►
Description
1/11/2021
A
A
A
A
B
Good
evening
thousand
oaks,
this
is
january
11
2021.
it's
time
for
the
planning
commission
meeting,
you'll
notice
that
all
of
the
commissioners
are
appearing
via
video
conference
under
zoom
at
this
point
to
try
to
improve
our
social
distancing.
I
believe
this
is
also
what
will
happen
for
the
city
council
meeting
tomorrow
with
that,
let's
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
B
D
B
E
B
D
B
C
Continued
hearing
having
been
advertised
as
required
by
law,
is
hereby
open
to
consider
agenda
item
7a
development,
permit
dp
2020-70307
to
allow
construction
of
an
850
square
foot,
drive-through,
dining
establishment
with
outdoor
patio,
14
vehicles,
parking
spaces,
trash
enclosure
and
associated
grading
landscaping
and
hardscaping,
including
two
development
standard
waivers.
One
setback
reduction
and
two
reduced
landscape
buffer
setback
located
at
2198
north
moorpark
road,
assessors
parcel
number.
G
B
G
Thank
you
very
much
chair
lansing
members
of
the
planning
commission
members
of
the
public
the
project
tonight
is
for
is
located
at
2198
north
to
moore
park
road.
It's
in
order
to
a
proposal
to
construct
a
new
850
square
foot,
drive-through,
dining
establishment
with
outdoor
seating
and
a
patio
with
a
trellis
there's,
also
going
to
be
associated
hardscape
landscape
and
grading.
G
G
Now
it's
because
of
these
waivers
that
the
project
is
coming
before
the
planning
commission
tonight,
in
which
the
planning
commission
would
have
to
approve
in
order
to
approve
the
project,
would
also
have
to
approve
the
waivers.
If
the
project
did
not
contain
any
waivers,
it
would
be
able
to
go
through
the
administrative
approval
routes
per
the
c1
zone
standards.
G
Here
you
can
actually
see
the
project
site
in
the
kind
of
the
greater
context
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
and
here
is
a
zoomed
in
version
showing
the
actual
project
site
with
its
immediate
surroundings,
so
commercial
of
the
commercial
residential
and
also
the
institutional
uses
a
little
bit
of
background
on
the
project.
The
earliest
record
recorder
permit
that
the
city
has
is
from
1970.
G
G
in
2009
the
site
had
to
go
undergo
soil
remediation,
and
then
that
was
completed
in
2014..
The
current
project
was
submitted
in
2020
for
a
pre-application
review
and
then
also
for
later
for
formal
review.
Additionally,
the
project
was
supposed
to
go
before
the
planning
commission
in
december
of
last
year.
However,
it
was
continued
to
today's
date,
some
past
actions
regarding
this
particular
project
site.
There
were
some
special
use
permits
proposed
for
the
sites
it
was
submitted
in
2018
and
planning
commission
denied
a
special
use
permit
in
april
of
2019.
G
again
another
revive
revision
to
that
special
user
was
submitted
in
2019,
which
was
also
denied
at
that
same
time,
and
the
city
council
denied
the
appeal
in
september
of
2019.,
but
that
was
for
it
was
forced
a
new
service
station
and
a
convenience
store.
The
proposed
project
is
for
the
drive-through,
which
was
submitted
in
in
early
2020.
G
Now
the
project
is
located
on
a
previously
disturbed,
0.46
acre
site
that
is
located,
that
has
a
general
plan.
Land
use,
designation
of
commerce
with
a
c1
zone
designation,
the
site
is
predominantly
surrounded
by
residential
uses,
with
some
other
limited
commercial
uses
to
the
north
and
south
of
it.
G
Now,
also
that
that
thousand
oaks
high
school
is
located
directly
across
the
street,
and
here
you
can
kind
of
see
the
site
in
its
kind
of
the
greater
context
that
we
were
just
mentioning
just
kind
of
recapping,
so
bringing
everyone
back
to
the
project
itself.
It's
the
new
internet,
50
square
foot.
It
has
an
18
vehicle
queue,
so
that's
18
vehicles
before
it
starts
to
impact
the
the
drive.
G
G
G
The
order
box
has
also
been
located
along
avenida
de
los
flores,
so
it's
far
far
enough
away
from
the
residential
areas
to
try
and
limit
any
potential
noise
impacts.
Additionally,
there
is
a
privacy
wall
along
kaye
jasmine
in
order
to
try
and
block
any
potential
sounds
also.
In
addition,
the
project
is
conditioned
to
approve.
G
There
is
a
condition,
I'm
sorry.
There
is
a
condition
of
approval
that
would
help
to
minimize
any
potential
noise
if
it
becomes
an
issue
back
to
the
waivers
that
I
had
mentioned
previously.
So
the
first
waiver
is
a
hundred.
It's
a
setback
reduction.
The
city
and
the
municipal
code
contains
it's
100
foot,
minimum
a
setback
from
the
center
line
from
any
public
street.
So
here
you
can
actually
see.
G
Let
me
get
this
so
from
moorpark
road,
there's,
a
100
foot
setback
which
would
bring
you
to
this.
This
particular
line
from
kaia
jasmine
center
line.
That
would
give
you
a
100
foot
setback
line
of
right
here
from
avenida
de
los
flores.
You
have
a
100
foot
setback
which
gives
you
right
here
so
approximately
if
in
order
to
actually
build
a
building
without
any
waivers,
it'd
be
a
five
foot
wide
building
down
the
center
of
the
site,
which
you
can
actually
see
here
in
blue.
G
So
that's
the
first
waiver,
that's
being
requested.
The
second
waiver
that's
being
requested
it's
for
six
foot
wall
within
the
ten
foot
landscape
buffer
and
right
here
there
is
still
10
feet
of
landscape
area.
There
is
just
a
a
six
foot
wall
in
the
middle
of
that
landscape,
with
landscaping
on
both
sides
of
the
wall
for
this
and
that
the
purpose
of
that
wall
is
in
order
to
try
and
shield
and
reduce
any
impacts
to
the
adjacent
neighbors
across
jasmine.
G
Now
these
waivers
they
are
supported
because
it
locates
the
building
and
other
and
the
order
box
away
from
the
residential
uses.
It
provides
substantial
landscape
buffers
along
all
the
property
lines
and
the
project.
It
is
consistent
with
the
design,
colors
and
materials
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
It
actually
is
able
to
pull
in
those
designs
and
materials.
G
In
that
report
it
found
that
the
parking
not
the
queuing,
not
the
queue
link
the
stacking
lane,
but
the
parking
itself
would
trigger
a
parking
demand
for
four
spaces
during
the
week
weekday
mornings
and
seven
spaces
during
a
saturday
morning.
So
here
you
can
kind
of
get
a
visual
of
what's
being
proposed
from
the
green
to
the
gold,
that
is
the
total
of
the
14
spaces
of
the
14
parking
spaces,
the
green,
that
is
the
total
of
the
eight
parking
spaces
that
would
be
required
by
the
municipal
code
accord.
G
Now,
according
to
the
parking
report
in
the
blue,
those
are
the
number
of
space
of
with
the
green
rectangles
with
the
blue
stars.
That
is
the
number
of
weekday
of
the
parking
demand
for
a
weekday
morning
and
then
the
blue
plus
the
gold
stars.
That
is
a
saturday
morning
parking
demand,
that's
anticipated
for
this
location,
so
the
project
does
provide
more
parking
than
it's
what's
required
by
the
code
and
what's
required
for
these,
it's
called
the
wood
rodgers
memorandum,
it's
the
parking
and
heating
queueing
report.
G
Now
moving
over
to
the
stacking
lane
capacity.
It's
the
wood,
watchers
memorandum,
the
parking
and
human
lane
report
it
identified.
There
was
an
industry
standard
of
7.1
cars
per
thousand
square
feet
of
building
area.
So
that's
the
industry
as
a
whole.
Therefore,
it's
like
taking
that
and
applying
it
to
this
site.
It
would
mean
if
we
just
went
by
the
industry
standards,
it
would
only
trigger
six
vehicle
parking
spaces.
G
However,
the
report
found
that
the
average
morning
peak
demand
would
be
14
vehicles.
Now
this
particular
project,
as
we
can
see
here,
it
provides
18
vehicle
parking
spaces.
So
in
the
green
you
can
see.
That's
how
many
that
would
be
the
queue
the
vehicle
queueing
lane
if
we
just
went
off
of
the
industry
industry
standard,
so
that
would
be
the
six
now
the
report,
even
though
it's
anticipating
it
would
only
require
14
spaces
as
a
peak
demand,
and
so
that's
the
green
plus
these
blue
rectangles.
So
that's
the
whole.
G
G
Now
there
are
four
additional
potential
spaces
which
is
offers
a
buffer,
but
those
are
will
then
encumber
the
parking
area
of
the
parking
stalls,
so
city
staff.
We
do
not
count
those
because
it
would
limit
the
the
use
of
those
of
the
parking
lot,
but
it
does
provide
it's
a
buffer
before
there's
any
potential
spill
before
the
project
could
potentially
spill
out
onto
north
moor
park
road.
G
Now
here
we
have
the
moving
on
from
the
vehicle
queue
to
the
actual
elevations.
Here
you
actually
see
the
proposed
project
within
the
c1
zone.
Buildings
are
allowed
to
go
up
to
25
feet
with
under
the
the
c1
own
standards.
The
proposed
project
is
maximum
at
22
feet
from
adjacent
grade.
So
here
you
can
see.
G
This
is
the
facade
that
faces
onto
that
interior
patio,
which
you
can
actually
see
here
so
here.
This
is
one
of
the
project
renderings
that
the
applicant
had
provided.
So
here
you
have
a
patio
with
that
facade
and
here's
the
or
a
walk-up
order
window
that
you're
able
to
go
to
additionally
here
is
another
conceptual
rendering
for
the
project
of
what
it
could
potentially
look
like
in
in
its
setting.
One
thing
to
note
is
that
the
project
site
it
will
control
its
pedestrian
access
onto
the
site.
G
There
is
not
only
is
there
a
six
foot
block
wall
along
jasmine,
but
there
is
also
you
can
kind
of
see
here
in
this
rendering
and
it
is
on
the
project
plans.
There
is
a
fence
that
surrounds
the
site
along
avenida
de
las
flores
and
along
most
of
north
moore
park
road
and
that's
in
order
to
prevent
pedestrians
from
just
crossing
the
vehicle,
the
q
lane
and
just
entering
the
site.
G
So
it
actually
will
funnel
all
of
the
pedestrians
into
a
single
area
into
the
single
pedestrian
access
to
the
site,
and
here
you
can
kind
of
see
in
the
conceptual
landscape
planner
that
we
have
here.
So
you
have
the
wall
that
is
on
the
eastern
portion
of
site,
and
then
you
have
it's
the
raw
iron
fence
that
wraps
the
majority
of
the
rest
of
the
site
and
it
funnels
it
limits
pedestrian
access
to
the
site
to
this
area.
G
It's
a
access
pathway
from
the
public
right-of-way
into
the
actual
site
itself,
and
then
you
have
again
the
surrounding
areas
I
mentioned
before.
There
is
substantial
landscape
landscaping
for
this
site.
Now.
This
is
it's
a
conceptual
landscape
plan
that
that
applicant
submitted
the
it
will
be
formally.
The
actual
landscape
plan
will
be
formally
submitted
to
the
city
if
the
project
is
approved,
it'll
have
to
go
through.
What's
called
a
landscape
plan
check.
G
The
project
has
been
conditioned
to
try
with
to
try
and
protect
those
sensitive
uses
and
staff
has
highlighted
these.
These
conditions
in
particular,
because
they
are
all
designed
to
try
and
protect
those
adjacent
sensitive
uses
by
capping
the
number
of
outdoor
dining
tables
and
the
use
of
the
patio
use
tables.
G
All
of
this
is
designed
so
that
they
can
fit
within
the
city's
municipal
code
and
and
there's
associated
ordinances
and
regulations,
and
we
can
expand
on
these
conditions
if
you
have
any.
If
the
commission
has
any
questions
on
it
now
for
this
particular
project
in
terms
of
outreach
and
public
correspondence,
there
has
the
applicant
indicated
they
conducted.
It
was
community
meeting
on
september
4th
via
zoom.
G
They
indicated
that
they
sent
a
flyer
out
to
75
properties
and
they
had
approximately
six
to
eight
individuals
in
attendance
staff
has
received
numerous
public
correspondence
and
you'll
have
to
forgive
me.
I
I
forgot
to
update
the
the
number
of
correspondence
because
it
has
increased
since
since
that
time,
there's
now,
I
think
it's
approximately
four
letters
in
support
with
the
rest
of
the
projects
are
opposed
to
the
project
in
opposition,
it's
primarily
regarding
to
potential
increases
in
traffic,
pedestrian
access
and
other
existing
starbucks
locations.
G
While,
additionally
putting
in
it's
the
the
guard.
The
walls
along
kaia,
jasmine
and
the
other
fencing
in
order
to
try
and
control
pedestrian
and
the
vehicular
movements
on
site
and
make
those
so
that
they're
extremely
predictable,
therefore,
based
on
all
of
this
staff,
recommends
the
planning
commission
approved
development
permit
2020-70307,
including
the
two
development
standard
waivers
based
on
the
findings
and
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval
in
the
resolution.
E
G
G
Let
me
see
here:
are
you
able
to
see
the
laser
pointer
so
to
the
north
on
average
floor?
Is
it's
the
driveway
that
you
would
mention
in
on
kaye
jasmine?
Those
are
the
two
driveways
and
then
you
have
an
existing
one.
The
proposed
project
it
would
close
off
the
driveways
on
avenue,
develop,
flores
and
kaya
jasmine.
It
would
create
a
new
driveway
along
moore
park
for
the
project
site
and
the
current
proposal.
G
It
would
effectively
close
the
existing
one
between
the
medical
office
building
and
the
project
site
and
install
a
new,
a
new
driveway.
Now
that
that
portion
would
it
would
actually
have
to
be
an
agreement
between
the
two
property
owners
that
they
would
be
for
any
improvements
on
the
adjacent
properties
site
in
public
works.
They
do
actually
have
a
condition
in
there
that
the
adjacent
property
owner
as
their
as
the
project
is
going
through.
G
G
G
Okay
yeah,
so
this
is
where
the
customer
would
pick
pick
up
the
order,
and
they
would
order
from
here
now,
according
to
starbucks
they're,
the
corporate
policies
that
they
require
about
approximately.
I
think
it's
five
vehicle
spaces
between
and
placing
the
order
and
where
they're
actually
able
to
pick
up
the
order
itself.
E
G
G
It's
the
merging
at
the
end,
at
the
northern
point
of
the
dual
stacking
lane,
it
would
offer
it's
a
traditional,
merge
pattern
and
at
it
it
would
be
staff
understanding
that
in
majority
of
the
time
you
may
have
some
a
couple
off
instances,
but
a
majority
of
the
time
it
would
just
be
normal
merging
patterns
that
any
of
the
the
customers
would
just
be
going
through.
And
additionally,
it
is
this
dual
stacking
lane.
G
There's
a
couple
of
things
with
this
one:
it
does
get
the
projects,
it
increases
the
amount
of
vehicles
vehicle
cues,
so
that
it
could
avoid
any
potential
impacts
to
north
moore
park
road.
So
it's
really
trying
to
avoid
the
vehicle
stackings
from
getting
from
moving
on
to
into
the
public
right
of
way.
G
Additionally,
there
are
other
locations
throughout
not
really
within
city
of
western
oaks,
but
in
the
county,
where
they
actually
have
it's
that
they've
created
it's
a
similar
design
to
what
we
have
here
in
which
there
is
a
dual
stacking
lane
prior
to
an
order
box,
and
then
they
actually
merge
into
a
single
file
lane,
and
then
you
have
the
order
box.
So
there
are
locations
in
the
county
that
do
that.
Currently
and
right
now,
it's
the
staff
is
not
in
contact
with
the
other
locations.
E
B
F
Few
questions
do
I
have,
commissioner,
my
first
question.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation,
mr
nielsen.
It
was
excellent.
My
questions
start
with
the
hours.
11
p.m,
for
a
drive-through.
Are
there
any
other
drive-throughs
in
the
city
that
operate
until
11
p.m,
that
are
within
100
feet
of
a
residential
area?.
G
Yeah
so
the
city,
we
actually
have
it's
a
handful
of
other
locations,
drive-through
locations
that
are
directly
adjacent
to
residential
in
terms
of
starbucks,
there's
one
on
duesenberg
and
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
It
has
a
residential
adjacent
to
it.
There
is
a
mcdonald's
off
of
wendy
drive,
it
is
it
it
abuts.
It
actually
shares
a
property
line
with
residential.
They
are
able
to
go
to
11
o'clock.
F
G
Through
no
so
at
that
time
the
I
I
don't
know
everything
about
that-
I
may
have
defaulted
to
mr
kearns,
but
to
my
knowledge,
the
wood
rogers,
the
the
cueing
study
report.
Those
standards
were
not
applied
there
now,
one
of
the
parts
that
staff
as
we're
going
through
and
we've
been
reviewing
these
the
drive-throughs
that
they've
been
coming
in.
We
have
been
reviewing
existing
locations,
so
the
rancho
and
the
primarily
the
rancher
and
the
ducenberg
locations,
but
in
terms
of
what
type
of
reports
were
required.
C
F
Okay,
so
so
that's
that's
why
they're
experiencing
that
issue,
we
don't
anticipate
having
a
similar
issue
on
moore
park.
Road,
that's
correct!
Okay
copy
that
also.
I
had
a
question
on
the
southwestern
side
of
that
property
on.
I
think
it's
the
medical
office
property,
there's
a
riser
there
for
utilities
of
some
kind.
Is
that
going
to
be
impacted
by
the
construction.
G
It
could
potentially
be
impacted
by
the
construction
again.
That
would
be
something
that
the
two
property
owners
will
have
to
discuss
if
the
project
is
approved
and
is
able
to
move
forward
that
that
goes.
That
falls
under
it's
more
of
the
private
agreement
between
the
two
entities,
and
it
just
would
have
to
be
consistent
with
with
the
project
that
does
fall
under
it
would
be
public
works,
review,
brad,
brad
bussell
with
public
works.
G
He
may
be
able
to
speak
more
on
it,
because
one
of
the
conditions
of
approval
that
public
works
does
include
is
basically
for
any
a
modification
to
the
adjacent
to
the
adjacent
property
they
would
have
to
have
an
agreement.
There
would
be
an
agreement
for
any
movement
of
those
materials,
but
I
will
defer
to
brad
on
that.
F
G
So
for
that
the
four
parking
spaces,
that's
what
came
out
of
the
out
of
the
parking
and
queuing
report
the
report
itself.
It
was
actually
generated.
Looking
at
similar
locations,
there
was
one
in
oxnard
one
in
redlands
and
the
third
location
is
escaping
me.
Kathy
may
actually
kevin
may
have
to
help
me
on
remember
the
location,
but
all
the
other
sites
that
they
were
reviewing,
particularly
the
one
in
redlands.
It's
a
very
similar
circumstances
for
the
location.
G
It's
in
a
a
high
vehicle
thoroughfare
very
similar
to
what
more
park
road
is.
There
is
an
adjacent
high
school
for
that
particular
location
in
a
predominantly
residential
area
and
when
they
were
going
through
and
looking
at
all
the
other
case
study
locations,
that's
the
number
that
they
were
able
to
generate
for
the
early
mornings.
Now
with
that,
though,
even
though
the
report
is
only
saying,
you
only
need
four,
the
site
itself
is
providing
14.,
so
there
are
already
there
are
10
spaces
over
even
a
potential
maximum
weekday
morning.
B
C
Commissioners,
this
is
brad
bussell
in
public
works,
yeah
that
riser
that
you're,
seeing
there-
that's-
probably
maybe
20
30
feet
in
in
the
site.
If
I
believe,
if
that's
the
one
you're
speaking
of
that's
a
that,
is
a
turnout
for
the
cayugas
municipal
water
district
and
that
is
not
proposed
to
be
moved,
relocated
or
or
touched.
So
it's
going
to
be
preserved
where
it's
at.
F
F
B
I
I
I
Next
to
a
school,
a
lot
of
parents
from
colleen
middle
school
go
there
and
one
thing:
that's
just
more
information
is
that
this
site,
this
location,
the
building,
is
only
850
square
feet,
so
the
amount
of
parking
it's
based
on
a
ratio
where
they're
looking
at
the
size
of
the
other
starbucks
and
then
looking
at
the
demand
for
parking,
and
then
they
adjust
it.
So
the
the
number
of
parking
spaces
where
they
came
up
with
four
really
has
to
do
with
it's.
I
A
very,
very
small
building,
850
square
feet
is
very
small
and
the
other
three
sites
have
larger
buildings.
That
being
said,
being
that
they're
next
to
school
sites,
you
have
you
don't
have
the
students
coming
in
parking,
you
have
students,
walking
or
their
parents
are
dropping
them
off,
so
we'll
still
see
a
lot
of
activity
at
the
site,
but
not
during
the
peak
hour.
There's
not
to
be
expected.
A
lot
of
the
student
population
parking
there.
F
I
have
a
follow-up
question,
then,
if
we're
anticipating
the
primary
traffic
being
foot
traffic
from
the
students
there,
would
it
would
that
design
inherently
be
safe
for
pedestrians,
saying
we're
funneling
them
all
into
one
area?
That's
the
direct
outlet
where
the
drive-through
comes
through
there
is
that,
where
you
want
it.
I
It's
it's
it's.
You
can
always
say:
there's
there's
no
really
great
way
to
get
the
pedestrians
on
site
because
they
always
have
to
go
through
the
drive-through,
but
it's
very
predictable.
They
will
know
where
to
go.
They
are
funneled
in
one
very
specific
area
and
the
cars
in
the
drive-through
are
stopped
and
they
are
high
school
students.
So
the
feeling
it's
it's
it's
it's
the
best
place
to
that.
We
should
be
able
to
funnel
the
the
students
and,
yes,
there'll,
be
a
lot
of
students
that
use
the
starbucks.
I
F
B
F
But
I
do
have
memories
of
how
busy
that
location
is
and
because
it
is
coveted,
I
have
not
been
able
to
get
a
good
grip
going
over
there
as
to
the
size
of
the
student
body
that
that
walks
through
there.
But
I
I
know
it's
substantial,
and
so
that's
what
I
was
asking.
I
have
another
question
I
think
might
be
better
asked
of
the
applicant,
but
I'm
gonna
check
with
you
guys.
First,
was
there
a
conversation
about
building
a
starbucks
that
didn't
have
a
drive-through
at
any
point.
G
Commissioner,
I
cannot.
I
can
answer
that
first
before
I
before
I
go
into
that
particular
answer.
I
just
want
to
attack
on
to
the
the
previous
response.
In
addition,
the
pedestrian
crossing
will
actually
have
a
textured
pavement
as
well,
so
it'll
be
a
different.
It's
not
just
going
to
be
paint
on
the
asphalt
it'll
have
a
different
texture
on
it.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
visual
cue
as
well
to
show
that
these
are
where
pedestrians
are
going
to
be
located
where
pedestrians
will
be
crossing
it's
a
vehicle
path.
G
So
it's
just
it's
a
visual
cue
for
both
the
drivers
and
for
the
pedestrians
now
moving
forward.
Moving
on
to
the
question
you
just
asked,
we
did
have
a
conversation
with
with
the
applicant
team
and
the
starbucks
representative
at
this
location
effectively
the
starbucks
they
will
not
be
putting
in
it's
another,
just
a
pedestrian,
only
or
walk
up
window
only
location
unless
it's
located
in
a
more
like
you're,
your
typical
downtown
setting
area.
So
there
was
the
drive-through
was
a
very.
G
F
G
G
F
G
G
So
bicycles,
they
can
actually
enter
in
its
multiple
ways,
so
one
they
can
actually
use
is
the
vehicle
driveway.
Since
they
are
technically
it's
a
vehicle
there,
they
can
ride
on
more
park
road,
so
they
can
enter
in
through
the
vehicle
vehicle
entrance.
Alternatively,
they
can
also,
if
they
are
walking
their
bike
on
the
sidewalk,
they
can
use
a
pedestrian
axis
way
and
lock
their
bike
up
at
that
location.
D
G
Okay,
so
I'm
actually
just
going
to
use
the
rendering
because
it
does
in
the
short
term
it
shows.
So
these
are
the
the
electrical
lines
that
you
have
here
so
they're
actually
located
within
the
public
right-of-way
right.
So
even
when
we're
looking
at
it
the
location
of
the
polls,
they
will
not
impede
the
location
of
the
of
any
of
the
new
driveway
entrances
for
this
site
or
even
a
potential
new
driveway
entrance
for
the
medical
office
directly
to
the
south.
So
those
are
located
completely
off-site
from
the
project.
D
D
C
I
G
No,
so
on
okay,
jasmine
there's,
because
the
project
is
actually
going
to
be
closing
the
driveway
apron
on
that
side.
So
you
can
actually,
you
might
be
able
to
get
it's
an
additional
parking
space
on
kaia
jasmine,
but
that
would
not
be
impacted
by
this
particular
project,
since
it
is
trying
to
it's
not
providing
any
access,
either
pedestrian
or
vehicular
access
to
that
side
of
the
street.
B
C
F
C
I
No,
we
we
would,
we
would
do
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis
in
this
case,
as
if
more
people
ended
up
parking
there
and
the
residents
across
the
street
weren't
happy
about
it,
we
would
look
into
it
and
do
a
study.
It
is
a
public
street
and
it's
open
to
the
public.
Currently,
there's
there's
quite
a
bit
of
parking,
that's
parked
on
there.
That
may
not
be
related
to
the
residents
that
look
directly
adjacent
to
it,
but
we
would
do
a
study
at
that
time.
B
Mr
nielsen,
going
back,
I
think
we
can
and
again
the
great
thing
about
having
great
commissioners.
They
ask
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
already
had,
but
in
terms
of
the
sidewalk
I
know
that
there's
some
improvements.
I
noticed
that
there's
a
bunch
of
wooden
poles
telephone
poles.
Are
there
any
plans
for
the
city
to
ever,
replace
those
poles
up
and
down
moorpark.
C
Yes,
those
those
are
66
kv,
high
powered
high
voltage
power
lines,
developers
not
required
to
underground
those,
but
sce
has
a
20,
a
program
where
we
collect
fees
every
year
and
it
all
goes
into
a
pot
and
eventually
we'll
have
enough
money
to
do
some
more
projects
like
that
and,
as
you
know,
right
now,
at
undergrounds
at
columbia
and
go
south.
So
this
is
a
long
term
plan
to
eventually
continue
going
north
and
underground
those
those
high
voltage
lines.
G
That
is
correct
and
I
can
actually
go
to
the
next
slide
and
I
can
show
you
that
okay,
so
here
we're
just
using
the
conceptual
landscape
plan,
there
was
a
drive
in
there's
an
existing
driveway
off
the
kaia
jasmine
and
off
of
avenida
de
los
flores.
Those
two
would
be
closed
off
and
the
applicant
would
have
to
make
necessary
upgrades
to
the
or
right
away
improvements
there.
G
G
B
The
the
driveway
and-
and
there
was
a
one
of
the
letters
from
the
public-
was
from
the
southern
neighbor.
I
guess
who
was
concerned
with
regard
to
the
easement
and
how
they
did
not
consent,
essentially
to
allow
their
easement
to
be
used.
Would
that
property
owner's
easement
still
be
part
of
these
plans,
or
is
it
now
now
separate.
G
So,
for
as
part
of
this
particular
plans,
the
project
site
would
not
require
the
use
of
that
easement.
However,
the
easement
would
still
exist
on
the
site
now,
if
the
adjacent
a
lot
of
it
does
come
down
to
the
wording
of
that
particular
easement
as
well,
which
staff
we
actually
don't
have
access
to
that
to
that
particular
wording.
But
it
is
a
private
easement
between
the
two
property
owners,
and
so
it
becomes
more
of
a
private
issue
between
between
the
two
of
them.
If,
if
they
decided
to
utilize
that
easement.
B
G
The
applicant
would
have
to
in
order
to
make
the
improvements
to
the
subject
to
the
medical
building
site.
They
would
have
to
get
agreements
with
that
particular
applicant
to
make
those
improvements
and
now,
in
terms
of
the
access
using
that
access
easement,
that
is
actually
already
recorded
as
part
of
the
medical
medical
office,
buildings
property.
G
So
the
the
project
site
can
already
utilize
that
existing
access
that
existing
easement
to
gain
access
to
the
site,
the
applicant
they
opted
to
move
in
one
of
the
original
proposals
is
they
were
proposing
to
utilize
that
existing
access
easement
to
gain
access
to
the
site.
However,
after
concerns
were
raised
about
potential
impacts
to
the
medical
office
building
property
due
to
any
potential
vehicle,
the
queuing
lane
backing
up,
maybe
potentially
blocking
it,
people
parking
and
walking
parking
at
the
medical
office
building
and
walking
to
starbucks.
B
Okay,
I
got
a
few
comments
from
from
some
people
saying
in
terms
of
the
traffic,
which
obviously
is
a
concern.
Is
there
any
way
to
and
again
this
is
a
question
I
got
so
I'm
relaying
on
is
in
terms
of
the
pedestrian
traffic.
Is
there
any
way
to
create
a
diagonal
walkway
or
something
where
traffic
is
stopped,
both
ways
to
allow
people
to
walk
in
an
l-shape
to
get
there
so
as
opposed
to
kind
of
creating
things
where
people
will
cross
inappropriately.
G
B
B
G
I
It's
it's
an
interesting
idea.
We
just
don't
have
that
high
of
volume
of
pedestrian
traffic.
That
would
use
all
four
corners
at
one
time.
I've
observed
it
when
the
the
project
came
in
before
with
the
7-eleven,
I
sat
out
there
for
quite
a
while
was
watching
the
students
in
the
morning
and
they
do
because
they
somewhat
platoon
across
the
signal
changes
and
they
all
are
headed
for
that
northwest
corner.
I
So
to
have
a
scramble,
I
think,
would
just
for
what
it's
worth
really
confuse
the
students
more
than
anything
else,
because
they're
not
used
to
it
and
we
don't
have
it
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
But
you
know
it's
something
in
the
future,
but
it's
it's
probably
something
we
wouldn't
consider
right
now.
B
Okay
last
question:
I
got
a
lot.
It
was
obviously
out
in
the
comments.
Is
that
does
the
city
have
the
ability
to
deny
applications?
If
there
are
too
many
of
a
certain
type
of
business
in
a
certain
area,
I
did
not
find
a
code
section
that
would
limit
the
city
in
some
way
of
of
saying
you
can't
put
a
business
here
because
there's
one
two
miles
away:
is
there
any
kind
of
code
section
you're
familiar
with
that?
That
would
actually
provide
for
that.
G
No,
so
the
city,
we
can't
control
where
the
businesses
are
actually
located.
So
if
there's
technically,
they
could
have
like
50
starbucks
along
here.
That
is
more
of
a
corporate
decision
for
starbucks.
So
we
we
physically
can't
control
where
they
are
actually
going
to
be
locating
or
what
specifically
it's
like
what
type.
So
the
city
can't
say
we're
all
going
to
reserve
this
site
for
a
hamburger
stand
or
anything
else.
J
Well,
I'm
not
sure
it
would
be
more
eloquent,
but
we
certainly
don't
have
a
statute
at
this
time.
I
will
tell
you
that
there
are
some
very
sensitive
types
of
uses
in
which
you
have
some
required
spacing
between
the
uses,
you
think
of
something
like
possibly
something
like
cannabis
or
even
hemp,
or
something
of
that
nature,
where
you
might
actually
have
a
distance
requirement
where
there
might.
You
can't
have
more
than
one
in
a
certain
zone
or
love
area.
J
I
will
tell
you,
though,
that
the
distance
usually
is
about
a
thousand
feet
at
the
most.
When
you
see
those
type
of
statutes,
we
don't
have
any
at
this
time
in
our
code.
So
the
answer
your
question
is,
we
don't
have
one
and
you
kind
of
expect
that
the
business
owner
who's
gonna,
be
investing
in
this
property.
Thinks
you're
gonna,
invest
in
something
that
they
think
is
gonna
work.
B
And
ultimately,
frank,
what
you've
said,
mr
nielsen
is
the
only
reason
this
is
really
before
us
is
two
setback
issues,
one
which
would
limit
the
size
of
building
to
five
feet
in
width
and
the
other
was
for
the
the
wall
correct.
That
is
correct,
otherwise
it
would
have
been
just
approved
through
the
ordinary
plane
check
process.
B
E
Yes,
I
did
have
one
question
about
the
traffic
flow
in
your
report.
It
shows
that
a
lot
of
the
the
drivers
will
be
making
a
u-turn
at
moorpark
and
columbia.
Road.
Have
you
done
some
sort
of
analysis?
Is
that
going
to
be
able
to
be
capable
of
handling
the
all
those
u-turns?
Will
the
signal
be
adjusted
or
how
is
that
going
to
work.
I
Yes,
so
that's
the
traffic
pattern,
if
you're
going
southbound
on
moorpark
that
you'll
have
to
make
that
you
turn
to
come
back
up
to
turn
into
the
driveway,
we'll
continue
to
monitor
that
intersection
like
we
do
all
intersection
of
the
city
and
if
we
have
to
add
additional
time
to
make
that
u-turn,
it
would
be
added
at
this
time.
We
don't
anticipate
that
much
traffic,
because
it's
overall
there's
there's
not
that
much
traffic.
I
K
K
Have
had
a
great
concerns
about
their
children
walking
to
and
from
work
also
loitering
after
work,
and
so
we
have
the
10
foot
landscape
requirement
on
the
east
side
next
to
jasmine.
But
we
moved
the
wall
five
feet
closer
to
the
sidewalk,
so
the
kids
would
not
have
the
space
to
stop
and
and
play
around.
So
that's
the
reason
we
we
still
have
the
ten
foot
landscape
and
we
just
moved
the
walls
so
the
at
the
after
the
parents
request
because
they
they
wanted
that
space
to
be
reduced.
K
Their
biggest
concern,
as
I
said,
was
the
safety
of
their
children.
Walking
to
school
solve
this
problem.
We
eliminated
driveways
on
jasmine
and
flores
and
of
course
we
kept
the
one
driveway
on
moorpark.
As
far
as
we
could
from
the
intersection,
we
will
also
be
building
besides
the
six
foot
block
wall
and
jasmine,
we're
going
to
do
six
foot,
metals
fence
facing
ardules
and
a
six
foot
fence
on
moorpark
and
that's
to
keep
the
children
from
cutting
diagonally
across
the
site
as
they
go
to
school.
K
K
I
believe
he
was
the
owner
and
we
talked
about
the
traffic
problem
there
of
mingling
co-mingling
traffic
and
he
definitely
did
not
want
to
co-mingle.
So
that's
the
reason
and
then,
as
you
heard,
the
conversations
with
the
staff,
my
client
decided
to
build
two
separate
driveways
now
keep
in
mind
my
truck.
My
client
will
pay
for
all
this
driveway
work
for
both
the
neighbor
as
well
as
himself.
K
K
Now
some
some
of
the
neighbors
said
they
would
like
to
see
a
park
on
this
side.
So
we
we
took
that
as
a
as
a
clue
and
we
planted
you
may
notice
on
the
landscape
plan.
Is
that
mr
nielsen
said
we
have
a
lot
of
trees
on
this
site
and
the
reason
is
to
create
a
very
special
unique
look
apart.
More
of
a
park-like
setting.
K
K
K
H
Frankly,
thank
you
and,
and
commissioner
mcmahon,
it's
taylor
magdale
the
applicant
also
just
to
segue
and
and
dovetail
off
what
neil
said
they're.
Also,
if
you
did
a
two
menu
board
option
at
this
site,
then
you
would
be
pulling
the
menu
board
closer
to
kaya
jasmine,
just
by
the
nature
of
the
site,
which
would
cause
more
noise
to
the
residential
area.
We
purposefully
have
designed
the
menu
board
to
be
closest
to
the
corner,
to
mitigate
for
sound
and
bleeding
into
the
residential.
H
F
Okay,
this
can
be
either
from
mr
mcdonald
or
mr
scrivener.
I
I
didn't
see
the
design
change
plan
as
far
as
the
neighboring
property
goes,
mr
scrivener,
you
just
mentioned
that
they're,
adding
force
you're,
adding
four
spaces
to
the
southern
properties
parking
lot,
the
medical
center
and
but
my
impression
is-
is
that
the
owner
of
the
property
of
the
south
of
you
sent
a
letter
in
opposition
to
this.
So
has
he
agreed
to
this
and
b
if
he
isn't
in
agreement
with
this?
K
Now,
when
I
worked
out
the
plan
with
the
neighbor
the
last
time,
I
sent
it
to
him,
it
was
his
response
to
make
the
driveway
a
bit
wider,
which
I
did
and
then
I
actually
added
three
parking
spaces.
It
would
be
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
medical
site
there.
There
are
three
spaces
between
a
planter
and
the
sidewalk.
H
And
commissioner,
but
commissioner
bus
also,
you
know
I
I
want
to
clarify
too,
that
we
did
approach
the
neighbor
specifically
because
we
have
this
large
single
easement,
where
we
both
share
one
curb
cut
and
we
actually
reached
out
proactively
to
him.
I
read
the
letter
in
the
packet.
You
know,
which
I
thought
was
slightly
disingenuous.
Only
because
we've
been
trying
to
be
very
proactive,
you
know
with
the
gentleman
and
the
owner
and
the
idea
was
to
separate
and
bifurcate
them.
We
worked.
H
You
know
obviously
right
in
hand
with
kathy
who's
done,
a
spectacular
job,
helping
us
and
you
know,
trying
to
get
the
traffic
and
the
mitigation
right
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
impact
to
the
adjacent
property
owner
and
the
reason
we
came
up
with
the
separate
driveways
was
actually
to
tailor
and
cater
to
the
adjacent
office
owner
candidly.
You
know
starbucks,
nor
you
know
the
property
owner
or
future
property
owner
of
the
site.
You
know
wouldn't
mind
whether
it's
one
big
access
or
two
separate
ones.
H
F
K
H
So
it
was
basically
50
50
on
each
of
our
properties,
which
is
why
the
existing
ease,
which
is
per
the
existing
easement
in
place,
and
so
what
our
proposal
was
to
the
adjacent
property
owner
in
conjunction
with
kathy,
was
to
say.
Okay,
instead
of
having
this,
you
know
easement
area,
we
would
effective.
You
know
where
we
shared
a
driveway.
We
would
bring
our
driveway
completely
onto
our
property
and
we
would
make
the
improvements
to
his
property
to
make
an
ingress
and
egress
onto
his
as
well
so
they'd
be
completely
independent.
K
Well,
I
think
we
would
need
it
for
the
new
driveway
on
their
site,
but,
as
I
said
when
I,
when
I
talked
to
him,
he
did
not
want
to
mix
traffic
and
he
was
concerned
that
the
starbucks
customers
would
park
over
on
the
medical.
Well,
the
best
way
to
solve
that
problem
is
to
have
two
driveways,
because
you
can't
turn
left
to
go
back
to
the
medical
building
once
you're
in
starbucks,
so
it
it
really
works
best
for
him
this
way,
and
I'm
amazed
if
he,
if
he's
against
it,.
G
C
G
Okay,
are
you
able
to
see
this?
This
is
the
civil
drawing
yes,
okay,
so
here
is
the
the
proposed
driveway
on
the
adjacent
property.
Sorry
yeah,
no
perfect!
Thank
you,
so
the
current
driveway
would
actually
be
spanning
the
two
properties
and
then
the
applicant
is
currently
proposing
constructing
it's
a
new
driveway,
two
two
new
drivers,
one
for
the
medical
office
building
and
then
one
for
this
particular
property.
G
So
if
the
commission
were
to
approve
the
project
and
if
the
project
is
submitted
to
the
city
for
formal
review
going
through
public
works,
they
would
be
reviewing
this
and
there's
would
have
to
be
effectively
the
private
agreement
between
the
two
property
owners
to
make
these
improvements
to
to
the
medical
office.
Building.
F
K
Owner
wrote:
well,
I
I
think
if
he,
if
he
understands
that
this
solves
his
problem,
that
he
point
he
mentioned
to
me
when
we
I
first
talked
to
him.
He
does
not
want
to
mix
traffic,
he
doesn't
want
their
par
customers
come
parked
on
him.
This
solves
both
of
those
problems.
I
think
when
he
sees
this.
Finally,
he
will
agree,
but
I
don't
know
I
can't
speak
for
him.
F
Yeah,
I
I
my
concern
is:
is
that
a
50
feet?
Distance
between
those
two
entries
could
create
confusion
for
people
following
that
is
a
road
or
if
the
speed
limit
is
45
miles
an
hour.
Somebody
makes
turns
on
their
turn
signal
and
the
person
behind
him
is
trying
to
go
to
the
starbucks,
and
the
person
in
front
wants
to
go
to
the
medical
center
that
you
know.
F
K
Yeah,
remember
we
als.
We
already
have
that
condition.
The
medical
building
has
been
functioning
under
those
terms
and
the
problem
with
the
medical
building
today,
because
the
driveways
in
the
center,
when
you
come
off
more
parts,
you
have
to
make
a
180
degree
turn
and
go
back
south
before
you
can
turn
left
into
the
parking.
K
K
F
Well,
that's
what
I
was
saying
is
that
person's
slowing
down
significantly
and
then
the
person
that
wants
to
go
to
starbucks
behind
them
may
think
that
they're
going
to
go
to
the
next
exit,
and
then
we
got
all
kinds
of
fun.
So
yes,
I
agree
that
that's
that's
a
possible
issue
and
then,
when
you
add
in
the
fact
that
there's
a
bike
lane
there
and
18
bike
parking
spaces
at
the
starbucks
and
that
gets
real,
exciting.
So
yeah,
that's
that's
a
lot
to
consider.
F
F
K
I
I
think,
because
this
is
the
neighborhood
center
it's
a
little
different
than
downtown,
but
nevertheless,
I
think
the
traffic
study
took
into
account
all
the
kids,
as
well
as
the
additional
stack
space
that
would
be
needed,
and
that,
of
course,
is
what
we
responded
to
and
we
added,
as
you
know,
even
more
stack
and
we've
added
more
parking.
Yes,
sir.
B
I
had
just
a
few
since
my
other
commissioners
asked
a
lot
of
questions
that
were
ones
I
had.
The
the
sign
on
the
property
indicates
that
the
applicant
is
taylor
megdal.
However,
the
document
we
have
here
says
it's
megdol
and
associates,
which
I
looked
up
and
I
don't
see
that
it's
an
existing
entity.
So
exactly
who
is
the
applicant.
H
H
B
Again,
the
reason
I
ask
is
that
there's
indemnifications
and
lots
of
obligations
for
the
applicant,
and
I
always
want
to
see
if
it's
something
that
exists
in
terms
of
making
those
representations.
So
it's
an
entity
to
be
formed,
correct,
correct,
commissioner,
and
looking
at
the
property
right
next
to
the
sign.
Notifying
of
this
hearing
is
a
huge
for
sale
sign
and
in
fact,
if
you
go
on
loop,
then
it
looks
like
it's
under
contract.
Is
there
a
new
owner
or
going
to
be
a
new
owner.
H
Yes,
commissioner,
so
actually
the
ownership
group,
the
cox,
family,
trust
who
is
also
on
the
zoom
justin
cox.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
him,
but
the
idea
is,
if
this
is
approved,
we
will
acquire
it
from
the
existing
ownership
and
apply
for
the
building
permits
and
sign
all
of
the
legal
documentation
under
the
new
and
and
actually
cl
new
new
entity
that
we
form.
H
So,
commissioner,
lanson
starbucks
will
be
building,
we
will
be
in
charge.
The
landlord
group
will
be
in
charge
of
a
lot
of
the
off
sites
and
the
improvements
to
the
driveways
and
the
sidewalks,
and
the
new
proposed
bus,
stop
and
so
forth
and
starbucks
will
actually
build
and
construct
the
actual
building.
B
J
B
B
Let
me
actually
read
the
the
part
that
goes
with
this
now
we'll
go
to
public
comment.
We
have
a
number
of
speakers
that
keeps
getting
added,
so
I
don't
know
the
exact
number,
but
all
will
be
appearing
by
video
conference.
Each
speaker
will
have
three
minutes.
Please
state
your
name
and
your
city
of
residence.
B
L
L
You
know,
I
see
this
as
a
traffic
and
safety
nightmare
and
it's
definitely
going
to
change
the
scope
of
my
neighborhood
and
you
know
I
have
those
same
concerns
that
mr
bus
was
talking
about
with
with
the
driveways
and
the
cars
trying
to
get
in
and
out
of
there.
That
is
45
miles
an
hour.
My
house,
the
back.
My
backyard,
is
not
very
far
downward
park
from
there
based
on
seeing
the
other
starbucks
like
I
was
near.
L
The
one
on
dusenberg
and
the
cars
are
are
poured
out
onto
t.o
boulevard,
so
I
feel
like
inevitably,
cars
will
pour
out
of
that
of
the
drive-through
onto
moore
park
road
and
be
stopped
there,
which
you
know
we've
already
had.
We
have
cart,
we
have,
you
know
brakes
squeaks,
screeching,
all
the
time
behind
our
house
and
and
our
home
happens
to
be
one
of
the
backyards
that
is
on
this
part
of
our
yard
is
on
the
same
level
as
moore
park.
L
Road
we
have
had
cars
hit
that
wall,
so
I'm
very
nervous
at
having
cars
lined
up
on
moore
park.
Road
dead
stopped
where
somebody
might
end
up
coming
through
my
backyard,
where
my
kids
and
my
dogs
are
and
the
other
issue
with
that
is
if
they
cover
the
driveway
for
the
medical
office
and
those
people
can't
get
in
then
they're
going
to
come
park
on
kaye
jasmine.
We
have
a
certain
amount
of
parking
from
the
medical
office,
but
if
they
can't
get
into
the
driveway,
then
they're
all
going
to
come
on
to
kylie
jasmine.
L
L
There
was
a
drive-through
dairy.
I
think
we
talked
about
this
with
7-eleven
on
the
other
side
of
flores
and
part
of
the
problem
was
that
kids
hung
out
there
too
much
and
loitered
from
the
high
school.
I
I
am
I
wrong,
I
mean
so
I
think
that's
good.
We're
gonna
have
a
big
problem,
a
big
problem
with
that.
C
A
C
Mr
bus
went
to
to
high
school
because
he
knows
see.
I
know
because
I
live
two
doors
down
from
the
from
where
they're
proposing
to
do
this.
It's
a
very
sleepy
neighborhood.
As
mr
bus
knows
it's
very
residential.
It's
very
young
families
right
across
the
street,
from
where
they're
proposing
to
starbucks
is
babies.
They
have
babies
in
your
old,
we're
all
around
this
high
traffic
area
and
high
noise
there.
So
I
guess
the
big
issue
a
couple
big
issues
right.
C
C
I,
it
is
absolutely
a
horrible
place
for
this
kind
of
high
traffic
drive-thru.
It
is
just
not
a
place
for
it.
It's
a
place
for
a
medical
building
perfect
for
that
sleepy
little
medical
building
right
there.
Next
to
us,
we
can
do
that,
but
I
think
to
have
a
all
the
noise
of
them
ordering
I'd
like
to
have
a
vente
starbucks.
C
You
know
mokachoka,
you
know
latte,
it's
that's
going
to
be
all
day
long
in
my
backyard
I'll
hear
it
all
day,
all
night
it's
just
going
to
be
going
and
going
in,
especially
across
three
of
those
people's
babies.
So
it's
gonna
be
really
bad
noise.
Secondly,
it's
gonna
be,
as
you
know,
all
the
high
school
students,
while
they're
texting
with
their
cell
phones
and
carrying
it,
and
the
eight
o'clock
bell
is
ringing.
They're
gonna
run
across
jaywalking
across
so
I
would
predict
some
fatalities.
C
Possibly
I
mean
I
I'd
it'd
be
hard
to
predict,
not
a
fatality
of
a
jaywalking
fatality
as
they're
running
across
and
on
their
texting
and
running
across
their
starbucks
cup.
Trying
to
get
across
and
it's
you
know
it's
45
degrees
or
45
miles
per
hour,
they're
screeching
on
their
brakes.
There's
no
turn
lane
right
there.
When
you're
going
north
on
more
park
road,
taking
a
ride,
so
they're
going
to
come
screeching
to
a
halt
and
it's
going
to
be.
It's
really
been
a
nightmare,
especially.
I
know
why
the
medical
office
doesn't
want
it.
C
It's
going
to
block
their
driveway
there's
no
way
because
and
then,
when
they
come
out,
they're
going
to
get
t-boned
they're
going
to
come
out
of
starbucks
and
they're
going
to
get
t-boned
at
45
miles
an
hour
as
they
come
out
of
the
starbucks,
it's
just
if
they
can
get
out.
So
it's
really
really
a
horrible
idea
from
a
noise
perspective,
a
traffic
perspective,
traffic
fatalities,
possibilities,
it's
just
not
a
good
place
for
it
and
then
we're
in
a
sleepy
little
neighborhood,
they're
all
going
to
park
all
the
kids
park
on
jasmine
already.
C
So
it's
already
packed
with
parking
and
now
you're
gonna
have
people
trying
to
park
around
double
parked.
It's
it's
you'd
have
to.
If
you
lived
here,
you
would
never
ever
consider
putting
this
in
here
with
a
high
traffic
drive
through
ever
you
just
wouldn't
do
it
it's
not
a
place
for
it
all
right
feel
the
same
way.
It's
just
cove
it
and
zoom,
and
no
one's
here
it.
C
C
M
Yeah
I'm
here,
can
you
hear
me
we
can
hear
yeah
so
so
same
thing,
probably
like
all
the
other
residents
I
mean
just
just
looking
at
this
there's,
I
don't
think
anyone's
ever
passed
the
starbucks
drive-through
that
hasn't
been
pouring
out
on
the
street.
They
showed
that
picture
with
the
18
cars.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
is
familiar
with
that
little
lot
there.
M
I
I
don't
see
18
cars
sitting
in
there,
like
that,
especially
I
mean
unless
they're
bumper
to
bumper,
like
a
valet
parking
lot,
that's
kind
of
concerning
two
of
us
too,
like
what,
if
there's
an
emergency
some
caught
on
fire,
there's
a
medical
emergency.
How
are
they
gonna
get
like
ambulances,
fire
trucks
in
there
it
started
off
like
for
a
24
hour
7-eleven.
M
M
Like
I
mean,
if,
if
you
have
a
speaker
right
by
your
house,
I
mean
we're
gonna
hear
just
like
I
forget
to
stay
in
wilson.
I
mean
people
are
to
be
ordering.
Who
knows
what
we're
going
to
hear
it?
It
went
from
like
a
10
foot
wall
to
an
eight
foot
wall.
I
think
now
to
six,
but
now
it's
supposed
to
be
like
10
feet
of
plants
that
that's
that's
not
gonna,
definitely
not
going
to
stop
the
noise.
What
else
yeah
lights
from
the
vehicles.
M
M
L
L
L
My
concern
was
also
putting
some
type
of
fencing
on
the
south
side
of
the
property,
a
block
wall
or
something
because
the
cars
coming
in
are
facing
east
and
all
of
those
lights
are
going
to
be
towards
my
house.
Then,
when
they're
facing
you
know
when
the
wall
is
going
to
be
on
the
east
side
on
jasmine,
the
wall
really
does
need
to
be
a
little
higher
than
that.
L
So
and
again
the
noise,
the
traffic
people
will
probably
be
making
those
that
can't
find
parking,
are
gonna
again
come
on
to
jasmine
or
even
possibly
in
front
of
my
house,
and
it's
bad
enough
when
the
high
school
is
in
session,
having
just
a
ton
of
people
around
and
I'm
just
trying
to.
If
there
was
anything
else
most
people
have
touched
on
this
stuff.
L
Because
you
know
that
the
proposed
amount
of
cars
they're
going
to
go
out
onto
the
street.
The
people
trying
to
get
into
the
medical
building
are
going
to
be
stuck.
It's
just
going
to
be
a
big,
I
think
that's
a
really
big
problem,
I'm
worried
about
all
the
high
schoolers
and
all
the
kids
walking
I
get
that
we
do
need
something,
but
I
really
am
concerned
about
the
well-being
of
first
of
all,
the
kids
that
are
walking,
and
you
know
I
don't
really
want
a
ton
of
traffic,
it's
bad
enough.
B
C
You're
you're,
muted
there
we
go
sorry
about
that.
How
are
you
good
go
ahead?
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
I'm
a
commercial
property
owner.
I
don't
live
in
the
city,
but
you
know
I
I've
driven
the
stretch
numerous
times
and
you
know.
I
do
think
that
you
know
it's
it's
an
interesting
location
for
starbucks.
C
I
think
it
is
a
neighborhood
location
which
is
obviously
going
to
serve
the
community,
but
I
think
the
drive
through
the
benefit
of
it
just
from
looking
at
it,
and
you
know
looking
at
the
designs
and
everything
and
sitting
in
on
the
hearing.
I
think
the
developer's
done
a
really
interesting
job
of
keeping
everything
on
site.
I've
never
seen
a
queue
like
that.
C
Where
there's
that
many
cars
on
site
before
the
wall
around
it,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
that
the
neighbors
are
saying
does
make
a
lot
of
sense,
but
they've
all
been
mitigated
and
or
can
be
mitigated
in
the
future,
and
you
know
just
from
someone
who
does
you
know
tries
to
do
work
in
thousand
oaks.
I
think
this
is
just
a
really
sort
of
a
win
for
the
city,
especially
in
covet
right
now,
where
you
know
some
of
our
some
of
my
properties
that
you
know
I
work
on.
C
You
know
we're
having
trouble,
leasing
and
bringing
businesses
in
so
at
a
time
like
this,
where
starbucks
does
want
to,
you
know,
actually
move
forward
with
a
project,
and
you
know
build
something
that
fits
into
the
character
of
the
community
and
does
actually
look
really
great.
You
know,
I
think
it's
something
that
shouldn't
be
discounted
and
and
really
should
be
taken
seriously
so
anyway,
thank
you
for
having
me
and
thank
you
what's.
C
B
I
West
hollywood,
california-
and
I
live-
I
mean
I
work
in
the
area,
so
you
know
I
drive
on
moore
park
road
for
several
years
and
you
know
I
haven't
I've
just
seen
that
vacant
piece
of
land
sitting
there.
So
when
I
found
out
that
a
starbucks
was
coming,
I
was
really
excited
and
I
still
I'm
really
excited,
and
I
hope
that
I
hope
this
works
out.
You
know
it's
kind
of
unsightly
that
that
plot
of
land-
that's
just
been
sitting
there
and
a
drive-through
would
be
incredible.
I
I
B
C
C
C
The
only
other
concern
but
like
they
said
is
the
the
speaker.
I
know
people
who
live
on
our
bless
and
they
say
the
mcdonald's
and
the
p
l
burger
and
all
that
stuff.
They
can
hear
the
cat
taco
bell.
They
can
hear
people
ordering,
so
I
don't
know
if
they
can
reduce
the
volume
of
the
the
intercom
or
have
some
other
way
to
order
when
people
are
in
the
drive
through.
But
that
would
be
it.
C
K
G
C
H
C
H
C
H
C
C
Zach
alvin
resident
of
los
angeles,
but
a
commercial
property
owner
in
the
san
fernando
valley
and
also
in
ventura
county.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
think
the
proposed
starbucks
is
great,
especially
in
the
covent
environment.
I
think
drive-throughs
are
more
important
than
ever
and
then,
on
top
of
it,
no
one's
more
efficient
than
starbucks
when
it
comes
to
their
online
app
with
being
able
to
expedite
the
ordering
and
pickup.
So
I
think
it'll
be
a
great
addition
and
certainly
much
better
than
what
the
property
is
right
now.
C
C
I've
also
heard
some
people
want
to
make
it
a
public
park.
There
might
be
a
problem
with
homelessness
or
a
lot
of
the
high
school
kids
going
there
and
getting
into
mischief.
So
I
actually
think
that
the
starbucks
is
a
great
addition
to
the
neighborhood.
I
think
it's
a
really
smart
usage
of
this
small
space
and
this
will
guarantee
that
this
area
will
be
safe
and
secure
for
all
of
the
residential
owners
that
have
that
have
called
in
and
are
are
concerned
about.
B
G
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner.
Pardon
me
so
first
to
kind
of
address
some
of
the
concerns
about
the
queue
spilling
out
onto
northmoor
park
road.
Some
of
the
public
speakers
did
mention
it's
the
duesenberg
starbucks
and
the
ranch
of
starbucks,
so
staff.
We
did
go
out
to
those
particularly
to
those
sites
to
observe
how
large
those
vehicle
queues
did
get.
G
So
in
both
of
those
cases,
if
we
were
to
apply
that
those
numbers
to
the
proposed
project
site,
all
those
vehicles
would
be
able
to
be
contained
on
site
without
spilling
out
onto
north
moorpark
road,
and
that's
because
the
vehicle
queue
itself
has
the
capacity
for
18
vehicles,
plus
there's
four
additional
potential
for
additional
buffer
spaces.
We
can
kind
of
say
that
are
contained
within
the
parking
lot,
so
you're
talking
it's
a
20
about
approximately
22
total
spaces
that
the
site
could
accommodate
before
it
would
spill
out
onto
northmoor
park
road.
G
G
It's
that
would
the
applicant
would
have
to
be
would
have
to
go
through,
create
do
a
study
and
create
mitigation
measures
for
how
they
would
be
able
to
address
those
issues
and
resolve
any
potential
impacts
of
the
of
the
vehicle
queue
backing
up
into
the
public
right
away.
So
it's
actually
about
the
entire
conditions
about
a
page
long
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
standards
and
thresholds
that
the
project
would
actually
have
to
meet
moving
forward.
G
And
if
you
want
it's
like
you
could,
if
you
would
like,
we
can
actually
defer
to
chair
lancet.
If
you
would
like
to
review
that
particular
condition,
but
just
highlighting
it
to
you
additionally,
additionally,
in
terms
of
the
pedestrian
circulation,
we
know
that
there
was
a
significant
concerns
from
the
neighbors
about
students
making
all
the
crossings
to
the
particular
site.
G
When
we're
looking
at
it.
It
is
moore
park
and
avenida
de
los
flores.
It
is
a
controlled
intersection.
So
you
do.
We
do
have
it's
the
lights
with
the
signalized
crosswalks
and
everything
else.
So
we
would
hope
that
high
schoolers
would
utilize
those
locations,
but
additionally,
just
more
on
the
site
itself
is
that
there
are.
G
They
were
also
indicating
that
the
six
foot
wall
height
it's
too
low
for
to
block
from
the
noise
or
light
glare
or
even
from
either
the
vehicles
or
from
the
light
standards,
and
then
there
was
another
reason
for
that.
Now
for
this
this
particular
project,
one,
a
staff,
did
condition
the
pro
the
all
the
light
standards.
G
The
parking
lot
light
standards
in
the
site,
so
it
would
be
the
lights,
have
to
be
shielded
down
towards
and
only
focus
on,
the
project
site
in
order
to
limit
the
amount
of
light
bleeding
on
to
adjacent
properties.
So
the
project
has
its
two
two
separate
conditions
based
on
light
standards
there.
Additionally,
any
light,
that's
on
the
building
on
building
lighting
that
is
covered
under
those
conditions.
So
it's
really
trying
to
limit
the
amount
of
light
impacts
on
adjacent
properties
in
terms
of
the
wall,
the
wall
height.
F
F
One
of
the
major
differences
between
this
moore
park,
road
site
and
duesenberg
rancho
is
a
the
speed
of
the
street
and
b
the
volume
of
traffic
on
those
roads.
Rancho,
I
believe,
doesn't
get
nearly
the
traffic
the
moore
park.
Road
does
at
its
peak
hours
and
I
know
duesenberg
doesn't
so
I
was
curious.
G
It's
contained
within
the
the
parking
in
the
queueing
study,
so
that's
the
state
standards
yeah
yeah,
the
within
that
particular
report.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
it
surveyed
it
was
three
different
locations.
It
was
one
in
redlands,
which
is
almost
almost
identical
in
terms
of
these.
Such
the
science.
F
G
G
G
F
B
I
Okay,
so
it
was
very
important
when
we
we,
that,
when
wood
rogers
did
their
traffic
study,
their
queuing
study
and
the
parking
study
to
look
at
as
much
as
possible,
what
would
be
considered
during
normal
times
during
covert
times
isn't
considered
normal.
We
don't
know
if
things
are
are
yeah,
it's
just
not
what
we
would
ever
consider
normal
traffic
studies
are
never
done
on
mondays
and
fridays.
We
don't
do
them
during
climate
weather.
We.
I
Them
on
the
holidays,
we
do
during
normal
times
a
big
part
of
what's
going
on,
there's
no
school
in
session,
so
none
of
the
sites
in
the
city
even
reflect
what
would
happen
when
school's
in
session.
So
what
don
did
they
went
out
and
looked
at
well
right
now
during
covid?
What's
going
on?
What's
the
stacking,
but
an
important
thing
is
those
two
existing
sites?
I
Don't
have
this
extremely
onerous
condition
that
if
they
stack
into
the
street,
they
have
to
do
all
these
steps
to
mitigate
the
impact,
the
stacking
to
the
street,
because
we
recognize
that
moore
park
road
is
completely
different
than
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
rancho
road
in
duesenberg.
So
we
put
this
page
loan
condition.
I
think
it's
four
five
paragraphs,
letting
the
applicant
know
up
front
you're
gonna
have
to
comply
and
not
step
into
the
street.
We
feel
they
provide
by
providing
18
car
stacking.
I
They
are
they're
not
going
to
have
this
problem,
but
we
really
don't
know
we
don't
have
a
starbucks
across
from
a
high
school
on
mar
park
road
during
school
time.
We
did
our
best
guess
using
existing
data
from
three
other
locations
and
even
though,
like
the
one
in
redlands
is
not
in
our
city,
it
is
adjacent
to
a
high
school.
So
that
was
you
know
and
they
were
able
to
get
data
prior
to
covet
for
the
stacking.
B
G
G
Now,
for
this
we
do
know
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
new
drive-through
starbucks
in
the
in
a
jam's
marketplace,
and
so
that's
on
the
southern
end
of
of
moore
park.
Road
and
then
this
is
a
new
proposed
new
drive-through
starbucks
on
the
northern
end.
So
starbucks
is
effectively
bookmarking
book,
ending
sorry
moore
park
road
and
I
don't
know
what
their
plan
is
for
that
stand
alone,
store
at
the
corner
of
jams
and
moore
park.
B
B
G
D
Yes,
this
is
commissioner
cohan,
just
one
small
call.
Thank
you.
This
was
regards
to
patricia
bond's
question
regarding
the
wall
height.
She
did
mention
the
six
foot
wall
was
not
enough
and
just
for
my
understanding
are
there.
Two
walls
proposed
one
for
the
queuing
wall
and
one
one:
six
foot
high
screening
wall
on
the
south
side.
G
Yeah,
so
on
the
east
side
of
the
property
along
kaye
jasmine,
there
is
a
proposed
six
foot
tall
block
wall
with
landscaping
on
either
side,
so
there's
going
to
be
trees
and
other
landscaping.
Locating
it
along
avenida
de
los,
flores
and
moore
park.
Road
it'll
actually
be
it's
a
raw
iron,
a
six
foot
tall
raw
iron
fence
and
the
purpose
behind
that
is
to
control
pedestrian
movements.
D
D
G
F
B
K
Yeah,
I
wanted
to
say
that,
of
course,
before
designing
I
went
out
there
and
analyzed
the
you
know
the
sight
lines
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
the
impacts
the
house
is
directly
east
on
jasmine
of
the
two
houses.
They
don't
have
any
openings
on
this
side,
so
there
cannot
be
any
light
penetration
or
actually
sound.
K
A
a
vehicle
over
eight
feet
cannot
even
go
in
the
stack
space,
so
I
don't
see
how
any
light
is
going
to
be
so
reach
those
people.
But
of
course,
we
would
be
willing
to
build
eight
feet
if
that's
what
you
want,
but
I
I
just
think
light
in
the
surrounding
area,
especially
already
have
a
medical
building
was
that's
totally
open
to
residential
kids,
can
walk
right
through
the
medical
site.
There's
nothing
there
to
stop
them.
That's
existing
today
and
I've
never
heard
anyone
complain
about
it.
K
K
K
They're
they're,
hearing
traffic
noise
from
the
street,
and
I
just
think
we
can
tune
down
the
order
board.
That's
where
really
the
the
most
noise
will
be
coming
from
is
the
order
board.
You
can
tune
that
down,
and
this
has
happened
other
places
I
I
understand,
so
we
can
very
easily
solve
the
sound
problem
so
with
that,
unless
you
have
other
questions.
H
If,
if
I
could
chime
in
it's
taylor
magdale
the
applicant,
I
just
want
to
kind
of
express
just
largely
and
holistically
how
proud
I
am
of
this
proposal.
The
7-eleven
proposal,
you
know
was
met
with
a
resounding
opposition.
You
know
from
the
neighborhood,
and
I
understood
that-
and
you
know,
ironically,
when
we
were
going
about
that
process,
you
know
we
tried
to
educate
ourselves
on
what
the
community
wanted,
and
you
know
multiple.
H
You
know,
residential
neighbors
and
everyone
that
we
used
to
speak
to
regarding
the
7-11
was
saying
to
us:
why
don't
you
bring
a
starbucks
so
ironically,
we
were
able
to
get
starbucks
in
this.
You
know
very
coveted
depleted.
You
know
retail
depression
environment
to
step
up
to
the
site
and
I'm
proud.
We
got
that
and
I'm
proud
that
you
know
our
our
team
really
listened
to.
You
know
the
kind
of
the
will
of
the
neighbors
and
I
know
they're
still.
You
know
we
can't
please
everyone.
H
I
know
there's
a
couple
comments
regarding
traffic
and
light
and
noise,
and
we
heard
those-
and
we
you
know
during
our
neighborhood
outreach,
really
designed
the
project
to
offset
those
and
mitigate
those,
and
I
think
the
staff
did
a
great
job
with
the
conditions
of
approval,
because
you
know
the
conditions
of
approval.
I
think
we're
like
40
60
pages,
and
we
invite
that
accountability.
H
I
you
know
reviewed
those
and
they
were
stiff
and
they
appropriately
were
stiff
and
you
know
put
in
place
measures
and
you
know
safeguards
so
that
we
can't
run
afoul
of
any
of
these.
I
know
in
the
instance
of
traffic,
for
example,
if
there
is
bleeding,
if
there
is
an
issue
we
have
to
undergo,
you
know
a
lot
of
mitigation
efforts
and
if
those
don't
work,
we
could
get
shut
down
and
we
will
be
shut
down.
H
I
mean,
and
you
know
it
will
be
millions
of
dollars-
god
forbid
down
the
drain,
so
we
have
done.
You
know
a
a
dearth
of
you
know:
research
ourselves,
along
with
the
cities,
queuing
study
and
traffic,
folks,
no
starbucks
and
us
you
know
we
have
analyzed
the
traffic
data,
the
intersections
we've
compared
them
to
local
stores.
And
ultimately
it's
you
know
our
capital
on
the
line.
If
we
can't
execute
on
a
safe
traffic
mitigated
location
because
we
have
the
fear
of
god
and
the
fear
of
a
shutdown
you
know
looming.
H
A
G
Yeah,
I
do
have
a
response
for,
for
commissioner
cohan.
Please
go
ahead
so
in
terms
of
the
block
wall
it
was.
The
material
was
not
included
on
the
material
board.
However,
the
city
we
do
have
the
basically
it's
the
design
guidelines
for
commercial
industrial
properties.
The
resolution
number
is
escaping
me,
but
any
walls
they
do
have
to
abide
by
that.
So
in
there
I
think
it's
they
have.
It
calls
for
split
face
walls.
G
D
G
D
I
I
The
residents
in
that
neighborhood
park
on
their
street,
for
example,
across
from
flores
across
from
the
high
school
west
of
berks,
that
neighborhood
has
permit
parking
so
that
the
high
school
kids,
not
that
anyone
on
the
commission
would
have
done
that
when
they
went
to
high
school
there
would
have
parked
in
the
neighborhood
so
going
forward.
We
as
staff,
wouldn't
make
any
changes
to
the
existing
parking
without
hearing
from
the
residents
first
and
we
would
go
through
the
very
specific
steps.
I
If
that's
what
the
neighborhood
as
a
whole
wants
and
part
of
it
goes
to
traffic
commission
and
then
it
goes
to
city,
council
and
it's
administered
by
staff.
So
that's
that's
what
we
would
be
looking
at
for
the
neighborhood
to
come
to
the
city
and
then
we
would
start
studying
it,
and
if
that,
if
that's
what
they
wanted,
that's
one
of
the
options
they
could
pursue.
B
K
H
Thank
you,
commissioner,
lance
and
I
don't
know
where
I
got
cut
off,
but
but
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
I
suppose
in
you
know
broad
strokes
is
we
want
to
be
held
accountable?
We
really,
you
know,
appreciate
the
city's
input.
You
know.
I
know
I
spoke
about
traffic
before
I
had
my
computer
glitch,
but
you
know
as
far
as
light
as
well.
H
I
know
in
the
conditions
of
approval,
if
you
know
our
lights
bleed
out
into
the
street
or
if
you
know
even
there
are
cars
that
you
know
have
bleeding
into
the
community.
We
are
held
accountable
and
we
should
be
as
far
as
noise.
You
know
we
have
designed
that
call
box
to
be
as
close
to
flush
to
that
corner.
H
Oh
sorry,
commissioner,
lansin
pardon
me
sorry,
we
can
bring
the
volume
of
output
down
at
certain
hours.
So
you
know
there
is
a
great
mitigation
element
in
play
there
too,
and
as
far
as
just
the
traffic
in
general
and
thousand
notes
around
starbucks,
I
know
starbucks
actually
initially
had
to
be
convinced
of
the
site,
because
there
actually
wasn't
as
much
traffic
at
this
corner
as
the
one
at
duesenberg
and
at
thousand
oaks
boulevard
in
rancho.
But
the
idea
was,
if
you
can
build
out
the
grid
of
starbucks
at
optimal
points
within.
B
H
If
you
can
build
out
the
network-
and
you
can
have
you
know
more
start,
you
know
drive-throughs,
you
take
and
alleviate
the
stress
on
other
locations.
So
I
know
there's
a
couple
comments.
You
know
by
the
folks
by
our
neighbors
and
community
members
that
there's
too
many
starbucks,
which
I
get
I
mean
I
live
in
los
angeles
and
there's
a
lot
of
them
around
and.
H
You
know
okay
last
sentence,
but
but
this
could
also,
commissioner,
be
you
know,
thought
of,
as
you
know,
optimizing
their
grid,
which
would
actually
you
know,
balance
the
customers
at
all
the
different
locations
right,
so
starbucks
does
perceive
this
as
alleviating
other
concerns
at
other
drives.
So
that's
I
guess
my
last
word.
I
apologies
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me.
G
G
That
was
a
major
concern,
it's
condition
number
34
and
it's
that
particular
condition
that
basically
it
directs
the
starbucks
or
the
or
any
potential
future
operator
they
have
to
minimize
the
sounds
currently
and
then
it
also
sets
out
basically
code
compliance
issues
for
the
project
and
then
also
it
sets
out
it's
like
here's
these.
If
noises
exceed
during
these
particular
time
frames,
then
additional
steps
are
necessary
to
be
taken,
but
if
you
want,
if
you
would
like
to
read
over,
it
is
condition
number
34..
B
One
thing
I
would
add
before
we
say
that
really
quickly,
mr
mcdonald
and
or
whoever
the
gate
is
broken,
that's
a
property
and
anybody
can
go
on.
So
I
would
highly
suggest
somebody
fix
that
gate
to
make
sure
it
limits
access.
So
there's
no
other
issues
that
go
on.
So
with
that
again,
commissioner
comments
or
a
motion,
commissioner
mcmahon.
E
Just
a
quick
comment,
looking
at
that
last
condition
that
we
were
talking
about
it
says
if
they
can't
keep
the
noise
down,
then
they're
gonna
insist
that
starbucks
have
a
person
out
there
taking
an
order,
so
that's
pretty
drastic
and
pretty
controlling
for
the
benefit
of
the
neighbors.
I
I
hadn't
I
had
missed
that
before
this
discussion,
so
that
was
interesting.
F
F
I
am
still
concerned
about
the
southern
neighbor
and
the
fact
that
they're,
not
in
agreement
as
to
how
this
is
going
to
be
built
and
whether
we're
approving
a
project
that
may
not
be
able
to
exist,
as
is,
and
what
that
means.
If
they
don't
come
to
an
agreement
or
you
know
if,
if
we're
inviting
them
to
argue
with
each
other
for
forever,
and
now
we
will
have
to
come
back
to
us.
F
D
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
bus
I'm
supportive
of
the
project.
I
think
the
project
does
have
merit.
They've
come
a
long
way
from
what
we've
seen
with
the
initial
7-eleven,
this
condition
number
113.
The
drive-through
really
sets
a
precedent
in
the
city.
I
think
and
really
holds
the
hand
to
the
fire
for
the
applicant.
D
D
D
I
think
this
will
provide
some
additional
screening
to
the
residences.
I
do
also
recommend
mature
landscaping
along
the
wall
instead
of
instead
of
new
landscaping,
to
really
provide
that
buffer
between
the
uses.
As
far
as
hours
of
operation,
I'm
okay
with
hours
operation,
I
think
it's
consistent
with
what
is
proposed
in
the
surrounding
areas.
I
understand
noise
is
of
issue
but
again
there's
conditions
in
place.
I
hold
hold
applicant
in
place
in
regards
to
trash.
D
I
would
like
to
see
the
the
public
bus
stop
improved.
I
think
that's
something
that
is
a
a
nice
amenity
to
the
community
when
I,
when
I
do
pass
by
it,
is
in
dire
condition,
kind
of
run
down.
I
do
see
prior
to
covet
a
lot
of
kids
hanging
out
there
by
the
bus,
stop
taking
public
transit
to
go
home,
but
to
have
public
shelter
there,
a
trash
can
and
a
nice
thousand
oaks
sense
of
community
there.
I
think
that's
helpful.
D
D
To
really
encourage
that
pedestrian
feel
for
encourage
pedestrians
to
walk
to
this
site,
so
I
think
that's
something
the
commission
should
look
at
and
the
city
should
look
at
as
a
whole.
So
those
are
a
few
comments
that
I
brought
up,
but
I'm
I'm
open
to
hear
other
comments
from
the
commission's
commissioners.
B
I'll
add
a
few
comments
as
to
the
easement.
I
was
originally
very
concerned
as
well,
especially
the
tone
of
the
letter
from
the
neighbor,
but
looking
at
the
diagrams
and
realizing
that
the
the
solution
is
two
separate
driveways
they're
not
going
to
be
connected,
there's
actually
going
to
be
sidewalk
between
them.
That
made
it
a
little
bit
easier,
realizing
that
the
south
neighbor
is
a
separate
industry.
B
I
am
concerned,
though,
that
obviously
that
means
this
has
to
be
a
self-contained
driveway
for
this
project,
which
then
is
the
same
area
that
bikes
and
cars
and
and
pedestrians
are
all
coming
in,
especially
if
there's
no
place
to
sit.
So
it's
always
going
to
be
a
a
walkable
area,
which
is
why
I
thought
of
a
a
different
way
of
walking
across
the
street.
You
know.
B
I
think
they
did
a
good
job
in
mitigating
a
lot
of
the
traffic
issues
as
much
as
possible,
knowing
that
that
no
building
could
be
built
on
this
without
it
being
more
than
five
feet.
I
mean
it
pretty
much
says
that
we
have
to
look
at
these
setback
variances,
whatever
the
project's
going
to
be,
because
there's
really
no
way
to
build
without
that,
and
the
other
question
is:
is
that
that
you
know-
and
I
always
say
this-
we
can't
pick
and
choose
winners
and
losers.
B
Yeah,
there's
lots
of
different
things
that
I
would
like
it
to
be,
but
that's
not
really
our
job.
We
can't
tell
them
kind
of
like
I
was
asking,
mr
neils.
We
can't
tell
them
hey,
there's
a
code
section
that
says
we
can
stop
you
from
opening
this
kind
of
business
or
whatever
mr
heeger
pointed
out
that
there
are
certain
limitations
again
based
on
the
type
of
business.
That's
not
involved
here,
so
we
really
can't
say
no
just
because
it's
something
we
don't
like
whether
it
is
something
we
like
or
not.
B
That's,
that's
kind
of
a
problem.
I
do
like
the
fact
that
there
was
a
lot
less
complaints.
I
think
this
time
from
the
community.
Obviously
the
people
close
by
are
most
concerned
about
traffic
and
noise
and
stuff,
like
that.
That's
clearly
going
to
be
an
issue,
that's
obviously
a
part
of
our
concern,
but
I
was,
I
was
happy
to
see
it
wasn't
more
broad
in
terms
of
its
objection.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
as
much
as
they
have
concerns
look
at
this
as
the
best
it
can
possibly
be
for
this.
B
This
location,
which
I
think
is
ultimately
one
of
the
things
that
really
motivated
me
to
say
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
that
I
wish
they'd
done
differently
or
could
do
differently,
but
this
is
the
best
possible
use
of
this
property,
except
especially
considering
it
had
been
used
before
it
was
a
gas
station.
It
was
lots
of
things
that
mr
bus
remembers
from
his
past.
It
was
a
business
at
some
point,
so
it's
not
like
this
is
a
brand
new
thing
that
nobody's
ever
realized.
There
was
a
business
here.
B
It
just
hasn't
been
one
for
a
long
time,
so
I
have
no
problem
ultimately,
with
the
you
know,
the
other
their
overriding
concepts.
I
think
it's
the
best
use
that
we
can
have
we
can
get.
I
do
like,
mr
commissioner
cohan's
ideas
with
regard
to
adult
landscaping.
If
we
can
get
some
and
that
way,
it
kind
of
creates
more
of
that
park
fella
than
I
think
everybody
at
least
was
looking
for.
E
I
agree
with
everything
that
has
been
said
by
my
fellow
commissioners.
I
still
have
an
issue
with
the
stacking.
It
just
seems.
I
don't
know
clumsy.
However,
if
the
mitigation
for
the
excess
noise
from
the
speaker
means
that
they
will
have
to
go
out
and
take
the
orders
by
hand.
Perhaps
if
the
stacking
becomes
an
issue,
they
would
have
to
go
out
and
have
orders
taken
by
hand
for
for
both
lanes,
and
I
I
guess
it's
not
it's
not
going
to
kill
it
this
project.
E
B
G
Thank
you,
chair
lansing.
I
just
want
to
let
the
commission
know.
I
have
been
modifying
its
condition
number
with
some
of
the
the
ideas
that
were
being
thrown
out
there,
so
in
order
to
include
it's
increasing
the
wall
height
from
six
feet,
to
eight
feet
and
to
mature
landscaping,
so
I
can
include
that
into
a
condition,
but
as
just
as
you're
continuing
to
deliberate.
So
once
you
kind
of
before
you
get
to
emotion,
I
am
able
to
bring
that
up
onto
the
screen.
B
J
Yes,
chair
lansing,
so
I
was
waiting
to
see
where
you
were
going
with
this
first
before
I
jumped
in
to
interrupt
you
guys.
Two
things
one
is,
I
believe
the
eight
foot
height
wall
was
actually
mentioned
during
the
discussion,
and
I
believe
I
heard
the
applicant
indicate
that
that
wouldn't
be
a
problem.
They
would
be
one
to
accept
that
eight
foot
wall,
the
mature
landscape,
is
a
different
issue.
If
you
look
at
the
conditions
48
through
51,
which
talks
about
landscaping
it.
This
is
a
conceptual
landscape
plan.
J
B
F
Speak
one
more
time
I,
like
mr
cohen's
idea
of
raising
the
wall
height
eight
feet.
I
suspect
that
also
may
dampen
the
amount
of
sound
coming
from
the
speaker,
which
is
an
issue
for
for
a
number
of
the
people
that
spoke,
and
I
think
you
guys
have
pretty
much
sold
me
on
the
idea
that
this
may
be
the
best
project
we
can
get
into
this
space
and
so
so
yeah.
F
B
B
B
D
D
B
People
that
live
nearby
realize
you
still
have
an
opportunity.
If
there
are
issues
that
are
a
problem
in
terms
of
traffic
and
noise
and
stuff,
like
that,
the
commissioner
van
even
pointed
out,
we
can
have
somebody
stand
out
there
and
take
an
order,
so
there's
lots
of
ways
to
make
sure
that
you're
still
involved
in
this
process.
B
F
That
also
for
anybody
out
there
that's
frustrated
with
this
one
and
and
concerned
about
the
traffic.
Much
as
I
am
on
moore
park,
I
believe
that
it
was
stated
by.
I
can't
remember
who
said,
but
one
of
one
of
the
city
employees
and
I
apologize
for
not
remembering
who
you
were
said,
that
that
issue
can
be
addressed
and
will
will
be
required
to
be
addressed
by
starbucks
if
it
becomes
a
becomes
a
concern.
B
E
Commissioner,
in
talking
to
staff
recently,
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
the
city
parking
studies
parking
ordinances,
parking
requirements.
I
know
the
right
term
hasn't
been
updated
for
a
very
long
time
and
things
have
changed
in
this
world
with
uber
and
lyft
and
more
people
bicycling.
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
something
we
will
look
at
or
the
traffic
commission
will
look
at
at
some
point
is
updating
the
the
parking
requirements.
B
J
I
was
going
to
say
that,
obviously,
with
assisted
living
we've
had
that
discussion
a
while
back
with
about
how
much
parking
is
required
for
an
assisted
living
facility.
Also
with
the
new
housing
laws.
There's
been
some,
especially
with
affordable
housing.
There's
going
to
be
some
changes
where
they're
limiting
the
amount
of
parking
required
or
it
could
be,
certainly
could
be
a
density
bonus
that
a
developer
can
receive
if
you
do
affordable.
C
We
had
an
item
I
identified
a
the
ejective
standards
item
was
going
to
come
forward
on
the
25th
of
this
month.
That
has
been
pushed
out
to
a
date
uncertain,
so
it
requires
a
little
bit
further
vetting
and
refinement.
So
it
looks
like
the
25th
meeting
will
be
cancelled
and
the
next
meeting
would
be
february
8th
and
we're
looking
to
have
an
item
on
that
date.