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Thousand Oaks Planning Commission Meeting - 7/10/23
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D
The
applicants
requesting
concessions
as
Allowed
by
state
density
bonus
law
to
allow
an
increase
in
the
maximum
allowed
height
from
25
feet
to
41
feet,
8
inches
and
a
decrease
in
the
north
side
yard,
set
back
from
15
feet
to
5
feet
and
a
waiver
of
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
to
allow
a
reduction
of
the
Landscaping
required
around
the
perimeter
of
the
above
ground.
Portions
of
the
proposed
parking
structure
on
the
northeast
side
is
allowed
by
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code,
section
9-4.2405
and
parcel
merger
number.
D
J
J
The
subject
property
is
a
0.74
gross
acre
lot,
approximately
800
feet,
Northeast
of
the
intersection
of
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
and
herbs
Road,
the
Topography
of
the
site,
ascends
approximately
33
feet
from
herbs
Road
out
to
the
Northwest
and
to
the
rear,
the
southeast
of
the
property,
which
ends
at
the
base
of
an
existing
retaining
wall
serving
the
45
unit,
YOLO
East
Apartments,
located
at
1825
Los,
Feliz
Drive.
The
site
is
currently
vacant
and
covered
in
mowed
grasses.
J
In
a
few
non-protected
trees,
existing
multi-family
residentials
surrounds
the
site
to
the
east
north
and
west,
including
across
herbs
road
with
a
single-family
residential
on
the
property
to
the
South.
The
general
plan
land
use
element
designation
for
the
property
is
high
density
residential,
which
allows
30
units
30
dwelling
units
per
acre
maximum
and
the
zone
is
residential
plan
development
for
a
maximum
of
20
dwelling
units
per
acre.
A
multi-family
use
is
allowed
in
this
Zone
subject
to
review
and
approval
of
an
RPD
permit
and
per
California
state
law.
J
J
The
property,
as
I
mentioned,
is
one
of
the
last
remaining
vacant
Lots
on
herbs
Road
and
although
it
is
assigned
a
single
tax,
assessor
parcel
number
or
APN,
the
subject
site
is
actually
three
separate
legal
Lots,
which
are
requested
to
be
merged.
As
part
of
this
project,
the
proposed
project
includes
the
construction
of
a
three-story
30
unit,
split
level
apartment
building,
with
the
parking
structure
knocked
notched
into
the
existing
slope,
moving
from
herbs
at
the
front
towards
the
YOLO
East
apartment,
building
to
the
rear.
J
The
project
proposes
26
one-bedroom
units
and
four
two
bedroom
units
for
a
total
of
30
units.
Five
of
the
30
units
will
be
designated
as
affordable
for
households
in
the
low
income
category,
which
is
defined
as
households
with
incomes
at
or
below
80
percent
or
less
of
the
area
median
income
for
Ventura
County.
J
The
applicant
is
utilizing
State
density
bonus
law
in
the
following
way.
The
maximum
density
for
this
project
without
a
density
bonus
is
22
dwelling
units
using
the
formula
you
see
in
the
first
line,
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
that
twenty
percent
or
five
of
the
22
units
be
affordable
at
the
low
income
level.
By
providing
20
of
the
base
units
for
residents
with
low
income
levels,
the
applicant
is
entitled
to
up
to
a
35
density
bonus.
J
This
allows
the
applicant
to
add
up
to
eight
more
dwelling
units
for
a
total
of
30
units,
maximum
per
state
density
bonus
law
based
on
the
percentage
of
low-income
units
offered.
The
applicant
is
also
entitled
to
two
incentives
or
concessions
for
this
project.
The
two
requested
concessions
include
one:
an
increase
in
the
maximum
allowed
height
from
25
feet
to
41
feet
and
eight
inches
and
two
a
decrease
in
the
north
side
yard
setback
from
15
feet
to
5
feet.
J
They
are
also
partially
requesting
the
reduced
parking
rate
Allowed
by
the
state
density
bonus
law
which
I
will
get
into
later
on.
In
this
presentation,
the
Project's
architectural
design
is
a
contemporary
style
similar
to
the
adjacent
YOLO
East
Apartments.
The
exterior
walls
of
the
building
are
a
mix
of
five
Earth
Tone
colors,
with
materials
primarily
consisting
of
cement,
plaster
and
fiber
cement
board,
siding
with
metal,
awnings,
decorative
balcony
railings
and
a
cornice
cap
detail.
J
Frontage
Improvement
features
include
cast
concrete
wood
grain
around
the
street
facing
Planters
and
a
trellis
wrapped
wrapping
one
corner
of
the
ground
floor
Lobby.
It
should
be
noted
that
the
applicant
team
worked
with
staff
to
incorporate
feedback
and
recommendations
for
improved
design
and
upgraded
details.
J
The
front
facade
of
the
proposed
project
will
be
elevated
slightly
from
the
street,
with
Landscaping
in
the
front
similar
to
other
multi-family
Development,
Across,
The
Street
and
to
the
north.
Additionally,
there
is
vertical
and
horizontal
articulation
on
the
building
that
enhances
its
visual
appearance
from
Irv's
Road,
including
a
common
use,
patio
on
the
ground
level
and
balconies
projecting
from
the
building
face
above
where
visible
above
ground.
The
parking
structure
incorporates
decorative
screens
and
Landscaping.
J
As
you
can
see
here,
while
it
is
generally
preferred
to
locate
parking
structures
towards
the
rear
of
the
structure
or
completely
Underground
the
project,
as
proposed
minimizes
land
alteration
by
notching,
the
parking
garage
into
the
lower
part
of
the
existing
slope
and
stepping
the
structure
in
a
split
level
design
as
the
elevation
Rises
overall,
the
average
height
of
the
building
is
32
feet.
6
inches.
The
proposed
structure
includes
a
maximum
parapet
height
of
41
feet,
8
inches,
which
occurs
at
the
top
of
the
parapet.
J
Screening
the
mechanical
equipment
above
the
Second
Story
Lofts
facing
the
street
per
the
municipal
code
section,
which
was
in
effect
at
the
time
of
the
project
submittal
the
maximum
Building
height
in
the
RPD
zone,
is
25
feet.
The
building
height
may
be
raised
by
increasing
the
side,
yard
setbacks,
one
half
foot
for
each
two
feet
increase
in
height
in
order
to
avoid
increasing
the
side
yard
setbacks.
In
this
way,
the
applicant
has
requested
a
concession
to
increase
the
maximum
height
allowed.
J
J
The
municipal
code
does
not
specifically
State
a
minimum
rare
yard
setback
requirement
for
multi-family
apartment
complexes,
but
rather
the
required
setback
is
to
be
determined
by
the
Planning
Commission.
In
conjunction
with
the
review
of
the
project
based
on
past
approvals
of
residential
projects
in
the
city,
a
15-foot
rear
setback
has
generally
been
required.
J
It
is
staff's
position
that
the
proposed
rear
yard
setback
is
appropriate
as
adequate
light
and
air
will
be
available
to
residents
of
both
the
existing
multi-family
building
on
the
adjacent
property
and
the
proposed
building
a
minimum
side
yard
setback
of
15
feet
is
required.
However,
the
applicant
has
elected
to
request
a
concession
to
allow
a
side
yard
step
back
on
the
north
side
of
five
feet
for
the
trash
area.
Only
with
the
acceptance
of
the
density
bonus
conception,
the
project
meets
all
setbacks
required
by
the
municipal
code.
J
The
municipal
code
also
provides
a
space
allocation
formula
to
be
used
as
a
guideline
in
evaluating
the
site
plan
for
any
residential
project
in
the
RPD
Zone.
The
guidelines
and
proposed
allocation
are
shown
here
for
high
density
residential
projects.
Although
the
structure
coverage
exceeds
the
amount
stated
in
the
guidelines,
the
amount
of
the
surface
parking
excuse
me.
The
amount
of
service
parking
is
greatly
reduced
from
the
recommended
amount
due
to
the
site
constraint.
Con
constraints
and
number
of
units
provided
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
space
allocation
is
acceptable.
J
The
project
site
proposes
direct
access
from
herbs
Road.
The
proposed
project
includes
direct
pedestrian
access
to
the
lobby
and
small
outdoor
seating
area
from
the
existing
sidewalk
along
the
property.
Frontage
direct
Street
access
is
not
provided
to
the
residential
units,
as
none
are
located
on
the
ground
floor.
J
J
40
parking
spaces
will
be
located
in
the
garage
and
two
temporary
spaces
are
proposed
to
be
located
just
outside
the
garage
entrance
for
a
total
of
42
parking
spaces.
Two
on-street
parking
spaces
already
exist
in
a
Poland
area
in
front
of
the
property,
but
do
not
count
towards
the
proposed
parking.
In
addition,
infrastructure
for
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
and
bicycle
parking
in
front
of
the
building
is
proposed.
J
Pursuant
to
both
state
density,
bonus
law
and
the
municipal
code.
The
parking
ratio
is
required
for
multi-family
apartment.
Buildings
are
one
parking
space
per
one
bedroom
unit.
However,
the
municipal
code
requires
two
parking
spaces
per
two-bedroom
unit,
as
opposed
to
one
and
a
half
parking
spaces
for
a
two-bedroom
unit,
which
is
allowed
per
state
law.
J
As
such,
the
state
law
would
allow
the
applicant
to
provide
as
few
as
32
spaces,
where
the
municipal
code
would
normally
require
49
parking
spaces
to
be
provided
based
on
the
number
and
type
of
units
provided,
as
the
applicant
has
requested.
The
state
standard
guest
parking
is
not
required,
however.
They
are
providing
the
municipal
code
required
number
of
spaces
per
residential
unit
type
and
have
provided
eight
additional
spaces
to
accommodate
three
temporary
Rideshare
or
delivery
spaces
within
the
garage
and
the
two
temporary
Lobby
access
spaces
outside
the
garage.
J
J
As
seen
in
this
table,
the
total
surface
parking
and
driveway
area
requiring
landscape
treatment
is
about
2770
square
feet.
The
Total
Landscape
area
provided
is
approximately
5224
square
feet,
which
greatly
exceeds
the
municipal
code
requirement
for
a
minimum
parking
area
landscape
coverage,
including
the
additional
25
square
feet
for
each
compact
space.
J
The
project
complies
with
code
requirements
for
the
required
landscape
areas,
including
that
landscape
area
allocation.
However,
the
municipal
code
also
requires
that
the
perimeter
of
any
single
level
above
grade
parking
structure
shall
be
provided
with
a
landscape
planter
of
at
least
five
feet
in
width
at
the
ground
level.
J
The
project
complies
with
this
requirement,
except
for
the
portions
of
the
parking
structure
above
grade
on
the
northeast
side.
Due
to
the
required
driveway
width
as
such,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
waiver
to
provide
release
relief
from
this
requirement.
As
Allowed
by
the
municipal
code
staff
believes.
The
proposed
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
code
as
all
parts
of
the
parking
structure
that
are
visible
from
the
street,
incorporate
decorative
elements
and
Landscaping.
J
All
units
include
private,
patios
and
balconies,
as
well
as
access
to
Common
amenities.
The
ground
level
provides
a
mail
room
and
a
Lobby
and
outdoor
seating
area
with
trellis
and
bicycle
stance.
The
second
floor
consists
of
the
courtyard
which
includes
an
outdoor
barbecue
and
fire
pit,
as
well
as
a
separate
gym
area
and
business
center
with
Web
Bar.
The
municipal
code
requires
that
all
apartment
units
have
a
minimum
private
balcony
or
patio
area
of
100
square
feet
with
a
minimum
depth
of
seven
feet.
The
project
meets
and,
in
some
cases
exceeds
these
requirements,
as
proposed.
J
There
is
an
elevation
difference
of
approximately
33
feet
between
herbs,
Road
and
the
high
point
of
the
rear
of
the
property.
The
subject
request
includes
grading
on
approximately
half
of
the
property,
which
is
characterized
by
25
or
greater
natural
Terrain
encroachment
into
this
terrain
may
be
allowed
by
the
Planning,
Commission
or
City
Council.
In
the
past.
Such
encroachments
have
been
allowed
if
they
involve
isolated
pockets
or
fingers
of
steeper
terrain,
have
limited
visibility
from
a
community-wide
standpoint
and
are
necessary
for
a
proposed
project
for
this
project.
J
The
area
of
encroachment
is
not
a
highly
sensitive
area,
such
as
on
a
protected
Ridgeline,
where
the
encroachment
would
result
in
a
negative
visual
impact,
as
viewed
from
a
street
due
to
the
existing
site
conditions
and
constraints.
Encroachment
into
25
percent
rain
for
the
proposed
project
is
unavoidable.
J
As
such,
in
the
staff's
position
that
the
proposed
location
of
the
project
and
split
level,
design
minimizes
impact
to
the
Natural
landforms
and
will
result
in
a
desirable
project
which
contributes
to
the
city's
housing
goals,
the
proposed
project
has
been
designed
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
city
standards,
codes
and
policies.
The
proposed
building,
design
and
site
layout
integrate
well
with
the
surrounding
development
and
has
a
cohesive
architectural
design.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Miss
Kendall,
for
the
presentation
and
addressing
the
comments
regarding
the
affordable
units
to
shall
I
think
that'll
that'll
be
a
good
strengthening
for
the
public
benefit
we
get
for
that.
The
one
question
I
did
have
and
I
I
think
I
have
the
answer,
but
I
would
just
like
maybe
a
little
Clarity
from
maybe
our
City
attorney
on
this
one.
So
the
general
plan,
designation
for
this
is
high
density
residential.
K
The
range
is
15
to
30
units
per
net
acre
the
zoning
allows
for
20.,
but
this
is
a
project
whose
Baseline
starts
with
30
units
per
acre,
plus
the
density
bonuses
on
top
of
that
and
the
housing
accountability
act.
I
think
that
is
what
what
is
stressed
here
points
to
a
particular
section.
That
says
at
least
it
was
in
the
staff
report.
K
S
of
the
section
of
proposed
Housing
Development
is
not
inconsistent
with
the
applicable
zoning
standards
and
Criterion
shall
not
require
a
rezoning
if
the
housing
development
is
consistent
with
the
objective
General
plan
standards
and
criteria,
but
the
Zoning
for
the
project
site
is
inconsistent
with
the
general
plan.
That's
the
there's
a
first
sentence,
there's
a
second
sentence
that
sort
of
says
it
can
be
if
we've
notified
them
and
told
them
to
comply.
K
They
get
the
density
that
the
general
plan
States
I,
wanted
to
just
get
an
understanding
of
what
our
the
city's
position
is
on
this.
Are
we
saying
that
the
zoning
is
inconsistent
with
the
general
plan,
or
are
we
saying
it's
consistent?
It's
just
that
in
these
cases
where
the
density
is
state,
law
is
kind
of
giving
the
rights
to
the
project
proposer
to
the
density
Allowed
by
the
general
plan,
designation,
long
long,
big
long
sentence
but
I'm
sure
you
I.
C
Think
I
have
it.
First
of
all,
you
summarize
the
issue
quite
well,
I
think
the
answer.
The
quick
answer
is
the
latter,
which
is
that
we
look
at
what
the
general
plan
allows,
which
is
up
to
30,
and
in
this
case
zoning
is
20
but,
as
you
noted,
under
the
housing
accountability
act
and
under
the
housing
crisis
act
for
the
State
of
California
that
we
all
are
at
this
point
very
familiar
with.
They
have
made
it
quite
clear
that
if
there's,
if
you
look
at
those
two
numbers
and
say
okay,
that's
inconsistent
right.
C
L
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
Miss
Kendall,
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
always
start
first
of.
Why
are
we
here
so
at
the
very
beginning,
you've
identified
two
issues
as
to
why
this
is
before
us
and
based
on
your
presentation,
it
seems
like
there's
a
few
more
in
terms
of
the
grade
and
other
things.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
why
is
this
before
us
and
and
and
clarify
exactly
what
areas
that
we
have
discretion?
What
areas
that
we're
required
to
accept
by
virtue
of
maybe
density
bonus
laws.
J
L
L
L
E
Thank
you,
Ms
Kendall
for
the
presentation,
I
had
a
couple
general
questions
and
then
just
to
sort
of
put
on
record.
We
had
had
an
aside
about
earlier,
so
one
of
my
concerns
about
access
for
this
project
is
with
regard
to
Fire,
and
it
is
my
understanding
from
Ventura
County
fire
that
all
aerial
access
will
be
handled
from
herbs
Road.
There
is
no
need
for
the
apparatus
to
actually
enter
the
site.
That's.
J
E
E
It's
there
today:
okay,
yeah
yeah,
probably
don't
as
a
result
of
the
herbs
road
construction
years
back,
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
those
two
are
separate.
So
the
dedication
is
purely
at
the
driveways
or
at
least
that
easement,
the
sidewalk
behind
the
new
driveways
is
the
only
dedication
occurring
as
part
of
this
project.
E
M
N
J
So
the
setback
between
the
single
family,
property,
I'll,
say
down
the
hill
closer
to
Thousand,
Oaks
Boulevard
ranges
from
I
think
it's
something
like
26
feet
where
the
proposed
building
is
next
to
the
existing
house
and
is,
as
short
as
15
feet
from
that's
the
closest
point
of
the
proposed
building
to
the
property
line
that
occurs
in
the
rear
yard
of
the
single
family
residents.
They
have
a
steep
slope,
that's
undeveloped,
on
that
property
and
then
on
the
uphill
side
or
up
Street
side.
B
B
J
B
B
J
That's
correct
so
on
the
screen
here
and
I'm
sure
the
applicant
will
get
into
this
as
well.
The
dashed
the
dark
dashed
area
is
the
neighboring
existing
property,
so
the
the
kind
of
thicker
dashes
are
the
top
and
the
thinner
dashes
are
the
finished
floor
estimated
finished
floor
for
that
existing
property.
So
you
can
see
the
trash
chute.
It's
labeled
elevator,
because
that's
on
the
other
side,
but
that
thin
green
Tower
kind
of
in
the.
J
I
can
I
point
with
this.
Yes
right
here.
This
is
the
trash
chute
area
and
it's
incorporated
as
part
of
the
building,
but
it's
what
juts
out
closer
to
the
property
line,
and
you
can
see
this
is
the
open
parking
area
of
the
neighboring
property,
so
the
the
units
of
that
property
don't
start
until
here.
B
J
L
B
O
O
Our
project
tonight
before
you
as
mentioned,
is
a
30
unit
apartment
building
with
five
low-income
units.
Our
units
vary
in
size
from
one
to
two
bedrooms.
Some
have
Lofts
all
units
have
private,
patios
and
decks
and
or
decks
as
mentioned.
We
have
a
fairly
significant
amount
of
amenities,
including
a
fitness
center
business
center
community
room,
and
that
has
a
little
kitchenette
in
it.
Those
are
interior
to
the
building
and
then
outside
in
our
Plaza
or
open
space.
We
have
an
outside
Kitchen
barbecue
area
outside
play
area
outside
fire
pit
and
multiple
seating
areas
with
Landscaping.
O
Our
parking,
as
mentioned,
is
in
a
Podium
type
structure
on
the
ground
floor.
It's
screened
and
off
of
that
Podium.
We
have
our
main
entrance
lobby
with
our
mail
center,
all
ADA
Compliant
access
off
of
the
public
way.
We
have
an
elevator
and
an
outside
patio.
Fronting
on
herbs
to
kind
of
soften
the
building
and
soften
the
entrance,
as
you
kind
of
come
in,
we
also
have
a
seating
area
down
at
the
sidewalk
area.
Kind
of
an
architectural
feature
incorporated
into
some
raised
planter
walls.
O
So
it
gives
you
a
little
variety
of
architecture
as
you're
along
the
street
and
walking
alongside
along
the
sidewalk
The.
Building
architecture
is
modern
design
and
we
were
very
focused
on
providing
a
lot
of
plane
differences,
patios,
activating
the
front
of
the
building
and
making
it
active.
You
know
with
different
materials
throughout
in
different
colors,
our
buildings.
Our
building
will
incorporate
energy
saving
design
features
such
as
water
fixtures
insulation,
two
by
six
Windows,
two
by
six
walls
with
double
pane
windows.
O
Very
energy
efficient
building
we've
designed
our
project
to
as
mentioned
California
state
density,
bonus
requirements,
as
mentioned
and
I,
think
Justine
did
a
nice
job
of
of
going
through.
What
we're
asking
for
I
wanted
to
put
forth
some
clarifications
and
some
additional
information
about
the
project.
Our
living
space
is
approximately
25
000
square
feet,
the
building's
bigger,
but
the
living
space
itself
is
about
half
of
the
amount.
O
That
is
the
total
building
that
includes
the
community
space
areas
and
our
parking
area
on
the
lower
level,
and,
as
was
mentioned
as
far
as
the
setbacks,
especially
on
the
North
setback,
we
do
have
Landscaping
trees
as
the
building
is
adjacent
to
the
nearby
Apartment
project
and
the
trash
enclosure
is
in
a
building.
It
has
shoots:
it's
fire
sprinkler,
it's
vented
and
the
access
is
through
an
overhead
door
like
a
metal
garage
door
that
would
be
opened
and
the
bins
would
come
out.
O
O
So
that's
an
important
thing
that,
in
the
way
that
we've
got
it
set
up,
we're
really
not
providing
we're,
not
anticipating
any
additional
noise.
All
of
our
parking
is
internal
to
the
building
are
building
it
will
be
designed
so
that,
like
most
buildings,
it
won't
block
cell
phone
coverage
and
we
are,
we
have
the
building
designed
so
that
we
have
three
Windows
along
the
north
elevation.
O
The
top
window
is
a
second
story
above
a
living
room
area.
So
nobody
can
view
out
of
that.
We
have
two
other
windows
that
are
in
a
living,
dining
room
area
that
we
can
certainly
reduce
and
or
make
them
high
Windows
to
minimize
the
visibility,
but
other
than
that.
That's
all
the
windows
that
we
have
on
that
side.
Looking
15
foot
through
the
landscape
to
our
neighbor's
property.
O
The
project
will
have
the
designed
drainage
that
is
consistent
with
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
requirements
and
obviously
we
won't
be
able
to
get
a
grading
permit
until
we
meet
all
of
those
requirements
for
drainage
and
making
sure
that
we
don't
have
any
concerns
about
any
subsidence
or
anything
like
that
with
the
property.
Any
erosion.
O
One
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
because
we
are
close
to
the
property
adjacent
properties.
We
will
and
we
do
have
a
structural
engineering,
a
soils
engineer
on
our
team
and
our
exit
way
is
actually
below
the
adjacent
property.
It's
not
above
it's
below,
and
we
take
that
very
seriously.
We
know
that
we
will
not
be
able
to
get
a
building
permit
unless
we
meet
all
the
code
requirements
structurally
soils
the
whole
bit.
O
Also
during
construction,
we'll
be
able
to
have
our
soils
engineer
and
our
structural
engineer
on
site
to
make
sure
that
they're
built
the
way
that
they
are
permitted
and
making
sure
that,
in
the
documentation
of
all
that,
you
know,
removal
and
replacement
for
foundations
and
for
any
type
of
retaining
wall
and
building
walls
that
they're
they're
strictly
adhered
to
and
I'm
sure
the
building
official
will
want
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
reports
accordingly.
So
all
that
is
pretty
standard
and
we
do
that
on
many
buildings
throughout
the
county.
O
I
know
that
was
a
potential
concern,
and
one
of
the
other
things
that
wasn't
mentioned
is
the
power
lines
that
are
on
the
property
will
be
undergrounding,
those
that's
a
significant
cost
of
the
project
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
increase
with
the
density
bonus
so
that
we
can
pay
for
that
and
remove
those
power,
poles
and
underground
the
electrical.
So
it's
fairly
significant
undertaking.
O
L
Thank
you,
chair,
Mr
President.
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
the
same
two
questions.
I
ask
everybody
that
comes
before
us,
so
don't
be
offended.
My
first
question
is
always
is:
do.
Is
this
something
where
you
intend
to
actually
build
it?
Are
you
just
getting
the
entitlements
to
then
flip
it?
The
reason
I
even
asked.
That
is
that's.
O
L
O
L
O
Well,
we're
thinking
that
it
might
kind
of
follow
the
hill
up.
You
know
kind
of
jog
as
it
kind
of
goes
up.
So
that's
basically
it
there's
a
garage,
that's
there
on
that
corner,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
with
the
wall
and
hedge
and
our
trees
that
we've
got
planted
along
there,
it's
it's
a
pretty
thick
screening
in
that
area
and.
L
O
I
L
There's
going
to
be
a
wall
build
next
and
they
have
some
involvement
in
the
concept.
That's
it
in.
You
would
mention
the
solar
panels,
which
again
I
don't
know.
If
you
had
seen
the
the
submission
we
received
from
Mr
nalon,
who
I'm
assuming
is
going
to
be,
and
you
mentioned
solar
panels.
Did
you
do
any
evaluation
as
to
because
you
said
it
won't
be
blocking
them?
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
backup
for
that.
Well,.
O
O
L
And
one
of
my
last
questions
only
because
a
previous
project
had
to
ultimately
do
a
lot
more
digging.
Are
you
and
again
you're
going
to
say
yes,
I
know,
but
I'm
asked
the
question
anyway.
Are
you
comfortable
in
terms
of
the
fact
that
ultimately
you're
not
going
to
need
to
do
far
more
involved
things
digging
wise
caissons,
something
more
substantive
than
what
you
have
planned
so.
O
Building
design
minimizes
the
grading,
the
export
of
dirt
on
the
ground.
That's
why
we
kind
of
have
that
set
up,
so
basically
we're
digging
in
where
the
parking
area
is,
and
then
the
buildings
kind
of
stagger
up
the
hill.
So
it
really
minimizes
that
amount,
usually
in
areas
like
this,
it's
not
uncommon
to
have
thicken
footings
caissons,
those
types
of
things
so
once
we
get
into
the
design,
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
we
had
all
of
the
above
in.
L
B
O
I
E
O
O
B
Q
P
Hearing
the
comments
from
the
applicant,
the
architecture
group.
This
particular
development
looks
very
modern,
electrified
solar
panels,
very
eco-friendly.
So,
to
me
my
my
comment.
Just
to
sum
it
up
is
that
this
looks
like
a
good,
a
good
proposal
for
the
commission
to
to
approve,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Q
E
R
R
It's
going
to
permanently
affect
the
neighborhood
because
it
depends
on
whether
this
project
fits
this
lot.
That's
basically
the
bottom
line
when
I
brought
this
property
to
20
units
adjacent
to
it.
On
the
north
side,
I
was
led
to
believe
that
the
adjoining
parcel
to
property,
which
is
this
property,
was
going
to
be
no
more
than
10
units.
R
R
Let's
just
talk
about
the
trash
shoots.
The
trash
shoots
are
not
15
feet.
10
feet,
they're
two
feet
away
from
our
Apartments
and
also
the
trash
shoots
are
in
the
same
area
which
are
designated
bulk
items
which
encroach
on
the
Fire
access
I'm,
not
going
to
go
through
every
problem
in
this
project,
but
that's
just
one
of
the
items
that
should
be
further
addressed.
Another
one
is
the
parking
you
have
30
units
with
42
parking,
No
guest
parking,
there's
no
street
parking.
What
happens
if
you
have
full
occupancy
and
a
guest?
R
R
R
I
attached
the
picture
of
the
house,
because
if
this
project
goes
through
in
that
driveway
and
retaining
will
all
go
up,
the
price
of
that
property
is
zero
who's
going
to
want
to
own
a
home
with
a
car
two
feet
away
from
your
garage
two
feet
away
from
10
feet:
15
feet
away
from
your
entry:
let's
look
at
the
other
side
of
the
property,
the
property
I
own.
This
is
not
an
unusual
situation.
R
Basically,
I
I
look
at
it
this
way.
This
is
a
beautiful
project,
but
it
gives
no
room
for
its
effect
on
either
the
single
family,
home
or
my
building.
There
is
not
one
mention
in
all
this
paperwork
about
whether
it
has
an
effect
whether
it
has
an
effect
on
my
tenants
whether
it
has
an
effect
on
the
value
of
our
property
on
the
value
of
the
single
family
home.
R
B
N
R
These
the
YOLO
project
was
a
two-acre
parcel
of
property
that
backed
up
to
my
retaining
wall.
I
went
through
many
many
conversations
with
the
developer
and
adroit
Construction,
which
was
the
actual
builder
of
the
project.
Now
what
they
agreed
to
do
in
working
with
the
city.
In
my
project,
they
came
to
me
and
said:
hey
we're,
building
this
huge
project,
43
units
80
000
square
feet
on
two
acres.
How
can
we
protect
your
property?
R
So
we
went
back
and
forth
and
it
came
down
to
how
are
you
going
to
produce
a
property
that
has
zero
load
on
their
retaining
wall?
And,
if
you
look
at
the
exhibit
a
you
can
see
that
exhibit
a
supports
this
property
and
supported
the
YOLO
property
I
have
a
20-foot
retaining
wall
on
the
back
of
my
property,
which
now
has
two
acres
of
dirt
against
it.
What
they
came
up
with
was
a
very
unique
structural
design,
not
unique
I
should
say
very
expensive.
R
It's
retaining
it's
a
20
foot
down
retaining
wall
with
piles
underneath
it,
in
other
words,
you
take
a
concrete
pile
with
the
retaining
on
it
and
it
produces
around
the
around
the
property,
zero
load
on
adjoining
properties,
and
they
also
took
out
in
closed
garage
and
put
in
the
barrier
Sun
barrier
garages
on
the
top.
So
basically
I
had
a
working
relationship
with
him
and
it
did
not
having
any
adverse
impact
on
my
property
or
my
retaining
loss.
Now.
R
R
With
ten
thousand
fifteen
thousand
pound
cars
going
down
on
both
sides
of
the
property,
inevitably
it's
going
to
break
down!
That's
why
you
have
setbacks.
You
have
setbacks
because
the
Earth
is
the
Earth
and
you
don't
want
to
mess
with
it.
When
you
start
cutting
back
to
five
feet,
I,
don't
care!
Eventually
it's
going
to
be
a
problem.
The
value
of
my
property
is
going
to
go
down.
I
have
no
doubt
about
it.
The
value
of
that
other
property
is
going
to
go
down.
R
I
would
like
this
to
be
scaled
back.
I
would
like
it
to
be
respectful
in
a
sense
of
setbacks.
To
my
tenants
to
the
house
on
the
side.
I
think
the
project
is
very
attractive.
I
think
the
YOLO
project
is
a
beautiful
project
and
enhances
the
neighborhood
I.
Think
this
project
scale
back
would
enhance
the
neighborhood,
but
the
way
it
is
right
now
it's
a
detriment.
A
a
as
I
said
in
my
paper.
I
think
it
is,
creates
a
dangerous
condition
and
a
public
health
hazard
with.
B
You
are
there
any
other
questions.
I
have
I,
have
one
I
went
to
the
I,
had
gone
to
the
project
property,
and
then
we
got
your
submission
and
I
went
back
and
I
walked
onto
your
property.
Sorry
and
I
was
trying
to
see
from
your
perspective
what
what
what
the
effect
would
be
the
first.
My
first
question
is:
what
is
your
setback
from
your
building
to
the
retaining
wall.
R
B
R
So
the
point
is
that
the
objection
is
that
that,
when
you
have,
for
example,
the
gentleman
indicated
there
was
a
solar
study,
a
Sun
study,
well
that
was
on
flat
land
that
doesn't
apply
to
a
situation
where
there's
a
drop
of
10
to
15
feet
on
the
edge
of
the
property.
So
the
sun
is
basically
going
to
be
blocked
out
because
of
this
building.
Okay,.
B
N
R
But
it
would
be,
the
setbacks
would
be
at
that
much
higher
15
to
25
feet
or
whatever
the
the
code
required,
so
in
other.
In
other
words,
if
you
raise
the
building
from
25
feet
to
42
feet
that
70
that's
17
feet,
so
I
have
to
look
at
it
at
a
building.
That's
not
25
feet,
but
that's
42
feet.
That's
five
feet
away
from
my
property.
R
I
mean
it's
it's
it's.
Why
would
I?
Why
would
I
want
to
do
that
now?
If
it
was
22
units
with
the
normal
setback
and
a
normal
height
I
would
have
no
objection
to
that,
because
that's
what
the
code
requires.
That's
what
let's
say
the
absence
the
density
bonus
would
provide,
but
all
of
a
sudden
we
have
this
law
which
the
state
passes
and
we
have
to
adopt
it
to
the
detriment
of
the
neighborhood,
the
detriment
of
adjoining
landowners.
R
If
it's,
if
it's
a
public
health,
creates
a
public
health
and
if
it's
a
dangerous
condition,
then
the
bonus
laws
don't
apply.
My
position
is
that
if
I
have
a
dumpster
two
feet
away
from
a
living
space,
that's
a
public
hazard.
That's
going
to
create
noxious
fumes,
it
also
interferes
with
the
access
by
the
fire
department.
Oh.
B
C
B
B
J
J
Yes,
that
wall
needs
to
be
at
least
42
inches
high
and
no
more
than
eight
feet
as
measured
from
the
single
family
dwelling
unit
side.
We
want
to
clarify
that,
as
the
plans
are
proposed
now,
nine
bike
spaces
are
provided
and
two
are
required
by
law.
So
quite
a
bit
more
than
what's
required
and
I
also
just
want
to
point
out
that
condition.
Number
98
does
require
a
pre-construction
meeting
or
pre-grading
meeting
with
the
neighbor.
J
So
I
want
to
thank
Patrick
for
being
so
communicative
with
me
throughout
this
process
as
well
and
voicing
his
concerns
so
that
we
could
address
them
throughout
the
review
process
too.
I
do
want
to
clarify
that
the
Bulky
Trash
area
is
different
from
the
track
shoot
area,
so
the
Bulky
Trash
area
is
located
next
to
the
driveway
kind
of
motor
forward.
That's
just
a
paved
area,
that's
available.
J
J
However,
that
would
have
reduced
the
amount
of
parking
provided,
which,
of
course,
is
that
quite
a
premium
on
this
site,
as
has
been
discussed,
I'd
like
to
reiterate
that
the
driveway
and
the
garage
are
below
grade
and
below
the
neighboring
properties
grade,
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that's
how
because
this
project
is
cited
so
much
farther
forward
than
the
neighboring
properties
existing
buildings,
that
that's
the
relationship
there
and
I
think
that
that
was
all
that
I
wanted
to
cover.
At
this
moment,.
E
I
wanted
to
point
out,
and
hopefully
say,
Mr
bustle,
a
trip
down
to
the
microphone
there.
That
condition
number
41
talks
about
reinforcement
of
existing
retaining
walls
and
any
kind
of
construction
well
actually
take
that
back.
Any
kind
of
retaining
walls
must
be
reviewed,
reinforcement
of
existing
retaining
walls,
so
I'm
wondering
out
loud.
E
Is
it
nail
on
excuse
me
so
that
any
kind
of
construction
activity
that
may
disturb
the
surcharge
perhaps
needs
to
have
review
prior
to
or
something
along
those
lines
so
that
the
Integrity
of
the
retaining
wall
that
is
currently
holding
up
the
soil
that
is
on
the
subject
property?
The
the
project
property
is,
is
not
going
to
compromise
his
end
of
it.
C
And
if
I
made
sure
I'd
add
to
Mr
bustle's
comment
for
all
projects
that
we
have
you
name
it.
We
require,
in
this
kind
of
case
a
soils
engineer,
a
structural
engineer
and
staff
is
going
to
before
they
issue
the
building
permit.
They
they
it's
mandated,
that
they
establish
through
their
own
engineering
certification
right.
C
Excuse
me
that
that's
exactly
what
they
have
to
do
and
we
talk
about
the
easements
that
were
discussed
tonight
and
they
have
to
move
those
easements
a
little
bit,
and
so
that
has
to
be
addressed,
they're
doing
the
undergrounding
again,
another
factor
that
has
to
be
addressed
and
where
are
you
putting
the
the
line
to
go
into
it
for
the
undergrounding?
Again,
all
these
things
are
standard
issues
that
we
have
and
again
we
require
their
experts
to
certify
that
these
meet
the
requirements
under
the
building
code.
C
That's
applicable
at
the
time
so
again
for
that
public
safety
issue.
That
is
something
that's
always
going
to
be
and
and
I
will
tell
you
that
the
city
takes
any
type
of
grading,
especially
on
slopes
very
seriously.
That's
why
we
require
something
that
goes
into
a
25
slope
or
greater.
We
have
it,
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
exactly
for
that
purpose.
It's
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
making
sure
that
that
is
analyzed
before
a
decision
is
made.
C
But
let's
talk
about
the
density
bonus
law.
First
of
all,
it
definitely
applies
in
this
case
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
state
has
done
and
and
I
I
understand.
The
public
comment
about.
He
doesn't
agree
with
the
state
density,
bonus
law
or
doesn't
think
it
should
be
applied
in
this
kind
of
case.
I
want
to
emphatically
say
it
does
apply
to
it.
C
C
It's
a
tight,
it's
a
tight
parcel
and
you
have
to
have
some
kind
of
concession
or
request
for
concession
to
allow
this
to
be
built
in
the
engineering
to
allow
those
density,
those
affordable
units
to
be
built,
and
those
are
the
two
that
they
have
requested
and
for
those
two,
the
only
again
it's
very
difficult,
but
the
only
way
that
the
city
can
deny
those
things
would
be
to
establish
a
a
public
safety
issue.
And
it's
not
just
something
about.
You
have
to
establish
it
and
you
have
to
establish
it.
C
Not
only
do
you
have
to
establish
it,
but
you
have
to
establish
it
by
proponents
of
the
evidence
that
they
changed,
that
code
requirement
from
substantial
evidence,
which
would
mean
that
if
we
have
substantial
evidence
to
support
a
position,
that's
good
to
preponderance,
in
which
you
have
both
sides,
arguing
back
and
forth.
Does
it
apply
or
Not
Apply,
and
the
answer
would
be
we'd
have
to
establish
that.
So
again,
it's
important
to
note
that
for
these
two
concessions
they
are
absolutely
permitted
under
the
density,
bonus,
law
and
and
again,
this
is
the
state
mandated
request.
C
The
reason
why
they
established
that
is
to
get
more
affordable
housing,
and
so,
when
you
do
the
density
bonus,
which
is
you're.
Adding
five
very
excuse
me
in
this
case
five
low
units.
He
goes
through
the
calculation.
He
gets
these
additional
units,
one
and
two.
He
gets
the
two
concessions
that
he's
asked
for
so
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
So
one
to
to
demonstrate
that
to
deny
to
lay
a
foundation
tonight,
we'd
have
to
have
a
very
thorough
discussion
about
what
again
it
would
be
up
to
you
to
find
those
make.
C
Those
findings
of
what
a
dangerous
condition
to
Public
Safety
would
be,
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
just
to
so
far
tonight.
That
would
establish
that.
But
that
would
be
something
that's
a
very
serious
thing
to
say
no
to
the
density
bonus
law.
For
that
reason,
you
really
have
to
lay
a
foundation
for
it,
and
that
would
be
something
we'd
have
to
do
extensively
tonight.
C
Civil
code,
section
714
and
714.5
or
1.
that
actually
has
to
do
with,
and
we've
had
this
before
in
cases
that
has
to
do
with
the
inability
for
anyone
to
create
a
contract
or
an
instrument
that
prohibits
solar
installation.
That's
what
that
civil
code
section
is
about
and
you've
seen
it
now
for
so
any
any
contract
that
would
prohibit
solar
is
now
an
enforceable
right.
C
C
But
I
want
to
be
clear
from
my
review
of
this.
The
solar
panel
issue
is
really
not
something
that
has
been
established
from
the
factors
that
have
been
laid
out
in
this
case
and
so
to
to
me.
That
is
something
that
just
based
on
the
information
we
have
at
this
time
and
that
was
presented.
There's
no
indication
that
this
project
should
be
considered
denied
because
of
a
impact
on
solar
to
any
neighboring
property.
C
He's
going
to
my
neutral,
really
quick,
also
very
important
to
note
and
I
believe
Miss
Kendall
mentioned
it
already.
We
always
have
a
review
from
the
fire
department
right
to
ensure
that
there's
fire
access
and
I
think
as
Mr
Link.
Actually
they
mentioned
that
there
is
a
review
by
the
by
the
fire
department.
They
have
looked
at
this
and
they
have
looked
at
the
access
road,
including
the
easements
that
have
been
proposed
for
this
property,
and
they
have
already
signed
off
that
this
as
planned.
C
B
O
O
We
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
retaining
walls,
we'll
kind
of
work
that
out
when
we
get
into
the
field.
If
we're
off
a
couple
inches
here
or
there,
that's
something
that
will
work
with
staff
and
with
the
inspectors
on
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
the
intent
of
the
screening,
the
42
inches,
the
landscape
screen.
So
we're
perfectly
fine
with
that
and
as
was
mentioned,
our
driveway
exits
are
below
the
wall
areas
they're
not
above
the
wall,
they're
below
the
wall.
O
B
L
Thank
you
chair.
It's
fine
I,
remember
years
ago
we
were
presented
with
a
project
up
the
street,
which
I
think
the
acorn
labeled
a
Sophie's
Choice,
which
I
thought
was
an
overstatement
at
the
time,
but
it
was
a
potential
project
where
there
was
a
12-unit
project
that
the
developer
either
said.
I'll
make
three
stories
and
leave
a
tree
or
two
stories
and
cut
the
tree
and
I
feel
like
we're
back
at
that,
because
this
is
a
very
difficult
process,
because
by
helping
some
parts
of
this
process
we
obviously
create
impediments
to
others.
L
L
So
we
can't
subjectively
say
I,
don't
like
that
or
I
wish
it
looked
different
or
I
wish
you
had
a
different
color.
In
fact,
I
find
I.
Think
one
of
my
first
commission
meetings.
We
got
into
a
big
discussion
of
green
or
cream
as
a
color
for
something
which
we
can't
do
anymore.
So
my
evaluation
again,
that's
why
I
asked
the
question
of
Miss
Kendall
is.
Why
are
we
here
is
to
understand
exactly
what
our
job
is?
We
are
not
legislators
the
end
of
the
day.
L
We
are
enforcing
our
rules
and
regulations
and
if
we
have
discretion
applying
that
within
the
code
and
the
confines
of
what
job
we've
been
given
looking
at
the
project.
Yes,
there
is
a
lot
to
it.
I
would
say
to
the
applicant.
It
is
a
very
pretty
project.
Thank
you
very
much
for
doing
a
great
job
and
again
for
wanting
to
invest
in
our
city.
L
I
did
go
through
Mr
nail
on
your
your
list
of
things
and
trying
to
understand
if
there's
any
evidence
to
support
some
of
those
arguments,
as
Mr
here
pointed
out,
the
public
safety
issue
as
to
the
density
bonus
is
the
most
important
I
did
not
find.
By
virtue
of
your
comments
and
some
of
the
pictures
alone,
that
would
be
sufficient
evidence
of
demonstrating
by
what's
called
a
preponderance,
which
is
more
likely
than
not
so
to
speak,
that
there
would
be
a
public
nuisance.
L
In
fact,
if
we
found,
in
my
opinion,
a
public
nuisance
in
this
situation,
we
may
not
be
able
to
approve
any
development
throughout
the
entire
city
because
of
the
same
circumstances.
That
would
exist
for
almost
every
project
that
comes
before
us.
In
that
regard.
The
solar
panel
issue,
I,
don't
fully
necessarily
think
is-
is
described
sufficiently
in
terms
of
trying
to
understand
exactly
if
it
was
the
code
sections
you're
indicating
or
if
it
was
somehow
a
decrease
in
the
effectiveness
of
the
panels.
L
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
that
argument
is,
but
I
didn't
see
from
the
trajectory
that
the
building
necessarily
would
effect
or
or
cause
problems
to
those
panels
if
they
existed
at
that
location
again,
what
you
say
in
terms
of
changing
the
view
is
an
issue
California
there's
no
right
to
a
view
unless
there's
an
HOA
or
a
law
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
law.
That
would
give
anybody
a
right
to
a
view
in
that
regard
and
nothing
that
I'm
familiar
with
in
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code.
L
So,
looking
at
all
of
that,
I
think
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
within
the
confines
of
our
discretion,
this
project
does
meet
all
of
the
necessary
rules.
Regulations,
codes
density,
bonus
requirements,
so
I'm
going
to
find
the
thing
to
start
reading
a
very
long
discussion
or
title
I
have
a
feeling,
and
let
me
get
to
it
of
course,
the
one
time
I
need
to
get
to
that.
K
K
K
As
Mr
Neelam
points
out
in
his
letter
to
us,
the
building
was
built
in
1984.
at
the
time,
the
property
that
we're
talking
about
here.
His
his
building
was
built
in
1984.
The
properties
we're
talking
about
here
were
zoned
10
units
per
acre,
so
he
clarified
hey.
My
understanding
was,
it
was
only
supposed
to
be
10
units,
that's
correct.
It
was
back
in
then
the
1980s.
They
changed.
K
The
general
plan
to
be
high
residential,
high
density
residential
and
turns
out
the
Planning
Commission
actually
recommended
it
to
be
15,
which
is
the
lowest.
It
could
be
and
still
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
I
went
to
the
city
council,
they
approved
it
to
20
and
that's
why
it's
20.,
so
laws
change
and
the
designations
change,
and
now,
35
years
later,
after
those
things
have
happened,
Sacramento
has
said
you
have
less
discretion
than
you
used
to
have.
I
have
sit
on
this
commission.
We
did
used
to
have
some
discretion.
K
I,
don't
know
what
the
details
of
the
Sophie's
Choice
case
was,
but
they
might
have
said
two-story
building
and
keep
the
tree
as
opposed
to
pick.
One
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
know
that
we
have
less
ability
to
do
that
now,
based
upon
the
new
laws
for
which
we
need
to
stay
compliant.
If
we
don't
look
to
find
a
project,
that
is
that
we
do
believe
to
be
compliant.
We'll
have
one
forced
upon
us
and
it'll
be
worse
for
the
community.
K
Mr
Neyland
specifies
clearly
if
his
understanding
was
10
units.
This
project,
as
designed
with
the
net
acreage
of
0.709
and
30
units
on
it,
is
42.38
units
per
net
acre.
It's
it's
a
dense
project.
It
is
larger
than
we've
wanted
to
have
on
our
general
plan,
but
state
laws
putting
some
constraints
on
us,
I,
don't
like
it,
but
given
the
circumstances
and
and
evidence
before
us,
I
feel
compelled
to
vote
for
it.
So
I'll
support
the
motion.
E
I
don't
mean
to
beat
a
dead
horse
in
this
situation,
but
I
I
think
actually,
commissioner
ferris's
being
generous
when
he
says
that
the
state
has
put
constraints
on
us.
The
state
has
in
effect
tied
our
hands
unless
we
can
make
a
finding
that
there
is
a
severe
detriment
to
health
and
safety.
These
projects
that
include
affordable
housing
are
in
essence
by
right,
so
these
projects
go
forward
regardless.
E
No,
actually
this
isn't
the
last
stop
for
this
project
is
my
understanding
because
we're
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
so
our
chair
will
make
an
announcement
later
that
says
that
any
agree
of
party
there
is
no
period
for
you
know
what
have
you,
but
anyway,
yeah
the
city
council
will
ultimately
make
the
final
decision
on
this
project,
but
I
I
hate
to
say
that
our
hands
are
are
tied
it
it.
The
project
does
have
a
lot
going
for
it.
E
There
are
guest
parking
spaces
which
is
above
and
beyond
what
they
are
required
to
provide.
Because
again,
the
state
has
hamstrung
Us
in
that
effect
that
they
could
make
zero
guest
parking
spaces,
but
they
have
chosen
to
at
least
throw
us
a
bone
in
that
regard.
It
is
a
beautiful
project,
but
again
is
it
a
Dance
Project,
absolutely
I
do
find
that
there
are
a
sufficient
number
of
safety
safety
nets
with
regard
to
the
retaining
wall
that
I
think
that
staff
will
do
a
good
job.
E
Once
the
soils
report,
the
Geotech
report
and
structural
report
come
back
that
that
everything
in
that
regard
will
be
protected
for
you,
so
that
I
mean
again.
If
this
developer
happens
to
damage
your
wall
he's
going
to
pay
for
it
one
way
or
another,
but
I
mean
again
there's
some
safeguards
in
that
regard,
but
is
it
a
difficult
project?
Absolutely
100,
I
I
totally
feel
for
you,
but
we
they're
behind
our
back
at
this
point.
So
I
will
support
the
motion.
C
I
may
make
a
clarification
chair
and
just
I
apologize,
Mr
Link,
but
this
case
actually
is
one
that
can
be
decided
by
Planning
Commission.
We've
had
a
number
of
ones
that
have
been
referrals
lately,
so
I
understand
recommendations,
I
should
say,
but
in
this
case
actually
it's
one
in
which
your
decisions
tonight
will
be
binding
unless
it
is
appealed
within
the
10
days
which
that
the
chair
should
make
that
announcement
at.
E
N
Just
want
to
amplify
pretty
much
what
everybody
else
has
said
that
yeah
we
I
and
I
appreciate
the
city
attorney's
analysis,
because
again
we
can't
engage
in
conjecture.
We
have
to
stick
to
the
four
corners
of
the
document
and
facts
and
and
the
facts
are
the
facts
and,
and
it
is
a
lovely
project
and
and
I.
Thank
you
for
presenting
it
to
us
and
I
will
support
the
motion.
D
N
B
B
B
M
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M
A
little
bit
of
a
repeat,
but
the
purpose
of
tonight's
presentation
is
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
draft
Journal
plan,
including
the
structure
and
its
contents,
we'll
be
providing
a
brief
overview
of
each
chapter.
The
appendices
and
the
supplemental
we'll
explain
how
the
community
can
provide
feedback
and
we'll
also
talk
about
what
we've
heard
so
far
and
along
with
the
next
steps
going
forward.
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There
we
go
as
a
reminder:
a
general
plan
is
a
long-term
policy
document
that
guides
the
future
actions
of
the
city
through
a
series
of
goals
and
policies
and
actions.
The
general
plan
establishes
a
long-term
vision
for
the
city.
It
is
not
about
what
happens
tomorrow
or
next
year.
It's
really
about
how
we
think
about
how
the
community
will
grow
over
the
next
25
years.
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Ultimately,
it's
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
come
together
to
develop
a
shared
vision
for
the
future
California
government
code.
Section
65
300
requires
every
city
and
county
to
adopt
a
comprehensive,
long-term
General
plan
and
sets
forth
requirements
that
a
local
agency
must
meet.
General
plans
must
include
a
minimum.
The
following
mandatory
elements,
land
use
circulation,
otherwise
known
as
Mobility
for
this
General
plan;
housing
conservation,
open
space,
noise
and
safety
and
environmental
justice,
which,
in
this
General
plan,
is
addressed
throughout
all
chapters
for
some
cities,
specifically
in
the
San
Joaquin
area
of
the
state.
M
M
So
where
do
we
fit
now?
In
the
overall
process?
We
are
in
the
Final
Phase
of
a
five-step
process
which
started
in
the
summer
of
2019.
We
have
concluded
our
existing
conditions,
analysis,
which
focused
on
assessing
the
current
conditions
and
policies
of
the
city
to
gain
an
understanding
of
the
city's
issues,
Community
assets
and
future
opportunities
and
Trends.
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We
then
finish
the
process
of
listening
and
visioning
with
the
community
and
input
was
gathered
through
multiple
activities,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
workshops,
committee
meetings,
stakeholder
interviews
and
focus
groups
which
inform
the
development
of
the
vision,
statement
and
The
Guiding
principles.
The
process
slowed
down
a
bit
for
the
first
for
the
third
phase,
which
is
policy,
development
and
plan
Alternatives
due
to
the
coveted
pandemic.
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In
this
phase
topic,
specific
meetings,
beginning
in
December
2019
through
the
end
of
2020,
were
held
to
provide
high-level
Direction
on
goals
and
policies
for
inclusion
in
the
elements
of
the
general
plan.
This
phase
also
involved
a
series
of
community
meetings
from
January
2021
to
May
2021,
to
evaluate
three
land
use
map
alternatives.
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M
M
M
A
variety
of
Engagement
activities
were
conducted
in
engagement
was
intentionally
inclusive
of
the
diversity
of
the
persons
and
groups
that
make
up
the
City's
population,
including
new
and
long-time
residents
seniors,
youth
businesses
and
neighborhood
groups.
These
activities
included
16
General
plan
advisory
committee
meetings
for
Community
workshops,
four
online
surveys,
21
neighborhood
meetings,
multiple
pop-up
workshops
throughout
the
community
held
at
different
events,
17
stakeholder
interviews
and
several
focus
groups,
two
Community
forums,
four
office
hour
sections
which
were
used
during
the
covid
pandemic.
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The
general
plan
is
organized
into
14
chapters,
which
begins
with
the
introduction.
This
chapter
outlines.
The
regulatory
requirements
of
the
general
plan
provides
background
information
about
Thousand
Oaks.
It
describes
the
organization
of
the
general
plan
and
provides
information
on
how
to
use
it.
M
M
Other
components
of
the
journal
plan
include
the
housing
element,
which
is
a
chapter
of
the
general
plan,
but
it
is
prepared
separately
due
to
State
requirements.
Two
appendices
are
included
for
public
health
and
equity
and
emergency
evacuation
analysis.
There
is
also
an
engagement,
suffering
summary
and
reference
material
document.
That
is
not
technically
part
of
the
general
plan,
but
it
is
provided
for
reference.
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Each
chapter
begins
with
a
brief
overview
of
the
contents,
followed
by
a
summary
of
the
state
requirements.
Some
chapters
provide
background
information,
summarizing
existing
conditions
in
the
city,
followed
by
a
list
of
key
issues
and
opportunities
which
were
developed
in
combination
of
the
public
engagement
and
existing
data
to
inform
the
overall
direction
identified
in
the
goals
and
policies.
M
Each
chapter
concludes
with
goals
and
policies
that
direct
action
by
the
city
to
implement
the
vision
and
follow
the
guiding
principles
of
the
city
goals
are
the
over
arching
statement
that
describes
an
overall
vision
and
direction
for
the
community.
They
are
Broad
in
both
purpose
and
aim
and
are
designed
to
establish
the
out
the
directions
and
outcomes
policies
are
specific
position,
statements
that
support
the
achievement
of
goals
and
serve
as
guides
to
the
to
the
city.
These
policies
seek
to
achieve
the
goals
by
encouraging
certain
behaviors
so
to
remain
flexible
in
the
future.
M
A
M
General
plan
elements:
these
are
very
important
topics.
These
include
environmental
justice
and
sustainability.
California
law
mandates
that
jurisdictions
currently
updating
two
or
more
elements
of
their
General
plan,
identify
disadvantaged
communities,
promote
engagement
of
disadvantaged
community
stakeholders
in
the
public
decision-making
process
and
integrate
environmental
justice
policies
throughout
the
general
plan
to
help
identify
and
reduce
risks
by
prioritizing
improvements
and
in
programs
in
communities
that
are
disproportionately
affected
by
environmental
hazards.
So,
policies
related
to
Health,
Equity
environmental
justice
are
marked
throughout
this
plan,
with
the
orangish
red
heart
plus
the
cross
and
then
in
terms
of
sustainability.
M
M
So
with
that,
I'll
just
really
quickly
read
the
vision
statement,
because
it's
a
little
long,
Thousand
Oaks,
surrounded
by
a
ring
of
open
space
and
varieties
of
mature
native
oak
trees,
is
a
tight-knit
community
where
people
of
all
ages,
stages
of
life
and
backgrounds
can
thrive
in
a
Suburban,
family-friendly
environment.
Its
high
quality
of
life
is
supported
by
award-winning
public
schools
and
services,
extensive
Parks
and
Recreation
offerings
world-renowned
arts
and
culture
facilities
and
programs,
and
biotech
and
emerging
technology,
businesses,
residents
and
visitors
value.
M
M
Throughout
this
General
Plan
update
process,
Community
input
was
sought
during
several
phases
of
the
engagement
process.
The
following
list
is
a
result
of
the
engagement
process
and
represents
what
the
community
has
defined
as
characteristic
values
of
the
Thousand
Oaks
Community.
The
following
values
are
embedded
throughout
this
General
plan.
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To
successfully
implement
the
vision
and
uphold
the
community's
values,
the
general
plan
includes
a
series
of
strategies
to
be
implemented
over
the
next
several
decades.
These
strategies
serve
as
a
guidepost
for
the
development
and
refinement
of
the
goals,
policies
and
actions
across
this
General
plan
and
are
included
as
part
of
a
vision
map
in
chapter
three.
M
So
these
are
just
a
few
of
the
strategies
that
are
highlighted
here,
which
include
offering
a
diversity
of
housing
along
the
101
Corridor,
focusing
on
the
employment
center
and
expanding
jobs
along
Rancho
Conejo,
preserving
existing
neighborhoods
and
creating
a
new
downtown
core
and
revitalizing
opportunity.
Areas
are
just
a
few.
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Additional
major
strategies
include:
preserving
and
enhance
and
expanding
the
existing
Urban
Forest,
especially
related
to
oak
trees,
expanding
the
number
and
types
of
entertainment
options,
expanding
the
high
quality
diversity
and
accessibility
of
public
facilities
and
services,
and
taking
steps
to
protect
the
city
against
future
natural
or
human-caused
disasters.
They
also
include
to
meet
or
exceed
state
established
targets
for
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
energy
use,
water
use
and
Recycling,
and
to
continue
to
maintain,
maintain
long-term
fiscal
sustainability.
M
So
with
that
I'll
get
into
chapter
four,
which
is
the
landiest
element,
this
is
the
element
that
describes
the
distinct
types
of
places
that
make
up
the
community's
vision
for
the
built
environment.
It's
intended
to
accommodate
and
plan
for
necessary
change
and
that
we
need
to
comply
with
the
existing
and
new
state
regulations,
but
it's
also
meant
to
preserve
and
enhance
the
youth.
The
unique
features
that
attribute
to
the
high
quality
of
life
in
Thousand
Oaks,
one
component
of
the
land
use
element,
are
the
land
use
designations.
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These
describe
the
intended
future
use
of
every
parcel
of
land
in
the
city
and
there
are
17
designations
included
within
five.
Actually,
we
change
it
to
six
here,
but
17
designations
in
different
categories.
These
designations
include
a
description,
a
list
of
allowable
uses,
the
density
and
intensity
along
with
allowable
Building
height
and
illustrative
examples
for
scale
and
character.
M
The
landiest
element
includes
a
variety
of
goals
and
the
first
section
is
the
city-wide
land
use
goals.
They
provide
opportunities
for
targeted
and
field
development
to
preserve
existing
residential
neighborhoods
support
and
promote
housing.
Diversity,
enhance
the
job
base
and
redevelop
underperforming,
Commercial
and
Retail
areas,
high
quality
design
and
public
spaces,
preserve
views
and
Vistas
power
buildings
with
clean
energy
and
promote
healthy
living.
M
The
next
section
of
the
land
use
element
Dives
a
little
bit
deeper
into
area
specific
guidance.
There
are
specific
goals
and
policies
related
to
areas
within
the
city,
including
the
downtown
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
The
Oaks,
Moore,
Park
Road
and
Jan's
Marketplace
Rancho
Canada,
north
and
south
west
lake
and
East
End
Village
in
the
mixed-use
village.
Centers.
M
Moving
on
to
chapter
five,
this
is
mobility.
The
mobility
element
primarily
describes
the
city-wide
multimodal
transportation
system,
including
the
functional
roadway
classification
system
and
The
Pedestrian
bicycle
and
public
transit
next
works.
The
main
goals
included
in
the
mobility
element
are
to
maintain
a
transportation
system
that
supports
all
users,
support
public
transit
support,
active
and
Safe
Transportation,
manage
infrastructure
improvements
and
to
reduce
impacts
to
the
environment.
M
Moving
on
to
chapter
nine,
which
is
arts,
arts
and
culture.
This
also,
as
well
as
a
new
chapter
for
the
city's
General
plan.
It
describes
the
Citywide
arts
and
culture
system
to
support
and
enhance
the
city's
vibrant
cultural
environment,
and
it
includes
goals
that
support
the
Arts
and
the
economic
development
goals
about
the
Civic,
Arts
Plaza
and
cultural
Affairs.
The
creation
of
Resident
resident
cultural
and
creative
experiences
and
programs,
and
to
support
City,
Arts
and
Cultural
leadership,
and
also
future
funding.
M
Chapter
10
is
the
safety
element.
This
element
addresses
natural
and
human-induced
Hazards
in
building
resilience
against
climate
change
risks
in
the
future.
It
includes
goals
and
policies
to
protect
people,
property
and
the
natural
environment
related
to
seismic
hazards,
flooding
and
wildfires,
and
climate
change,
terrorism
and
disease
of
all
things,
which
I
think
we
may
be
in
years.
Past
didn't
think
that
that
was
important
until
the
most
in
the
last
few
years,
and
it
turns
out
it
is
so.
M
M
Moving
on
to
governance,
this
also
is
a
new
chapter
for
the
general
plan.
This
describes
the
city's
system
of
governance
to
continue
being
a
properly
functioning,
responsive
and
participatory
government
and
includes
goals
related
to
continued
and
in
transparency,
Community
engagement,
racial
and
economic
equity,
fiscal
sustainability
and
also
maintaining
our
strong
Partnerships
with
agencies.
M
The
actions
that
are
generally
one-time
actions
needed
to
execute
the
goals
and
the
policies
within
the
general
plan.
These
actions
are
presented
and
organized
by
the
relevant
chapter
of
the
general
plan,
and
each
implementation
action
includes
the
name
of
the
action,
a
brief
description
of
it,
the
goal
of
the
element
that
it
implements
the
time
frame
and
the
city
departments
or
divisions
that
will
be
involved
in
its
implementation.
M
Two
appendices
are
included
in
the
general
plan.
These
include
appendix
a
for
public
health
and
equity,
which
provides
background
data
information
as
it
relates
to
environmental
justice.
The
second
appendix
B
is
emergency
evacuation
analysis,
which
provides
an
analysis
of
evacuation
routes
in
the
event
of
a
natural
or
man-made
disaster.
M
The
engagement
summary
and
reference
material
document
is
also
provided,
which
includes
a
summary
of
the
engagement
and
Outreach
activities
and
the
input
that
was
received.
And,
finally,
the
housing
element
is
technically
a
chapter
within
the
general
plan,
but,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
it
is
prepared
separately,
because
the
state
requires
it
to
be
updated
more
frequently
than
the
remainder
of
the
general
plan.
M
Over
the
next
couple
months,
there
will
be
ample
opportunity
for
the
community
to
ask
questions,
discuss
the
draft
goals
and
policies
and
make
informed
comments
and
recommendations
to
submit
comments
on
the
draft
general
plan.
An
online
comment
form
is
provided
on
the
project
website
at
tx2045.org
draft
general
plan.
We
are
using
a
software
program
called
jotform
that
allows
us
to
organize
the
all
the
comments
efficiently
on
the
back
end.
You
must
put
in
your
name
and
email
is
optional.
M
M
Comments
must
be
submitted
separately
and
you
can
choose
to
provide
a
general
comment
or
a
comment
by
chapter
of
the
journal
plan
or
provide
specific
comments
on
each
goal:
policy
or
implementation
action
and
the
formally
completed
they
may
be
completed
as
many
times
as
needed.
Following
the
close
of
the
comment
period
in
mid-september
a
matrix
of
all.
M
The
comments
will
be
prepared
with
staff
recommendations
for
each
comment
and
that
Matrix
will
be
presented
to
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
for
consideration
on
what
changes
should
be
made
and
with
that
I
will
get
into
some
of
the
opportunities
that
we've
had
so
far
for
feedback.
The
draft
general
plan
was
released
on
June,
2nd
and
since
then,
we've
had
two
informational
tables
at
local
events
in
the
community.
One
was
for
the
pop-up
arts
and
musical
festival,
and
the
second
one
was
for
kanejo
Valley
days.
M
We
also
reconvened
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
here
at
City
Hall
on
June
I,
believe
that
was
actually
June
28th,
but
and
we
and
we
had
a
public
workshop
on
June
29th,
and
then
we
have
also
through
the
online
comment
form.
So
far.
We've
received
a
little
over
30
and
almost
40
comments
to
date.
M
So
this
is
just
a
summary
of
the
overarching
themes
of
the
comments
that
we've
heard
so
far
at
the
different
events
and
through
the
online
comment
form.
Overall,
we've
heard
that
there
is
support
and
there
is
appreciation
for
the
work
that's
been
done
and
for
the
draft
Journal
plan
that's
been
prepared.
We
have
heard
concerns
about
the
land
use
designation
for
the
Orchard
property.
M
M
One
of
the
next
steps
which
will
be
forthcoming
is
the
environmental
impact
report.
The
California
Environmental
Quality
act,
also
known
as
sequa,
requires
cities
and
counties
to
study
potential
environmental
impacts
as
part
of
the
general
Plan
update
process
and
where
those
impacts
may
be
significant
and
eir
must
be
prepared
for
new
general
plans.
Programmatic
eirs
are
prepared,
which
evaluates
a
plan
that
has
multiple
components
that
are
related
either
geographically
or
as
logical
parts
of
a
long-term
plan.
M
A
programmatic
eir
looks
at
the
broad
policies
of
a
general
plan
and
does
not
address
potential
specific
site
impacts
that
may
fall
within
the
plan
when
a
new
general
plan
is
being
considered,
the
eir
must
evaluate
the
potential
impacts
of
growth
anticipated
by
the
dental
plan
compared
to
the
existing
physical
environment
staff
is
currently
reviewing.
The
administrative
draft
eir
that
was
prepared
by
rencon
Consultants
anticipates
that
the
public
draft
will
be
released
for
a
45-day
public
review
period
in
early
August.
M
M
Therefore,
the
public
will
be
able
to
review
both
documents
at
the
same
time,
and
the
review
periods
for
both
documents
will
close
on
the
same
day,
at
the
end
of
that
45-day
review
period,
which
will
be
in
mid-september
between
mid-september
through
the
end
of
October,
we
will
be
preparing
responses
to
comments
and
we'll
be
putting
the
comments
in
a
matrix
for
the
general
plan
and
the
and
then
in
the
end
of
October.
The
final
eir
and
general
plan
will
be
released.
M
M
E
Because
she
was
left
instead
of
right,
sorry
to
I
actually
just
said
a
couple
of
comments
and
then
maybe
a
question
or
two.
As
far
as
the
mobility
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
is
concerned,
I
actually
found
it
a
little
difficult
on
the
roadway
or
the
functional
classification
exhibit
to
tell
which
was
which
the
red
and
the
orange
kind
of
Blended
together
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
differentiate
those
a
little
bit
better.
That
might
be
more
helpful
to
the
public
in
reviewing
the
document.
E
I
T
E
That
probably
means
I,
don't
have
any
traffic
studies
to
read
anymore
might
not
be
a
VMT
analysis.
You
can
evaluate.
Let's
see.
Oh
I
just
had
a
random
question
on
page
198,
which
is
the
existing
seismic
fault.
Is
it
safe
to
assume
that
we
have
no
active
seismic
faults
in
the
city
because
the
key
said
that
everything
was
inactive.
E
Crossing
my
fingers
at
that
answer
to
that
question
is
yes,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
they're,
dormant
or
extinct
either.
So
all
of
them
are
inactive.
Okay,
good
to
know
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
touch
the
portrait
property
with
the
10
foot
pole,
but
I
did
actually
think
that
there
might
have
been
one
glaring
Omission
as
part
of
the
acknowledgments
page
I
noticed
that
we
we
did
reference
a
former
member
on
one
of
the
locations.
M
E
Going
to
throw
him
commissioner
Ferris
under
the
bus,
but
we
had
him
noted
as
a
former
member
and
then
we
had
him
under
the
Planning
Commission
under
acknowledgments,
but
we
don't
acknowledge
commissioner
bus's
contributions
to
the
general
plan
process.
As
a
former
member
of
the
Planning
Commission,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we
can
do.
L
Thank
you
chairs.
It's
funny,
I'm,
looking
at
this
and
realizing
about
five
years
ago,
chair
McMahon
and
Mr
Parker
and
a
few
of
us
went
on
a
commissioner
Retreat,
which
point
the
general
Plan
update
was
first
discussed.
I
thought:
oh,
that's
not
going
to
be
that
big
a
deal.
Five
years
later,
we
are
getting
to
what
mile
23
Mile
22
of
the
process,
and
it's
amazing
because
you
say
look
forward.
I
mean
I
I'm.
L
Thinking
myself,
this
plan
is
not
going
to
apply
just
to
my
grandkids,
my
great
grandkids,
to
the
extent
we
actually
can
do
this
process
that
will
last
long
enough
to
make
sense.
So
I
want
to
thank
everybody
that
involved
in
this.
This
has
been
a
curriculum
effort,
that's
a
hard
word
to
say
in
terms
of
just
the
amount
and
it's
like
almost
making
a
movie
you're
making
a
movie
while
you're
writing
another
movie
at
the
same
time,
trying
to
make
sure
you're
keeping
both
straight.
But
one
thing
I
did
have
a
question
about
that.
L
I
L
That's
that's
an
amazing
thing
in
terms
of
not
having
to
go
through
that
process
again,
but
I
just
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
everybody's
effort
in
this
process
and
again
I
look
forward
to
getting
it
in
November.
You
say
December,
it's
a
long
time!
That's
why
I
got
big
eyes
I'm,
like
my
gosh,
really
it's
another
five
months,
so,
okay
anyway,
thank
you.
G
K
You
thank
you
for
the
great
presentation
and
for
all
the
work
you've
done
with
the
gpac
and
and
everything
to
help
help
get
us
here.
I.
As
commissioner
link
has
stated,
I
get
two
nods,
apparently
in
the
acknowledgments,
because
I
was
a
member
of
the
general
plan
advisory
committee
and
then
now
serving
on
the
on
the
commission.
I'll
take
them,
but
yes,
I
think
commissioner
bus
should
should
get
get
it
get
a
nod
for
his
participation
during
the
process
too,
if
possible.
K
The
my
main
comments
and
I
want
to
find
out
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
I
want
to
try
to
make
sure
that
the
public
has
all
the
information
they
can,
that
they
understand
the
impacts
and
benefits
of
the
the
new
general
plan
leading
into
the
comment
section
and
also
to
provide
my
understanding
of
some
things.
I
think
need
to
be
included
in
here.
As,
as
we
start
for
understanding
evaluation
later
in
the
year,
I
did
provide
a
question
and
a
comment.
K
We
have
a
I'm
looking
at
this
attachment,
506
page
supplemental
engagement
and
reference
material,
which
is
just
genuinely
helpful,
I
think
for
people
to
be
able
to
see
how
the
community
has
engaged,
what
the
comments
have
been
through
this
process
and
and
something
that
that
helps
people
understand
how
they've
received
the
general
plan.
There
is
an
additional
set
of
commentary
that
came
in
parallel
to
the
general
plan
advisory
committee,
which
were
the
alternative.
What
was
it
the
land.
M
K
Had
the
Alternatives
in
them
they
were
the
basis
for
which
people
looked
at
and
then
responded
to
the
survey.
But
in
that
document
people
were
actually
able
to
attach
a
comment
and
leave
something
very
specific.
There
are
hundreds
upon
hundreds
of
comments
in
there
not
only
that
there's
a
robust
set
of
interaction
of
the
community
discussion
where
people
are
responding
to
comments
that
people
had
previously
said,
and
they
liked
and
disliked
certain
things.
K
It's
an
extremely
rich
set
of
commentary
that
is
I
would
argue
if
you
read
them
is
probably
a
little
bit
counter
to
some
of
the
results
that
were
providing
the
survey
but
I
think
from
a
from
a
full
understanding
of
of
how
the
community
evaluated
During
the
period.
It
would
be
beneficial
if
it
were
included
as
part
of
the
reference
materials.
That's
something
that
could
be
done
and
I
guess
specify
that
I
know.
There's
a
lot
of
the
copy.
I
had
actually
had
people's
names
in
it.
M
Sure,
we'll
we'll
look
into
the
redacted
version,
I
think
we
do
have
the
conveyo
comments
available
on
the
project
website
right
now,
but
I
don't
think
those
names
are
redacted,
so
we'll
have
to
look
into
that
and
I
know
that
you
requested
it
as
to
be
included
in
the
supplemental
packet.
This
evening
we
felt
that
it
wasn't
in
that.
M
K
Would
be
great
there
I
think
I've
got
some
of
my
questions
answered
about.
There
were
references
to
supporting
documents
that
are
on
the
website,
but
those
supporting
documents
would
not
be
part
of
the
general
plan.
General
plan
is
intended
to
be
this
document
and
any
actual
textual
references
to
appendices
or
other
elements,
such
as
a
housing
element,
is
that
right.
M
M
So
we
know
that
at
some
point
going
forward
in
the
future
our
general
plan
project
website
that
information
will
ultimately
end
up
on
the
city's
website,
so
that
link
was
included
and
it
didn't
help
that
there
was
an
actual
hyperlink
in
the
PDF
document
that
went
to
a
slightly
different
page
than
what
we
were
intending
it.
So
we
can
understand
why
that
there
was
maybe
some
confusion
with
that.
M
K
K
We
have
to
be
careful
about
that.
Otherwise,
that
requires
voter
approval.
So
if
we
use
just
as
an
example
of
the
previous
case
that
we
had
today,
it
was
a
property
that
was
0.74
gross
Acres
0.709
net
Acres
using
the
net
acreage,
their
Baseline
was
22
units,
that's
where
they
started.
If
you
use
gross
acreage,
they
would
be
23.
Units
change
in
its
designation
would
allow
for
an
increase
in
the
permitted
maximum
number
of
dwelling
units
on
all
the
properties,
and
you
do
that.
City-Wide.
K
T
T
Now,
at
that
time,
that
calculation
was
done,
they
did
look
at
the
existing
communities
and
netted
out
the
streets,
but
they
only
did
that
for
the
existing
communities.
Any
other
remaining
areas
were
just
looked
at
from
a
growth
standpoint,
so
that
number
81
124
units
was
based
on
existing
communities
and
then
capacity
of
any
other
kind
of
raw
land
by
transitioning
to
gross
density.
T
The
land
use
map-
that's
before
you
today
still
maintains
that
capacity,
so
the
existing
communities
you
know
for
so
for
those
new
areas
that
introduce
residential
capacity,
such
as
the
mixed
use,
gross
acreage,
is
what
is
used
for
the
calculation
to
match
that
land
use
capacity
under
measury.
Okay,.
K
M
K
Given
that
it
is
part
of
the
general
Plan
and
there's
no
plans
to
amend
or
repeal
it,
it
might
be
advisable
if
we
include
it
in
the
text.
These
all
can
be
referenced,
been
put
into
appendices,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
I
think
that
if
we're
going
to
have
one
General
plan-
and
we
know
where
it
is-
and
it's
part
of
the
general
plan,
we
ought
to
make
sure
it's
included
in
full
and
without
Amendment.
K
Foreign
general
of
measure
e,
it
says
the
general
plan
is
hereby
amended,
so
the
proposed
amendment
Etc,
so
it
is
part
of
the
general
plan.
The
reason
why
I'm
I
bring
this
up
is
that
I
feel
like
this
has
been
something
that
has
been
significantly
overlooked.
With
respect
to
the
evaluation
of
the
general
Plan
update.
K
It
is
something
that
the
voters
in
1996
and
in
1998
and
subsequently
in
2016,
has
said
that
they
want
to
be
a
part
of
with
respect
to
any
spec
certain
types
of
changes
of
the
general
plan,
and
there
was
in
passing
these.
They
did
not
want
these
to
be
amended
or
repealed
without
their
consent
until
they
Sunset,
which
measure
he
would
in
three
years,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
would
like
that
to
be
considered,
because
I
think
that
that's
that's
what
our
city
law
says.
T
We'll
take
that
into
consideration.
I
think
one
thing
we
do
have
to
note
that
there
is
a
sunset
that
is
within
the
time
frame
of
the
general
plan,
so
to
put
a
policy
level
document
or
statement
to
that
effect
could
actually
limit
us
in
terms
of
possible
state
law
in
the
future.
So,
right
now,
as
far
as
the
the
map,
the
map
has
been
prepared
to
honor
the
land
use
capacity
under
measure
e.
G
K
Will
is
the
intent
is
the
intent
for
some
of
the
designations
that
are
on
the
general
plan.
Land
use
map
that
they
are
in
one
of
the
things
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
is
that
some
of
the
designations
in
existing
areas
actually
increase
the
densities
in
some
existing
neighborhoods
relative
to
what
they
are
in
the
general
plan
currently.
K
The
people
in
those
neighborhoods
know
that,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is,
is
that
we've
kind
of
went
through
and
had
a
understand
how
our
general
plan
and
our
current
zoning
now
inter
intersect
with
the
new
laws
from
Sacramento,
which
state
that
the
densities
for
which
things
can
be
built
must
now
be
at
the
highest
possible
densities,
given
the
zoning
and
and
general
plan
designations.
If
their
current
General
plan
designations
are
say,
four
and
a
half
units
per
per
acre
and
they're
changed
to
be
six
units
per
acre.
K
There
are
a
lot
of
areas
in
Newbury,
Park
and
Westlake.
Village
that
are
that
are
very
I
would
like
to
see
the
evidence
of
it.
That's
fine!
That's
certainly
I
I'm,
given
the
nature
of
how
the
city
has
gone
through
and
been
very
consistent
with
respect
to
its
building
within
the
general
plan
designations.
It
would
be
hard
for
me
to
to
believe
a
significant
amount
of
the
neighborhoods
were
built
at
much
higher
densities
than
the
general
plan
actually
designated
I'm
I'd.
M
K
Something
to
consider
I
think
the
public
just
I
would
I
would
like
to
know
many
of
the
areas
of
Newbury
Park,
and
there
are
some
areas
in
Westlake
Village
that
that
would
see
it
increases
in
the
densities
on
the
general
plan
for
their
neighborhoods
and
I.
Just
would
want
to
know
that
I
and
the
public
know
that
those
would
be
the
impacts
for
that.
I
G
B
M
Right
now
this
is
the
draft.
This
is
available
to
the
public
to
review
and
comment
on
through
mid-september
and
then
at
that
point
we'll
be
reviewing
the
comments
that
are
received
and
putting
them
into
a
matrix
and
then
submitting
them
back
to
Planning
Commission
for
you
to
review
again.
Ultimately,
there
will
be
a
revised
General
plan
based
upon
the
direction
that's
received
from
Planning
Commission
and
City
Council
in
terms
of
what
changes
should
be
made
based
on
the
public
comments.
So
it's
correct
for
now,
but
there
will
be
an
updated
version,
but.
L
I
was
just
going
to
comment
that,
to
the
extent
we're
going
to
look
for
acknowledgment
of
commissioner
bus
I,
think
former
council
member
Bill,
De,
La,
Pena
and
Jones
would
probably
like
to
be
included
with
that
acknowledgment
as
well,
since
they
voted
for
various
portions
of
the
general
plan.
That
just
was
my
thought.
B
Do
you
have
any
more
comments
or
questions?
Okay?
So,
if
you'll
look
at
your
agenda,
I'm
now
looking
for
a
motion
that
we
receive
the
presentation
and
that
we
find
that
the
presentation
does
not
constitute
a
project
pursuant
to
the
California
Environmental
Quality,
Act
Etc,
so
I
need
a
motion.
Commissioner
link.
B
E
B
F
2014.,
it
says
2024.
and
the
consent
calendar
item
on
the
collab
Grant
acceptance
to
comply
with
the
solar,
app
Senate
bill
379.
on
July
18th.
The
second
reading
of
the
ordinance
for
the
Latigo
project
will
be
on
the
consent
calendar
if
approved
tomorrow
evening,
following
the
summer
break,
the
next
console
meeting
will
be
September.
The
12th.