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A
A
Thank
you
and
moving
on
to
item
four
written
comments:
announcements,
supplemental
packets,
continuances,
mr
parker,
any
anything
to
add.
A
A
Any
of
my
fellow
commissioners
have
any
comments.
Or
can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
Thank
you
and
moving
on
to
item
seven
commendation
for
our
previous
chair,
mr
doug
nichols
mr
nichols.
Will
you
join
me
at
the
podium.
A
I
believe
so,
yes,
perfect
cheer
nichols.
A
Mr
nichols
served
on
the
commission
until
december
5th
2018,
during
which
time
he
served
as
chair
twice
from
april
13,
2015
to
april
25th,
2016
and
then
again
from
february
5th,
2018
to
december
5th
2018
and
during
his
term
with
the
commission.
Mr
nichols
attended.
A
A
Then
in
in
addition,
as
we
typically
do
with
outgoing
chairs
an
honorary
gavel,
thank
you
for
you
and
there.
A
And
I
just
want
to
say
once
again:
for
me:
it's
been
a
great
honor
serving
with
you
between
you
know.
Your
work
is
certainly
when
I
first
got
on
you
know
you
came
over
to
me.
Mentored
me
taught
me
in
the
ways
of
the
planning
commission,
which
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
new
planning
commissioners
here,
and
I
hope
that
those
remaining
will
do
the
same
and
really
allowed.
I
think,
between
the
two
of
us.
A
We
found
great
consensus
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
our
work
and
we
really
pushed
hard
to,
I
think,
get
the
5-0
votes,
and
I
think
you
know,
I
think,
both
of
the
times
you
were
chair.
I
believe
I
was
on
the
planning
commission.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
behalf
of
myself
and
all
of
the
remaining
commissioners.
A
Just
maybe
wait
until
I'm
sure
my
fellow
commissioners
have
a
few
words
to
say
and
I'll
start
with.
Commissioner
newman.
E
H
I
want
to
echo
everything
that
commissioner
newman
said,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
your
insightful
and
questions.
You
asked
the
best
questions
you.
You
came
from
a
background
where
you
knew
as
much
as
anyone
could
about
the
subject
it
seemed
like,
and-
and
I
learned
a
lot
from
you
from
the
questions
you
asked
a
lot
of
things
that
did
not
occur
to
me.
I
think
I'm
learning
a
little
bit
more
as
we
go
along,
but
you
got
me
started
and
I
I
really
appreciate
that
and
everything
you
did
with
us.
I
Lansin,
you
know
when
you
had
to
uncertain
honestly,
not
show
up
for
a
meeting,
because
you
happen
to
get
elected
to
something
we
again,
I
said
before,
went
on
for
an
hour.
How
awesome
you
were.
Unfortunately,
you
didn't
hear
that
apparently,
so
I
will
summarize
briefly
what
I
said
at
that
time
is:
I
can't
think
of
a
better
role
model
for
what
a
planning
commission
is
supposed
to
be
than
you
from
mentoring,
all
of
us
to
getting
involved
in
the
issues
and
going
deep
into
the
documentation.
I
I
think
one
of
the
best
things
about
this
planning
commission
is
that
each
one
of
us
comes
from
a
totally
different
point
of
view,
sometimes
in
looking
at
things
and
again,
it's
not
because
we
necessarily
all
agree
it's
actually
when
we
have
people
that
bring
up
things
that
we
may
not
see,
and
you
were
always
really
good
at
that.
I
appreciate
your
insight
and
your
involvement
and
ultimately,
your
commitment.
Thank
you.
A
A
Because
of
your
experience
and
and
all
joking
aside,
though
again
I
I
your
questions
as
commissioner
mcmahon
noted
were
certainly
welcome
and,
and
they
not
only
brought
more
to
each
application
that
we
heard
but
taught,
I
think,
each
one
of
the
commissioners
a
little
bit
more
about
your
experience,
your
expertise
and
your
background,
which
I
think
was
a
valued
addition
to
the
planning
commission.
So
with
that,
I
turn
it
over
to
you,
sir.
If
you
have
any
final
comments.
F
Thank
you
drew
thank
you
all
for
the
very
kind
comments
appreciate
that,
but
you
know
it's.
I
just
look
at
the
the
group
that
we
have
here
and
and
some
of
those
who
have
gone
on
before
us
that
really
set
the
standard
for
what
the
planning
commission
is
and
it's
a
not
really
a
high
profile
group,
except
when
we
have
a
high
profile
project.
F
We
get
through
the
projects
you
know
month
by
month.
Just
trying
to
you
know,
keep
the
city
business
moving
forward
and
putting,
in
your
time
reviewing
the
plans
reviewing
the
documents
and
and
the
lengthy
eirs
which
takes
lots
of
reading,
and
I
appreciate
all
your
efforts
to
do
that
and
I'm
glad
I
could
contribute.
F
As
I
was
hearing
drew
read
this
list.
I
thought
man,
if
only
the
projects
took
that
much
time.
You
know
where
we
could
just
rattle
them
off
and
and
be
done
with
it,
but
we
did
spend
a
lot
of
good
time
to
go
through
those
to
make
sure
we
were
making
the
right
decision,
and
you
know
I
think
we
did
achieve
a
lot
of
5-0
votes.
F
F
Andy
fox
is
no
longer
on
the
council.
We
have
a
very
new
council.
We've
got
some
new
council
members,
two
more
that
are
going
to
be
joining
us
tonight
and
how
much
the
city
has
changed.
John
prescott
used
to
be
the
community
development
director
now
marcus
mark
used
to
be
sitting
where
kelvin
is,
and
I
just
see
the
changes
that
have
happened
in
just
a
very
short
period
of
time
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us.
F
I
now
I'm
a
grandparent,
and
I
wasn't
six
years
ago
and
I
have
an
additional
son-in-law
which
I
didn't
have
before,
but
I
do
want
to
thank
them
for
support.
I've
got
my
my
wife
here
who,
even
with
all
the
support
and
tolerance
that
she
demands,
she
still
is
only
in
her
20s.
It
just
amazes
me
how
that
happens.
F
I
have
my
oldest
daughter,
rebecca
and
son-in-law
keith
and
the
two
grandchildren
with
us,
lincoln
and
lydia,
and
then
my
youngest
daughter,
emily
joined
us.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
them.
They've
been
a
real
asset
to
me
on
the
planet.
Commission,
especially
when
it
comes
time
to
campaigning.
I
always
support
every.
If
you've
got
a
nice
big
family
I'll
recruit
them
for
campaigning.
F
That's
not
quite
what
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be,
or
man
that
was
spot
on
exactly
what
it
was,
but
just
to
realize
that
you
had
a
part
in
that
process
and
how
appreciative
I
am
just
to
have
that
opportunity,
and
now
you
are
exercising
that
opportunity
as
far
as
mentoring.
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
I
too
was
mentored
and
I
think
that's
just
an
incumbent
and
what
know
what
we
do
as
what
we
take
on
and
move
forward
that
you
know
what
we
were
shared
was
shared
with
us.
F
We
in
turn
share
with
others
and-
and
I
think,
probably
more
than
anything
else.
I
want
to
thank
the
public
for
coming
down
and
sharing
their
comments.
F
It's
it's
nice
to
rely
on
professionals
coming
from
various
walks
of
life
to
share
their
thoughts
here
at
the
diocese.
But
it's
really
the
comments
that
come
from
the
public
and
the
well
thought
out
presentations
by
the
applicants
that
give
us
information.
We
need
to
make
quality
informed
decisions,
so
I
want
to
thank
them
as
well,
but
thank
you
again
and
andrew
know
you're
going
to
be
stepping
off
the
dice
and
thank
you
for
your
service
and
continued.
F
I'm
sure
we're
not
going
to
see
the
end
of
you
yet
and
I
got
to
mr
cohan
and
mr
bus
are
going
to
be
joining
the
dice
here.
I
want
to
welcome
you
and
look
forward
to
your
contributions
as
well,
and
I'm
just
a
phone
call
away
if
I
can
offer
any
help.
It'll
be
unbiased,
honest
but
again.
Thank
you
all
very
much
appreciate
it.
D
D
With
that
I'll
take
a
moment
to
read
accommodation
for
commissioner
fletcher,
he
was
appointed
to
the
thousands
of
planning
commission
in
august
of
2016
by
council
member
joel
price.
He
served
on
the
commission
up
until
tonight
and
he
served
as
acting
chair
from
february
18th
of
this
year
of
last
year
until
march
of
this
year.
D
Seven
municipal
code
amendments,
an
update
to
the
forestry
element
of
the
general
plan,
as
well
as
the
circulation
and
land
use
elements
of
the
general
plan,
and
with
that
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
for
staff
and
your
fellow
commissioners
to
thank
you
for
your
time
here.
We
really
do
appreciate
what
you
brought
to
the
commission,
your
keen
legal
mind
in
terms
of
asking
questions
in
your
analysis
of
projects.
D
D
E
E
E
H
Drew
thank
you
so
much
for
everything
you've
done
and
you
you
usurped.
What
I
was
going
to
say
drew
has
a
side
project
that
he's
working
on
that
will
benefit
the
city
and
it's
going
to
also
benefit
all
the
bicyclists,
and
maybe
this
will
give
you
a
little
more
time
to
get
that
done.
It's
it's
really
wonderful.
The
way
he
is
so
proactive
in
what
he
does
for
the
city,
and
he
was
a
tremendous
help
on
the
planning
commission
and
I
really
appreciate
everything
you've
done.
It
was
a
pleasure
to
work
with
you.
I
Commissioner
lancey
so
about
two
years
ago,
when
I
was
lucky
enough
to
be
appointed
this
position,
I
got
a
chance
to
meet
mr
fletcher,
and
the
first
thing
that
struck
me
is
that
he
is
not
only
involved
and
engaged
and
obviously
reads
everything
and
is
very
involved
in
the
process.
I
But
you
will
not
find
a
more
committed
person
to
this
city
if
you
try
and
not
only
that
he
demands
anybody
that
he
associates
with
to
be
just
as
committed
as
he
is,
and
I
took
that
as
a
very
high
honor
to
actually
be
involved
and
engage
with
him.
With
regard
to
understanding
issues,
we
went
to
a
planning
symposium
last
year
and
I
learned
a
lot
more
in
terms
of
what
his
thought
process
is
very
smart.
Various
student
reads:
everything
understands
everything
honestly.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
my
fellow
commissioners
and
the
city
staff.
I'll
start
there
for
indulging
me,
especially
assistant
city
attorney,
mr
heeher.
I
I
look
over
this
list
and-
and
you
know
I
too
am
reminded
about
the
changes
that
have
come
over
the
city
in
the
last
few
years.
A
When
I
started
it
was
the
our
chair
was
daryl
reynolds
who
had
a
fiery
personality
but
a
commitment
to
the
city,
and
she
taught
me
very
very
early
on
to
just
how
to
focus
in
and
look
at
these
applications-
and
you
know
I
know
she's
not
listening
she's
enjoying
her
large
house
in
texas,
but
you
know
I
certainly
I
I
start
with
thanking
her
and,
as
I
mentioned
to
you
know,
former
commissioner
nichols
and,
and
mr
newman,
commissioner,
newman
you
two
very
very
early
on
were
great
mentors
to
me
and
I
I
I
enjoyed
each,
although
you
know
very
much
on
occasional
votes,
we
voted
the
opposite
way.
A
I
I
appreciated
all
your
comments
because
I
knew
they
came
from
that
same
committed
place
in
the
city.
I
think
every
one
of
us,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
question
that
we
love
the
city
and
you
know
we
want
to
see
the
best
for
it
and
we
want
to
see
the
best
in
you
know,
carrying
out
what
the
council
has
put
in
front
of
us
and
just
very
quickly.
A
You
know,
unfortunately,
we
most
likely
won't
be
hearing
too
many
more
wireless
applications,
but
I
want
to
talk
to
the
new
commissioners
just
for
a
moment
and
certainly
offer
my
congratulations
to
both
of
you.
I
certainly
hope
that
your
new
positions,
you
will
you
know
I
too,
I'm
just
a
short
phone
call
away.
Should
you
need
anything.
A
I
really
hope
that
you
guys
are
you
guys,
are
coming
in
on
a
very
great
opportunity,
because
so
many
other
changes
are
coming
down
the
pipeline
amendments
and
carrying
out
the
boulevard
specific
plan,
there's
so
many
great
projects
that
we
have
coming
up.
I
look
forward
to
paying
attention
from
home
and
enjoying
my
monday
nights.
No
there's
actually
nowhere
place
I'd
rather
be
than
here
on
mondays,
but
I
look
forward
to
following
along
your
your
commitment
and
both
of
your
perspectives.
A
I
think,
coming
from
your
background,
you,
you
will
have
unique
and
great
things
to
add
to
the
conversation
here
at
the
dyess
and
finally
to
all
the
city
staff.
A
Like
commissioner
nichols
said,
there's
so
many
changes
and
we
had
a
lot
of
retirements
over
the
last
few
years
and
a
lot
of
new
changes,
but
I've
I've
thoroughly
enjoyed
working
with
each
and
every
one
of
you.
It's
been
a
really
my
pleasure
and
thank
you
for
indulging
me
on
my
questions
and
having
me
push
you
just
a
little
bit
because
I
think
it
kind
of
it
comes
from
a
good
place
and
and
just
for
the
betterment
of
the
city
and
as
commissioner
mcmahon
said.
A
Yes,
I
have
that
side
project
and
hopefully
bringing
a
bike
share
program,
two
thousand
oaks,
because
I
think
it'd
be
just
a
perfect
addition
to
ever
all
the
great
biking
and
cycling
we
have
in
this
community.
A
And
item
7c
oath
of
office
by
our
city,
clerk
for
new
commissioners,
mr
nelson
bus
and
mr
kevin
cohen,
and
the
reappointed
commissioner,
miss
sharon,
mcmahon
and
mr
david
newman.
A
And
with
miss
mcguire,
I
invite
the
new
and
reappointed
commissioners
to
stand
in
front
of
the
podium,
and
so
we
can
administer
the
oath
of
office.
E
C
I
swear
or
affirm
that
you
will
support
and
defend
the
constitution
of
the
united
states
and
the
constitution
of
the
state
of
california
against
all
enemies,
foreign
and
domestic,
that
you
will
bear
true
faith
and
allegiance
to
the
constitution
of
the
united
states
and
the
constitution
of
the
state
of
california
that
you
take
this
obligation
freely
without
any
mental
reservation
or
purpose
of
evasion,
and
that
you
will
well
and
faithfully
discharge
the
duties
upon
upon
which
you
are
about
to
enter.
I
do.
A
A
I
didn't
know
I
got
I
got
first
crack
at
it.
Welcome
view
is
different
up
there.
No,
as
I
mentioned
before,
certainly
before
I
leave,
I
want
to
welcome
you
and
say
it.
It
is
a
great
honor.
You
truly
sit
as
administrative
law
judges
really
under
the
law.
Looking
at
each
application
that
comes
before
you
objectively
and
and
fairly
and
considering
all
all
sides.
A
I
know
you
both
of
you
will
do
great.
Both
of
you
will
bring
your
own
perspective
and
your
own
knowledge
and
your
own
input
and
comments
and
make
this
commission
all
that
much
better.
So
welcome!
Congratulations
and,
like
I
said,
if
you
need
anything
at
all,
commissioner
lansin
knows
where
to
find
me,
so
don't
be
afraid.
F
Thank
you,
mr
parker,
mr
cohen,
mr
butts
welcome
aboard
and
welcome
back
mr
newman
and
ms
mcmahon,
as
I
mentioned,
you'll
you'll
do
the
city.
Well,
by
being
here
you
you
both
bring
different
backgrounds.
That's
one
thing
that
I
really
appreciate
about
this
group.
Is:
it
doesn't
take
a
professional
planner
because
we
have
professional
planners
on
staff.
What
it
takes
is
people
are
willing
to
dedicate
some
time
to
study
the
issues
to
make
a
wise
and
well-informed
decision
from
the
perspective
from
which
they
come,
and
I
know
you
both
will
do
that.
F
I
want
to
thank
you
for
committing
your
time
to
this.
Obviously,
you
have
to
go
through
the
process.
Put
your
name
in
the
hat.
Go
through
an
interview
or
more
to
be
selected,
and
you
know
you
know,
there's
probably
some
expectations
as
to
gas.
How
do
I
vote
because
of
who
appointed
me
or
whatever
that
might
be,
but
I
would
just
say:
hey
you
know
you're
here
for
a
reason
you
bring
something
to
the
diocese
and
just
be
who
you
are
if
you're
the
lone?
F
Yes,
vote
or
the
lone
no
vote
so
be
it
because
you
want
to
speak
from
your
heart
and
make
sure
that
you
have
your
the
commitment
behind
you
and
you'll
once
you
do
that
assessment.
But
what
I
also
found
is
that
you
know
you
get
the
materials
you
read
through
them.
You
kind
of
kind
of
sort
out
the
issues
you
hear
from
staff
you
hear
from
the
public.
F
I
Lansin,
thank
you,
mr
parker.
As
the
longest
serving
commissioner
that
hasn't
been
a
chair,
I'd
like
to
actually
nominate
sharon
mcmahon
to
be
chair.
D
D
C
K
H
H
H
Okay,
if
none
there
are,
the
nominations
are
closed.
Will
the
secretary
please
prepare
us
for
a
vote?
H
B
B
B
B
B
B
H
Okay,
thank
you
for
coming
back.
Everybody
will
the
clerk
please
open
the
public
hearing.
C
The
request
is
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
public
storage
building
with
parking
reduction,
removal
of
one
oak
tree
and
one
toy
on
tree
and
encroachment
into
the
25
or
greater
natural
slope.
The
project
is
located
at
2650
with
a
lane
and
22.
224
south
skyline
drive.
The
applicant
is
james
sandofer.
H
Me
one
moment
please.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
mcmahon,
I'd
like
to
address
the
public
as
to
matter
of
gen,
adam
a8,
I'm
going
to
have
to
recuse
myself
from
this
hearing.
My
employer
stantec
was
hired
by
the
project
manager
to
prepare
an
environmental
checklist.
C
L
Good
evening,
chair,
mcmahon
members
of
the
commission
for
your
consideration
tonight
is
an
application
requesting
to
allow
encroachment
within
25
or
greater
slope
for
the
construction
of
a
self
storage
facility
with
reduced
parking.
L
L
L
This
aerial
photo
shows
the
freeway
on
the
north
side
of
the
property,
where
my
mouse
is
right
now,
there's
a
children's
facility
to
this
to
the
east
side,
which
is
a
school
on
the
south
side,
is
a
vacant
residential
property
and
to
the
west
is
a
another
self-storage
facility.
That's
on
a
3.52
acre
lot.
The
storage
building
is
a
is:
has
a
total
square
footage
of
69
452
square
feet?
L
This
was
approved
in
1985,
with
no
waiver
of
municipal
code
or
other
applicable
guidelines
that
were
granted.
There
are
three
utility
poles
on
the
property.
It's
one
two
and
three.
There
are
four
oak
trees.
This
is
the
oak
tree,
that's
being
requested
for
removal.
There
are
two
oak
trees
in
this
area
right
here.
L
L
Pardon
the
glare
on
this
picture,
but
this
is
a
southbound
picture,
a
view
of
the
property
on
the
southbound
picture.
The
property
is
identified
by
the
power
pole
where
the
mouse
is
the
mouse
pointer.
L
This
is
the
proposed
site
plan.
The
building
will
be
situated
towards
the
back
of
the
building,
there's
a
20-foot
setback
between
the
building
and
the
rear
property
line,
and
there's
an
easement
at
the
back,
which
is
a
privately
owned
parcel
the
proj.
The
building
itself
is
about
a
hundred
feet.
It's
a
hundred
feet
from
the
center
line
of
willow
lane.
L
As
you
can
see,
there
are
the
the
three
oak
trees
that
we
that's
being
saved
on
site
will
not
be
impacted
by
this
development.
The
ultra
that's
been
removed
is
around
this
area
and
not
to
mention.
There
are
parking
spaces
towards
the
front
sides,
I'm
in
front
of
the
building
and
to
the
east
side,
and
there
are
five
parking
spaces
within
the
footprint
of
the
building
and
this
area
right
here.
L
L
This
shows
the
grading
plan
for
the
project.
There
are
step
retaining
walls
on
the
driveway
this.
These
are
this
step.
Retaining
walls
are
required
because
a
single
wall,
the
the
required
retaining
wall
here,
would
be
about
14
to
14
feet
high,
so
the
walls
were
broken
up
into
not
less
internet.
More
than
six
foot
in
height
with
a
with
a
planter
in
between.
L
This
slide,
along
with
the
next
two
slides,
will
show
a
photo
simulation
submitted
by
the
applicant.
This
one
depicts
the
one
on
the
a
view
from
the
northbound
side
of
the
101
freeway.
This
is
pretty
much
almost
across
the
subject
side:
the
project
side.
L
L
This
is
another
depiction
of
the
of
the
proposed
storage
building.
Is
it
it's
important
to
note
that
staff
has
not
determined
the
accuracy
of
this
photo
simulation,
and
this
is
all
prepared
by
the
applicant.
L
As
a
background,
this
proj,
this
the
project
site,
is
zoned
m1
and
it's
1.63
acre
in
size
with
three
single
family
dwellings.
L
There
are
three
power
poles,
as
we
mentioned
earlier
in
2009,
the
city
council
initiated
the
general
plan,
amendment
2009-7047
at
the
applicant's
request
and
authorized
concurrent
processing
to
allow
the
applicant
to
proceed
with
the
general
plan
and
land
use
amendment
accord
in
in
concurrent
with
a
medical
office
building
application
2014
the
applicant
requested
to
proceed
with
the
general
plan
amendment
and
the
zone
change,
so
the
zone
change
on
this
property
was
changed
from
re
to
m1.
L
In
in
early
part
of
2018,
the
property
has
changed
hands
where
the
owner,
the
current
applicant,
is
now
the
new
owner.
L
The
proposed
building
will
have
100
100
138
square
feet
of
building
with
23
proposed
parking
spaces.
By
the
way
the
facility
will
have
between
700
to
800
rental
units.
L
Surrounding
land
uses,
as
we
mentioned
earlier
on
the
north
side
of
the
prop
or
the
property,
is
the
101
freeway
and
willow
lane
to
the
east
is
a
nursery
or
their
daycare
school.
The
south
side
is
a
vacant.
Residential
lot
on
the
west
side
is
the
self
storage
facility
which
sits
on
a
3.52
acre
lot
and
69
500
square
feet
of
building
area,
and,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
no
waivers
were
granted
for
this
project
that,
when
it
was
approved
in
1985.
L
L
L
L
These
subsections
pertain
to
silhouetting,
extensive
grading,
visual
interest,
visual
impact,
facade
exposure
building
scale
and
massive.
Each
of
these
subsections
have
been
quoted
in
your
staff
report.
The
preceding
slides
will
provide
provide
an
analysis
of
the
project
for
each
aforementioned
subsections
for
silhouetting.
This
is
a
picture
that
you've
seen
before.
L
L
L
This
grading
activity
is
too
excessive
because
it
requires
cutting
into
the
hill
with
changes
which
changes
the
topography
and
will
significantly
lower
the
site.
The
building
architectures
proposed,
as
proposed,
does
not
conform
with
to
the
sides
are
terrain
section.
A
two
of
the
guidelines
of
the
mentioned
guidelines
earlier
requires
that
the
building
footprint
reflects
an
integration
of
design
that
joins
the
building
with
the
natural
terrain
and
extensive
grading
avoided.
L
The
first
and
second
floors
of
this
building
are
not
stepped
back.
As
far
as
section
a4
is
concerned
for
visual
impact,
this
section
requires
increased
space
between
the
building
and
adjacent
freeways
to
allow
for
landscaping.
The
building's
massive
look
will
disrupt
the
natural
scenic
view
from
the
one
one
freeway.
L
This
is
the
landscape
plan
submitted
by
the
applicant
prepared
for
them
by
their
landscape
architect,
on
the
top
of
your
screen
will
be
willow
lane
and
then
freeway
would
be.
Next
to
that.
This
is
east
side.
We
have
a
small
landscape
area,
not
even
a
landscape
area,
but
a
small
slope
area
here,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
trees
on
these
sides
with
small
planter
areas.
L
On
the
west
side,
we
also
have
a
slope
to
the
adjacent
property,
which
is
the
the
storage
facility,
and
there
are
a
few
24
bucks
entries
proposed.
L
This
small
area
will
not
provide
ample
space
for
the
tree
to
for
the
tree
to
to
prosper
or
to
have
a
healthy
growth,
facade
exposure.
L
Building
must
be
designed
at
a
scale
and
manner
that
is
sensitive
to
the
terrain,
reflecting
an
integration
of
the
architecture
and
topography.
The
proposed
building
has
height
that
is
massive
and
imposing
over
the
existing
landscape.
The
building
design
is
not
sensitive
to
the
site
terrain
and
is
not
adequately
integrated
into
the
topography.
L
The
first
and
the
second
floor
should
be
stepped
back
to
reduce
a
visual
messing
as
far
as
section
b2.
The
building
messing
that
section
requires
the
use
of
design
articulation
to
break
up
building
mass
into
smaller
components,
the
use
of
angled
building
corners,
sloping
facades,
projecting
and
recessing
the
poles
opening
sections
of
the
building
and
the
integration
of
landscape
elements
will
help
reduce
a
bulky
appearance.
L
The
building
architecture
provides
massive
walls
with
fall
windows.
It
does
not
provide
enough
articulation
to
break
up
the
building
mass
into
smaller
components.
The
building
has
sharp
corners
instead
of
angled
corners.
It
has
no
sloping
facade
and
not,
and
not
enough
landscape
element
to
help
reduce
the
bulk
appearance.
L
L
The
proposed
building,
as
you
saw
earlier
in
the
in
the
elevation
plans,
the
building
is
pretty
square.
It's
got
a
lot
of
sharp
corners
and
it
lacks
architectural
character.
The
four
windows
look
flat
against
the
building
facade
and
the
building
lacks
interesting
features
such
as
roof
or
any
other
articulation.
L
For
the
municipal
code
standards
the
parking
requirements
for
I'm
sorry,
let
me
back
that
up
back
off
a
little
bit
for
parking
standards
for
commercial
buildings
that
exceeds
fifty
thousand
square
feet.
Two
loading
and
operating
spaces
were
required
are
required
by
the
code.
The
project
requires
24
parking
spaces.
L
The
way
we
calculated
these
parking
spaces
is
that,
like
in
the
past,
we
use
the
warehouse
use
as
a
parking
for
parking
demand
for
this
type,
which
is
one
four
thousand
per
thousand
for
the
first
five
thousand
square
feet,
so
that
would
be
five
and
then
one
per
five
thousand
for
the
remaining
thereafter.
L
L
The
adjacent
facility
sits
on
a
property
that
is
almost
twice
the
size
of
the
subject:
site
3.52
acres
versus
1.63.
The
building
next
door
has
two
story
and
a
single
story
elements
the
in.
In
addition,
the
there
are
no
parking,
or
there
are
no
parking
waivers
granted
for
the
said
facility
that
building
next
door
is
30
percent
less
than
what
is
being
proposed
on
a
site
that
is
almost
less
twice
half
its
size.
L
As
for
grading,
the
25
or
greater
natural
slope
occurs
towards
the
rear
of
the
property.
Total
natural
slope
area
for
the
property
is
12
570
square
feet,
which
is
about
17
or
almost
18
percent.
Of
that
site.
L
100
of
the
natural
slope
is
being
affected
by
this
grading
activity.
L
Portions
of
the
site
will
be
lower
by
20
feet,
or
so
it
will
require
31,
750
cubic
feet
of
cut
and
250
cubic
yard.
I'm
sorry
cubic
yards
with
the
next
export
of
31
500
cubic
yards.
This
will
require
2250
truck
trips
using
a
14
cubic
yard,
truck
offsite
grading
on
wheeler
lane
will
occur
for
driveway
access
and
with
that
they
will
require
a
encroachment
permit
from
the
city.
L
L
L
This
qualifies
as
a
third
class
32
categorical
exemption
under
sql,
section
15332,
which
is
in-field
development
for
for
the
following
reason:
it's
consistent
with
the
general
plan
designation.
It
occurs
within
city
limits
and
it
has
less
than
five
acres
in
in
size.
The
site
has
no
value
as
a
habitat
for
endangered
rare
threatened
or
threatened
species.
L
L
The
proposed
building
is
not
physically
suitable
for
the
property
it
does
not
fit
in
does
not
fit,
as
indicated
by
a
need
for
a
waiver
of
the
parking
standards.
In
addition,
the
project
proposed
does
not
comply
with
several
elements
of
the
city's
freeway
corridor
guidelines
and
the
precise
plan
of
design
guidelines.
L
L
It
lacks
angle,
corners
and
sloping
facades
to
break
up
the
facade
into
smaller
components.
The
project
does
not
provide
ample
landscape
area
to
reduce
its
visual
impact
from
the
101
freeway
and,
for
this
reason,
staff
believe
that
the
project
will
have
an
unmitigated,
significant
visual
impact.
Therefore,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
deny
sup
2009-70409.
H
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'll,
also
add
my
thanks.
Mr
chua.
I
appreciate
very
much
that
as
a
city,
we
have
architectural
guidelines
and
I
very
much
appreciate
your
report
that
lays
out
where
the
project
is
in
compatibility
with
those
guidelines
and
where,
where
it's
currently
constituted,
it
is
not.
So
thank
you
for
that.
E
E
Okay-
and
my
second
question
has
to
do
with
two
areas
you
touched
on
in
your
report
and
the
bigger
one
is
a
public
safety
question
about
having
to
do
with
brush
clearance.
There
are
areas
where
you
mentioned.
There
are
relatively
narrow
strips
around
the
proposed
building,
and
this
is
problematic
both
for
potential
growth
of
future
trees,
but
also
for
brush
clearance,
that
that
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
offer
easements
to
adjoining
property
owners
to
do
the
brush
clearance.
E
E
Right
there
there
are
minimum
limits
around
around
each
building
for
clearance.
So
my
question
is
really
a
general
question.
It
pertains
to
this
application,
but,
but
I'm
not
singling
out
this
application,
I'm
asking
in
general
what
the
protocol
is
here
when
there's
a
proposal
that
leads
to
relatively
narrow
boundaries
around
a
building
between
the
the
end
of
the
edge
of
the
building
and
the
edge
of
the
property,
which
requires
these
easements
that
spill
onto
neighboring
properties.
L
What
happens
is
that
the
the
brush
clearance
will
wipe
itself
out.
It
will
wash
itself
because
once
they
develop
their
property,
they
will
also
have
that
100
foot
brush
clearance,
so
it
will
meet
at
the
property
lines
so
that
the
new
the
property
owner
developing
the
vacant
property
will
perform
his
own
breast
clearance.
Now.
E
Right,
but
if,
if
the
neighboring
property,
if
the
neighbor
has-
and
I'm
I'm
only
speaking
hypothetically
here
again,
I'm
not
I'm
not
singling
out
the
applicant
here,
but
let's
say
we
have
two
two
properties:
we'll
call
them
a
and
b.
First
along
comes
a
property.
The
applicant
wants
to
put
a
building,
that's
very
close
to
the
property
line,
so
it
requires
an
easement
and-
and
let's
say
that's
granted
and
then
some
time
later,
owner
b
comes
along
and
says
hey.
I
want
to
put
a
building
close
to
my
property
line
as
well.
E
D
I
mean,
commissioner,
please
add
some
comments
to
that.
Please,
each
building
the
one
being
proposed
tonight
and
a
hypothetical
building
that
we
built
in
the
future
would
be
required
to
comply
with
the
fire
department
requirements
in
terms
of
construction
type
as
it
relates
to
brush
clearance.
It
may
impact
the
type
of
construction
the
new
building
has
to
have
in
order
to
provide
fire
safety.
E
D
Potentially
dependent
on
a
number
of
factors,
one,
what
type
of
building
the
existing
building
is
to
the
fire
zone
that
the
particular
property
would
be
located
in
and
three
the
proposal
that
would
be
coming
in
what
type
of
construction
they
would
need.
So
it's
a
variable
scale.
It's
not
something
that's
set
in
stone.
There
are
considerations
for
that
in
the
fire
code.
E
If
they're,
if
and
again,
I'm
only
speaking
hypothetically
here,
but
but
if
what
we
have
here
tonight-
and
this
is
not
hypothetical-
is
a
case
of
a
building
that
gets
quite
close
to
a
property
line
requiring
an
easement
in
the
neighboring.
If
a
neighbor
decides
to
do
the
exact
same
thing,
to
put
a
large
building
close
to
the
property
line,
which
would
require
again,
a
perimeter
that
goes
outside
the
property
line,
would
do
I
understand
correctly
that
they
would
be
precluded
from
doing
that,
because,
let's
call
them
owner
a
had
first
done.
That.
E
In
order
to
construct
right,
so
if,
if
they're
not
able,
because
the
first
property
owner
has
built
close
to
the
line,
if
they're
not
able
to
meet
the
100
foot
or
150,
whatever
the
the
perimeter
requirement,
is
then
the
second
owner
would
not
be
able
to
to
build
something
similar
to
the
first
owner?
Is
that
correct.
G
All
right-
and
if
I
may,
commissioner
newman,
I
would
just
say
that
the
easement
itself
might
be
revocable.
We'd
have
to
look
at
the
language
of
the
easement,
your
hypothetical
and
then,
of
course,
the
property
owner
has
their
own
right,
so
they're
going
to
make
sure
that
their
rights
to
their
own
property
is
going
to
be
primary
versus
someone
who's
going
to
take
an
easement
for
a
while
for
brush
clearance
as
an
example.
G
And
so
what
would
happen
is
once
they
want
to
develop
with
that
property,
and
they
know
there
might
be
an
easement
on
that.
The
purpose
of
that
easement
is
strictly
for
that
brush
clearance,
so
that
might
be
altered.
Of
course,
if
they're
going
to
be
some
development,
as
mr
parker
said,
there
is
an
issue
with
making
sure
the
fire
which
we
always
do
is
involved,
and
then
they
kind
of
give
us
some
of
the
rules
and
also
some
of
the
alternatives
for
dealing
with
that
issue.
G
If
it
arises,
depending
on
the
situation,
whether
it's
commercial
or
residential,
and
they
come
up
with
certain
options
as
well.
But
it's
a
great
point,
but
certainly
it's
something
that
we
would
look
at,
no
matter
what
happens
with
a
new
development
if
one
was
to
come
up
next
to
one
that
has
his
easement
on
it.
E
And-
and
I
appreciate
that,
mr
here
thank
you
for
flushing
that
out,
so
so
just
so
I'm
clear
my
question
is
a
general
one
pertaining
to
the
order
and
the
and
whether
there's
a
hierarchy
of
of
easement
rights
or
rights
to
an
easement,
and
it
sounds
if
I
understand
correctly,
as
if
you're
saying
there
is
a
potential
given
identical
commercial
properties
of
this
type,
where
a
first
mover
might
have
an
advantage
by
gaining
rights
to
an
easement
that
a
second
property
owner
doing
the
exact
same
thing
might
not
is
that
is
that
a
potentiality
down
the
road.
G
That's
a
that's
a
tough
one,
depending
on
because
of
your
hypothetical,
which
is
difficult.
I
would
say
that,
if
you
have,
the
purpose
of
this
of
this
easement
requirement
is
to
ensure
that
there's
going
to
be
brush
clearance,
and
so
we
request
that
the
applicant
actually
do
that
for
the
property
next
door,
if
it's
vacant
and
there's
brush
clearance
responsibilities,
if
that
owner
of
that
the
easement
holder
of
that
property
decides
that
they
want
to
develop
it
or
something
of
that
nature.
G
Their
right
to
that
property
is
going
to
be
primary
over
that
easement
and
and
the
way
that
easement
is
probably
going
to
be
written,
is
going
to
be
subject
to
to
the
primary
owner's
right
to
develop
the
land
as
necessary.
But
your
point
about
what
do
you
do
with
these
fire
issues?
Obviously,
is
something
that
would
have
to
be
analyzed
every
time
there's
going
to
be
some
type
of
development,
again:
commercial
versus
residential,
and
what
is
there
at
the
time.
E
G
Restrictive
as
far
as
how
how
they're
going
to
be
applicable
to
a
certain
situation-
and
so
some
easements
are
going
to
be
in
perpetuity,
for
example,
to
ensure
that
the
person
had
the
easement
right,
such
as
a
a
driveway
or
a
roadway
across
someone's
property.
That's
something
that
could
be
more
permanent.
An
easement
of
this
nature
might
not
be
as
permanent.
D
If
I,
if,
if
I
can
just
add
to
the
comments
of
mr
heeher,
this
particular
in
this
particular
application
is
for
brush
clearance
to
allow
access
to
a
property
to
clear
brush.
If
there
was
a
proposal
to
build
on
the
other
property
up
to
that
property
line,
there
would
no
longer
be
brush,
so
there
would
no
longer
be
a
need
for
brush
clearance.
C
Mr
chu,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
presentation,
highly
informative.
I
did
want
a
couple
of
things
clarified.
For
me.
You
mentioned
that
there's
a
storage
facility
directly
next
door
on
a
3.6
acre
property,
that's
30,
smaller
than
one
proposed,
and
that
it
was
built
in
1985
without
any
waivers
or
any
requests
for
any
changes
of
city
guidelines.
C
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
chu.
That
was
a
very
detailed
report.
I
appreciate
everything
you
put
into
this
process
with
that
said,
there
is
a
few
questions.
First
of
all,
in
light
of
our
former
chair,
does
this
require
a
fire
truck
turn
around
in
any
way.
L
Yes,
it
does
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
grading
plan
on
the
the
screen
right
now,
this
area
right
here
is
the
designated
turnaround
area,
that's
approved
by
the
fire
department.
I
So
that
is
that
it's
been
approved
as
it
stands
right.
Yes,
I
noticed
we
had
some
materials
before
us,
I'm
assuming
this
is
from
the
applicant
and
not
the
city.
L
Yeah
I've
brushed
to
it.
Okay,.
I
Aside
from
I
know,
there
are
people
here
to
speak.
Presumably
did
you
get
any
neighbors
comments,
any
any
involvement
from
the
public
as
to
this
application?
I've.
L
Received
I
spoke
to
a
an
individual
who
represents
the
the
westlake
storage
next
door
and
he's
concerned
about
the
grading
we
initially
spoke
to
it,
but
he
did
not
gave
me
any
written
statement
about
this
project.
I
L
No,
this
project
is
being
evaluated
on
its
own
merit,
not
because
there's
the
presence
of
a
self
storage
next
door.
I
And
lastly,
in
your
conclusion
on
the
written
documentation,
you
indicated
that,
to
the
extent
that
we
would
support
this,
we
would
need
to
establish
findings
to
justify
approval.
Is
that
from
a
factual
standpoint
or
what
kind
of
findings
would
you
be
looking
for.
L
Well,
you
will
have
to
find
fi,
I
mean
the
as
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
the
resolution
the
freeway
guideline
quarter.
Resolution
standards
can
be
waived
by
the
approving
authority,
either
the
planning
commission
or
the
city
council.
L
L
Well,
that
is
most
likely.
The
scenario
is
going
to
be
so
if
the
planning
commission
decides
to
approve
right
now
we
have
the.
As
we
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
there
is
we've
shared
the
conditions
of
approval
with
the
applicant
and
if
the
the
third
point
I
was
going
to
make
is
that
if
the
planning
commission
decides
to
support
the
application,
the
planning
commission
will
have
to
give
staff
and
the
applicant
directions
on
how
they
want
to
proceed.
L
Whether
do
they
want
to
see
a
smaller
building,
do
they
want
to
see
a
two-story
one-story
three-story
building?
Do
they
want
to
see
more
landscaping
on
the
sides?
So
these
are
the
issues
that
the
planning
commission
has
to
discuss
now,
if
the
planning
commission
decides
to
review
those
conditions
right
now,
I
have
them
here
for
distribution.
H
Thank
you.
This
seems
like
a
good
time
to
read
into
the
record.
There
are
five
statement
cards,
so
we
did
have
five
people
come
and
give
a
statement
card.
They
don't
wish
to
speak.
All
five
of
them
are
opposed
to
the
applicant
application.
H
C
Mr
chu,
I
have
one
more
question:
there
are
additional
neighboring
properties
over
there
there's
the
bts
furniture
that
we
saw
on
the
pictures,
there's
also
a
gym
over
there.
Marty's
hobbies,
I
was
curious,
were
any
of
those
buildings
granted
waivers
when
they
were
constructed
at
the
time
they
were
built.
L
L
Oh,
the
just
to
mention
the
self-storage
building
is
a
combination
of
single
and
two-story.
H
M
M
So
we
we
gave
it
to
them,
so
they
could
access
the
building
and
that's
for
ladders,
so
they
can
get
up
on
top
of
the
building
if
they
have
to
the
front
of
the
building
would
not
require
that
30
feet,
but
the
back
of
the
building
does
because
it's
over
30
feet
and
your
question
about
buildings,
remember
main
street.
Usa.
All
the
shops
are
common
property
lines,
some
are
infill,
some
are
built
same
time
and
they
always
manage
to
do
it.
It's
very
tricky.
M
M
So,
let's
see
oh
yeah,
and
one
of
the
reasons
this
works
is
because
the
wall
that
you
build
on
a
on
a
common
property
line
is
a
four
hour
rated
wall.
It's
like
an
eight
inch
block
wall
is
rated
four
hours
so
that
you
will
not
put
a
wood
wall
on
a
common
property
line.
So
that's
how
that's
dealt
with.
M
The
self
storage
is
normally
a
good
neighbor
because
there's
hardly
any
traffic.
We
have
one
employee
and
usually,
if
you
have
one
or
two
tenants
visiting
the
site
within
an
hour,
that's
a
crowd
very
seldom
happens.
M
Self-Storage
parking
coordinates,
so
they
use
industrial
well,
industrial
buildings
have
a
lot
of
employees.
We
have
one,
the
county
has
an
ordinance,
they
require
two
parking
spaces,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
when
people
come
to
the
self
storage
they
go
to
their
units,
they
they
don't
park
in
in
a
designated
space.
They
go
right
to
their
units,
so
it's
convenient
and
carry
things
in
same
with
the
elevator
they
get
as
close
to
the
elevator
as
they
can,
so
they
can
bring
their
items
in.
There
was
really
no
need
for
parking.
M
M
M
I
have
designed
three
self
storage
projects
and
thousand
oaks.
Mr
shepherd
was
my
planner.
None
of
those
projects
have
parking,
I
mean
service
parking
and
the
reason
is
because
the
people
don't
use
them.
They
go
to
their
units.
You
couldn't
put
the
service
parking
in
the
right
spot,
they
wouldn't
all
park
and
then
carry
their
items.
You
know
200
feet,
they
park
right
in
front
of
their
units
or
in
front
of
the
elevator.
So
that's
why
the
city
has
not
until
today
required
parking
service
parking
for
self
storage
projects.
M
M
Has
three
houses
on
it:
old
houses,
apparently
60
or
70
years
ago?
They
started
building
houses
there
and
the
site
was
graded
quite
haphazardly
and
in
fact
the
picture
that
I
I
gave
you
the
first
one
shows
the
driveway
going
up
to
the
houses
notice,
the
mud
that
comes
down
from
there,
because
there's
no
asphalt
the
house
is
in
very
bad
shape.
M
They
leak
need
a
lot
of
work
and
then
the
next
pictures
you
see
some
of
the
houses
up
there
there's
two
pictures
with
houses,
there's
actually
more
cars
on
that
hill
than
we'll
have
at
our
self
storage.
M
M
M
Client
plans
to
use
there's
an
easement
that
goes
along
the
back
of
the
site.
Ten
feet
wide
goes
down
the
skyline,
then
the
client,
my
client
owns
the
four
residential
lots
across
the
street.
I
guess
what
will
be
four
residential
lots:
that
site
is
below
the
street
level.
Water
stands
there,
so
his
plan
is
to
convey
dirt
from
this
site.
If
he
can,
he
has
to
get
approval
and
everything,
but
that's
his
plan
to
convey
it
down
to
that
site.
M
M
And
the
reason
is
because
we
don't
have
to
have
as
many
parking
as
an
industrial
building
does,
even
though
we
provide
it,
but
we're
not
putting
any
of
it
in
the
front
setback.
So
that's
all
dedicated
to
landscaping
I'll
show
you
a
picture
of
it
in
a
minute.
You've
already
seen
it,
but
I'll
show
it
again.
M
M
M
I
think
the
owner
of
the
building
next
door-
if
he
were
to
do
it
again,
he
certainly
would
not
do
a
one-story
stealth
storage.
As
you
know,
all
the
new
self-storage
are
four
and
five
stories.
I
did
one
on
skyline
for
the
owner
next
door.
Actually,
no
I'm
sorry!
I
got
it
confused
here,
it's
not
for
the
owner
next
door.
I
did
the
one
on
town's
gate
for
the
owner.
Next
door
backs
up
to
the
freeway
that
was
many
years
ago,
and
then
the
one
on
skyline
was
for
a
different
owner.
M
M
So
the
the
point
is
is
that
self
storage
floor
to
floor
is
nine
feet.
Office
buildings
are
normally
14
feet,
so
you
can
see
we're
three
stories
of
self
storage
27
feet.
Three
stories
of
office
building
with
roof,
we're
not
required
to
have
a
roof
on
this
building.
If
you
put
a
roof
on
a
on
a
three
story
office
building,
which
requires
they
can
be
in
the
neighborhood
of
40
to
50
feet,
so
that's
the
difference
in
so
floor
height
doesn't
mean
that
much
from
that
standpoint,
the
west
side
setback.
M
M
M
Now
the
next
exhibit
I
I
have
or
handed
you.
M
M
Keep
that
in
mind,
because
we're
set
back
about
170
some
feet
from
the
freeway
with
our
project
below
that
it
says
the
best
solution
is
angles
and
then
the
bad
or
the
worst
is
straight
line,
and
then
in
the
middle
it
says
better.
That's
what
we
are.
That's
where
we
fit
our
our
front
of
our
building,
offsets
as
much
as
50
feet
from
left
to
right.
M
If
you
look
at
it
closely,
that's
a
huge
offset,
plus
it
the
top
setbacks,
sets
back
as
well.
Now,
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
freeway,
you
have
to
look
at
it.
You
know
either
west
or
east
of
the
site
to
see
really
just
the
top
of
the
building,
because
there
are
so
many
trees
on
their
neighbor's
property.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
next
view,
when
you're
going
west
and
you're
on
the
far
far
side
of
the
freeway,
this
was
taken
from
the
parking
lane
I
guess
or
the
whatever
it
is,
and
you
see
the
breakup
of
the
building,
how
the
offsets
and
the
top
floors
set
back.
That's
pretty
good
set!
That's
a
lot
more
than
what's
shown
here
in
the
sample
that
they
provide
in
the
guidelines.
H
Mr
scribner,
can
you
wrap
it
up?
Please.
M
Next
is
the
building
it's
itself
we've
been
working
on
this
for
almost
a
year,
the
staff's
comments
about
windows
and
all
that
first,
I've
ever
heard
of
it
until
tonight.
I
don't
know
why,
if
he'd
brought
this
up
before,
we
could
have
done
something
maybe,
but
we
could
we
could,
if
he's
concerned
about
the
windows
where
they're
located,
I
I
don't
know
we
can
do
something
about
that
frame
them
or
set
them
in
a
little
bit
or
something.
M
But
sorry.
I
wasn't
aware
of
this.
If
you
notice
the
way
we
designed
the
front,
it
looks
like
a
two-story
building.
Actually
it's
only
27
feet
as
a
notice.
Pts
is
35
feet,
and
then
you
see
the
36
foot
setback
at
the
top.
M
M
M
M
E
Mr
scribner,
thank
you
for
your
report
and
thank
you,
mr
sanderfer,
for
this
application.
Just
a
few
questions
you
mentioned,
that
is
it,
mr
sandifer.
I
don't
want
to
mispronounce.
M
E
You
mentioned
he
is
also
the
property
owner
for
the
the
lot
just
east
of
skyline
drive.
Yes,
and
in
the
report
you
said
I'm
quoting
now,
he
doesn't
have
to
use
a
truck
to
get
the
land
the
the
31
000
cubic
yards
of
dirt
off
of
this,
this
application.
How
is
he
gonna
get?
My
question
is:
how
is
he
gonna
get
down
there?
If
he's
not
using
a
truck
he's,
gonna
have
wheelbarrows
or
how's.
M
K
M
M
E
Yeah,
I
was
a
construction
worker
in
my
youth
and
and
I
think
well
I'd-
probably
still
be
a
construction
worker.
If
I
was
using
a
wheelbarrow
to
move
thirty
thousand
cubic
yards
of
earth.
E
Have
you
do
you
have
any
input
from
you'd
mentioned
a
few
things
about
trees
and
the
the
tree
plantings
you're,
doing
you're,
taking
out
it
or
proposing
to
take
out
a
couple
of
trees,
but
but
also
planting
quite
a
few
trees?
Yes,.
E
M
E
My
questions
are
about
the
the
trees
that
you're
putting
in
the
replacements
you're,
putting
in
several
trees
along
the
west
end
of
the
property
yeah.
M
M
E
So
so
I
have
two
questions
about
that.
One
is
whether
your
tree
consultant
or
I
can
come
back
when
we
go
back
to
the
to
staff
if
they
have
weighed
in
on
the
feasibility
of
long-term
survival
of
these
trees.
E
That
that's
one
question
and
then
the
second
question
is:
if
you've
had
input
from
your
consultant
on
you,
you
mentioned
that
the
trees
would
would
block
a
large
portion.
If
not
all,
of
the
west
facade
of
the
building
and
my
question
is:
how
long
would
it
will
it
take
those
trees
to
grow
to
the
height
that
you're,
showing
in
your
simulations.
M
E
So
I
understood,
but
the
in
the
I'm
looking
at
the
simulations
that
you
provided
and
thank
you
for
these,
and
there
are
several
cases
where
the
trees
I'm
thinking
of
the
west
facade
in
particular
on.
M
E
All
right,
yeah
and
then
the
final
question
I
have
has
to
do
with
you
mentioned
you
brought
up
the
issue
of
the
windows
that
mr,
mr,
that
staff
had
mentioned
in
the
report.
I
just
want
to
verify.
I
think
staff
said
that
they
were
faux
windows,
they're,
not
actual
windows,
they're
there
for
articulation
on
the
build
on
the
the.
E
C
So
you're
just
mr
scrimmer
hi
how
you
doing
sir
hi,
so
you
were
just
saying
that
the
72-inch
boxes
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
in
but
on
the
landmark
design
landscape
plan.
It's
got
different
sizes
for
the
trees.
What's
the
discrepancy
between
what
I've
got
in
front
of
me
and
what
you're
telling
me.
M
I
I
I
With
regard
to
the
parking,
I
know
you
said
12
instead
of
13,
and
I
know
we're
saying
23
instead
of
24.,
is
there
a
way
to
modify
your
plans
to
provide
for
one
more
parking
space?
We.
M
Can
add
one
more
parking
space?
Easy?
That's
that's,
not
a
problem.
The
reason
I
had
23
is
because
at
one
time
the
staff
had
told
us
they
would
agree
to
reducing
10,
so
I'd
reduced
it
to
23
from
25
and
then
will
has
come
up
with
24,
which
is,
I
actually
had
25,
but
we
can
add
one
more
space
easily
those
spaces
out
in
front
closest
to
the
freeway.
We
just
add
one
on
the
end
of
that
row.
That's
easy!
Okay,.
I
The
other
thing
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
transporting
the
dirt
was
that
in
the
environmental
report,
was
that
in
anything
that
was
submitted
to
the
city
for
them
to
know.
That's
what
you
intended
to
do.
M
The
client
just
came
up
with
this
idea
because
of
the
report,
and
and
of
course
it
would
save
him
a
ton
of
money
if
he
doesn't
have
to
haul
the
dirt
away.
So
first
he
bought
the
lots
at
the
corner,
half
a
block
away.
So
if
we
have
to
make
those
trips
it'd
be
really
fast,
but
if
he
didn't
have
to
put
the
trucks
out
on
the
road
at
all,
it
would
be
even
better
so
by
putting
in
the
conveyor
down
the
eastman.
So
it's
not
on
anyone's
property.
I
H
Commissioner,
no
okay,
I
had
one
question
the
five
parking
spaces
that
are
in
the
building
footprint
print.
M
H
H
I
see
okay,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions?
Okay,
james
sandofer
did
you
have
any?
Did
you
want
to
speak
or
come
up
for
questions.
J
Hi,
yes,
I'm
james
sander,
I'm
the
owner
of
the
proposed
storage,
and
I
didn't
want
to
say
one
thing.
You
know
I
don't
know
why
I
have
to
hide
this
building.
100
percent.
You
know
we're
on
a
freeway
and
there's
many
buildings
on
the
freeway
and
they're
all
visible.
You
have
the
new
lows
going
in
right.
H
Did
you
state
your
city
of
residence,
I'm
sorry?
Yes,
I
am.
J
Yes,
I
live
at
lake
sherwood
area.
H
H
Okay,
so
he's
saying
from
the
audience
that
he's
the
engineer:
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
engineer?
I
guess
you
can
stay
seated
and
next
we
have
russell
bauer.
N
N
N
H
N
N
What
is
the
biggest
truck
that
can
get
into
their
location
and
if
they
can't
make
it
up
to
that
up
to
their
property
because
of
the
curve
of
the
driveway?
Where
are
they
going
to
park?
N
N
Additionally,
new
storage
facilities
right
next
door
to
another
storage
facility.
There
will
be
price
competition,
obviously,
and
then
a
lot
of
storage
facilities
typically
do
the
first
month
free.
N
N
Have
we
considered
the
impact
of
what
type
of
people
might
be
coming
here
trying
to
access
the
facility
not
to
get
in
if
they
are
indeed
homeless?
Are
they
going
to
be
trying
to
camp
around
the
facility?
Smoking
cigarettes,
possibly
starting
campfires
and
again
you
have
a
lot
of
residences
on
a
hillside
with
a
lot
of
dry
brush.
H
Thank
you.
There
may
be
some
questions.
Are
there
any?
No
okay?
Thank
you
very
much,
and
then
we
have
robert
lotto.
Please
state
your
name
and
city
residents
for
the
record.
K
K
K
K
Our
facility
is
such
where
the
second
story
is
about
200
feet
towards
the
back.
So
if
you
go
by
this,
the
the
storage
facility,
sometimes
you
can't
even
people,
don't
even
know
that
there's
a
storage
facility
there
because
we're
up
high
and
the
second
story-
is
towards
the
back
that
some
people
just
don't
know
that.
K
There's
a
storage
in
that
facility
and
when
it
comes
to
being
a
nuisance
in
the
neighborhood,
I've
gone
to
the
montessori
school,
which
is
on
one
side
and
with
all
the
kids
that
are
going
there
every
day,
with
the
trucks
going
in
and
the
and
the
land
being
moved
right
above.
K
The
school
itself
is
going
to
be
very
dangerous
for
the
kids,
I've
gone
to
the
other
owners
at
athletics
society
and
they
were
concerned
if,
if
the
trucks
have
to
make
a
a
u-turn
to
get
into
the
facility,
because
you
can't
get
in
one
coming
down
from
westlake
boulevard,
you
can't
get
into
that
facility
without
making
you
can't
get
up
the
driveway.
In
fact,
sometimes
on
rainy
days.
K
So
the
athletics
society
is
concerned
that
the
trucks
are
going
to
be
coming
down
that
street
to
make
u-turns
to
get
into
the
correct
way
to
get
up
that
hill.
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
concerned,
pts
furniture,
marty's
hobbies,
which
is
also
opposite-
the
society,
the
athletic
society,
and
they
concern
about
the
same
thing.
With
the
trucks.
I
Mr
lotto,
how
many
units
do
you
have
at
your
facility?
Excuse
me
how
many,
how
many
units
do
you
have
at
your
facility
532
and
how
many
people
work
on
any
given
shift?
Usually.
B
H
Any
other
questions
all
right.
Thank
you,
okay.
Is
there
anybody
else
who
wanted
to
fill
out
a
speaker
card
and
speak
tonight
or
a
written
statement
card?
I
don't
want
to
miss
anybody.
O
There's
that
better
adanas
iglidus
west
lake
village
we're
the
hypothetical
bee
where
the
land
owner
next
to
this
commercial
property
and
we've
we've
been
working
with,
will,
for,
I
think,
since
2015
to
develop
five
lots
and
we're
getting
very
close
to
being
able
to
develop
them.
O
O
You
know
one
way
or
another
and
that's
going
to
greatly
impact
the
traffic.
You
know
that's
because
I
know
that
last
time
I
was
here
in
one
of
the
commission
meetings.
One
of
the
biggest
concerns
for
the
homeowners
was
traffic.
You
know
something
that's
going
to
block
traffic
the
the
the
people
that
live
there,
don't
want
anybody
parking
along.
O
You
know
the
sides
of
the
street,
you
know,
and
the
guy
that
lives
there
on
the
I
think
it'd
be
on
the
on
the
east
side,
he's
put
large
boulders
so
that
he
can't
park
there.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
it's
just
a
sensitive
area.
A
lot
of
the
water
lines
are
pretty
close
to
the
surface
of
the
dirt.
O
O
The
roof
is
about
104,
which
you
know.
If
we
do
our
grading
on
the
side
of
the
the
property,
we're
gonna
probably
have
a
four
foot
retaining
wall
and
then
have
to
put
a
six
foot
high
wall
on
top
that
will
probably
just
at
house
two
cover
the
roof.
H
H
L
Brought
up,
let
me
start
with
parking.
Like
I
said
in
the
staff
report
parking.
The
city
does
not
have
standards
for
parking
for
self
storage,
so
traditionally
we
use
the
ones
for
warehouse.
L
The
the
conditions
that
okay
for,
as
far
as
the
landscaping
is
concerned,
we're
not
saying
that
the
property
does
not
have
enough
landscaping.
L
What
we're
saying
is
that
the
the
the
sides
of
the
property
does
not
have
enough
room
for
enough
for
ample
landscaping
so
that
the
the
the
visual
impact
of
this
project
would
be
somehow
reduced
by
those
trees.
We're
not
trying
to
totally
remove
the
visual
impact,
we're
trying
to
reduce
it.
As
far
as-
and
let
me
as
far
as
I'm
in
the
landscape
issue,
commissioner
newman
is
stated:
the
feasibility
made
the
statement
about
the
feasibility
of
long-term
survival
for
the
plants.
L
Now
when
I
spoke
to
the
applicant's
consultant
regarding
the
the
submitted
landscape
plans
and
by
the
way
what
you
see
as
we're
present,
what
the
the
landscape
presentation
we
see
is
what
was
submitted
to
us
and
what
was
presented
to
the
applicant
when
we
had
last
our
meeting
so
whatever
last.
Whatever
is
the
last
landscape
plan,
I
received
that's
the
one
I'm
going
to
use
for
your
presentation
now,
as
far
as
to
answer
the
feasibility
of
the
plants.
L
When
I
was
speaking
to
the
applicant's
consultant,
I
told
her,
I
asked
her,
I
said
you
know:
do
you
really
think
that
this
this
area
here
is
enough
to
support
the
trees
that
you're
proposing,
which
are
24
inch
box
trees
and
she
said
they
may
survive,
but
that
location
is
not
optimal
and
the
operating
word
is
not
optimal.
L
L
Now,
why
are
we
requiring
20
foot
setback
at
the
rear
of
the
property
because,
based
on
our
municipal
code
standards,
if
a
structure
exceeds
25
feet
on
a
adjacent
to
the,
if,
if
a
structure
exceeds
25
feet,
the
setback
for
that
side
of
the
building
where
it
exceeds
25
feet
will
be
increased
to
20
feet
instead
of
10
feet,
so
that
addresses
the
issue
of
setback
now
we're
not
requiring
them
to
do
a
side.
Setback
setbacks
on
the
side.
No,
what
we're
requiring
them
is
to
provide
enough
landscape
area,
not
necessarily
setback.
L
As
far
as
the
the
height
of
the
building
is
concerned,
I
apologize
for
that
that
45
feet
is
incorrect.
I
simply
went
by
the
the
project
plans
you
have
on
your
screen,
which
indicates
45
feet
and
I
went
with
the
worst
case
scenario
at
45
feet.
So
for
that
I
will
correct
the
the
on
the
record
that
it
looks
like
it's
27
feet,
plus
six
feet
or
nine
feet,
so
that's
36
feet.
L
As
far
as
the
pts
furnitures.
I
will
give
a
general
answer
to
most
of
the
buildings
that
was
shown
by
mr
scribner
on
this
presentation
on
his
on
the
submittal
to
the
building.
L
L
Loss
particularly,
was
is
sitting
on
a
graded
pad
previously
graded
pad
the
the
sage
mountain,
which
is
which
was
approved
by
the
planning
commission
sometime
a
while
a
while
back
it
sits
on
a
a
drainage
that
was
filled
to
to
provide
the
the
pad
for
it.
It's
not
somewhere,
where
it's
not
something
where
a
particular
hillside
was
graded,
to
reduce
the
height
of
this
pad
and
which
is
against
our
mini
our
the
architect,
our
freeway
corridor
guidelines,
there's
the
difference
most
of
the
building
that
was
pointed
out
to
you.
L
L
These
do
not
sit
on
top
of
a
hillside,
the
force,
the
three
or
four-story
buildings.
That's
next
to
the
freeways
these
are
not
adjacent
to
the
freeway
sage
mountain,
which
is
on
grand
vista
right
before
the
scale
does
not
silhouette
against
the
backdrop
or
the
ridgeline
and,
like
I
said
it,
sits
it's
on
a
54
acre
lot,
which
was
subdivided
into
a
five.
Now,
this
actual
site
is
only
five
acres
which
sits
right
below
the
property.
I
mean
the
the
total
property
itself.
L
Now,
as
far
as
the
landscape
plan
is
concerned,
going
back
to
landscape
plans,
the
proposal
does
not
have
24
inch
box
trees.
The
the
72
inch
box
trees
was
one
of
the
suggested
conditions
that
we
shared
with
the
applicant
in
case
that
the
planning
commission
decides
to
approve
this,
and
also
with
that
condition.
Staff
also
requires
that
the
landscape
area
be
increased
per
determination
of
the
city's
landscape
consultant
to
have
enough
or
ample
room
for
for
healthy
growth.
L
So
that's
as
far
as
that
is
concerned,
environmental
report,
no
mitigation
required
view
shed
viewshed
is
not
part
of
our
environmental
review.
We
don't
use
viewshed
in
any
of
the
official
environmental
report
that
we
do
and
viewshed
is
part
of
our
architect.
I'm
sorry
freeway
corridor
guidelines
so
just
to
make
a
distinction.
This
is
not
part
of
the
environmental
review.
This
is
part
of
the
freeway
corridor
guidelines.
L
So,
as
far
as
the
building
being
angled
and
parallel
to
the
freeway,
I
mean
staff
believes
that
there's
not
enough
articulation
to
comply
with
the
with
the
architectural
with
the
pre-recorder
guidelines.
It
does
not
have
a
sloping
facade
which
you'll
see
on
the
first
page
of
the
the
sub
these
the
exhibits
submitted
by
the
applicant,
I
mean
we
need
sloping
facades
which
the
building
doesn't
have
so
it
adds
it
adds
to
the
massiveness
and
bulkiness
of
the
building.
L
Now
going
back
to
the
other
buildings,
I
mean
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
all
over
the
place
here,
but
as
far
as
the
other
buildings
that
were
mentioned
by
mr
springer
pts
furniture
or
whatsoever.
If
you
look
along
that
line,
the
corneal
spectrum
building,
which
is
across
the
street
from
conejo
ridge,
the
pts
furniture
and
the
the
westlake
storage
building,
which
is
adjacent
to
this
property,
there
are
all.
L
If
you
look
at
them,
they
are
all
two
stories
and
they
were
required
to
not
do
a
to
the
not
cost
silhouetting,
because
that's
part
of
our
guidelines,
this
particular
project
when
you're
at
it.
It
sits
on
top
of
the
hill-
and
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
it's
going
to
stick
like
a
sore
thumb
is
the
expression.
I
guess.
L
L
Mr
bauer
asked
question
about:
what's
the
biggest
truck
that
could
fit
in
here
now,
the
fire
department
required
them
to
have
a
30
foot
wide
driveway
and
a
40
foot
wide
radius,
turning
radius
and
there's
a
hammerhead
at
the
very
end
of
the
facility.
I
mean
very
very
end
of
the
driveway
I'm
assuming
that
whatever
truck
ladder
that
would
reach
the
building
that
the
fire
department
has
is
the
size
of
the
truck
that
can
come
and
go
from
this
facility.
L
Mr
robert
lotto
made
a
statement
about
traffic
being
caused
by
the
amount
of
grading
2250
trips
for
every
development
that
we
have
in
the
city.
There
will
be
some
sort
of
inconvenience
to
to
neighboring
properties
as
part
of
the
grading
plan,
and
I'm
gonna
be
freelancing
here
for
public
works.
L
L
You
know
slap
me
if
I'm
wrong
here
traffic
control
and
to
make
sure
that
there's
the
least
disturbance
to
the
neighboring
properties,
but,
like
I
said
this
will
not
be
totally
quiet
or
totally
hassle-free
operation.
There's
going
to
be
some
sort
of
inconvenience.
L
Mr
danish
igleitis
mentioned
traffic
as
well.
I
mean
there
will
be
traffic
controls.
You
will
see
those
gentlemen
waving
red
flags
or
yellow
flags
or
telling
traffic
controlling
traffic
as
to
and
in
or
going
by
the
willow
lane.
Now,
if
this
project
is
going
on
for
a
few
months,
people
would
realize
that
hey.
You
know
what
willow
lane
is
a
hassle,
I'm
going
to
avoid
it
so
and
that's
just
part
of
development,
I
mean
everybody
or
I
mean
people
will
be
inconvenienced
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
D
If
I
may
continue
to
supplement
that
information
by
staff,
what's
important
to
note
in
terms
of
this
particular
item
and
what
mr
chua
was
explaining,
is
that
the
freeway
corridor
guidelines
are
intended
to
supplement
the
standard
requirements
in
terms
of
setback,
height
architecture
and
visibility
in
the
code,
so
because
of
the
proximity
of
this
property
to
the
freeway
and
its
high
visibility,
the
quarter
guidelines
provide
things
that
the
project
would
have
to
comply
in
addition
to
what
the
code
requirements
are
so
to
give
context
to
the
responses
of
mr
chua
in
the
location
of
this
project
along
that
side
of
the
freeway,
all
the
buildings
in
that
area
are
low-rise
buildings
and
that's
by
design,
particularly
because
that
side
of
the
freeway
is
higher
than
the
opposite
side,
which
houses
the
bmw
dealership
that
you
saw
in
addition
to
that,
the
bmw
dealership
is
also
somewhat
low
rise,
being
that
it's
primarily
one-story
and
two-story
buildings.
D
He
showed
you
a
section
of
the
grading
plan
which
showed
a
distinct
portion
of
the
hill
being
removed
to
create
a
pad
for
the
building
the
parking,
the
driveway
facility,
as
you
can
see
in
the
guidelines,
that's
most
like
the
diagram
show
for
what
is
unacceptable
development
along
the
freeway
corridor.
The
whole
purpose
of
the
freeway
corridor
guidelines
is
to
maintain
the
hillside
of
the
natural
view
in
their
current
state,
to
provide
visual
interest
if
you're
altering
the
hillside.
D
D
If
you
look
down
at
the
acceptable
portion
in
the
lower
portion,
you
have
landscaping,
you
can
see
the
buildings
the
portion.
The
point
of
that
diagram
is
that
the
landscaping
should
enhance
the
development,
it's
part
of
the
design
of
the
architecture,
and
it
should
be
done
in
such
a
way
where
you
can
still
see
the
hillside
with
the
building
with
the
landscaping,
but
it
doesn't
cut
the
hillside
and
it
doesn't
match
the
view.
D
D
D
D
Now
that
is
visible
from
the
freeway,
but,
as
you
drive
by
you,
see
the
hillside
in
the
distance
of
that
project
and
the
low
site
was
also
previously
disturbed.
There
was
a
previous
development
that
was
there
that
was
removed
and
the
low
side
is
being
built
on
that
in
terms
of
encroachment
upon
that
hill.
It's
a
very
small
portion
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
which
is
also
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill.
D
H
Excuse
me,
mr
parker,
could,
can
I
ask
you
to
show
me
one
thing,
while
you're
up
there
on
the
overhead,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
adjacent
parcel
that
the
owner
would
like
to
move
the
dirt
to.
Can
you
show
it
on
one
of
the
diagrams
one
of
the
site
plans,
so
I
can
see
which
parcel
they're
talking
about
in
relationship
to
the
one
we're
talking
the
one
that
we're
working
talking
about
now.
E
L
H
You're
finished
up
there.
Okay
are
there
any
other
questions,
commissioner,.
E
However,
we've
also
been
talking
a
lot
tonight
about
the
significant
amount
of
cut
that
would
be
proposed
for
this,
and
I
think
this
staffs
report
said
it
would
be
a
reduction
of
something
like
20
feet
in
height.
So
my
question
is:
would
the
statement
that
the
site,
where
the
building
sits
higher
than
surrounding
properties,
where
that
statement
still
be
true
after
this
31
000
cubic
yards
of
of
earth,
is
removed?.
L
E
E
L
E
L
If
you
want
to
imagine
how
high
this
is
going
to
be,
if
you
go
up
the
driveway
right
now,
that's
where
it's
going
to
be.
That's
that's
the
height
of
the
building,
because
what
they're
trying
to
do
is
chase
the
chase,
the
driveway
to
have
to
meet
with
the
minimum
driveway
grade
or
the
maximum
allowed.
E
E
L
That's
approximately
where
the
graded
pad
would
be
the
finished
grad
for
the
parking
lot.
Unless
mr
don
wait
who's
no
longer
here
can
can
say
otherwise,
because
I'm
going
to
show
you
where
the
natural
glade
is.
This
is
the
natural
grade
line
right
here
so
coming
from
willow
lane,
you
go
up
turn
around
and
go
through
this
driveway
right
here.
So
this
is
the
natural
terrain
line
right
here
so
and
this
it.
L
E
All
right,
but
but
but
you're
characterizing,
even
with
the
20-foot
reduction,
your
characterization
is
that
it's
still
higher
yes,
then
than
the
surrounding
properties
right.
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
also-
and
if
you're
not
able
to
answer
this
question,
please
say
so:
I'm
putting
on
the
spot
as
a
tree
expert
for
the
moment,
but
we've
talked
a
bit
about
trees
and
there's
some
lack
of
clarity
as
to
whether
the
as
to
the
size
of
the
the
trees
that
would
go
in
whether
they're
24
inch
or
72
inch
and
that's
fine.
E
Maybe
it's
not
decided
yet,
but
whatever
the
height
or
the
size
of
the
trees
that
go
in
the
size
of
the
box,
are
you
able
to
estimate
how
long
it
would
take
for
the
trees,
whatever
their
size,
to
reach
the
height
that
is
shown
in
the
simulation
provided
by
the
applicant?
No
okay?
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
I
Mr
chua,
in
light
of
the
applicant's
comments
with
regard
to
the
changing
potential
change
of
the
application
for
parking
and
the
height
and
articulation
stuff
like
that,
would
there
be
any
problem
with
us
with
you,
your
office?
If
we
continue
this
for
say
a
few
months
to
let
you
guys
finish
the
negotiation
process
to
get
all
the
items
that
you
can
resolve
get
resolved
before
we
actually
do
that.
Would
that
create
a
problem
for
you
guys.
L
L
Opinion
the
planning
commission
would
best
give
us
a
direct
instruction
of
what
do
you
want
to
see
as
far
as
compliance
with
the
framework
freeway
corridor
guidelines?
Do
you
want
to
see
a
one
story?
Two
story,
three
story,
four,
because
that
will
eliminate
the
back
and
forth
between
the
applicant
and
staff
to
say:
hey,
you
know
what
I
think
the
commission's
meeting
this
commission's
or
or
the
commission
means
that,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
very
objective
goal
of
what
the
commission
wants
to
see.
Am
I
putting
you
guys
on.
I
D
G
And
just
for
the
record,
it's
it's
important
to
note
that
it's
the
applicant's
decision
to
to
just
to
make
that
decision
tonight,
tonight's
or
night
and
you've
heard
staff's
recommendation
and
obviously
you've
heard
the
response
from
the
applicant
and
the
applicant
does
have
a
rebuttal
in
the
next
for
the
next
five
minutes
when
it
comes
up.
But
it
is
important
to
note
that,
ultimately,
the
decision
is
the
applicants
for
tonight.
C
As
someone
a
little
new
to
this,
I
have
a
question
for
mr
chua
as
well,
hypothetically
speaking,
if
they
were
going
to
move
31
000
cubic
feet
of
dirt
onto
that
other
lot.
That's
over
there.
D
Staff
hasn't
had
an
opportunity
to
vet
that
particular
sort
of
response,
so
one
we
don't
know
if
it's
possible
or
not.
Yet
we
don't
know
exactly
what
that
route
is,
and
it's
unclear
to
us
at
this
point
who
has
access
to
that
easement
and
what
that
easement
is
to
be
used
for
so
that's.
What's
that's
something
that
staff
would
have
to
evaluate
in
order
to
use.
I'm.
C
E
C
H
Are
there
any
other
questions?
Okay,
so
then
we'll
bring
back
mr
shibner
for
five
minutes.
M
Concerning
the
property
owner
to
the
rear,
one
of
the
reasons
we
set
the
building
down
was
to
reduce
the
impact
to
that
rear
property
and
the
ordinance
you
have
to
have
a
20-foot
setback
landscape.
If
there's
residential.
This
has
30
feet
because
of
that
10-foot
easement,
which
we
can
use
for
landscaping.
M
The
mountain
goes
on
up
behind
this
hill
behind
this
building,
so
that
the
first
floor
of
the
house
will
be
above
this
project,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
blocking
any
views
there.
There
won't
be
any
need
for
any
retaining
or
whatever
if
he
wants
to
build
a
wall
or
plant,
something
to
hide.
That's
fine,
but
we're
going
to
plant
back
there
as
well,
including
trees.
M
M
I
forgot
to
mention
this:
there's
a
apparently
a
standard
for
self
storage
of
seven
square
feet
per
inhabitant
or
person,
and
the
city
currently
has
five
square
feet,
so
there
is
room
for
an
additional
space
security
wise.
We
didn't
talk
about
it.
The
person
sitting
in
the
in
the
office
in
the
this
project
will
have
monitors.
M
Every
unit
will
have
a
camera
on
it
inside
and
out
all
the
quarters
everything.
So
if
there's
anybody
shouldn't
be,
there
it'll
be
obvious
to
the
person
sitting
in
the
office.
If
someone
opens
the
wrong
storage
unit,
there's
an
alarm
sounds
so
there's
total
security
here,
plus
the
building's
locked,
so
no,
no
one
can
get
in
that
shouldn't
be
there.
They
all
have
some
way
to
pass
to
get
in.
So
that's
that's,
not
an
issue.
M
M
There's
a
building
on
conejo
right
around
the
corner
that
has
a
30-foot
cut
behind
the
building,
so
cuts
is
very
common.
The
where
the
in-n-out
burger
used
to
be
the
post
office
along
the
freeway
that
has
a
20
foot
cut
behind
it,
like
I,
don't
know
several
hundred
feet,
long,
a
straight
line.
So
it's
very
common.
M
M
The
parcel-
I
guess
you
you
found
that
that's
a
it's
a
half,
a
block
away.
It's
on
the
corner
facing
the
freeway,
where
we're
going
to
take
the
dirt,
and
I
I
think
conveyor
is
just
an
idea.
We
talked
about
client
and
I
we
realized
we
have
to
get
approval.
If
that's
not
acceptable,
we
certainly
won't.
Do
it
just
tell
us
and,
as
will
said,
it's
typical
for
all
projects
to
have
exporting
some
more
sums
less
depending
on
their
situation,
and
so
we
will
haul
that
in
the
normal
style.
M
If
that's
what
you
want
to
see,
I'm
reading
the
environmental
checklist
potential
environmental
impacts
against
this
report
that
my
client
paid
so
much
money
for
it
says
here
that
that,
because
the
buildings
are
172
feet
from
the
freeway,
you
can
imagine
if,
as
the
example
shows
a
three-story
building
20
feet
from
the
freeway
45
feet
tall
you're
looking
up
here,
but
if
a
building
even
on
a
hill,
that's
200
feet
to
the
first
lane
of
the
freeway.
Maybe
more
is
back
there
then
you're.
M
So
the
fact
that
it's
on
a
hill
doesn't
really-
and
it's
200
feet
back
from
the
first
lane
of
the
freeway-
really
reduces
the
impact
dramatically
plus,
I
don't
quite
understand
still
the
staff's
approach
here.
It
sounds
like
they
want
to
hide
the
building
if
they
were,
if
they
looking
for
us.
The
right
amount
of
trees,
then
we'll
be
happy
to
work
with
them
and
do
exactly
the
right
amount,
because
that's
not
a
problem
so.
M
Also,
let
me
one
more
thing
here:
I'm
sorry.
It
says
the
buildings
have
been
designed
to
be,
in
conformance
with
the
architectural
guidelines
and
building
height
requirements
as
set
forth
in
the
city's
municipal
code.
M
E
Mr
scribner,
in
your
rebuttal,
you
started
out
by
referring
to
for
storage
a
standard,
and
you
talked
about
five
square
feet
and
7.5
square
feet.
Two
questions
on
this.
First
of
all,
what
standard
is
this?
Whose
standard
is
it
and
two?
Could
you
clarify
what
you
mean
when
you
refer
to
5
or
7.5
square
feet,.
M
Well,
actually,
it's
it's
a
national
self-storage,
I
mean
it's
there's
a
society
and
this.
M
It's
a
private,
it's
it's
a
group
that
I
think
sends
information
to
people
that
manages
these
centers
and
they
keep
records
around
the
country.
It's
private
industry,
standard,
yeah,
it's
an
interesting
standard.
Okay,.
E
E
M
Each
person
in
a
re
average
city-
apparently
yes
in
the
united
states,
the
average
is
seven
square
feet
per
person.
That's
it
that
would
be
a
units,
seven
square
feet.
So
it's
a
per
measurement.
M
E
M
Yes,
that's
fine!
I
would
like
some
guidance,
because
you
know
the
the
client
before
this
that
owned
the
property
worked
for
eight
years.
He
had
a
two-story
medical
building
and
his
staff
would
not
approve
it,
and
so
he
finally
gave
up
sold
it
to
this
client.
We
come
in
with
a
building.
That's
30
percent
lower.
M
I
I
I
think
some
of
the
comments
were
towards
the
articulation
of
the
building
and
some
other
issues,
and
again
I
guess
the
question
being
is
to
you
is
how
how
interested
are
you
making
any
changes?
You
would
indicated
before
a
change
in
terms
of
the
dirt
transportation
in
terms
of
some
of
the
parking
issues.
Again,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
areas
of
agreement.
Okay,.
M
Well,
let
me
let
me
say
on
the
parking:
if,
if
you
want
what
staff
recommends,
we
will
do
it?
I'm
just
saying
we
were
asked
to
spend
money
to
hire
a
consultant.
The
consultant
recommends
13
spaces.
We
only
need
three,
frankly,
that's
enough,
but
we
will
provide
whatever
you
want
to
do.
I
I'd
like
to
see
us.
I,
as
kelvin
said
we
don't
have
a
city
standard
for
self-storage.
M
I
don't
know
why
we
haven't
done
it
all
these
years,
because
this
issue
always
comes
up
all
these
extra
spaces.
If
you
visit
they'll
have
boats
boats
in
them,
they'll
have
some
more
storage,
they'll
have
trucks
things
you
really
don't
want
outside
by
reducing
the
parking
we
get
rid
of
that
and
we
could
turn
the
parking
into
landscaping.
M
I
I
understand
that
I
think
the
question
being
is
the
the
process
that's
used.
I
guess
the
question
being
and
again.
This
is
actually
back
to
mr
parker,
mr
here
whether
we
can
do
a
piecemeal
decision
in
terms
of
giving
some
guidance
on
height
and
other
things
without
actually
making
a
final
decision
on
the
entirety.
G
G
I
think
my
thought
would
be
that
we've
seen
the
staff
report
and
the
staff's
recommendation,
so
obviously
one
choice
would
be
to
have
the
hearing
and
move
forward
with
the
decision
close
the
hearing
and
then
have
your
comments
and
decision
whatever
that
is
tonight,
you
can
do
that.
Another
thing
would
be
to
continue
the
discussion
of
of
possibly
continuing
this
matter
to
a
date
uncertain
and
discuss
some
of
these
matters
that
have
been
brought
up
tonight.
G
Obviously,
you
pointed
out
to
a
number
of
them,
including
transportation
of
the
dirt,
in
some
way,
with
a
conveyor
belt
of
some
kind
and
other
things,
windows
and
articulation
and
and
things
of
that
nature
I
would
hesitate
really
of
trying
to
pinpoint
everything
down,
because
it
just
would
be
difficult.
We'd
probably
be
here
for
a
long
time
trying
to
figure
that
out,
so
my
recommendation
would
be
either
to
again.
G
This
is
something
for
you
to
decide,
as
a
commission
would
be
to
say,
would
the
applicant
maybe
entertain
continuing
the
matter
that
would
have
to
be
their
choice
to
continue
this
matter
to
a
date
uncertain
and
again,
I
can't
you
know
I
will
speak
for
staff,
because
I've
been
with
staff
for
a
number
of
years.
We
certainly
take
great
pride
in
our
efforts
to
meet
with
any
applicant
to
discuss
issues
pros
and
cons
and
are
always
open
for
that.
G
I
Thank
you,
mr
heather.
I
guess
my
question
being
is:
is
we've
solved
a
lot
of
issues
tonight
in
terms
of
getting
farther
down
the
road
in
the
process?
I
J
J
As
far
as
some
of
the
questions
about
the
traffic
and
the
driveway
and
all
that
the
driveway
is
going
to
be
totally
reconfigured,
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
wider
and
it's
a
lot
less
steep
and
also
during
in
the
next
year,
the
city
with
federal
money
and
the
city
money
they're,
going
to
be
redoing
all
of
willow
lane
and
widening
it,
and
so
that's
going
to
make.
You
know
we'll
be
opening
our
driveway
at
the
same
time,
hopefully
we're
working
about
the
same
time
there
and
the
the
lot
on
skyline
it.
J
It's
not
like
it.
The
lot
is
six
to
eight
feet,
low
lower
than
the
street
right.
Now
it's
a
big
hole
and
it
used
to
be
a
total
ravine
and
some
phil
was
put
on
it
before
on
the
oaks,
the
oak
being
removed,
one
oak
being
removed
and
one
toyin
bush
a
toyian
is
a
bush,
and
I
guess
it's
something.
You
know
that
that
is
required
to
you
can't
get
newtonians.
J
The
rear
setback
to
the
residential
is
really
30
feet
because
there's
a
10
foot
easement
back
there,
plus
a
20-foot
setback
and
like
like
neil,
said
the
residents
behind,
will
be
silhouetted
on
the
hill
more
than
we
will
they'll
be
above
us
because
it
is
a
hill
and
you
know
we
are
cut
into
the
hill
and
I'm
not
sure
what
mr
parker
was
stating
about
structure
this.
The
buildings
can't
be
put
into
the
hill.
It
can't
be
cut
into
the
hill.
This
happens
to
be
the
next
six
buildings
to
the
west
from
us.
J
J
J
You
can't
see
this
building,
except
from
the
tenth
lane,
the
one
on
the
very
far
side.
You
may
see
some
at
the
very
top,
and
it's
still
at
this
angle,
that
you
know
it
just
you
can't
see
it
from
that
side
and
when
we
superimpose
the
buildings
on
here.
This
is
exactly
the
way
it's
going
to
look.
Here's
the
pts
furniture.
E
J
We
left
that
telephone,
the
power
pole
there
to
show
because
I
measured
we
did
a
survey
and
got
the
height
of
that's
the
four-story
back
there.
This
is
the
third
floor.
That's
the
height!
That's
going
to
be
these
trees
are
existing.
We
didn't
add
those
in
the
picture,
they're
they're
there
and
then
we'll
be
adding
more,
and
this
also,
you
know
it
sounds
scary,
being
four
stories,
but
the
pts
furniture
is
two
stories,
but
it's
the
same
height
because
they
have
much
taller
ceilings
and
they
have
a
big
parapet
on
the
roof.
J
J
H
All
right
does
staff
have
any
follow-up
comments.
L
Just
a
few
just
a
couple
regarding
the
regarding
the
setback,
you
don't
count
the
setback
on
an
easement
on
a
different
property.
You
still
have
to
count
the
setback
from
your
property
line
on
the
rear.
It's
not
30
feet.
It's
going
to
be
20
feet
as
far
as
the
cut
is
being
there
coming.
Yes,
that's
true
cut
on
the
hillside,
not
necessarily
on
the
hero
side,
but
cut
on
a
hillside
is,
is
very
common,
but
in
this
particular
case
this
is
on
top
of
a
hillside.
L
There's
a
difference
between
like
an
example
for
for
lows,
lows
was
approved
for
an
encroachment
within
the
within
25
or
greater
slope.
That's
1700
square
feet.
That's
only
1700
square
feet.
Not
that
not
that
not
that
big
of
an
encroachment
now
this
one
here,
they're
digging
the
hillside
below
which
is
adjacent
to
the
freeway.
L
As
far
as
the
the
height
requirement,
you
know
we
don't
have
a
problem
as
far
as
compliance
with
the
municipal
code
as
far
as
height
requirement
is
concerned,
we're
not
arguing
that
we
know
that
it
does
comply
with
the
height
standards.
As
far
as
the
municipal
code
is
concerned,
however,
like
mr
parker
points
out
earlier
because
of
the
location
of
this
property,
which
is
next
to
the
freeway,
it's
subject,
any
any
property,
that's
within
a
hundred
a
thousand
feet
of
the
101
or
the
23
freeway
is
subject
to
these
freeway
corridor
guidelines.
L
It's
an
additional
guidelines
that
or
or
or
regulation,
not
regulation,
but
guidelines
that
we
impose
on
such
properties.
L
H
Thank
you,
okay,
so
I
think
all
our
rebuttal
time
is
over.
So
I
I
want
to
put
a
question
to
you
right
now.
Would
you
prefer
us
to
continue
this
to
a
date
uncertain,
or
would
you
like
us
to
vote
on
what
we
have
before
us
today.
J
Thank
you.
I
guess
we're
going
to
ask
to
continue
it,
be
I'm
not
sure
what
we
can
put
on.
This
is
a
hill.
You
know
it's
the
highest
porch
in
willow
lane
and
it's
so
it
is
higher
and
I'm
not
sure
what
well
you
can
do.
I
mean
you
know
it
has
to
be
a
viable
project
and
any
project
appear
like
say
the
office
building
the
medical
office
building
before
this
was
turned
down.
Also-
and
this
was
a
lot
better
use.
J
The
office
building
had
a
lot
of
parking,
had
a
parking
structure
in
front
where
we
had
landscaping,
had
a
parking
structure
in
front
with
two
levels
and
then
a
parking
structure
underneath
because
they
need
so
much
parking
and
and
two
levels
above
so
you
know
I
don't
want
to.
I
really
don't
want
to
a
naked,
a
denial,
but
so
I
I
guess
we
continue
working
on
it
and
we've
worked
on
it
for
a
year
and
I'm
not
sure
what
it's
going
to
take.
H
So
if.
G
I
may
charge
just
for
the
record.
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
I
I
think
the
reason
why
the
question
was
asked
to
you,
sir,
as
to
whether
you
wanted
to
continue
it.
It
wasn't
about.
There's
been
no
discussion
on
on
the
motion
or
any
motion
whatsoever.
So,
what's
going
to
happen,
the
procedure
would
be
that
we
would,
if
you're
done
and
and
the
meeting
goes
forward.
What
would
happen?
Is
we
close
the
hearing?
There's
no
more
public
comment
from
anybody
that
commissioners
discuss
it
themselves
to
make
a
decision.
G
I
have
no
idea
what
the
decision
would
be
tonight,
but
one
of
the
commissioners
asked
you
based
on
some
of
the
comments
today,
obviously
that
there
might
be
a
desire
for
you
to
continue
the
matter.
So
really,
the
question
is:
is
do
you
want
to
continue
the
matter
and
that's
your
right
or
you
can
say
I
want
to
have
my
hearing
tonight
and
have
a
decision
made
tonight.
That's
also
your
right.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
those
two
choices.
G
It's
certainly
up
to
you
to
do
that.
If
you
do
not
want
to
continue
the
matter,
which
is
absolutely
fine
with
you,
if
that's
what
you
want
to
do,
what
then
happens
procedurally
is
that
the
chair
would
close
the
hearing.
Then
they
discuss
it
among
themselves
and
they
make
a
decision
after
their
comments
and
that
could
take
as
long
as
they
want
to
take
it.
There
could
be
a
motion
to
do
that.
It's
just
that
if
you
were
to
say
later
on,
you
wanted
to
have
a
continuance.
We'd
have
to
reopen
the
hearing
again.
J
Well,
like
I
said
I
don't
know,
if
I
get
a
denial
to
tonight,
does
that
make
it?
What
do
we
do?
We
start
over
again,
I'm
not
sure
how
that.
G
G
G
There
is
a
cost
with
an
appeal
that
would
have
to
be
done
again
and
you
have
to
notice
the
appeal
within
10
days
of
tonight's
hearing,
but
again
the
reason
why
the
commissioner
brought
that
to
your
attention
was
simply
because,
if
you
want
to
continue
it
at
some
point
in
time
after
we
close
the
hearing,
we
would
have
to
reopen
the
hearing
to
do
that.
E
B
E
Not
but
mr
here
I
want
to
ask
a
question
about
sage
mountain
on
gronda
vista,
which
has
come
up
before
my
understanding
is
that
years
ago
there
was
a
previous
application
on
that
site
for
essentially
a
box
shaped
office,
building
that
that
I
believe
came
before
the
commission.
This
is
before
my
time
and
was
voted
down,
and
then
the
current
project
was
approved
by
the
commission.
I
was
one
of
the
yes
votes
for
that.
E
My
question
is:
were
those
two
completely
separate
applications,
or
was
it
bringing
back
the
same
application
in
a
different
form?
How
did
that
work.
G
G
It
was
an
improved
project
with
a
certain
type
of
architecture,
and
then
there
was
some
changing
of
the
developer
or
owner
issue,
and
then
it
was
brought
back
because
they
do.
They
didn't
want
to
make
some
some
material
or
major
changes
to
that
project
and
therefore
they
had
to
bring
it
back
to
planning
commission
and
so
the
second
time
I
recall
bringing
it
back.
There
was
other
discussion
about
the
architecture
and
the
parking
that
was
going
to
be
behind
it.
Some
of
the
things
had
to
be
changed
based
on
some
other
work.
That
was
done.
G
To
speak,
specifically,
I
don't
recall
one
being
denied
before
I
think
there
was
one
project
that
was
approved
and
then
it
was
maturely
changed,
and
so
they
had
to
bring
it
back.
Those
changes
were
again
new,
a
new
kind
of
building,
structure
and
design,
as
you
recall,
but
I
couldn't
give
you
any
more
specifics
in
that
and-
and
I
certainly
don't
have
the
plans
in
front
of
me.
Unfortunately,
tonight.
E
Okay,
so
we're
not
sure
if
that
was
one
we're,
not
100
percent
sure,
if
that
was
one
application
or
correct.
E
I
was
just
wondering
as
a
matter
of
process
whether
that
that
project
was
also
an
office
building
a
box-shaped
office
building
and
you,
the
current
form
is,
is
different
than
that.
It's
set
back
into
the
hill
and
it
may
have
been
one
application
as
we're
discussing
tonight
or
it
might
not
have
been,
but
the
commission
did
approve
the
second
form
yeah.
J
J
You
know.
We've
I've
built
a
couple
of
storages
I've.
Actually
I
sent
to
will
we
were
facility
of
the
year
for
the
self
storage
industry
in
1992,
when
I
built
my
first
storage
when
I
was
my
early
30s
and
because
we
built
it
very
nice
and
made
it
fit
with
the
neighborhood
and
and
all
that
and
that's
what
we
want
to
do
here.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
be.
E
J
Sore
sore
thumb
on
the
hill,
you
know
it's,
we
think
it's
a
good
looking
project,
it's
cut
into
the
hill
to
you
know
to
make
soften
it
up,
and
I
I
just
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
guess
at
this
point
we
better
try
to
get
staff
more
on
more
on
our
side
and
better
continue
it
to
a
later
date.
I
guess
to
be
the
best
route
right
now.
G
H
Okay,
do
we
need
to.
G
H
H
And
now,
can
I
ask
mr
here:
do
you
actually,
mr
parker,
mr
chua,
do
you
want
us
to
give
you
some
ideas
about
what
we
would
like
to
see
coming
forward
or
no.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
all
I
need
so
I
guess
we
can
welcome.
B
H
Okay,
so
where
are
we
now
department
reports?
There
are
no
department
reports
this
evening.
So
item
number
10.,
commission
comments
and
12
34
reports.
Do
we
have
any
of
those
commissioner.
E
E
Glad
to
have
you
here
glad
to
have
the
commission
back
at
full
strength
again.
The
other
is
just
a
quick
request
of
staff.
E
I
noticed
the
public
hearing
board
in
front
of
the
application
tonight
didn't
have
a
date
on
it,
even
though
the
agenda
has
given
the
date
for
this
hearing
for
several
months,
so
it
wasn't
like
a
date
uncertain
thing.
It
was
so
staff's
done
a
great
job
of
getting
the
word
out
through
other
means
as
to
when
hearings
occur,
but
I
get
asked
all
the
time:
hey
when's
this
this
item
coming
up
or
that
one
so
it'd
be
good
to
have
consistency
in
the
signage
as
well.
E
I
I
just
wanted
to
again
well,
I
didn't
get
to
say
it
before
to
welcome
commissioner
cohan
and
commissioner
bus.
I
really
appreciate
us
being
at
full
strength,
really
appreciate
you
guys
being
here
and
being
part
of
the
process
again.
The
great
thing
about
the
staff
is
fantastic.
Mr
parker
and
mr
heather
are
very,
very
well
informed
and
here
to
help
with
all
different
aspects.
If
I
were
to
say
anything
in
terms
of
advice
is
realize
we're
an
executive
body.
That's
here
to
enforce
the
rules.
We
don't
legislate
from
the
dice.
H
And
I'll
make
a
quick
comment.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
your
patience
with
me.
I
will
get
better.
I
think,
especially
with
the
microphone
and
thank
you,
mr
heeher,
for
your
advice
and
your
notes
and
also
welcome
to
our
two
new
commissioners.
I'm
really
pleased
that
you're
here
item
number
eleven
staff
update.
Mr
parker.
Are
there
any
follow-up
items.
I
May
I
think,
before
we
discuss
with
regard
to
the
cell
tower
application
coming
up
in
may,
is
that
off
calendar
officially.
D
No,
that's
currently
still
on
calendar.
Okay,
yes,.
H
Okay,
are
we
ready,
okay?
I
will
adjourn
the
meeting
to
the
next
regular
meeting
of
april
1st
2019
at
6
pm.
Thank
you.
Everyone.