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Board of Adjustment Meeting - 10-7-21
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Yes,
thank
you
jeff.
So,
as
jeff
stated,
this
is
a
conditional
use
request
in
the
downtown
district.
It's
a
c1
community,
commercial
at
the
corner
of
kemp
and
first
street
northwest,
and
so
they
are
asking
for
apartments
using
the
upper
floors
of
commercial
buildings
and
when
they're
asking
for
more
than
four
units,
it
has
to
come
before
the
board
for
a
conditional
use.
B
And
then
the
apartment
units
would
be
on
the
upper
floors
of
that
commercial
space,
which
is
slated
to
be
about
8,
000
square
feet
and
so
they're
planning
on
doing
62
units
and
when
we've
seen,
requests
like
this
come
before
the
board
parking
is
something
that
is
not
a
requirement
in
the
downtown
district.
But
it's
something
that
the
board
wants
to
review,
to
make
sure
that
there
are
some
that
that's
been
taken
into
consideration
and
with
this
application
they
do
plan
on
having
64
off
off
street
parking
spaces
and
then
adjacent
to
the
property.
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Okay,
thank
you
brandi.
Thank
you
for
that
introduction,
and
you
know.
62
apartments
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
this
was
planned
to
be.
46
of
them
are
just
single
bedroom
apartments
and
then
there
were
16
two-bedroom
apartments
and
that's
where
we
came
up
with
the
78
total
parking
spaces,
and
then
you
know
if
we
did
compare
that
to
what
we
require
in
many
of
our
other
districts.
It's
one
parking
space
per
bedroom.
So
that's
where
you
know
we
look
at
the
86
is
greater
than
78.
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Yeah
there
you
go
that's
better,
so
let
me
use
brandy's
cursor
here.
The
footprint
of
the
building
actually
gets
smaller
this
way
and
this
way,
and
so
what
we
do.
We
have
seven
parking
spaces
along
this
edge
and
we
have
20
ground
level
parking
spaces
throughout.
Here
we've
got
some
commercial
space
here
and
commercial
space
through
here.
This
area
is
intended
to
be
a
courtyard
area
and
just
kind
of
a
nice
area
where
you
can
put
picnic
tables
and
and
it'll
depend
on
what
the
businesses
we
have
are.
F
If
we
do
end
up
with
a
parking
issue,
I
kind
of
sketched
it
out
and
I
can
fit
another
seven
spaces
between
this
space
here
and
then
there's
actually
a
couple
parallel
parking
spaces
here.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
a
necessity,
but
but
if
it
is
obviously
as
as
developers
and
people
wanting
to
rent
this
out,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
sufficient
parking,
because
that's
going
to
make
us
successful
so
those
seven
spaces
or
potentially
14
spaces
through
that
little
courtyard
area
would
be
public
parking
spaces.
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F
You
know,
obviously,
there's
there's
it's
it's
a
downtown
site,
it's
a
it's
a
tight
site,
so
it'll
be
also
the
nice
part.
Is
you
don't
even
need
to
worry
about
screening
because
it
all
be
stored
indoors
and
the
sanitation
company
will
have
to
have
a
key
so
that
they
can
push
it
out?
Dump
it
push
back
in
so.
F
How
many
like
tenant
spaces
or
parking?
Okay,
we've
got
about
so
there's.
I
anticipate
it'll,
be
one
spot
on
camp
avenue
adjacent
there,
that's
about
two
thousand
square
feet,
and
then
we
have
eight
thousand
square
feet
on
the.
What
I
would
call
the
east
wing
there
that
I
would
anticipate
that
would
get
divided
up
into
anywhere
from
two
or
three
spaces
to
up
to
four
spaces.
So
we
may
carve
some
of
that
out
for
a
on-site
gym
or
some
some
area
for
tenants
as
well,
but.
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Jeff
this
is
full.
This
is
ford.
Go
ahead,
diana
I'm
happy
to
hear
the
developer
talk
about
that
courtyard
area,
and
I
would
hope
that
it
would
remain
that
way
while,
as
with
the
parking
playgrounds,
aren't
part
generally
considered
part
of
the
c1
requirements.
But
this
is
our
fifth
large
apartment
development
in
downtown.
Many
of
those
occupants
will
be
children,
and
that's
why
I
was
thrilled
to
hear
about
the
the
courtyard.
Will
there
be
any
playground
equipment
in
there.
F
That's
a
good
point:
I
don't
anticipate
putting
playground
equipment
in
there.
I
think,
typically,
our
demographic,
that
we
see
for
these
types
of
units
or
even
even
our
apartment
units
we
have
over
on
willow
creek
tend
to
be.
You
know
younger
the
younger
gen,
really
it
ends
up
being
up
to
30
before
they
have
kids
and
then
you
know
kind
of
50
or
55
and
over
the
empty
nesters
and-
and
I
would
anticipate
that
would
be
even
more
so
downtown.
So
of
course
there
can
be
kids,
there's
no
exclusions.
A
I
was
just
going
to
point
out
that
about
75
of
the
rooms
are
one-bedroom
rooms
which
usually
wouldn't
be
occupied
with
children.
I
mean,
usually
you
got
a
a
single
guy
or
gal
occupying
that
you
know
maybe
with
their
spouse,
but
usually
usually
you're.
Not
there
isn't
very
many
kids
in
a
one
bedroom
apartment,
so
that
might
limit
it.
Just
on
on
that
regards.
B
And
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
too
that
proximity
wise
for
this
project
and
then
where
the
downtown
plaza,
is
slated
to
go
that
and
it
will
include
playground
equipment.
It's
four
blocks
down,
so
that
is
nice.
Proximity,
then,
for
these
apartment
units
downtown
to
provide
that
recreational
outlet,
for
if
there
would
be
children
or
or
adults
that
wants
to
utilize
the
space.
So
lions.
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A
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
good
thing
to
have
on
record
and
I
I
can
see
where
you're
coming
from
with
the
legal
description
being
lots
three
through
seven
yadda
yadda
yadda,
including
vacated
alley
block
six.
So
I
see
where
you're
coming
where
it
says
vacated
alley.
But
that's
that
is
the
vacation
of
that
alley
is
nothing
to
do
with
what
we
are
doing
today
that
you
know
whatever
access
easement
is
now.
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C
We've
talked
about
it
in
in
previous
times
that
we
saw
this
property,
but
it's
certainly
in
keeping
with
the
the
redevelopment
goals
of
the
downtown
district
and
supporting
walkability
of
downtown
and
mixed-use
development.
So
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
project.
You
know
the
one
question
really
really
being
that
we've
got
enough
adequate
parking
and
I
think
the
the
parking
plan
that
was
submitted
is
is
pretty
good.
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B
Yes,
thank
you
jeff,
so
for
proximity
here
this
is
at
I'm
just
to
the
south
of
lions
park,
actually
along
third
avenue
and
then
the
vacated
portion
of
first
avenue
northwest.
It
has
double
frontage.
It's
the
lot
highlighted
here
at
603,
first
avenue
northwest,
and
so
this
property
is
zoned
i1,
light
industrial
and,
as
you
can
see
well
actually
the
i1
light.
Industrial
district
requires
30
000
square
feet
for
a
minimum
lot
size
and
this
lot
exists
and
was
planted,
and
this
slot
is.
B
Eleven
thousand
and
eleven
like
eleven
thousand
sixty
six
square
feet,
so
it
is
quite
a
bit
smaller
than
what
we
require
for
minimum
lot
size.
However,
it
has
been
previously
planted
and
has
existed
as
this
zoning
designation
for
quite
some
time,
and
so
that
is
why
we
do
we
broke
these
into
three
separate
variances,
because
we're
looking
at
a
side,
yard,
variance,
a
side,
yard
setback,
variance
and
then
also
just
for
the
construction
of
this
new
structure
on
an
i1
lot,
that
is,
that
doesn't
meet
the
minimum
lot
size
requirements.
B
Basically,
so
there's
a
provision
and
ordinance
that
allows
it
for
residential
and
it's
just
not
clear
with
commercial
properties
so
just
to
be
safe.
We
wanted
to
at
least
just
put
that
out
there
and
and
let
the
board
consider
that,
but
the
main
item
that
that
we
are
request
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
variance
for
is,
let
me
get
to
it
here,
get
off
this
one.
B
Oh,
I
thought
maybe
we
had
okay,
so
basically
a
10
foot,
side
yard
setback
instead
of
the
required
20..
So
the
i1
district
requires
20,
20
foot,
side,
yard
setbacks,
and
so
what
they're
planning
on
doing
is
demolishing
the
current
structures
which
are
residential
in
nature.
So
it
actually
brings
the
property
into
conformance
and
gets
rid
of
the
that
non-conformity,
and
then
they
would
build
a
new
industrial
property
and
actually
it's
a
it's
a
shop
for
their
business
to
still
store
their
material
and
they
do
tree.
B
Yeah
yep
and
then
in
milling,
so
it's
to
store
their
equipment,
and
so,
if,
if
they
with
the
slot
being
smaller
in
size,
they
would
only
be
able
to
utilize
20
feet
for
a
building
for
the
width.
If
they
adhered
to
the
20-foot
side
yard
setbacks
that
are
required
in
i1,
the
building
itself
would
only
be
able
to
be
20
feet
so
they're
they're
requesting
the
variants
for
10-foot,
side-yard
setbacks
and
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
for
board
questions.
A
Thank
you
brandi.
I
appreciate
that
introduction
yeah
this
this
one
is,
is
kind
of
interest
unique
in
that
you
know
our
our
ordinance
says
three
thousand
thirty
thousand
minimum
size
and
a
hundred
foot
minimum
lot
area,
but
this
plat
is
is
completely
platted.
It's
legal!
It's
it's
not
a!
You
know
west
40
feet
of
such
and
such
a
lot.
No.
This
is
lot
six
of
this
subdivision,
so
it
is
legally
platted.
A
So
you
know
this
was
before
that
ordinance
and
I-
and
I
kind
of
want
to
point
that
out
because
I
feel
like
when
we
wrote
these.
You
know
the
size
requirements
and
you
know
with
requirements.
You
know.
One
of
the
main
things
we're
looking
at
with
that
is
is
how
we're
doing
developments
moving
forward,
making
sure
that
they
have
the
proper,
proper
size
and
frontage.
I
mean
this
lot,
no
matter
what
use
they
want
to
do
would
always
have
you
know
those
restraints
under
our
current
zoning.
A
So
unless
the
city's
inclined
to
do
a
taking
on
this
property
and
say
that
this
property
cannot
be
developed,
those
variances
would
have
to
be
granted,
and
you
know
I
don't
think
the
city
is
looking
to
do
a
taking.
I
don't
think
we've
ever
went
down
that
road.
So
really,
when
I
look
at
this,
I'm
just
I
kind
of
look
at
it.
As
does
this
lot.
Util
meet
the
requirements
needed
to
utilize
a
10
foot
setback
rather
than
20.
You
know,
and
then
that
kind
of
goes
into
the
the
width
of
it.
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Yeah
this
is
mr
yackley.
I
live
next
door
to
the
lot
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
that.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
for
the
building
to
be
there
and
I've
always
been
concerned
about
about
the
setbacks.
So
I'm
really
glad
that
we're
here
doing
this,
that's
all
I
have
to
say,
but
I'm
totally
in
favor
of
it,
I'm
on
the
east
side,
I
think,
or
the
west,
I'm
on
the
west
west
side,
yep,
okay,.
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J
Okay,
my
name
is
gary
markman,
I
own
the
property
and
I've
been
in
the
tree
business
for
45
years,
and
I've
had
a
big.
I've
worked
for
the
city
of
worthington
from
1972
until
92
did
all
their
boulevard
trees
form
all
their
trimming
all
that
stuff.
Anyway,
then,
I
moved
to
brookings,
I've
been
there
nine
years
and
I've
got
a
nobody's,
no
complaints,
no
nothing
from
anybody.
J
And
anyway
this
I
decided
to
move
over
here
I
was
going
to
move
to
flanders
but
didn't
work
out.
I
got
the
house
bought,
but
not
not
a
place
for
a
shop
and
then
so
I
decided
to
move
further
north
and
give
it
a
try
over
here,
and
I
thought
you
know.
While
when
you
buy
a
place
for
a
business
I
have,
I
have
all
the
equipment
I
have
bucket
truck
law
grappled.
J
I
don't
do
stumps
no
money
in
that
and
I've
got
everything
and
but
anyway
I
when
I
look
at
that
lot,
I
go
location,
location
location,
that's
why
I
bought
the
lot
because
of
the
location
and
I
bought
it
over
the
phone
and
and
I
never
even
looked
at
it,
but
I
did
look
good
and
so
now
I'm
finding
out
all
this
stuff.
You
know
and
I'm
going
like.
Oh
man,
what
a
nightmare.
J
J
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J
J
Oh
yeah,
on
your
lot,
I
started
on
it
and
my
law
grapples
that
I
used
to
pick
the
trees
up
with.
I
was
going
to
take
it
down
with
that
and
it
was
a
there's,
a
big
turntable
right
in
the
middle
at
the
thing,
pivot
side
and
that
thing
shattered,
and
so
I
bought
a
new
circle
and
that's
in
the
process
of
being
put
on
a
truck
now
as
soon
as
I
get
it
on
I'm
coming
over
and
I'll
get
that
out
of
there.
J
I
like
doing
that
kind
of
stuff
that'll
reach
out.
What
is
it?
24
feet
goes
up
about
30
foot
in
height
little
left,
it's
got.
A
clam
opens
up.
72
inches
it'll
pick
up
ten
ten
thousand
pounds
like
it's
nothing.
You
know,
so
I'm
not
worried
about
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
don't
pick
it
up
and
haul
it
out
to
the
dump
and
get
rid
of
it,
but
I
I
need
this
building.
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C
I
I
think
these
these
kind
of
legacy-
lots
that
are,
you
know,
substandard
from
today's
planning
standards,
but
have
been
plotted
historically
predating.
The
the
current
setback
requirements
are
certainly
a
challenge
that
we
need
to
look
at
each
and
every
time.
The
unique
scenario
given
that
it's
the
i1
district,
with
the
setbacks
that
we
have
they're
a
60-foot
wide
lot,
if
you're,
only
looking
at
the
20-foot
side
yard
setbacks
on
either
side.
C
So
I
think
if
we,
if
we
did
the
math
on
this
lot,
it
would
leave
you
know
only
about
20
percent
buildable
area
according
to
the
current
standards,
which
is
not
really
a
very
reasonable
expectation
of
a
legacy
lot.
When
we're
looking
at
redeveloping
the
area,
I
think
in
in
general
terms,
it
does
meet
the
long-term,
comprehensive
land
use
plan,
redevelopment
area
for
a
use
such
as
this,
and
given
the
narrow,
lot
and
legacy
nature
of
this
operation,
the
size
and
setbacks
seem
reasonable.
C
A
H
There'll
be
the
petition
that
was
emailed
to
all
of
us.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
know
several
of
those
people
who
signed
that
petition,
but
I
have
been
in
contact
with
stacy
and
we
discussed
a
possible
conflict
of
interest
quite
thoroughly,
and
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
I
have
neither
a
direct
nor
an
indirect
pecuniary
or
personal
interest
in
this
matter.
Today.
A
B
Yes,
yeah,
thank
you
diana
and
thank
you
jeff.
So
this
is
a
variance
request
for
the
property
to
the
south
of
boge
avenue.
It
was
former
railroad
property
that
then
has
been
conveyed
now
to
the
current
owner
of
walford
properties,
and
so
what
they're
proposing
is
for
one.
The
zoning
designation
is
r3
multi-family
residential,
so
the
zoning
is
appropriate
for
the
12
plex
that
they
are
proposing
and
I'll
pull
that
up,
and
actually
I'm
going
to
pull
up
a
different
map
here.
Okay,
actually,
no
we're
going
to
walk
through
it.
This
way.
B
So
currently
the
property
is
plotted
as
one
lot
and
then
as
they
progress
with
the
project,
they
probably
will
subdivide
it
further.
But
if
you
notice
it
does
have,
this
property
is
very
narrow
and
then
also
it
is
encumbered
by
many
easements.
There
are
a
lot
of
storm
sewer
utility
pipes
running
throughout
that
area,
so
it
does
cause
difficulty
with
finding
with
having
buildable
space
and
so
what
they're
pro?
Let
me
pull
this
one
up
now.
B
So
what
we're?
Looking
at
today,
they're
asking
for
a
front
yard
setback
from
the
structure,
which
is
a
proposed
12
plex.
So
they're
asking
for
at
the
narrowest
part
here
that
that
setback
would
be
21.2
feet
and
in
the
r3
district,
when
you
have
a
12
plex,
the
front
yard
setback
is
typically
30
and
then
so
you'll
see
there
on
that
north
east
corner
it's
21.2
feet
and
then
on
the
northwest
corner.
It
is
26
feet
and
a
unique
thing
about
this
proposal.
B
Now
they
are
showing
them-
and
I
did
lay
this
in
here
to
the
current
platted
lot
just
so
we
can
see
it
holistically
of
what
which
area,
because
obviously
it's
a
very
narrow,
long,
narrow
piece
of
property
that
spans
the
entire
boge
avenue.
So
when
you
see
scaled
out
like
this,
they
will
be
going
in
by
15th
in
this
location
and
then
the
parking.
This
is
a
very.
This
is
narrow,
but
they
still
can
utilize
that
and
then
also
there
I'll
turn
on
the
utilities
here.
B
So
you
can
see
all
the
storm
sewer
outside
of
the
easements
just
for
so
yeah.
You
can
see
here
that
all
of
the
blue
lines,
the
dark
blue-
that
is
the
storm
sewer,
and
so
then
they
can.
They
can
utilize
that
area
for
parking,
and
then
they
have
a
like
just
small
windows
where
they
can
actually,
where
there's
actually
buildable
area
so
and
then
just
to
point
out
too
they
within
the
comprehensive
land
use
plan
for
future
land
use
of
this
area
it
it
is
shown
for
campus
and
multi.
B
Let
me
find
the
right
wording
there.
Medium
density
residential
is
the
sorry
if
it's
medium,
medium
density,
residential
within
that
area
to
the
south.
The
property
has
been
zoned
r3
previously,
so
that's
not
what
we're
acting
on.
It
is
just
for
the
front
yard
setback
from
21.2
feet
from
the
required
30..
A
A
A
Am
I
correct
in
my
statement?
Brandi?
Yes,
yes,
because
this
is
an
r3
zone
property
which
allows
a
12
plex,
and
it
can
be.
It
just
needs
to
have
that
the
30
foot
setback
in
the
front
yard.
So
if
you
know,
if
even
if
we
deny
this
application,
that's
in
front
of
us,
the
applicant
could
still
redesign
their
proposed
12
plaques
to
be
narrower
and
taller,
because
they're
allowed
to
go
up
to
55
feet
in
height
and
still
build
a
12
plex.
A
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
that
known
for
the
record
that
our
job
today
with
this
application
is
not
whether
or
not
a
12
plex
can
go
in,
but
whether
or
not
a
variance
should
be
granted
in
the
front
yard.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
that
clear
before
I
opened
up
the
public
hearing,
because
I
don't
want
us
to
go
down
the
road
of
talking
about
whether
or
not
it
should
be
a
12
plex,
because
that
is
not
something
that
this
board
can
address
at
this
meeting.
I
E
B
So
if
the
project
would
progress
and
they
would
meet
that
threshold
of
the
one
acre,
then
they
would
have
to
do
on-site
detention.
But
that
is
something
that
we
look
at
during
the
the
site
plan
review,
and
so
basically,
with
this,
we
that'll
be
that'll,
be
reviewed
after
the
variance
after
they
know
if
they
can
move
forward
with
submitting
plans
and
whatnot,
but
most
likely
that
threshold
will
not
be
met.
E
But
still
just
just
wondering
because
the
parking
lot,
so
all
the
water
from
the
parking
lot
is
going
to
go
right
into
that
storm
sewer,
but
right
now,
obviously
from
bogue
avenue
and
stuff.
It
runs
right
over
this
property
already
right,
it
would
go
in
the
storm
sewer
as
it
goes.
If
there's
like
a
water,
a
rain
incident,
the
water
goes
right
to
there.
B
So
actually
these
storm
sewer
pipes
are
very
large,
and
so
they
do
have
capacity
to
take
that
on
and
so
when
you're,
not
when
you're
under
the
one
acre
of
impervious
surface,
then
the
storm
sewer
can
handle
it.
And
so
right
now
you
know
there's
the
area
is
bermed,
so
when
that
comes
down,
they
would
make
sure
that
the
drainage
would
run
to
the
storm
sewer
or
to
the
back
to
that
pond,
and
it
would
be
accommodated
that
way
and,
like
I
said
these
pipes
are.
E
B
A
Thank
you
for
that.
For
that
question
and
clarification,
I
will
open
up
the
public
hearing.
I
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
today
to
speak
on
this
item
I
mean
I
just
I
ask
that
we
try
to
be
brief
and
not
reiterate
something
that
someone
else
has
said.
I
mean
we
can
say
that
you
know
we
second
it,
but
you
know
to
just
try
to
keep
the
meeting
moving
along
in
a
timely
manner.
K
Hi,
my
name
is
stella
ingerbetson
and
I
live
at
bogan
16th
and
I
guess,
if
you
take,
when
we
moved
into
our
house
in
04,
we
had
to
follow
the
rules
we
had
to
have
the
right
ordinances.
We
couldn't
build,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
speak
very
good
publicly
and
we're
not
against.
We
know
he's
gonna
build
at
some
point.
We
just
don't
want
it
nine
feet
closer
to
my
house
when
you
take
that
21.2
from
the
middle
of
the
road
to
the
front
of
his
apartment.
K
Building
you
think
about
how
close
that
is
nine
feet.
Closer
is
a
lot
and
I
get
you
know.
We
know
where
he's
going
to
build
something
I
mean
it's
his
property.
We
get
that
it's
just
the
idea
that
and
we
are
worried
about
the
retention
pond
back
there,
not
only
for
the
fact
of
if
the
water
is
going
to
drain
right.
You
can
say
it's
going
to
drain
right,
but
if
something
screws
up
in
construction-
possibly
it's
not,
but
also
you
got.
K
If
what,
if
little
kids
move
in
there,
then
you
got
a
holding
pond
back
there.
That's
another
concern
for
us
plus.
I
don't
want
to
look
at
a
tall
building
right
across
the
street
from
me
and
then,
if
he's
going
to
keep
going
down,
the
property
only
gets
skinnier,
so
you
can't
keep
building
12
flexes
all
the
way
down.
I
mean
you
know
I
get.
K
He
gets
to
build
something,
but
I
in
my
feeling
I
think
he
needs
to
be
scaled
down
and
I
think
if
they
make
ordinances
for
a
reason
that
we
should
stick
with
them.
You
know
I
didn't
get
to
change
my
ordinance
when
I
moved
in
that
house
and
lots
of
other
people
have
added
on
and
done
lots
of
things
and
I
just
think
build
what
you
want
but
follow
the
ordinances
they're
in
place.
For
a
reason,
I
guess
that's
all.
I
have.
L
L
L
L
I
don't
want
him
to
build
there.
That's
a
skinny
skinny
piece
of
land
if
he
wants
to
take
the
berm
down,
fine,
take
it
down,
but
don't
put
anything
there
and
take
her
land
you're.
Taking
parts.
Look
at
the
house
down
there,
taking
apart
that
one
you're
taking
right
up
to
there
he's
taking
everything.
That's
where
the
variance
goes
there
so.
B
If
I
could
clarify
so
that
they
can't
take
any
property
that
somebody
else
owns,
so
they
would
not.
This
variance
is
just
the
setback
from
the
the
front
property
line,
and
in
this
area
this
would
be
a
side
yard.
Actually
it
wouldn't
be
a
front
yard.
It
will
be
subdivided,
so
this
is
only
for
this
portion,
which
will
become
lot
too.
I
think
so,
none
if
somebody
has
pro
if
somebody
has
built
on
somebody
else's
property,
then
that's
a
civil
issue,
but
it's
nothing
that
this
variance
would
be
granting
so.
L
A
A
And
that
that
berm
is
is
currently
the
applicant's
property
they
own,
the
I
believe
they
own
this
whole
stretch
and
right
now,
they're
looking
to
subdivide
and
put
a
a
12-plex
down
farther
west
on
bogue
avenue,
but
but
where
the
property
line
is
will
remain.
The
question
is,
is
what
setbacks
should
should
be
allowed
the
ordinance
states,
a
30-foot
front
yard,
15
foot
side
yards
and
a
25
foot
back
yard,
and
so,
with
this
application?
A
That's
in
front
of
us,
they're,
they're,
meeting
the
side
yards
and
the
backyard
and
they're
just
requesting
for
a
variance
on
the
front
yard
from
30
feet
down
to
21.2
feet,
which
is
still
which
is
22
or
21.2
feet
from
the
property
line.
That's
is
is
as
close
as
their
building
would
be
to
the
property
line.
L
So
they're
not
going
to
come
in
and
mess,
I
mean
I
agree
with
her.
This
should
not
be
allowed
because
they've
been
there
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
now
he
wants
to
come
in
and
put
up
a
big
whatever
yeah,
I
don't
care.
If
he
builds
build,
we
knew
it
was
coming,
but
don't
start
messing
with
the
neighborhood
there's
nothing
wrong
with
the
neighborhood
build
small
little
houses.
Don't
do
whatever
all
this
crap
as
you're
doing.
N
N
N
N
As
you
can
see,
it
turned
out
pretty
good
by
the
board.
Turning
me
down,
we
found
a
building
pattern
that
would
work
and
that's
why
these
setbacks
are
put
in
place
not
to
put
a
building
oversized
for
the
piece
of
land
you
own,
terry.
I
hope
I
hope
it
works
out
for
him.
He
should
build
something
there.
He
owns
the
land,
but
to
put
a
building
on
that's
larger
than
that
can
accommodate
that
the
land
can
accommodate
is
a
mistake.
N
N
N
D
D
D
I
also
asked
him,
you
know
what
was
being
built
and
he
did
say
that
they
were
three
bedroom
units
as
a
landlord
and
as
an
attorney
who
represents
a
crap
ton
of
landlords
like
50.
Probably
I
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
people
that
need
three
bedroom
units
to
rent.
I
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
development
going
on
downtown,
but
those
are
mostly
single
right.
D
Not
actually
I
mean
yeah,
there's
two
driveways
or
side
driveways,
but
they're
not
actually
entering
onto
bogue.
So
it's
not
like
they're,
if
you're
sitting
in
your
front
yard
or
your
backyard
and
you're
looking
straight
out
you're
just
looking
at
another
neighbor,
it's
not
like
you're
looking
at
an
apartment
building,
but
even
if
you
are,
I
mean
this
whole
area
is
zoned
for
that.
So
I
guess
I
wasn't
even
really
understanding
what
the
big
deal
was,
but
in
all
fairness
I
don't
live
there.
I
own
a
building
there.
D
So
I
own
a
residential
unit
and,
as
I
reached
out
to
my
tenant,
could
care
less
but
anyway,
so
that's
just
my
two
cents.
It's
a
convoluted
lot.
It's
one
building
sounds
like
the
drainage
is
taken
care
of
and
as
far
as
accommodating
economic
development
and
the
need
for
three-bedroom
units
yeah,
it's
a
need
that
needs
to
be
met.
So
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
A
K
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing:
I
get
that
we
need
family
units
here
I
get
it,
but
it
also
doesn't
need
to
be
on
the
little
tiniest
little
lot.
Where
are
those
kids
going
to
play?
What
are
they
going
to
do
if
you
build
that
apartment,
building
that
big
you're
going
to
have
kids
in
it
right?
That's
what
she's
saying
she
wants
place
for
kids,
where
they're
going
to
play,
there's
going
to
be
no
grass
there's
going
gonna,
be
nothing
but
a
parking
lot.
K
O
O
This
is
this
is
a
front
yard,
so
it
is
across
the
street
from
them,
and
if
you
look
at
that
map,
if,
if
you
were
to
take
some
of
those,
I'm
going
to
guess
those
double
front
yards
on
those
corner
units,
some
of
them
are
are
are
built
into.
You
know,
because
you
look
at
the
the
size
and
how
close
some
of
those
houses
are
to
that
street
bogue.
O
It
looks
like
maybe
that
some
of
those
might
fall
into
this
this
this
area,
where
they're
they're
over
the
line
here.
Nor
there,
though
you
know,
I
hear
comments
about
height.
Well,
they
can
go
higher.
You
know
you
could
go
skinnier
and
higher
and
have
even
a
bigger
wall
there.
You
can
design
a
building,
that's
kind
of
be
careful
what
you
wish
for
type
of
thing,
they're
able
to
build
on
the
land.
There's
storm
sewers
behind
them,
the
community.
O
You
know
mia's
he's
my
competition
he's
also
my
cousin,
so
but
but
I'm
getting.
Those
calls
we're
getting.
Those
calls
they're
having
to
pay
more.
Some
of
the
students
can't
even
come
here
or
or
they're
saying
it's
900
for
one
bedroom
to
come
here.
You
know:
building
building
rooms
closer
to
campus
with
more
bedrooms,
opens
up
the
opportunity
for
that
that
that
school
to
grow
and
we
desperately
are
going
to
need
it.
O
I'm
and
like
I
said,
I'm
I'm
I'm
the
competition,
the
the
more
I
can
charge
the
better,
but
it's
a
need
in
this
community
and-
and
I
think,
if
you
ask
anyone-
you
know
even
up
at
the
school
or
or
landlords
that
are
getting
the
phone
calls,
I
mean
I'm
I'm
turning
people
away,
which
means
that
the
community
might
be
turning
people
away.
So
just
something
to
keep
in
mind.
You
know
I
I
I
feel
for
the
neighbors
I've
been
up
here
and
have
had
to
ask
for
things
similar.
O
That's
what
this
board
is
for,
but
to
say,
hey,
we
don't
want
kids
buy
a
pond.
That's
not
what
we're
here
for
today.
We're
here
for
today
is
nine
feet.
Not
where
are
they
going
to
play?
Not
how
high
the
building
is
it's
the
nine
feet
so
just
wanted
to
throw
my
support
out
there.
I
think
we
need
this
for
the
school.
I
think
you
know
when
you
look
at
students
coming
into
the
community.
It's
a
good
thing.
N
N
It
is
your
guys
job
as
a
board
to
say:
is
this
a
good
fit
for
this
building?
Yes,
he's
going
to
build
something,
but
you
guys
are
giving
the
okay
to
break
the
rules
to
get
it
fit
in
there.
I
think
it's
wrong.
Yes,
he
can
build
there,
but
I
don't
think
any
special
exception
should
be
made
at
this
time.
N
N
We
own
the
same
building.
She
said
that
the
drainage
was
taking
care
of
her
address.
I
asked
brandi
this
morning
in
her
office
when
I
came
up
to
put
my
development
up,
I
needed
a
site
plan
on
all
the
drainage,
not
just
the
first
structure
I
put
up
because
what
happens
if
that
structure
is
put
up
the
pavements
all
sloping
the
wrong
way.
He
comes
up
two
years
with
a
different
structure
in
the
pond
in
the
center,
and
now
all
the
parking
lots
are
sloped
to
the
street.
N
B
Yes
and
just
speak
on
that,
he
will
be
subdividing
this
lot,
so
we
would
look
at
it
at
the
per
lot,
so
it
right
now.
It's
just
the
one
lot
they'll
want
to
look
at
it
comprehensively,
but
when
we
look
at
a
site
plan
it
is
a
per
lap
basis.
So
if
they
do
leave
it
all
as
one
then
we
we
would
look
at
it.
That
way.
I
M
But
hi
chance
walford
with
walford
properties,
so
as
to
what
doug
was
saying,
the
problem
we're
having
our
hardship
right
now
is
to
get
between
those
two
pipes.
I
would
love
to
go
narrower
and
wider,
but
I
can't-
and
the
reason
we
want
to
do-
12
units
is
to
maximize
the
use
of
the
lot.
We
have
this
other
unbuildable
lot
to
the
west
of
us,
which
we
can
put
a
lot
of
parking
in.
I
think
I
can
probably
get
80
parking
spots
in
that
lot.
M
We
only
drew
had
darwin
draw
you
37
for
this,
but
if
we
build
a
four-plex
there,
it
doesn't
do
any
good
to
have
that
much
land
for
parking
when
we
only
need
12
parking
spots,
so
our
hardship
really
is
the
sewer
lines
and
as
to
everybody,
worried
about
the
retention
pond,
we
owned
the
retention
pond.
We
gave
the
retention
pond
back
to
the
city,
because
the
city
had
like
two
million
dollars
into
that
pond
and
we
didn't
want
anything
to
happen
to
it.
So
we
gave
it
back
to
them.
We
could
have
kept
it.
M
M
No
we're
trying
to
replicate
the
size
of
a
four
plex.
We
built
two
blocks
away.
We
like
the
size
of
the
rooms,
the
tenants
really
like
it,
they're
spacious,
you
have
the
plan
of
it
and
if
we
shrink
it
down,
the
rooms
are
gonna,
get
really
small.
They're
gonna
get
packed
in
there
and
the
problem
with
the
12
plex
is.
We
need
the
middle
hallway,
where
the
four
plex
we
didn't
need
the
hallway.
So
the
four
plex
was
only
48
foot
wide.
M
P
Hi,
I'm
roger
reese.
I
live
on
the
end
of
bogue
and
18th.
My
question
is:
if
you
give
them
a
variance
on
this
property
right
here
now
from
what
I've
seen
it's
all
zone,
one,
it's
lot
one!
It's
all
considered
lot,
one
that
whole
piece
of
properties
lot
one!
Am
I
wrong?
No,
so
if
you
give
it
to
him
there
what's
to
say
he
can't
come
across
the
street
from
my
house
and
do
the
same.
Damn
thing.
B
P
A
Variances
go
with
the
structure
now
with
the
lot,
so
each
and
every
lot
or
shed
or
garage
needs.
Its
own
approved
needs
to
be
approved.
So
if
even
if,
if
this
is
granted
or
denied-
and
they
came
with
any
other
requests
that
were
less
than
the
30-foot
minimum,
even
if
we
granted
or
denied
this,
they
would
have
to
come
before
us.
P
P
P
We
were
told
by
the
railroad
long
time
ago
that
the
adjacent
landowners
were
going
to
have
first
chance
to
buy
that
property,
and
I
talked
to
the
railroad
several
times,
and
so
did
the
other
neighbors
he's,
not
there
no
more,
but
he
talked
to
him
too,
and
they
completely
told
us
that
the
railroad
was
gonna.
We
were
gonna,
be
the
first
ones
to
get
first
shot
at
buying
that
land
or
getting
that
land
all
of
a
sudden.
One
day
I
walk
up
and
there's
some
guy
up
there
surveying.
A
P
A
P
Actually,
I'm
getting
tired
of
looking
at
that
goddamn
grass
growing
this
high
that
they
don't
take
care
of.
When
I
took
care
of
that
land
for
the
railroad,
I
did
it
with
a
weed
eater.
I
don't
care
how
they
got
to
do
it.
They
should
take
care
of
it
with
a
weed
eater.
I
haven't
been
up
here,
bitching
about
it,
but
I
probably
should
have
and
I'm
sure
everybody
else
down
that
street
sure
don't
like
the
looks
of
that.
F
I'd
just
like
to
come
up
here
and
get
my
name
in
the
public
record.
This
is
eric
scott.
No,
I
don't
have
a
horse
in
this
race,
I'm
just
a
community
citizen.
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
this
particular
project.
I
recall
similar
conversations
on
on
other
developments
and
lati.
All
I'd
say
is
just
consider.
Lati
is
a
is
a
huge
economic
driver
for
our
community
and
whether
it's
lati
or
just
the
general.
We
have
a
lot
of
apartments
too,
and
they
are
needed.
F
I've
asked
for
variances
on
other
properties,
because
there
are
wonky
spaces
and
and
strained
space
spaces,
and
you
know
I
think
they've
come
up
with
a
creative
use
to
get
the
density,
that's
that's
appropriate
or
that
you
need
to
make
a
project
work
and
that
the
community
needs
and
latc
needs,
and
you
know
to
the
point.
I
guess
one
thing
that
stood
out
to
me
in
the
conversation
is:
is
the
setbacks.
F
Those
things
are
there
for
a
reason
and
as
brandy
alluded
to
initially
a
lot
of
that
is
for
driveway
setbacks
and
things
like
this,
and
so
there
is
some
nice
green
space
and
some
buffer
between
the
road
and
the
building,
rather
than
just
parking
lot
there.
So
you
could
go
longer
and
wider.
Now
you've
got
parking
lot.
You've
got
people
backing
right
out
onto
the
road
which
causes
a
potential
safety
issue
rather
than
you
know,
rather
than
being
able
to
turn
around
in
a
parking
lot
and
go
out
that
direction.
A
A
A
E
The
one
that
I
have
is
build
to
the
ordinance
built
into
what
you
have
to
do
and
that's
why
we
have
the
rules
is
for
the
setbacks
and
with
all
of
them
that
drainage
and
stuff-
I
I
don't
know,
that's
a
lot
of
hard
service
for
the
water
to
run
underneath
over
around
it.
Just
I
don't
know
it's
a
funny
shape
lot
build
to
the
ordinance.
That's
why
we
have
them.
I
mean
like
doug.
C
The
the
scope
of
the
question
really
is
around
that
setback
requirement
right
and
when
we
look
at
the
available
lot
that
the
applicant
has,
while
there
are
some
unique
factors
to
it,
it's
a
substantial
amount
of
square
footage.
Not
just
what's
you
know,
highlighted
there
on
the
screen,
but
the
applicant
owns.
You
know
that
that
entire
stretch
of
land
there
there's
multiple
configurations
that
could
be
put
on
this.