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Plan Commission Meeting - 07-23-2020
A
B
A
C
A
A
F
D
B
So
this
application
is
through
the
gamblers,
who
currently
own
it,
and
then
the
city
also,
as
the
other
side
of
the
alley,
did
sign
off
on
the
petition
after
council
approval,
the
council
wasn't
approving
the
vacation.
They
were
just
approving
the
mayor,
they're
authorizing
the
mayor
to
sign
to
bring
it
forward
because
when
you
do
a
vacation,
you
need
all
a
budding
landowners
to
sign
off
on
it
before
it
can
come
forward,
and
so
this
is
approximately
0.05
acres
that
will
be
vacated.
B
Access
will
not
be
restricted
by
this
vacation.
You'll
see
the
east-west
alley
the
20-foot
alley,
and
this
might
be
easier,
so
this
alley
will
remain
a
through
alley.
This
is
a
10
foot
alley
currently
and
then
it
will
remain
to
the
south
and
that's
20
feet
as
well.
There
are
some
garage
doors
and
then
there's
some
doors
on
the
back
side
of
these
buildings
to
leave
it
public.
D
B
C
C
B
C
A
D
B
D
B
C
B
Well
and
right
now:
half
how
a
vacation
works
is
then
half
of
the
right-of-way
half
goes.
They
go
back
to
the
parent
parcel,
so
it
would
be
split,
half
would
go
back
to
the
county.
Fair
banquet
hall
half
would
go
to
the
city.
We
are
in
discussions
with
if
the
city
and
I
the
city,
the
city
council,
have
to
determine
if
they
want
to
convey
their
half
to
the
property
owner
for
this
project.
F
B
A
C
Yep
and
then
just
to
be
clear
that
what
the
gamblers
are
planning
on
doing
on
the
on
the
east
side
is
going
to
be
something
that
would
benefit
or
be
in
conjunction
with
the
new
downtown
park.
So
I
think,
that's
you
know
and
we're
trying
to
work
with
infrastructure
and
things
like
that,
as
far
as
making
sure
the
walkability
and
bend
paths
and
stuff
like
that
would
also
correspond
to
this
improvement.
A
C
When
I
look
at
when
we
vacate
alleys,
I
look
at
if
they're
through
or
not
you
know
and
when
they're
already
not
through
I
mean
this
one
doesn't
go
all
the
way
through
north
and
south,
as
is,
I
feel
like
when
we're
vacating
we're
not
hindering
the
flow
of
traffic.
That
way
I
mean
that's
something
that
I
always
try
to
look
at
when
we
when
vacations
come
before
us.
So
that's
that's
just
one
thing
I
want
to
know.
A
C
G
B
Okay
2003,
so
they
brought
in
that
the
first
portion,
which
is
for
the
most
part
built
out
and
so
then
now
they're
moving
on
further
into
their
master
plan.
They
originally
had
they
have
a
master
plan
for
this
entire
area.
Now
they're
just
moving
farther
to
the
east,
to
free
up
some
additional
or
to
create
some
additional
lots.
B
So
basically,
what
makes
dakota
commons
different
and
unique
is
the
the
setbacks.
So
they
do
have
lesser
setbacks
because
they
they
form
a
cluster.
They
have
like
a
cluster
development
in
cul-de-sacs
and
then
they
have
open
space
with
recreational
trails
in
lieu
of
sidewalk
in
the
front
so
and
then
also
smaller
street
sections
to
keep
it.
B
You
know
that
controls
traffic
it
gives
the
neighborhood
feel,
which
I
think
is
what
a
lot
of
people
like
about
dakota
commons,
and
so
that's
basically
in
this
pud
plan,
what
they're
asking
for
in
annexation
zoning
and
then
they
still
once
this
would
be
done.
They
would
still
submit
a
preliminary
plan
which
then
we
would
look
at
all
of
the
technical
engineering
a
little
deeper.
But
this
was
the
route
that
we
wanted
to
take
when
we
were
reviewing
puds
so
that
we
knew
up
front
what
what
they
were
asking
for.
B
Yep
and
so
then
that-
and
we
have
you
know
on
we
for
the
pud
plan-
we
do
say
one
through
six-
the
things
that
they
need
to
show.
They
have
shown
all
of
that,
and
so
this
is
basically
the
pud
they're
creating
their
own
zoning
district.
And
so
then,
as
long
as
it's
a
benefit,
then
the
city
can
approve
what
they're
proposing
for
the
pud.
G
We've
got
some
new
construction
out
there.
We
have
some
new
interest,
more
activity
and
so
we're
enthused
about
that.
We
have
some
existing
street
that
currently
is
not
even
annexed
yet
into
the
city.
So
we
know
if
we
get
this
annexation,
we'll
be
able
to
list
and
sell
some
additional
lots
quickly
and
get
some
more
development
going
out
at
dakota
commons,
and
I
guess
with
that
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
along
with
me.
G
I
have
another
person
from
my
office
and
we
also
have
our
engineer
here,
so
I
think
we
got
the
team.
If,
if
there's
a
question
you
have
I'm
sure
we
have
the
answer
so
glad
to
be
here
and
and
looking
forward
to
proceeding
with
hope
asking
for
a
favorable
vote
on
both
the
annexation
and
the
pud.
That's
a
critical
part
of
this
is
that
pud
designation.
G
A
A
G
I
actually
can't
answer
that
question
why
the
annexation-
and
it
actually
was
a
surprise
to
us.
We
were.
We
came
to
plat
additional
lots
and
we're
alerted
to
the
fact
that
we
needed
to
annex
the
property
first,
and
so
maybe
the
the
cart
got
a
little
ahead
of
the
horse,
and
I
don't
know
how
that
happened
for
sure,
but
the
most
recent
road
construction
out
there,
I
think,
was
in
2014.
okay.
G
A
Yeah
it
does,
I
guess
in
either
case
the
way
that
it
looks
now
with
the
section
that's
being
proposed
for
annexation
and
zoning.
It
will
have
a
nice
cut
off
from
a
development
standpoint,
although
it
does
look
like
it
goes
partially
through
a
couple
of
the
lots
on
the
southern
side
there,
but
otherwise
it's
a
pretty
clean
transition.
B
Yeah,
because
if
you
guys
remember
too,
we
just
recently
had
dakota
common
seventh
edition,
and
then
that
was
because
they
still
had
two
lots
that
were
completely
annexed,
that
they
could
plat
and
then
but
then
see.
Then
they
have
that
cut
off
again
and
it's
just
how
it
lays
out.
With
I
mean,
do
we
jog
the
annexation
zoning,
or
do
we
just
wait
on
the
flat
so.
A
G
Thank
you,
and
most
likely
development
would
be
that
those
next
couple
of
cul-de-sacs.
I
think
the
one
is
identified
as
big
stone
circle,
probably
an
extension
of
lewis
and
clark
trail
and
then
a
connection
with
parkview
trail
and
that
smaller
cul-de-sac
to
the
north
there
that
I
can't
read
the
name
of
right
now,
but
they
all
have
south
dakota
park
names.
F
F
D
B
F
B
Yep
and
then
to
I
mean
the
main
points
to
really
look
into
as
far
as
what
they're
asking
for
the
zoning
is,
they
they
gave
a
nice
summary
of
what
dakota
commons
is
and
what
they're
asking
for.
As
far
as
the
zoning
goes,
so
it's
the
the
setbacks
and
then
they
are
somewhat
in
as
far
as
the
street
section,
except
we
still,
I
mean,
there's
still
that
that
more
so
comes
during
prelim
plan.
D
That
approved
with
the
zoning
or
with
the
preliminary
plan
and
the
lot
layout
I
mean
the
theoretically.
They
didn't
need
to
show
that
on
the
p
on
the
zoning,
the
the
plan,
but
they
have,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
what
they're
approving
what
the
plan
commission
is
approving
is
not
necessarily
approving
the
lot
layout.
That
comes
with
the
preliminary
plan
and
the
management
of
the
drainage,
just
in
general,
the
traffic
that
those
things
are
to
be
shown
and
they've
shown
a
lot
of
detail
here,
probably
more
than
they
had
to.
B
B
A
C
A
C
G
C
A
B
B
So,
instead
of
you
guys
seeing
it
at
the
preliminary
plan
phase,
which
the
developer
has
already
incurred,
a
lot
of
cost
and
has-
and
it's
kind
of
been
determined
on
where
things
are
going
as
far
as
their
infrastructure
streets
lot
layout
detention
ponds
everything.
So
we
wanted
to
get
in
front
of
the
public
as
soon
as
we
could.
If
things
needed
to
change
to
help,
you
know
the
public
can
have
a
little
more
input
and
then
also
the
developer
isn't
misled
by
staff.
B
Because
right
now
we
approve
we
have
the
drt,
which
is
the
design
review
team,
and
that
is
with
a
combination
of
staff
and
that
so
then
we
give
that
a
rubber
stamp
approval,
and
then
they
move
on
to
the
preliminary
plan,
which
then
is
also
vetted
again
through
the
drt
and
then
inevitably
brought
to
the
plan.
Commission
and
then
city
council
doesn't
see
any
of
that
until
it
gets
to
a
rezone
most
likely
or
a
plat.
B
But
so
it's
just
kind
of.
We
want
to
get
eyes
on
it
earlier
on
in
the
process,
and
so
then
that's
what
this
is
explaining
on.
Who
is
seeing
the
concept
plan?
Who
is
approving
it?
What
the
what
the
effective
period
for
the
concept
plan?
What
that
looks
like
and
then
for
the
preliminary
plan,
then
that
would
be
reviewed
just
through
staff
and
the
drt
team,
the
design
review
team
and
then
so.
It
would
be
that
step.
B
They'd
have
the
prelim
plan
and
then,
as
far
as
then,
if
they
were
ready
to
do
a
rezone
or
a
plat,
but
the
con
it
would
be.
It
would
be
in
conformance
to
what
was
approved
by
the
plan
commission
for
the
concept
plan,
and
then
they
would
just
take
a
deeper
step
into
all
the
technical
engineering
that
would
need
to
take
place.
B
B
Then
then,
when
they're
ready
to
construct,
they
would
submit
whatever
phase
they
were
working
on.
Oh
and
actually
that's
a
big
part
of
it
too.
So
the
concept,
the
concept
plan
will
be
the
entire
area
say
they
own
a
quarter,
section
they'll,
conceptually
plan
where
everything
will
go
and
then
they'll
show
their
phasing
on
there
and
then,
when
they're
ready
for
each
phase,
because
the
preliminary
plan
is
only
good
for
three
years,
they
will
prelim
plan
their
phase.
So
then,
we'll
take
it
section
by
section
and
it
you
know.
B
You
guys
on
looking
at
a
whole
quarter
section
at
one
time,
except
we
except
we
will
in
the
concept
plan,
but
that'll
all
be
conceptually
laid
out
and
you
can
see
what
needs
to
be
shown
at
that
phase
and
then
so
then,
the
construction
plans
that
would
come
forward
we'd
we'd
enter
into
a
development
agreement
with
them
and
then
that
would
they
get.
They
have
two
years
to
install
the
infrastructure
for
the
phase
that
they're
working
on
and
then
that
that
comes
in
conjunction
with
the
plat.
B
F
We
would
dive
deeper
we'd
require
the
developer's
engineer
to
dive
deeper
on
those
components
that
would
then
be
technically
designed
for
construction
and
that's
where
we
would
have
the
detailed
drainage
reports,
the
detailed
street
sections,
the
the
final
lot
layout,
the
final
street
configurations
and
things
of
that
nature.
That
would
come
at
that.
F
Prelim
plan
phase
on
a
per
phase
basis
of
the
overall
development,
and
that's
that's
generally
what
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
and
to
shift
the
heavy
lifting
the
heavier
expense
a
little
later
in
the
process
than
up
front
at
the
conceptual
end
of
things.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps.
Recap
randy
summary
a
little
bit
for
everybody,
but
yeah
a.
F
The
so,
as
far
as
the
street
section
goes,
the
tactical
thickness
of
asphalt
or
concrete,
paving
and
the
thickness
of
the
base
course
and
the
width
of
the
street
and
things
like
that.
Those
are
all
outlined
in
the
engineering
design
standards
and
in
the
engineering
design
standards.
The
form
of
recourse
for
appeal
is
actually
through
the
city
engineer
now,
if,
if
which
is
myself,
if
I
were
to
make
a
determination
that
the
the
applicant
wasn't
in
favor
of
or
had
an
issue
with,
we
generally
don't
entertain
many
variances
from
engineering
design
standards.
F
I'll,
say
that,
first
and
foremost,
it's
an
oddity
to
to
grant
a
variance.
It's
got
to
be
a
really
unique
circumstance
or
a
special
situation,
because
our
design
standards
do
have
minimums.
Essentially
it's
not
an
exact.
It
shall
be
built
this
way,
but
more
of
a
this
is
the
minimum
that
should
be
built
too,
and
so
it's
easy
to
meet
those
in
most
any
situation
for
a
developer,
and
so
that's
why
we
don't
generally
end
up
having
to
entertain
variances.
F
F
Now,
if
there
were
a
pressing
issue
that
the
city
engineer
felt
whether
whether
it's
myself
or
future
cities
would
feel
that
you
know
there's
a
concept
where
we
miss
the
mark
on
our
design
standards.
Those
of
course,
will
go
forward
to
council
who's
adopted
the
engineering
design
standards.
We'd
have
a
more
higher
level
discussion
on
the
concept
behind
that
regulation,
whether
it
should
be
amended
in
the
design,
standards
and
proceed
in
that
manner.
A
A
Yeah
I'm
asking:
where
would
that
approval
come
from
because
we
have
had
you
know,
proposals
that
that
wanted
to
use
swales
instead
of
curb
and
gutter
structures.
So
typically,
we
would
have
reviewed
that
at
the
the
commission
level,
and
so
the
question
is,
is:
is
that
part
of
the
concept
planning
phase
or
is
that
something
that
is
administratively
done
then,
with
this
change.
F
You
know
that
level
of
detail
whether
they're
showing
you
what
you're
talking
about
mr
chairman,
is
the
difference
between
what's
called
a
rural
street
section
or
an
urban
street
section,
and
if
a
rural
street
section
were
to
be
presented,
I
guess
brandy
in
that
concept
phase
I
would.
I
would
think
we
could
have
that
as
a
requirement
to
that
concept,
level
to
at
least
note
and
show
conceptually
whether
they're
presenting
rural
street
sections
or
urban
street
sections.
That's
one
way
that
that
issue
could
be
addressed.
D
D
It's
just
that
that
went
through
administratively
and
then
the
heavy
detail
came
to
the
plan.
Commission.
So
what's
different
is
still
concept.
Plan
is
still
a
concept,
but
that
comes
to
you
and
then
it's
done
before.
They've
invested
all
the
money
in
the
engineering
for
the
preliminary
plan,
where
they
work
out
the
the
exact
details,
and
then
none
of
that
goes
to
the
council.
Only
the
plat.
So
that's
been
a
question.
I've
received
many
many
times
from
council
members.
When
do
we
get
to
see
this?
When
do
we
get
to
see
this?
Oh
you
don't.
D
You
know
it's
all
approved
by
the
plant
commission
at
the
preliminary
plan
stage
right
now,
so
the
heavy
lifting
is
done
by
the
plant
commission,
so
this
shifts
the
heavy
lifting
to
the
staff
which
takes
it
out
of
the
public
realm.
There's
only
one
public
hearing,
it
happens
at
the
concept
plan,
I'm
assuming
yep
it
right
now,
the
way
it's
written.
It
happens
at
the
preliminary
plan
and
that's
where
all
the
details
are
known.
So
you
are
taking
it
out
of
the
public
eye
you're
just
approving.
D
D
C
D
No,
that's
usually
I
mean
it
might,
but
the
the
lately
they
haven't.
I
mean
we
used
to
write
them
that
way,
38-foot
road
with
three
inches
of
asphalt,
and
I
mean
we
can
continue
to
do
that
if,
if
that's
what's
desired,
but
that's
if
we
have
a
design
standard,
it
would
probably
just
say
road
in
conformance
with
design
standards
and
then
the
construction
plan
approval
is
where
the
staff
checks
off
that
they've
met.
All
of
that.
So,
with
the
the
question
really
is
what
happens
with
variances.
D
So
how?
Because
those
are
administratively
approved
by
in
our
design
standards
right
now-
and
there
was
not
a
great
deal
of
discussion
about
that
when
the
design
standards
were
approved,
and
I
I
think
that
the
plan
commission
saw
the
design
standards
before
the
council
right
or
did
that
go
straight
to
council.
D
A
D
A
B
Like
yeah,
I
like
that
idea
too,
and
then
two
also
when
the
plot
would
come
forward,
you
guys
would
see
the
development
agreement,
even
though
you
don't
act
on
it.
City
council
does,
but
you
could
make
comment
on
it
and
then
that
is
where
to
if
there
was
a
variance,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
just
up
front
having
that
as
a
requirement.
If
there's
any
variance
and
then
I
guess
just.
A
B
So
that
would
be
in
conformance
with
our
engineering
design
standards
and
then,
if
they
were
asking
for
a
variance
of
some
sort,
it
would
be
explained
in
there
and
then
we
would
disclose
that
as
staff-
and
I
mean
and
like
heath
had
said
to
you.
If
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
changed
or
needs
to
be
added.
That
will
probably
come
before
the
council
to
make
that
decision
before
he'd
grant
a
variance.
F
What
the
street
section
looks
like
you
know
the
paving
thickness,
the
sidewalk
with
the
street
width
and
the
sanitary
sewer
alignment
and
all
those
things
that
go
into
the
public
improvements,
so
really
the
development
agreement
referencing.
The
construction
plans
is
approved
by
the
city.
Engineer
is
what
we're
trying
to
get
to,
because
what
we
found
in
the
past
is
we've
got
plans
that
that
may
or
may
not
been
formally
processed
or
approved.
F
A
A
I
prefer
to
see
the
development
agreements
written
in
that
way
where
it
specifies
that
it's
to
the
design
standards,
because
if
it's
written
the
other
way
where
it
says
you
know,
34
foot
wide
roads
and
three
foot
wide
sidewalks.
I
don't
necessarily
know
by
reading
that
that
doesn't
conform
to
that
design
standard
or
not.
And
what
are
you
approving
yeah?
So
I
think
that's
good.
E
This
is
great
heath
that,
because
the
job
you
do,
but
what
do
we?
What
are
we
opening
up
to
a
future
city
engineer
who
may
not
be
as
dedicated
may
have
favors
to
do
just
we're
opening
this
up
for
future?
So
I
think
that
monitoring
what
we
documenting
the
change,
the
the
variances
that
we
would
be
allowing
is
very,
is
crucial.
It's
that
this
group
of
people
20
years
from
now
knows
you
know,
because
you're
not
always
going
to
be
in
that
driver's
seat.
E
E
You
know
what
I'm
saying
so
I
think,
having
this
group
of
people
20
years
from
now
also
still
getting
those
you
know
they
did
make
this
change.
They
allowed
this.
They
allowed
that
because
I
think
every
parcel
that
comes
in
is
a
unique
situation.
I
mean,
I
don't
think
we
you
know
they're,
not
all
cookie
cutters,
we
get
that
and
then
the
other
thing
would
be
the
consistency.
The
things
we
do
want
to
stay
consistent
throughout
the
city
you
know
do.
Is
there
just
certain
things
that
aren't
going
to
be
varianced?
E
F
Yeah
no,
those
are
those
are
great
comments,
commissioner,
and
I
appreciate
the
accolades
too
by
the
way
so,
but
to
that
point
you're
exactly
right.
There
are
certain
components:
those
engineering
design
standards
that
are
more
of
a
more
of
a
conceptual
or
kind
of
a
theory
based
how
we
want
our
community
to
look.
You
know:
do
we
want
to
have
rural
street
sections
anywhere
in
this
town?
F
So
there's
some
of
those
that
are
more
of
a
conceptual
based
consideration
for
variants.
The
other
ones
that
typically
wouldn't
come
forward.
Are
things
like
where
a
consultant
engineer
may
redesign
a
street
section
so
that
they
want
instead
of
the
minimum
of
eight
foot
or
excuse
me,
eight
inch
concrete,
paving
over
12
inches
of
base
course
they
add
another
inch
to
the
paving
and
subtract
a
couple
inches
from
the
base
course
or
there's.
F
F
E
C
Our
most
recent
preliminary
plan
that
we
approved
was
out
at
stony
point.
It
was
just
for
the
location
of
the
road
and
that
included
a
rural
section.
So
when
that
comes
to
us
as
a
plat,
and
that
plaque
goes
to
the
council
and
the
council
knows
that
that's
a
rural
section,
then
don't
they
enter
the
current
process
or
or
I
mean
because
that
wouldn't
that
be
spelled
out
not
necessarily.
D
Now
if
the
road
was
going
to
be
a
public
road
and
they
didn't
want
to
build
that
before
they
planted
like
pretty
much,
everybody
doesn't
want
to
build
it
before
they
plant.
They
want
to
promise
to
build
it.
If
you
give
me
a
plat,
that's
that's
our
development
agreement,
so
the
development
agreement
has
to
be
approved
by
the
council,
but
the
plaque
can
be
administratively
approved.
C
D
Well
and
they
they
could
not
approve
the
development
agreement
that
that's
how
it
would
happen,
but
if
they
built
that
road
in
advance
and
asked
for
approval
of
the
plat
administratively
and
the
city
engineer
agreed
that
would
not
be
seen
by
the
city
council
ever.
That
would
never
be
seen
again
by
anybody,
but
the
city
engineer.
Theoretically
now
that
probably
wouldn't
happen,
but
that's
like
what
rhonda
was
referring
to.
If
you
had
a
person
that
was
being
pressured,
there's
there's
no
public
body
approving
those
things.
D
If,
if
you
can
find
ways-
and
it's
legal-
that's
not
an
illegal
thing
to
do
so.
What
our
ordinance
says
is
you
have
to
build
the
public
improvements
before
you
complat,
that's
the
basic
premise
or
you
get
a
promise
to
build
those
things
later
and
if
you
promise
to
build
it
later,
that's
a
that's
a
development
agreement
that
has
to
be
approved
by
the
council.
But
if
someone
came
in
and
built
the
roads
that
the
plan
commission
approved,
they
they
don't
have
to
go
to
the
council.
B
If
they
were
for
a
starting
point,
for
example,
if
they
were
planning
it
as
right-of-way
or
if
they
were
even
constructing
it
as
a
private
street,
though
construction
plans
would
have
to
be
approved,
most
likely
they're
going
to
have
public
infrastructure
that
you
know
for
sanitary
sewer,
water,
so
we'd
have
to
have
a
development
agreement.
That
council
would
then
have
to
approve
the
actual
lots
themselves
are
already
planted,
and
so
that
would
just
be
the
access.
F
To
take
on
to
that
point
of
the
rural
urban
street
section,
that's
one
example
where
I
know
offhand
that
our
design
standards
could
be
buckled
down
a
little
bit
right
now.
We
we
offer
both
options
of
urban
street
sections
and
we
get
the
criteria,
how
they
are
to
be
designed
and
the
standards
they
need
to
meet,
but
there's
also
an
option
in
the
engineering
design
standards
to
design
and
construct
rural
street
sections.
What
I've
seen
in
other
communities
is
the
use
of
those
rural
street
sections
are
honed
into
specific
zoning
districts.
F
F
Some
examples
would
be
like
a
rural
residential
zoning
district
where
you
have
a
minimum.
Five
acre
lots
and
things
like
that,
where
you
commonly
would
see
a
rural
street
section
with
ditches
or
another
example
that
came
up
recently,
of
course
out
by
the
lake.
If
our
new
ciel
district
were
an
appropriate
district
because
most
all
the
streets,
a
lot
of
the
streets
out,
there
are
rural
street
sections
and
maybe
doesn't
you
know
as
long
as
it
can
be
constructed
and
function.
F
The
stormwater
conveyance
is
the
biggest
impact
when
you
go
from
one
or
the
other,
and
you
have
to
simply
account
for
that,
no
matter
which
design
you
go
with,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
those
engineering
design
standards
in
our
zoning
ordinance.
We
can
continue
to
you
know,
customize
those
to
suit
our
community.
A
F
A
D
So
our
ordinance-
and
this
has
been
in
place
for
many
years-
and
it
really
isn't
used
all
that
often
we
have
minor
plats
which
don't
have
any
infrastructure
and
those
can
be
approved
administratively,
but
also
once
the
preliminary
plan
is
approved
by
the
plan.
Commission
plats,
even
with
public
improvements
like
roads
and
utilities,
can
be
administratively
approved,
with
without
your
approval,
without
the
council
approval
with
simply
just
the
city
engineers
approval,
but
that's
that's
only
within
the
three-year
period
that
the
preliminary
plan
is
valid
and
it
has
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
preliminary
plan.
D
D
D
Just
to
change
it,
if
the
plan
commission
doesn't
like
it
so
we've
moved
the
approval
from
the
preliminary
plan
up
to
the
concept
plan
and
pretty
much.
Everything
else
is
the
same,
but
your
your
points
are
very
well
taken
and
incorporate
those
approval
of
variances,
because
we've
already
adopted
design
standards
and
you're
going
to
assume
it's
all
in
compliance
with
our
design
standards
unless
they've
disclosed
that
it
is
not.
A
Conditional
use
or
the
sort
of
adjustment
variance
process
where
we
very
clearly
spell
out
what
the
you
know
proposed.
Variances
are
you
know
something
like
that
during
the
the
concept
phase,
where,
if
they
are
going
to
request
a
variance,
it's
just
bulleted
out
what
those
are
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
bring
that
into
the
the
public
hearing.
Certainly
the
board's
not
going
to
have
a
lot
of
opinion
on
the
highly
technical
stuff,
but
some
of
the
other
community
conceptual
stuff
is
is
definitely
appropriate.
B
Yeah
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
too,
the
mayor
had
alluded
to
the
minor
plots
so
they're
allowed
only
if
they
meet
all
of
these
requirements,
so
they
are
actually
they're
pretty
hard
to
accomplish
so
a
lot
of
the
times.
It's
still
having
to
go.
It's
not
subdivision,
or
it's
not
exempt
from
the
subdivision
process,
which
then
there
would
be
some
public
input
plan.
Commission
approval
and
whatnot.
B
All
right
so
then
we,
I
think
we're
gonna
have
some
internal
meetings
as
well
with
staff
and
then
potentially,
I
did
put
a
public
notice
out
that
it
would
be
on
for
action
on
august
6th.
It
might
be
pushed
back.
What
not,
but
I
just
wanted
to
at
least
get
your
eyes
on
it,
so
you
could
digest
it
and
then
ask
any
questions
that
you
have
and
then
be
fully
prepared.