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A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
written
comments,
announcements
or
continuances
at
this
time.
B
A
A
Thank
you
public
comments.
Item
number
five
looks
like
we
have
some
public
comments.
A
Thank
you
all
right
and,
as
I
call
your
name,
mr
kidwai,
you
know
the
routine,
your
name
in
city
of
residence,
nick
kidwai,
please
come
up.
C
I
begin
invoking
the
name
of
god,
the
most
beneficial
most
merciful.
My
name
is
nick
iqbal
kidwai
resident
of
newberry
park
since
1979
and
executive
director
of
concerned
citizens
of
thousand
oaks
since
1991
have
missed
a
lot
of
meetings
recently,
but
believe
it
or
not.
I've
been
watching
them
all
at
home
and
not
too
happy
about
what
I
see.
C
That's.
Why
I'm
here
three
minutes
this
used
to
be
five
minutes,
but
I'll
take
whatever
it
is.
I'm
here
for
one
simple
reason:
I'm
really
sad
to
see
that
no
other
citizen
has
come
forward.
We
are
being
surrounded
by
cities
and
school
districts
that
have
voting
by
district,
but
this
body
has
not
even
touched
about
it,
including
the
city
council.
C
C
If
you
only
have
to
go
to
one-fifth
of
the
electorate,
that's
what
the
electorate
used
to
be
and
that's.
Why
we
had
ed
jones
and
other
people
walking
down
the
homes
and
saying
hello
and
was
flesh
to
flesh
contact,
but
now
with
40
000
homes,
it's
almost
an
impossible
thing.
You
can
do
it,
but
pretty
much
a
whole
year
and
by
the
time.
C
C
C
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
is
it
would
make
it
easy
for
candidates
to
make
it
easy
for
the
residents
to
know
who
their
representative
is.
I
know
there
is
a
little
bit
of
talk
that
well.
If
I
live
in
lange
ranch,
I
will
speak
in
favor
of
lang
ranch
and
against
other
projects
and
stuff.
Like
that,
no
the
city
council
people
are
pretty
fair
and
they
are
basically
going
to
do.
What
is
the
right
thing
and
people
work
with
each
other
and
they're
still
in
charge
of
the
whole
city.
C
So
I
would
really
appreciate
if
you
folks
talk
to
your
bosses
on
tuesday
who
are
the
bosses
on
tuesday
to
put
this
on
the
agenda.
I
I
would
love
to
have
it
done
by
this
council
election
of
2020,
but
if
not
wait,
two
years
down
the
road,
I
have
a
potential
candidate
staring
at
me.
I
think
he
likes
the
the
shorter
version
versus
the
five
at
large.
C
You
see
so
many
interesting
things
that
you
don't
see
in
on
the
camera.
The
camera
just
focused
on
one,
but
here
you
can
look
around
and
if
you
don't
get
in
trouble
with
the
chair,
you
can
comment
a
little
bit,
so
I
will
finish
with
about
a
minute
remaining
that
we
don't
need
to
go
to
court
to
make
changes.
That's
what
has
happened
with
some
of
the
other
people
is
either
they've
gone
to
court
or
have
threatened
litigation
that
they
have
gone
to
the
district-wide
election.
I
really
ask
you
to
do
that.
A
6A
the
consent
calendar
6a
is
the
meeting
the
minutes
of
the
planning
commission
meeting.
Do
I
have
a
motion
or
a
comment.
E
The
land
use
table
in
appendix
a
of
sp20
or
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard
specific
plan
requires
any
requests
for
alcohol
within
400
feet
of
a
residentially
zoned
property
be
considered
by
the
planning
commission.
In
this
case,
the
restaurant
is
approximately
300
feet
from
the
nearest
residential
property.
E
As
mentioned
rest,
the
restaurant
is
located
within
the
oak
plaza
within
thousands
boulevard,
specific
plan
area.
Restaurants
are
approved
with
a
ministerial
process
or
a
building
permit,
as
long
as
the
project
complies
with
the
specific
plan
and
all
other
zoning
and
development
regulations,
including
parking.
In
this
case,
the
approved
restaurant
has
met
all
the
development
standards.
E
E
The
request
will
not
have
a
detrimental
impact
to
the
shopping
center
or
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
since
this
is
an
incidental
use
to
the
proposed
restaurant.
The
serving
of
alcoholic
beverages
in
conjunction
with
food
service
should
not
generate
noise,
parking
or
traffic
impacts
greater
than
those
associated
with
the
approved
commercial
activity.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
mr
bergen.
Thanks
for
your
report,
just
a
quick
question:
did
you
get
any
response
from
any
of
the
homeowners
that
are
within
the
prescribed
area
to
this
application?
No,
and
what
was
the
radius
if
you
know
that
those
notices
were
sent
out
500
feet?
Okay,
thank
you.
Nothing
further.
A
Anybody
else
have
any
questions.
Okay,
thank
you,
and
now
we
ask
for
the
applicant's
representative
to
speak.
You
will
have
15
minutes.
F
Hello,
my
name
is
xena
zerowitz
and
I'm
from
oak
park,
my
husband,
jeremy
and
I
are
the
proud
owners
of
taboo
shabu,
and
we
would
like
to
thank
the
members
of
the
planning
commission
for
hearing
our
case
tonight.
F
F
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know
what
shabu
shabu
is,
it
is
a
japanese,
hot
pot
style
cuisine
where
you
cook
your
own
meat
and
veggies
in
a
broth
in
front
of
you.
It
is
a
delicious,
healthy
and
interactive
experience,
and
such
a
meal
is
best
complimented
with
a
variety
of
teas
imported
soda
and,
ideally,
alcoholic
beverages
imported
from
japanese
distributors.
F
This
dining
concept
does
not
exist
anywhere
within
our
vicinity.
We
are
extremely
grateful
for
this
opportunity
to
present
our
restaurant
and
concept
before
you
for
a
chance
to
receive
an
alcohol
permit.
We
reviewed
the
draft
conditions
and
will
commit
ourselves
to
take
every
precaution
necessary
to
ensure
compliance.
In
closing.
We
believe
taboo.
Shabbo
is
a
truly
geographically
unique
concept
that
will
serve
the
local
community
and
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
ensure
that
we
are
responsible
permit
holders.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
opportunity
for
this
opportunity
and
your
careful
consideration.
F
A
Okay,
then
you
can
sit
down
now
we
go
to
public
comments.
I
don't
have
any
public
comments.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
A
A
Okay,
in
that
case,
do
we
want
to
have
a
motion
or
I'll.
A
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
and
would
you
like
to
introduce,
I.
H
H
I
Chair
we,
we
do
have
a
statement
from
commissioner
cohan
really
quick.
I
apologize
mr
kearns.
H
Thank
you,
mr
kearns.
Before
the
presentation
goes
on,
I
like
to
recuse
myself
from
today's
hearing.
E
E
H
You,
commissioner,
cohen,
get
back
to
the
previous
project.
There
was
no
tobacco,
vape
or
alcohol
in
this
iteration.
There
is
vape
no
vape
or
alcohol
products,
but
there
is
tobacco
that
the
lot
size
was
demonstrated
as
19
943
square
feet,
which
was
a
waiver
at
that
time
because
of
the
service
station
criteria
requiring
20
000
square
foot
minimum.
H
The
applicant
has
had
the
lot
size
calculated
by
a
licensed
engineer
and
certified
as
being
twenty
thousand
forty
three
square
feet.
So
it's
no
longer
waiver
on
the
previous
project,
the
applicant
mailed
notices
to
property
owners
within
300
feet
and
for
this
project
the
community
outreach
was
melt
through
those
within
500
feet.
H
H
H
A
To
the
south,
mr
brannigan,
can
you
hold
on?
We
can
hear
you
over
there
and
it's
very
distracting.
H
I
understand
we've
heard
this
not
too
long
ago,
but
I'll
go
over
the
background
for
those
as
a
refresher
and
for
those
in
the
audience
the
property
is
zone
c,
one
which
is
a
neighborhood
commercial
shopping
center.
It's
a
designation,
the
site
was
a
former
service
station
which
was
approved
in
1968,
began
construction
in
1970,
and
then
the
building
was
actually
demolished
in
2005..
H
H
H
H
H
H
J
Hey
thank
you,
mr
kearns
and
good
evening,
so,
based
on
testimony
testimony
presented
at
the
april
1st
planning
commission
meeting
and
after
careful
review
of
the
city,
county
state
and
national
best
engineering
practices,
staff
is
recommending
the
driveway
and
florist
be
designed
for
right
in
right
out
with
the
channelizing
island.
The
driveway
would
be
signed
for
no
left
turns
in
for
westbound
traffic.
J
That's
okay!
Well
we're
missing
one
slide,
so
I'll
just
continue.
The
property
is
unique.
It
is
bounded
by
three
public
streets,
more
park,
florist
and
jasmine.
No
other
service
station
in
the
city
is
bounded
by
three
public
streets.
The
90-foot
frontage
is
very
short
city
driveway.
Spacing
standards
require
driveways
to
be
installed,
no
closer
than
150
feet
from
another
driveway
best
engineering
practices
recommend
commercial
driveways,
be
located
no
closer
than
100
feet
from
an
intersection.
J
J
J
Yeah
there
you
go:
okay,
students
walk
to
school
from
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
and
many
students
are
dropped
off
on
kelly,
jasmine
and
walk
the
block
to
school.
This
picture
was
taken
last
week
summer
school
is
in
session,
so
the
pedestrian
traffic
was
very
low.
During
the
school
year
between
250
and
300,
students
walk
through
the
intersection.
Each
day
this
number
will
increase
if
there's
a
7-eleven
on
the
corner.
J
The
purpose
of
this
slide
is
to
illustrate
how,
with
the
installation
of
the
monument
sign,
it
will
block
the
view
of
vehicles.
Turning
from
more
park
road
for
state
law,
gas
gasoline
stations
must
clearly
advertise
the
price
of
gasoline,
and
if
the
station
is
located
at
an
intersection,
the
advertising
must
be
clearly
visible
from
each
street
of
the
intersection.
Basically,
this
means
that
the
applicant
will
be
permitted
to
install
a
sign
at
the
southeast
corner,
which
in
turn
will
impede
sight
distance
at
the
proposed
driveway
in
floris.
J
The
next
several
slides
demonstrate
the
six
points
of
conflict.
A
driver
would
need
to
negotiate
prior
to
making
a
left
turn
from
the
driveway
before
a
car
can
make
a
left
turn
out
of
the
driveway
to
turn
into
either
the
left
turn
lane
or
travel
into
the
through
or
right
turn
lanes.
There
can
be
no
more
than
three
cars
in
the
left,
turn
pocket
or
the
path
of
travel
will
be
blocked.
J
J
The
fifth
is
the
eastbound
through
on
flores
and
the
six
is
the
northbound
right
turn
which
again,
in
addition
to
this
conflict,
there
will
be
limited
sight
distance
due
to
the
monument
sign
located
on
the
corner
when
a
vehicle
is
waiting
for
all
six
points
of
conflict
to
clear
and
the
left
turn
pocket
to
reduce
to
less
than
three
cars
traffic
congestion
will
occur
within
the
property.
This
traffic
congestion
will
be
in
conflict
with
a
high
number
of
high
school
students
walking
in
the
parking
lot.
J
J
The
advantage
of
a
write-in
write-out
driveway
include
the
reduction
in
the
number
of
conflict
points.
If
there
are
any
collisions,
they
will
be
less
severe.
It
reduces
pedestrian
conflicts,
both
on-site
and
at
the
driveway,
and
reduces
the
wait
time
which
reduces
the
amount
of
stress
the
drivers
are
experiencing,
which
leads
to
better
driver
behavior.
J
There
are
29
service
stations
in
the
city
and
about
half
have
restrictions
at
all
other
driveways.
None
of
the
29
service
stations
have
front
three
public
streets
is
adjacent
to
a
bus,
stop
and
located
across
from
a
high
school,
which
is
why
staff
is
recommending
the
driveway
and
floors
be
designed
as
a
ride
and
ride
out
driveway.
H
Thank
you,
ms
naum,
back
to
the
project
details
themselves.
The
project
from
the
april
1st
iteration
is
the
same.
The
proposed
canopy
trellis
is
17
feet,
tall
flat,
roof
metal,
metal,
canopy,
the
overall
height
the
highest
point
of
the
convenience
store
is
29
feet
with
the
balance
of
the
building
being
at
19
feet.
H
H
These
are
the
renderings
the
applicant
has
submitted.
This
is
looking
southwest
southeasterly
through
the
site.
As
you
see
the
landscaping
the
front,
the
proposed
trellis
canopy
and
the
pump
stations,
the
front
of
the
convenience
store
with
the
decorative
stone
materials
and
in
the
back
portion
of
the
property
is
a
privacy
wall
along
the
county.
Jasmine
property
line.
H
A
perspective
looking
southwest
of
the
site
from
the
intersection
of
jasmine
and
avenue
des
flores,
you
can
see
the
trellis
cover
the
pump
islands,
the
privacy
wall
here
on
the
east
portion
of
the
property,
the
front
of
the
convenience
store
and,
as
demonstrated
in
the
next
slide,
there'll
be
trees.
Added
according
to
the
plan
in
this
location,
along
kai,
jasmine.
H
H
In
this
case,
the
surrounding
properties
to
the
north
is
a
commercial
shopping
center
to
the
northeast
and
east
are
single
family
homes
immediately
adjacent
to
the
to
the
south?
Is
medical
office
building
and
then
the
west
across
more
park
road
are
more
single-family
homes
and
then
to
the
northwest?
Is
the
thousand
oaks
high
school.
H
In
reviewing
service
station
requests,
we
use
the
service
station
design
criteria
used
to
implement
the
1000x
municipal
code.
This
was
first
established
in
1967.
H
The
municipal
code
requires
that
the
buildings
should
be
set
back
at
least
100
feet
from
the
center
line
of
all
streets.
In
this
case,
there
are
three
street
frontages
on
moorpark
road
avenue
does
flores
and
kai
jasmine.
The
kai
jasmine
street
setback
is
40
feet
in
the
center
line,
but
it
does
meet
all
the
setbacks
and
development
standards.
H
H
In
this
case,
residential
zones
do
not
allow
for
standing
seam
metal,
roofs,
the
only
roofing
material
that's
allowed,
both
in
the
commercial
zones
and
in
residential
zones.
It's
a
concrete
slate
or
the
s
tiles,
and
that
is
what
staff
is
recommending
in
this
instance,
all
the
c1
zones
there
have
not
introduced
any
metal
roofing.
At
this
point.
H
The
compatibility
surrounding
uses
the
project
is
about
70
feet
from
residential
area,
which
is
a
conservative
staff
that,
because
the
21
hour
user
creates
no
create
noise.
That's
not
typical
for
the
area
and
as
mentioned
the
building
and
materials
are
inconsistent
with
the
architecture
in
the
area.
H
I
just
remind
the
planning,
commission
and
those
in
the
audience
that
the
property
at
2220
north
moore
park
road
across
the
street
from
the
subject
site
used
to
be
a
drive-through
dairy.
It
was
called
chia,
capuci's
dairy
it
had
a
history
of
students,
congregating
the
site
and
creating
issues
with
trash
and
nuisance,
to
customers
and
to
the
neighborhoods
adjacent
to
it.
H
H
Since
this
application
was
filed,
the
applicant
has
created
has
conducted
additional
community
outreach.
They
scheduled
a
meeting
on
july
june
28
2019.
H
However,
the
fire
provided
an
incorrect
meeting
address
on
tuesday
july
2nd
this
year.
The
applicant
conducted
a
makeup
meeting
and
the
applicant
stated
new
notices
were
provided
to
residents
within
500
of
the
project
it
was
conducted
at
the
community
center
and
the
app
can
say
that
seven
people
attended
that
meeting.
H
Through
this
application,
this
this
slide
says
12
receipt.
We
did
receive
one
additional
email
which
was
provided
to
the
I
believe
was
provided
to
the
commission
before
the
meeting
started,
so
it's
13
received
and
nine
against
the
project
and
four
in
favor,
one
of
those
letters
in
favor
were
signed
by
three
individuals,
one
being
a
student.
H
H
So,
in
approving
a
special
use
permit,
the
planning
commission
must
make
all
of
the
following
findings
listed
here,
that
the
project
is
consistent
with
thousands
general
plan
which
it
is.
The
project
has
been
evaluated
in
performance
of
the
provisions
of
seqa,
which
we
found
is
exempt.
However,
the
staff
has
determined
the
project
does
not
comply
with
all
political
laws,
regulations
and
policies.
H
H
H
However,
the
planning
commission
likes
to
approve
the
request.
The
planning
commission
will
have
to
make
findings
in
doing
so,
and
they
will
need
to
adopt
or
and
or
modify,
the
conditions
recommended
as
staff.
In
attachment
4b
of
your
report,
the
applicant
has
had
an
opportunity
to
read
this
suggested
resolution
and
an
applicant
does
not
agree
with
three
conditions:
explicitly
the
number
18
the
hours
of
operation
number
30,
the
roofing
materials
and
number
108,
which
is
the
right
and
right
out
only
driveway
on
avenue
des
flores.
G
I'd
like
to
start
by
clarifying
some
terminology,
just
so
we're
all
working
from
the
same
set
of
facts
during
this
hearing
in
our
previous
hearing
in
newspaper
reports
in
letters
we've
received
from
the
applicant
they've
all
contained
the
term
by
right
and
generally
in
planning.
There's
a
term
of
art
is
used
by
wright
and
number
one.
Let's
just
start
with
the
term,
I
correct
an
understanding
that
it
means
property
owner
has
the
right
to
do
whatever
they
like
with
their
property,
as
long
as
it
meets
all
applicable.
H
Generally,
the
the
gist
of
it
yeah,
the
by
right
uses,
are
allow
all
users
prescribed
the
municipal
code
under
an
approved
development
permit.
So
you
have
to
have
an
entitlement
on
the
land
before
you
can
have
those
by
right
uses.
G
H
Any
building
construction
on
the
site
is
going
to
require
consideration
by
this
body
because
of
the
setback
waiver.
It's
practically
infeasible
to
develop
anything
on
the
side
because
of
the
it's
bound
by
three
streets,
essential
on
a
peninsula.
So
it
has
you're
going
to
take
a
setback
waiver
from
one
of
those
one
of
the
streets.
H
It
would
come
before
the
commission.
I
believe
the
the
use
itself
with
an
approved
development
permit
is
by
write
the
use.
The
development
is
sure
it
needs
to
be
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission,
for
conformance
with
the
applicable
laws.
G
G
I
believe
this
is
regarding
hours
of
operation
for
the
strip
mall,
that's
across
the
street
you've
given
hours
in
this
report
that
are
quite
a
bit
shorter
than
what's
requested
tonight.
G
The
the
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
the
one
store
the
domino's
pizza
store
there
that
has
out
one
the
hours
of
operation
are
longer
than
the
other
stores
there
later
later
at
night.
Is
that
is
that
accurate.
H
G
H
That's
that's
what
we
were
informed
as
well,
that
they
do
shut
down
a
little
bit
earlier
than
the
hours
that
are
allowed,
what
the
entitlement
permits
is
hours
of
operation
and
then
the
operator
chooses
to
work
within
those
hours
either
all
the
way
sure.
G
To
the
yeah,
but
our
understanding
it
sounds
like
is
the
same
that
the
very
latest
hour
of
operation
in
that
strip
mall,
is
1am
for
restricted
use,
which
is
which
is
take
out
our
delivery
only
of
pizza
and
then
all
the
other
shops
in
that
strip
mall
closed
quite
a
bit
earlier,
even
on
friday
and
saturday
nights
is.
That
is
that
also
that's.
H
G
G
It's
true
that
staff's
report
on
april
1st
said
there
would
be
no
tobacco
sales,
but
it's
also
true
that
the
applicant
would
not
commit
to
no
tobacco
sales
at
the
april
1st
hearing.
So
this
is
this
is
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question,
but
I'm
not
really
sure
that's
a
change,
because
the
the
applicant
was
not
representing
that
there
would
be
no
tobacco
sales
previously
and
again
tonight
is
making
the
same
representation
that
the
applicant
would
like
to
sell
cigarettes.
H
Yeah,
not
a
change
from
the
meeting,
a
change
from
the
staff
report
itself.
The
staff
report
did
indicate
that
there
would
be
no
tobacco
cells.
We
received
a
letter
prior
to
the
april
1st
meeting
from
the
applicant's
council
that
stated
they
did
want
to
sell
of
tobacco
products,
so
staff
is
not
recommending
prohibiting
tobacco.
In
this
case,
if
client
commission
decides
to
approve
the
project.
J
So
to
answer
over
how
many
cars
make
a
u-turn
right
now?
Yes,
there
would
be
an
anticipated
increase,
because
right
now,
there's
probably
very
very
few
making
that
u-turn
has
like
the
with
the
left
out.
There's
six
conflict
points
as
well,
as
you
have
to
find
a
place
to
make
your
left
into
to
make
a
u-turn.
You
only
have
the
one
conflict
point
is
the
vehicle
coming
towards
you?
J
Realistically,
you
could
be
looking
left
on
kelly
jasmine
to
make
sure
that
they
aren't
coming
up,
but
they
have
a
stop
control,
so
they
can't
turn
out.
So
there's
substantially
less
conflict
points
and
you
can't
you
can
only
make
a
as
you
turn
when
it's
safe
to
make
a
u-turn.
So
the
answer
is
yes,
there
will
be.
U-Turns
will
be
more
than
right
now,
but
it's
not.
We
see
that
it's
a
better
alternative
than
the
lapse
out.
G
J
In
my
my
presentation,
what
what
becomes
you
know
without
the
word
safer
that
the
by
making
it
right
out
there's
less
severe
accidents
making
left
out?
You
have
broadside
accidents,
you're
t-boned,
where,
if
you
make
the
right
out,
you
get
rear-end
accidents
and
those
are
documented
as
as
not
as
severe
as
the
left
out
accidents.
G
G
G
G
H
Yeah,
that
is
correct.
Excuse
me,
the
service
station
guidelines
acknowledge
that
service
stations
are
generally
going
to
be
incompatible
in
some
component
with
the
residential
areas
around
it,
but
it
does
refer
back
to
the
architectural
design
guidelines
more
practical
and
feasible
incorporate
design
components
that
are
consistent
with
the
area.
In
this
case
pitch
roofs
are
generally
typical
of
the
residential
area
and
the
commercial
shopping
centers
on
both
sides.
So
staff
is
just
recommending
that
it
matches
that
that
feature.
G
G
The
second
paragraph
goes
into
a
number
of
downsides
from
a
service
station
adverse
uses.
My
question
here
is:
are
there
other
uses
for
commercial?
Are
there
other
commercial
uses
for
this
space,
a
medical
building
or
some
something?
Is
there
some
other
use
for
this
building
where
the
city
would
not
have
proximity
concerns,
because
I
realize
we
are
close
to
a
residential
neighborhood
here.
H
Yeah
generally
office
uses
are
more
passive
just
by
nature
of
the
operation,
and
a
medical
office
building
was
approved
just
immediately
adjacent
to
the
south,
and
there
was
no
concern
with
that.
H
Not
not
in
that
case
no,
in
that
case
they
did
in
review
of
the
project
they
pushed
the
building
back
away
from
kai
jasmine
so
that
they
set
back
reductions
on
the
moorpark
road.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
few
questions,
mr
commissioner.
Newman
actually
went
through
most
of
the
issues
that
I
was
focusing
on
two
things.
Initially,
the
applicant
in
the
documentation
and
commissioner
newman
referenced
a
alternative
potential
concept
for
this
property.
I
want
to
make
sure
the
staff
has
not
reviewed
any
other
designs
or
plans.
Aside
from
the
one
that's
here
tonight
in
terms
you
haven't
looked
at
the
alternative
ideas
right.
H
D
Second
of
all,
the
staff
recommended
to
the
extent
we
go
forward
with
this,
to
allow
operations
of
nine
o'clock
for
the
convenience
store
and
then
eleven
o'clock
for
the
gas
station
I
just
wanna
watch
is
that
just
so
we
create
a
nine
o'clock
deadline
because
that's
what
the
other
mall
is
doing,
or
why?
Why
nine
o'clock
specifically.
H
D
H
K
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
mr
kearns.
I've
got
a
couple
questions
one
following
up
on
mr
newman's
question
about
proximity
to
residential
homes.
Is
there
anything
in
our
municipal
code
regarding
gas
stations
and
distance?
As
we
heard
in
the
previous
application,
we
do
have
a
provision
about
alcohol
and
distance
to
residential.
I
was
just
curious
if
we
have
anything
for
that.
H
K
Okay
and
our
gas
station
rules
were
updated
last
1972
correct.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
so
may
not
have
been
a
big
priority.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
about
this
through
the
town,
jacka
poozie's
dairy.
When
what
year
did
that
close.
K
H
Their
their
permit
was
issued
in
1969
for
construction.
They
began
construction
in
70.,
1969.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Now
we
have
the
opportunity
for
the
representative
of
the
applicant
to
speak.
You'll
have
15
minutes.
Can
you
please
come
to
the
podium
and
state
your
name
and
city
of
residence
for
the
record.
M
Good
evening,
honorable
planning
commission
we're
thankful
to
be
in
front
of
you,
the
members
of
thousand
oaks
planning
commission.
Before
I
start
my
prepared
remarks,
I
just
want
to
qualify
kind
of
something
I
noticed
as
steve
was
giving
his
analysis,
which
is
we
today
are
applying
for
an
sup
for
a
gas
station.
M
I
present
gas
stations
in
other
cities
and
we
hear
gas,
specific
questions
and
issues
and
considerations
such
as
you
know,
will
there
be
pedestrians
crossing
the
gas
station?
Is
there
a
likelihood
that
they
could
become
injured
or
hit?
Are
there
adverse
smells
from
a
gas
station?
Is
that
then,
too
close
to
you
know
other
sensitive
uses,
but
literally
nothing
in
this
entire
process
has
actually
involved
the
analysis
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
which
is
whether
an
sup
for
gas
sales
is
or
is
not
appropriate
for
this
location.
M
So
I
just
want
you
know,
planning,
commission
to
understand
the
domain
and
the
scope
of
this
hearing.
I
mean
that
at
its
core
is
it-
and
I
know
this
sup
and
this
discretionary
permit-
that
we're
applying
for
does
give
you
liberties.
It
gives
you
ways
that
you
can
impose
other
things,
but
to
me-
and
you
know
perhaps
I'm
a
frustrated
applicant,
but
it
seems
like
we're
using
the
gas
station
as
a
way
to
extract
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
that
otherwise
wouldn't
be
considered.
M
You
know,
and
I
know
we
had
a
conversation,
a
long
one
about
tobacco.
I
know
I
sent
you
guys
articles
about
you
know
my
hometown
of
beverly
hills,
prohibition,
city-wide
of
tobacco,
for
the
record,
I'm
supportive
of
their
action.
I
think
they
were
trailblazing.
I
think
we
ought
to
all
be
doing
that,
but,
as
it
pertains
to
last
planning
commission,
I
think
it's
not
a
planning
commission
item.
It's
a
city
hall
city
council
agenda
item.
M
M
You
know
and
parameter
that
I
think
we
all
should
understand
and
honor
to
a
certain
extent-
and
I
think
also
you
know
as
it
pertains
to
what
steve
was
commenting
on
with
the
hours
of
operations
across
the
street
at
that
strip
center,
that
strip
center
applied
for
a
variance.
It
was
a
different
use
and
they
wanted
to
become
a
commercial
use
as
part
of
that
application.
M
They
applied
for
a
variance
as
part
of
that
variance.
Government
bodies
said:
okay.
If
you
want
this,
we're
gonna
impose
these
hours
of
operation
till
nine
o'clock
at
night,
our
properties
across
the
street.
We
don't
need
a
variance,
we're
not
going
from
one
zone
to
another
zone,
so
it's
a
quagmire
and
completely.
You
know
illogical
than
to
use
a
variance
time
frame
that
was
imposed
by
that
specific
on
that
specific
lot,
as
some
justification
to
control
our
hours.
So
I
just
think
you
know
in
the
context
of
what
we're
about
to
talk
about.
M
You
know
this
gentleman
owns
a
piece
of
commercial
property.
Commercial
property
has
value.
You
know,
I
understand
the
residences,
and
you
know
they
are
here
in
full
effect
and
practicing
their.
You
know
democratic
right
to
speak
about
it,
but
you
know
he
has
rights
too,
that
commercial
property
is
valuable
as
well,
and
that
was
a
gas
station
and
it
was
remediated
for
10
years
and
at
the
core
of
this
conversation,
we're
just
trying
to
re-erect
it
and
the
only
reason
we're
trying
to
re-erect.
M
It
was
because
three
other
developments
were
met
with
the
same
vitriol
by
the
residences,
which
was
a
two-story
office,
complex,
which
steve
said
he
would
prefer
to
see,
except
for
the
fact
that
he
didn't
go
to
the
public
community
meeting.
We
hosted
that
had
72
public
speakers
voicing
their
vitriol
for
that
proposal,
because
it
would
cast
shadows
over
the
neighborhood
and
it
would
cause
already
a
glut
of
street
parking
that
our
neighbor
to
the
south
employees,
patients
and
everybody
else
we're
parking
at.
So
we
tried
that
already.
We
also
tried
a
starbucks
development.
M
M
Nearly
two
years
ago,
on
october
11
2018,
we
hosted
a
group
of
17
community
members
at
stantec's
offices.
At
this
meeting
we
heard
opinions
about
alternative
uses,
including
suggestions
of
a
community
park,
urgent
care
center
or
a
general
office
project.
I
explained,
then,
that
a
24-hour
urgent
care
chain
was
in
fact
interested
in
the
site,
but
neighbors
were
justifiably
opposed
to
sirens
blaring,
both
in
the
night
and
the
evening
24
hours.
M
The
consensus
is
that
the
high
school
and
residents
alike
would
be
thrilled
to
have
a
convenience
store
to
purchase
grocery
items
at
this
location
thousand
oaks,
high
school
students,
faculty
coaches
and
leadership,
all
of
which
I've
met
with
have
been
the
most
enthusiastic
about
our
project.
Former
students
fondly
remember
crossing
the
street
to
the
mobile
gas
station,
while
envious
current
students
admonish
the
mile
trek
they
have
to
take
currently
down
moorpark
to
get
a
sandwich,
a
refreshment
or
a
snack.
M
Our
development
team
has
exhaustingly
sought
to
accommodate
these
immediate
neighbors,
their
fears
primarily
and
fairly
revolve
around
safety
and
minimizing
nuisance.
We've
addressed
these
in
many
ways.
One
we
added
the
gas
station
use,
which
is
only
reason
we're
here
by
the
way
and
pursuing
the
sup.
We
added
the
gas
station
use
specifically
not
because
711
wanted
it,
because
it's
a
declining,
secular
business
with
razor
tough
margins
but
because
principal
lichtel
was
concerned
with
the
hangout
situation
he
was
concerned.
M
If
we
just
put
a
7-11
convenience
store
and
a
bunch
of
parking
kids
would
congregate,
it
would
become
a
drop-off
drop-on
spot
and
be
a
disaster.
So
my
audible
to
principal
lichtol
was,
let's
add
a
gas
station.
No
kids
are
going
to
want
to
hang
out
at
a
gas
station
so
ironically,
the
only
reason
we're
in
front
of
you
today
is
to
put
a
gas
station,
which
we
had
no
intention
of
originally
putting
number
two.
M
We
allocated
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
our
security
infrastructure
build
out
this
industry
leading
package
includes
nearly
30
cameras,
which
will
be
fed
real
time
into
both
7-eleven
regional
command,
center
and
thousand
oaks
police
department
via
closed
circuit,
private
network,
together
with
bright
down
lighting,
focused
music,
speaker
technology
technology,
prickly
landscaping
and
site
layout
measures,
loitering
and
homeless
risk
will
be
minimized.
More
than
any
other
retail
land
use.
M
Four,
we
agreed
not
to
sell
vape
at
the
insistence
of
principal
lichtel
and
dr
bergman
of
thousand
oaks
high
school,
because
also
the
neighbors
feared
kids
illegally,
buying
them
and
hanging
out
on
site
walking
through
the
neighborhood
vaping,
totally
understandable.
We
made
the
change
five.
We
agreed
not
to
open
24
hours
and
7-eleven
is
a
24-hour
brand.
That's
their
identity
to
get
them
from
24
hours
down
to
21.
Well,
it
sounds
like
you
know.
M
Steve
alluded
to
might
not
be
sufficient,
was
a
coup
of
grandiose
proportions
and
needed
to
escalate
to
the
ceo
of
north
america.
So
we
have
really
tried
our
darndest
to
get
this
right
on
this
last
concession
too.
I
also
want
to
warn
you
as
it
pertains
to
the
hours
of
operations
we
have
built
and
operate
a
lot
of
these
stores,
and
what
you
will
see
in
the
chain
is
the
stores
that
close
are
a
bigger
problem
for
loitering,
homeless
and
other
crime
because
they're
closed.
M
Unfortunately,
those
wanting
to
do
harm
or
perpetrate
crimes
know
that
a
7-eleven
will
close
and
that
becomes
a
meet-up
spot,
a
deal
point
and
it
becomes
troublesome,
so
I
say
tread
lightly.
I
mean
I
had
advocated
for
24
hours
for
safety
because
I
meant
it,
but
21
hours
leaves
still
three
hours
for
you
know,
problems
to
arise,
and
you
know
like
the
7-eleven
adage-
goes.
M
Numerous
neighbors
have
warned
us
that
the
street
racers
take
over
avenida
de
los
arbilis
during
our
proposed
closed
hours,
which
would
make
things
worse.
Our
concern
is
that
our
parking
lot
becomes
a
meeting
place
at
the
starting
gate
for
those
races.
Obviously,
if
7-eleven
is
open,
this
doesn't
become
the
case
better.
Yet
if
7-eleven
remained
open,
they
could
call
in
the
races
to
the
thousand
oaks
pd
and
actually
thousand
oaks.
Pd
will
see
on
the
cameras
that
they're
happening
anyway.
M
Well,
we
think
our
project
benefits
and
compromise
warrant
approval
themselves.
We
do
want
to
share
the
pragmatic
approach
to
the
buy
right
concept.
I
don't
want
to
have
a
legal
debate
with
the
planning
commission,
but
I've
read
the
code
very
specifically
and
if
we
just
apply
for
a
2200
square
foot
box
retail
box,
that
is
a
buy
right
box.
M
What
we
do
with
it
at
that
point
almost
is
our
choice
and
the
code
doesn't
have
any
limitations
on
hours
of
operation
planning.
Commission
absolutely
we'll
have
to
hear
it,
because
we
would
need
a
waiver
from
our
setback,
just
like
everybody
else
on
that
block,
because
the
waiver
distance
is
literally
longer
and
wider
than
our
lot
dimension,
but
other
than
that
I
mean
we
could
just
assume
go,
buy
right!
M
M
A
M
In
any
case,
I
think
the
I
think
you
know
the
pictures,
whether
you
know
whether
that
is
restricted
some
way
and
the
staff
cleverly
figures
out
a
way
to
handicap
the
buy
right
version
of
it.
All
I
can
say
is
it
will
look
very
close
to
that
ugly
stucco
box,
because
it
has
two
million
dollars
less
of
construction
budget
money
versus
this,
which
is
a
beautiful.
M
A
Thank
you
do
we
have
hold
on
just
a
moment.
We
may
have
some
questions,
commissioner,
good
evening,
mr.
G
Mcdonald
amy
may
9th,
you
sent
the
commission
all
commissioners
a
letter,
and
it
says
in
part
there's
some
material
about
the
finances
or
the
financial
aspect
of
this
application.
G
G
It
says
that
proactively
restricting
beer
and
wine
sales
voluntarily
foregoes
21
to
23
of
projected
sales,
and
then
you
go
on
to
say:
should
we
and
I'm
quoting
now,
should
we
be
forced
to
lose
tobacco
sales?
7-Eleven
would
not
be
able
to
justify
the
loss
of
50
percent
of
projected
annual
revenue?
G
M
Excuse
me,
commissioner,
I
meant
that
to
be
confidential
and
I
was
just
sending
that
to
you
and
honestly
that
that
that's
a
that's
it
and
I
sent
it
saying
it
would
be
confidential.
So
I
can't
talk
about
that
and
that's
trade
secrets
and
we
don't
disclose
sales.
I
was
sending
that
to
you
directly,
so
you
understood
the
magnitude
I
want.
G
You
to
understand,
I
was
at
two
things
number
one
I
was
asking
yes
or
no
question,
but
number
two,
more
importantly,
as
a
matter
of
process.
It's
very
important.
You
understand
this.
This
is
a
public
hearing,
anything
that
you
send
to
this
commission
through
channels,
which
is
how
you
should
do.
It
is
a
matter
of
public
record.
G
M
So
I
would
appreciate
if
that
would
say
confidential,
because
I
would
be
breaking
rules
with
my
client.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Okay,
but,
commissioner,
I
think
the
the
answer
is:
when
people
fuel
up
the
two
biggest
segments
and
the
two
biggest
products
they
buy
are
tobacco
and
alcohol,
that's
just
a
function
of
gas
sales
right,
it's
a
convenience
item.
They
pull
up
and
a
lot
of
times
they
buy
cigarettes
and
they
buy
gasoline.
So,
yes,
is
it.
M
G
You
also
stated
in
your
testimony
just
now
that
one
advantage
of
24-hour
operation
would
be
safety
and
that,
if
there
were
an
incident
staff,
if
they
were
on
site,
would
be
able
to
communicate
more
quickly
with
police,
which
is
certainly
the
case,
and
that
cameras
that
are
wired
in,
I
guess
somehow
to
the
police
department,
would
would
pick
up
on
activity.
M
D
Thank
you,
mr
mcdowell,
for
being
here
and
being
part
of
this
process,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
looking
to
invest
in
thousand
oaks
notwithstanding.
I
know
a
lot
of
stress
that
you're
going
through
thanks
with
that
said,
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
questions
and
and
things
one
of
which
I
want
to
kind
of
understand.
Just
the
35
000
square
foot
or
35
000
square
foot
issue.
Sure
who
owns
the
property.
I
M
No
because
it
will
be
a
future
franchisee,
we
there's
strict
guidelines,
there's
interviews,
there's
performance
metrics,
they
make
sure
they
are
studying
each
potential
franchisee
very
carefully.
It
actually
should
be
noted
that
7-eleven
franchisees
are
so
good
that
we
pulled
the
records
and
we
can
going
back
as
many
years
as
we
could.
If
all
5000
oaks
stores
there
has
not
been
one
violation
that
we
can
find
for
any
over
or
violation
of
karting.
Not
one
and
officer
alvarez
also
ran
a
search
and
he
couldn't
find
one
either.
D
Okay-
and
that
brings
me
to
another
thing-
you
make
a
lot
of
statements
and
reference
to
information.
Sure
what
you
just
said
like
and
I'll
start
specifically
with
7-eleven
operations.
Is
there
any
documentation
you
submitted
to
the
city
as
to
how
7-11
requires
their
franchisees
to
operate.
D
M
So,
commissioner,
they
go
through
a
very
strict.
You
know
selection
process.
There
is
a
7-eleven
university
of
sorts
where
it
trains
all
the
franchisees
there's
a
heavy
investment
in
employee
education.
These
stores
are
run
like
very
tight
and,
like
I
said,
the
proof
is,
there
hasn't
been
one
under
21
violation
in
all
of
thousand
oaks,
for
as
long
as
the
pd
has
records,
and
as
long
as
7-eleven
does
so.
D
So
in
my
off
time
I'm
a
lawyer
and
which
I
believe
you
are
as
well
right
so
right,
yeah
of
what
you
used
to
be
a
lawyer.
I
think
you're
an
actor
yes.
So
there
is
an
actual
case
pending
against
7-eleven
by
franchisees
for
being
misdesignated
as
independent
contractors
versus
franchisee.
Are
you
aware
of
that?
I
wasn't
so
again,
there's
a
huge,
actual
class-action
lawsuit
by
franchisees
against
7-eleven,
because
of
the
fact
of
what
their
business
training
and
acumen
and
stuff.
D
I
I
can
finish
just
asking
again,
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
want
to
speak.
I
just
want
to
get
some
some,
like
just
general
concepts
you.
You
also
mentioned
a
new
law
that
was
passed.
That
actually
makes
smoking
raised
the
age
from
18
to
21.,
where
you
are
the
fact
that
they
also
took
away
all
criminal
penalties
against
the
miners
to
the
extent
they
have
illegal
tobacco
products.
M
N
M
The
commissioner
that
we
could
build
that
that
c1
is
allowed
to
operate
a
market
right.
The
only
thing
that
we
aren't
allowed
to
without
your
approval
is
the
gas
component.
That's
the
whole
point,
that's
why
I
made
a
designation
and
a
decision
distinction
between
buy
right
and
what
we're
applying
for.
We
could
legally
put
a
convenience
store
that
sells
cigarettes
and
sells
vapes
on
that
property.
M
That
says
that
is
our
best
guess
of
what
it
will
look
like
if
we
don't
get
the
gas
station
right.
The
gas
station
gives
us
an
additional
two
million
dollars
of
construction
money.
It
affords
it
to
look
as
beautiful
and
as
grass
glamorous
as
it
does
for
a
gas
station,
and
that
is
your
unfortunately
brass
tax,
normal
looking
711.
I
Sure
for
me-
and
I
excuse
me,
commissioners,
if
I
may-
just
because
it
seems
like
we're
getting
a
little
bit
off
topic
with
or
it
could
be
possible.
We
get
a
lot
off
topic
with
this
by
right
kind
of
discussion,
and
I
understand
mr
newman
brought
it
up.
Initially.
I
He
was,
I
think,
very
careful
how
he
asked
his
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
for
the
record
that
we
that
it's
very
clear
that
tonight
what
we
have
before
you
is
the
application
that
staff
received.
I
We've
only
had
two
we
haven't
had
any
of
these
prior
conversations,
applications
about
a
two-story
office
or
some
other
type
of
of
use.
The
first
applications
the
city
received.
The
official
application
was
the
one
that
you
heard
a
few
months
ago.
It
was
for
the
gas
station
service
station
plus
the
convenience
store.
I
Yes,
this
property
requires
a
number
of
waivers
due
to
the
project,
but
we
were
reviewing
and
have
been
reviewing
the
project
that
was
submitted
to
us
very
important,
the
second
application
we
received
this
application
tonight
and,
as
you've
obviously
seen
and
noted,
there's
minor
changes
one
of
the
changes
it
has
to
do
with
the
hours
of
operation,
but
for
the
most
part
it's
been
the
same.
We
had
a
question
last
time
about
the
size
of
this
of
the
lot.
Mr
kearns
expressly
cleared
that
up
as
far
as
smoking.
I
Let
me
just
be
very
clear
about
the
smoking
issue.
My
recommendation,
if
you
were
to
approve
this
project,
would
not
to
in
any
way
put
an
addition
additional
condition
to
ban
the
cell
of
smoking
at
this
time,
as
we
discussed
it
briefly,
we'd
have
to
make
a
a
very
specific
finding
to
do
that.
The
city
currently
does
not
have
an
ordinance
to
ban
the
sale
of
tobacco
in
the
city
like
beverly
hills
does
so
again,
we've
been
talking
about
those
two
things
smoking
a
lot
and
this
by
right
issue
for
the
record.
I
We
have
the
project
in
front
of
us,
which
includes
a
gas
station
and
a
7-eleven.
That's
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
tonight.
That's
what
you
are
considering
tonight.
I
I
certainly
appreciate
the
comments
about
buy
right
and
his
comments.
He
can
make
the
comments
if
he
wants
to
about
the
buy
right,
but
tonight
we
have
this
specific
thing
we
haven't
received
any
other
application.
We
have
nothing
to
review.
I
We
have
nothing
to
analyze.
We
don't
have
any
711
information
for
the
franchisee.
We
do
not
have
that
information,
so
this
is
what
we
have
so
again,
I'm
not
saying
to
cut
you
off.
You
can
ask
those
questions.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
clear
for
the
record
that
there's
no
buy
right
project
in
front
of
us
tonight.
We
have
this
specific
project
which
included
the
gas
station
and
the
convenience
store.
D
Last
kind
of
question
was
the
the
public
outreach.
What
happened
on
the
address.
M
Yeah,
so
it
was
completely
my
mistake.
I
take
100
responsibility
for
it.
The
previous
meeting
was
at
santex
offices
and
I
printed
out
the
notices
hand
actually
put
them
in
the
mail
as
well
as
hand,
delivered
them,
and
I
inadvertently
kept
the
same
address
as
stantec,
instead
of
updating
it
to
the
more
convenient
community
park
at
moore
park
road.
M
M
D
True
at
the
wrong
address,
but
I
do
I
understand
your
point.
I
will
wait
and
ask
my
other
questions
after
the
public
gets
a
chance.
Thank
you.
K
M
K
M
So
nate,
so
the
first
gentleman
I
always
was
told
to
spo
speak
to
was
hater
hater,
alawi
and
hater
said.
Unless
I
could
get
the
high
school
endorsement,
there
was
no
way
staff
was
going
to
endorse
it.
No
way
a
project
could
happen,
and
so
I
took
a
starbucks
project
to
principal
lichtel
principal
lichtel,
said
no
way,
and
that
was
the
end
of
that.
K
Because
it's
funny,
because
one
of
our
your
supporters
that
sent
us
an
email
was
a
high
school
student
and
I
was
thinking
high
school
students,
love
starbucks.
So
it's
weird
that
you
would
oh.
M
K
And
then
I
have
two
questions
for
you:
how
many
7-elevens
are
in
beverly
hills,
your
neighborhood.
K
Going
on
yeah,
that's
not,
the
other
thing
is,
is
that
you
did
send
us
some
information.
Now
we
may
not
be
discussing
it,
but
you
were
talking
about
the
amount
of
tax
revenue.
This
would
generate
for
the
city
substantially.
M
K
Are
you
at
liberty
to
discuss
that
sure?
Okay,
so
you
set
300
000?
My
question
is:
is
how
much
of
that
would
be
generated
above
and
beyond,
and
how
much
of
that
is
just
based
upon
the
amount
that's
spent
in
the
town?
Are
you
saying
this
is
additional
revenue
above
and
beyond
what
we're
all
already
generating
at
local
stores,
or
is
this
money.
O
M
M
So
we
do
see
that
as
an
opportunity
to
bring
a
new
gorgeous
modern
gas
station
to
this
market,
which
hasn't
seen
one
in
20
30
years,
so
a
portion
of
that
revenue,
we
would
anticipate
you
know,
unfortunately,
being
offset
by
reduction
in
our
your
other
gas
stations.
But
still
we
see
you
know,
I
would
say
about
half
of
it.
You
know,
would
still
be
new
business.
A
M
Commissioner,
I
appreciate
you
asking
that
question.
I
love
my
architect.
Neil
scribner
and
neil
scribner
is
adamant
that
the
code
allows
for
that
metal
roof
and
he
also
is
adamant
that
will
look
beautiful
and
distinguished
and
we're
trying
to
deliver
a
gorgeous
product.
So
I
personally,
as
the
developer
nor
711,
have
any
interest
in
that
roof
being
metal,
but
I
do
have
an
interest
in
his
artistic
and
aesthetic
choice,
and
so
I
wanted
to
fight
for
it
to
the
extent
we
could.
M
A
A
I
guess
we
will
go
to
public
comments,
but
before
we
do
that,
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
everybody
who
comes
up
has
a
right
to
say
what
they
feel
and
I
don't
want
any
applause.
I
don't
want
any
jeering.
I
don't
want
any
comments.
A
A
If
you
want
to
make
a,
if
you
want
to
speak,
you
need
to
fill
out
a
speaker
card.
If
you
want
to
speak
about
this
project,
we
have
quite
a
few
speaker
cards
and
typically
when
there's
more
than
16,
every
speaker
has
two
minutes
and
we
do
have
more
than
16..
I
didn't
even
count
there's
so
many.
So
if
somebody
has
said
exactly
what
you
wanted
to
say,
perhaps
you
could
just
say
ditto
and
we
can
move
on
and
not
take
too
too
long.
A
I
will
state
the
name
of
the
speaker
and
the
speaker
to
come
so
that
the
next
speaker
can
get
ready
and
we
can
move
along
in
an
efficient
manner,
so
with
that
our
first
and
and
these
cards
are
in
order
of
how
they
were
received.
So
the
first
speaker
is
paul
ferchow
and
please
come
up
and
say
your
name
city
of
residence.
A
Oh,
okay,
I'm
sorry
it's
not
written
on
here.
A
Okay,
and
actually
the
applicant's
team
has
a
five-minute
rebuttal
and
you'd
be
able
to
come
up
during
that
time.
If
that's
what
you
wanted
to
do,
no.
G
Just
to
clarify
as
a
matter
of
process,
we
want
to
hear
everything
everyone
has
to
say,
but
the
rules
here
that
we've
had
in
place
for
many
years
are
quite
clear.
When
an
applicant
comes
up,
their
entire
team
has
15
minutes
to
make
a
presentation.
They
can
divide
that
up
any
which
way
they
like,
but
but
it's
15
minutes
then
there's
a
period
of
public
speakers
who
are
not
not
applicants
but
the
public.
G
Then
there's
does
the
staff
go
next
or
rebuttal
because
or
staff
right?
So
then
staff
has
a
period
to
respond
to
all
of
the
comments,
applicant
and
public
and
then
there's
a
five
minute
period
for
the
applicant
to
come
back.
P
G
A
F
F
F
Okay.
My
my
second
point
is:
I
see
that
there's
been
a
change
about
traffic
entries
and
exits,
forcing
a
right-hand
turn
onto
flores.
Well,
that
was
one
of
my
concerns
three
months
ago.
F
F
Personally,
I
don't
see
this
as
an
economically
viable
venture,
no
alcohol
sales,
no
vaping
products
gasoline,
although
you
can
buy,
sell
gasoline
now,
the
move
towards
the
electric
powered
vehicles
is
going
to
make
the
demand
for
gasoline
diminish
greatly
in
the
near
future.
A
Thank
you
robin
kaswick,
and
after
that
will
be
nick
goodway.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
robin
caswick
and
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
staff
for
an
outstanding
summary
of
the
project
and
traffic
and
the
impact
our
community.
I've
lived
on
teasdale
street,
which
is
about
a
block
away,
and
my
neighbors
are
here
too:
they
didn't
do
the
public
speaking
cards
but
they're
here.
So
it's
not
just
the
people
right
next
door
to
the
proposed
7-eleven
that
are
upset.
N
In
fact,
there
are
a
thousand
signatures
of
people
and
I
think
it's
a
next-door
petition,
but
a
thousand
people
who
don't
want
the
increased
traffic
and
gas
trucks,
pumping
tanks
full
of
gas
at
midnight
and
milk
delivery
trucks
at
6
a.m.
Our
community
is
a
nice
calm
residential
community
with
a
great
high
school
in
the
middle.
So
we
have
our
kids
and
we
all
drive
a
little
extra
careful
for
them.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
pulling
into
a
7-eleven
is
going
to
be
extra
careful
because
there's
high
schoolers,
walking
and
texting
and
getting
cigarettes
too.
N
It
sounds
like
I
want
to
say
that
within
there
are
three
grocery
stores
within
one
mile
of
this
proposed
7-eleven,
there's
ralph's,
there's
fawns
and
there's
trader
joe's.
So
it's
not
like.
We
can't
get
milk,
I
mean
it's
available
and
there
are
two
gas
stations
within
a
half
a
mile
and
a
third
one
within
a
mile.
So
there's
plenty
of
gas
stations
they're,
not
enhancing
our
community
as
much
as
the
building
looks
very
lovely.
N
It's
not
improving
our
community,
it's
a
detriment
to
our
community
people
who
live
on
kelly
jasmine,
who
already
have
a
really
hard
time
pulling
out
of
their
street,
making
the
left
onto
flores.
So
they
can
get
to
moore
moorpark.
N
It's
already
really
hard
twice
a
day
because
of
the
high
school
it's
going
to
be
impossible
getting
through
there
when
people
pulling
out
of
the
service
station,
making
the
right
as
staff
directs.
That
sounds
good,
making
a
right,
but
then
they
can't
get
out
of
kelly
jasmine,
because
this
traffic
is
just
going
right
right,
right
and
their
street's
gonna
be
backed
up.
Am
I
out
of
time.
C
C
This
is
not
the
number
one
corner
on
more
park
road,
and
this
is
a
slower
street,
there's
no
on-ramps
for
the
23,
so
there
isn't
as
much
traffic
as
would
be
on
los
arboles
or
on
giants,
road
or
wilbur.
So
I
don't
know
if
somebody
will
correct
me
if,
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
did
certainly
hear
staff
say
that
there
are
no
setback,
all
setback
requirements
have
been
met.
I
think
that's
what
was
said
initially
and
then
we
come
up
with
this
issue
that
we
don't
have
the
setback
requirement
for
kai
jasmine.
C
C
C
The
applicant
very
calmly
said
that
there
was
a
coup
to
get
three
hours
off
from
from
7-eleven,
and
that
was
one
of
the
big
demands
in
the
last
meeting
from
people
and
everyone,
and
I
attended
the
october
11th
meeting
and
talked
to
mr
scribner,
and
he
said
that
they
have
spent
too
much
money
in
it
and
they
will
not
back
down.
Please
support
this
and
end
the
misery
for
the
applicant.
Thank
you.
B
Q
I'm
amy
wilson,
I
live
in
thousand
oaks.
First
of
all,
all
I
really
want
to
say
is
that
there's
been
a
whole
lot
of
untruths
in
this
entire
thing
for
our
poor
community
and
kind
of
downright
shadiness.
First
of
all,
we
very
much
have
complained
about
a
gas
station.
We
have
a
huge
objection
to
a
gas
station.
Q
You
know
I
had
never
heard
of
there
being
a
medical
office
proposed
for
there
and
I
live
two
houses
down
from
the
current
medical
office.
I
never
heard
of
a
meeting
where
72
people
had
such
vitriol
against
a
medical
office,
so
I
was
never
invited
to
anything
like
that
and
we
peacefully
coexist
with
the
current
medical
office.
We
have
no
problems
with
that.
We,
I
think
that
the
setback
that
they
have
on
moore
park
road
is
how
that
should
be
laid
out.
Q
The
setback
shouldn't
be
on
the
side
of
you
know,
majeed's
house,
you
know
that's
not
right
against
the
residential
neighborhood.
Also,
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
I
don't
go
to
a
gas
station
because
of
its
beauty.
For
me,
it's
more
about
price,
so
I
don't
know
what
that's
gonna
bring
you
know
just
all
in
all.
I
already
pick
up
a
lot
of
trash
from
high
school
students.
Q
R
Bill
wilson,
thank
you
and
yeah.
I
was
just
going
to
comment
on.
You
know
that
that
whole
they
do
the
take
out
of
dominoes.
They
close
at
11
o'clock
and
they
they
close
domino,
says
for
safety
reasons
at
11
o'clock
because
they
had
a
lot
of
break-ins
in
the
pharmacy
there.
So
that's
take-outs,
that's
11
o'clock,
I'm
sorry,
11
p.m.
Right
and
they'll
do
some
deliveries
after
that.
That
goes
later,
but
so,
but
on
the
weeknights,
it's
11
o'clock
and
on
friday
and
saturday
it's
11
45
at
night.
So
it
is
very.
R
They
everything's,
shut
down
and
very
quiet
in
there
for
the
community
on
each
side
of
that
proposed
site
is
residential
homes
with
babies
that
live
there.
That
are
just
brand
new
baby
born
right
there
across
from
there
right
next
door
where
they
live
right
in
the
driveway
is
absolutely
young
children
that
live
there,
and
then
we
have
a
baby
next
door
to
on
the
on
the
third
side
of
it.
R
That
was
just
it's
within
one
years
old
and
we
have
a
five-year-old
and
a
ten-year-old
all
surrounded
by
children
that
use
the
park
and
rex
for
whether
it's
football
or
whether
it's
for
events
or
for
kindergarten
or
for
all
of
that
park
and
rec,
is
right.
There
joined
a
thousand
oaks.
All
that
is
our
kids
going
over
there,
we
archer
came
up
with
five.
He
he
learned
a
bike
ride.
This
weekend
we
were
over
at
the
ant
hill,
we're
at
the
ant
hill.
We
just
go
across
there.
R
He
will
have
to
go
across
the
7-eleven.
He'll
have
to
go
across
that
with
all
that
traffic.
So
we
butt
up
against
moore
park
and
there
is
screeching
with
ba
with
rear,
ending
rear-ending
all
the
time,
because
there's
nowhere
to
go
when
you
stop
on
moorpark
road
and
people
get
rear-ended
all
the
time
and
fatalities
with
kids
getting
hit
on
bikes
and
so
where
I'm
always
out
there
seeing
sirens
all
the
time.
So
it's
not
just
during
the
the
school
hours
in
the
morning
and
school
hours
night.
R
It
is
absolute
traffic
during
all
times
the
day
where
people
are
going
over
there
and
using
the
park
and
using
the
park
and
rec
so
they
applied
last
time
they
got
declined.
The
only
thing
they
did
just
took
a
tape
measure.
It
sounds
like
and
got
another
couple
extra
feet
and
that's
all
that's
changed
from
the
last
time
he
applied.
So
please
deny
him
again.
Just
like
you
did
last
time
all
right.
Thanks.
Thank.
B
B
O
O
So
I
wanted
to
point
something
out
with
the
traffic
picking
up
there
and
there's
always
traffic
right
there
and
people
do
come
in
and
make
u-turns.
I
have
two
driveways
on
kaya
jasmine.
O
I'm
certain
those
businesses
there
behind
starbucks
are
losing
money
because
people
cannot
get
in
and
out
of
their
businesses.
We
as
neighbors
and
as
a
community
won't
be
able
to
get
out
of
our
community.
O
I
don't
see
a
difference.
Secondly,
the
I
know
I'm
almost
out
of
time,
but
the
standards
for
gas
stations,
I
believe,
as
you
were
stating
the
last
update
was
1972..
This
is
2019.
B
S
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
maggie
kamal
I
live
at
616
east
avenue,
though
the
last
flores,
as
my
wife
can
mention.
We
live
at
the
house
that
is
going
to
be
most
impacted
by
this
proposed
project.
S
A
Excuse
me:
can
you
direct
your
comments
to
us?
Please.
A
S
S
S
Several
times,
taylor
has
mentioned
by
rights,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
your
mention
of
these
buy
rights
does
not
constitute
giving
you
a
waiver
of
the
setbacks.
You
still
have
to
deal
with
that
and
I'm
very
much
hoping
that
this,
the
commissioners
would
take
that
really
under
consideration
that
do
not
give
him
that
waiver.
S
The
subject
of
domino's
delivery
hours
has
come
up.
Those
folks's
buildings
faces
more
park
road,
not
like
the
one
that
these
folks
are
proposing.
They
are
facing
directly
my
house.
They
have
a
more
impact
on
my
quality
of
life
than
domino's
has
at
those
late
hours
and
they're.
Making
it
sound
as
if
going
from
a
24-hour
proposal
to
a
five
to
two
a.m
is
a
favor
to
us.
S
It
is
not
it's
the
same,
it's
the
same,
and
then
another
thing
for
the
planners
to
also
consider
is
that
my
background
is
in
civil
engineering
and
field
surveying.
I
know
for
a
fact
that,
within
a
few
years
that
signal
that
intersection
carrier,
jasmine
and
los
flores
will
be
a
controlled,
whether
it's
stop
signs
or
or
signal
intersection.
Have
they
considered
any
of
that
impact
on
the
on
that
on
this
proposed
project?
Thank.
A
S
One
last
thing
I'll
be
done:
taylor
said
for
40
years
the
gas
station
was
peacefully
there.
No,
it
was
not
there
peacefully.
I
lived
through
those
years.
There
was
nothing
peaceful
about
those
those
years
and
thank
you.
O
Thank
you.
My
name
is
denise
edwards
and
I
actually
am
living
quite
a
distance
from
it.
I'm
just
north
of
olsen
road
off
of
moore
park
road.
So
I'm
not.
O
You
know
I'm
in
a
distance,
but
my
concern
is
that
I
come
down
moorpark
road
around
eight
o'clock
five
days
a
week
and
the
traffic
is
unbelievable.
It
is
just
definitely
not
a
safe
place
to
put
in
a
7-eleven
in
a
gas
station
where
cars
are
coming
and
going
it.
It
just
doesn't
and
the
other
thing
everyone
keeps
saying
about.
It
was
a
gas
station.
Everybody
was
happy
with
it,
but
I
didn't
live
here.
Then
I
moved
in
in
94.
O
O
So
these
are
things
like
and
the
medical
group.
I
never
knew
that
there
was
a
consideration
for
a
medical
group,
because
I've
always
been
wondering
why
they
haven't
put
continued
with
one,
the
one,
that's
just
down
the
ways
a
little
bit
from
it
from
the
corner
and
make
it
a
one
story
and
a
congregation
of
all
kinds
of
medical
dental
labs.
Q
Whether
you
know
three
hours
less
than
24
hours
is
really
not
a
change.
All
the
trucks
that
will
be
coming
to
deliver
will
be.
There
will
be
a
noise
and
my
house,
my
bedroom,
faces
where
that
would
be
now.
The
medical
place
does
have
lights
24
hours
a
day,
but
they
do
have
them
they're
kind
of
ambient
lighting.
So
it's
not
super
bright
and
I'm
really
concerned
for
the
safety
of
my
children.
Q
On
another
note,
the
the
meetings
that
mr
magdale
had
said
that
he's
had
about
the
medical
and
all
that
I
live
within
a
really
short
range
and
I
never
received
any
of
those
I
did
receive
the
one
for
the
june
28th
and
then
for
the
one
that
was
changed
for
july
2nd.
I
happened
to
be
on
vacation
and
I
would
have
been
there
during
that
time
right
after
that,
I
would
like
to
share
some
photos.
Mr
magdal
did
come
around
and
was
harassing
my
neighbors.
Q
My
neighbor
directly
across
the
street
saw
him
he
came
knocking
on
my
door.
I
like
joined
his
passes
to
you
and
was
peeking
in
my
window,
my
kitchen
window
and
then
was
peeking
in
my
front
door.
This
is
for
everyone
to
see
and
that's
like
harassment,
and
it's
really
creepy
to
have
some
per
some
person.
Looking
in
my
door,
that's
not
really
a
good.
You
know
someone
who
wants
to
run
a
business
in
the
area
and
is
so
concerned
about
the
community
that
doesn't
seem
like
a
very
community
oriented
type
of
behavior.
Q
For
someone
I
just
if
I
would
have
been
home,
I
would
have
called
the
police.
So
thank
you
very
much.
L
Steve
nicholson,
586,
kai
jasmine.
I
live
four
houses
down
from
the
medical
building
in
regards
to
the
dominoes.
We
also
made
a
stop
at
domino's
and
we
were
told
that
they
locked
the
door
at
11
o'clock
with
deliveries
going
to
one
o'clock.
After
that
they
said
that
they've
had
a
lot
of
problems
with
people
showing
up
after
11
o'clock.
They've
had
their
front
window,
broken
they've
had
other
people
trying
to
get
in
drunk
people
high
people.
L
L
The
immediate
residents
are
100
against
this
project.
The
city
planner
does
not
recommend
approval.
The
pta
does
not,
I
believe,
selling
tobacco
at
this
location
across
the
street
from
a
high
school
is
a
horrible
idea.
We
also
deal
with
quite
a
bit
of
traffic
already
at
that
corner.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
problem.
I
believe
there
will
be
increased
crime
vagrancy.
L
All
these
issues
that
were
discussed,
they
will
still
be
happening.
They're.
Really.
It's
just
not
a
good
fit
for
this
lot.
This
project
and
in
regards
to
the
community
outreach
outreach
meetings.
My
wife
and
I
were
at
the
first
two.
We
also
tried
to
be
at
the
third
one.
We
were
two
of
the
three
that
showed
up
who
to
nobody
being
there.
L
We
were
given
less
than
24
hours
for
the
fourth
notice,
so
we
couldn't
make
that
I
couldn't
change
my
plans,
the
meetings
that
we
did
attend.
It
was
really
a
lack
of
community
outreach.
There
was
misinformation,
the
only
specific
question
I
asked
they
did
not
have
an
answer,
for
we
heard
what
great
food
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
buy
at
the
7-eleven.
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
timothy
corbett.
Thank
you
for
having
me
tonight,
thanks
for
everybody
being
here,
everybody's
pretty
much
hit.
The
talking
points
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
There
is
one
big
thing,
though,
is
that
the
site
has
supposedly
been
cleaned
and
remediated
for
since
2004
are
the
tanks
still
in
the
ground?
A
K
Truly,
it's
just
a
bad
idea
to
put
a
gas
station
or
convenience
store
at
that
intersection
too
many
kids,
too
much
traffic
too
close
to
the
residence,
and
it's
just
not
a
good
idea,
and
I
think
the
city
knows
that
I
think
the
residents
know
that
I
think
it
could
be
developed
in
other
ways,
and
maybe
the
landowner
should
look
at
developing
it
and
that
way
that
would
be
a
more
positive
influence
on
the
city.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
T
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
in
the
group
think
consensus.
I
actually
don't
live
in
thousand
oaks
right
now
I
have
in
the
past.
I
did
live
next
to
a
7-eleven
for
six
years
and
I
do
understand
some
of
the
concerns
I
lived
next
to
a
7-eleven
from
2010
to
2016
and
the
brand,
I
think,
has
a
really
interesting
stigma
to
it,
one
that
you
know
people
sort
of
know
it
from
growing
up.
T
They
have
an
idea
of
slurpees
and
sugar
and
all
this
other
stuff
and
the
one
I
lived
next
to
actually
went
through
a
rebrand
in
about
2014
and
they
brought
in
a
beverage
wall.
They
brought
in
fresh
fruit.
They
did
all
these
things.
It
was
the
opposite,
and
I
hadn't
set
foot
in
that
7-11
and
I
was
just
really
curious
about
it.
So
the
long
story
short
is,
it
was
a
single
single
tenant,
711,
not
a
shopping
center,
and
it
was
beautiful
and
I
ended
up
buying
food
there.
I
never
thought
I
would
do
that.
T
It's
just
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
think
there's
some
common
sense
approach
here
that
you
guys
can
come
to
a
middle
ground
if
there's
houses
next
door
that
have
a
problem,
I'm
sure
there's
a
wall
that
can
be
built,
I'm
sure
there's
mitigation
measures
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day
this
is
a
conditional
use
permit.
You
can
always
bring
them
back
in
and
say
you
need
to
do
these
extra
measures
to
make
the
7-eleven
run
properly,
so
it
there's.
There's
got
to
be.
T
You
know,
after
seeing
this
and
hearing
this
I've
known
taylor
for
30
plus
years
he's
a
stand-up
guy
he's
in
really
great
developments,
and
I
I
don't
understand
all
the
the
laughter
and
everything
else.
I
think
you
know
it's
discriminating
against
a
tenant
that,
quite
frankly,
would
bring
yes
a
lot
of
tax
revenue,
I
think,
would
bring
security,
would
bring.
You
know,
life
to
that
corner
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
a
destination.
It's
the
cars
driving
past
it.
It's
people
that
live
in
the
community.
T
It's
going
to
be
these
kids,
getting
the
sugar-free
slurpee,
I
hate
to
tell
them.
I've
got
a
six-year-old
who
loves
the
slurpees,
and
I
just
think
that
the
stigma
that
7-eleven
has
they're
working
to
come
out
of
it.
I
just
post-mated
items
from
7-eleven
two
weeks
ago
and
it
it's
a
different
brand
than
what
you're
thinking
and
I
just
sort
of
implore
everyone.
I
know
it's
very
easy
to
come
in
and
yell
at
taylor
yell
at
7-eleven
or
whoever
else,
and
I
know
the
position
you're
in
these
are
your
constituents.
T
A
All
right,
one
more,
I
think
we
do
have
a
question
for
you.
Yeah,
of
course,.
S
T
G
My
question
is:
are
you
you
mentioned
a
30-plus
year
association
with
friendship
with
mr.
G
What
is
your
or
do
you
have
a
business
association
with
mr
mcdonald.
T
Yeah,
thank
you.
Can
I
clarify
what
it
is
sure
I've
built
the
starbucks
drive
through
three
of
them
with
him
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
do
think
that's
a
great
business
model,
but
that
is
a
destination
where
cars
come
to
the
site
and
create
traffic.
A
7-eleven
is
a
pass
by
site
and
this
is
going
to
be
used
by
the
residents
and
if
it's
not
it's
going
to
go
out
of
business.
Okay,.
A
Your
friend
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
we
have
susan
sloat
and
after
that
john
mclaughlin,.
Q
Q
Mr
megnal
had
mentioned
also
something
about
if
the
7-eleven
once
the
7-eleven
wasn't
occupying
the
space
and
if
we
have
the
stipulations
deeded
will
it
transfer
with
no
alcohol
or
tobacco
sales?
I
had
another
question
and
now
I
can't
remember
what
it
was,
but
also
you
know
all
the
concerns
about
the
traffic
and
everything
else
has
been
mentioned.
So
that's
really
my
only
question
right
now.
Thank
you.
B
Good
evening
my
name
is
john
mclaughlin.
I
live
on
kaie
clavel,
interesting
point
from
the
developer,
who
lives
in
beverly
hills
with
no
7-elevens
but
wants
to
live
in
thousand
oaks
where
this
seven
of
them
is
I'm
actually
a
realtor
in
the
area,
and
I
show
properties
in
this
area
and
I
have
to
disclose
to
them
any
proposals.
B
B
There's
two
bus
stops
directly
opposite
where
this
proposal
is,
as
you
drive
out
of
jasmine,
if
you
try
and
make
a
left
turn
and
there's
a
bust
there,
it's
extremely
difficult.
So
now,
even
if
there
is
a
right
turn
only
on
the
7-eleven,
it's
going
to
make
it
increasingly
different
alcohol
cigarettes
vapes.
B
O
Good
evening,
I'd
like
to
thank
our
city
staff
for
all
their
work
and
effort
on
our
behalf
in
this
and
just
on
explaining,
what's
going
to
happen
and
what
what
problems
will
be
and
all
of
you
for
your
attention
and
consideration
of
the
issue.
So
the
building
setbacks
are
supposed
to
be
a
hundred
feet
in
jets.
K.A
jasmine
is
just
40
feet.
That
would
maybe
not
be
a
big
deal
if
these
people
didn't
live
40
feet
away
from
it.
These
are
their
private
homes
they
need
to
sleep
at
night.
O
O
I
attended
one
of
the
meetings
with
mr
magdal
and
he
told
me
that
a
7-eleven
is
absolutely
necessary
to
add
to
that,
because
a
gas
station
simply
cannot
survive
without
something
like
that
on
its
own.
Today
I
find
that
would
be
news
to
shell
76
and
the
usa
gas
station
that
are
one
mile
on
each
each
side
of
it,
and
I
would
hate
to
see
a
business
such
as
this
use,
their
convenience
station
to
their
convenience,
store
to
draw
more
clients
and
perhaps
cause
one
of
those
long-time
businesses
to
have.
O
When
I
spoke
to
mr
magnol,
I
asked
him
some
very
specific
questions.
I
live
about
a
mile
and
a
half
away,
so
obviously
this
isn't
in
my
backyard,
but
I
have
a
huge.
I
go
to
a
lot
of
school
board
meetings.
I
work
with
small
children.
I
just
have
a
concern
for
children
and
their
health
and
safety
and
their
education.
It's
just
something
I'm
passionate
about.
O
So
I
found
it
interesting
that
when
I
asked
him
about
about
alcohol
and
tobacco,
he
was
very
specific
that
the
law
won't
allow
them
to
do
it
and
therefore
they
will
not
break
the
law,
because
what
would
be
the
point
of
that?
He
didn't
tell
me
that
this
applied
only
to
the
alcohol
and
not
to
the
tobacco,
which
I
was
quite
clear
that
I
was
referring
to
both.
In
my
conversation,
I
don't
really
appreciate
the
threat.
I
hope
none
of
us
appreciate
the
threat.
O
A
Bye-Bye
mackenzie
bond
and
then
funny
I
do
smelly
some
ellie.
B
I
live
right
across
the
street,
actually
at
the
house
where
I
had
mr
peeper
looking
into
our
kitchen
and
I
go
to
borderline
canyon
club
two,
usually
two
or
three
nights
a
week
and
I
get
home
really
late
and
even
just
like
having
people
driving
by
it
kind
of
freaks
me
out.
I
always
run
straight
into
my
house
to
make
sure
that
nothing
I
mean
nothing
happens
because
t.o
has
always
been
a
really
safe
community
and
I
feel
like
it
wouldn't
be
very
safe
anymore.
B
My
little
sister
and
a
bunch
of
neighbor
kids
up
the
street
all
go
to
teo
high
school
and
they
all
walk
to
and
from
school
every
day.
So
I
just
feel
like
why
have
something
there
when
there's
a
gas
station
half
a
mile
down
the
road
either
way
and
also,
why
are
they
trying
to
build
something
if
they
don't
even
have
a
person?
That's
going
to
build
it,
yet
they
don't
even
have
someone
who's
planning
to
build
anything.
B
A
C
By
mistake,
I
came
and
I
am
not
prepared,
but
yeah-
I'm
I'm
really
opposed
to
this.
That's
pretty
much.
I'm.
C
F
F
F
A
Thank
you
paul
for
cho
and
then
nils.
A
B
Again,
jason
schlumgen
thousand
president
just
want
to
point
something
out.
I
read
recently
from
the
national
association
of
convenience
stores
in
2017
of
all
the
top
10
store
cigarettes,
the
most
positive
results
of
sales.
B
B
A
Thank
you
and
now
we'll
go
back
to
staff
for
follow-up
comments.
H
Thank
you,
chair
mcmahon.
Thank
you
for
all
speakers.
Just
a
couple
points
of
clarification
from
the
speakers
and
comments
in
response
to
some
of
the
statements
made.
The
hours
of
operation
are
not
suggested
just
to
mirror
the
shopping
centers
to
the
north
and
to
the
south.
H
H
Miss
vaughn
stated
concerns
with
potential
light
impacts,
just
for
clarification
that
if
this
project
does
go
forward,
the
city
does
have
a
technical
review
of
all
lighting
proposals
and
we
review
photometric
drawings
which
determine
what
the
impacts
are
going
to
be
and
make
sure
that
lighting
does
not
the
light
intensity,
zeroes
out
essentially
near
the
property
line.
So
there's
no
spillage
beyond
the
proper
lanes
onto
adjacent
in
the
residential
area.
In
this
case.
H
Ms
sloat
question
whether
or
not
the
sup
special
use
permit
conditions
would
transfer
with
the
property
and
they
do
transfer.
The
new
property
owner
would
be
required
to
sign
acceptance
of
those
conditions
to
operate
as
the
previous
youth
did
or
otherwise
file
a
modification
to
that
permit
to
seek
a
change
and
that
there
was
a
change
would
come
back
before
this
body.
H
The
majority
of
the
other
comments
focused
on
the
traffic
impacts
and
I'll.
Let
miss
now
and
speak
to
those.
J
Good
evening
I
have
four
comments
I
was
going
to
address.
First
one.
It
was
brought
up
that,
possibly
that
the
right
and
right
out
driver
would
encourage
more
people
to
travel
down
calais,
jasmine
and
was
questioning.
Did
we
look
at
this
and
the
answer?
We
we
don't
think
there'll
be
a
substantial.
Even
very
many
people
will
make
that
right
on
cali,
jasmine
and
wander
through
the
neighborhood.
That's
not
to
say
some
people
won't.
It
is
a
beautiful
neighborhood,
but
because
this
is
a
neighbor,
a
convenience
store
more
in
the
neighborhood
of
where
it's
located.
J
People
will
be
coming
and
going
there's
a
very
high
passerby
factor,
so
people
will
know
where
they're
coming
and
going
and
we
don't
think
they'll
be
wandering
driving
through
calais,
jasmine
neighborhood
to
get
to
find
out
how
they're
going
to
get
out
of
the
neighborhood
they'll
be
using
the
intersection.
J
There
is
a
comparison
made
to
the
starbucks
on
rancho
and
tob.
I
I
actually
don't
think
it's
a
very
fair
con
comparison.
Their
starbucks
on
rancho
and
tob
does
have
its
challenges,
but
it's
a
starbucks
with
a
drive-through
with
it's
not
a
service
station.
So
I
I
don't
think
that
was
an
accurate
comparison,
that
this
will
be
very
similar
to
the
issues
at
starbucks
at
rancho
and
tob.
J
The
question
was:
do
we
consider
looking
at
the
truck
traffic
that
will
be
accessing
the
property
when
we
look
at
trip
generation
rates
and
impacts
to
the
project?
The
trucks
are
part
of
the
big
picture.
J
So
no,
we
did
not
look
at
individual
truck
trips
to
the
site,
but
it
was
considered
as
part
of
the
overall
trip
generation
rate
to
the
site,
and
there
was
a
statement
made
that
the
intersection
of
kelly,
jasmine
and
flores
will
eventually
need
some
form
of
either
stop
control
or
a
signal,
as
all
intersections
in
the
city
will
continue
to
monitor
it
right
now.
It
doesn't
warrant
it
and
we
don't
see
that
much
tremendous
growth
in
the
city
in
this
vicinity
that
possibly
would
warrant
it
in
the
near
future.
J
The
with
the
7-eleven
that
in
itself
will
not
warrant
there's
a
lot
of
driveway
traffic
the
7-eleven
will
generate,
but
because
of
the
high
pass
or
by
factor.
These
are
trips
that
are
already
in
the
community
and
then
they're
just
diverting
from
their
trips
wherever
they're
going
into
the
7-eleven,
so
it
doesn't,
there
won't
be
a
tremendous
increase
in
the
overall
number
of
trips
in
the
whole
area.
A
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
questions
of
staff,
commissioner.
K
I
had
two
quick
questions,
mr
kearns:
what
are
the
hours
for
the
gas
stations
on
our
bloods?
Do
you
know,
do
we
have
do?
We
have
a
restriction
on
those.
A
A
K
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
glad
you
did
that
survey
for
me
anticipating
that
question.
The
other
question
I've
got
is
the
property
directly
to
the
south.
I
believe
it's
a
medical
office
building
or
burn
unit
or
something
along
those
lines
when
that
building
was
put
up,
were
there
restrictions
on
the
hours
for
that
one?
I
understand
the
old
jacobisi
property
had
restrictions
on
the
hours.
Obviously,
but
did
they
ask
anything
of
the
people
directly
to
the
south
of
this
place?.
G
First
off
thanks
very
much
for
your
research
on
the
hours,
much
appreciated
just
for
clarity,
I
want
to
be
sure
I
understand
about
the
the
one
24-hour
spot
you
mentioned.
H
A
I
did
have
one
question
and
it
was
triggered
by
something
one
of
the
public
comments.
The
deliveries
are,
and
I
might
have
missed
it
in
the
report-
are
those
restricted
to
certain
hours.
The
deliveries
of
gas
and
supplies.
H
I
can't
point
to
the
exact
condition
number
in
the
recommended:
4b
but
they're
limited
7am
to
7pm.
A
Nice
good
memory.
Okay,
do
we
have
any
other
questions
of
staff?
A
Okay
at
this
time,
I
will
just
mention
that
we
received
12
13
comment
cards
and
all
of
them
are
opposed
to
the
project.
Just
want
that
in
the
record,
and
then,
if
there's
no,
no
more
comments
or
questions
of
staff,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing.
No,
no,
no
I'm
sorry.
We
have
the
applicant's
five
minute
rebuttal
and
at
this
time
any
of
your
your
associates
can
come
up
and
speak
for
five
minutes.
M
Join
us
for
his
rebuttal,
which
I'll
give
most
of
the
time
to
him.
I
just
want
to
note
you
know
this
is
a
single
tenant
7-eleven,
this
isn't
a
shopping
center.
The
planning
commission
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
authority
over
a
cup.
That's
granted
I
mean
you
guys
have
oversight
power.
This
is
a
three
year
almost
test
run
on
whatever
you
prove
and
you
can
impose
more
cleanliness,
more
security
and
a
lot
of
other
levers
so,
and
we
would
welcome
that
operationally.
M
M
I'd
also
like
to
say
one
one
other
note:
I
I
emailed
planner
kearns
about
his
interpretation
of
the
ancillary
operations
of
a
gas
station.
I
am
99
sure
that
he
is
referencing
a
section
that
equates
to
lube
shops,
tire
shops
and
ancillary
to
the
actual
gas
operations.
A
convenience
store,
which
is
defined
as
candy
soda
and
cigarettes
by
the
code,
is
considered
in
the
service
station,
so
actually
the
hours
would
default
to
the
6am
to
11pm.
P
Hi
paul
ferchow
real
estate
manager
for
7-eleven,
so
obviously
a
lot
of
issues
were
just
discussed
totally
at
length,
and
the
one
thing
I'll
mention
about
cigarette
sales,
which
hasn't
been
mentioned
so
far,
is
the
consequences
for
the
franchisee.
P
So
the
reason
why
we
have
five
stores
currently
today
that
have
no
violations
whatsoever
by
us
or
the
police
that
we
can
find
is
that
if
they
get
two
violations
within
two
years,
they're
forced
to
sell
their
franchisee
their
their
business
and
if
they
get
a
third,
they
lose
it
all
together.
We
just
take
it
over,
so
there's
a
big
incentive
for
them
to
comply,
and
we
give
them
the
tools
too.
P
With
regards
to
our
our
register
system,
where
any
sale
of
age
restricted
product,
no
matter
what
it
is,
the
computer
actually
stops
the
sale
and
makes
them
scan
either
scan
id
and
also
give
them
the
the
date
that
they
need
to
look
for.
It's
actually
works
very
well.
We
also
have
a
secret
shopper
program
where
we
have
unannounced
visits
once
a
month
where
they
test
the
sales
associates
without
identifying
who
they
are,
and
then
they
go
over
the
results
with
the
district
manager
in
the
franchisee
once
a
month,
so
with
tobacco.
P
We
definitely
take
that
seriously,
especially
as
mentioned
the
location
of
this
7-eleven
very
quickly.
P
The
sig
sales
for
sun
lemon
in
general
are
much
lower
as
a
percentage,
because
knacks
or
national
association,
convenience
stores,
they're,
usually
averaging
just
the
typical
convenience
store
that
has
coke
cheetos
cigarettes
right,
where
711
obviously
has
a
lot
more
to
offer
than
that,
so
as
a
percentage
we're
much
lower.
The
reason
why
taylor
really
couldn't
answer
that
question,
though,
is
because
there's
something
we
call
market
basket.
So
when
someone
buys
a
pack
of
cigarettes,
they
usually
also
buy
something
else
like
a
sandwich
or
coffee
or
whatever.
P
I
was
listening
to
the
comments
the
monument
sign
doesn't
have
to
be
on
the
corner.
I
did
see
through
those
pictures
legitimate
concerns
as
far
as
how
that
literally
blocked
intersection,
so
we
could
move
the
monument
sign
off
the
corner.
I'd
be
okay
with
that,
of
course,
delivery
hours
was
already
mentioned.
We
definitely
work
with
the
city
on
delivery
hours,
because
the
the
whole
purpose
of
this
is
to
preserve
the
quality
of
life
for
the
nearby
residents
as
much
as
possible.
So
no
one
would
argue
against
that
traffic.
I
can
just
tell
you.
P
I
agree
also
that
through
the
multiple
seven
limbs
I've
opened
since
it's
a
convenient
store,
we're
capturing
people
that
are
already
there
me
as
a
customer
I'll
drive
five
miles
to
go
to
costco.
I'm
not
gonna
drive
five
miles
to
go
to
a
7-eleven,
okay
and
with
regards
to,
I
think
environmental
was
already
covered.
Just
so
you
guys
know,
7-11
would
never
go
to
a
location
that
was
considered
dirty,
we're
a
multi-billion
dollar
company,
and
that
is
way
too
much
liability
for
us.
P
So
if
the
site
is
not
clean,
we're
not
going
there
so-
and
that
is
my
rebuttal.
Thank
you
for
listening.
A
P
G
G
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
fircho,
for
you
for
your
comments.
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
we're
clear
on
the
parameters
of
ownership
and
franchising
and
developing
and
land
ownership,
this
gentleman
to
your
left
to
your
far
left.
I'm
sorry,
mister,
mr
cox.
G
Let
me
just
make
sure
make
sure
I
understand
who's
who's
doing
what
in
the
puzzle,
mr
cox
is
the
property
owner.
Is
that
correct?
His
fam?
His
family
has
been
the
property
owner
as.
G
P
G
G
G
Yeah
many
years
ago,
many
years
ago,
you
used
to
sponsor
a
bike
racing
team.
I
know
it
well
anyway.
7-Eleven
is
a
franchising
operation.
I
presume
that
you
have
some
business
relationship
with
mr
mcdonald,
the
the
new
property
owner,
correct.
P
P
G
A
A
Okay.
At
this
point,
I
think
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
I
will
open
up
the
floor
for
a
motion
or
discussion.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
before
raising
any
motion
or
making
other
any
other
comments.
I
have
another
process
question.
This
came
up
last
time
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure
we're
clear
with
mr
heer.
G
There
was
some
discussion
last
time
before
we
voted
to
continue
without
prejudice
to
a
future
date,
whether
we
would
be
able
to
make
that
determination
and
whether
we
would
be
able
to
have
a
up
or
down
vote
or
just
basically
hold
the
application
in
suspension.
So
my
question
is
the
same
one
as
we
had
last
time
last
time
you
said
quite
clearly:
you've
got
enough
material
here.
You've
got
enough
evidence
before
you
to
make
a
determination.
So
my
question
is:
are
we
at
the
same
point
after
tonight's
hearing?
Are
we
able
to
make
a
determination.
I
Well,
I
will
say
that,
ultimately,
you
have
to
decide
if
you
have
enough
information
to
make
a
decision.
I
certainly
think,
based
on
the
fact
that
we've
had
two
meetings
on
this
matter
and
a
lot
of
testimony
from
both
the
applicant
and
his
team,
from
obviously
various
residents
and
other
individuals
who
have
come
in
to
provide
their
comments.
I
You
certainly
have
information
to
make
a
decision
if
you
think
there
is
something
lacking
or
typically,
what
happens
is
when
you
see
you
think,
there's
something
lacking
and
there's
a
significant
point
that
you
need
to
obtain.
You
reach
an
agreement
with
the
applicant
to
make
a
decision
whether
they
want
to
continue
the
matter
or
not.
I
In
this
case,
if,
if
you
were
to
consider
something
of
that
nature-
and
I'm
not
saying
you
are,
but
if
you
were
you'd
actually
have
to
open
up
the
hearing
again
to
talk
to
the
applicant
and
and
and
get
the
applicant
to
discuss
that
ability
to
continue,
and
I
bring
that
up
simply
because
the
applicant
has
the
right
to
have
the
hearing
today
and
have
a
decision
today,
and
so
it
would
be
up
to
them
ultimately
to
make
a
decision.
If
you
were
to
get
a
going
to
consider
a
continuance
of
some
kind.
R
I
I
I
just
said:
I'm
not
a
a
person
who
makes
that
kind
of
decision.
So
to
me
I
want
you
all
to
be
comfortable
that
you
have
something
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
any
of
you
tonight
that
you're
concerned
about
a
question.
You
don't
have
an
answer
to
other
than
maybe
possibly
7-eleven
franchisee
rules
or
something
of
that
nature.
But
overall,
I
think
you
have
enough
information
to
again
decide
why
I
can't
make
that
determination
for
you
as
a
as
your
attorney.
I.
G
I
understand
7-eleven
franchising
much
better
than
I
did
three
minutes
ago
so,
and
I
appreciate
that
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
answering
that
process.
Question
I'll
say
that
I
want
to
see
something
on
this
corner.
It's
people
on
both
sides
of
the
issue,
both
the
applicant
and
the
neighbors,
have
said
they're
concerned
about
the
corner
being
a
nuisance
site,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
there's
some
common
ground
on
I'd
like
to
see
this
corner
done.
G
I
mentioned
at
the
last
hearing
that
the
neighbor
of
this
site,
nadine
bartley,
is
my
physical
therapist
and
my
personal
friend,
and
I
know
that
that
her
business
next
door
in
the
medical
business
has
had
some
hardships,
because
this
site
is
undeveloped
and
has
had
some
problems
around
that.
So
I
think
it's
it's
in
the
greater
public
interest
to
have
something
on
this
site.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
that's
a
very
controversial
thing
to
say
before
I
go
into
the
controversial
part
of
my
remarks.
G
G
What
we
are
not
voting
on
is,
as
mr
megdahl
said,
the
gas
station
is
quote.
The
only
reason
we're
here
we're
not
voting
on
a
gas
station,
we're
not
voting
on
whether
we
like
7-elevens
or
not.
I
actually
agree
with
mr
huddleston.
I
think
7-elevens
can
be
quite
quite
good
places.
I've
used
many
of
them
and
I
like
a
lot
of
what
7-11
does
so.
This
is
not
an
up
or
down
vote
on
whether
we
want
to
have
a
gas
station
or
even
whether
we
want
to
have
a
7-eleven
or
anything
like
that.
G
G
We're
also
not
voting.
Let
me
say
one
more
thing
about
what
we're
not
voting
on
we're
not
voting
on
tobacco
grounds.
I
agree
with
you,
mr
megdel,
and
I
agree
with
mr
here
in
the
statements
that
tobacco,
whether
it
is
or
is
not
allowed
at
this
site,
is
explicitly
out
of
scope.
I
appreciate
what
you've
said
about
your
willingness
to
not
sell
vaping
products
at
this
site,
and
I
think
I
probably
agree
with
you
when
you
said
quote
you,
mr
megdahl
said
I
wish
this
whole
world
was
rid
of
cigarettes.
G
I
wish
that
too,
in
your
communication
to
us
on
may
9th,
you
quoted
some
some
data
from
the
centers
for
disease
control.
The
cdc
also
says
that
2
000
high
school
students
start
smoking
cigarettes,
not
vaping.
Every
day
in
america
the
cdc
says:
480
000
americans
die
every
year
from
tobacco
use.
41
000
of
those
are
secondhand
smoke
casualties.
G
G
G
G
That's
unusual
to
have
that
many
different
variations.
It's
not
just
that
an
applicant
comes
to
us
and
says
we'd
like
this
waiver
or
that
waiver,
it's
the
preponderance
of
the
number
of
of
waivers
in
total
that
we
look
at
as
part
of
this
application,
and
for
that
reason
I
cannot
support
this.
Application
is
currently
considered,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
decide
with
staff
that
we
deny
special
use,
permit
2019,
70299,
based
on
the
findings
contained
in
the
resolution.
K
I'm
going
to
make
this
short
and
sweet.
We,
we
went
over
this
already
a
couple
months
ago.
We
got
into
the
weeds
on
on
just
about
every
topic,
but
I
think
the
biggest
issue
that
that
we
that
we
were
dealing
with
was
the
hours
of
operation
how
we
were
going
to
deal
with
our
neighbors,
approximately
the
other
sensitive
uses.
We
did
talk
about
the
history
of
kind
of
gas
stations
in
that
part
of
town
I
went
to
when
I
was
going
to
high
school
in
thousand
oaks.
K
I
lived
directly
across
from
keats
and
arboles
and
there
was
a
gas
station
in
my
residential
neighborhood
too.
It
wasn't
open
until
two
in
the
morning
and
it's
long
gone
now.
So
I
understand
that
there
may
be
a
need
for
gas
stations.
There
may
be
a
requirement
for
them,
but
I
also
understand
why
people
aren't
aren't
as
interested
in
having
them
in
their
backyard
anymore.
K
So
much
like
once
upon
a
time,
there's
a
jacuzzi
dairy
across
the
street
doing
deliveries.
This
may
be
something
that's
that
it's
time
has
come
and
gone
and
three
hours
difference
isn't
enough
to
sway
me
at
this
point.
So.
D
I
I
first
want
to
thank
you
again
for
trying
to
invest
in
thousand
oaks.
It's
an
amazing
city
and-
and
I
very
much
appreciate
that
the
difficulty-
and
I
think
commissioner
newman
kind
of
pointed
out
is-
I
want
to
focus,
and
I
always
do
on
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
can't.
D
One
thing
mr
kidwai
was
here
earlier
and
asked
us
to
consider
somehow
doing
a
district-wide
vote,
which
again
is
beyond
our
scope,
and
the
problem
is,
is
that
I
don't
want
to
become
a
legislator
as
part
of
this
process.
That's
not
our
role.
We
actually
enforce
the
rules.
The
rule
that
we're
looking
at
has
very
specific
guidelines.
D
Those
two
areas
create
issues
for
me
in
terms
of
again
just
applying
the
rule.
If
I
were
to
say
that
those
were
not
a
problem,
then
I
would
be
legislating
in
my
opinion.
So,
with
those
two
in
mind,
I'm
going
to
support
the
motion
to
the
extent
you
want
to
appeal
that
and
make
it
a
legislative
issue.
D
That's
for
the
city
council,
but
again,
our
role
as
part
of
this
planning
commission
is
to
apply
these
rules
and
if
we
start
applying
them
in
a
capricious
and
vague
way,
creates
a
lot
more
problems
in
terms
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
rules
say
and
that's
not
what
I
agreed
to
do,
and
I
don't
want
to
go
beyond
that.
So
again,
I
appreciate
everything.
You've
done,
I
know
you're
frustrated.
D
Believe
me,
I
can
see
all
the
effort
and
time
and
energy
you
put
into
this
process,
you've
modified
stuff
and
by
the
way,
another
thing
commissioner
newman
pointed
out
with
we're,
not
negotiators.
Here
we
actually
can't
go
back
and
forth
and
start
changing
terms
on
the
fly.
That's
something
again.
We
recommend
you
guys
do
with
the
staff
and
bring
a
final
project
to
us
that
we
can
actually
say
yes
or
no
to
because
again,
this
is
a
public
process.
D
A
Thank
you.
I
did
want
to
make
a
comment
myself.
I
have
no
issue
with
the
high
school
kids
gold
over
getting
a
slurpee
after
school.
That's
fine
with
me!
It's
fine
for
me
to
have
a
gas
station
there,
but
two
things
really
bother
me
one
is
it
didn't?
It
didn't
seem
that
much
to
ask
that
you
make
it
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
as
far
as
the
roof.
A
You
said
it
wasn't
a
cost
issue.
I
I'm
not.
It
just
seems
to
me
that
that's
something
this
city
staff
feels
very
strongly
about.
It's
part
of
our
city
code
is
that
we
make
it
compatible
visually
and
and
that
you
wouldn't
do.
That
strikes
me
as
interesting
and
the
other
thing
is
the
hours
the
neighborhood
around
there,
the
other
businesses.
A
I
just
don't
think
we
can
extend
the
hours,
and
so
I'm
going
to
support
the
motion
that
we
deny
this
project.
A
G
Matt
and
may
I
make
one
more
comment-
yes,
I
want
to.
I
want
to
echo
something
commissioner
lanson
said
in
the
way
of
thanks
and
gratitude
both
to
the
applicant
and
your
team
and
to
every
resident
and
community
member
who
came
to
speak
tonight
pro
and
con
your
input
pro
and
con.
Whether
we
agree,
we
don't
agree,
it's
very
important
and
all
of
us
here
are
very
grateful
for
you
coming
together
to
have
your
say.
So
thank
you
for
that.
With
that
I
hit
the
motion
button.
Thank
you.
I
Right,
so
just
because
the
way
that
the
motion
comes
up
on
the
screen
just
understand,
so
let
me
just
for
the
record.
You
heard
you
heard
mr
newman's
motion.
It's
to
approve
sas
recommendation
that
the
planning
commission
deny
special
use,
permit
2019-70,
based
on
the
findings
contained
in
the
attached
resolution,
which
is
attachment
4..
So
that
is
the
motion
that
you're
voting
on
so
affirming
that
is
to
vote
for
denial.
G
A
A
M
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
ready
to
resume
our
meeting
with
item
7c.
Will
the
clerk
please
open
the
public
hearing
hearing.
B
To
allow
the
demolition
of
an
existing
single-family
dwelling
and
construction
of
an
approximate
4000
square
foot,
two-story
single-family
residence,
where
the
second
floor
area
exceeds
75
percent
of
the
original
building
footprint
located
at
1408
red
sail
circle.
The
applicants
are
scott
and
sandra
elderton.
E
Precise
plan
design
guidelines
establish
guidelines
and
standards
for
evaluating
new
residential
development
throughout
the
city.
In
this
case,
the
guidelines
specify
that
rebuilding
a
residence
where
the
proposed
second
story
floor
area
exceeds
75
of
the
original
building.
Footprint
requires
planning
commission
review.
E
E
Such
as
being
located
inside
a
gated
community,
its
private
streets
and
common
ownership
of
surrounding
water
amenities,
which
leads
to
another,
another
fact,
is
the
only
way
to
gain
access
to
this
community
is
through
a
bridge.
One
way
in
one
way
out.
E
E
E
E
E
If
it
is
consistent
with
the
surrounding
development,
as
shown
on
the
previous
table,
29
feet
is
an
established
height
within
this
community
to
circle.
Back
to
the
beginning
of
the
presentation,
ppd
design
guidelines
specify
that
rebuilding
residents,
where
the
proposed
second
story
floor
area
exceeds
75
percent
of
the
original
building.
Footprint
requires
planning
commission
review.
E
E
D
D
D
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
consistent,
speaking
of
which
condition
15
says
7
to
7,
and
I
think
the
hoa
letter
said
7
to
5
per
day
in
terms
of
the
work
again
is
just
wanna
make
sure
it's
consistent
as
to
exactly
making
sure
they're
complying
with
the
hoa
rules.
D
K
Just
have
one
question
for
my
identification.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
you
gave
a
few
examples
of
homes
of
similar
size.
I
was
just
curious
if
this
is
going
to
is
this
going
to
be
the
tallest
one.
E
The
majority
of
the
roof
is
29
feet.
The
the
tower
element
is
31
feet.
K
E
A
Any
other
questions.
Okay.
At
that
point
we
have
the
applicant
and
the
representatives,
tom
cohen,
scott
and
sandra
alderton,
and
brooks
dunn.
You
have
15
minutes.
R
R
R
We're
here
today
with
our
architect,
brooks
dunn,
who
can
answer
questions
both
about
that
tower
element
and
about
the
soil,
grading
issues
that
you've
raised,
and
our
council,
tom
cohen.
I'd,
also
like
to
just
take
a
moment
and
thank
mr
berrigan
for
his
many
hours
of
hard
work
on
our
project
and
supporting
us.
We
are
very
appreciative
of
the
city's
efforts
on
our
behalf.
R
We
we
moved
out
to
thousand
oaks
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
after
spending
a
lot
of
time
in
the
san
fernando
valley,
raising
our
children.
There
we've
been
very
much
enjoying
being
in
this
community
and
being
in
westlake
village
and
we're
looking
forward
to
building
our
home
on
the
island
and
moving
in
there
and
being
a
good
member
of
that
community.
We
we
believe,
it's
a
house
that
we're
going
to
be
proud
of
and
the
neighborhood
is
going
to
be
very
proud
of.
R
You
have
before
you
and
the
record
a
number
of
letters
from
our
neighbors
that
support
the
project
and
I
don't
believe
anybody
has
opposed
the
project
and,
as
mr
barrigan
has
noted,
the
project
notwithstanding
the
fact
that
it
deviates
from
some
of
the
the
thousand
oaks
city
codes
is
very
consistent
with
the
character
and
nature
of
the
island
itself.
B
Thank
you,
scott
and
sandy
good
evening,
chair
and
commissioners.
My
name
is
tom
cohen,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
scott
and
sandy
in
their
application
this
evening,
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks-
and
I
too
want
to
extend
my
thanks
to
steve
berrigan
and
staff
for
his
report
and
the
support
for
the
project
from
city
staff.
B
Steve
worked
very
hard
and
masterfully
guided
us
through
this
process.
The
west
lake
island
is
a
unique
residential
community
with
varying
architectural
styles
and
designs.
The
pictures
that
you
saw,
I
think,
demonstrate
that
and
brooke's
design
is
exceptional
and
in
keeping
with
the
alder
alderton's
vision
and
the
function
they
are
seeking,
as
well
as
in
keeping
with
the
homes
that
have
been
renovated
and
rebuilt
over
the
years
throughout
the
island.
My
parents
owned
a
home
on
the
island.
That
was
what
might
have
called
a
contemporary
in
1968
and
today
looks,
looks
very
old
and
tired.
B
B
As
you
heard,
the
west
lake
island
property
owners
association
has
approved
the
residence
second,
the
proposed
design
and
size
of
the
residence
is
comparable
to
those
previously
approved
within
the
vicinity
of
this
project
and
five
of
the
alderton's
neighbors
submitted
letters
and
support
that
recognize
that
and
third,
we
accept
each
of
staff's
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
So
we
respectfully
ask
you
tonight
for
your
support
and
we
are
available
to
respond
to
any
questions
that
you
may
have,
and
I
know
there
was
a
question
about
grading.
B
D
B
A
Anyone
else
any
other,
commissioner
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Did
you
have
a
question?
I'm
sorry.
F
The
at
brookstone,
I'm
the
architect,
I'm
a
resident
of
venice.
My
office
is
in
santa
monica
and
before
I
start
into
the
answer,
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
the
chair
and
the
committee
for
being
here
so
late,
and
also
thanks
steve
for
his
efforts
and
his
patience,
answering
questions
as
we
went
through
this
process.
I
really
do
appreciate
that.
F
F
F
G
H
F
Tower
that
tower
is
actually
a
functional
feature:
it's
very
it's
in
the
center
of
the
roof,
and
there
is
a
roof
monitor
at
the
top
of
it,
and
it's
at
the
top
of
the
staircase.
That's
at
the
center
of
the
house.
There
are
a
couple
of
different
functions
that
that's
doing
for
us.
It
allows
indirect
light
in
that
is
light
without
heat
gain
into
the
stairwell,
which
gets
natural
light
into
the
center
of
the
house.
F
There
are
motorized
operable
windows
at
the
top
of
the
tower
so
when
those
windows
are
open
and
if
you
open
windows
on
the
lower,
you
know
the
first
of
the
second
floor,
you
get
stack
effect,
ventilation,
which
will
hopefully
minimize
the
amount
of
time
you
actually
have
to
run.
The
air
conditioner
and
the
height
is
a
functional
relationship
to
get
the
window
and
get
the
windows
in
at
the
top.
F
A
Anyone
else.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
don't
have
any
speaker
cards.
Is
that
correct?
No
speaker
cards,
okay,.
A
All
right,
technically,
you
guys
have
five
minute
rebuttal
if
you
want
to
rebut
anything
that
we've
said
okay
at
this
point,
I
guess
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
I
will
open
up
the
floor
for
a
motion
and
or
discussion.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
was
actually
walking
the
property
the
other
day
and
a
bunch
of
neighbors
came
up
and
were
so
excited
to
hear
that
there's
going
to
be
something
done
with
this
property
excited
about
the
designs
looks
great,
so
I
would
suggest
we
go
ahead
and
move
to
approve.
K
A
All
right
anything
else,
all
right,
then,
would
you
please
prepare
us
for
a
vote.
G
G
The
appropriate
venue,
the
appropriate
channel
to
do
that
is
through
staff.
Do
not
try
to
contact
us
individually.
It
then
becomes
an
ex-parte
communication.
We're
obliged
to
disclose
it.
It
can
taint
the
hearing.
The
proper
way
to
do
that
is
to
get
in
touch
with
staff,
and
they
will
they
will
relay
your
comments
to
us.
Thank
you.
B
Excuse
me
chair
no
upcoming
issues.
We
have
a
planning
commission
meeting
a
special
meeting
of
plan
the
commission
scheduled
for
july
29th
and
that
will
take
place
during
what
would
normally
be
your
summer
break.