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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
standing
committee
on
City,
Finance
and
services
meeting
for
November
22nd
2022
reconvening
from
November
16
2022..
This
committee
meeting
is
being
convened
by
electronic
means
as
authorized
under
part
14
of
the
procedure
by
law.
As
such
committee
members
May,
participate
in
person
or
by
electronic
means
committee,
members
participating
by
electronic
means
are
reminded
that,
in
accordance
with
section
14.13
of
the
procedure,
bylaw
video
must
be
enabled
in
order
to
confirm
quorum.
Any
council
member
whose
video
is
disabled
disabled
will
be
marked
absent
for
that
portion
of
the
meeting.
A
Members
are
also
asked
to
please
advise
the
clerk
if
they
need
to
leave
the
meeting.
If
a
Committee
Member
loses
connection
during
the
voting
process,
staff
will
get
you
back
online
quickly.
While
we
suspend
the
voting
process,
the
staff
contact
information
has
been
circulated
to
you,
video
of
committee
meetings
or
members
speaking
and
vote
results
will
be
projected
on
the
live
stream.
When
available
and
any
comments
on
agenda
items
can
be
sent
to
council
using
the
web
form
on
the
city's
website.
The
link
to
that
form
will
be
tweeted
out
on
Vance
City.
A
Clerk
I
also
want
to
note
the
city
of
Vancouver's,
long-standing
commitment
to
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion,
including
the
utmost
respect
for
all
genders.
I
remind
Council
that
when
addressing
speakers
and
staff,
we
will
avoid
using
gendered
honorifics
and
will
instead
refer
to
the
person
by
first
and
last
name
role
or
title.
We
also
acknowledge
that
we
are.
We
are
on
the
unseated
homelands
of
the
musqueam
Squamish
and
swelotooth
people.
We
thank
them
for
having
cared
for
this
land
and
look
forward
to
working
with
them
in
Partnership,
as
we
continue
to
build
this
great
City
together.
A
B
A
If
the
business
is
not
concluded
by
5
pm
today,
we
will
take
a
dinner
break
at
that
time
and
reconvene
at
6
pm
to
continue
dealing
with
the
remainder
of
the
agenda.
Should
the
business
not
be
completed
this
evening,
this
meeting
will
reconvene
tomorrow
at
3
pm.
Finally,
I
would
like
to
remind
council
members
that
if
amendments
are
brought
forward,
they
must
be
submitted
to
the
city
clerk
in
final
written
form
before
the
council
member
introduces
them.
Please
ensure
the
clerk
has
received
any
potential
amendments
by
using
the
council
meeting
amendments
DL.
A
The
third
referred
motion
is
item
11,
enabling
the
requisitioning
and
hiring
of
a
hundred
new
police
officers
and
100
mental
health
nurses.
Members
motion
B
0.5,
which
was
moved
and
introduced
by
councilor,
dominato
and
seconded
by
counselor
Montague.
As
speakers
were
heard
for
this
item
on
November
16th,
we
will
now
move
directly
to
discussion
council.
Is
there
any
discussion
and
I
see
a
few
council
members
in
the
queue,
so
we
will
start
with
counselor
dominato
the
floor.
C
Thanks
chair
and
thanks,
Council
I've
circulated
an
amendment
it's
revised
from
last
weekend.
I
just
actually
corrected
a
typo,
so
my
apologies
but
IT
addresses
some
changes.
That
I
think
really
reflect
the
paradigm
shift
that
we
saw
with
Premier
EB's
announcement
around
the
safer
communities,
efforts
and
I.
Think
number
of
us
attended
on
Sunday,
and
so
what
you'll
see
reflected
in
there
are
a
couple
of
them.
C
All
right
try
to
speak
to
each
one
of
them,
so
the
First
Amendment
you'll,
see
within
Claus
is
B
and
C
is
a
shift
in
the
funding.
We
had
initially
identified
an
initial
block
of
funding
to
support
the
hiring
of
police
officers
and
mental
health
nurses.
What
we're
affirming
as
of
the
announcement
and
further
conversations,
is
a
full
block
of
funding
for
the
2023
operating
budget
of
8
million
for
both
policing
and
mental
health
nurses,
inclusive
of
any
provincial
or
federal
government
funding
that
may
be
available.
C
C
C
That
were
also
announced
on
Sunday
and
so
with
those
those
are
the
amendments
I'm
moving.
This
afternoon,.
A
Thank
you
councilor
dominato
and
apologies
for
the
technical
issues
there
we're
now
going
to
move
to
the
amendment
cues.
So
please
add
yourself
to
the
queue.
If
you
would
like
to
speak.
Thank
you.
First
person
in
the
amendment
queue
is
counselor
fry
counselor
fry.
You
have
the
floor.
Yeah.
E
Thanks
chair
concerned
with
these
sort
of
ad
hoc
nature
of
how
these
numbers
keep
changing.
Obviously
we
heard
that
there
was
the
original
impression
that
the
province
was
paying
three
million
dollars
towards
mental
health
and
now
we're
seeing
this
change
and
I'm
seeing
the
the
police
budget
that
was
just
released
for
2023
operating
budget
The
Vancouver
Police
are
suggesting
these
new
hires
will
cost
15.7
million
dollars
inclusive
of
20
civilian,
but
15.7
million
dollars
is
a
quite
a
big
difference
from
eight
million
dollars
and
I'm.
E
Also
noting
that,
in
fact,
the
police
are
seeking
a
38
and
a
half
million
dollar
budget
increase
for
2023
and
I
really
feel
that
this
is,
is
poorly
formed
and
and
really
is
more
deserving
of
there's,
certainly
some
great
stuff
talking
about
the
mental
health
and
some
of
the
support
for
the
safer
communities
action
plan,
but
the
specific
allocation
of
funding
I
am
really
struggling
with
where
the
numbers
are
coming
from
how
this
has
been
vetted.
E
We've
seen
the
numbers
change
a
number
of
times
and
and
frankly,
I
know
that
this
is
going
to
go
ahead
because
of
the
ABC
majority,
but
I
think
it's
it's
reckless
in
in
the
fact
that
the
numbers
have
been
challenged
in
the
media
and
refuted
as
not
accurate,
and
then
we've
seen
a
change
in
the
numbers
and
there's
still
not
accurate
relative
to
what
the
police
are
predicting.
So
I
will
be
asking
for
this
to
be
severed.
As
far
as
the
amendments.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
councilor
all
right,
councilor,
Boyle.
F
Thanks
chair
I,
share
those
concerns
but
I'm
hoping
to
ask
a
couple
questions
of
the
Mover
of
the
amendment
through
you
as
chair.
If
you'll
allow
it,
and
the
first
is
that
I
am
interested
to
know
where
the
original
numbers
of
4.5
and
1.5
came
from
and
where
these
8
million
come
from.
I'll
leave
that,
as
my
first
question.
C
Yes,
thanks
for
the
question,
my
understanding
is
that
these
were
estimates
based
on
conversations
with
VPD
and
VCH
around
the
costing
for
fds
for
mental
health,
nurses
and
police
officers,
and,
as
was
noted,
there
is
now
a
public
document
that
VPD
board
has
released
around
costing
for
the
budget,
and
so
that
has
helped
inform
our
information.
And
my
understanding
is
that,
with
what's
proposed,
the
eight
million
dollars
allocated
for
2023
that
will
enable
the
hiring
of
100
officers
in
2023.
F
I
have
a
follow-up
question
chair
which
is
in
that
report,
which
which
of
course,
is
just
out
this
afternoon
from
the
police
board
as
counselor
fry
stated,
their
estimate
is
15
million
to
hire
100
new
police
officers
and
so
again,
I'm
just
really
trying
to
understand
the
the
numbers
before
us.
Why?
The
discrepancy
between
that
15
million
and
this
eight
and
and
that
15
million
and
the
earlier
for
4.5
yeah.
C
I
appreciate
the
question
councilor
Boyle,
so
my
understanding
again
is
that,
with
this
initial,
this
full
block
of
eight
million
funding
for
2023
that
VPD
can
hire
those
hundred
officers
and
that
the
15.7
million
is
an
annualized
cost.
F
Okay,
so
do
you
just
again
as
a
follow-up
through
you
chair,
if
you'll
allow
it
a
full,
fully
funded
estimate
for
this
100
police
officers
and
100
nurses
plan
once
it's
up
to
date,
we
just
keep
seeing
moving
numbers
and
so
I'm
interested
in
what
the
full
commitment
that
council
is
making
here,
whether
it's
over
a
year
or
two
years.
The
cost
of
this.
C
Yes,
it
was
noted
this
is
for
one
year,
2023.
Obviously,
it'll
take
a
bit
of
time
for
VPD
to
ramp
up
and
recruit
and
hire
those
officers,
but
that
with
that
sum,
they
will
be
able
to
have
100
officers
in
place
in
2023
and
then
the
15.7
million
is
an
annualized
cost
on
an
ongoing
basis.
F
Okay,
I
will
leave
my
questions
there
and
and
just
say,
I
too,
share
a
concern
that
we're
making
such
significant
funding
decisions
and
what
feels
like
on
the
Fly.
Maybe
some
counselors
have
been
privy
to
conversations
about
these
numbers,
but
many
of
us
are
finding
out
about
them
in
an
amendment
circulated
within
the
last
hour
or
on
social
media
I.
F
Don't
think
that
that's
a
good
way
to
be
making
these
decisions,
and
even
more
so
I,
these
are
important
conversations
about
how
best
and
how
most
effectively
we're
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
the
Mental
Health
crisis
that
we're
seeing
across
the
city
and
I
think
we
should
be
doing
that
work
in
a
more
informed
way.
F
Looking
at
all
the
options
on
the
table
and
allocating
funding
the
based
on
Effectiveness
based
on
programs,
so
again,
I
I
know
this
will
go
through,
but
I
have
some
some
serious
concerns
about
how
the
process
has
happened
so
far
as
one
of
the
first
motions
to
this
Council
it
it
feels
like
we
have
room
for
improvement
in
our
governance
here.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Boyle,
councilor,.
G
Kirby
young
yeah
yeah,
thank
you,
chair
I
would
like
to
speak
just
be
happy
that
we
have
a
shared
commitment
to
good
governance,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
we
have
all
espoused
I
think
it's
really
important
to
recognize
that
we
have
had
very
bold
action,
not
just
initially
from
this
Council,
but
also
from
The
Province,
and
we
have
a
developing
situation
happily,
where
we
are
actually
seeing
Council
and
the
province
both
step
up
to
take
significant
action
to
address
these
significant
issues
that
are
happening
in
our
city,
and
that
means
that
we
are
adapting
to
an
announcement
that
happened
on
Sunday
morning
on
a
weekend,
because
new
premier
EB
hit
the
ground
running
out
of
the
gate.
G
We
heard
comment
previously
from
Premier
Horgan
that
Vancouver
was
on
the
right
track.
We've
had
EB
endorse
the
direction
of
pairing,
Mental,
Health
Resources,
with
police
officers,
as
well
as
the
importance
of
peer
assisted
crisis
teams,
and
clearly
we
have
a
paradigm
now
that
is
starting
to
align
where
we're
seeing
all
levels
of
government
working
together
and
I
think
that
this
process
has
been
responsive.
To
that
I
would
add
my
comments
with
respect
to
the
funding
envelope.
G
That
will
come
on
stream,
naturally
progressively
throughout
the
year,
based
on
recruiting
hiring
training.
All
of
those
good
things
I'm
also
really
happy
to
see
the
inclusion
and
thanks
to
council
dominado
for
that
of
The
Pact
request
for
the
peer
assisted
crisis
team,
I.
Think
originally,
you
would
have
seen
that
come
forward
as
a
separate
motion,
but
again
kind
of
responding
to
the
emerging
opportunities
and
the
I
think
spectacular
alignment.
I,
don't
think!
There's
another
word
for
it
that
we
are
seeing
with
the
province.
G
It
only
makes
sense
to
convey
and
that
we
see
this
as
a
very
integrated
holistic
framework
and
we're
responding
to
that
door.
That
has
been
opened
and
walking
through
it
with
open
arms
that
we
are
looking
to
tackle
the
problems
with
proven
programs
like
aot
their
sort
of
outreaching
that
have
outcomes,
but
we're
also
looking
to
be
open
to
the
opportunities
where
we
can
look
for
intervention
that
where
we
can
de-escalate
and
we
can
bring
in
and
we
can
try
new
things
like
the
PAC
team
and
I.
Think
that
this
amendment
really
thoughtfully.
G
Does
that
I
also
think
that
it
conveys
council's
gratitude
to
the
province
quite
frankly,
for
stepping
up
and
making
this
the
first
of
the
premier's
three
announcements
and
I
think
that
we
can
spend
our
time
debating
the
fact
that
we
are
being
responsive
to
the
emerging
situation
or
we
can
actually
go
back
to
the
10
000
foot
level
and
look
at
the
fact
that
there
is
a
huge
cost
to
not
doing
this
and
I
think
about
instances
like
on
the
weekend,
I
think
on
Commercial
Drive.
G
There
people
were
out
having
brunch
11
o'clock
and
one
of
the
staff
members
had
a
gun
held
up
to
them.
Some
of
the
brunches
were
had
were
shaken
down
with
respect
to
taking
their
wallets.
We
have
had
many
instances,
such
as
in
Chinatown
with
the
Chinese
Senior,
who,
for
the
second
time,
was
walking
to
get
his
morning,
bow
at
the
bakery
and
was
attacked
and
assaulted,
and
we've
seen
a
lot
of
instances
of
people
with
mental
health
who
are
falling
through
the
gaps
and
we
have
not
been
able
to
meet.
G
We
left
I
should
say
police
officers
on
the
table
when
Council
shortchanged
the
VPD
budget
last
time,
and
we
could
have
actually
scaled
up
the
car
87.88
and
we
could
have
done
or
the
aot
and
had
some
positive
Outreach,
because
we
know
that
that
helps
keep
people
in
housing.
We
know
that
helps
keep
people
from
devolving
that
have
significant
needs,
and
so
I
would
say
to
all
of
council.
What
is
the
cost
of
not
doing
this?
So
I
really
hope
we
don't
get
into
a
debate
over.
You
know
how
much
funding
is
going.
G
The
first
quarter
versus
the
second
versus
this
is
a
direction
that
we
need
to
go
in
to
support
the
vulnerable
in
our
city,
they're
falling
through
the
cracks
and
support
all
residents
in
feeling,
safe,
so
I
think
it's
a
really
thoughtful
comprehensive
moment.
I'm,
really
appreciative
of
counselor
dominata
for
bringing
it
forward
and
I
will
wholeheartedly
support
it.
Thank
you.
A
G
H
Thanks
so
much
chair,
so
like
some
of
my
colleagues
I'm
a
bit,
you
know
just
made
by
the
last
minute
changes
and
rather
than
comprehensive,
I
find
it
confusing,
because
the
numbers
floated
out
of
the
VPD
meeting.
I
mean
the
police
board
meeting
last
night
and
in
the
media
today
seemed
to
still
contradict
some
of
the
numbers
that
are
being
presented
here.
H
You
know,
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
is
one
of
the
problems
that
really
I
believe
stems
from
the
fact
that
this
is
a
member's
motion
rather
than
a
report
to
council,
because
if
it
was
a
report
to
council,
we
would
have
had
the
analysis
provided
to
us
by
staff.
We
are
limited
in
this
form
of
a
member's
motion
of
not
being
able
to
ask
staff
the
questions.
That's
one
of
the
rules
around
members
motion,
so
we
are
working
in
the
absence
of
good,
solid
information
and
instead
have
numbers
that
none
of
us.
H
Well,
maybe
some
of
us,
but
not
all
of
us
are
confident
are
the
right
numbers,
and
these
are
large
amounts
of
numbers.
When
you're
talking
about
eight
million
eight
million
you're
talking
about
a
percentage
eat,
if
for
each
of
the
of
the
additional
police
and
the
additional
nurses
to
the
budget
of
this
city,
that's
two
percentage
points
above
I.
H
Don't
know
if
that
means
that
there's
going
to
be
motions
when
we
deal
with
the
budget
that
will
reduce
other
services
within
the
city
to
make
up
for
that
two
percent
increase
or
if
it
will
be
an
actual
two
percent
increase
on
top
of
what
we
are
presented.
H
These
are
very
serious
decisions
and
I,
don't
want
to
I
I'm,
not
prepared
to
actually
support
the
the
language
that
has
been
circulated
and
in
a
and
b
because
of
the
the
inability
to
know
the
ramifications
of
these
numbers
on
Services
that
that
would
be
otherwise
funded
Within
the
budget
that
is
not
coming
to
us
now
until
spring.
So
from
my
point
of
view,
the
you
know,
without
knowing
what
the
trade-offs
may
be
in
the
future.
I
can't
support
A
and
B
and
I
would
like
the
motion
severed.
F
I
just
wanted
to
add
it,
and
I
would
also
appreciate
us
evering,
though
I
think
it's
B
and
C
separate
from
d
and
e,
but
also
wanted
to
speak
and
support.
Much
as
I
have
concerns
about
the
process.
In
particular
around
these
funding
requests
strongly
support,
packed
teams.
That
is
something
one
city
ran
on
it's
a
conversation
I've
had
with
with
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
residents.
In
the
past
few
months,
we
heard
so
clearly
about
the
need
for
non-police
response.
F
It
was
great
to
see
the
province,
invest,
10,
announce
10
million
dollars
in
investment
impact
programs.
I
think
that's
really
appropriate
and
I
had
also
hoped
to
amend
it
onto
this
motion
and
then
wondered
if
it
would
be
called
out
of
order,
because
of
it
being,
as
was
mentioned,
sort
of
separate
from
this
idea,
but
I'm
certainly
happy
to
support
it
being
in
here
and
support
those
programs
going
forward
and
measuring
the
outcomes
in
terms
of
how
we
allocate
future
funding
for
mental
health
services.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
counselor
fry
yeah,.
E
Thanks
chair
I'm
back
and
I,
echoing
councilor
Boyle
I
I
did
I
had
submitted
an
amendment
which
may
now
be
out
of
order,
given
some
of
the
new
content
here,
which
is
supportable
but
of
course
reflecting
some
of
the
stuff
we
heard
from
the
crisis
centers
of
BC
around
around,
where
they
see
sort
of
treatment,
options
for
mental
health
and
Crisis
Intervention
going
but
I'm
I'm
still
a
little
bit
struggling
and
I'm
wondering
Sheriff
through
you.
E
I
can
ask
a
question
to
the
city
manager,
because
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
challenged
with
maybe
it's
helpful
if
I
just
read
out
what
what
the
police
budget
says,
which
they
say,
city
council
motion
hire,
100
new
police
officers,
here's
four
and
five
operational
review,
20
civilian
professionals
estimate
15
million
seven
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars,
which
includes
funding
for
recruit
training,
wage
adjustment,
uniform
equipment,
inflation
and
the
authorized
strength
increases
from
additional
staff
from
Investments
above
we'll
see,
It'll
take
approximately
nine
months
for
a
new
recruit
to
be
Deployable.
E
So
this
is
really
talking
about
an
immediate
spending:
ask
to
meet
this
100
100
new
police
officers
and
I'm
curious,
given
the
tenor
of
of
a
which
suggests
Our
intention
to
make
funding
available
to
enable
the
requisitioning
and
hiring,
but
then
in
B
it
talks
about
a
full
block
of
funding
being
eight
million
dollars.
That's
a
that's!
A
7.7
million
dollar
funding,
Gap
curious!
If,
if
that
seems
contradictory,
how
would
the
this
this
staff
interpret
this?
If
I
could
ask
through
this
you
to
the
city
manager.
I
Thanks
sure
through
you,
so
the
the
our
reading
of
B
is
that
or
the
motion
generally
is
that
this
is
funds
that
are
being
earmarked,
that
the
allocation
as
contemplating
B
is
subject
to
a
submission
of
an
actual
plan
from
the
VPD
which
would
presumably
set
out
timing,
specific
costing
and
so
on.
I
Of
course,
we
haven't
seen
that
so
we're
not
in
a
position
to
comment
on
that
that
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
answering
your
question
answering
the
question,
but
but
that's
how
we're
reading
the
motion
is
that
there
isn't
any
money
being
allocated
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
an
earmark.
I
E
I
For
2023,
we
would
interpret
this
as
8
million
being
the
amount.
Yes,
the
complete
amount.
E
I
And
again,
through
the
chair,
we
understand
that
again,
having
not
seen
the
police
report
specifically,
we
understand
it
as
an
annualized
figure
which
wouldn't
all
be
incurred
in
2023,
but
there
would
be
then
a
knock
on
an
additional
funding
requirement
in
2024
to
make
up
the
difference.
I
A
Thank
you.
Both
counselor
fry
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
you're
still
wishing
to.
J
A
E
A
A
H
Thank
you.
My
point
of
procedure
is
that
severing
doesn't
accommodate
how
I
wish
to
vote
on
a
block.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
want
that
information
now,
but
it
might
be
confusing
otherwise
for
me
to
in
fact
impossible
for
me
to
vote
so
I
can
only
vote
if
it's
if
a
B
and
C
are
in
one
block
and
then
D
and
E
are
another
separate
block.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
your
patience,
there's
no
amendment
in
a
so
we
are
going
to
take
a
vote
for
the
amendments
in
b
and
c,
and
we're
going
to
do
it
together
to.
D
A
A
b
and
c
so
clerk
could
you
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel.
A
Okay,
in.
A
We
have
councilor
Meister,
councilor
Carr,
no.
A
G
A
G
As
as.
A
A
B
Yes
chair,
yes,
so
we
just
voted
on
was
a
didn't,
have
any
amendments
to
it
and
B
and
C
were
the
Amendments
that
were
just
voted
upon
and
that
we're
about
to
go
to
D
and
E.
A
The
vote
results
yeah.
Oh
I,
can't
see
those
anymore.
B
D
D
To
take
a
recess
for
a.
A
Hey,
thank
you,
everybody
for
your
patience
and
apologies
about
the
delay.
There.
We're
gonna
go
back
to
the
queue
for
counselor
Carr.
Please
go
ahead.
C
Thanks
chair
I'd
like
to
move
a
motion
of
reconsideration
on
the
last
vote,
yeah.
A
Okay
clerk,
could
you
please
take
us
to
the
voting
screen?
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Okay
abstain
was
counselor,
Boyle,
councilor.
A
So
now
we
are
going
to
Recon.
We
voted
in
favor
of
the
reconsideration,
so
we're
going
to
vote
again
on
amendments
a
b
and
c
and
clerk.
Would
you
please
move
us
to
the
voting
screen.
A
The
motion
carries
they.
Mended
amendments
carry
in
opposition,
councilor,
Carr,
counselor,
Boyle
and
councilor
fry
councilor,
blyes,
absent
and
mayor
Sim
is
absent.
A
Okay,
now
we
are
going
to
vote
on
amendments
d
and
e
and
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
take
us
to
the
voting
screen.
A
A
Okay,
now
we're
back
to
the
main
motion
and
councilor
dominato.
You
have
the
floor.
C
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr,.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
have
circulated
an
amendment.
H
That's
okay,
then
I
had
to
to
change
the
language
based
on
the
amendment
by
councilor
dominato.
So
looked
to
my
most
recent
email
and
my
amendments
are
in
b
and
c
and
they're
adding
a
d.
But
now
that
might
have
to
be
just
whatever
the
letter
is
because
of
the
g
e.
But
my
amendments
are
to
sorry
just.
H
My
amendments
are,
first
of
all
to
write
that
the
mayor
would
write
to
the
bank
of
a
police
board
I'm,
not
born
of
Vancouver
Coastal
Health,
because
I'm
differentiating
the
message
to
those
two
and
to
to
write
to
the
police
board
to
say
that
the
requisitioning
and
hiring
of
new
police
officers
is
in
con
is
contingent
on
Vancouver
Coastal,
Health
funding
mental
health
nurses
and
that
then
there'll
be
a
letter
directing
the
mayor
to
write
to
Premier
EB,
the
board
of
Vancouver
Coastal
Health,
the
provincial
minister
of
health
and
the
minister
of
mental
health
and
Addictions
on
behalf
of
council,
to
request
that
the
province
fund,
the
hiring
of
100
mental
health
nurses
on
an
urgent
basis.
H
So
that
I'm
just
going
to
speak
to
that
first.
One
first,
which
is
to
recognize
that
that
the
kind
of
work
that
is
being
anticipated
in
this
motion
requires
a
collaborative
effort
of
the
police
and
mental
health
nurses
and
other
Health,
Care,
Professionals
and
and
I
would
not
want
to
see
the
hiring
of
the
police
in
the
absence
of
the
team.
H
Support
needed
by
the
Health
Care,
Professionals
and
I
also
do
not
want
to
see
the
city
embark
on
this
path
of
actually
funding
nurses,
when
it
is
still
the
responsibility
of
the
provincial
government
to
fund
Health
Care
Professionals
for
the
most
part
and
I
can't
I
mean
I
believe
that
this
is
a
very
slippery
slope.
I've
heard
many
comments
in
this
council
chambers
over
over
a
number
of
years
about
whether
or
not
we're
exceeding
our
jurisdiction
to
be
funding.
H
Certain
things
that
are
the
provision
should
be
the
the
jurisdiction
of
senior
governments
to
fund
and
I
have
supported,
for
example,
on
the
issue
of
housing,
supported
our
efforts
on
that
regard,
but
I'm
I'm,
very
nervous
about
the
costs
involved
in
in
funding
nurses
and
this
slippery
slope
that
that
might
be.
So
that's
my
first
amendment.
My
second
amendment
is
my
first
idea
of
amendment.
H
My
second
is
in
C
and
that
is
to
to
allocate
the
block
of
funding,
and
it
says
up
to
eight
million
but
sorry
I'm
in
the
wrong
motion.
My
second
I'm
sorry
Amendment
is
in
b
to
say
that
that
block
of
funding
would
be
additional
to
the
Baseline
operating
budget
so
that
it
could
be
voted
on
in
an
additional
way
and
and
that
it
would
be
contingent
on
the
guaranteed
funding
and
provision
of
the
sufficient
Health
Care
nurses.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Counselor
Carr
I'm,
now
going
to
move
us
to
the
amendment
queue.
So
if
you
had
put
yourself
in
the
queue
previously,
please
re-out
yourself
to
the
amendment
queue.
That's,
unfortunately
why
the
microphone
keeps
getting
shut
off
if
I
switch
the
amendment
queue
it
shuts
off
the
mic.
So
sorry
about
that-
and
this
is
the
Amendments
by
counselor
Carr
to
B
and
C,
just
reconfirming
that
so
counselor
dominado,
please
go
ahead.
You
have
the
floor.
Oh
apologies,
oh
I
lost
you!
Sorry!
Just.
G
Chair
point
of
privilege,
I
believe
I
I
was
on
the
Queue
initially
first.
If,
if
the
clerks
could
just
update
that
okay
can
I
go
ahead,
okay.
G
No
problem
at
all,
thank
you,
chair,
yeah,
I'm
gonna
speak
against
this
amendment
and
for
the
simple
reason
that
I
think
that
putting
I
think
it's
important
that
we
focus
again
on
the
vision
here,
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
I
am
concerned
that
the
outcome
of
this
amendment
will
serve
to
delay
the
implementation
of
these
badly
needed
programs.
We
know
that
there
are
going
to
be
different,
hiring
timelines
and
processes
and
training
periods
to
ramp
up.
G
We
know
that
some,
sometimes
we
may
be
hiring
new
officers
that
go
through
training.
Some
may
be
experienced
the
same
with
nurses.
They
may
come
from
different
sources
and
I
think
Council
doesn't
want
to
get
down
in
the
details
of
operationalizing
this.
We
are
committing
to
a
vision
and
I
think
that
magical
things
happen
when
we're
actually
willing
to
step
up
on
the
core
issues.
G
We
saw
that,
as
you
know,
again,
I'll
go
back
and
repeat
it
again
with
the
announcement
that
happened
with
a
new
premier
EB
on
the
weekend,
who
was
willing
to
come
forward
and
work
with
us,
and
what
we
are
seeing
here
is
a
move
towards
a
new
paradigm
of
integrated
teams,
of
integrated
support
of
coordination
between
the
different
levels
of
government
and
I.
Think
that
I
won't
suggest.
This
is
a
delay
tactic,
but
I
and
I
won't
be
that
explicit,
but
I
think
that
what
it
will
do
is
serve
to
delay
and
I.
G
Think
it's
really
important
that
we
take
action.
We
had
a
loud
and
clear
mandate
on
supporting
moving
forward
with
this
piece,
and
that
is
what
we
are
doing.
So
I
am
not
going
to
personally
support
anything
that
I
think
is
going
to
derail
the
speed
of
getting
this
up
and
running
because
again,
it's
pretty
cold
comfort.
G
If
you
are
the
victim
of
a
random
attack
or
if
you
are
an
individual,
that's
falling
through
the
cracks
that
you're
waiting
until
the
stars
align
100
on
all
the
funding,
and
we
know
that
we
need
to
progressively
move
this
forward,
and
this
is
about
starting
to
take
action
and
working
together
in
Partnership,
so
for
those
Reasons
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
amendment.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Yeah,
unlike
Council
Kirby
young
I,
think
that
this
is
largely
in
the
spirit
of
the
the
original
motion.
When
I
read
the
title
enabling
the
requisitioning
and
hiring
of
100
new
police
officers
and
100
mental
health
nurses,
it's
hard
to
contemplate
it
as
a
delay.
If
it
was
two
different
things,
maybe
they
should
have
been
introduced
as
two
separate
motions
but
in
any
event,
I'm
a
little
conflicted
on
supporting
this
I
I.
E
Do
support
weaving
these
together,
but
I
think
we
did
hear
pretty
compelling
stories
from
folks
working
in
the
mental
health
field
that
that,
in
fact,
police
attendance,
maybe
isn't
always
the
best
approach
to
mental
health
and
crisis
interventions
and
Stacy
Ashton
from
BC
crisis.
E
Centers
made
a
very
compelling
presentation
at
the
the
time
of
the
introduction
of
this
motion
and
then
again
this
morning
on
Stephen
Quinn's,
CBC
worth
a
listen
to,
because
I
think
that
there
are
certainly
models
that
that
don't
necessarily
need
to
involve
a
police
intervention
for
people
who
are
in
crisis
and
in
fact,
that
oftentimes
that
can
exacerbate
more
questions.
This.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilor
fry
Council,
Boyle.
F
Thanks
I
I
also
will
be
supporting
those,
though,
and
and
we'll
add
the
ring
of
nurses
is
the
is
the
piece
of
this
I'm
actually
of
the
of
the
original
motion
that
I'm
most
inclined
to
support
because,
like
we
continue
to
hear
so
many
people
facing
Mental
Health
crisis
or
a
number
of
other
crises
need
that
health
support
and
what
we
see
in
programs
from
New
West
to
Toronto
and
Beyond
is
better
outcomes
for
everyone
when
we're
sending
the
right
type
of
response,
whether
it's
nurses
or
peers
and
mental
health
workers.
F
So
that
is
the
part
of
this
motion.
I'm
most
inclined
to
support
but,
as
was
said,
I
think
if
the
intention
is
these
are
teams
working
together.
We
should
absolutely
be
allocating
this
funding
in
a
coordinated
way,
rather
than
separate
and
unrelated
to
each
other,
and
so
I
appreciate
counselor
Carr,
putting
forward
language
that
connects
these
two
pieces.
So
again,
we
are
at
least
including
a
health
care
response
in
these
Investments
I
think
that
is
the
most
appropriate.
A
C
Thanks
chair
and
I
think
to
offer
some
comments
to
the
amendment
on
the
table,
echoing
councilor
Kirby
Young's
comments
about
the
urgency
and
that
the
public
was
demanding
action
on
this
file.
I
think
we
heard
that
loud
and
clear
over
the
last
number
of
months
and
and
during
the
election
and
from
my
perspective,
if
you
you
consider
the
paradigm
shift
that
we
did
see
on
the
weekend,
Premier
EB
was
very
clear
in
his
comments
on
Sunday
that
that
they
were
supporting
and
expanding
the
car
programs,
province-wide
and
I.
C
Think
it's
very
clear
from
the
the
motion.
That's
been
table
as
it's
presented
today
already.
Is
that
it
it
does.
Our
motion
does
presume
provincial
funding
and
presumably
the
three
million
province-wide
will
be
from
Health,
because
that
is
the
jurisdiction
of
of
the
provinces.
C
Around
mental
health,
nurses
and
nursing
policing
costs
are
actually
the
responsibility
of
local
government
and
so
I
anticipate
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
seek
funding
with
respect
to
those
nurses,
and
so
in
that
regard,
I
think
this
amendment
is
redundant
and
in
fact,
that
the
existing
motion
already
contemplates
the
possibility
of
provincial
funding,
which,
like
I
say
premium
Ruby
was
EP,
was
very
clear
on
the
weekend
about
that,
and
so
for
that
reason,
I
won't
be
supporting
the
amendment.
H
Domino
councilor
Carr,
to
conclude,
you
know,
I
think
we
think
we've
heard
a
many
times
at
this
Council
table
the
importance
of
delivering
Services
more
services,
especially
in
the
downtown
east
side,
but
throughout
the
city,
to
address
the
mental
health
issues,
the
addiction
issues,
the
trauma,
issues
that
people
are
facing
and
that
the
nurses,
those
involved
with
training
in
health
and
mental
health,
are
absolutely
critical
and
in
fact,
we've
also
heard
at
this
Council
table
that
police
alone,
not
as
part
of
a
team
but
alone,
are
not
the
solution
for
many
of
these
issues,
which
really
are
very
much
focused
on
the
health
conditions
of
people,
mental
health
and
physical
health.
H
So
I
think
that
my
my
Amendment
just
says:
look:
let's
not
proceed
with
just
the
police.
Let's
proceed
in
a
collaborative
way
with
the
the
police
and
the
nurses
and
the
Health
Care
Professionals,
moving
together
as
teams
and
I
love
all
these
programs,
car
8788,
the
ACT
teams,
the
Outreach
teams,
I
mean
these
are
fabulous
fabulous
programs,
and
what
we
heard
on
the
weekend
was
that
the
new
premier
EB
is
willing
to
put
money
into
this.
H
So,
lest,
if
we
put
it
in
it's
just,
it
seems
like
such
a
wrong
timing,
especially
if
we're
concerned
as
I
think
many
people
around
this
table
are
with
with
the
taxpayers
and
the
and
the
the
burden
that
is
placed
on
them
to
proceed
with
so
many
new,
so
many
needed
programs,
so
I
I
say:
let's
just
link
it.
Let's
do
a
very
concerted
Outreach
to
the
premier
and
and
take
him
up
on
his
offer,
and
just
he
I
mean
he's
from
Vancouver.
H
He
knows
how
desperate
the
situation
is
here,
so
I'm
I'm
not
saying
no
to
the
fruit
doing
it.
It's
just
the
time.
The
way
we
do
it
and
who,
how
who
funds
it?
That
I
think
are
critical.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr
see
no
one
else
on
the
Queue
to
speak
to
the
amendment
I'm
now
going
to
call
a
vote
clerk,
please
you
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
Council.
Please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel
or
a
and
b.
A
Okay
in
opposition,
we
had
councilor
Meisner
counselor
Kirby
young
counselor,
dominado
councilor,
Montague,
counselor,
Klassen,
counselor,
Joe
and
absent
councilor
Bly
and
mayor
Sim.
A
The
motion
fails
and
we're
going
to
move
back
to
the
main.
The
main
motion
and
counselor
Carr.
F
Thanks
chair
I
also
have
two
amendments
that
I
circulated
and
I
think
just
to
avoid
confusion.
I'll
move
them
one
at
a
time.
So
if
you
could
move
us
to
an
amendment,
Q
I'll
speak
to
the
first
one.
First
great.
F
Thanks,
my
first
amendment
is
asking
that
included
in
the
requirements
and
expectations
around
this
funding,
which
is
which
is
now
16
million
dollars
in
funding
that
our
staff
work
with
Partners
to
develop
a
detailed
set
of
evaluation
criteria
and
ongoing
evaluation
plan.
In
particular.
What
comes
to
mind
is
what
we
heard
from
Johnny
Morris
from
the
Canadian
Mental
Health
Association,
BC,
that
in
their
packed
pilot
programs,
they
have
been
developing
quite
a
comprehensive
set
of
evaluation.
F
Metrics
for
measuring
the
effectiveness
of
those
programs.
I
think
we
could
borrow
from
and
look
to
those
in
terms
of
measuring
the
impacts
that
we're
getting.
F
You
know
whether
you
call
it
Community
impacts
or
you
call
it
return
on
investment,
we're
putting
16
million
more
into
these
programs
and
I
think
we
have
some
responsibility
to
be
accountable
for
ensuring
that
that
funding
is
meeting
the
needs
that
we
all
recognize
in
terms
of
community
safety
and
and
mental
health
crises
across
the
city,
and
so
hope
will
be
we'll
see
some
support
for
for
being
able
to
monitor
the
effectiveness
of
these
programs
and
make
future
decisions,
funding
and
otherwise,
decisions
based
on
outcomes
and
impacts.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
really
excited
about
this
enthusiasm
for
outcomes.
G
I
guess
I
have
a
question
with
respect
to
sort
of
the
governance
around
this
one
is
whether
or
not
we're
really
in
the
framing
of
this
amendment
as
to
whether
or
not
we're
really
creating
additional
work
for
our
staff,
as
opposed
to
Simply,
if
it
was
framed
differently
as
a
request
to
Coastal,
Health
or
VPD
or
CMHA,
to
provide
us
with
information
on
the
outcomes,
because
I
know
that
those
organizations,
for
example,
with
the
joint
partnership
with
car
8788
or
with
aot,
they
have
documented
outcomes
between
the
two
organizations.
G
But
this
looks
like
we're:
creating
additional
sort
of
repetitive
work
for
our
staff
to
do
that,
so
I'm
fully
supportive
of
being
focused
on
evidence-based
investment
and
outcomes,
but
I
think
that
this
would
be
better
framed
as
a
request
to
those
agencies
to
provide
that
information
back
as
opposed
to.
We
always
hear
about
sort
of
the
limited
resources
and
what
we're
piling
on
to
staff
as
opposed
to
asking
our
staff
to
do
it.
I'm
also
concerned,
with
the
time
frame
of
coming
back
every
six
months.
That
might
be.
G
We
typically
get
annual
date,
some
reports
from
Coastal
Health
coming
forward
on
key
part
programs
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
realistic,
so
I'm
concerned
with
the
framing
around
this
motion.
I
won't
suggest
that
it's
out
of
order
because
it
says
work
with
the
VPD.
We
all
know
we
can't
direct
the
VPD
or
VCH
or
an
external
body,
but
I
think
that
the
framing
of
this
motion
is
problematic.
A
C
Thanks
chair
I
always
welcome
discussion
around
evaluation
of
of
programs
and
services
because
in
in
many
cases
there
are
instances
where
governments
have
embarked
on
programs
and
they
don't
build
in
evaluation,
and
so
you
really
don't
get
a
sense
as
to
whether
you
can
get
outputs,
but
you
don't
necessarily
know
whether
you're
actually
making
a
difference
and
that's
what
outcomes
get
to.
But
in
that
regard,
I've
moved
an
amendment
to
this
amendment.
C
It
is
to
change
the
reporting
time
frame
to
annually
and
it
is
coming
from
a
place
of
policy
work.
I've
done
where
again,
you
can
get
outputs,
perhaps
in
six
or
eight
months,
but
you're
not
going
to
get
outcome
based
information,
that's
substantive
in
my
opinion
and
so
to
have
a
reporting
on
the
annual
basis.
I
think
is
reasonable.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
dominators
I'm,
now
going
to
move
us
to
Amendment
Q2.
Please
add
yourself
to
the
queue.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
to
that
counselor
Boyle,
please
go
ahead.
F
Just
to
say,
I
think
this
is
this
is
fine,
provided
those
annual
updates
relate
to
timelines
when
we're
making
budget
decisions,
but
can
appreciate
that
fits
with
with
reporting
out
timelines
and
the
balance
of
not
creating
additional
work,
while
making
sure
we're
making
informed
funding
decisions.
So
I'm
fine
with
this.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Counselor
Carr.
H
The
first
inclination
is
to
say
the
situation
is
so
drastic
and
changing
to
the
negative
so
rapidly
that
actually
having
reporting
on
a
more
frequent
basis
makes
sense.
I
mean
we
really
want
to.
D
H
The
problems
that
that
this
whole
motion
addresses
so
hearing
the
responses
just
like
with
with
covet
when
we
were
in
covid,
we
were
getting
daily
updates
because
the
situation
was
so
drastic.
So
you
know
my
inclination
is
to
support
the
the
six
months.
H
I
think
that
that
yeah,
my
inclination,
is
to
support
the
six
months.
I
I
absolutely
believe
that
the
reports
are
essential
and
certainly
a
fair
at
least
happening
annually,
that's
better
than
them
not
happening
so
that
you
can
make
those
be
adjustments,
but
on
an
annual
basis,
your
ability
to
readjust
is
is
more
limited.
It's
going
to
take
more
time
and
I
just
think.
We
need
fast
action.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr,
councilor,.
G
Ahead,
yeah
thanks
I
think
that,
because
I
think
the
devil's,
all
always
in
the
details,
I
just
would
like
to
know
how
staff
interpret
this
and
specifically
in
terms
of
when
it
says,
to
direct
working
with
the
partners
and
paraphrasing
to
develop
a
detailed
set
of
criteria
and
ongoing
evaluation
plan.
G
Do
staff
view
that
that
you
would
be
looking
potentially
to
consolidate
and
report
back
information
that
is
being
collected
by
the
different
partners
or
that
you
would
be
tasked
with
developing
an
entire
new
set
of
outcomes
and
that
work
would
fall
on
City
staff.
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
can
speak
to
how
you
interpret
this
and
what
you
would
feel
the
work
would
be.
I
Thanks
chair
through
you,
so
yeah
I
do
think
I
appreciate
the
question.
I
mean
there
is
a
limited
ability,
very
limited
ability
for
this
for
the
city
staff
to
collect
this
type
of
outcome,
information
directly,
so
I
would
say
we
would
be
relying
likely
on
data
that's
collected
by
these
other
parties
and
providing
that
back
to
council.
That
was
what
I
would
see
the
staff
role
is,
you
know
just
kind
of
interpreting
the
motion
as
we
read
it
right
now,.
G
Okay
and
if
I
could
just
follow
up
on
that,
then
just
to
follow
up
a
question
then
do
Staff
feel
that
you
could
do
that
within
this
language,
which
seems
quite
prescriptive
to
me.
Or
do
you
think
it
would
be
clear
for
staff
if
there
was
an
amendment
to
that
effect
that
you
work
to
with
the
partners
to
secure
Health
stats
on
outcomes
and
otherwise,
as
opposed
to
this
pretty
directive
language
around
developing
criteria.
I
G
A
Councilor
Kirby
young.
We
do
need
to
deal
with
the
amendment
to
the
amendment
first.
A
K
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
just
again,
I'm
kind
of
reading
this
part
d
put
forward
by
councilor,
Boyle
and
I
I
must
admit.
I
am
a
little
concerned.
I
100
support
the
the
the
attempt
at
having
accountability
here,
making
sure
that
you
know
that
the
money
is
being
spent
appropriately.
It's
just
that
as
city
manager,
Mercury
indicated
they
are
going
to
be
sort
of
pulling
data
from
these
various
bodies.
K
There's
also
the
line
in
there
and
other
service
provision
Partners.
So
we
don't
really
have
any
clarity
as
to
who
those
other
partners
might
be.
K
It's
a
bit
vague
as
to
what
a
detailed
set
of
evaluation
criteria
and
ongoing
evaluation
plan
would
look
like
again.
I'm
all
for
accountability
and
I
do
want
to
make
absolutely
certain
that
the
investments
into
this
new
programming
will
be
successful
and
achieve
their
goal.
Goals.
I
just
am
a
little
uncomfortable
with
how
how
this
is
framed,
and
it
does
feel
like
we're
going
to
be
requiring
our
city
staff
here
to
be
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
this
reporting
that
otherwise
might
be
spent
on
on
other
objectives.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Classen
see
no
one
else
in
the
queue
to
speak
to
this
amendment,
I'm
now
going
to
call
a
vote
clerk
you've,
just
added
yourself
back,
curb
young
or
Council
Kerber
Young.
Did
you
wish
to
speak
before
the
vote?
Okay,
please
go
ahead.
G
Yeah
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
it's
problematic
I
think
it's
not
the
spirit
of
being
outcomes
focused
it's
the
framing
of
the
amendment
that
is
challenging,
and
so
I
am
inclined
to
vote
against
this
amendment,
but
would
welcome
if
subsequently,
the
Mover
or
another
council
member
might
want
to
bring
forth
another
amendment.
That
speaks
more
to
what
we
heard
from
the
city
manager
about
requesting
that
from
Partners
I'm,
just
conscious
of
where
we
are
at
our
procedural
Quagmire
on
the
Queue
and
so
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
G
I
support
the
outcomes
and
getting
the
information
but
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
amendment,
because
I
think
the
language
is
problematic.
But
if
a
subsequent
one
came
forward,
that
sort
of
addressed
that
point
I
would
be
happy
to
support
that.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
chair.
Can
you
and
the
clerks
just
simply
clarify
for
me
that
we
are
voting
on
the
amendment
to
the
amendment
at
this
time?
Yes,.
A
Queue
we
to
speak
to
the
amendment
we're
now
going
to
call
the
vote
so
we'll
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
Council.
If
you
could
please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel.
A
Okay,
the
motion
carries,
or
the
amendment
carries,
Council
cars
and
opposition
councilor
by
absent
counselor
fry
abstain
and
mayor
Sim
is
absent.
A
Now
we're
back
to
Amendment
q1.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
add
yourself
to
the
queue
counselor
dominato.
Please
go
ahead.
A
Thank
you,
Council
Carr,.
H
Yeah
I
have
no
further
I,
don't
have
any
amendments
to
it,
but
I
just
want
to
re-emphasize
how
important
I
believe
the
reporting
is
and
and
especially
when
you
consider
that,
not
only
how
critical
this
issue
is
and
how
it
this
situation
is
deteriorating
fairly
constantly,
but
also
you
know.
We
really
know
that
this
is
a
collaboration
with
the
provincial
government
and
that
we
do
have
a
new
premier.
There
will
be
another
election
forthcoming.
H
It
could
be
as
long
as
as
three
almost
three
years
from
now,
but
it
could
be
sooner
than
that
I'm
disappointed
that
we
don't
have
six
months
reporting,
because
I
think
the
situation
is
that
critical
that
we
need
to
be
on
top
of
it,
but
I
will
overall
support
of
the
motion
or
the
amendment.
Thank.
A
You
councilor
Boyle.
F
Thanks
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
some
of
the
questions
raised
to
say
the
the
intention
here
is
not
that
we
entirely
recreate
the
wheel,
but
it
is
that
we
coordinate
that
we
not
just
get
different
criteria
from
different
places
and
programs
where
the
metrics
don't
match
each
other,
and
we
have
no
way
of
looking
at
them
relative
to
one
another
which
is
sometimes
what
happens
and
which
doesn't
help
us
I
think
make
informed
decisions
where,
where
these
programs
are
sort
of
operating
on
a
spectrum
to
address
similar
needs,
and
so
the
language
to
have
staff
work
with
these
organizations
and
develop
criteria,
isn't
about
a
massive
new
amount
of
work.
F
F
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Royal,
councilor,
Kirby,
young
yeah,.
G
Yeah
come
and
I'm
here
we're
starting
to
get
alignment
around
the
table
around
the
importance
of
data,
but
getting
it
from
the
appropriate
sources
and
not
sort
of
recreating
the
wheel
or
putting
additional
work
on
City
staff.
So
to
get
us
to
a
positive
outcome.
I
submitted
an
amendment.
If
you
want
to
move
us
to
the
amendment
queue
yeah,
okay,.
A
G
Thanks
thanks,
chair
I'll,
just
speak
to
these
sort
of
simple
changes.
You
can
see
that
I've
struck
out
develop
with
requests
a
detailed
set
of
evaluation
criteria
from
the
partners
and
I've
added
the
word
coordinated
and
ongoing
coordinated
valuation
plan
for
these
efforts
and
I
think
with
those
simple
changes.
I
think
that
we
hopefully
will
have
alignment
in
getting
that
data
and
requesting
that
we're
looking
for
integration,
which,
happily,
we
are
starting
to
see
from
a
number
of
different
partners.
Hey.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor,
Carr,.
H
That's
coordination
is
always
good,
but
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
change
from
develop
to
request,
and
the
reason
is
it's
largely
because
my
experience
on
the
climate
file
and
the
fact
that
in
so
many
cases,
information
about
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
countries,
efforts
to
reduce
those
greenhouse
gas
emissions
has
has
not
been
developed
with
very
clear
criteria
and
reporting
that
allows
and
enables
every
jurisdiction
to
make
the
changes
needed
to
attack
the
crisis,
which
is
now
fully
escalating
because
we
are
not
adjusting
appropriately.
H
A
H
The
information
would
be
there
so,
and
the
agencies
that
are
listed
are
the
ones
that
would
be
able
to
provide.
It
is
a
coordination
effort
on
our
part,
but
I'm
I'm
not
happy
to
see
it.
It's,
in
my
mind,
weakens
the
ability
to
ensure
we
are
going
to
tackle
this
problem
effectively.
F
F
I
can't
quite
understand
what
the
difference
here
is,
except
that
it's
not
clear
in
this
new
wording
who
we're
requesting,
coordinate
that
evaluation
plan
so
to
councilor
cars,
point
I,
guess
it
seems
to
me
that
if
the
city
is
providing
funding,
the
city
has
some
kind
of
coordinating
role
here
and
that
the
original
language
captures
that,
if
we're
concerned
about
the
additional
weight
on
staff
and
and
I
think
we
always
should
be
wondering
about
that.
F
We
are
putting
16
million
dollars
into
something.
So
we
could
fund
coordination
of
the
metrics
somehow
through
that.
That
seems
reasonable.
But
here
it
feels
to
me
like
we're,
requesting
detailed
criteria
from
all
over
that's
useful
to
have
but
unclear
where
the
this
feels
to
me
more
confusing
than
the
original
language,
which
again
is
just
intended
to
say
here.
F
We
are
where
the
funders
we're
looking
at
this
array
of
services,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
coordination
of
the
the
metrics
to
inform
our
funding
decisions
on
all
of
this.
That
that
seems
fine
to
me
and
I.
Think
the
original
language
is
actually
clearer
and
and
certainly
sufficient.
K
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
will
be
supporting
councilor
Kirby
Young's
amendment
I
think
what
it
does
is
it
achieves
the
original
spirit
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
accountability.
Piece
built
into
that
was
performed
put
forward
by
councilor
Boyle's
original
motion.
I
would
also
say
that
it
by
being
less
prescriptive
it,
it
very
likely,
will
be
more
successful
and
sort
of
in
in
hearing
from
what
I
heard,
both
counselors,
Boyle
and
Carr
said
I
feel
like.
K
Sometimes
we
have
to
put
have
some
faith
in
our
partners,
so
we're
going
to
be
talking
to
the
Canadian
Mental
Health
Association
BC
chapter
and
Vancouver
Coastal
Health,
who
work
continuously
with
each
other
The
Vancouver,
Police
Department
is
well
I,
think
that
if
we
ask
them
to
try
and
harmonize
some
of
their
approaches
in
terms
of
information
and
data,
they
will
they
will
deliver
that,
indeed,
without
us
actually
requiring
staff
time
to
go
out
and
create
a
a
framework
for
that.
K
So
I
I
I
think
that
if
we
are
able
to
indicate
this
is
our
goal,
then
let
our
partners
do
that
work
for
us
I
think
we'll
we'll
probably
succeed.
So
for
that
reason,
I'd
like
to
support
the
amendment
to
the
amendment
and
and
again
in
that
Spirit
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
accountability
for
this
funding.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Classen,
seeing
no
one
else
on
the
Queue
to
speak
to
the
amendment
to
the
amendment
I'm
now
going
to
call
a
vote
and
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
Council.
If
you
could,
please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel,
please.
A
The
amendment
to
the
amendment
carries
in
opposition.
We
had
counselor
Carr
and
councilor
Boyle
counselor
Bly
is
absent,
counselor
fry
abstained
and
mayor
Sim
is
absent.
A
A
A
Okay,
see
no
one
else
wanting
to
add
themselves
to
the
queue
it's
now
time
to
vote
on
the
amended
Amendment
clerk.
If
you
could
please
take
us
to
the
voting
panel.
A
D
It
is
counselor.
A
Carr,
so
clerk,
if
you
could,
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
Council.
If
you
could,
please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel,
please.
A
Okay,
the
motion
carries
and
with
counselor
Bly
absent.
A
L
A
We're
going
to
deal
with
the
the
main
motion
as
amended
and
first
speakers,
counselor
Boyle,
counselor
Boyle.
Please
go
ahead
thanks.
F
A
You,
okay,
we're
in
Amendment
Q
one
if
you'd
like
to
speak
to
it
after
councilor
Boyle,
please
out
yourself,
yeah,
please
go
ahead!
Counselor
Boyle.
F
So
this
Second
Amendment
is
to
request
line
item
budgets
from
The
Vancouver,
Police
board
and
I'll
I'll,
just
name
that
actually
the
specific
language
request
here
for
line
item
budgets
for
the
last
five
years
and
all
years
moving
forward
comes
out
of
the
the
ABC
platform
around
a
request
for
the
city
itself
too,
and
seemed
appropriate
to
me
that
the
same
be
requested
of
The
Vancouver
Police
board,
considering
this
increase
in
Investments,
and
certainly
a
public
interest
in
increased
transparency
and
accountability
around
public
expenditures.
F
So
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
Well,
except
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
those
of
us
who
were
here
last
term.
F
Certainly
I
won't
speak
for
Elvis
I
was
conscious
of
how
little
information
about
the
the
police
portion
of
the
city's
larger
budget
we,
as
counselors
had,
and
the
challenges
that
created
when
questions
were
asked
publicly
about
again
a
transparency
and
accountability
of
public
expenses.
It
was
clear
through
the
provincial
intervention
that
we
don't
have
much
say
in
what
amount
is
given
there,
but
I
think
this
request
is
is
appropriate
so
that
at
least
that
we
have
that
information.
The
public
has
that
information
I'll
leave
it
there.
G
Yeah
thanks
chair,
providing
comment
on
the
amendment
I'm
actually
happy
to
support
this
amendment.
I
think
that
that
a
commitment
to
transparency
is
important.
I
would
also
note
that
the
auditor
general
had
identified
on
their
work
plan
that
an
audit
for
VPD
in
terms
of
outcomes
and
efficiency
was
part
of
the
plan
and
I
think
that
we
saw
that
commitment
through
the
establishment
of
the
auditor,
general
and
sort
of
broad
Council
support
for
that.
G
So
I'm
happy
to
see
it
I'm
hopeful
that
this
Spirit
of
transparency
will
transfer
over
to
the
city's
own
budgeting
process,
because
I
recall
a
number
of
us
requesting
and
asking
for
line
item
budgets
for
a
number
of
departments
that
also
have
a
significant
spend
in
the
1.8,
almost
1.9
billion
dollar
budget
and
other
council
members,
not
supporting
that
in
terms
of
accountability.
So
I
certainly
hope
that
we
would
apply
a
consistent
and
Equitable
lens
across
all
of
our
key
departments
and
expenditures.
G
Whether
it's
large
projects
in
engineering,
Arts,
culture
and
Community,
Services
I
think
we
all
want
to
ensure
that
all
of
our
taxpayer
dollars
are
spent
well
and
effectively
and
efficiently.
So
I
am
hopeful
that
we
will
see
that
same
line
of
sight
and
detail
into
other
departments,
because
I
certainly
do
not
feel
as
a
counselor
that
I
have
been
able
to
have
that
and
we
have
had
to
make
a
number
of
budget
choices
based
on
not
having
that
line
of
sight.
So
this
you
know
as
I
put
it.
G
This
sort
of
increased
and
ongoing
commitment
to
transparency
is
I,
think
a
wonderful
and
magical
thing
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
being
able
to
better
understand
what
the
outcomes
are
across.
A
number
of
our
different
Investments
at
the
city
of
Vancouver,
so
I
will
happily
support
this
amendment.
Thank
you.
E
Yeah
I
can
keep
it
pretty
quick,
I
think
at
a
bare
minimum.
This
is
totally
essential,
especially
given
the
sort
of
discrepancies
we've
seen
in
the
numbers
so
far,
ranging
from
whatever
was
3.5
billion
to
now,
8
million
and
then
15.7.
So
I
think
that
these
are
part
of
a
larger
conversation
that
needs
to
happen,
and
it's
definitely
germane
to
this
particular
motion
that
we're
having
before
us
that
we
continue
to
do
that.
Work.
A
Thank
you.
Excuse
me
see
no
one
else
on
the
Queue
to
speak
to
this
amendment
I'm
now
going
to
call
a
vote.
Yes,
Council
Classen.
Let
me
turn
your
mic
on.
K
I
am
I'm,
definitely
testing
my
procedural
muscles
here
that
I
am
still
learning
how
to
use
I
am
I.
Am
would
like
to
get
a
clarification
on
this.
Are
we
talking
with
regards
to
this
motion?
Are
we
talking
the
entire
VPD
budget
for
a
line
item,
or
are
we
talking
about
this
particular
spending
associated
with
the
the
100
higher.
F
Yes,
I'm
happy
to
the
the
intention
was
to
request
for
the
full
budget.
I
I
understand.
There
are
some
portions
that
might
be
subject
to
some
kind
of
operational
considerations
that
mean
they
can't
be
public,
but
otherwise.
Yes,
the
the
intention
was
the
whole
budget.
Thanks.
A
Oh,
and
do
you
mind
yourself
at
batting
yourself
to
the
queue?
Apologies
that'd
be
great:
okay,.
K
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
again
I'm.
We,
it
seems
to
me
that
we
have
shifted
here
and
again
as
somebody
who's
a
strong
proponent
of
accountability,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
went
from
talking
about
funding
related
to
the
100
police,
hires
and
100
nurses,
to
looking
at
the
entirety
of
the
BPD
budget.
Is
it
feels
like
it?
K
It's
been
sort
of
tacked
on
to
the
discussion
here
and
again,
I
think
we
have
pledged,
during
our
ABC
campaign
and
our
platform,
to
see
full
line
item
budgets
going
back
for
the
last
five
years
for
for
City
spending,
which
would
include
VPD
spending.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
is
separate
business
but
I
again,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
focused
on
accountability.
I
just
wanted
just
be
clear
on
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Counselor
Classen
see
no
one
else
on
the
Queue
to
speak
to
this
amendment,
I'm
now
going
to
call
the
vote
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
Council.
If
you
could
please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel.
G
That's
a
point
of
procedure:
yes,
and
perhaps
the
clerks
can
confirm
I
believe
it's
not
necessary
to
report
who's
absent.
Just
oh.
A
A
A
Hey
thanks
for
your
patience,
we're
now
back
in
the
main
motion
as
amended,
and
we
have
a
some
counselors
who'd
wish
to
speak.
Counselor
Boyle.
Please
go
ahead.
F
A
E
Thank
you
chair.
Sorry,
I
was
a
little
underprepared.
There.
I
have
submitted
an
amendment
to
the
clerk
and
I'm
just
trying
to
pull
that
up.
Oh
and
look
the
clerk
was
way
ahead
of
me,
so
yeah
I
had
to
revise
this
from
the
earlier
one
given
councilor
dominato's
earlier
motions
or
amendments.
Sorry-
and
really
this
is
a
reflection
of
some
of
what
we
heard
and
I
and
I
think
it's
been
kind
of
critically
underserved
in
a
lot
of
this
work
that
we
haven't
delved
enough
into
some
of
the
expert
advice.
E
We
got
from
people
like
Stacey,
Ashton
Ashton
at
the
BC
crisis
center,
and
she
had
had
a
great
presentation
this
morning
on
on
Stephen
Quinn
that
really
really
dove
into
where
we
need
to
react.
We've
definitely
kind
of
framed
this
as
the
policing
side
of
mental
health
intervention,
but
we
haven't
really
talked
about
non-policing,
Crisis,
Intervention
and
I.
E
Think
that
really
specifically
naming
what
what
what
Stacy
Ashton
was
talking
about,
which
is
you
know,
really
the
intention
and
the
interest
and
I
I
hope
one,
that's
shared
by
everyone
at
this
council
chambers
to
divert
people
in
Mental
Health
crisis
from
necessarily
police
and
psychiatric
intervention.
E
So
really,
first
and
foremost,
writing
calls
Wellness
checks
through
a
crisis
lines
and
lens
in
order
to
de-escalate
and
resolve
the
crisis,
then,
secondly,
dispatching
a
non-police
Christ
crisis,
mobile
response
team
and
then,
thirdly,
providing
crisis
respite
facilities,
which
could
be
as
simple
as
someplace
just
for
somebody
to
chill
out,
rather
than
taking
them
to
a
hospital
or
or
and
further
traumatizing
them,
when
in
many
of
these
cases,
will
find
that
police
who
were
brought
in
by
the
folks
were
brought
in
by
the
police
aren't
actually
detainable
under
the
psychiatric
act
and
then
they
they
end
up
just
being
traumatized
and
so
where
we
can
start
to
move
towards
an
actual
kind
of
human
intervention
that
doesn't
involve
necessarily
policing,
Crisis,
Intervention
and
de-escalation,
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
a
lot
around.
E
A
Thank
you,
councilor
fry
I'm,
now
going
to
move
us
to
the
amendment
queue.
Should
you
wish
to
speak
to
this
amendment?
Please
add
yourself
to
the
queue
counselor
Carr.
Please
go
ahead.
Yeah.
H
Thank
you,
councilor
fry
for
tabling
this
I.
Think
a
number
of
us
actually
during
the
election
were
invited
to
to
get
more
fully
explore
the
kinds
of
services
that
are
being
provided
by
crisis
lines,
for
example,
where
de-escalation
takes
place
prior
to
any
kind
of
calls
being
even
done.
H
H
So
you
know
that
the
the
crisis
lines
I
think
are
the
are
number
one
I
can't
remember
for
the
data,
but
it
was
pretty
compelling
in
terms
of
the
vast
majority
of
those
calls
do
successfully
de-escalate
the
situation,
thus
not
requiring
a
car,
87
or
car
88
or
any
of
the
other
kinds
of
you
know
more
elaborate
responses
and
that
we
also
heard
that
that
there
are
many
people
who,
if
faced
with
a
police
officer,
arriving
and
they
are
in
a
in
a
mental
health
crisis
moment
at
that
time,
they
may
have
had
experiences
in
their
lives
that
lead
them
to
react,
that
much
more
negatively
to
that.
H
So
the
provision,
first
and
foremost,
of
of
nurses,
Healthcare
professionals
trained
to
de-escalate
the
situation
that
do
not
involve
triggering
a
person
in
terms
of
a
negative
response
or
a
fearful
response
is,
is
far
more
successful
as
well
so
and
the
respite
facilities,
of
course,
are
absolutely
critical
because
there's
ongoing
care
there.
So
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
thoughtful
approach
that
we
have
learned
as
counselors
from
the
professionals
who
are
involved
in
delivering
these
Services
really
work.
So
thanks,
counselor
fry
for
putting
this
forward.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr,
for
your
comments.
Counselor
dominato.
C
Happy
we're
all
motion
and
other
amendments
and
I
think
what
I'll
I'll
try
to
speak
to
I
spoke
to
a
little
bit
last
week.
Is
the
Continuum
of
Care
that's
necessary,
and
not
only
at
the
city
level,
but
at
the
provincial
level,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
there's
a
lot
of
trying
to
make
things
black
and
white
in
terms
of
police,
sled
or
civilian
lead.
C
This
very
much
aligns
and
I
did
actually
have
the
pleasure
of
joining
a
number
of
counselors
at
the
crisis
center
over
the
course
of
the
election,
to
learn
more
about
the
crisis
lines
and
how
they're
de-escalating
and
they're
able
to
help
people
over
the
phone
and
it
works
well
and
it's
effective.
They
want
to
ramp
up.
They
want
to
do
more,
they've
been
engaging,
The
Province,
those
conversations,
just
as
the
CMHA
has
been
doing
around
the
peer
assisted
care
teams,
but
I
think
we
need
to
recognize.
C
There
are
other
times
when
de-escalation
of
the
phone
is
not
going
to
work,
and
so
you
need
a
range
and
a
measure
of
options
and
teams
and
services
and
programs
in
place
to
support
people,
and
so
for
me,
that's
what's
really
important,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
a
non-partisan
issue
and
I
say
that
from
a
place
of
when
it
comes
to,
for
example,
the
peer
assisted
care
teams,
I
met
with
members
of
the
NDP
provincial
government
around
that
program,
I
met
with
members
of
obesity,
liberal
caucus,
I
met
with
the
leader
of
the
green
party,
I
met
with
Metro
Mayors,
and
everyone
agrees.
C
We
have
a
crisis
on
our
hands
and
we
need
to
deal
with
it.
We're
trying
to
take
steps
here
at
the
local
level,
but
I
want
to
ensure
that
we
focus
on
that.
We
have
people
in
distress
in
our
communities.
In
our
neighborhoods
and
we're
all
trying
to
work
together,
but
it
is
a
Continuum
and
it
must
be
team
based
and
if
we
don't
have
teams
and
we
actually
will
risk
dropping
the
ball.
I
saw
this
happen
in
the
education
sector,
with
youth
at
risk
and
so
I
I
support.
C
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Kirby,
Young,.
G
Yeah
thanks
this
kind
of
takes
me
back
because
I
might
be
other
counselors
good,
correct
me,
but
I
might
be
one
of
the
only
folks
around
this
table
who
actually
volunteered
at
the
crisis
center
and
answered
the
calls
on
those
on
those
lines
which
a
lot
of
psychology
students
did
back
in
the
day,
and
you
would
do
your
overnight
shifts,
which
were
usually
when
you
thought
a
lot
of
the
most
problematic
calls
people
calling
him
with
Suicidal
Tendencies,
and
we
had
really
clear
criteria
and
protocol
around
how
and
when
you
dispatched
police-
and
it
was
typically
if
there
was
someone-
was
going
to
do
significant
harm
to
themselves
or
to
another
person,
and
so
I
do
think
that
those
protocols
exist
when
you're
potentially
dealing
with
a
threat
of
violence
to
someone
else,
because
sometimes
it
would
be
an
individual.
G
That
would
call
you,
for
example,
in
a
domestic
violence
situation,
and
it
wasn't
always,
interestingly,
the
person
who
was
being
harmed.
Sometimes
it
was
the
person
doing
the
harming.
That
would
call
for
an
intervention
because
they
wanted
to
talk
down
and
sometimes
times
were
actually
successful,
and
that
was
a
pretty
scary
thing
to
do
to
be,
on
the
other
end
of
that
phone
line
and
be
tasked
with
that.
But
I
am
confident
this
protocols
in
place.
G
That
said,
I
think
it's
really
important,
that
we
remain
open
to
exploring
new
models,
we're
seeing
it
with
pact
coming
on
board
and,
like
it
appearances
to
care
teams
and
I,
think
we
want
to
continue
to
look
at
how
we
can
support
the
valuable
service
that
augments
that
ultimate
response
right
when
there
isn't
an
alternative
or
when
you
have
in
the
case
of
a
lot
of
the
police,
calls
some
you
know,
sort
of
oftentimes
a
quarter
or
a
mental
health
calls
might
actually
be
a
mental
health
professional.
G
That's
calling
for
help
to
be
accompanied
and
so
I
just
think.
We
need
to
acknowledge
this
to
Continuum
here,
but
I
am
a
huge
proponent
of
looking
for
positive
intervention
opportunities
and
I.
Think
that
a
lot
of
it
will
be
in
determining
those
protocols
as
to
how
and
when
you
can
deploy
the
alternative
response
and
how
and
when
you
need
to
have
a
traditional
response,
because
you
really
do
have
that
life-threatening,
potentially
a
situation,
but
I
think
we
do
want
to
be
open
to
models
and
so
I'm
happy
to
support
it.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair
really
brief
remarks.
I
intend
to
support
councilor
Fry's
motion,
which
I
think
is
very
much
in
the
spirit
of
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
here
today,
as
councilor
dominado
described.
We
are
in
a
a
crisis
situation
in
terms
of
some
of
the
challenges
on
the
street.
We've
put
forward
some
ideas
here
to
try
and
to
make
a
difference
and
I
think
that
this
is
very
much
aligned
with
where
we
would
like
to
go
with
this.
K
A
You
thank
you.
Councilor
Classen
see
no
one
else
on
the
Queue
to
speak
to
this
amendment
I'm
now
going
to
call
a
vote
and
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
Council.
If
you
could
please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel.
A
E
Oh
yeah,
that's
it
for
amendments
for
me!
I'll
just
wait
it
out
and
maybe
come
back
in
on
closing.
Okay.
A
Sounds
good
counselor,
Classen.
A
D
C
Okay,
okay,
fantastic
I'll,
just
offer
some
closing
comments
with
respect
to
this
motion.
I
I
probably
said
a
lot
just
a
few
minutes
ago.
So
I
don't
want
to
repeat,
but
for
me
and
I
know
for
my
colleagues
that
ran
together
in
ABC
Vancouver.
C
We
heard
very
clearly,
as
I
said,
urgency
earlier,
demanded
by
residents
demanded
by
neighborhoods
to
come
up
with
a
framework
to
respond
and
the
motion
I
brought
forward
last
week,
certainly
Builds
on
that
in
terms
of
the
100
100
mental
health,
nurses
and
the
100
police
officers,
and
with
the
timing
of
the
provincial
announcement
on
Sunday,
the
the
premiers
announced
was
around
safer
communities
initiative
and
it
seemed
to
make
sense
to
build
in
some
of
the
other
pieces
that
we
had
committed
to
in
our
platform,
which
I
as
I
referenced
earlier
and
made
the
amendment
around
the
pure
assisted
care
teams
and
and
I
didn't
know
at
the
time
that
they'd
be
deploying
12
teams
and
funding
12
teams.
C
But
this
has
been
a
passion
project
for
me
as
well,
is
to
see
this
complementary
program
to
go
alongside
with
the
existing
cardi,
788
aotna
enact
teams,
and
so
I'm
really
pleased
that
that
has
been
supported
by
Council
and
I.
Think
targeting
back
to
my
points
earlier
around
this
being
a
non-partisan
issue.
C
What
I
hear
from
the
public
of
all
walks
of
life
all
over
the
city
is
compassion
and
that
they
see
people
in
distress
and
they
want
to
help.
They
don't
know
how
they're
looking
to
all
levels
of
government
to
unite
and
to
collaborate
on
these
very
complex
issues
and
I.
C
And
but
my
experience
has
been
that
team-based
initiatives
where
you
have
open
dialogue,
clear
communication
roles
and
responsibilities,
around
response
lifts
people
up
into
and
you
mitigate
the
risk
of
people
falling
through
the
the
cracks
and
I
do
think
we
have
that
circumstance
right
now
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
I
won't
have
enough
time
to
cover
in
my
last
couple
of
minutes
here,
but
I
will
close
simply
by
saying
that
I
think
this
is
incredibly
important
work
and
clearly
it
aligns
with
the
province.
C
Premier
Evie
was
very
clear
that
we
cannot
afford
to
do
nothing.
We
cannot
afford
to
wait
or
delay
and
in
fact,
his
comments
at
Sunday's
press
conference
very
much
reinforced
that
we're
on
the
right
track
with
these
initiatives
that
are
being
brought
forward
to
council
today
and
deliberated
on
and
and
so
I
see,
a
great
alignment
there
and
I
was
honored
to
bring
this
forward
on
behalf
of
our
team.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
dominado,
just
looking
at
the
time
here,
I'd
like
to
move
a
motion
to
extend
this
item
and
then
take
a
dinner
break
after
oh
okay,
apologies
I'd
like
to
ask
someone
to
do
that.
That'd
be
a
great
counselor
car.
D
G
I'm
wondering
if
there's
the
will
of
council
knowing
we
have
one
other
item
after
that,
if
there's
a
will
to
not
take
a
break
and
then
to
move
to
complete
the
business
as
opposed
to
just
this
item,.
G
If
so
and
I'm
seeing
some
smiling
faces,
I
would
like
to
I
don't
know
if
counselor
would
like
to
do
it
or
I'd
like
to
amend
Council
cars
motion
that
we
move
to
complete
the
business
yeah.
A
We
can
do
that
complete
the
business,
so
you're
moving
to
motion
to
complete
all
of
the
business
yeah.
A
A
Thanks
counselor
Carr:
let's
keep
it
simple.
Okay,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
completing
the
business
today
say
yay.
A
Okay,
we're
now
going
to
continue
on
the
main
queue
here
and
next
up
is
counselor,
Boyle,
counselor
Boyle.
Please
go
ahead.
F
Thanks
first
I'm
hoping
that
the
clerks
can
circulate
a
copy
of
the
full
amended
motion
to
us
before
we
vote
I'm,
hoping
to
sever
out
for
a
b
and
c
for
a
separate
vote.
But
maybe
I'll
clarify
that
once
I
take
a
look
at
what
was
just
circulated.
So
give
me
a
moment
on
that.
I
will
yeah
happy
to
have
a
b
and
c
separated
all
together
and
then
the
rest.
F
Unless
there's
more
detailed
severing
someone
else
requests
I
am
very
happy
to
support
the
portions
of
this
motion
that
look
to
funding
packed
teams.
F
F
The
lack
of
detail
and
information
that
was
before
Council
originally
and
then
the
many
updates
and
changes
I
recognize,
of
course,
that
the
provincial
announcement
has
changed
a
little
and
we're
all
adapting
but
but
I
feel
I've
received
very
little
detail
and
information
to
be
making
these
decisions
and
I
hope
moving
forward.
That
that's
not
the
case.
F
It's
not
clear
to
me
if
that
information
existed
somewhere
else
and
and
I
wasn't
privy
to
it
or
if,
if
we're
all
operating
on
the
fly
a
bit,
but
particularly
in
allocating
this
amount
of
money,
though
really
in
any
decision
I
hope
we
will
see
more
information
shared
with
more
advanced
notice,
so
we
can
be
making
informed
decisions
of
this
nature
and
and
again
this
the
process
we've
gone
through
this
time,
I
feel
was,
was
very
lacking
on
that
front.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Boyle,
councilor,
Montague,.
L
L
Obviously,
the
support
for
peer,
assisted
care
crisis
lines,
respite
facilities,
non-police
responses,
Etc
all
super
important,
all
things
that
that
I
too
support
you
know,
obviously
there's
some
clear
opposition
around
the
police.
I
do
believe,
there's
a
real
misunderstanding
when
it
comes
to
of
what
mental
health
calls
the
police
are
actually
going
to,
why
they're
going
to
them
and
what
happens
at
those
calls.
L
I
think
there
is
a
real
lack
of
understanding
there.
This
thought
of
supporting
everything,
but
the
police
aspect
is,
is
a
real
problem
for
me.
Obviously,
I
think
it's
turning
a
blind
eye
to
the
overall
issue
and
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
facts
that
are
in
front
of
us
in
a
lot
of
these
cases.
L
The
facts
are
that
13
000
to
14
000
calls
are
taken
or
are
sent
to
the
VPD.
That
involves
some
sort
of
mental
health
component
84
of
those.
So
a
very
large
aspect
of
those
are
they
involve.
You
know
some
sort
of
harm
or
danger:
they
necessitate
a
police
response.
There's
victimization,
there's
criminal
code,
offenses
statutory
requirements
around
things
like
Mental
Health
apprehensions,
26
of
those
calls
that
police
get
so
26
percent
of
14
000
calls
it's
about.
10
10
calls
every
day
are
actually
from
Healthcare
professionals.
L
There's
all
kinds
of
of
media
stories
that
talk
about
this,
but
that's
a
huge
number
26
of
all
mental
health
calls
the
police
go
to
come
from
Healthcare
professionals.
12
of
those
involve
weapons
like
it
or
not.
Police
need
to
be
part
of
this
solution.
L
The
motion
that
councilor
dominato
is
proposing
is
aimed,
at
being
part
of
a
plan
to
reduce
a
person's
involvement
with
the
criminal
justice
system,
reduce
their
involvement
with
law
enforcement,
emergency
Health,
Services,
providing
proactive
and
reactive
responses,
peer,
assisted
care
for
common
interventions.
100
mental
health
nurses,
supported
by
police
officers
to
deal
with
those
high
risk
interventions,
those
26
percent,
the
12
with
weapons.
Those
types
of
calls
act
in
aot
for
interventions
in
between
things
that
either
peer
assisted
care
are
not
suitable
for
or
that
police
officers
shouldn't
be
attending
I.
L
Think,
in
order
to
solve
a
problem,
we
have
to
come
at
it
from
all
different
angles.
This
is
a
collaborative
approach
and
I
think
it's
the
right
direction
and
it's
supported
by
the
provincial
government,
as
we've
all
heard
and
I'll
be
supporting
it.
Thank
you,
chair.
H
Yes,
thanks,
chair
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
have
an
escalating
crisis
in
the
city,
especially
in
the
downtown
east
side,
but
it
is
city-wide
and
it's
related
to
mental
health
and
addictions.
Primarily,
this
bill
is
over,
however,
into
homelessness
and
public
safety
issues,
and
it's
something
that
we
need
to
tackle
as
a
city
and
and
it's
without
our
tackling
it.
It
is
only
going
to.
H
It's
happening
in
fact
all
up
and
down
the
coast
of
North,
America
and
in
other
places,
but
that
doesn't
that
that
means
that
all
of
us
have
to
be
tackling
it.
We
should
learn
from
each
other
as
well,
what
what's
really
working?
H
What
what
does
work
and
what
we've
seen
has
worked
very
effectively
is
where
we
have
responses
to
a
a
particular
crisis
that
involves
the
professionals
who
are
most
able
to
deal
effectively
with
that
moment
of
Crisis,
and
that
does
mean
having
people
who
have
the
experience
in
mental
health
and
addictions
in
particular,
and
it
does
mean
that
there
are
very
important
times
when
Public,
Safety
or
personal
safety
is
at
risk
when
the
police
need
to
be
attending
as
well.
H
So
it's
a
partnership
out
there
and
and
I
think
the
programs
that
we've
seen
really
prove
successful
are
the
ones
that
are
mentioned
in
this
motion.
I
do
also
support
more
dollars
being
spent
on
this.
You
can't
solve
crises
without
investing
in
the
in
the
the
personnel
and
the
programs
and
initiatives
that
are
having
the
positive
impact
in
addressing
the
crises.
H
Oh
sorry,
one
last
point
on
the
positive
note:
I
am
very
happy
to
hear
Premier
Ebie,
The
Province,
step
forward
to
say
they
too
recognize
this
crisis
and
are
willing
to
invest
in
Solutions.
I.
Think
that
that
the
Partnerships
are
the
key
thing.
Work
led
by
the
Health
Care
Professionals
is
is
is
predominant,
but
it
is
a
partnership
with
the
with
the
vbt.
H
My
big
concern
with
this
motion
is
that
the
numbers
that
are
being
cited
in
terms
of
how
much
needs
to
get
incorporated
into
our
next
budget
have
been
escalating.
Over
the
last
week,
I
I'm
unclear
as
to
why
the
original
numbers
were
not
the
right
numbers.
What
has
made
them
change?
Are
there
still
more
changes
that
will
be
needed?
What
impact
is
that
going
to
have
on
the
city
and
other
programs
that
we
must
fund
I'm
hopeful
that
the
counselor
sitting
around
this
table?
H
Who
vote
for
this
are
going
to
be
willing
to
have
an
increase
to
our
budget?
Not
just
a
let's
fund
this
but
cut
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things
approach
when
it
comes
to
time
to
dealing
with
with
the
city's
budget
and
so
on.
On
that
I'm
I'm
also
going
to
be
supporting
or
asking
for
severing
of
some
sections
of
this
motion
and
I'll
be
able
to
tell
when
I
see
the
final
Motion
in
front
of
us.
J
Okay,
thanks
thanks
chairs,
so
I
think
this
is
a
motion
we
have
been
with
you
too
long.
You
know
we
can't
afford
the
public
safety
keep
getting
worse,
the
cost
of
the
small
business
they
replace
their
window
broken
window.
The
cost
of
the
victim
went
to
Health,
Care
System,
get
treatment
to
hear
from
their
family
and
the
friends
and
the
level
of
concerns
and
unfairs
the
family
doesn't
want
to
work
at
night
in
their
neighborhood,
including
my
wife,
with
my
baby.
J
All
days
are
not
even
quantifiable,
so
of
course
we
should
use
empathetic
and
non-judgmental
approach.
This
is
the
motion,
provided
us
the
opportunity
for
us
to
evaluate
this
methodology
within
one
year
and
using
that
empathetic
and
non-judgmental
approach.
You
know
I
also
understand.
There
are
different
opinions
against
police.
J
You
know
which
would
establish
a
system
and
bring
more
transparency
and
accountability.
Hold
them
accountable
so,
but
not
like,
spread
out
the
misinformation
and
spread
out
the
Hedge
and
that's
exactly
what
we
would
like
to
do,
and
if
is
this,
the
only
solution,
of
course
not
there's
this
only
one
solution
to
such
a
very
complex
issue,
but
that's
a
very
good
first
step
so
because
of
the
other
victims
in
the
past
or
the
potential
victims.
If
we
do
not
pass
this
motion,
I'm
gonna
vote
support.
E
Chair
well,
I
will
be
seeking
to
sever
out
I
think
it's
a
b
and
c
in
the
in
the
final
vote:
good
debate,
a
hundred
police
officers,
100
mental
health
nurses,
they're
nice
round
numbers,
but
there's
little
by
the
way
of
sort
of
cogent
budgeting
in
here,
and
what
this
is
going
to
mean
for
our
overall
budget,
and
that
leaves
me
a
bit
nervous.
E
You
know
we
we
see
from
the
the
police
2023
budget
that
just
came
out
that
they're,
estimating
these
new
VPD
hires
in
the
in
that
2023
budget,
inclusive
of
the
100
officers
and
20
new
civilian
staff
will
be
15.7
million
dollars,
which
is
a
far
cry
from
the
3.5
million
that
was
originally
proposed,
or
the
subsequent
8
million,
as
amended.
E
So
I,
don't
know
where
that
money
is
coming
from
and
what
that's
going
to
mean
for
our
budget
here
at
the
city
of
Vancouver
and
that's
part
of
a
38
million
and
a
half
dollar
VPD
budget
ask
for
2023..
So
we've
kind
of
setting
a
stage
here
for
what
it
looks
to
me
like
a
little
bit
of
a
blank
check
approach,
we're
literally
formally
advising
council's
intention
to
make
funding
available
to
The
Vancouver
Police
Board
of
VCH
to
enable
the
requisitioning
and
hiring
of
100
new
police
officers
and
100
mental
health.
E
There's
no
doubt
that
the
police
bear
the
brunt
of
this
work.
But
with
that
said,
we
haven't
ever
really
seen
any
alternatives.
So
the
police
are
doing
this
work.
There
hasn't
been
those
interventions,
and-
and
this
is
a
moment
for
us
to
sort
of
talk
about
what
those
interventions
could
look
like
and
I
really
do
appreciate
a
the
support
for
my
Amendment
earlier.
E
But
really
the
folks
who
came
in
talked
about
really
how
important
it
is
to
have
a
non-policing
Intervention
when
somebody's
a
mental
health
crisis
and
what
that
can
exacerbate
and
what
it.
What
what
these
options
like
a
respite
place
for
folks
who
are
in
crisis.
So
I
really
really
think
that
that's
something
that
that
can
help
really
weed
out
some
of
the
more
predatory
elements
from
some
of
the
folks
who
are
just
struggling
and
really
having
a
hard
time
with
everything
from
covid
to
homelessness,
to
to
Poverty
to
toxic
drugs.
E
You
know
we
heard
some
real
Direction
from
the
premier
about
intervention
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
in
particular
stuff
that
isn't
touched
here,
but
some
of
the
pieces
around
the
pre-trial
custody
and
approach
to
bail
and
repeat
violent
offenders,
an
indigenous
Justice
centers
and
mental
health
and
Addiction
Services
and
treatment,
Mental,
Health
crisis
teams
and
specifically
and
I,
want
to
read
from
what
they
they
describe
in
the
in
the
in
the
provincial
press:
release
expanding
Mental,
Health
crisis
response
teams
into
more
communities,
so
that
police
can
focus
on
crime
and
people
in
crisis
are
met
early
on
by
health
care
workers
and
community
members,
and
so
I
think
that
speaks
to
the
importance
of
that
sort
of
packed
team
approach.
E
The
kind
of
Crisis
Intervention,
but
you
know
I
I,
still
come
back
to
the
numbers.
Right
I
heard
three
million
dollars
from
The
Province
to
address
mental
health
interventions
across
the
province.
We
don't
know
where
the
funding
is
going
to
come
from
for
Vancouver
and
what
100
mental
health
nurses
is
going
to
look
like
for
Vancouver
who's,
paying
their
big
unknowns
and
I
worry
about
how
our
budget's
going
to
be
affected
by
this.
E
What
it's
going
to
mean
to
other
services
that
vancouverites
rely
on
across
our
city,
that
we
pay
for
and
I'm
hopeful
that
that,
as
we
move
forward,
we're
not
we're
not
stripping
out
valuable
services
for
the
city
of
Vancouver.
In
order
to
pay
for
these
commitments,
and
this
sort
of
blank
check
that
we're
writing
for
for
100,
new
police
officers
and
100
new
mental
health
officers
or
mental
health
supporters
without
any
any
kind
of
Reckoning
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
so
yeah,
so
I
will
be
moving
for
the
server
of
ABC.
A
Know
you
know,
please
don't
physically
sever
me
I
feel,
like
I've
been
severed
today
already
so
counselor
fry.
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
Counselor
Classen.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair
councilor,
Montague
earlier
on
spoke
to
the
policing
aspect
of
this,
so
I'd
like
to
book
and
my
comments
around
the
nursing
piece.
K
So
many
of
you
know
that
I've
been
working
in
the
seniors
health
sector
for
the
last
many
years
and
the
principal
role
that
I've
had
is
to
Advocate
around
Staffing
shortages
that
have
resulted
from
not
enough
nurses,
not
enough
health
care
workers,
and
that
work
has
brought
me
into
meetings
with
cabinet
ministers,
both
federally
and
provincially,
with
multiple
staff
agencies
like
the
BC
nurses,
Union,
the
BC
College
of
nurses
and
midwives,
and
we
are
all
unified
in
the
idea
that
we
need
to
really
sort
of
pull
out
all
the
stops
to
make
sure
that
we
can
grow
and
sustain
our
health
care
sector
and
and
and
particularly
nurses,
which
are
always
in
high
demand.
K
This
idea
this
proposal
that
our
campaign
put
out
a
few
months
ago
it
obviously
caught
on,
and
when
we
talked
to
people
on
the
doors,
there
were
a
lot
of
people
who
are
very
excited
about
this
idea,
but
there
were
I
think
some
important
questions.
Why
is
the
city
moving
into
this?
Why
are
we
doing
this,
and
so
there
has
been
some
skepticism
about.
You
know:
where
are
you
going
to
find
these
nurses?
Well?
K
The
fact
is
is
that
there
is
a
lot
of
agencies
that
are
working
very
hard
to
try
and
build
the
ranks
of
healthcare
workers
right
now.
Well,
we've
got
immigration
changes.
K
We've
got
the
provincial
government
that
has
been
making
a
number
of
changes
to
cover
the
cost
of
bursaries,
to
allow
nurses
to
train
and
Ladder
up
through
their
careers,
there's
an
enormous
amount
of
initiative
and
inertia
around
trying
to
grow
our
health
care
System,
including
Mr
Sean
Fraser
from
immigration
and
federally
announcing
that
they
were
going
to
ramp
up
to
1.5
million
new
immigrants
at
record
levels
and
with
a
big
focus
on
health
care
workers.
K
K
I
grew
up
in
the
household
of
a
nurse,
and
nurses
are
very
special
people
and-
and
we
are
going
to
be
going
to
have
to
work
very
hard
to
attract
and
and
woo
people
to
come
and
work
in
this
work,
because
it's
going
to
be
hard
work,
it's
going
to
be
meaningful
but
very
hard
work
dealing
with
people
who
are
in
distress,
but
if
we
can
create
the
right
culture
in
our
workplace
here
make
the
conditions
inviting
make
sure
that
people
are
safe
when
they're
doing
their
work
as
well
as
feeling
very
supported,
then
we
will
succeed.
K
This
is
an
extraordinary
engineering
move
for
a
local
government
to
be
moving
into
this
area.
It's
because
it's
an
extraordinary
time,
as
Premier
EB
said
himself
he's
never
seen
the
downtown
east
side,
so
bad
I
think
we
see
across
the
city.
This
is
not
something
that's
localized
to
the
few
blocks
of
the
downtown
east
side.
We've
got
challenges
in
every
part
of
our
community
and
right
across
the
Metropolitan
region.
K
So
I
think
we've
taken
a
very
strong
and
bold
step
here,
but
I
think
it
was
it's
one,
that's
very
much
needed
for
our
times
in
the
situation
that
we're
in
right
now,
so
obviously
I
will
be
supporting
this
motion,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
everybody
for
I.
Think
a
very
interesting
and
exciting
debate
debate
about
this
about
this
plan.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
Yeah
thanks
chair
I
will
be
brief
and
just
say
that
you
cannot
put
a
price
on
public
safety
and
you
cannot
put
a
price
on
mental
health
and
wellness,
and
we
cannot
afford
not
to
do
this
and
I
think
that
Premier
EB
expressed
the
same
sentiment
when
he
made
his
announcements.
G
I
also
think
that
it
is
an
incredibly
it's
an
incredible
inflection
point
in
our
city,
where
we
can
stand
up
and
take
action
and
again
I
talked
about
quibbling
over
the
budget.
But
I
go
back
to
my
point.
We
can't
afford
not
to
do
it,
because
we
are
failing
people,
we
have
people
that
are
falling
through
the
cracks
and
that's
what
I
really
like
about.
Looking
at
the
description
of
the
assertive
Community
treatment
teams
and
the
Outreach
teams.
G
These
are
proactive
programs
that
Identify
some
of
the
highest
risk
highest
need
individuals
to
help
them
stabilize,
for
example,
when
they
are
coming
into
housing
or
coming
out
of
situations
or
they're
in
that
housing
that
they
can
stay
in
it.
They
provide
vocational
Services.
They
are
teams
with
nurses,
social
workers,
vocational
support,
so
that,
ideally
and
I
think
we're
seeing
it
in
terms
of
some
of
the
stats
that
have
been
presented.
G
You
are
diminishing
the
demands
and
the
revolving
door
phenomenon,
where
you
have
the
same
individuals,
for
example,
that
are
coming
into
Saint
Paul's
every
day,
and
that
is
demoralizing.
That
puts
a
huge
pressure
on
the
Health
Care
system
and
that
is
really
demoralizing
for
people,
whether
it's
the
police
officer
or
the
social
worker
who
is
having
to
deal
each
time
with
the
same
folks,
sometimes
in
the
same
day,
and
that's
I,
think
really
significant
and
important.
G
To
mention-
and
it's
I
can't
count
the
number
of
times
in
the
lead
up
to
this
last
election,
that
people
said
that
they
felt
either
unsafe
in
their
neighborhoods.
Vancouver
didn't
feel
like
Vancouver
anymore,
that
we
are
at
a
Tipping
Point.
Something
needed
to
be
done,
and
this
is
what
action
looks
like
guys,
and
it's
about
stepping
up,
and
so
I
am
incredibly
grateful
that
we're
taking
this
bold
step.
G
Do
we
have
all
the
answers
worked
out?
No,
is
it
perfect?
No,
but
we've
never
dealt
with
such
an
extraordinary
time
in
our
city
and
I'm,
incredibly
grateful
that
the
province
is
stepping
up
as
well
and
following
suit
and
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
putting
some
support
and
resources
in
place
to
tackle
some
of
these
challenges.
Will
it
be
difficult?
Yes,
is
it
going
to
take
some
time
absolutely
do
we
need
to
do
it?
You
bet
we
do
and
I'm
very
happy
to
support
the
motion.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor.
There
were
two
requests
to
sever.
The
Motions
so
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
vote
on
each
part
of
the
Motions
separately.
D
H
I
can
I'm
not
sure
about
anybody
else,
but
I
can
sever,
I,
think
counselor
Boyle
said
a
b
and
c
can
be
dealt
with
in
one
block.
For
me
and
d,
e
f
and
g
can
be
a
second
block.
A
Okay,
so
that's
what
we're
gonna
do:
we're
gonna,
sever
ABC
and
we're
gonna
vote
on
d,
e,
f
and
g.
So.
D
K
A
On
ABC-
oh
boy,
apologies
just
so
we're
clear
we're
voting
on
a
b
and
c
right
now,
I
guess
if
I
could
turn
around
and
look
at
this
screen.
At
the
same
time,
this
wouldn't
be
happening,
but.
D
A
And
the
vote
carries
in
opposition
counselor,
Carr,
counselor,
Boyle
and
counselor
fry.
A
A
And
that
carries
unanimously
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
take
a
five
minute,
bio
break
and
we'll
be
back
in
five
minutes.
Thank
you.
A
Buddy
and
thanks
for
allowing
us
to
take
that
little
break
there,
so
we've
concluded
item
11
on
the
agenda.
We
have
one
more
item
that
is
item
number
12
transport
pricing,
stopping
the
road
tax
member
motion,
B
0.6,
which
was
moved
and
introduced
by
counselors
Classen
and
seconded
by
counselor
Kirby
young.
As
speakers
were
heard
on
this
item
on
November
16th,
we'll
move
directly
to
discussion.
A
If
you're
interested
in
discussing
counselors
Peter,
please
add
yourself
to
the
queue
and
we're
going
to
start
with
counselor
Carr
counselor
Carr.
Please
go
ahead.
H
Yeah
thanks
so
much
chair,
I
have
circulated
an
amendment
to
this
motion
and
I
am
assuming
that
wasn't
a
beer
and
we
are
so
if
we
can
move
to
an
amendment.
Qr.
H
H
Thank
you
so
the
reason
that
I
I
submitted
this
is
because
I
think
the
intent
of
this
motion
is
to
is
to
ensure
that
any
discussion
around
transport
pricing
isn't
focused
solely
on
Vancouver
and
in
specific
downtown
Vancouver,
but
in
the
in
Vancouver
itself.
My
amendment
makes
it
clear
that
that
would
be
okay,
any
exclusive
or
any
Focus
exclusively
within
Vancouver.
H
If
we
stop
that
work
that
that's
certainly
a
choice
of
this
Council
and
it
would
not
in
in
my
mind
and
in
the
mind
of
people
that
I've
talked
to
inhibit
work,
if
the
wording
is
changed
as
I
suggest
to
to
enable
staff
in
Vancouver
to
continue-
and
there
are-
it-
is
a
continuation
of
work
with
Metro,
Vancouver
and
The
Province
on
a
regional
approach
and
I.
H
Remember
that
that
did
come
up
at
the
time
where
this
was
first
in
introduced
into
our
climate
emergency
action
plan
in
terms
of
a
more
Regional
approach.
I've,
certainly.
D
H
I
talked
to
staff
at
this
at
Metro
Vancouver,
who
also
conf,
conveyed
to
me
that
if
we
were
to
stop
all
work,
including
the
city
of
Vancouver's,
collaborative
work
within
the
region
and
as
I
say
with
the
province,
that
would
be
extremely
difficult
because
there
is
a
need
to
look
at,
but
how
we
are
going
to
compensate
for
the
decreasing
revenues
to
TransLink
that
are
currently
supplied
by
the
gas
tax.
And
it
could
be
that
that
a
transport
charge
is
I
mean
some
of
the
possibilities
that
I
know
are
being
explored.
H
It
might
might
relate
to
mileage,
might
relate
to
just
a
straight
up
vehicle
charge.
It
might
be
something
quite
different
than
I
think
people
have
feared,
which
is
a
some
people
have
feared,
which
would
be
like
if
you
enter
the
downtown
core.
H
So
I'm
really
really
pleading
with
you
all
to
enable
this
work
to
go
forward
because
transportation
is
the
biggest
source
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
within
Metro
Vancouver.
It
is
the
second
biggest
source
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
within
the
city
of
Vancouver,
and
the
solutions
are
very
much
in
making
sure
we
have
a
very
robust
transit
system
and
opportunities
for
people
to
easily
choose
to
not
have
to
use
a
car.
So
that
is
my
Amendment.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr,
councilor,
Classen,.
K
Thank
you,
chair
I
will
I'll
support,
councilor
carus,
amen,
I,
think
to
her
point
that
we
need
to
be
as
creative
as
possible
in
this
time,
but
I
think
that
the
what
we
you
know
what
we
heard
and
what
we
felt
certainly
from
the
community,
certainly
the
downtown
business
operators
and
and
people
living
in
the
community
there
that
that
we
were
to
focus
this
as
being
a
Vancouver.
Only
initiative
is
something
that
I
think
we
we
were
not
going
to
support.
K
So
that's
why
aiming
the
road
tax
is
a
commitment
that
we
made
early
and
repeat
it
often
during
our
campaign,
but
I
think
that
this
this
amendment
essentially
underlines
something
that
is
mostly
indicated
in
the
original
motion,
but
I
don't
mind
the
additional
emphasis,
and
so
therefore
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
The
amendment
sorry
thank.
A
G
I'm
just
wondering
councilor
Carr
in
the
second
paragraph,
the
language
says
exclusive
of
Staff
participation
in
Regional,
Transportation
discussions
and
conversations.
So
to
me
that
clearly
said
that
that
acknowledge
that
there
are
Regional
conversations
going
on
with
respect
to
a
potential
Regional
Mobility
strategy,
and
it's
already
there
so
I'm
wondering.
Did
you
not
see
that
or
think
that
the
language
is
sufficient.
H
Yes
actually
I
did
read
that
and
I
did
have
a
question
in
my
mind,
but
more
importantly,
people
that
I
talked
with
who
involved
in
these
discussions
at
Metro
Vancouver
had
the
same
question.
I
did,
which
it
seems
in
the
absence
of
that
second
paragraph,
it
almost
seems
contradict
the
first
paragraph
seems
contradictory.
H
So
it's
saying
stop
all
work
and
that's
why
I
included
the
word
exclusively
within
the
city
of
Vancouver
as
language
and
and
just
it,
and
made
it
clear
by
adding
the
related
work
to
to
current
Regional
and
I
added
provincial
work,
because
that
is
also
going
on.
So
that
emphasizes
or
corroborates
the
second
paragraph
of
this
motion.
But
there
was
a
sense
that
taken
alone
that
first
paragraph
could
be
seen
to
to
obviate
the
possibility
of
Vancouver
staff
being
involved
in
Regional
and
provincial
work.
G
Okay,
thank
you
council
card.
Thank
you
chair
to
me.
It's
it's
redundant,
but
I
mean
I'm
happy.
If
you
know
counselors
want
further
emphasis.
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
from
the
existing
motion
that
says
quite
clearly
to
stand
down
on
work
quote
unquote
within
the
city
of
Vancouver
and
specifically
for
downtown
on
the
central
Broadway,
Corridor
and
exclusive,
the
regional.
G
Having
said
that,
I'm
happy
that
we
finally
got
to
this
point
and
providing
comment
on
the
motion
because
I
remember
advocating
along
with
counselor
dominado
at
the
time
I
know,
we've
got
some
new
folks
around
the
table
that
it
made
the
most
sense
for
this
Council
to
pursue
a
regional
solution,
and
we
proposed
that
that
was
the
direction
that
we
should
go
as
opposed
to.
G
Vancouver
quote:
unquote,
going
it
alone
and
a
Vancouver
Only
Solution
are
made
in
Vancouver,
and
that
was
not
supported
by
the
last
Council
of
the
day
and
then
the
result
is
we
spent
a
million
and
a
half
bucks
in
a
whole
bunch
of
time,
and
here
we
are
and
now
we're
actually
talking
about
a
regional
solution.
It
reminds
me
of
bride
hailing
when
we
talked
about
that
in
Vancouver.
G
Wanted
go
it
alone,
and
we
had
some
discussion
and
again
that
didn't
make
sense
to
me
and
then
I
participated
to
be
pushed
back
from
some
other
Mayors
and
people
don't
artificially
stay
within
one
boundary,
they
go
to
a
hockey
game
and
go
back
to
Burnaby
or
they
go
downtown
and
the
next
week
we
had
push
back
from
the
other
municipalities.
We
want
to
be
a
good
Regional
partner
and
then
lo
and
behold
we
were
reversing
back
on
that
decision
and
we
were
going
with
the
regional
solution.
G
So
I
think
this
is
where
we
should
have
started.
I
think
these
conversations
do
need
to
happen.
I'm
not
going
to
call
it
out
of
order,
but
I
think
it
is
redundant.
I
think
it's
to
you
some
of
the
comments
earlier.
It's
it's
wordsmithing,
but
if
it
provides
some
additional
comfort
for
people
and
we
get
alignment
around,
sending
a
very
clear
signal
as
to
what
it
is
that
we
are
pursuing,
then
I
will
support
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
I
think
so.
I'll
also
support
this
amendment
and
appreciate
the
work
counselor
Carr
did
to
reach
out
to
Metro
and
others,
and
just
make
sure
that
what
what
the
language
that
we
are
approving
is
clear
to
them
and
others
in
terms
of
what
the
direction
is
around.
F
Those
important
Regional
and
provincial
conversations
that
that,
as
was
noted,
become
more
and
more
important
as
the
revenue
from
the
gas
tax
decreases,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
are
continuing
to
provide
across
the
region
strong
and
growing
public
transit,
stuff
or
residents
to
get
around
so
happy
to
support
this
amendment.
C
And,
like
my
so
happy
to.
C
Be
happy
didn't
it
kind
of
dovetails
with
our
earlier
conversation.
Is
that
as
we
deal
with
complex
climate
issues
and
Transportation
issues
in
our
region,
that
we
need
to
continue
to
be
active,
Regional
participants
and
like
counselor
Kirby
young
articulated
quite
well
earlier,
is
that
we
were
having
this
conversation
about.
C
Why
would
we
be
bringing
in
a
transport
pricing,
congestion,
pricing
model
solely
for
the
city
of
Vancouver,
and
so
I
would
hearken
back
to
again
the
importance
of
thinking
regionally
and
while
we
sit
here
and
represent
residents
of
Vancouver,
we
need
to
be
also
thinking
regionally
and
so
to
continue
to
participate
in.
In
those
conversations,
I'm
happy
to
support
that
I
I
do
recognize,
it
may
be
a
little
redundant
but
again,
I.
Think
it's
clear
and
I
do
appreciate
the
the
dialogue
that's
taken
place.
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
seeing
no
one
else
in
the
queue
to
speak
to
the
amendment
I'm
now
going
to
call
a
vote
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
move
us
to
the
voting
panel
and
counsel.
If
you
could
please
register
your
vote
on
the
voting
panel.
A
Counselor
Boyle,
you
wish
to
speak
to
the
amendment.
Is
that
correct
to
the
amended
motion
yeah
just
going
to
put
that
on
the
main
queue
so
I'll,
just
clear
that
actually,
just
let
me
ask.
A
Council
car
is
going
to
go
first
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you.
So
it's.
H
A
You'll
close
Okay
Okay,
counselor
Boyle
thanks.
F
I
I,
as
I
said,
was
happy
to
support
that
Amendment
and
certainly
agree
that
a
regional
approach
makes
the
most
sense
because
we're
looking
at
Transportation
across
the
region,
I
will
just
name
some
concern
that
our
climate
emergency
actions,
which
include
significant
and
important
actions
to
improve
health
and
safety
in
terms
of
Transportation
in
terms
of
building
emissions
and
more,
was
relying
on
funding
sources
from
Mobility
pricing
and
the
parking
permit
program.
F
It
looks
like
neither
of
those
will
happen,
and
so
I
just
want
to
name,
as
we
will
hear
in
the
next
update
I'm
sure.
As
we
heard
on
in
the
last
update
on
our
climate
work,
that
those
gaps
in
funding
unless
they're
filled
lead
us
on
a
path
to
not
being
able
to
meet
those
targets
and
as
well
make
it
significantly
more
difficult
to
fund
initiatives
that
we
all
have
discussed,
including
improved
active
transportation
and
and
safe
pedestrian
infrastructure
for
routes
to
schools.
F
We
regularly
hear
from
parent
advisory
councils
and
others
about
the
need
for
a
flashing,
Beacon
or
an
addition,
National
barrier
or
other
infrastructure
to
improve
safety
in
getting
kids
to
school.
F
Those
types
of
funding
requests
were
part
of
the
climate
emergency
action
plan
and
similarly
work
to
to
protect,
renters
and
seniors
in
buildings
where
they
currently
have
no
way
to
mitigate
the
Heat
and
other
impacts
of
extreme
weather
conditions,
as
we
saw
in
the
loss
of
a
hundred
the
death
of
a
hundred
Vancouver
residents
in
the
last
Heat
Dome.
F
Those
types
of
Investments
are
also
part
of
our
climate
emergency
action
plan
and
also
we'll
see
a
funding
Gap
based
on
these
two
policies,
not
moving
forward
so
again,
I
think
a
regional
approach
makes
the
most
sense.
I
just
want
to
continue
to
flag
that
those
are
needs
are
significant.
F
Climate
needs,
but
also
health
and
safety
needs
that
we
are
going
to
need
to
figure
out
funding
sources
for
or
and
if
it's
not,
this
I
hope
Council
will
be
creative
in
how
we
figure
out
how
to
close
those
gaps,
because
those
are
are
very
important
needs
thanks.
Thank.
A
You
counselor
counselor
Frye.
E
Mr
appreciate
the
amendment
I'm
gonna
be
abstaining
on
this
particular
vote
and
mostly
just
because
I
find
it
to
be
kind
of
conflicting
and
and
and
disingenuous
for
me
to
support
the
notion
of
stopping
the
air,
quotes.
Road
tax
I.
Think
that
would
you
have
to
recognize
that
and
I
support.
E
You
know
public
parking
on
on
private,
Street
or
sorry
private
parking
on
public
streets.
We're
going
to
have
to
have
those
conversations
around
what
autonomous,
ride-hail
vehicles
are
going
to
mean
and
who's
going
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure
to
support
those.
These
are
around
the
corner
for
us.
So
I
appreciate
the
amendment
I
support
team
10
of
this,
but
because
I
do
recognize
that
at
some
point,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
conversation
around
how
we
pay
for
these
roads
I'm
going
to
abstain
from.
A
A
Okay,
the
motion
carries
with
abstentions
from
counselor
Carr,
counselor,
Boyle
and
counselor
fry,
and
that
concludes
item
12
on
the
agenda.
The
standing
committee
portion
of
this
meeting
is
now
complete
and
we
will
now
convene
in
counsel
with
Deputy
Mayor
Lisa
dominato,
to
deal
with
the
recommendations
and
actions
from
today's
committee
meeting.
C
Thanks
chair,
we
will
now
convene
a
council
to
deal
with
the
recommendations
in
action
from
today's
standing
committee
on
policy
and
strategic
priorities.
Meeting
clerk.
May
we
have
the
roll
call
please.
B
Yes,
mayor
Sim
is
on
a
leave
of
absence
for
civic
business.
Counselor
Carr
councilor,
Kirby,
Young
counselor
dominato,
is
in
the
chair.
Counselor
Bly
is
on
a
mellow
way.
Sorry
leap
of
absence,
counselor,
Boyle.