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A
C
A
A
The
second
item
is
the
applicants
Larry
hight
Marlin
West,
doing
business
Midland
Builders
permit
number
one
seven
four,
six
three
is
looking
for
conditional
use
to
construct
a
for
a
multi-family
housing
unit
in
an
r2,
a
single-family
district
and
I.
Don't
see
the
address
there.
Oh,
go
ahead.
Jill
all.
B
Right,
like
you
said,
Larry
hate
is
the
current
owner
or
the
seller,
and
they
proposed
the
the
buyer
would
be
Marlon
West
doing
business
as
Midland
Builders
the
address.
Well,
the
applicant
seeks
conditional
use
approval
for
the
construction
of
a
multi-family
structure
with
four
attached
dwelling
units
in
the
r2,
a
single-family
attached
residential
district
pursuant
to
21,
1804
and
21
1603
to
and
contingent
upon
compliance
with
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses,
including,
but
not
limited
to
21
Oh
OH
to
be
6a
through
H.
B
The
address
will
be
for
the
units
514
516
518
and
5
25th
Avenue
South,
East
staff
findings,
all
public
notice
requirements
have
been
met.
Three
and
four
family
dwellings
is
a
listed
conditional
use
in
the
r2
single-family
attached
residential
district,
the
definitions
of
the
proposed
plan.
They
meet
all
ordinance
definitions
for
such
a
facility,
multifamily,
attached
role,
townhouse
and
dwelling
units.
The
applicant
submitted
the
attached
site
plan,
which
reflects
or
does
not
reflect
the
following
requirements
of
the
ordinance.
Let
me
just
bring
that
up.
B
21:02
to
b6
a
through
H,
that
is
the
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses.
This
includes
ingress
and
egress
of
the
property
off
street
parking
and
loading
refuse
and
service
areas.
Utilities,
screening,
buffering
signage,
exterior
lighting
in
required
yards
and
open
space,
along
with
general
compatibility
of
the
neighborhood
chapter,
21
63
off
street
parking
and
loading
requirements
and
engineering
design
standards.
The
minimum
required
legal
off
street
parking
spaces
are
shown,
and
so
that
is
met.
Chapter
20,
165,
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
specific
uses.
B
Outside
storage
was
not
indicated
in
the
application,
but
21
6501.
The
chapter
of
the
ordinance
on
that
would
apply
landscape
and
lighting
standards.
Chapter
20
173,
the
site
plan
does
not
show
five
frontage
trees
that
are
required,
but
the
applicant
will
comply
titles,
5,
18,
21
and
24
sidewalk
trail
curb
and
gutter
and
subdivision
of
land.
The
proposed
parcel
is
a
merger
of
two
plaited
Lots,
for
which
development
lot
agreement
is
required
in
lieu
of
plaiting.
B
This
board
must
determine
if
satisfactory
provision
and
arrangement
has
been
made
concerning
2102
o2
to
be
six
a
through
H
and
the
chapters
and
titles
I
just
described.
If
application
is
endorsed,
the
Board
may
consider
conditions
of
approval,
such
as
limiting
outside
storage
parking,
paved
off
street
parking
spaces
and
or
any
other
conditions.
This
board
deems
necessary.
D
D
D
A
E
A
E
D
C
D
I
D
F
D
Can
cut
through
the
back
yard
but
I
I
pull
into
the
front
of
my
house:
I,
don't
pull
to
the
back,
usually
I
mean
I,
think
they're
just
gonna
park
on
the
street
and
run
through
the
front
door
and
that
Street
with
diamond
ball
park.
There
is
congested.
You
know
three
to
four
days
a
week
due
to
the
park
usage.
J
E
H
A
H
E
G
A
E
J
D
M
N
N
A
L
Clarification
on
what
the
engineering
side
of
the
extra
driveway
would
be
is
to
widen
the
two
existing
or
two
proposed
ones
to
include
concrete
adjacent
to
so
there's
still
only
two
driveways
I
don't
want
three
driveways
in
that
shortest
span
a
space
plus.
Then
it
still
would
allow
for
some
car
to
park
on
the
street
if
they
need
it
to
the
idea
is
we're
I
mean
we
encourage
on
street
parking
where
we
can
and
try
not
to
eliminate
it
completely.
Otherwise,
it
does
force
people
to
park
a
wave.
You
know
away
from
everything
so,
but.
D
A
A
L
A
L
A
By
ordinance,
okay,
a
motion
by
mr.
McGuire
do
I
have
a
second
second
by
mr.
Dahle.
Any
other
discussion
on
it.
Questions
see
none
asked
for
a
vote
all
in
favor,
say.
Aye
opposed
motion
carries
third
item
for
Holdings
LLC
doing
business
is
Westside
laundry
per
net.
Permit
number
174
six
for
seeking
a
conditional
use
approval
for
serving
alcohol
at
in
ac3,
highway
commercial
zone
at
seven,
eighth,
Street,
Southwest,
Jill.
B
The
owner
of
this
property
is
dan
Jensen
and
Dale.
Even
the
applicant
for
this
proposal
is
Westside
laundry
that
is
Jason
get
Jason
Getti
and
Shane
Thor
Stinson
doing
business
as
for
holdings.
They
run
the
laundromat
the
laundromat
in
this
building.
The
property
address
for
the
laundromat
is
seven
eighth,
Street
Southwest
the
north
end
here
is
802
West
Kemp.
B
The
applicant
appeals
the
terms
of
the
following
zoning
ordinance
regulations,
chapter
20,
163,
off-street
parking
and
loading
requirements.
All
public
notice
requirements
have
been
met.
The
applicant
seeks
to
create
a
four
hundred
square
foot
twenty
by
twenty
patron
lounge
within
the
laundromat
area
of
this
commercial
building,
offering
video
lottery
and
malt
beverages
to
their
customers
during
their
wait.
B
If
approved,
they
will
apply
to
the
City
Council
for
alcoholic
beverage
license
bar
Tavern
is
a
listed
conditional
use
in
the
c3
Highway
commercial
district
for
21:28,
o
33,
and
the
definition
of
bar
tavern
is
any
establishment,
including
restaurants
and
gambling
establishments
licensed
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
for
consumption
upon
the
premises
were
sold
or
provided.
The
term
bar
or
tavern
shall
also
include
establishments
licensed
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
for
consumption
off
the
premises
were
sold.
B
21:02
Oh.
Well,
the
applicants
have
been
at
the
attache
site
plan
which
reflects
or
does
not
reflect
the
following
requirements
of
the
ordinance
2100
OH
to
be
6/8
through
H,
again
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses.
This
refers
to
the
ingress
and
egress
and
off
street
parking
and
loading
on
the
property,
refuse
and
service
areas,
utilities,
screening,
buffing
site
for
screening,
buffering,
signage,
exterior
lighting
required
yards
and
open
space
and
general
compatibility
chapter,
21,
63,
off-street
parking
and
loading
requirements
and
engineering
design
standards.
B
None
of
the
existing
off
street
parking
spaces
meet
a
minimum
standard
size
which
is
nine
by
eighteen
and
a
half
for
our
setbacks
or
anything.
Public
right-of-way
Boulevard
is
being
used
to
accommodate
parking
space
length
chapter
twenty
one,
sixty
five
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
specific
uses.
There
is
no
available
area
on
this
parcel
for
any
outside
storage,
so
that
was
not
a
factor
chapter
twenty
one.
Seventy
three
landscape
and
lighting
standards.
B
This
substandard
c3
zone
property
is
lacking
in
required
Boulevard
grass
and
tree
improvements
due
to
utilizing
the
public,
right-of-way
or
Boulevard
to
help
satisfy
insufficient
off
street
parking.
The
parking
lot
requirements
there
is
no
screening
of
parking
lot
of
the
parking
lot
or
dumpster,
as
required
by
2170
304
titles,
five,
eighteen,
twenty
one
sidewalk
trail
curb
and
gutter.
The
property
is
lacking
in
some
basic
infrastructure
sidewalk
and
curb
mostly
due
to
utilizing
the
public
right-of-way
or
boulevard
as
an
over
width
driveway.
B
In
order
to
maximize
customer
parking,
this
board
must
determine
if
satisfactory
provision
and
arrangement
has
been
made
concerning
2102
two
to
be
six
A
through
H
and
the
chapters
described
if
application
is
endorsed.
The
board
may
consider
conditions
of
approval,
such
as
limiting
approval
to,
for
instance,
lounge
only
our
building
only
instead
of
the
entire
property
fulfillments
of
any
or
all
lacking
Boulevard
infrastructure
requirements
and
or
any
other
conditions,
the
board
deems
necessary.
O
Enjoy
their
stay,
there
currently
I'm
having
a
problem
where
people
come
in
and
wash
their
clothes
put
them
in
the
washer
leave
for
an
hour
more
because
they
don't
have
anything
to
do,
and
it's
tying
out
my
machines
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
if
we
can
create
a
little
space
where
they
can
watch
TV
have
a
coffee
pop
snacks
beer
not
looking
to
start
a
bar
casino.
It's
more
of
a
patron
lounge.
A
Jason,
do
you
it
do
you
expect
to
it?
The
the
downside
on
this
property
looks
like
to
me
that
it's
kind
of
a
minimum
amount
of
parking
it
looks
like
the
buildings
been
there
a
long
time.
The
boulevard
area
is
being
used
for
parking.
Do
you
expect
it
to
increase
the
traffic,
or
will
your
traffic
flow
stay
the
same
as
what
it
has
been?
We.
O
O
O
And
that's
the
goal
as
well:
I
can't
afford
to
have
a
person
there
right
now,
full
time
and
I
have
a
full-time
job
and
and
other
business
adventures
where
it's
hard
to
to
be
there
all
the
time
and
and
keep
an
eye
on
it,
because
we
have
had
some
vandalism
loitering
where
it
it
just
gets.
It's
not
good
for
the
area
and
it's
not
good
for
the
business.
O
A
L
Have
not
received
any
complaints
on
the
existing
parking
pattern.
I
mean
I
do
have
concerns
if,
if
we're
inviting
other
people
to
be
there,
that
there
really
isn't
adequate
parking
for
for
for
the
whole
facility,
I
mean,
but
it
is
what
it
is
if,
if
the
same,
people
that
are
washing
their
clothes
are
the
same
people
in
the
in
the
lounge,
it
would
seem
that
there
is
an
extra
parking,
but
that's
they're
not
totally
restricted
to
have
to
wash
their
clothes
to
be
in
the
lounge
either.
O
O
O
M
O
In
that
sense,
that's
another
thing
we
wanted
to
do.
We
didn't
want
to
just
create
an
adult
experience
we
to
be
able
to
have
because
there's
there's
a
lot
of
families
that
come
in
as
well
and
we're
family
friendly
friendly,
but
we
also
thought
it'd
be
nice
to
get
some
games
in
there
for
the
kids
like
a
whether
it
be
a
pinball
or
pac-man,
or
something
like
that
and
then
maybe
a
little
bit
more
vending
vending
machines
for
them.
A
A
H
O
H
H
M
O
M
O
O
O
A
P
One
of
the
big
things
that
I
see
that
isn't
even
being
addressed
five
years
ago,
we're
right
here
in
front
of
the
council
for
just
about
the
same
thing
except
it
was
across
the
street
at
the
old
Dairy
Queen.
Now
John
Maloney
wanted
to
put
his.
He
already
had
the
restaurant.
He
wanted
to
put
the
drinks
in
there
and
casino
wasn't
even
being
thought
of
at
that
time,
because
that
was
absolutely
hoped
because
they
already
had
enough
casinos
in
town.
P
Now
that
being
a
residential
area,
we
brought
you
a
petition
of
well
over
a
hundred
names
and
all
the
people
we
talked
to.
There
was
two
people
that
didn't
want
to
sign
it.
One
of
them
was
just
a
drunk
the
other
one
was
a
redneck
that
didn't
care
what
people
did.
Oh
I
should
say
there
was
three
and
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
his
name
one
of
the
third
one
is
one
of
them.
P
That's
on
my
adjacent
landowner
papers
to
come
here
to
this
special
meeting
so
looks
like
maybe
he's
planning
down
the
road
for
something
here,
but
I
was
born
out
in
West
Watertown.
That's
where
I
was
at
seventy-three
years
ago
and
it's
always
been
a
laundromat
across
the
street,
was
Hunter's
grocery
and
we
had
another
laundromat
were
where
the
blowin
place
is,
and
that
is
totally
always
been
residential.
Why
don't
they
keep
it
out
on
20
out
on
the
magic
mile
now,
when
they're
moving
all
these
machines
around
in
there?
P
It
looks
to
me
like
to
plan
and
I
may
be
getting
out
of
the
laundry
business
some
and
moving
into
more
the
borrowing
and
casino
business,
which
is
where
the
money
is
at
anymore,
but
it
does
a
heck
of
business
as
a
longer
man,
because
150
feet
away.
20
years
ago,
I
built
a
house
there
right
now.
It's
probably
worth
close
to
250,000
and
I'll
bet
you
as
soon
as
you.
Let
him
have
a
casino
bar
in
there.
P
P
A
A
A
From
the
public
standpoint,
the
hard
part
with
this
is
those
properties
are
Zone,
C,
three
commercial,
they're,
commercial
properties.
They
happen
to
be
across
the
street
from
some
residential
properties,
so
it
makes
it
tricky
and
tough
for
us.
That's
why
we
ask
some
of
the
hard
questions
as
to
how
we
can
wire
things
tighter.
As
far
as
the
space
he
can
use
the
number
of
machines
he
can
use
how
the
entrances
are
in
his
hours
of
operation.
A
We
would
never
dream
of
telling
somebody
that
you
need
to
close
at
10
o'clock
on
highway
212,
which
that
property
is
owned
exactly
the
same
as
this
property.
The
property's
been
zoned
this
way
for
decades,
and
the
people
want
to
use
the
property
to
maximize
for
what
it
is.
They
can't
convert
it
to
a
house
without
going
through
enormous
expenses,
but
that's
the
that's.
The
issues
we
have
on
this
board
is
to
try
to
find
a
happy
medium.
A
G
A
Motion
by
mr.
stone
Berger,
second,
second
by
mr.
McGuire,
any
discussion
I'll
go
through
that
motion
one
more
time.
It's
under
the
conditions
that
the
patron
lounge
is
exactly
as
to
where
it's
put
with
legal
description
in
the
diagram.
The
hours
of
operation,
as
he
stated
on
his
letter
and
the
alcohol
can
only
be
consumed
inside
the
patron
lounge,
not
in
or
around
or
outside
the
laundromat.
A
Q
A
C
I
A
S
A
S
A
S
S
The
adjacent
zoning
designations
are
r1
to
the
north
west,
north
east
and
south,
so
surrounding
it
the
adjacent
public
right-of-ways
will
be
included
in
the
rezone.
There's
no
flood
plain
in
that
area.
55%
of
the
written
consent
by
property
owners
adjacent
to
and
within
250
feet
of
the
proposed
zone
is
required.
An
applicant
has
acquired
those
signatures
and
met
the
55%.
It
is
0.7
acres,
which
is
short
of
the
one
acre
requirement
for
the
RG
district.
The
pheasant
lane
is
not
improved,
but
was
used
to
achieve
the
300
foot
of
frontage
requirement.
S
A
G
S
T
T
A
T
See
a
grouse
will
probably
I
think
they
changed
that
sometime
back.
This
was
development
going
way
back
and
I
didn't
know
until
yesterday
or
today
early
this
morning
that
those
lots
are
actually
south
of
where
you
see
that
tree
belt,
that's
all
planted
out
too,
but
that
remains
in
the
county,
so
pheasant
Lane
was
to
serve
both
sides.
That
will
probably
never
happen
because
it's
it's
being
farmed
now
and
so
number
two
is
that
139,
my
understanding
was
139.
L
L
L
I
can
okay,
so
this
is
the
plaited
lines
if
I
highlight
the
this
is
what
is
lot.
Ten
includes
vacated
cross
street
if
I
click
on
the
adjacent
one,
it
is
lot
nine,
including
a
portion
of
vacated,
grow
street
and
a
lot
eight
sold.
Eight
nine
growl
Street
for
all
practical
purposes
does
not
exist,
but.
L
A
G
L
A
A
District
as
it
was,
this
area
was
thought
thought
of
when
we
built
that
garage
district,
because
it
happens
to
be
an
area
that
was
platted
brought
into
the
city
limits,
but
none
of
the
streets
were
ever
improved,
so
people
bought
Lots
assuming
that
the
sewer
would
get
to
them,
but
the
sewers
hundreds
of
feet
away
from
them.
So
it's
really
not
suitable
for
residential
building.
T
D
A
Will
show
you
here
in
just
a
second:
if
you
pan
back
further
up
I
mean
it's
three
four
blocks
away,
probably
probably
yeah
see
where
it
crosses
way.
On
the
other
side,
you
got
to
go
further.
The
other
direction
yeah
see
right
there,
that's
where
the
sewer
ends.
It's
many
many
Lots
away,
and
it
would
have
to
be
run
through
down
pheasant
lane
and
all
those
adjacent
landowners
would
have
to
agree
to
pay
for
their
share
of
the
sewer.
T
A
S
Okay,
Robert
Arnold
is
the
owner
of
the
property
and
the
petitioner,
who
submitted
a
replant,
requesting
approval
to
split
lot,
28
block
to
Hidden
Valley
addition
into
two
conforming
Lots
lot:
28
a
and
lot
28
B
in
block
to
Hidden
Valley
addition:
the
adjacent
zoning
designations
are
our
three
multi-family
residential
to
the
South,
a
one
agricultural
district
to
the
east,
our
one
single-family
district
to
the
east,
north
and
west
lots
28
a
and
B
block
to
Hidden
Valley.
The
zoning
zoning
is
proposed,
or
is
our
three
multi-family
residential
district?
S
The
replant
will
create
two
Lots
from
one
existing
lot
upon.
Pesce
Drive
will
be
extended
by
75
feet
to
the
north
to
allow
for
proper
amount
of
lot
frontage.
That's
three
thousand
seven
hundred
fourteen
square
foot
of
public
right
away
will
be
dedicated
by
the
plat
a
turnaround
on
lot.
A
of
Prairie
Hills
development.
Second
addition
could
could
create
desired
turnaround
for
maintenance
and
sanitary
services.
100-Year
floodplain
is
present
on
site,
requiring
FEMA
guidelines
and
require
requirements
for
construction.
A
floodplain
development
permit
will
also
be
required
with
the
building
permit.
S
A
L
A
S
H
U
Had
Merlin
Jason
I'm
happy
to
see
that
a
lot
of
those
Lots
being
used?
The
only
question
that
I
have
is
that
right
now
you
see
where
it
says
pump
has
to
drive
that's
what
they're
going
to
dedicate
but
below
that
is
the
end
of
pump
Pesce
every
day,
ten
twelve
cars
drive
up
to
that
to
peek
into
that
somewhere
there
and
back
up
and
turn
into
my
driveway
and
they've
already
knocked
the
light
shine
a
light
post
down
once
and
I.
U
Now
I
was
told
that
there
was
a
chance
that
Jennifer's
going
to
dedicate
some
of
his
property
for
someone
to
back
up,
but
in
there
my
question
is:
how
would
an
ambulance
or
school
bus
or
a
garbage
truck
anybody
Turner?
They
can't
turn
around
right
now.
They
either
turn
around
in
Bob's
land,
which
is
now
being
asked
to
be
split
or
they
back
up
into
our
driveway,
and
so,
if
I
may
just
point
out.
U
I'm
happy
to
see
the
development
but
I
like
to
see
someone
address
that
so
then
it
would
be
safety
for
all
those
that
I
mentioned
school,
but
I,
don't
think
I'm
going
to
be
school
buses,
but
certainly
ambulances
could
be
there.
The
garbage
trucks
are
there
and
looky-loos.
Are
there
all
the
time?
So
if
there
could
be
a
cult,
I
mike
my
proposal
to
brandi
was
a
cul-de-sac
there
and
if
that
can't
be,
can
there
be
a
half
a
cul-de-sac?
U
It
would
be
something
where
they
can
turn
around
and
go
back
out
and
then
also
like
to
have
a
sign
put
up
at
Prairie
winds
hill,
saying
you
can't
get
out
of
here,
you're
locked
in
if
you
go
ahead,
you've
got
to
back
up
or
I'll
put
spikes
in
my
driveway
somewhere,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
that.
But
that's
why
customarily.
A
H
V
U
L
Think
we
would
try
to
encourage
something
like
that.
You
know
it's
hard
to
make
a
comment
say
that
we've
already
lived
with
this
condition
for
a
number
of
years.
I,
don't
know
how
old
pumpka
pumpka
is,
but
the
proposal
doesn't
really
change
the
condition
that
already
exists.
It
does
move
the
location
of
what
exists.
There's.
L
Yeah,
potentially
I
would
encourage
them
to
see
what
they
can
offer
the
public
for
turnaround.
However,
that
will
always
be
a
dead-end
street
of
some
fashion
and
you
know
say
nothing
happens
there.
The
lot
stays
vacant
forever.
The
conditions
that
exist
there
today
potentially
would
then
last
forever,
but
I
would
encourage
them
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
accommodate
that
whatever
that
means.
A
M
L
In
a
different
situation
similar
to
this,
we
entertain
that
on
Marina
Bay
Drive
recently,
and
we
were
encouraging
the
homeowner
to
to
provide
a
alternate
driveway
to
for
people
to
back
around
for
the
garbage
truck
to
back
into
they
actually
get
turned
around.
I
would
maybe
recommend
that
we
approach
this
from
a
similar
viewpoint.
W
L
Mr.
being
the
wiser
I
think,
looking
at
the
aerial
photo
here,
there's
a
little
bit
upland
area
there.
That
would
provide
that.
But
again
we
don't
have
this
plat
doesn't
have
control
over
that
property.
They
would
have
to
negotiate
with
that
owner
and
and
entertain
that
outside
of
this
platter
or
modify
this
platen
incorporated.
A
C
The
second
point
to
that
Luke,
my
first
District
one.
One
second
point
to
that-
is
consideration
whether
or
not
you'd
want
to
in
this
case.
Obviously,
pomp
ask
is
a
dedicated
right
away,
but
you
could
consider
maybe
some
sort
of
a
turnaround
easement
or
something
along
that
lines.
That
does
not
turn
into
a
dedicated
right
away.
It
still
becomes
a
maintenance
there,
but
if
it
becomes
a
if
snow
removal
becomes
an
issue,
that's
what
I
keep
thinking
of
if
they
wind
up
having
to
pile
it
somewhere
or
to
push
it.
C
That
would
also
leave
a
place
that
they
could
pile
it
on
the
property
rather
than
pushing
it
off
to
the
sides
and
also
provide
a
turnaround
for
them.
I
guess,
ultimately,
it
sounds
like
the
direction
you're
going
is
to
encourage
some
form
of
easement
or
something
for
a
turnaround.
I
guess
my
point
is,
is
that
it
could
possibly
be
on
this
property
just
as
easily
without
having
a
full
cul-de-sac
on
there,
so
it
could
be
on
this
property
or
a
neighbor's
property
in
an
easement.
A
A
That's
all
we
can
ask
is
that
they
try
to
work
with
each
other
in
there
because
they
have
identified
a
problem.
That's
there
and
they're
just
pushing
the
problem
further
down
the
driveway
to
the
next
guy's
driveway
that
they're
gonna
turn
around
in
maybe
also
possibly
some
of
those
people
that
are
going
in
there
and
looking
they're
going
to
look
to
fish.
There's
houses
there.
They
may
not
go
in
there
or
they'll
going
to
the
farthest
driveway
and
turn
around
any
other
discussion.
See
none
can
have
I'll
ask
for
a
vote.
A
Old
business,
we
had
a
primitive
preliminary
plan
for
Valley
View
addition
that
we
tabled
on
June
8th
in
order
to
discuss
it.
You
have
a
motion
by
mr.
stone
bargain.
Remove
it
from
the
table.
Do
I
have
a
second
second
by
mr.
Dahle,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
another.
This
is
not
a
public
hearing.
The
public
hearing
is
held
at
the
last
meeting
brandy.
Can
you
give
us
the
recap
on
that.
S
Okay,
so
this
parcel
of
land
to
the
west
being
landlocked
was
addressed
and
now
19th
Avenue
north
will
be
an
outlet.
So
then
there's
access
to
this
land,
black
13,
which
is
up
here.
Those
lots
are
now
adjusted
to
align
with
adjacent
River,
Ridge
properties
and
then
on
Monday.
At
the
City
Council
meeting
the
annexation
and
zoning
was
approved
for
phase
one
and.
S
They're
updated
plans
showed
how
a
drainage
interacts
with
the
adjacent
landowners
property
to
the
west
of
the
development
and
per
ordinance
chapter.
Twenty
304,
the
requirements
for
post-construction
stormwater
management
as
outlie
outlined
in
the
post-construction
stormwater
management,
best
management
practices,
BMP
manual
must
be
met
and
then,
as
far
as
it's
my
understanding,
the
developer,
Jaime
Andrews,
has
reached
out
to
the
adjacent
landowner
John
Tesh,
to
discuss
concerns
regarding
drainage.
A
X
X
With
J&J
land
sales
first
thing
after
the
last
meeting,
I
reached
out
mr.
Tosh
here
and-
and
we
set
up
a
meeting
with
with
him
and
Colin
the
following
Monday
had
a
real
good
discussion,
went
over
a
lot
of
issues
addressed
a
lot
of
things.
I
believe
we
made
a
lot
of
headway.
I
understand
he
still
got
a
few
concerns,
but
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
them
addressed
this
point.
X
In
fact,
I
had
another
engineer,
just
review
the
the
water
calculations
and
look
things
over
and
we
did
get
a
report
back
from
them
and
you
know
everything
everything
looks,
looks
compliant
and
and,
like
I
said
before,
we're
here
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
I
would
like
to
think
the
efforts
I've
shown
are
showing
that,
with
with
what
we've
done
and
how
are
moving
forward
and
have
every
intention
of
working
with
John
now
and
in
the
future,
I
opened
it
up.
As
far
as
you
know,
keep
her
mining
that
this
is
preliminary.
X
We
got
construction
plans
to
do
yet
and
and
I
offered
to
John
to
keep
him
in
the
loop
as
construction
plans
get
going
and-
and
you
know,
keep
him
abreast
everything
that's
going
on
and
and
I'm
more
than
willing
to
take
into
consideration
his
opinion.
We'd.
We
talked
about
some
potential
potential
tile
or
different
things.
We
could
do
if
it
which
we
don't
have
concerns,
but
I
mean
if
there
are
concerns,
we're
willing
to
go
the
extra
mile
to
accommodate
them
and
I
guess
I'll
a
call
and
take
over
I.
V
Guess
the
the
main
concerns
the
last
time
we
were
at
the
meeting
was
or
some
of
the
detention
areas
and
I'll
just
go
through
quickly.
The
the
changes
that
we
made
in
regards
to
the
drain
inch
the
proposed
bike
trail
along
on
the
western
side
of
the
the
development
we
we
actually
raised
that
up
two
feet
and
created
drainage,
swales
on
the
the
east
side
of
it
to
capture
all
the
water
and
divert
it
to
the
detention
ponds
as
well
as
to
serve
as
emergency
overflows
out
of
the
ponds
during
hundred
year.
V
Storm
events,
and
then
we
also
made
changes
to
the
lower
two
detention
ponds,
ponds.
A1
and
a2.
Can
you
go
to
the
I
go
to
the
next
sheet
and
be
the
the
two
ponds
on
the
southern
edge
of
the
property?
There
we
increased
the
size
on
pond,
a2
and
a1
so
that
the
time
or
the
flows
for
the
five
and
hundred-year
are
below
the
existing
flows
coming
out
of
that
area
and
then
in
the
tension
pond
B,
which
is
out
lot
C.
V
You
know,
as
the
water
goes
down
into
the
ground.
This
way
we
can
capture
it
before
it
potentially
creates
problems
on
the
neighbor's
property,
and
then
also
there
were
concerns
of
the
integrity
of
the
berms
and
they're
going
to
be
constructed,
as
we
show
in
the
top
right
of
this
plan
sheet,
where
it
has
a
clay
core
that
extends
2
feet
below
the
existing
ground
or
pond
bottom.
Whichever
is
lowest
all
the
way
up
to
the
top
of
the
the
berm
and
that
essentially
creates
a
impenetrable
barrier.
V
V
V
And
this
this
is
something
that
doesn't
have
to
be
done.
Unless
you
know
the
neighbor
so
chooses
to
have
it
done,
but
we're
proposing
a
drain
tile
of
adequate
size
be
installed
at
the
outlet
of
detention.
Pond
see
to
the
railroad.
Ditch
the
two
rows
of
drain
tile
next
to
the
detention
pond
B,
which
will
outlet
into
the
storm
sewer
out
of
that
drain
or
that
detention
pond
and
down
to
14th
Avenue
and
then
also
a
drain
tile.
W
Y
V
Worst-Case
well
we're
worst-case
scenario:
it's
about
depending
on
the
detention
pond,
but
it's
about
60
to
70
hours,
okay,
to
drain
out
fully,
because
you
have
your
detention
in
the
top
stage
and
that
drains
out,
you
know
anywhere
from
15
to
25
hours.
And
then
your
bottom
stage
is
the
water
quality
and
that
takes
up
to
40
hours
and
that.
W
V
V
H
Colin
you
talked
about
the
bike
trail.
You
raised
that
two
feet
created
a
swell
on
the
east
side
of
it,
and
you've
also
been
talking
about
drain
tile,
all
that
water
that
runs
to
the
south
and
ultimately,
the
corner
of
14th
Avenue
under
the
railroad
bed
under
their
driveway
in
it
to
the
river.
Is
that
all
on
top
of
the
wall
on
top
of
the
ground
at
that
point
coming
to
their
and
the
drain?
Tile
is
just
on
the
west
side
of
the
railroad
track.
Right.
V
V
All
this
all
these
areas
drain,
this
one
will
be
in
storm
sewer.
This
detention,
pond
outlets
through
storm
sewer
for
about
500
feet
and
then
there's
kind
of
an
existing
pond
or
detention
area,
so
to
speak
in
this
area
and
where
we're
letting
into
that
with
this
detention
pond
this
detention
pond
and
this
detention
pond
so.
V
Yeah
there's
their
storm
sewer
that
comes
out
of
that
pond.
You
know
a
control
structure
and
storm
sewer
out
of
this
pond,
and
then
this
pond
as
well,
will
have
storm
sewer
that
extends
to
here
and
then
there
is
no
storm
sewer
crossing
the
railroad
track
and
the
drain
tile
we
were
proposing
would
have
an
inlet
on
the
downstream
side
of
this
pipe
and
then
be
underground
from
there
to
the
big
sue.
I.
L
X
X
John
was
worried
about
getting
across
this
field
and
doing
some
different
things
that
the
soil
down
there
is
real
sandy
and
at
the
release
rates
odds
are
it's
probably,
and
thus
it's
a
big
rain
event
I,
don't
anticipating
that
water
ever
probably
hitting
hitting
that
ditch
flowing
on
the
other
side
of
his
driveway,
but
it's
just
like
I
say
a
little
reassurance
for
him
that
we're
by
no
means
trying
to
impact
him
in
a
negative
way.
So.
P
V
V
V
H
You've
talked
a
lot
about
the
South
End.
A
couple
of
questions
here.
One
of
John's
concerns
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
was
that
I
don't
know
which
one
it
is,
but
it's
the
one
that
drains
across
the
field,
the
second
one
down
from
the
top
on
the
left
side,
one
more
up,
I
think.
If
I
remember
right,
he
was
concerned
that
that
field,
if
that
held
water
and
might
seep
through
there
in
that
field,
potentially
could
be
wet
and
soggy
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
X
Did
speak
about
that
kind
of
the
way
we
left
it
with
with
John
is?
Is
you
know
we're
really
concentrating
on
on
our
phase
one?
You
know
we
want
to
see
how
everything
works
in
phase
one,
and
you
know
if
there
are
potential
issues
we
can.
You
know
we're
moving
down
the
road
to
be
addressed.
You
know,
like
it
really
reiterated.
John
to
this
is
a
8
to
10,
maybe
12
year.
X
H
V
We
we
did
look
at
maybe
extending
that
pipe.
That
is
right
on
the
south
end
of
20th
Avenue
and
carrying
that
all
the
way
to
the
control
structure
and
just
having
an
inlet
on
the
backside
of
the
curb,
and
that
way
it
would
allow
them
to
fill
in
the
ravine
a
little
bit
between
their
two
houses
as
well
as
not
you
know,
have
the
continued
run
of
water.
You
know
through
that
ravine.
So.
H
Yeah,
because
once
it
gets
to
that
road
from
the
road
north,
then
it's
underground
in
a
storm
storm
sewer
at
that
point,
rain
yeah.
So
you
would
just
you
would
go
south
further
and
then
carry
it
under
twice
xx.
Isn't
it
we
would
carry
it
under
xx
all
the
way
down
to
that
draw
right,
yeah,
okay,
yeah
you
mean.
L
Janice
just
to
reiterate
on
that
that
already
functions
as
a
natural
storm
pond
that
pipe
that's
underneath
20th
Avenue
that
already
holds
back
when
water
exceeds
the
capacity
that
pipe
it
already
naturally
backs
up
into
this
whole
area.
So
they're
really
just
kind
of
retooling
that
how
that's
gonna
run
off
of
it
in
the
future.
One
that's
developed
so
that
that
condition
already
exists.
I
just
want
you
to
recognize
that.
That's
that's!
What's
already
happening,
they're.
M
Met
with
mister
Tesh
and
I
got
the
impression
that,
in
your
view,
anyway,
that
you've
worked
out
most
of
the
issues
that
were
brought
up
the
first
time.
We
heard
this
in
your
understanding.
What
are
the
remaining
issues
that
we
haven't
heard
from
mr.
Tesh?
Yet,
but
what
is
your
understanding
of
what
those
remaining
issues
are
and
what
is
your
response
to
those
well.
X
You
know
he
doesn't.
The
best
I
could
understand.
Latter
I
spoke
to
John
yesterday
was
he
doesn't
want
any
more
water
at
water
running
across
his
property?
Is
what
I'm
gathering
and
maybe
my
stander,
maybe
it's
more
water
which
I
guess
you
know
as
far
as
the
water
more
how
much
it's
all
it's
all
controlled!
It's
you
know
it's
all
engineered
I!
Guess
you
know
if
it
rains
a
half-inch
he's.
Never
gonna
have
water
for
rains.
Five
inches,
you
might
have
a
little.
X
X
A
Z
Z
Z
Colin,
where
do
you
go
260
thousand
cubic
feet?
Is
that
sewn
right,
250
264
like
see?
Is
that
sewn
right,
I?
Think
that's
what
you
told
me
seven
point
four:
eight
gallons
per
cubic
feet.
That's
just
shy
at
two
million
gallons
within
a
hundred
and
four
yards
of
my
house.
Does
anybody
feel
comfortable
with
that
uphill
from
their
house
so
yeah
we
have
spoken
about
piping,
that,
but
now
we're
just
taking
that
issue
and
removing
itself
to
the
road,
and
now
the
end
of
my
driveway
has
to
shed
that
much
more.
I
Z
You
know
still
some
of
my
concerns
by
raising
that
bike
trail.
Maybe
that'll
help
some
issues,
but
you
know
you
think
of
the
springtime
when
there's
still
frost
in
the
ground.
What
are
they
gonna
do
with
all
that
snow
up
there
most
likely
it's
just
gonna
get
pushed
to
the
west.
We
get
a
spring
rain
frozen
ground
that
creates
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
water
coming
in
a
quick
hurry.
Z
What
happens
if
the
ponds
blow
out,
I
I
asked
Colin
the
other
day
on
the
the
number
he
used
for
this
calculation.
He
tells
me
0.25,
which
is
a
standard
number
to
use
for
their
runoff
coefficient
well.
I
have
now
been
told
that
this
ground
should
be
unusually
low.
Well,
what
does
that
do
to
the
calculation
if
he
changes
that?
Well,
it
makes
the
ponds
bigger.
Z
Well,
I,
don't
want
to
see
Jamie
lose
any
Lots
I
want
to
see
Jamie
build
houses
I'm
all
for
it,
but
if,
if
the
number
that
got
used
is
too
high
and
these
ponds
are
going
to
be
maxed
out
well
now
that
creates
a
potential
of
having
a
blowout
which
I
understand.
There
has
already
been
an
example
of
that.
Well,
that
just
goes
back
to
my
question:
if
there's
2
million
gallons
of
water,
a
hundred
yards
uphill
from
your
house,
do
you
guys
feel
my
concern?
Z
If,
if
the
top
of
that
pond
is
supposed
to
the
water
supposed
to
be
here
and-
and
there
is
a
major
event-
and
it
does
wash
it
out
well,
where
is
it
coming
there?
You
know
if
they
say
well,
the
railroad
track
will
slow
it
down
now,
won't
even
be
a
bump
in
the
road,
and
my
whole
place
is
right
in
that
path.
So
those
are
still
my
my
big
turns.
Z
You
know,
I
guess
one
thing
that
that
I'm
looking
at
right
here
and
it's
in
the
it's
in
the
ordinance
deal.
Twenty
four
point:
oh
six:
oh
five,
Number
five
c11
provide
information
to
the
effect
of
drainage
pattern
on
adjacent
property.
Provide
survey
data
as
requested
for
adequate
information,
identify
stormwater
path.
To
me,
the
major
drain
way
well
I've
never
been
as
far
as
I
know.
There's
no
none
of
this
there's
there's
nothing.
That
shows
me.
This
is
what's
going
to
happen
in
this
event,.
Z
Z
If
the
basements
supposed
to
be
three
foot
above
ground
water
elevation
and
there's
a
lot
of
houses
in
town
that
have
not
done
this,
I
have
witnessed.
One
I
poured
footings
in
a
basement
on
East
14th
Avenue
this
spring
we're
pouring
footings
on
pea
rock,
where
there's
water
coming
up
through
it.
How
somebody
would
want
to
live
in
that
I,
don't
know
if
they
lose
the
power
for
an
hour.
Their
basements
done
so.
Z
My
point
here
is:
is
now
we're
going
to
create
a
base
flow
which
is
basically
going
to
be
steady,
water,
trickling
and
that's
another
issue,
obviously
number
or
pond
C
is
the
one
right
by
my
home.
Obviously,
that's
my
biggest
concern
because
that's
my
yard
and
that's
the
closest
one
to
my
house
now,
the
the
next
one
to
the
north,
if
whether
we
drain
tile
that
or
whatever
they're
still
going
to
be
a
constant
trickle,
which
all
that's
going
to
do
is
create
an
issue
on
my
side
of
the
property
I.
Z
Z
It's
completely
saturated
all
the
time
when
I
was
younger.
You
know
before
all
that
stuff
got
built
up
there
I.
Could
you
cross
over
the
four-wheeler?
Well,
now
it's
four
foot
of
water,
its
eroded,
there's
no
way
you're
gonna
get
across
it
and
there's
constant
flow.
You
go
on
the
other
side
of
the
tracks
and
there's
it's
ponded.
There's
water
standing,
there's
cattails
all
this
and
that
that's
my
major
concern
guys
is
I.
Don't
live
on
a
wetland
right
now
and
I.
Don't
want
to
turn
it
into
one.
So
with
with
our
piping
I.
Z
Think
we're
we're
getting
close.
I
mean
I.
Think
that
okay,
we're
draining
we're,
draining,
see
well
we're
almost
to
the
road
I'd
sure
like
to
see
it
go
to
the
road
across
the
road
go
under
my
driveway
I,
don't
care,
but
I
don't
really
want
to
shed
that
Colin
described
the
two
stages
of
a
holding
pond.
Well,
the
top
half
is
a
stormwater
and
the
bottom
half
is
where
all
the
stuff
settles
oils
chemicals.
Z
Everything
else
I
don't
want
to
shed
that
across
my
property
either
because
the
big
Sioux
River
they
say
right
now
is
one
of
the
highest
polluted
rivers
in
the
state.
Well
sure
it
is.
It
comes
through
Watertown,
Brookings
and
Sioux
Falls,
so
I'm
sure
that's
the
case,
but
I'm
not
crazy
about
all
that
stuff
coming
across
my
property
either
so
I
I
want
to
be
easy
to
work
with,
but
I
also
want
to
see
the
right
thing
than
the
proper
thing
done.
That
does
not
negatively
affect
me.
L
A
There's
another
engineer
involved.
We
almost
have
as
many
engineers
as
we
have
board
members
know
by
the
way.
That's
always
nice
it,
but
I
think
what
we
do
is
I'd
like
to
retai
believe
got
enough
substantial
data,
we're
making
strides
in
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
go
at
the
right
speed.
Is
that,
okay,
with
you
Jamie.
X
My
only
consider-
and
it's
not
a
concern
and
I-
would
like
I
reiterated
before
is
it's
going.
This
is
preliminary.
This
isn't
final.
It's
gonna
we
got.
We
got
a
lot
of
changes
to
make
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna,
show
all
that,
but
I
mean
we're
talking
another
two
weeks.
Then
we're
talking
another
two
weeks
and
pretty
soon
you
know
what
it's
it's
it's
end
of
the
year.
X
I'm
Haven
I
didn't
want
to
get
into
this,
but
you
know
I've
invested
a
lot
of
money
in
Watertown
and
want
to
keep
things
I'm
not
looking
to
speed
things
through,
but
move
along
I.
Think
I'm
showing
I
want
to
move
them
along
right.
You
know
I
reached
out
and
and
just
of
all
bent
over
backwards
and
there's
the
point
where
I
feel
like
it's
going
the
other
way
and
I.
Don't
you
know
it's
it's
getting
frustrating
I,
guess
Shane.
A
A
You
know
it's
hard
to
unring
a
bell
down
the
road
and
I
understand
from
a
developer
standpoint,
there's
a
lot
of
other
moving
parts
in
this
that
you
have
to
make
commitments
to
to
people
to
come
in
for
the
logistics
of
your
development,
and
the
one
thing
we
have
to
remember
is
we're
moving
this
forward
in
phases
that
that
far-end
phase
is
going
to
be
quite
a
ways
down
the
road.
What's
your
thoughts
on
it,
Shane,
okay,
well,.
L
Also
reset
the
baseline,
we
have
a
stormwater
manual,
we
have
our
ordinances
and
so
the
best
of
the
ability
of
the
efforts
that
my
staff
has
done.
I've
hired
Helms
and
associates
to
help
give
an
opinion
on
the
hydraulic
analysis
and
Jamie
has
independently
done
his
own
verification
of
the
hydraulic
analysis.
I
think
what
I
would
recommend
is
that
you
do
retail
this,
but
when
we
untape
lit-
and
we
have
provided
this
information
to
mr.
L
Tosh,
his
attorney
and
his
own
design
team
I-
think
we
need
to
revisit
all
of
these
item,
but
from
a
baseline.
All
indications
are
is
that
the
developer
and
his
engineer
have
essentially
fulfilled
the
stormwater
data
that
is
required
within
the
city,
water
towns
system
manuals
and
what
we
were
requesting.
So
what
what
I
would
hope
we
would
receive
from
mr.
L
Tesh
and
his
team
is
that
he's
he
needs
to
find
proof
or
something
that
refutes
that
we
haven't
done
what
was
expected
in
our
manual
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
that
burdens
period
on
purely
on
that
aspect,
but
I
mean
I.
Do
we
do
need
to
recognize
that
if
some
pumps
run
in
these
basements
that
that
water
is
going
to
run
whenever
the
sump
pumps
operate,
that
that
does
happen
throughout
water
tone?
I?
Don't
care
where
you
live?
L
The
majority
of
these
lots
are
set
up
for
walkout
basements,
so
I,
don't
anticipate
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
sump
pump
needs
unless
they
dissect
some
underground
sand
winds
or
something
like
that.
But
we've
talked
about
this
being
light
soil,
so
that
possibility
of
that
is
much
diminished.
Then
other
parts
of
town
where
we
have
heavy
clay
sware
the
water
does
collect
and
gets
encountered
when
you
dig
basements.
But
let's,
let's
address
that
I
mean
I.
L
The
the
basic
premise
of
the
way
the
water
flows
between
Valley
View
and
the
Big
Sur
River,
has
has
and
always
will
be
over
the
land
that
John
Tesh
owns.
It
has
always
flowed
to
the
Big
Sioux
River.
It
will
always
continue
to
flow
through
the
Big
Sioux
River.
The
question
is:
are
we
managing
the
water
that
is
now
collected
from
a
development
and
responsibly
releasing
it
to
where
it
has
always
gone?
L
In
fact,
I
would
almost
say
that
we
could
dry
up
the
triangle
piece
of
John
Tesh,
so
it's
an
arid
dry
piece
of
ground
that
can't
subsist
on
its
own
runoff
I
mean
that's
reality
of
being
next
to
relief
and-
and
the
other
point
I'd
like
to
make
is
that
we
did
a
development
previous
history
in
water
town
called
Skyline
Drive
all
the
way
from
the
hospital
down
to
10th.
That
are,
you
know,
from
10th
Avenue
all
the
way
down
the
third
Avenue.
M
H
L
H
H
They
need
to
go
back
and,
as
the
two
parties
come
together
and
continue
to
make
changes,
but
if
we
keep
tabeling
this
and
don't
take
it
through
the
preliminary
stage
so
that
they
can
finalize
and
take
it
to
the
final
stage
you
lose
another
month
on
this
another
six
weeks,
he
might
as
well
throw
the
towel
in
because
nothing's
gonna
happen
he's
lost
a
year.
That's
all
I'm,
saying
that
I'm
not
saying
we're
proving
it
well,
we
got
to
keep
the
process
going.
H
X
Jumped
up
here
and
and
I've
been
first
thing,
I
did
was,
went
and
met
with
John
and
the
issues,
and
you
know
that's
I
I
do
care
about
we're
doing
I'm,
not
gonna,
try
to
run
over
we're,
not
gonna
if
he
provides
the
data
that
hey
Jamie.
This
is
a
dangerous
pond
above
my
house.
If
something,
this
isn't
right,
we're
not
gonna
put
it
there.
I
I
mean
I've,
got
a
family
I.
Well,.
H
A
L
L
A
Take
one
one
sec,
one
step
back:
our
preliminary
plan
is
where
we
in
a
perfect
world
would
truly
have
a
real
preliminary
preliminary
plan.
But
what
our
preliminary
plan
is
is
we
require
more
data?
If
we
approve
the
preliminary
plan,
we
don't
see
anything
on
this
again
until
they
come
into
plat,
that's
and
they
plaid
off
the
preliminary
plan
they
can.
There
is
no
one
more
look.
H
L
But
what
what
can
happen
is
or
you
this
is
the
final
step
for
the
Planning
Commission,
except
for
a
plat,
will
come
forward
out
of
this.
Then
you
get
a
chance
to
to
visit
about
the
plat,
but
all
of
this
hydraulic,
stuff
and
stuff
isn't
directly
tied
to
a
plat
I'll
I'll,
be
it
but
and
then
the
plat
does
go
to
the
City
Council
for
ultimate
approval,
but
as
far
as
the
preliminary
plan
in
the
overall
development
ideas
concepts.
L
This
is
where
you
guys
your
tires
hit
the
road
right
here
you
prove
this,
then
you
do
get
to
consider
the
plat,
but
the
plat
is
just
a
subsection
of
this,
not
necessarily
the
whole
thing
he's
not
gonna
Platt,
130,
acres
of
land
he's
going
to
come
to
you
with
what
we
remember
back
a
couple
well
to
a
month
ago.
You
guys
approved
the
annexation
and
the
zoning
on
phase
one
of
this.
That's
what
he's
striving
to
get,
but
he
needs
the
preliminary
plan
approved
before
he
can
even
go
forward
with
this
phase.
L
L
Have
his
final
say
and
that's
so,
whether
you
table
it
tonight,
whether
you
approve
it
tonight
or
you
disapprove
it
tonight,
that's
up
to
the
Planning
Commission,
but
I
think
one
more
discussion
on
June
or
July
six
meeting,
but
we
better
be
ready
to
make
a
decision
at
no
later
than
that
point
in
time.
Well,.
X
In
my
only
concern,
once
again
is
it's:
it's
two
weeks
tell
they've
two
to
three
weeks
before
they
get
construction
plans
to
where
it
goes.
To
final
I
mean
we're,
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
a
month
again
and,
and
if
there
are
issues,
if
we're
not
meeting
and
getting
together,
I,
don't
can't
imagine
City,
Council's
gonna
prove
this:
are
they
there
am
I
wrong
there?
My
time
I
mean
city.
X
E
L
X
S
AA
Banks
I
appear
with
mr.
cash,
as
you
heard
him
speak
earlier.
I
have
had
discussions
with
the
city
attorney
and
City
Engineer,
which
I
appreciate
I
just
got
a
copy
of
the
revised
plan
about
three
hours
ago.
Haven't
had
a
chance
to
review
it.
We
would
ask
that
you
adopt
the
city
engineer's
recommendation
to
give
us
two
more
weeks
to
come
back
on
July
6
I
know
that
John
is
appreciative
of
the
discussions
he's
had
with
the
developer,
but
as
they
both
agree,
they
have
not
been
able
to
resolve
their
differences.
AA
If
you
approve
the
preliminary
plan,
you
don't
get
to
vote
no
on
it
down
the
road
you
consider
the
plant,
but
not
the
plant
itself
and
the
plats
not
going
to
have
your
hydrology
and
so
on,
so
to
allow
John
to
be
satisfied
and
to
allow,
perhaps,
hopefully,
he
and
the
developer,
to
come
to
an
agreement
to
make
sure
that
the
runoff
is
properly
addressed.
Again,
we
ask
that
you
adopt
the
city
engineer's
recommendation
and
that
we
come
back
on
July
6.
Do.
P
AA
That
I
know
that
we
will
have
reviewed
all
of
the
the
plans.
The
reports
from
Elms
&
Associates
I
know
there
was
a
report
from
banner
that
I
haven't
seen.
Yet
our
engineer
hasn't
seen
it
so
I
can't
answer
whether
we
will
resolve
the
differences,
but
we
will
do
everything
that
we
can
to
to
get
John
satisfied.
I
will.
P
L
System
does
not
require
that
every
little
protest
of
issues,
whether
it's
this
style
of
curb
I'll,
really
get
crazy
here,
I
mean
or
preventing
walkout,
basements
or
whatever.
Whatever
ridiculous
thing,
you
want
to
think
of
all
the
way
down
to
the
serious
things
that
John's
worried
about,
or
you
know
what
his
serious
concerns
are.
But
in
the
end
we
don't
need
100%
concurrence
between
the
developer
and
the
adjacent
landowners.
L
What
we
do
need
to
know
is
that
we've
done
a
responsible
review
and
are
confident
that
we're
not
going
to
egregiously
omit
something
that
could
impact
them
and
I
think
so,
whether
or
not
John
and
and
the
developer
agree
100%
on
July,
6
I
think
we
need
to
at
least
have
everybody
restate
their
final
arguments
or
final
stand
points,
and
then
you
need
to
vet
that
and
make
a
decision
one
way
or
the
other.
So
that
makes
sense
I.
L
P
X
Went
above
and
beyond
and
and
and
I
know,
we'll
get
there,
but
once
again
it's
this
two
weeks
is
essentially
another
month
for
Fermi
and-
and
it's
tough
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
I
should
go,
do
I
farm
it
now
I
mean
it.
That's
gonna
get
to
the
point
where
it
is
or
you
know
that's
it's
it's
frustrating
when
and
and
I
think
Colin
and
the
engineers
have
done
one
heck
of
a
job
to
get
this
plant
where
it
is,
it
hasn't
been
pushed
through.
We
started
working
on
this
in
January.
X
It's
been
a
long
road
to
get
here
and
and
and
I
moved
up.
We
closed
on
this
thing
early
because
things
things
were
going
well
and
then
would
you
know
here
we
hit
this
this
roadblock,
which
I
feel
we're
doing
that
we're
not
doing
nothing
wrong.
We're
worth
in
the
parameters
of
like
I
said
once
again,
everything
is
done
right.
It's
done
to
city
standards,
to
what
you
guys
want.
How
could
they?
What
can
I
do?
More?
X
M
Well,
it
seems
to
me-
and
again
this
is
just
my
opinion,
but
it
was
with
due
respect
to
all
the
parties
involved.
We've
had
two
meetings.
The
contractor
and
the
adjacent
landowners
have
had
interim
discussions.
You
know
it's
just
I
just
get
the
sense
that
we're
waiting
two
more
weeks
to
allow
you
know
certain
parties
to
come
back
with
other.
You
know
opposing
viewpoints,
so
we're
gonna
be
right
where
we
are
right
now
we're
not
going
to
get
to
the
point
where
everybody's
gonna
agree.
M
It's
just
it's
just
not
going
to
happen
in
my
opinion
and
for
and
meaning
my
point
being
is
I,
don't
think
waiting
two
weeks
or
tabling
this
for
two
more
weeks,
so
they
can
accomplish
anything.
We
should
you
know
my
view.
We
I
just
don't
know
that
there's
gonna
be
any
new
information.
That's
going
to
change!
You
know
change
the
dynamics
where
it's
going
to
make
it
really
clear
when
way
or
the
other
I
think
it's
it's
going
to
be
contentious
on
certain
issues
and
and
I
get
that
and
I
respect.
M
H
Just
ask
a
question,
probably
and
I'm,
not
from
both
sides,
I'm
trying
to
look
at
this,
but
the
first
question:
is
there
anything
in
this
preliminary
plan
that
does
not
follow
the
the
city,
ordinances
and
everything?
That
is
what
we
require
and
a
best
management
practices
and
everything
has
he
met
all
of
those
in.
H
A
I
L
Helps
as
a
original
review
of
the
analysis
did
know
what
some
minor
things
that
needed
to
be
addressed
and
we've
now
received
new
information
and
I
have
provided
that
to
Helm's.
I
have
not
seen
their
report
final
report
back
yet,
but
I
expect
that
the
adjustments
that
the
design
team
made
will
probably
address
those
because
that's
what
was
identified
as
the
the
minor
issues,
and
so
my
summation
is
as
the
that
that
will
all
have
been
resolved
in
all
due
respect.
A
X
Question
can
can
it
read,
I
mean?
Is
there
some
obviously
some
contingencies?
We
can
approve
this
with
as
far
as
that,
what
Shane
was
just
speaking
about
the
confirmation
coming
back
from
Helms
or
or
you
know,
contingent
between
meetings
that
John's
review
team,
though
there's
no
no
major
hurdles
or
I
guess
I'm,
just
like
I
said
I'm
just
some
question
there
question
I,
don't
know
I.
G
G
Y
Name,
my
name
is
Alan
stager
I
live
in
River
Ridge,
Estates,
20th,
Avenue,
Northwest
block
one
lot.
54
and
we've
had
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
around
the
southern
portion
of
the
development
and
I
think
the
Planning
Commission
needs
to
review
the
drainage
plans
in
the
northern
portion
as
well.
Before
you
make
a
final
determination.
Y
You
can
see
in
in
the
detention
out
lot
II
what
that
entire
area
currently
drains
with
a
small
there's,
with
the
exception
of
a
small
portion
that
goes
under
20th
Avenue,
all
of
that
water
drains
through
a
drainage
area
above
land
around
the
river
Ridge
Estates
development,
including
the
future
development
that
will
happen.
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
Commission
is
fully
recognize
that
there's
a
comment
made
about
it,
goes
into
a
storm
water
sewer
and
that
that's
not
correct.
Yes,
I
think
before
you,
you
approve
this.
H
Y
Son
right
there,
the
storms
right
right
beside
his
homes,
so
all
of
that
water
drains
above
Penn
today
yet
and
the
concern
that
I
have
and
I
not
opposed
to
the
development
but
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
take.
What
is
a
wetland
today
and
turn
it
into
a
you
know:
a
mini
river
because
of
the
additional
volume
in
a
high
density
development
and
so
I
just
encouraged
the
Commission
before
you
make
a
final
decision
to
consider
the
northern
the
northern
portion
as
well.
It's.
L
That's
the
whole
premise
of
drainage.
If
you
want
it
all
at
once,
you
would
be
argued
if
you
didn't
want
it
all
at
once.
Then
you'd
be
arguing
like
John's
opportunity,
but
when
we're
managing
the
water
efficiently,
as
we
can
through
an
from
a
new
development
into
a
previous
development,
I
I,
don't
know
what
what
else
the
okay.
Y
G
A
A
The
frightening
part
is
you
can
go
back
and
forth
and
look
at
different
numbers
and
see
them
different
ways,
but
I
think
all
we
have
to
work
with
is
the
me
is
our
design
manuals
that
we
use
the
formulas
we
use
in
the
methods
that
we
we
get
to
that
data
with
I
think
we
have
to
be
very,
very
careful
that
we
do
it
correctly,
the
one
you
know
the
the
one
part
of
me
that
says
well.
Should
we
wait
two
more
weeks?
Is
it's
hard
to
unring
a
bell?