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Thousand Oaks Planning Commission Meeting - 10/24/22
Agenda and Request to Speak at the Meeting:
https://www.toaks.org/departments/city-clerk/boards-commissions/planning-commission/planning-commission-agenda
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Welcome
Mr
Gomez,
we're
glad
you're
here
normally
at
this
part
of
the
agenda.
We
would
hear
public
comments
on
items
that
are
not
on
our
agenda,
but
I
understand
from
our
secretary.
We
have
no
public
comments
this
evening,
so
we
will
move
on
to
our
consent
calendar,
which
contains
the
minutes
of
our
October
10th
2022
meeting.
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Hearing
having
been
advertised
is
required
by
law
is
hereby
open
to
consider
agenda
item
7A
residential
plan
development,
minor
modification
rpmn
2022-70667
to
allow
demolition
of
an
existing
2526
square
foot,
two-story
home
and
815
square
foot
pool
house
to
accommodate
the
construction
of
a
new
6593
square
foot
two-story
home,
resulting
in
an
increase
of
the
total
floor
area
by
261
percent
of
the
previously
existing
dwelling.
The
project
is
categorically
exempt
SQL
guidelines,
section
50
15303
as
a
Class
2
and
class
3
exemption
located
at
2546
Oak
Shore
Drive,
the
applicant
is
Jeff
melichar.
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E
This
lot
is
a
hundred
feet
wide
which,
as
you
can
see,
is
double
the
size
of
the
adjacent
Lots,
which
are
only
about
50
feet
wide
at
some
point
in
the
past,
this
lot
was
divided
into
two
lots,
and
then
the
land
division
was
reversed
through
another
application,
and
then
they
built
the
pool
house.
So
it
is
it's
the
way
it
the
size
of
it.
Right
now
is
how
it
currently
sits
as
a
double
wide
lot.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
The
first
floor
would
be
built
a
minimum
of
five
feet
from
the
side
property
line,
so
the
applicant
here
is
proposing
that
an
eight
foot
high
Garden
Wall
along
the
right,
Westerly
side
property
line
in
order
to
preserve
the
adjacent,
neighbors,
private
side
yard
area
that
exists
with
the
existing
subject,
dwelling
having
been
built
on
the
with
a
zero
side
yard
setback
the
next.
The
next
slide
here
has
a
photo
of
that
neighbor's
Courtyard.
E
E
B
F
F
F
E
F
F
Lot
and
the
last
with
regard
to
the
Garden
Wall
I,
noticed
in
their
staff
report.
It
said
that
it's
looking
for
an
eight
foot
wall
Which
is
higher
than
it
says
the
maximum
allowable
height
do.
We
need
any
kind
of
variance
then
from
our
current
codes
to
allow
that
wall
or
how
is
that
going
to
then
be
approved
if
it's
higher
than
what's
allowed.
E
Six
foot
high
walls
are
generally
what's
allowed,
but
this
application
is
a
minor
modification
application
which
allows
for
staff
to
process
up
to
half
of
the
current
of
an
increase
of
up
to
half
of
the
allowed
wall.
So
technically
they
could
go
up
to
nine
feet,
but
the
only
the
request
is
only
for
eight.
F
D
Yeah
I'd
like
to
follow
his
questions
because
I
my
questions
were
in
the
same
vein:
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it
correctly.
So
I'm
going
to
repeat
back
to
you
what
I
think
I
understand
and
you're
going
to
tell
me.
Yes,
the
the
eight
foot
tall
wall
is
as
per
request
of
the
neighbor
on
that
side,
who's
used
to
having
a
home
there,
that's
correct,
correct
and,
and
that
can
be
approved
administratively.
It's
not
our
problem
on
the
Planning
Commission,
correct,
okay,
perfect
that
answers
that
my
other
question
was.
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E
My
understanding
is
that
it
was
bought
as
a
one
one
100
foot
wide
lot
and
then
they
applied
for
a
land
division,
split
it
into
two
built,
the
main
dwelling
and
then
applied
to
remove
the
split
and
combine
it
back
again,
and
then
they
added
the
detached
pool
house,
because
the
detached
pool
house
is
an
accessory
structure.
It
has
to
be
accessory
to
a
main
dwelling
yeah,
okay,.
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E
Usually,
with
demolition
I
mean
it
in
this
particular
case,
it
has
to
happen.
I
would
assume
that
the
contractor
hired
to
do
it
would
be
pretty
careful
about
not
as
to
not
disturb
the
adjacent
dwellings
and
just
remove
the
structure
that
is
there
to
be
removed,
but
normally
that
is
supervised
by
the
contractor
and
reviewed
by
a
building
inspector
too
assure
that
it's
been
done
and
there's.
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H
So
if
it
didn't
have
this
major
increase
in
the
size-
and
it
was
an
administrative
review
that
administrative
person,
the
director,
for
example,
of
CDD-
could
actually
approve
that
up
to
nine
foot
under
our
code,
since
it's
a
minor
mod
coming
to
the
Planning
Commission,
it's
within
this
purview
for
them
to
this
is
part
of
the
application
that
you
can
go
up
to
eight
feet,
and
your
question
is
a
variance
it
is.
You
are
allowed
under
the
code
to
extend
it
up
to
nine
feet.
Well,.
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H
They
correct
whatever
they
want,
but
correctly
So.
The
plan
submitted
the
plant
set
has
that
weight
for
wall
in
there.
The
second
point
is
just
for
clarification
to
Mr
command
before
as
part
of
this
island
area.
They
do
allow
zero
lot
line,
so
that
is
part
of
it,
with
this
building
they're
going
to
actually
create
that
five
foot
setback
which
creates
this
issue
with
the
wall.
H
To
your
other
question,
obviously,
when
someone
is
doing
construction
and
they
damage
somebody
else's
property,
there
could
be
liability
ability
for
that
construction
unless
it
was
based
on
some
other
attributable
fault
right,
whether
it's
a
contractor,
whether
it's
you
know
something
else
that
could
happen
whatever
the
facts
are.
Okay.
I
I,
just
have
one
question
so
and
I
try
to
do
some
digging
I
found
one
other
staff
report
online.
That
mentioned
it,
but
I
wasn't
able
to
actually
find
a
copy
of
resolution
11369,
but
is
my
understanding
that
the
HOA
in
essence
really
has
no
purview
over
the
design
of
the
building?
It's
the
resolution
that
was
established
through
this
planned
development
that
actually
governs
the
architectural
standards.
I
Correct,
that's
correct,
so
we
hold
all
the
keys.
Yes,
okay.
The
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
say
is
that
I
I
did
actually
pull
the
track
map,
so
this
was
recorded
as
two
watts
in
1971.
It
was
then
merged
in
1977,
so
it
was
originally
two
odds.
It
was
then
merged
in
77.
It
has
been
that
way
since
so
it's
been
a
while,
but
anyway
just
clarification.
F
You
chair
I,
just
one
more
follow-up.
Actually,
the
reason
I
haven't
asked
about
the
the
Lots
is
that
there
are
some
strange
situations.
I
get
sometimes
in
my
day,
job
where
one
house
is
built
over
two
lots
that
creates
a
problem
in
terms
of
if
51
is
on
one
side
in
terms
of
the
lender,
liens
and
stuff.
Like
that,
that's
why
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
one
lot:
real,
quick
question
and
it's
a
unique
property,
because
obviously
laventa
is
the
county
line.
The
two
properties
that
you
indicated
that
uses
two
lots.
F
F
B
I'm
asking
this
question
not
to
indicate
favor
or
disfavor
of
the
application,
but
because
it
is
certain
to
come
up
when
the
public
hears
about
what
we
decide
or
don't
decide
this
evening,
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
very
severe
drought.
Why?
Why
are
we
building
a
6,
500
square
foot
house
at
this
time
and
is
there
adequate
water
to
support
that
house.
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E
B
C
Dugan,
yes,
Mr
chairman
I,
also
like
to
add
that
this
will
also
require
new
Landscaping
on
under
the
new
higher
quality
and
much
more
restrictive
low
water
usage
requirements
of
the
state
and
the
cities
adopted
recently.
So,
even
though
it's
a
larger
building,
you
know
the
utilization
of
the
water
will
probably
be
a
lot
less,
because
the
landscape
requirements
would
be
much
more
stringent.
B
Okay,
so
so
we
think
that
the
the
new
Landscaping
well,
one
the
footprint
of
the
Landscaping
I
presume-
would
be
much
lower
than
the
current
building,
because
the
footprint
of
the
house
is
so
much
larger
right,
but
but
the
the
net
result
is
the
area
that
that
does
require
watering.
The
Landscaping
that
does
require
watering
would
be
much
more
water
efficient
than
what
we
currently
have
is,
that
is
that
understanding,
correct,
correct,
okay
and
then
my
other
question
is
the
same
same
question
with
regard
to
the
project
plan.
B
E
C
E
E
B
B
I
B
I
think
it
would
be
an
opportune
time
to
move
to
our
applicant,
so
presenting
for
our
applicant
this
evening
is
Brian
Lerman
and
Mr
Lemon.
We
ask
that
you
introduce
yourself
and
state
your
your
name
in
city
of
residence
and
you
have
up
to
15
minutes.
If
you
need
it
to
to
give
your
presentation
good
evening.
J
Good
evening
I'm
Brian
Lerman
I
reside
in
Simi
Valley.
Our
office
is
here
in
Thousand,
Oaks
I'm,
one
of
the
principals
of
Arc
Design
Group,
who
happily
is
here
to
present
on
behalf
of
the
homeowner
who,
unfortunately
couldn't
be
here
this
evening
and
hopefully
answer
questions
and
go
through
our
process
a
little
bit.
So
now
that
I've
heard
the
discussion
can
hopefully
put
your
minds
at
ease.
J
We've
spent
a
number
of
months
working
on
this.
Obviously,
to
get
it
to
this
point,
and
thank
you,
Mr
Gomez,
for
your
assistance.
Through
this
process,
that's
been
a
great
assistance
to
us
planning
department.
We
work
with
them
in
and
out
of
all
projects.
So
for
us
that's
great.
This
is
a
very
unique
piece
of
land
and
we
feel
blessed
to
be
able
to
design
the
home
for
this
site.
J
The
items
that
you
just
can't
get
done
in
one
of
the
narrower
parcels
and
fortunately
the
homeowner
has
allowed
us
to
take
this
project
to
a
comfortable
size
in
our
opinion
that,
even
though
it
sounds
large,
if
you
think
about
it-
and
this
was
divided
into
two
lots-
there
could
be
9
000
square
feet
sitting
here
versus
the
size
that
it
is
based
upon
maximizing
each
individual
lot
by
addressing
the
house
to
like
you
heard
it
doesn't
have
excessive
bedrooms.
It
has
a
nice
public
area.
J
It
has
very
large
setbacks
that
assist
the
adjacent
homeowners
to
to
the
east
is
a
zero
lot
line
and
to
address
some
of
the
questions,
we
have
a
10-foot
setback
on
our
first
floor
to
that
zero
lot
line,
which
is
kind
of
unheard
of
on
the
West
Lake
Island,
to
have
something
that
isn't
a
zero
lot
line
at
10
feet
and
then
to
the
back
of
the
parcel.
It's
even
larger.
J
Our
second
floor
is
set
back
20
feet
and
it's
not
the
entire
length
of
the
home,
because
our
entire
garage
and
mud
room
is
one
story.
So
they've
been
blessed
with
this
concept
of
having
this
individual
house
being
built
versus
a
two-story
wall
up
against
their
zero
lot
line,
so
that
works
really
well.
On
the
west
side,
we
did
have
discussions,
and
actually
the
resident
is
here,
coincidentally,
and
met
with
their
concerns
for
privacy,
which
we
completely
respect
on.
J
J
The
discussion
with
the
adjacent
homeowner
went
into
a
lot
of
detail
and
and
pointing
and
looking
at
areas
and
assisting
with
the
what
we
could
with
just
describing
the
massing
that's
going
to
occur.
We
do
have
a
five
foot
setback
for
a
very
small
Bay
Area
and
then
we're
seven
feet
for
the
rest
of
the
first
floor
along
that
side
yard,
which
is
kind
of
also
a
blessing
for
for
a
zero
lot
line.
Consideration
because
the
house
has
set
back
so
much.
J
The
wall
concept
is
really
essential
to
respect
their
privacy,
that
eight
foot
wall
and
after
meeting
with
them
or
meeting
with
her
and
walking
through
it.
It
was
clear
and
we
didn't
have
any
opposition
even
to
the
extent
that
I
shared
back
with
the
homeowner,
our
client,
that
that
should
be
initially
done
right
after
demo.
There's
no
reason
you
know,
construction
is
going
to
take
a
while
on
the
project
that,
right
after
the
demolition
of
the
existing
home
with
the
zero
lot
line
is
completed.
That
wall
can
be
permitted
and
built
prior
to
anything
else.
J
J
The
rear
yard,
as
I
was
suggesting
in
what
we
were
able
to
accomplish,
takes
us
from
what
typically
is
done
and
the
other
homes
that
we've
done,
where
we
have
a
27
or
27
foot,
six
setback
for
rear
house
line
from
the
water
line
or
24
6
from
property
line.
There's
there's
different
setbacks,
depending
on
whether
you're
looking
at
City
setbacks
or
HOA
setbacks
that
we
have
to
comply
with
both
it's
not
one
or
the
other.
J
We've
wrapped
it
in
such
a
way
that
there's
some
legs
on
both
sides
to
protect
them
and
to
protect
each
neighbor
on
both
sides.
Both
sides
of
the
lot
when,
when
they're
out
in
the
backyard
and
then
even
across
the
back,
where
the
kitchen
window
is,
we
have
a
36
foot.
Setback
which
is
just
you
know,
like
I,
said
I
feel
blessed
to
be
able
to
design
this.
J
Because
for
somebody
to
live
in
a
home
like
this,
once
it's
completed
is
kind
of
a
rare
opportunity
to
have
those
extra
amenities
that
most
of
the
homes
just
can't
get.
We
also
in
the
garage
concept
we
didn't
want
to
go
crazy.
We
wanted
extra
parking
because
it
is
a
special
parcel,
but
instead
of
running
four
garage
doors
exposed,
we
did
one
in
tandem.
So
it
looks
like
part
of
the
house
and
we
presented
three
so
that
it's
not
out
of
scale
and
overwhelming
a
lot
of
the
homes
have
two
cars
plus
some
have
lifts.
H
D
H
H
B
D
Yeah
yeah
so
we're
including
the
walls
just
we're
not
saying
the
order
correct,
but
he
is
all
right
and
then
my
biggest
question
is
I.
Think
I
was
already
mentioned.
The
property
is
listed
for
sale,
currently
you're
representing
the
current
owner
in
this
design
right
correct.
Are
you
under
the
impression
I
know
you
can't
guarantee
this,
but
are
you
under
the
impression
this
is
going
to
be
built
and
then
the
property
is
going
to
be
sold
that
way
or
is
it
already
currently
listed
for
sale,
as
is
all.
J
Of
the
above,
so
the
market
has
changed.
The
homeowner
has
the
intent
to
build
this
and
live
in
it.
Obviously,
something
special.
If
there's
the
right
buyer
I
can't
say
that
somebody
wouldn't
sell
it.
The
intent
is
to
build
it
and
live
in
it
and
that's
what
we've
been
hired
to
do.
This
home
has
specifics
for
their
family
and
their
needs.
We've
designed
rooms
to
you
know
accomplish
their
their
wish
list.
Basically,
so
whether.
J
It
would
be
sold
based
upon
somebody
recognizing
its
special
qualities.
That's
that's
always
the
case
why
he
listed
it.
I
didn't
I,
wasn't
aware
that
it
was
listed
to
tell
you
the
truth,
because
we've
been
working
with
him
hand
in
hand-
and
he
knows
we're
here
tonight,
so
I
think
it's
possibly
just
open
for
a
possibility
based
upon
Market
shifts.
Okay,
you
know
this
is
a
big
commitment
for
somebody
to
step
up,
even
though
I
see
the
value
in
something
special
like
this.
J
There
is
I've
experienced,
there's
always
a
buyer,
and
we've
done
some
amazing
stuff
in
the
whole
community
of
Thousand
Oaks.
You
know
Ventura
County
area
and
our
homes
carry
value
beyond
what
the
market
value
is,
because
when
they're
done
right
and
when
it's
when
it's
carefully
designed,
somebody
falls
in
love
with
it,
but
for
a
homeowner
he
gets
to
pay
for
it.
I
don't
pay
for
it.
So
I
can
only
say
that,
and
you
know
we'll
see.
I.
E
J
J
And
I
don't
have
an
answer.
My
understanding
is
they're
going
to
build
this
house
as
the
owner
we've
been
working
towards
that
this
is
not
a
developer.
That
I'm
aware
of
that.
Does
this
we
work
with
developers.
This
is
a
homeowner
who
fell
in
love
with
this
had
another
smaller
parcel
without
privacy
that
he
lived
in,
and
he
sold
to
purchase
this
to
to
get
to
this
point
so
other
than
probably
concern
over
market
value
and
expense.
F
J
We
would
be
looking
at.
We
probably
have
another
three
to
four
months
in
engineering.
We
haven't
engineered
it
yet
waiting
for
this
approval
and
then
our
Public
Works
review
process,
our
building
and
safety
process
and
our
agency
sign-offs,
and
then
it
would
start
so
three
months
at
the
fastest,
probably
four
months
realistically,
okay,.
J
So
the
existing
residence
has
a
water
meter,
we're
not
we're
not
changing
the
fact
that
there
is
a
water
meter,
and
it
is
a
fact
that
everything
we're
putting
in
this
new
project
will
be
more
drought,
tolerant,
low
use,
the
existing
houses,
the
original
house
I'm
sure
that
I'm
not
sure
I
have
I've
only
walked
through
it
once
but
I.
The
water
usage
of
that
older
home
is
probably
far
greater
than
what
we're
doing
these
days,
and
it's
just
like
you
were
discussing
and
I
agree
with
100
percent.
J
In
looking
at
lot
coverage,
we
have
less
that
we're
watering
I
mean
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
have
drip
systems,
we're
going
to
have
drought,
tolerant
ground
cover.
No
one.
Really
these
days
wants
a
lot
of
Maintenance
or
water
usage,
so
we're
all
really
tuned
into
that,
especially
in
new
construction.
I
mean
we're
all
scrambling
on
existing
residences
and
our
own
personal
use
and
new
construction.
J
Luckily
enough,
they
have
a
lot
of
good
tools
for
us
to
use
with
regard
to
how
they're
doing
the
drip
systems
and
the
the
timers
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
landscaping.
We
have
enough
that
we're
going
to
present
a
pretty
front
area
and
and
driveway.
So
when
you
do
look
at
the
aerial
or
the
Google,
Earth
or
site
image,
there's
there's
a
fair
amount
of
Landscaping
on
that
existing
site.
So
I
could
comfortably
say
we're
going
to
use
less
water.
Would.
J
That's
something
that
we're
dealing
with
on.
You
know
all
of
our
estate.
This
is
all
we
do.
Is
residential
estate
work.
We
don't
do
commercial
or
industrial,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
challenged
with
in
our
state
and
it's
a
case-by-case
basis
and
it's
about
timing.
There
are
some
of
our
homeowners
just
for
knowledge
that
are
building
pools
and
in
some
communities
they
are
restricted
from
filling
them
and
they're,
using
outsour
outside
sources
and
paying
for
water
with
trucks
to
fill
their
pools.
I
know
that
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
isn't
there,
but.
J
F
F
J
Yeah,
we
went
through
a
a
whole
process,
just
like
we
do
on
every
home
within
the
West
Lake
homeowners
association
and
they
have
an
architect
on
their
board
and
we
meet
with
them
on
every
project
and
have
full
approval
for
this
project.
After
doing
our
tweaks
prior
to
even
going
to
Planning
Commission,
because
we
we
have
to
present
well
I,
guess
we
don't
as
it's
been
mentioned,
but
we
feel
like
we
do
and
maybe
that's
just
the
legal
end.
We
don't
move
forward
without
homeowners
association
approval
to
the
next
step.
G
Okay,
not
to
belabor
the
point,
so
it
is
understood
that
the
neighbors
who
are
going
to
get
the
eight
foot
wall
have
been
in
discussions
and
are
fine
with
the
project
and
has
the
na
have
the
neighbors
on
the
other
side?
Have
you
talked
to
them?
Are
you
aware
if
the
homeowner
has
talked
to
them
about
their
side.
J
The
homeowner,
with
the
eight
foot
wall
who's
present
here
this
evening,
I
met
with
her
at
her
home
and
I.
Believe
it's
very
clear
as
to
well.
It
is
very
clear
because
it
wasn't
present
and
we
developed
it
together
as
to
what
would
be
acceptable.
So
my
understanding
is,
at
this
point,
she's
very
happy,
they're,
very
happy
with
the
the
goal
that
was
set
and
the
fact
that
it's
in
the
approved
plan,
the
homeowner
to
the
east
I
have
not
met
with.
I
B
B
It
we
do
have
one
other
public
speaker
tonight.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
this
speaker
and
that
is
Jana
Yost
or
Yost
I'm?
Sorry,
if
I'm
mispronouncing,
your
name,
you've
got
I
think
the
clock
was
at
six
five
minutes
for
your
presentation.
We
ask
that
you
come
to
the
lectern
and
state
your
name
and
city
of
residence
good
evening.
Hi.
A
B
K
B
K
B
K
K
That's
my
dog,
that
is
my
dog
and
I,
have
very
tiny,
tiny
dogs,
five
pounds
and
under
and
so
because
they're
so
little
I
can't
let
them
go
out
in
the
backyard
because
we
have
Hawks,
we
have
owls,
we
have
all
kinds
of.
We
had
a
Bobcat
next
door
on
on
the
property
that
we're
talking
about
and
it's
dangerous.
So
we
can't
let
our
little
dogs
out
there,
and
so
we
use
this
side
yard
because
it
works
perfect
for
them.
They're
safe
in
there.
K
So
why
I'm
here
is
because
I
would
like
the
wall
to
be
nine
feet
which
listening
I
heard.
That's
that
can
be
approved
and
when
they
tear
that
wall
down
I'm
gonna
have
nothing
no
protection
for
my
dogs,
nothing
to
keep
the
dirt
and
all
the
dust
and
everything
coming
into
my
yard.
I
have
COPD
I
have
horrible
allergies,
there's
nothing
to
protect
me
and
I
asked
if
it
was
possible
to
saw
cut
and
somehow
leave
that
10-foot
wall
until
the
building
was
done
and
Brian
doesn't
think
that
would
work.
K
So
I
would
like
to
be
have
put
into
the
commission
the
plans
the.
What
do
you
call
it
permitting
that
the
wall
has
to
be
built
immediately
after
that
wall
gets
torn
down,
because
I
can't
have
that
wide
open
like
that?
It
could
be
two
to
four
years
before
the
house
was
built
and
I
have
nothing
no
privacy
at
all
and
when
I
talked
to
the
owner,
Jeff
I
called
him
and
I
told
him.
K
K
B
D
K
The
guy
that's
buying
the
house,
Jeff
Malton,
whatever
yeah
I,
don't
know
him.
I've
only
talked
to
him
on
the
phone
a
couple
of
times
and
he
told
me
his
biggest
fear
was
the
Privacy
issue
and
he
wasn't
sure
he
was
going
to
make
any
money
off
of
it
if
he
had
to
sell
it,
but
the
neighbor
that
lives
there.
Now
is
the
lady
that
owned
it
before
and
she's
I've
known
her
for
five
years,
but
she
doesn't
own.
The
house.
K
D
B
Thank
you,
Commissioners.
Are
there
any
other
questions?
The
speaker
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure.
I
understand,
you're,
saying
that
the
woman
who
is
the
applicant
for
this
project
is
named.
Jeff
meltzyard,
the
the
who
I
presume
is
the
property
owner
the
are
you
saying
that
Jeff
meltzier
does
not
currently
live
in
that
in
this
house?
No
okay,
but
but
he
is
renting
it
to
a
woman
who
had
owned
it
previously
owned
it
some
time
ago
and.
B
E
B
L
In
response
to
the
the
comments
made
by
the
neighbor,
we
can
impose
a
condition
in
the
entitlement
which
requires
that
the
wall
be
constructed
as
part
as
phase
one
essentially
of
the
Redevelopment
of
the
site.
We
can
add
language
specifically
to
address
that,
and
if
the
commission
elects
to
allow
nine
foot
high
wall,
we
can
have
that
as
part
of
the
condition
as
well
and
I
can
craft
language
for
that
as
you're
deliberate.
If
you
like,.
B
L
B
I
I
Box-
okay,
so
in
this
case
I'd
like
to
hear
from
Mr
bustle,
because
at
some
point-
and
this
might
be
of
interest
to
Ms
Yost
when
you
get
to
a
certain
height
on
a
CMU
block
wall
like
this,
the
footing
then
becomes
you
can't
design
a
cantilever
footing
for
an
eight
foot,
high
CMU
wall
or
the
cantilever
footing.
Bin
becomes
so
large
that
it
then
imposes
upon
the
footprint
or
the
foundation
of
the
house.
I
M
There
or
yeah
good
evening,
Sharon
Newman
fellow
Commissioners,
yeah
I,
think
you,
you
said
it
exactly
right
that
I
don't
know.
If
you
remember
on
the
Starbucks
project,
we
did
an
eight-foot
wall
there
now
footing
on
that,
I
think
was
almost
four
feet
wide
four
to
might
have
even
been
five
feet
wide.
M
So
if
you're
going
to
do
that
here-
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
a
cantilever
because
then
you're
getting
all
the
way
over
to
the
house,
and
if
you
do
the
you
know
the
full
five
six
feet
wide
footing,
it
is
going
to
intrude
on
her
property.
Now,
if
she's
willing
to
accept
that,
then
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
big
footing.
I
B
B
F
Thank
you
chair,
so
back
to
the
wall
issue
the
HOA
again,
not
that
we
necessarily
need
their
approval,
but
they
approved
I
believe
an
eight-foot
wall.
If
we
start
talking
about
higher
lengths
or
higher
Heights,
does
that
create
an
issue
for
the
HOA
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
they
may
have
other
guidelines
or
problems.
M
F
H
Well,
we
have
the
authority
to
make
a
decision
based
on
on
our
guides
guidelines
and
our
municipal
code
and
Public
Safety
Code
and
any
state
code
that
applies
I.
Think
that
the
problem
you're
going
to
have
is
you
have
the
conflict
now?
If,
if
you
decide
to
suggest
and
again,
this
is
a
condition
that
would
be
changed
that
would
the
applicant
would
have
to
approve
as
well,
and
just
as
we
remind
you,
the
architect
here
is
representing
the
owner.
F
H
Yeah
I
think
what
I
would
recommend
is
maybe
with
architect
here
being
that
for
the
applicant,
that
we
have
the
discussion
with
him
for
his
five
minutes,
and
we
have
that
discussion
just
so.
We
hear
from
him
as
to
the
feasibility
of
that
for
you
before
we
close
the
hearing.
So
we
can
make
that
kind
of
a
better
judgment
call
on
on.
J
J
There's
the
windows
that
still
reside
towards
the
Lakeside
on
our
second
floor
won't
have
any
imposition
with
the
existing
patio
cover.
That's
there
and
that's
as
we
were
standing
in
the
backyard
looking
up
at
what
potentially
will
be
there
as
a
massing,
you
won't
be
able
to
see
it
other
than
the
wall
at
the
floor
system,
but
the
windows
are
above
that
so
I
don't
see
a
privacy
issue
at
all,
with
an
eight
foot
high
wall
and
the
fact
that
we
remove
the
windows
to
the
front.
J
There
will
be
a
wall
that
they
will
see
that
currently
there
isn't,
but
no
one
will
be
looking
at
them
and
it
won't
be
at
the
zero
lot
line.
Obviously,
it'll
be
seven
feet
away
from
the
property
line,
because
we've
we've
offset
it
not
sure
how
to
I
was
thinking
about
the
footing
condition,
because
we
do
often
do
caissons
and
grade
beams
and
other
things
with
walls
when
we
have
slope
stability
issues
but
with
the
water
table
in
the
community.
I.
Don't
know
that.
There's
another
engineering
possibility
to
accomplish
this.
J
B
J
B
J
H
Really
quick,
I'm
I'm,
sorry
chair
for
the
applicant,
please,
if
you
want
to
have
any
discussion
about
modifying
the
condition
which
is
25
regarding
the
eight
foot
wall
and
I
and
I
I,
think
I
understand
what
you
were
asking
chair.
But
there
was
a
second
component
to
that
question,
which
was
whether
or
not
they
could
build
a
wall
as
a
condition,
as
Mr
best
was
saying,
as
a
condition
that
it's
built
in
Phase
One
versus
being
silent
in
the
conditions
as
to
when
it
will
be
built.
H
And
so
the
next
question
is,
if
you
are
going
to
entertain
as
a
condition
that
you're
going
to
modify
the
condition
to
say
that
the
wall
needed
to
be
built
and
phase
one
as
Mr
Kern
suggested,
is
the
applicant
okay,
with
affirming
that
condition
modification,
if
that's
where
again
I'm,
just
trying
to
anticipate
where
you
might
be
going
with
this.
It's.
J
H
J
Will
agree
and
I
know
that
Jeff
the
homeowner
will
agree
also
because
that's
his
intent
and
if
something
was
to
transfer
that
should
be
the
attempt
intent
of
a
new
owner
once
and
however,
it's
the
verbiage
is
contained
for
I,
don't
know
how
other
than
immediately
following
demolition,
I
mean
phase.
One
doesn't
really
mean
anything
so
so.
H
I
think
it
had,
it
would
have
to
do
with
Demolition
and
certification
of
the
grading
for
the
demolition
so
because
you're
going
to
be
doing
grading
as
well,
so
correct,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
once
that's
certified
that
the
wall
would
be
built
as
part
of
the
first
phase
of
the
construction
of
the
complex.
If
that
makes
sense
to
you
and
yeah,
it's
fair
to
you.
Yes,.
M
J
J
B
H
L
B
B
F
Thank
you
for
tuning
in
Mr
Gomez,
just
to
confirm
and
I
think
to
a
live.
Miss,
scum,
Miss,
yost's,
comments
or
fears
is
that
if
this
is
approved,
then
again,
ultimately,
if
the
current
owner
is
not
the
owner,
these
plans
and
these
conditions
run
with
the
land
correct,
so
that
anybody
that
buys
this
property
would
be
subject
to
these
rules
and
conditions.
That
is
correct,
including
the
requirement
that
you
just
had.
F
G
The
phrase
that
you
just
put
up
there
you
say
under
construction:
does
it
need
to
be
more
defined
that
and
finished
this
just
means
they
could
just
put
up
the
I.
Don't
know
how
it's
made,
but
the
rebar
and
it's
under
construction.
Could
we
put
something,
that's
more
definite
that
it's
you
know
solid
and
you
know
near
finished
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
to
make
sure
that
it.
It
entitles
the
the
dogs
to
run
around
and
not
be
tromped
on
by
the
construction
workers
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
E
D
May
be
operating
under
some
delusions
here,
but
I'm
not
under
the
impression
that
somebody
can
demo
demolish
this,
this
entire
structure
and
then
build
another
wall
in
in
super
short
order.
We're
talking
on
the
order
of
weeks
and
I
know
that
the
the
neighbor
is
concerned
primarily
about
her
dogs,
about
the
exposure
about
the
exposure
during
demolition.
All
those
things
and
I,
don't
think
we
hear
from
the
dice
can
fix
that.
You
know,
because
we're
talking
about
making
a
correction
that
that
that's
going
to
be
on
the
order
of
weeks.
D
B
There's
been
some
discussion
of
the
way
walls
are
constructed
and
part
of
that
discussion
involved.
The
fact
that,
as
currently
proposed
at
eight
feet
there,
there
are
two
aspects
of
this
number
one
the
wall
is,
and
its
support
is
entirely
on
your
neighbor's
property,
not
on
your
property,
with
no
disruption
to
your
property.
B
That's
point
one
point
two
is
that
the
applicant
has
stated
that,
with
the
compromises
that
you
and
he
worked
out,
that
the
patio
cover
would
substantially
or
completely
block
the
the
view
from
the
Second
Story,
so
it
would
afford
you
if
I'm,
if
I'm,
stating
the
applicant's
position
correctly,
the
applicant
is
asserting
that
the
privacy
concerns
you're
raising
would
be
addressed
by
that
patio
cover
and
the
wall.
That
is
not
there
now.
So
that's
where
we
are
currently,
if
you
have
any
comments
or
responses
to
what
we've
just
discussed,
please
feel
free.
K
K
I
didn't
realize
it
was
that
big
of
a
deal
to
add
a
foot,
so
I
guess
I
could
be
happy
with
the
eight
foot
so
that
that's
really
not
a
problem.
So
the
main
thing
is
that
whoever
builds
has
to
get
that
wall
up
as
soon
as
possible
and
not
even
as
soon
it
needs
to
have
a
timeline.
In
two
weeks
three
weeks
I
can
deal
with
that.
You
know.
K
B
I,
don't
know
that
it's
it
Mr
he
or
may
want
to
comment
on
this
it
it
just
with
regard
to
timelines.
It's
not
within
our
power
to
command
a
builder
or
an
applicant
to
say
this
must
be
done
in
this
period
there
there
may
be
other
parts
of
the
planning
process
that
have
requirements
like
that,
but
that's
not
something
that
is
a
question
before
us
tonight.
B
However,
I
can
say
that
there
is
a
if
you
will
a
three-year
shot
clock
on
this
entire
proposal
that
if
this
isn't,
if
construction
doesn't
happen
in
three
years,
the
applicant
has
to
come
back
and
get
a
whole
new.
Do
this
whole
process
all
over
again,
and
that
has
happened
to
multiple
applicants
before
where,
for
whatever
reason,
they
didn't
do
what
the
conditions
required
and
it's
very
costly,
so
they're
very
strongly
incentivized
to
get
this
done
in
the
time
allotted
I.
K
B
B
K
B
B
B
B
B
You
talked
about
your
concerns
and
you
worked
at
a
compromise
and
that
compromise
was
an
eight-foot
wall
that
gives
you
privacy
from
your
second
story
or
their
second
Story
by
your
patio
cover,
and
then
that's
number
one
and
then
number
two
is
we've
asked
staff
to
come
up
with
and
they've
produced
an
additional
condition
to
require
that
wall
to
be
built
first
thing
so
that
those
are
those
are
protections
for
you.
Okay,
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
B
You
don't
have
to
then,
but
if
you
do
I
want
to
give
you
that
opportunity.
Thank
you
all
right.
Are
there
any
other
comments
of
or
questions
of
Staff
before
we
go
very
good
I
with
that
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
open
the
floor
for
either
a
motion
or
discussion.
Commissioners,
commissioner
link
I.
I
Think
before
we
get
to
a
motion,
maybe
we
talk
about
how
we're
going
to
craft
this
before
we
or
whether,
because
I
think
commissioner
bus
brings
up
an
interesting
point.
Is
that
I
mean
I
mean
from
a
logistical
standpoint?
Once
the
house
is
demolished,
they
have
to
remove
the
footing
of
the
house
and
then
they
have
to
excavate
in
order
to
construct
the
footing
for
the
wall,
so
where
these
things
happen
and
what
I
mean.
Obviously
we're
not
imposing
a
timeline
here,
but
it's
I
think
there
are
some
items
here
that
might
need
to
clarify.
H
The
way
that
we
do,
our
various
conditions
is
to
include
that
they
follow
the
various
guidelines
and
based
on
the
the
size
of
the
complex
and,
what's
being
changed,
you're
going
to
have
different
conditions
come
into
play,
such
as
making
sure
dust,
control,
making
sure
waterways
are
protected.
Those
kind
of
things
so
I
think
that's
important.
Just
to
remind
everybody
that
demolition
is
going
to
happen.
People
are
going
to
be
impacted
for
a
period
of
time.
With
that
said,
is
Mr
Gomez
put
up
a
condition.
H
B
H
B
M
H
C
Just
had
a
question:
I
mean
the
existing,
so
I
understand
it.
The
existing
wall
of
the
house
is
on
the
property
line
and
we're
saying
that
we
have
to
get
a
permit
and
replace
with
the
new
wall
before
they
tear
down
the
existing.
Well
I
mean
you're
going
to
have
to
move
the
existing
wall
before
you
can
build
a
new
fence.
Yeah.
L
While
the
intent
of
the
condition
was
to
ensure
that
the
wall,
of
course
is
built
first,
because
that's
the
the
Crux
of
the
issue
here,
we
don't
want
to
hold
up
all
the
construction.
We
want
them
to
get
into
building
permit
process
and
actually
get
the
permits
issued.
So
we
don't
have
a
project,
that's
being
phased,
where
you
have
incessant
construction,
noise
and
activities,
says
backup,
alarms
of
trucks,
that
kind
of
thing
happening
and
disturbing
the
neighborhood
for
a
longer
period
of
time
than
we
have
to.
So.
L
The
idea
is
to
let
them
get
into
construction
with
the
house,
but
have
the
wall
being
built.
At
the
same
time,
the
wall
should
obviously
not
take
us
long
as
other
construction
activities
and
the
site
preparation
for
the
house
itself,
the
foundation,
the
footings,
those
kind
of
things
back
to
the
timing
of
the
wall.
There
is
a
code
prescription
that
requires
diligent
pursule
of
the
construction
activities
once
construction
is
or
the
use
is
inaugurated.
L
H
It's
going
to
be
something
that's
going
to
be
completed
because
you
have
a
contractor
working
on
that
specific
part
and
then
the
rest
of
the
house
is
going
to
follow.
So
the
wall
has
to
be
worked
on
as
the
beginning
of
the
construction.
No
matter
what
right
and
completed
before
the
house
is
occupied.
Okay,
so
you
do
want
to
keep.
If
I
understand
staff,
you
want
to
keep
the
con
the
condition
as
on
the
main
screen.
I
I
just
want
to
make
clear
to
Ms
Yost.
This
just
means
that
the
wall
is
being
constructed
first,
so
in
terms
of
timeline,
the
wall
will
be
constructed.
First,
doesn't
necessarily
guarantee
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
barrier
on
your
patio
to
prevent
your
animals
or
anybody
else
from
getting
into
your
yard.
There
may
be
a
period
of
time
with
which
that
will
be
open
and
potentially,
if
any
temporary
fencing
is,
is
put
up
as
part
of
it.
I
It
will
probably
have
to
be
on
your
property
because
there
will
be
a
hole
in
the
ground,
because
it's
a
zero
outline
and
the
foundation
goes
straight
down.
So
just
so
you're
aware
that
this
condition
only
requires
that
the
first
thing
built
on
that
property
following
demolition
is
the
wall.
And
then
everything
follows
after
that.
B
D
2022-70667,
based
upon
the
findings
and
subjects
the
conditions
they're
in
including
that
Amendment.
My
quick
comment
on
this
is:
it
seems
to
me
that,
hopefully,
this
project
will
get
done.
I
I
think
at
this
point.
It's
up
in
the
air
based
upon
prevailing
market
conditions
in
real
estate,
so
there's
a
strong
possibility.
This
may
not
happen
anytime
soon,
but
hopefully
sometime
in
the
next
three
years.
This
project
can
get
underway,
and
hopefully
this
gentleman
who,
who
advocated
for
it
so
eloquently,
gets
the
opportunity
to
make
it
happen.
D
F
You
chair
first
I,
want
to
thank
the
applicant
for
doing
something
in
terms
of
improving
the
property
Mr
Lemon
for
working
with
the
neighbors
and
providing
a
what
looks
to
be
a
beautiful
project.
I
want
to
actually
all
the
things
we're
talking
about.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
stuff
you've
done
in
terms
of
making
a
good
project
and
trying
to
work
within
the
process
and
communicate
with
neighbors
Miss
yosta
I
know
it's
hard
for
you
to
see,
but
you
have
an
entire
city.
F
That's
actually
been
trying
to
protect
you
as
part
of
this
process.
It's
hard,
because
there's
lots
of
things
that
we
can
do
with
lots
of
things
we
can't
do.
The
application
is,
as
they're
presented,
is
fits
within
our
codes
and
rules.
It
fits
within
the
Landscaping
guidelines
of
the
HOA.
It
fits
with
a
lot
of
Concepts,
which
you've
heard
for
the
last
45
minutes.
Is
us
trying
to
find
ways
to
make
it
as
minimal
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
you
as
possible?
F
I
think
we've
done
that
and
again
I
think
there's
some
obviously
some
unknowns
that
I
know
you're
concerned
about
and
I
think
we
all
are.
If
you
haven't
heard
from
every
single
person
here
trying
to
make
sure
we
understand
some
things,
the
problem
is,
we
don't
know
exactly
to
build
this
and
when,
as
commissioner
bus
said,
the
the
economics
right
now
are
such
that
it
may
not
be
a
great
time
to
build.
F
B
I
B
We
do
have
a
Water
Crisis.
We
do
as
Commissioners
get
questions
about.
Why
we're
doing
anything
in
the
middle
of
a
drought,
I
think
you've
shown
great
sensitivity
in
addressing
that
and
I
completely
agree
with
your
your
conjecture
that
that
the
new
project
will
be
much
more
water
efficient
than
the
the
house.
That's
been
there
for
decades.
That's
that's,
certainly
the
case
given
given
the
landscaping
and
the
the
much
more
the
much
greater
efficiency.
What
water
efficiency
of
newer
buildings
so
I
think
that's
a
good
response
to
a
crisis.
B
B
But
you,
you
gained
the
promise
tonight
that
the
wall
will
be
the
first
thing
that
happens
when
construction
begins
and
I
certainly
hope
that
will
protect
both
your
privacy
and
and
certainly
your
dogs
as
well.
That's
important
too,
to
ensure
so
I
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
go
back
and
forth
on
that
and
I
will
also
support
the
project
and
with
that
I
will
ask
the
secretary
to
prepare.
H
H
B
B
This
is
an
appealable
application,
so
it
I'm
required
to
read
that
any
agree
party
who
wishes
to
appeal
the
planning
commission's
decision
may
do
so
by
filing
an
appeal
with
a
Community
Development
Department
within
10
days.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
for
attending
and
thank
you
for
choosing
to
do
this
project
here.
B
B
B
Changing
changing
gears
for
a
moment
here,
both
at
the
previous
Planning
Commission
hearing
our
most
recent
one
and
at
a
candidate's
forum,
I
Heard,
very
well
intentioned,
with
with
good
good
faith
uses
of
the
term
grandfathered
being
used
to
refer
to
something
that
was
already
in
place
and
I'm,
not
sure,
if
probably
the
Commissioners
are
aware,
but
but
I'm
not
sure.
If
the
general
public
is
aware
that
that
term
grandfathered
has
a
very
not
not
a,
not
very
good
history.
B
So,
just
as
a
comment,
I
would
encourage
us
in
our
public
life
to
avoid
using
the
term
grandfathered
and
if
I
may
I'll
work
with
the
recording
secretary
to
provide
a
link
with
the
history
of
the
term
and
I.
Can
suggest
a
few
Alternatives
which
are
constructive
and
don't
have
this
negative
connotation
and
they
would
include
phrases
like
excused
or
Exempted
or
legacied
or
pre-approved
or
pre-authorized
and
again
I
think
the
people
who
said
this
were
saying
it
with
good
intentions.
B
F
B
I
C
Mr
chairman
on
October
25th
at
the
city
council
meeting
tomorrow
evening,
there'll
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
self-storage
item.
We
heard
at
our
last
meeting
and
there'll
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
building
code,
update
a
department
report
on
many
mansions
Bella
Vista
refinancing
and
the
fire
code
update
will
be
on
the
consent.
Calendar
on
November
1st
will
be
a
department
report
on
the
inclusionary
housing
and
linkage
fee
feasibility,
Nexus
study
and
the
Santa
Monica
Mountains
Conservancy
advisory
committee.