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From YouTube: Plan Commission Meeting 06 20 2019
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City of Watertown, SD
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C
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B
You
brandy
first
time
on
the
agendas
invitation
for
public
comment:
participants,
the
middle.
We
have
a
sign-up
sheet
up
here
if
you'd
like
to
speak
in
the
public
related
to
an
item,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
today,
go
ahead
and
sign
up
and
we'll
have
a
time
for
that
later.
On
and
I'm
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
D
B
E
C
B
B
C
You
so
this
is
up,
as
you
guys
have
seen
previously
in
the
same
Lakeridge
edition
just
north
of
the
sailboat
landing
for
an
r1
property
to
be
rezone
to
c3.
Now
this
is
the
petitioner
is
Roy
Walsh,
and
so
he
owns
the
property
just
to
the
west
of
what
we
approved
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I'm
probably
a
month
at
this
point.
So
this
property
here
is
about
30,000
square
feet,
which
is
sufficient
for
the
c3
zoning,
which
is
20,000
square
feet.
C
Access
is
something
that
we
would
discuss
at
the
time
of
commercial
site
plan
application,
and
then,
with
the
this
property
and
the
property
to
the
east,
they
would
have
the
sufficient
660
feet
for
access
onto
the
highway.
But
that
would
be
a
separate
application
that
they
would
go
through
with
the
d-o-t
at
that
time
and
if
they
would
grant
access.
B
B
These
kind
of
scenarios,
where
we
have
multiple
property
owners
proposing
a
rezone
to
the
same
zoning
district.
We
try
to
lump
them
together.
My
understanding
is
that
mr.
Walsh
wasn't
aware
of
this
until
the
other
wasn't
in
process
already,
and
that
was
the
reason
for
doing
these
two
separate
actions
right.
C
B
F
D
D
One
of
the
things
that
the
Planning
Commission
in
the
City
Council
is
contemplating
moving
forward
would
be
the
development
of
a
new
commercial
zoning
district
solely
for
the
lake
and
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
the
recommendation
to
this
C
3
zoning
and
subsequently
down
the
road,
we
did
come
up
with
a
new
zoning
district.
That's
what
still
allow
for
commercial
uses
that
support
the
lake
environment
out
there.
Would
you
be
supportive
of
initiated
rezoning
to
this
new
commercial
district?
D
D
I'm
thinking
right
now,
some
of
the
uses
that
are
allowed
in
the
C
3
zone
would
not
be
allowed
in
the
new
leg
zone.
It'd
be
more
for
uses
supporting
people
that
live
at
the
lake.
You
know,
boat,
rentals
things
that
you
know
boat,
docks,
cleaning,
fish,
cleaning,
bait
stations.
You
know,
restaurants
bars.
Those
types
of
things
that
you
would
normally
see
at
a
lake
environment
would
be
allowable
commercial
use.
You
know
many
commercial
storage,
but
maybe
not
something
like
that.
C
The
new
commercial
of
the
lake
commercial
district
would
be
commercial
in
a
sense
that
it
would
be
fully
utilizing
those
properties
on
the
lake,
and
so
the
the
offensive
permitted
uses
that
are
currently
in
C
3.
Would
they
wouldn't
be
included
and
the
ones
that
were
have
mentioned
been
made.
Mention
of
have
been
the
farm
machinery
or
semi
truck
sales
parking
lot.
D
Granted
I,
don't
we
don't
have
we
talked
about
this?
The
last
public
hearing?
We
don't
have
the
authority
to
apply
that
to
the
request
at
this
point
in
time.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
was
aware
that
things
could
change
down.
The
road
change
is
a
constant.
We
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
are
aware
of
that
and.
D
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F
F
B
C
E
Brandi
I
have
a
question
for
you:
I
see
that,
but
what's
being
requested
is
actually
two
Lots,
but
it's
it's
one
parcel
and
together
as
one
parcel,
it
meets
our
minimum
area
requirements
but
as
individual
Lots
they
would
fall
short.
So
is
this
property
going
to
be
reef
plotted
as
one
lot
so
that
it
meets
our
c3
or
is
it
gonna
be
like
a
development,
a
lot
agreement
astir
you.
D
Recommendation
is
that
it
is
not
a
condition
of
the
rezoning,
because
I
firmly
do
not
believe
in
conditional
rezoning
I
think
it's
something
that
we
would
want
to
come
back
and
state
that
it
needs
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
subdivision
regulations
which
require
it
to
be
replanted
if
I'm
not
wrong.
So
this
is
stating
the
obvious
I.
Don't
want
to
come
back
and
say
that
a
condition
of
the
rezoning
is
that
it
is
to
be
replanted,
because
that's
just
it's
redundant.
C
Right,
it
is
stating
the
obvious
the
only
thing
that
it's
to
also
solidify
that
that
will
happen,
because,
if
that,
if
it's
not
completed,
then
we're
gonna
look
into
it
down
the
road
and
say
well.
Why
did
it
whether
those
zoned
that,
because
they're,
not
non-conforming,
so
to
protect
what
our
requirements
are
today?
That's
why
we
just
wanted
to
state
it
in
there
I,
don't.
H
D
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
if
I
want
to
construct
and
get
a
building
permit
on
a
piece
of
property,
the
plat
has
to
be
that
the
lot
needs
to
meet
the
minimum
lot
required
mm-hmm.
Neither
one
of
these
Lots
individually
meet
the
men
of
a
lot
requirement
yeah.
So,
in
order
to
get
a
building
permit,
they
would
have
to
be
brought
together
either
through
a
development,
a
lot
agreement
or
replac,
which
is
something
that's
done
administratively
correct.
It.
H
D
Because
why
I
met
with
it
philosophically,
is
that
all
we're
being
asked
of
today
is
to
bless
this
piece
of
dirt.
Do
we
believe
that
it's
a
good
place
for
a
commercial
development
of
some
sort,
and
so
by
blessing
that
we
are
stating
that
yes,
this
piece
of
dirt
is
fine?
How
it
further
gets
developed
is
really
subsequent
to
this
discussion,
but.
H
D
C
So
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
reference
parcel.
It
is
lot
which
is
specific,
that
it
is
plaited.
So
that's
why
this
just
acknowledges
that
we
know
that
it's
non-conforming
how
it
how
it
stands
today
and
that
we
would
not.
We
wouldn't
entertain
it
if
there
wasn't
enough
square
footage
that
20
thousand
square
feet
at
least
and
then
just
acknowledging
that
it
does
need
to
be
replanted.
D
C
D
D
H
That's
that's
the
struggle
we're
in
here
on
how
to
waves.
I
have
seen
other
communities
addresses
or
to
require
a
replac
come
forth
with
the
rezone
application.
Now,
in
my
opinion,
one
could
contend
that
that
may
be
a
little
egregious
because
we
don't
know
if
the
reason
one's
gonna
pass
and
you've
made
the
applicant
go
through
the
effort
of
getting
a
plat
put
together
on
contingency
of
a
reason,
maybe
or
maybe
not
passing
so
I
don't
know
is
that
we
want
to
go
to
that
extent.
H
But
I
do
understand
your
concern
on
the
contingencies
being
placed
on
the
rezone.
So
I
would
be
curious
to
brainstorm
and
continue
this
conversation
on
how
to
best
address
that,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
the
replac
does
occur,
but
not
make
it
look
like
an
egregious
or
a
contingency.
That
would
be
unlawful,
I
think.
B
D
Could
very
well
be
just
memorialized
by
ordinance
as
well
that
the
ordinance
can
be
changed
to
state
the
obvious
that
any
application
for
a
rezoning
of
lots
that
don't
meet
the
minimum
lot
will
be
required
issuance
of
any
building
permit.
So
therefore,
it's
therefore
it's
stated
in
the
ordinance
and
we're
just
we're
not
using
discretion,
but.
C
D
C
Are
both
both
listed
and
building
permits
won't
be
issued
until
that's
all
approved
and
I
mean?
Maybe
if
the
language
is
concerning
for
you
for
you,
we
could
say
like
required
as
or
the
property
be
required
to
replant
as
a
result
of
this
rezone
request
and
not
using
conditions.
I
think
that
sounds
better
yeah
yeah.
J
D
It's
not
so
when
you
use
the
word
condition:
you're
boxing
the
decision
that
we
won't
rezone
this,
even
though
it
may
be
comports
with
the
Land
Use
Plan
it
comports
with
all
other
aspects.
There's
no
there's
no
opposition
to
the
rezoning.
It
makes
perfect
sense,
but
we're
exacting
something
out
of
you
in
order
to.
C
D
That's
all
I'm
saying
is
we
are
we
are.
We
are
saying
that
yes,
we'll
do
it
as
long
as
you
do
that
and
I
think.
That's
fine!
If
you're
talking
about
planning
if
you're
talking
about
conditional
use
permits
it's
not
appropriate
when
it
comes
to
zoning
and
that's
just
I'm,
just
speaking
from
more
of
a
25-year
experience
and
seeing
other
places
in
case
law
in
that
regards,
and
so
I'm
not
saying
that
there's
anything
wrong
with
saying:
we
want
you
to
plat
it.
D
B
B
L
Well,
I
continue
to
have
problems
and
concerns
with
this
kind
of
action.
We
have
such
a
finite
area
available
at
the
lake
c3
is
our
broadest
commercial
zoning
available
and
I.
Personally,
just
don't
believe
that
we
should
proceed
with
rezoning
these
properties
until
we
actually
have
a
lake
specific
commercial
zoning
ordinance.
That's
been
discussed
and
adopted
formally.
C
Yeah
and
we
do
want
to
move
forward
with
a
commercial
Lake
commercial
district,
because
we
completely
understand
that
reservation
and
that
has
been
stated
by
counsel
as
well.
So
it
will
be
something
that
we
are
looking
into
and
trying
to
get
something
back
to
you
guys
as
soon
as
possible
and
before
maybe
we'd
have
another
petition
in
our
application.
Yes,.
B
D
Just
to
state
what
we
had
stated
last
time
again,
I
think
it's
it's
the
best
tool
we
have
in
the
toolbox
at
this
time
to
address
the
requests.
It's
not
the
perfect
fit
but
I
think
the
existing,
comprehensive
Land,
Use
Plan
and
the
conference
of
land
use
plan.
That's
been
talked
about
for
the
last
couple
years
does
provide
for
mixed
uses
and
commercial
development
along
this
section
of
the
lake.
D
To
me,
as
I
stated
before
the
last
request:
it's
it's
fronts:
highway
property,
it's
no
different
than
the
highway
property,
that's
fronted
between
10th
Avenue,
north
and
4th
Avenue
South.
That's
a
currently
zoned
highway
commercial
in
the
city,
proper
of
the
community
and
so
based
upon.
That
is
why
I
would
sue
the
request
that
says.
E
E
C
E
C
E
B
C
So
this
is
a
zoning
text,
amendment
to
title
21
of
the
ordinances,
updating
the
definitions
of
recreational
facility
and
recreational
use
and
their
use
just
distribution
either
permitted
or
conditional
throughout
the
zoning
districts
in
title
21.
So
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
recreational
uses
like
for
the
past
year
and
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
best
distribute
them
throughout
title
21,
and
so
where
we
were
the
last
time
it
just
didn't.
It
didn't
differentiate
between.
C
Public
and
private
or
commercial
entities
so
to
resolve
that
issue.
We
came
up
with
the
two
definitions,
so
the
referee
recreation
facility
is
a
place
designed
and
equipped
for
the
conduct
of
sports,
leisure
time
activities
and
other
customary
unusual
recreational
activities,
either
active
or
passive
and
operated
as
a
business.
And
then
recreational
use
is
pretty
much
the
same
definition,
although
it
doesn't
include
that
it's
being
used
or
conducted
as
a
business.
C
So
it's
a
place
designated
designed
and
equipped
for
the
conduct
of
sports,
leisure
time
activities
and
other
customary
and
usual
recreational
activities,
including
active
or
passive
activities,
and
open
to
the
public
and
then
in
parentheses,
public
parks,
playgrounds,
etc,
and
then
so
I
didn't
change
how
we
had
them
in
the
ordinance
before
so
how
we
had
added
it.
As.
A
C
C
Yep
and
then
the
only
thing
that
I
I
guess
I
should
note
that
I
changed
is
because
we
had
that
definition
for
a
recreational
facility
and
that's
the
one
that
we
allowed
as
a
conditional
use
in
a
one
light
industrial
district.
So,
instead
of
having
that
separately
defined,
we
just
added
to
that
definition
to
say
recreation
facility
open
to
the
public
14
years
of
age
and
older.
H
C
And
I
notice
that
in
this
resolution
there
are
it
says,
recreational
facilities,
so
I'm
going
to
amend
that
with
the
most
updated
version
and
then
all
so
that
that's
just
a
change
I
mean
more
clerical
or
I
guess,
but
to
match
the
definition.
It's
actually
recreation
facility
and
you'll
see
throughout
this
resolution.
This
one
still
includes
recreational
facility,
but
we
want
to
differentiate
them
even
more,
so
that
I
will
change
before
I
get
Blake
signature.
B
B
Was
looking
through
this
I
thought
it
was
really
well
done.
I
mean
this
is
exactly
what
we're
looking
for
to
differentiate
those
two
types
of
uses,
of
course,
and
then
to
provide
for
some
locations
in
town
where
it
makes
sense
that
they're
permitted
uses
and
not
necessarily
a
conditional
use
and
and
looking
through
this
I've.
You
know
I
agree
with
everything
that
you
you've
laid
out.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
approach.
C
D
G
E
B
C
F
C
But
this
is
already
zoned
r2
single-family
attached
residential
and
what
they're
proposing
is
10
lots
with
duplexes
on
each
so
20
units
and
they
will
all
be
provided
frontage
from
a
private
Street,
which
is
Eastwood's
Drive
and
as
far
as
utilities
go,
the
sewer
and
water
main
will
remain.
Private
they'll
have,
if
you
see
well
you'll,
see
later
on
with
the
plat.
We
have
the
agreements
that
solidify
all
all
of
those
requirements,
brandy.
H
H
And
actually
mark
is
here
from
municipal
utilities
and
I
can,
while
I've
got
the
mic
explained
on
the
sanitary
sewer
end,
we
as
a
city,
we
were
comfortable
taking
over
the
sanitary
sewer
for
a
couple
phases,
one
it's
going
to
be
underneath
the
paved
surface
roadway.
So
we
will
have
access
to
those
manholes
for
maintenance
of
that
system
and
also
that
private
roadway,
how
remain
private
will
have
and
retain
a
public
access
easement
over
it.
D
H
No,
that's
a
good
question.
I
know:
we've
taken
over
other
installations
that
maybe
haven't
met
both
those
criteria
in
the
past,
but
I
know
that's
a
standard
that
we
at
least
try
to
add
those
criteria,
myth
where
we
have
a
hard
surface
access
to
the
manholes
for
maintenance
purposes,
and
you
know
if
there
were
extreme
cases
where
those
two
criteria
couldn't
be
met
today
and
moving
forward.
H
I
would
probably
recommend
between
myself
and
the
wastewater
superintendent
that
we
not
take
that
over
as
public
infrastructure,
but
it
kind
of
it
really
does
depend
on
whether
it's
a
collection
line
and
a
trunk
line.
What
kind
of
sewer
line
it
is
and
the
area
that
it's
serving
there's
a
lot
of
different
criteria
that
we
would
take
into
account
as
well,
is.
C
I
I
I
It
is
a
little
different,
currently
it's
990
per
tap
and
residential.
So
in
this
case
the
main
would
be
looped,
so
we'd
have
to
990
fees,
tapping
onto
our
main,
and
then
we
charge
a
fee
based
on
the
number
of
acres
instead
of
the
990
per
lot,
which
in
this
case
will
be
about
half
the
cost.
If
we
were
to
do
it
per
lot,
so
there
is
a
savings,
but.
L
H
Can
and
the
developers
engineers
here
as
well
and
really
it's
driven
by
the
developers
desires
whether
they
want
the
street
to
be
taken
as
public
or
not.
We
do
in
our
standards,
allow
for
private
Road
private
street
construction.
It
still
has
to
meet
some
minimum
criteria,
as
in
the
roadway
width
like
in
this
case,
it
does
meet
the
28
foot.
Minimum
roadway
with
I
couldn't
speak
necessarily
as
to
why
the
developer
wanted
that.
But
I
can
speak
to
the
fact
that
it
does
meet
the
requirements
for
a
private
street
within
a
city.
D
H
Actually,
we
do
and
we
have
required
that
in
this
case
and
that
comes
into
play
in
a
couple
different
realms
one
would
be
for
emergency
access.
So
in
our
design
review
team
meeting
the
fire
marshal
ship
who's
here
tonight
pointed
out
that
the
the
fire
code
requires
that
for
any
roadway
width
less
than
32
feet
wide,
we
should
restrict
and
prohibit
parking
from
at
least
one
side
of
the
street.
So
in
this
particular
case
we
have
prohibited
parking
and
we've
required
that
to
be
carried
through
in
these
requirements.
B
H
Through
would
be
prohibited
parking
why
we
chose
outside
a
couple
of
different
reasons.
We,
the
hydrants,
will
be
placed
on
that
side
of
the
road
as
well,
allowing
fire
trucks,
clear
access
to
the
fire,
hydrants
and
also
the
it
was
the
least
amount
of
impact
to
for
the
garbage
route
that
would
have
to
be
taken
and
also
be
picked
up
on
that
same
side
of
the
street.
So
the
garbage
truck
has
access
to
the
cans
on.
H
D
C
C
And
that's
because
of
turnaround
issues
and
like
if
you
guys
remember
up
at
block
5
and
Valley
View
how
Dale
Hyman
did
that
private
street
they
actually
have
to
bring
their
garbages
to
either
grant
or
16th.
So
and
it's
not
like
the
distance
isn't
that
far
except
for
the
middle
people,
you
know
that'll
be
kind
of
a
downfall
to
those
Lots,
but
yeah.
It
just
depends
and
really
that's
something
we
could
probably
look
into
that.
They
probably
could
just
drive
straight
through
are.
C
L
And
I'm
curious
about
the
homeowners
association,
I've
never
dealt
with
one
personally
and
I.
See
their
responsibilities
are
scattered
throughout
disagreement.
Is
it
a
ravine?
It
says
they
will
have
one,
but
if
you're
a
homeowner
are
you
required
to
participate
in
it
or
I?
Don't
understand
how
that
yeah.
J
L
A
B
Is
there
language
around
that
in
the
development
agreement
too,
as
far
as
the
terms
and
conditions
of
this
extending
beyond
the
developers
to
the
heirs
assignees?
That
would
include
the
HOA
in
this
case
and
that
would
be
recorded
out
through
the
the
plat
and
pursuant
to
South
Dakota
law.
So
everybody's
aware
of
the
requirements.
J
H
The
the
primary
concern
with
the
city
and
the
interest
we
would
have
would
be
in
this
agreement
that
we
have
with
the
developer.
We
we
typically
do
not
police
the
the
private
homeowners
association
dealings,
similar
to
covenants,
as
some
neighborhoods
in
the
community
have
we
don't
legally
enforce
covenants
that
are
in
some
of
the
communities
like
up
on
River
Ridge,
for
example,
I
know,
there's
covenants
that
they
have
in
that
neighborhood.
H
So
we
try
not
to
get
into
the
weeds
of
administering
the
the
private
dealings
of
the
HOAs
or
the
covenants
of
a
neighborhood,
but
we
do
stipulate
criteria
that
affect
the
city
and
potential
financial
responsibilities
of
the
developer.
If
the
city
has
to
come
in
and
perform
any
work
or
labor
in
these
in
these
neighborhoods,
so.
D
H
Generally
speaking,
Commissioner
Kay's,
the
drainage
you're
right
has
collected
internally,
like
most
neighborhoods,
obviously
are
and
then
conveyed
and
captured.
This
one
is
required
to
capture
the
drainage,
and
it
is
doing
so
I
believe
in
a
two
different
separate
areas,
and
what
those
areas
will
do
is
accomplish
two
things:
one:
it
will
meet
the
water
quality
regulations
that
we
have
in
our
stormwater
regulations
and
also
a
two-year
water
quantity
storm
event.
Tension
will
be
accomplished
as
well.
D
Sorry,
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
have
my
speaker.
My
note,
my
mic
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
and
you
answered
my
question,
but
basically
the
question
was
whether
or
not
the
outflows
coming
off
as
development
will
be
able
to
be
accommodated
within
the
city
system
in
the
event
that
it
has
to
happen,
and
you
said
yes,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
my.
M
I
am
this
house
right
right
there
she's
got
me
highlighted
right
there
and
note
the
shed
on
the
back
corner
of
my
yard.
There
I'm
not
here,
to
speak
necessarily
in
opposition
to
the
plan
or
the
project,
but
the
concern
of
myself,
my
wife
and
my
immediate
neighbors
is
water
drainage.
That's
our
concern!
It's
been
a
concern
for
years.
It's
a
it's
a
concern
that
has
not
been
fixed.
I
can
hand
you
out
I
made
copies
for
each
of
you.
M
This
is
an
email
from
then
City
Engineer,
Shane
Waterman
acknowledging
the
problem
with
drainage
up
there
and
it's
dated
2015.
That's
how
long
this
problem
dates
back
when
I
met
with
Brandee
yesterday
she
pulled
out
a
list
of
projects
because
I
wanted
to
know
how
much
money
was
budgeted
for
a
fix
for
this
drainage
problem,
and
she
told
me
and
I
said
by
the
way:
how
old
is
our
project
compared
to
the
others
on
that
list?
And
she
said
yours
is
the
oldest
one,
so
we
have
not
gotten
a
solution
to
this
problem.
M
The
the
development
on
paper
looks
fine
to
me.
I
met
with
Mayor
Caron,
just
before
this
meeting
started
and
I
said
it
looks
good
on
paper,
but
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
I'm,
not
a
hydrologist
and
I,
don't
know
how
this
plan
will
affect
our
drainage
problem
if
at
all,
I
know
Heath
map
reference,
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
is
on
here,
while
we
can
I'll
try
and
bring
the
cursor
over
it
here.
If.
M
I
will
do
that
right
now.
This
is
a
heath
referred
to
it
as
a
drainage,
channel
I
believe
that's
a
misnomer,
because
it's
a
drainage
channel
that
does
not
drain
Pete
I
emailed
Pete.
Some
photos
that
maybe
he
can
pull
up
for
me
here
and
the
problem
is
that
during
that's
one,
it
becomes
just
a
garbage
collection
point.
You
can
note
dark-green
murky,
smelly
water
with
garbage
in
there.
That's
not
clean
water.
It's
just
junk
and
muck
in
there
there's
more
garbage
and
stuff
that
just
collects
them
there
and
looks
terrible
now.
M
This
shot
is,
would
be
kitty-corner
to
this
planned
development,
where
Heilman
yesterday
just
started
digging
more
homes
just
to
the
east
of
us,
and
then,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
one,
Pete
there's
another
house
that
is
currently
under
construction.
That
would
be
kitty
corner
from
this
development.
All
of
the
water
is
designed
to
flow
from
east
to
west,
and
these
new
homes
that
you
just
see
here
are
east
of
there.
M
So
it's
water
that
is
eventually
going
to
have
to
come
through
the
problem
is
it's
a
drainage
ditch
that
doesn't
drain
during
the
growing
season.
When
vegetation
starts
growing,
you
get
thick
grass
in
there
you
get
reeds,
you
get
cattails
and
there's
very
little
if
any
elevation
change
along
there,
and
so
there's
a
culvert
under
cherry
drive
to
the
east
of
me,
where
the
water
is
supposed
supposed
to
flow
under
the
road
down.
This
drainage
ditch
toward
Eastwood's
Park
and
it
doesn't
get
there.
It
just
sits
there.
M
All
summer
long
I've
lived
in
my
house
for
a
little
over
four
years
now
and
that
drainage
ditch
has
never
not
once
been
mowed,
and
it's
because
you
can't
it's
wet
all
the
time.
It's
stinky
murky,
slimy,
it's
a
breeding
ground
for
mosquitos
and
again
I'm,
not
here
to
to
torpedo
this
this
development
at
all.
M
We
were
here
in
2015
when
there
was
another
proposal
for
a
whole
bunch
of
apartment
buildings
up
there
and
it
was
a
terrible
fit
and
there
would
have
been
no
buffer
between
our
houses
and
all
of
these
apartment
buildings
and
the
zoning
got
changed
and
we're
thankful
for
that
and
we're
thankful
for
a
much
better
plan
here,
and
this
is
much
better
than
than
what
was
proposed
four
years
ago.
But
our
problem
is
a
drainage
issue
that
is
there
now
and
we
have
no
idea
how
this
proposed
development
is
going
to
impact.
M
B
So,
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
there's
some
excellent
points.
Currently
the
situation
up
there
is,
you
know
uncontrolled
drainage
off
of
that
empty
bare
lot
Heath.
Maybe
you
can
shed
some
light.
You
talked
a
little
bit
on
the
requirements
for
stormwater
retention
and
discharge
on
perceptional
II.
You
know
how
that
would
affect
it
having
to
have
controlled
stormwater
discharge
versus
the
natural
flow
that
exists
today.
B
H
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
so
the
drainage
plan
in
this
area
for
that
southerly
detention,
pond
one
of
the
things
in
the
review
process
that
that
this
project
has
gone
through
the
normal
semental
and
review
timelines.
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
we
did
meet
with
the
design
review
team
like
we
normally
would
for
Smita
like
this
and
has
met
all
the
calendar
dates
as
far
as
the
targeted
Smigiel
timelines
that
we
follow
for
every
cement
wall.
H
So
through
that
process
we,
the
design,
review
team
gets
together,
and
that
includes
several
departments
within
the
city,
including
engineering
planning,
building
services,
wastewater
department,
municipal
utilities
and
streets
department,
Fire
Department
police
department,
a
very
good
cross-section
of
the
city
that
is
representative
that
in
their
review
team.
So
as
far
as
a
hydrology
goes
and
how
the
the
runoff
is
reviewed,
the
developers
engineers
submits
a
drainage
report,
a
drainage
plan
to
the
city
engineering
office.
H
H
We
wanted
to
direct
that
flow
to
the
west
into
the
main
channel
and
not
have
it
come
out
into
that
East
westerly
channel
that
we
know
has
been
an
issue
for
the
residents
out
there,
so
that
was
one
of
the
first
simple
Corrections
that
we
required
of
the
developers
engineer
to
modify
the
outfall
of
that
rate
of
the
detention
pond.
So
it
flowed
to
the
West
not
to
the
south,
but
generally
speaking
as
far
as
runoff
and
the
quantity
of
runoff.
That's
exactly
how
it
is
mitigated
in
this
particular
drainage
basin.
H
It's
a
little
bit
different
than
other
drainage
basins,
depending
on
where
you're
at
in
the
city
and
the
requirements
for
detention
vary
depending
on
where
you're
at
the
city
and
in
this
Basin
we
do
require
a
what
we
call
a
minor
storm
event:
detention
for
holding
back
water
quantities
during
a
minor
storm
event,
which
is
an
event
rated
up
to
a
two
year
event.
What.
H
So
the
considerations
for
the
major
storm
event
is
what
need
to
be
accounted
for
as
far
as
the
capacities
in
this
drainage
Channel
and
if
in
a
major
storm
event,
the
drainage
channel
is
deemed
able
to
convey
flows
without
downstream
impacts.
Then,
in
this
particular
drainage
basin,
they're
allowed
to
go
under
normally
event
and.
H
D
F
D
H
Everything
excessive
the
minor
event
would
go
Undine
and
flow
out
into
the
main
drainage
channel.
The
reason
this
Basin
has
looked
at
a
little
bit
differently
is
because,
if
we
were
to
detain
the
main,
the
major
events,
we
would
have
devastating
impacts
on
the
main
Willow
Creek
channel,
and
so,
as
these
sub
tributary
areas,
these
sub
basins
continue
to
develop.
It's.
H
We
found
it
best
through
a
previous
engineering
study
that
these
tributary
areas
are
allowed
to
go
undetailed
on
the
major
event
so
that
that
large
amount
of
water
gets
to
the
main
drainage
channel
and
out
before
the
upstream
major
event
arrives.
You
don't
want
them
both
there
at
the
same
time.
Otherwise
it
causes
catastrophic
events
on
the
downstream
main
channel.
H
A
H
As
far
as
that
east
westerly
leg
of
this
drainage
channel,
the
one
that's
been
reference,
its
fat
issues,
the
city
is
working
on
a
plan
to
try
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
create
positive
flow.
So
we
can
help
you
eliminate
that
standing
water
we
have
contended
and
and
do
anticipate,
designing
a
natural
channel,
a
grass
line
channel
similar
to
the
rest
of
this
area,
but
we
do
acknowledge
it
needs
to
have
some
regrading
and
maybe
some
work
on
that
outlet
pipe.
That
was
referenced
as
well.
That
goes
underneath
cherry
drives.
H
Were
trying
to
avoid
the
tiling
effect
and
there's
a
little
bit
more
history
to
this?
That
I'm,
not
aware
of
on
some
of
the
considerations
that
have
been
given,
but
where
it's
landed
since
I've,
been
here
on.
My
desk
has
been
to
design
a
new
graded
surface
channel
to
convey
these
flows
and
try
to
get
a
little
bit
more
positive
drainage
than
then
it's
there
right
now.
Cuz
none
exists
right
now.
You
know
he
is
correct,
that
there
is
standing
water
there
and
it's.
D
K
We
typically
design
use
the
100-year
event
for
a
major
flood
and
the
5-year
is
a
minor
storm
for
stream,
bank
erosion
and
water
quality
control
and
that
detention
has
a
water
quality
benefit
even
at
the
100-year
storm.
But
our
main
reason
for
asking
for
a
hundred-year
detention
is
to
prevent
flood
damage
and
five
years
for
the
stream
bank
erosion
and
this
one,
this
watershed
being
so
large
and
being
close
to
the
confluence,
with
the
big
Sioux
River,
everything
in
town,
basically
in
the
Willow
Creek
Basin
has
been.
K
We
ignore
the
hundred
year
event
as
long
as
they
can
safely
convey
to
the
receiving
water.
Now,
if
there
is
a
neighborhood
between
the
runoff
point
and
the
receiving
water,
there
needs
to
be
a
safe
path
for
that
hundred
year,
event,
unda
tained,
to
get
to
the
receiving
water
and
then
we'll
assume
that
it's
safely
conveyed
all
the
way
down
to
the
big
Sioux
River
once
it
gets
into
the
main
channel.
So
there
is
a
main
channel
leading
just
right
next
to
this
development
and
it's
you
know,
it
goes
down
to
Willow,
Creek
and
Willow.
D
In
mr.
Tanner's
question
is
that
we
know
what's
coming
off
this
virgin
piece
of
ground
right
now
undeveloped.
We
know
that
if
we
developed
with
impervious
services
with
retention
and
detention
facilities
on
site,
the
runoff
should
not
be
any
worse
than
what's
coming
off
that
undeveloped
property.
Today
to.
K
H
B
H
Speak
to
the
the
minor
event,
detention
pond
outlets
and
I
would
assume
that
the
overflow
was
directed
in
that
same
direction
again.
The
developers
engineers
here
as
well
and
Colin,
who
reviewed
the
drainage
report,
but,
yes,
I,
would
suspect
that
the
old
flaw
for
that
same
structure
would
be
directed
to
the
West
as
well.
Colin.
M
I
make
just
a
couple
more
quick
points
here
and
then
I'll
get
out
of
the
chair
and
let
other
people
speak
at
the
first
Jun
City
Council
meeting.
Mr.
Heilmann
asked
for
a
variance
to
build
a
home
up
in
this
same
neighborhood
that
was
denied.
He
wanted
to
build
a
home
that
would
be,
and
Heath
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
the
lowest
level
would
be
only
18
inches
above
the
normal
help
me
out
here.
Yeah.
H
H
Lu
of
the
two
feet
that's
required
and
and
I
think
where
mr.
Tanner
might
be
going
with
this-
that
we
could
also
talk
to
with
the
developers
engineer,
I,
believe
all
these
structures
are
anticipated
to
be
slabs
on
grade
or
to
not
have
basements,
and
so
they
should
easily
meet
that
2
foot
above
the
ground.
Water
elevation
requirement
the.
M
Point
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
during
that
debate,
mayor
Karen,
who
you
guys
know,
is
an
engineer
by
trade
and
knows
these
things.
I
thought
she
made
a
very
good
strong
point
when
she
talked
about
the
fact
that
when
you
are
in
a
neighborhood,
where
you're
constantly
pumping
water
out
of
basements
to
keep
them
dry,
which
were
doing
in
our
neighborhood,
our
sump
pumps
run
all
the
time
mayor.
Karen
said
that
when
you
do
that
the
infrastructure
in
that
neighborhood,
the
life
expectancy
of
it
is
compromised,
stuff
falls
apart
faster.
M
M
The
other
point
I'll
make
real
quickly
here
and
the
other
thing
that
concerns
me
is
the
fact
that
this
is
a
private
development.
I
read
the
facts:
private
street
water
quality
ponds
that
are
private
located
within
private
drainage,
easements
water
main
will
remain
private
I,
just
read
private
private,
private
private.
So,
in
the
event
that
this
causes
us
more
problems,
since
this
is
a
private
development,
what
recourse
do
we
have
and
if
it's
private,
will
the
city
even
have
our
back?
M
If
there
are
more
problems
or
will
they
just
send
us
to
an
attorney
and
say
it's
private?
It's
not
our
issue.
I,
don't
know
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
I'm,
not
an
engineer
and
I'm,
not
a
hydrologist
I
just
know
that
we
have
a
water
problem.
Now,
that's
been
there
a
long
time
it
still
hasn't
been
fixed
and
we
just
want
some
sense
of
security
that
things
are
going
to
be
taken
care
of
and
be
better,
and
we
want
to
be
good.
Neighbors
and
we'd.
Welcome
this
development,
but
we're
scared
about
what
it
might
mean.
C
As
Mike
and
I
had
talked
yesterday,
and
he
brought
up
that
point-
that's
why
we
have
the
agreements
and
the
private
specifying
that
everything
is
private,
is
more
so
to
protect
the
city
that
we're
not
getting
that
it's,
not
our
maintenance
responsibilities
and
even
on
the
plat
we
have
on
there
that
we
will
not
take
over
Eastwood's
Drive
because
of
how
its
constructed
and
it
never
would
meet
our
standards
but
yeah
more.
We
still
do
have
the
ability
to
go
in
there
and
maintain
an
enforce
that
things
are
per
our
ordinance
when.
M
We
had
that
25
inch
snow
in
April
and
all
of
that
snow
melted.
My
in
my
backyard,
was
in
a
lake
and
I've
never
had
water.
Luckily
knock
on
wood,
I
haven't
had
water
get
into
my
home
yet,
but
it
starts
creeping
up,
my
backyard
toward
the
house
and
it
doesn't
go
anywhere
and
you
get
really
really
nervous
when
we
go
on
vacation.
Thank
God,
Jess
and
Sean.
M
Our
next-door
neighbors
check
our
sump
pump
because
it
runs
all
the
time
we
have
a
fully
finished
basement
if
it
fails
we're
losing
our
basement
and
there's
there's
just
a
lot
of
just
a
lot
of
water
up
there
and
I'll
make
one
last
quick
point
and
then
I'm
gonna
give
you
guys
a
copy
of
this.
This
is
why
we're
just
a
little
bit
skeptical
of
everything.
M
M
Unfortunately,
this
means
construction
will
not
start
until
next
summer.
The
city
is
working
with
an
engineering
consultant
on
the
pipeline
tile
design.
However,
this
project
entails
much
more
work
than
simply
installing
pipe.
We
need
to
identify
additional
work
to
grade
and
shape
the
existing
channel
to
accept
trapped
water
which
currently
doesn't
reach
the
channel.
The
drainage
plan
must
be
able
to
accommodate
other
storm
sewer
outfalls
within
the
area
and,
finally,
we
need
to
review
any
environmental
issues.
M
Ie
potential
wetland
impacts
which
the
project
may
have
he
says
with
that
said,
the
consultant
in
the
city
of
Watertown
will
work
together
to
define
the
scope
of
the
project,
complete
the
design
and
bid
the
project
this
winter
with
construction
to
follow
next
summer.
This
was
written
in
October
of
2015
and
nothing
has
been
done
and
now
we
have
this
project.
So
that's
why
I'm
here
and
I
just
hope.
You
folks
again
we're
not
anti
development.
M
We
want
to
be
good
neighbors,
but
if
this
project
is
built
before
you
give
it
a
thumbs
up,
recommendation
I
hope
that
you
gain
all
the
knowledge
you
have
and
before
you
give
that
recommendation,
you
can
do
it
with
confidence,
because
when
they're
talking
about
water
retention,
water
quality
ponds
for
a
two
year
event
and
we've
already
got
a
problem
there,
that
can't
seem
to
get
fixed,
we're
nervous.
Thank
you.
A.
J
M
M
It
would
probably
be
these
four
houses
so
really
probably
to
about
here
so
I
would
say
from
here
all
the
way
over
to
cherry
and
then
there's
a
culvert
here
again,
there's
a
house,
that's
under
construction
here
that
I
showed
you
Heilmann
is
building
here
he's
digging
now
and-
and
this
is
proposed,
all
of
this
water
is
designed,
as
you
can
see,
from
these
apartment
buildings
designed
to
flow
down
here,
the
water
from
all
these
houses
over
here
and
by
the
way
this
area
is
wet.
All
the
time
really.
C
M
No
elevation
change
there,
so
there's
and
like
I
said
in
this
area,
particularly
right
in
this
area.
Right
here,
you've
got
reeds,
cattails,
weeds
grasses
garbage
it's
a
great
collection
point
on
a
windy
day
with
this
open
lot
up
here.
When
you
get
a
strong
northwest,
wind
you've
got
garbage,
that's
blowing
and
it
all
gets
stuck
right
in
there
trash
and
it
looks
terrible
I
mean
it
just
looks
bad
and
Mike.
M
Do
but
it's
further
down
the
block
it's
way
down
by
where
Van
Dusen
lives
and
it's
way
down
on
the
corner?
What
would
that
be?
12Th
Avenue
buy
cherry
and
12th,
so
there
are
no
storm
drain.
There
are
some
over
here
once
you
get
around
the
curve
of
cherry,
but
in
our
immediate
neighborhood
right
in
here
there
are
none
so.
C
D
O
F
O
Water
can't
run
uphill
so
that
never
drains
so
the
water
that
has
been
sitting
there
probably
has
been
sitting
there
closely
I
mean
since
2013,
when
it
was
first
first
dug
and
now
you've
got
the
drainage
from
the
development
to
the
east
of
us
draining
into
that.
There's
a
manhole
in
this
lot
that
empty
lot
that
they're
building
right
now
that
they
were
approved
to
put
surface
drains
in
that
on
top
of
that
lot
and
then
connect
it
to
the
manhole,
which
then
drains
underneath
cherry
driving
into
that
swamp.
O
M
B
D
I
I
appreciate
everybody's
comments
regarding
the
drainage
issue.
That's
there.
The
question
I
think
we,
as
the
Planning
Commission,
have
to
address
and
in
the
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
is
whether
or
not
this
proposed
development
will
exacerbate
that
drainage
and
I
am
NOT
I'm,
not
an
engineer
I'm,
not
a
hydrologist
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
as
well
as
Mike,
and
so
all
we
can
do.
M
M
M
It's
not
the
city's
deal
and
we've
been
trying
to
work
with
the
city
on
a
solution
since
2015
we
haven't
gotten
it,
and
now
we've
got
this
building
project
that's
going
to
take
time,
but
so
we
three
I
would
assume
we
can't
go
to
the
city
if
it
makes
our
problem
worse.
What
happens
then?
I
don't
know,
and
that's
that's
the
question
and.
O
It's
so
hard
because,
like
for
me
I,
when
we
bought
that
lot,
it
was
flat.
I've
got
pictures
of
it.
Just
it
was
flat.
There
was
no
culverts,
there
was
no
water
in
there.
I've
got
little
kids
that
slide
down
that
hill
in
the
winter,
and
my
daughter
fell
off
her
sled
and
she
went
to
go,
stand
up
and
she
sunk
down
into
water
up
to
her
knees,
and
my
husband
had
to
pull
her
out.
O
M
The
people
that
have
been
living
up
there
and
dealing
with
this
for
years
and
not
getting
a
solution.
The
only
thing
we
see
going
on
up
there
is
more
building
and
more
construction
and
we're,
like
you
know,
we've
been
knocking
on
City
Hall's
door,
looking
for
answers
in
a
fixie
er
that
we
can't
get,
but
they
keep,
building
and
more
building
means
more
runoff
and
our
problems
just
never
get
fixed
and.
O
Then
that
whole
strip
they're
putting
surface
drains
in
that
final
lot
there
to
the
east
of
us
to
drain
that
whole
strip
that
whole
strip
floods
in
the
in
the
winter
in
the
spring
they
had
water
in
their
backyards.
So
guess,
where
all
that
water
is
gonna,
go
in
that
surface
drain
in
the
manhole
drains,
underneath
the
road
and
sits
in
the
swamp
behind
our
houses.
So
then,
here
in
the
plumbing
code,
it
says
that
stormwater
shall
flow
away
from
the
building
and
away
from
adjoining
property
and
shall
not
create
a
nuisance.
O
M
Not
the
actual
drainage
channel,
but
the
slope
leading
down
to
it
that
is
beyond
beyond
my
the
back
end
of
my
property
line.
I
have
to
mow
that
myself
because
they
can't
get
a
big
tractor
more
in
there
to
do
it.
They
would
have
to
drive
through
that
channel
to
get
to
that
portion
and
if
you
tried
to
drive
a
tractor
through
there,
it
gets
stuck
and
you'd
have
a
huge
mess
on
your
hands.
M
So
please
don't
interpret
this
as
us
trying
to
be
snobbish
anti-development,
that's
not
it
at
all.
We
just.
We
have
very
genuine
concerns
that
we
want
you
folks
to
be
receptive
of
and
again,
if
you're
gonna
give
this
a
thumbs
up
recommendation.
Please
ask
the
the
hard
questions
and
know
that
it's
not
gonna
make
our
problems
worse
and
I
guess
the
number
one
thing
for
me
is:
we've
already
got
a
problem,
and
the
plan
here
is
to
deal
with
a
two-year
event.
That
seems
that
seems
lame
to
me.
B
H
If
I
may,
just
for
the
the
citizens
information
and
for
the
discussion,
I've
got
a
couple
maps
on
here,
I
could
pull
up.
Just
for
you
know,
history.
This
area,
because
I
do
I,
do
think
it's
important
to
understand
how
historic
drainage
patterns
have
to
be
maintained
even
from
a
water
law
standpoint
from
the
state-
and
this
is
something
that
we've
expressed
as
well
to
the
citizens,
not
at
all
to
minimize
their
concerns
because
I
do
understand.
There
is
a
concern,
there's
standing
water
that
we're
trying
to
address
and
need
to
address.
H
But
with
that
being
said,
as
as
area
develops
and
teams
to
develop,
we
do
know
what
the
historic
drainage
patterns
are
and
those
historic
trading
patterns
have
to
be
preserved
and
continue
to
be
followed
completely
within
the
constraints
that
the
citizens
are
concerned
about.
But
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
flow
is
added
to
these
areas
are
within
the
capacity
of
this
channel.
So,
for
example,
here
the
map
that
I
have
up
this
is
an
aerial
from
2011
and
I.
H
I
think
we
all
remember:
2011
was
pretty
wet
and
in
a
drier
year,
although
you
don't
see
standing
water,
you
can
still
see
that
there
is
indications
of
the
low
spot
where
the
conveyance
of
the
water
during
the
wet
years
would
convey
to
and
through
we
go
now
to
our
aerial
back
even
a
little
further.
This
is
mm.
It's
almost
almost
20
years
ago.
H
G
F
H
More
or
less
a
ridge
here
the
elevation
is
lower
through
here
than
it
is
at
some
point
downstream,
doesn't
allow
the
water
to
flow
into
the
main
channel.
So
what
we're
trying
to
design
and
configure
is
a
way
to
get
positive
drainage
from
this
outlet
point
through
these
backyards
and
down
some
point
further
downstream.
So
we
can
obtain
that
positive
drainage
that
we
know
always
needed
and
that
the
citizens
are
concerned
about.
H
That
is
our
primary
goal
that
we're
working
on
addressing
I
can't
speak
to
the
the
past
promises
and
projects
and
funding
I'm
not
familiar
with
them.
I
do
know
what's
on
our
desk
in
front
of
us
today,
and
that
we
are
working
on
this
and
have
committed
to
make
things
happen
and
see
some
improvements
in
this
area
for
the
residents,
because
what
we
do
understand
their
concerns.
B
H
The
area
this
small
area
here
is
the
under
the
National
wetlands
inventory
that
is
also
part
of
this
area.
That's
of
concern
and
I,
don't
know
how
or
if
that
was
mitigated
or
addressed
in
the
past.
I
can't
speak
to
that
either,
but
I
do
know
that,
with
that
being
on
the
National
wetlands
inventory
and
based
on
the
past
aerial
photography
that
we
have,
we
do
know
that
this
was
a
historic
drainage
pattern
and
a
place
where,
in
the
past,
water
was
present.
H
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
wanted
to
continue
to
be
today,
okay,
because
of
the
issues
that
these
citizens
have,
and
it
is
something
we're
trying
to
mitigate
so
I
just
wanted
to
walk
through
that.
A
little
bit
of
history
there
for
everybody's
sake,
for
the
sake
of
discussion
and
I'll,
let
Colin
and
Colin's
take
over
the
the
hydrology
reports
and
what
information
they
have
for
us
on
that
and.
N
I
just
want
to
speak
on
the
history
a
little
bit
just
kind
of
coming
in
late
to
this
I
wasn't
around
in
2015
real
quick
on
the
wetland
inventory,
that's
actually
from
the
90s
when
they
actually
I
think
it
was
from
the
mid
90s
and
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research
previously
on
that.
So
it's
not
something.
That's
new!
N
That
wetlands
been
delineated
for
a
long
time,
so
that
kind
of
hits
a
little
bit
on
Heath
Heath
point
saying
that
you
know
there
is
history
there
to
speak
on
prior
projects
in
2015
and
and
kind
of
the
funding
is
yes.
We've
we've
had
some
money
set
aside
for
a
couple
years
now
and
we
did
actually
have
a
consultant
working
on
this.
N
They
came
up
with
the
plan
we
met
with
them
and
they
gave
us
a
fee
that
was
seemed
extraordinarily
high
for
an
area
like
this,
which
would
have
eaten
a
lot
of
our
budget,
so
that
would
not
have
left
very
much
budget
to
do
any
of
the
actual
construction
projects.
So
we
decided
to
take
a
in-house
the
design
and
forego
the
consultant
fees,
and
that's
where
we're
at
today
since
I've
been
here
I
guess
it's
kind
of
changed
direction
a
little
bit,
but
since
Heath
has
started,
we
have
taken
the
in-house.
N
We
do
have
a
staff
preliminary
design
that
we
made
some
comments
on
just
last
week,
so
we're
not
ready
to
even
present
anything
just
because
we
didn't
find
it
ready
at
all.
We
still
have
a
lot
more
work
to
do
on
that,
but
that
just
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
the
background
because
we
do
have
money
set
aside
for
some
of
this
remedy.
I'll
call
it
but
and.
D
Again,
I,
don't
I
don't
mean
to
be
discounting
all
this
I
think
what's
before
us
is
the
request
to
approve
the
development
plat
it
and
the
question
that
was
brought
up.
You
know
why
a
two-year
and
if
that's
the
requirement,
maybe
you
could
address
that.
The
other
question
is
well.
The
drainage
that
currently
comes
off
this
property
be
exacerbated
by
the
development
into
the
drainage
ditch
more
than
it
is
today,
because
if
the
answer
is
no,
then
the
issue
isn't
so
much
this
development
in
front
of
us.
D
The
issue
is
more
an
issue
of
the
landowners
meeting
with
engineering
staff
and
City
Council
to
address
that
and
I'm
not
trying
to
discount
what
Mike
and
everybody
is
saying
but
I
think
we're
getting
down
a
rabbit
hole
from
the
perspective
that
the
question
is
is
just
gonna
make
the
drainage
worse.
If
the
answer
is
no
I'm
ready
to
move
on,
if
the
answer
is
we're
not
sure,
then
I
think
we
need
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
time.
Looking
at
that
before
it
gets
pressed
on.
That's
that's
where
I'm
at
everybody
and
I
know.
N
B
And
here
again,
I
want
to
understand
what
the
release
flows
are,
even
in
those
major
events
to
that
east-west
tributary
versus
the
West
tributary
that
doesn't
face
this
issue
and
understand
if
there's
a
difference
from
the
current
state
of
the
the
bare
ground
versus
post
development.
I
think
that's
the
key
for
for
me.
P
P
P
B
P
E
N
K
If
you
have
a
little
bit
of
discussion
before
you
vote,
one
thing
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
by
the
staff
is
that,
although
the
pond
and
the
entire
private
development
is
occurring
on
their
own
property,
there's
up
to
four
feet
of
fill
placed
on
the
city
property.
To
make
this
happen,
so
it
does
extend
pretty
far
beyond
the
boundary
of
the
property
grading,
just
adding
fill
and
that's
in
that
vicinity
where
we're
trying
to
mitigate
the
other
pond.
Okay,.
D
P
P
H
Mr.
chair,
if
I
mean
yes,
sir,
just
add
some
clarity
to
the
mayor's
comments.
This
is
something
to
that.
We
have
been
discussing
with
Roger
foot
and
Colin
DeYoung.
We
want
to
coordinate
and
make
sure
that
the
any
realignments
regrading
of
that
the
the
channel
in
question
tonight
and
any
grading
on
to
city
property
that
the
developer
would
be
doing
that
they.
H
We
obviously
want
those
to
be
cohesive
with
one
another
and
mesh
well,
and
that
is
something
that
we
have
to
get
iron
out
with
that
final
design
of
our
work,
but
we're
fairly
confident
looking
at
these
gradual
slopes
that
Collins
included
here.
That
gives
us
some
level
of
comfort.
Knowing
we've
got
some
room
to
work
with.
This
is
roughly
a
ten
to
one
slope.
I
believe
that's,
it's
very,
very
gradual
slope
for
a
slope
to
be
considered
maintainable
or
mobile.
H
You
can
go
up
to
about
a
four
to
one,
and
so
this,
if
it
had
to
be,
could
be
pushed
back
in
in
a
little
steeper
manner
if
we
needed
to
to
accommodate
the
grading
that
we
want
to
do
with
the
City
project.
But
it's
definitely
something
we
will
be
coordinating
with
the
developers
engineer
to
make
sure
that
it
happens
and
is
done
right.
Do.
D
D
M
D
N
O
Okay,
so
being
in
the
backyard
of
my
house
that
culvert
up
there
on
the
north
side
that
they
put
in
that
will
fill,
but
it
will
flow
out
like
it's
supposed
to.
But
then
it
will
sit
in
that
channel
behind
our
houses
because
that
doesn't
drain
so
the
way
from
the
north
culvert
all
the
way
down
that
will
drain,
because
it's
sloped
nicely
down
I've
got
pictures
of
a
heavy
rain.
It
will
fill
and
by
the
next
morning,
it's
empty,
but
it
sits
in
that
culvert.
Behind
our
houses
down
by
the
park.
O
M
I
know
you
have
to
put
the
snow
somewhere,
but
given
the
issues
that
we
now
have
that
we're
trying
to
get
fixed,
that
is
the
worst
possible
place.
You
could
put
it
because
it's
going
to
drain
to
the
south
and
it's
going
to
drain
to
the
top
of
this
channel
and
through
here
unless
that
gets
fixed.
That
snow
is
going
to
melt.
G
M
B
I
think
I
think
we've
all
discussed
at
this
point.
What
we're
trying
to
make
here
is
is
that
we
want
to
improve
the
situation
and
not
make
it
worse
right
that
the
snow,
I
think
is
a
concern
and
putting
it
on
city
property
could
potentially
exacerbate
that.
We
may
want
to
look
at
not
allowing
that
from
a
city
perspective
until
we
fix
the
problem
that
exists
already
long
term.
That
probably
isn't
an
issue
if
we
address
the
drainage
concern,
I
agree.
D
Completely
and
so
I
will
make
an
amendment
to
my
initial
motion
is
still
to
approve,
take
into
the
consideration
the
degrading
and
to
restrict
the
storage
of
snow
on
city
property
in
the
southeast
corner
until
drainage
improvements
are
made.
That
will
not
be
exacerbated,
so
you
might
have
to
haul
snow
for
a
couple
years
again.
This
is
just
a
recommendation.
The
City
Council
has
final
authority
and.
D
L
If
there's
an
issue
in
the
private
that
the
homeowners
association
is
supposed
to
care
for,
what's
the
process
that
takes
place,
is
there
a
process,
a
timeline
notifications
that
take
place
before
the
city
actually
takes
action
in
this
private
area
that
these
people,
the
homeowners
association,
is
responsible
for?
Does
it
happen
the
next
day
I
can't
imagine
there
must
be
some
notification
process,
and
how
long
is
that
yeah.
H
Good
questions,
Commissioner
Ford
I,
could
speak
to
that
on
a
couple
different
levels
here:
the
the
primary
concerns
the
city
would
have
and
that
we
would
take
interest
in
performing
any
work
would
be
related
to
drainage.
These
detention
cells,
one
of
the
agreements
attached
to
the
documents
tonight
with
the
plaque
that
the
subsequent
to
this
action-
it's
you
don't
take
action
on
those
agreements,
but
they're
there
for
supplementary
information
for
the
council
to
take
action
on,
but
we
do
require
what's
called
a
BMP
maintenance
agreement.
I
develop
detention
ponds,
considered
a
best
management
practice.
H
That's
where
the
acronym
BMP
comes
from,
so
the
developers
required
to
maintain
those
detention
ponds
and
water
quality
ponds
to
a
certain
manner
so
that
they
function
well
and
continue
to
function
over
the
life
of
them.
If
we
find
that
they
are
not
functioning
well,
that
BMP
maintenance
agreement
gives
us
the
authority
to
enter
onto
their
property,
perform
that
maintenance
and
ensure
the
functionality
of
those
structures.
H
H
You
come
to
a
point
where
it's
so
distressed
that
if
there's
risk
for
emergency
responders
not
to
be
able
to
access
it,
that
the
road
won't
handle
the
loads
of
our
emergency
response
equipment,
the
trucks,
the
fire
trucks
and
or
if
the
roads
is
deemed
not
adequate
to
handle
the
loading
of
the
garbage
trucks
and
the
public
services.
We
provide
that
way.
H
We
would
require
and
expect
the
developer
or
the
homeowners
association
at
that
time
to
crack
those
concerns,
and
if
they
did
not,
we
would
likely
go
in
and
perform
those
services
as
well
and
and
charge
the
cost
back
to
the
Association.
Those
are
a
couple
of
primary
concerns
that
I
could
see
coming
up
within
here
that
that
both
the
development
agreement,
the
private
road
agreement,
maintenance
agreement
and
the
stormwater
BMPs
agreement
all
address
and
our
question.
H
There
is
always
anytime
anytime,
the
city
is
going
to
go
and
perform
work.
There
would
always
be
a
formal
notification
process
that
we
would
follow
and
give
an
appropriate
amount
of
time
at
that
amount
of
time
that
we
give
the
people
to
correct
his
situation
does
vary,
depends
on
the
circumstances
in
the
case,
but
we
would
give
a
deadline.
You
know
if
that
deadline
were
not
myth
is
when
we
would
go
in
and
act,
but.
G
D
L
D
H
In
Commissioner,
Ford
I
would
say
just
from
a
common
engineering
practice
and
safeguarding
of
the
general
public
and
the
housing
adjacent
to
these
drainage
structures.
If
there
were
imminent
danger
because
of
lack
of
maintenance
or
issues
like
that,
I
could
see
where
and
I'm,
not
speaking
for
the
attorney,
but
speaking
from
practicing
as
an
engineer
that,
where
that
would
be
a
normal
circumstance
where
we
would
come
in,
perform
emergency
corrective
measures
if
needed
and
proceed
that
way,
because.
C
A
L
Have
one
other
question:
under
the
stormwater
best
management,
best
management
practice
item
11
amendment?
It
says
that
if
the
city
adopts
a
form
of
BMP
development,
that's
less
restrictive
than
the
terms
of
this
agreement.
The
party
shall
amend
this
agreement
to
match
such
new
policies,
which
be
less
restrictive
that
also
hold
if
the
city
should
adopt
a
form
of
BMP,
that's
more
restrictive,
no.
M
C
L
F
B
C
I
C
I
H
H
It
may
even
roll
into
a
late
season.
Grading
project
as
well,
hopefully,
as
I've
indicated
to
the
citizens
through
email.
We
would
have
this
wrapped
up
late
fall
into
the
early
winter
months
as
far
as
a
completion
time
for
the
project
goes.
That,
of
course,
is
contingent
on
contractor
schedules
and
whoever
ends
up
getting
the
bid
for
the
work
and
their
ability
to
proceed
in
that
manner.
H
We've
been
running
up
against
on
other
projects,
some
bid
constraints
with
timing
and
availability
and
lack
of
bidders
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
we
hope
to
get
this
out
and
put
it
out
as
many
contractors
as
we
can
that
do
this
kind
of
work
and
hope
to
see
it
done
soon.
We
want
it
done
just
as
soon
as
the
citizens
do
and
we're
committed
to
continue
working
on
it
and
making
that
happen.
C
That
is
all
spelled
out,
as
we've
already
alluded
to
in
the
stormwater
BMPs
agreement
and
the
development
agreement.
So
there's
three
agreements
that
will
be
recorded
with
this
plat
and
that
spells
out
obligations,
requirements,
maintenance,
construction.
All
of
that,
the
plat
contains
three
point:
six,
six
acres,
where
point
zero:
nine
acres
is
dedicated
public
right-of-way
it'll
create
ten
Lots,
all
conforming
to
the
art
to
single-family
attached
residential
district.
The
drainage
will
be
contained
in
private
water
quality
ponds.
C
C
There
so,
as
far
as
the
what
I
need
to
amend
in
the
development
agreement,
which
we
don't
approve
here
today
anyway,
but
we're
going
to
keep
it
consistent
with
what
we
approved
for
Prairie
View
Edition,
which
is
just
to
the
east,
that
in
lieu
of
the
sidewalk
along
14th,
Avenue
north,
we
do
have
actually
a
recreational
trail.
So
we
will
have
them
grade
it
grade
that
area
to
what
the
REC
trail
would
be,
and
then,
at
the
time
that
the
that
is
extended,
that
they
would
be
assessed.
H
Association
or
a
brandy-
and
this
is
something
maybe
the
developer
can
speak
to-
were
they
also
willing
to
build
the
pathway
with
only
an
expensive
there's
being
for
what
a
5-foot
sidewalk
would
cost
I
wasn't
sure
in
the
discussions
I
thought.
Maybe
that
was
what
was
thrown
out.
Maybe
I
was
misinterpreting
that
I.