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From YouTube: Thousand Oaks Planning Commission Meeting - 10/11/2021
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Thousand Oaks Planning Commission - October 11, 2021
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Thank
you,
sir.
All
right
now
is
the
time
for
public
comment.
At
this
time,
any
person
may
address
the
commission
regarding
a
city
planning
matter.
That
is
not
on
this
evening's
agenda.
Should
the
commission
wish
to
discuss
an
issue
raised
by
a
member
of
the
public?
The
issue
will
be
referred
to
staff
for
scheduling
on
a
future
agenda.
B
Anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
under
public
comments
must
complete
a
speaker
card
and
file
it
with
the
recording
secretary
before
public
comments.
Portion
of
the
agenda
is
called.
The
speaker's
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
commission
as
a
whole
and
not
to
an
individual
commissioner
or
staff
member
once
otherwise
provided
by
the
commission.
Speakers
are
limited
to
five
minutes.
The
screen
will
show
you
the
remaining
team
time
you
have.
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C
Item
7a
hearing
having
been
advertised
as
required
by
law,
is
hereby
open
to
consider
agenda
item
7a
tentative
tract
map,
ttm
2020-70726,
to
allow
the
subdivision
of
a
6.88
acre
commercial
lot
into
six
commercial
lots
for
an
existing
shopping
center
located
at
701
north
wendy
drive.
The
applicant
is
dh
holdings
incorporated
david
hornstein.
B
F
Thank
you
jerebus
before
we
go
into
the
meeting
I
want
to
introduce
jessica
jessica
is
an
associate
player
with
the
city
she's
been
with
us
since
july
of
last
year,
jessica
has
worked
on
a
number
of
exciting
projects
for
the
city
to
success
in
every
case,
and
she
comes
to
us
from
the
city
of
brea
and
as
I
mentioned,
she
worked
on
several
projects.
This
is
our
first
project
before
the
planning
commission
so
jessica.
Take
it
away.
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J
J
Although
there
is
no
new
development
associated
with
this
tentative
track
map
request
today,
there
is
a
separate
development
application
that
is
currently
under
review
in
december
of
2020
development.
Permit
minor
modification,
2020
707
to
7
and
special
use.
Permit
2021-70130
and
oak
tree
permit
2021-7022
were
submitted
to
the
city
requesting
the
construction
of
a
new
9990
square
foot,
building
to
be
utilized
as
a
daycare
facility
and
a
new
2
000
square
foot
drive-through
pad
building
to
accommodate
the
proposed
development.
The
application
also
includes
parking
lot,
hardscape
and
landscape
modifications.
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J
J
The
cpd
zone
is
one
of
the
last
remaining
counting
county
zones
in
the
city,
but
it
is
equivalent
to
the
c1
zone
of
the
city
c1
zone
and
will
be
updated
accordingly.
With
the
general
plan
update,
the
proposed
subdivision
is
required
to
comply
with
this
c1
zone
standards,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
lot
area
lot.
Depth
and
width.
J
J
And
there
is
existing
commercial
office
buildings
directly
north
across
old
conejo
road
and
existing
commercial
uses
across
wendy
drive.
There
are
residential
uses
immediately
west
and
south
of
the
project
site.
Access
to
the
site
will
not
change
and
will
continue
to
be
provided
off
of
old,
kaneho
road
and
wendy
drive.
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F
That's
a
good
question.
Vice
chair
newman,
we
have
to
respond
to
it.
The
planning
commission
per
view
for
any
entitlement
development
permit
is
when
there's
a
waiver
involved.
So
if
there's
a
setback
deviation,
it
must
go
before
the
planning
commission
if
it
meets
all
development
standards.
It's
processed
administratively
for
oak
tree
work.
If
a
tree,
that's
larger
than
24
inches
in
diameter
is
being
removed.
That
requires
plant
commission
consideration
more
than
three
oak
or
landmark.
Trees
also
requires
planning
commission.
E
Yes,
great,
thank
you
for
that
and
again,
I
know
we're
not
looking
at
the
building
projects,
but
we
are
looking
at
lot
lines
here
and
on
the
development
map.
It
appears
that
the
drive-through
restaurant,
which
is
lot
six,
I
think
that
some
of
the
traffic-
and
maybe
some
of
the
entrance
areas
spill
into
what
would
be
lot.
Five
and
my
question
is:
is
there
any
conflict
there
between
the
two
lots.
F
Another
good
question:
the
development
can
cross
over
those
lines
for
the
the
ancillary
parts
or
shared
portions
of
it.
The
building
itself
has
to
be
on
its
own
lot,
so
it
won't
cross
over
the
property
lines.
If
there
is
any
sort
of
crossing
over
that
can
be
handled
through
the
building
permit
process,
the
building
division
could
require
a
lot
tie
between
the
two
parcels
so
that
lots
can't
be
sold
individually
and
has
to
meet
certain
building
codes
when
it
does
crossover,
property
links.
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E
F
That
is
correct.
The
report
initially,
you
know
that
was
taken
out
apparently
initially
had
c3
in
there,
because
the
cpd
zone
is
traditionally
equivalent
to
the
c3
zone.
In
this
case,
in
2006,
the
planning
commission
made
a
determination
that
this
site
was
equivalent
to
the
c1
zone,
so
it
is
c1
standards.
Okay,.
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K
Thank
you,
chair
boss,
I'm
miss
magana.
Thank
you
for
your
report.
I
kind
of
want
to
just
clarify
something
that
kind
of
why
it's
even
before
us.
So
again,
looking
at
the
code
section
that
you
guys
had
in
your
presentation,
it's
the
advisory
agency
that
makes
the
decision
as
the
lot
split.
The
only
reason
it's
before
us
is
because
it's
more
than
four
units
correct.
K
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F
K
Development
aspect
newman
point
out:
there
is
a
letter
from
the
zimmerman
who
who
cited
a
lot
of
concerns
with
regard
to
a
number
of
issues
specifically
of
the
lot
six
for
the
driveway
or
the
drive
through.
If
that
actually
turns
out
to
be
that,
is
there
a
forum
by
which
she'll
have
an
opportunity
to
address
those
issues
as
part
of
the
administrative
process.
F
At
this
stage,
the
notice
of
the
public
comment
period
was
expired
on
june
10th
and
we
did
not
receive
any
correspondence
during
that
legal
notification
period.
So
at
this
point,
there's
no
administrative
hearing
that
could
be
held
at
this
point,
but
there
is
a
pill
right
still
and
we
will
send
out
whatever
the
decision
is
on
the
administrative
letter,
we
can't
send
a
copy
to
the
the
concerned
party.
I
Okay,
and
if
I
may,
mr
chairbuster
and
mr
lanson
just
to
be
clear,
mr
lansing,
you
summarize
the
the
biggest
issue
is
that
this
is
the
tentative
track.
Map
is
what's
before
you
the,
and
to
be
clear,
for.
I
think
mr
newman
made
a
comment
that
the
development
portion
is
still
under
still
being
processed.
It's
not,
I
don't
believe
it's
it's
been
finalized
yet
so
that
is
still
being
considered
by
staff
and
again
like
any
project.
I
If
it
was
something
that,
through
our
own
code,
if
there
was
an
administrative
hearing
on
a
project
and
then
that
was
appealed
of
some
kind,
it
would
go
to
the
planning
commission
again.
We
you
have
some
of
those
once
in
a
while
those
come
to
you
they're,
not
you
know
too
frequent
actually,
but
just
so
you
know
that
there's
always
those
processes
that
people
can
can
can
take
with
administrative
processed
applications.
Okay,
but
for
tonight
again
it's
about.
Do
we
have
the
findings
to
establish
a
tentative
track.
Map
is
appropriate
for
this
property.
K
Okay,
thank
you
just
a
few
more
questions.
I
noticed
that
there's
two.
I
guess
community
trash
can
area
so
to
speak
and
that
usually
signals
to
me.
It
may
be
a
potential
need
for
a
association
of
some
sort
between
the
different
property
owners,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
that's
being
suggested
here
right.
K
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K
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B
Thank
you,
sir.
All
right,
I've
got
a
few
questions
as
a
layperson,
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this
one.
My
first
question
would
be
we're
talking
about
the
potential
development
of
lot
one
and
lot
six.
If
lot
one
is
developed
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
it
takes
up
one
of
the
entrances
that
provides
access
to
lot
too,
as
well
as
most
of
the
drive-through.
For
that
taco
bell,
my
question
is:
is
do
they
have
the
capacity
to
make
the
taco
bell?
B
B
F
Yep,
thank
you,
jerry
good
question.
The
the
development
permit
is
currently
being
evaluated,
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
as
part
of
that
proposal,
so
we're
evaluating
them.
These
access
to
circulation,
as
you
mentioned,
and
the
parking
requirements
as
well.
So
it's
still
under
the
evaluation
process.
F
B
F
B
You,
okay,
because
yeah
my
other
question
would
be
there's
four
ingresses
and
egresses
here,
where
we're
talking
about
six
separate
properties,
so
two
of
the
properties
won't
have
their
own
access
points
lot.
Four
and
three
from
my
understanding
from
reading
it.
Is
that
an
issue,
and
is
that
something
that
I
do
you
guys
have
an
example
property
that
I
can
kind
of
frame
use
as
a
frame
of
reference
for
how
this
would
work.
F
Yeah
know,
with
the
oak
brook
shopping
center,
very
much
yeah
that
has
several
ownerships
as
well
in
place.
I
think
you'd
see
the
six
to
eight
owners
out
there
separate
parcels
as
well.
The
shopping
center
is
gonna,
it's
gonna
function,
the
same
as
it
functions
today,
just
different
ownership.
So
it's
access
circulation,
everything's,
going
to
be
in
place
the
way
it
is
now
minor,
tweaks
based
on
the
development
of
course,
but
there
will
still
be
that
shared
agreement
and
access
will
provide
it
over
each
slot.
F
Setbacks
are
all
being
achieved
based
on
the
c1
zoning
requirements.
They
really
don't
have
side
or
rear
setbacks
unless
it's
adjacent
to
the
residential
and
residential
has
that
20-foot
setback
that
they
would
have
to
meet
okay,
but
the
center
line
setback
from
the
center
of
wendy
or
is
being
being
met.
B
Okay,
so
we're
good
there.
The
only
reason
I
ask
is
because
I
remember
that
the
starbucks
we
approved
across
from
the
high
school
on
moore
park,
road,
the
issue
was,
is
that
you
physically
couldn't
build
anything
on
it
and
that
lot
size
was
roughly
20
000
square
feet.
I
know
a
couple
of
those
approach
that
size
on
this
one
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
could
still
build
something.
B
If
we
subdivide
this
so
then
the
only
other
question
I've
got
is
the
same
parking
question:
would
they
be
able
to
use
the
parking
individually
or
is
is?
Is
there
going
to
be
a
shared
parking
requirement
and
would
that
be
an
undue
burden
for
any
of
the
individual
owners
relative
to
other
owners,
if
somebody
say
built
their
building?
First.
F
And
that's
a
very
good
question
as
well:
we've
run
into
this
situation
quite
a
bit
when
we
have
multiple
property
owners
and
blocks
the
parking
would
be
shared
throughout
and
the
the
ownership
would
have
to
agree
to
that
shared
parking
arrangement,
because
parking
right
now
is
being
supplied
for
the
entire
development.
So
when
we
evaluate
the
project
initially
or
the
county
did,
it
was
parked
based
on
being
one
parcel
with
multiple
retail
uses
and
meet
and
park
with
down
demand
based
on
the
code
provisions
at
that
time.
B
F
B
F
B
G
You'd
pique
my
interest
with
the
discussion
regarding
lot,
one
and
two,
so
I
think
and
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
the
clarification
you
were
looking
for
is
whether
lot
one
could,
in
effect
condemn
the
access
that
taco
bell
currently
has
as
a
result
of
the
portion
of
their
drive
through
now
being
in
lot.
One,
and
my
understanding
of
that
is
no,
my
fault
would
be.
How
does
one
handle
maintenance
of
the
parking
lot?
G
D
Another
very
good
question:
oh
I'm
sorry,
yeah,
there
are
many
different
places
in
this
gap.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
an
easement
or
hoa
or
ccnrs.
There
are
many
different
ways.
One
of
them
could
be
a
reciprocal
agreement
between
all
the
property
owner
that
would
take
care
of
the
maintenance,
ownership
and
all
the
other
facilities
in
there.
As
part
of
the
map
review,
we
would
be
looking
into
something
like
that.
L
And
commissioner
link,
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
most
explanation
on
the
eastman
and
reciprocal
access
for
driveways
and
parking
staff
did
work
extensively
to
execute
that
condition
of
approval.
That
recorded
document
would
have
to
be
provided
before
the
map
is
actually
recorded
through
the
county.
So
staff
will
make
sure
that
when,
when
they
draft
this
document
indicating
the
the
mechanism
for
reciprocal
driveway
access
and
parking
and
maintenance
that
it
would
be
recorded
ahead
of
the
of
the
map
being
final
finalized
appreciate
it.
B
All
right,
anyone
else
have
any
questions
before
I
move
along.
All
right
looks
good,
so
thank
you.
Now
we
will
ask
the
applicant
an
applicant's
representatives
to
speak.
You
will
have
15
minutes,
please
state
your
name
and
city
of
residence
for
the
record.
I
believe
we
are
going
to
have
with
us
david
hornstein,
scott,
yules
and
jessica
steiner.
M
M
So
thank
you
for
hearing
our
case
on
the
country's
day
of
discovery.
So
just
a
brief
history
and
background
on
us.
We've
been
in
the
retail
industry
for
combined
60
years.
The
partnership
has
I've,
been
retail
shopping,
center
development,
leasing,
entitlement
and
management
for
roughly
25
years,
mainly
in
southern
california,
and
we
conduct
almost
everything
in-house
fun
facts,
just
two
fun
facts
about
me
and
community
service.
I'm
on
the
chair
board
of
one
one
of
my
children's
school
in
agura,
hills
known
as
ilon
ramon,
and
I
actually
assist
in
planning.
M
M
We
had
to
survive
covet
and
work
with
our
existing
tenants.
You
can
imagine
how
difficult
it's
been
over
the
past
year
and
a
half,
but
we
did
it
and,
in
the
meantime,
we're
required
for
financial
reasons
to
partialize
our
center,
not
just
for
sale
reasons,
but
really
for
financial
reasons,
for
the
partnership
and
also
our
lending
institutions
for
the
loan
for
the
construction.
Loan
lending
has
not
been
easy,
as
you
can
imagine,
in
retail,
and
to
come
by
for
construction
loans,
but
nonetheless,
we've
done
that.
M
Now,
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
while,
we've
done
we've.
We
probably
I've,
probably
done
about
20
of
these
for
a
different
company
that
I
worked
with
and
for
ourselves
and
the
partners
and
we've
partialized
and
we've
had
no
issues
with
what
we
put
together.
Most
specifically
was
for
the
city
of
wildemar.
We
did
it
four
times
on
one
street
and
we
have
an
rea
in
place.
M
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
I
know
you
could
be
watching
the
dodgers
and
I
hope
we
can
answer
any
questions.
I'm
here
my
office
is
five
exits
from
the
shopping
center
itself.
We're
in
the
community,
my
wife
and
I
and
two
kids
were
very
hands-on,
with
the
exception
of
some
leasing
that
we
do
with
outside.
We
do
everything
else
in-house
and
have
been
for
years
so
with
that
scott,
if
you'd
like
to
perhaps
add
commissioners,
I
appreciate
your
time.
N
Thank
you
david.
I
would
just
like
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
the
questions
that
came
up
and
commissioner
contreras,
I
think,
answered
this,
but
I
just
wanted
to
note
that,
in
terms
of
recording
of
the
easements,
all
of
those
easements
and
agreements
and
maintenance
would
all
be
done
and
and
conditioned
prior
to
recording
of
the
final
map,
and
that
would
be
under
one
owner
and
all
of
those
easements
would
then
be
conveyed
with
the
land
in
the
event
that
any
of
those
parcels
were
ever
sold.
N
B
L
B
K
N
D
If
I
may,
commissioner,
as
you
mentioned,
you're
true
to
the
fact
that
owner
cannot
give
easements
to
itself,
so
we
have
to
use
a
different
instrument,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
many
different
instruments
could
be
used
here.
There
could
be
a
covenant
recorded
against
the
property
to
reserve
the
rights
of
access
or
any
other
rights
of
easement
to
another
property
and
would
be
recorded
and
would
be
transferred
with
that
property.
D
K
Well
and
that's
what
I
thought
is
that
whenever
anybody
buys
the
easement
would
then
be
entered
with
that
person.
But
if
we're
requiring
this
to
be
as
part
of
the
track
map
process,
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
an
easement,
it
would
have
to
be
some.
I
think,
but
again
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
here
it
has
to
be
maybe
a
deed
restriction
or
covenant
or
something
else.
Besides
an
easement,
it
sounds
like.
K
K
Okay
and
then
mr
armstrong,
thank
you
for
going
through
the
process,
and
I
appreciate
you
being
a
commissioner
for
a
nearby
city.
That's
correct
the
question,
and
again
this
is
more
just
for
my
identification.
You
indicated
that
it's
difficult
to
get
construction
loans
on
the
entirety
of
the
property,
and
it
sounds
like
it's
easier
for
you
to
then
get
it
per
individual
property.
Is
that
true.
M
Yeah
it's
it's
mainly
because
of
how
they
appraise
it.
They
appraise
it
with
higher
value,
and
then
they
look
at
it
differently,
not
if
you're
going
to
sell
it
or
not,
but
they
they
look
at
each
one
individually,
so
they
give
it
more
value
and
therefore
you're
able
to
you
know,
get
a
construction
loan
with
that
in
place.
M
All
the
lenders
are
looking
for.
What's
going
to
happen,
if
you
can't
afford
to
pay
us
rent,
yeah
or
mortgage
and
what
happens
if
there's
another
covet
scare
and
your
tenants
don't
pay
you
and
if
god
forbid
something
like
that
should
happen,
they
want
to
know
that
there
are
options
on
the
table
to
help
me
get
out
of
my
mess.
Basically,.
K
M
Yeah,
no,
our
intention
is
to
keep
all
six.
We
don't.
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
say
in
10
or
20
years
that
we
wouldn't
sell,
but
that's
not
our
intention.
We,
we
usually
hold
our
properties,
and
you
know
we've
also
worked
with,
like
I
said,
other
cities
and
we've
created
reas
that
got
the
cities
comfortable
in
particular,
like
I
said,
the
city
of
marietta
and
wildemore
out
there
we
put
it
together,
we
have
we.
We
have
an
example
because
we've
used
it
and
it's
gotten
people
really
comfortable
with
it.
M
You
know
you
have
one
group
and
everything
gets
recorded
against
the
property,
so
no
one
can
sell
a
property
without
adhering
to
the
entire
rea
and
and
that's
it
they
have
to
live
with
it,
so
they
have
to
live
with
it.
There's
one
group
that
you
know
manages
everything
and
and
again
per
building
or
per
land
we
build
each
owner
in.
M
In
our
case,
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that,
because
it's
all
us,
but
if
there
was
everyone
gets
billed
and
one
group
actually
handles
the
management
of
everything
and
everyone
has
to
adhere
to
the
five
egresses.
There's
fi
actually
there's
five
of
them
and
and
everyone
has
to
adhere
to
the
parking
and
everyone
has
to
adhere
to
rules
and
regulations.
M
M
M
Interestingly
enough
as
it
relates
to
the
sewer
and
the
water
that
that
all
goes
to
us
as
one
bill,
and
then
we
build
each
parcel
or
each
building
individually,
so
each
tenant.
So,
for
example,
what
we
would
do
is
what
we
have
is
we
we
manage
our
properties,
and
so
we
put
together
whatever
the
costs
are
and
then
we
go
to
each
tenant
based
on
their
square
footage
and
they
pay
their
pro
rata
share
for
water
fees
for
taxes.
M
For
that
matter,
and
in
this
case
I
think
taxes
will
you
know
each
one
will
go
to
each
building
but
but
free
for
electrical,
for
example,
electrical
they
have
their
own
electrical,
but
not
for
the
shopping
center.
So
for
the
shopping
center
electrical
and
security
which
we
have
so
we
will
bill
it.
Pro
rata.
M
E
M
What
I'm
sharing
with
you
is
based
on
us
because
we're
not
developing
all
of
this
for
cash.
We
need
a
construction
loan
and
construction
lenders
today,
for
retail
are
they're
just
not
as
much
as
they
used
to
be
in
2019,
and
but
that's
not
the
only
reason
too.
It's
smart
to
do
this
in
general,
every
building
can
be
taxed
and-
and
we
do
want
the
options
for
if,
if
we
needed
to
sell
one
of
the
buildings,
we
could
so
it's
not
just
for
that.
E
E
M
M
We
we
actually
went
through
it,
but
in
addition
to
that,
I
actually
went
to
a
lot
of
the
neighbors
to
make
sure
that
I
proactively
spoke
to
anyone
that
might
have
a
concern,
especially
the
adjacent
neighbors
that
are
right
next
to
the
where
the
drive-through
is
proposed
and,
thank
goodness,
all
of
them,
none
of
them
spoke.
I
I
met
with
a
bunch
of
them
and
they
were
all
very
good
with
it.
They
said
there
was
a
big
wall
that
was
in
place
already
and
we
told
them.
M
We
were
going
to
take
into
consideration
all
of
what
was
taken
into
consideration
at
the
starbucks
and
all
of
the
issues
with
noise
etc,
and
that
we
would
make
sure
we
would
address
all
of
those
concerns
if
any
we
notified
everyone.
No
one
came
to
speak
about
it.
Ironically,
they
there
were
a
couple
jessica.
I
think
they
came
to
speak
on
the
learning
experience,
but
not
the
drive-through,
and
then
this
all
of
a
sudden
came
this
morning.
B
Thank
you,
bye,
sure
newman.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
questions?
I
don't
see
anybody
else.
I
just
had
one
question:
perhaps
you
can
answer
for
me
the
lot
lines
that
are
drawn
here
for
the
six
lots
were
those
drawn
by
you
or
by
mutual
agreement
with
the
city,
or
how
do
we
come
up
with
these
shapes?
Just
out
of
curiosity,.
M
N
I
know
it
will
be
shared
parking,
but
there's
also
agreements
that
are
in
place
for
maintenance
and
that
helps
sort
of
lead
those
agreements
in
terms
of
maintenance
and
use
of
the
area
and
to
have
the
the
lots
in
the
shape
that
they
are
and
meeting
all
of
the
other
city
codes
in
terms
of
front
setbacks,
etc.
So
that's
we
developed
the
lots
based
on
that
presented
to
the
city
and
reviewed
it
with
them
to
make
sure
that
we
were
in
conformance
from
each
individual
lot
standpoint.
B
All
right,
I
will.
I
will
assume
that
that
is
I'll,
follow
up
with
staff
about
that
as
well,
because
it
still
bugs
me
at
that
drive-through
is
cut
off
like
that.
It
just
seems
difficult
for
my
brain
to
process.
That
was
the
ideal
way
to
draw
those
lines,
but
makes
sense
what
you're
saying,
though,
thank
you.
B
B
O
O
I
assure
you,
I
know
the
folks
in
this
community
pretty
well,
so
I
want
to
say
that,
contrary
to
your
claim,
we
really
have
not
had
sufficient
access,
but
I
would
invite
mr
hornstein
to
come
to
one
of
our
casa
conejo
map
meetings
and
we
can
arrange
to
get
him
on
our
agenda
and
he
can
have
public
comment
for
that
in
an
appropriate
time.
We
meet
the
third
wednesday
of
every
other
month.
We
met
in
september,
so
we
don't
meet
until
november
next.
O
My
concern,
my
primary
concern
is
with
putting
a
drive-through
immediately
next
to
homes,
on
wendy
drive
and
drive-throughs,
of
course,
have
a
different
mentality
associated
with
them.
They
have
a
much
greater
noise,
they
have
a
much
higher
traffic
volume
and
that
I
would
not
want
to
live
immediately
next
to
a
drive-through.
I
live
just
a
few
blocks
from
the
shopping
center.
I
frequently
walk
over
there.
I've
seen
all
the
different
reiterations
in
that
shopping
center
for
over
20
years
as
a
nearby
resident
of
it.
O
The
taco
bell
works
where
it
is
because
it's
over
by
the
mobile
station
it's
situated
across
the
street
and
surrounded
by
businesses,
not
homes,
I
wouldn't
want
loudspeakers
and
cars
and
radios
blaring
in
all
the
noise
of
a
drive-through.
If
I
was
one
of
the
homeowners
right
along
verna
and
along
wendy
drive
right
next
to
that
shopping
center,
I
sent
you
lots
of
pictures
that
I
took
myself
so
the
people
on
the
council.
O
The
commission
could
see
better
what
we
are
talking
about,
because
the
illustrations
provided
in
the
staff
plans
really
don't
show
you
where
it
is
in
relationship
to
bella
drive.
I
walked
from
the
corner
of
bella
and
wendy
down
to
where
the
shopping
center
starts.
It
took
me
less
than
60
strides
to
get
there,
so
it's
very,
very
close
traffic
is
coming
and
going
in
all
directions.
There
are
no
traffic
signals,
there
are
no
crosswalks.
O
All
we
have
is
what
you
might
call
a
suicide
lane
for
all
the
various
turns
coming
and
going
onto
that.
We
have
a
left
turn
lane
for
bella
and
you
have
suicide
lanes
in
the
middle
of
wendy
drive
for
the
turns
in
and
out
of
the
shopping
center
and
coming
back
out
and
on
it's
it's
a
zoo
as
it
is
wendy
drive
narrows
to
one
lane
in
each
direction.
O
As
that
shopping
center
comes
to
an
end
in
your
illustrations,
you
can
see
the
arrows
that
show
the
merge
the
merge
arrows.
You
can
see
them
and
people
routinely
use
that
right
hand
lane
as
a
passing
lane.
They
are
too
impatient
to
wait
in
the
straight
lane
to
go
up,
wendy
drive
and
on
to
wherever,
and
then
they
go
from
the
right
hand,
lane
make
sudden
left
veers
to
go
into
the
mcdonald's
and
the
magus
shopping
center,
and
it's
it's
a
zoo
as
it
is.
O
Adding
significantly
more
traffic
in
that
corner
would
be
a
nightmare
for
us.
It
would
be
detrimental
further
at
the
corner
of
wendy
and
bella.
We
have
an
ambulance
station
that
ambulance
has
to
be
able
to
get
out.
I
have
often
tried
to
get
out
from
my
community
on
to
bel
from
bella
onto
wendy.
I
cannot
go
any
place
without
using
wendy
drive.
O
O
So
when
you
add
a
whole
bunch
of
traffic
to
that-
and
I
can
often
wait
for
30
cars
just
for
me
to
come
to
come
through
just
so,
I
can
make
a
right
turn
to
go
down
wendy
to
go
wherever
I'm
headed,
whether
it's
the
freeway
or
one
of
the
other
shopping
centers
or
any
place
else.
I
can
easily
wait
30
30
cars
worth.
O
B
I
L
B
L
L
L
I'll
begin
with
the
with
the
actual
subdivision
comments,
staff
looks
at
the
six
lot
subdivision
and
we
look
for
conformance
with
the
development
standards
under
the
c1
zone.
Meaning
does
the
do
the
six
slots
meet
the
standard
criteria
for
lot
size,
lot,
area
lot,
dev,
lot,
width
and
block
frontage
and
access.
L
So
again,
that's
that's
what
we?
Those
are
my
comments
regarding
the
actual
lot
subdivision
now
regarding
the
actual
development
permit
minor
modification
and
oak
tree
permit
for
the
separate
application
staff
does
provide
various
means
of
notification
for
the
proposed
project
for
that
development.
Permit
minor
modification
staff
provides
a
mailer
to
surrounding
property
owners
within
500
feet
of
the
subject.
Property
and
staff
also
requires
that
the
applicant
do
post
the
actual
notice
of
application
sign
on
the
project.
L
Frontage
along
wendy
and
old
conejo
staff
has
required
that
the
applicant
comply
with
this
signpost
and
requirement,
and
it
has
been
executed
and
as
planning
manager,
steve
kearns
mentioned
the
expiration
date
for
that
notice
of
application.
Notification
for
comment
and
review
expired
on
on
on
june
10th.
L
Should
it
lead
to
that
appeal
hearing,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
really
briefly
mention
staff.
Does
a
very
detailed
conformance
review
of
the
development
permit
minor
modification
we
route
project
plans
to
various
departments
and
and
agencies
in
the
city,
but
department
of
public
works,
police
and
fire.
So
as
we
do
the
conformance
review
of
that
project,
we
looked
at
many
parameters,
including
impacts
to
adjacent
surrounding
residential
properties.
In
this
case,
there
was
a
lot
of
comment
regarding
the
proposed
drive
through
and
its
impacts
on.
The
adjacent
residential
properties.
L
Such
design
measures
would
be
to
increase
setbacks
from
that
southern
property
line
near
residential
properties,
reducing
the
height
of
light
fixtures,
citing
the
the
speaker
boxes
in
a
way
that
would
reduce
any
noise
impacts
on
the
surrounding
properties.
Our
department
of
public
works
traffic
division
also
looked
at
the
stacking
and
queuing
as
designed
by
the
applicant,
and
it
was
also
mentioned,
and
I
want
to
end
it
with.
L
It-
was
mentioned
of
citing
the
drive
tube
on
the
northern
portion
of
the
property
when
staff
sap
does
not
design
the
proposed
project
for
the
applicant.
The
applicant
looked
at
various
design
alternatives
to
place
the
the
proposed
drive
through
on
the
subject
property.
What
staff
looks
like
looks
at
is
conformance
with
our
city
standards,
codes
and
policies
and
basic
based
on
the
current
design
of
that
drive-through
facility
and
we're
excited
today.
H
L
A
staff
has
not
received
any
notification
or
request
for
project
details
from
those
surrounding
residential
properties.
Again,
the
only
correspondence
that
staff
has
received
is
from
the
surrounding
property
owner
wendy
zimmerman
on
the
impacts
of
the
project,
not
only
from
the
for
the
subdivision,
but
also
for
the
actual
development
permit
modification.
B
M
I
I'll
try
not
to
take
five
minutes.
I
appreciate
you
listening
to
this
and
and
voting
on
just
the
land
use
component
for
partialization
and
we
did
reach
out.
Maybe
we
didn't
reach
out
to
wendy
and
so
shame
on
me
so,
but
it
sounded
like
maybe
planning
did
but
we'll
address
that
over
the
next
few
weeks
and
share
all
of
our
findings
with
the
queuing,
and
I
mean
we
went.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that.
M
M
M
The
center
really
needed
something
and
we
we
are
hearing
that
and
and
and
the
like,
I
said
the
residents
that
are
directly
affected,
not
not
ones
that
are
maybe
two
or
three
or
four.
I
don't
know
half
a
mile
away,
thank
goodness
had
no
issues
and
they're
very
happy
that
they
were
spoken
to
and
we're
we're
grateful
for
that
and
we're
grateful
for
your
time,
and
I
don't
need
to
take
any
more
time.
I
I
hope
to
thank
you
very
much.
That's
what
I
want
to
say.
Thank
you.
B
G
I
actually
chair
bus.
I
just
had
one
comment,
though
well
mr
hornstein
mentioned
that
and
just
off
the
cuff,
and
because
it's
me,
I
did
notice
that
your
site
you're
using
red
pavement
markings.
I
should
this
is
sort
of
a
recommendation,
slash
admonishment,
even
though
it
is
private
property.
You
are
subject
to
the
requirements
of
the
manual
on
uniform
traffic
control
devices
and
those
are
supposed
to
be
white.
So
just
just
so,
you
know.
Okay,
thank
you
that
way.
G
I
I'm
sure
bus-
yes,
please
just
before
you
close
the
hearing
just
I
want
to
be
clear
again
for
all
of
you
that,
what's
before
you
tonight
is
a
tentative
track
map.
I
know
I
don't
want
to
repeat
myself
too
much,
but
hearing
staff
again
and
hearing
the
public
comments
and
some
of
the
questions.
It
is
imperative
that
you
understand
that
tonight
before
you
is
not
any
of
the
development
aspect
of
this
parcel,
but
the
tentative
track
map
separating
this
property
into
three
six
legal
lots.
L
B
B
If
I
may,
no,
let
me
follow.
Let
me
finish
this
real
quick
and
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
mr
hornstein
real
quick
just
so
I
understand
this
in
my
head.
You
were
also
very
clear
that
you
can't
make
that
drive
through
happen,
unless
this
subdivision
happens
correct
that
that
that's
how
the
financing
will
work
at
the
best
time.
B
M
B
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
want
to
follow
up
on
your
your
question
of
staff
and
ask:
is
there
an
order
of
operations
issue
here
we
just
heard
that
the
development
approval
there
is
no
development
approval
as
yet
it's
under
consideration
and
the
question
before
us
tonight
is
a
tentative
track
map
question
only
and
my
question
is:
is
there
does
one
have
to
come
before
the
other
or
do
those
are
those
two
things
completely
independent.
F
Those
those
two
projects
are
completely
independent,
they're
not
contingent
on
any
either
one
of
them
happening,
so
the
map
can
be
recorded
without
the
development
permit
and
development
permit
to
be
reviewed
without
the
map
being
reported,
so
it's
they're
not
dependent
on
each
other.
Very
good.
Thank.
E
B
K
Thank
you
chairbus.
I
I
think
in
looking
at
this
process,
especially
one
of
the
issues
with
regard
to
the
use
of
the
property,
we're
probably
dealing
with
a
little
bunch
too
much
transparency,
to
be
honest
with
you
in
terms
of
the
information
that
was
provided
to
us
as
to
the
actual
intended
use
by
virtue
of
some
other
applications
that
haven't
been
approved
and
again,
there's
a
different
process
by
which
those
applications
are
being
considered.
K
Again,
we
were
given
information
about
it,
which,
which
again
is,
is
nice
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
see
kind
of
where
things
are
going,
but
again,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
my
personal
feeling
is,
we
can't
look
into
as
to
what
the
actual
potential
uses
of
those
tenants
or
those
different
properties
are
because,
as
we
say,
it's
hypothetical
something
might
fall
through
the
lender
may
say
no.
It
may
be
a
lot
of
different
things.
K
So
right
now
for
us
to
sit
there
and
hypothetically
look
at
this
issue
from
the
track
map
standpoint
applying
what
ms
zimmerman
and
others
may
be
concerned
about.
I
understand
that,
but
at
the
same
point
I
feel
that
we're
going
above
and
beyond
our
authority
and
again
making
kind
of
you
know
decisions
and
ideas
of
things
that
again
is
part
of
a
separate
process.
I
I
heard
mr
contreras
say
that
he'll
include
ms
zimmerman
as
part
of
the
further
discussion,
which
is
great
ms
everman.
K
K
We
can't
decide
even
comment
on
by
virtue
of
what
those
those
uses
are
and
all
we
all
we
look
back
to
is
exactly
what
we're
asked
to
do,
which
again
is
as
an
advisory
agency
under
the
applicable
thousand
oaks
municipal
code
section,
which
again,
the
only
reason
it's
even
before
us,
is
because
it's
more
than
four
units
in
terms
of
how
it's
being
split
up
in
looking
at
the
process.
I'm
satisfied
in
terms
of
how
they've
done
the
process
that
it
will
be
done
effectively,
I'm
very
happy.
K
They
want
to
come
and
invest
in
the
city
and
make
that
vlog
I
pass
by
this.
I
go
to
work
every
day
along
newbury
road.
So
I
I
like
the
fact
of
seeing
that
there's
something
going
to
go
in
that
pad
that's
been
sitting
there
empty
for
a
long
time.
I
appreciate
what
they're
trying
to
do.
I
understand
the
process.
K
I
understand
the
difficulties,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
be
in
favor
of
it
and
I'm
going
to
make
the
motion
which
is
to
approve
gotta,
get
the
terminology
adopt
resolution
ttm
2020-7076,
based
on
the
rulings.
I'm
sorry,
based
on
the
findings
and
subject
the
conditions
contained
in
the
resolution.
B
G
I
would
just
sorry
about
that.
I
would
just
like
to
echo
commissioner
lance
and
I
think
in
this
case
we
might
have
gotten
a
tmi,
we're
probably
skirting
the
agendized
item-
sort
of
issue
here
where
it
was
not
under
our
purview
and
probably
you
should
not
have
been
under
discussion
because
it
has
no
legal
bearing
on
the
decision
we
have
to
make
tonight.
But
I
am
in
favor
of
moving
forward
with
approving
the
attentive
track
map.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'll.
Concur
with
the
previous
comments.
I
too
support
the
project.
I
do
want
to
say
to
ms
zimmerman
if
our
roles
were
reversed.
If
I
were
a
neighbor-
and
I
am
a
former
tenant
in
that
area-
and
I
know
the
area
quite
well-
and
you
were
sitting
here-
I
would
probably
be
writing
a
letter
similar
to
the
one
you
wrote,
perhaps
not
quite
as
eloquent,
but
raising
some
of
those
same
concerns.
E
But
I
do
want
to
concur
with
the
point
commissioner
lansin
and
mr
heeher
made,
which
is
that
the
developments
themselves
are
not
the
question
before
us
tonight.
The
only
question
before
us
is
whether
to
divide
up
this
one,
current
commercial
lot
into
six
commercial
lots
and
that's
it.
There
are
certainly
other
issues
when
it
comes
to
development,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
continue
to
weigh
in
on
those
I'm.
E
H
I
do
agree
with
most
of
what's
been
said
before
I
do
I
I
will
support
the
motion.
However,
there's
never
too
much
information
we
should
know
what's
going
on
and
this
this
planning
commission
hearing
is
as
a
vehicle
for
the
public
to
hear
what
is
going
on
and
but
other
than
that.
I
do
agree
with
my
fellow
commissioners.
D
B
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
bob
that
we
got
a
good
idea
of
what
they're
planning
on
doing
in
the
shopping
center.
I
am
actually
excited
to
hear
that
they
have
that
they
have
plans
for
the
shopping
center
and
that
they're
going
to
be
investing
in
it.
I
was
a
frequent
user
of
the
fresh
and
easy
supermarket
that
was
there
a
few
years
back,
and
I
am
well
aware
that
there
are
traffic
issues
on
wendy
drive
and
old
canelo
road.
B
D
E
B
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
boss
and
members
of
the
commission.
I've
got
a
few
updates
for
you.
The
general
plan
update
the
general
plan
team
submitted
the
draft
housing
element
to
the
state,
housing
and
community
development
lab
department
last
week,
so
we'll
be
awaiting
comments
from
them.
They're
currently
working
on
the
policy
framework
for
the
general
plan,
and
they
are
targeting
the
end
of
the
year
for
another
sheetpack
meeting.
So
keep
that
on
your
radars.
Let's
move
along
as
well
as
we
can
the
upcoming
pc
items
on
october
25th.
F
F
F
There
are
two
items
on
city
council
for
tomorrow
night
there's
legislative
updates
and
the
community
development
department,
work
program
and
initiation
of
an
mca
municipal
code,
amendment
to
allow
for
religious
facilities
within
our
single
family
estate.
Zoning,
and
that
is
all
the
updates
I
have
for
you
steven.