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A
Okay,
item
number
four
written
comments:
are
there
any
written
comments,
announcements
or
continuances
at
this
time.
D
Chair
there's
one
email
that
was
received
late
this
afternoon
in
regards
to
item
7a
on
the
agenda.
It's
on
their
staff
will
address
it
briefly
during
the
presentation.
A
Okay,
thank
you
item
number.
Five
is
public
comments.
Now
is
the
time
for
public
comment.
At
this
time,
any
person
may
address
the
commission
regarding
a
city
planning
matter.
That
is
not
on
this
evening's
agenda.
Should
the
commission
wish
to
discuss
an
issue
raised
by
a
member
of
the
public.
The
issue
will
be
referred
to
staff
for
scheduling
on
a
future
agenda.
A
Anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
under
public
comments
must
complete
a
speaker
card
and
file
it
with
the
recording
secretary
before
the
public
comments.
Portion
of
the
agenda
is
called.
The
speaker's
remarks
should
be
redressed
to
the
commission
as
a
whole
and
not
to
an
individual
commissioner
or
staff
member
unless
otherwise
provided
by
the
commission.
Speakers
are
limited
to
five
minutes.
A
A
Item
number
six:
the
consent
calendar
with
the
minutes
of
july,
8th
2019..
Do
any
of
my
fellow
commissioners
have
any
comments
or
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
would
move
that
we
approve
the
minutes.
C
Hearing
having
been
advertised
as
required
by
law,
is
hereby
open
to
consider
agenda
item
7a
case
number
sup201970537
to
approve
a
special
use
permit
to
allow
an
electronic
waste
facility
to
occupy
approximately
twenty
three
thousand
four
hundred
eighteen
square
feet
of
an
existing
approximate,
sixty
four
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eighty
square
foot,
two
story:
multi-tenant
industrial
building
on
a
3.31
acre
parcel
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
rancho
canal,
industrial
park,
specific
plan
sb15
and
is
zoned
m1
industrial
park
located
at
2001
anchor
court
b.
The
applicant
is
pc
recycling.
D
Sheriff
I
made
before
don
begins
this
presentation.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
him.
This
is
actually
his
first
item
before
this
commission
don
is
also
one
of
the
new
members
of
the
planning
staff
that
we
hired
away
from
another
local
city
and
we're
very
happy
to
have
don
here
on
board
he's
already
proven
himself
in
many
different
ways.
A
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
parker
chair
and
members
of
planning,
commission
and
members
of
the
public.
As
stated
previously,
the
request
is
to
allow
an
electronic
waste
facility
to
occupy
approximately
24
000
square
feet
of
an
existing,
approximately
60
5000
square
foot.
Multi-Tenant
industrial
building.
F
The
project
site
is
located
within
the
rancho
canejo
industrial
area
of
the
city,
and
it
is
located
specifically
at
the
corner
of
anchor
court
and
rancho
conejo
boulevard.
The
surrounding
areas
are
all
primarily
industrial
uses
or
uses
that
are
allowed
within
the
m1
zone,
and
the
closest
residential
area
is
to
the
north
northeast
of
the
site.
As
you
can
see
on
this
image,
the
planet
commission
review
is
required
for
this
particular
item.
F
Since
the
municipal
code
requires
that
a
use
permit
for
a
recycling
center
be
required
within
the
m1
zone,
the
thousand
the
administrative
I'm
sorry,
my
process
went
out
the
window.
The
thousand
oaks
municipal
code
does
not
provide
for
any
administrative
permit
path
forward,
for
this
particular
use.
F
A
little
bit
of
background
on
the
project
site
back
in
1979,
the
ventura
county,
approved
a
development
permit
for
a
54
000
square
foot,
multi-tenant
building,
which
is
actually
the
subject
building
then
fast
forwarding
to
1991
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
actually
approved.
It
was
a
range
of
conejo
industrial
park
annexation
and
then,
a
year
later,
the
city
council
approved
it
was
the
adoption
of
specific
plan
15,
which
is
the
rancho
conejo
industrial
park,
specific
plan,
and
then
in
2014
the
planning
commission
actually
approved.
F
It
was
another
use
permit
in
the
same
in
the
same
building
for
an
indoor
sports
facility
and
that
sports
facility
is
actually
it's
an
adjacent
tenant
to
the
to
the
proposed
use.
Here
we
have
some
of
the
site
locations
for
the
for
the
building.
It's
the
this
is
the
south
east
corner
of
the
site.
F
Here
we
have,
this
is
the
middle
portion
of
the
building
pc
recycling
is
proposed
to
occupy
the
central
portion
of
the
of
the
said
building,
and
here
we
have.
This
is
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site
as
well.
F
This
particular
image
this
actually
shows
this
is
the
rear
portion
of
the
site
and
it's
the
existing
rear
parking
area
access
driveway
and
this
driveway
does
connect
directly
onto
rancho
county
hill
boulevard.
F
The
proposed
project
for
the
e-waste
facility
primarily
focuses
on
household
electronics.
However,
they
do
accept
electronics
from
the
commercial
sector
as
well
as
the
general
public.
An
example
of
this
would
be
if
a
hotel
is
going
through
and
doing
a
remodel.
All
the
electronic
devices
contained
within
that
hotel
could
then
be
sent
to
this
particular
facility,
or,
if
you
were
to
go
through
and
replace
all
of
your
electronic
devices
in
your
house,
you
can
then
drop
off
the
old
obsolete
devices
at
this
particular
facility
as
well.
F
After
pc
recycling
receives
the
those
materials
they
dismantle
the
components
down
to
their
base
down
to
the
base
materials
and
then
package,
all
of
those
materials
up
for
shipping
to
other
facilities
that
are
off-site,
so
no
actual
breakdown
or
hard
manufacturing
or
processing
actually
occurs
on
the
site.
F
F
The
facility
also
averages
approximately
four
truck
trips
each
day,
either
going
to
to
collect
materials
or
materials
being
sent
to
the
actual
facility,
and
the
applicant
did
indicate
they
receive
about
two
public
drop
drop
offs
each
day.
This
facility
would
be
open
to
the
general
public,
not
just
thousand
oaks
residents
based
upon
those
numbers,
the
expected
and
also
any
projected
vehicle
trips.
They
do
not
exceed
any
established
special
thresholds
that
the
city
has
here.
We
can
also
see
these.
Are
the
applicants
proposed
hours
of
operations,
the
city?
F
F
Additionally,
the
project
is
located
within
the
m1
zone,
the
existing
building,
so
the
existing
site
conditions
all
conform
to
the
applicable
zoning
requirements.
Additionally,
the
proposed
use
will
not
alter
any
the
exterior
of
the
building.
It
will
not
add
any
new
square
footage
to
the
building
and
it
will
not
alter
the
site
based
upon
that
staff
did
not
conf
conduct
a
development
reviews,
development
standards
review
and
also
because
this
is
strictly
for
use
permit.
F
Only
since
there
is
no
construction
exterior
construction
involved,
however,
staff
did
conduct
a
parking
analysis
for
the
site
in
order
to
ensure
that
there
was
enough
parking
located
on
site
for
for
all
uses.
We
can
come
back
to
this
particular
slide
if
the
commission
wishes,
but
just
to
point
out
all
existing
uses
on
the
site
only
require
approximately
100
parking
spaces,
whereas
the
site
does
provide
for
146
parking
spaces,
so
there's
still
ample
parking
with
the
existing
uses.
There
special
use
permits
they
for
the
city.
F
They
are
intended
to
really
to
evaluate
business
operations
and
uses
that
may
or
may
not
be
appropriate
for
given
locations,
and
this
is
really
the
evaluation
for
the
proximity
to
sensitive
use,
receptors
and
we'll
get
into
the
what
those
are
in
just
a
moment
also
the
conditions
in
those
case
they
are
they're
imposed
on
the
special
use,
permit
and
they're
very
site-specific,
and
so
city
staff
does
tailor
those
conditions
for
what's
being
proposed.
F
The
proposed
use
is
not
located
within
any
within
400
feet
of
any
of
the
identified
sensitive
uses,
as
defined
by
the
municipal
code.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
closest
sensitive
use
are
a
single-family
residential
and
they
are
approximately
700
feet
to
700
feet
to
the
northeast.
F
This
particular
project
is
categoric
categorically
exempt
from
seqa
pursuant
to
section
15308,
since
this
action
is
taken
by
the
city
in
order
for
the
to
protect
the
environment,
no
exceptions
apply
to
defeat
the
exemption
of
note.
As
mr
kelvin
had
stated
previously,
staff
did
receive
a
public
communication
from
the
project
coordinator
objecting
to
a
particular
condition.
F
So,
in
conclusion,
the
proposed
use
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan,
the
rancho
conejo
specific
plan,
as
well
as
the
municipal
code.
It
complies
with
all
the
applicable
laws,
regulations
and
policies.
It
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
or
general
welfare.
The
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
seqa
and
the
project
will
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
land
uses,
since
this
is
in
industrial
use
located
within
an
industrial
industrially
designated
area
of
the
city
that
does
contain
other
industrial
uses.
F
G
F
So
staff's
analysis
parking
analysis
is
based
upon
what's
located
on
site,
we
do
not
control
any
of
the
lease
agreements,
and
so
that
is
a
private
contract
between
the
the
applicant
and
the
the
property
owner.
Okay,.
G
I'll
follow
up
with
the
applicant
as
well,
but
is
it
you're
saying
that
of
the
55
referenced
in
the
applicant's
letter
staff
survey
found
only
40
of
those
on-site?
Is
that
correct.
D
If
I
may,
if
you
don't
mind,
if
I
may
jump
in
here
a
little
bit,
the
analysis
conducted
by
staff
is
just
a
minimum
requirement
per
the
code
and
the
table
prepared
by
mr
nielsen.
For
this.
He
indicated
that
there's
a
surplus
of
parking
on
site,
so
he
was
correct
in
stating
that
the
landlord
has
the
ability
to
assign
a
higher
number
of
spaces
to
any
particular
tenant,
particularly
when
they're
in
surplus.
F
And
just
just
a
clarification
so
looking
at
at
table
one,
we
do
have
it's
the
required
parking
for
suite
b.
The
industrial
use
requires
it's
the
40,
but
then
there's
the
incidental
offices,
which
require
14.
F
That
is
correct.
Under
the
provided
parking
they
are
provided
for
55
parking
spaces
which
is
and
proposed
use
only
triggers
54
parts.
G
F
So
back
in
2003,
the
state
adopted
the
california
electronic
waste
recycling
act
which
is
sb20
and
then
in
2004.
The
state
also
adopted
sb15.
So
those
two
bills
combined
allow
the
department
of
toxic
toxic
substance
control
to
update
the
regulations
in
order
to
classify
electronic
waste
as
universal
waste.
F
So
then
in
2009
the
dtsc
updated
the
regulations
to
have
that
to
do
the
clarification
of
updating
or
where
electronic
waste
is
universal
waste,
but
there's
a
caveat
to
it
where
the
state
actually
put
in
additional
regulations
onto
that.
So
you
have
universal
waste,
but
any
handlers
that
of
the
electronic
materials.
They
actually
have
additional
regulatory
actions
that
they
have
to
abide
by.
F
So,
even
though
it's
kind
of
a
hazardous
waste
light
and
it's
kind
of
in
that
gray,
area
between
universal
waste
and
hazardous
waste,
and
the
reason
behind
that
is
because
the
majority
of
the
electronic
waste
does
not
is
not
composed
of
hazardous
materials.
Electronic
waste
does
contain
trace
amounts
of
those
materials
specifically
like
lead,
cadmium
and
mercury
and
all
of
those
materials.
F
So
any
of
the
hazardous
materials
they
have
to
they're
under
strict
packaging
guidelines
that
are
then
sent
to
an
off-site
facility
and
based
upon
all
of
the
the
state
regulations,
so
sp20
and
sb50,
there's
enough
the
the
regulations
that
the
project
can
be
exempt
due
to
the
reliance
on
the
state
laws.
Additionally,
there
are
federal
regulations
that
do
govern
the
disposal
of
those
particular
materials
as
well.
F
And
staff
did
contact,
cal,
recycle
and
the
dtsc
for
the
confirmation
of
the
of
the
state
laws
and
the
processing
and
handling
of
these
materials.
So
we
do
have
that
confirmation
from
those
two
agencies.
G
B
Good
sheriff
I
mean
mr
newman,
you
have
a
great
point
about
this.
We
don't
usually
use
class
aid
as
far
as
an
exemption
and
mr
nielsen
is
correct,
there's
actually
a
regulations,
california,
code
of
regulations
that
actually
have
new
definitions
and
they
define
these
uses
that
he's
going
to
have
for
this
location
as
the
universal
waste,
as
mr
nielsen
said.
So
it
does
meet
that
exception
and
because
you
have
all
these
regulations
by
the
state
and
federal
government,
we're
able
to
use
that
exemption.
F
E
Thank
you,
mr
nielsen.
That
was
a
great
report
and
welcome
to
the
process.
Thank
you
for
going
through
the
process
with
us
just
a
quick
question
that
was
actually
my
first
was
about
the
public,
but
the
second
I
kind
of
want
to
get
a
little
more
definition
on
this.
One
item
that
we
have
the
email
on.
F
Yeah,
so
the
identified
containers
in
the
eml
would
be
considered
outdoor
storage
for
the
municipal
codes
definition
as
contained
within
the
applicant's
submitted
materials.
It
was
indicated
that
there
were
no,
that
there
would
be
no
outdoor
storage
of
any
kind
and
all
operations
would
be
contained
within
the
interior.
F
It
stated
that
in
the
in
the
applicant's
narrative,
which
is
attachment
number
five
and
the
if
there
are,
if
there
is
any
proposed
outdoor
storage,
it
is
typically
seen
on
the
actual
site
plan
and
the
approved
the
submitted
site
plan
did
not
contain
any
locational
criteria
for
outdoor
storage.
Hence
the
reason
behind
this
condition:
number
10..
E
F
F
Given
that
staff
was
unaware
of
the
desire
to
have
outdoor
storage,
we
were
not
able
to
conduct
a
proper
and
now
proper
analysis
with
that
in
mind,
so
we
we
cannot
actually
speak
to
the
provision
of
outdoor
storage
at
this
mall.
At
this
time,.
D
If
I
may,
for
this
particular
item,
I
don't
think
a
continuance
would
be
warranted,
as
I
think
there's
enough
information
presented
to
make
a
decision
on
item.
As
with
any
case,
the
opportunity
for
a
modification
exists
per
our
municipal
code,
whether
it's
in
the
condition,
approval
or
not.
So
in
this
instance
being
how
we
noticed
the
hearing
to
the
neighbors
and
it
was
presented
and
evaluated
by
staff.
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
leave
the
condition,
as
is,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
the
municipal
code
does
allow
for
provisions
for
modification
understood.
A
B
One
of
the
challenges
we
have
is
the
condition
that
we
wrote
was
based
upon
the
information
we
had
at
the
time,
and
so
the
change
is
something
that
could
create
a
need
to
evaluate
not
just
a
site
plan
but
to
understand
the
owner
of
the
whole
complex
as
to
parking
issues
that
they
might
have
or
not
have
at
this.
You
know
at
this
point,
just
by
looking
at
a
30
000
foot
review
review
of
it.
B
It
looks
like
there
might
be
enough
parking,
but
you
have
to
do
that
analysis
and
you
have
to
make
sure
there
are.
There
are
no
other
leases
that
might
be
impacted
by
a
loss
of
parking,
because
this
is
going
to
take
away.
If
you
look
at
table
five,
as
mr
newman
mentioned,
there's
a
54
parking
spaces
required
for
this
location.
B
So
if
you
subtract
12
or
a
dozen
whatever
it's
going
to
be
a
10
or
a
dozen,
then
you
might
be
looking
at
a
loss
of
that
and
then
how
do
you
gain
that
back
through
the
other
other
spots
certainly
possible?
So
then
you
look
at
the
mechanism
of
what
that
would
take
and
it
might
take
a
minor
modification,
for
example,
and
when
you
look
at
a
minor
modification
there
might
be
a
notice.
B
There
might
be
someone
who's
not
upset
about
that,
because
now
there
are
bins
outside
and
so
that
might
be
an
administrative
hearing
it
might
go.
There
could
be
other
situations
that
could
happen,
so
I
think
you
might
hear
from
applicant.
They
were
to
ask
for
a
request.
I
won't
speak
for
them,
but
I
assume
they're
going
to
ask
for
a
request,
as
they
did
in
the
email
to
change
that
condition.
That'll
be
before
you
tonight,
but
right
now,
staff's
position
is
that
we're
going
to
keep
the
condition
as
written
right
now.
B
H
Yes,
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
loading
dock
in
the
back.
Is
that
currently
being
used
for
the
facility,
and
can
that
be
a
staging
area
for
the
storage
events.
F
So
the
current
suite
is
actually
vacant,
and
so
that's
it
isn't
being
used
in
terms
of
actual
use
for
any
potential
storage
areas.
That
would
be
something
that
we'd
actually
have
to
take
into
evaluation,
considering
it's
any
visibility,
location
of
those
particular
materials
in
terms
of
actual
use.
During
the
operations
of
eventual
operations
of
the
facility,
we
will
have
to
defer
to
the
applicant
on
intended
vision
for
that
loading
dock
area.
A
J
I'm
with
jackson,
titus
law,
firm
and
I'm
here
representing
the
applicant-
and
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
say,
is
to
thank
the
commission
and
the
staff
for
basically
having
the
special
meeting
tonight
to
deal
with
this
issue.
My
client
had
been
notified
that
he
had
his
lease
and
his
former
location
has
been
terminated,
and
this
is
a
service
that
is
an
asset
to
this
community.
J
J
It
was
indicated
that
we
had
sent
a
memo
or
email
that
I
guess
you
got
there
today
and
we're
quite
willing
to
work
with
staff
on
resolving
the
issue
of
the
containers.
Two
containers
come
each
week
with
electric
waste
in
that
electric
waste
is
then
taken
out
of
those
on
a
daily
basis,
re-process
pro
or
dismantled,
and
then
there
are
two
bins
in
which
plastics
go
into
one
bin
and
metals
go
under
the
other
bin.
J
J
We
are
quite
willing
to
work
with
staff
and
give
them
a
new
site
plan
on
that
aspect
and
work
on
ways
we
can
further
screen
if
there
is
an
issue,
those
facilities,
but
the
applicant
is
only
in
business
because
he
processes
thousands
tens
of
thousands
of
electrical
devices
on
a
monthly
basis.
J
J
He
is
reviewed
by
various
state
agencies
as
well
as
a
organization
that
does
regular
audits,
become
surprise
visits.
They
aren't
announced
they
come
and
knock
on
the
door,
and
here
we
are
to
see
how
you're
handling
everything
and
they
have
a
lot
of
regulations.
This
is
not
a
unregulated
business.
This
is
a
heavily
regulated
business
and
he
has
operated
10
years
with
no
violations
with
a
perfect
clean
record.
So
he
is
doing
a
good
job
at
what
he's
doing
and
it's
a
job
that's
needed.
J
We
all
have
electrical
devices
in
all
our
homes
and,
frankly,
those
electric
devices
yeah.
They
may
have
hazardous
waste
in
them,
but
they're
in
your
house,
they're
in
your
garage
and
the
issue
in
this
state
is
how
do
we
properly
recycle
those
and
take
care
of
that?
That
waste
and
it's
interesting
because
in
the
last
couple
months
the
countries
in
southeast
asia
have
refused
to
accept
hazard
electrical
devices
electrical
waste
from
the
united
states.
J
G
Thank
you,
mr
sellers.
The
business
about
the
outdoor
storage
is
substantially
different
than
the
applicant's
narrative
that
was
submitted
and
the
notice
that
went
out
to
the
public.
That
was
five
days
ago,
and
we
just
got
word
about
this
five
minutes
before
the
meeting.
Why
the
big
change
at
the
last
minute.
G
K
J
Sent
it
to
my
client
who
then
raised
this
issue,
says
yeah:
we've
got
these
bins,
delivery,
bins
and
sort
of
like
a
trash
bin.
For
I
mean
businesses
have
trash
bins
in
the
back.
Is
that
storage?
The
issue
is,
we
do
have
some
large
bins
and
containers
and
we
have
to
deal
with.
How
can
we
hide
those?
How
can
we
make
sure
there's
no
issue
with
with
the
neighbors
and
the
neighbors
are
aware
of
his
his
use,
so
they
haven't
expressed
any
opposition
so
far.
J
G
G
J
L
Fulton
connor,
my
residence
is
in
oak
park.
Business
location
is
in
newberry
park.
The
reason
the
confusion
here
and
I
apologize
is
we
don't
store
anything
outside
these
things
come
and
go
on
a
rotational
basis.
So
when
I
saw
the
word
storage
on
the
document
which
I
just
saw
today,
I
did
raise
a
question
as
to
for
clarification
on
it.
There
was
no
deceit
on
our
part
because
we
don't
we
don't
leave
anything
out
there.
L
That's
not
the
intent
of
what
we're
doing
it's
just
bringing
this
material
in
large
volume,
so
we
can
process
it
and
get
it
out
in
large
volumes.
There's
nothing
left
out.
Nobody
sees
anything
except
for
the
container
itself
and
unless
you
were
very
observant,
you
would
see
that
there
did.
There
are
different
numbers
on
the
containers
on
a
very
weekly
basis
to
you,
the
casual
observer.
They
may
look
the
same
being
there
all
the
time,
but
no,
they
that's
how
we're
bringing
material
in
and
out.
G
Yes
right,
they
are
so
containers
are
being
brought
in
from
the
outside
offloaded
from
from
a
truck
container,
sits
there
in
the
parking
lot.
So
staff
takes
pieces
from
that
container.
L
It's
in
it's
in
one:
it's
in
one
movement:
if
you
will
the
containers
open
the
materials
taken
out
brought
in
so
inside,
and
then
it's
dismantled.
Okay,
the
containers,
so
you
know,
originate
from
the
landfill,
so
they
aren't
all
the
material
is
not
allowed
to
be
buried
in
the
landfill.
It's
diverted
into
the
container
at
which
point
is
sent
to
us
to
be
completely
dismantled
and
we
rotate
those
containers
in
and
out
on
their
behalf.
G
Landlords
and
neighbors
specifically
asked
and
were
they
specifically
okay
about
the
outside
storage
of
control,.
G
L
Look
with
what
I
do,
I
can't
have
any
surprises
sure.
So,
yes,
I
discuss
truck
traffic.
You
know
potential
in
and
out
the
containers
that
we
have
coming
in
and
out,
and
additionally,
I'd
also
like
to
address
the
parking,
because
I
only
have
20
employees
and
we
made
sure
that
we're
allotted
enough
spaces
specifically
for
this
reason.
G
I
Okay,
just
a
couple
quick
questions,
so
the
storage
containers
come
from
a
landfill,
they've
got
the
stuff,
you
offload
it
and
then
it's
separated,
and
then
it
goes
back
into
the
containers
and
where
do
they
go
from
there?
I'm
just
I'm
just
trying
to
follow
the
process
for
how
this
recycling
works.
L
K
I
L
I
Perfect
and
then
I
had
one
more
question
as
far
as
materials:
do
you
have
batteries
other
flammable.
L
L
E
And
I'm
assuming
there
are
they
locked
in
any
way?
Are
they
contained
in
some
way,
so
people
can't
just
all
of
a
sudden
come
up
and
take.
L
It's
usually
based
on
the
trucking
company
that
I
work
with.
I
call
them.
Let
them
know
that
they're
ready,
they've,
been
cleaned
out
and
they're
ready
to
be
picked
up,
and
it
usually
happens
within
a
two
or
three
day
period
of
that
phone.
Call,
it's
not
a
it's
not
on
it
happens
on
every
tuesday
at
it
doesn't
work
that
way.
So.
J
G
L
We
have
we're
it's
the
same
containers
we're
discussing
today
the
difference
between
my
current
facility
and
our
new
facility
is
we
have
an
outdoor
area
that
we're
doing
dismantling
outdoor
it
is
covered,
but
with
still
outdoor
dismantling.
Okay,
that's.
L
A
L
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
we
have
no
speaker
cards.
F
Thank
you
chair
so
again
for
in
terms
of
just
this,
outdoor
storage
staff
was
unaware
of
it.
Just
given
the
submitted
materials
that
indicated
that
there
was
no
contemplated,
exterior
alterations
to
the
building
or
to
the
site.
F
Even
if
the
containers
would
be
transient
in
nature,
we
would
still
ask
that
they
would
be
appear
on
the
site
plan
and
the
site
plan
did
not
indicate
any
location
for
storage
containers,
either
permanent
or
transient
in
nature.
H
Can
I
make
a
comment
sure,
can
this
can
a
storage
facility
or
storage
bins
be
as
a
temporary
use,
be
under
administrative
permit
like
a
temporary
use
permit
and
not
a
condition,
as
opposed
to
this
staff
report,.
F
Yet
not
in
this
particular
case,
given
the
nature
of
the
use,
a
temporary
use
permit
is
more
for
different
type
of
activities
and
everything
else
that
this
is
more
in
terms
of
an
operational
standard
that
is
key
to
the
actual
operation
of
the
facility
itself.
So
we
would
be
looking
for
for
it
to
be
incorporated
into
actual
plans
and
the
submitted
materials
to
staff.
F
F
Correct
because
there's
multiple
different
aspects
to
the
actual
code
that
could
impact
the
potential
location
of
the
sites,
also
parking
analysis
and
other
site
conditions.
I
D
If
I
can
add
to
that
and
part
of
staff's
reasoning
with
that
is,
this
item
was
noticed
as
all
the
operations
being
inside
this
particular
operation
is
exterior
to
that
building.
J
D
Is
not
how
it
was
noticed
to
the
public.
Additionally,
there
are
screening
requirements
that
would
have
to
be
evaluated.
This
is
not
something
that
we
would
want
visible
from
the
public
right
away.
They
haven't
given
us
a
site
plan
where
we
can
evaluate
that,
and
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
condition
to
help
them
screen
that
in
some
particular
way.
D
And
I
believe
the
applicant's
representative
noted
that
they
were
willing
to
work
with
staff
after
this.
I
A
Ken
you
do
have
a
five
minute
rebuttal.
Could
you
come
up
and
just
say
that
for
the
record
that
if
we
approve
it,
you're
willing
to
work
with
staff
to
make
it
workable.
K
B
If
I
may
share
just
hearing
that
the
comments
from
the
commissioners
and
and
obviously
the
applicant's
request
and
comments,
maybe
we
could
clarify
the
condition
10,
which
is
in
the
last
attachment
on
page
9
of
12
of
that
attachment,
and
this
is
the
condition
10
is
the
one
that
we've
been
referring
to
and
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
opening
for
you.
B
B
So
I
have
mine
up
so
one
of
the
suggestions,
mr
newman
and
and
commissioners
would
be
to
modify
the
condition
number
10,
and
if
you
look
at
the
condition,
there's
a
last
section
that
reads
unless
otherwise
approved
by
the
community
development,
director
or
department.
It
reads
I
would
suggest
we
modify
it
to
so.
You
have
the
condition
which
would
read.
No
outside
open
storage
of
any
kind
shall
be
permitted
on
the
site,
including
recycled
materials,
packaged
materials
or
materials
with
containers.
B
It's
oh
here
we
go
okay,
crazy
night.
Okay,
I
think
listening
to
the
applicant's
testimony
about
the
process
and
hearing
your
comments,
I'm
thinking
of
a
way
that
that
the
difficulty
staff
has
tonight
frankly
at
this
time
is
what
the
mechanism
would
be
to
ensure
that
we're
evaluating
this
this
use
properly.
Right.
Yes,.
G
B
Heard
the
testimony
I'm
not
I'm,
not
questioning
the
testimony
from
the
applicant.
What
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
we
just
don't
have
a
open
kind
of
error
of
the
what
the
director's
requirements
are
going
to
be
for
you
as
commissioners
to
understand
what
he
would
have
to
do
to
evaluate
this,
and
it
might
I'm
not
saying
it
will,
but
it
might
include
some
type
of
minor
modification
which
might
require
notice.
I'm
not
saying
it
would
tonight,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
want
to
have
make
sure
that
we're
clear
about
he
has.
B
B
B
All
right,
I'm
sorry,
because
we
have
two
different
things
happening
here,
but
so
condition
number
10
would
be
outside
storage
as
a
heading.
The
condition
would
be
no
outside
open.
Storage
of
any
kind
shall
be
permitted
on
the
site,
including
recycled
materials,
packaged
materials
or
materials
with
can
within
containers.
K
A
H
Mr
here,
just
to
clarify
this
condition
does
not
require
them
to
come
back
to
planning
commission
with
the
site
plant
design,
review
right.
B
But
again
the
goal
would
be
to
have
the
director
make
a
decision
on
this
matter
with
the
information
provided
right
again
requiring
requiring
additional
documentation,
of
course,
making
sure
that
we
are
doing
our
job
as
planners
to
ensure
that
these
things
are
being
evaluated,
and
I
don't
think
the
condition
as
set
is,
is
a
little
bit
too
broad
there.
Yes
again,
I
understand
the
need
for
speed,
but
we
also
have
a
tough
situation
here
tonight.
K
G
B
And
then
really
quick,
madam
chair,
I
just
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
with
the
applicant
of
what
the
condition
is
going
to
be
if
they're
going
to
accept
the
condition.
As
I
read
it,
if
that's
what
you
want
the
com,
the
commissioners
need
to
decide
if
you
want
the
condition
as
currently
written
number
10
or
as
I
just
reread
with
the
changes
I
put
in
and
then
you
have
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant's
clear
on
that
condition
and
agrees
that
condition.
A
G
The
second
administrative
question
I
have
is
what
part
of
the
hearing
are
we
in?
Are
we
still
in
the
public
hearing
or.
B
G
G
G
G
G
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so,
sir,
the
the
the
condition
is
that
it
is
prohibited
unless
the
community
development
director
does
the
review
and
approves
it.
So
you
are
correct.
B
Again,
I
have
to
caution
everybody
that
I
can't
assume
that
this
change
is
going
to
be
someone's
not
going
to
be
upset
about
it
and
want
to
have
a
hearing
on
it.
I'm
I
don't
think
that
would
happen,
but
I
can't
assume
that
so
I
got
to
make
sure
that
the
director
has
an
ability
to
make
decisions
through
a
process
that
he
deems
is
appropriate
for
that
review.
G
F
A
F
If
we
may
be
permitted,
we
can
actually
try
and
edit
the
condition
number
10
live
just
so
everyone
can
see
the
exact
text
of
what
mr
has
been
has
been
stating
as
well.
F
So,
mr
ear,
I
I
last
ended
up
on
community
development
department
and
if
we
can,
if
you
can
humor
me
and
state
your
proposed
condition
language
one
more
time
right.
F
B
So
it
would
be
no
outside
open.
Storage
of
any
kind
shall
be
permitted
on
the
site,
including
recycled
materials,
packaged
materials
or
materials
within
containers.
There
should
be
no
outside
containers
for
the
purposes
of
storing
items
such
as
cargo
containers,
unless
otherwise
approved
through
an
evaluation
process
set
by
the
community
development
direct
department
director,
including
any
necessary
notices
and
documents
deemed
required
by
the
director.
A
J
D
We
are
willing
to
work
with
the
applicant
on
that.
I
can't
speak
to
the
timing
of
the
director's
calendar
in
terms
of
that
in
terms
of
your
project.
Planner
is
available
to
you.
Obviously,
this
is
something
that's
happening
on
short
notice.
However,
we're
still
going
to
need
time
to
properly
evaluate
any
changes
that
are
proposed.
I
don't
want
to
leave
you
with
the
impression
that
this
is
something
that
would
necessarily
be
an
over-the-counter
process,
which
is
why
this
came
up
this
evening
and
there's
been
a
discussion
on
that.
D
A
G
I
think
perhaps
a
little
discussion
among
among
ourselves
is
probably
warranted
before
anyone
makes
a
motion.
I
I
don't
want
to
leave
the
impression
that
I
want
to
put
mr
connor
or
anyone
else
at
a
disadvantage
here.
I
understand
the
distinction
between
containers
being
outside
and
storage
of
e-waste
being
outside.
Those
are
two
different
things:
we're
all
clear
on
that.
G
At
the
same
time,
there's
this
process
concern
where
the
application
has
brought
to
us,
including
the
applicant's
narrative,
said
all
storage
inside
the
applicant's
narrative
says
that
as
well
and
that's
that's
what
was
advertised
to
the
public
and
to
this
commission,
and
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
on
process
grounds
that
we
were
presented
with
one
thing
and
that
were
approving
something
else
on
very
short
notice.
G
G
Well,
I
have
the
process
concern,
I'm
also
very
sympathetic
to
the
business
activity
of
the
of
any
applicant
and
of
this
applicant
in
particular,
I'm
not
averse
into
in
any
way
to
the
nature
of
the
application
before
us.
It's
just
this
process
issue
of
what
to
do
about
outdoor
storage
of
containers
when
that
wasn't
advertised.
I
Yeah,
I
personally
am
unclear
as
to
I
mean
my
first
question
to
to
them
was:
how
does
your
process
work?
The
first
thing
I
want
to
know
is:
where
does
the
stuff
come
from?
What
does
it
do
there
and
then
how
does
it
go
out
and
that
seems
to
be
kind
of
instrumental
to
how
his
business
functions?
So
I'm
not
sure
why
we
or
how
we
got
to
the
point
where
we're
approving
something
that
doesn't
allow
his
business
to
function
and
and
so
yeah.
I
So
I
I'm
kind
of
in
the
same
boat
as
you
I
feel
like.
What
are
we
saying
yes
to,
except
that
this
guy
can't
can't
run
his
business
and
I'm
I'm
I'm
disappointed
for
him.
I
I
don't
know
where
in
the
process
he
got
lost,
I'm
sorry
that
that
happened,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
resolve
it
quickly
for
him,
because,
like
everybody
else,
I'm
I'm
thrilled
with
with
e-waste
recycling.
I
think
it's
a
very
important
element.
Yeah.
E
I
think
we
all
appreciate
exactly
mr
connor
what
you
want
to
accomplish
and
I
think
we're
all
in
favor
of
the
concept.
Obviously,
I
think
what
we're
all
kind
of
dealing
with
is
not
necessarily
the
substance,
but
the
process,
and
again
you
can
say
to
us
that
you've
talked
all
the
neighbors
and
gotten
all
of
their
agreement.
Understanding
and
that
may
be
true.
E
The
problem
is,
without
the
actual,
some
documentation
notice
to
the
neighbors
of
the
fact
that
there
would
be
these
outside
things
and
keep
in
mind.
Staff
didn't
understand
the
interpretation
either
and
the
neighbors
may
not
either.
So
it's
one
of
those
things
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
make
sure
from
a
transparency
standpoint.
E
We
can
basically
cross
all
the
t's
and
dot
the
eyes
that
this
process
has
been
done
in
a
way
that
nobody
can
come
back
and
say
you
railroaded
this
process
through
without
making
sure
everybody
had
noticed
an
opportunity
to
be
to
respond
with
that
said
again,
I
I
totally
understand
your
frustration.
Believe
me,
I,
I
would
feel
the
same
in
terms
of
what
you
want
to
accomplish
and
I
share
commissioner
bus's
mentality
of
I
don't
want
to
prove
something
just
to
actually
have
you
not
be
successful.
E
That's
why
I
kind
of
implied
it
initially
as
to
whether
or
not
you
wanted
to
continue
this
to
actually
get
that
process
completed,
but
it
sounds
like
we
want
to
move
forward
with
this
and
again
allow
the
director
the
ability
to
have
those
conversations
to
then
have
that
that
ability
to
actually
then
accommodate
the
situation.
If
that's
possible,
I
think
that
actually
is
the
best
of
both
worlds,
and
so
I
would
support
that
concept.
H
Yes,
I
agree
with
all
the
commissioners
consent
as
well.
I'm
supportive
of
mr
here's
a
condition
new
condition,
as
he's
described
here.
My
only
concern
is
in
order
to
expedite
your
time
and
your
business
operations.
We
don't
want
you.
My
feeling
is
not
to
come
back
to
the
planning
commission
for
that
approval.
H
I
feel
that
should
be
an
administrative
approval
at
the
discretion
of
the
community
development
director
and
I'm
hoping
that
staff
will
be
willing
to
work
with
you
quickly
to
to
address
this
issue
and
I'm
sure
they
will,
but
as
a
as
a
planner
by
trait,
you
have
to
go
through
the
planning
process.
Look
at
parking,
look
at
any
visual
appearance
effect
to
neighbors,
and
I'm
sure
that
can
be
sorted
during
this
design
review
process.
G
I'm
I
don't
have
an
opinion
on
whether
it's
whether
approval
of
the
changing
condition
should
be
before
the
commission
or
administrative.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
as
much
as
my
fellow
commissioner
about
the
process
to
say.
I
I
want
to
agree
with
something
commissioner.
Lansin
said
that
that
a
continuance
is
also
a
viable
option,
and
maybe
what
we
should
be
looking
at
is
a
decision
between
whether
we
want
to
vote
on
the
application,
as
is
with
the
changed
language
of
condition,
10
mr
heater
suggested
or
vote
for
continuance.
A
I
would
like
to
express
my
opinion,
I
think,
if
we
vote
for
a
continuance,
there's
the
notice
there's
all
this
time
delay.
I
think
we
need
to
give
this
gentleman
an
answer,
and
I
personally
think
that
this
is
the
type
of
business
we
want
in
our
community,
and
I
feel
that
we
need
to
work
with
him
and
I
sense
that
the
city
wants
to
work
with
him
as
well.
I
I
don't
think
it
would
be
fair
to
to
continue
it,
because
that
adds
so
much
more
time.
This
should
be
handled.
G
I
appreciate
the
the
process
issues
around
the
continuance
that
those
are
all
good
points,
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
I
haven't
heard
anyone
on
the
commission
say
you
say
anything
against
the
business
activity
where
it
sounds
like
we're
all
very
much
in
favor
of
finding
a
way
for
this
applicant's
business
to
continue
uninterrupted.
I
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
check
mr
hayer.
Is
it
legal
for
us
to
abdicate
our
responsibility
and
to
give
it
to
staff,
and
as
far
as
that
section
10
goes,
yeah.
B
So
again,
this
is
why
we
we're
word
in
the
condition
the
way
that
we're
wording.
It
is
simply
to
ensure
that
you
know
I
just
have
to
protect
everybody,
including
commissioners,
that
the
director
is
going
to
be
reviewing
this
whenever
he
reviews
it
and
to
be
clear.
A
approval
tonight
is
approving
this
project.
This
use
with
the
condition,
and
that
condition
is
going
to
say
that
the
director
needs
to
chime
in
on
this.
A
B
Everything
else
he's
fine
with
the
conditions.
It's
just
that
one
issue
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
so
my
hesitation
is
only
in
the
fact
that
I
I'm
going
to
assume
it's
going
to
be.
I'm
I'm
predicting
it's
going
to
be
a
very
simple
process
for
him
to
review.
I
can't
speak
for
it
until
we
review
it,
though,.
B
I
And
mind
we're
both
in
agreement
that
you
know
99
comes
out
of
100
nobody's
going
to
care
about
this,
but
there
is
a
possibility
that
people
are
going
to
start
caring
when
they
find
out.
There's
there's
going
to
be
storage
containers
outside
that
have
that
have
various
e-waste
in
them.
Correct,
okay,.
H
A
B
A
H
Yes,
all
the
numbers
I'd
like
to
make
the
motion
to
approve
special
use.
Permit
2019-70537.
H
Yes,
for
the
sequa.
A
A
Okay,
I
guess
we
move
on
to
department
reports
a
day.
We
evidently
do
not
have
any.
A
D
No
announcements
just
that
we
have
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
on
august
26th.
It
will
be
a
full
agenda
and
we're
looking
forward
to
having
that,
after
the
commission's
break.