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Public Works / Finance / Safety Committee Agenda for 7-2-18
A
Good
afternoon
this
is
the
Public
Works
Finance
and
Safety
Committee
meeting
of
Monday
July,
2nd
2018
and
I'd
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
and
just
for
the
public's
knowledge
and
also
for
the
committee
members.
We
have
combined
our
committees
into
one
big
committee,
including
finance,
Public,
Works
and
safety,
so
everyone
can
vote
and
make
motions.
So
I
would
like
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
so.
A
Councilman
l'olam
second
by
Councilman
wife.
Is
there
any
discussion
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye?
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay,
motion
carries.
The
second
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
input?
This
is
a
time
for
people
to
talk
about
things
that
may
not
be
on
the
agenda.
Is
there
anyone
who
would
like
to
do
so?
A
Seeing
none
I
will
move
on
item
number.
3
is
approval
of
the
agenda?
Is
there
motion
second,
moved
by
Councilman
Ville,
our
second
by
Councilman
Thorson,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion
carries
item
number
4
is
consideration
of
change
order,
number
1
final
with
Smith
and
Smith
construction
Inc
for
the
highway
81
storm
sewer
structure,
improvements,
project
number
1809
for
a
decrease
of
$200,
so
I'll
look
for
a
motion
and
second
for
recommendation
of
approval
of
this
move
by
Councilman.
C
C
A
Okay,
any
questions
or
concerns
see
none
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion
carries
item.
Number
five
is
consideration
of
change
order
number
one
with
donek
ink
for
the
sanitary
sewer
improvements
project
number
1808
for
an
increase
of
twelve
thousand
six
hundred
forty
five
dollars
and
I'll
look
for
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
this
move
by
Councilman
Albertson
second,
by
Councilman
Solem,
and
this
is
a
pretty
hefty
increase,
so
call-
and
you
want
to
explain
it
yes,.
C
So,
during
construction
we
came
across
a
problem,
they
took
off
the
asphalt
and
it
was
all
black
dirt.
Underneath
there
was
no
gravel
I
mean
you
could
have
used,
use
the
blackened
gardens.
I
mean
it
was
pretty
good
black
dirt,
but
we
did
not
want
to
put
the
road
back
on
top
of
that
black
dirt,
as
the
road
would
probably
fail,
and
just
a
couple
years,
maybe
so
I
guess
we,
we
made
a
field
order,
instructing
them
to
do
geo
test
checks,
sorry
geotextile
fabric,
underneath
twelve
inches
of
base
course
or.
D
C
E
E
C
C
A
That's
a
good
question,
even
if
we
didn't
have
enough
money
in
this
project,
it
comes
out
of
the
second
penny,
the
to
twelve
budget
for
projects
and
with
a
street
project.
We
could
this
being
a
sewer
project.
If
we
had
to-
and
this
was
you
know
there-
there's
some
leeway
and
being
able
to
build
that
back
to
a
sewer
project,
because
the
reason
we
dug
up
the
street
was
it
was
a
sewer
project.
So
but
and
that's
a
different
fund
is.
E
F
C
C
A
Over
time,
the
material
mixes
and
that's
why
we're
putting
fabric
here,
because
that
prevents
the
material
from
seeping
up
into
the
crushed
concrete
that
we're
putting
down.
We
didn't
do
that
back
when
this
road
was
first
built
that
wasn't
a
technique
that
was
used.
These
geo
textile
fabrics
are
something
new
in
the
last
few
decades,
so.
A
G
A
A
That's
right
any
other
comments
or
concerns
questions
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying,
nay
motion
carries
item
number.
Six
is
consideration
of
change
order
number
two
with
Rowan's
construction
for
the
landfill
stormwater,
improve,
let's
project
number
1818
for
an
increase
of
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
ninety-four
dollars,
twenty
five
cents
and
we'll
look
for
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
so.
B
H
You
on
the
afternoon
of
June
19th
last
Tuesday
rounds
construction
while
working
on
the
installation
of
some
storm
water
pipe
on
a
project.
They
uncovered
waste
material
in
an
area
where
was
not
expected
to
be.
This
waste
was
about
three
foot
below
the
surface
and
it
was
about
twenty
to
thirty
feet,
south
of
a
man
home
which
they
just
installed
as
they
continued
to
dig
in
a
southerly
direction.
The
depth
of
the
waste
increased,
so
we
went
from
a
way
if
you
could
put
my
photo
I'll
give
you
a
picture.
H
So
they're
laying
this
pipe
here
running
from
the
north
to
the
south
and
they're,
putting
it
in
some
nice
glacial
till
clay
and
also
in
the
dark
stain,
showed
up
and
it
just
looked
like
a
dark
stain
and
it
gradually
got
thicker
to
where
they
had
about
a
foot
and
a
half
a
waist
and
then,
as
it
went
a
little
further,
this
sloped
down
and
when
we
had
encountered
was
the
north
east
of
the
corner
of
an
old
pre
subtitle
D
garbage
bit.
It
was
farther
east
than
when
it
was
expected
to
be
so.
H
So
there's
no
cross
contamination
of
a
stormwater
and
or
garbage
so
houston
proposed
and
the
DNR
approved
a
verbal
plan
to
dig
some
test
pits
downstream
further
down
south
of
this
pipe
there,
two
more
manholes
and
so
what
we
went
down
as
we
did
test
pits
at
those
two
locations
to
see
if
we
still
encountered
waste
and
then
those
pits
got
dug
further
east
till
we
defined
the
waste
limits
and
then
Scott
Engineering
surveyed
in
that
information.
So
we
got
our
pipe
out
of
the
waste
off.
H
If
you
put
a
storm
sewer
pipe
in
waste,
it
would
look
likely
subside
and
you
would
lose
your
hydraulic
profile.
It
wouldn't
stand
up
over
time
and
it
could
either
put
water
in
the
garbage
or
if
the
garbage
pit
had
water
in
at
some
point
due
to
big
storm,
because
a
pre
subtitle
D
they
weren't
leachate
collection
systems
and
liners,
they
were
basically
a
hole
in
the
ground.
So
we
want
to
do
is
what
we're
doing
with
this
change
order?
Is
we're
now
proposing
to
shift
the
whole
line
east
to
get
outside
those
waste
limits?
H
So
we
have
a
good,
solid
pipe
in
the
ground
and
still
drain
and
serve
surface
service,
the
same
area
that
the
project
was
intended
to
service.
So
with
that
shifting
that
line
East
and
what
we're
proposing
here
is
to
install
one
new
60-inch
storm
sewer
manhole,
and
this
is
that
a
revised
unit,
price
of
seven
thousand
or
subi
$4,750.
Sorry,
it's
six
hundred
and
forty
seven
dollars
and
ninety
seven
cents
above
the
price
to
be
paid
for
the
mantles,
but
it's
being
shipped
by
itself
in
the
construction
of
its
being
expedited.
H
So
we
felt
that's
a
good
price
and
we
got
that
price
for
the
grounds
construction.
Additionally,
as
the
pipe
shift
at
East,
it
went
from
a
grassy
stormwater
ditching
into
a
gravel
area,
so
the
contractor
will
be
recovering
about
45
cubic
yards
of
the
existing
gravel
and
a
contract
unit,
price
of
four
dollars
and
25
cents
per
cubic
yard
for
one
hundred
ninety
one
dollars
and
twenty
five
cents
and
then,
as
this
pipe
is
shifted
over
there's,
more
grading
and
excavations
required
to
to
drain
the
area
to
the
inlet
structures.
H
So
the
increased
excavation
is
in
the
amount
of
two
thousand
five
hundred
and
thirty-eight
dollars,
based
upon
the
contract
unit,
price
of
four
dollars
and
twenty
three
cents,
a
cubic
yard
and
then
also
on
the
north
end
of
this
pipe.
It
gets
close
to
our
scale
house
building
and
we
know
there's
a
portable
water
drinking
water
in
there.
That
will
likely
need
to
be
moved.
It
should
be
encountered
during
this
relocation,
and
that
comes
at
a
cost
of
eight
hundred
and
seventy
five
dollars.
H
So
then,
the
last
item
would
be
the
test
pits
and
then
the
waste
that
they
uncovered
when
they
first
hit.
The
waste
had
to
be
disposed
of
in
the
subtitle
D
cell
legally
to
get
into
the
garbage
pit
out
of
the
environment
so
that
waste
placement
was
one
thousand
four
hundred
forty
dollars.
So
the
total
for
this
proposed
change,
orders
9700
ninety
four
dollars
and
twenty
five
cents.
It
increases
the
contract
value
to
four
hundred
sixteen
thousand
two
hundred
and
seventy
one
dollars
and
forty
three
cents.
H
It
does
not
asked
for
any
contract
time
extension
so
just
to
let
to
know
where
this
would
put
us.
If
you
approve
this
change
order,
if
we,
the
the
new
contract
price
with
this
change
or
and
the
previous
change
order,
is
currently
sixty
three
thousand
two
hundred
eighty
dollars
and
fifty
seven
cents
below
budget,
and
then
we
budgeted
sixty
thousand
for
construction
engineering
in
this
project,
we
entered
into
a
contract
with
Houston
engineering
for
fifty
four
thousand
nine
hundred
and
this
suppose
these
change
orders
at
the
other
project.
H
We
have
two
or
even
a
final
quantity
adjustment
and
if
I
just
arbitrarily
assigned
a
rough
cost
of
that,
there
could
be
up
to
four
thousand
dollars
cost
there,
and
that
would
take
us
up
to
fifty
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars.
So
we'd
still
be
eleven
hundred
dollars
below
budget
there
would
he
we
put
all
the
change
orders
together
and
my
estimate
on
potentially
higher
engineering
cost.
The
project
should
be
completed
on
time,
sixty
four
thousand
three
hundred
a
day,
Lars
a
fifty
seven
cents
below
budget.
So
we
have
the
money.
H
We
have
to
relocate
the
pipe
and
we
encountered
it
as
just
there's
just
no
way
around
it.
So
with
that,
I
would
say
that
all
of
the
pipe
has
been
laid,
except
for
this
last
piece
that
we're
proposing
to
relocate
all
the
excavation
has
been
completed,
so
we're
at
a
point
where
installing
fence
erosion
control
and
then
we're
going
to
do
some
gravel
placement
and
then
the
seeding
and
the
project
should
be
done
well
ahead
of
schedule
and
under
budget.
H
A
H
A
D
A
H
Starts
out
it's
kind
of
a
black,
but
it
just
looked
like
has
a
blue
tint
to
it,
but
yeah
it
went
deeper.
So
we
were,
we
were
gonna,
get
into
a
feed
there,
a
pit
that
would
be
several
feet
deep
and
there
are
no
as-built
drawings
at
this.
So
that's
why
we
did
the
test
pits
cuz.
This
was
this
was
defy
that
plan
of
those
test
pits
was
back
back
in
early
70s
internal
design
and
actually
dug
by
landfill
staff
with
landfill
equipment.
From
what
I
hear
sorry
yeah.
A
C
So
the
gun
range
and
her
the
shooting
range
is
expected
to
start
this
week
and
with
our
staff
being
very
short-handed
at
the
time
being,
with
two
two
people
recently
gone
and
our
staff
not
familiar
with
the
staking
requirements
for
this
project.
Often
we
didn't
do
the
initial
survey
for
this
project
that
was
hired
by
Mac
Lancer
main
they're
hired
by
the
state
to
do
by
for
whatever,
and
so
we're
asking
that
city
council
approve
this.
C
So
we
can
hire
Makela
and
serving
to
do
the
survey
in
staking
for
this,
and
we
wrote
in
there
for
the
total
contract
not
to
exceed
five
thousand
dollars,
trying
to
limit
the
total
contract
because
we
are
paying
by
hour.
So
we
don't
want
it
to
go
in
way
over
budget
or
anything.
But
we
do
have
budget
set
aside
for
this
project.
A
A
D
One
time
Colin
I,
don't
know
if
you're
involved
in
this,
but
at
one
time
we
it
was
brought
up
to
look
into
adding
longer
range
lanes.
At
that
point,
when
we
were
doing
this
because
the
guys
were
here
and
they
were
really
competitive
in
their
bid,
has
that
been
done?
Do
you
know?
Has
there
been
any
follow
up
on
that
I.
C
C
A
Or
do
a
separate
project
and
it
wasn't
just
going
to
be
a
linear
relationship
between
the
amount
of
work
that
we
had
in
the
contract
and
the
extra
work,
because
the
part
that
the
the
longer
those
lanes
are
the
more
complex
the
drainage
becomes
and
we're
having
drainage
problems
as
it
is
with
the
shorter
liens.
So
adding
an
extra
long
lane.
We
know
we
were
going
to
run
into
drainage
problems.
That's
a
given
that
would
have
been
a
challenge
would
have
made
it
exponentially
harder
to
design.
They
really
struggled
to
design
what
we
have.
I
C
A
A
Number
eight
is
approval
to
submit
a
letter
of
intent
to
the
South
Dakota
Department
of
Transportation
to
apply
for
transportations,
Transportation
Alternatives
grant
for
Camp
Eska
trail
loop
development
authorizing
a
local
match
from
the
eighteen
point:
oh
five
percent
minimum
to
a
percentage
agreed
upon
by
the
City
Council,
the
consultant
and
the
city
staff
and
I'll
look
for
a
motion
and
second
for
a
recommendation,
and
then
we'll
have
a
presentation
move
by
Council
and
fill
our
second
by
a
councilman
loan.
And
now
we
will
have
our
presentation
from
infrastructure
design
group.
J
I'm
vanessa
victor
with
infrastructure
design
group
came
to.
We
had
a
unveiling
for
the
master
plan
for
the
lake
trail
and
closing
the
loop
at
the
beginning
of
june,
and
some
of
you
were
able
to
make
it
and
some
of
you
weren't,
so
Glen
had
asked
if
I
could
come
and
give
a
short
presentation
of
where
the
the
planned
route
or
on
the
lake
is
going
to
go
and
some
of
the
obstacles
that
are
ahead
of
you.
Now,
as
we
head
into
budgeting
season.
J
So,
basically,
you
know
the
trail
ends
and
two
distinct
spots
are
on
the
lake
and
it's
not
it's
because
of
two
different
reasons,
but
there
was
definitely
roadblocks
that
were
in
place.
So
we
were
brought
on
board
to
identify
the
work
and
go
through
a
series
of
different
trail
alternatives
for
closing
the
loop.
We
also
wanted
to
identify
some
amenities.
J
When
we
started
out
this
is
kind
of
what
we
had
laid
out.
There
are
five
different
trail
options
or
combination.
I
will
just
point
out
now
actually
that
the
finalized
route
incorporates
all
five
of
those
options
and
some
that
weren't
even
thought
of
at
the
onset
of
the
project.
So
it
all
started
with
the
kickoff
meeting
in
October.
We
gathered
a
lot
of
comments
from
people
that
could
make
it
and
people
that
couldn't
there
were
comment
cards
that
were
circulating.
We
took
polls
of
various
amenities
that
people
would
want
to
see.
J
J
If
something
were
to
happen
to
your
bike,
we
also
pulled
the
audience
to
see
if
we
could
get
members
for
a
project
Advisory
Committee,
so
we
had
a
public
hearing,
then
a
public
unveiling,
but
through
the
process
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
vetting
our
design
options
to
a
group
of
stakeholders
per
se.
So
we
identified
five
people
that
lived
along
the
lake
has
kind
of
neighborhood
residents
that
were
there
to
support
their
community
and
support
their
neighbors
and
what
they'd
like
to
see
as
the
trail
progressed,
they
were
evenly
dispersed
throughout
the
trail.
J
That's
the
blue,
dots
or
purple
dots
they're
supposed
to
be.
We
also
had
members
of
the
runners
Club
The
Bicycle
Club,
who
recently
has
disbanded,
but
they
donated
the
remainder
of
their
funds
to
the
amenities.
On
the
trail,
so
that
was
nice
of
them.
A
couple
members
of
council
we're
also
a
part
of
it:
South
Dakota,
game,
fish
and
parks,
because
we're
going
through
part
of
their
property,
the
county,
highway
department,
engineering
and
Park
and
Rec
all
total.
There
are
about
20
people,
each
project,
advisory
meeting.
J
And
this
is
what
we
came
up
with
and
granted
it's
it's
hard
to
see
the
individual
faces
as
you
go
through,
but
we
identified
it
into
four
phases
that
were
distinct
with
their
characteristics
and
available
funding
and
what
type
of
obstacles
that
we
would
encounter.
The
alignment
is
based
on
those
landowner
and
stakeholder
comments.
We
also
took
considerable
stock
into
safety
considerations.
We
have
some
steep
hills,
especially
on
the
east
side
of
the
trail
and
one
make
sure
that
their
sight
distance
requirements,
so
people
on
bicycle
can
be
seen
and
can
see
oncoming
traffic.
J
We
also
wanted
to
take
into
consideration
the
number
of
crossings
that
are
on
the
trail
and
the
existing
trail
around
the
lake.
There's
about
three
crossings
per
mile
on
the
proposed.
We
have
just
over
two
crossings
per
miles
over
each
crossing,
of
course,
as
a
point
of
conflict
and
point
point
of
inflict,
which
is
a
safety
hazard,
so
trying
to
minimize
any
potential
safety
risks
also
took
into
account
geometrics
of
the
trail
itself.
J
And
I
just
want
to
point
out
quick
that
the
numbers
of
the
phasing
are
just
numbers
to
differentiate
them
from
one
phase
to
another.
They
don't
prioritize
phase
one
more
than
phase
4
is
just
happenstance
that
we
are
actually
already
starting
on
the
design
of
phase
one
but
we'll
go
into
each
of
the
phases
and
what
they
entail
now
so
phase
one.
We
have
started
in
the
survey
and
are
getting
down
to
the
design.
Up
to
this
point,
everything
was
done
with
lidar
imagery
imagery.
Sorry,
when
the
city
had
their
photogrammetry
done.
J
Basically,
at
the
same
time,
it
does
sonar
and
then
it
picks
up
the
contours,
it's
pretty
good
for
planning
purposes
and
how
we
can
estimate
how
much
dirt
we'll
have
to
move.
But
in
the
longest
scheme
and
knowing
exactly
where
utilities
are,
we
got
to
send
out
survey
crews.
So
surveyors
should
be
finishing
up
this
week
and
we'll
have
all
the
topographic
information
for
this
phase
of
the
trail.
J
J
Phase
3
is
the
largest
segment
of
the
trail,
but
it's
also
the
most
apt
for
funding.
There's.
Basically,
two
funds
that
are
available
for
grants
for
the
city
to
pursue
one
is
the
Transportation
Alternatives
grant
through
South
Dakota
d-o-t,
and
the
other
is
the
rec
trails
through
Game,
Fish
and
Park.
J
Transportation
Alternatives
generally,
is
a
little
bit
more
fourth
camping
with
the
amount
of
money
that
they
want
to
give
out
and
since
phase
three
is
actually
1.1
million
dollars,
it
makes
more
sense
to
try
to
go
for
the
bigger
pool
of
money
you
can't
mix
within
this
phase.
It
wouldn't
be
ideal
to
mix
both
game
fish
and
parks
and
transportation
alternatives,
because
then
you
have
two
different
agencies.
Looking
at
the
same
segment.
J
With
anything
free
and
free
money
as
grant
money,
it
requires
additional
time
so
for
planning
purposes.
We
like
to
say
for
years,
you
could
probably
get
it
in
three
years.
There
is
also
a
grant
cap
which
the
state
will
only
give
you
$400,000
at
a
time.
So
in
order
for
this
to
be
prominent,
it
would
either
the
city
would
have
to
really
contribute
everything.
J
They'd
get
four
hundred
thousand
and
do
all
at
once,
but
then
you're
contributing
seven
hundred
thousand
or
you
can
split
it
up
into
two
sub
phases:
3a
and
a
3b,
and
then
you
get
more
money
just
like
with
any
of
your
road
projects
or
your
bridge
projects
that
I've
been
in
here
in
the
past.
Talking
to
you
about
it
is
a
ranked
and
scored
system
where
you
get
different
points
assigned
to
you,
based
on
your
city
size.
For
starters,
the
higher
you
amount
you
want
to
pay
the
higher
your
score
is
for
the
funding.
J
Since
you
went
through
this
planning
process-
and
it
is
a
vetted
plan-
and
so
it's
not
as
likely
that
they're
gonna
award
the
money
and
somebody's
gonna
come
in
and
poke
holes
in
it.
You
also
get
additional
points
as
part
of
this
on
Phase
three,
we
are
going
to
be
extending
that
WPA
culvert,
which
counts
as
a
bridge
rehabilitation
project.
So
you
get
additional
points
as
well
and
to
be
competitive.
The
city
would
want
to
look
at
contributing
about
thirty
percent.
As
a
nice
conservative
number
for
budgeting
that
you
would
be
a
likely
candidate.
J
And
phase
four
is
the
remainder
of
the
trail
and
it's
by
Parkview,
basically
we're
looking
at
well.
Actually
engineering
was
nice
enough
to
say
that
they
would
take
over
this
segment
of
the
trail.
It's
a
millon
overlay
and
fix
the
roadway
and
then
we'll
extend
the
bike.
Path
will
be
painted
on
one
shoulder
of
the
road
through
that
until
it
gets
to
the
Phase
three,
and
this
has
been
placed
in
the
budget
for
2019.
Pending
your
approval
and
estimated
costs
are
about
150,000.
J
Here
is
a
kind
of
a
construction
schedule
that
you
can
look
at
when
2019
will
have
trail
done
on
both
ends
of
pending
your
approval
on
the
engineering
budget,
but
on
phase
1
and
phase
4,
and
then
2021
will
work
on
phase
2
by
game,
fish
and
parks
and
sandy
shores
and
the
wetland
permitting
and
then
waiting
on
the
grant
money
to
come
in
and
working
through
the
Transportation
Alternatives
process.
That
gets
us
a
2022
and
2023
to
finish
so
we're
about
five
years
out
to
finish
the
entire
trail.
J
Depending
on,
if
you
wanted
to
contribute
more
than
what
you
were
contributing
right
now
and
that
is
based
off
of
what
parks
has
right
now
in
their
budget
is
$600,000
with
the
annual
allotment
of
175,000
so
kind
of
piecing
that
out
and
how
you
want
to
spend
that
money
and
I
also
need
to
say
that
that's
for
your
entire
trail
system,
175,000.
That
covers
all
your
trails
through
town
and
at
the
lake
at
the
same
time.
So
these
are
not,
as
I
mean.
A
A
A
E
E
E
So
which,
in
my
mind,
does
us
no
good,
it
really
doesn't.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
appeasing
people
for
a
little
while
I'd
rather
put
a
trail
in
that
meets
our
needs
in
the
long
term
for
costs
as
well.
Should
we
or
do
I
want
to
go
back?
Where
would
your
question?
Do
we
have
a
standard
that
we
use
in
defining
the
construction
of
our
bike
trails,
or
do
we
just
let
them
whoever
gets
the
bid
go?
Do.
J
J
We
had
just
heard
about
the
black
dirt
and
asphalt
right
on
top
of
it
things
slip
from
time
to
time,
even
though,
on
the
trail
and
phase
one,
we
are
having
geotechnical
borings
done
to
make
sure
that
we
know
exactly
what
the
soil
conditions
are
and
that
way,
but
we
can
specify
a
proper
base
proper
asphalt
on
a
nice
section
that
should
withstand
the
test
of
time.
I
mean
your
asphalt
cracks
concrete
cracks.
Some
things
are
unavoidable,
but
massive
failures
should
be
avoided
and.
E
E
E
A
Xlr8
years,
it's
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Jay
I,
don't
think
that
we've
ever
just
thrown
money
at
a
project
and
let
the
constructor
design
it
we've
done
our
designs
in-house
or
we've
had
a
consultant.
Do
them
and
we've
used
a
standard
that
was
maybe
it's
not
as
high
as
it
should
be,
but
it
isn't
like.
We
haven't
thought
about
the
section
and
what
should
the
base
be
and
what
should
our
level
of
service?
My.
E
Assumption
was
we
had
a
standard
somewhere
along
light.
We
had
a
standard,
but
to
go
back
to
your
point
is:
maybe
there
are
some
areas
or
maybe
we
need
to
increase
our
standard,
because
when
we
get
to
the
open
section,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
roads
as
well,
and
what
standards
we
use
and
and
what
we
do
so
sometimes
we
need
to
pay
a
little
bit
more
and
if
it
benefits
us
to
do
that,
so
that
we
get
the
longevity
out
of
it.
That's
where
I'm
going
with
it
so
well.
J
On
the
geotechnical,
their
investigation
and
the
surface
recommendation
that
we'll
get
on
phase
one
would
actually
be
a
nice
standing
point
for
any
design
standard.
The
soils
out
at
the
lake
have
sand
on
them,
so
they
actually
have
a
pretty
good
base,
so
be
a
nice
minimum
for
anything
that
you'd
see
in
throw
town
and.
A
B
B
J
J
D
J
Well,
the
city
does
I
believe
it's
Jai's
intention
for
us,
since
we
have
all
the
data
available
that
we
would
just
assemble
the
package.
For
you,
sorry,
the
Transportation
Alternatives
is
this:
it's
gone
through
a
lot
of
turnover
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
In
fact,
in
the
last
four
years
there's
been
three
different
heads,
so
it
talked
to
the
new
head
today
and
on
Friday.
J
J
D
I
I
I
I
Then
a
follow
up
to
that
is
I
know.
The
comment
was
made
by
I
may
have
been
Shane.
That
said,
that
I
want
a
meeting
that
with
the
X
with
the
the
hoops
that
we
have
to
jump
through
and
and
the
resultant
delay
of
getting
the
whole
process
of
that
Neela
grant
approval,
etc,
could
actually
end
up
increase
in
the
cost
of
this.
To
the
point
that
I
don't
want
to
say
that
the
grant
dollars
aren't
worth
going
after,
but
that
was
kind
of
sentiment
expressed
that
that
that
could
be
a
problem.
J
You
know
everything
on
phase
3
right
now.
We
we
do
have
an
within
the
right
away
and
within
the
city
right
away,
pretty
good
application
of
that
was
in
Garretson.
They
they
made
them,
move
it
beyond
the
right
away
and
acquire
land,
so
that
didn't
cost
the
city
additional
dollars
and
should
be
noted
that,
if
that
happens
on
Phase
three
were
the
the
landowners.
Do
not
want
to
give
any
land
away
and
we're
staying
within
the
right
away
for
a
reason.
J
So
that
will
be
a
significant
hoop,
but
we
have
enough
buffer
zone
that
I
don't
believe
it
will
be
an
issue
and
because
we
have
vetted
it
up
to
this
point,
we
have
some
documentation
that
we
can
show
that
you
know.
We've
we've
done
our
due
diligence
and
we
believe
from
our
standpoint
that
this
is
the
best
route.
I
The
the
feedback
that
I've
been
getting
is
a
couple
comments,
particularly
on
the
west
side,
not
thrilled
with
you
know
where
the
the
trail
is
going,
but
more
so
that
comes
I'm
getting
is
and,
and
that
was
expressed
and
I
think
you
took
the
brunt
of
it,
which
was
not
at
what
not
fair
to
you
that
night.
The
event
center
is
the
the
the
longevity
out
of
how
long
can
it
take
to
finish
this
I
mean?
I
Is
there
anything
I
mean
I
mean
if
we
were
to
the
poor,
totally
City
dollars
into
this
I
mean
this
project
could
be
done
in
I
mean
2019.
I
would
be
a
fair
statement.
Right
I
mean
if
we
had
the
dollars
to
do
it,
I'm
not
suggesting,
but
is
there
something
that?
What
are
we
being
asked
to
do
now
tonight
or
I
mean
because
I
see
we
need
to
make
a
commitment
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering
what
exactly
are
we
doing
now?
J
A
J
J
Deadlines,
yep
right
around
the
corner,
so
we
would
assemble
that
package
put
into
the
state
if
the
city
did
decide
that
hey,
we
we're
gonna,
put
more
money
towards
us
and
we
just
want
to
get
it
done,
not
the
state's
not
going
to
be
like.
No,
you
have
to
use
their
money
and
you
have
to
wait.
So
it's
a
it's
kind
of
a
contingency,
okay,.
I
I
guess
the
house,
where
I
was
going,
and
maybe
you've
answered
my
question
now
because
we've
got
you
know,
budget
and
CIP
hearings
coming
up
within
the
next
month
or
two
now
that
if
we
take
a
look
at
the
dollars,
we
decide
we
want
to
dump
more
into
it.
What
works
beating
ourselves
to
tonight
won't
preclude
us
from
from
additional
funding
if
the
dollars
or
if
we
see
fit
to
dump
more
dollars
into
it
sooner
rather
than
later
correct.
K
What
we're
looking
at
is
that
this
July
16th
deadline,
that's
for
a
letter
of
intent
just
so
they
know
that
we
intend
to
apply
for
a
grant.
I
think
the
grant
application
deadline
is
the
1st
of
October.
So
we
got
some
time
in
there
and
my
understanding
after
the
letter
of
intent,
then
the
state
will
come
out
and
review
our
trail
route
and
probably
give
us
some
feedback
on
that,
and
you
know
then,
through
the
budget
process,
we
should
have
time
to
discuss
it
further.
Okay,.
A
E
Either
one
of
you,
but
probably
the
first
part
of
this
Vanessa
when
we
talk
about
having
to
jump
through
more
hoops.
What
is
that?
What
are
you
referring
to?
What
what
types
of
things
are
you
referring
to,
and
obviously
there's
there's
a
cost
to
Hoops?
So
if
we,
if
we
didn't
do
that,
how
much
are
those
hoops
costing
us?
Typically,
let's
say
in
the
sum
of
all
of
this:
you.
J
E
E
E
Comment
I'll
just
make
if
I
can
I've
had
a
few
people
talk
to
me
about
this
and
one
in
the
comments
and
I
think
it's
very
legitimate.
Yes,
they
certainly
want
this
done,
but
really
until
now,
they've
never
had
a
plan
in
front
of
them
that
that
outlined
when
it
would
get
done.
I
think
it
would
be
very
wrong
for
us
in
light
of
the
fact
that
the
hoops
in
fact,
don't
cost
us
a
lot
of
money,
most
likely
I
think
we
revisit
that
if
they
do
I
think
it
would
be.
E
We
would
be
remiss
not
going
through
this
process
as
planned
and
taking
advantage
of
the
grants
the
700,000
possibility,
but
knowing
that
we
have
a
commitment
to
finishing
this
within
that
five
year
period,
I
think
it
would
be
irresponsible
on
our
part
just
to
forego
it
for
the
sake
of
time
and
forgo
the
seven
or
thousand
dollars.
That's
my
opinion
on
it.
I.
I
E
I
Don't
disagree
with
that
Mike
I
think
maybe
maybe
hoops
isn't
quite
the
right
word.
Even
I
I
think
the
bigger
risk
you
got
there
is
what
construction
costs
might
do
over
the
course
next,
five
years
that
you
know
we
don't
know
what
we're
getting
some
pretty
favorable
bids
now.
Currently,
you
know
what
that's
gonna
be
like
four
or
five
years
and
I
think
that's
a
bigger
risk
in
in
spreading
this
out
I'm
in
favor
to
of
proceeding
with
the
grant
application,
but
I
think
that's
of
the
bigger
risk
that
we've
got
there.
A
B
G
J
Their
driveway,
which
I
get
for
accessibility,
is
more
ideal.
That
being
said,
every
single
driveway
is
a
point
of
conflict,
and
you
know
that's
a
couple.
People
versus
the
I
mean
I've
really
got
to
go
back
to.
We
had
a
project
Advisory
Committee,
and
we
had
a
group
of
people
that
were
vetting
and
I
mean
supposed
to
be
chatting
with
their
neighbors
to
to
help
us
lay
out
the
plan.
So
we
are
sticking
with
it
now.
A
Any
other
comments
or
questions.
Basically,
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
getting
authorization
to
apply
for
the
grant.
So
we
can
get
this
going.
We
aren't
obligated
to
take
the
grant
if
we
get
it
so,
and
this
isn't
even
the
grant.
It's
just
our
notice
that
we
intend
to
apply
for
the
grant.
So
I'll
look
for
I've
got
a
motion
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying
nay
motion
carries.
Thank
you
Vanessa.
Thank
you.
A
We
did
it
in
2014,
I,
think,
and
so
five
years
will
be
next
year
and
basing
upon
some
of
the
experience
that
we
had
with
the
first
Charter
Review
we're
looking
at
possibly
making
some
changes
to
our
ordinance,
which
the
council
can
do.
That
would
facilitate
adoption
of
any
changes
to
the
Charter
changes
to
the
Charter
have
to
be
made
by
the
general
public
in
a
in
a
an
election.
A
So
we
want
to
make
recommendations
in
a
timely
way
to
happen
at
the
next
election
and
the
way
it
is
now
we're
going
to
miss
the
boat
next
year
for
election
time.
They
won't
make
their
recommendations
until
it's
too
late
to
get
on
the
election.
So
election
would
come
two
years
later,
possibly
now
we
could
have
a
special
election.
A
Then
it's
anyway,
we
can
look
at
those
kinds
of
items
that
we
have
in
our
council
ordinances,
that
the
council
has
authority
to
change
to
facilitate
that.
So
the
timing
of
Elections,
the
size
of
the
committee,
something
that
we'd
like
to
talk
about,
because
the
committee
is
21
people
and
that's
a
lot
of
people
to
coordinate
schedules,
to
get
meetings
together
and
and
then
they're
just
saddled
with
reviewing
the
Charter
and-
and
we
know
some
of
the
things
that
they
may
be
looking
at.
A
Why
not
do
some
homework
for
them
in
advance
and
gather
facts
so
that
when
they
go
to
do
their
review,
the
facts
have
already
been
compiled
for
them
and
if
they
need
more
information,
they
can
look
at
that,
but
we
could
at
least
get
them
started.
So
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that
we're
starting
to
talk
about
this,
and
we
may
see
some
proposed
changes
to
our
ordinances.
Anybody
want
to
add
anything.
A
I
There
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
time
for
that
group
to
do
their
work
and
not
to
say
that
they
didn't
do
a
thorough
job
four
years
ago,
but
I
think
in
asking
them.
Would
you
have
appreciated
if
somebody
could
have
looked
at
some
ideas
ahead
of
time
and
given
some
thoughts
or
recommendations
to
the
home
real
charter
committee?
Would
that
have
been
appreciated
and
the
comment
was
absolutely
so.
I
think
what
you're
saying
mayor
makes
an
awful
lot
of
sense.
I
So
I
think
we're
looking
at
you
know,
maybe
tweaking
our
ordinance
a
little
bit
relative
to
the
timing
of
the
whole
process,
especially
relative
to
the
election
part
of
it
and
then
secondly,
giving
some
assistance
to
that
Home
Rule
Charter
Committee,
because
that's
not
consisting
of
any
any
of
our
council
members.
That's
21,
members
of
the
public
that
aren't
closest
to
the
action
like
we
are
so
I.
Think
of.
A
I
I
know:
what's
in
your
hands,
I'm
not
trying
to
to
push
the
issue.
I
know
there
are
members
of
public.
We
talked
about
the
speed
limit
issue
around
the
lake,
the
last
several
meetings.
In
fact,
can
you
give
us
some
idea
when
you,
when
your
group
staff
will
be
looking
as
far
as
making
a
recommendation
on
that
I.
A
Haven't
tried
to
picture
when
I
would
I
want
to
talk
to
the
police
department
and
police
chief
has
been
on
vacation
he's
back
now
and
I
do
need
to
get
together
with
him,
because
I
intend
to
ask
him
to
do
some
study
and
gather
some
information
and
a
speed
study
takes
time
and
I.
Don't
know
how
much
time
it
takes
them.
The
police
department
will
do
those,
and
so
okay
I'll,
give
you
an
update
after
I've
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
him
any
other
old
business.
Well,.
E
I,
don't
know.
But
so
that's
an
intriguing
question
to
me.
Is
it
don't
expect
an
answer
today
but
I'd
like
to
understand
where
we're
at
we
put
a
lot
of
money
into
roads?
We've
hit
a
lot
of
money
in
the
maintenance
roads
and,
as
we
all
know,
we
got
a
lot
of
complaints
about
roads
right
so
I'd
like
to
understand
that
better
than
I
do
today.
I'm.
A
Glad
you're
asking
actually
pretty
much
everyone
who
does
engineering
outside
Watertown
it
comes
to
Watertown
and
sees
what
we've
used
for
a
standard
is
surprised
at
how
flimsy
our
standard
has
been
in
the
past
and
I
want
to
take
a
look
at
that.
We
used
to
have
a
standard
written
right
into
our
ordinance
and
we
took
that
out
in
2010,
and
then
we
struggled
to
adopt
something
different.
So
between
2010
and
now,
every
developer
that
builds
a
road
negotiates
what
they
built.
A
And
so
it's
one
of
my
priorities
to
adopt
development
standards
and
that
process
I
am
going
to
ask
everyone
to
thoroughly
immerse
themselves
in
the
pros
and
cons,
it's
more
expensive
to
build
a
higher
standard
road,
but
it
lasts
longer.
We,
the
city,
are
not
in
the
business
of
constructing
roads,
we
maintain
roads,
developers
of
land,
construct
roads
and,
of
course
they
want
to
be
as
inexpensive
as
possible
so
that
they
can
save.
A
E
Know
you
know,
I
balance
is
important,
but
push
come
to
shove.
You
know
the
city
shouldn't
be
responsible
for
and
I'm
going
to
use
the
word
improperly
established
roads
and
maybe
them
proper
part
of
it
is
our
ordinance
or
lack
thereof,
but
you're
not
being
built
to
in
a
manner
that
they
should
be
in
order
to
be
more
effective
from
a
quality
and
longevity
standpoint.
H
E
A
And,
in
my
opinion,
we
can
save
money
for
developers
by
putting
having
a
narrower
Road
standard
with
a
deeper
section
of
asphalt
and
base.
So
that's
that's.
What
we'll
be
looking
at
soon
I
have
that
Development
Committee,
which
is
looking
at
these
losers
and
without
a
city
engineer
or
we're
to
a
dead,
stop
on
that
committee
until
we're
fully
staff,
because
I
can't
do
that
without
a
city
engineer,
the.
E
Second,
topic
is
regards
to
the
screening
between
commercial
properties
and
residential
areas.
We've
had
an
issue.
Oh
it's
come
up
a
couple
times
over
the
last
few
months
anyway,
and
probably
a
month
month
and
a
half
cook
came
up
again
and
from
what
I
understand
there
were
some
screening
requirements
that
didn't
get
done,
but
then
there
were
also
some
screening
that
supposedly
were
done
to
spec
and
where
trees
were
planted
and
I
went
and
looked
at
those
and
I'm
going
I
mean
I'm
gonna,
be
dead
and
gone
before
those
trees
ever
provide.
E
Any
screening
between
you
know
there,
so
the
intent
is
to
be
able
to
buffer
for
light
and
noise.
Some
extent
and
I
don't
know
again,
I'll
go
back
to
it.
I
don't
know
what
our
standard
is,
but
with
what
I
saw
at
this
location,
just
do
not
say
today,
I
don't
want
to
bring
into
light
any
anything
against
any
business
owned
or
anything.
But
if
that
is
within
our
standards,
then
that
standard
has
to
change,
because
it's
it
certainly
is
not
meeting.
What
our
objective
would
be.