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From YouTube: Finance & Safety Meeting 06 13 2018
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Finance / Safety Committee agenda for 6-13-18
Agenda Items include a Consideration of proposal for Great Plains Sponsorships.
A
Now
call
to
order
the
Finance
and
Safety
Committee
meeting
of
Wednesday
June
13
2018,
and
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
agendas
their
motion
by
Casa
Lovell,
our
second
by
Councilman
Albertson,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
Those
are
posting
a
fiver,
saying,
nay,
motion
carries
second
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment
and
this
time
is
appropriate
for
anyone
who
wants
to
talk
about
something
not
on
the
agenda.
Please
come
forward.
A
If
that's
the
case,
I
don't
see
anybody
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
three
approval
of
minutes
from
the
May
16th
and
May
30th
2018
meetings,
their
motion
moved
by
Councilman
Albertson
second
by
Councilman,
Ville
Hauer,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying
nay
motion
carries
item
number
four
is
report
and
recommendation
of
the
ice
ranked
committee
and
I
see
Vince
Foley
and
Eric
Scott.
The
co-chairs
are
here
so
I
will
let
them
give
the
presentation.
B
B
There
we
go.
Thank
you
yeah,
thank
you
for
for
this
opportunity.
Back
last
summer,
when
the
mayor
was
elected,
she
asked
Eric
and
I,
and
several
members
of
the
community,
including
councilman
Roby,
to
serve
on
a
committee
to
assess
where
we
at
in
the
process
of
the
ice
arena,
examine
it
work
with
what
we
had
for
the
contractors
or
contracts,
the
architect
and
the
construction
manager
to
come
through
the
process,
to
try
to.
B
If
we
take
you
back
historically
and
what
I'm,
what
I'm
pulling
out
is
a
drawing
that
Dave
Todd
had
prepared
back
when
I
was
on
the
committee
and
I'm
just
starting
with
this
as
an
illustration.
This
actually
is
the
old
arena,
and
there
was
a
concept
study
done
with
a
a
second
building
out
by
that
arena.
However,
the
council,
and
at
the
time
and
the
mayor
at
the
time,
made
the
decision
to
go
in
a
different
direction,
with
the
the
new
to
sheeter
out
by
the
softball
complex.
B
B
The
packet
of
information
and
I've
proposed
or
sent
out
the
the
first
storyboard
is
a
concept
drawing
of
where
we
were
at
or
where
the
city
was
at
when
we
started,
and
the
idea
was
to
have
this
to
sheeter,
with
significance,
seating
and
locker
rooms
and
spaces.
We
took
this
with
our
experience.
Eric
is
as
a
contractor.
Adam
Sullivan
and
myself
have
been
in
more
hockey
rinks
and
you
can
shake
a
stick
at
we've,
probably
been
in
every
rink
between
the
two
of
us,
from
st.
Louis
to
Winnipeg
and
I'm,
still
going.
B
It
was
so
Zehra
annum
and
to
use
our
our
knowledge
our
experience
to
try
to
examine
what
we
were
doing
is
so
we
took
sheets
1,
&,
2
and
frankly,
1
&
2
were
kind
of
champagne
tastes
and
had
quite
a
bit
in
there,
and
so
we
stepped
back
and
then
took
moving
to
sheet
3.
We
examined
what
the
concept
was,
because
we
knew
just
from
the
numbers
that
we
had
seen
and
what
the
expenses
were
and
just
discussions
with
with
our
general
or
our
contract
manager,
great
that
the
prices
were
going
to
be
much.
C
B
Than
contemplated-
and
so
we
we
stepped
into
this
and
took
that
2017
concept
and
started
for
the
lack
of
a
better
term
whittling
it
away
and
trying
to
you,
make
sure
that
we
didn't
have
fluff
in
in
the
concept
and
that
we
were
using
efficient
using
efficiently
the
square
footage
that
the
the
architect
was
presenting
us
with.
And
so,
when
you
look
at
three,
it
shows,
for
example,
that
that
top
green
bar
it
shows
how
that
actually
was,
is
a
reduction.
B
If
you
look
in
the
dotted
line
below
that,
you
could
see,
there's
that
white,
that's
actually
a
hallway.
All
of
that
then
to
the
right
has
been
removed,
and
so
we've
downsized,
because,
frankly,
that
those
spaces
weren't
needed.
If
you
look
through
the
the
spine
area
and
you
compare,
perhaps
it
bees
you're
going
back
to
sheet
one,
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
square
footage
in
there
that
isn't
locker
rooms,
space,
I'm,
a
lion's
club
member,
so
I'll
throw
stones
at
us.
B
There
was
a
Lions
Club
store
room
in
that
that
spine,
that
would
be
used
once
I
mean
to
be
used
all
year,
long
to
store
to
pull
stuff
out
once
once
a
year,
and
so
we
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate
for
that
kind
of
space
to
be
in
there,
so
it
got
pulled
out
in
the
roof.
There
was
some
other
work
that
was
done,
based
upon
experience
to
come
up
with
the
idea
of
a
locker
room,
only
spine
locker
room,
coach's
room
and
facilities,
but
then
make
sure
I'm
on
so
then
I'm.
B
B
B
That
a
community
use
would
require
not
anything
larger.
Like
the
the
state
tournament,
we
did
some
other
reductions
in
in
downsizing
trying
to
take
this
concept
down
to
as
low
a
price
tag
as
we
could
when
we
were
when
we
did
that
that
included,
if
you'll
turn
to
sheet
five,
that
there
is
nothing
on
the
mezzanine
level
back
on
sheet
1
you'll
notice,
there
was
a
lot
per
sheet.
There
was
a
lot
of
construction
suites
that
type
of
thing
in
the
the
mezzanine
level.
That's
that's
been
pulled
out
its.
We
basically
downsize
to
this.
B
D
B
This
Mike
weight
was
this:
that
Mike
was
graving,
was
sheet
5
that
purple
long
bar,
yet
that
in
the
order
of
the
sheets
that
actually
is
backwards.
If
you
were
looking
at
the
building
okay,
so
at
that
point,
then
we
had
the
the
construction
manager
and
the
architect
come
up
with
a
a
cost
estimate
of
this
for
lack
of
a
better
term
downsized
concept,
and
that
figure
is
in
the
ballpark
of
10
5/10
6/10
8
million
dollars.
B
End,
yes,
and
but
that
did
not
include
land
costs.
It
did
include
this
demo,
but
it
did
not
include
land
costs.
We
did
have
discussions
with
the
mall
ownership,
and
a
few
of
you
were
were
part
of
a
committee
that
considered
their
offer
and
sent
an
offer
back
to
them,
and
at
this
point
it
does
not
appear
that
there's
going
to
be
further
discussions,
the
concepts,
the
the
financial
concepts
that
we
needed
and
what
they
thought
should
be
involved,
don't
match
up
and
frankly,
aren't
aren't
close
at
this
point
now.
B
B
B
Six
is
a
bear
two
sheet
barn
and
when
I
say
barn,
that's
not
a
prerogative.
That's
actually
a
hockey
term,
we
say
barn.
When
we
talk
about
rinks,
so
I
didn't
mean
to
sound
pejorative,
but
this
this
six
boils
it
down,
and
probably
the
only
added
amenity
is
the
left
sheet,
which
is
the
recreation
sheet
would
be
insulated
for
all
year-round
use,
but
it
would
not,
but
beyond
that,
the
the
amenities
are
minimal.
B
I've
jokingly
referred
to
this
as
two
sheets
for
locker
rooms
and
two
outhouses
and
everything
is
pulled
out,
except
for
the
the
two
sheets
and
four
locker
rooms
and
the
the
locker
rooms
are
spare
as
well.
No
bathrooms,
no
showers,
basically
it
it
gets
us
to
where
we're
at
with
locker
rooms
out
at
the
existing
facility,
but
gives
us
that
second
sheet,
that
estimate
comes
in
at
about
8.7
million.
B
I've
taken
the
liberty
of
including
a
paragraph
with
information
supplied
by
MS
Bob
zine,
which
is
the
last
paragraph
which
shows
the
actual
status
of
funds
and
inflow
of
funds.
I
think
I
portrayed
it
correctly
of
where,
where
this
city
is
at
as
far
as
finances
goes
with
that,
my
my
presentation
of
where
we're
at
and
how
we
got
here
is
concluded
not
answer.
Questions
Vince.
F
B
A
B
You
that
yeah,
that's
a
very
good
point
that
was
a
driving
consideration
for
us,
is
that,
as
we
took
stuff
out,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
left
space
for
the
future.
There
wouldn't
be
that
much
savings
by
by
shrinking
the
footprint
in
the
the
steel,
a
big
chunk
of
the
expenses
about
2.5
million
for
the
the
ice
ice
compressor,
the
pipes
that
type
of
part
of
the
system.
C
A
D
B
D
B
Yes,
and
no,
and
by
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
mean
to
be
disingenuous,
but
the
292
report
that
was
generated
by
the
architects
name
is
292.
It
was.
It
was
a
report
that
was
started
with
in
with
Mayor
Williams's
backing
examined
the
concept
of
what
we
could
do
out
there
and
not
build
ourselves
into
a
corner,
and
that
process
included
a
study
of
using
the
existing
building
as
a
second
sheet
and
replacing
the
piping
and
having
a
new
compressor
system
put
in,
and
that
assessment
was
that
our
building
had
been
very
well
maintained.
B
G
B
Alexander
to
make
it
gold-plated
and
then
we
can
always
scale
back,
and
so
then
it
was
a
precast
building
with
walking
track
and
that
type
of
stuff.
So
the
cost
estimates
were
not
realistic
on
what
it
would
take,
but
pulling
bits
and
pieces
out
of
that.
Based
upon
my
years
of
engineering
experience,
I
can't
pound
a
nail
straight:
the
the
refurb
cost
of
the
existing
rink
with
pipes
which
would
be
2.5
for
both
sheets.
B
D
Shouldn't
we
have
an
in-depth
look
at
that,
because
if
we,
if
we
abandon
that
building
the
city
is
gonna,
have
a
refurb
cost
in
that
building
anyway,
we
got
to
do
something
with
it.
So
now,
if
our
desire
to
use
that
building
as
a
Fieldhouse
is
part
of
this
decision,
then
we
need
to
know
that,
in
my
opinion,
if
that's
what
it
is,
then
then
that
obviously
necessity
it's
a
whole
new
facility
with
two
or
two
sheets
of
ice
right.
D
But
if
we're
looking
at
taking
that
building
as
a
field
house
because
we're
building
two
sheets
of
ice,
that's
a
different
to
me.
That's
a
different
scenario.
I
think
we
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
very
serious
and
detailed
look
at
what
it
would
take
to
gut
that
facility
and
add
on
to
the
facility
and
see
where
those
numbers
get
us
well.
B
A
When
we
have
events
at
the
Extension
Center,
we
already
have
a
parking
situation
when
we
have
events
at
the
exempt
at
the
event
center.
You
move
out
tournaments
and
when
you
have
a
tournament
which
occurs
on
a
weekend
like
they
normally
do
at
the
same
time
as
the
home
show
or
the
farm
show,
we
we
have
a
no-win
situation,
there's
absolutely
no
way
we
can
do
the
parking
there,
there's
no
place
to
put
it
and
because
all
every
square
inch
is
already
used.
C
A
That
is
the
reason
that
the
Events
Center
site
was
dropped
out
of
consideration
because
you
couldn't
have
a
wedding
at
the
same
time
as
a
hockey
tournament
or
a
nice
show
you
couldn't
do
them
at
the
same
time
and
they
both
occur
on
weekends.
So
that's
a
problem
and
why
analyze
the
cost
of
refurbishing,
if
it's
not
gonna
meet
your
needs
in
other
ways,
that's
a.
D
D
B
D
E
D
Of
that
was
to
include,
because
I
had
this
discussion
with
Mayor
Thorson,
that
we
had
a
high
suspicion
at
the
time
that
we
were
not
going
to
hit
our
budget
and
without
knowing
what
our
costs
are
to
go
to
the
current
facility
and
see
what
a
second
sheet
of
ice
is
and
and
and
doing
what
we
got
to
do
to
the
current
sheet.
I,
don't
think
we're
doing
the
public,
a
very
good
service,
I,
really,
don't
didn't
do
so
two
years.
E
E
And
I
think
this
is
important.
We
I
was
on
the
committee
and
we
researched
some
of
these
issues,
one
of
them
being,
and
it
was
a
different
architect
firm
before
we
get
with
RS
and
and
we
switched
horses
in
the
middle
of
the
stream
for
a
better
term,
because
there
were
cost
issues
we
felt
with
the
architect
firm.
We
were
working
with
before,
but
I
absolutely
recall.
There
was
a
study
done
by
that
firm
we'd
have
to
look
back
and
find
out
who
they
were.
E
C
E
E
No
I
believe
this
that
I
don't
know
that
that
was
292
events,
but
this
was
a
determination
that
was
made
by
that
firm
we'd
have
to
look
back
and
I.
Don't
recall
the
name
of
that
organization
that
we
work
with
somebody.
Here's
gotta
know
who
that
was,
but
they
did.
It
I
think
they
did
a
pretty
in-depth
study
of
the
costs,
for
referring
refer
being
that,
but
it
was
an
architecture
firm
that
we
were
working
with
for
a
short
time.
That
did
that.
So
we
might
be
reinventing
the
wheel.
F
Councilmen
Robi
Bruce
I'm,
trying
to
jog
my
memory,
I
just
remember,
being
in
a
meeting
once
with
Mara,
Thorson
and
and
him
specifically
saying
it
would
cost
more
to
refurb
than
it
would
to
build.
Though
I
do
remember
him
saying
that
I
don't
know
any
numbers,
I,
don't
remember
what
study
was
I.
Just
specifically
remember
saying
that
clump
and
conversation
one
time
you.
E
H
Think
going
back
to
the
two
years
ago,
I
think
I'm
right
on
line
with
Mike
I
think
the
understanding
was
that
we
were
going
to
see
what
it
cost,
because
we
didn't
know
what
it
was
going
to
cost
and
to
say
that
we
didn't
want
to
do
an
architect.
I
think
would
have
not
been
the
right
thing.
I,
don't
recall
the
numbers
being
exorbitant
to
remodel
I've
been
one
all
along.
H
So
we
have
that
practice
sheet.
I
mean
all
along.
It
seemed
like
we
wanted
to
have
the
two
sheets
and
we
were
willing
to
do
that
and
Mayor
I'm,
not
I
I,
don't
know
about
the
parking
I
was
out
there
for
hockey
last
year.
I.
Don't
really
recall
that
that
all
of
the
softball
field
parking
was
filled
and
I.
Just
don't
recall
that
it
just
seemed
like
right
around
the
rinks.
He
always
had
to
walk
a
block,
but
after
that
over
in
those
I,
don't
know
it
just
seems
like
they
weren't
you
anyway,
all.
A
Right,
I'm
just
lucky
at
the
same
time
as
softball
I'm
talking
about
softball
period,
taking
up
space
that
they're
currently
using
for
warm-up
and
gathering
of
teams,
is
going
to
create
a
hardship
there
and
then
I'm
just
projecting
what
would
happen
if
we
built
two
sheets
taking
up
space
that
is
now
being
used
for
parking,
and
then
we
have
a
tournament
at
the
same
time
as
an
event
at
at
the
Extension
Center.
That
would
be
an
issue.
H
Footprint
looking
for
ways
to
move
forward
on
this
and
I,
don't
know
where
this
is
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
bad
thing.
Vincent.
You
now
have
solid
numbers,
so
I
think
that's
really
a
strong
thing
for
us
to
have,
but
it's
moving
forward
now.
That
I
think
is
a
real
critical
thing,
because
we've
waited
many
years.
I
was
on
the
school
business
and
many
many
many
years.
Our
kids
practiced
at
10:30
at
night
and
I
just
want
to
move
forward
with
us.
Well.
G
Just
I
recently
looked
at
the
9
study
and
I
think
that
was
done
nearly
10
years
ago,
but
and
while
Vince
says
you
know,
it
wasn't
apples
to
apples
right
because
they
didn't
have
the
exact
same
floor
plan.
But
the
recommendation
that
came
out
of
that
report
was
that
that
it
was
kind
of
cost
prohibitive
or
not
the
best
use.
Now
again
that
was
10
years
ago
and
maybe
wasn't
apples
to
apples.
G
And
so
you
know
we
do
a
study
as
a
council
and
a
mayor
makes
a
decision
and
decides
to
move
forward
in
one
direction
and
then,
if
it
doesn't
get
happen,
if
it
doesn't
happen
during
that
term,
then
all
of
a
sudden
you
know
the
next
council
and
I
appreciate
you
being
you
know,
wanting
to
be
prudent
with
the
community's
money,
but
it
can
get
kay
expect
gets,
kicked
backwards
again
and
then
we
spend
more
time
studying
and
more
time
deciding.
We
need
to
pick
a
direction
and
charge
down
that
path
and
and
do.
H
G
And
I
think
that
decisions
meant
been
made
in
the
past
I
think
it's
great
to
have
that
information,
but
you
know
I,
don't
think
we're
ever
gonna
get
anything
done.
If
we
keep
analyzing
I
think
the
community
has
supported
this.
The
community
wants
to
see
it
done.
The
community
has
committed
to
investing
funds
in
it,
and
you
know
some
other
projects
got
overspent
and
this
thing
get
done
and
I
understand
that
and
that's
okay
and
we
have
some
beautiful
facilities
due
to
that.
G
But
I
think
we
need
to
pick
a
direction
and
move
forward
and
get
something
done.
I
think
it's
time
and
I
think
we
can
get
some
support
through
sponsorships
and
naming
rights
and
those
things.
But
again
nobody
really
is
taking
this
seriously
right
now,
even
because
this
is
this
is
what
I
think
has
happened:
4
7,
8,
9
10
years.
G
The
other
thing
that
I'd,
say
and
I'll
say
to
anybody
who
listens
the
important
thing,
I
think
for
the
taxpayer
and
for
the
community
is
that
we
build
a
facility,
that's
an
asset
to
the
community
and
not
a
white
elephant.
Can't
we
refurbish
what
we
have
and
add
a
second
sheet
ice
and
do
that
for
three
million
or
the
five
million
eight.
We
have
I'm
sure
we
can,
but
that's
not
gonna,
bring
any
more
money
in
our
community.
G
It's
going
to
be
adequate
to
have
two
sheets
ice
and
to
make
sure
players
don't
have
to
practice
at
5:00
and
6:00
in
the
morning.
But
it's
not
the
type
of
facility.
That's
going
to
attacks
your
attract
your
companies
like
t-rex
and
those
companies.
The
Watertown
Development
Corporation,
is
looking
at
brain
and
it's
not
a
facility.
That's
going
to
attract
people
to
want
to
come
to
tournaments
and
people
to
want
to
sponsor
naming
rights
and
yeah
sure
we
can
get
by
on
the
cheap,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
an
asset
to
the
community.
G
A
I
Just
like
to
point
out
that
we're
the
current
I
Serena's
is
actually
onk-onk
O'neill
and
it's
not
on
city-owned
property,
so
I
mean
if
this
comes
to
fruition,
that
the
Coney
doesn't
want
to
do
something
they.
They
have
every
right
to
say
we're
not
renewing
that
lease
agreement
that's
coming
up
and
that's
not
50
60
years
down
the
road
that's
coming
up
in
the
next
few
years.
I
So
you
know
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
is
can
get
that
agreement
back
in
place
for
another
10
years
or
can
we
do
something
where
the
city
owns,
that
that
would
have
to
be
something
that
have
to
be
done
so,
but
currently,
as
it
sits,
that's
not
on
city-owned
property,
that's
on
county
owned
property,
so
where
some
chase
is
and
where
the
the
newer
ball
fields
out
at
the
Cooke
complex.
No,
it's
not!
That
is
not
own
buyers.
I
B
J
J
B
I
B
I
I
B
I
I
B
B
Really
be
argumentative
on
this,
but
let
me
respond
to
your
question.
You
asked
it
so
we
should
throw
that
away.
No
I,
don't
think
we
should,
because,
if
we
throw
it
away
and
take
take
no
further
steps,
we're
going
to
lose
the
bond
funding
availability
for
this
project,
and
then
we
are
that
further
in
the
hole
that
much
further
down
the
road.
And
so
am
I
recommending
that
we
do.
This,
no
I
think
that
the
city
needs
to
do
the
greater
point.
The
greater
price
point
do
more
my
personal
opinion.
B
A
G
Respond
to
this
gives
you,
even
if
you
do
the
stripped-down
version.
First
of
all,
I
think
you've
got
you
know
if
you're
committed
to
building
something
you've
got
some
fundraising
opportunity
and
people
are
gonna.
Take
you
serious
when
you
go
out
to
do
that
as
well.
As
you
know,
you've
got
a
building
and
a
structure
in
a
facility
that
you
can
add
to,
and
the
key
word
here
is
add
to
without
doing
a
lot
of
demolition.
G
You
have
a
facility,
a
structure,
that's
adequate
to
add
to
and
make
the
facility
that
will
be
the
asset
to
the
community
and
I.
Think
you
can
get
people
behind
that.
You
can
get
them
to
support
that.
So
I
think
that's
important
I.
If
I
could
ask
a
quick
question
at
Kristen
as
well,
just
as
I'm
reading
this
this
bottom
paragraph,
the
additional
contribution
of
from
Prairie
Lakes
to
the
fund
of
443
will
move
it
to
nearly
six
million.
Now.
Is
that
the
annual
contribution
that
will
be
coming
in
each
year,
yeah.
J
I
did
it
just
for
18
that
the
six
million
would
be
what
we
would
end
18
with
theirs
would
be
two
more
years:
19
and
20
you
another
four
hundred,
forty
three
thousand
I
think
for
those
two
years
and
basically
the
reason
I
included.
Those
was
because,
when
fund
504
was
established,
it
was
established
to
do
the
three
projects
and
obviously
to
build
the
Wellness
Center
took
some
and
then
the
contribution
is
going
back
to
that,
but
it's
really
going
back
to
the
fund.
G
2020
to
seven
so
with
funds
that
are
committed,
that
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
it's
pretty
safe
to
say:
prairie
lakes
is
gonna
follow
through
on
those
commitments.
We
have
closer
to
six
point:
nine
million
yep
that
we
can
budget
for
this
project.
That
is,
you
know,
funds
coming
in
funds
going
out,
and
so
now
you
know
this
is
this
is
the
key
here
right
is
there's
a
Delta
there's
we
got
to
find
a
way
to
bridge
the
gap.
We
got
to
pick
a
direction.
We
got
to
go
with
it.
G
We
got
to
find
a
way
to
bridge
the
gap
you
know
and
I'm
willing
to
go
out
and
and
use
whatever
resources
I
have
to
raise
funds.
I
spoke
to
the
Hockey
Association
of
some
of
ice
users
to
to
try
to
get
some
idea
of
some
level
that
we
can
commit
to
it.
But
you
know
I
feel
like
if
we
can
get
the
city
to
the
eight
point,
seven
to
get
the
the
stripped
down
version
and
come
up
with
those
funds
to
get
there,
then
we
can
get
it
to
the
ten
point.
G
G
That's
fair:
if
you
say
it's,
you
feel
it's
a
better
idea
to
go
back
to
the
old
rink
and
refurbish
that
then
then
yeah
we
can
probably
get
by
with
less
money.
I
can
tell
you
that
without
fifty
thousand
dollar
study
that
we
can
get
to
two
sheets
there,
but
let's
pick
that
direction
and
let's
go
with
it,
but
we
got
it.
We
got
to
do
something
here.
D
Connect
I,
don't
want
you
two
to
take
my
comments.
They
need
any
other
way.
Then
I
believe
that
in
the
past
we've
been
set
to
hear
it
it's
too
expensive,
too
expensive.
It's
too
expensive
I
that
comes
from
an
architect
comes
from.
You
know
the
previous
mayor,
it
kind
of
justice
to
expect
I've.
You
know
to
me
the
Devils
in
the
detail.
How
do
we
know
that?
That's
all
I'm
asking
for
just
show
me
the
detail
that
gives
me
some
idea
of
what
it
really
costs.
G
D
A
Know
when
I
first
became
mayor,
I
searched
and
searched
for
files
and
information
and
committee
notes,
there's
and
I
found
out
that
the
committee
was
me
and
the
architect
and
that
no
no
that's
when
I
appointed
you
guys
who
actually
know
about
ice
I,
don't
know
about
ice
I'm,
not
the
right
person
to
lead
that
committee.
I
wanted
I
I
see
that
this
is
something
that
came
out
of
our
visioning
process
for
our
community
and
I'm
all
about
one
creative
vision
and
to
go
for
it
once
you've
created
that
vision
go
for
it.
A
We
should
fulfill
it.
We
should
do
everything
that
we
can
to
fulfill
our
community's
vision,
and
this
is
part
of
it
and
I.
Think
it's
good
to
talk
about
how
we
got
here
and
I
I
know.
This
committee
has
put
blood,
sweat
and
tears
to
get
to
this
point
and
it's
painful.
These
numbers
are
painful
to
even
look
at
it's
so
much
higher.
Then
then
we
were
led
to
believe,
and
that
creates
an
issue
for
us
for
financing.
We
I
agree
with
Mike.
We
need
to
know
what
the
numbers
are.
A
We
should
know
what
it's
going
to
cost
for
us
to
maintain
this
facility
and
I'm
gonna
reach
out
to
people
and
ask
them
to
provide
me
with
those
numbers,
as
I'm
preparing
a
recommended
budget
for
the
council
to
look
at
I
want
this
facility
I
think
that
it
will
attract
people
to
move
here
and
come
here
and
visit
here
and
spend
their
money
here.
I
think
this
is
a
good
thing
for
our
community,
but
we've
got
to
know
that
we
can
afford
it
and
we
need
real
numbers
and
I
think
these
are
real
numbers.
A
C
A
G
A
And
and
I
I
agree
that
fixing
up
the
backyard
version
on
somebody
else's
property,
maybe
isn't
the
right
way
to
present
to
our
world.
This
is
our
water
tone.
This
is
our
community.
This
is
us,
we're
great
come.
You
know
we
don't
always
have
to
have
the
bare
bones,
nothing.
We
can
up
it
a
little
bit.
We
want
to
improve
our
community.
That's
the
purpose
of
a
vision
right.
Where
are
we
going?
What
do
we
want?
Where?
What
do
you
want
to
say?
20
years
from
now
is
awesome
about
water
down?
G
G
A
I
Just
a
couple,
quick
comments
and
I
got
a
couple
questions
if
you
could,
but
you
know,
I've
seen
it
in
other
facilities
that
we
have
built
where
we
have
not
gone.
The
way
that
we
should
I
mean
I
picture
the
Events
Center,
which
got
dropped
down,
and
you
know
made
smaller
and
eventually
it's
the
point.
It's
probably
not
utilized
to
the
point
that
it
was
originally
intended
to
do.
I
I
C
B
A
B
The
key
and
one
of
the
things
I
respond.
Yes,
yep,
my
personal
opinion.
My
personal
opinion
is
that
the
city
should
spend
the
money
that
is
equivalent
to
a
12
to
13
million
dollar
building,
which
the
other
two
architects
that
were
interviewed
in
conjunction
with
RSA,
suggested
that
we
do
because
it's
better
construction,
its
long-term
viability.
B
I
B
I
The
things
I
want
to
see
I
want
to
see
that
something
that
can
be
utilized,
or
we
can
finish
where
it's
a
relatively
easy
finish.
You
know,
maybe
it's
we
have
the
concrete
poured.
We
got
the
items
ready,
maybe
the
walls
are
up,
but
there's
no
interior
finish.
There's
no
plumbing
fixtures,
some
things
of
that
nature,
where
we
can
slowly
buy
those.
You
know
where
we
fundraise
for
it.
You
know
Laverne
is
a
perfect
example
where
they
built
their
facility.
I
You
know
they
sold
squares
on
a
board
for
their
seating
and
they
sold
squares
on
the
board
for
their
concrete.
You
know:
can
we
do
some
long
that,
that's
probably
you
know
more
of
the
fundraising
side,
but
that's
what
I
would
like
to
see?
I
don't
want
to
put
something
out
there.
That
is
not
sufficient
enough
to
to
host
events
so.
B
I
I
G
Know
I
think
if
you
look
at
probably
a
little
bit
like
the
Larson,
you
know-
probably
not
quite
as
nice,
not
much
mezzanine
level
upstairs,
but
if
you're,
if
you're
sitting
in
the
rank.
Looking
around
looking
up,
it's
going
to
be
similar
to
that.
If
I
recall,
the
Larson
has
there's
some
some
hybrid
between
the
shields
and
Larson.
I
Expensive
is
yes,
okay,
all
right,
okay,
yeah
I'm,
just
kind
of
trying
to
picture
this
in
my
head
without
a
exterior
visual.
What
it
would
look
like
because
that's
the
other
thing
I
want
to
see.
Is
it
something?
That's
appealing
not
just
a
you
know
a
pole,
weren't
sitting
out
there
type
deal
I
mean
if
we
have
some
decorative
things
to
it,
or
we
can
add
that
I
know
that's
down
the
road
I
don't
want
to
add
any
more
cost
than
when
we
get
on
the
inside,
but.
B
K
K
Obviously,
I'm
concerned
about
the
cost,
but,
by
the
same
token,
I'd
be
very
concerned
about
trying
to
refurb
the
existing
facility
one
when
we
got
land
issues
out
there
that
don't
own
the
land,
necessarily
we've
got
potentially
parking
issues
and
three
long-term.
We
still
have
an
old
building,
or
at
least
part
of
its
gonna
be
an
old
building
that
who
knows
what
it's
gonna
cost
to
refurbish?
We
maybe
will
save
something
initially,
but
I,
guess
long-term
I
think
that'd
be
a
foolish
use
of
our
money.
K
I,
don't
remember
exactly
what
we
voted
on
a
couple
years.
I
would
have
part
of
this
at
that
vote.
I
was
always
under
the
impression
that
we
were
looking
at
building
facility
out
of
the
softball
complex.
That
was
my
you
know,
maybe
I'm
wrong
and
that
in
that
understanding,
but
that's
what
I
thought
we
were
looking
at
at
at
moving
forward
with
at
that
time.
K
If
we
move
forward
and
I'm
all
in
favor
of
it.
If
we
move
forward
with
that
facility
out
there,
I
don't
want
something:
that's
an
embarrassment
to
the
community
when
I
start
hearing
about
you
know
gravel
for
seating
area
and
again
I'm
not
being
critical
of
what
you're
saying
just
make
it
a
point:
gravel
for
seating
area,
no
bathroom
facilities
or
very
minimal
bathroom
facilities.
To
me,
that's
an
embarrassed
of
the
community
I
remember
when
we
started
going
to
this.
K
We
were
excited
about
the
possibility
of
hosting
state
hockey
tournaments
and
I,
see
that's
totally
off
the
table
now.
Based
upon
that,
this
is
for
sure.
The
scaled-down
version
that
we've
got
I
mean
I'd
like
to
see
us
again
challenge
ourselves:
let's
analyze
what
the
potential
tax
revenue
could
be
from
this.
Secondly-
and
it's
a
segue
into
our
next
item
on
the
agenda,
you
know
we
haven't,
we
haven't
pursued
you
what
kind
of
sponsorship
or
nating
right
naming
rights
opportunities?
We
would
have
out
there
that
might
pose
a
good
share
of
that
yeah.
J
G
G
This
is
kind
of
falls
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
committee
that
we're
already
on,
but
to
get
there
and
I
feel
like
if
we
can
get
to
the
point
where
the
we
know
that
come
city
will
be
comfortable
spending
up
to
nine
million,
and
we
know
we
need
an
eleven
million
dollar
facility.
But
if
we
have
the
council
support
to
spend
nine
million
dollars,
I
feel
like
we
can
get
to
ten
point
five
or
eleven
million,
but
we
need
nobody.
G
G
Never
gonna
happen
and
if
we
can
get
you
know
some
sort
of
commitment
or
some
sort
of
favorable
to
spend
X
amount
of
dollars.
Then
we
know
what
we're
up
against
and
we've
got.
You
know
if
you
say
if
you
reached,
you
know
we'll
get
to
this
point.
If
you
can
get
to
this
point,
then
we
know
what
we
got
to
do
and
people
will
take
us
seriously.
I
want.
B
To
follow
up
on
what
Glen
and
Eric
said-
and
this
is
a
conversation
that
the
mayor
and
I
had
on
our
way
in
she
told
me
that
Vince,
you
have
to
come
up
with
an
operating
budget
on
how
this
facility
is
going
to
work,
and
it
makes
sense.
You
know,
that's
that's
something.
Actually
I
had
had
started
three
years
ago
with
Terry
Kelly
and
now
Terry
doesn't
know
yet,
but
he's
back
in
charge.
C
B
A
B
Haven't
we've:
we've
guardedly
gave
the
architect
assignments.
We
didn't
tell
them
to
go
out
based
on
the
existing
contract
that
they
have
to
design
this
all
the
way
out.
We
didn't.
We
wanted
to
Shepherd
that
money,
so
we've
only
had
them
do
the
the
floor
based
concepts,
they
do
have
the
elevations
and
everything
I
believe
already
shot,
but
that
type
of
side
views
and
that
type
of
stuff
will
be
forthcoming.
Once
we
have
direction
Vince.
I
Eric
to
your
point,
I
think
some
of
the
reasons
that
we've
had
some
reluctance
from
anyone
to
actually
step
up
is
because
we
don't
have
an
actual
plan
in
place
and
we've
never
had
anything
other
than
a
square.
I
mean
there's
no
drawing
as
to
what
it
looks
like.
There's,
no
interior
rendering-
and
you
know
I
mean
that's
something
that
our.
I
If
we,
if
you
guys
decide
to
do
a
recommendation
for
the
advertiser
for
the
people
looking
to
get
advertisers
put
their
put
their
name
in
there,
I
mean
obviously
that's
something
they
they
would
have
to
be
able
to
do.
I
know
and
I
I
remember
when
Brookings
hosted
their
high
school
state,
I
brought
over
a
million
dollars
or
the
revenue
into
Brookings
in
one
weekend.
So
obviously
there
is
money
that
comes
with
anytime,
you
host
a
tournament.
We.
B
Want
to
make
sure
that
the
idea
is
we
not
that
we're
going
to
build
it
now,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we,
yes,
that
elbow
room
because
Brookings,
if
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
know
Brookings,
only
built
one
side
of
their
their
bleachers
to
begin
with
and
then
later
built
the
other
side.
Without
that
second
side,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
host
the
state
tournament
right,
so
they
built
it
in
phases
and
that
that's
the
same
kind
of
concept.
B
We
had
number
one
number
two:
you
talk
about
advertisers
if
you'd
go
to
sheet
one
and
you
see
how
on
the
competition
rank,
there
is
a
lot
of
structure
built
on
outside
the
rink
on
both
ends.
That
was
a
big
negative
on
the
existing
plan
for
advertisers
and
naming
rights
and
I
know
that
firsthand
because
it
took
away
expansion.
Thus
the
committee,
if
you
go
to
four
five
and
six,
you
can
see
how
that
conflict
was
removed
and
so
keeping
keeping
in
mind.
That
was
part
of
the
vision
of
the
committee.
Thank.
A
K
A
K
A
B
G
A
A
K
Why
don't
I
before
one
is
true
and
again
this
will
come
before
the
full
council
Monday
night,
but
I
looks
like
we're
losing
losing
some
members
as
time
goes
by,
but
I
want
to
throw
out
some
numbers
here.
Just
to
kind
of
put
this
in
perspective.
We've
got
three
options:
I
had
suggested
I
so
far,
I've
never
heard
any
conversation
that
says
we
didn't
want
to
move
forward
with
continued
services
by
Ryan
I.
Think
the
contacts
he's
made
the
last
year
that
are
gonna
start
to
come
to
fruition.
K
We
look
at
option
B,
a
combination
of
a
monthly
retainer
and
a
commission
that
same
$350,000
would
cost
us
fifty
seven
thousand
to
fifty
option.
C
a
pure
Commission
based
upon
the
three
hundred
fifty
thousand,
would
cost
us
roughly
sixty
five
thousand
dollars
and
another
way
I
looked
at.
It
is
a
break-even
point
with
option
B
if,
if
he
would
only
if
he
would
generate
more
than
ninety
to
ninety
two
thousand
dollars
is
the
break-even
point.
K
In
other
words,
if
you
were
to
generate
more
than
that
which
I
would
surely
hope,
he'd
be
able
to
definitely
option,
B
would
cost
more
than
option.
A
looking
at
options
see
the
break-even
points
about
a
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand,
in
other
words
anything
more
than
135,000.
Now
the
pure
commission
basis
would
would
definitely
cost
us
more
so
I'm
back
to
where
I
was
at
the
last
committee
meeting
at
the
council
meeting
still
suggesting
option
a
that.
K
We
look
at
the
three-month
now,
if
we're
that
concerned
about
the
revenue
he's
going
to
generate
I,
guess
it
probably
in
other
words,
that's
an
argument
for
a
commission
type
basis.
Then
I
guess
we
probably
should
have
the
conversation
of.
Do
we
even
want
to
continue
to
work
with
Ryan
I?
Do
I
I
trust
what
he
can
generate
for
us,
even
though
this
last
year
I
admit
was-
was
somewhat
disappointing,
but
I
still
in
back
to
suggesting
that
we
look
at
option
for
a
three-month
period
and
then
analyze
it
going
forward
after
that.
F
H
I
think
the
same
thing
that
he's
got
so
much
groundwork
that
he's
had
to
go
around
and
go
through.
He
had
quite
a
he
had
quite
a
few
hurdles
to
get
past
in
water
tone
and
so
I
think
he's
gotten
past
them
and
I
think
now
he's
ready
to
move
on
and
it
he
sounded
pretty
positive
that
he
was
going
to
land
several
things
in
this
next
quarter
and
maybe
even
more
he's
got
some
options.
Now
there
are
new
things
open
here
for
him
to
work
on.
H
So
I
really
think
in
conversation
today
talking
about
the
hockey
rink
it
it
would
not
seem
like
we'd
want
to
start
over
with
somebody
different
like
Glenn
said.
Well,
if
we
don't
like
I,
don't
think
we
not
don't
like
Mariah
and
I
think
it's
it's
just
yet
he
had
a
time
getting
his
footing.
And
now
that
he's
got
traction
I'd
like
to
see
him
move
forward
right.
A
And
although
if
we
had
a
crystal
ball
and
could
see
where
we
were
or
where
we
would
be
today
last
year,
we
would
have
chosen
pure
Commission,
because
that
would
have
been
the
best
deal
for
us,
but
as
a
matter
of
personal
pride,
I
think
he's
going
to
perform
for
us
I
think
he
hates
to
hates
the
thought
of
leaving
here
without
performing
in
this
quarter.
What
he
you
know
so
I
don't
disagree
with
you
I
appreciate
Glenn
that
you
ran
the
numbers.
That's
interesting
to
see
that
and
I
appreciate
that
you
did
that.
A
K
A
Right
moving
along
is
there
any
old
business.
Is
there
any
new
business?
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
council
committee
meeting
times
are
going
to
change,
starting
with
our
next
council
meeting.
This
time
period
was
obviously
we're
losing
people.
This
hasn't
worked
out
very
well
for
us
and
pretty
much
everybody
wanted
to
change.
So
we
will
be
moving
the
committee
meetings
back
to
the
day
of
the
council
meeting
starting
at
four
o'clock.
A
We
will
start
with
Finance
Committee
meeting
all
the
time
and
if
there
is
no
Finance
Committee
meeting
public
works
will
be
at
4:30.
If
there
is
a
Finance
Committee
meeting
public
works
will
follow
immediately
after
the
finance
meeting.
So
that's
what
I
have
any
other
new
business,
no
need
for
executive
sessions.
So
look
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
move
by
ville,
Hauer
second,
by
Albertson
I'm,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
motion
carries.