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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks Planning Commission - 9/27/21
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Thousand Oaks Planning Commission - September 27, 2021
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Thank
you,
and
now
is
the
time
for
public
comment.
This
time
any
person
may
address
the
commission
regarding
a
city
planning
matter.
That
is
not
on
this
evening's
agenda.
Should
the
commission
wish
to
discuss
an
issue
raised
by
a
member
of
the
public.
The
issue
will
be
referred
to
staff
for
scheduling
on
a
future
agenda.
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Anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
under
public
comments
must
complete
a
speaker
card
and
file
it
with
the
recording
secretary
before
the
public
comments.
Portion
of
the
agenda
is
called.
The
speaker's
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
commission
as
a
whole
and
not
to
an
individual
commissioner
or
staff
member.
Otherwise,
unless
otherwise
posted
by
the
commission,
speakers
are
limited
to
five
minutes.
The
screen
will
show
you
the
remaining
time
you
have.
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The
reason
why
I'm
participating
this
evening
is
because
I
participated
in
a
lot
of
community
meetings
where
the
community
and
thousands
was
asked
how
we
want
our
future
to
look
like
and
what
we
would
like
to
create
or
what
we
need,
and
we
always
talk
about.
We
need
access
to
low
income
housing,
but
we
are
never
able
to
get
past
that
conversation
of
we
need
it.
We're
never
able
to
talk
about.
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Because
I
don't
want
to
think
about
prioritizing
young
people
because
we
want
to.
We
want
them
to
stay
here,
but
then
they
went
to
go
to
school
somewhere
else,
and
then
they
decided
to
go
back
here
because
their
parents
live
here.
That's
not
what
I
would
like.
I
would
like
us
to
prioritize
young
people
who
really
really
want
to
stay
here.
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Thank
you,
as
mentioned,
this
evening's
main
agenda
item
involves
introduction
of
the
city's
2021
through
2029
housing
element
for
initial
planning,
commission
and
public
comment.
I
want
to
note
that
comments
will
continue
to
be
taken
after
tonight's
meeting
up
until
adoption
hearings
to
be
scheduled
for
early
next
year.
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The
documents
posted
on
the
city's
website
for
review
and
direct
comment
on
the
document
for
those
with
access
to
internet
with
us.
This
evening
we
have
our
city
project
team,
including
ian
holt,
senior,
planner
and
project
manager,
kristen
rice,
senior,
planner
and
general
plan
update
project
manager,
veronica
tam
and
associates
is
also
here
to
provide
the
presentation,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
mr
holt
to
make
some
introductory
remarks
before
miss
tam
get
started
with
the
formal
presentation.
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You
good
evening,
chair
bus
vice
chairman,
newman
and
planning
commissioners
so
tonight
before
the
planning
commission
is
the
preliminary
review
of
the
draft
housing
element.
This
housing
element
cycle
represents
a
significant
shift
and
sets
a
new
paradigm
in
housing
production
planning
across
the
state.
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The
arena,
housing
allocation
and
associated
sites
inventory
represent
a
planning
tool
that
to
demonstrate
how
the
city
can
accommodate
the
regional
share
of
housing.
Ultimately,
the
city
can
only
set
the
stage
for
housing
to
occur,
and
construction
of
housing
is
dependent
on
market
conditions
and
primarily
private
investment.
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Furthermore,
properties
identified
in
the
housing
sites
inventory
are
not
required
to
be
developed
for
housing,
nor
do
they
preclude
any
other
property's
ability
to
develop
housing
consistent
with
the
general
plan
updates
land
use
plan
staff.
The
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
is
staff
is
seeking
both
the
public
and
the
planning
commission
input
on
the
proposed
goals
and
programs.
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Specifically,
we
solicit
comments
that
provide
any
local
knowledge
and
experiences
that
can
inform
the
existing
and
future
housing
needs
for
the
residents
of
thousand
oaks.
This
feedback
serves
as
an
important
step
of
incorporating
public
input
on
affirmatively,
furthering
fair
housing
prior
to
submitting
the
draft
housing
element
to
the
state
department
of
housing,
community
development.
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Can
I
double
check?
Everybody
can
see
the
screen
of
the
powerpoint
presentation?
Okay,
good,
yes,
so
just
like
ian
mentioned,
the
housing
element
is
pretty
regulated,
and
so
this
housing
element
presentation
that
I'm
going
to
go
through,
maybe
a
little
bit
technical.
So
if
there
are
questions,
feel
free
to
ask
me
for
clarification
so
tonight
for
the
housing
element.
What
I
would
like
to
go
over
is
what
are
the
basics?
What
are
the
housing
elements?
Why
are
we
doing?
What
we're
doing?
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What
are
the
requirements,
and
particularly
the
most
critical
component
of
the
housing
element?
One
of
the
most
critical
components
of
the
housing
element
is
meeting
your
regional
housing
needs
allocation
and
how
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
is
proposing
to
meet
that,
through
the
general
plan,
update
and
we'll
also
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
new
state
requirements
to
affirmatively,
furthering
fair
housing
and
then,
lastly,
we'll
talk
about
the
housing
programs
that
goes
with
your
land
use
strategy
for
identifying
locations
for
housing.
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The
housing
element
is
strictly
regulated
by
state
law
in
general,
like
general
plan,
other
elements
of
the
general
plan
has
guidelines,
but
the
housing
element
has
statutory
requirements
and
the
state
has
to
review
the
housing
element
for
compliance
with
state
law.
The
agency
responsible
for
that
is
the
state
department
of
housing
and
community
development
hcd,
which
this
is
a
firm,
that
this
is
an
agency
that
you
are
going
to
hear
about
quite
frequently
from
now
on.
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The
housing
element,
because
it's
pretty
prescribed
under
state
law
what
the
requirements
are.
There
are
some
key
components
that
we
have
to
include
in
the
housing
element.
We
need
to
look
at
the
current
and
future
needs
of
thousands
of
not
only
what
your
current
residents
are.
The
needs
are,
but
who
are
going
to
come
in
the
future?
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G
There
are
other
constraints,
such
as
environmental
and
market,
that
you
have
a
little
less
influence
over
regarding
opportunities,
we're
primarily
looking
at
resources
for
site
inventory.
Where
can
housing
occur
over
the
next
eight
years?
So
that's
the
key
component
of
the
housing
element
as
it
relates
to
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
G
Then
we
also
need
to
look
at
your
past
accomplishments.
What
the
city
is
able
to
achieve.
What
works?
What
doesn't
work
in
your
city?
How
we're
going
to
retool
some
of
your
programs
in
order
to
make
them
more
effective,
whether
we
need
to
add
new
programs
in
order
to
provide
housing
opportunities
in
your
community
and
then
last
but
not
least,
the
programs
that
we
need
to
include
in
the
housing
element
to
address
the
needs.
All
of
these
has
to
be
done
in
the
in
a
new
requirement
and
lens
of
affirmatively
furthering
health,
fair
housing.
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G
No
jurisdiction
would
have
a
housing
element
that
combines
the
state
law.
Without
meeting
this
particular
requirement,
you
need
to
increase
housing
production
to
meet
demand
and
particularly
housing.
That's
for
all
income
groups
with
a
variety
of
housing
types
that
can
accommodate
the
diverse
housing
needs
in
the
community.
You
also
need
to
preserve
existing,
affordable
housing.
It
is
expensive
to
build,
affordable
housing,
so
preserving
what
you
currently
have
is
important.
G
You
also
need
to
improve
the
quality
of
existing
housing
in
your
community
and
making
sure
that
housing
is
sound
and
indecent
quality
and
last
facilitate,
as
I
mentioned
before,
facilitate
a
variety
of
housing
types
for
all
income
groups,
particularly
for
those
who
are
considered
to
have
special
needs
under
the
state
law.
Special
needs
groups
are
the
elderly,
disabled,
homeless,
large
households,
households
to
five
or
more
members,
female-headed
households
and
also
farm
workers.
These
are
the
six
defined
groups
of
special
needs.
G
So
now,
let's
dive
in
a
little
bit
in
your
into
the
whole
concept
of
regional
housing
needs
allocation
arena.
This
is
something
a
key
component
of
the
state's
review
of
compliance
with
state
law.
The
regional
housing
needs
allocation
is
a
state
mandated
process.
The
state
hvd
decides
on
how
projects
how
much
housing
growth
is
needed.
Statewide,
and
I
think
that
number
is
about
three
and
a
half
million
units
statewide,
and
then
each
region
will
get
an
allocation.
G
The
southern
california
association
of
government
region
gets
an
allocation
of
1.34
million
units.
Each
county
within
the
sixth
county
region
gets
an
allocation.
Ventura
county
gets
about
twenty
four
hundred
twenty
four
thousand
four
hundred
fifty
two
units.
It's
about
one
at
one
point
less
than
two
percent
of
the
overall
requirement
in
the
skec
region
and
within
the
cities
in
in
the
county.
Every
jurisdiction
gets
in
our
location
as
well.
G
Thousand
oaks
for
the
allocation
is
2621
units
you're
more
comfortable
to
your
neighbor,
like
sydney
valley,
which
gets
a
slightly
larger
number,
the
other
jurisdictions
their
population
is
higher.
They
get
a
larger
number,
but
generally
you're,
more
comfortable
to
the
city
of
simi
valley.
This
whole
concept
of
regional
housing
needs
allocation,
though
by
definition
is
not
necessarily
the
housing
demand
created
within
your
community
or
generated
from
within
your
community.
G
The
arena
is
divided
into
income
categories,
very
low
income
people
who
make
no
more
than
50
of
the
area.
Median
income,
low
income
about
80,
moderate
income,
about
120
above
moderate
income
at
120
or,
more
and
generally
about
47
of
your
arena,
is
allocated
to
lower
income
households
in
terms
of
planning
for
it
and
then
about
33
to
above
modern
income.
I
have
to
emphasize,
though
this
is
not
necessarily
mean
that
you're
building
the
units
and
this
kind
of
income
distribution,
because
it
is
very
expensive
to
build
affordable
housing,
particularly
at
lower
income.
G
The
arena
is
a
planning
goal.
It
requires
that
you
plan
for
it
and
it
uses
in
density
as
a
proxy
to
feasibility.
So
you
must
identify
sites
that
are
at
adequate
density
and
development
standards
that
can
potentially
facilitate
lower
income,
housing
or
modern
income
housing
above
modern
income.
Housing
we'll
go
into
that
a
little
bit
more
more
later.
G
On
specifically
in
the
housing
element,
we
must
identify
sites
with
appropriate
zoning
and
development
standards
to
fully
accommodate
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation
by
income
group,
and,
like
I
mentioned
before,
what
we
need
to
identify
sites
are
sites
that
are
either
vacant
or
considered
underutilized
and
with
near-term
development
potential,
and
we
can
already.
We
can
also
count
some
of
the
sites
that
may
may
have
housing.
That's
already
planned
for
it
or
approved
on
it,
but
haven't
actually
been
built.
We
cannot,
we
can
get,
we
can
get
credits
for
it.
G
G
The
state
in
in
the
last
few
years,
particularly
since
2017,
has
passed
a
lot
of
new
laws
governing
how
housing
has
to
be
provided
by
local
jurisdictions.
One
of
that
critical
piece
of
legislation
is
ab1397
adequate
sites
which
established
that
basically,
sites
that
are
too
small
or
too
large
are
not
feasible.
G
There
is
all
there
are
also
new
state
law
govern
something
called
no
net
loss,
a
b
s
sv
166.
That's
that's
also
passed
in
2016
17,
which
requires
that
you
to
continue
continuously
monitor
your
capacity
for
for
housing
development
and
whether
you
continue
to
have
adequate
sites
for
your
arena
for
all
income
category
as
housing
is
being
developed
in
in
your
city,
as
sites
are
being
built.
G
The
requirement
is
that
you
do
not
over
concentrate
the
higher
density,
housing
or
the
potential
for
lower
income
housing
in
just
one
specific
location.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
the
way
you're
doing
land
use,
planning
or
housing
planning
in
a
way
that
provides
diversity
and
also
locational
choices
that
so
that
people
have
the
ability
to
to
access
resources
and
amenities
throughout
the
community.
G
So
in
looking
at
how
to
meet
the
regional
housing
media
location,
we
definitely
look
at
your
pipeline
projects,
projects
that
are
entitled
approved,
but
not
yet
permitted
until
july.
1St
2021,
the
cutoff
point
for
credits
is
actually
july.
First,
anything
that
we
are
we're
permitting
on
or
after
july.
First
we
can.
We
can.
We
can
count
it
towards
our
credit,
but
if
this
project
has
permitted
before
that,
we
would
not
be
able
to
count
it
to
us
a
six
cycle.
We
can
only
count
it
towards
the
fifth
cycle.
G
G
G
We're
not
allowed
to
look
at
how
many
potential
sites
or
parcels
can
accommodate
an
adus
and
then
and
then
project
how
many
units
you're
going
to
be
able
to
accommodate
for
80
years.
We
can
only
anticipate
if
you
use,
based
on
trends
between
2018
and
2020,
how
many
units
have
you
permitted?
What's
the
average
and
therefore
project
that
average
into
the
future
for
the
eight
year
cycle,
and
then
the
balance
of
your
regional
housing
media
location?
G
The
arena
again
is
2621
units
based
on
your
historical
trend
of
getting
adus
we're
only
able
to
get
about
20
to
21
units
a
year
with
the
potential
of
168
units
over
eight
years.
The
income
distribution
is
primarily
based
on
a
survey
study
conducted
by
this
by
stag
southern
california
association
of
governments.
G
G
G
This
new
land
use
map
gives
us
the
the
capacity
that
we
can
use
in
order
to
identify
sites
most
of
the
new
housing
sites.
We're
looking
at
is
going
to
primarily
rely
on
recycling
commercial
sites
and
rest
to
residential
mixed
use.
Development,
which
is
allowed
under
your
preferred
land
use
map,
specifically
in
your
mixed
use,
load
destination,
allows
for
residential
and
mixed
use,
development
and
a
minimum
density
of
20
units
to
the
acre
and
a
maximum
of
30
units
to
the
acre.
G
This
is
the
default
density
range
prescribed
by
state
law
as
to
be
feasible
for
lower
income
housing,
and
we,
when
we
look
at
the
site
and
how
we
distribute
the
sites
based
on
income
category,
we
really
looked
at
it
in
in
a
way
that
would
distribute
in
that
in
to
further
affirmatively.
Furthering
fair
housing,
make
sure
that
we're
not
over
concentrating
particular
income
groups
in
specific
locations
so
that
there
will
be
locational
choices.
There
will
be
types
of
housing,
diverse
types
of
housing
throughout
the
community.
G
G
So
this
map
may
be
a
little
bit
small
to
see,
but
we'll
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
again.
We
try
to
distribute
the
sites
throughout
the
community
along
major
corridors
so
that
you
know
there
will
be
more
transit-oriented
kind
of
development
in
your
community
that
take
advantage
of
public
transportation.
G
Looks
useless
sites
these
are
commercial
centers
for
potential
for
mixed-use
development.
What
we
looked
at
as
a
screening
process,
if
we
look
at
the
age
of
the
structures,
we
look
at
the
improvement
to
land
value
ratio,
usually
when
it's
below
one.
That
means
the
land
is
more
valuable
improvements,
but
it
also
usually
means
that
there
hasn't
been
any
significant
like
tenant
improvements
in
the
last
eight
ten
years
or
even
longer.
G
G
G
The
mall
sites
include
the
oaks
mall
and
residents
in
the
mall
owner
both
have
expressed
interest
in
redeveloping
the
space
of
a
mix
of
uses,
and
we
only
talk
about
18
of
them.
The
oak
small,
about
yeah
like
to
accommodate
275
units
and
the
jen
small
site.
We
only
took
the
underutilized
parking
lot
area
for
that
to
accommodate
future
housing,
and
I
think
combined.
The
two
of
them
would
have
425
units
or
could
have
and
then
wrestling
neighborhood
sites.
G
G
G
Just
like
ian
mentioned,
though,
being
identified
in
the
site's
inventory,
does
not
mean
that
you
have
to
develop
test
housing
you
you
can
continue
to
operate
the
way
you
do,
but
you
do
have
the
option
to
develop
as
mixed
use
or
residential
uses
if
you're
not
identified
in
the
in
the
site's
inventory.
It
also
does
not
mean
that
you
cannot
be
developed
either.
G
As
long
as
you
are
consistent
with
the
general
plan
prefer
land
use,
map,
you've,
adopted
or
and
and
your
zoning
implementing
zoning,
then
you
can
develop
just
the
same
way,
but
the
housing
element
requires
that
we
identify
most
sites
that
has
potential
for
near-term
future.
We
have
to
use
some
objective
criteria,
and
so
these
sites
meet
the
objective
criteria.
G
G
These
are
the
five
topics
that
we
must
discuss
in
the
housing
element.
So
one
one
potential
issue
is
that
there's
not
enough
fat
housing,
outreach
and
education
in
in
your
community,
because,
even
though
that
you
do
fund
a
program
it
it,
there
may
be
more
need
than
than
necessary
and
well
there
may
be.
There
should
there's
the
need
for
fair
housing.
Education
is
probably
more
than
the
capacity
that
you
currently
have
with
your
contractor,
and
particularly
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
testing
in
terms
of
fair
housing
issues
in
the
community.
G
So
some
of
the
recommendation
is
to
to
do
testing
more
frequently
secondary
living
patterns
of
concentration
of
minority
and
special
needs
groups.
There
are
a
couple
of
census
tracts
at
the
intersection
of
the
highway
101
and
highway
23,
and
some
of
the
adjacent
census
tracts
that
show
that
concentration,
and
so
the
house
announcement,
particularly
the
the
the
site's
inventory,
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
diverse
that
and
disperse
the
opportunities
for
lower
income,
households
and
minority
households
throughout
the
community.
G
Access
to
opportunities.
There
are
again
some
census
tracts.
That's
been
identified
in
the
state,
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing
data
and
tool
that
has
a
little
bit
less
access
to
opportunities
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
city,
disproportionate
needs.
There
are
also
some
census
tracts,
similarly,
primarily
in
the
same
locations.
That's
where
we
have
identified
in
issue
number
two
and
issue
number
three:
that
these
are
areas
where
households
have
more
cost
bourbon
and
overcrowding
issues,
cost
burden
of
people
spending
more
than
30
of
their
household
income
on
housing.
G
G
There
are
five
different
housing
goals
in
your
housing
element,
provide
a
wide
range
of
housing,
opportunities
for
persons
of
all
income
levels,
provide
housing,
opportunities
for
persons
with
special
needs,
and-
and
I
defined
those
groups
before
maintain
and
improve
existing
housing
stock
of
the
city
and
by
reducing
housing
deterioration,
preserve
existing
affordable
housing
opportunities
and
affirmatively
further
into
their
housing.
So
these
are
kind
of
like
the
five
overarching
goals
in
the
housing
element.
G
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
details
one
by
one,
the
programs
under
each
goal,
but
there
are
some
key
new
programs
that
I
want
to
highlight.
The
first
goal
to
provide
a
wide
range
of
housing
opportunities
that
has
the
most
number
of
new
requirements
and
specifically
identify
adequate
sites
and
then
monitor
for
no
net
loss,
make
sure
that
you
have
a
process
to
permit
housing
by
right
if
the
project
includes
20
of
the
units
as
affordable
to
lower
income,
households
on
sites
that
are
identified
as
feasible
for
lower
income.
G
So
that's
a
new
state
law
requirement
for
projects
with
20,
affordable
units
accessory
dwelling
units.
We
are
required
to
facilitate
adu
constructions
and
monitor
your
trend
to
make
sure
that
you're
meeting
your
your
projections
lot:
consolidation,
because
sites
that
are
less
than
half
an
acre,
not
consider
an
adequate
size
for
low
income
and
but
then
we
do
have
some
some
smaller
sites
in
your
in
your
site's
inventory.
So
lot
consolidation
is
required.
How
do
you
facilitate
and
encourage
life?
Consolidation
in
your
community
streamlined
review?
There's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
state
law.
G
And
zoning
code
revisions-
that's
program
number
seven,
that's
also
new,
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
in
state
law,
particularly
pertaining
to
affordable
housing
and
housing
for
special
needs
groups.
So
this
particular
zoning
this
program
would
outline
what
type
of
zoning
tools
the
city
would
have
to
do
in
order
to
comply
with
state
law.
G
G
G
You
have
suspended
the
residential
resale
housing
program.
How
to
respect
inspection
on
that.
So
we
will
we
one
of
the
program
action
is
to
use
to
pursue
funding
in
order
to
reinstate
that
the
other
programs
are
continuing
and
you
really,
through
your
cdbg
program,
you've
been
assisting
non-profits
in
pursuing
and
re
rehabilitation
of
multi-family
rental
housing
for
low-income
households.
Specifically,
I
think
two
recent
projects
are
one
with
many
mentions
and
the
other
one
is
with
the
county
housing
authority
preserving,
affordable
housing.
G
G
G
This
is
related
to
your
general
plan
and
by
providing
the
by
with
your
preferred
language
map
increasing
the
problem,
creating
a
new
destination
that
makes
you
slow
and
and
allows
you
to
provide
additional
opportunities
for
housing
in
other
areas
that
normally
would
not
allow
for
housing,
update
your
inclusionary
housing
programs
of
the
linkage
fees,
programs.
That
is
also
with
the
potential
for
increasing
opportunities
for
affordable
housing,
neighborhood
improvement.
G
We
earlier
we
talked
about
how
certain
neighborhoods
have
concentrated
issues
and
so
to
to
utilize
your
funding
in
a
way
that
are
targeted
to
assisting
in
those
particular
neighborhoods.
In
order
to
make
sure
that
the
improvements
are
more
effective,
that's
one
way
to
look
at
affirmatively
furthering
the
house,
and
then
the
next
slide
is
timeline.
The
next
steps
ian.
Do
you
want
to
cover
that?
Or
do
you
want
me
to
go
over
this.
H
H
And
what
do
we
got
for
the
next
slide?
So,
as
I
mentioned
so,
comments
can
be
directly
made
into
the
housing
element
itself.
So
if
there's
anything
of
you
know,
in
particular
regarding
the
content
or
the
programs,
we'd
appreciate
that
you
put
it
directly
in
the
document
itself.
However,
from
kind
of
overarching
questions
you
have
or
anything
like
that,
please
feel
free
to
contact
us
at
gp
talks.org
for
any
kind
of
questions
as
well.
B
F
F
My
goal
at
this
point
is
there's
a
lot
of
speakers.
I
know
and
obviously
commissioners.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
a
few
questions
and
hopefully
then
everybody
else
have
a
chance
to
go,
but
there's
a
few
questions
I
had,
and
I
know
the
public
has
reached
out
to
me
to
ask
I
know:
there's
recently,
state
law
enacted
two
different
laws:
sb9
and
sb10.
G
Yeah,
I
actually
has
discussed
with
the
state
already
how
sb9
and
sb10
is
going
to
be
reflected
in
the
housing
element
and
essentially
what
the
state
has
told
me
is
that
you
still
have
to
meet
the
arena.
The
way
that
you
have
to
do
the
adequate
size
analysis
like
the
minimum
density
and
and
all
that,
so
that's
benign.
They
they're
more.
Looking
at
it
potentially
like
80
youth
that
based
on
trends,
because
you
you
don't
have
a
trend
yet
so
you
can't
really
anticipate
how
much
you're
going
to
be
able
to
get.
F
G
Now.
The
housing
element
does,
though,
require
the
state
that
requires
us
to
put
in
a
monitoring
kind
of
process
in
it
if
by
2024,
so
like
you're,
you're,
building,
zero,
adus,
you're
building
or
a
lot
less
than
what
you
expected
to
build
in
terms
of
adus,
then
you
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
your
site's
inventory.
Did
we
have
enough
sites,
in
your
other,
like
capacity
to
make
up
the
shortfall,
but
if
you
build
more,
that
kind
of
gets
counted
to?
What's
your
accomplishment.
F
All
right,
so
we
can't
add
it
up
front,
but
it
may
be
added
after
the
fact,
depending
upon
how
it
works
out
exactly,
and
you
brought
up
an
important
point
that
I
know
I
and
everybody
else
looking.
This
may
have
issues
with.
None
of
these
may
actually
be
built.
Is
this
pretty
much
then
just
a
wish
list
without
really
any
binding
effect.
G
You
remove
constraints
in
terms
of
your
regulations
and
and
standards,
and
that
would
preclude
housing
to
happen
or
to
facilitate
it.
You
you,
you
remove
the
obstacles,
whether
it
will
come
or
not,
is
entirely
to
you
know
due
to
the
market,
but
we
do
also
have
programs
in
place
to
facilitate
affordable
housing
that
you
would
you
know,
contact
developers,
affordable
housing
developers,
you're
going
to
look
at
your
inclusionary
and
linkage
fee
programs.
G
These
are
all
actions
that
you
would
proactively
do
to
facilitate
affordable
housing,
but
how
much
is
going
to
happen
you're,
not
in
control?
Now
I
always
give
the
example
of
the
the
the
fourth
cycle,
housing
element
and
that's
how
long
I've
been
doing
housing
element
cycle
right
after
the
housing
almond
was
adopted.
We
went
into
a
recession
and
and
nothing
gets
killed,
and
so
you
can't
predict
that.
Are
we
going
to
get
into
a
recession
in
the
future?
We
don't
know,
we
don't
know
the
long
term
impact
of
goldwood.
G
G
F
F
G
F
And
again,
I
know
others
are
waiting,
so
I'm
gonna
get
to
my
most
important
questions.
I
know
part
of
this
process
for
the
general
plan,
update
and
then
kind
of
flowing
through
here
was
to
identify
the
objective
standards
under
sb
330.
I
just
want
to
confirm:
that's
not
happened
as
part
of
this
housing
element
yet
right.
H
H
H
F
H
Exactly
and
actually
you
know
we
received
that
correspondence
before
the
weekend.
I
basically
replied
back
to
them
part
of
my
opening
statement,
as
well
as
veronica's
statements,
kind
of
reinforced.
That
response
in
that
you
know
the
identifica
identification
of
a
site
in
the
arena.
Sites
inventory
at
20
dues
delay
to
the
acre
does
not
require
you
to
build
at
20
units
to
the
acre.
H
F
I
I
notice
from
a
lot
of
the
comments
as
well.
There's
concern
about
water
shortages
and
traffic
and
parking,
and
you
know
all
the
other
things
that
obviously
are
concerned.
Does
that
go
into
the
state's
evaluation
of
arena?
Is
that
something
we
can
then
come
back
later
on
and
evaluate,
or
is
that
basically
not
considered
as
part
of
our
arena
allocation
process?.
H
Well,
you
know
that
type
of
analysis
is
really
tied
to
the
you
know,
the
the
capacity
and
really
the
growth
projections
of
the
general
plan
update.
So
you
know
really
all
of
that
is
tackled
by
you
know
the
land
use
element
that
sets
the
stage
where
development
could
occur.
You
know,
and
as
we
spoke
I
mean,
the
housing
element
is
a
policy
document
you're
identifying
sites
for
the
purpose
of
demonstrating
their
ability
to
be
developed,
but
whether
they
get
developed
or
not,
you
know
we're
really
not
doing
an
analysis
at
a
project
level.
H
F
Okay
and
my
last
one
and
again
I'll,
let
it
go
to
others.
My
last
question
essentially,
is
we
go
back
to
the
affordable
housing
issue
and
it's
so
tough,
because
we
all
want
to
find
ways
to
make
it
work,
but
again
from
the
discussion
this
miss
tam
and
mr
hall,
you
indicated
how
expensive
that
is
we're
going
through
a
lot
of
effort.
It
seems
to
try
to
find
ways
to
promote
affordable
housing,
but
I'm
not
seeing
a
whole
lot
of
teeth
that
we
may
have
to
necessarily
get
it
done.
F
G
G
There
are
requirements
that
you
have
to
meet,
and
so
there
are
affordable
housing
created,
but
with
the
elimination
of
the
development,
you
you
don't
as
a
local
jurisdiction,
fair
rarely
have
the
funding
source
to
do
that,
and
certainly
inclusionary
and
language
fee
would
be
critical.
You
know
things
that
the
city
may
want
to
consider
in
the
future
how
to
create
affordable
housing,
especially
when
you're
looking
at
some
of
the
the
all
the
the
new
opportunities
you've
created
with
the
preferred
land
use
map.
F
I
Thank
you,
chair
boss,
thank
you,
miss
tam
and
mr
holt
for
your
presentation.
I
want
to
start
by
congratulating
you.
I
know
this
was
an
awful
lot
of
work.
I
have
a
number
of
problems
with
what
is
not
here
we'll
go
through
that,
but
I
first
want
to
acknowledge
the
work
that
you've
done
of
what
is
here.
I
It's
really
instructive
for
anyone
who
wants
to
learn
about
our
housing
policy
to
read
through
this.
This
is
an
excellent
survey
of
what
we
have.
What
we
don't
have,
what
our
legal
constraints
are
so
very
good
work
on
pulling
together
so
much.
I
wish
there
were
more
time
to
review
it,
but
but
I
appreciate
how
much
is
here
and
how
much
you've
done
on
it.
I
I
So
my
comment
here
is:
if,
if
the
goal
is
to
have
an
easy
and
smooth
review
with
the
state,
I
would
encourage
you
to
hire
a
copy
editor
and
go
through.
Have
one
more
pass
through
this
and
clean
up
clean
up
the
language
so
that
you
have
a
very
clean
document
that
you're
submitting
this
was
not
stuff.
I
saw
in
the
previous
in
the
2014
version
of
the
housing
element,
and
I
think
it
would
benefit
from
one
more
set
of
eyes.
I
I
understand
they're,
not
law,
yet
I
wasn't
quite
clear
from
the
answer
whether
we're
anticipating
that
there
will
be
some
update
to
this
current
housing
element.
That's
a
draft
now
to
reflect
sb9
and
sb10,
or
not.
I'm
not
clear
whether
we're
going
to
add
language
stating
that
these
are
legal
constraints.
H
Well,
I
will
approach
that
first,
I
mean
sb9
again,
you
know
it
is
when
it
becomes
law.
You
know
it's.
It's
really
dependent
on
the
track
record
and
you
know,
regardless
of
when
the
law
goes
into
effect,
let's
just
say:
maybe
within
a
year
or
two
we
start
seeing
units
being
built
only.
We
definitely
get
to
credit,
those
towards
our
arena
and
count
those
as
we
do
our
annual
reporting
to
hcd.
H
You
know,
but
as
far
as
actually
revising
the
housing
element.
To
specifically
address
that
it's
you
know
again,
it's
kind
of
like
adus,
you
get
to
kind
of
catch
them
on
the
tail
end
based
on
development
trends,
and
then
you
can
project
out.
I
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
have
that
much
time
to
do
that
midway
in
the
housing
element.
H
Typically,
you
would
just
get
credit
as
they
occur
organically.
As
you
know,
and
you
know
right
now-
I
mean
it's
really
hard
to
see
what
what
is
the
feasibility
of
you
know.
Single-Family
homeowners
doing
lot
splits,
building
duplexes,
it's
a
you
know,
the
economies
of
scale
are
would
be
fairly
challenging,
but
at
this
time
I
don't
know
veronica,
I
mean.
Is
there
any
kind
of
foresight
as
far
as
you
know,
would
we.
A
H
I
I
F
If
I
make
sure
bus
and
and
vice
chair
newman,
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
we
have
also
is
the
speculativeness
of
sb9,
right
and
and
thousand
notes.
We
think
of
thousand
notes.
We
think
of
home
cost
and
and
land
price
right.
And
when
you
do
that,
you,
you
look
at
the
requirements
of
sb9
and
the
fact
that
they
have
to
have
almost
at
the
most
a
60
40
split
of
the
land.
And
so
you
look
at
the
land
values
in
our
city.
F
F
So
it's
gonna
be
the
same
thing
I
think
with
sb9,
and
so
that's
another
reason
why
we
got
to
be
careful
with
sb9
as
far
as
the
housing
element
at
this
stage
is
just
because
it
is
a
little
bit
too
speculative
there's
so
many
factors
that
go
into
sp9
that
we
got
to
meet
that
we
just
don't
know.
Is
it
going
to
be
impactful
in
thousand
oaks
itself?
It's
difficult
to
say
at
this
point.
F
Additionally,
as
ian
mentioned,
as
the
law
takes
shape
and
takes
form,
this
will
be
something
that
we
may
have
to
address
as
part
of
a
development
update
in
the
zoning
code,
as
opposed
to
a
policy
issue
with
the
housing
element
itself
and
part
of
the
reason
it
wasn't
addressed,
because
it
just
became
signed
into
law
within
the
last
week
or
so,
and
it
won't
be
effective
for
several
months
and
will
be
quite
a
ways
down
the
road
in
the
approval
process.
For
this
housing
element.
I
I
So
I'm
I
don't
have
a
specific
recommendation
for
how
we
can
toughen
up
the
language
there,
but
I
think
we
need
to
around
the
need
for
affordable
housing
and
around
our
intent
and
our
practice
to
enforce
and
a
much
stronger,
inclusionary
housing
law.
I
want
to
applaud
a
letter
that
was
sent
in
by
dr
connolly,
that
was
in
our
supplemental
packet.
She's
got
a
number
of
concrete
suggestions.
D
There
is
we
have
momentum
on
that
initiative.
We
have
already
drafted
an
rfp,
given
the
amount
of
time
it's
taken
to
get
this
draft
of
the
housing
element
together.
That's
been
delayed
slightly,
but
it's
right
on
the
top
of
our
work
program
and
we
plan
to
go
forward
it's
in
the
budget
and
for
for
this
fiscal
year,
so
it
is,
is
on
the
docket
already.
As
far
as
addressing
the
letter
that
came
in
there
were
great
suggestions
and
good
things
to
consider.
D
One
thing
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
to
put
in
timing
and
recommendations
is,
is
part
of
what
we
need,
this
study
for
from
a
consultant
and
and
in
the
rfp
form
now,
so
that
we
have
backup
information
to
inform
if
you
will,
what
policies
and
how
we
move
forward
with
that,
so
just
for
hopefully,
some
reassurance.
That
is
definitely
on
top
of
our
our
work
program.
I
Ms
finley,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
that
you
have
to
do
the
housing
element
now.
It's
it's
due
we're
on
a
deadline
and
we
have
a
legal
requirement
to
do
this
first,
and
I
understand
that,
but
I
appreciate
that
we'll
be
seeing
the
inclusionary
the
revised
and
hopefully
stronger,
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
coming
along
real
soon
now,
so
I
appreciate
the
update
on
that.
I
Moving
on
speaking
of
laws
that
are
not
part
of
this,
I
was
surprised
to
see
no
mention
of
erickson's
law.
This
is
the
mobile
home
ordinance
that
the
city
council
passed
in
july
2008,
and
this
came
up
during
our
hearing
on
the
general
plan
update
again,
it's
such
a
comprehensive
review
of
all
the
laws
around
housing
that
may
or
may
not
affect
housing
here
in
the
city.
I
H
Well,
as
part
of
the
rest
of
the
general
plan
update,
you
know
coinciding
with
the
housing
element,
we've
been
working,
pushing
towards
developing
policies
and
so
forth.
That
will
be
presented
to
the
gpac
members
and
then,
ultimately,
we're
also
going
to
be
sending
out
the
notice
of
preparation
for
the
eir
so
essentially
prior
to
the
release
of
that
eir.
There
will
be
draft
elements
in
place
so
that
that
can
be
reviewed
in
concert
with
the
eir.
H
B
B
B
I
I
I
think
it
would
be
instructive
to
add
something
comparing
the
current
figures
with
those
from
the
previous
housing
element
update,
and
they
would
show
that
there
are
now
more
rich
people
than
thousand
oaks
and
there
are
fewer
poor
people,
and
that
is
part
of
our
problem,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
point
that
out.
So
I
think
the
addition
of
a
comparison
between
former
times
and
and
now
would
be
helpful
in
making
the
case
for
why
we
need
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
I
G
That
is
state
law.
The
main
reason
is
female:
generally
female
households
have
low
income
and
also
because
they
are
usually
more
responsible
for
the
child
care
responsibilities
that
limits
their
ability
to
earn
income
one
and
have
higher
expenses
too,
and
three
locational
choices,
because,
if
they're
located
like
and
places
where
public
transportation
is
not
available
and
makes
it
more
difficult,
and
so
those
are
for
those
reasons,
maybe
more,
that
the
state
has
established
female
head
households
as
a
special
needs
population.
I
I
I
I
I
It's
in
line
with
some
some
two
of
the
five
city
council
members
comments
when
this
came
up
in
2018
made
comments
along
the
lines
of
elections
are
hard
and
they're
expensive
and
some
council
members
and
some
attendees
said
this
is
complicated
stuff.
The
voters
won't
understand
it
all
of
these
kind
of
comments,
including
the
language.
I
F
Thank
you,
chair
bus
and
thank
you
to
mr
holt
and
miss
tam
for
your
presentation.
I
did
actually
see
some
of
the
same
kind
of
issues
that
commissioner
newman
saw.
Triumphal
county
doesn't
actually
exist,
it's
triumphal,
water
and
sanitation,
so
that
should
probably
be
corrected
and
caruso
affiliated
probably
does
not
want
to
be
affiliated
with.
I
believe
it
was
kanejo
valley,
unified
school
district,
so
those
should
probably
be
on
two
separate
lines.
G
We
use
the
county,
assessor
data
and
their
current
assessed
value
based
on
the
improvement
versus
the
the
land
value
from
the
current
assessor
data.
Usually
that's
like
a
pretty
typical
measure
for
whether
something
has
gone
through
significant
improvements
in
the
last.
You
know
you
know
whatever
years,
but
that's
also
a
relatively
typical
kind
of
criteria
to
use
for
identifying
underutilized
properties,
but
that's
not
the
only
standard
that
we
use.
Okay,.
F
F
The
so
and
again
we
talked
about
this
being
a
wish
list
with
regard
to
the
arena
numbers
and
the
various
sites
that
were
chosen,
but
was
there
a
rhyme
or
reason
for
how
the
income
level
type
was
chosen
for
each
site?
Was
it
just?
We
can
do
it's
20
dwelling
units
per
acre.
We
could
probably
do
very
low
income
here.
We
could
do
low
income
here,
we're
just
sort
of
kind
of
throwing
darts.
G
Oh
well,
that's
exactly
what
state
law
requires
you
to
do
is
based
on
density,
you
as
a
proxy
to
feasibility,
but
we
also
do
not
want
to
say
that
this
one
giant
site
or
one
mall
sites
own
because
it
can
go
from
20
to
30
units
to
the
acre.
Therefore,
the
entire
site
can
be
will
will
be
you
know,
lower
income
housing
so
for
larger
sites.
G
F
G
Your
land
use
element
probably
allows
for
more,
but
what
we
are
looking
for
is
just
based
on
the
specific
sites
that
meet
the
objective
criteria.
We
can
accommodate
that
many
units
in
based
on
20
units
to
the
acre
again.
It
could
be
more
because
people
can
develop
up
to
30
units
to
the
acre.
However,
you
don't
have
a
demonstrated
trend
of
higher
density
development
and
state
law
says.
If
you
don't
have
a
a
demonstrated
trend
to
as
to
estimate
potential,
you
need
to
go
with
the
lower
end
of
your
density
range.
F
So
I
don't
know
if
my
fellow
commissioners
would
find
any
value
in
seeing
with
the
total
number
of
units
that
could
be
built
in
the
city
as
compared
to
what
is
required
for
arena.
That
way.
There
isn't.
It
doesn't
look
like
the
whole
rest
of
the
city
has
to
be
constructed,
affordable,
that
we
have
plenty
of
options
and
that
this
is
the
wish
list
and
we
can
go
any
number
of
different
directions.
F
And,
frankly,
the
the
elephant
property
in
the
room
which
I
didn't
see
is
one
of
the
sites
identified
as
a
an
opportunity
would
be
the
orchard
property
which
I'm
sure
we
could
squeeze
a
few
affordable
units
on
that
site,
but
wasn't
included.
Because
again,
this
is
we're.
Looking
at
the
low-hanging
fruit,
we're
trying
to
grab
the
the
most
buildable
and
redevelopable
properties
in
the
city,
and
that's
it
for
me,
thank
you.
B
B
B
I
was
looking
at
the
numbers
for
the
county
and
it's
roughly
24
000
and
you
said
that
it
is
generally
based
on
distribution
of
population,
but
I
found
that
ventura
is
required
to
do
nearly
double.
What
thousand
oaks
does
and
ventura
is
a
smaller
city.
I
was
wondering:
is
it
really
based
on
population
or
how
is
that
number
determined
and
distributed
throughout
the
county.
G
Oh,
I
want
to
clarify
it's,
I'm
I'm
not
saying
that
it's
based
on
population.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
your
your
number
is
more
comparable
to
simply
value
a
valley
that
has
a
similar
population,
but
the
arena
is
really.
There
are
two
main
factors
that
gives
the
jurisdictions
a
higher
number
or
actually
the
one.
B
Excellent
okay,
thank
you
that
that
does
explain
a
lot
for
me.
I
had
a
second
question:
the
the
income
distribution
numbers
that
were
showing
for
our
arena
numbers.
Those
obviously
aren't
following
much
of
a
bell
curve.
As
far
as
the
incomes
for
the
population,
are
they
reflective
of
the
income
distribution
within
our
local
population,
or
is
this
based
upon
some
other
reason?
I'm
not
understanding
how
it's
calculated.
G
G
And
so,
if
you
are
a
higher
income
community
with
a
higher
proportion
of
above
modern
income,
you
get
an
impaction
correction
that
they
are
giving
you
a
higher
proportion
of
lower
income
renault,
because
in
order
to
kind
of
have
you
meet
pathways
through
with
the
county-wide
region.
So
that's
why
it's
not
exactly
your
income
distribution
and
it's
not
exactly
the
county's
income
distribution.
It's
correcting
the
two
income
distribution
by
by
giving
you
higher
proportion
of
lower
income
in
reno,
because
you're,
a
higher
income
area.
G
G
B
Factor:
impaction,
correction
factor:
that's
that's
why
I'd
look
up?
Okay,
I'm
I'm
gonna.
Do
that.
I'm
actually
very
curious
about
this.
So
thank
you.
Let
me
just
write
that
down.
The
other
question
I
had
was
we're
talking
a
lot
and
I
heard
commissioner
link
ask
you
know:
can
we
show
our
our
our
full
hand
of
of
the
number
of
units
that
we
have
available?
B
You
said
that
you've
been
through
cycle
four
and
cycle
five
at
this
point,
so
my
question
is:
is:
are
you
aware
of
any
city
in
california
ever
hitting
the
numbers
that
they
put
on
arena
report
submitted
to
the
to
the
state?
Has
anybody
ever
actually
produced
the
number
of
houses
that
they
said
that
they
had
allocated
sufficient
units
for
in
their
report
in
in
your
career.
B
Basically,
I'm
asking
so
in
our
current
cycle
we're
seeing
2681
units
total,
I
believe,
if
we
built
those
by
2028,
I
would
consider
that
a
herculean
feat
of
that
has
never
been
completed
before
my
question
is,
is,
would
I
be
incorrect?
Has
anybody
actually
successfully
built
out
the
number
of
units
that
they
committed
to
making
available
for
construction?
G
G
B
So
so,
based
just
just
carrying
this
further,
so
the
state
is,
is
asking
us
to
produce
a
document
that
tells
them
we
are
capable
of
creating
this
kind
of
housing,
and
we
are
successfully
doing
that.
But
everybody
understands
that
to
some
degree
or
another
nobody's
going
to
hit
these
goals,
and
the
reason
is
is
because
cities
aren't
in
the
business
of
actually
building
the
housing.
B
We're
not
here
to
to
tell
our
city
council
to
commit
money
to
actually
constructing
things.
The
cities
themselves
don't
build
the
housing,
that's
done
by
developers
themselves
and
market
conditions
will
drive
whether
or
not
they're
able
to
do
that.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
and
so
the
thing
that
we
would
want
from
the
state
after
we
create
these
these
opportunities
and
create
these
zones
is.
B
G
B
G
Usually,
for
some,
for
example,
let's
say
like
state
home
funds,
it
requires
a
poverty
index.
That
is
a
certain
level
and
you
just
don't
necessarily
have
that.
It
makes
it
harder
to
compete,
but
that's
again
more
important
for
some
other
funding
sources
that
focus
on
the
new
funding
sources:
state,
that's
coming
with,
like
pro
housing
policies
or
that
housing
there's
the
new
funding
source,
that's
from
the
sb2,
the
permanent,
hello,
permanent
local
housing
allocation.
G
B
B
I
Chair
bus-
I
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
the
question
you
just
asked.
My
understanding
is
the
same
as
you
as
yours,
in
the
main
that
that
our
our
role
is
to
facilitate
the
construction
of
housing,
which
is
mainly
done
by
private
interests,
the
one
clarification
or
question
I
have
around.
That
is.
Isn't
it
the
case,
though,
that
that
some
part
it's
a
small
part
minority
part
of
housing
is
done
by
municipalities
or
by
governments.
I
G
B
I
do
ask
that
speakers
state
their
name
and
city
of
residence
just
for
our
records
and
we'll
go
I'll.
Give
you
guys
a
little
bit
of
lead
here.
I
have
the
next
three
speakers
are
going
to
be
rosanna,
guerra,
suzanne,
coy
and
jonathan
duran,
and
we
will
begin
with
rosanna
guerrera.
You
have
the
floor.
C
It's
a
daunting
task,
all
200
pages
to
be
thoroughly
reviewed
as
you've
read
the
report,
I've
reviewed
it
from
a
frame
of
reference
as
to
what
these
findings
signify
for
older
adults
in
the
city
of
thousands
going
forward
for
the
next
eight
years
or
plus
older
adults
are
the
fastest
growing
population
in
the
us
and
equally
in
california,
as
well
as
in
thousand
oaks.
On
page
five
of
the
report,
I
quote,
the
city's
population
between
the
ages
of
65
to
74
is
the
fastest
growing
age
group.
C
C
Further
prioritization
of
ground
floor
dwellings
for
older
adults
and
those
with
disabilities
number
two:
a
robust
inclusionary
zoning
ordinances
that
has
expanded
capacity
in
terms
of
percentage
allotted
for
those
with
fixed
income
or
low
income.
Older
adults
have
contributed
a
lifetime
to
the
city
by
their
work,
raising
families,
volunteers
in
the
city
and
paying
taxes.
It
is
imperative
that
we
consider
our
most
vulnerable
populations
first,
when
contemplating
housing
older
adults
face
significant
costs,
while
on
a
fixed
income,
often
choosing
between
rent
or
life-saving
medications.
C
C
I
was
able
to
stand
on
the
street
corner
waiting
for
the
bus
with
so
many
people
that
looked
different
from
me
and
were
older
than
me.
I
knew
that
if
an
older
adult
got
on
the
bus
and
had
to
stand
up
that,
I
needed
to
offer
my
seat,
not
because
I
was
told
by
my
parents,
but
because
that
was
modeled
over
and
over
again
by
many
who
rode
the
bus.
C
B
C
Hi,
this
is
suzanne
cui
of
oak
park
and
thousand
oaks
supporter
thanks
so
much
for
your
hard
work.
This
comment
is
to
underscore
urgency
and
to
ask
commissioners
and
staff
to
clarify
specific
steps
to
ensure
actual
production
of
housing,
such
as
monitoring
of
progress
and
encouragement
of
creative
solutions
until
a
post
on
next
door
about
senate
bills,
9
and
10
went
viral.
C
As
I
understand
it,
other
posts
convey
a
sense
of
urgency
slightly
over
half
the
commenters
and
closer
to
two-thirds
of
the
likes
prioritize
housing,
affordability,
not
only
for
existing
residents,
but
also
for
those
who
work
here,
but
cannot
afford
to
live
here
or
realistically
access
our
high
achieving
schools
given
room
to
be
creative.
I
believe
the
planning
department
can
achieve
density
while
protecting
against
concerns.
C
C
B
F
Hello,
commissioners,
my
name
is
jonathan
duran,
a
lifelong
residence
of
ventura
county
and
a
proud
homeowner
now
of
newberry.
I
live
in
newbury
park
now
for
the
past
10
years.
A
couple
of
my
concerns
on
this
housing
element
is
having
been
in
the
construction
industry
is
having
something
in
it
with
the
skilled
and
trained
workforce.
F
Having
seen
the
downtown
area
in
thousand
oaks
slowly,
starting
to
change
with
these
mixed-use
projects,
seeing
outside
contractors
come
in
and
with
that
becomes
their
workers
having
the
skilled
and
trained
workforce
and
being
able
to
utilize.
The
skill
train
people
in
this
own
city
in
thousand
notes
in
the
areas
around
will
help
boost
us
in
thousand
oaks
and
in
ventura
county.
F
I
just
asked
the
commissioners
to
look
into
having
some
type
of
language
and
had
over
a
certain
amount
of
units,
a
podium
deck
having
that
skill
and
training
workforce
trigger
to
be
able
to
have
these,
have
these
tradesmen
that
build
these
buildings
day
in
day
out
and
write.
So
that's
my
comment.
Thank
you.
B
C
C
C
C
C
F
F
Commissioner
tonight
I
I
I
was
struck
by
a
few
things
as
we
went
through
the
report,
notably
regarding
accessory
dwelling
units
to
me
looking
at
the
numbers
that
are
in
the
report
a
active
way
that
we
can
take
a
chunk
and
a
bite
out
of
that
large
2600.
Number
that
we
are
required
to
obtain
under
arena
is
to
promote
adus.
F
F
Adus
adus
are
not
only
just
just
constructed
from
scratch
or
constructed
from
nothing,
but
many
adu
companies
are
promoting
prefabricated
adus.
That
cities
are
now
taking
up
master
plans
to
speed
up
the
permitting
process
and
cutting
that
60
day
number
into
30
days.
The
rest
of
my
time.
I
would
like
to
just
express
my
support
for
a
course,
an
inclusionary
zoning
ordinance,
along
with
bringing
back
and
having
staff
reanalyze
the
in
lieu
fees
that
were
cut
off
a
number
of
years
ago.
F
Finally,
I
also
just
want
to
caution.
I
I
hear
a
lot
about
and
I
think
I
believe,
commissioner
newman
brought
it
up
that
you
know
we.
We
are
taking
a
real
active
approach
in
in
our
government
role
in
building
housing,
but
I
would
encourage
us
to
find
other
ways
in
which
we
can
we
can
get
more
involved
and
that
would
include
community
land
trust.
F
It
was
a
table
in
in
in
the
document
that
said,
a
family
of
five
at
the
80
percent,
you
know,
could
only
really
afford
a
for
a
home,
that's
400
and
some
thousand
dollars
a
community
land
trust
would
find
a
is
a
practical
way
in
which
we
can.
We
can
have
the
cost
of
a
home
in
thousand
oaks
and
perhaps
again
make
some
headway
on
bringing
down
some
of
those
arena
numbers.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
C
Thank
you,
chair
bus
and
greetings
to
our
planning
commissioners.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
city's
proposed
housing
element.
The
housing
element
lays
out
the
city's
policies
and
procedures
for
addressing
how
the
city
will
meet
its
housing
needs
and,
in
my
opinion,
is
more
important
than
the
land
use
plan.
In
doing
so,
I
want
more
housing
and
especially
more
affordable
housing
to
be
built
in
thousand
oaks
to
ensure
that
we
are
welcoming
to
families
remain
vibrant
and
increase
the
livability
of
our
city.
C
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
how
far
short
we
fell
in
the
last
housing
element
in
terms
of
meeting
our
affordable
housing
goals.
We
built
25
of
the
142
that
was
in
the
arena.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
tonight
about
how
the
renegol
is
a
wish
list.
The
sites
are
a
wish
list,
but
when
I
take
a
look
at,
you
know
actually
mapping
out
the
program
of
action
from
the
previous
housing
element
and
this
housing
element.
C
They
are
exactly
the
same
and
I
don't
see
how
we
can
make
any
forward
progress
without
taking
a
more
proactive,
aggressive
approach
to
inc,
to
requiring
developers
to
build
more
affordable
housing.
I
believe
that
dr
connolly's
letter,
which
I
read
in
the
supplemental
packet,
outlines
a
lot
of
wonderful
methods
for
doing
this,
and
I
hope
that
they
are
all
considered,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
be
some
of
at
least
some
of
that
outlined,
even
in
general
language
in
the
housing
element.
C
I
also
think
it's
critical
for
the
city
to
review
its
parking
requirements.
We
are
currently
over
building
parking
and
I
I
think
that
it's
really
important
that
the
city
include
in
the
housing
element
build
into
the
current
housing
element:
mid-cycle,
reviews
of
progress
to
our
arena
goals
to
make
adjustments
to
the
municipal
code,
parking
requirements,
a
collisionary
zoning
ordinance
and
other
zoning
regulations,
so
that
we
hold
our
own
feet
to
the
fire.
Thank
you.
B
C
I'm
going
to
basically
just
echo
what
marianne
said
what
dr
connelly
said,
what
rosanna
said:
we
need
a
robust,
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
We
need
set
targets
on
percentages
of
inclusionary
units
and
we
need
to
review
our
in-lieu
fee
policy
and
bring
that
back.
So
it's
not
zero,
so
we're
actually
getting
money
for
the
city
to
help
provide
affordable
housing.
C
If
the
developer
doesn't
want
to
provide
it
themselves,
we
need
to
couple
that,
with
a
good
amount
of
incentives,
density,
bonus,
increasing
the
height
limit,
where
necessary,
to
allow
more
housing
to
be
built
in
in
general
and
to
enable
the
developer
to
see
value
in
adding
actual
affordable
units
to
their
project
on
parking
requirements.
Just
as
ms
vanzile
said,
we
need
to
review
what
we
have
because,
as
dr
donald
schupp
ucla
has
pointed
out
for
many
years,
parking
requirements
are
typically
based
on
standards
that
are
not
really
supported
by
evidence.
C
They're
passed
around
from
city
to
city,
everyone
looks
at
what
everyone
else
is
doing
and
says
they
must
have
a
reason
for
doing
that.
So,
let's
do
it
that
way
too.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
data
of
how
our
parking
is
actually
built
and
used
in
thousand
oaks
and
adjust
accordingly,
so
we
don't
waste
a
bunch
of
land
on
parking
that
could
be
used
for
housing
finally,
about
sv910
and
also
about
the
the
development
of
housing
by
the
city.
C
J
J
Additionally,
there's
a
discrepancy
in
the
document
as
to
what
version
of
title
24
the
city
recognizes.
I
believe,
though,
that
the
upcoming
2022
energy
code
should
be
the
basis
for
the
city's
building
standard.
This
document
should
especially
not
be
promoting
rebates
for
energy,
efficient
natural
gas
appliances
or
incentives
to
switch
from
electric
to
gas
appliances,
as
it
does
in
the
energy
conservation
opportunity
section
on
page
37..
J
This
alone
makes
this
document
seem
outdated
even
before
it's
approved.
There
are
also
better
and
more
up-to-date
programs
and
incentives
to
cite
in
this
document,
such
as
3c
wren's,
building
performance
training
we're
in
a
climate,
emergency
natural
gas,
mostly
from
buildings,
are
the
second
largest
emission
source
in
this
city.
The
source
of
emissions
is
much
more
practical
to
address
when
compared
to
the
largest
source,
the
transportation
sector,
the
2022
state
standards
encourage
electric
heat
pump
technology
for
space
and
water
heating.
J
They
establish
electric
ready
requirements
for
single-family
homes,
expand
solar,
pv
and
battery
storage
standards
to
make
clean
energy
available
on
site
and
to
complement
the
state's
progress
towards
100
percent
clean
electricity
grid,
and
it
strengthens
ventilation
standards
to
improve
indoor
air
quality.
I
encourage
the
commissioners
to
address
the
climate
crisis
in
the
housing
element
update
by
adopting
the
2022
building
standard
set
by
the
california
energy
commission
and
to
further
reduce
emissions
through
the
adoption
of
an
all-electric
reach
code.
J
I'd
also
like
to
ask
a
few
questions
that
I
hope,
staff
or
the
planning
commissioners
can
answer
tonight,
which
is:
has
the
city
been
missing
out
on
a
critical
funding
source
for
affordable
housing
by
setting
the
in-low
fees
to
zero
dollars?
Is
this
fee
set
to
be
increased,
and
why
is
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
update,
not
a
part
of
this
document?
Now
I
don't
believe
it
should
be
pushed
until
2024..
J
F
Hello,
my
name
is
clint
fultz,
I'm
a
member
of
the
canado
climate
coalition
and
I
live
in
thousand
oaks.
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
that
I
haven't
had
sufficient
time
to
read
over
all
the
206
pages
of
the
current
draft
of
the
housing
element,
but
I'll
do
my
best
to
make
some
comments.
Given
the
short
time
I
had
to
digest
the
document
in
the
future,
I
would
hope
community
members
would
be
given
more
time
to
read
over
documents
like
this
one.
My
first
comment
is
regarding
affordable
housing.
F
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
that
we
desperately
need
affordable
housing
in
the
canal
valley
and
we
absolutely
need
a
functioning
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
one
with
teeth.
My
questions
are:
what
changes
to
the
current
ordinance
will
be
made
in
the
future
and
shouldn't
that
ordinance
be
updated
now
moving
to
a
different
matter,
I
feel
that
the
housing
element
document
doesn't
do
nearly
enough
to
address
the
climate
crisis
and
the
coming
changes
that
we
as
a
community
face.
F
It
makes
no
sense
to
continue
to
continue
encouraging
gas
rebates,
given
that
so-called
natural
gas
is
actually
a
deadly
greenhouse
gas,
we
must
electrify
everything
and
build
with
green,
sustainable
building
materials
and
prioritize
solar
power
systems
with
battery
backup.
The
city
needs
to
establish
electric
ready
requirements
for
homes,
to
position,
owners
to
use
cleaner,
electric,
electric
heating,
cooking
and
electric
vehicle
charging
infrastructure.
F
The
city
should
be
focusing
on
a
reach
code
that
will
future
proof.
Every
project
that
gets
approved
the
housing
element
should
be
using
the
upcoming
2022
energy
code
as
its
bare
minimum.
We
should
absolutely
do
better
than
the
the
minimum
requirements
we
should
adopt
the
2022
standards
and
go
all
electric.
We
as
a
community
need
to
be
ready
for
the
harsh
reality
of
climate
change
that
we
face
going
into
the
future.
That's
all
I
have
for
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
B
C
This
draft
housing
element
before
you
effectively
provides
an
initial
initial
road
map
for
this
sixth
cycle
to
implement
the
land
use
map
that
will
allow
the
city
to
meet
its
share
of
regional
housing
as
a
variety
of
incomes,
as
mandated
by
the
state
housing
continues
to
be
a
top
issue
for
our
local
business
community,
and
this
document
will
utilize
mixed-use
development
to
provide
additional
workforce
housing
that
we
badly
need
in
our
targeted
areas
of
the
city.
Thank
you.
J
Good
evening,
commissioners,
I'm
roseanne
from
to
with
kaneho
climate
coalition,
the
california
energy
commission
sets
policy
to
reduce
energy
use,
building
costs
and
emissions
of
pollutants
designed
to
be
cost-effective.
Title
24
standards,
reduce
utility
bills,
increase
the
market
value
of
properties
and
enhance
health
and
safety.
J
The
2022
energy
code
is
expected
to
provide
1.5
billion
dollars
in
consumer
benefits
over
30
years
and
cut
greenhouse
gas
pollution
equal
to
taking
2.2
million
cars
off
the
road
each
year.
It
encourages
electric
heat
pumps
for
space
and
water
heating,
and
it
requires
electric
ready
appliances
in
single
family
homes
for
cleaner,
more
efficient
energy.
J
It
expands
solar
and
battery
storage
to
make
energy
more
resilient
and
it
strengthens
ventilation
standards
to
improve
indoor
air
quality
and
health.
So
page
37
entitled
energy
conservation
opportunities
is
a
wasted
opportunity,
with
its
backward
references
to
rebates
for
polluting
natural
gas
appliances,
which
are
dangerously
outdated,
we're
in
an
emergency.
J
J
It
should
immediately
embrace
the
2022
energy
efficiency
building
code
approved
last
month
by
the
cec
climate
impacts,
are
accelerating,
increasing
the
need
for
buildings
that
are
comfortable,
efficient,
resilient
and
better
able
to
withstand
extreme
weather.
We
urge
you
to
include
a
reach
code
requiring
all
cec's
new
standards.
Now
so
t.o
can
realize
the
economic
energy,
climate,
health
and
safety
benefits
they
offer
all
through
2022.
B
C
C
Residences
that
are
multi-use
have
to
have
more
parking
spaces
allocated
because
we
do
not
have
public
transit
to
serve
the
extra
people
who
have
a
quarter
of
a
car
space
allocated
to
them.
I'm
not
complaining
about
business
parking,
I'm
complaining
about
residential
parking
for
multi-family
dwellings.
Until
we
have
adequate
public
transit,
we
have
to
have
more
parking
for
the
residents
of
multi-family
buildings.
C
Next
water,
we
don't
have
enough
water.
Now
we
are
currently
in
a
high
drought
situation.
We
are
looking
at
cutbacks.
We
have
some
of
the
highest
requirements
to
reduce
water
usage
in
the
state
during
the
last
drought
with
water
companies
claim.
Oh
sure,
we
could
provide
you
with
lots
of
water
for
all
your
extra
new
people.
The
question
is
at
what
cost
the
water
will
come
from
further
away
and
be
astronomical?
We
won't
be
able
to
afford
it,
even
if
we
can
get
it.
C
That's
an
absurd
statement
to
say:
oh
yeah,
we
have
lots
of
water
for
these
thousands
and
thousands
of
new
people
in
our
area.
Next,
the
malls
are
underutilized.
In
this
plan.
We
could
put
the
hotels
that
you
want
for
the
importance
of
bed
tax
over
beds
for
residents
to
sleep
in
over
at
the
malls.
They
have
wide
streets
and
plenty
of
access.
They
can
also
accommodate
the
multi-family
units
that
require
thousands
of
card
trips
for
the
extra
people
to
get
there.
They
have
the
infrastructure.
C
C
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
lee
evans
powell,
I'm
a
long
time
thousand
oaks
resident
thousand
oaks
gets
the
chance
every
several
years
to
update
its
housing
element.
This
year's
special
because
it
aligns
with
the
general
plan
update
this,
should
be
viewed
as
an
extraordinary
opportunity
to
put
intentional
and
creative
plans
in
place
for
the
future
of
our
city.
During
the
last
housing
element
cycle
in
2013,
the
city
did
not
meet
its
target.
Okay,
please.
I
need
everybody
to
be
quiet
of
low
income
housing
development
this
time
around
the
targets
are
much
higher.
C
I
don't
want
to
discount
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
I
know
goes
into
creating
a
document
of
the
size
and
scope,
yet
I'm
bothered
by
the
draft's
tendency
to
use
vague
language
as
well
as
a
lack
of
clear
and
measurable
goals
or
timelines.
I
only
have
time
tonight
to
share
a
couple
of
my
more
specific
concerns.
C
First,
the
housing
element
should
include
a
strong
and
specific
inclusionary
housing
housing
ordinance.
Please
don't
kick
this
down
the
road.
I
also
hope
to
see
more
right
plan
for
regular
review
and
reporting
on
progress
as
to
the
housing
element
goals
and,
finally,
I'm
very
concerned
with
the
limited
scope
of
the
section
that's
focused
on
goal
number
two,
which
is
providing
housing
opportunities
for
persons
with
special
needs.
There
are
only
two
programs
listed,
both
of
which
consist
solely
of
the
city
providing
funding
to
other
organizations
that
isn't
even
necessarily
specific
to
housing.
C
There
are
no
other
specific
actions
attached
to
that
goal.
That
makes
specific
commitments
to
incentivize
the
building
of
housing
that
is
needed
here
in
thousand
oaks
housing,
that's
geared
towards
our
senior
residents,
our
residents
living
with
disabilities
for
residents
who
are
homeless
or
at
risk
for
homelessness
and
for
residents
unlimited
or
fixed
incomes,
for
example,
specific
policies
that
focus
on
developing
new
housing
units
that
are
designated
for
seniors
or
persons
with
disabilities.
C
That
enables
them
to
be
in
close
proximity
to
public
public
transportation
and
community
services,
and
that's
just
one
example
of
something
I've
seen
in
other
cities.
Housing
elements
I
hope
to
see
this
draft
evolve
into
a
document
that
creates
a
strong
blueprint
that
will
ensure
that
the
affordable
housing
that
thousand
oaks
truly
needs,
as
well
as
addressing
the
very
real
demographic
and
economic
challenges
we
face
will
indeed
be
created.
Thank
you.
J
I
am
concerned
that
the
housing
action
plan
today
is
no
different
than
the
one
from
eight
years
ago.
Just
like
the
prior
plan.
It
doesn't
promote.
Economic
diversity
doesn't
enhance
our
city's
liveability
for
all
its
residents
doesn't
welcome
new
families.
That
is
considering
that
the
city
has
only
built
33
of
the
142
low-income
units
targeted
in
2013..
J
It
is
also
concerning
that,
aside
from
the
state,
the
city
doesn't
have
any
clear,
ordinance
or
policy
to
incentivize
developers
to
build
low-income
and
accessible
housing.
In
thousand
knows
at
point
of
reference,
I'd
like
to
share
that
across
the
nation.
Many
people
with
disabilities
are
experiencing
an
affordable
housing
crisis.
Approximately
4.8
million
people
with
disabilities
who
relate
on
federal,
federal
monthly,
supplemented
security,
income
of
ssi
have
incomes
averaging
of
only
about
9156
per
year,
low
enough
to
be
priced
out
of
every
rental
housing
market
in
the
country.
Imagine
what
that
means.
J
J
J
B
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
faith
grant
and
I'm
a
resident
of
thousand
oaks.
Given
that
the
housing
element
update
is
over
200
pages,
I
believe
it
is
challenging
for
the
planning
commission
and
that's
no
residents
to
review
and
respond
within
five
days.
I'm
pleased
that
miss
finley
indicated
the
extended
review
time
frame
to
provide
written
comments
and
questions.
J
Lastly,
water
is
listed
as
an
environmental
constraint
and
given
the
persistent
droughts
that
california
is
experiencing
and
will
continue
to
experience,
water
will
be
at
a
premium
gray.
Water
systems
that
use
relatively
clean
wastewater
from
baths
sinks,
washing
machines
and
other
kitchen
appliances
can
be
used
for
landscaping
and
flushing
toilets
and
should
be
an
essential
component
of
new
building
construction.
C
C
City,
indeed,
over
one-third
of
the
affordable
units
listed
on
page
26
of
the
draft
are
owned
and
managed
by
many
mansions
and
we're
very
thankful
for
the
significant
funding
that
the
city
has
provided
over
the
years.
The
point
of
my
comments
tonight
is
mini
mansion
supports
the
draft
housing
element.
We
feel
the
city
has
done
an
excellent
job,
supporting
and
fostering
affordable
housing
and
the
housing
element
describes.
We
think.
H
C
C
And
lastly,
I
really
applaud
the
extensive
work
that
the
staff
has
done
in
performing
this
outreach
to
ensure
that
all
stakeholders
have
been
heard.
It's
an
excellent
job
actually
two
more
comments.
If
I
may,
the
electric
comments
made
by
miss
salmon,
mr
fault,
I
believe,
are
spot
on.
We
simply
don't
build
any
more
multi-family
apartments
that
have
gas
the
state
requires
it.
Other
funding
requires
it.
We
build
all
electric
period.
B
C
C
C
To
be
honest,
all
of
my
basic
questions
comments
and
concerns
that
I
was
able
to
develop
in
the
five
days
to
review
the
plan
with
my
busy
school
schedule
were
answered
by
this
thorough
presentation
made
by
miss
tam,
mr
holt,
and
by
the
very
in-depth
analysis
of
said
presentation
and
document
by
the
commissioners,
especially
concerns
and
questions
I
had
regarding
sb10
and
sb9.
I
would
like
to
extend
my
gratitude
to
the
commissioners
for
looking
out
for
the
better
of
the
community
and
pointing
out
anything
and
everything
in
this
document
that
might
be
missed
or
undercovered.
C
I
really
appreciate
the
initiative
to
get
more
affordable
housing
in
thousand
oaks
and
holding
everyone
account
accountable
to
their
promises
to
achieve
the
goals
in
this
element.
I
hope
that
this
team
is
ensuring
that
we
are
able
to
maximize
the
amount
of
housing
options
available
to
all
demographics,
including
the
one
that
these
changes
will
affect.
The
most
aka
my
peers-
and
I
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
have
a
good
night.
Everyone.
C
C
So
I
would
just
like
to
reinforce
the
the
need
for
the
strong
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
and
feel
that
that
should
be
be
done
in
conjunction
with
this
really
and
the
need
for
sustainable
building.
A
lot
of
this
stuff
needs
to
be
included
one
way
or
another,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
can
put
it
in
the
in
the
house
in
an
update
of
the
housing
element,
but
that
would
be
great
if
you
could
so
I'll
just
say.
C
Okay,
perfect.
Thank
you
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
rebecca
albaron
and
I
am
a
lead
with
ventura
county
yinby,
which
stands
for.
Yes
in
my
backyard.
We
are
a
grassroots
organization
advocating
for
affordable
housing
throughout
ventura
county,
I'm
almost
a
lifelong
resident
of
ventura
county
and
I'm
currently
a
resident
of
simi
valley,
I'm
what
people
would
describe
as
a
millennial
kind
of
older
right
now,
as
I
speak
and
y'all
listen,
there
are
unhoused
thousand
oaks
residents
scoping
out
where
they
will
sleep
tonight.
C
C
There
are
grave
implications
for
affordable
housing
and
workforce
housing.
When
we
just
look
at
this
as
a
compliance
document
in
its
most
basic
form
in
its
most
basic
element,
housing
is
shelter
and
it's
one
of
the
strongest
predictors
or
social
determinants
of
good
health,
educational
outcomes
which
affects
school
employment
and
the
overall
health
of
a
person.
C
And
if
we
want
for
our
communities
to
be
healthy,
we
need
to
ensure
that
we're
planning
for
affordable
housing,
workforce
housing
that
will
create
a
more
secure
and
safe
community
for
all
of
its
residents,
regardless
of
their
income
levels
regarding
regardless
of
their
familial
well
and
regardless
of
their
race.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
look
at
this
document
and
its
contents
as
a
plan
that
that
has
robust
actions
towards
workforce
housing
and
affordable
housing.
C
B
C
Thank
you,
everybody.
You
know
it's
a
struggle,
I'm
parenting
a
child
with
a
disability
and
the
short
input
time
and
review
time
is
challenging
for
all
community
members,
but
I
will
say
it
doesn't
feel
like
an
act
of
good
faith.
Even
though
written
opportunity
is
extended,
I
would
ask
that
that
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
becomes
a
requirement
as
well
as
requirements
for
universal
design
and
architecture.
C
You
know
in
in
reviewing
the
housing
plan.
It
does
seem
disconnected
to
other
priorities
that
the
city
has
set
not
only
the
the
very
first
priority,
which
is
essentially
diversity,
equity
inclusion.
It
seems
slightly
disconnected
to
the
transportation
and
environmental
goals
that
we've
set
out
to
to
accomplish.
C
C
B
A
A
A
B
And
it
looks
like
our
consultant's
not
back
yet
either.
So,
let's
just
give
everybody
a
minute
to
get
back
online
here
all
right
looks
like
we've
got
most
everybody,
so
I
am
going
to
go
back
to
staff
for
follow-up
comments
or,
of
course,
our
consultant,
ms
tam,
for
any
follow-up
comments
you
have
based
upon
the
public
speaking.
H
Certainly,
certainly
I
was
just
checking
checking
to
see
if
everyone's
present,
my
screen
hasn't
populated
all
the
way.
So
you
know
there
were
a
number
of
things
that
we
heard.
You
know
there
was
comments
about.
You
know
incorporating
sustainability
practices
into
housing
design
also,
as
well
as
universal
design
elements
for
you
know,
aging,
population
and
so
forth.
You
know
that's
something
that
you
know
really
becomes
a
little
bit
of
a
bigger
discussion.
H
I
mean
those
type
of
things
are
more
to
be
evaluated
as
a
code
amendment
and
so
forth.
You
know
it's
it's
possible
that
you
know
there
is
an
action
item
that
could
attempt
to
address
those,
but
I
I
could
not
definitively
say
that
absolutely
we
can
do
that
in
the
within
the
confines
of
the
housing
element,
and
you
know
in
some
respects
you
know
some
of
these
requirements.
H
H
Even
though
all
these
measures
may
be
for
the
betterment
of
the
housing
stock
within
thousand
oaks,
they
could
be
also
an
impediment
to
the
financial
feasibility
of
those
types
of
projects
as
well.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
and
you
know
see
if
there
is
some
sort
of
action
that
we
can.
You
know
point
towards
the
future,
but
again
it's
something
to
be.
You
know
more
taken
into
account
when
we
look
at
adopting
the
new
uniform
building
code.
H
H
H
You
know
it
was
shared
with
me
that
you
know
the
cost,
for
one
affordable
unit
in
la
county
is
about
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars,
so
you
know
we
have
to
kind
of
go
through
the
course
of
doing
that
analysis.
We
are
prepared
to
send
out
an
rfp
for
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
update
and
that
would
include
an
investigation
of
what
is
the
appropriate
ratios
for
affordable
housing
within
development.
B
B
F
So
the
california
building
code
is
currently
going
through
the
code
council
now
to
identify
what
the
updates
will
be.
It's
updated
on
a
tri-annual
basis
and
we're
about
halfway
through
that
cycle,
so
we're
still
about
a
year
and
a
half
away
from
having
new
codes
adopted
by
the
state
that
we
can
make
local
amendments
to
here.
Ourselves.
B
Okay,
so
we're
doing
that
based
upon
what
the
state's
going
to
require,
but
mr
hall
was
addressing
the
the
above
and
beyond
concept.
The
fact
that
we
could
be
ahead
of
the
curve
on
certain
things
is:
is
there?
Is
there
a
process
for
the
city
to
be
beyond
that?
Is
that
on
our
timetable?
Is
that
going
to
be
in
front
of
the
city
council?
I'm
just
asking
this
on
on
behalf
of
people
who
are
asking
about
inclusionary
housing
people
are
asking
for
environmental
standards
to
be
above
and
beyond
what
the
state
requires.
H
Well,
if
I
can
jump
in
just
to
clarify
chair
bus,
I
mean
I
I
was
referring
to
those
and
I
didn't
know
the
frequency
so
kelvin
helped
clarify.
I
just
had
it
in
recent
memory,
so
you
know
every
three
years.
I
just
recall
that
that
was
the
opportunity
when
it
arose
as
far
as
yeah,
where
we
could
introduce
things
that
were
possibly
beyond
the
california
building
code.
So
right
now,
I'm
not.
I
mean
I'm
not
aware
of
anything
in
advance
of
that
that
the
city
is
doing
to
kind
of
introduce.
B
D
D
D
The
city
council
just
recently
adopted
an
updated
urban
water
management
plan,
the
general
plan
land
use
map.
The
preferred
map
is
consistent
with
that
urban
water
management
plan
and
the
bottom
line
is
if,
if
water
is
not
available
at
the
time
of
development,
the
development's
not
going
to
go
forward,
and
that's
something
that
is
has
always
been
the
case
and
will
continue
to
be
the
case.
B
D
Also,
along
the
same
lines
with
the
growth
projections,
they
are
also
consistent
with
the
urban
water
management
plan
and
the
general
plan
and
the
land
use
map
that
was
endorsed,
they're
all
they're,
all
consistent
with
one
another.
So
so
we're
not
bringing
out
any
new
types
of
or
an
additional
imp
potential
impacts,
and
that's
all
going
to
be
rolled
up
into
this
environmental
analysis.
D
I
had
one
more
here.
There
were
a
couple
people
who
mentioned
about
midterm
reviews
of
our
progress
towards
meeting
the
regional
housing
needs,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
and
they're,
probably
not
aware-
is
that
we're
required
by
the
state
to
do
an
annual
report
on
the
progress
of
implementing
the
housing
element
and
the
general
plan,
and
we've
been
doing
that
religiously
every
every
spring,
it's
due
by
april
1st
to
the
state.
D
H
Around
the
last
week
of
march-
and
it
also
captures
the
the
progress
on
the
other
housing
element
programs
as
well,
so
it's
it
it's
inclusive
of
the
arena.
I
mean,
obviously
that's
the
focus,
but
does
include
all
aspects
of
the
housing
element
as
well
as
far
as
the
program
implementation
yeah.
Currently,
those
annual
progress
reports
aren't
on
a
on
their
own
dedicated
web
page.
They
would
be
basically
what's
attached
to
the
staff
reports
that
went
to
council.
D
D
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
because
I
said
it
early
on,
but
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
we
are
accepting
comments.
This
isn't
the
end.
I
know
it
was
released
just
last
week
and
that
seems
kind
of
daunting
that
it's
a
200
page
document,
but
this
isn't
is
not
the
last
opportunity
to
provide
comments.
B
F
It
is
standard
practice
in
the
city
on
the
building
division
side
to
implement
the
current
state
law
in
terms
of
codes.
So
that's
something
that
the
building
division
will
check
through
the
plan
check
process
before
permits
are
issued
and
will
be
inspected
as
structures
are
built.
So
whatever
state
requirements
are
in
place,
that's
what
staff
will
follow.
I
F
Typically,
not
specifically
with
the
energy
standards,
it's
something
that
the
state
would
adopt
first
and
then
the
city
would
follow
after
that,
either
adopting
the
state
requirements
or
adding
to
that
and
going
above
and
beyond
that.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
the
state
also
asks
in
relation
to
the
housing
element.
If
you
have
local
ordinances
that
add
to
the
cost
of
increasing
housing.
So
that's
something
that
you
have
to
take
into
account
as
well.
B
C
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
compliment
the
staff
on
the
thoroughness
of
this
report
and
all
the
work
that
went
into
it.
A
lot
of
people
are
concerned
about
being
more
aggressive
with
affordable
housing
and-
and
I
believe
I
heard
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,
that
the
city
is
working
on
some
plans
to
to
promote
it,
to
add
a
carrot
and
incentives
is
that.
Did
I
hear
that
correctly?
Is
the
city
working
on
something,
and
is
it
going
to
be
added
to
this?
Is
it
going
to
be
another
document?
C
H
If
I
may,
commissioner
mcmahon
there
are
yeah
there's
you
know
a
couple
of
things
I
mean,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
have
you
know
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
that
we
want
to
send
out
for
an
rfp.
You
know
that
would
either
require
the
development
of
affordable
housing
or
payment
of
a
fee.
Also
we're
working
on
draft
objectives.
Housing
standards.
H
You
know
those
are
in
response
to
sp
330..
So
when
you
apply
the
objective
standards,
the
the
premise
behind
that
is
that
it
helps
streamline
development.
You
are
applying
objective
standards
and
you're.
Not
you
know,
left
to
relying
on
guidelines
which
are
somewhat
negotiable
is
part
of
those
objective
standards.
You
know
there
are
some
components
that
help
incentivize
potential,
affordable
housing-
and
you
know,
as
far
as
the
housing
element
goes,
I
mean
there's
a
variety
of
code
updates.
H
There
is
new
amendments
to
the
density,
bonus
law
that
the
city
would
have
to
adopt
as
well,
and
you
know
moving
forward.
I
mean
whether
it's
with
objective
standards
or
if,
if
there
is
support
for
you,
know
creating
our
own
concessions
for
density
bonuses,
you
know
that's
that
can
be
entertained
as
well.
I
think
you
know
some
in
going
back
to
some
of
the
correspondence.
H
I
mean
some
of
the
examples
that
were
provided,
and
I
mean
housing
law
there's
a
lot
to
it,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
by
right.
Under
a
density
bonus
law,
there
are
a
lot
of
concessions
that
can
be
made.
You
know
setbacks,
building
height
so
forth,
so
it
generally
depends
on
the
level
of
affordability,
that's
being
provided
so.
B
H
I
I
can
speak
to
that.
You
know
well
we're
not
guessing
on
national
averages.
However,
you
know
our
building
division.
They
don't
differentiate.
Building
permits
the
middles
based
on
whether
it's
a
full.
You
know
a
kitchen
remodel,
because
someone
wants
a
new
design
versus
you
know.
There's
a
health
and
safety
issue
associated
with
that
kitchen
or
you
know
other
structural.
H
H
Now
you
know
those
aren't
all
strictly
building
code
related,
so
you
know
there
were
some
assumptions
made.
You
know,
given
the
areas
of
where
the
older
housing
stock
was,
and
we
looked
at
where
those
property
maintenance
calls
were
made.
They
were
concentrated
in
certain
areas
and
we
made
some
assumptions
about
okay
in
these
areas
of
housing
stocks,
that's
from
the
1960s
and
before
you
know,
generally
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
more
requirement
for
upkeep.
B
F
I
do
have
a
quick
question
now
that
I
thought
about
it.
There
was
one
chart
and
I'm
trying
to
quickly
go
through
it.
I
can't
find
it
that
indicated
that
the
population
of
thousand
oaks
by
2045
would
be
20
000
people
more,
and
I
was
curious
if
I
could
get
any
information,
was
that
based
on
the
arena
numbers
going
forward
or
how
is
that
graph
made?
You
know.
H
G
G
You,
you
know,
that's
a
million
dollar
question.
We
always
say
that
the
the
growth
forecast
that
the
skeg
is
doing
is
not
really
consistent
with
the
arena
projection
and-
and
that
was
some
of
the
the
the
argument
that
cities
are
using
to
for
scared
when
we
was
doing
the
arena
appeal
and
and
because
this
is
the
chicken
and
egg
thing
that
they,
the
the
forecast,
was
done
before
they
got
the
arena
allocation
from
the
states.
So
you
you
are
correct.
They
are
not
consistent,
but
but.
G
Well,
I
think
there
are
problems
with
census
data,
though,
because
the
2020
census
data-
we
really
don't-
have
that
right
now,
but
most
of
the
census
data.
So
far
we
we
have
is
based
on
something
called
the
american
community
survey,
which
is
only
a
5
survey
of
the
community
extrapolated,
and
so
there's
always
this
margin
of
error,
particularly
when
a
community
that
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
growth
so
that
the
margin
of
error
can
push
you
above
or
below,
just
just
just
because
of
the
margin
of
error.
F
G
No,
the
arena
from
the
state
is
based
on
a
number
of
factors.
Population
is
one
thing,
but
building
permanent
issuance
and
their
whole
idea
about
household
formation,
how
it
should,
but
and
and
more
importantly,
the
arena,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
methodology
so
much,
but
more
than
60
percent
of
the
arena.
This
rant
does
not
come
from
growth
in
the
future.
G
It
comes
from
the
existing
housing
shortage
that
they
want
you
to
compensate
for
not
building
enough
over
the
last
20
years.
So
for
that
reason
alone,
your
arena
is
going
to
go
high,
even
though
higher
than
the
growth
projection,
because
that's
the
new
state
law
that
put
in
a
quote-unquote
penalty
for
not
having
built
enough
in
the
last
few
years,
a.
B
Thank
you,
chair
or
commissioner
lansin
all
right.
I
think
it
doesn't
look
like
any
of
my
fellow
commissioners
have
anything
else
to
add.
So
I
would
like
to
thank
staff
for
an
amazing,
well-researched
and,
and
great
first
draft.
I
thank
you
guys
all
for
your
efforts
and
thank
you,
ms
tam,
for
all
your
efforts
for
the
city
as
well
secretary,
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing.
B
B
F
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
as
to
edus.
The
city
has
now
put
costs
on
the
adu
page
on
their
website
of
what
the
costs
are
for
adus
to
try
to
at
least
be
transparent
about
the
process.
Again,
edu's
are
a
great
idea.
Again.
The
information
is
on
the
website
and
then
the
city
is
there
to
help
in
terms
of
giving
as
much
information
as
possible
to
make
it
work.
I
Anything
I'll
add
one
comment.
If
I
may,
mr
chair,
please,
commissioner
lansing
usually
makes
our
vaccination
and
wellness
push,
but
since
he
made
a
different
comment
this
evening,
I'll
just
note
that
I
compared
the
figures
in
ventura
county
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
summer
as
we're
going
into
fall
now
and
we've
actually
got
a
higher
number
of
cases
and
hospitalizations
at
the
end
of
the
summer
than
we
did
at
the
beginning.
I
B
D
One
is
that
the
council
will
consider
a
grant
agreement
between
the
city
and
crpd
for
the
canal,
creek
southwest
park
development,
and
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware
that
this
park
site
is
slated
for
the
planting
of
the
mitigation
trees
that
were
removed
for
the
development
of
the
at
299
east
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
So
this
is
part
you
know
part
of
that
process,
and
it's
it's
encouraging
to
see.
That's
going
forward
as
well,
for
this
is
for
the
black
walnut
trees.