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A
Okay
well
good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
welcome
to
the
Monday
April
18th
City
Council
works
session.
At
this
time,
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
first
up
is
the
clean
and
green
gals.
So
you're
gonna
have
a
presentation
for
us
and
let
us
know
what's
going
on
and
what's
happening
and
right.
B
B
A
C
D
B
Okay,
yeah
first
time,
okay,
great
but
anyway
my
name
is
Arlene
Brandt
Jensen,
and
this
is
Chris
Phi.
We
are
members
of
the
clean
and
green
committee.
It's
an
h2o
20
committee
we've
been
going
for
quite
a
while,
and
some
of
the
h2o
20
committees
have
kind
of
gone
by
the
wayside.
We've
been
going
here
since
2013,
so
this
is
our
fourth
annual
spring
litter
blitz.
C
Well,
basically,
the
goals
of
clean
and
green,
very
simple,
decrease,
litter
and
increase
recycling,
and
we
think
we've
well.
The
the
litter
blitz
is
obviously
for
for
the
litter
clean
up
our
town
make
it
look
beautiful
before
graduations
and
we'd
also
like
to
recycle.
At
that
time,
some
of
the
accomplishments
of
clean
and
green
would
be
the
litter
blitz.
C
B
So,
going
on
to
the
main
reason,
we're
here
take
a
look
at
some
of
these
items.
We
got
a
$20
bill,
TV
remote
$100
bill.
So
what
do
these
things
have
in
common
they're,
all
litter?
We
found
all
those
things.
That's
reported
in
previous
feedback
efforts,
of
course,
with
the
other
things
that
are
typical.
Those
are
some
of
the
unique
items
this
spring
litter
blitz
has
been
a
wonderful
community
effort.
B
Those
are
some
numbers
from
the
previous
forms
that
we've
gotten
back,
that
where
people
have
reported
online
and
give
us
given
us
some
feedback
over
the
last
three
years,
so
totaling
all
that
up
about
1700
people,
volunteering
about
3,200
hours
and,
of
course,
some
of
those
people
may
have
done
it
two
or
three
years
in
a
row.
How
many
people
in
the
audience
I
know,
there's
some
Doug
al
vine.
B
B
There
we
go
coming
Earth,
Day,
April
22nd.
This
is
that's
this
coming
Friday
we're
looking
for
volunteers.
We
still
have
signups
available,
go
to
the
city
website.
The
Watertown
SD
us
go
to
the
community
tab,
and
this
is
what
it
looks
like
you
see,
the
the
community
tab
at
the
top.
We
are
the
second
one
there
listed
and
Shelley
Evers
has
been
great
to
help
us
get
all
this
set
up
from
year
to
year,
and
that's
the
what
the
website
looks
like.
B
The
map
has
not
changed
from
previous
year,
so
we're
still
looking
at
the
same
zone
and
if
you
click
on
the
sign
up
form
on
that
page
on
the
website
page.
You
will
see
this
form
where
you
can
put
your
group
business
and
or
all
the
contact
information
there.
Then
here
is
what
is
as
of
this
afternoon,
what
has
been
claimed
so
that
we
have
about
ten
zones
left.
Actually
a
few
of
those
are
already
taken
this
afternoon.
B
So
we
have
ten
zones
left
still
looking
for
a
few
more
there's,
some
easy
ones:
they're
like
zone
27,
the
i29
exit,
the
northwest
quadrant
you
could
I
I,
could
foresee
the
city
council
meeting
at
mcdonnell's
for
coffee
go
out,
do
your
little
zone
and
then
then
the
mayor
could
buy
ice
cream
cones
for
everyone
afterwards.
That
would
work
long.
B
C
Our
partners,
the
city
of
Watertown,
Sanitation,
Street,
the
mayor's
office,
Shelley
Evers
for
the
map,
Watertown
Community
Foundation,
because
we're
having
them
there
distributing
vests
and
buckets
and
stuff
like
that
to
all
the
people
that
are
signed
up
for
this
and
they're
managing
all
of
that.
First
district
for
the
map,
the
public
opinion
for
publicity,
the
raid
Watertown
radio
and
kxl
G
for
publicity.
C
B
A
E
A
We
can
probably
find
you
a
different
one:
Randy,
not
an
issue,
okay.
Well.
The
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
the
information
I'm.
Sorry,
the
update
on
Stoney
Point
development,
Shane
I'm,
gonna
kind
of
turn
this
over
to
you,
and
maybe
give
us
just
a
little
brief
history
of
what
happened
where
we're
at
today
and
and
what
we
expect
to
accomplish.
A
G
So
in
March
the
Planning
Commission
received
another
iteration
of
the
Stoney
Point
development
plans
and
shared
that
with
respect
engineers
or
for
their
analysis.
They
came
forward
with
the
report
at
the
11th
hour
for
consideration
of
the
Planning
Commission,
so
city
staff
took
that
report
and
took
the
data
that
the
design
for
the
developer
had
done
and
wanted
to
do
a
comparison
of
what
the
two
views
were.
So
we
hired
seh
engineering
to
do
an
independent
analysis
of
what
they
saw,
that
you
know
what
the
two
respective
proposals
or
points
of
view.
G
So
we
did
that.
We
got
that
back
here
a
week
ago
and
had
did
some
reviewing
and
when
that
went
public
or
that
information
was
going
public.
We
also
shared
that
with
the
respect
engineer
and
the
developers
engineer,
who
is
Austin
engineering,
local
firm.
So
with
that
sdh
they've
each
had
now
a
chance
to
review
a
CHS
report
and
at
2:00
this
afternoon,
late
I
received
the
two
documents
which
I
had
now
passed
out
to
you,
which
is
kind
of
their
spin
on
what
seh
also
are
disclosed
in
their
report.
G
So
you've
got
three
reports
in
front
of
you:
one
prepared
by
seh
kind
of
a
iteration
from
respect
and
awesome
engineering
on
their
spins
related
to
the
SH
report.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
introduce
rocky
keen
from
seh
who
did
our
independent
review
and
let
him
go
through
his
information
and
how
he
came
to
his
conclusions
and
observations
of
the
report
based
on
the
information
received
on
March
24,
then
I
suppose
we'll
we'll
go
into
the
other
two
reports
relative
to
that.
So
that
Rashi.
G
H
That
was
the
engineer
at
the
beginning
that
finish
up
so
kind
of
have
a
pretty
good
history
in
in
the
state
and
and
background
in
Water,
Resources
engineering.
So
from
that,
so
I
kind
of
take
a
look
at
these.
Based
on
that
experience
and
and
what
I'm
kind
of
do,
the
the
powerpoints
kind
of
a
summary.
More
than
going
through
the
detail,
the
report
and
kind
of
how
I
took
a
look
at
it
and
then
obviously,
as
we
move
forward,
there's
going
to
be
some
more
dialogue.
H
But
what
I
was
asked
to
do
is
basically
review.
The
two
reports
in
context
of
the
city's
best
management
practice
manual,
so
I,
wasn't
really
focused
initially
on
a
lot
of
detail.
You
know
as
what's
the
pipe
size
whatever,
but
how
does
it
fit
and
did
they
meet
the
requirements
of
the
best
management
practice
manual?
There
really
are
two
components
that
I
looked
at.
One
was
the
water
quality
component
of
that
manual
and
then
the
other
was
the
water
quantity.
H
Ponding
is
not
absolutely
required,
but
may
be
required.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
kind
of
said:
okay,
what's
the
next
step
and
when
would
it
be
required-
and
there
were
a
couple
of
items
in
the
BMP
manual
that
I
want
to
highlight
one.
Is
that
basically
saying
that
a
problem
shouldn't
be
transferred
down
stream?
So
that's
kind
of
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
You
designed
something
so
that
if
you
have
a
problem
in
the
development,
you
don't
want
that
problem
to
be
pushed
downstream
somewhere.
So
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
H
So
that's
the
first
question
you
have
to
ask
then
the
second
question
was:
is
there
any
regional
drainage
plan
or
master
plan
as
part
of
this
sub?
Is
this
development
part
of
something
else
and
therefore
help
guidance
so
and
then
that
can
ask
the
question
on
the
lake?
Is
there
past
studies
that
potentially
would
give
some
guidance
in
that?
So
those
are
kind
of
two
things
I
asked:
is
that
required
so
with
downstream
impacts?
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
was
well
if
the
hundred
year
event
occurs
on
the
subdivision.
H
What's
the
impact
to
the
lake
and
both
I
think
Shane
and
I
came
about
this
number
independently,
but
it
turns
out
that
the
change
in
volume
on
the
lake
is
point:
zero,
zero,
four
six
feet
and
I
kind
of
put
that
in
perspective.
It
would
raise
the
water
surface
element
to
pieces
of
paper.
So
again,
the
kind
of
my
conclusion
based
on
that
was
there
probably
was
no
impact
from
a
volume
standpoint
that
was
going
to
transfer
downstream.
H
The
other
question
was:
if
you
do
the
project
or
don't
do
the
project,
will
it
make
any
difference
and
because
of
the
minimal
amount
of
volume
and
the
timing
and
all
kinds
of
factors
again,
I
concluded
that
whether
you
have
detention
or
don't
have
detention,
it
really
wasn't
going
to
make
any
impact
on
the
lake.
So
again,
that
kind
of
calls
into
that.
Do
you
need
to
tension
or
not
criteria
and
that
BMP
manual,
so
then
I
just
kind
of
like
the
wall?
Is
the
lake
actually
have
a
regional
detention?
H
There's
just
a
couple
points
here
and
there's
obviously
been
some
studies
in
the
past
that
determine
the
high
water
elevations
in
the
lakes,
the
water
quality
the
like.
So
there
is
a
history
of
looking
at
that
watershed
with
the
lake
as
a
centerpiece.
The
other
thing
that
kind
of
caught
my
attention.
If
you
look
at
how
the
flood
elevations
were
determined
in
the
lake,
they
aren't
determined
on
a
model
but
they're
actually
German
historically,
so
they
take
years
and
years
of
record
of
Lake,
elevations
and
based
on
that
they
say
this
is
a
ten
year.
H
This
is
a
hundred
year.
This
is
a
fifty
year.
That's
the
information
that
was
used
in
the
flood
insurance.
So
again
it
kind
of
leans
you
towards
it's
a
big
site,
it's
a
regional
type
concept
just
because
of
the
way
they
determine
those
elevations
and
then
the
last
piece
again.
Obviously,
the
site
is
actually
already
part
of
the
watershed.
H
There
I
know
there's
some
discussion
of
whether
it
goes
directly
into
the
lake
or
not,
but
the
bottom
line
is
it
is
in
that
watershed,
so
I
kind
of
concluded
and
again
this
is
based
on
the
BMP
manual
and
how
it
kind
of
sets
up
that
there's
a
possibility
that
the
lake
is
per
is
pretty
good
chance.
It's
providing
regional
detention
for
this
watershed.
From
that
perspective,
so
then
I
just
really
quick,
go
through
it.
H
So,
first
of
all,
there
was
kind
of
a
discussion
of
the
pre-development
hydrologic
condition,
so
in
other
words,
they
were
trying
to
determine
what
the
runoff
was
from
the
site.
What
it
is
today-
and
there
were
a
couple-
different
factors-
use
the
BMP
man
is
very
clear.
It
says,
use
a
factor
of
0.3
and
the
developer
engineers,
a
factor
0.45
and
that
kind
of
came
up
in
the
review
of
respect
and
I.
H
Guess
I
tend
to
agree
the
manuals
pretty
clear
that
you
need
to
use
the
point
three
value
so
again
and
from
a
review
standpoint,
I'm,
that's
a
pretty
solid
review
and
at
that
point
that
can
be
discussed.
But
it's
clear
in
the
manual
you're
supposed
to
do
that
for
existing
conditions
in
kind
of
the
background
on
that,
where
you
kind
of
run
into
is,
if
you
don't
give
a
value,
this
is
kind
of
what
happens.
H
Everybody
and
true
puts
it
a
little
bit
different
and
you
can
interpret
it
to
your
benefit
of
your
site
or
not
to
your
site
and
again
the
advantage
of
the
BMP
may
actually
specifying
a
value.
Is
it
kind
of
takes
away
that
ability
to
kind
of
negotiate
the
existing
conditions
and
I
was
talking
to
actually
Shane
I,
said
hey
when
I
looked
at
the
map,
there's
a
bunch
of
woods
and
trees
and
he
says
well
I
think
those
have
been
cut
down
changed.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
how
you
can
change
existing
conditions.
H
H
There
could
be
somewhere
in
between
so
it's
kind
of
a
challenge
in
a
review
standpoint
to
look
at
that
and
then
look
in
the
BMP
manual,
so
I
kind
of
looked
at
him.
I
said
this
probably
would
make
sense
for
the
the
developer,
maybe
to
look
at
there's
again
just
the
double
check
it,
because
it
was
some
inconsistencies
with
what
respect
was
showing
and
again.
H
It
was
just
kind
of
a
recommendation
because
of
the
different
methodologies
and
the
BMP
manual,
and
then
the
last
thing
is
the
another
thing
came
up
was
a
discussion
of
well,
you
have
to
design
for
a
two
year
and
a
hundred
year
storm
and
again
from
a
technical
standpoint.
It's
well.
What
is
it?
What
is
a
24
hour
storm?
Does
it
rain
constantly
for
24
hours,
there's
a
not
rain
drizzle
for
a
while
and
then
spike?
And
so
again
you
can
kind
of
see
when
you
get
into
design.
H
There's
like
bazillion
different
storms
that
you
can
use,
and
there
is
some
guidance
in
the
manual
on
which
ones
to
use
but
I
think
the
key
was
they
were.
The
manual
really
clearly
is
focusing
in
on
a
rainfall
once
you
use
that
a
rainfall
amount
over
24
hours,
but
they
really
don't
tell
you
how
it's
going
to
rain
over
that
24
hours,
so
that
kind
of
goes
in
this
hole
which
is
right,
which
is
wrong
in
discussion
of
the
design
and
again
it's
kind
of
a
discussion.
H
What
my
recommendation
was
again,
you
might
just
want
to
look
at
it
again
because
there
are
a
couple
different
ways
of
looking
at
it,
so
I
don't
think
either
one's
right
or
wrong
a
lot
of
time.
My
business
is
not
bad
to
come
at
it
from
a
different
directions
and
if
you
get
nearly
the
same
answer,
it's
a
probably
good,
pretty
good
idea
you're
in
the
ballpark.
H
The
last
thing
I
in
the
Canada
is
that
we
kind
of
wrap
up
a
little
bit.
The
other
thing
I
really
looked
at.
It
was
well
what's
the
real
intent
of
the
detention
ponds
and
it's
very
clear
in
your
BMP
manual
the
two
year
storm
is
the
reduced
downstream
erosion
and
the
honey
your
deer
is
to
reduce
damaging
floods
downstream.
So
then
you
got
to
kind
of
ask
the
question:
okay,
what's
downstream,
of
this
site?
H
Well,
there's
no
streams,
there's
no
channels
because
it's
a
direct
discharge
into
the
lake,
so
the
two
year
kind
of
comes
into
play
as
whether
it's
really
a
factor
to
design
for
and
then
again
the
hundred
year,
I
kind
of
hinted
at
when
you
only
have
a
point:
zero,
zero.
Four
six
foot
increase
in
the
lake,
it's
kind
of
kind
of
that
discussion
of
well
really.
What
was
the
intent.
I
H
Putting
into
tension
ponds-
and
it
looks
like
in
this
case-
maybe
the
intent
of
the
BMP
manual-
doesn't
necessarily
100%
apply
in
this
case
and
then
the
other
question
again
going
back
to
the
regional
facility
is
a
again.
What
is
the
lake
in
that
plane?
Again,
that's
more
of
a
policy
discussion,
but
I
can't
again
I
kind
of
feel
that
the
lake
itself
does
provide
that
regional
aspect
and
then
the
last
point
that
came
up
and
their
whole
discussion
is.
H
Where
do
you
set
the
pond
volume
bottoms
of
all
these
ponds
and
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
on
what
that
elevation
should
be
and
what
happens
when
it
rains
and
where's
the
lake
out
when
waters
running
off
the
subdivision
and
again
the
BMP
man
who
has
no
discussion
on
this
whatsoever?
So
then
it
kind
of
relies
into
either
a
common
sense
or
what
the
city's
done
in
the
past
or
what
kind
of
makes
the
most
sense
from
a
design
standpoint.
H
The
one
thing
that
respected
do
is
they
talk
about
a
ten-year
like
elevation
which
I'm
not
quite
sure
and
where
that
came
from
because
it's
not
mentioned
in
the
BMP,
and
it's
not
mentioned
in
there.
Storms
who
are
designed,
but
it
is
the
only
places
mentioned,
is
in
the
flood
insurance
space.
So
there's
no
real
good
link
back
to
the
BMP
manual,
I
didn't
feel
and
then
I
kind
of
said.
Well.
H
If
there
is
no
link,
what
would
I
recommend
and
again
if
my
reference
is
the
BMP
manner,
the
only
storm
that's
in
it
is
the
two-year
storm.
So
that
would
be
a
good
reference
point,
but
the
developer
also
looked
at
potentially
ordinary
high
water
elevation
in
the
lake,
in
other
words,
that's
kind
of
a
guideline
of
where
it
would
get
deep
and
compared
to
the
flood
elevation
and
as
I
as
we've
kind
of
were
thinking
about
it.
H
H
There's
kind
of
a
good
guidance
so
like
in
this
area,
I
believe
it's
just
it's
less
than
an
inch.
So
if
you
took
all
the
rainfalls
that
ever
occurred,
90%
of
them
will
be
less
than
eight
tenths
of
an
inch
or
nine
tenths
of
an
inch.
So
it's
kind
of
a
guidance.
So
you
could
kind
of
take
that
same
criteria
for
the
lake
elevation
say
you
know
if
we're
looking
at
kind
of
a
probability
event,
let's
make
sure
that
the
ponds
are
above
ninety
percent
of
all
the
lake
elevations
that
would
ever
occur
over
time.
H
So
it
might
be
another
guideline
and
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
compare
that.
The
ordinary,
high
water
elevation
might
guess,
and
it's
a
little
bit
below
that,
but
again
there's
different
gauges.
That
I
think
you
could
weigh
it
on
than
just
the
ten
year.
From
that
standpoint
and
guy
under
guidance
so
and
I
guess
that's
kind
of
my
summary
and
I
guess
at
this
point.
Maybe
if
there's
any
questions
on
yeah.
A
I
think
rocky.
What
we'll
do
is,
as
a
group,
you
know
they're
gonna,
just
fire.
Some
questions
at
you.
There's
been
two
years
worth
of
questions
on
this
thing,
so
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
bunch
if
I
may,
just
the
first
one
when
you
talk
about
the
24-hour
rainfall,
is
that
the
the
five
and
a
half
or
six
inches
of
rain
is
that
correct?
Am
I
am
I
right
on
that
the.
C
H
A
H
Of
what
again,
when
I
was
initially
given
the
information
to
review
from
both
I
did,
there
was
no
discussion
of
water
quality
in
either
one
of
those
per
se.
So
my
initial
thought
process
was
that
it
was
fine
that
it
had
been
reviewed
by
the
city
and
everything
was
okay
and
then
the
real
issue
was
the
detention
ponding
discussion
the
two-year
hundred
year
and
how
that
relates
to
the
lake
and
then
I
actually
received
another
document.
H
Today,
a
previous
report-
and
we
kind
of
reviewed
that
today
it
looks
like
that
report
kind
of
concluded
that
the
water
quality
probably
was
okay,
appeared
to
be
okay
in
that
review,
so
I
guess
the
default.
It
appears
and
Shane
can
kind
of
clarify,
but
the
city
was
under
the
impression
that
the
facilities
that
were
put
in
met
the
water
quality
standards
of
the
BMP
manual.
G
Yeah
I
would
concur
with
that
that
the
initial
issue
that
came
out
of
the
fall
meeting
at
the
Planning
Commission
was
that
there
was
question
on
the
hundred-year
storage,
not
the
water
quality.
So
all
of
this
review
and
discussion
has
been
focusing
on
more
it
validated
that
the
water
quality
appears
to
be
a
have
been
met
and
also
then
focused
on
a
greater
part,
whether
on
the
100-year
detention
portion,
I.
H
Guess
just
add
their
only
dialogue,
a
little
bit
from
the
water
caller
standpoint
is
the
elevation
of
the
ponds
and
relationship
to
when
an
event
occurs.
If
the
so,
if
the
lakes
had
a
hundred
year,
elevation,
super-high
water
and
a
rainfall
occurs
in
the
subdivision
and
that
runoff
goes
directly
into
the
lake,
because
there's
no
detention
is
there
water
quality
and
then
that
kind
of
comes
back
to
that
concept
of
ninety
percent.
J
H
G
J
H
2.86
I
didn't
from
the
design
perspective
the
way
the
pot
the
outlets
are
designed
is
that
they're
designed
for
a
two
year
and
then
they're
designed
for
a
hundred
year
to
overflow
at
different
elevations
and
different
functions
and
I
I,
guess
quite
honest.
I
didn't
really
do
review
specifically
how
they
functioned
from
that
perspective.
Well,.
K
H
I
think
their
design
was,
and
they
can
clarify
it,
but
it
looked
like
it
was
a
kind
of
a
standpipe
with
a
bunch
of
little
holes
in
it,
so
that
when
you
got
like
an
event
it
would
this
water
would
slowly
really
be
released
from
the
ponds
and
that
provides
a
water
quality
benefit
and
again
that
that
was
part
of
the
design.
It
appeared
to
be
accurate
or
adequate
based
on
the
BMP
man.
You
know:
what's
has
some
pretty
specific
guidelines
on
how
to
do
that.
L
H
Well,
the
the
manual
was
written
in
2008
and
we've
had
Shane
and
I've
had
this
discussion.
If
maybe
we
need
to
be
revisited
and
having
done
this
for
quite
a
while
kind
of
there's
two
schools
of
thought,
this
is
kind
of
the
school
thought
a
lot
of
design
in
it.
The
manual
says
how
to
do
this,
how
to
do
that?
How
to
do
that,
the
technology
and
lots
of
stuff
we've
got
a
lot
of
new
stuff
coming
online.
That's
for
design
all
the
time.
H
So
the
problem
is,
if
you
get
too
restrictive
and
in
your
manual,
then
the
question
becomes
well
what,
if
this
is
a
really
good
idea
that
was
used,
someplace
else
can
I
use
it
and
you
can't
get
in
while
it's
not
in
the
manual,
but
can
we
use
it
so
so
the
question:
is
it
outdated?
It's
probably
consistent
with
a
lot
of
stuff,
but
the
biggest
challenge
now
is:
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
it.
H
When
you
look
at
it
in
an
interpretation
so
and
then
the
other
challenges
and
I
have
the
conversation
with
about
is
the
challenges
as
a
reviewer
from
a
city
standpoint.
If
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there,
it
becomes
really
tough
to
review
it
from
that
perspective.
So
one
thing
you
like
to
do
is
kind
of
condense
it
down
and
make
it
a
lot
simpler
to
review
or
provide
guidance
in
how
specifically
the
city
wants
to
review
it.
So
the
developers
understand
when
they
send
something
in
this
is
how
they're
going
to
look
at
it.
H
Therefore,
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that.
So
is
it
it's
it's
not
necessarily
outdated,
but
I
think
it's
got
a
lot
of
stuff
in
it.
That
probably
needs
to
be
tweaked
and
shrunk
down
a
little
bit
and
concise
and
condensed
from
that
standpoint
and
there's
just
a
lot
of
new
stuff
out
there
that
that
provides
water
quality
benefits
that
aren't
even
addressed
in
that
manual.
So
rocky.
F
H
Kenny
would
my
my
thought
process
kind
of
shifted
a
little
bit
on
that
to
be
honest
with
you,
because
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
specifically
the
ponds
themselves
initially,
but
then,
as
I
thought
about
other
projects
where
you've
had
a
big
water
body
adjacent
to
a
development
a
lot
of
times.
What
they
look
at
when
they
have
flood
storage
is
if
you're
impacting
it.
Potentially,
you
can
mitigate
the
lake
itself
so,
in
other
words,
potentially
increase
the
storage
volume
of
the
lake
as
part
of
the
project.
H
Potentially,
you
could
make
an
argument
that
that
has
some
potential
for
pretreatment
or
it
goes
into
the
big
body
of
the
lake,
because
it's
going
to
kind
of
confine
some
of
the
pollutants.
So
there's
some
side
benefits
that
really
that's
a
personal
opinion.
That
is
you
kind
of
not
that
it's
Pro
or
against
the
project,
but
it's
kind
of
there's
some
potential
benefits
that
could
be
discussed
or
there
could
be
some
then
down
sizes
to
that.
H
Obviously,
if
you're
using
your
channel
as
a
water
quality
improvement
channel,
it's
probably
not
some
take
a
certain
level
of
maintenance,
then
as
part
of
that
operation
and
again
that's
what
okay.
So
if
we
dump
a
bunch
of
pollutants,
you
know
what's
going
to
happen
to
it.
Is
it
gonna
grow
vegetation
we
don't
like
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
treat
that,
and
so
it's
as
much
as
we
like
to
predict
things.
We
always
can't
there's
always
a
side
issue.
Sometimes
so,
but
it
could
have
both.
H
M
H
If
the,
if
the
BMP
is
manuals
followed
in
the
city
review,
is
correct
and
saying
they
will
the
BMP
again,
we
cannot
protect
for
every
single
rainfall
event.
So,
if,
like
I
said,
if
we
target
90%
of
all,
the
rainfall
events
will
go
through
the
ponds,
get
treated,
that's
consistent
with
all
the
water
quality.
So
an
answer
question
is:
if
they're,
designed
correctly,
they
meet
the
BMP
there.
Above
probably,
the
ohw
elevation
is
what
they're
targeting
they
won't
provide
a
water
quality
benefit
to
the
lake.
Obviously,
there's
gonna
be
times
where
the
light
gets.
N
O
H
Again,
that
would
just
be
their
on-site
BMPs
if
they
meet
the
BMP
manual
and
their
above
that
high
problem
that
probably
90%
probability
event.
They
won't
provide
what
the
purpose
of
the
BMP
manual
was,
which
is
to
protect
downstream
bodies
from
water
quality
protection,
because
you're
gonna
get
most
of
them
and
then
part
of
it
is
there
may
be
as
kind
of
a
side
issue.
With
my
experience,
some
of
the
potential
things
that
came
up
with
flushing
you.
H
A
hundred
year
ago,
through
it
flush
all
this
stuff
out,
some
of
those
are
just
design
issues
that
can
be
addressed,
whether
put
in
an
emergency
overflow
that
doesn't
flush
it
out
or
bypass
I
design,
a
lot
of
stuff
where
they
called
the
first
flush,
which
basically
all
the
dirty
water,
goes
into
the
treatment
system
and
then
the
big
events,
part
of
it,
bypasses
because
it's
basically
not
dirty
water,
all
of
it.
By
the
time
it
gets
there
that
prevents
some
of
those
flushing
things.
N
G
K
F
Not
sure
who
I'm
gonna
address
this
question
to
it,
I
I
need
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
what
has
taken
place
going
back
to
last
fall.
It
was
my
understanding
that
the
DNR
stepped
in
and
said
that,
if
you're
not
complying
with
your
own
local
standards
or
your
local
ordinances,
this
project
can't
move
forward.
That's
where
it
came
to
a
standstill.
Last
fall.
F
Okay,
the
developer
came,
came
forward
with
with
some
revised
plans
this
spring
now,
and
the
Planning
Commission
at
the
meeting
roughly
four
weeks
ago
approved
those
plans
and,
as
part
of
that,
we
didn't
quite
have
all
the
information
I
felt
that
we
needed,
but
we
did
in
effect
say
that
we
did.
The
plans
did
pass,
muster
relative
to
our
our
local
standards.
Okay,
so
it's
real
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
Obviously
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
this
really
boils
down
to
a
legal
question
as
I
understand
it.
That
I
mean
do
do
is
what
is
plan?
F
A
F
G
Gonna
start
to
try
to
answer
the
question.
Okay,
so
we
received
the
design
plans
and
had
from
Austin
that
depicted
whether
or
not
they
had
the
100-year
event
review
correctly,
and
our
initial
review
indicate
didn't
indicate
any
red
flags
so
to
speak,
but
respect
challenge
that
and
rocky
has
reviewed
both
of
those,
and
he
did
find
a
few
things
from
the
engineer
that
could
be
identified
as
needing
to
be
redone,
and
he
stated
that
tonight.
G
I
think
with
respect
to
that
that
one
of
the
documents
will
receive
late
this
afternoon
is
more
information
from
Austin.
That's
related
to
that
redoing.
That
model
and
rocky
has
had
a
chance
to
briefly
glance
that
over,
but
not
in
any
detail
or
length
of
time.
So
we
could
either
do
one
of
two
things
we
could
have.
I
could
have
rocky
in
detail,
evaluate
the
new
information
brought
forward
or
or
do
you
feel
confident
and
making
them
well.
H
I
felt
like
a
lawyer,
sometimes
I
was
looking
this,
which
happens
sometimes,
but
I
was
really
looking.
What
did
specifically
the
BMP
manual
say,
and
it's
very
clear
from
water
quality
standpoint
you
have
to
do
some
kind
of
water
quality
project.
Then
the
city
reviewed
it
and
seemed
to
be
okay,
so
that
check
mark
is
gone.
The
water
quality
has
been
met
and
everything
look
good.
H
Then
it
became
this
water
quantity
discussion
and
was
there
any
wiggle
room
in
the
manual
or
the
ordinance,
and
it
appeared
to
me
that
I
found
the
wiggle
room,
it
says
may
be
required
and
it's
very
clear
that
it's
not
an
absolute
it
may
be
required.
Obviously,
if
something's
may
be
required.
Well,
why
would
you
want
to
require-
and
it
kind
of
went
to
that
sequence
of
what's
the
wrist
downstream?
If
you
don't
do
it
probably
from
a
legal
standpoint,
what
would
happen
if
we
allow
us
go
forward?
What
can
happen
downstream?
H
Other
methodologies
that
aren't
listed
in
the
BMP.
That's
where
this
developer
fits
in
what
they
submitted.
It's
just
another
method
in
the
city.
Historically
has
reviewed
plans
based
on
that
methodology
and
said
it
looks
fine,
so
I
from
that
perspective,
I
think
it's
fine
too.
So
again
the
thing
about
hydrology.
It's
there's
a
little
bit
of
you
kind
of
have
to
look
at
it.
It's
not
an
absolute
it's
kind
of
what
how
the
Seas
done
things
in
the
past.
J
I
got
me
again:
the
question
I
have
is
is,
if
we
didn't
have.
Oh
there's,
obviously,
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
we
could
write
and
specify
and
create
our
BMP.
Is
that
correct,
yes,
whole
world
of
different
options
out
there?
If
we
were
writing
it
today
to
to
govern
the
development
within
I'll
call
city
proper,
non
Lake
areas
versus
the
lake,
would
they
be
written
differently?
What
would
our
our
requirements
be?
What
they
are
today
for
the
lake,
or
would
the
lake
be
considered
that
hold
that
that
pond,
so
to
speak?
J
H
Agree
that
in
this
this
is
such
a
unique
feature
that
it
would
be
in
the
best
interest
that
probably
not
try
to
fit
everything
into
the
same
criteria.
So
most
communities
would
probably
would,
like
you
said,
look
at
the
lake
as
a
resource,
because
the
water
quality
potential,
for
it
is
different
than
say
dumping
into
the
Big
Sioux.
You
know,
that's,
that's
a
pure
EMS
for
storm
sewer,
pipe
dumping
into
the
Big
Sioux
is
not
the
same
necessarily
as
the
lake
because
of
the
type
of
resource
it
is.
There
would
be
some
potential
benefits.
H
K
A
I
think
what
I
want
to
do
now
is
is,
is
respect
here
or
is
there
somebody
here
from
it?
I'd
like
to
maybe
have
respect
come
up
give
us
your
take
on
some
of
the
information
that
you've
seen
on
this
on
this
SCH
report
and
then
also
just
so.
You
know
we'll
give
you
some
time
here
and
then
I'm
going
to
also
allow
us
in
the
same
same
timeframe.
So
a
few
folks
will
give
respect
some
respect
here
tonight.
Brad.
A
P
A
member
of
the
Lake
competi
Water
District,
we
hired
respect
engineering
a
little
bit
of
my
background,
I've
spent
23
years
trying
to
protect
the
water
quality
of
Lake
Camp
Aska
and
raise
money.
We've
spent
over
10
million
dollars
well
over
10
million
dollars
trying
to
clean
up
this
lake.
This
issue
has
never
been
about
water
quantity.
For
us,
it's
always
been
about
water
quality
and
and
also
construction
of
a
new
channel
and
on
artificial
channel
into
the
lake,
and
that's
a
policy
decision
for
the
city
of
Watertown
and
it
sets
precedence.
K
Q
Right,
yeah
I
am
Pete
Roush,
I'm
water
resources,
engineer
with
respect
consulting
I've,
been
with
respect
for
five
years
after
I
had
gone
to
went
to
school
mines
for
both
bachelor's
and
master's
and
civil
engineering
and
focused
in
Water
Resources
Professional
Engineers
South
Dakota
as
of
last
year
and
I.
Actually
I
grew
up
in
Big
Stone
City.
So
it's
back
to
be
good
to
be
back
in
God's
country.
Here.
R
I'm
Julie
Blackburn
I'm,
a
director
with
respect
in
the
water
and
national
resources
area
and
I
work
in
water
quality,
I
have
a
master's
in
ecosystem
engineering
and
modeling
and
have
worked
in
lake
water
quality.
My
entire
professional
career
work
on
some
of
the
most
complicated
like
systems
in
Minnesota.
Q
Well,
what
we'd
really
like
to
do,
and
the
intention
of
the
memo
that
you
received
today,
was
really
to
to
consolidate
and
and
really
reiterate
the
key
facts.
The
key
issues
that
we've
identified
we
identified
in
the
November
and
the
March
reports
want
to
go
through
those
and
and
just
make
sure
that
everything
is
clear.
So
I'll
go
through
those
and
yeah
once
I'm,
once
I'm
through
we'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
G
A
Q
Well,
yeah
another
we're
looking
at
the
memo
again.
Really.
What
we
want
to
do
was
make
sure
we
were
given
all
the
findings
that
we've
found
really
just
trying
to
present
what
we've
found
in
a
manner
that
you
know
can
be
useful
to
the
to
the
City
Council
for
making
decisions
in
the
memo
we
we
kind
of
go
through
the
history
of
the
the
plan,
submissions
and
and
our
reports
and
seh
and
I'd
like
to
really
thank
seh
for
for
their
review.
I.
Q
Q
Now,
accounting
for
that
that
increase
in
in
the
area
draining
directly
to
the
lake
and
then
also
accounting
for
the
development
of
the
site,
the
increase
in
the
imperviousness
and
the
increase
in
storm
water
volume
that
would
come
from
that
really
any
any
storm
event
greater
than
the
water
quality
capture
event
is,
is
going
to
discharge
five
and
a
half
times
more
water
to
the
lake
than
existing
conditions.
I
do
want
to
point
out
this.
Q
Q
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
point.
As
Brad
said,
we
we've
really
intended
to
focus
on
the
stormwater
quality.
The
quality
of
the
lake
and
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
it's
intuitive
to
us
in
the
in
in
the
business,
but
all
stormwater
discharge
to
the
lake,
including
that
in
excess
of
the
water
quality
design
event,
does
contain
elevated
pollutants
and
and
the
issue
is
that
translates
into
pollutant
loading
and
really
with
the
the
current
issues
on
Lake
and
Pesce,
and
really
any
lake
we're
talking.
Sediment
and
phosphorus
are
kind.
Q
It's
pretty
standard.
Now,
in
our
review
of
the
manual
we
found
that
the
manual
specifies
the
two-year
and
hundred
year
storage
volume
must
be
provided
on-site
in
the
absence
of
a
regional
drainage
master
plan
it.
The
manual
goes
back
and
forth
between
regional
detention
facility
and
regional
drainage,
master
plan
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
point
out
a
regional
drainage
master
plan
would
normally
evaluate
it.
Would
it
will
be
looking
at
at
future
land
use
in
a
drainage
basin
and
the
changes
that
would
come.
Q
The
cumulative
changes
that
would
come
from
from
full
development
of
the
site
and
the
cumulative
flooding
impacts
to
a
water
body
and
and
I
would
say
when
we're
talking
a
lake
where
you
know
anything
that
goes
into
the
lake
stays
there.
When
we're
talking
water
quality,
pootin,
pollutant
loading,
it
goes
into
the
lake
and
it'll
stay
there.
So.
A
G
Must
do
the
water
quality
and
rocky
made
that
clear
what
we
what's
a
question
is
when
we
do
the
water
quality
or
not?
Well,
if
that
has
a
subsequent
impact
on
water
quality
and
I.
Think
rocky
made
it
clear
that
it's
impossible
to
clean
our
provide
clear
water
from
every
storm
event.
So
we're
still
talking
on
parallel
discussion
points,
but
in
Rocky's
point
and
and
the
point
of
our
BMP
manual
I,
think
if
we
can
cover
that
90
percentile
of
the
storms
we're
doing
way
more
than
than
we
have
in
the
past,
but.
Q
Q
Q
Q
We
found
that
the
proposed
detention
BMPs
are
under
sized
relative.
That
requires
the
manual
and
to
be
clear,
our
our
March
report
focused
it.
It
sure
seemed
to
focus
on
this
detention
and
the
flooding
the
point
of
that
review
and
as
we
presented,
it
was
really
to
point
out
going
into
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
that
if
these,
if
these
detention
ponds
are
under
sized
as
designed
its
its
it
may
require
changes
to
the
easements
as
proposed.
J
Q
Say
both
its
if
it's
the
BMPs,
if
the
storage
volumes
are
under
sized
and
and
it's
all
done-
based
on
frequency
and
and
really
accommodating
an
acceptable
risk
and
if
the
ponds
are
under
sized
and
they
they
experience,
you
know
they're
did
the
that
the
storage
volume
that
they're
designed
for
if
it's
under
sized
will
happen
more
frequent
than
intended,
and
that
can
cause
that
could
cause
issue
it
could
over
top
more
frequently.
It
would
be
one
example
of
an
issue
with
that:
okay,.
J
Q
Well,
I'll
keep
moving
so
as
far
as
discussion
about
the
BMP
elevations
relative
to
the
lake
elevations
there
again
was
supposed
to
point
out
and
that
this
is
a.
This
is
a
piece
that's
not
specifically
addressed
in
the
manual
and,
as
rocky
pointed
out
that
you
know
considering
that
Watertown
has
both
streams
and
rivers
it.
Our
streams
and
lakes
to
address
this
more
clearly
would
be
helpful.
A
A
H
The
actual
two-year
elevation
was
not
ever
determined
anywhere,
it
could
be
done
because
we
have
a
10.
We
have
a
fifty
and
a
hundred
year
when
we
plotted
on
probability
paper
and
then
the
two
year
elevation
will
come
out.
I,
don't
think
there
is
a
two
year.
Elevation
that's
been
recorded,
it
has
to
be
determined
and
again
a
part
of
my
review
is
I
was
just
looking
for
something
to
link
it
back
to
the
BMP
manual
as
a
recommended
elevation.
So
it's
kind
of
the
thought
process
was.
H
K
Q
Q
All
right
so
so
takun
Lake
elevations,
as
we
presented
in
the
in
the
March
report,
simply
to
show
with
the
information
that
we
had
at
the
time
as
a
point
of
reference
for
discussion.
You
know
the
BMPs
are
below
the
10-year
water
self
surface
elevation
after
getting
that
out
and
having
a
little
more
time
to
review
and
as
SH
had
also
pointed
out.
Q
Q
A
Q
Q
Q
K
Q
A
Good
in
the
shortness
of
time,
if
you
guys
don't
mind,
you
know
we're
gonna
have
to
have
another.
One
of
these
also
I
would
like
to
get
Austin's
actually
Bob
your
your
people
up
to
kind
of
defend
your
side
a
little
bit
then
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
get
all
of
us
together
again
and
say
you
know:
where
are
we
really
at?
What
are
we
a
little
bit
accomplishing
here.
A
T
My
name
is
rod
young
I'm,
with
Austin
engineering
and
and
I.
We
did
to
get
a
chance
to
review
SCH
report
there
and
we
thought
we'd
just
put
together
a
letter.
You
know
summarizing
what
they
had
in
your
report.
You
know
just
to
clarify
a
few
things
and
then,
and
probably
also
one
of
the
shed
light
on
on
some
of
this
bottom
of
the
pond.
Elevation
to
here,
the
SCH
kind
of
commented
in
part
of
the
report
was
maybe
we
should
be
looking
at
the
top
of
the
way
or
elevation
as
well.
T
So
we
did
go
out
and
shoot
the
elevation
of
that
and
compare
it
to
our
ponds,
but
two
of
the
ponds
on
the
very
southern
part
has
been
eliminated
and
revised
to
a
different
location,
so
that
far
as
those
two
pawns
goes
being
below,
though
the
ordinary
high
water
mark
is
kind
of
a
new
point
at
this
stage,
because
the
laner
to
the
south
objected
to
it.
So
we
had
to
revise
that.
T
So
so
that's
what
we've
really
looked
at
as
well
as
looked
at
the
elevations
of
the
rest
of
the
ponds
and
we'd
have
to
do
some
revamping
them
just
slightly
to
get
them
above
that
we're
elevation
so
and
it's
and
that's
about
11
inches
above
the
full
elevation
like
an
Paskus,
so
just
to
clarify
that
part
of
it.
So
now,
as
far
as
one
of
the
concerns
was
the
see
guys
used
of
the
existing
out,
there
I
know
the
manual
states
at
maximum.
T
That's
point
three
out
there,
but
you
know
when
you
compare
that
to
the
table,
and
you
see
that
here
we
are,
we
got
a
development,
that's
going
to
be
pretty
steep
grades
out
there,
as
well
as
development
upstream
of
what
this
developments
going
to
be
taking
water
from.
We
thought
that
probably
wouldn't
be
really
realistic
to
compare
that
to
so,
and
that's
why
we
used
to
see
values
that
we
did.
You
know,
ranging
from
0.35
to
0.45
vs.
T
T
Okay,
this
is
the
SES
or
pardon
me
the
rational
method
there,
and
you
can
see
that
you
know
what
differences
of
the
curve
is
granted.
There
are
some
things
that's
going
on
here,
but
we
the
only
thing
that
we
can
attribute
that
to
is
when
the
water
levels
coming
up
to
the
top
of
the
pipe
you
get
to
the
top.
Then
he
it
drops
down
real
quick
and
then
it
builds
back
up
to
overcome
the
head
of
that.
T
K
T
See
we
putted
that
at
12
hours
for
the
peak
and
we
we
find
there's
a
little
bit
of
differences
but
depands,
you
know
as
being
going
to
be
built.
There
are
oversize
enough
to
take
in
account
that
differences
in
the
route
in
the
performance
of
the
ponds,
so
that
explains
the
differences
in
the
two.
So
it's
only
minor,
we
checked
all
of
it.
T
The
one
that
had
the
largest
differences
was
our
what
we
called
area
a
which
is
no
longer
there
anymore,
but
it
was
like
two
tenths
of
a
foot
which
is
about
two
and
a
quarter
two
and
a
half
inches
right
in
that
range.
Just
give
you
a
perspective
on
that,
so
you
know
whether
you
do
the
rain
storm
at
the
beginning
of
it
of
the
curves
or
in
the
middle.
This
is
what
we
found
here,
and
we
will
do
with
the
analysis
on
all
of
them
just
to
verify
that
to
make
sure
it
would
work.
H
V
T
What
we're
talking
about
there
is
that
when
you
have
these
ponds
in
there,
you
know
just
like
what
SCH
is
a
the
manual
specifies.
You
got
to
have
this
five
and
that's
if
you
put
a
gate
at
the
outlet
and
let
her
fill
clear
up
and
then
open
the
gate
up
and
let
the
water
out
well,
these
here
ponds.
Are
you
know
it's
what
we
call
rowdy
is
when
you
have
the
rainfall
event
coming
at
the
first
part
of
the
storm.
T
You
have
water
coming
in
you're,
going
to
have
water
running
out
and
that's
why
you
determined
your
pond
size
as
water
is
running
in
waters
running
out,
and
that's
why
you
get
the
peaks
of
that
and
you
determined
the
storage
volume
and
the
difference
of
the
areas
of
the
curves
and
then
you
rekey
Prevot.
It's
kind
of
like
a
trial
and
error.
A
Basis
that
you
do
that
icy
rod
in
the
in
the
respect
report
on
the
very
bottom,
it
says
that
this
assumes
that
existing
internal
ponds
are
capable
of
retaining
without
releasing.
So
what
you're
saying
is
just
the
opposite:
you're
expecting
some
release
through
that
time.
Pete.
Can
you
can
you
respond
to
that?
Can
you
give
him
that
microphone,
rocky
and
and
let
Pete
just
respond
to?
Why
would
you
have
no
release
I'm
curious
of
that.
Q
Okay,
so
that
evaluation,
the
difference
between
the
two
stormwater
pond
detention-
pond-
that's
the
designed
is
designed
to
to
capture
and
release
where
the
existing
ponds
are
basically
just
holes
in
the
ground,
with
with
no
design
and
the
further
analysis
that
that
you
know
would
be
warranted
would
be
you
know
at
what
elevation
do
they
release
and
and
at
that
point,
how
much
are
they
capable
of
storing
that's?
That
was
the
intention.
A
Q
G
G
All
right,
so
what
what
they're
referring
to
is
this
little
area
right
here
that
I'm
circling
with
the
pointer
is
a
depression
within
that
subdivision
that
acts
as
a
natural
storm
pond
and
that's
where
their
reference,
also
to
the
that's,
where
their
discrepancy
in
their
six
acres
versus
the
20
acres
is
kind
of
part
of
that
discussion
as
well,
because
a
lot
of
this
existing
site
does
drain
to
this
depression.
But
ultimately,.
G
A
V
V
You
use
the
gate
method
that
he
was
talking
about
on
the
ponds
and
held
everything.
Rad
did
a
comparison
on
one
of
them,
one
of
the
ponds
without
considering
the
water
that's
going
through
it.
It
would
have
to
be
five
hundred
and
fifty
percent
larger
to
contain
that
compared
to
what's
going
going
out.
T
That
that
pretty
well
summarized
our
report
with
schi
I
do
agree
with
quite
a
number
of
things
in
their
report.
There
are
a
few
things
that
we
can
iron
out.
You
know
in
our
final
stages
of
the
project.
You
know
like
working
with
the
landowner
to
the
south
there
where
we
had
them
other
ponds,
but
he
did
not
want
that.
So
we
had
to
come
up
with
a
different
configuration
of
the
ponds
there
and
I
did
give
Shane
a
copy
of
that.
But
I
don't
know
if
he's
had
a
chance
to
review
that
as
well.
T
A
Me
ask
you
this
with
with
the
three
of
them
here
we
got
respect
my
god
us
and
we
got
fch.
You
think
you
three
could
sit
down
at
the
table
and
work
this
out
and
get
things
squared
away
and
we'd
be
able
to
to
get
it
done
like
like
tomorrow,
I
just
but
I
mean
what
do
you?
What
do
you
guys
take
to
respect?
You
could
sit
down
the
table
with
them
and
work
this
out
with
seh
and
Austin?
Could
we
get
it
done?
I
think
we
could
all
come
to
a
happy
medium
on.
W
The
one
thing
that
I've
that
I've
heard
pretty
much
is
the
the
volume
of
water,
it's
kind
of
gone
by
the
way
that
isn't
the
big
hassle.
It's
it's
a
concern
of
the
quality
of
water
that
gets
into
the
lake.
So
if
people
just
could
confine
their
work
in
their
efforts
to
that,
I
think
we've,
let's
not
keep
getting
drifting
off
on
something
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
issue
and
that's
on
the
volume.
W
G
That
that
topic
alone
is
still,
if
you
read
the
two
reports,
if
you
read
Austen's
stuff
and
respects,
responds
they're
there
they're
not
the
same,
because
there's
different
ways
to
review
and
handle
the
hydraulic
analysis
and
rocky
made
that
point
fairly
clear.
So
what
I
don't
know
what
you
want
for
an
answer
that
there
has
to
be.
We
have
to
decide
what
what
is
right,
I
quite.
G
Austin
did
prepare
this
new
hydraulic
information.
It's
only
up
for
one
of
the
pond.
If
they
were
to
complete
that
analysis
for
the
remaining
ponds,
I
would
ask
seh
if
they
were
willing
to
be
an
independent,
arbitrary
review
of
that
and
determine
if
they
think
that
we're
holding
back
enough
water
or
not
for
storage.
Does
that
make
sense
rocky
or
is
that.
G
Right
but
now,
let's
get
to
let's
cut
to
the
chase,
though
we
have
to
decide
what
the
proper
size
of
the
ponds
are.
I
have
one
guy,
that's
saying
it
needs
to
be
five
times
larger
I
have
one
guy
that
says
this
is
adequate.
How
am
I
to
independently
evaluate
which
one
of
those
is
correct
you
this
is
my
only
way,
is
to
find
an
independent
person.
G
That's
willing
to
weigh
in
on
that
and
give
me
the
direction
cuz,
otherwise
my
hand,
my
hands
are
tied
to
either
method
or
not,
and
that's
why
I
chose
to
bring
an
independent
party
in
here
to
evaluate
and
boil
down
what
the
issues
are
and
I
think
to
be
fair
to
everybody
in
this
community.
Seh
is
the
most
neutral
in
this
discussion,
and
I
would
respect
their
opinion
to
be
non
biased
and
give
us
some
direction
on
what
the
final
storm
storage.
G
A
T
S
G
I
I
I
would
agree
and
I'm
sitting
here
going.
You
know,
I,
don't
want
to
get
into
a
legal
fight
with
the
city
over
this
I.
Don't
personally
have
a
problem
with
Bob
developing
the
property,
but
I'm,
not
the
oldest
lake
resident
here
tonight,
but
my
family
probably
is
and
I
am
absolutely
against
anything.
I
That's
gonna
destroy
the
water
quality
I've
been
working
with
the
lake,
a
mystical
water
project
district
since
its
inception,
and
we
put
in
riprap
and
we
put
in
a
weir
and
we've
been
at
the
forefront
of
trying
to
control
flood
control
through
Mahoney
Creek,
which
has
not
been
resolved.
Yet
all
of
these
things
come
into
play
and
I,
look
at
Bob's
plan
and
I
think
I
go.
You
know
if
he
didn't
put
the
channel
in
all
of
this.
Crap
goes
away
and
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
water
quality.
I
A
All
of
these,
but
I
think
I
think
if
it's
okay
with
both
groups,
then
we
will
get
all
three
groups
we'll
get
them
together
and
see
if
we
can't
get
the
volume
thing
taken
care
of
the
the
ponds
taken
care
of.
Let's
get
that
started.
Let's
got
that
finished
up.
My
suggestion
is
that
we
we
get
that
done
as
soon
as
possible.
We'll
get
another
meeting
set
up
before
the
next
council
mean
okay,
we.
S
G
And
that
leads
me
to
the
comment
that
I
was
going
to
make
was
we
need
to
I
mean
this
is
a
new
twist
to
this
scenario
with
seh
and
I?
Think
what
we
need
to
do
allow
to
happen
is
rods.
Gonna
have
to
do
his
reiterations
on
all
of
his
pond
location
calculations.
Provide
that
to
me
and
once
I
receive
it.
I
will
provide
it
to
respect
and
to
seh.
G
Let
them
review
it
for
a
couple
days,
and
the
only
thing
I
don't
know
or
even
have
a
clue
is
how
busy
rocky
keying
is
I
mean
rocky.
Do
you
have
I
mean
what
kind
of
schedule
you
got
you're
gonna
be
up
here
for
at
least
a
day.
It
sounds
like
to
me,
but
what
we'll
try
to
let
you
do
as
much
as
you
can
in
your
office,
but
then
you're
gonna
have
to
dedicate
at
least
one
whole
day.
You.
A
M
R
I'm
not
familiar
with
having
lakes
be
referred
to
as
regional
detention
facilities,
so
I
I
think
that
some
of
the
water
quality
issues
and
what
it
means
for
the
fisheries
and
I
am.
Obviously
this
is
a
valued
resource.
There's.
So
many
people
here
and
you've
been
talking
about
it
for
so
long
and
the
water
quality
is
important,
so
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
with
everybody
on
it.
Perfect.
A
I
K
A
J
A
L
S
A
I
will
look
for
a
motion,
a
second
for
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
motion
by
was
it
Bruce?
Second,
by
Beth
any
questions,
any
changes,
Gary
now
look
for
council
action,
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
number
two
approve
the
agenda.
I'll
need
a
motion,
a
second
for
that
second
pushed
by
Randy.
Second,
by
Brad
any
questions,
any
changes,
hearing,
none
I'll,
look
for
council
action,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,.
K
A
A
A
Okay:
number:
three
application
for
a
new
retail
on
off
sale:
wine
license
to
Harry's
haircuts
and
hot
towels,
LLC
doing
business
as
Harry's
haircuts
and
hot
towels
at
sixteen
West
Kemp.
This
is
an
additional
license
for
other
wines
right
now
house.
He
has
as
a
South
Dakota
Farm
wine
license.
This
will
allow
him
to
put
in
many
many
other
types
of
wines
in
his
business,
so
at
this
time
I
will
open
the
public
hearing.
A
A
K
A
Sorry
Glen
is
it
did
that
help
you
out
on
there
I,
don't
think
he
really
knew
that
he
wanted
to
do
those
other
types
of
wines.
I
think
he
thought
that
at
the
time
he
was
just
gonna
represent
the
South
Dakota
wines,
any
other
questions.
Hearing
none
I
will
look
for
council
action.
All
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
number
four.
Second
reading
of
ordinance
number
1605
amending
the
zoning
district
boundaries
by
zoning
property
west
of
5th
Street
southeast
c3,
Highway
commercial
district.
At
this
time,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing.
A
If
there's
anyone
that
wants
to
speak
in
favor
of
or
against
this
hearing,
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
Are
you
guys
all
familiar
with
this
particular
one?
This
here
is
where
the
theater
wants
to
go
down
to.
They
need
to
change
the
boundaries
on
this
particular
thing
is
change
still
around
already
ditches.
A
A
E
E
A
E
A
Right
opposed
motion
carries.
Thank
you,
I'm
glad
you
got
that
up.
There
number
five
vacation
of
platted
utility
easement
in
the
barge
addition
at
this
time,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing.
If
there's
anyone
in
favor
of
or
against
this.
This
is
your
opportunity
to
talk
hearing.
None
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
I'll
look
for
a
motion,
a
second
for
discussion
once
I.
A
A
G
Okay,
I'll
use
the
existing
drawing
the
the
braggy
addition.
This
is
a
Mike
Stewart
thing.
It
came
to
the
Planning
Commission
last
fall.
He
wished
to
re
plat
this,
these
two
Lots,
that's
actually
three
Lots.
There's
a
this
property
line,
extends
across
making
this
two
parcels
and
on
either
side
of
that
property
line
is
a
easement
for
utilities
and
there
are
no
utilities
in
there.
G
Mike
store,
purchased
all
three
properties
and
through
the
Planning
Commission
he
was
denied
to
replay,
but
what
it
still
allows
him
to
do
is
have
two
buildable
Lots,
so
he's
going
to
build
over
this
property
line
and
there's
also
a
access,
easement
and
utility
easement.
That
follows
either
side
of
this
line
here.
So
this
line
across
the
two
Lots
has
no
utilities
in
it
he's
a
petition
for
that
to
be
vacated
and
that's
what
you're
acting
on
today
is
a
vacation
of
that
and
I
apologize
that
the
drawing
wasn't
attached.
A
K
L
G
L
G
A
Think
we
have
a
motion
a
second
on
the
floor
here
in
no
more
questions.
I'll,
look
for
council
action,
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
number
6
resolution
number
1613,
a
bridge,
reinfection
program
resolution
to
use
the
South
Dakota
deal
T
retainer
contracts,
Shane.
If
you
want
to
handle
that
for
us,
yeah.
G
Thank
You
mayor
this
is
a
program
that
the
city
participates
annually.
We've
currently
split
our
bridge
inspections
between
two
engineering
firms.
One
of
them
is
Austin
engineering,
which
is
what
this
petition
or
a
resolution
allows
us
to
use
those
for
for
this
year's
inspections.
Last
year
we
use
Clark
engineering,
for
the
in
is
saying
for
the
other
half
of
our
inspection,
so
we
split
our
bridges
into
two
groups
and
each
group
has
roughly
the
same
amount
of
bridges
in
it,
and
so
this
is
just
engaging
the
d-o-t
to
do
our
annual
inspections.
W
A
A
Exactly-
and
they
did
a
great
presentation
if
you
recall
that
okay,
so
I'll
look
for
a
motion
in
a
second
for
discussion
motion
by
Beth
second
by
Mike,
any
questions
on
this.
You
guys
something
we
have
to
do:
okay,
I'll,
look
for
council
action,
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
number
seven
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
sign
a
contract
for
design
services
was
evergreen,
skateparks
LLC
for
the
skate
park
project
in
the
amount
of
$12,500
Jay
I'll.
Let
you
talk
about
this
a
little
bit.
U
Okay,
well,
as
you
know,
the
present
skate
park
that
we
have
is
located
in
a
residential
community,
and
you
know
it's
not
very
popular
in
that
community.
So
we
wish
to
relocate
that
one
of
the
area's
that's
in
consideration
now
would
be
the
parking
lot
near.
Cooke
complex
south
of
the
existing
son
chase
apartments
and
a
resident,
and
the
skateboard
enthusiasts
from
Watertown
here,
tend
to
put
us
in
contact
with
this
evergreen
skate
parks.
U
A
W
U
U
L
U
You
know
I,
don't
think
I
would
say
there
would
probably
be
a
core
group
of
probably
two
dozen
to
thirty
people
that
are
regular
users,
but
then
there's
a
host
of
you
know
occasional
users
that,
like
to
take
the
kids
down
there,
some
of
the
parents
I've
talked
to
they
like
to
go
down
there
with
their
kids
and
that
type
of
thing,
I
can't
really
say
it's
increasing
I,
don't
really
think
it's
decreasing,
but
a
state-of-the-art
facility.
I
could
see
this
almost
as
kind
of
a
destination
skate
park,
because
there's
not
many.
A
X
U
U
Basically,
it
wasn't
based
on
a
percentage.
It
was
just
something
that
we
contacted
and
we
had
done.
The
RFP
earlier
and
I
came
to
mess
that
up
a
little
bit
candidate,
a
design-build,
and
we
need
the
design-bid-build
so
came
to
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
they
actually
reduced
their
cost.
From
what
the
original
RFP
looked
like.
A
There
was
a
private
donor.
Gonna
come
in
with
I
believe
thirty
thousand
dollars.
We
had
kind
of
looked
at
using
that
I
think
there
were
some
things
that
happened,
that
maybe
maybe
how
do
I
say
it
right.
They
got
a
little
ticked
off.
That's
something
else
and
decided
to
pull
out
at
this
particular
time.
So
we're
looking
at
our
budget
process
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
gonna
go.
J
J
A
Head
and
today
I'm
going
to
throw
this
out
there,
for
you,
though
Mike
I
mean
this
would
have
been
the
time
during
budget
hearings
that
we
would
have
said.
No,
we
don't
want
to
do
that
when
the
council
voted
unanimously
to
do
a
skate
park
and,
and
they
put
the
dollars
into
the
budget,
the
hundred
eighty-five
thousand
we've
had
it
out
there
that
we're
going
to
do
this
I
think
this
is
not
the
time
to
question
that
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
A
L
Just
just
to
follow
up
I
respect
your
comments,
mr.
mayor,
but
when
we
do
put
it
in
the
budget,
that's
a
lot
of
time
when
the
public
finds
out
about
it
and
the
questions
come
up
so
very
respectful
what
you
said,
but
that's
why
the
questions
do
come
up.
I
do
think
that
thing
needs
to
be
moved
and
I
just
want
to
validate
that
that
there
is
a
need
for
it
and
once
it
got
out
there
in
the
public,
then
the
questions
came
in
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
respond
to
those.
A
Any
other
questions:
hey
now,
I'll,
look
for
counsel
action,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
number.
Eight
consideration
of
bids
receive
with
a
cook
complex,
Extension
Center
parking
lot.
This
is
a
reconstruction
project.
We're
all
aware.
This
outlook
for
motion
is
second
for
discussion
motion
by
john
ii
by
dan.
A
G
The
whole
thing
yep
okay,
so
we
did
receive
two
bids,
one
from
class
and
which
was
a
little
bit
and
the
second
one
from
McLaughlin
and
Schultz.
Both
of
those
were
under
our
engineer's
estimate,
which
was
a
good
sign.
The
the
low
bidder
was
15%
below
the
estimate.
The
a
portion
of
the
project
does
include
work
that
the
county
had
committed
funding
to,
and
we
were
the
bids
came
in
such
that
we're
below
their
portion
of
the
project
as
well.
G
So
we
we
don't
see
any
reason
to
see
any
non
participation
from
the
county
so
with
that
the
project
is
scheduled
for
fall,
we're
looking
at
approximately
an
August
10th
date
for
starting
and
if,
if
need
be,
we
may
entertain
starting
sooner
than
that
if
possible.
But
we
would
do
want
to
minimize
the
conflicts
with
current
uses
throughout
the
summer.
So
with
that,
if
there's
any
other
specific
questions,
that's.
W
G
G
I
have
a
draw
or
the
area
up
on
the
on
my
screen.
You
know,
I'll
have
them
put
it
up,
so
the
city's
main
portion
is,
you
can
see
where
this
changes
colors
and
that's
because
this
area
appear
with
had
some
previous
maintenance
work
done
on
it.
This
area
down
to
the
south
is
what
the
city's
committed
to
total
reconstruct
we're
going
to
take
all
the
pavement
off
of
this
area
read
great.
G
It
put
some
fresh,
gravel
down
and
repave
that
north
of
there
you
can
see
all
the
wet
spots
from
the
previous
Springs
drainage
and
that
those
are
the
areas
where
that
asphalt
parking
lot
are
breaking
up
to
the
north.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
go
in
these
and
cut
little
patches
out
and
fix,
fix
the
broken
up
areas
and
then
leave
it
in
a
state
that
we
can
overlay
the
whole
parking
lot
with
an
inch
and
a
half.
So
the
whole
parking
lot
will
look
brand
new
when
we're
done
with
the
initial
appearance.
G
Now,
what
you
will
see
is
reflective
cracking
on
this.
North
half
will
start
to
show
up,
probably
the
following
spring:
that's
normal
with
an
overlay
and
to
be
expected.
So
if
anybody
complains
about
some
cracking
up
there,
you
know
in
the
next
year
or
two
that's
expected,
but
the
south
half
will
be
completely
reconstructed
and-
and
that
is
actually
almost
to
the
state
where
it's
essentially
a
rough
gravel
road
right
now.
W
G
X
X
A
G
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion,
a
second
on
the
floor
and
no
further
discussion.
I'll,
look
for
council
action,
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
under
old
business,
I'm
going
to
I
am
going
to
throw
this
out.
We
do
want
to
go
out
for
the
SCADA
grant.
Again,
if
you
recall
this
gated
grant
is
for
the
small
communities
on
the
air
line
for
the
advertising
and
and
things
so
and
when
we
get
our
new
airline
in
here
in
August,
we'll
be
prepared
to
do
the
advertising.
A
This
is
coming
to
us
from
the
from
the
airport
board.
If
you
remember,
we
did
go
out
for
this
grant.
Six
months
or
so
ago,
we
had
no
Airlines.
So
at
that
particular
time
they
turned
us
down.
It's
$120,000
grant
that
we're
going
to
be
asking
for,
and
the
city
of
Watertown
would
be
responsible
for
a
$20,000
share.
I
would
ask
that
you
allow
me
to
at
least
apply
for
this
grant
and
see
where
the
feds
go
with
it.
So
I
would
look
for
a
motion.
As
second
most
of
my
brew,
the.
F
A
E
Don't
know
if
had
fall
on
your
own
business
or
probably
just
some
open
discussion.
If
a
lot
of
people
noticed,
we
do
have
some
issues
with
the
new
banners
we
put
up.
Quite
a
few
of
them
have
gone
down
already.
We
are
working
with
the
manufacturer.
First
I
want
to
get
them
all
collected
together,
so
we
get
some
pictures
and
we
will
be
working
with
the
manufacturers
see.
We
can't
do
to
resolve
that
issues.
K
A
Also
wanted
to
mention
that,
under
new
business
we
will
be
having
a
a
council
meeting.
April
27
it'll
be
a
special
meeting
at
noon.
This
will
be
on
on
the
decision
that
you
folks
will
have
to
make
on
Airlines.
We
will
I
believe
we're
having
we're
having
a
couple
airlines
coming
in
I
forget
which
exactly
one,
but
on
the
20th.
There
will
be
an
airline
aircraft
flying
in
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
they're,
probably
two
of
them,
that
day
and
on
the
21st
there'll
be
another
aircraft.
A
A
O
At
the
last
council
meeting
you
all
of
you
approved
a
land
lease
for
air
co
inc.
As
you
know,
Scott
and
Donna
Thompson
bought
the
building,
and
then
we
had
a
land
lease
issued
for
air
co
inc.
They
have
requested
that
they
would
like
that
land
lease
to
be
in
the
name
of
Scott
and
Donna,
Thompson,
living
trust
and
based
on
the
language
of
the
motion.
We
would
need
a
new
motion
to
Joe
change.
The
contracting
party
name,
the
remainder
of
the
contract,
stayed
the
same
okay.
O
W
A
W
If
this
fall's,
probably
more
under
old
business-
and
it's
not
a
too
big
video
I-
did
have
a
call
this
week
about
the
roundabout
and
the
person
that
called
me
was
happy
with
the
roundabout,
but
thought
that
maybe
we
need
to
educate
a
few
more
people,
the
who's
got
it
right
away
within
the
roundabout.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
go
about
educating
people
on
that.
W
W
A
lot
and
had
no
problems
with
it
quite
honestly
at
all,
but
I
don't
go
round
and
round,
though
I
tend
to
make
it
to
get
an
exit.
But
her
problem
was
that
somebody's
on
and
there's
somebody
else
cuts
in
front.
Then
they
should
just
to
the
left.
I
believe
is
both
that's
person
supposed
to
have
the
right.
We
got
to
let
that
person
through,
if
they're
already
on
there.
So
if
nothing
else,
maybe
through
this,
those
that
watch,
maybe
somebody
to
get
the
hand
mic.
A
J
X
I
guess
I
was
out
last
week
and
looked
at
him
I
noticed
they've
got.
It
appears
to
be
the
majority
that
grading
done.
They've
got
the
footings
in
for
the
concession
area,
the
storage,
the
umpire
area,
the
lights
are
all
up
at
this
point,
I
think
but
they're
still
working
on.
It
looks
to
me
like
they're,
still
working
on
some
of
the
grading.
X
I,
don't
know
they're
talking
about
I,
think
June
at
the
earliest,
perhaps
July
for
seeding
and
right
now
the
you
know
what
they're
still
saying
is
that
we're
we're
up
to
speed
for
opening
it
up
for
play
and
in
the
spring
next
year,
so
things
are
tracking
along
pretty
well
out.
There
weather's
been
good
to
us.
They.
E
X
M
Two
really
two
things
number
one.
Last
Thursday
we
met
at
the
uptown
renewal
board
and
were
presented
the
charettes
bulletin
that
you're
the
book
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
It
looks
kind
of
ominous
but
I
think
it.
We
decided
that
if
you
would
just
read
the
first
13
pages,
that
gives
an
overview.
So
it
isn't
quite
so
bad
then,
and
the
good
news
is
that
the
city
is
already
in
really
in
line
to
start
doing
some
of
the
things
that
they
are
suggesting
that
we
do
for
the
first
year.
M
L
K
M
That
first
13
pages-
oh
that
would
be
appreciated
because
that'll
kill
me.
We
were
making
reference
to
that.
So
just
the
front
part
and
then
the
second
thing
is
we
did
you're
on
the
gun
range
excursion
to
Garretson
and
to
Brookings
on
Friday,
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
duke's
mixture
they've
got
Garretson,
has
a
thousand
members
using
a
gun
range
in
Garretson,
but
it's
pretty
average
and
then
Brookings
as
really
fancy.
M
A
M
E
G
N
E
You
know,
I
can
honestly
say:
maybe
I
just
pay
more
attention
to
it
being
under
renewal
board,
but
I
can
honestly
say
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
I
think
I'm
starting
to
see
more
and
more
cards
downtown
all
the
time
a
lot
during
the
evening
hours.
You
know
just
a
lot
of
great
things
going
on
downtown.
A
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
public
understands.
We
had
a
long
discussion
on
our
work
session
tonight
on
stony
point
and
Shane
you're
gonna
be
putting
the
group
together.
We
need
to
have
more
discussion,
get
the
sooner
the
better
on
that
I
would
say
if
we
can
get
it
done
next
week,
that'd
be
great
yeah
I,
don't
know.
If
you
can
do
that.
Yeah.
G
We
talked
about
it
a
little
bit
after
the
meeting,
we'll
probably
schedule
a
couple
of
go
to
meetings
where
everybody
can
kind
of
sit
in
their
own
City
and
but
still
see
each
other
and
converse
and
get
through
the
first
steps
and
then
we'd
probably
get
together
after
that
and
then
also
engaged
the
council
in
a
meeting.
You
know
that
I
think
that's
how
it'll
progress,
but
we'll
try
to
do
that
as
quick,
a
timeline
as
we
can
all
all
agree
to
with
all
the
parties.
I
think.
A
G
Well
correct,
say:
I
I
do
have
a
couple
other
things.
If
the
council
wants
to
entertain
it,
one
thing
that
we've
been
working
on
is
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
between
goe
and
the
city
with
regard
to
the
design
and
construction
of
the
bridge
on
South
Broadway,
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
now
the
vacation
will
be
proceeding
or
has
proceeded
past,
its
dates
of
limitations
for
protesting
and
so
forth.
So
in
essence,
the
vacation
is
complete.
G
A
G
Just
give
you
a
brief
update
on
the
highway.
Do
you
want
construction?
We'll
have
a
meeting
again
this
week,
of
course,
on
Wednesdays
current
detour
is
still
continuing
to
use
second
Avenue
over
to
3rd
Avenue,
up
to
4th
Avenue
or
for
3rd
Street.
Excuse
me
to
4th
Avenue
and
then
back
over
to
highway
81.
We
did
experience
a
some
confusion
by
the
general
public
on
parading
through
the
detour
and
identified
those
issues
fairly
quickly.
G
G
That
detour
will
be
in
place
for
another
for
approximately
three
weeks
so
sometime
towards
the
end
of
May,
we'll
transition
into
the
phase
two
of
the
detour,
which
will
then
utilize
third
Avenue
going
east
over
to
11th
Street,
the
north
to
10th
Avenue
and
then
back
West
to
highway
81.
So
well
we'll
keep
continuing
to
provide
updates,
especially
when
we
get
to
those
phases
where
we'll
change
the
traffic
pattern,
but
there's
any
questions.
I
can
certainly.
A
G
There
is
there
called
detection
loops,
they
are
putting
detector
loops
in
which
elevates
the
level
of
service
that
you
can.
You
can
manipulate
how
those
traffic
lights
operate.
So,
in
other
words,
if
you
know
that
that
you're
not
giving
the
tenth
Avenue
of
traffic
enough
time
by
having
those
detection
loops
in
there,
you
can
adjust
the
time
frame,
maybe
give
them
another
30
seconds
or
a
minute
or
whatever,
or
if
or
if
that's
too
much
time
then,
and
the
traffic's
backing
up
on
highway
81.
G
G
G
Then
you
know
it
has
to
cycle
through
the
light
to
get
from
green,
to
red
or
red
to
green,
and
then
it
sits
there
and
it
activates
a
timing
sequence
that
for
how
long
that
turning
movement
or
traffic
movement
is
allowed,
and
then
it
switches
back
to
its
mandatory
normal
one,
which
is
you
know,
highway
tyonne's,
always
going
to
dominate
those
intersections.
So
then
it'll
go
back
to
the
cycle
where
81
dominates,
but
what
the
good
part
about
it
is.
G
E
J
Have
a
well
more
of
an
FYI
than
anything
else,
but
on
First
Avenue
South
as
it
comes
to
19th
Street
right
where,
where
KC's
and
home
federal
is
there
are
the
dominant
times
for
that
intersection.
You
know
the
new
now
or
the
five
o'clock
time
frame
where
the
traffic
is
backed
up
for
a
block
and
a
half
or
more
to
the
west,
because
there's
no
turning
lane.
It's
the
turning
lane
is
what's
great
in
the
problem.
There
is
no
turning
light
there
to
go.
J
North
I,
don't
see
it
as
much
coming
from
the
east,
because
people
go
the
other
way.
They
typically
don't
come
so
much
and
and
take
a
a
left-hand
turn
as
much
coming
from
the
east,
but
coming
from
the
West
and
then
turning
north
on
19th.
There
is
a
long,
a
cup
of
traffic
there
and
it's
just
getting
worse
and
worse.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
something
we
can
do
with
that
or
if
we
need
to
look
at
a
turning
arrow
on
that,
but
that's
just
an
FYI.
It
is
I've,
really
noticed
it
as
bad
lately.
J
G
Visit
with
the
street
department
staff,
they
they
do
the
improvements
or
or
manage
to
those
systems
and
we'll
review
it
as
far
as
I
can
tell
that
does
not
have
the
actuated
lights.
So
it's
probably
on
a
timing
sequence
and
if
that
timing
sequence
is
set
too
long
in
any
one
direction.
Traffic
can
back
up,
especially
during
peak
times,
but
we
can
certainly
maybe
set
somebody
out
there
and
observe
how
bad
that
backup
is
for
a
week
or
you
know
just
doing
the
peak
times.
A
G
Management
study
the
company
IMS,
if
you
saw
their
van
driving
around
last
week,
they
were
in
town
and
they
successfully
drove
through
our
whole
system
by
Saturday.
So
at
least
the
visual
data
collecting
sequence
of
that
process
is
completed.
We
did,
if
you
recall,
an
erasing
Council
meeting,
add
another
element
to
that
design
study
and
that
was
deflection
testing.
G
I
yeah
I
assuming
this
is
public
knowledge,
because
I
was
asked
directly
by
the
owner.
Mclaughlin
Schultz
has
received
an
offer
for
purchase
and
sometime
this
summer
we
expect
that
purchase
to
be
complete.
The
city
does
have
one
or
two
con
contracts
currently
with
McLaughlin
Schultz
and
the
attorney
and
I
on
will
work
out.
Whatever
paperwork,
we
need
to
do
to
transfer
those
from
one
company
to
the
next,
but
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
dunnock
brothers
incorporated,
purchased
that
operation
and
I've
worked
with
them
on
many
projects
in
Minnesota
and
I.
A
To
mention
otherwise
I
got
one
thing:
I
want
to
throw
out
there.
I
had
an
opportunity.
I
was
on
a
date.
Saturday
night
I
took
two
little
girls,
ten
years
old
to
the
northeast,
shrined,
father-daughter
dance
and
had
a
blast,
and
there
was
about.
There
was
about
75
little
girls
and
kids
running
around,
and
it
was
a
good
time.
M
K
A
E
G
And
I
think
that's
one
of
the
the
to
two
things
that
we
haven't
handled
yet
is
the
channel
and
the
impacts
on
the
wetlands
and
the
fisheries
and
I
think
we'll
also
need
to
determine
a
time
to
gather
those
folks
in
and
have
that
discussion.
One
thing
that
we
may
bump
our
nose
in-
and
we
should
probably
be
conscientious
of
that
is
the
timing
of
our
process
through
the
from
the
Planning
Commission
and,
and
they
did
act
on
it.
G
A
K
F
K
G
There's
a
moratorium
on
how
long
you
can
hold
a
plat
before
action
gets
taken
on
and
I
think
now.
One
one
thing
we
could
do
is
touch
base
with
the
developer
and
see,
if
he's
okay,
extending
that
period
of
time
and
I
think
we
should
define
that
and
probably
if
nothing
else,
maybe
make
bring
him
in
make
a
a
subsequent
motion.
That
extends
a
time
frame.
All.