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Plan Commission Meeting -04-22-2021
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Okay,
thank
you
item
three
on
the
agenda.
Is
invitation
for
public
comment,
participants
middle
if
there's
anything
on
the
agenda
or
that
anything,
that's
not
on
the
agenda
that
someone
from
the
public
wishes
to
talk
about.
There
will
be
time
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
please
just
let
city
staff
know
that
you
have
a
topic
you'd
like
to
talk
about.
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A
A
It
is
bounded
by
highway
81
on
the
east,
20th
avenue
on
the
north
and
county
road
11
on
the
west
and
then
32nd
avenue
south.
On
the
south
side,
there
are
portions
of
it
that
are
currently
annexed
and
zoned
into
the
city
where
the
existing
monastery
building
is
today,
that
is
zoned
egg
a1
agricultural
district
and
then
the
rest
shown
in
this
black
hatched
area
of
the
property
that
is
owned
by
the
benedictine
sisters
and
the
mother
of
god.
Monastery.
A
A
They're
proposing
a
a
variety
of
zoning
designations,
so
the
c3
highway,
commercial
c2,
the
local
commercial
r3,
is
multifamily
residential
and
the
pud
is
a
planned
unit.
Development
which
you
guys
that
is
actually
I'll,
show
you
their
phases.
That
is
their
phase
one,
and
so
you
guys
will
be
seeing
a
pud
plan
come
before
you
with
the
more
detailed
information
there.
A
A
A
A
Maybe
okay,
so
if
I
would
zoom
in
here,
you
can
see
that
they're
proposing
replacing
and
supplementing
sidewalks
along
public
streets
with
trails
within
the
development
parcels
proposed
parkland
and
green
spaces
and
then
also
reducing
pavement
widths
on
some
streets
where
on-street
parking
is
not
necessary
and
to
reduce
impervious
surface
and
stormwater
runoff.
And
if
you
see
in
the
report,
these
are
just
they're
just
stating
these
at
this
point.
A
Lastly,
then
also
just
as
staff
is
reviewing
the
plan
against
the
engineering
design
standards
and
ordinance.
We
just
have
two
items
to
note
that
that
we
would
request
as
part
of
the
motion.
We
still
recommend
approval
of
the
concept
plan,
but
we
do
ask
that
this
call
this
long
cul-de-sac
here
in
excess
of
500
feet,
which
is
the
max
in
our
design
standards,
be
redesigned
during
that
preliminary
plan
phase
and
then
also
this
alley.
That
is
shown.
A
We
did
request
that
that
would
be
redesigned
and
to
potentially
be
a
private
street
as
we
ask
that
access
be
restricted
along
the
collector
route
and
to
have
an
alternative
means
for
access.
The
alley
just
isn't
the
best
option,
and
so
we
would
like
to
see
that
redesigned
at
a
later
date
and
and
just
to
see
how
really
the
property
develops
as
that
could
potentially
change
as
they
progress.
So
we
didn't
want
to
get
to
with
the
concept
plan.
A
B
A
A
B
H
For
the
last
three
years,
the
sisters
of
mother
of
god
monastery
have
been
in
a
planning
process
to
come
up
with
and
create
a
long-lasting
legacy
for
the
people
of
watertown
and
the
surrounding
area.
We're
used
to
hard
work,
so
we
got
to
it
as
you
can
see
from
the
plans.
We've
we've
not
relented,
and
we've
been
determined
to
make
harmony,
hill,
a
place
that
invited
synergy
and
creativity
between
people
and
organizations.
H
H
H
How
does
a
eldercare
and
senior
living
community
become
the
departure
point
for
an
intergenerational
relationship,
rich
campus,
so
first
in
a
post
covered
era,
we
are
committed
to
building
a
cutting-edge,
state-of-the-art,
senior
living
and
elder
care
community
that
offers
the
best
and
safest
for
folks
who
need
more
care.
The
design
of
this
senior
living
community
is
really
intentional
and
it
will
employ
an
exemplary
model
of
holistic
living
that
promotes
dignity
and
freedom
and
wellness
of
residents
and
staffs.
B
I
Since
our
last
meeting
with
you,
we've
we've
had
substantial
conversations
and
more
meetings
with
city
staff.
It's
been,
I
think
we've
got
a
the
word.
Creative
came
up
and
I
several
times-
and
I
think
we've
had
some
very
creative
ways
of
dealing
with
some
of
these
issues
being
that
this
is
a
500,
acre
property
being
creative
and
how
we
can
proceed
with
the
with
the
priority
to
develop,
to
start
this
senior
living
campus
on
the
site
without
getting
hung
up
on
some
of
the
details
in
some
of
the
future
phases.
I
We've
also
completed
a
preliminary
soils
report
for
the
property
to
understand
the
soil
conditions.
So
as
soon
as
we
can
start
construction,
we'll
have
all
that
information
and
I
think
the
staff
again
we
met,
as
we
actually
met
this
afternoon
for
a
good
more
than
an
hour,
and
we
also
scheduled
a
meeting
for
next
monday
and
we're
talking
about
having
weekly
meetings,
because
we
really
want
to
keep
things
going
so
that
that's
that's
our
plan
right
now
is
to
have
weekly,
probably
teams,
meetings
on
video.
I
So
we've,
as
I
said,
we've
worked
closely
with
the
staff.
We've
reviewed
the
latest
comments.
We
had
a
really
good
meeting
today
to
creative
creatively,
talk
about
how
we
address
those
comments
at
preliminary
plan
stages
and
how
we
can
proceed
with
the
the
key
word
right
now
is
the
phasing
we
want
to
phase
the
project.
500
acres
absolutely
needs
to
be
phased
and
the
first
phase
is
the
priority
and
there
are
no.
I
As
far
as
I
know,
there
are
no
concerns
with
the
first
phase.
So
that's
that's
really
what
we
want
to
continue
with,
and
we
started
out
with
many
comments
and
many
issues
to
discuss.
We
discussed
utilities,
annexation,
zoning
and
we've.
We've
had
great
discussions
on
those
we've
accomplished
a
lot
in
that
regard.
So
really
we've
come
down
to
just
a
couple
of
issues
in
some
of
the
future
phases.
It
was
mentioned
the
cul-de-sac
length.
I
I
think
we
can.
We
can
certainly
address
that
when
that
phase
of
the
development
comes
up
and
the
and
the
collector
street
the
minor
collector
that
would
go
through
the
r1
area
and
the
rural
residential
area.
We
tried
to
come
up
with
a
creative
way
of
addressing
that
with
an
alley
trying
to
minimize
the
driveways
on
the
collector
street
and
still
provide
access
and
maybe
a
more
a
better
streetscape
without
a
bunch
of
driveways,
and
it
would
also
carry
traffic
a
little
bit
more
efficiently.
I
I
A
couple
other
things
I
mentioned
that
I
guess
randy
if
you
could
bring
up
that
the
pud
plan,
we
we
wanted
to
show
you
where
we're
at
with
the
concept
for
the
pud,
the
senior
living
campus
and
elder
care
facilities,
and
I
think
it
it
helps.
You
it'll
help
you
understand
and
it
communicates
better
than
just
saying
beauty.
I
So
this
area,
the
area
in
color,
is
what's
labeled
as
the
pud
on
the
overall
concept
plan,
and
if
you
look
at
again
today,
as
recently
as
today,
we
talked
about
how
we
can
phase
this,
because
there's
some
things
in
the
what's
labeled
as
the
veterans,
village
and
the
senior
living
twin
homes.
We
we
haven't
because
we're
concentrating
the
sisters
are
concentrating
on
the
the
senior
living
elder
care
campus.
I
We
don't
have
all
the
details
for
those
areas,
so
we're
talking
about
actually
phasing
again,
phasing
the
even
the
pud
to
allow
us
to
go
forward
with
I'll
call
it.
The
north
half
of
that
of
the
area
here
shown
in
color
and
there
we
do
have
some
more
detail,
and
this
again
is
a
concept,
but
it
will
progress
quickly,
but
you
can
see
on
there
there's
as
you
come
from
start
on
the
west
side.
There's
an
independent
living.
I
I
The
areas
to
the
east
of
the
commons
kind
of
an
odd
shaped
area
with
a
bunch
of
wings
and
a
central
area,
but
we're
looking
at
the
sisters
really
wanted
to
create
a
a
neighborhood
type
development
where
each
of
those
wings
would
be
a
low
level
low
level.
I
mean
one
story,
ranging
from
assisted
living
to
memory
care
to
possibly
skilled
care
within
those
different
wings.
I
There
could
be
12
to
16
or
20
resident
units
in
each
of
those
buildings
or
each
of
those
wings,
and
they
won't
really
want
to
deal
with
the
climate
here.
So
they're
we're
proposing
a
a
spine.
We
called
it
a
spine
to
connect
everything
which
will
be
more
than
just
a
service
hallway
or
a
connection
to
to
get
from
one
place
to
another.
I
So
we
just
wanted
to
present
that
to
you
tonight
that
hasn't
been
formally
submitted
for
any
review
or
approval,
but
that's
that's
where
we're
at
with
the
concept,
and
we
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
a
couple
other
things.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
say:
I'm
pretty
amazed
at
how
far
the
sister's
vision
has
progressed
since
I've
been
involved
in
this,
and
we
really,
we
really
started
visioning
or
they've
been
visioning
for
a
long
time.
I
But
we
we
got
involved
to
assist
with
the
the
visioning
about
six
months
ago
and
to
see
where
we
are
today
is,
is
pretty
amazing
and
to
think
that
we've
come
this
far
and
have
just
a
couple
of
what
I
would
consider
fairly
minor
issues
on
a
500
acre
development
to
deal
with
at
this
point,
and
then
it's
really
exciting.
To
think
that
our
goal
is
to
hopefully
get
your
blessing
and
approval
tonight
on
the
the
concept
plan.
I
So
we
can
proceed
and
to
think
that
there
could
be
within
six
months
there
could
be
new
streets
out
there.
There
could
be
foundations
coming
out
of
the
ground,
for
this
elder
community
is
just
really
great
to
think
about
and
then
there's
the
the
future.
I
think
this
is
going
to
lead
to
I've
been
in
development
a
long
time.
I
think
this
is
going
to
lead
to
other
opportunities
to
follow.
A
Yes,
so
we
reviewed
it
twice
with
the
design
review
team,
which
is
made
up
of
various
staff
members
from
different
departments
and
divisions,
and
everyone
looks
at
their
areas
of
expertise
and
provides
their
comments.
And
the
the
only
two
comments
that
we
landed
on
were
the
ones
that
are
noted
in
the
staff
report
and
then
also
in
the
suggested
motion
as
conditions
to
the
approval.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
brandi.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
So,
in
regards
to
the
alley,
the
main
reason
that
was
pointed
out
is
well
there's
a
couple
reasons:
having
res
single
family
residential
lots
having
a
primary
and
sole
access
onto
an
alleyway
does
not
meet
the
the
terms
and
the
design
standards
and
the
requirements.
The
design
standards.
Alleys
are
defined
as
a
secondary
point
of
access
for
residential
lots,
as
you
would
commonly
see,
of
course,
primarily
in
the
older
part
of
town
when
alleys
were
more
prevalently
prevalently
built.
F
I
believe
they're
proposing
a
22
foot
alley
in
this
instance,
which
is
six
feet
narrower
than
the
private
street
section
that
we
would
otherwise
require
a
private
street.
Minimum
width
is
28
feet,
that's
to
help
meet
fire
code
access
and
things
like
that.
So
that
the
proper
fire
apparatus
have
access
in
case
of
an
emergency,
but
also
for
garbage
collection,
traffic
in
and
out
of
that
residential
area,
if
it
is
to
maintain
and
be
a
private
street,
that
28
feet
is
a
minimum
width.
F
You
know
readdressed
either
through
a
redesign,
or
you
know
the
option
of
installing
a
private
street
that
meets
the
private
street
design
criteria.
You
know,
I
don't
think
they
would
want
to
put
a
public
street
there
and
create
two
frontages.
That's
not
what
we
would
recommend,
but
you
know
there's
options
there.
As
far
as
you
know,
what
they
could
do
and
potentially
reconfigure
those
lots
in
some
manner,
or
I
mean
really
it's.
It's
kind
of.
I
use
the
etch
a
sketch
example
off
from
time
to
time.
F
D
A
I
I
think
we're
happy
that
we
can
proceed
with
phase
one
and
that
we
want
to
have
more
discussions
about
it,
because
we
actually
have
some
other
ideas
on
how
to
deal
with
it.
But
I
don't
think
it's
because
of
the
condition
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it
prevents
us
from
having
further
discussions
and
and
working
that
out
as
part
of
the
preliminary
plan.
We
certainly
want
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
I
I
So,
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
there
would
only
be
six
driveways,
the
entire
length
from
challenger
way
down
to
the
to
the
swale
on
the
south
side.
Before
you
go
into
the
rural
residential,
so
there'd
only
be
six
driveways
on
the
east
or
west
side,
and
then
on
the
on
the
east
side.
We
proposed
the
alley
again
only
to
minimize
driveways,
so
it
acted
more
as
a
collector
street
and
there
are
there's
some
other
ideas.
We've
come
up
with
that
you
know.
D
F
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
I
was
going
to
point
that
out
too
ours
design
standards,
don't
give
us
a
hard,
fast,
objective,
number
or
percentage
of
or
criteria
in
that
way,
it's
more
or
less
trying
to
use
best
design
judgments
when
it
comes
to
traffic
control
and
traffic
management
and
access
management
criteria,
and
when
you've
got
a
minor
collector
like
this,
and
I
think
mark
would
agree
when
you
got
this.
Many
lots
it.
It
wouldn't
bode
well
for
it
functioning
as
a
collector
if
they
were
all
dumping
out
onto
that
street.
F
We
do
have
examples
of
that
in
town
and
I
think
we've
all
observed
where
it
really
doesn't
function
that
great
for
those
residents,
at
least
with
19th,
for
example,
as
that
developed
and
grew
over
time.
We
ended
up
having
a
lot
of
residential
driveways
dumping
out
on
the
19th
street
on
the
east
side
of
town,
and
so
we
to
answer
your
question.
E
F
I
think
the
way
staff
has
written
this
up
it's
a
little
bit
unique,
is
that
we
recommended
approval
with
noting
these
the
two
formal
variances
that
they've
asked
for
and
then
the
other.
What
I
would
call
variations
that
we
want
to
note
to
continue
to
work
with
them
from
a
staff
standpoint,
we're
fine
working
with
them
on
a
per
phase
basis,
or
even
ahead
of
that
point.
F
So
as
they
come
in
with
each
phase
with
their
preliminary
planning,
we
realize
phase
one
being
of
critical
importance
here,
timing
being
of
the
essence,
this
alley
is
not
in
phase
one.
We
could
theoretically
have
that
discussion
some
point
a
year
or
years
down
the
road
when
they
get
to
that
phase.
So
long
as
it's
noted
in
the
case
files
under
the
approval,
this
concept
plan
that
that
was
a
concern
that
we
needed
addressed
that
was
staff
standpoint
on
that.
A
Yep
thanks
for
that
heath-
and
here
I
pulled
up
the
suggested
motion
in
the
agenda
packet
under
the
staff
report,
so
that
it
would
be
to
approve
the
concept
plan
of
harmony
hill
with
the
conditions
at
the
southwest
cul-de-sac,
labeled
as
harmony
circle
southwest
and
the
alley
to
the
east
of
the
north-south
minor.
Collector
labeled,
as
harmony
trail
southwest,
be
redesigned
during
the
preliminary
plan
phase
to
meet
the
engineering
design
standards
and
then
we'll
we'll
look
into
them.
At
that
point
in
the
project
or
in
the
phasing
too,.
K
Hi,
I'm
brad
johnson,
I'm
a
real
estate
appraiser
in
town,
I'm
also
a
long
time.
Supporters
of
the
sisters
and
couple
of
things
that
I
think
are
important
is
been
they've
really
come
forward
with
a
lot
of
creativity
on
this
development
and
from
what
I
understand
and
everything
the
staff
has
really
worked
well
with
them
and
a
lot
of
creativity
in
the
room.
K
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we,
maybe
we
take
the
creativity
a
little
bit
farther
and
take
this
opportunity
to
look
at
rather
than
trying
to
force
this
project
how
to
fit
into
the
design
standards.
Maybe
take
a
look
at.
Can
we
change
our
design
standards
in
the
time
that
we
have
to
maybe
meet
their
project
and
some
other
needs
in
the
community?
K
We
have
cul-de-sacs
in
this
town,
just
as
an
example.
Hidden
valley,
drive,
pompesca
drive,
marina
bay,
sunset
drive,
6th
street
circle,
they're
all
in
excess
of
a
thousand
feet,
hidden
valleys
almost
2000
feet,
so
we
have
that
type
of
a
thing
in
our
communities.
So,
by
limiting
it
to
500
feet,
maybe
we're
not
doing
the
right
thing
with
our
design
standards,
and
so
maybe
that's
something
that
you
guys
can
take
a
look
at
before
that
next
phase
comes
in.
K
In
addition
to
that,
they
have
a
part
of
their
lot.
That's
r2a,
which
I
don't
think
our
we
have
code
from
the
city
to
really
deal
with
that,
but
we
need
to
probably
think
about
adding
that
in
because
we
have
a
development
like
that
north
of
town
called
northwoods,
and
that
development
just
recently
had
a
sale
in
there
for
1.1
million
dollars.
K
I
just
you
know
punched
in
a
search
on
the
internet,
about
how
communities
deal
with
alleys
and
and
this
one
came
up
from
avondale
it's
in
arizona,
but
they
talk
two
things.
They
say
in
their
design
standards.
Alley
loaded
designs
are
desirable
to
eliminate
the
impact
of
the
garage
door
and
driveway
apron
and
the
streetscape
any
eliminate
access
conflicts
on
streets
with
higher
traffic,
and
it
also
says
alleys
are
also
encouraged
to
allow
homes
to
front
onto
parks
or
open
space
without
a
road
separating
them
from
from
their
homes.
K
So
you
know
our
design
standards
are
ours,
but
they're,
not
necessarily
the
only
ones.
So
maybe
we
can
take
our
the
time
we
have
to
see
if
we
can
modify
things
and
because
our
community
is
changing,
and
I
think
we
need
to
keep
pace
with
that.
But
I'm
excited
about
the
assisted
living
part
of
this
because
my
folks
are
in
their
80s.
G
G
G
The
sisters
have
asked
for
the
access
on
west
on
the
west
side
of
these
lots
to
be
an
alley
which,
in
certain
circumstances,
is
permissible
in
design
standards,
and
I
believe
this
to
be
one
of
those
instances
by
the
alley
being
the
access
into
the
homes
on
east
side
on
the
east
side
of
harmony
hill
trail
reduces
again.
The
access
onto
the
miner
collector,
also
a
street
next
to
the
elder
care
facility,
destroys
the
integrity
of
the
elder
care
facility
and
the
peacefulness
that
should
be
maintained
for
a
facility
like
this.
G
They
have
also
agreed
to
plant
trees
on
the
east
side
of
the
alley
to
buffer
the
care
facility
from
the
r1
homes
using
the
alleyway
as
access.
There
is
also
a
cemetery
that
would
immediately
border
that
alleyway
to
put
another
street.
There
makes
no
sense
financially
and
shows
no
sensitivity
to
whom
the
residents
in
the
immediate
area
are.
G
G
L
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
michael
clott
and
I'm
been
spent,
my
career
30
plus
years
in
the
twin
cities,
and
some
I
retired
at
the
end
of
2019
back
to
this
area.
I
live
in
south
shore.
I
grew
up
here
and
I
have
had
the
privilege
of
volunteering
for
over
a
year
now
with
the
sisters
in
their
goals
of
leaving
a
legacy
in
this
community,
and
it's
been
a
real
privilege
and
honor
to
do
that.
L
L
L
We
each
also
get
one
life
and
that
life
is
to
allow
us
to
inspire
hope
and
for
me
personally
and
working
with
the
sisters,
their
goal
and
their
legacy
is
to
continue
seeing
for
decades
and
beyond
what
this
community,
where
they
have
served,
can
now
serve
and
touch
others
lives.
For
with
that,
this
community
can
continue
to
inspire
hope
in
every
life
they
touch.
I
ask
for
your
support
for
this
work
and
we
want
to
keep
going
and
move
fastly
fast
now,
as
we
serve
the
sisters
and
their
needs
and
serve
the
community.
M
M
Hi,
my
name
is
burt
magstad,
I'm
the
director
of
operations
for
the
municipal
utilities.
First
of
all,
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
It's
nice,
to
see
something
going
up
on
harmony
hill
with
that
being
said,
I've
been
here
since
1995
took
a
small
sabbatical,
but
I've
been
here
since
1995.
the
whole
time.
I've
been
here
that
projects
that
land
in
that
area
has
always
been
kind
of
off
limits,
and
I
get
that
so
a
lot
of
the
facilities
that
we
have
built
never
have
their
thought
of
ever
putting
that
in
there.
M
M
We
can
probably
get
some
flows
for
fire
protection.
I
know
chip
has
some
issues,
some
concerns
with
that,
which
I
understand
we're
not
going
to
have
a
lot
of
pressure
for
the
time
being,
it's
going
to
take
quite
a
few
years
before
we
can
get
some
good
pressure
up.
There
there's
already
some
pressure
problems
and
it's
primarily
because
of
the
total
elevation
of
that
site
that
sits
up
on
a
pretty
big
hill.
M
When
you
start
to
go
up
the
hill,
you
lose
a
pound
every
two
feet
of
elevation.
We're
gonna
have
about
32
to
35
pounds
up
there.
We
like
to
drop
it
to
about
20
for
a
fire,
and
we
can
flow
about
1400
pounds
per
gallon
or
1400
pounds,
1400
gallons
per
minute,
I
meant
to
say
so:
that's
adequate
for
fire
protection,
but
the
mains
have
to
be
fairly
large
and
that
probably
leads
to
the
biggest
concern
that
we
have.
M
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
look
at
it
the
length
of
that
cul-de-sac,
750
feet,
give
or
take
by
the
time
the
water
flows
up
the
hill.
On
that
big
main,
the
volume
is
not
very
fast,
there's
not
a
lot
of
use
up
there
by
the
time
it
gets
up
there
and
gets
into
that
cul-de-sac.
There's
only
12
customers
or
12
lots
at
1700
feet.
The
water
tends
to
be
a
little
stagnant
then,
and
it's
more
of
a
health
issue
than
anything.
M
M
I
know
that
would
also
alleviate
some
concerns
for
garbage
collection,
snow
removal,
fire
response,
ambulance
response
things
like
that
1700
foot
on
that
far
of
a
dead-end
main
is
a
concern
of
ours,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
of
it.
I
know
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
that
right
now,
but
I
know
it's
been
the
resolution
that
it
just
wants
to
be
looked
at,
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
what
the
utility
standpoint
is
on
that
too.
We
agree
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
when
that
time
comes.
D
M
M
You
have
nothing
so
when
it
comes
to
fire
protection,
they
just
need
to
be
aware
of
that,
so
they
can
design
their
system
accordingly,
and
I
think
they've
already
done
that
with
their
existing
properties
and
we've
talked
to
them
already
about
that,
but
we're
trying
to
get
as
much
volume
up
there
as
we
can.
But
it's
not
only
volume.
It's
pressure.
If
you
don't
have
pressure,
it
doesn't.
Do
you
any
good?
You
got
to
have
something
to
pull
from
with
the
pressure
and
that's
going
to
take
some
time
to
get.
F
F
You
know
why
communities
will
commonly
put
a
maximum
length
on
their
cul-de-sacs,
sometimes
that
number's
arbitrary,
depending
on
the
community
you're
at
but
most
of
the
time,
there's
some
thought
put
into
it,
and
it's
not
just
to
do
with
the
street
length,
but
also
the
utilities
underneath
that
road,
typically
water
mains,
that
run
underneath
our
streets
in
a
cul-de-sac.
Configuration
they'll
run
down
that
cul-de-sac
and
then
they
stop
and
they
dead
end.
F
And
under
that
scenario,
like
birds,
alluding
to
that
creates
pressure
and
flow
issues,
primarily
when
it
comes
to
fire
protection.
And
so
when
you
have
long
dead
ends
like
that,
and
you
can't
meet
the
pressure
and
flow
requirements
for
fire
protection.
That's
one
of
the
issues,
but
then
the
other
one
is
also
water
quality.
If
you
don't
have
good
turnover
in
a
long
dead-end
main
water
quality
becomes
an
issue
as
well.
So
I
appreciate
that
context
bert,
because
it's
not
just
necessarily
the
street
concern.
F
F
So
all
those
things
combined
are
why
cul-de-sacs
are
typically
regulated
in
length.
I
do
know
you
know.
Obviously,
we've
got
some
longer
ones
in
our
community
that
have
been
built
in
the
past,
whether
those
cul-de-sacs
have
fire
flow
issues
or
water
quality
issues.
I
couldn't
speak
to
that
today,
but
those
are
some
of
the
reasons
why
we
look
at
those
cul-de-sac
links
and
try
to
minimize
them
or
put
a
maximum
to
them.
That
makes
sense.
G
E
I
was
scribbling
on
my
map
and
I
I
did
exactly
what
bert
was
talking
about.
I
I
connected
that
called
this
actually
for
the
same
reasons
and
I
wrote
on
there,
you
know
for
the
emergency
vehicles,
I'd
like
to
see
that
just
get
pushed
back
into
the
the
r1
back
there.
The
other
thing
I
I
I
have
no
problem
getting
this
pud
through.
E
Like
me,
you're
you're,
halfway
out
in
the
street
on
a
curb
and
now
you've
got
elderly
people
that
are
using
those
streets.
So
I
would
like
to
see
them
straightened
and
I
know
that
sounds
weird,
but
and
and
I
to
some
degree
I'm
sure
you're
gonna
have
hills
to
contend
with
and
and
maybe
lowlands
or
whatever,
but
so
give
that
some
thought
you
said
we're
all
better
together,
and
I
agree
with
that.
So
that's
my
my
input
is
to
to
straighten
them
out
and
I'll.
E
Give
you
my
copy
here
and
you
can
throw
in
the
garbage
later,
but
I
just
I
I
love
the
idea
of
the
curvy
roads,
but
my
thinking
is
the
older.
You
get
the
less
handy.
You
are
maneuvering
those
curves,
no
matter
how
slight
they
are
and
again,
if
there's
any
traffic
parked
on
the
road
it
just
you
know,
I'm
just
you
know
playing
devil's
advocate.
So
maybe
you
know
if
the
if
the
terrain
provides
for
it
to
be
straighter.
E
Maybe
we
just
do
straight
snow
removal
and
everything
is
just
easier
on
a
straight
than
it
is
for
your
snow
plow
to
try
to
you
know,
work
all
that.
So
those
are
my
suggestions
and
again
I've
got
an
idea
on
how
to
get
rid
of
the
the
alley.
In
the
back,
there
may
or
may
not
work,
and
some
of
you
will
be
familiar
with
like
where
father
jerry
lives,
maybe
all
been
out
there.
Okay,
so
his
driveway,
how
they
have
that
shared
and
they
have
an
area
to
back
up.
E
E
You
know
views
of
both
because
you're
going
to
have
beautiful
views
each
way,
but
it
gives
a
shared
driveway.
Those
two
occupants
share
that
so
there's
no
really
I
mean
they
both
have
to
clear
their
snow.
So
it's
kind
of
a
shared
and
that'd
be
something
right.
Well,
there's
my
drawing,
but
it
kind
of
makes
a
tea
in
there,
but.
E
No,
I
made
it
into
a
cross
for
you,
but
anyway
just
ideas.
So
again
I
I
I
like
he
said
that
the
backing
out
on
19th
street
is
is
terrible
and
obviously
we
want
it
to
be
busy.
So
you
can
keep
them
because
that
that's
you
can
do
with
what
you
want,
but
those
are
straightening.
The
roads
would
be
another
just
a
suggestion.
B
And
I
just
agree
with
that:
straightening
of
roads-
I
you
know
we
can
label
it
a
collector,
but
if
it
doesn't
feel
like
a
collector,
I
mean
if
this
right
now
it
yeah
if
you're
driving
on
it.
You
end
up
having
to
turn
that
that
just
doesn't
get
the
feel
of
a
collector
and
people
won't
use
it
as
a
collector,
and
you
will
get
a
situation
like.
We
have
east
of
19th,
where
there
is
no
collector
that
gets
used.
East
of
19th
people
come
to
19th
and
then
19th.
B
A
E
I
think
on
their
street,
though
they
so
it
would
be
off
of
second
there
and
then
you'd
have
the
two
homes
so
and
and
then
it
would
stop
there
at
that
lot
line,
because
you'd
have
a
place
to
reverse
your
car
and
then
pull
out
straight
instead
of
trying
to
back
out
into
a
heavy
traffic
at
least
you're
forwards.
You
know
facing.
D
A
E
A
E
Are
I'm
not
reinventing
the
wheel?
I
just
that's
what
I
see
and,
like
I
said,
we
want
to
definitely
get
you
moving
forward
on
whatever
concept
you
have
on
the
pud.
I
don't
care.
If
you
put
circular
roads
in
there,
I
think
that's
kind
of
its
own
little
unique
little
spot
so,
but,
as
you
spread
out,
then
I
just
think
that
you
know
maybe
just
changing
that
like
yeah,
but.
A
I
If
I
might,
could
I
address
some
of
the
questions
about
the
utilities
too,
so
the
water
and
sewer
we've
we've
had
discussions
with
the
utilities
and
we're
very
aware
of
the
issues
there
is
existing
booster
pumps
out
there.
Now
I
can
assure
you
that
safety
will
be
the
utmost
concern
fire
access
fire
protection,
so
we're
not
going
to
build
something
that
can
can't
provide
about
at
least
code
level,
safety
and
fire
protection
and
probably
will
exceed
exceed
that
at
some
point.
I
We
understand
that
there's
going
to
be
probably
some
new
mains
put
in
the
existing
water
and
sanitary
sewer
will
use
those
as
long
as
it's
feasible.
Even
if
we
need
more
booster
pumps.
But
then
the
plan
is
as
the
new
streets
go
in,
new
infrastructure
will
go
in
and
those
those
existing
utilities
which
kind
of
cut
right
through
some
of
the
property
anyway,
would
be
removed,
and
we
would
have
new
water
lines
and
sewer
lines
so
that
we're
in
total
agreement
on
that
we're
just
not
to
that
to
that
phase.
I
Yet,
as
far
as
the
sanitary
sewer,
we're
also
aware
that
if
there
needs
to
be
a
lift
station
at
some
point
down
the
road,
I
mean
that
that
may
have
to
happen
as
you
get
to
some
of
the
other
phases
that
are
in
lower
areas,
the
top
of
the
hill,
everything
will
run
downhill,
so
I
think
we're
good
there
and
then
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
streets.
One
of
the
things
that's
deceptive,
on
this
plan.
I
Being
that
it's
500
acres,
many
of
the
plans
you
look
at
may
be
5
or
10
or
20
acres.
The
curves
on
these
streets
are
not
as
dramatic
as
you
might
think,
because
you're
looking
at
500
acres
at
one
time
so
and
they
were
trying
to
be
really
responsive
to
the
existing
physical
conditions
on
the
property
to
make
those
streets.
Not
only
do
we
look
at
the
curves,
but
we
need
we
need
to
look
at
the
gradient,
the
grades
on
the
streets,
and
sometimes
it's
it's
fairly
steep
out
there.
I
I
So
I
think
there
that's
a
it's
a
little
deceptive
I
mean
the
the
radii
I
think
far
in
most
of
them
far
exceed
your
your
standard
requirements
for
for
street
curves
on
collectors
and
and
residential
streets.
So
just
the
comment
on
that.
The
other
thing
is
on
the
collector
street:
we're
going
to
work
again,
we'll
work
with
with
staff
to
come
up
with
a
a
good
solution.
I
think
again
some
of
your
ideas.
B
C
C
H
C
A
C
E
C
J
D
I
understand
the
individuals
concerns
about
you
know
conducting
their
their
kfo
operations
in
the
county.
You
know
the
issue
is
right.
Now,
as
the
city
grows,
the
city
grows
and
the
city
has
no
requirements
in
place
to
you
know
require
anybody
to
sign
some
sort
of
an
easement
or
a
waiver
as
the
city
grows.
Nor
does
the
county
require
the
city
to
sign
off
on
waivers
as
the
city
grows.
So
it's
really
I'm
guessing.
H
D
D
I
believe
the
county
is
a
long-ranging
history
that
you're
you're
operating
in
accordance
with
your
permit
and
the
county's
not
going
to
say
anything
about
it
as
long
as
you're
not
spreading
manure,
too
close
to
a
residence
or
too
close
to
a
road.
That's
the
only
thing
you
need
to
worry
about
from
a
county.
I
I
can
try
to
answer
that
question.
We
did
get
the
preliminary
report.
To
be
honest
with
you,
I've
been
busy
on
other
issues
on
the
development,
so
I
haven't
reviewed
the
report.
Yet
what
we
had
done
was
there's
been
47
soil
borings
done,
ranging
from
10
to
20
10
to
20
feet
deep.
It
all
is
in
phase
one,
because
that's
the
area.
We
need
to
to
figure
out
the
structural
capabilities
of
the
soils
and
what
the
top
soil
conditions
are
and
so
forth.
So
that's
what
we've
done
to
date.
I
Again
we
haven't.
I
don't
think
we've
reviewed
the
report
enough
to
to
comment
on
on
anything
else
on
it.
I
don't
think
there's
if
there
were
any
major
issues.
I
think
the
the
geotechnical
engineer
would
have
told
us
that
immediately,
but
he
just
submitted
the
report
to
us
and
asked
us
to
review
it
to
date.
So
we'll
have
more
information
on
that
as
as
needed.
I
D
I
think
the
issue
mr
chair
go
ahead.
Mr
case,
I
think
the
issue
is
is
that
there
was
a
lot
of
you
know
when,
when,
when
the
several
years
ago,
the
county
issued
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
something
of
a
a
rubble
site
that
was
where
there
were
materials
were
buried
from
a
demolition
project
that
happened
on
that
site
and
there
may
have
been
asbestos,
but
I
think
if
it
was,
it
was
abated
at
the
time
that
was
my
recollection.
That
was
even
though.
C
I
F
F
Heath
van
impe
here
public
works
director
city
engineer.
I
would
speak
briefly
to
that.
It
sounds
like
if
there's
been
mitigation
performed
as
far
as
any
presence
of
asbestos.
The
state
does
track
that.
Accordingly,
if
there
are
tests
performed
to
identify
asbestos
containing
materials
on
a
site,
the
states,
d,
e
and
r
have
specific
standards
that
have
to
be
met
in
order
to
mitigate
that
presence
of
asbestos.
F
So
I
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
is
I
believe
that
there
are
the
safeguards
and
protocol
in
place
that
were,
if
any
were
found
through
the
soil
reports
or
through
the
construction
of
any
new
buildings
on
this
site.
The
design
professionals
would
account
for
that.
Accordingly,
in
compliance
with
the
state.
B
F
J
We
do
have
some
old
business
and
if
the
plan
commission
would
like
we
could
go
over
the
revised
list
of
goals
quickly,
what
I
did
was
I
thank
you
all
that
took
the
survey.
It
actually
wasn't
as
easy
to
get
everything
out
of
that
nice
form
as
it
was
to
put
that
together.
So
I
just
went
back
to
the
list
for
simplicity's
sake,
and
we
can.
J
I
do
have
some
hard
copies
here
and
we'll
also
pull
it
up
on
the
screen,
and
I
can
direct
brandy
to
where,
where
it's
stored
at
so,
we
can
all
take
a
look,
but
what
I
did
was
I
prioritized
these
based
on
the
the
rankings
contained
within
that
survey,
so
so
it
is
going
to
be
under
planning
and
then
community
development,
stacy
and
then
under
goals,
and
then
I
think,
you'll
see
it's
the
only
word
document
in
there
list
of
goals
right
in
the
middle
okay.
Thank
you
brady.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
there
were
any
other
comments,
questions
or
if
the
board
feels
this
is
appropriate
to
move
forward
with
one
of
the
things
that
I
changed,
just
slightly
is
number
seven.
On
the
list
of
goals
for
2022,
those
are
administrative
changes.
I
just
wanted
to
keep
it
as
such
like
if
there
were
some
any
type
of
administrative
changes
that
were
maybe
adding
stuff
back
in
that
was
inadvertently
deleted,
or
you
know
things
that
we
consider
more
administrative
in
nature.
D
Stacey
this
this
is
todd
yeah.
I
I
want
to
thank
you
for
doing
this.
I
think
it
was
something
I
was
kind
of
suggested
when
it
came
out
and
made
me
do
some
work,
and
I
I
and
I
want
to
thank
the
rest
of
the
planning
commission.
You
know
for
their
participation.
I
think
it
helps
you
as
staff,
and
it
helps
us
as
the
planning
commission
to
kind
of
focus
our
efforts
and
what
it
is
that
we
think
is
important
and
how
we
want
to
you
know,
drive
our
planning
activities.
D
J
Well,
you're
you're
very
welcome
and
I
just
really
appreciate
working
with
the
planned
commission
as
well.
I
know
we
have
an
ambitious
list
of
goals
here,
but
we'll
just
try
to
to
address
those,
as
as
we
can
as
staff
and
we'll
utilize
those
folks
that
had
signed
up
for
committee.
So
if
you
haven't
signed
up
for
a
committee
or
have
a
particular
interest,
then
I'll
get
that
list
together
and
just
email
that
out
to
everyone.