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A
All
right
good
afternoon,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
public
works,
Finance
and
Safety
Committee
meeting
of
Monday
April
6
2020
and
we're
trying
something
new
here.
We've
only
got
half
of
our
council
members
in
the
chambers
and
the
other
half
is
participating
remotely
everybody's
here
and
the
staff
is
present
remotely
as
well
through
an
online
application,
and
you
should
be
able
to
see
them
speaking
when
they
make
a
presentation.
A
B
B
C
C
A
There
any
member
of
the
public
that
has
called
in
and
would
like
to
speak.
If
so,
please
state
your
name
hearing,
none
I'll
move
on
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
approval
of
the
agenda?
Have
a
motion
by
Helene
and
a
second
by
Radomski?
Is
there
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
hi
all
right?
Those
opposed
signify
by
saying
nay
motion
carries
item.
A
B
A
C
D
D
This
is
a
budgeted
item
in
the
amount
of
$80,000,
the
source
of
all
contract
came
in
at
seventy
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
this
again,
it
comes
with
the
recommendation
from
the
count
or
from
the
Parker
rec
board
and
I'm
going
to
beat
you
to
a
few
questions.
Obviously,
through
conversations
the
mayor,
Kristen,
we
are
being
very
frugal.
We
are
essential.
Only
spending
and
I
do
want
to
reiterate
right
away
off
the
top
that
this
piece
of
equipment
truly
I,
do
feels
the
essential
purchase
for
the
Forestry
Division.
D
This
is
basically
and
I,
set
at
the
park
and
Rec
board
meeting.
Basically,
this
is
trying
to
remove
snow
without
a
snow
plow
or
run
a
police
department
without
a
police
car
we
have
limped
along
for
about
three
years.
Our
current
Lord
er
is
on
its
last
leg.
If
I
didn't
feel,
this
was
essential,
I
honestly
would
have
worked
on
non-essential
spending
and
held
back
on
this
sword
of
the
council's
benefit.
This
is
one
I
truly
feel
for
us
to
do
our
operation
officially
and
effectively.
I
am
asking
for
the
go-ahead
for
this
approval.
C
Hi,
Jerry,
hey
good
things
any
way
you
look
at
skinny
as
ever.
I
think
that's
a
pre-k
no
I
just
want
to.
We
had
a
discussion
about
is
that
the
park
and
Rec
board
meeting
last
week
and
Terry
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
possibility
of
a
lease
program
for
one
of
these.
For
now
did
we
have
an
opportunity
to
check
into
that
at
all?
Do
you
know.
D
D
The
farmers
implement
that
actually
provided
the
source
will
quote.
They
were
the
first
we
went
to
because
New
Holland
is
actually
the
product
that
we
would
like
to
have
and
we
did
not
get
back.
I
know
they're
working
out
of
Wisconsin
so,
but
we
did
not
get
facts
and
figures
to
present
to
you.
That
is
the
only
one
Bruce
that
we
did
speak
to.
Okay,.
D
Road-
and
that
is,
you
know,
it's
obviously
an
option
we
could.
We
could
pursue
that
in
the
next
week
or
two
you
know
whatever
it
takes.
I
just
know
we're
we're
getting
geared
up
real,
quick
to
start
removing
a
lot
of
trees
or
currently
the
forestry
loader
is
what
what
that
is
is
to
clean
up
item.
You
know:
we've
got
the
bucket
truck
the
saws
that
drop
the
tree
to
the
ground.
D
What
this
piece
of
equipment
does
is
actually
does
a
cleanup,
yeah,
grapple
saws,
the
trunks,
the
branches
and
right
now
our
current
piece
of
equipment
really
is
not
functioning
to
actually
provide
that
so
I'm
hesitant
to
delay
this
a
whole
lot
longer.
But
if
that's
the
council
decision,
I
can
continue
to
look
into
it.
A
A
So
it
is
kind
of
a
unique
time
it's
a
summer
when
the
parks
and
the
facilities
will
be
less
used,
probably
than
any
other
summer
or
any
future
summer
coming,
and
so
it's
a
good
time
for
us
to
be
getting
in
and
getting
some
of
this
work
done
and
the
staff
members
on
the
park
will
be
shifted
around
too.
So
we
can
put
more
people
on
to
this
type
of
activity.
The
maintenance
activity
that
you
really
got
to
watch
out
having
people
around
when
you're
doing
it.
A
B
Sat
in
on
the
park
and
Rec
board
or
team
din
on
the
park
and
Rec
board
meeting
last
weekend
and
I
heard
the
conversation
that
you
know
pretty
strongly
allowed
for
that
we
do
need
this.
I
know
there
was
thoughts
about
you
know,
seeing
if
we
could,
we
could
lease
it.
I,
don't
know
if
a
couple
more
weeks,
if
we
were
to
get
more
information,
would
would
set
things
back
or
would
give
us
new
information.
B
D
That
we're
not
were
not
run
year,
number
three,
that
we've
cut
this
out
of
our
budget.
Finally,
at
last
year's
budget
hearings
in
the
meetings
with
the
mayor
and
Finance
Officer
Bob
zine,
this
was
one
thing
we
said
you
can
cut
everything
we
got,
but
this
is
one
piece
of
equipment
that
we
do
feel
the
essential
to
continue
to
provide
those
services
we
provide.
D
C
C
So
I
just
was
going
to
ask
you
but
I,
know
I,
didn't
ask
you
about
a
lease
into
it,
but
wondering
if
that'd
be
a
possibility
too,
as
you
got,
maybe
10
trees
down
from
the
golf
course
this
year,
but
according
to
what
they
said,
you
could
have
gotten
half
of
them.
If
we
had
done
something.
So
just
something
for
your
thought
process
anyway.
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
truck.
D
No
and
Councilman
Albertson,
as
far
as
the
grapple
saw,
we
did
we've
had
great
communications
with
Tareq's
they're
new
to
the
game.
As
far
as
the
grapple
saw
and
we've
been
working
diligently,
it
kind
of
maybe
took
a
step
back
and
what
we're
dealing
with
now,
but
those
conversations
move
forward.
They
don't
have
a
lease
program,
but
the
beam
from
Terrax
have
been
very
responsive
to
one
on
one
assist
a
city
and
probably
given
us,
probably
the
best
price
you'll
ever
see.
D
C
D
C
A
C
This
is
Merrill:
we've
go
ahead
today.
I
just
want
to
address
Glen's
question
before
you
vote
again,
I
was
mistakenly
taking
my
cue
from
the
way
the
legislature
conducted
their
business
last
Monday
I
did
just
research,
it
real
quick
and
if
there
is
less
than
a
quorum
in
the
place
where
the
public
is
available
to
take
in
the
meeting,
the
vote
must
be
done
by
roll
call.
A
E
E
C
B
E
C
A
A
F
Thank
You
mayor,
so
this
would
be
a
professional
services
agreement
with
CDI
that
civil
design
incorporated
they
are
located
in
Brookings.
The
engineering
staff
went
out
and
advertised
a
request
for
proposals
here
back
in
March,
and
we
received
five
proposals
from
five
different
consultants
to
perform
the
design
and
bidding
services
for
the
reconstruction
of
10th
Avenue
North.
This
is
a
segment
of
10th
Avenue
North.
It
runs
from
highway
anyone
west
to
4th
Street
West,
so
just
about
to
the
hospital
there.
Just
east
of
the
hospital
is
the
segment
that
this
would
include.
F
There
were
three
of
them
up
there
around
at
170,
180
thousand
and
the
two
lower
ones
CDI
and
then
IDG
was
the
second
lowest
at
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
we
had
a
committee
of
I
think
there
were
four
or
five
of
us
on
the
committee
that
did
a
selection
for
the
consultant.
We
rated
them
according
to
their
proposals.
One
of
those
components,
one
of
the
criteria
on
the
ratings
included,
cost
others
included
the
firm's
ability,
the
specific
staff
they
have
assigned
to
the
project.
F
Things
of
that
nature-
and
we
came
up
with
the
conclusion
to
propose
the
council
that
we
work
with
CDI
on
the
design
for
this
project
be
glad
to
help
answer
any
questions.
This
is
well
within
the
budget.
For
this
year
we
have
a
peruse
or
budgeted
I
should
say
up
to
180
thousand
for
this
work
and
CDI
came
and
well
below
that
we
we
did
call
CDI
and
discuss
with
them.
F
A
F
B
Got
a
question
he
thin
the
second
paragraph
of
your
of
your
explanation.
It
says
we
have
teamed
up
with
water.
Tom,
yes,
Polly
Tilly's
to
get
the
benefits
of
working
under
one
engineering
consultant
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Are
they
paying?
Are
they
offer
to
pay
for
any
part
of
the
feat
that
we
have?
We
asked
them
yeah.
F
Oh
sorry,
yes,
glen
councilman,
Villar!
That's
that's
a
great
point.
Sorry,
a
glass
glossed
over
that
we
we
got
together
with
municipal
utilities
and
talk
to
them
as
we
do
every
year
on
our
projects,
this
one
in
particular.
We
wanted
to
note
that
any
utility
work
needs
whether
it
been
electric
gas
or
water,
but
they
do
have
some
water
line
work
that
they
would
like
to
do
within
this
stretch
of
10th
Avenue,
and
so
we
we
further
met
and
further
discuss
what
it
would
look
like
if
they
would
just
come
on
board
with
our
consultant.
F
B
F
The
goal
would
be
to
have
a
street
section
that
similar
to
what's
in
front
of
the
hospital
to
have
that
continue
on
all
the
way
east
to
highway
81.
Some
of
those
fine-tune
details.
The
exact
dimensions
will
be
worked
out
here
in
the
scoping
and
design
phases,
with
CDI
we're
open
for
proposals
with
them
on
what
that
Street
section
will
look
like
whether
we
can
entertain
allowing
parking
back
on
either
side
whether
we
want
a
continuous
two-way
left
turn
lane
that
whole
stretch.
F
F
G
C
F
F
We're
hoping
to
avoid
that
with
any
again.
That's
something
that
Center
proposal
to
work
with
a
consultant
on,
but
they
would
provide
recommendation
if
there's
any
additional
need
for
right
away
right
now:
they're
they're,
under
the
impression
and
staff
to
agrees
that
we
can
probably
get
this
done
without
procuring
any
additional
right-of-way.
We
will
probably
need
some
temporary
construction
easement
so
ever,
but
that's
part
of
what
this
contract
would
entail,
as
well
as
the
consultant
helping
us
secure.
Those
easements
yeah.
C
C
F
I
am
a
talk
directly
with
him
about
the
lighting,
but
that
is
something
that
I've
had
the
back
of
my
mind
with
with
this
project,
with
this
being
kind
of
a
thoroughfare,
if
you
will
to
the
hospital
from
the
east,
you
know
having
some
some
better
street
lighting
through
there.
I
think
would
also
be
a
good
component
to
add.
So
those
are
things
will
continue
to
be
in
discussions
with
municipal
utilities
on
as
well
yeah.
C
The
other
thing
would
be:
you
know
that
is
an
emergency
snow
route,
flash
it's
where
the
hospital
gets
a
lot
of
the
ambulance
coming
from
the
east
on.
So
we're
going
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
that's
going
to
close
down
or
assume
for
most
of
the
summer.
You
know
as
far
as
people
go
on,
you
know
from
there
to
the
hospital.
It's
gonna
have
to
probably
do
some
pretty
strategic
planning.
As
far
as
where
we
route
people
over
there.
F
Yeah
and
that's
another
thing
that
we
were
specific
about
in
our
proposal
that
we
would
want
some
strong
recommendations
from
the
consultants
on
a
good,
solid,
alternative,
temporary
detour
during
the
construction
phases.
With
this
proposal,
they
will
also
provide
us
a
recommendation
for
how
to
phase
this
actual
work
in
next
year.
You
know
why
don't
we
do
a
block
by
block
or
whether
they
do
half
Street
there's
all
kinds
of
options
we
can
entertain,
but
the
the
corresponding
temporary
detour
routes
are
component
of
that,
but
we've
requested
of
them.
Okay,.
F
H
I'm
just
curious:
have
we've
looked
at
the
sidewalk
situation
on
both
sides
and
how
this
might
potentially
impact
that
I
know
in
some
old
neighborhoods
like
this.
Some
of
them
are
a
little
close
to
the
edge
of
the
road
anyway
and
in
some
cases
they're
just
missing
so
I,
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
be
in
there
anyway,
if
that's
something
that
we
take
care
of,
while
we're
at
it.
F
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
Councillor
Hoyer.
We
will
be
looking
at
assessing
that
the
sidewalks
current
conditions
current
alignments,
whether
whether
they
should
be
on
one
or
both
sides.
All
those
things
need
to
be
discussed
through
the
design
phase.
There
are
to
the
point
that
councilman
Lalla
made.
There
are
some
constraints
where
we
do
have
sidewalk
presidents
likely
going
to
prevent
people
from
parking
in
their
driveways.
F
We
obviously
don't
want
to
cause
those
conflicts
to
where
people
are
parking
over
a
newly
installed
sidewalk
and
then
not
meeting
our
ordinances
in
that
respect,
but
the
conditions
you
know
for
putting
in
realigning
and
having
to
put
in
new.
You
know
that
would
be
all
part
of
this
project,
but
the
details
of
that
still
have
to
be
worked
out
yet
through
the
design
phase.
C
E
C
H
C
C
A
H
F
Absolutely
thank
you
mayor.
The
council
will
recall
that
we
not
too
long
ago
approved
the
mayor
to
sign
and
send
a
letter
pertaining
to
this
subject.
This
relates
to
the
bridge
on
20th
Avenue
South.
We
did
an
epoxy
deck
seal
on
that
bridge
in
2018.
That
was
part
of
a
2017
big
grant
application
for
that
deck
seal.
There's
been
discussion
clear
back
since
the
bridge
was
constructed
in
2010
that
relates
to
the
camber
and
the
girders
for
the
bridge
and
how
they
have
some
excessive
camber
in
them.
A
A
C
C
C
C
A
H
F
There
wouldn't
be
any
safety
concern.
It's
really
just
a
rideability
issue
right
now
that
excessive
camber
puts
a
little
rougher
ride
in
that
bridge
as
you
over
it,
and
particularly
for
truck
traffic.
But
essentially
what
happened
is
was
my
understanding
anyway,
as
the
girders
were
over
designed
so
and
they
they
are
not
being
weighted
by
the
slab
of
the
bridge
deck
enough
to
take
the
camber
out
of
them.
So
essentially
they
were
Bill
Sauder
and
heavier
duty
than
they
needed
to
be
so
from
a
safety
standpoint.
A
B
E
C
E
C
E
C
C
E
C
E
A
All
right,
thank
you
now.
Item
D
is
approval
to
designate
20th
Avenue
south
and
a
portion
of
29th
Street
East,
also
known
as
the
South
bypass
as
Dale
Jones,
Memorial
Parkway
and
authorizing
the
city
engineer
to
sign
a
right-of-way
encroachment
agreement
for
the
installation
of
a
memorial
monument
and
roadway
signing.
F
C
F
F
One
of
those
efforts
was
brought
forth
to
me
by
Adam
Reeves
who's,
a
member
of
the
deputy's
Union.
That
Union
would
like
to
have
this
route
of
what
we
call
the
South
bypass,
which
includes
all
of
20th,
Avenue
South,
and
then
a
portion
of
29th,
Street,
East
declared
or
proclaimed
as
Dale
Jones
Memorial
Parkway.
F
This
action
tonight
here
would
allow
me
to
issue
a
right
away:
encroachment
agreement
for
both
these
efforts.
I'll
talk
on
the
street
signing
or
the
dedication
that
would
not
be
a
formal
Street
renaming.
It
would
not
affect
any
addresses
along
that
route.
It
would
simply
be
a
designation
as
a
Memorial.
Parkway
I've
got
some
examples
here
of
a
sign
of
similar
nature.
The
sign
would
be
constructed
to
meet
the
manual
of
units
uniform
traffic
control
devices
standards.
F
That's
the
MU
tcd
manual
that
we
use
for
all
our
signing
and
striping
for
public
rights
away,
so
it'd
be
a
brown
colored
sign
with
white
lettering
on
it.
As
you
see
here,
this
specific
sign,
I'll
zoom
them
out
here
for
this
effort
would
read
something
like
this
Dale
Jones
Memorial
Parkway
and
the
general
locations
that
these
would
be
installed.
F
So
here's
the
South
bypass
loop,
you
have
a
portion
of
29th
and
then
it
converts
the
20th
Avenue
and
ties
up
into
Highway,
20
and
212
says
you
come
off
212
on
to
the
south
bypass
there'd,
be
a
sign
here
that
that
calls
us
out
in
the
Dale
Jones
Memorial
Parkway
and
then
the
highway
81
thoroughfare
that
cuts
through
here
at
the
roundabout.
Is
you
come
off
to
the
east
therapy
a
sign
and
if
you
come
off
81
to
the
West
there'd
also
be
a
sign
and
fan.
F
That
generally
summarizes
I
should
say
too,
that
the
the
parties
wanting
to
present
this
they
certainly
did
want
to
come
tonight.
They
wanted
to
be
at
the
meeting.
They
understand
how
we're
meeting
remotely
they
just
wanted
me
to
express
their
sincere
appreciation
for
any
consideration
you
guys
would
give
towards
this
project
and
that
they
would
be
more
than
willing
to
work
with
staff
on
the
final
details
as
we
work
those
out.
A
B
A
B
Also
I
mean
we
have
my
my
only
concern
if
it
is
that
I'm
solely
employed
support
this,
but
are
we
potentially
setting
some
kind
of
precedent
on
with
doing
this,
but
I
also
think
that
we've
we've
named
other
streets
in
town,
I,
think
of
Bruin
Avenue,
for
example,
named
after
so
I
guess,
I'll
just
throw
that
out
for
if
there's
any
concern
anybody's
part
that
thought
just
crossed
my
mind.
Thank.
A
C
Glen
I
have
the
same
question.
We
have
run
through
this
issue
on
the
deal
of
T
Commission
I'm
in
favor
of
this,
but
I
do
think
that
we
should
make
sure
we
have
a
set
of
requirements
and
such
guidelines
for
future
opportunities.
So
Heath.
What
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
do
was
interfacing
a
couple
guys
in
peer
at
the
d-o-t.
They
have
been
through
this
exercise
and
we
should
have
those
guidelines
put
in
place.
A
C
He's
the
only
thing
I
would
I
would
I'm
fully
in
favor
this.
The
only
thing
I
would
maybe
put
a
little
bit
of
caution
to
is,
if
we're
gonna
place
a
stone
or
something
we
don't
put
that
into
something
like
potentially
could
have
a
catastrophic
event
that
happens
to
and
such
as
a
car
losing
control.
And
unfortunately
we
have
you
know
the
incident
that
comes
back
to
bite
us
because
of
it.
So
I
just
caution
us.
C
C
E
C
E
C
A
H
A
A
The
Corps
would
move
forward
with
completing
this
study
only
if
the
city
would
agree
to
be
the
sponsor
and
pay
for
half
of
the
cost.
So
we
asked
the
dnr
to
help
us
pay
for
this.
The
DNR
is
paying
for
half
of
our
cost,
and
then
the
lake
and
Pesce
water
project
district
is
paying
for
half
of
the
remaining
and
every
year
I'm
sending
this
letter
to
the
Corps
of
Engineers
telling
them
that
we're
still
interested
in
completing
this
study.
A
We
can't
move
forward
with
any
kind
of
flood
control
for
our
community
until
this
study
is
completed,
so
it
is
just
kind
of
a
routine
matter.
But
it's
interesting
to
note
this
year.
Our
grant
from
the
state
expired
on
March
31st,
so
we
had
to
go
through
some
activity
with
the
state
and
then
they
they
reached
the
grant.
They
gave
us
two
more
years
and
they're
continuing
to
offer
their
support
for
their
part
in
it.
Are
there
any
questions?
Councilman
Helene
thank.
A
Are
so
that
the
total
cost
is
about
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
it's
probably
gone
up,
but
because
that
estimate
was
done
by
the
Corps
of
Engineers
five
years
ago,
but
the
state
that
so
the
half
of
it
that's
local,
is
four
hundred
fifty
thousand
and
the
state
is
paying
for
half
of
the
local,
so
they're
paying
two
hundred
twenty-five
thousand
and
then
the
two
hundred
twenty-five
thousand
local
is
being
split
by
the
water
project
district.
So
it's
it's
a
hundred
and
twelve
hundred
thirteen
thousand
dollars.
A
A
A
B
B
E
B
G
A
We
cannot
construct
a
dam
without
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
participation
and
I.
I
will
say
this.
It's
really
pretty
amazing
dam
failures
do
devastating
damage.
No
dam
designed
by
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
has
ever
failed
and
I'll
say
that
again,
it's
pretty
amazing.
No
dam
designed
by
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
has
ever
failed,
and
for
that
reason,
because
of
the
life
safety
aspect
of
it,
the
laws
are
now
that
they
must
be
involved
in
every
project
they
have
to
be,
and
a
number
of
years
ago
maybe
2001.
A
The
city
attempted
to
move
forward
with
the
design
of
the
dam
without
the
core,
and
that's
when
we
learned
that
fact
and
it
continues
and
persists
today
that
there
have
been
continuous
failures
of
dams
throughout
our
history
as
a
country,
but
no
dam
designed
by
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
has
ever
failed.
So
we
do
have
to
wait
for
their
participation.
They
want
to
do
it.
They
have
to
wait
for
Congress
to
allocate
the
money
to
do
it.
A
A
But
they,
if
not
without
their
participation
and
they
won't
participate
unless
their
check
boxes
have
a
check
in
them.
So
it's
it's
got
to
be
cost-effective.
They
won't
build
something
that
has
less
benefit
than
it
costs.
In
fact,
you
have
to
have
a
pretty
high
ratio.
Your
benefits
have
to
be
many
times
over
the
cost
of
building
this
dam
or
they
won't
participate
in
it,
and
then
we
won't
get
it
built
because
we
can't
build
it
unless
they
participate
in
it.
So
there's
lots
of
safety
mechanisms
in
place
for
getting
this
done.
C
E
C
E
C
C
E
C
E
A
C
Mayor
in
light
of
the
sent
you
an
email
last
week
in
light
of
the
fact
of
the
the
virus,
that's
hit
our
community
and
probably
has
hit
our
community
hard.
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
suspend
the
tax
and
I,
don't
know
where
this
belongs
by
the
way.
But
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
suspend
the
tax
on
the
downtown
merchants
and
may
be
suspended
for
six
months
or
something
just
so
that
everybody
gets
a
chance
to
see
where
this
is
all
falling
in
place.
A
E
E
We've
already
received
a
few
payment
this
year
from
those
property
owners.
So
this
isn't
something
where
I
can
suspend
the
payment
is
actually
added
to
their
tax
roll.
That's
why
it
has
that
timing
aspect
of
needing
to
get
turned
over
to
the
county
in
by
November
to
be
assessed
to
the
taxes.
So
this
isn't
something
that
the
finance
office
could
do
if
it's
something
that
the
council
wants
to
proceed
with,
I
would
need
to
send
it
over
to
the
county
and
determine
what
I
can
do
to
essentially
abate
those
taxes.
A
G
You
mayor
I,
would
agree
with
Councilman
Albertson
I
would
recommend
I
understand,
I
had
to
talk
with
Kristen
about
this
on
Friday
afternoon.
So
I
understand
the
difficulties
of
doing
anything
now,
but
I
would
say
going
forward,
at
least
let's
say
through
the
next
property
tax
collection
period
in
October,
I
think
Kristen
said
so
at
least
through
October
I
would
I
would
say:
let's
suspend
it
going
forward,
not
collecting
any
more
because
we
need
to
keep
as
much
cash
in
the
hands
of
these
downtown
business
owners
as
possible
so
that
they
can
stay
alive.
G
I
fully
applaud
the
the
council
for
giving
that
caveat
in
the
downtown
tax
to
give
it
back
to
the
businesses
if
nothing
is
done
with
the
downtown
park,
but
the
way
that
things
are
going
I'm
not
so
sure
when
that
will
be
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
do
whatever
we
can
for
the
downtown
businesses
to
keep
them
alive.
So
I.
G
A
C
E
E
So
if
we
want
to
kind
of
pull
that
back,
then
we
will
have
to
do
a
process
and
I
I
have
to
check
with
Cindy
what
that
looks
like
even
and
when
that
would
need
to
be
turned
over
to
the
county.
To
do,
and
I
did
also
want
to
make
it
clear
too,
that
we
have
received
I,
think
I,
think
I've
received
six
or
ten
payments
already
that
were
for
that
tax
that
came
in
so
I
would
also
have
to
determine
how
to
reimburse
those
that
have
paid.
H
A
H
A
C
Just
to
comment:
we've
got
a
deadline
on
building
that
Park
I
mean
that
was
in
the
ordinance.
So
let's
just
make
sure
we're
aware
that
if
we
do
any
suspension
and
again
we're
in
such
a
time
of
turmoil,
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that
deadlines
and
how
that
would
affect
the
ordinance
or
anything.
We
would
do
right.
C
H
That
I
would
kind
of
just
backpack
off
councilman
Ruby's
comment
a
little
bit
with
this.
Being
a
time
of
you
know,
we
don't
really
know
what's
coming
right,
so
we
may
have
to
look
for
those
opportunities
where
we
can
keep
folks
employed,
keep
people
busy
and
having
some
projects
like
this
kind
of
reassures
that
so
maybe
that's
just
something
we
keep
in
the
back
of
our
minds
too,
but
yeah
I
mean
we
have
to
weigh
it
on
both
sides.
Just
to
see
the
pros
and
cons
so
right.
A
Thank
you
yep,
definitely
pros
and
cons.
Anyone
else
want
to
weigh
in
on
this.
Okay,
we
do
have
another
item
of
new
business,
which
is
a
discussion
on
the
sump
pump
collection
systems
and
Heath
was
just
going
to
introduce
the
topic.
There's
no
action
tonight,
just
an
informational
piece,
so
Heath.
If
you'll
go
ahead
with
that.
F
Yeah
Thank
You
mayor
this,
for
this
topic
we've
been
contemplating
in
the
engineering
office
on
how
to
address
some
of
the
neighborhoods
in
town
that
have
constant
sump
pump
flows
throughout
the
majority
of
the
year.
As
we
all
know,
there's
a
good
ansel
in
neighborhoods
there.
In
that
circumstance
it
would
fall
in
that
category.
Some
of
the
things
that
other
communities
do
it
really
buries.
F
Those
discharges
can
also
still
tend
to
compound
over
the
years
and
cause
issues
with
our
emphasis
sure
they
also.
Obviously
they
cause
nuisance
issues
which
we
hear
about
from
time
to
time
you
can
have
girl
with
the
Bell
G.
You
just
cost
the
presence
of
water
all
summer,
long
on
the
curb
and
the
in
front
of
driveways
and
things
of
that
nature.
F
You
have,
in
some
cases
the
piping
running
over
sidewalks
and
things
that
are
inappropriate
in
that
nature,
as
well,
so
in
looking
ahead
and
trying
to
find
some
ways
to
help
mitigate
the
the
issues
with
the
pumping
in
the
summer
months.
One
of
the
solutions
is
to
install
some
question
systems.
This
essentially
acts
as
its
own
standalone,
separate
system.
That
would
be
a
pipe
it's
placed
in
the
ground,
probably
in
the
boulevard,
maybe
sometimes
is
in
an
easement
in
the
backyards,
but
primarily
in
the
boulevard
area.
F
We're
maybe
an
eighth
inch
pipe
or
so
diameter
would
be
installed
access
to
connect
to
that
pipe
from
each
and
every
house
along
that
route
from
there's
some
pop
out
of
their
house
and
connect
to
this
pipe.
There
are
some
communities
require
that
neighborhoods
put
these
in
I
know
that
other
communities
use
them
retro
actively
as
well,
and
what
we
were
looking
for
and
I
wanted
to
start
with
a
council
to
discussion
on
if
we
wanted
to
entertain
doing
this.
F
For
our
community,
we've
got
several
projects
that
the
city
era
is
running
our
capital
projects,
where
we
could
be
incorporating
these
kind
of
improvements,
and
we've
also
got
some
upcoming
development
projects
as
well.
Where
developers
we
could
be
requesting
that
they
include
the
subcollection
systems
on
their
infrastructure
when
they
build
up
their
new
neighborhoods.
F
Now
some
of
the
liabilities
that
are
apparent
from
a
system
like
this
is
that
the
city,
if
we
were
to
take
over
ownership
and
maintenance
to
them,
which,
if
they're
in
our
right
away
I,
would
recommend
that
we
would
want
to
do.
But
if
we
do
that,
that's
another
liability
on
the
city,
it's
perpetually
ours
to
own
and
maintain
it's
something.
The
street
crew
or
the
wastewater
crew-
will
have
to
contend
with
from
time
to
time
to
make
sure
that
their
font
appropriately.
F
The
other
who
wants
to
these
systems
is
that
once
we
get
into
the
winter
months,
what
do
we
do
with
them
as
they're
not
going
to
be
installed
deep
enough
could
be
below
the
frost
level
that
they,
many
of
them,
will
likely
freeze
up
through
the
winter
months.
If
the
some
flows
continue
through
the
winter
months
and
then
participation,
you
know
whether
you
can
get
people.
You
know
you
can
write
an
ordinance
to
require
they
connect
to
these
if
we're
installing
them
in
further
homes.
F
C
F
We
wanted
to
do
that
or
not
I
know
it's
a
bigger
discussion
to
have
if
we're
going
to
start
installing
these
things
and
all
requesting
them
to
be
installed
of
developers
as
well
and
just
I'd
open
the
discussion
see
what
council
had
for
thoughts
on
that,
and
one
thing
I
would
propose
you
know.
Maybe
we
could
I
could
get
direction
on
tonight.
As
we
finish
up
the
design
for
these
two
street
reconstruction
projects,
we
could
put
them
in
as
it
treat
it
as
a
trial.
F
A
So
the
and
it's
multifaceted
for,
like
first
of
all,
building
in
a
built
environment,
is
very
challenging
to
put
these
things
in,
there's
usually
easements
in
the
backyard
which
is
often
low
but
they're
full
of
utilities.
So
if
we
try
to
dig
up
and
put
a
sump
pump
collection
system
back
there,
we're
gonna
run
into
all
sorts
of
conflicts.
A
A
Yes,
I
wanted
to
kind
of
see
what
the
the
common
start
thinking
about
this,
because
we
do
have
a
development
that
included
it
in
their
new
development
that
the
city
would
take
over
and
own
and
maintain
a
sump
pump
collection
system
in
their
development
and
that's
in
their
plans.
So,
if
we're
going
to,
if
you're
in
favor
of
taking
these
over
and
having
the
tax
payers
own
and
maintain
them,
then
we
should
probably
set
some
standards.
A
However,
usually
these
things
can
be
avoided,
then,
can
be
avoided
by
not
building
in
wet
areas
by
enforcing
the
requirement
to
build
above
the
water
table
and
those
sort
of
methods
will
and
grading
how
you
grade.
You
have
positive
drainage
out
where
you
can
actually
have
a
drainage
collection
system,
a
surface
collection
system
rather
than
a
sump
pump
collection
system.
Does
anybody
want
to
weigh
in
on
this
councilman
Helene?
Thank
you.
Mary.
G
I
guess
the
the
question,
or
at
least
the
answer
can
wait.
The
idea
is
interesting
to
me.
I
think
that
we
should
pursue
at
least
finding
out
more
to
see
if
this
is
something
that
we
should
do
as
a
full
council.
Obviously,
the
first
question
that
comes
to
my
mind
is
this
sounds
quite
expensive.
Both
to
construct
and
maintain
and
I
would
want
to
know
the
costs
on
that
I.
F
F
A
G
Question
would
be:
could
we
pass
an
ordinance
to
where
the
discharge
of
sump
pump
water
can
only
be
limited
to
the
backyards
of
residences
and
into
the
city
streets,
because,
potentially,
when
you're
continually
discharging
into
the
city
streets
and
the
waters
are
in
a
year
at
some
point
time
deteriorating
that
curb
and
gutter
faster
than
it
should
be?
Also,
you
would
eliminate
the
process
of
hoses
going
across
sidewalks
and
stuff
like
that.
F
Yeah
and
that's
a
good,
that's
a
good
question
and
kind
of
a
ongoing
battle.
If
you
will
amongst
what,
which
is
the
lesser
of
the
two
evils
we
in
engineering
do
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
residents
where
their
neighbor
is
pumping
in
their
backyard
is
not
only
saturating
their
neighbor's
backyard
but
also
their
backyard.
So
hence
it
creates
a
complaint
into
our
office
that
you
know
their
neighbors,
causing
saturated
conditions
and
they're
long.
F
So
it's
that
kind
of
a
dynamic
of
what's
the
less
or
the
two
evils,
I
think,
no
matter
where
they're
going
and
whether
it's
the
individual
is
discharging
long,
they
could
potentially
unlikely
impact
their
neighbors
backyards,
depending
on
their
how
they're
laid
out.
But
then
the
flip
side,
by
going
to
the
street
I
mean
you're
right.
That's
where
the
other
issues
come
into
play.
That's
where
I'm!
F
You
know
trying
to
look
at
this
thing
pragmatically
and
holistically
to
try
to
figure
out
for
these
neighborhoods
what
we
can
be
doing
as
a
community
to
help
improve
the
situation
all
around
and
I
think
you
know
this
is
one
solution
that
there
are
other
solutions.
Other
communities
use
by
installing
dewatering
wells
and
drawing
that
water
table
down
just
enough
to
help
prevent
pumps
from
kicking
on,
but
those
become
a
little
bit
more
labor-intensive
to
maintain
and
operate.
F
H
Think
the
other
thing
to
kind
of
look
at
here
is
if
this
doesn't
solve
the
discharge
issue
in
the
winter
and
these
freeze
up
during
the
winter
anyway,
you
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
they're
the
right
solution
for
it
I
mean
we
kind
of
needs,
something.
That's
gonna
work
you
around,
because
I
don't
really
see
the
huge
difference
if
they
shut
it
off
and
then
they
pump
into
the
sanitary
sewer
in
the
winter
anyway
like
what
we're
really
achieving
there.
I
mean
at
that
point.
It's
like
you.
H
Almost
you
just
put
an
elbow
on
your
pipe
going
out
into
the
street,
so
it
stays
in
the
curb
or
something
it's
just.
There's
got
to
be
a
creative
solution
here
and
it's
a
little
conflicting
to
have
everyone
in
the
city
pay
for
something
on
some
homes
that
maybe
shouldn't
have
been
built
with
a
basement
right.
A
And
that's
really
what
it's
about
is
people
don't
want
slab
on
grade
homes,
they
want
basements
and
when
you
have
shallow
groundwater,
your
your
run
into
problems
with
when
you
install
basements.
You
don't
run
into
those
problems
with
slab
on
grade,
so
you
know
it's
it's
it's
been.
Should
we
tell
people
what
kind
of
house
they
can
build
or
should
we
let
them
build
whatever
they
want
and
then
we'll
just
make
it
right
that
it's
kind
of
a
people
don't
like
to
be
told
here's
your
lot.
Yes,
you
bought
it,
but
no.
H
H
A
Okay,
I
I
think
we
aren't
going
to
finish
this
conversation
tonight,
I'm
glad
we
started
it
heath
if
you
could
gather
some
cost
information,
I'd
like
to
look
at
that,
but
I
do
want
to
take
just
a
few
minutes
to
have
an
executive
session
discussion
about
a
different
matter,
so
I'm
gonna
move
on.
Is
there
any
other
new
business
to
discuss
quickly?