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B
Thank
You
mayor
I
would
like
everybody
to
meet
Colin
Paulson
he's
a
Watertown
native.
Unfortunately,
he
went
to
UND
at
college,
but
I
won't
hold
that
against
him,
but
no
I
I
seriously
want
to
welcome
him
to
our
staff
and
his.
We
hope
to
utilize
his
expertise
and
actually
assist
him
in
growing
in
other
skills
as
well,
so
that
he
can
ultimately
grow
into.
Hopefully
my
position
someday.
If
he
chooses
to
stay
around
and
nurture
that
possibility-
and
you
know
he's
a
very
bright
person-
has
a
great
personality.
B
B
Okay,
Thank
You
Mir
we've
had
a
project
coming
down
through
the
process
of
annexation
and
zoning,
and
now
we're
getting
to
the
planning
stage,
and
it
is
known
as
Valley
View.
It
is
138
acres
in
total
size
for
eventual
build-out,
and
it
doesn't
include
this
little
corner
piece
of
about
seven
acres,
but
it
does
include
the
majority
of
the
area
that
I've
just
outlined
with
the
hand.
B
So
where
we're
at
is
we're
kind
of
at
the
point
where
I
need
to
give
you
guys,
information
and
I
need
some
feedback
and
right
now.
This
is
a
just
a
brief
summary
of
how
the
road
costs
in
2012
we
build
Timberline,
fifty
one
dollars
and
ninety
nine
cents
per
foot
of
frontage
at
that
time
for
their
portion
of
second
street.
If
we
hold
true
to
that
formula
based
on
the
frontage
that
the
Valley
View
Edition
would
have,
that
cost
would
be
twenty-seven
thousand
three
hundred
and
fifty
one
dollars
and
ninety
cents.
B
If
we
applied
that
consumer
rate
or
price
index
rate
to
the
thing
that
would
bring
the
road
assessment
up
to
twenty
nine
thousand
one
hundred
and
one
as
far
as
the
assessment
prices
for
trunk
sewer,
I'll
switch
into
a
different
mode
here.
These
items
right
here
are
what
all
of
the
sewer
improvements
that
were
done
on
Second
Street
Northwest
when
it
was
built.
The
summary
of
that
is
twenty-seven
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirteen
dollars.
B
Twenty
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seven
of
that
was
assessed
to
the
Timberland
portion
of
the
project,
so
presumably
the
balance
of
that
investment
would
be
put
a
potential
cost
to
the
developer
as
they
connect,
which
is
a
very
small
portion
of
that
project.
But
nonetheless,
is
a
and
unrecovered
portion
of
that
initial
effort.
B
Then
the
sewer
that
was
put
in
along
the
western
boundary
of
of
the
valley
view
addition
it
serves
or
would
potentially
serve
the
Mac
property.
The
test
property
which
is
still
out
in
the
county
is
hasn't
been
annexed
and
it
had
a
component
for
River
Ridge
as
well,
and
so
that
there
is
an
agreement
out
there
that
exists
that
we
referenced
and
the
what
wasn't
previously
Mac
property.
It
identified
that
they
would
be
responsible
for
thirty
six
point:
oh
six
percent
of
the
initial
costs.
B
Now
the
initial
cost
estimate
was
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
which
the
agreement
numbers.
Then
that
was
all
done,
pre-construction
would
have
been
fifty
four
thousand
and
ninety
dollars.
However,
the
actual
research
on
the
cost
of
the
trunk
sewer
came
in
much
much
lower,
so
it
was
the
actual
cost
that
we
arrived
at
was
seventy
six
thousand
nine
hundred
and
sixty-five
dollars
and
fifty
four
cents
as
the
as-built,
which
would
then
adjust
that
cost
share
down
to
twenty
seven
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
three
dollars
and
seventy
seven
cents.
B
Now
we
aren't
applying
the
consumer
price
index
to
those
figures,
but
mostly
because
there
was
an
agreement
that
kind
of
already
locked
into
dollar
amounts.
Now
that
doesn't
I
doesn't
mean
we
can't
at
least
talk
about
consumer
price
index
on
that.
But
with
that
I
guess
I'll
ask
if
you
have
questions
the
anything
you
want
me
to
go
back
over
because
I
know
I
just
spit
out
a
lot
of
numbers
to
consider.
C
B
E
C
A
C
C
There
was
another
provision
in
there
too
that
said
that
if
he
were
to
connect
on
the
south
side
or
if
development
were
to
happen
on
the
south
side
or
the
north
side,
it
would
just
be
50%
if
he
was
connecting
to
one
side
so
like
how
he's
doing
he's
developing
from
the
south.
So
it
just
be
50
percent
upfront
for.
C
A
D
E
A
So
since
there's
a
plat
being
proposed,
this
is
going
to
be
a
condition
of
plat
approval
that
the
development
agreement
be
executed
and
the
cost
recovery
elements
be
included
in
that
development.
Agreement,
like
any
plat,
has
responsibilities
of
the
person
planning
they'll
have
to
cover
so
Shane's
going
to
be
writing
the
development
agreement
to
go
with
a
plat,
and
this
would
be
one
of
the
conditions
so
that
they
they
pay
this.
A
B
So
so,
primarily
I'm
looking
for
direction
and
how
we
handle
the
cost
share
of
nor
second
street.
Do
we
just
do
the
straight
dollar
amount,
or
do
we
apply
the
cost
of
the
consumer
price
index,
factor
to
it
that
that's
really
kind
of
blowing
down
to
where
one
of
the
simple
decisions
that
I
would
like
to
get
some
direction
and
that.
D
F
C
G
B
This
is
a
little
bit
different.
In
fact,
the
only
reason
I
say
it's
different
is
because
we
built
a
concrete
versus
an
asphalt
road.
We
built
a
little
bit
wider
road
than
a
then
usual,
because
it's
a
collector
so
90%
of
the
time.
We
don't
have
this
discussion,
because
the
developer
is
the
one
that's
actually
building
the
road.
In
this
case
the
road
got
improved
multiple
times
already
in
its
history.
B
In
fact,
the
roadway
was
in
a
gravel
County
Road
that
got
improved
to
a
asphalt
road
that
quickly
fell
apart
and
then
was
reconstructed
and
then
was
falling
apart
again
and
was
facing
a
second
reconstruction
when
this
project
came
forward.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
the
High
Plains
developer
has
not
been
included
in
a
cost
recovery,
for
this
project
is
because
they've
already
presumably
paid
for
two
roadways
that,
albeit
fell
apart
prematurely.
Shouldn't
have
fell
apart
this
soon
and
but
they've
already
paid
some
investment
in
this.
B
So
the
way
this
would
stand
is
that
all
of
the
space
between
Timberland
and
well
I'll
take
that
back
all
the
space
between
14th
Avenue
and
20th
Avenue.
That
hasn't
already
been
associated
with
development
would
be
paying
their
pro
rata
share,
based
on
whatever
we
decided
to
pursue,
and
that's
I'm,
just
simply
asking
that.
Do
we
recover
our
costs
at
the
time
of
2012
the
5191,
or
do
we
want
to
put
a
Consumer,
Price,
Index
factor
on
and.
B
I
think
the
inflationary
factor
is
fine.
However,
the
the
developer
probably
would
argue
that
the
costs
of
we
were
in
an
inflated
inflationary,
mold
back
in
2011-2012,
which
maybe
doesn't
exist
today.
I
can't
tell
you
that
for
face
value,
because
I
didn't
work
here
in
town
I,
don't
know
what
the
price
asphalt
was.
They
don't
know
what
the
price
of
concrete
was
in
2012
I
don't
have
a
history,
but
so
with
that
I
guess
it's
thinking.
A
Answer
with
the
history
here
is
that
we
don't
normally
have
extended
payback
times
up
until
the
Eastwood's
property
acquisition,
which
we
collect
on
a
pro
rata
share
for
developers
tributary
to
it.
That's
the
only
project
where
we've
applied
an
inflationary
factor,
but
that's
also
the
most
recent
cost
recovery
project.
A
This
would
be
the
next
one
and
this
one
it's
up
to
you
now,
if
you
want
to
continue
that
practice,
there's
not
very
much
inflation
from
when
this
was
built,
but
the
next
phase
could
be
in
two
years
could
be
in
20
years.
If
it's
in
two
years
it
won't
be
much
different,
but
if
it's
in
20
years
yeah
it's
it's
gonna,
be
quite
a
bit
different,
so
our
most
recent
practice
has
been
to
apply
inflation
to
our
cost
for
the
recovery.
D
On
this
one,
we
have
it's
not
exactly
like
this,
but
where
we
have
where
the
city
has
fronted
some
of
these
costs,
we
have
had
agreements
that
have
had
either
a
hard-and-fast
number
attached
or
we've
had
a
percentage
of
interest
to
be
applied
annually,
which
you
know
any
one
of
these.
You
know
at
any
point
could
get
done.
It
would
seem
to
me,
based
on
the
Eastwood's
tributary
practice,
and
what
I
would
call
recent
history
where
we
have
charged
interest
rates
on
an
annual
basis.
D
B
A
Assuming
we
would
do
that
our
standard
assessment
project-
this
is
not
an
assessment
project.
This
is
a
cost
recovery
which
is
different,
but
we
do
assessment
projects
every
year,
alleys
and
streets
and
those
do
have
an
interest
rate
and
they
don't
have
an
indefinite
amount
of
time
to
pay
those
off
and
Shelley.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
I
think
is
it
ten
years
max
and
the
interest
rate
used
to
always
be
ten
percent
and
we've
recently
on
a
at
least
one
project
reduced
that
interest
rate
on
an
assessment
project
down
to
three
percent.
A
D
B
B
D
So
it's
already
built
into
these
numbers.
Okay,
good,
wait,
wait!
That's
my
recommendation.
I
would
I
think
we
should
it's
the
it
mirrors
most
closely.
What
we've
been
doing,
albeit
on
a
sparse
basis,
because
it
doesn't
happen
all
that
often,
but
it
does
seem
to
be
in
line
with
what
we
have
done
and
it
seems
probably
more
reasonable
go
to
the
CPI.
Then
it
would
be
a
fixed
dollar
or
a
fixed
percentage
month.
My
recommendation
I,
don't.
G
G
D
B
Not
I,
this
is
just
for
informational
purposes.
We
do
have
assessment
projects
that
have
agreements
that
date
back
as
far
as
1970,
so
we
have
many
a
whole
list
of
Susman
projects
from
1970
to
current
that
have
already
agreements
and
parameters
assigned
to
them
for
us
to
collect
when
when
activity
happens
along
those
routes,
so
there
are
many
of
many
of
them
too
for
us
to
tracking
keep
track
of,
and
we'll
strive
to
do
this
do
so
the
best
that
we
can,
but
where
we
don't
have
set
parameters
well,
I'm.
B
What
we'll
probably
ask
for
some
point
going
forward
is
that
we
set
this
procedure
up
that,
if,
if
we're
gonna
do
a
cost
recovery
that
we
either
tie
it
to
this
Consumer
Price,
Index
or
some
other
method,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
come
to
you
folks
frequently
to
have
this
discussion.
So
this
one
kind
of
fell
in
between
methods
and
I
just
wanted
some
feedback
before
I
put
the
development
we.
D
So
we
don't
have
any
that
you
know
to
me.
It
seems
like
it
would
certainly
simplify
things
and
be
more
consistent,
more
fair,
long
term,
if
we
documented
our
rhymin
reason
and
how
we're
going
to
do
it
and
then
we
follow
that
make
sure
it's
manageable.
That's
probably
my
biggest
concern
is
we
have
some
of
these
things
that
we
do.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
development,
a
lot
of
agreements.
We
got
waivers
our
right
to
protest.
B
You
know
that
would
be
the
same
thing
so
either
that
or
we
need
to
follow
traditional
assessment
procedures
where
it's
locked
in
for
a
person.
You
know
at
a
set
timeframe,
a
set
interest
rate
and
procedures
that
we
collect
through
the
tax
rule
would
be
the
only
other.
We
have
to
do
a
one
or
the
other
way,
or
both
actually
I
mean
you
could
have
two
different
systems
set
up,
but
assessments
are,
are
once
they're
set
their
hands
off.
They
just
get
collected
normally.
A
B
F
D
A
D
I
bring
in
the
46
acres,
Shane
and
I
make
a
hundred
Lots
and
I
start
selling
off
one
by
one,
and
the
assessment
was
four
on
the
46
acres.
Let's
just
say
that
I
have
each
one
is
an
acre
lot
right.
I
got
46
of
them,
146,
that's
going
to,
or
some
number
it's
going
to
come
off
of
that
original
assessment
and
get
tagged
to
that
specific
property.
We.
A
Have
had
assessment
projects
that
subdivided
and
we're
calling
them
assessment
projects
the
all
that
sewer
list
that
Shane
was
referring
to
those
are
really
cost
recovery
projects
easy
for
us.
We
did
lineal
foot
and
we
don't
care
how
much
is
in
there
if
they
subdivide
it's
still
lineal
foot,
but
when
we
do
a
true
assessment
project
and
it
goes
on
to
the
tax
roll
for
ten
years,
if
they
subdivide
before
that
ten
years
is
up,
I,
don't
know
how
they
do
that.
F
A
D
H
Usually,
that's
all
on
the
developers
usually
what
it
does
and
then
they
factored
into
the
cost
of
their
Lots
when
they,
when
they
put
together.
That's
why
some
of
the
Lots
are
cheaper,
though
usually
they
try
to
entice
people
to
get
into
the
original
Lots
so
that
they
can
get
some
money
flowing
back
to
them
and
then
they
get
more
expensive
as
they
go
down
the
road.
Usually,
when
you
have
assessments
they
have
to
be
paid
before
you
can
before
you
can
sell
them
to
the
next
individual.
A
G
Shane
as
long
as
you're
in
the
hot
seat
there
and
we're
talking
about
valid
you,
can
you
give
us
a
brief
overview
and
I
stress
brief
on
this,
based
upon
the
last
Planning
Commission
meeting,
what
is
going
to
be
coming
before
us
and
and
when
is
a
relative
to
vallivue?
Can
you
touch
on
that
as
briefly
I'll.
B
B
B
So
she's
gonna
turn
on
the
preliminary
plan
and
it
shows
the
phases
but
as
far
as
timeline
goes
I'm
working
on
development
agreement,
I
would
have
ideally
had
that
plat
before
you
tonight,
but
there
were
too
many
loose
ends
to
pull
together
to
get
done
concisely
enough
to
comfortably
bring
it
to
you.
So
I'm,
hoping
that
I'm
there
in
two
weeks
time
or
for
the
first
meeting
in
September
and
that's
what
we're
we're
gonna
strive
to
to
bring
it
to
you
at
that
point
know.
I
G
B
The
the
attempt
is
still
that
the
to
find
consensus,
I
I,
don't
know
that
that
they
will
our
our
ordinances
do
not
dictate
that
the
downstream
landowner
have
he's
asking
for
piping
or
something
across
his
property.
Our
ordinances
meter
that
say
that
we
can
release
water
at
the
prehistoric
rate
in
its
existing
locations.
B
J
Just
Shane
just
a
question
on
the
south
side
and
on
the
west
side,
all
of
that
land
on
that
hill
on
the
hill,
you
know
going
down
toward
the
property.
All
of
that
is
dug
up
now.
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
a
that
was
going
to
be
the
reservoir
there
to
slow
that
water
down,
but
that's
all
black
dirt
now
on
well,
the
developer.
B
J
A
Swept
probably
has
their
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plan.
Probably
has
some
mechanisms
in
place
to
slow
the
water
down
it's
supposed
to
so
before
we
get
to
off
track.
I
want
to
summarize
for
second
street
the
assessments
for
or
in
summary
of
what
Shane
should
capture
in
the
development
agreement.
For
the
Platt
is
that
there
will
be
a
linear
foot
charge
for
the
street
improvements
based
on
the
51
and
change
dollars
per
foot.
There
will
be
a
sewer
cost.
A
Those
will
be
added
together
and
a
consumer
price
index
will
be
added
to
that
for
inflation
and
they'll
pay
that,
before
the
plats
recorded,
is
everyone
more
or
less
in
agreement
with
that?
Okay,
so
you
can
write
that
up
Shane
anybody
have
any
more
questions
about
second
Street
or
Valley
View.
Before
we
move
on
okay,
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
the
RZ
Edition
public
road
dedication
and
Shane
was
gonna
talk
about
that
one
as
well.
A
13Th
Avenue
Southeast
was
constructed,
know
the
year,
probably
at
least
ten
years
ago,
or
more
from
14th
Street
East
to
the
West
in
ending
in
a
cul-de-sac,
and
that
was
intended
to
be
a
private
road
and
it
was
planted
as
a
private
road.
It's
labeled
as
a
private
road
about
two
thousand
seven
or
eight.
A
The
developer
asked
the
city
to
take
that
road
over
as
a
public
road
and
they
were
required
to
pave
it,
which
they
did,
and
so
the
the
road
has
now
been
paved
in
order
for
that
to
be
a
standard
city
street,
it
would
have
had
to
be
built
in
accordance
with
our
ordinance
requirements,
including
the
sewer
requirements.
The
the
road
was
built
more
or
less
to
the
city
standards.
The
sewer
was
not,
and
there
are
still
some
outstanding
sewer
issues,
there's
a
pipe
in
the
ground
and
sir.
A
H
A
A
But
the
way
this
was
plaited
puts
it
all
on
one
person
and
they
have
no
way
of
sharing
the
cost
for
maintenance
of
that
road
or
of
the
sewer
or
any
other
any
of
the
rest
of
it.
So
for
us,
it's
it's
like
any
other
Road,
it's
built
in
a
similar
way.
It
is
to
our
standard
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
the
sewer
part
isn't
done
yet
so
that
isn't
to
our
standard.
So
the
property
owners
asking
us
to
take
over
the
road
and
he'll.
B
Me,
let
me
I'll
dive
in
with
some
different
detail.
So,
let's
finish
the
road
discussion.
First,
this
portion
of
the
roadway
was
I'll,
say
recently
vacated
within
the
last
few
years
and
they
were
supposed
to
rededicate
a
right
away
or
easement
somehow
to
get
back
up
to
the
provider
outlet
at
some
point,
if
you
look
at
this
turnaround
that
they
constructed
portions
of
that
also
are
not
in
within
whatever
right
away
that
they
provided
us.
B
If
we
take
it
over
so
there's
gonna
have
to
be
a
access,
easement
or
a
dedication
of
some
sorts
here
on
this
North
End
of
the
turnaround,
and
maybe
a
slight
portion
down
here
in
the
south
turn
around.
So
that's
the
road
Road
things
storm
sewer.
There
really
isn't
any
storm
sewer
in
here.
This
roadway
has
a
spillway
down
down
here
on
the
west
end
that
spills
into
the
Robie
Creek
drainage
plane.
B
So
we,
as
far
as
I,
know
there
aren't
any
major
issues
with
regard
to
drainage.
That
I'm,
aware
of
the
lift
station,
sits
approximately,
where
I
put
the
hand
here
and
is
was
built
completely,
not
the
city
standards.
The
wastewater
folks
have
put
together
a
large
list
of
improvements
that
would
need
to
be
done
to
that
it
includes
it
only
has
a
single
pump.
It
needs
to
have
duplex
pumps,
the
pumps
or
a
single-phase.
B
The
wet
well
is
probably
under
sized
because
of
the
single
pump
in
there
as
well,
so
that
might
need
to
be
upgrades.
The
the
wet
well
has
a
long
list
of
deficiencies,
no
locks
on
the
doorway
snow
check.
Pit
no
check
valves
on
the
force
main
no
closure
valve
on
the
force
mean
no
base,
elbows,
no
piping
in
the
wet,
well,
etc,
etc.
So,
there's
lots
of
things
with
the
wet
well.
That
would
need
to
be
improved
to
bring
that
up
to
standards.
B
Then
the
one
of
the
other
main
concerns
is
that
the
force
main
is
rather
shallow
and
discharges
into
a
shallow
mantle
and
there's
freezing
concerns
with
that.
Because
of
the
flow
in
this
area
isn't
very
substantial,
so
the
pump
doesn't
pump
very
often,
and
so
that
would
be
a
concern
as
well.
The
as
far
as
the
waste
water
plant
could
tell
that
they've
never
televised
the
sanitary
sewer
mains
in
this
development,
and
we
would
probably
want
to
have
an
opportunity
to
jet
and
televise
that
also
before
we
did
anything
as
far
as
taking
it
over.
B
So
there's
a
fairly
long
list
of
waste
water
issues,
and
we
haven't
done
a
detailed
cost
estimate
what
it
would
cost
to
do
all
this
work,
however,
I'll
just
throw
out
a
long
sum,
that's
not
substantiated
by
anything
but
other
than
what
our
gut
instinct
on
current
costs
for
lift
stations.
Our
lift
stations
are
quite
widely
variable
in
price,
but
a
typical
lift
station
is
in
the
range
of
a
hundred
thousand
to
150
thousand,
depending
on
the
size,
location
and
the
flows
that
it's
expected
now.
B
This
is
a
relatively
small
area,
so
we
aren't
talking
about
them
a
massive
lift
station,
so
we're
probably
on
the
shorter
dollar
end.
Then
then,
a
larger
structure,
because
it's
not
real
deep.
It's
not
overly
big,
it's
the
pumps
don't
have
to
pump
thousands
of
gallons
of
water.
They
just
have
to
pull
hundreds
of
gallons
of
water
at
a
time
so,
but
what
we
would
do
is
probably
engage
a
pump
manufacturer.
Well,
we
have
a
local
company.
B
K
One
thing
if
I
could
note
the
mayor
pointed
out,
which
I
think
is
important,
is
that
this
this
private
road
did
not
have
a
maintenance
agreement.
This
road
was
plaited,
along
with
the
development
back
in
1995
and
since
2011
we
have
in
ordinance
the
requirement
that
any
plaited
private
roadway
drive
what-have-you
has
to
have
a
maintenance
agreement
so
that
an
issue
like
this
doesn't
creep
up
again.
A
A
It's
unclear
so
I
think
this
is
a
good
time
to
clean
it
up
and
it
isn't
the
way
we'd
like
to
do
it,
but
I
think
for
to
clean
it
up.
There
is
some
benefit
to
us
in
the
future,
really
that
what
would
you
see
as
the
requirements
on
the
developer
for
us
to
be
willing
to
take
the
road
over?
That's
that's
the
question
we're
asking
today
so.
H
A
That's
what
you're
suggesting
I
mean
the
property
owner
had
a
meeting
with
the
city
and
apparently
didn't
get
a
detailed
list
of
what
the
deficiencies
were
left
the
meeting
with
remembering
what
the
requirements
were
going
to
be
and
as
offered
and
I'll
read
this
to
you,
we
understand
the
lift
station
needs
to
have
a
redundant
pump
and
a
SCADA
system
installed
to
meet
city
standards.
We
consider
installing
the
redundant
pump
to
be
our
responsibility,
and
should
the
city
decide
to
take
over
the
street,
we
will
install
the
pump
and
the
SCADA
system.
A
So
they're,
not
looking
at
this
big
long
punch
list,
they're
looking
at
a
couple
things
on
it
and
some
of
those
things
are
more
expensive
than
others,
but
ultimately
it's
up
to
the
council,
whether
or
not
we
would
accept
this
offer
and
for
you
to
define
the
terms
upon
which
we
would
accept
the
street.
What
what
was.
G
A
Sort
of
it
they
planted
it
as
a
private
road,
and
so
they
didn't
meet
our
standards
they
didn't
have
to
butt
in.
It
was
about
2007
I
think
when
they
first
asked
the
city
to
take
it
over
and
at
that
time,
that's
when
they
were
told
they
had
to
pave
it
and
bring
the
sewer
up
to
standard
and
they
paved
it.
But
the
sewer
was
not
brought
up
to
standard,
but.
D
F
B
Before
we
make
that
final
determination,
one
of
the
things
and
I'm
just
gonna,
read
between
the
lines
here
again.
What
we
would
try
to
do
is
reach
out
and
work
with
these
folks
through
a
development
agreement
or
some
type
of
subsequent
agreement
that
sets
the
path
for
us
to
take
it
over,
and
one
of
the
requests
I
think
we're
hearing
is
that
the
folks
that
own
subsequently
have
owned
the
properties
along
there
probably
are
willing
to
work
with
the
city
on
a
way
to
get
this
done.
B
I'm
presuming
that
they
may
want
to
entertain
a
assessment
procedure
of
somehow
where
they
can
pay,
do
the
improvements
pay
for
them
over
a
period
of
time,
and
if
that's
the
case-
and
that
probably
means
the
city
puts
either
we
put
the
money
upfront
or
they
put
the
money
up
front
and
then
decide
how
they're
gonna
pay
for
it
amongst
themselves,
but
that
that
some
type
of
agreement
to
move
this
from
private
hands
to
public
hands
is
what
it
needs
to
be
done.
Here's.
D
My
concern,
you
know
I'm
good
with
the
chip
seal.
If
that's
what's
required,
we,
if
we
did
on
in
ten
years
ago,
to
be
doing
that
now
anyway.
Well,
it
really
concerns
me
and
I've.
Seen
it
before
is,
is
and
I'm
going
to
say
with
good
intentions.
Developers
go
out
and
they
don't
want.
Let's
use
do
this
one,
for
example,
I
I'm
gonna.
Do
it
so
that
it's
a
private
road
I'm
not
going
to
have
a
public
road?
D
Then
there
comes
a
time
when
it's
I
don't
want
the
private
road
anymore
and
there's
somewhat
of
an
expectation
that
I'm
gonna
give
this
to
you,
mr.
and
mrs.
city,
and
we
have
to
foot
the
bill
so
it
actually
by
taking
an
action
and
saying
that
they
shouldn't
pay
for
all
of
the
sewer
part
of
it
or
anything
else
other
than
the
chip
seal
is
really
rewarding
them
for
poor
behavior.
So
to
speak,
if
it's
a
child,
also
her
dog
right
well,
I,
don't
think
that
we
can
do
that.
D
A
So
we
would
put
that
detailed
list
in
order
and
Mike
you
can
help
us
do
that
and
figure
out
an
expected
cost
for
that,
and
and
then
that
leads
us
to
the
next
part
of
this
discussion,
which
would
be.
How
is
that
accomplished?
Because
the
property
owner
doesn't
have
an
easy
way
to
collect
the
money
to
do
the
sewer
improvements?
A
We
have
a
process
of
assessment
where
it's
put
on
the
taxes
property
owners,
so
if
they
would
bring
forward
a
petition
of
all
the
property
owners
in
that
subdivision,
which
are
benefiting
from
the
sewer
improvements
who
would
all
agree
to
pay
their
pro
rata
share
of
the
sewer
improvements,
whatever
they
might
be,
then
we
are
protected.
The
project
would
go
forward.
A
The
city
would
have
to
pay
it
up
front
if
we
did
an
assessment
project
cuz,
that's
how
assessment
projects
work,
but
then
we'd
have
assurance
through
taxes
that
the
money
would
be
collected
to
reimburse
us,
and
there
is
an
interest
element
in
that
and
it's
been
historically
10%,
except
for
the
4%
one
that
we
did
recently.
So
that's
another
option,
but
we
can't
do
an
assessment
project
on
a
private
road.
A
We
would
have
to
take
the
road
over
and
we
could
write
the
development
agreement
such
that
the
there
must
be
a
successful
assessment
project
or
the
road
automatically
goes
back
to
private
status
without
any
further
action
on
the
part
of
the
council
by
such
a
certain
date.
If
that
I
mean
that's
one
way,
we
could
do
that.
Well,.
H
I
think
they
got
to
get
the
approval
from
their
landowners
there
too,
that
are
willing
to
put
out
that
money.
I
mean
I
mean
otherwise
it's
it's
a
waste
of
their
time,
our
time,
no
they
need
to.
They
need
to
make
sure
that
they
know
exact
car
close
to
it
and
then
say
all
right.
We
need
to
have
95
percent
or
it
looks.
I
was
looking
up
as
to
who
the
owners
are
there's
about
eight
different
owners
in
that
group
out
there
on
that
street.
So.
H
A
Years
to
pay
it
by
a
standard
assessment
process
and
if
they're,
all
in
favor
of
petitioning
an
assessment
project-
and
we
have
an
agreement
in
writing
from
all
of
those
folks
to
carry
through
on
those
obligations
or
it
goes
back
to
private
status,
then
I
think
we're
adequately
protected.
But
we
don't
want
to
this
is
kind
of
hook.
We
don't
want
to
do
a
bunch
of
work
if
you
aren't
in
favor
of
that.
I
This
would
be
like
any
other
type
of
assessment
project
that
we
do.
We
don't
normally
budget
for
them,
because
we
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
have
them,
so
they
come
out
of
existing
unallocated
fund
balance.
In
this
case,
if
it's
sewer
work,
it
would
come
out
of
the
sewer
fund
and
it
would
be
funded
and
then,
throughout
the
ten
years
any
revenue,
including
the
interest,
would
go
back
to
the
sewer
fund.
So
it
would
be
basically
a
sewer
funds,
unallocated
fund
balance
at
the
time
we
did
the
project
and.
I
D
H
L
I
think
some
of
the
stuff
is
I'm,
not
so
sure
we
wouldn't
lose
part
of
the
street
cuz
I
think
the
force
mean
is
so
shallow
that
it
freezes
and
I
don't
know
if
that
can
be
saved
and
I
think
it
says.
Maybe
a
shallow
was
four
and
a
half
feet
from
the
surface
when
it
drops
into
a
gravity
man,
all
we've
seen
Frost
get
down
to
seven
foot.
So
if
you
had
to
retrench
a
new
force
mean
and
a
deeper
one,
it
could
get
very
expensive.
L
I
and
one
of
the
biggest
drawbacks
is
that
lift
station
is
that
it
doesn't
have
a
check
valve
pit.
So
if
you're
working
in
this
situation,
if
you've
sent
a
guy
down
in
the
wet,
well
he's
hanging
on
a
cable
and
your
valves
and
nuts
and
bolts
are
down
in
there
corrosion
growers
and
corroded
rusted
you,
you
really
have
to
get
some
leverage
but
you're
dangling
from
a
cable.
So
normally
we
put
a
second
dry
pit
beside
the
wet
well
to
provide
a
safe
and
a
more
functional
workspace
for
check,
valves
and
isolation.
L
D
If
they
had
to
you
know
they
had
to
bury
that
and
that
dig
up
the
existing
four
and
a
half
foot
line
whatever
it
is
and
go
deeper
with
that
and
that
took
part
of
the
road
to
me.
That's
not
the
road
cost,
that's
the
sewer
cost
so
to
replace
the
road
as
part
of
the
sewer
project.
Would
that
be
correct
at.
L
B
Probably
this
would
be
lift
stations,
typically,
a
project
that
we
would
have
to
a
consultant
potentially
too
so
there's
definitely
some
work.
That
needs
to
be
done,
but
direction
as
to
how
we
get
that
work
accomplished
is
what
this
work
session
was
intended
for
tonight
and
I.
Think
the
American
summarize,
where
I
feel
like
I'm
at,
but
that's
that's
what
this
was
about,
was
to
give
you
guys
information.
B
I
Off
the
top,
my
head
always
a
dangerous
place
for
me
to
be,
but
there
I
am,
if
you
wanted
to
contemplate
depending
on
cost,
if
it's
gonna
get
costly
and
you
want
to
keep
moving
with
it.
If
you
want
to
do
a
special
assessment
project,
you
can
always
substitute
you
always
have
three
hundred
twenty-five
thousand
that
gets
budgeted
each
year
for
a
sewer
project,
either
rehab
or
reconstruction.
I
If
you
wanted
to
go
through
this
process,
you
could
use
that,
and
that
could
be
your
project
for
that
year.
It's
its
own
line
item,
it
would
be
its
own
project
and
you
could
assess
that
back
versus
trying
to
come
up
with
an
unallocated
fund
balance.
So
I
mean
it's
something
that
we
we
already
have
anticipated
it's
already
there
and
we
do
that
every
year
so
I
mean
so.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
whether
there's
unallocated
fund
balance
on
a
year
you're
doing
a
bigger
project
whenever
this
would
come
to
fruition.
I
I
Right,
but
if
you
guys
want
to
go
through
the
special
assessment
process
and
there's
and
it's
a
bigger
project,
if
you
did
not
want
to
contemplate
using
unallocated
fund
balance
and
having
you
know,
I
mean
it's
one
of
those
things
where,
where
that's
budgeted
each
year,
if
you
would
want
to
take
that,
that
would
be
up
to
you
guys
or
if
you
don't
want
to
go
through
the
special
assessment
project
and
use
any
City
dollars
you
can.
You
can
state
that
and
it
would
be
completely
up
to
them
to
come
up
with
the
dollars
upfront.
I
I
I
A
Have
options
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
know
all
the
details
right
now.
What
we
do
need
to
know
is
if,
if
the
council
would
be
in
favor
of
pursuing
this
type
of
arrangement,
where
the
city
would
take
over
the
street
on
certain
conditions,
that
the
sewer
improvements
be
brought
up
to
City
Standard
and
we'll
work
out
the
development
agreement,
that
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
anyway
for
action,
but
for
right
now.
A
D
I
mean
today
I,
don't
care
how
its
paid
back
today
is.
I
am
for
the
city
taken
over
under
the
conditions
that
you
just
mentioned.
Now
it's
going
to
be
up
to
somebody
to
figure
out
what
those
things
are
and
what
the
costs
are
and
if
the,
if
the
current
owner
chooses
that's
what
they
want
to
pursuit
and
then
we
can
look
at
options
on
based
on
the
dot,
because
it's
certainly
gonna
be.
D
You
know
the
total
amount
of
the
projects
gonna
dictate
to
some
extent
what
we
do
so
I
think
at
that
point
they,
if
it's
going
to
go
forward,
they
bring
it
back
and
we
can
look
at
options
and
but
doesn't
do
us
any
good
to
talk
about
them
tonight,
because
we
don't
know
what
we're
talking
about.
So
as
far
as
dollars
go
I.
B
I
B
A
K
K
The
problem
with
that
is
that
whole
document,
the
plat
map,
if
you
will
and
the
certifications,
are
all
viewed
as
one
contract,
and
so
what
you
look
at
and
canons
of
contract
construction
is,
if
you
have
two
conflicting
provisions,
which
most
clearly
indicates
the
intent
of
the
parties,
the
certification
language,
that
talks
about
the
public
right
of
all
rights
away
being
dedicated
to
the
public.
His
boilerplate,
the
plat,
however,
depicts
in
written
terms
what
exactly
that
parcel
that
road
parcel
is
supposed
to
be
dedicated
as
as
private
right
away.
K
A
It's
very
confusing,
because
what
area
are
they
assessing
tax
on
that
has
no
legal
description
other
than
private
roadway
and
if
Shane,
if
you
bring
up
the
GIS
and
click
on
it
with
the
eye
to
see
if
it
has
a
dot
they're,
not
taxing
it.
If
it
comes
up
as
a
lot,
somebody
might
be
paying
taxes
on
it,
but
I
I'm,
getting
a
venture
to
say
it
comes
up
as
a
dot
correct.
The
county
thinks
it's
right-of-way
and
it's
not
being
taxed
so.
D
If
we
look
at
any
of
the
purchase
agreements
on
those
Lots
that
were
sold
to
see,
if
there's
any
language
in
there
about
responsibility,
because
if
they
have
to
don't,
they
have
to
know
whether
this
is
a
public
or
a
private
road,
I
mean
they
shouldn't
be
calling
the
mayor
with
a
pothole
they'd,
be
calling
the
owner
right.
Well,.
D
A
A
Comes
up
as
the
same
as
right
away,
so
it's
probably
not
being
taxed,
it
should
be,
but
the
way
that
it
was
drawn
on
the
plat
itself
was
confusing,
so
they're
confused
anyway.
The
the
fact
of
the
matter
is:
we
have
an
opportunity
to
clear
this
up
and
I
think
you
have
probably
enough
information
Shane
to
to
draft
an
agreement.
We
need
to
keep
moving.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
The
next
item
is
discussion
of
proposed
US
highway,
212
changes
and
the
this
discussion
is
in
an
effort
to
give
the
State
Department
of
tation
the
assurance
they
need
to
move
forward
with
their
design
of
u.s.
highway
212.
They
want
to
know
what
we
want.
What
are
we
asking
for
when
it
comes
to
US
highway
212,
so
they
can
design
it
appropriately,
but
they
want
they
want
in
writing
like
in
resolution
form,
and
that's
not
what
you're
receiving
tonight
tonight's
just
discussion,
but
you're,
probably
going
to
see
a
letter.
A
Are
you
authorizing
me
to
sign
a
letter
or
a
resolution
by
the
council
for
action
on
several
Road
items
on
highway
212
11th,
Street,
intersection,
11th,
Street
East.
We've
asked
them
to
look
at
making
that
a
through
Road
that's
a
very
different
design
than
if
it's
not
a
through
Road
to
the
south.
What
do
we
want
to
do
there
where
the
traffic
signal
is
in
the
men
entrance
to
the
mall
is
south
of
the
traffic
signal?
Is
not
public
right-of-way,
it's
a
private
driveway
and
that's
not
the
normal
place
for
a
signal
now.
A
Would
we
consider
moving
that
to
a
public
road
intersection
and
we
probably
would
the
nearest
one
is
14th
Street,
which
goes
north
and
south,
but
it
needs
some
realignment.
So
if
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
do
that,
they
got
work
to
do
with
right-of-way
and
such
so.
That's
another
question
and
the
the
third
item
is
17th
Street,
which
is
going
to
take
a
lot
of
traffic
that
leads
to
the
soccer
fields
and
the
new
softball
complex,
and
that
comes
to
a
tee
and
it's
it's
not
a
good
place
for
an
intersection.
A
19Th
Street
has
a
signal,
so
we
might
want
to
realign
17th
to
line
up
with
the
signal
at
19th
Street,
which
would
also
involve
some
modification
to
their
design.
So
those
are
the
the
elements
the
d-o-t
would
like
the
city
to
say
what
we
want
in
writing
somehow.
So
we
want
to
know
what
what
you
think
I.
D
D
D
A
H
L
A
A
B
B
Kind
of
step,
one
or
two
step
after
they
receive
this,
then
subsequently,
whatever
we
decide
to
go
agree
to
going
forward,
they
will
engage
us
in
a
agreement
that
we
would
have
to
pass
by
resolution
and
you
know
go
forward
because
they
won't.
They
will
not
work
with
us
continuously
without
a
commitment
from
the
city
on
payment
and
and
the
design
as
well.
So.
B
E
K
E
B
B
The
d-o-t
has
done
a
very
good
job
of
engaging
all
of
the
property
owners
along
212.
They
know
what
they're
being
asked
to
they're,
taking
or
taking.
Isn't
the
correct
word
purchasing
additional
right
away
to
accommodate
the
sidewalk
along
there,
so
they
there
right
away.
People
have
been
engaged
in
this
project
for
for
quite
a
few
years,
actually
already
and
so
they're
lining
it
all
up,
so
that
there's
a
design
team
can
complete
their
design
and
the
state
will
be
purchasing
and
working
with
all
of
the
landowners
along
the
project.
Shane.
B
D
D
G
Shane
or
mayor
I
mean
you,
you
threw
out
three
suggestions
which
I
we've
just
talked
about
before
and
I'm
fully
support
as
well.
Is
there
something
else
I
mean
I,
get
an
email
from
from
Don
Roby
on
the
deal
with
tea
board.
Obviously,
just
the
other
day
he
said,
plans
a
highway
to
fail.
Reconstruction
are
well
underway,
so
I
guess
I'm
asked.
Is
there
something
else
before
it's
too
late
that
we
want
to
look
at
along
here?
While
we've
got
the
chance,
because
it
sounds
like
the
window
of
opportunity
is
closing
real
fast
here,
we've.
B
With
the
great
assistance
from
the
wastewater
department,
we
have
actually
televised
all
of
our
sanitary
sewer
lines.
All
of
our
storm
sewer
lines
that
the
city's
directly
responsible
for
along
the
stretch
and
have
evaluated
them
and
found
no
significant
issues
that
we
would
need
to
take
care
of
along
with
their
project.
So
from
an
infrastructure
standpoint,
we're
in
pretty
good
shape
on
a
staff
level
of
all
the
engineering
department
is
working
with
the
d-o-t
to
try
to
illuminate
alleviate
some
of
the
drainage
issues
that
we
see
periodically
on
highway.
B
B
So,
just
to
give
you
a
quick
summary:
we
are
working
at
looking
at
the
area
between
highway
81
and
Roby
Creek
we're
trying
to
accommodate
either
a
portion
of
highway,
212
being
rerouted
to
trobee
Creek
and
emptying
there
or
planning
for
a
future
drainage
way
to
the
south
through
the
Shopko
area,
on
their
way
to
the
Big
Sur
River
as
well,
so
we're
working
with
the
d-o-t
to
identify
the
best
routes
for
some
of
that
storm
flow.
At
this
time,
I'd.
F
A
Can
talk
about
that
more
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
some
public
meetings,
but
you
have
direction
on
moving
forward
with
that.
Okay,
we're
gonna
skip
item
5,
update
on
storm
shelter
project
due
to
lack
of
time
here
and
move
on
to
discussion
of
ordinance,
1736
amending
section,
7.0
806
and
striking
section
18
point
O
108
to
clarify
the
authority
of
the
street
superintendent
I'll.
Let
Justin
lead
this
Thank.
K
You
mayor
I'll
be
very
quick
here.
The
majority
of
this
ordinance
is
clerical
housekeeping.
If
you
will
1801
Oh
8
is
a
substantive
copy
of
7.0
806
and
the
thought
is,
there's
no
need
to
have
it
doubled
up.
So
the
thought
was
to
eliminate
1801
Oh
8
leave
7.0
806.
The
revisions
to
7.0
806
reflect
the
fact
that
this
ordinance,
as
it
reads
currently,
is
what
was
passed
in
October
of
1889
by
the
City
Council
of
Watertown.
It
has
not
changed
since
then,
and
the
thought
is.
A
We
don't
number
him
anymore:
I
got
the
numbers
got
big.
Now
we
give
him
a
year.
Okay.
Item
number:
seven
is
discussion
on
ordinance,
17
40,
amending
section,
18
point
o
101
3
of
the
revised
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Watertown
to
prohibit
the
parking
of
boats,
jet
skis
and
campers,
slash
RVs
on
residential
streets,
Thank.
K
You
mayor,
given
the
short
time
frame,
this
is
likely
going
to
be
a
jumping
off
point
to
maybe
a
future
and
discussion.
But
the
thought
here
in
you-
you
might
recall
here
a
few
months
back.
There
was
a
provision
in
section
21
6501
in
our
zoning
ordinances,
that
related
to
storage
and
parking
on
on
lots
on
premise,
and
there
was
a
provision
within
that
ordinance
that
related
to
on
street
parking,
and
the
thought
was
well.
K
That's
more
of
a
police
power
concern
as
opposed
to
a
zoning
concern,
so
that
provision
should
substantially
be
moved
to
the
police
power
parking
provision
which
is
found
in
1801.
Oh
one,
subpart
three
was
appeared
to
be
the
best
place
to
house
that
provision
in
making
the
transition.
However,
law
enforcement
had
contacted
my
office
after
the
fact
and
had
noted
that
the
original
genesis
of
the
provision-
21
6501
sub
10
I,
believe
it
was
the
original
on
premise.
Parking
provision
and
zoning
law
had
a
number
of
purposes
behind
it.
K
K
The
way
that
the
language
currently
reads
right
now
is
it
wouldn't
capture
all
watercraft,
watercraft
trailers
or
campers
in
RVs
and
thought
was
then
to
insert
that
language
in
there
to
be
more
explicit.
Captain
McMahon
is
kind
enough
to
join
us
here,
to
you
know,
provide
some
additional
context,
maybe
some
additional
thoughts
on
potential
language,
sure.
M
Thank
You,
Justin
I
think
Justin
covered
it
pretty
well
from
the
police
department's
point
of
view.
There
are
a
couple
language
items
that
we'd
like
to
see
clarified
or
inserted.
One
is
the
over
1
ton
vehicle.
We
believe
that
should
be
the
vehicle
that
has
a
capacity
of
carrying
more
than
one
ton,
because
most
cars
are
probably
over
one
ton.
Then
the
other
deal
was
the
trailer
from
making
it
from
a
watercraft
trailer
to
essentially
any
trailer,
that's
parked
on
the
street.
That's
something
that
we
oftentimes
get
complaints
about.
M
So
just
a
couple
of
language
clarification
items
there
and
then,
lastly,
to
have
an
ordinance
that
is
easy
for
the
public
to
understand
and
adhere
to
as
well
as,
secondly,
an
ordinance,
that's
rather
easy
for
us
to
enforce.
So
an
ordinance
that
isn't
vague,
that's
pretty
clear
to
the
point
is
something
that
we'd
be
looking
for
and.
K
K
A
Would
just
like
to
add
my
concern
that
if
this
is
something
that
we
would
not
be
intending
to
enforce
all
the
time,
we'd
only
enforce
it
on
a
complaint
basis
or
if
someone's
really
doing
it
all
the
time
that
that
bothers
me
a
little
bit
to
have
something
that
we
were
passing
a
rule
that
we
may
not
be
actually
enforcing
all
the
time.
But
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
change
in
the
future
at
a
future
meeting.
So
people
will
be
able
to
weigh
in
on
right.