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Thousand Oaks Planning Commission Meeting - February 27, 2023
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E
Thank
you
chair.
We
do
not
have
any
continuances
this
evening.
We
do
have
a
supplemental
that
was
distributed
to
the
Planning
Commission
this
afternoon
via
email,
there's
also
a
link
on
the
city's
website
in
the
planet
commission
agenda.
The
supplemental
provides
clarification
to
some
of
the
staff
report
narrative,
as
well
as
a
clarification
on
a
project
condition.
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Under
seven
eight,
oh
that's!
Okay!
So
we
don't
have
any
general
public
comments,
no
correct!
Okay!
So
that
I'm
not
going
to
read
that
next
we
have
the
consent
calendar.
With
the
minutes
of
the
February
13th
2023
Planning
Commission
reorganization
meeting.
Are
there
any
comments?
Do
we
have
any
comments
or
emotion
from
my
fellow
commissioners.
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C
2021-70893-Nd
recommends
city
council,
allow
a
general
plan
amendment
to
change
the
land
use
from
industrial
to
high
density
residential
in
a
specific
plan,
amendment
to
amend
sp07,
to
establish
specific
development
standards
and
amend
the
SP
land
use
map
to
assign
a
residential
land
use
category
to
the
site.
Currently,
industrial
and
a
residential
plan
development
permit
to
construct
32
story
buildings
consisting
of
a
total
of
27
apartment
units,
reconfiguring
Drive
vials
in
an
addition
of
54
parking
spaces
to
the
site.
F
F
A
little
bit
of
background,
the
physical
site
itself
is
approximately
1.57
Acres,
it's
located
on
Rancho,
Canada
or
off
of
Rancho
Conejo
Boulevard
and
right,
where
Corporate
Center
teased
into
that
into
that
into
that
Boulevard.
It's
directly
adjacent
to
and
north
of
1300
Rancho
Conejo.
It's
currently
undeveloped,
although
it
was
previously
graded,
it's
fairly
level
with
Rancho,
Conejo,
Boulevard
and
again
just
level.
There's
there's
not
much
not
much
of
a
grade.
There.
F
This
brings
us
many
years,
not
many
years,
but
a
few
years
later
here
tonight,
27th
and
we
are
at
the
Planning
Commission
hearing,
and
this
is
a
little
bit
more
about
the
project
process.
As
I
mentioned,
there
was
a
pre-screened
procedure
and
formal
applications
needed
to
occur
within
12
months
of
having
that
pre-screened
approval
or
initiation
and
again
all
requisites.
Having
been
satisfied,
the
Planning
Commission
is
being
asked
to
make
the
recommendation
of
City
Council.
F
This
is
a
view
of
the
surrounding
land
uses,
as
I
mentioned
before
this
site
is
just
North
of
the
I
guess,
let's
Point
here,
just
just
north
of
the
industrial
site,
and
it
is
also
adjacent
to
the
existing
Aurora
Villa
apartments
and
and
this
project
is
essentially
going
to
be
an
expansion
of
that
of
that
project
itself.
As
you
can
see,
there's
currently
surrounded
by
industrial
industrial
uses,
as
well
as
residential,
so
Rancho
Conejo
being
more
or
less
a
dividing.
The
dividing
line.
F
Just
a
quick
project
summary:
these
are
going
to
be
three
two-story
apartment
buildings
with
a
housing,
a
total
of
27
units
and
a
total
of
54
parking
spaces
to
accommodate
that
development.
There's
also
a
required
parcel
merger
with
the
adjacent
Apartments
to
the
north
and
that's
a
condition
of
the
of
the
approval.
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F
And
just
for
reference,
this
is
a
the
latest
Ventura
County,
Income
Limits,
the
the
box
or
I
should
say
the
row
at
the
very
bottom
is
highlighted.
That's
the
moderate
level
up
to
120
of
the
median
income,
and
those
are
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
of
the
incomes
that
would
be
looked
at
and
that
would
qualify
for
these
four
to
four
affordable
units.
F
In
addition,
there
are
private
usable,
open
spaces
for
these
units
and
they're
listed
here
by
unit
type,
so
depending
on
the
sizes
of
the
the
unit
itself,
whether
it's
one
to
three
to
three
bedrooms,
that
sort
of
dictates
the
size
of
the
the
balcony
or
or
patio
that
would
be
used
by
that
unit.
There
are,
however,
associated
with
this
proposed
waivers.
F
The
Thousand,
Oaks
Municipal,
Code
planning
standards
do
require
that
these
private
spaces
be
a
hundred
square
feet
minimum
and
have
a
minimum
seven
foot
Dimension
and
in
all
cases
here
we're
falling
a
bit
below
that
and
as
an
example,
we
go
with
a
60,
60
foot,
sorry
66
square
foot,
minimum
on
the
smallest
outdoor
space
and
the
smallest
dimension
of
about
six
foot
in
most
cases,
six
six.
So
these
are
the
waivers
that
are
being
requested
tonight.
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F
Seven
inches
upstairs,
you
would
have
a
balcony,
and
in
this
case,
60
66
square
foot
balcony
would
look
something
like
this
10
by
six
six
foot,
six
inch
minimum
dimension
this
this
area-
and
these
dimensions
are,
you
know,
are
useful,
they're,
very
well
utilized
for
a
barbecue
or
even
a
seating
area.
It
also.
F
We
should
also
note
that
there
could
be
some
minor
storage
in
here
as
well,
but
there
is
going
to
be
a
bicycle
Corral
provided
on
site,
so
you
know
bicycles,
don't
necessarily
have
to
take
up
the
space
there,
so
they
can
get
more
utility
out
of
it.
That
way,
and
now
we're
kind
of
Shifting
over
to
the
common
open
space.
They
are
proposing
a
common
open
space,
barbecue
and
outdoor
picnic
area.
F
However,
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
that,
since
this
is
going
to
be
an
expansion
of
the
existing
Aurora
Villa
Apartments,
they
are
going
to
have
access
to
the
other
well-established
amenities,
such
as
the
pool
area,
fitness
center
and
entry.
Court,
there's
also
a
children's
play
area
as
well
to
be
mentioned
with
respect
to
parking.
F
They
are
being,
they
are
parking
their
project
at
the
the
standard.
They
are
providing
some
affordable
housing
and
they
would
have
been
eligible
for
at
least
one
concession
in
this
case,
and
they
are
not
taking
any
concessions,
so
they
are
parking.
This
too
standard,
there's
three
additional
spaces
and
I
know
for
the
for
the
sake
of
clarity.
I
do
want
to
mention
that
that
there
would
be
three
additional
spaces
within
the
context
of
the
existing
subject
site.
F
However,
part
of
this
connection,
if
you
will
this
partial
merger
is
going
to
require
that
they
have
an
aisle
Drive
connecting
the
two,
the
two
developments
in
doing
so
they're
going
to
need
to
sacrifice
at
least
I
believe
one
Ada
space
and
a
trash
enclosure.
In
doing
so,
they're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
where
they're
going
to
put
the
Ada
space
and
because
the
trash
enclosure
is
going
to
get
relocated
on
the
existing
development,
they
will
have
to
probably
take
over
a
couple
spaces
there.
F
So
it's
no
longer
a
deficit,
so
it'll
be
a
net
net,
zero
net
zero
loss
for
for
either
either
project,
and
if
that's
not
clear,
we
can
discuss
that
also
for
protected
trees
on
site.
Now
there
are
no
actual
trees
on
site,
but,
however,
there
are
trees
adjacent
to
the
property
just
over
the
property
line.
F
These
are
the
locations.
I
was
just
referring
to.
So
this
is
the
this
is
the
oak,
and
these
are
the
two
sycamores.
It
should
be
noted
that
although
the
construction
isn't
going
to
make
direct
contact
with
the
trees,
it
may
encroach
into
the
root
Zone,
and
in
doing
so
they
have
a
tree
report
that
they
provided.
That
has
a
satisfaction,
satisfactory
monitoring
measures
and
protective
measures
to
deal
with
that
potential
encroachment.
F
It
is
potential
now
because
we
don't
know
to
what
extent,
but
but
that
it
is
addressed
into
the
in
the
arborist
report.
In
addition,
I've
also
kind
of
highlighted
there
was
because
of
the
past
storms
we've
had,
there
was
a
fallen
tree
that
actually
came
down
onto
their
property
from
the
adjacent
I
believe
1300
Rancho
Conejo
site.
It
was
verified
that
tree
was
actually
a
conifer
species
and
not
a
protected
tree.
Therefore
it
doesn't
really
affect
the
arborist
report
or
the
The
Proposal
itself.
F
F
Now,
just
to
touch
a
little
bit
on
the
amended
specific
plan
for
a
specific
plan:
seven,
the
Rancho
Conejo
plan-
this
is
going
to
be
a
map
Amendment.
So
there's
going
to
be
no
code,
language,
that's
going
to
be
changed
as
part
of
that
specific
plan.
However,
there
is
going
to
be
a
map
Amendment
and
I'm,
going
to
just
kind
of
zero
in
here.
F
F
It
is
currently
you
which
is
industrial
and
there's
going
to
be
a
map
Amendment
and
a
GPA
as
well
Associated
GPA
to
go
from
Resident
from
employment,
Park
to
apartments
and
a
general
plan
designation
from
industrial
to
residential,
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
it's
yeah,
it's
amended
to
a
planned,
Unit
E.
Then
that's
in
the
apartments
category
and
if
there's
your
there's,
your
e
just
kind
of
to
put
to
kind
of
highlight
it.
If
you
will.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
the
recitation
of
the
of
the
project.
Very
helpful
I
do
have
some
questions,
a
lot
more
answered
by
staff
and
some
correspondents
to
me
earlier,
but
I'll,
try
and
and
have
been
mentioned
in
the
supplemental
packet,
but
I'll
ask
some
for
the
record
just
so
that
I'm
clear
on.
A
H
Because
it's
entails
a
an
amendment
to
journal
plan
land
use
element.
There
are
some
ordinances
that
we
have
to
kind
of
test
to
see
if
we
require
voter
approval
to
become
effective
measure
e
and
measure
W
and
I
just
have
a
couple.
Questions
I
think
are
easily
answered,
but
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
them
for
the
record,
so
are
any
of
the
lands
affected
by
the
amendment
currently
in
the
land
use
designation
of
existing
parks
golf
course
or
open
space.
No,
sir,
does
the
amendment
expand
the
curb
line
outside
its
current
boundary?
It.
H
Those
are
measure
W's,
so
that's
that's
easily
done.
This
is
one
in
which
I
think
I've
got
some
clarification
on,
but
do
the
lands
affected
by
the
amendment
when
considered
cumulatively
resulted
in
that
increase
in
the
maximum
number
of
residential
developing
units
which
are
per
which
could
be
permitted
under
the
proposed
land
use
designations?
This
would
be
the
residential
allocation
for
measure
e.
F
H
E
Mr
Paris
or
commissioner
Ferris,
the
in
19
or
in
2018,
the
city
council,
performed
an
exercise
to
evaluate
the
measuring
capacity
versus
the
existing
land
use
destinations
on
the
map.
At
the
time
the
1996
Baseline
map
it
determined
that
there
was
a
some
sub-project
sites,
so
many
designations
were
underdeveloped
and
we
went
through
that
exercise
to
determine
what
would
be
the
more
appropriate
land
use
designation.
Some
of
those
were
lowered
from
the
existing
designation,
which
created
a
Surplus.
If
you
will
of
units
which
went
into
the
measuring
capacity.
E
At
that
time,
it
was
1088
units
that
were
assigned.
There
was
5400
that
were
identified.
1088
were
assigned
to
the
measuring
capacity.
We've
been
drawn
down
off
that
thousand
eighty
over
the
years
with
this
measuring
process,
and
currently
we
have
55
units
less
left,
but
this
project
was
assigned
48
to
accommodate
a
27
unit,
Apartment
project
that
was
endorsed
by
the
city
council.
H
E
H
H
Let
me
ask
another
question:
are
you
I
think
I've
got
some
clarification
on
the
building
Heights
part,
so
we
are
leveraging
a
thousandx
municipal
code
for
the
building
Heights
of
the
residential
units.
It's
25
feet
maximum
with
some
additional
height
allowances.
If
the
setbacks
are
allowed,
if
the
project
is
approved
as
design
which
includes
the
parcel
map
waiver
and
the
connection
of
other
things,
are
you
confident
that
the
the
project
is
designed
meets
those
height
setback
requirements?
Yes,
yeah?
Okay,
thank
you
regarding
the
trees.
I
just
want
to
confirm.
F
F
You
know
using
hand
tools
to
see
to
determine
the
limits
of
the
that
root
zone.
So
they're
taking
a
lot
of
precaution
to
not
just
jump
into
an
improvement.
That's
going
to
maybe
cut
into
a
you
know
a
larger
or
viable.
You
know:
root
Network,
so
yeah,
based
on
what
I
read,
I
mean
they're,
going
to
take
very
careful
steps.
F
There's
also
the
the
development
itself,
I
think
from
the
the
from
where
the
sycamores
are
they're,
roughly
five
to
six
feet,
I
think
from
the
from
the
wall,
but
then
the
actual
development
that
there's
actually
about
15
foot,
16,
foot
area
of
just
landscaped
lawn
and
then
you
get
into
you,
know
some
of
the
infrastructure
and
then
the
building.
So
there's
quite
a
bit
of
distance
there.
So
I
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
fairly.
You
know
safe.
H
H
Perfect,
thank
you
for
just
talking
that
through
during
during
this
discussion.
The
last
thing
is
that
there
is
a
node
where
it
it
seems
to
be
meeting
all
the
requirements.
Oh
actually
one
one
quick
thing
you
did
mention
in
your
in
your
review
of
the
plan.
The
only
amendment
to
the
specific
plan
itself
is
the
map
Amendment,
which
changes
the
EU
designation
to
e
no
changes
in
language
or
standards,
or
anything
like
that.
I
H
F
F
F
In
addition,
there
are
a
lot
of
common
amenities
which
I
think
may
not
have
been
part
of
a
majority
of
the
developments
occurring
when
this
standard
was
developed.
I
think
was
in
the
60s
or
late
early
70s.
So
with
that
I
mean,
if
there's
maybe,
maybe
more
cloth,
you
know
more
justification
or
kind
of
more
qualification.
Of
of
why
we're
asking
for
this,
you
might
want
to
pass
the
applicant
on
that.
Okay,.
J
The
great
thing
about
going
after
commissioner
Ferris
is
all
my
measure.
E-Questions
have
already
been
asked,
so
I
can
skip
those.
Thank
you,
but
actually
you
know
what
they
haven't
been
asked
I'm
going
to
ask
one.
We
obviously
have
done
a
part
of
a
general
Plan
update
process,
but
we
haven't
had
that
approved.
Is
that
why
we're
still
evaluating
measure
e
as
part
of
this
process?
That's.
J
J
F
F
F
F
J
F
Right
I
mean
because,
even
though,
if
you
include
just
I
believe
like
over
10
of
affordable
housing,
you're
allowed
right
off
the
bat
I
believe
one
or
two
concessions
and
I
have
to
verify
that,
but
in
this
case
you're
not
asking
for
any
concessions.
So
the
first
one
I
believe
is
parking
is
what
you
get
as
a
freebie
and
they
didn't
elect
to
do
that.
J
F
F
My
assumption
here
is
that
and
and
the
way
they
built
this
in
the
three
unit-
they're
sorry,
the
three
additional
spaces
is
that
these
trash
enclosures
will
have
to
get
relocated
somewhere
in
that
northern
part
that
Northern
development
and
doing
so
they
may
have
to
take
out
two
parking
spaces
to
relocate
those
trash,
enclosures
and,
of
course,
the
88,
the
Ada
space.
That's
your
three
and
those
trees.
New
spaces
will
now
be
located
here
in
the
southern
portion.
If
they
only
end
up,
you
know
swallowing
up
one
and
figuring
out
a
better
solution.
J
F
D
D
B
F
B
K
All
right
all
right
good
evening,
my
name
is
Doug
Griffith
I'm,
the
vice
president
of
development
for
Chappelle
properties,
where
the
owner
of
the
Arroyo
Villas
Apartments,
which
we
developed
back
in
I,
think
our
first
CFO
was
in
1995,
continued
on
them
to
this
day
and
plan
to
own
them
in
in
perpetuity
family
owned
company
developer
owner
operator
of
real
estate,
and
we
look
forward.
We've
had
this
lot
vacant
for
30
some
odd
years,
so
we
look
forward
to
bringing
it
as
a
productive
use
for
the
community
and
I
have
worked
hard
with
staff.
K
If
this
plan
has
gone
through
quite
a
few
revisions,
I
think
we've
been
working
for
maybe
two
and
a
half
years
on
this
program
changed
the
number
of
stories
number
of
units
based
on
feedback
and
requests
from
staff
and
I
think
we
have
come
to
a
design.
That
ultimately
was.
It
was
our
concept
that
this
should
just
be
an
extension
of
the
existing
Apartments.
So
we
wanted
this
to
be
a
refreshed
version
of
the
existing
Arroyo
Villas
apartments,
and
so
with
that
in
mind,
it
looks
very
similar.
K
We
actually
changed
the
drive
aisle,
so
it
comes
through
Arroyo
Villas
does
not
come
off
Rancho
Conejo
at
a
request
of
Staff
and
the
we
put
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
the
public
amenities.
What
we
have
found
with
apartment
dwellers.
Is
they
really
appreciate
having
significant
amenities
outside
of
their
unit?
It's
fascinating.
They
want
to
live
in
a
resort
at
the
end
of
the
day,
so
we
have
multiple
pools
on
the
Arroyo
Villas
Community.
There's
one
right
very
nearby
to
this.
K
This
lot,
we've
recently
resurfaced
the
pool
resurfaced,
the
pool
deck
new
furniture,
things
like
that,
we're
continuing
to
invest
in
the
in
the
property,
and
so
we
would
look
at
actually
that
is
going
to
be
a
huge
amenity
for
these
new
units.
In
addition,
the
other
thing
that
we
find
typically
is
the
barbecue
hangout
bench
areas
are
very
desirable
and
given
fire
code
and
things
like
that,
now
we
really
don't
have
barbecues
on
the
individual
patios
anymore.
K
So
we
encourage-
and
it's
basically
required
that
you
come
out
to
the
public
barbecues
that
are
part
of
the
community
and
we
don't
have
them
on
the
on
the
pad
videos,
trying
to
think
what
other
questions
so
yeah
in
terms
of
the
the
private
open
space.
This
is
a
very
consistent
product
that
we've
been
building
for,
probably
about
the
last
five
years
in
terms
of
the
space
of
the
balconies
and
things
like
that.
K
It's
it's!
What
people
have
it's?
It's
worked
for
our
residents.
We've
had
really
no
complaints
on
that
and,
like
I
said
they
typically,
they
tend
to
use
they
go
out
and
and
become
part
of
the
community.
They
make
their
friends
outside
they
go
to
the
barbecues
outside
they
go
to
the
pool
they
hang
out
in
the
pool
deck
things
like
that.
K
Really
one
of
our
bigger
challenges
is
making
sure
those
Balcones
don't
become
big
storage
areas
and
the
bigger
they
get
the
more
of
a
storage
area
and
which
is
something
that
we
have
to
manage
as
part
of
the
operations
I
mean
answer,
I
think
there
was
a
question
on
the
parking
garage
on
the
garages
that
would
be
underneath
we
do
assign
those
typically
we're
trying
to
get
them
as
close
to
the
unit
that
they
are
either
on
top
of
or
behind.
But
yes,
they
are
assigned
and
I.
J
K
J
K
Well,
it
depends
on
when
or
if
we
are
finally
approved
good
answer.
Typically,
what
I
would
say
is
from
that
point:
we
have
to
do
our
construction
drawings
and
then
go
through
plan
check.
Big
picture.
That's
about
a
year
depends
on
how
long
plan
check
takes
and
then
I
would
say
that
building
these
is
maybe
a
12
to
18
month
12
to
20
month
process.
So
it
depends
on
whether
we
get
lovely
weather
like
right.
Now
that
slows
us
down,
but
that's
about
the
ballpark.
The.
K
No,
no,
we
have
thought
about
and
that's
why
we,
we
kind
of
knew
we
had
to
find
three
parking
stalls
on
the
new
parcel
because
we
were
losing.
As
Nazar
said,
we
were
losing
the
Ada
stall
and
the
trash,
because
that's
where
the
drive
all
comes
through,
so
we
have
already
we've
already
laid
that
out,
so
that
we
know
that
it
fits
okay.
J
J
K
G
D
Actually,
I
have
a
commissioner
lansom
question
for
you.
Do
you
agree
to
all
the
conditions
that
have
been
set
forth
in
the
resolution?
Yes,
okay.
I
did
actually
have
one
question
because
it's
came
up
in
my
own
jurisdiction,
but
is
it
one
of
the
condition
24
I
believe
requires
that
you
actually
merge
the
two
Parcels
into
one
single
parcel.
H
K
So
we
have
to
go:
get
approval
from
the
lender
of
the
original
of
the
existing
Arroyo
Villas
to
let
us
do
that.
This
is
a
small
enough
project
for
us
that
we
don't
anticipate
getting
a
construction
loan
to
build
these
27
units,
so
that
makes
it
a
little
bit
easier
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
collateral
that
the
lender
would
be
getting
on.
The
existing
Apartments
is
actually
more.
K
So
we
don't
anticipate
that
being
a
problem
and
it's
really
it's
the
infrastructure
and
the
drive
aisle
and
everything
coming
from
Arroyo
Villas
to
this
parcel,
which
is
what's
creating
the
need
for
this
parcel
merger,
but
because
both
Parcels,
ultimately
they're
be
owned
by
the
same
entity
or
the
same
company.
It's
it's.
We
don't
anticipate
it
being
a
problem,
but
we
do
have
to
go
get
approval
from
our
lender
of
the
existing
Apartments.
Okay.
D
H
H
I
do
I,
do
have
a
question.
I
just
wanted
to
get
an
understanding
from
your
perspective.
What
would
the
impact
be
to
the
project
if
you
were
to
comply
with
the
100
square
foot,
minimum
seven
foot
Dimension?
What
would
happen
with
the
project?
How
would
it
have
to
be?
How
would
you
end
up
having
to
deal
with
that.
K
H
H
One
last
question:
so
this
is,
as
you
said,
you've
been
working
with
staff
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
feedback
and
you've
been
kind
of
working
with
understanding
how
the
project
can
happen.
What's
required
personal
map
waivers
or
mergers
all
this
other
stuff,
that's
happening
and
a
development
agreement,
which
would
then
give
you
certainty
on,
if
approved,
you'd,
be
able
to
to
purchase
that
or
be
able
to
build
to
it
that
negotiation
happened
with
staff
and
and
so
on.
H
But
this
is
the
first
time
that
plan,
commission
or
even
city
council
had
the
opportunity
to
see
the
details
of
that
and
to
be
able
to
ask
what
what
potential
Community
benefits
are
there.
Given
that
we've
got
the
the
four
affordable
units
that
you've
mentioned,
that
are
at
the
moderate
income
level,
I
could
go
through
I'm,
going
to
ask
a
question:
I
could
go
through
and
and
ask
for
something
really
big
and
try
and
negotiate
with
you,
but
I'm
just
wondering,
given
that
only
four
of
them
are
moderate.
H
We
still
do
not
have
any
very
low
or
low
that
are
in
our
Arena
allocation.
If
there
were
a
recommendation
to
have
one
of
the
four
be
either
at
the
very
low
or
low
income
level,
as
part
of
that
Community
benefit
to
to
do
the
for
for
this
project.
Is
that
something
that
would
give
you
extreme
heartburn.
K
It
would
be
challenging
because
of
the
size
of
this
project
being
only
27
units
to
be
able
to
to
allocate
it
across
the
27.
It's
a
very
small
project
and
let's
say
the
part
of
the
history
was.
We
were
actually
originally
asked
to
make
a
much
bigger
project
and,
as
we
went
through
with
staff,
then
it
came
out
that
no,
no
actually
that's
too
big
and-
and
we
had
said
at
that
time
with
a
bigger
project,
we
could
do
more,
affordable
housing.
H
H
H
B
K
K
If
that's
a
bicycle
Corral,
we
don't
have
any
of
those
on
the
existing
Royal
Apartments
because
they
were
built
back
in
1995
before
most
bike
storage
came
into
being,
and
that
is
one
place
where
going
back
to
the
balcony
in
the
the
private
open
space
that
that
closet
there,
that
storage
closet
is
very
useful
for
people
to
be
able
to
put
things.
It's
not
necessarily
bikes
made
for
bikes.
K
But
you
know
everybody
has
stuff
sporting
equipment
and
whatever-
and
that's
that's
useful,
so
I
don't
know
we
don't
have
any
bike
lockers,
we
don't
have
any.
We
have.
Oh,
what's
you
know
places
people
can
lock
bikes
up
on
the
existing
Apartments
I.
Don't
know
how
many
and
I
don't
know
the
details,
but
I'm
happy
to
find
that
out.
B
That's
not
really
my
question,
my
my
my
thought
is
that
if
you're
going
to
put
it
at
the
new
area,
then
will
there
be
there's
more
people
riding
bikes
these
days?
A
lot
more
people
and
I'm
concerned
that
there
will
be
enough
for
everybody,
because
well
people
from
the
whole
from
both
areas
want
to
use
it
and
I'm
just
gonna,
throw
it
out
that
maybe
we
need
some
on
both
properties.
Yeah.
K
K
We
haven't,
had
necessarily
people
come
and
ask
for
that,
but
we
do
have
enough
space
on
the
existing
Royal
Apartments,
where
we
would
be
happy
to
put
bike
lockers
and
things
like
that
there
that
that
actually
is
not
a
problem.
You
know
if
we,
if
we
put
these
in
and
all
of
a
sudden
people
are
coming
into
the
office
and
they
will,
by
the
way,
they'll
come
and
say,
hey
those
look
really
great.
Why
can't
we
have
some
on
our
side
and
that
they
will
absolutely
come?
B
Great
because
we
want
more
people,
riding
bikes
yep,
so.
Lastly,
your
comments
about
the
smaller
outdoor,
balconies
and
patios
I
had
been
really
concerned
about
them
because
I
I
know
several
people
now
currently
are
quarantining
from
covid
and
if
you're
quarantining
and
you're
isolated
be
nice
to
have
your
own
private
space,
where
you
have
and
and
I
I
would
I
was
really
kind
of
bothered
by
it,
but
I
feel
that
your
explanation
makes
sense
to
me.
B
K
K
C
B
B
F
No
I
can
just
kind
of
volunteer
some
some
just
clarification
info.
We
did
mention
bike
rack,
so
it
is
actually
part
of
their
conditions
of
approval
that
they
have
a
5u
bicycle
racks
that
can
accommodate
up
to
10
bicycles
and
that
was
again
a
function
of
Public
Works.
But
that's
also
in
their
resolution.
In
the
conditions
of
approval.
L
And
Sheriff
I
may.
As
you
know,
it
was
just
mentioned
about
the
development
agreement,
and
this
is
the
typical
process
that
we
have
for
the
pre-screening.
Due
to
the
nature
of
that
process.
We
do
enter
into
a
development
agreement
and
I
do
want
to
mention
that
in
this
particular
case,
we
did
negotiate
with
applicant
in
good
faith.
They
came
back
in
good
faith
to
reach
some
of
the
benefits
that
were
not
initially
part
of
the
deal,
and
so
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
on
asking
for
those
things.
L
The
ranges
of
the
benefits
change
for
both
applicant
and
for
the
city
when
it
comes
to
these
deals,
but
I
just
want
to
make
a
note
that
it
was
through
a
good
faith,
negotiation
effort
on
both
sides
to
reach
the
deal
points
that
we
are
recommending
as
part
of
the
development
agreement
that
is
attached
to
your
packet.
Thank
you.
B
E
G
E
Council
Members
made
comments
that
they
would
like
to
see
more
units
more
affordable.
The
applicant
responded
by
going
through
a
substantial
expenditure
to
prepare
revised
architectural
plans
to
add
units,
but
by
doing
so
they
added
a
third
floor
which
would
have
been
inconsistent
with
the
architectural
design
of
the
buildings
that
are
existing
for
the
complex.
Now.
Additionally,
we
have
single-family
residential
to
the
east.
We
are
trying
to
minimize
the
Privacy
impacts
to
those
homes,
so
we
did
ask
them
to
scale
that
back
which
they
did
went
back
to
the
two-story
product.
B
J
You
chair
initially
I,
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
for
the
process.
You
went
through
it's
a
beautiful
project.
I
know
it's
a
long
process
and
we
very
much
appreciate
you
investing
and
coming
and
being
in
our
city,
so
I.
Thank
you.
I
do
see
from
what
Mr
heger
said
that
this
is
a
long
process
that
was
done
between
everybody.
J
That
would
love
to
live
in
the
city,
but
for
the
fact
that
we
have
million
dollar
homes
and
it's
cost
a
thousand
dollars
a
square
foot
to
try
to
build
anything
with
that
said,
there's
a
trade-off
in
the
difficulty
again,
as
Mr
Kearns
pointed
out,
is
to
get
that
affordable
housing.
Usually
we
get
it
by
density
bonus,
which
would
mean
you
know
you
get
a
little
bit.
J
City
gets
a
little
bit
and
then
we
all
of
a
sudden
have
a
third
story
and
we
get
a
project
that
is
probably
not
incompatibility
with
kind
of
the
surroundings
and
that's
kind
of
creates
that
difficulty
with
that
said,
you
didn't
ask
for
density,
bonus,
you're,
adding
some
affordable
units,
even
though
at
the
moderate
level
again,
this
is
not
a
large
enough
project,
probably
to
get
us
a
whole
lot
in
terms
of
that
process,
which
is
tough.
The
balconies
I
do
have
an
issue
as
well.
J
I
do
again
I
think,
as
as
chair
McMahon
said,
understand
the
trade-offs.
The
storage
thing
is
a
good
thing.
I
like
the
fact
of
not
necessarily
having
the
barbecues
on
the
on
the
outside
and
having
the
the
area
I
I,
it's
funny,
I
almost
looked
at
this,
as
you
said,
on
vacation
I,
think
at
some
point
and
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
looking
at.
This
is
as
a
a
nice
thing
for
for
that
kind
of
mentality.
J
B
A
L
So
yes,
I,
think
what
I
would
say
is
that
as
long
as
you
understand,
the
recommendation
is
two
parts.
The
first
part
is
that
you
are
recommending
approval
or
that
city
council
adopt
the
negative
deck,
and
the
second
part
would
be
that
you're
recommending
that
city
council
approve
the
various
applications
request,
including
the
the
general
plan,
Landings
Amendment
development
agreement,
residential
plan
development,
permit
specific
plan
and
protected
tree
permit
and.
J
H
I
I
I
think
it
was
a
cop-out
that
you
didn't.
You
didn't
read
the
whole
thing.
I
mean
our
secretary
read
the
whole
thing
so,
although
that
I
was
just
joking
before
is
that
it
might
have
to
like
have
a
vote
to
go
past
11
o'clock.
If,
if
we
actually
did
that
so
I
I
I
I
will
I
will
support
the
motion.
I'm
not
going
to
ask
for
any
amendment
to
to
modify
it
or
anything
like
that.
I
I
understand
the
back
and
forths
and
and
kind
of
where
we
land
on
this.
H
Given
that
all
the
negotiation
is
kind
of
happening
at
that
at
that
staff
level
and
and
got
to
got
to
hear,
I
do
think.
Looking
at
the
reen
allocations
that
we
have
I
think
sometimes
maybe
we
need
to
potentially
at
the
city
council
level
and
propagating
down
to
the
commission
and
staff
level.
We
need
to
lean
in
just
a
little
more
to
do
that
so,
given
that
this
was
an
opportunity
to
bring
that
up,
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
get
a
sense
of
it.
H
But
I
think
this
is
a
well-designed
project.
I
think
it
is
highly
compatible
with
with
the
neighboring
project.
It
seems
like
an
appropriate
way
of
asking
for
all
of
these
interconnected
things
to
make
for
a
nice
set
of
additional
housing
and
homes
for
for
moderate
income
families
to
be
able
to
reside
here
in
Thousand
Oaks.
H
That
particular
section
was
part
of
the
original
1974
ordinance
and
has
been
on
the
books
for
some
time
so
either.
We
believe
that
should
be
the
standard
or
we
should
review
the
new
standards
so
that
we're
not
always
being
asked
to
waive
it
for
projects
so,
but
for
all
of
that,
I
will
support
the
motion.
D
These
large
incubators
is
an
incubator
next
door,
so
this
is
in
that
plays
into
the
second
role
of
this
project
is
the
fact
that
it
will
provide
much
needed
housing
for
people
who
are
being
incubated,
like
that's,
probably
the
wrong
word,
but
it
the
the
kind
of
families
that
we
are
hoping
to
attract
to
Rancho
Conejo
and
the
the
kind
of
workers
that
we
are
hoping
to
attract
to
2000
Oaks
is
this
is
the
perfect
product
for
it?
Frankly,
so
I
appreciate
the
efforts
that
you
went
through
in
order
to
get
to
this
point.
I
Yeah
I,
just
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
preparing
the
report,
was
amazing,
I
mean
as
the
Newbie
on
on
the
commission.
It
was
I
read
all
of
it.
I
read
all
of
it
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
level
of
detail,
because
it
really
kind
of
gave
me
a
sense
for
how
this
process
works
and
I
want
to
thank
the
ship.
I
want
to
thank
the
applicant,
because
this
is
really
a
lovely
addition
to
that
area
and
and
as
commissioner
link
said,
this
is
precisely
what
we
need
there.
I
C
B
B
J
Guy
who
won't
stop
talking
I
just
wanted
to
actually
recognize
Calgary
at
The
Acorn,
who
is
stepping
down
after
19
years.
Thank
you
for
all
your
work
and
welcome
to
Becca
who's
going
to
be
taking
over,
but,
more
importantly,
the
tree
issue.
We
actually
had
on
this
application.
A
tree
that
fell
down
recently
so
be
very,
very
mindful
out
there
of
trees
in
your
neighborhood
again
they
may
look
fine
up
above,
but
the
root
system
may
have
been
degraded
again.
J
Lots
of
different
subsidence
issues
be
very,
very
careful
around
trees,
especially
ones
that
have
problematic
Roots.
If
you
see
an
issue
again,
there's
a
website
for
the
city
to
contact
them
with
regard
to
any
kind
of
those
issues,
maybe
Mr
Kearns.
You
can,
if
you
know
that
information
as
to
what
they
contact,
sorry
to
throw
you
under
the.
E
J
B
Any
other
comments
from
commissioners:
okay,
I
have
a
quick
one.
Commissioner
Ferris
brought
up
something
that
I
think
is,
is
valid
I've
been
here
for
a
little
bit
longer
and
I.
This
is
the
third
project
where
we
have
our
waived:
the
100
square,
foot,
balcony
patio
condition
so
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
something
we
need
to
reevaluate
and
maybe
something
the
staff
could
take
a
look
at
and
see
if
it's
valid
for
the
2000s
2020s
as
it
was
when
it
was
written.
That's
all
that's
my
comment.
Any
other
comments.
D
A
D
G
B
E
Thank
you
chair
tomorrow
night's
city
council
meeting.
There
will
be
two
items
on
the
agenda
from
the
Community
Development
Department.
One
is
a
department
report
on
inclusionary
housing.
The
other
unconsent
item
is
appointment
of
an
Area
Housing
Authority,
commissioner
on
March
14th.
There
will
be
Department
report
regarding
the
progress
on
the
general
plan.
E
March
28th
meeting
may
be
canceled
and
on
April
4
city
council
will
hear
this
item
the
public
hearing
tonight,
as
well
as
an
amendment
to
consider
repeal
of
the
residential
resale
reports.
Coming
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
on
March
13th.
We
will
have
another
recommendation
to
City
Council
on
a
73
unit,
Apartment
project,
it's
a
renovation
of
an
existing
or
Redevelopment
of
a
new
15
site,
which
is
a
commercial
office
building
to
consider
73
apartment
units
and
then
on
April
3rd.