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A
B
Okay,
the
Watertown
parks,
rec
and
forestry
department
seeks
approval
to
allow
for
the
ongoing
Sale
serving
and
consumption
of
alcoholic
beverages
at
the
premier,
softball
complex
approval
would
enable
eligible
groups
with
the
proper
City
Council
approved
alcoholic
beverage
licenses
and
lease
agreements
to
include
alcohol
as
a
concession
to
be
consumed.
On-Site
bar
Tavern
is
a
listed
conditional
use
for
the
c1
community
commercial
district
for
21
24.
Oh
three,
four
and
other
uses
which,
in
the
opinion
of
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
are
of
the
same
in
general
character
may
be
approved
per
2124.
B
Oh
three,
twenty
seven,
the
definition
of
bart
Everett
bar
or
tavern
is
as
follows.
Any
establishment,
including
restaurants
and
gambling
establishments,
license
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
for
consumption
upon
the
premises.
We're
sold
are
provided.
The
term
bar
or
tavern
shall
also
include
establishments
licensed
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages
for
consumption
off
the
premises
were
sold.
B
The
site
plan
reflects
or
does
not
reflect
the
following
requirements
of
the
ordinance
section.
21
o
202
to
b7
A
through
H
specific
rules
governing
individual
conditional
uses
requires
its
board's
consideration
of
such
things
as
ingress,
egress
off
street
parking,
loading
screening,
buffering,
signage,
exterior
lighting
required
yards
and
open
space
and
general
compatibility.
B
You
can
your
agenda
packet
includes
sheets,
40
and
46,
which
is
the
light
landscape
or
the
site
landscaping
plan
that
was
originally
submitted
for
this
complex
20.
Excuse
me,
2.0,
102
location
no
longer
applies
to
the
c1
zone,
so
we
don't
have
to
consider
that
chapter
21,
63
off-street
parking
and
loading
requirements
and
engineering
design
standards.
Again.
Your
agenda
packet
includes
sheets,
45
and
46
of
the
original
submitted
site
plans,
and
that
is
regarding
parking
lot
and
site
landscaping.
Plans,
chapter
21,
65,
outside
storage
and
display
requirements
for
specific
uses.
B
Neither
outside
displays
of
merchandise
nor
outside
storage
were
specifically
addressed
yet
and
421
6502
2,
outside
storage
and
displays
of
commercial
uses,
merchandise,
which
is
offered
for
sale,
rental
or
lease
may
be
displayed
beyond
the
confines
of
a
building.
Signage
has
not
yet
been
specifically
addressed
in
chapter
21,
73,
landscape
and
lighting
standards.
B
Adequate
screening
of
a
parking
lot
from
adjacent
residential
II
used
property
shall
be
provided
and
dumpsters
must
be
screened
for
twenty
one,
seven,
three,
oh
four,
three
and
four
and
four
twenty
one:
seven
three,
oh
three
interior
parking
lot
trees
are
shown
in
the
plans
on
sheet
forty
six,
but
have
not
yet
been
planted
and
eighty-eight.
Other
trees
are
to
be
planted
according
to
the
landscape
plan
sheet,
46
regarding
titles,
five,
eighteen,
twenty
one,
twenty
four
in
regards
to
sidewalk,
curb
gutter,
subdivision,
etc.
The
property
lacks
basic
Boulevard
infrastructure,
curb
gutter
sidewalk
trees.
B
Still
this
is
a
city-owned
property
and
Boulevard
infrastructure
will
be
pleaded
as
street
improvements
and
connectivity
projects
are
warranted
are
budgeted.
This
board
must
determine
if
satisfactory
provision
and
arrangement
has
been
made
concerning
2100
202
to
b7
A
through
H.
In
the
chapters
and
titles
mentioned.
If
application
is
endorsed,
the
board
may
consider
conditions
of
approval
such
as
specifying
or
limiting
the
areas
of
consumption,
timely,
full
fulfilment
of
any
all
lacking
Boulevard
infrastructure
requirements,
and/or
any
other
conditions,
the
board
deems
necessary.
B
A
A
F
E
This
is
actually
going
to
be
the
adult
softball
complex
premier,
softball
complex,
that
the
youth
activities
are
going
to
be
handled
at
Kut
complex,
so
the
only
exceptions
would
be
if
there
would
be
a
weekend,
tournament
type
thing
and
then
alcohol
sales
would
not
be
allowed
at
that
time.
We
are
working
on
a
lease
agreement
and
that
would
be
part
of
the
language
and
would
probably
state
something
that
you
know
under
18
or
something
like
that.
We're
still
working
on
that
document
so.
F
A
E
E
G
E
D
F
C
E
H
C
H
E
E
B
E
H
C
E
And
you
know
the
way
it
went
year,
prices
were
maintained
at
a
reasonable
amount
and
everybody
accepted
it
and
I
think
they
probably
had
two
situations
where
they
had
folks
bring
their
coolers
back
to
their
cars,
and
that
was
the
only
thing
else.
It
was
very
well
accepted
because
I
spent
quite
a
little
time
out
there
at
both
events
last
year,
and
it
went
over
very
well.
F
B
Only
thing
I
would
like
to
clarify
is
that
we,
unless
somebody
sees
fit
to
do
differently,
this
would
just
be
a
an
approval
with
no
time
limits
on
it,
not
seasonal,
not
anything.
Just
in
case
there
was
some
kind
of
a
winter
event
or
who
knows
what
could
come
up.
It
would
just
be
a
an
open-ended
instead
of
time
framed
event
and.
I
A
D
A
A
A
A
C
J
F
A
J
So
this
was
submitted
by
the
petitioner
Dennis
Arnold,
who
is
the
acting
president
of
Arnold
and
Arnold
construction,
which
he's
the
owner
of
the
area
which
he
is
working
on
subdividing
and
rezoning.
Currently,
we
just
have
the
rezone
in
front
of
us
which
he's
proposing
to
change
from
the
existing
egg
egg
agricultural
district
to
RG,
which
is
the
residential
garage
district.
The
petitioners
submitted
application
and
petition
on
March
6
2018,
requesting
approval
for
rezoning
the
current
described
property
from
agricultural
district
to
RG.
J
The
applicant
seeks
to
rezone
this
area
to
provide
for
additional
parking
across
from
Hidden
Valley
residential
district
or
for
the
neighboring
owners
to
construct
residential
garages
for
residential
storage.
A
plat
of
this
area
will
be
coming
forward,
as
information
is
presented
to
the
city
engineering
department
after
the
developer,
and
his
engineer
have
correspondence
with
the
state
and
federal
agencies
related
to
the
potential
impacts
to
wetlands
or
other
cultural
resources.
If
a
plat
does
not
come
forth
within
one
year,
the
reason
will
be
null
and
void
which
that
language
is
included
in
the
resolution.
J
It
is
part
of
outlawed
a
currently
which
is
surrounded
by
the
existing
agricultural
district
to
the
east
and
then
single-family
residential
district
to
the
north,
south
and
east,
and
then
our
three
multi-family
residential
district
to
the
west,
which
is
actually
what
we
just
looked
at
a
couple
weeks
ago
with
the
plat
of
Hidden
Valley.
So
this
will
be
on
the
east
side
of
pom
Pesce
Drive.
J
As
per
the
petition,
it's
a
requirement
that
the
petitioner
obtained
fifty
five
percent
of
the
adjacent
landowners
to
the
property
that
he's
proposing
to
rezone,
as
well
as
fifty-five
percent
of
the
property
owners
within
two
hundred
and
fifty
feet,
who
are
all
who
will
be
notified
or
who
have
been
notified
of
this
proposal
and
they
all
have
signed
off
and
in
your
packet.
It
doesn't
show
all
of
the
signatures,
but
yesterday,
actually
he
did
bring
he
he
has
obtained
more.
J
What
we're
waiting
to
hear
back
so
these
upon
talking
with
this
engineer
lot
one
in
to
have
sufficient
buildable
area,
but
lots
a
lot.
Three
is
questionable
at
four
needs,
some
mitigation
done.
So
that
is
why
we
didn't
bring
the
plat
with
this
rezone.
Now
the
reasonable
process
takes
longer
than
the
planning
process,
so
he
asked
that
we
keep
this
moving
forward
and
that's
why?
J
If
a
platen
ever
does
come
forth
that
this
would
become
null
and
void
before
a
year,
but
that's
where
that
he
can
work
with
the
core
to
get
a
get
permits
to
mitigate
and
enhance,
and
the
reason
why
we
didn't
want
to
bring
that
plat
is
because
he
owns
the
out
lot.
So
then
he
can.
He
has
room
to
work
with
them.
J
I
J
And
it
depends
on
how
much
fill
is
necessary
for
the
garage
in
the
buildable
area
and
for
his
setbacks.
Cuz
he's
still
going
to
have
a
25-foot
rear
yard
setback,
so
he
was
working
with
his
engineer
to
incorporate
as
much
wetland
as
he
could
so
that
it
would
leave
more
buildable
area
for
the
garages
and
then
also
it'll
depend
on
what
permit
they
need
from
the
Corps,
depending
on
how
much
fill
is
necessary.
So
that's
what
we're
waiting
to
hear
from
from
his
engineer
so.
F
J
C
J
Right
which,
yes,
so
when
they
work
with
showing
where
the
wetlands
are
and
what
needs
to
be
done
as
far
as
mitigation
and
the
permits
to
the
Corps
then
we'll
before
we
would
bring
a
plat
for
word.
We
would
want
to
ensure
that
there
was
sufficient
buildable
area
and
not
not
just
minimal
necessarily
either.
I
F
J
Last
meeting
the
mayor's,
affordable
housing
committee
has
discussed,
creating
a
district
or
zoning
district
for
affordable
housing
for
single-family,
residential
and
tentatively
we're
calling
that
r1
a
but
that
subject
to
change.
As
with
any
of
these
things,
but
this
was
we
wanted
to
get
some
images
with
different
lot
coverages.
So
then
you
guys
could
start
to
decide
what
was
appropriate
for
this
district.
J
Nor
now
these
next
couple
slides
are
just
some
examples
of
PUD
s
or
are
two
ways
that
we
currently
have
in
ordinance
and
our
disowning
districts.
So
Northridge
was
done
as
a
PUD.
It
has
smaller
Lots
narrower
streets.
It
does
not
have
maximum
lot
coverage
or
structure
size,
which
is
why
we
coined
that
as
less
affordable,
because
there
were
no
restrictions,
so
big
houses
could
be
built
on
small
lots,
dakota
Commons.
J
Why
we
didn't
go
with
that
district
and
the
mayor
had
explained
that
that
would
create
a
lot
of
non-conformities
as
Archie
Way
can
have
no
new
development.
So
the
minimum
lot
area
for
those
district
for
that
district
is
six
thousand
square
feet
and
also
has
six
foot
side
yard
except
setbacks
are
the
main
differences,
oh
and
50.
Foot
lot
width
is,
which
is
what
we'd
be
proposing
for
our
1a.
J
So
then,
just
to
look
at
a
couple
examples.
This
lot
is
located
in
Northridge,
so
these
are
larger
Lots
than
what
we
would
be
looking
at
and
we'll
get
will
scale
it
down,
but
for
the
amount
of
impervious
lot
coverage,
this
equals
40,
49
percent,
so
about
50,
50
and
then
on.
The
smaller
Lots
I
also
included
the
how
big
the
actual
structure
was
as
well,
but
for
this
one
or
at
49
percent.
J
This
is
also
in
the
Northridge
development,
and
this
is
at
41.3%,
and
that
is
including
the
large
driveway
triple
driveway
and
the
shed
in
the
back.
So
then,
this
is
very
comparable
to
what
the
lot
sizes
would
be
of
the
r18
district
and
I
thought.
It
was
nice,
a
nice
comparison
that
they
were
all
side
by
side.
J
So
you
can
really
decide
and
determine
what
is
appropriate
for
a
lot
coverage
percentage,
so
308
down
here,
as
you
can
see,
with
the
structure,
17
percent
of
the
lot
is
covered
and
then
with
the
impervious
surfaces
which
are
very
minimal.
Obviously
that's
why--that's,
19
percent
and
then
314
is
at
30
percent
with
the
structure
and
then
45
percent
with
the
impervious
surfaces
which
you
can
see.
J
Also,
the
garage
is
towards
the
alley,
which
I
think
is
a
nice
feature
that
could
be
utilized
with
this
district
and
then
318,
36
percent
of
structure
coverage
and
49
percent
of
impervious,
and
then
322
is
16
percent
and
19
percent
of
the
structure
and
impervious
so
we'll
come
back
to
this
one,
because
I
think
this
helps
make
a
lot
of
decisions,
but
moving
on
we
have
over
here.
This
is
also
in
the
Northridge
development,
and
this
is
kind
of
showing
what
the
duplex
situation
would
be
like.
J
This
is
a
50
foot
lot,
so
that
would
be
necessary
to
be
conforming
and
then
whatever
we
would
decide
for
the
maximum
structure
and
impervious
surface
percentage,
then
that
would
be
included
with
a
shared
wall
which
should
maximize
you
know
using
less
building
materials
and
then
also
more
green
space.
If
there's
a
maximum
structure
size
and
the
impervious
surfaces
on
this
structure
or
on
this
lot
are
36%
and
the
structure
itself
is
28%,
which
is
still
an
18,000
1,800
square
foot
house.
J
This
structure
is
21%
of
a
lot
is
covered
with
the
structure
itself,
30%
with
the
all
of
the
impervious
surfaces
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
driveway
is
for
a
single
stall,
which
is
something
we
would
want
to
look
at
for
where
what
we're
allowing
for
curb
cuts
on
to
public
right
of
ways,
this
property
is
54
percent
covered
with
impervious
surfaces.
The
house
alone
covers
42
percent,
again
single
stall
driveway,
and
then
this
slot
is
87
percent
covered
with
impervious
surfaces
and
54
percent.
With
the
structure
itself.
J
So
how
we
can
will
regulate
by
the
having
a
minimum
lot
area,
which
we've
talked
previously
about
being
5000
square
feet,
and
then
this.
These
are
arbitrary.
I
just
put
them
in
there.
So,
but
we
would
need
to
decide
what
the
allowance
was
for
impervious
lot
coverage
coverage
percentage
and
then,
as
well
as
the
structure
coverage
percentage
and
then
the
maximum
of
approach.
Width
at
curb
for
a
public
street
and
side
yard
setback,
and
then
I
mean
front
yard
and
rear
yard
as
well.
F
J
F
Up
I'm,
if
the
frontage
is
fifty,
but
if
I'm
on
a
corner
lot,
I've
got
a
fifty
by
a
hundred
I.
Don't
think
the
twelve
foot
really
needs
to
matter
there.
I
could
have
a
wider,
because
maybe
I'm
gonna
have
a
two
stall
garage
coming
off
that
side.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
so
I
think
I
would
I
would
ratchet
that
down
too
based
on
the
frontage
that
your
detector
act,
you're,
putting
your
ingress
and
egress
off
of
have.
F
It
still
meets
you
10
feet
between
structures
for
fire
code
purposes
and
we're
going
we're
talking
about
wanting
to
make
a
lot
buildable
and
affordable.
You
want
to
be
able
to
maximize
the
use
of
that
lot,
so
we
don't
have
to
come
back
and
be
dealing
with
variance
requests
down
the
road
and
if
we
go
with
the
5,
that's
a
that's
a
that's
an
absolute
for
me.
I
like
the
idea
of
a
35%
structure
coverage,
because
that's
that's
for
this
again.
F
K
K
F
F
Do
you
leave
that's
fine
I'm
just
saying,
but
you
have
to
look
at
two
of
if
it's,
if
a
minute,
if
it's
a
50-foot
lot
and
if
I
put
six
and
six
now
I've,
just
added
another
two
hundred
feet
of
space,
that
you
can't
use
for
construction
and
then
you're
limiting,
also
you're,
limiting
structure
size,
which
eventually
will
ask
people
coming
in
and
ask
for
variances.
And
so
that's
my
point.
F
K
J
F
Would
like
I
would
like,
as
we
move
forward
with
this
discussion,
and
if
we
are
gonna
go
with
this.
The
six-foot
aspect
of
it
I
would
like
to
see
some
actual
layouts.
You
know.
Have
somebody
draw
it
somewhere,
a
certain
size
house
could
be
located
where
the
the
driveway,
if
it's
a
tuck
behind
garage
in
the
back
or
whatever
and
the
other
thing
would
be,
is
like
if
it's
a
five
foot,
that's
based
upon
Stanton
no
alley
now.
F
J
K
F
The
other
thing
I'm
thinking
about
too,
is,
if
we're
talking
about
the
lot
I
think
a
lot
is
one
small
piece
of
the
puzzle
when
you're
talking
about
affordable
housing
and
trying
to
offer
opportunities,
I
think
it's
also
with
if
it's
a
specific
new
district
I
think
he's
starting.
We
need
to
have
the
conversation
on
what
the
design
standards
need
to
be
for
that
district.
Would
we
allow
an
r1
a
district?
F
They
have
smaller
Lots,
which
gives
me
more
density,
which
allows
me
to
put
more
structures
in,
but
at
the
same
time
reduce
the
width
of
streets,
reduce
parking
requirements
so
that
I'm,
using
and
consuming
less
land,
which
then
would
also
reduce
the
cost
for
development
to
move
forward.
I
like
this
concept
but
I,
think
it's
also.
We
need
to
be
talking
about
how
we
incorporate
that
into
new
divisions,
new
subdivisions
where
we
can
have
different
design
requirements.
K
K
K
L
L
L
L
These
homes,
what
I,
what
I
have
envisioned
then
is
this
may
be
to
style
garage
with
a
single
access
Drive
coming
up
to
a
double
garage
max,
probably
right.
This
would
not
be
a
development
with
three
stalls,
a
garage
out
front
and
the
house
tucked
behind
that,
because
that's
how
they'd
have
to
kind
of
sit
on
a
50
foot
lock
right.
K
Yes,
it
would
be
pretty
limited
and
what
you
could
do
on
this
and
it
isn't
going
to
be
probably
feasible
to
meet
the
area
requirements
with
a
big
garage.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
for
everybody
and
and
I'm
envisioning
too,
that
if
this
is
a
starter
house,
type
of
a
neighborhood
that
some
of
them
wouldn't
have
garages
and
they
they'd
want
to
reserve
enough
room
for
a
garage
later.
K
And
and
that's
what
I
was
picturing
with
the
shared
wall
on
the
lot
line
with
the
duplexes
just
and
I,
would
you
know
if
we
go
back
to
that
Northridge
one?
This
is
probably
a
really
an
excellent
example.
If
you
would
draw
that
that
lot
is
six
thousand
three
hundred
square
feet.
So
it's
obviously
if
it's
fifty
foot
wide
it's
greater
than
a
hundred
foot
deep,
and
if
you
took
that
a
hundred
foot
deep,
what
are
we
getting
at
four
percentages?
That's
probably
exactly
what
we're
looking
at
right
there,
and
this
is
done.
F
K
Don't
think
that's
an
engineering
concern
as
much
as
it
is
a
neighborhood
desirability
concern,
because
a
small
lot
starts
to
look
like
a
sea
of
concrete
pretty
quickly
compared
to
a
large
lot,
which
is
why
I
want
to
limit
that
and
and
actually
I
am
seeing
these
drawings
for
the
first
time
right,
along
with
you,
Brandi's
been
working
really
hard
right
up
to
the
last
second,
and
we
haven't
had
time
to
talk
about
it.
So
I
I
really
didn't
know
what
to
expect
and.
K
Wanted
to
go
yeah,
but
this
is
this
is
what
I
was
envisioning
and
I.
Think
I
can
speak
for
the
committee
and
we're
talking
about.
You
know
what
would
be
desirable.
We
don't
want
to
make
make
a
zone
that
nobody
wants
near
them,
it's
not
going
to
be
for
every
neighborhood
and
it
it
may
never
get
used.
If
we
clinch
it
down
too
tightly.
K
F
J
K
K
F
Maybe
maybe
it
is
simplest,
it's
three
quarters
of
an
acre
if
it's
virgin
land
or
rezoning
land
or
a
minimum
half
block,
depending
on
how
we
just
come
up
with
a
definition
of
what
we
mean
by
a
half
block
a
standard
half
block.
If
it's
where
I
live,
is
fourth
Street
between
14th
Avenue
and
13th
Avenue
the
side
that
would
be
a
half
block
right.
K
L
Can
you
I
mean?
Is
there
some
covenants
--is?
That
should
be
addressed
at
this
point,
saying
that
you
know
the
three
stall
garage,
whether
it's
tandem,
nor
not,
is
just
not
allowed
because
that
does
add.
You
know
more
value
than
the
little
house
over
here
that
only
had
the
single
stall
if
you're
going
to
keep
it
as
your
entry
level
homes.
You
know,
because
that's
what
we
you
know
everybody
wants
to
get
into
a
home
and
then
move
up
as
their
family
grows
and
their
needs
grow.
I
mean
dude.
L
Couldn't
some
covenants
is
be
set
on
this?
If
a
whole
new
development
came
in
saying
you
know
that
it's
only
a
maximum
of
a
double
style
garage.
You
can't
have
that
you
know
pushed
out
to
the
backyard
and
I
know
you'll
have
the
maximum
building
area
on
it,
but
just
I
don't
know
just
that.
Maybe
needs
to
be
looked
at,
because
that's
kind
of
the
direction
Northridge
went
was
way
over
what
you
that
was
supposed
to
be
our
entry
level,
and
it's
really
not
anymore
so
I.
F
I
can
put
a
three-star
garage
with
the
house
on
top
of
it
and
on
a
50
foot
line,
and
yet
the
market
dictate
Sioux
Falls.
The
minimum
lot
size
for
most
of
the
residential
zones
is
a
fifty
is
a
five
thousand
square
foot
lot,
but
yeah
they
don't
all
build
on
that,
but
that's
the
minimum
and
let
the
market
dictate
what
you
want
to
go
go
from.
Do.
F
J
For
this
example
up
on
this
screen,
this
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
can
see
that
line
very
well,
but
that
outlines
approximately
what
would
be
five
thousand
square
feet.
So
if
it
was
the
structure
itself,
it
would
be
36%
lot
coverage
and
then,
with
all
of
the
impervious
surfaces
it
would
be.
46%
which
is
actually
on
that
chart,
is
what
I
that
was
my
choice
of
what
I,
just
from
looking
at
these
different
examples.
J
K
F
At
ya,
I
look
at
lot
coverage.
You
use
lot
coverage
to
include
all
impervious
surfaces
and
that's
primarily
from
a
stormwater
calculation
ordinance
perspective.
What
I
call
more
of
an
engineering
perspective,
most
Planning
and
Zoning
use
lack
coverage
generally
to
mean
just
the
structural
elements:
the
houses,
the
accessory
act,
buildings,
I'm.
F
I'm
fine,
with
the
way
you
want
to
maintain
your
existing
definition,
I,
like
the
fact
that
she
says
we're
going
to
limit
the
amount
of
buildings
on
it.
That's
35
percent
of
the
lot
and
we're
gonna
limit
the
whole
impervious
that
you're
treating
is
I'm
fine
with
the
way
Brandis
put
it
together.
I
think
it
I
think
it's
fine.
J
F
F
I
guess
it's
either
that
or
you
just
decide
to
say
it's
45
percent
and
then,
if
you
decide
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
make
this
cumbersome
for
enforcement
at
either.
So
for
if
we're
comfortable
at
45
percent,
is
the
fine
I
just
hate
to
see
a
tiny
house
with
a
really
big
big
basketball
court
put
on
there
as
well?
Well.
K
F
A
L
Absence
of
garages
is
very
tough.
They
everybody
wants
a
garage,
especially
if
they're
going
to
be
the
homeowner.
Now
you
know
they've
moved
up
from
the
rental
property.
You
know
where
they
maybe
didn't
have
that
garage.
You
know
that's
kind
of
the.
You
know
why
my
garage
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
they
maybe
are
buying
so,
but
you
know
the
one
on
the
bottom.
There
would
have
room
to
to
do
a
grudge
I
guess
they
both
would
see.
L
F
C
F
K
L
K
L
No
I
understand
that,
but
if
you
were
I'm
just
saying,
if
a
developer
said
I'm
going
to
jump
in
and
I'm
going
to
do
this
I
like
this
whole
idea,
a
lot
of
them
have
covenants
and,
as
as
a
realtor
I,
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
in
that
ordinance
and
that
we,
as
we
sell
those
Lots.
We
make
that
new
owner
know.
You
know,
there's
no
outside
storage
here
of
campers
and
boats
before
they
dive
into
this
and
then
bring
in
you
know
the
speedboat
and.
F
K
But
the
the
folks
that,
like
the
neighborhood,
let's
take
Dakota
Commons,
for
instance,
where
I
know
that
covenant
exists.
I'd
probably
exists
all
over,
but
I
I
know
that
neighborhood
has
it
and
you
know
it
looks
beautiful.
You
don't
see
it
any
things
stored
outside.
However,
those
are
residents
who
can
afford
to
rent
a
storage
unit
for
their
boat
and
snowmobile,
and
if
we're
talking
about
affordable
housing,
that's
probably
not
the
case.
There.
F
Maybe
you
don't
have
that
I,
don't
I
mean
we
can
make
that
assumption,
but
we
all
know
that
we
drive
through
places
in
Watertown.
We
know
what
the
average
incomes
people
are.
We
know
that
people
can
afford
to
buy
boats
and
campers
and
fish
shacks
and
and
so
or
they
get
given
to
them
by
their
parents
or
whatever
I
mean
it's
that
they
will
go
there
and
you
will
find
28
foot
campers
parked
in
a
side
yard
again
now
I've
got
more
impervious
surface
because
of
the
roof
of
that
camper.
If.
L
K
L
And
I
just
I,
don't
I
would
like
to
see
that
nipped
in
the
bud
before
it
even
starts
is
having
that
with
those
you
know
when,
when
you
buy
that
lot,
you
realize
there
is
no
outside
storage.
It's
affordable,
housing,
I,
don't
care!
If
you
can
afford
six
boats,
they
can't
be
stored
here,
but
you're
more
than
welcome
to
build
an
affordable
home.
I
know
that
that
I
don't
know
if
that
can
be
done.
J
K
L
I
agree:
I,
don't
think
it
should
necessarily
be
a
city
thing,
but
any
developer
that
would
come
to
the
city.
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
really
nice
thing
to
you
know
make
them
think.
Maybe
they
should
do
that
yeah
I,
don't
think
we
want
a
police
that,
but
I
think
it
should
be
brought
to
the
attention
of
that
developer.
If
that
should
ever
come
about.
K
F
Just
think
we
need
to
just
determine
where
it
can
be
applied,
whether
it
can
be
used
as
a
down
zone
from
from
an
r1
episomes
from
three
and
two
and
to
a
minimum
area
that
has
to
be
included,
and
we
kind
of
talked
about
that.
But
I
think
what
Brandis
in
a
really
good
job
in
putting
together
I,
think
parameters
that
we
can
probably
live
with.
If
six-foot
is
the
setback
based
on
fire
code,
we'll
go
with
the
six-foot
I
would
go
with
the
stud,
the
rear
yard
of
being
six-foot.
Unless
it's.
J
J
K
No
that's!
If
our
community
acknowledges
the
need,
then
we
have
what
we
need
to
move
forward
and
get
something
passed
and
I.
Think
we're
beyond
that
point
of
the
community
acknowledging
the
need-
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
putting
it
in
black
and
white
on
paper
and
to
the
point
where
it's
acceptable
to
the
decision-makers
and
letting
somebody
go
with
it.
L
K
A
A
A
K
K
K
K
K
D
K
F
M
Ok,
this
is
a
neighborhood
in
Marshall
Minnesota
that
this
development
was
essentially
completed
by
about
the
time
that
I
moved
to
the
community,
which
was
in
2006.
This
was
their
attempt
at
low-income
housing
and
all
each
one
of
these.
Most
of
these
houses
were
built
as
spec
houses,
so
they
were
partially
mostly
with
very
minimal
improvements
in
the
basement,
so
they
had
basements
and
they
had
houses.
Some
of
them
are
two-story,
some
most
are
not.
M
These
were
all
in
a
150
thousand
dollar
price
range
and
I
believe
this
neighborhood
was
built
with
at,
if
that's,
how
they
managed
to
control
the
prices,
and
they
did
have
income
guidelines
and
all
that
stuff.
But
these
are
about
the
size
of
Lots
that
we're
talking
in
about
the
size,
the
houses
that
you're
talking,
so
that
this
is
kind
of
the
modern
spin
on
exactly
what
the
mayor's
vision
is.
I
think
it's.
I
K
F
K
I
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
procedural
and
we
maybe
have
a
little
bit
narrower
narrower
scope
of
our
inquiry
and
to
that
end,
I
just
briefly
blasted
out
an
email
that
just
a
couple
of
sort
of
ideas
of
some
things
that
we
see
in
sort
of
the
legal
world
and
a
lot
of
times.
We
use
these
in
a
lot
of
cases.
We
use
these
little.
What
I
would
call
it
a
fact
or
test
to
make
decisions
or
a
judge
would
make
that
decision.
So
mr.
Robie
is
probably
pretty
familiar
with
the
way
these
things
look.
I
F
It's
a
really
good
idea
and
I
know.
Shane
is
also
when
working
at
from
a
staff
perspective.
He
had
informed
us
the
other
day
at
a
meeting
and
I
think
we
need
to
go
somewhere.
We
don't
have
to
be
locked
into
that.
You
know.
If
you
don't
do
these,
you
don't
get
it,
but
I
think
we
need
I
like
your
language
here
that
it's
more
of
the
you
know
suggestive
as
a
prescriptive,
because
we
know
I
think
the
City
Council
said
every
one
of
these
things
are
going
to
be
different.
F
They
don't
want
to
be
locked
into
checking
the
box,
but
I
think
we
do.
It
helps
us
so
and
it
helps
staff
when
they're
talking
to
people
that
we
be
prepared
to
answer
these
questions.
So
when
we
ask
them,
if
we
can
move
it
forward
and
I
think
you
know,
Shane
was
gonna,
come
back
with
something
else,
and
we
can
add
on
to
this
actually.
M
All
these
points
that
are
made
in
this
handout
are
very
similar
to
the
ones
that
we've
already
started
to
identify
as
what
we
need
the
vet
and
something
that
was
difficult
to
convey
is
behind
the
scenes.
A
lot
of
times.
Staff
is
vetting
all
these
things,
but
because
we
didn't
have
a
defined
procedure,
even
when
we
have
the
discussions,
there's
no
record
of
it.
So
by
creating
the
procedures,
then
there'll
be
a
record
of
it
and
I
think
it's
clearly
going
to
help
everybody.
That's
involved
in
the
process.
I
M
Correct
our
procedure
right
now,
we
don't
really
have
any
language
in
our
ordinance,
but
what
we,
our
process
is
identified
with
can
complying
with
the
state
law.
So,
even
even
if
we
just
stay
with
the
state
law
and
don't
have
any
additional
language
in
our
ordinance
of
procedure
helps
and
in
either
fashion.
So
we're
definitely
all
all
for
it.
C
C
J
Just
where
they
would
go
more
in
depth
because
yeah,
like
you,
said
they
right
now,
they
do
have
to
say
why
it's
a
to
the
public's
benefit
to
vacate
but
yeah.
Then
this
would
just
have
them
look
into
it
a
little
further
and
then
maybe
would
if
they
couldn't
answer
a
question.
Maybe
they
would
wonder
how
they
would
get
the
vacation
past
as
well.
A
A
It
just
occurred
to
me,
as
you
were
saying
that
that
we
get
this
one-page
staff
report
on
conditional
use
where
you
go
through
a
lot
of
the
vetting
of
the
different
ordinances
that
we
have
and-
and
maybe
in
this
case,
for
these
situations
it'd
be
good
to
get
kind
of
a
summary
document.
That's
very
similar
to
that
where
we
kind
of
address
some
of
these
concerns
and
how
they
would
impact
the
community
and
enter
it
into
the
public
record.
J
F
Expending
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
doing
this
but
again
I
suppose
said
landing
in
our
lap
in
a
couple
days
and
we
have
to
react.
I'd
rather
be
proactive,
and
so,
if
you
guys
know
what
the
questions
that
you're
asking
them-
or
you
know
what
we've
been
talking
about
here,
do
you
guys
have
vets
part
of
the
report
just
give
it
to
us
and
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
if
it
means
a
formal
policy,
I'm,
okay
with
that
too
or.
J
F
K
F
F
Not
me,
then,
the
other
thing
too
that
just
to
put
every
so
once
we
once
that
happens,
I
almost
think
then
I
would
like
to
see.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
at
a
staff
level
is
coming
back
and
adopting
bylaws
for
the
board,
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
Board
of
Adjustment
on
how
we
make
decisions,
how
we
do
business,
how
we
have
some
standard
findings
that
we
adopt
so
that
become
part
of
our
record
every
time
we
make
a
decision,
so
I'd
like
to
like
to
work
on
that
as
well.
J
F
Other
this
we're
in
the
board.
Well,
the
other
thing
is,
is
I
I,
believe
that
the
first
District
and
Luke
Muller
will
be
presenting
the
comprehensive
land
use
plan
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
an
upcoming
meeting
and
will
be.
We
should
be
getting
a
notice
and
it's
a
three
hundred
and
eighty
page
document,
so
people
are
gonna,
have
to
spend
some
time.
Looking
at
that,
but
I
know
his
intent
is
to
bring
that
to
the
Planning
Commission.