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Public Works Finance & Safety Meeting 07-06-2020
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Carries
all
right!
Thank
you.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
public
comment
period,
and
this
is
the
time
reserved
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
to
step
forward
and
do
so
if
you're
calling
in
please
state
your
name
into
the
microphone
and
say
permission
to
speak
before
making
your
comment
and
we'd
like
your
name
for
the
record,
is
there
anyone
that
would
like
to
speak.
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Carries
thank
you
item.
A
on
the
regular
agenda
is
acceptance
of
bid
for
the
golf
course
greens,
blue,
one
blue,
two
and
red
eight
replacement
project
and
I'll
get
a
motion
in
that
discussion,
so
motion
by
a
law
and
a
second
by
over
demske,
and
we
have
the
park
rec
and
forestry
department
director
on
line
Terry,
Kelly
and
I.
Will
let
Terry
tell
us
about
the
bids?
Hey.
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And
I
apologized
to
the
council,
the
timing
to
get
this
on
the
agenda.
Supporting
document
didn't
work
out
with
the
holiday
in
our
bed,
opening
on
Thursday.
We
did
open
the
bids
for
the
two
greens
or
I'm.
Sorry,
three
greens,
blue
one
blue,
two
and
red
eight.
If
you
look,
we
did
have
two
bidders
dunnock
and
landscapes.
Unlimited
the
base
bed
law
was
done
it
at
two.
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What
we
had
in
balance
of
our
Golf
Course
Improvement
Fund,
was
two
hundred
sixty
eight
thousand
five
hundred.
If
we
did
do
the
project,
we
would
own
additional
sixty
five
hundred
to
our
consultant
for
construction
management
and
producing
the
final
documents
which
left
us
a
net
bid
or
I'm.
Sorry
with
the
net
bed.
Acceptance
of
278
left
us
a
negative
budget
balance.
Sixteen
thousand,
through
a
lot
of
talks
with
our
consultants
staff,
our
board
president.
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F
With
that
we
would
approach
a
few
outstanding
projects.
We
have
that
are
smaller
nature
and
use
a
portion
of
that
268,000.
We
would
carry
over
200
thousand
to
put
that
with
our
2021
capital,
I'm
dollars,
and
that
would
give
us
money
to
tie
both
the
2020
project,
we're
gonna
rebid
and
the
2021
into
one
package,
which
should
give
us
more
competitive
bids.
So
with
that,
I
will
answer
any
questions
from
the
council
or
staff.
Okay,.
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They
were
very
upfront
and
honest
I
mean
out
stops
share
near.
They
do
not
need
to
work.
There
are
very
limited
green
contractors.
These
are
definitely
Midwest,
if
not
national
contractors,
and
they
simply
we
went
to
bid
because
of
Colvin.
You
know
we
waited
to
go
to
bid
on
this
project
and
we
can.
We
just
missed
the
openings
by
the
time
we
bid.
They
had
more
than
plenty
of
work,
and
they
admitted
that
so
I
think
it
was
a
case
of
you
only
want
three
greens.
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When
when
we
met
post
bid
opening,
you
know
even
our
consultants
said
yeah.
Okay,
this
is
pretty
steep
pricing.
We
try
to
balance
and
look
in
other
ways
to
finance
it,
but
ultimately
it
did
not
make
sense
to
waste.
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
shoot
a
figure
of
30
to
$40,000.
If
this
was
the
emergency
repair
or
replacement,
we
may
have
looked
harder
for
additional
dollars,
but
yeah
the
group
of
us.
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Fails
all
right.
Thank
you
item
B
is
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
sign
the
amendment
and
all
applicable
documents
to
the
South
Dakota
Department
of
Transportation
s,
DDOT
agreement
number
five,
one,
one:
seven,
three,
nine
four:
the
right-of-way
procurement
associated
with
the
highway
212
phase,
two
reconstruction
project.
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Absolutely
thank
you
mayor.
It
scraped
me
back
by
the
way,
thanks
for
the
time
off,
if
I'm
a
little
rusty
today,
forgive
me,
but
we
had
an
enjoyable
family
vacay,
so
it
was
much
appreciated,
I'm,
beginning
back
into
business.
Here
we
have
an
addendum
in
front
of
the
council
regarding
a
an
agreement
with
the
deity
we
executed.
The
original
agreement,
if
you
recall
back
in
early
March
I,
believe,
was
the
first
meeting
in
March
and
what
the
agreement
generally
said
was.
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It
was
allowing
the
d-o-t
to
negotiate
and
procure
right
away
on
the
city's
behalf
due
to
the
impacts
of
the
highway
212
phase
to
project,
as
you
all
know,
that
devotees
cranking
out
the
Phase
two
components
of
that
highway:
reconstruction
project
and
they're
in
the
phases
right
now
of
procuring
easements
and
rights-of-way
that
are
needed.
They
brought
an
addendum
forward
to
us.
It's
a
really
a
minor
one,
but
just
a
formality
that
they
needed
to
amend
the
original
event.
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There's
I'll
share
my
screen
here,
there's
one
area
that
they
want
to
exclude
from
the
negotiations
that
it's
no
longer
needed
due
to
some
discussions
with
Watertown
municipal
utilities.
So
this
parcel
here
is
being
omitted
from
the
agreement
and
then
there's
another
parcel.
I
don't
have
an
exhibit
for
this
one,
but
it's
similar
to
this
one
showing
on
exhibit
a
it's
a
minor
point:
zero
three
acres,
its
parcel
44,
it's
being
added
to
the
agreement.
Now
the
rest
of
the
terms
of
the
agreements
stay
the
same.
They
just
had
to
modify
it.
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But
aside
from
that
future
cost
for
us
to
just
run
that
vacate
through
our
normal
process,
is
the
the
rest
of
these
procurements.
The
way
I
read
this
agreement
is
the
d-o-t
will
be
purchasing
these
rights
away
on
our
behalf,
they'll
be
negotiating
them
on
our
behalf,
and
it
should
be
pretty
straightforward
for
us.
I'd
entertain
any
questions
that
the
council
might
have
all.
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Yeah
great
question:
councilman
l'olam
that
was
l'olam,
correct,
correct
parcel
44
that
I've
highlighted
here-
that
is
the
only
one
I
don't
have
an
exhibit
419
be-
is
included
as
this
document
right
here
on
the
right
side
of
my
screen.
I
assume
you're,
seeing
both
these
sides
right
the
exhibit
and
then
the
text
correct
so
19
B
is
this
Exhibit,
A
and
33
a
is
this
exhibit
that
relates
to
14th,
Street
I
did
and
I
apologize
for
the
timing
of
this.
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Yeah
absolutely
thank
you
mayor,
so
yaar
crack
Rob
is
going
to
be
the
primary
spokesperson
tonight
in
regards
to
the
street
Division
of
Public
Works
and
their
efforts,
not
just
from
this
recent
winter,
but
the
winter
before
on
conversations
with
Rob.
It's
my
understanding.
We
just
due
to
scheduling
and
conflicts.
We
didn't
get
a
summary
to
the
council
last
year
for
the
2018-2019
winter
season,
so
he's
gonna
go
ahead,
give
a
brief
summary
of
both
the
last
two
winters.
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G
Myron
Heath,
okay,
so
yeah
like
keith,
was
saying
this
putting
this
together
a
brief
presentation
about
the
last
two
winners.
You
know
we
normally
I
like
to
do
these
presentations
in
November.
So
you're
you
see
what's
what
was
from
last
winter
and
what
to
expect
this
winter
as
far
as
costs
and
time
and
things
like
that,
so
I'm
gonna
put
my
screen
up
here.
G
Okay,
so,
basically,
like
I
said
this
will
cover
18,
19
and
19,
and
20
and
it'll
just
be
a
brief
presentation
about
those
two
snow
years.
So
you
get
some
of
the
highlights,
some
of
the
priority
priorities
of
snow
removal
and
ice
management.
Of
course,
we
always
focus
on
the
highways
first,
eighty
one
to
twelve
and
twenty,
and
then
we
go
into
emergency,
snow
routes,
schools
and
hospitals.
G
We
drop
what
we're
doing
and
we
we
go
help
them
out
and
actually
two
winters
ago
we
had
to
help
them
quite
a
bit
to
get
some
ore
to
some
of
the
locations
they
needed
to
help
people
with.
So
this
is
just
a
brief
view
of
the
current
emergency
snow
snow
route
map.
Everything
in
red
is
emergency.
Snow
routes
or
primary
routes
that,
like
to
the
lake,
we
plow
it
to
the
lake.
G
That's
an
area
up
here
that
we
do.
As
you
can
see
everything
in
the
blue.
The
state
takes
over
and
goes
each
direction
from.
There
goes
west
east
north
itself,
okay
variables
to
count
for
during
each
snow
event
that
we
take
into
account
and
these
summaries
or
presentations
the
ice
snow
depths.
The
density
of
the
snow,
which
is
wet
or
fluffy
staffing
for
the
street
department
and
contractor
availability
equipment
breakdowns
the
wind,
causing
replying
days
of
the
week
for
cost.
You
know,
weekends
and
holidays
cost
a
lot
for
the
city
for
city
staff.
G
In
the
winter
of
eighteen
and
nineteen,
we
had
32
total
events.
13
of
those
events
required
us
to
plow
hire
contractors
and
help
plow
25
of
those
events
were
actual
snow
and
seven
were
drizzle
rain.
That
type
of
thing
that
turned
to
ice.
Okay.
This
is
a
breakdown
of
several
events.
It's
it
shows
where
we
spent
most
of
our
dollars.
If
you'll
see
like
event
number
one,
it
was
basically
just
a
little
bit
of
the
ice
and
we
had
to
do.
We
had
a
little
bit
ice
out.
G
There
cost
254
bucks
and
was
it
if
you
go
up
to
a
vent
number
5
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
can
see
my
cursor
here
but
event
number
5.
It
shows
a
total
cost
of
4,200
bucks.
We
used
some
Brian
on
there
too,
I
believe
and
actually
in
last
winter,
we
we
didn't
use
much
Brian
I,
know
I'm
getting
ahead
of
myself
there,
but
the
winner
before
in
this,
we
did
use
Brian.
G
Occasionally
a
lot
of
it
had
to
do
with
temperatures
at
temperatures
are
very
cold
to
Hunter's
ago,
so
that
we're
not
able
to
use
Brian
when
it's
really
cold.
It's
good
up
to
about
15
degrees
and
below
that
you
start
causing
more
issues
and
creating
something
that
would
help
us
so
event,
number
6.
Let's
see
I'm
gonna
back
up
on
my
stuff
here
with
information
right
down.
G
G
There
was
1.9
inches
by
the
National
Weather
Service,
but
it
was
to
us
it
was
more
than
1.9
inches,
and
so
we
did
plow
it
you'll
see
it
was
about
$29,000,
some
of
the
contributing
factors
that
you'll
see
that
are
typical
in
some
of
these
wind
causes,
replying
weekends
and
holidays
create
expensive
over
time,
the
depth
of
accumulation
and
then
clean
up
continuation
from
previous
events
also
per
are
included
in
these.
These
event
costs.
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G
The
factors,
let's
see,
did
you
do
it
event,
number
26,
I,
think
I
also
do
have
that
and
I'll
show
you
I'll
just
go
to
these
slides,
so
you
can
see
what
we
have
this
also.
This
here
shows
all
the
major
events
in
the
costs.
I'll.
Let
you
stare
at
that
a
little
bit,
because
that'll
probably
bring
out
some
questions
about
specific
events
you
can
see
down
below
here.
G
G
You
know
we
had
some
expensive
cleanup
costs
for,
like
this
10-inch
snow
is
about
sixty-two
thousand
bucks.
It's
two
point.
Three
inch
snow
is
sixty
five
thousand
dollars,
but
where
what
contributes
to
that
type
of
cost,
this
event
number
ten
was
sixty
two
thousand
dollars.
Shortly
after
we
had
snow
roll.
In
that
we
were
working
on
cleaning
up,
it
was
sixty
five
thousand
dollars.
I
would
assume.
G
Based
on
what
I
see
here
is
we
were
still
cleaning
up,
piles
and
stuff
downtown
and
parking
lots
areas
like
that,
the
library
things
like
that,
where
we
haul
snow
and
it
costs
its
we
stealth-
contractor
costs
after
the
streets
are
clear.
So
that's
why
you'll
see
some
of
those
costs
carry
over
from
one
event
to
the
other,
you'll
see
event
number
thirty-two
I
have
some
detailed
information.
I'll
show
you
on
that,
but
it
was.
G
That
was
the
large
event
of
twenty
five
inches
of
snow
down
here,
oh,
don't
here,
it
shows
25
inches
of
snow
event.
Number
thirty-two
was
seventy
eight
thousand
dollars.
Okay,
let's
go
on
here's
event,
number
six
when
I
was
telling
you
about
that.
This
is
a
breakdown,
more
detailed
breakdown
of
the
costs
and
the
type
of
things
we
ran.
Crosswind.
The
temperatures
usually,
which
you
know.
G
Sometimes
we
have
temps
on
there,
cause
some
issues
too
so
total
hours
it
took
us
to
get
all
the
streets
and
alleys
cleared
from
curb
to
curb
was
fifty
seven
and
a
half
hours.
Now,
that's
a
long
time
seems
like
a
long
time.
It
really
depends
on
when
we
start.
This
was
a
Saturday
through
the
following
Thursday
that
this,
so
this
will
clean
up
occurred.
Now
we
did
sand
on
a
Saturday.
We
had
five
staff
members
in
on
a
Saturday,
I
believe
yeah
five
personnel
came
in
and
Saturday
firm
sanding
operations.
G
We
actually
then
start
the
plowing
I
believe
until
possibly
Sunday,
but
anyway
the
accumulation
took
a
while
to
get
there.
It
was
only
1.9,
but
we
had
to
plow
it
so
that
ended
up
being
an
expensive
cleaning
in
itself.
So,
let's
see
the
reason,
I
wanted
to
bring
event
number
22
up
this.
Actually
everything
fell
on
the
right
days,
yet
a
Tuesday
and
a
Wednesday
the
snow
fell,
and
it
would.
We
have
two
and
a
half
inches
of
snow.
G
It
showed
through
the
National
Weather
Service,
it
fell
and
it
stopped
and
we
started
cleaning
and
it
took
28
hours
to
clean
it
up
from
start
to
finish,
that
was
every
road
Nellie
in
town,
which
that's
pretty
good,
that
my
goal
is
to
get
down
to
24
hours,
and
when
we
have
the
right
days
of
the
week,
we
don't
have
any
holidays.
We
don't
have
any.
You
know
real
wind.
This
had
some
wind
speeds.
I
said
see.
We
had
gusts
up
to
33
miles
an
hour.
G
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
for
one
day
or
what
it
was.
Maybe
in
the
future
we
can
track
a
little
bit
more
information
for
that.
To
show
you
guys
that
so
yeah
that
was
pretty
fast
clearing
right.
There
event
number
22
event
number
32,
that's
the
one
you're
curious
about
I'm
sure
from
2018-19
winter
that
happened
in
April.
G
Let's
see
yeah
April
10th
through
the
14th
as
one
we
basically
had
snowfall
I
was
seventy
eight
thousand
five
hundred
five
dollars
to
clean
that
now
you
see
contractor
charges
were
third
$9,000
that
was
pretty
expensive,
cutting
edges.
We
had
about
four
thousand
dollars
in
cutting
edges.
We
changed
saying
the
salt
that
it's
three
grand
worth
of
sand
and
salt
mix
overtime,
wages,
almost
$17,000,
therefore
overtime,
wages,
standard
wages,
weren't,
so
bad
fuel
and
gas
was
about
$9,000.
G
D
G
Okay,
let's
see
I
have
okay,
I
thought
I
had
a
continuation
of
that
slide,
but
anyway,
our
staff
does
strive
to
clear
all
the
cities
and
streets
and
alleys
in
the
streets
and
alleys
in
the
city
and
the
shortest
time
possible.
We
had
13
total
plowing
events
in
18
and
19
three
events
we
cleared
in
under
30
hours,
three
events
cleared
and
under
thirty-five
hours
between
30
and
35
hours,
that
should
say
five
events
we
cleared
between
50
and
58
hours
and
one
event
took
us
66
hours
and
the
largest
event.
G
I
just
showed
you
to
have
95
hours
to
clear
everything
and
that
last
event
that
actually
included
up
clean
and
all
the
piles
and
everything
that
was
the
last
event
of
the
season.
We
cleaned
everything
out,
pulled
it
out
and
fill
their
snow
holes
that
season.
We
used
only
1500
gallons
of
brine.
That
was
only
155
bucks
of
real
tonnage
of
salt
and
sand
mix.
G
We
used
about
4,000
ton
that
comes
in
at
about
almost
eighty
nine
thousand
dollars
mixed
and
that
year
our
salt
price
was
7950,
a
ton
I
believe
for
just
straight
rock
salt,
our
workforce.
This
shows
our
average
for
the
year
we
use
thirty,
two
percent
of
our
workforce
was
contractor.
Help
and
68
was
the
city
staff
there's
what
you're
really
looking
for
for
eighteen
and
nineteen,
a
total
cost,
not
including
equipment
repairs,
but
was
six
hundred
fifty
thousand
bucks
almost
just
shy
I'll.
G
G
G
It
really
comes
to
inconsistencies
of
cost
of
breakdowns.
Sometimes
we
have
the
$200
breakdown
and
sometimes
it's
feelers
an
engine-
it's
forty
thousand
dollars,
but
it
it
could
be
included
in.
You
know,
we've
thought
about
doing
that.
We've
talked
extensively
about
doing
that.
We
just
haven't
and
it
really
does
play
into
it,
but
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
things
too.
We
use
those
machines
for
a
lot
of
things
during
during
the
year.
B
To
me,
and
it
would
make
sense
to
at
least
plan
for
it
or
maybe
take
a
five-year
average
type
of
deal
where
you're
looking
at
it
and
saying
well,
you
know,
on
an
average
year
we're
going
to
have
one
of
these
breakdown.
Where
have
it?
You
know,
and
obviously
you
can't
directly-
you
know
put
that
to
us
know
of
unless
it's
something
that
happened
during
that
snow
event,
but
it
has
to
be
something
that
has
to
be
factored
in
and
it
might
be.
You
know
it's.
B
G
B
G
A
Way,
you
could
do
that
would
be
to
have
an
amortization
of
the
the
piece
of
equipment
itself
and
give
an
hourly
use.
Given
an
expected
life
of
the
equipment
and
I
mean
when
you're,
using
an
old
beater
that
isn't
costing
you
a
lot
per
hour.
It's
going
to
have
more
breakdown
cost,
but
over
the
life
of
it
that
all
averages
out
to
an
equipment,
hourly
rate
and
then
you've
got
your
wages
already
and
you
use
equipment
a
for
12
hours
and
equipment
B
for
22
hours,
and
you
can
like
FEMA,
does
for
right.
G
A
B
You're
going
to
be
utilizing
on
a
typical
year,
we
have
it
broke
down
how
long
it
took
you
to
do
move
snow.
You
break
that
down
on
what
your
cost
per
equipment
is
based
on
the
hours
used,
then
you'd
have
some
sort
of.
If
nothing
else,
it's
just
an
idea
that
you
know
on
a
typical
snow
year
we're
going
to
have
this
breakdown
or
Simone
$1
mil
that
goes
towards
it,
because
yeah
I
use
those
in
the
summer
and
the
winter,
but
everything
when
it
gets
colder.
It's
harder
on
all
the
equipment.
G
G
G
You
know
when
I
say
it's
nap,
eleven
snow
events,
there
was
11
total,
but
not
all
of
them
required
plowing,
some
of
them.
We
just
had
to
sand
this
talks
about
the
National
Weather
Service.
You
know,
we've
been
using
them
for
years,
but
we've
found
some
inconsistencies
and
you'll
see.
I
have
an
example
of
that
in
the
snow
depth,
so
we
started
using
north
as
well.
G
I've
been
half
tempted
to
do.
This.
Have
us
as
a
third
measuring
depths
at
like
our
street
department,
our
street
facility,
but
so
far
we
will
moving
forward,
include
National,
Weather,
Service
and
NOAA
as
the
two
sources
we
use
for
snow
depth.
Okay,
the
minimal
snow
breakdown
you'll
see
it's
very
similar
to
what
we're
shown
in
the
last
presentation.
G
G
The
number
event
number
eight
was
over
a
two-week
time
span,
so
we
just
put
it
all
in
one
event,
because
we
kept
having
snow
pretty
much
every
day,
so
we
kept
at
it
instead
of
breaking
it
down
into
several
events,
I
called
it
one
event:
oh
yeah
event,
number
seven,
the
one
point:
nine
inches
snow
fall,
you'll
see
down
here
we
didn't
plow
any
residential
areas
in
red
right
there,
but
we
did.
If
I
remember
right.
G
Let's
see
we
did
kickback
drifting,
because
some
areas
just
completely
drifted
in
did
an
emergency
snow
routes
in
the
schools.
I
think
we
did
downtown,
yes
cleared
downtown
corridor,
5
a.m.
9:15,
so
we
did
that.
That's
why
it
was
a
little
bit
cheaper
to
clean
and
this
one
because
we
didn't
do
all
the
residential.
So
we
did
the
downtown
highways
snow
routes.
G
Event.
Number
eight,
let's
see.
Yes,
this
is
an
extremely
expensive
one.
This
went
through
a
two
week.
Time
span
that
we
were
clearing
snow
and
really
we
had
the
first
part
of
the
event.
It
was
about
thirty
eight
hours
to
clean.
The
second
part
I
think
was
75
hours.
It
just
just
basically
kept
snowing,
so
we
had
74
thousand
dollars
in
contractor
charges,
cutting
edges,
it's
pretty
similar
to
what
you
saw
in
a
25
inch
event
sand
salt
mix.
We
spent
a
lot
21,000
on
sand
and
salt
mix
overtime.
Wages
was
quite
a
bit
standard.
G
Wages
was
about
the
same
as
overtime
wages,
so
there
you'll
see.
This
is
a
break
down
a
little
bit
more.
From
that
same
event,
the
days
where
the
wind
was
an
issue,
we
have
some
pretty
high
winds
there.
We
did
pre
Brian
some
of
it
highways
emergency
snow
routes,
but
anyway,
that
that
gives
you
a
breakdown
of
what
the
cost
was
on
that
we
could
have
broke
it
down
into
several
events,
but
they've
really
didn't
give
us
a
break
for
two
weeks
there.
That's
why
we
just
put
it
all
down
is
one
long
event.
G
38%
of
our
helpers
contractor
helped.
62
was
us
street
department.
Total
gallons
of
by
and
Brian
placed
in
for
events
was
about
3,000
gallons
at
300
bucks.
The
Brian
has
went
up
by
the
way.
I'll
explain
that
a
little
bit
the
sand
salt
you'll
see,
was
sixty
eight
thousand
dollars.
Now,
that's
only
20
thousand
dollars
less
than
we
spent
in
1819
our
you'll
see
down
here.
Our
salt
costs
increased
in
2020
to
$125
per
tonne,
which
was
a
36%
increase,
one
of
the
mines
down
south
closed
down.
G
G
All
right,
let's
see
as
you'll,
see,
65
percent
of
our
workforce
was
Street.
Department
and
35
is
contractors
that
was
the
average
for
last
winter
and
there's
our
total
cost
last
winter,
including
the
wages
we
were
talking
about,
but
yeah,
so
it
was,
it
was
quite
an
expensive
winter
really,
for
you
know
the
first
part
of
it
was
busy.
We
had
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
with
sandy
really
most
of
our
winter.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
sandy.
G
B
G
That's
correct
Don
we
do
a
lot
of
it
is
based
on
how
wet
and
heavy
the
snow
is.
If
it's
light
and
fluffy,
and
we
get
two
inches.
Sometimes
we
can
get
away
without
doing
anything
to
it
other
than
sanding.
If
it's,
if
it's
wet
and
heavy,
we
do
generally
plow
it
other
communities.
Two
inches
is
pretty
standard
until
you
get
to
like
Rapid
City,
they
actually
I'm
surprised
they
do
what
they
do,
but
they
get
away
with
wait
until
six
inches
is
fallen
before
they
start
clearing.
Well.
B
Thank
you,
Rob,
a
question
for
you.
I
know
it's
July
6th,
but
winters
right
around
the
corner.
How
are
we
looking
for
this
winter
I
know
you
said:
you've
had
trouble
in
the
past
hiring
staff,
and
things
like
that.
Will
there
be
any
changes?
Come
this
winter
with
with
what
the
city
does
versus
the
contractors
or
with
employees
or
hiring
part-time
people.
G
You
know
as
far
as
our
staffing
we
have
were
one
short
as
far
as
full
timers
and
one
short
as
far
as
seasonals
go
contractor.
Help
is
still
looking
pretty
good.
Last
year,
they
were
great.
We
were,
we
had
great
contractor
help
last
year
and
it
looked
it
looks
like
this
year
probably
will
be
similar,
a
lot
of
which
you're
asking
there
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
how
we
move
forward
with
snow
gates,
which
will
be
another
presentation.
G
B
G
B
B
G
Right,
you
know,
that's
really,
it's
really
hard
to
say
which
way
I
mean
you're.
Looking
at
if
you're
looking
at
a
long
term,
investment
basically
having
staff
and
and
our
own
equipment
makes
sense,
because
you
you,
you
have
more
control
of
that
contractors
a
lot
of
times
they
they
have
something
going
on.
They
have
something
some
other
commitment
or,
of
course
they
have
breakdowns
too,
but
a
lot
of
times.
We
can
work
around
our
breakdowns
because
of
either
shifting
other
staff
into
a
different
piece
of
equipment
to
still
continue
going.
G
You
know
there's
times
when
we
have
snow
gates,
break
down
and
there's
a
certain
area.
We
can't
snow
gate
because
it's
broke
down
and
we
don't
we.
You
know
we
have
three
snow
gates
total.
So
we
keep
rolling,
we
don't
just
stop,
and
it's
just
those
people
don't
get
snow
gate
at
the
time,
but
I
I
would
personally
I
like
having
our
own
staff
too,
as
as
much
as
we
can
and
our
own
equipment,
because
we
have
more
control
of
doing
a
better
job
or
a
more
timely
job.
G
We
do
have
to
rely
on
contractors
when
they
can
get
there.
Sometimes
they
can't
get
there
at
the
same
time
we
would
like
them
to
or
like
them
to
start
they
have
previous
commitments
or
other
commitments
that
they
have
to
do
first.
So
that
becomes
an
issue
too.
There's
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
that.
Definitely.
D
G
It's
a
good
question:
Bruce
last
year
was
the
first
year
that
I
used
any
contractors
when
I
first
started.
Pinkie
burns
was
doing
up
in
River
Ridge,
but
a
little
bit
after
that,
we
moved
to
have
all
of
our
city
staff
work
on
the
main
core
of
water,
tom
plus
the
outskirts
like
River
Ridge,
Northridge
Eastwood's,
but
last
year.
I
did
something
different.
G
Loaders
I
actually
did
have
other
contractors
hired
to
help
out
that
main
contractor
up
there.
That
was
that
was
a
choice
I
made
based
on
what
we
had
for
staff
and
what
we
had
for
equipment
and
where
we
were
running
where
we
were
trying
to
snow
gate,
we're
trying
to
snow
gate,
the
Cora
town
from
212
to
14th,
Avenue,
19th,
Street,
East
to
21st
Street
West
that
core
we
were
trying
to
get
done
with
the
snow
gate
and
everything
outside
that
I.
G
Pretty
much
hired
contractor
help
to
do.
We
were
able
to
do
some
of
it
ourselves.
Like
derby
downs.
We
did
that
with
our
city
staff.
All
last
winter,
and
part
of
that
is
to
a
little
bit
of
my
end
is
experimenting
with
you
know,
timeframes
and
stuff,
like
that
with
us
doing
it
with
our
staff.
So
last
winter
we
did
have
everything
north
14th
and
easter
19th.
G
A
E
Rob
really
good
presentation.
What
I
would
maybe
ask
and
kind
of
ties
in
to
what
Adams
getting
at
if
it
does
seem
more
cost-effective
for
us
to
take
on
more
staff.
Might
we
look
at
coming
up
with
like
a
10
or
20
year
plan
where
we
start
to
phase
in
some
more
equipment,
some
more
employees,
that
maybe
we
can
start
to
build
up
that
force?
We
don't
have
to
do
it
all
at
once.
E
G
G
Forward
right
and
and
another
thing
I
mentioned
previously
months
ago,
as
as
as
we
go
through
time,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
younger
generation
they're,
not
starting
the
new
businesses
and
picking
up
where
their
parents
or
family
left
off
we're
just
kind
of
seen.
A
shortage
of
younger
people
taking
up
that
line
of
work
right.
D
G
There
at
all,
we
didn't,
we
didn't
use
gates
out
there
a
lot
of
times.
It's
funny
that
Tim
with
Fran
boys
and
myself
went
out
there
quite
often
and
did
that
area,
while
the
regular
staff
was
doing
their
their
routes,
so
I
tried
to
help
out
and
I
had
Tim
helping
out
a
lot
more
too
on
some
of
the
events,
especially
that
ran
on
weekends,
where
I
could
get
in
the
machine.
I
try
to
help
out
too.
So
that's
that's.
We
didn't
have
I
can't
say
we
didn't
always
have
snow
gates
to
help.
I
know.
G
E
I'll
make
it
quick
Rob,
it's
something
for
you
to
think
about
too.
If
I
don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
be
beneficial
or
helpful
to
you,
but
if
you
ever
feel
that
maybe
we
need
to
modify
our
ordinance
about
like
cars
parked
on
the
street
and
you
having
to
go
around
them
to
be
a
little
more
strict
and
motivating
to
get
your
car
off
the
streets
that
the
street
plows
can
do
their
job.
Better
I
mean
just
come
to
us
with
that
and
propose
it.
E
I
mean
if
that's
like
a
pipe
crazy
thing
to
like
come
up
with
like
not
let
us
know,
but
if
that's
what
you
guys
need
to
be
more
effective
and
basically
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
the
community
wants
to
support
our
street
department
and
getting
the
snow
off
the
roads.
So
if
we
need
to,
you
know
kind
of
be
a
little
stricter
about
that,
and
that
would
help
you
guys.
I
mean
you
just
gotta.
Let
us
know
yeah.
G
A
D
D
This
next
discussion
will
affect
the
necessity
of
or
I
should
say
the
the
total
work
force
that
we
have
in-house
the
snow
gate
discussion
is
a
pretty
critical
one,
both
from
a
staffing
perspective
and
from
an
equipment
purchasing
perspective
and
I'll
have
Rob
run
with
it
from
here,
and
we
can
talk
about
those
details.
Thanks.
G
G
You
guys
know
the
facts
and
stuff
that
we've
went
through
about
snow
gates.
What's
the
pros
and
the
cons,
some
of
the
pros,
the
snow
gates
do
work
well
early
in
the
season,
and
they
work
well
under
five
inches
of
snow.
They
they
they.
They
can
definitely
be
a
good
thing
for
people,
especially
early
in
the
season.
G
G
G
That's
the
way
I
think
of
it.
I
mean
late
in
the
season.
Yeah
you
can
get.
You
can
get
two
inches
of
snow
and
they'll
still
work,
but
late
in
the
season,
you're
continuing
to
narrow
up
the
road,
because
you
have
to
move
away
from
the
existing
wind
role
to
be
effective
early
in
the
season.
You
don't
have
a
windrow
or
it's
it's
close
to
the
curb
line
and
it
doesn't
affect
the
width
of
the
road
and
you're
able
to
do
a
pretty
good
job
keeping
snow.
Some
of
the
snowed
of
people's
driveway
ends.
A
A
G
E
G
There
we
go
yeah,
okay,
all
right,
then.
Basically,
what
we're
talking
about
staying
away
from
the
existing
Windrose,
that's
very
important,
to
get
the
snow
gates
to
work
well
in
front
of
driveways
with
snow
gates
were
able
to
stack
the
snow
about.
Excuse
me
about
30
inches
tall,
okay,
some
of
the
cons.
G
G
D
G
Quite
a
bit
cheaper,
I
think
you
can
get
them
around
$75,000
or
so
cheaper.
They
definitely
are
more
reasonable.
They
charge
you
a
lot
for
that.
Extra
that
pulling
front
axle
so
but
snow
gates
reduce
the
speed
of
plowing
by
25
to
35
percent
by
2
or
3
miles
per
hour.
It
is
harder
on
equipment,
repairs.
G
C
G
Appreciate
those
guys
what
they're
doing
in
in
there
machines.
So
as
some
of
this
stuff
is
information
you
know,
snow
gates
do
require
four-man
team.
Without
snow
gates.
We
would
be
able
to
run
three-man
teams,
which
would
allow
us
to
have
four
total
teams
rather
than
three
with
their
current
staffing
numbers.
This
would
increase
our
plowing
speed
and
allow
for
the
most
practical
and
practical
and
efficient
use
of
our
personnel
and
equipment.
G
Can
you
guys
see
that
did
that
switch
to
current
plowing
teams
today?
Right
now
we
have
our
current
set-up.
From
last
winter,
we
had
three
teams
with
one
snow
gate
per
team.
Each
team
consisted
of
a
lead
operator
and
a
blade
plumbing
the
driving
lane
and
operator
in
a
blade
with
a
gate,
plowing
the
edge
and
then
a
plow
truck
or
a
sander
truck
following
and
then
a
wheel
loader.
Now
we
didn't
always
have
the
staff
to
do
one
or
the
other.
Sometimes
we
had
sander
guys.
G
We
had
two
guys
make
run
around
and
trying
to
cover
everything
we
were.
We
were
doing
so
when
we
were
short-staffed.
We
we
made
exceptions.
We
either
didn't
have
a
wheel.
Loader,
a
sander
truck
contractors.
You
know,
of
course,
there
are
three
man
team.
In
that
case,
I
try
to
put
together
three-man
teams
with
usually
two
blades
or
one
blade
and
a
plow
truck.
We
always
need
a
blade
on
a
driving
land
to
get
through
the
ice
and
hard
pack
snow,
the
trucker,
plowing
blade
or
plumbing
truck
wheel,
loader
cleaning
intersections
a
lot
of
times.
G
Last
winter
I
told
you
already
about
the
area
that
we
snow
gated
last
winter.
A
few
questions
to
ponder
this
will
come
up
at
the
end.
So
that's
what
you
want
to
look
at
cost
of
two
additional
snow
gate
teams.
Now
we
talked
about
this
briefly
before
to
each
gate
or
snow
gate.
Machine
new
is
about
three
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
piece:
four-wheel
drive,
motor
graders
and
250
thousand
a
piece,
probably
a
little
bit
more
than
that.
Now.
G
Contractors
are
about
$4,000
per
event
for
a
bleed
new
front-end
wheel,
loader
$190,000
or
so
contractor
loader
about
$2,500
per
event.
So
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
an
idea
of
cost
of
contractors
in
comparison
to
two
staff
members
or
two
blades
for
two
staff
members.
Now,
if
we
were
to
grow
the
team
to
basically
handle
or
have
five
snow
gate
teams
in
the
city,
we
basically
have
to
have
a
eight
more
people
than
we
do
now.
That's
that's
a
lot
of
people.
That's
a
lot
of
staff.
G
I
know
the
questions
been
brought
up
about.
Do
we
have
worked
for
those
people.
Year-Round
depends
on
how
how
many
potholes
we
have
I
think
we.
We
could
use
a
lot
of
people.
We
could
keep
them
busy,
but
it's
pretty
astronomical
when
you're
looking
at
five
teams,
could
we
do
it
with
four?
Absolutely
we
could
do
it
with
four
just
take
longer
right
now
we
we
try
to
last.
Whenever
we
worked
with
basically
three
city
teams
and
three
contractor
teams.
Now
we
had
to
fill
in
with
the
contractor
teams
and
help
them
out.
G
G
This
is
basically
you
guys
have
seen
this
before.
This
just
shows
how,
if
we
had
a
three-man
team
without
a
snow
gate,
you
have
a
blade
doing
the
driving
lane,
because
you
need
to
scrape
that
down.
You
need
a
sanding
truck
and
then
you
need
a
loader
to
clean
up
the
windrow
at
the
intersection.
If
you
have
a
snow,
gig
team,
you
have
two
blades,
of
course,
first
blade
in
the
driving
lanes.
G
Second,
along
the
curb
sander
truck,
and
then
we
do
try
to
use
the
gate
to
help
clean
up
the
intersections
a
little
bit,
but
we
still
come
back
with
the
loader
if
the
snow
is
deep
enough
and
clean
those
up
with
the
loader,
so
negating
the
entire
city.
Of
course,
this
is
kind
of
going
back
to
pro's
and
con's
a
little
bit,
but
additional
costs
of
snow
tread
tires.
Additional
cost
of
motor
graders
because
we
buy
six
wheel,
drive
motor
graders
for
for
snow
gates,
cost
more
and
feel
when
you're
running
six
wheel
drive.
G
C
Up
your
last
slide,
the
last
the
last
point
there
I've
had
people
comment
to
me
and
obviously
they're
self
professed
experts
out
there
and
everything
that
say
that
reason
it
takes
longer
to
do
it
and
doesn't
do
a
good,
a
job.
You
guys
don't
know
how
to
run
the
run
snow
games.
Would
you
mind
responding
that
I
mean
III,
defend
you
guys
they
help
when
those
comments
are
made.
But
I
guess
I'd
like
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say
when
you
and
I'm
sure
you've
heard
those
same
comments.
G
We
have
had
a
couple
times:
we've
thrown
operators
that
have
been
with
us
for
Oh
three
years
into
a
small
into
a
snow
gate
situation
and
they
learn
while
they're
doing
it
snow.
Gating.
That's
it's
one
of
those
deals.
You
can't
just
send
them
out
in
a
plowed
field
and
say
try
it.
They
have
to
see
what
they're
doing
next
to
a
driveway,
so
we
do
send
them
out
and
it's
not
always
ideal,
but
for
the
most
time,
our
operators
after
a
short
time
after
you
lift
that
gate.
G
Ninety
four
hundred
times
in
one
snow
event
or
I
shouldn't
say
that
it's
not
three
guys
live
between
the
three
of
them,
lifting
that
gate.
Ninety
four
hundred
times,
plus
intersections
they're,
probably
close
to
fifteen
thousand
times
you
get
good
at
it.
You
know,
and
that's
I
I
would
I
would
say
we.
Our
operators
are
very
good
at
what
they
do.
B
G
B
G
I
did
last
year
we
talked
briefly
about
what
it
would
cost
if
we
did
hire
contracted
skid
steers
to
come
in
and
help
us
out
now.
This
was
based
on
our
current
pricing
last
year.
In
average
pricing
him
an
$80
per
hour
for
skid
steers
they'd
have
to
be
two
speeds,
get
stairs
to
actually
do
it,
quick
enough
14
miles
an
hour
to
get
in
between
driveways
or
in
two
locations
to
plow,
and
we
figured
out
at
every
four
minutes
that
get
a
driveway
and
cleared.
G
B
A
E
Councilman
Hoyer
has
a
question
so
going
back
to
that.
Fifty
one
thousand
dollar
number
came
up
earlier
this
year
and
I
had
somebody
also
point
out,
like
with
our
current
population
purse,
no
event
that
really
only
equals
two
dollars
and
37
cents
per
household
in
extra
purse.
No
event
to
do
the
skid-steer
thing
wrong.
G
G
A
Probably
changes
too
so
I
mean
this
is
good
things
to
think
about
that.
We're
not
done
with
a
snow
gate
conversation,
but
we
need
to
decide
as
a
community
which
direction
we're
going.
If
we're
going
to
continue
just
doing
some
neighborhoods,
then
how
do
we
decide
who
gets
to
have
it
I?
Don't
think
we
want
to
do
that.
I
think
we
either
want
to
do
either
expand
and
do
every
one
with
snow
gates
or
eliminate
them
and
not
do
snow
gates.
If
we
eliminate
them.
E
The
other
side
I
mean
if
we
can
manage
to
kind
of
get
the
price
tag
under
control
a
little
bit,
and
we
add
to
some
of
our
teams,
then,
does
that
open
us
up
to
having
some
more
folks
available
to
attack
things
like
potholes
in
the
community?
I
know,
that's
such
a
buzz
thing
within
the
community.
Rob
knows
too,
but
you
know,
if
that's
fallout
from
this,
then
is
that
so
much
a
negative
thing
as
long
as
we
can
find
a
way
that
that
fits
the
budget
to.
E
G
A
G
A
B
A
Oh
no
hand
up:
okay,
anyone
how
about
new
business.
Anyone
have
any
new
business,
not
seeing
any.
We
will
not
be
going
into
executive
session
pursuant
to
SEC
l1
25,
and
so
we
can
be
adjourned
and
I
will
declare
the
meeting
done
and
we
will
reassure
n--
at
5:30.
That's
just
five
minutes,
we'll
take
a
brief
break
and
for
our
full
council
meeting
at
5:30.
Thank
you.