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A
B
A
C
A
By
mr.
stone
burger
second
by
mr.
Albertson,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
second
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
applicant,
Sarah
Peterson,
doing
businesses
kicks
and
giggles
permit
number
one.
Seventy
four
to
seven
and
seeking
a
conditional
use
for
a
home
daycare
at
4:01,
27th,
Street
Northwest.
All.
B
Right,
thank
you
again.
An
applicant
makes
seeks
approval
to
operate
a
home
daycare
business
from
her
single-family
dwelling
for
21
1403,
one
in
five
and
contingent
on
compliance
with
home
occupation
standards
and
specific
rules
governing
conditions.
The
daycare
home
is
a
listed
conditional
use
in
the
r1
single-family
residential
district.
Such
facilities
shall
provide
not
less
than
35
square
feet
of
interior
floor
area
and
50
feet
square
feet
of
outdoor
recreational
space
for
each
child.
B
In
addition,
such
facilities,
child
support,
adequate
off
street
parking
and
a
suitable
plan
for
loading
and
unloading
of
children
applicant
will
regularly
utilize
both
levels
of
the
2,860
square
foot.
Single-Family
dwelling
for
the
daycare
business.
The
property
surpasses
the
minimum
square
footage
of
the
interior,
foyer
and
outdoor
recreation
space
required
up
for
up
to
12
children
per
city
ordinance.
Miss
Peterson
is
a
registered
with
the
state.
B
A
B
A
B
C
A
D
A
D
A
B
Yes,
again:
applicants
application
was
submitted,
requesting
constructor
nine
California
540
square
foot.
Addition
onto
the
existing
non-conforming
commercial
building
located
in
the
c3
highway
commercial
district
structure,
proposed
to
be
constructed,
9.2
feet
from
the
East
property,
nine,
where
40
is
required.
Twelve
point,
six
from
the
side,
north
property
line
or
20-foot
is
required.
B
As
you
guys
can
see,
is
basically
there's
an
existing
structure
here.
That's
already
here
and
he's
the
applicant
is
requested
to
add
30
feet
more
to
come
this
way
for
additional
office
space
for
the
business
that
is
currently
being
presided
there
again.
This
was
public
notice.
There
was
no
no
contacts
pro
or
con
to
the
issue.
C
B
G
B
B
A
B
B
H
A
I
B
A
We
got
an
80-foot
right
away
there
and
he
wants
to
be
nine
feet
from
his
own.
If
it
was
a
66
foot
right
away,
he'd
have
seven
more
feet
to
work
with,
plus
is
nine
you
be
at
sixteen
seven
he'd
be
17
feet
off.
You
know,
I
always
kind
of
look
at
these
and
I
feel
bad
for
people
that
have
that
double
front
yard,
because
it's
a
functions
as
a
side
yard.
But
it's
subject
to
a
40-foot
front
yard
setback.
J
B
H
H
A
A
A
K
F
F
F
F
A
A
I
L
M
A
A
To
amend
the
agenda,
get
motion
by
mr.
stone
Berger.
Second
second
by
mr.,
was
it
McGuire
mr.
McGuire,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion
carries
first
item?
Is
the
approval
of
agenda
could
I
get
a
motion
in
a
second
I
got
improve
the
agenda
first,
most
women,
so
burger
second
by
mr.
Arnold,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion.
Carries
second
item?
Is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
May
18th
2017
motion
motion
by
mr.
Arnold,
saying
by
mr.
McGuire,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
motion.
L
Okay,
so
the
petitioners
Karen
Jones,
Rodney,
Mack
and
kmac-
are
the
acting
agents
for
the
estate
of
Roger
Mack
being
the
owner
of
the
property.
Jaime
Andrews
is
the
vice
president
of
J&J
earthworks
and
he
is
the
applicant
and
developer.
The
background
to
this
development
is
the
applicant
submitted
plans
on
May,
8th,
2017,
requesting
approval
of
Valley
View
addition
phase.
1
of
this
development
was
brought
to
and
approved
by,
the
planning
commission
for
annexation
and
zoning
on
May
18th.
L
Some
facts
about
the
subdivision:
the
adjacent
zoning
designations
are
r1,
single-family
residential
to
the
south
and
r2
single-family
attached
resident
to
the
east
valley
view
edition
proposed
zoning
is
our
one
single-family
residential,
our
two
single-family
attached
residential
and
our
three
multi-family
residential
district.
So
variations
of
residential
uses
in
this
subdivision,
the
that's
all
the
regulations
for
the
different
districts
and
their
maximum
Heights
front
yard,
side,
yard,
rear
yard
setbacks.
L
The
total
area
involved
is
approximately
one
hundred
and
thirty
eight
point:
six
four
acres.
There
will
be
eighty
three
acres
of
our
one:
zoning
0.63
acres
of
our
two
zoning
and
seven
point:
four,
two
acres
of
our
three
zoning.
There
are
thirty
four
point:
one:
nine
acres
of
dedicated
right-of-way,
there's,
six
acres
for
storm
water,
detention
out;
Lots
the
park
and
recreational
trail.
Right-Of-Way
encompasses
seven
point:
three
one
acres
there
are
there's
proposed
66
foot
right-of-way,
in
conformance
with
adjacent
developments,
also
in
conformance
with
city
standards,.
L
L
L
Sidewalks
are
proposed
to
be
constructed
along
each
side
of
every
street,
in
conformance
to
chapter
24,
zero.
Five,
one,
zero
flood
plain
is
not
present
on
site,
however
preserved
wetlands
will
need
to
be
addressed
with
enhancement
provisions
outlined
and
regulated
through
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
the
developers
requesting
to
dedicate
the
regional
storm
water,
detention
to
the
city
of
Watertown
and
the
developer
is
requesting
to
dedicate
the
park
and
pedestrian
trail
outlets
to
the
city
of
Watertown.
The
park
locations
were
approved
by
the
Park
Board
on
April
25th
2017.
L
Some
staff
concerns,
as
the
developer
is
requesting
to
be
reimbursed
for
the
construction
of
the
pedestrian
trail
through
the
proposed
development.
The
issue
could
be
addressed
during
development
agreement
at
planning
stage,
depending
on
board's
consensus.
The
present
information
of
as
a
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plan
or
the
swip
before
the
grading
permit
is
issued
will
be
required,
and
at
this
point
it
is
unsure
which
utility
company
will
be
providing
the
water
service
to
the
subdivision.
N
Good
afternoon
I'm
John
Wiles
I
represent
John
Tesh
and
I'm
gonna
share
my
time
with
John
and
with
Jack
little
as
we
address.
This
I
had
no
idea
what
a
Donnybrook
had
start
with
the
letter
that
I
sent
to
Shane
outlining
the
issues
that
we
see.
But,
quite
frankly,
most
of
those
issues
had
not
been
addressed
when
that
letter
was
sent.
N
Helms
report
was
received
yesterday
at
about
4
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
and,
if
you
don't
have
the
Helms
report,
we're
really
at
a
disadvantage
in
explaining
what's
going
on
with
the
hydrology
and
the
drainage
issues
that
we
have.
I
am
also
going
to
assume
that
if
you
don't
have
the
helm
study
that
you
don't
have
any.
J
N
A
L
N
Point
is
it
wasn't
made
available
until
June,
1
and
I
think
Justin.
You
addressed
that
in
your
your
contributions
to
the
letter
about
having
a
deliberation
period
of
time.
That
the
point
is
is
that
we
didn't
get
a
copy
of
that
until
June
1
and
we
didn't
get
a
copy
of
what
Helms
is
preside
provided
until
yesterday
and
by
the
time
I
wrote
that
letter
on
May
22nd
BN
had
not
been
notified
at
all,
I
notified
BN
I
talked
to
Larry
Sandra's.
N
Brandy
has
talked
about
what
is
in
fact
being
set
back
in
terms
of
right
away.
It's
a
little
over
34
acres.
The
detention
outlets
are
six
acres.
Recreation
trail
is
15
acres,
but
that
did
not
address
the
issue
that
I
had
with
15
additional
acres
that
are
taken
out
of
the
drain
field,
if
you
will,
by
the
houses
that
are
going
to
be
constructed
in
there.
So
if
we've
got
a
130
acre
plat,
we
got
56
acres
that
are
being
taken
out
of
drainage.
N
That
causes
us
a
problem
and
the
city's
actions
or
inaction.
If
you
will
proceeds
our
concern,
you
get
Cherry
Street
and
you
get
people
that
are
up
in
arms
over
having
man-made
sloughs
in
their
backyard.
You've
got
a
man-made
slew
right
across
the
street
from
our
brand
new
middle
school
I'm
waiting
for
some
kid
to
fall
in
that
over
on
what
was
it
Broadway
in
14th
you
have
another
slew,
that's
been
developed
to
take
care
of
water.
N
N
If
you
walk
through
that
report,
you
will
find
that
it
challenges
very
specifically
a
number
of
the
findings
that
are
set
forth
in
the
Assam
report.
I
mean
and
at
words
like
seems
appropriate.
There's
missing
data
I
can
walk
through
each
of
the
areas
that
are
discussed,
but
I
want
you
to
do
that.
You
can
read
it
as
well
as
I
can,
but
the
long
and
the
short
of
it
is
is
that
they
find
the
Assam
proposal
to
be
very
preliminary.
We
don't
even
know
anything
about
the
design
of
the
they
call
them.
N
N
Brandy
indicated
that
we've
got
some
extreme
variations
in
levels
and
what
you're
doing
with
this
property-
and
we
don't
object
to
the
development,
but
we
object
to
it
not
being
done
properly
and
if
you're
going
to
change
the
volume,
the
direction
and
the
speed
of
water
come
in
our
direction,
then
we
want
to
know
what
you're
going
to
do
about
it,
because
we
don't
want
Cherry
Street.
We
don't
want
to
have
a
giant
pond
sitting
in
our
backyard
across
from
the
middle
school.
N
We're
asking
that
the
board
take
the
precautions
and
do
the
proper
engineering
to
make
that
something
that
does
not
happen.
You've
got
my
calculation
57
pages
of
reference
to
your
best
management
practices
here,
a
number
of
which
I
do
not
believe
have
been
met.
I'll
give
you
an
example:
do
you
see
any
access
in
our
ingress
or
egress
in
to
the
property
owned
by
touch?
There's,
nothing
and
I
think
these
management
practices,
don't
let
you
land
lock
somebody
and
if
you're
gonna
be
in
charge
of
this,
then
you've
got
to
use
your
own
rules.
N
The
design
that
you've
got
doesn't
meet
your
best
management
practices.
The
drainage
stuff
that
you've
got
was
a
oh
we're,
not
gonna,
really
get
after
this
stuff
until
after
the
plant
is
approved,
and
that's
the
heart
of
the
problem
that
we
have
in
watertown.
That's
why
we
have
Cherry
Street,
that's
why
we
have
neighbors
that
are
very
upset
with
the
city
about
drainage
problems,
and
we
want
to
avoid
that
here,
especially
because
this
other
than
River
Ridge
is
the
first
time
that
you're
looking
at
a
plant.
That's
not
unlevel
ground.
N
Okay,
you've
got
a
number
of
issues
that
Helms
brings
up
that
need
to
be
addressed
before
you
can
tell
me
that
you
can
tell
John
Besh
that
his
property's
not
going
to
be
inundated
that
you
can
tell
the
Burlington
Northern
that
we're
not
going
to
take
out
their
main
line
for
hauling
out
ethanol
on
a
Watertown
by
using
their
railroad
track
as
a
debt
as
a
dam.
None.
K
A
N
N
A
That'd,
be
fine,
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
we
we've
looked.
We
looked
through
this
and
I
see
that
there
is
some
drainage
issues
and
we're
not
going
to
we're
not
going
to
take
this
lightly
and
try
to
ramrod
through
or
move
something
through.
I
just
want
to
hear
from
the
other
side,
because
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
the
helm
side
or
our
own
engineering
side.
Yet.
O
O
This
is
a
sump
pump
in
my
basement.
The
house
was
constructed
in
1984
that
sump
pump
is
round
once
and
that
sump
pump
ran
in
1997
when
it
was
the
flood
of
the
biggest
who
river.
So,
obviously,
that
was
groundwater
and
not
water,
coming
from
up
above
ground
off
the
rooftop,
from
up
the
hill
etc.
As
soon
as
that
river
subsided,
that
sump
pump
quit
running,
and
it
has
not
run
since.
O
This
picture
here
is
from
my
yard.
You
can
see
this
arrow.
This
is
retention.
Pond
see
it's
directly
east
of
my
house
and
it's
higher
in
elevation
than
my
house.
The
natural
flow
of
that
here's
retention
pond
see
like
I,
said
it's
directly
east
of
my
house.
This
is
my
hay
field,
which
is
adjoining
the
property
in
34
years
of
living.
There
I
have
never
experienced
water
flow
through
this
field
we
plant
a
crop
on
there
every
spring.
We've
never
had
an
issue
with
that.
O
A
A
O
O
O
O
O
Maybe
mr.
Waterman
can
help
out
that
it's
supposed
to
discharge
at
a
certain
rate.
Well,
this
thing
discharges
all
the
time
from
what
I
can
see.
I
measured
this
with
my
rangefinder
there's
550
feet
of
soggy,
completely
saturated
ground
with
cattails
that
make
its
way
from
that
pond
all
the
way
down
to
14th
Avenue.
O
This
is
not
what
I'm
looking
for
in
my
field
that
that's
just
I'd
like
to
make
that
point
that
if
you
hold
water
back
uphill
directly
east
of
my
house,
the
water
may
not
flow
out
the
overflow
pipe.
But
it's
very
sandy
ground
and
I
do
understand
that
soil
does
reach
a
saturation
point
to
where
it'll
go
right.
Underneath
if
I
put
a
handful
of
sand
in
my
hand
and
you
dump
water
on
top,
it
may
not
go
over
top.
O
One
point
I'd
like
to
ask
some:
maybe
somebody
can
answer
my
question
from
this
middle
school
pond
and
the
five
hundred
and
fifty
yards
of
saturated
cattail
ground
that
water
goes
underneath
14th
Avenue
and
it
enters
the
Great
Plains
Lutheran
High
School
soccer
field
that
field
they
mow.
They
mow
it
every
week
they
play
soccer
on
it.
Why?
Because
there's
piping
and
there's
there's
underground
structure
to
take
that
water
away
the
guy
who
designed
that
is
an
out-of-state
guy
who
has
kids
going
to
that
school?
O
He
would
he
would
have
it
no
other
way
than
to
do
it
that
way.
So,
when
we
had
that
five
inch
rain
last
summer,
six
inches
whatever
we
had
our
big
rain,
this
middle
school
pond
discharged
all
the
water
down
into
that
Great
Plains
Lutheran,
High
School
soccer
field.
It
was
there
for
less
than
24
hours.
It
is
designed
as
a
holding
pond.
You
can
see
that
there's
berms
there's
two
different
holding
ponds
in
there,
but
the
water
was
completely
gone
in
24
hours.
That's
what
I'm
looking
for
gentlemen!
P
O
Street
and
Cherry
Street
now
I,
don't
I'm
not
in
the
city.
I,
don't
particularly
have
any
interest
in
what
goes
on
in
the
city,
because
I
don't
get
to
vote
for
anything
in
the
city.
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
it.
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
city
problems
or
the
water
issues
from
this
property.
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
I,
don't
think
I
should.
O
O
This
picture
shows
it
right
here
where
this
tree
is,
you
can
see
that's
what
you
consider
the
natural
waterway
I
cross
that,
with
a
tractor
every
spring,
April
10th
this
year,
April
15th
last
year,
tractor
equipment,
I
drive
across
it.
I've
never
had
an
issue
with
it
matter
of
fact.
This
weekend,
I'll
mow
that
and
that's
going
to
be
hey,
that's
not
cattails!
It's
hey!
It's
grass
never
had
an
issue,
so
the
proposed
pond
D
is
going
to
be
held
behind
that
and,
as
you
can
see,
that
draw
or
ravine
whatever
you
want
to
call.
O
O
Let
me
show
you
this
picture
this
area
right
here
is
the
area
in
between
pond
D
and
C.
This
area
does
not
slope
towards
either
of
the
ponds
it
slopes
directly
to
my
property,
which
means
it's
not
gonna.
It's
not
going
to
retain
any
of
the
water
in
either
of
those
ponds
as
it
drains
which
I
see
an
issue
there
too
now,
and
maybe
maybe.
O
Can
back
me
up
on
this
the
reason
that
this
ground
has
never
shed
any
water
is
because,
if
we
all
went
for
ride
in
the
pickup
right
now,
we
get
bounced
out
of
the
seat
at
a
half
a
mile
an
hour.
It's
so
rough,
it's
CRP
grass
and
it's
always
been
CRP
grass.
My
grandfather
rented,
that
for
pasture
in
1955.
O
The
Mac,
the
Mac
farm,
which
would
be
the
old
tree
farm,
is
where
the
cattle
had
to
come
to
get
water
and
he
had
to
fill
the
tank
up
for
them
to
drink.
So
there
there's
never
been
any
water
shed
or
run
across
our
property.
From
that
now,
as
I
look
on
this
helmed
report,
it
says
drainage,
coefficients
pre
and
post
our
improper
range.
Well,
maybe
mr.
H
O
Same
which
one
is
that
there
you
see
it
says
the
same
thing
for
that
area
ceases:
drainage,
coefficients,
pre
and
post
are
improper
range.
Well,
my
question
is
what
what
is
that
coefficient,
because
that
kind
of
property
should
be
like
I
said
nearly
zero,
the
lowest
range
they
have
is
point
zero.
One
or
excuse
me,
zero
point,
one,
two,
zero
point:
three
well
I'm
just
curious
what
what
number
got
used
on
that,
because
if
it
was
short
grass
or
short
pasture
or
short
grass,
that
number
will
increase
now.
O
O
O
Prelim
information
was
provided
on
weird
design.
More
information
will
be
sought
during
final
outflow
structure.
There's
many
in
my
mind.
There's
many
red
flags
in
this
I
wish.
You
guys
could
see
it
because
I
sure
hope,
you'd
see
the
same
thing.
Hydrographs
and
pons
report
produced
using
the
software
indicated
storage
volume
to
be
appropriate
for
the
drainage
area.
These
storage
take
into
account
that
water
is
always
leaving
at
pre-development
rate.
There's
never
been
any
water
leave
at
pre-development
rate.
Thus
the
volume
can
be
reduced
from
the
full
100-year
design
volume.
Okay,
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
O
O
All
these
stars
are
my
mind,
something
to
be
very
concerned
about
area
be
impervious
areas
seem
accurate,
may
I
define
seem
to
appear
to
be
true
probable
or
evident
to
give
the
outward
appearance
of
being
or
pretend
to
be
well,
in
my
mind,
guys
in
your
line
of
work,
if
you're
close
is
that
good
enough
I
mean
something
like
this?
In
my
mind,
needs
to
be
pretty
doggone,
spot-on
or
I'm.
Gonna
have
big
problems.
O
J
Go
ahead,
yeah,
I'm,
just
I
know
a
lot
of
these.
My
name's
been
mentioned
several
times
in
that
dissertation
and
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
city
staff's
job
is
to
facilitate
design
review.
It's
not
my
design
to
defend
and
it
will
be
up
to
the
developer
and
their
engineer
to
refute.
Most
of
this
data
I
will
say
that
just
as
a
definition
of
our
stormwater
program
here
is
that
the
reason
and
granted
I
don't
go,
stand
out
there
at
the
during
every
rain
shower
and
measure
the
water.
That's
coming
off
this
hillside.
J
Nor
does
anybody
else.
So
what
we've
done
is
through
our
stormwater
manual
is
defined.
What
we
feel
as
standard
normal
criteria.
That's
provided
for
us
as
a
guideline
to
develop
these
stormwater
calculations
from
so
through
the
city's
process
and,
ultimately,
through
the
engineer
that
I
hired
to
help
us
review
these
calculations
when
he's
using
the
words
seem
in
up
here,
is
to
validate
the
ranges
that
are
chosen
by
the
design
engineers
to
make
sure
that
they
are
appropriate
for
the
area
that
we're
developing
both
pre
and
post-development.
So
they
are
looking
at
the
site.
J
Saying:
okay,
we
recognize
this
as
a
steep
hill.
It's
covered
with
grass.
We
have
to
do
our
use,
our
data
that
we
use
in
our
stormwater
manual
to
predict
what
we
think
the
runoff
is
going
to
be
before
the
land
is
developed.
Then
they
use
the
same
type
of
criteria,
albeit
with
you
know:
shorter
grass,
pavements
rooftops.
All
that
stuff
is
taken
into
consideration
for
the
post
development,
and
the
idea
is
that
the
site
can
always
release
the
pre
development
rate
of
water
continuously
through
the
site.
J
And
what
you
do
is
you
detain
the
difference
between
the
pre
development
and
the
post
development
water
and
you
release
it
at
the
same
rate
that
at
all
left
the
site?
I
cannot
argue
or
to
refute
the
fact
that
they
are
going
to
get
more
water,
because
that's
the
pros
and
cons
of
development,
there's
always
going
to
be
a
larger
volume
of
water.
But
historically
what
the
goal
is
is
to
not
release
the
water
in
a
different
rate
and
manner
then
on
to
the
downstream
property
owners.
Then
ever
got
it
before.
J
So
that's
what
the
goal
of
our
manual
is
and
that's
what
the
objectives
for
the
design
team
to
me
are
now
is
John.
Tesh
is
property
downhill
of
this
development?
Absolutely.
Has
it
always
been
absolutely
and
I
would
I
can't
say
for
fact,
I'm
not
gonna
call
John
a
liar,
but
I
would
bet
during
a
normal
rain,
shower
that
some
water
does
leave
the
site
and
make
it
onto
his
property.
I
cannot
believe
that
zero
water
ever
leaves
the
site,
then
also
the
so.
J
Our
goal
is
to
release
the
water
at
the
same
rate
as
it
does
today
after
the
site's
developed.
The
other
thing
is
is
that
there
is
this
triangular
shaped
piece
of
land
that
John
Tesh
owns
immediately
to
the
east
or
west
of
our
of
the
development
proposed
development,
but
ultimately,
the
continuation
of
the
flow
of
the
water
is
dictated
by
the
position
and
the
size
of
the
culverts
under
the
Burlington
Northern
Santa,
Fe
Railroad,
so
how
that
water
gets
to
his
yard.
J
His
property,
where
his
buildings
are,
is
all
dictated
more
by
the
location
of
the
culverts
under
the
railroad
tracks
than
it
is
by
where
the
water
is
going
to
be
released
from
the
developed
property.
Now,
with
that
I'm
just
going
to
step
back,
it's
the
developer
and
his
engineers
that
needs
to
answer
the
design
questions
I
just
wanted
to
lay
the
groundwork
of
what
the
goals
and
the
purposes
of
our
process
are
and
again
we're
we're
tasked
with
reviewing
to
make
sure
that
we
think
that
it's
reasonable.
J
The
calculations
that
are
presented
by
the
design,
team
and
I
would
disagree
with
the
testimony
that
was
just
given.
That
Helms's
report
was
a
fairly
positive
one,
not
a
negative
one
and
there's
some
probably
minor
revisions
that
the
design
team
may
have
to
accommodate
for
to
perfect
their
information
and
with
that
I'll.
Let
them
carry
that
forward.
J
O
O
Everything
about
the
center
of
that
shelter
belt
north
goes
to
see
the
rest
of
it
goes
south
to
14th,
Avenue.
Ok,
the
BART
Ron
outlook
outlet,
Tamla
Fran
boys
owns
this
triangle
piece
right
in
here
that
water
comes
down
on
the
south
side
of
14,
there's
a
culvert
that
goes
underneath
14th
flows
to
the
north.
What
I'm
saying
is
these
two
culverts,
my
driveway
and
the
have
always
shed
the
water
from
the
north
side
and
the
south
side
of
14th
Avenue
and
never
had
any
issues.
Those.
O
O
My
point
there
is
those
two
culverts
mine
and
the
railroad
have
always
done
its
job.
So
if
you
cannot
change
the
volume
and
the
velocity
of
water,
how
are
those
two
going
to
keep
up?
How
are
those
two
going
to
do
the
job
now
after
you
lose
trees
and
all
of
this
structure
that
holds
and
absorb
the
water?
At
this
point,.
A
A
G
For
the
drainage
on
this
piece
of
property
here
and
just
for
some
information
for
you
to
write
that
just
for
some
information,
the
pipe
is
under
14th
Avenue
is
a
60
inch
pipe
or
a
5
foot
diameter.
Is
that
correct
right
and
then
that's
what
flows
underneath
the
towards
the
railroad
to
them
twin
30-inch
pipes
and
then
goes
under
the
driveway
as
well
now
in
removing
them
Trotter.
G
Comes
right
here
from
the
south
side
of
14th,
along
Tom,
Lee
round
boys
property,
and
then
it
runs
to
the
north
under
culvert
right
there,
and
then
it
runs
under
these
twin
culverts
right
here
and
now
that's
under
John's
property
there.
Now
this
tree
line
is
talking
about
it's
about
right
up
in
here.
You
know
it
runs
all
the
way
here.
You
can
kind
of
see
the
outline
of
them
trees
with
these
light
lines
right
there
and
the
drainage
does
run
this
way
now
down
in
this
area.
There's
like
a
two-stage
process.
G
That's
going
on
here!
We
know
there's
an
upper
pond
here
where
the
bike
trail
comes
across,
like
this
then
loops
around
then
there's
another
pond
down
in
here,
and
this
is
how
we're
staging
it
out
so
that
we
keep
that
water
flow
to
what
we
call
the
pre
developed
after
everything
is
developed,
which
is
called
post
developed
areas.
R
C
G
G
C
S
K
It
doesn't
see
this
this
property
a
little
bit
different
than
Cherry
Creek,
we'll
talk
about
that
later.
Cherry
Creek
was
a
slough
and
all
this
loot
growing
up
on
a
farm.
It
was
a
slough
and
it's
still
a
slough
that
water
probably
could
have
gotten
out
of
that
Slough
if
it
could
have
flown
underground
through
a
storm
water
pipe.
But
now
it
sets
on
top
of
the
ground
right.
But
is
there
a
reason
why
we
try
to
keep
it
on
top
versus
under.
S
R
E
G
Like
doing
I
don't
accept
their
alive,
there's
water
runoff.
You
may
not
be
standing
there
to
see
it
or
things
like
that.
But
during
a
rainstorm
I
mean
you
know,
you
know,
there's
water
running
down
them
hills
and
stuff,
but
you
probably
just
don't
see
it
that
much
in
that
area
because
that's
grassed
over
and
things
like
that
are.
G
K
K
U
K
O
Break
I
want
to
have
a
crack
at
it.
It
was
full
of
water.
I
went
out
in
the
pasture
and
I
dug
a
rock
I'm.
Gonna
say
it
was
40
pounds
that
it
blew
out
there,
but
my
point
is
that
it's
always
done
the
job
pre-development
and
that's
shedding
water
from
north
and
south
side
of
14th
Avenue
going
up
the
hill.
So
yes,
there
there's
water
that
does
run
through
there
in
a
big
rainstorm,
but
going
back
to
the
pond
C
and
D,
it's
very
sandy
ground.
O
So
maybe
that
water
just
soaks
up
and
that's
why
I
never
see
it
run
it's
a
tilled
field.
Maybe
it
soaks
it
up.
My
only
point
on
those
two
is
I've:
never
had
an
issue
accessing
or
driving
out
there
whatsoever
in
the
spring
of
the
year,
like
I,
said
the
the
waterway
in
retention
pond
D
it's
going
to
get
mowed
this
weekend
and
I
know.
I
won't
have
an
issue
of
driving
right
on
through
it
that
that's
just
my
biggest
point
on
those
two.
K
T
K
I
O
I
I,
don't
ever
have
any
issues
with
it,
because
that
water
that's
fairly
good
slope
and
it's
a
fairly
straight
water
way
and
the
water.
The
water
goes
through
there
quite
nice
and
it
makes
its
way
to
the
river
and
and
that's
also
a
field.
We
hae
and
we've
never
never
had
any
issues
with
it.
You
know
it
might
be
wetter
or
I,
don't
want
to
say
a
wet.
You
can
see
evidence
that
there
was
water
in
there,
but
I
can
still
drive
through
it
with
no
issues.
O
O
The
safety
of
these
holding
ponds,
okay,
you're,
proposing
I'm,
putting
a
bike
trail
or
a
walking
trail,
which
in
essence,
is
gonna,
go
right
over
the
top
right
next
to
both
of
these
holding
ponds.
Now
it's
not
mine,
it'll
be
the
city's
right.
It's
it's
none
of
my
concern,
but
if
you
could
turn
those
into
a
dry
dam
like
the
Great
Plains
lutheran
school
well,
in
my
mind,
the
city
has
a
lot
better
property.
O
R
R
O
Why'd
those:
how
wide
are
those
drawers,
let's
call
them
a
draw.
How
wide
are
they?
Okay,
if
water
does
make
it
to
the
bottom?
You've
got
an
area
like
this.
That's
holding
that
water,
that's
soaking,
that
water
up
after
you
put
your
holding
pond
in
now.
It's
got
a
discharge
pipe
now
you
invert
that
and
you're
draining
that
water
like
this,
so
that
water
is
going
to
be
specifically
coming
out
of
one
area
and
you're
gonna
have
increased
flow
and
volume.
O
There's
no
way
around
it
that
when
that
pond
fills
up
it's
gonna
discharge
out
one
pipe
and
there
it
goes
so
pre
and
post-development.
How
can
you
say
that
they're
acceptable
and
they're
the
same
when,
when
all
that
water
is
going
to
be
in
one
spot,
and
it's
gonna
be
coming
out
in
in
a
concentrated
area
compared
to
that
big
wide
area?
You
can
see
it
right
there,
though
they're
they're,
a
big
triangle
that
water
has
a
big
area
to
make
its
way
into
the
ground
and
work
its
way.
O
Water
follows
gravity,
whether
it's
above
ground
or
below
ground.
So
that's.
My
point
is:
you're
inverting,
a
triangle
that
you're
gonna
bring
it
out
in
one
spot
and
now,
once
you
dump
it
out
on
that
spot
now,
you're
gonna
require
my
field
to
soak
it
up
in
this
big
area
again,
which
is
gonna
cause
a
problem
in
my
mind
that
that's
what
I?
That's,
how
I
see
it
guys
I,
don't
know
you
tell
me.
F
F
R
A
K
The
water
would
run
times
it
was
wet,
it
was
tough
getting
across,
but
I
could
get,
but
today,
after
that's
been
done,
the
way
it
was
done.
Like
you
said,
those
ponds
are
dry
and
they're
hard
and
our
property
at
the
church.
You
can
get
through
it
anytime
you
want
to,
and
that
lies
south
of
those
ponds.
So
there
must
be
a
way
to
do
it.
Yeah.
G
K
K
G
Comment
that
John
was
talking
about
it's
Area
C,
that's
right
to
the
east
of
his
house.
There
we
are
looking
at
taking
the
Audrina
to
the
south
in
that
area.
You
know
to
kind
of
follow
along
the
railroad
tracks
as
well,
so
but
we're
very
sensitive
to
the
volume
of
water
for
post,
pre
and
post
design
of
this,
so
that
we
don't
want
to
cause
any
problems
downstream.
S
H
G
Got
that
information
from
the
railroad
company
what
they
require
for
submittals
on
that,
and
they
also
has
which
programs
that
they
would
allow
to
use
on
it
for
the
analysis
of
that
and
they
also
have
free
board.
You
got
a
look
at
water
depths
and
everything
on
that,
so
they
are
sensitive
to
it
as
well
as
we
are.
C
G
G
A
O
Guys,
if
I
can
real
quick,
there
is
a
sanitary
sewer
that
runs
along
the
property
line,
mm-hmm
that
facilitates
the
hoff
Teezer
addition
to
the
north,
the
north
end
of
the
field
that
manhole,
if
you
take
that
cover
off
its
22
feet,
deep
to
get
to
the
bot
to
get
to
that
sanitary
sewer.
It's
it's
right
on
the
edge
of
our
field,
it's
22
feet
down
to
the
bottom
of
that
sewer.
O
You
go
out
to
14th
Avenue,
it's
4
feet
deep,
so
that'll
explain
to
you
the
slope
of
that
and
how
they
had
to
design
that
to
get
there.
What
I'd
like
to
see,
is
you
put
another
one
right
beside
it?
You
go
from
D
to
C,
get
it
out
to
the
road
yeah,
we'll
figure,
something
out
to
get
it
to
the
river
sure,
but
in
my
mind,
that
would
be
the
cheapest
and
easiest
way
around
this.
A
J
A
J
So
what
I'm
saying
is:
there's
probably
multiple
culverts
that
receive
all
the
water
that
would
run
off
this
hill
say
now
and
distribute
it
through
different
points
on
the
in
route
to
the
Big
Sur
River.
If
you
now
take
all
of
those
and
focus
them
back
to
the
one
location,
that's
going
to
give
them
design
concerns
about
concentrating
will
hunter
even
more
than
multiple
outlets,
so
they
can
weigh
into
it.
They
can
look
at
the
design.
A
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
move
forward
with
any
of
the
other
things
inside
that
preliminary
plan.
Until
we
get
the
drainage
side
handled
I
mean
we
got
to
get
one
before
we
can
do
anything
else,
I
think
as
I
look
at
it
is,
you
know,
you
know
some
of
the
notes.
I
wrote
is
you
know,
I
have
some
questions
on
the
holding
ponds,
the
type
of
holding
ponds?
Are
they
going
to
be
like
the
Great,
Plains,
Lutheran
or
they're,
going
to
be
more
of
a
slough
like
we
have
to?
A
We
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
drainage
across
there
in
the
years
and
we
surely
don't
want
to
make
a
mistake
and
accidentally
start
draining
water
across
that
guy's
property.
Once
it's
developed
there
to
the
South
in
a
perfect
world,
we
developed
to
the
north
and
would
finish
it
to
South.
In
this
particular
case,
someone's
been
living
on
that
property
and
has
a
family
in
a
business
there
and
now
we're
going
to
develop
on
the
other
side
of
them
on
the
upstream
side,
I
think
we've
got
to
be
sensitive
of
everybody
in
there.
A
G
A
I
truly
believe
everybody
want
I.
Believe
John
is
okay
with
a
development
north
of
him.
He
doesn't
have
a
problem
with
it
whatsoever.
It
just
needs
to
be
done.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
cross
our
T's
dot
our
eyes
everything's
done
correctly
and
and
I
sure
the
developers
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
neighbors
to
the
south.
Also
I.
G
G
A
A
90%
of
the
time
the
developers
are
saying
we're
hard
to
work
with
you
know,
but
it
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
board
to
take
a
look
at
the
Helms
report
and
do
a
little
homework
on
these
coefficients
and
take
a
look
at
that
property
and
see
what
alternatives
we
do
have
to
move
that
water
around
the
property
or
through
the
property
where
they
can
agree
on.
If
you
have
a
question
need
to
come
up
to
the
microphone
state,
your
name.
I
V
My
name
is
Larry
horse,
Meyer
and
I.
Just
in
that
I
know,
you've
been
busy
mostly
about
the
holding
ponds
or
whatever,
on
the
west
side
of
this
property
and
I
would
just
like
to
make
mention
of
the
fact
that
that
one
holding
pond
on
the
north
end
of
this
addition,
the
big
one,
the
green
behind
there
or
whatever
happens
to
be
right
behind
my
home
and
when
you're
planning
to
decide
how
to
drain
that,
how
to
drain
those
to
the
west
there's
a
big
one
which
is
directly
behind
my
home
Randy.
T
V
A
A
J
Not
okay,
holding
pond
is
not
a
great
term
to
use
what
it
is.
Is
we
create
a
burnt
dope?
Okay,
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
the
design
team
completely,
but
the
premise
of
what
they've
shown
us
is
that
there's
going
to
be
an
earthen
dam
built
across
that
ravine
on
their
side
of
the
property
line,
and
it
will
have
an
outlet
pipe
that
would
be
sized
to
accommodate
the
flow
that
exists
underneath
the
roadway
in
that
culvert
that
goes
through
and
I
I
guess,
I
can't
point
to
it.
J
Brandy
might
be
able
to,
but
there's
a
culvert
that
goes
underneath:
20th
Avenue,
so
they're
gonna
release
the
water
from
that
other
pond
as
they're,
describing
it
to
me
anyway,
at
the
same
rate
that
that
pipe
can
take
it.
So
they'll
hold
the
water
back.
It's
called
a
bounce,
it's
a
completely
dry
pond.
Then
it
starts
to
rain
and
as
the
water
comes
into
that
pond,
it
fills
up
on
it.
K
J
J
You
won't
have
any
issues
with
the
rest
of
this
well
across
the
somebody's,
but
but
if
there's
no
issues
with
that,
that's
kind
of
what
I
would
expect
for
the
rest
of
this
now
granted
it's
up
to
the
design
team
to
properly
design
these
structures,
earthen
berms,
to
hold
back
the
water
and
release
it
at
the
appropriate
rates
to
the
downstream
properties.
So
that's
the
premise
of
our
design
criteria
that
the
city
reviews
and,
of
course,
it's
up
to
to
whoever
the
developers
design
team
is
so
you're
right.
J
We'll
have
the
same
exact
considerations
for
your
properties
to
the
north
as
right
as
we
do
with
mr.
tesha's
property.
So
we
we
have
to
approach
all
of
these
ponds
and
their
outlets
the
same,
no
matter
which
direction
they're,
leaving
the
property.
So
with
that
I
guess,
if
there's
other
specific
questions
from
the
design
team,
but
that's
what
we're
trying
to
ensure,
as
our
review
is
that
they
they
meet
that
criteria.
Okay,
thank.
A
W
W
Which
I
understand
this
is
definitely
a
kind
of
a
big
undertaking
and
in
development,
but
it
will
be
phased
we're
not
just
gonna
go
in
and
and
put
in
300
Lots
in
one
shot
it's
gonna
be
roughly.
The
first
phase
would
be
roughly
60
Lots,
which,
like
same
said,
it's
got
to
go
forth
to
it
in
front
of
him
for
approval
when
it
does
get
to
that
point.
So
I
guess,
if
we're
being
a
bad
neighbor
to
mr.
W
Tashiro
other
folks
in
in
the
first
round,
where
we're
probably
looking
at
this
could
be
a
8
10,
maybe
12
year,
project
based
on
on
lot
sales.
So
you
know
I,
guess
where
I'm
going
with
it
is
just
so
everybody
understands
it's
not
all
going
to
happen
at
once.
Where
he's
talking
to
the
north
that
detention
pond
at
the
gentlemen,
I
was
up
here
before
me.
Pardon
me:
I
didn't
catch
your
name,
but
you
know
that
that
maybe
8
to
10
years
down
the
road.
L
W
U
X
X
X
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
infiltration
numbers
that
were
used
up
there,
but
I
can't
imagine
how
much
rain
you
to
have
to
get
before
it
really
would
start
running
out
of
there,
because
everything
square-foot
this
has
got
a
detention
spot
in
it
and,
as
you
come
to
the
crest
of
the
hill
and
down
the
hill,
that
looks
like
all
brown
grass
to
me
too
and
I
don't
know.
Does
anybody
know
that
that
just
stays
there
all
summer?
It's
been.
X
X
X
A
I'll
make
a
note
of
that,
because
that
that
was
one
of
the
questions
I
had
that
I
was
writing
down
as
to
the
type
of
it.
What
type
of
the
current
ground
cover
versus
the
new
ground
cover
and
what
you're
saying
is
the
way
that
grass
was
put
in
up
there
there's
multiple
because
of
the
chisel
plowing
up
there.
It's
it's
not
just
normal.
It's
not
Kentucky
bluegrass!
On
a
on
a
on
a
flat
lawn
up
there,
it's
okay,
we'll
make
a
note
of
that.
X
X
I
D
T
S
S
Also
live
at
River,
Ridge
and
I
wanted
to
jump
on
to
the
person
before
me.
It's
block
12,
where
there's
misaligned
it's
kind
of
a
cluster
lot
boundaries.
You
have
12
lots
against
11.
Why?
Don't
you
just
have
11
against
11
you'd
have
22
happy
landowners
instead
of
23
angry
landowners
and
I'll.
Just
let
the
rest
of
my
letters
speak
for
the
other
issues
in
this,
and
it
looks
like
we'll
be
back
again.
Thanks.
W
A
I
appreciate
that
that's
something
a
lot
of
times
we'll
see
a
plant
and
it
doesn't
really
show
the
adjacent
Lots
across
the
street
exactly
lined
up.
We
definitely
want
to
try
to
make
it
so
it's
a
smooth
transition
between
developments.
A
motion
by
mr.
snowbarger
table
second
by
mr.
Stein,
do
I
have
a
any
discussion.
A
I
L
A
L
Okay,
so
the
the
petitioner
Greg
Hoff
teaser,
the
acting
agent
for
high
plains
development
corporation
incorporated
owner
of
the
property.
The
background
was
the
petitioner
submitted
plans
on
May
8th,
requesting
approval
of
an
updated
preliminary
plan
for
River
Ridge
Estates
addition
park.
Dedication
was
discussed
at
the
park
board
meeting
on
April
25th
2017,
where
dedication
proposals
were
approved
by
the
board
and
included
within
the
preliminary
plan.
L
Adjacent
zoning
designations
remain
as
AG
agricultural
district,
north
west,
east
and
south
river
ridge
estates
proposed.
Zoning
is
C,
3,
highway,
commercial
district,
r1
single-family
residential
district
and
our
three
multi-family
residential
district
and
one
second
well
I
just
pull
that
up.
So
we
can
refer
to
it.
L
L
L
The
total
development
area
is
a
hundred
and
sixty
seven
point.
Seven
acres,
the
r1
zoning
encompasses
fifty
point.
One
eight
acres,
our
three
zoning
is
two
point:
five,
seven
acres
c3
zoning
is
four
point:
nine
five
acres
and
park.
Dedication
is
eight
point.
Four
acres
which
meets
the
park
board's
requirement.
L
They're,
proposing
66
foot
right-of-way,
in
conformance
with
the
jacent
developments,
in
conformance
with
city
standards.
Sidewalks
are
proposed
to
be
constructed
along
each
side
of
each
of
every
street,
in
conformance
to
chapter
2400.
Five-10
floodplain
is
not
present
on
site
developer
is
requesting
to
dedicate
the
regional
storm
water
detention
outlets
to
the
city
of
Watertown
staff
concerns.
A
J
Likely
is
a
carryover
from
their
previous
plan
when
that
was
ultimately
planned
to
be
the
north
bypass
from
for
the
highway
state
highway
system,
and
that
plan
is
essentially
gone
away,
and
this
would
be
a
minor
arterial.
Collector
similar
to
14th
Avenue
is
what
we
would
anticipate
going
forward.
So
it
it
won't,
be
a
state
highway,
but
it
would
certainly
be
to
the
level
of
service
similar
to
14th
Avenue.
J
E
J
Well,
originally
that
was
pewdie
and
originally
we're
proposing
a
PUD
there
and
we
inform
them
of
what
the
arduous
and
high
standards
there
are
to
establish
the
PUD.
So
then
they
backed
it
down
to
a
r3,
but
you
are
correct
the
words
that
they
are
the
ideas
that
they
had
was
to
do
high-end
condos
up
in
that
area,.
I
M
First,
planning
district,
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
remind
you.
One
of
the
points
that
Commissioner
Stein
had
made
is
a
good
point
as
far
as
stair,
stepping
down
from
commercial,
high
density,
commercial
or
high
intensity
commercial,
as
is
on
that
corner
down
to
our
one.
However,
one
of
the
things
that
I
can
think
of
as
a
reason
why
they
would
show
that
as
our
three
and
don't
get
me
wrong,
it's
not
unheard
of
to
be
our
three
than
Darwin,
but
ideally
you
stairs
up
and
down.
A
Any
other
discussion,
one
thing
by
doing
that
they
can
always
like
Luke,
said
it's
not
the
easiest
thing,
but
we
can
move
that
zoning
as
they
actually
develop.
That
any
other
discussion
see
none
asked
for
a
vote
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
item.
Six
is
the
plot,
a
new
venture
third
edition.
L
L
The
adjacent
zoning
designation
is
C
3
highway
commercial
district,
new
venture
third
edition
proposed
zoning
is
also
C,
3
commercial
district,
commercial
district.
The
plan
will
create
six
Lots
proposed.
60-Foot
right-of-way
is
in
conformance
with
the
jacent
developments
and
city
standard
has
been
66-foot
for
public
right
of
ways.
L
36-Foot
public
streets
on
proposed
35th,
Street
southeast
and
proposed
7th
Avenue
South
East,
a
28-foot
private
drive
west
of
lot.
Six.
The
100-year
floodplain
is
not
present
on
site
detention.
Pond
is
required
to
hold
the
two-year
capacity
volume
for
the
Willow
Creek
watershed
staff
has
received
this.
L
This
says
staff
is
still
awaiting
the
report
or
final
review
of
the
storm
water
calculations.
We
hope
to
have,
and
we
have
received
the
report
that
is
available
for
presentation
at
the
meeting.
The
BMP
development
agreement
for
stormwater
pond
will
be
made
between
new
venture
Inc
and
the
city
to
ensure
maintenance
is
accounted
for.
C
L
A
J
Want
to
bring
up
I
mean
we.
When
you
approve
the
preliminary
plan,
it
was
contingent
upon
getting
all
the
final
stormwater
calculations
done.
We
did
receive
information
from
the
developer
and
their
engineer
regarding
that,
and
he
does
have
some
unique
storm
water
ponding
application
here,
they're,
primarily
going
to
be
infiltration
ponds
that
is
very
gravelly
sandy
soil
up
there
and
so
they're
in
the
process
of
feeding
us.
Those
calculations,
computations
and
I-
did
have
Helms
and
associates
assist
us
with
review
of
this
project
as
well.
J
Z
AA
AA
Q
E
A
C
A
J
Believe
and
I
can't
speak
for
mr.
Volkers,
but
I
think
his
intention
was
that
he
would
dedicate
those
over
to
the
city
with
easy
access
easements
at
some
point,
the
future.
But
if
not,
he
will
have
to
at
least
provide
us
access
to
inspect
and
review
those
ponds
so
that
we
do
have
a
subsequent
agreement
that
we
put
together
with
regard
to
that.
So
we
we
take
care
of
all
that
out.
A
A
J
L
I'm
gonna
read
the
background
of
this
ordinance.
Amendment
is
to
chapter
twenty
one:
sixty
five
of
the
revised
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Watertown
regarding
lake
parking
and
references
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
property
at
Lake,
comp
Eska.
This
language
was
added
to
the
existing
outside
storage
and
display
requirements,
those
that
list
specific
uses
for
residential,
commercial
and
industrial.
It
is
understandable
that
owning
a
lake
property
requires
more
equipment
that
is
necessary
to
store
a
park
at
various
times
of
the
year
and
I'll
turn
that
over
to
Ken
now
so.
B
We
took
this
to
the
City
Council
already
at
the
last
meeting
for
your
first
reading.
There
might
have
been
one
before
that
and
we're
just
tweaking
in
just
a
little
bit.
Basically,
anything
that
had
to
do
with
the
regular
car,
parking
and
stuff
is
already
covered
under
chapter
18,
so
we're
taking
those
references
off
and
just
leaving
them
at
18.
For
that
and
the
other
exception
is,
then
it
allows
commercial
vehicles
to
be
parked
in
front
of
the
property
as
long
as
they're
working
there.
B
So
if
you're
contracting
to
go
working
on
the
house
for
a
week,
you
don't
have
to
take
your
trailer
home
with
you
every
night.
That
was
my
thought.
That's
how
it
was
before,
but
this
just
clarifies
it
puts
it
into
a
final
context.
So
there's
no
no
question
and
a
couple
of
definitions
are
added
and
that's
it
can.
C
I
have
a
question:
the
allowable
storage,
parking
by
location,
front
yard,
lake
side,
outdoor
storage
is
prohibited,
exception,
November,
1st
to
October
or
April
30th
I.
Think
November,
1st
destroy
your
docks
and
boats
in
your
front
yard
is
a
little
restrictive
because
most
of
the
time,
October
things
freeze
up.
You
won't
have
your.
Can
you
blow
it
out
before
it
freezes
up
so
I
think
it
should
be
October
1st
versus
November
1st.
That's.
A
A
AB
I'm
Sara
Karen
I
have
a
comment:
I'm
sure
it's
not
the
intention.
This
has
to
do
with
the
definitions
that
you're,
adding
and
you're
not
really
addressing
that,
but
with
the
fog
line,
definition
I,
don't
think
it
says
it
here,
but
by
adding
that
fog
line
definition
saying
that
if
there
is
no
fog
line,
it's
the
edge
of
the
pavement
that
makes
it
illegal
to
park
on
the
pavement
and
for
the
lake.
That
would
include
everything
that
isn't
the
old
highway
139
or
the
collector
route
around
the
lake.
AB
So
like
palm
Pesce,
Drive
Hidden,
Valley,
Drive
the
whole
west
side
of
the
lake
that
is
called
Lake
Drive,
not
139
everything.
That's
on
the
lake
Sunset
Drive
Park
View,
where
I
live
in
the
300
block
of
North
Lake
Drive.
There
is
no
fog
line
in
those
local
streets,
and
so,
if
you
can't
what
the
ordinance
says
is:
there's
no
parking
within
3
feet
of
the
fog
line
and
if
there's
no
fog
line
then
use
the
edge
of
the
pavement.
AB
So
no
parking
within
3
feet
of
the
edge
of
the
pavement
means
you
can't
park
on
the
street
and
that's
I.
Have
a
problem
with
that,
and
if
this
applies
in
town,
this
would
be
anywhere
that
there's
no
curb
and
gutter
on
a
local
street.
So
if
you
could
somehow
swing
that
into
the
definition
that
it
only
applies
on
collector
routes
or
something
like
that,
cuz
I
think
that's
probably
the
intention
is
on
the
busy
streets.
K
AB
This
isn't
the
ordinance
that
addresses
that
this
is
off
street,
but
in
this
resolution,
you're
adopting
a
definition
which
says
fog
line.
If
there's
no
fog
line
then
use
the
edge
of
the
pavement,
and
that
will
have
ramifications
that
I'm
not
sure
you've
considered.
So
it
does
if
this
applies
everywhere
in
town,
not
just
the
lake,
it's
even
more
far-reaching.
If
you
can't
park
on
the
edge
of
the
pavement
you
can't
park
on
the
street
and
I'm
assuming
it
doesn't
apply
for
curb
and
gutter
streets
right.
No.
M
AC
AB
AC
AB
AB
AB
AC
J
We
were
I,
remember
the
discussion
in
part,
I
mean
it's
not
the
complete
discussion,
but
when
we
were
looking
at
the
fog
line
in
particular,
we
were
looking
at
some
properties
along
the
southern
edge
of
the
lake
along
South
Lake
Drive,
where
he
bench
essentially
the
driveways.
We
were
concerned
about
parking
and
the
proximity
of
a
rear
bumper
of
a
vehicle
relative
say
they
parked
right
up
against
their
garage.
J
J
AC
The
way
the
ordinance
reads
currently,
this
would
go
into
the
there's
really
a
definition
section
for
title
21,
so
it
would
apply
to
title
21
under
chapter
21
90,
the
provision
that
makes
reference
to
not
parking
on
a
street
with
the
fog
or
the
fog
line.
Provision
is
in
1800
or
would
be
in
1801
o1,
and
the
way
that
that
reads
is
no
motor
vehicle
or
other
vehicles
shall
be
parked
within
three
feet
of
the
white
fog
line
painted
on
the
road
and
that's
the
extent
of
that
provision
relative
to
the
fog
line.
AC
Now
fog
lines
are
commonly
defined
as
the
white
line
in
the
road,
so
obviously
I,
guess
I
would
recommend
for
legal
cleanup
purposes
that
that
be
struck
from
this
resolution.
But,
hypothetically,
if
it
were
adopted
by
this
body,
it
wouldn't
apply
to
the
definition
in
1801,
oh
one,
because
that
definition
is
420
190.
Thus
informing
zoning
law
not
on
street
parking,
but
I
think
you
know.
Miss
Karen's
point
is
very
well
taken
that
we
should
just
eliminate
that
definition
and
go
with
the
common
definition,
which
is
what
we
all
know
the
fog
line
to
be.
G
K
J
Not
splitting
hairs,
but
most
of
those
old
lake
homes
have
either
received
variances
or
we
were
built
so
close
to
the
roadway
that
we
don't
want
to
encourage
parking
on
the
road.
That's
only
30
some
feet
wide,
so
that
was
that
was
the
focus.
I
mean
I,
get
I
get
it,
but
so
many
of
those
garages
are
so
close
to
the
roadway
that
you're
only
going
to
be
a
little
limited
space
to
park
and
shouldn't
Park
on
the
roadway
right.
S
A
E
AC
AC
Generally
speaking,
the
extent
of
the
right-of-way
is
supposed
to
be
for
drainage
purposes
for
parking,
but
the
traveled
route
is
the
traveled
route,
and
you
know,
insofar
as
there
are
potentials
for
folks
to
park
on
what's
viewed
as
the
shoulder,
but
the
shoulder
by
parking
there
would
put
that
vehicle
in
an
unsafe
place
used
to
be
the
traveled
portion
of
the
road.
That
is
a
concern
and
I
guess
that
would
be.
AC
You
know
it's
maybe
a
concern
because
of
how
close
the
right-of-way
sets
to
a
lot
of
structures
out
there
and
the
fact
that
we
have
rather
narrow
rights
of
way
out
there
to
begin
with
so
I
mean
it's.
It
is
something
of
a
witch's
brew
in
terms
of
house
placement,
garage
placement,
Lots
and
the
the
width
of
the
right-of-way
out
there
I
think
yeah.
J
A
balance,
those
concerns
and
back
to
that
fog
line
and
I
think
a
lot
of
places
along
Salt,
Lake
Drive
in
particular.
The
property
line
is
almost
the
same
as
the
fog
line
I
mean
there
is
no
remaining
Boulevard
right
away
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
between
the
roadway
and
the
house,
or
only
enough
to
fit
one
car
in
there
and
the
idea
was
we
did
we
don't
want
something:
that's
a
truck
and
a
boat
parked
along
there
and
half
four
feet
of
the
boat
sticking
out
in
the
street.
That
was
how.
K
J
AB
F
AB
AC
So
to
clarify
miss
Karen,
that's
that's!
What
we're
getting
at
here
and
I
think
we've
come
to
something
of
a
consensus
here,
because
the
way
1801,
oh
one
reads-
is
for
residential
areas,
adjacent
to
Lake,
Camp,
Eska
or
Lake.
Pelican
no
motor
vehicle
or
other
vehicles
shall
be
parked
within
three
feet
of
the
white
fog
line
painted
on
the
road.
That's
so
it
would
apply
to
the
collector
streets
with
the
white
fog
lines.
It
would
not
apply
to
the
local.
T
I
B
A
B
B
AC
U
I
hum
Glenn
Larson
I
live
on
ourselves
like
trying.
You
haven't
addressed
parking
out
at
the
lake
around
Tabasco.
To
my
satisfaction,
any
help
and
part
of
this
reason
I
bring
it
up,
not
probably
have
another
problem
out
there.
Lately
is
parking
on
a
highway
right
away
and
it
all
stem
from
one
person.
Suppose
they
made
a
complaint
about
my
my
boat
trailers
parked
a
ditch
and
sheriff
and
and
the
police
department
they
both
said.
U
U
Said
yes,
I've
been
out
there
for
25
years,
I've
been
parking.
My
trailers
in
the
debts
and
I've
been
keeping
them
more
than
Baltimore,
and
things
like
this
been
picking
up
the
trash
and
stuff,
but
I
don't
find
nothing
than
your
ordinance.
That
says
the
people
around
the
link
I
know.
Last
year
we
talked
about
this
up
here
when
you
are
doing
an
organist
Rock
thought
that's
dressing
in
the
order
some
place,
but
I
can't
forgotten
about.
Yes,
you
could
park
along
the
highway
right
away,
sir.
We.
U
U
C
AC
U
A
We
have
I
think
what
they
were
talking
about
is
where
you
can
store.
You
know
for
as
far
as
the
zoning
ordinance
goes
you
can
park
in
your
driveway,
where
you
can
store
things.
We
limit
where
that
storage
is,
in
your
rear
yard,
front
yard,
side
yard,
but
as
far
as
where
you
can
store
boat
trailers,
we
can't
ever
give
you
the
authority
to
store
in
the
public
right
away.
We
don't
have
it.
This
board
doesn't
have
that
authority.