
expansions
that
haven't
been
submitted
and
there's
no
other
people
that
submitted
potential
plans.
There's
nobody
else
that
objected
that
looks
to
build
a
new
facility.
That's
upset,
including
the
one
that
was
subject
of
limitation
by
virtue
of
the
moratorium,
then
they're,
not
here
they're,
the
ones
that
would
be
the
most
upset
I
would
think
by
virtue
of
what
we're
doing
here
tonight.
F
So
that's
not
before
me
so
I'm,
looking
more
at
you
know,
are
we
limiting
things
in
a
way,
that's
reasonably
necessary
to
pursue
what
our
agenda
and
goals
are
and
we're
doing
in
a
way
that
actually
provides
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
And
yes,
there's
a
lot
of
rules
here
and
again,
I
think
Mr
colwitz
indicated
we
would
be
not
aggressive.
What
was
the
robust
I
think
is
what
you
you
indicated
with
some
of
the
rules,
and
that
is
true.
The
the
difficulty,
though,
is
we
don't
have
space
anymore.
F
We
are
out
of
space,
we're
out
of
space
for
a
lot
of
different
things,
including
housing,
and
if
we
don't
find
a
way
to
do
things
in
a
way
that
limits
yeah
some
kind
of
businesses,
we
do
that
all
the
time
with
marijuana
dispensaries.
We
do
it
all
the
time
with
various
other
types
of
businesses
that
we
limit,
where
they
can
go,
how
they
can
go
and
how
they
are
able
to
operate.
F
Yes,
it
creates
undue
burden.
Sometimes
I
appreciate
that
at
the
same
point,
I
don't
want
to
end
up
not
having
a
rule.
That
then
allows
this
to
be
built
on
Thousand,
Oaks
Boulevard,
that
the
state
then
comes
down
and
says
sorry,
you
can't
do
that
and
all
of
a
sudden,
all
of
these
rules
that
we
have
to
try
to
preserve
our
city
go
down
the
Wayside
and
we're
subject
to
the
state's
one-size-fits-all
rule.
F
So
I
understand
the
concern
at
the
same
point,
I'm
balancing
those
issues
in
terms
of
ultimately,
what
is
the
best
in
interest,
in
my
opinion,
for
our
city,
and
it
is
to
have
some
again
reasonable
process
by
which
to
put
the
public
storage
facilities
in
a
way
that
actually
gives
the
best
chance
of
them
fitting
in
with
the
community.
Again,
as
the
even
the
speakers
indicated,
there's
a
huge
demand
I
get
that
there's
by
the
way,
there's
a
huge
demanded
people
to
live
here.
F
30
percent,
more
people
I
think
want
to
actually
live
here
than
can
that
doesn't
mean
well
all
of
a
sudden.
We
start
building
10-story
buildings
along
Thousand,
Oaks,
Boulevard
same
thing,
I'm,
not
looking
to
make
sure
that
every
single
person
looking
for
Public
Storage
actually
is
able
to
get
a
space.
No,
it's
not
10
stories,
it's
only
six!
So
in
that
sense,
yes,
there's
there's
limitations
here,
but
again,
I'm
not
going
to
base
my
decision
on
speculative
and
by
the
way,
the
the
by
the
way.
Thank
you
to
both
of
your
companies.
F
Speakers
for
investing
in
our
city,
I
would
say,
though
you
got
the
benefit
because
of
the
project
you
actually
built.
If
it
is,
50
million
dollars
is
sure
Newman
inquired
that
was
based
on
the
existing
facility
they
built.
So
that's
the
benefit
they're
getting
from
that
yeah
to
say,
I'm,
losing
money
on
a
future
expansion
that
really
isn't
fair
because
that's
not
before
us
and
and
it's
not
something
that
we
should
have
to
consider
as
part
of
our
evaluation
process.
F
So
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
looking
at
terms
of
lots
of
different
businesses
and
homes
and
residential
and
everything.
We're
looking
at
zoning
I
think
this
is
a
reasonable
accommodation
to
put
them
in
areas
that
actually
make
the
most
sense.
I
don't
want
them
all
of
a
sudden
on
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
next
to
residential,
which
again
I'm
fearful
is
what
would
happen
if
we
did
nothing
so
I'm
going
to
vote
against
the
motion.
I
think
is
the
way
it
would
go.
K
I'm
hearing
everybody's
arguments
for
and
against
and
and
my
impulse
is,
we
have
this
moratorium,
that's
about
to
expire
and
I
agreed
with
the
moratorium.
I
think
we
need
to
keep
our
business
corridor.
Those
properties
at
the
highest
and
best
use
and
public
storage
does
not
belong.
There
I
agree
with
this
city
with
that
I'm
concerned
that
if
we
don't
act
now,
excuse.
K
Good
residents
they're
great
absolutely,
you
know
I'm
talking
about
self
storage
in
general.
We
don't
want
them
on
our
business,
Corridor
and
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
extend
the
moratorium.
While
we
go
through
the
adjustment
of
our
Municipal
ordinances
that
we're
working
on
now
or
not
I,
don't
know,
maybe
that's
a
question
for
Mr
he
her.
If
we
can
extend
the
moratorium
again,
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
I
do
feel.
I
agree
with
you
also
that
it
is
a
little
bit
onerous,
but
you
have
to
weigh
that
with.
K
L
So
I
mean
my
difficulty
right
now
is
that
you
have
a
motion
pending
on
the
table,
and
so
that's
why
usually
I
wouldn't
speak
I
think
the
answer
is
that
Council
can
make
a
decision
to
extend
a
moratorium
if
they
want
to
I
will
just
say
that
staff
was
directed
to
bring
something
in
front
of
council
before
the
first
moratorium
or
the
one
year.
Moratorium
expired,
and
that
was
a
direction
that
staff
received.
L
K
Okay,
I
think
so.
Thank
you.
So
I'm
really
torn
I'd
like
to
hear
our
chairs
comments
before
I
make
any
kind
of
a
decision
right
now.
B
Okay,
I
I
just
want
to
underscore
something.
Mr
Heater
just
said,
noting
that
the
option
of
extending
the
moratorium
is
not
a
power.
This
commission
has
to
Grant
and
it's
not
the
question
before
us.
What
is
before
us
right
now
is
commissioner
Link's
motion
to
reject
the
set
of
recommendations
in
total,
yes
or
no.
We
should
we
should
reject
them
or
or
not.
That's
that's
the
the
question
we're
debating.
B
Right
right,
I
want
to
begin
by
pushing
back
a
bit
on
the
idea
that
it's
somehow
novel
or
unusual
to
compel
a
specific
use.
B
I,
don't
think
anyone
here
would
be
too
terribly
happy
if
they
woke
up
tomorrow
and
found
there
was
a
construction
company
building
a
hog
slaughtering
plant
or
a
nuclear
waste
processing
plant
next
door
to
their
house,
and
the
reason
that
those
uses
don't
occur
is
because
we
have
a
thing
called.
Zoning
and
property
rights
and
Zoning
is
literally.
Why
we're
here
and
what
the
planning
department
and
what
this
commission
is
established
to
do?
B
It's,
not
it's
not
it's
not
the
case
that
zoning
will
quote:
eliminate
capitalism,
Adam
Smith,
who
was
widely
acknowledged
as
the
father
of
lazy,
Fair
capitalism,
never
once
advocated
for
a
free
market.
He
advocated
for
a
fair
market
and
he
wrote
advocating
for
the
use
of
some
government
control.
He
was
not
a
heavy-handed
government
type
to
be
sure,
but
he
wanted
markets
to
be
fair
and
he
recognized
that
there
was
a
proper
role
in
regulation.
B
B
With
regard
to
the
motion
before
us,
I
I
too
see
merits
on
both
sides,
I'm
concerned
about
the
inflationary
potential
of
limiting
the
number
of
self
storage
facilities.
We
have.
We
we
all
have
too
much
stuff.
We
all
want
to
put
stuff
places.
B
We
all
are
going
to
have
less
space
if
what
we
think
is
about
to
happen
with
that
with
housing
may
happen,
and
that
would
that
is
probably
a
very
nice
problem
for
our
existing
self-storage
business
owners
to
have,
but
it
it
does
restrict
options
for
the
consumer,
and
that
is
an
unintended
consequence.
I
think
we
should
be
concerned
about
I
also
am
mindful
of
as
a
business
owner
myself
of
putting
too
much
of
an
undue
burden
on
any
business.
B
I'm,
not
I,
wouldn't
be
happy
about
that
where,
where
I
in
either
of
our
speakers
shoes
tonight
at
the
same
time,
in
my
opinion,
I,
don't
think
the
changes
that
have
been
proposed
are
unreasonable.
As
Mr
here
stated,
they
do
allow
existing
businesses
to
operate
and
and
within
limits
to
modify
their
businesses
to
expand
their
businesses
without
without
additional
permitting
or
that
without
additional
review
by
this
Commission,
and
then,
if
they
really
want
to
expand,
they
can.
B
But
there
are
a
set
of
new
regulations
that,
in
my
judgment,
would
be,
would
be
reasonable
and,
as
we've
heard
from
other
places
have
been
achieved
in
some
other
municipalities.
B
The
other,
the
other
point
I
want
to
push
back
against
too
is
is
there's.
Some
there's
been
some
suggestion
that
these
standards,
somehow
can't
be
met
and
and
have
a
business,
still
be
economically
feasible.
We've
heard
that
line
before
we
we've
had
pushback
from
developers
of
residential
and
multi-use
multi-family
and
multi-use
projects.
B
They
may
they
may
actually
incent
new
and
more
lucrative
uses
and
and
for
that
reason
I
think
I
will
join.
Commissioner
Latson
and
possibly
commissioner
McMahon,
possibly
not
I,
don't
know
in
voting
to
reject
the
rejection.
Is
that
the
vote?
No?
On
the
on
the
motion,
let
me
put
it
that
way.
Commissioner
McMahon.
K
Okay,
so
in
weighing
everybody's
comments
and
I
do
appreciate
everybody's
comments,
they
were
very
insightful.
My
thought
process
now
is
I.
Do
want
to
stop
the
construction
of
Public
Storage
along
the
business
quarter.
K
Self-Story
did
I
do
that
again:
Josh
I'm,
so
sorry,
I,
so
sorry,
Self
Storage
along
the
business
Court,
Corridor
I,
think
that's
really
important
to
the
way
I
see
the
business
district
in
the
future
and
with
the
reassurance
that
the
businesses
that
are
doing
business
now
can
continue
along
the
way
and
not
knowing
what
the
future
holds
for
them.
K
B
H
Just
figured
while
we're
on
the
subject
of
fair
capitalism,
two
points,
one
just
on
my
cursory
analysis
of
attachment
three
as
compared
to
attachment
six
and
seven.
There
is
one
existing
self-storage
facility
that
could
expand
without
basically
hitting
the
moratorium
or
not
a
or
or
that
would
have
the
ability
to
expand
that
isn't
within
the
500
or
1000
foot
setback.
So
one
so
I,
don't
know
if
that
completely
precludes
their
ability
to
expand
at
all
or
they're
limited
to
the
8
000
square
feet
and
we
already
closed
the
public
testimony.
H
So
I
probably
can't
ask
staff
any
questions,
but
we
did
but
yeah
so
just.
H
H
No,
that's
okay,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
say
it's
a
process,
that's
where
we
are
at
this
moment.
As
long
as
we're
on
the
subject,
I
I
think
that
you're
taking
430
parcels
and
whittling
it
down
to
37,
isn't
necessarily
fair,
so
I
don't
want
to
misconstrue
or
say
that
yes,
we've
been
down
this
road
and
we
we
limit
what
we
do
with
zoning,
but
it's
a
false
equivalency
to
say
that
I'm
gonna
put
a
abattoir
next
to
my
house
and
be
very
mad
about
it.
H
B
A
A
A
Yes,
okay,
commissioner
Lanson.
F
F
B
B
Thank
you,
I,
don't
think
we're
done
here.
If
we,
if
we
choose
to,
we
can
stop
right
here
or
we
can
continue
discussion.
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
are
done.
But
if
there
is
interest
among
the
Commissioners,
we
can
either
continue
discussion
and
or
have
another
motion.
J
I
think
we're
at
the
point
where
Regional
people
are
capable
of
disagreeing
about
this
and
I
think
we're
all
pretty
comfortable
with
our
positions.
I
know
that
link,
it
seems
to
me,
commissioner,
link
is
very
comfortable
at
this
point,
and
I
still
have
the
reservations,
I
have
and
I
think
a
split
vote
going
up
to
city
council
actually
will
encourage
them
to
kind
of
delve
deeper
into
the
questions
we
had
and
carry
with
them.
F
I
I
agree
with
commissioner
boss
I
think
this
we've
done
I
think
a
very
good
job
of
going
over
all
the
issues.
In
fact,
I
think
Mr
Miranda
was
impressed
with
all
the
questions
we
asked.
I
hope
city
council
does
review
this
and
go
through
our
issue.
I
will
go
ahead
and
move
to
approve
the
staff
report,
as
indicated.
B
B
I
agree
that
that
these
would-be
burdens
for
someone
as
as,
but
that's
that's
what
we're
here
for
so
I,
concur
that
that
it
would
send
a
message
to
council
to
to
go
ahead
and
have
a
vote
the
other
way,
but
but
that
would
that
would
help
register
your
objection.
Absolutely.
H
B
L
F
B
Okay,
I'll
note
that
there
is
no
appeal
period
on
a
recommendation
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
the
council.
I
do
want
to
thank
our
public
speakers
for
appearing
tonight.
B
I
appreciate
that
you're
doing
business
here
and
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
again
have
sympathy
with
commissioner
Link's
comments
that
we
we
want
this
to
be
a
good
business
environment
for
you.
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
staff
and
again
welcome
Mr
Carl,
Woods,
good
job
I'm
glad
you're
here.
Thank
you
very
good.
Moving
on
I
see
we
have
no
Department
reports,
not.
D
B
F
Thank
you,
chairman,
just
a
quick
message
to
the
public
who
may
be
looking
the
the
voting
guide
that
you
got
in
the
mail
is
rather
thick.
The
mail
in
ballot
you're
going
to
get
in
the
next
few
days
is
probably
going
to
be
very
thick
as
well.
Please
please
take
the
time
to
go
through
it,
research,
it
don't
just
basically
go
off.
You
know.
Yes,
no!
Yes,
no!
Please
look
at
the
issues.
There's
a
lot
of
propositions.
F
B
D
Yes,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
coming
up
on
October
11th,
the
city
council
meeting
tomorrow
night.
In
fact,
there'll
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
sb9
involving
efforts
to
increase
housing.
Supply
on
October
25th
they'll
also
have
a
public
hearing
on
this
self-storage
item
and
a
public
hearing
will
be
held
on
a
building
code
update
and
the
departmental
report
on
many
mansions
Bella
Vista
refinancing
and
the
fire
code
update
they're
all
on
the
consent
calendar
for
the
25th
for
the
Planning
Commission
upcoming
on
October
24th.