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Plan Commission Meeting - 11-05-2020
A
C
A
B
I
am
going
to
make
one
change
to
the
agenda.
We
are
going
to
strike
item
6c,
which,
on
your
agendas
that
were
sent
out-
you
don't
have
that.
So
you
can
see
up
here
this
item.
So
this
was
the
approval
of
the
proposed
20-point
rural
road
designed
to
support
local
commercial
traffic
of
2500
vehicles
per
day
or
less,
and
so
we
are
striking
that
the
preliminary
plan
was
approved
already
on
june
18th
by
the
plan
commission.
D
Yeah
I
can
expand
on
that
briefly
brandi.
The
we've
been
provided
more
information
from
the
applicant's
engineer
on
this
selected
street
section
that
they
proposed
back
at
the
preliminary
plan
phase,
so
we
feel
that
we
can
go
through
the
rest
of
the
construction
plan
review
with
this
additional
information.
D
The
reason
this
was
placed
on
the
agenda
was
concern
for
a
potential
need
for
variance
in
the
street
width.
We
don't
know
whether
that's
absolutely
necessary
or
not
until
we
review
the
additional
information
we've
received
from
their
engineer.
So
we
will
review
that
information
if
there
is
a
still
a
need
for
variance
in
the
street
with
the
city
engineer,
has
the
ability,
energy
design
standards
to
issue
such
variants,
but
based
on
previous
board
discussions
knowing
full
well,
the
board
might
have
interest
in
any
variances.
A
F
A
B
B
So
what
we're
doing
today
is
the
applicant
scott
munger,
with
west
side
con
oh
gosh,
midwest,
condos,
no,
okay,
all
right,
it's
just
scott
monger
and
so
he's
asking
to
for
the
allowance
of
single-family
residences
in
units
15,
16
and
17,
which
are
located
in
the
southernmost
building,
and
this
is
a
new
new
construction.
We
permitted
it
this
summer,
I'll
pull
up
that,
so
you
guys
can.
B
So
they'll
have
doors
to
the
south
side,
so
they
will
not
be
entering
through
the
garages,
so
it'll
be
it'll,
be
protected
for
life,
life
safety
and
also
so.
These
are
adjacent.
This
pud
is
adjacent
to
our
one
single
family
residential
district,
so
which
this
that's.
What
he's
asking
for
here
and
everything
so
the
the
units
themselves
are
going
to
be
28
by
56
with
16
foot
sidewalls,
which
are
which
still
meet
what
an
attached
garage
in
the
r1
district
would
be.
B
E
B
Actually,
the
the
garage
doors
will
open
to
the
north
yeah,
but
then
they
will
so
there
will
be
a
door
and
scott
did
provide
me
some
drawings
that
I
can
pull
up
if
necessary.
So
the
garage
doors
will
be
here
if
you
can
see
that
with
the
gate
with
a
door,
and
then
this
will
be
a
garage.
Let
me
just
pull
those
up.
That
might
be
helpful.
E
C
E
B
B
E
A
B
Correct
and
they
clarify
that,
and
they
have
amended
their
covenants.
So
then
it
does
specify
that
it
is
just
those
three
units
in
that
most
southern
building
and
then
the
rest
of
them
will
remain
personal
storage
facilities
and
then
also
they
have
in
there,
where
it's
specific,
that
you
cannot
have
like
a
commercial
business
located
in
there
either.
C
So
this
is
ford,
so
we're
not
re-zoning
this
as
r1
it's
remaining
a
pod.
Is
that
correct,
yep,
and
so
I
get
I
I
I've,
not
I've
not
seen
this
come
before
the
board
before.
So
I'm
a
little
confused
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
designation
asking
for
this
I
mean
it
seems
like
it's
similar
to
what
we
just
handled
in
the
board
of
adjustment.
I
don't
understand
why
this
is
coming
to
the
plan
commission
and
why
it's
not
some
sort
of
of
conditional
use.
B
C
A
No
I'll
answer
that
one,
so
the
the
whole
purpose
behind
the
pud
zoning
district
is
to
allow
an
applicant
to
to
to
create
an
area
of
land
that
kind
of
has
its
own
rules.
So
every
pud
has
its
own
rules
and
this
one
was
done
back
in
2014,
partly
because
they
wanted
to
condo
plaid
it
out
and
that
what
that
did
at
that
time
is
they
created
individual
ownership
into
parcels
of
the
larger
shed
that
were
smaller
than
what
was
allowed
for
illegal
lot
size.
A
So
the
approval
of
this
pud
was
specific
to
this
area
of
land
and
it
allowed
for
the
storage
units
as
built.
There
are
other
puds
around
town
that
are
specifically
designed
for
residential
use,
can't
think
of
the
name
of
the
zoning
of
the
edition,
but
summer
wood
well
summer,
woods
one.
I
was
thinking
of
the
one
on
the
east
side
of
19th
street,
where
there
isn't
sidewalks
that
was
kind
of
one
of
the
or
the
sidewalks
are
behind
the
buildings
behind
the
houses
dakota
commons.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
dakota
commons
was
another
pud
and
that
that
that
was
a
you
know,
another
area
or
another
example.
Where
there
are
different
rules
that
are
specific
to
just
that
area,
northwood
northridge
edition
is
another
one
where
we
have
specific
side,
yard
setbacks
and
a
lot
size
setbacks
that
are
specific
just
to
that
area.
So,
whatever
amendments
we
make
or
we
approve
at
this
meeting
or
future
meetings
on
this
pud
will
only
be
resided
within
this
pud
itself.
C
G
A
H
It's
on
scott
munger
developer.
In
in
on
this
property,
I
mean
great
questions
and
number
one.
This
is
a
different
idea.
I
seem
to
be
a
glutton
for
punishment
that
I'm
the
one
who
likes
to
bring
new
fresh
ideas,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
this
is
an
idea
that
I'll
be
bringing
throughout
the
state
of
south
dakota.
It's
a
spin
on
track
housing,
it's
a
spin
on
town
homes
and
that
side
huge
demand
from
baby
boomers
from
single
individuals
from
contractors.
H
Looking
for
something
on
this
note,
but
if
you
read
through
the
covenants-
which
I
don't
know,
if
everybody
has,
we
tie
this
down
really
tight.
Could
there
be
children
potentially
in
this
area,
but
this
area
is
surrounded
by
ag
land
and
surrounded
by
r1,
and
that's
the
only
reason
I
thought
it
would
make
sense.
Puds
are
fully
custom,
so
this
is
something
we're
we're
asking.
I
wouldn't
put
this
in
a
commercial
zone.
I
agree
with
you
on
commercial
space.
H
It
doesn't
make
sense
and
this
if
this
is
moving
forward,
it
needs
to
be
in
in
the
right
areas
for
that
safety.
But
one
of
the
tie,
downs
and
number
four,
the
first
thing
is
said:
occupation
shall
not
be
by
more
than
four
people,
all
of
whom
must
be
related
by
the
first
degree
of
continuity,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
tie
that
down.
So
we
can
limit
some
of
that.
E
H
A
This
property
to
shed
a
little
bit
of
history
on
this
back
in
2014.
This
route
originally
came
proposed
to
us
as
a
c3
zoning
district.
To
do
these
storage
units
and
the
board
at
that
time
felt
that
they
didn't
want
commercial
in
what
was
a
residential
neighborhood
and
what
our
future
comprehensive
land
use
plan
had
designated
as
residential.
So
this
was
the
pud
was
designed
to
keep
it
as
residential
as
possible.
At
that
time,
you
know
allowing,
for
you
know,
storage
of
people's
individual
toys
boats.
You
know
rvs
that
sort
of
thing.
A
E
H
E
H
H
H
D
D
All
the
things
like
that,
the
ingress
and
egress
for
the
living
quarters
meets
the
building
code
requirements,
and
so
I
can.
I
just
wanted
to
point
all
that
out
and
let
you
know
that
we
did
check
all
that
off
at
a
staffing
level
and
it
did
meet
all
those
individual
requirements
as
we
walk
through
this
with
the
applicants
information
they
provided
so.
H
H
A
C
F
Here
so,
mr
chair,
this
is
bill
and
I'm
looking
at
the
the
county
records
here
and
it
looks
like
the
pud
extends
to
a
existing
west
side,
condominium
association,
just
north
of
this
request.
Here,
everybody
look
it's
a
separate
from
mr
monger.
It
looks
like
you're
separate
from
what's
already
established
to
the
north.
You
right.
F
C
F
H
G
A
In
a
fishing
rod,
when
this
property
was
annexed
and
zoned
and
planted,
it
was
plotted
with
three
lots
in
it.
That
was
the
original
plot,
and
the
third
lot
did
show
you
know
the
storage
of
you
know
the
retention
granite.
That's
because
that's
a
wetland
area,
so
I
mean
that
was
all
annex
and
zone
and,
like
mr
munger
said,
per
our
ordinance,
we
do
require
five
acres
of
land
to
be
considered
for
a
pud,
so
part
of
why
all
of
that
was
annexed.
A
B
A
Southwest
I
kind
of
like
to
touch
on
diana's
comment
of
of
doing
residential
units
above
storage
units.
I'm,
like
I
agree
with
her
that
that's
not
something
that
we
would
typically
want
to
do,
but
when
we're
doing
a
plan
unit
development
we're
doing
a
development
in
which
we
allow
the
developer
to
do
something,
that's
different
than
what
we
would
normally
allow
and
different
than
what
our
normal
rules
would
allow.
A
So,
in
a
case
like
this,
I
think
this
is
kind
of
a
perfect
area
where
we
would
try
something
new
and
see
how
it
works,
because
it's
this
isn't
something
where
we're
setting
a
precedent.
This
isn't
something
where
someone
else
with
storage
units
could
just
say
you
know
hey.
I
want
to
do
this
now.
This
is
a
designed
planned
unit
development.
It's
you
know.
H
H
So
no,
you
won't,
especially
if
they
have
to
go
back
and
retrofit
an
already
built
building
that
they're
not
building
new
and
if
they
build
new
you're
going
to
police
the
new
construction,
so
that
that
would
be
tough
plus,
as
you
just
proved,
it
doesn't
make
sense
in
commercial
areas.
100
percent
agree
with
that.
It
needs
to
be
specific,
but
I
will
tell
you
you
will
see
this
a
bunch
in
the
future
as
this
concept
grows.
It's
growing
tremendously
in
sioux
falls
area,
the
shouse
concept,
the
barn,
dominium
concept.
H
People
want
space
for
their
toys
and
there's
no
sense
in
wasting
money
and
not
living
there.
If
it.
If
you're
going
to
see
this
a
lot,
I'm
doing
it
as
a
track
house
instead
of
a
one-off,
because
it
makes
more
sense,
we're
thinking
about
the
next
ones.
We
do
have
common
areas,
I
have
have
an
area
for
people
to
go,
play
cards
and,
and
who
knows
where
we're
going
to
take
this?
H
But
it's
an
idea-
it's
not
just
us,
but
it's
an
idea
that
people
are
talking
about
not
a
second
jeff,
exactly
spot
on.
If
you
look
at
this,
we're
not
building
living
quarters
above
a
garage
we're
separating
living
quarters
from
the
garage
aspect,
the
garage
is
just
the
front
portion
of
this
there's
our
there's
firewalls
fully
separating
all
living
area
just
like
it
would
be
in
your
home.
G
H
Because
it
makes
sense
here
we're
in
r1,
we
have
family
all
over
out
there.
We
actually
have
family
events
in
this
deal.
Like
I
said
this,
this
you
area
is
treated
as
a
family
area.
People
have
very
extensive
man
caves.
These
are
not
storage
shops,
you
guys,
can
go
and
look
and
the
and
the
people
that
afford
these
they're,
not
storage
shops.
H
H
G
B
C
B
F
B
F
A
B
Yes,
thank
you
brink.
So
once
again
the
ordinance
amendment
to
chapter
2406,
which
is
the
subdivision
ordinance
amendment,
is
in
front
of
you
for
action.
Hopefully,
so
we
have
been
working
hard
and
I
appreciate
all
the
feedback
that
I've
received
from
the
plan,
commission
and
staff
and
also
from
engineers
and
developers
from
town
that
have
taken
the
time
to
to
provide
some
feedback.
So
what
we
have
in
front
of
you
is,
for
the
most
part,
all
inclusive.
B
That
thing
is
blocking
it:
what
a
pain,
okay,
so
concept,
plan,
240603
and
then
under
streets,
and
then
c.
If
we
strike
streets
and
just
say
the
right-of-way
widths,
because
they'll
be
able
to
when
we're
looking
at
it
as
a
concept
plan,
the
developer
will
know
if
it
needs
to
be
we'll
most
likely
know
if
it's
going
to
be
a
local,
collector
or
arterial
but
saying
streets
at
this
time
and
their
widths
is,
I
think,
just
too
much
detail.
B
D
If
I
could
interject
one
comment
there,
an
alternative
to
that
the
concern
was,
if
we're
indicating
street
widths
at
the
concept
plan
and
there
may
not
be
adequate
traffic
study,
information
or
traffic
generation
information.
Yet
at
this
point
in
the
process,
that's
one
of
the
concerns
on
identifying
and
locking
in
what
that
street
width
is
being
proposed
at
at
this
point
in
the
process.
D
The
one
alternative
we
could
entertain
and
offer
to
the
board
is
to
keep
street
widths
indicated
on
there.
If
a
variance
of
meeting
any
minimum
street
width
requirements
is
being
proposed,
we
would
want
to
see
those
identified
at
the
concept
level
so,
rather
than
striking
completely,
maybe
it's
more
appropriate
to
state
that
street
widths
are
required
if
a
variance
is
being
sought
for
any
street
width
requirements.
D
D
So
I'll
we'll
leave
that
on
the
table
there
for
discussion.
But
then
the
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
too
that
we
could
add
to
number
two
streets.
We
we
could
add,
and
I'm
proposing.
We
do
add
that
the
type
of
street
section
being
proposed
is
also
included
at
the
concept
phase,
that
being
whether
it's
an
urban
street
section
or
a
rural
street
section.
I
think
that
would
be
an
appropriate
piece
of
information
at
the
concept
phase
level.
D
B
So
yeah
we
can
discuss
what
the
first
item
was,
but
otherwise
you
can
kind
of
forget
about
that.
One
and
just
focus
on
that
the
2e
and
that
will
say
the
type
of
street
section
and
then
the
other
one
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
changed
in
the
meantime
for
when
you
received
your
packet
was
for
drainage
and
grading.
It's
a
under
5c.
B
We
changed
it
to
say
existing
contours
and
proposed
cut
and
fill.
We
had
an
engineer
and
surveyor
reach
out
because
we
were
proposing
it
to
say
existing
and
proposed
contours
and
then
got
into
how
many
you
know
I'll
bring
that
one
up
what
it
was
before.
So
they
had
a
hard
time,
because
the
proposed
contours
is
really
something
that
they'll
iron
out
during
the
preliminary
plan
phase.
B
So
we
thought
that
that
was
more
appropriate.
So
that
is
one
other
change
that
has
happened
since
the
agenda
packet
came
out
so
with
the
for
the
motion
and
we
would
recommend
adding
2e
for
the
for
the
and
obviously
there
can
be
discussion
still
and
maybe
we
could
let's
have
discussion
and
then,
when
you
guys
are
ready
to
make
a
motion,
I
can
recommend.
A
That
all
right,
thank
you,
brandi
and
I'll,
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing
right
away
on
this.
But
if
there's
anyone
you
know
that
has
any
thoughts
or
comments
I'd
like
to
make.
Please
feel
free
to
come
to
the
podium
and
make
those
or,
if
you're
online,
make
those
and,
of
course
the
board
feel
free
to
ask
questions
as
well.
So,
mr.
D
Chairman
kai
probably
will
provide
a
little
context
here
out
in
the
public
comment
period.
So
just
to
kind
of
paraphrase
what
we're
doing
here.
Just
for
the
public's
understanding
is.
We've
got
a
development
review
process
in
hand
today
that
we're
trying
to
make
improvements
on
in
order
to
shift
some
of
the
heavy
lifting
in
the
design
work
and
where
that,
where
that
more
costly
effort,
what
point
the
process
is,
or
those
costs
going
to
be
incurred?
D
We're
talking
about
a
lot
of
design
costs
for
engineering,
consultant
engineering
fees
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
then
also
balancing
out
this
process
to
make
sure
that
the
board
has
enough
information
at
hand
in
order
to
make
approvals.
And
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
biggest
changes
is
we're.
Taking
the
prelim
plan
that
used
to
be
approved
by
the
board
by
the
planning
commission
and
we're
putting
a
lot
of
those
components
into
the
concept
plan
and
and
now
making
the
concept
plan.
The
step
that
will
go
to
the
planning
commission
for
approval.
D
D
The
concept
plan
will
show
that
40
acres,
how
it's
going
to
be
laid
out
where
the
streets
are
going
to
go,
where
the
lots
are
going
to
be
configured
access
on
the
current
street
networks,
utility
extensions
things
of
that
nature
on
a
conceptual
design
level,
and
then,
once
that's
approved,
the
developer
will
be
able
to
drill
down
to
phase
one
and
and
submit
a
preliminary
plan
for
phase
one.
That
goes
into
a
lot
more
level
of
detail
that
we
as
staff,
will
then
review
and
approve
at
a
staff
level.
D
D
Oh
and
then
another
piece
of
information,
I
was
going
to
add
the
context
behind
how
this
all
started
and
why
we're
going
down
this
path.
I
think
it's
no
secret
that
in
the
city
of
watertown
we've
been
striving
to
update,
improve
polish,
our
development
review
processes,
and
that's
I,
I
know
a
big
initiative
that
the
mayor's
trying
to
help
accomplish
and
has
put
steering
committees
together
in
the
past
this
particular
committee.
D
Help
me
with
the
title
of
that
committee.
Brandy,
development
development
task
force
and
that
task
force
includes
members
of
the
community
that
are
active
developers
consultant
engineers
chris
shilkin
himself
from
watertown
development,
company
city
staff,
and
so
a
lot
of
these
changes
were
incubated
in
that
committee
in
those
committee
meetings
and
thought
through
and
talked
about
how
we
can
make
some
of
these
improvements.
D
So
I
think
that
that's
an
important
component
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understood
as
we're
taking
action
on
this
or
considering
action
on
this,
that
it
was
well
thought
out
in
a
in
a
community
effort
to
help
make
these
improvements
happen.
So
with
that
I'll
pass
it
back
over
to
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you,
mr
van.
I,
for
that
explanation
and
and
you're
absolutely
right.
I
mean
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming.
We've
had
complaints
in
the
past
that
sometimes
the
developer
has
to
spend
a
lot
of
money.
You
know
before
they
get
to
us
and
you
know
they.
They
spend
a
lot
of
money,
designing
streets
and
designing
drainage,
and
then
they
come
to
us
and
it's
the
first
time
we're
seeing
it
so
hopefully,
this
is
a
way
that
they
can
kind
of
get
their
ideas
to
us,
but
without
having
all
of
the
cost.
A
So
that
way
we
can
at
least
let
them
know
if,
if
we're
on
board
and
need
more
information
or
if,
if
they
need
to
find
a
different
route,
so
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
staff
has
done
preparing
this.
I
mean
this
has
been
a.
This
is
a
big
document,
a
lot
of
changes
and
it's
been
in
the
works
for
a
long
time.
So
I
appreciate
you
guys
effort,
and
this
does
look
really
good
reading
through
this.
G
I
just
have
a
quick
question
for
you:
keith
on
the
concept
plan,
so
when
I
bring
my
plan
in
and
and
have
an
idea
of
what
I
think
I
want
to
do,
and
then
I
get
that
approved
by
the
board
here
right
and
then
I
go
back
home
and
then
I
change
how
much
change
can
I
make
to
that
before?
It
has
to
come
back
in
front
of
the
board.
D
E
Sure
I
do
have
this
section
handy,
it's
24.0610.
It's
called
amendments
to
a
preliminary
plan,
so
that
is
a
great
question,
commissioner,
related
to
any
changes.
So
minor
changes
shall
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
a
change
in
the
local
street
pattern.
Street
name
lot:
lines;
development
phases,
subdivision,
name,
rights,
away,
widths,
easements
or
lot
and
block
numbers.
So
those
are
minor
changes
that
could
be
reviewed
at
the
staff
level.
D
So,
commissioner,
to
your
question,
the
in
the
review
of
the
preliminary
plan
for
a
particular
phase.
We
would
be
looking
at
how
that
is
in
alignment
or
not
in
alignment
with
what
was
approved
at
the
concept
plan
phase
and
then
using
this
section.
2406
240610,
as
a
guide
to
know
at
a
staff
level
when
we
need
to
take
something
back
to
the
board
or
the
applicant
needs
to
take
something
back
to
the
board,
because
they're
triggering
a
major
change
to
the
previously
proved
concept
plan.
G
So
another
item
that
always
is
a
bonus
contention
is
when
we're
okay
in
these
plans,
the
the
park
designation
seems
like
we
chase
our
tail
on
that
at
what
point
will
that
be
in
the
concept
plan,
or
will
that
be
in
the
preliminary
plan
so
that
we
aren't
going
back
and
saying
okay
where's
our
park?
I
mean:
is
that
addressed
in
any
of
this.
G
B
So
we
do
say
the
locations
and
sizes
of
all
the
public
facilities,
schools,
libraries,
fire
station
parks,
tree
masses
and
other
significant
natural
features.
So
when
they
are
proposing
a
residential
zoning
designation,
we
would
make
sure
the
park
is
included
and
then
also
so
in
title
14.
Is
they
say
that
upon
annexation
or
plating?
That's
where
that
could
be
tightened
up.
A
B
D
A
A
A
B
And
so
the
agenda
was
updated
within
24
hours
to
include
the
sheet
that
I
passed
out
to
you
guys.
So
that
will
be
the
resolution
that
you
are
acting
on.
That
does
have
all
the
updated
all
the
updates
that
I
described
the
only
one
that
we'll
need
to
say
so
when
you
say
I
move
to
approve
resolution
number
2020-37
with
also
adding
21.
Let
me
go
down.