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Public Works, Finance & Safety Committee Meeting - 02-16-2021
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B
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B
A
Thank
you
item
four
is
public
input,
and
this
is
the
time
reserve
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
step
forward
and
do
so.
Please
state
your
name
into
the
microphone
for
the
record
before
making
your
comment
and
if
your
comment
is
related
to
an
agenda
item.
Please
wait
until
that
agenda
item
is
taken
up
by
the
council
and
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes.
Is
there
anyone
who
would
like
to.
A
A
Item
six
is
the
regular
agenda
and
a
is
approval
to
purchase
a
toro
4500
rough
mower
for
cattail
crossing
golf
course
through
source,
well,
contract
pricing
at
a
contract
price
of
sixty
eight
thousand
two
hundred
forty
one
dollars
have
a
motion
by
lollum
and
a
second
by
holine
and
I'll.
Ask
our
park
rec
and
forestry
director
terry
kelly,
to
explain
this.
F
Okay,
thank
you
mayor
good
evening
or
afternoon
members
of
the
council.
What's
before
you
this
evening,
is
requesting
permission
to
purchase
a
rough
mower,
a
toro
4500
off
of
source.
Well,
what
happened?
Normally
this
would
be
part
of
the
budgetary
process.
This
machine
went
out
very
late.
All
completely
lost
its
motor.
F
It's
a
model
that
is
discontinued,
but
it
is,
I
put
in
the
the
information
is
an
o5.
It's
actually
an
o3,
so
it
served
us
well,
but
it
looks
like
it
needs
replacement
the
funding.
Since
it's
unbudgeted,
I've
met
with
kristin
the
funding
for
this
would
come
50
000
from
the
golf
course
restricted
fund
and
the
balance
of
eighteen
thousand
two
forty
one
would
come
from
the
general
park
and
rec
unrestricted
fund
to
purchase
this.
So
no
general
fund
requirement.
F
B
I
couldn't
get
my
viewed
off
here.
Terry
was
it
the
thank
you
mayor
was
it
jacobson?
Is
that
the
brand
that
we
had
so
much
trouble
with
and
that
when
it
came
to
repair
that
we
couldn't?
That
was
that
was
a
few
years
ago
now?
But
there
was
one
brand
and
I'm
I
don't
think
it
was
toro,
but
I'm
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
jacob
that
it
was
a
jacobson
and
not
toro
that
we
had
all
that
trouble
with.
F
Yeah,
it
was
a
jacobson
that
we
had
a
lot
of
issues
getting
repaired,
and
that
was
a
couple
years
back.
We
did
get
a
kubota
out
there
as
well
and
it
the
tier
four
in
the
rear
discharge
or
the
side
discharge
wasn't
working
well
with
with
the
golf
course
that
mower
sense
was
transferred
down
to
parks
and
is
actually
now
within
the
fire
department
station
too,
but
torah
we've
had
excellent
luck.
F
D
F
Absolutely
great
question:
the
rough
mowers
are
actually
blade
style,
no
different,
that
you'd
have
at
your
home.
This
is
a
five
deck
unit
that
has
independent
blades
for
rough.
It's
not
a
essential
cut
or
a
pres
pristine
cut
as
you'd
see
within
the
fairway
and
the
greens
mowers.
So
what
you'll
see
is
five
decks
on
this?
They
got
rotary
blades
where
you'll
see
the
fairway
mower
and
the
greens
mowers.
Those
are
actually
rotary.
Those
have
reels
because
of
the
depth
that
we
cut.
You
know
it's,
it's
definitely
a
precision
cut.
F
F
A
A
G
Absolutely
thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
good
afternoon,
to
the
public
works
committee
for
and
thanks
for
listening
to
all
the
items
we
have
to
go
through
tonight.
We
have
a
handful
again
this
evening,
starting
off
with
the
houston
engineering
contract
that
we're
proposing
I've
gone
through
this
with
the
landfill,
the
solid
waste
superintendent,
mike
berger
who's
online
with
us
tonight.
We
also
have
a
representative
from
hgi
dennis
mcalpine.
G
There
are
also
a
couple
of
subsidiary
items
that
are
included
in
this
design
fee,
which
help
accomplish
a
couple
tasks
out
of
the
landfill
in
as
a
whole.
Generally
speaking
as
well,
they
include
some
perimeter,
storm
water
improvements,
adjacent
with
the
adjacent
cells,
one
and
two,
and
also
a
rehabilitation
on
some
of
the
asphalt
surfacing
area
where
a
lot
of
the
compost
is
handled
and
mixed
and
hauled
in
and
out
throughout
the
season.
G
But
the
brunt
of
the
feed
is
associated
with
the
design
of
landfill
cell
number.
Seven,
and
mike
berger,
like
I
mentioned,
is
online
and,
along
with
a
consultant,
this
is
anticipated
to
take
place.
Construction
in
2022,
so
we'd
be
gearing
up
for
that
construction
planning.
We
stand
by
for
any
questions
you
might
have.
A
A
Thanks
for
tuning
in
dennis
all
right
item
c
is
approval
of
change
order
number
one
with
gray
construction
company
for
the
airport
terminal
project
number
1927
for
an
increase
of
sixty
thousand
six
hundred.
Ninety
three
dollars
for
a
new
project
contract
amount
of
ten
million.
Two
hundred
ninety
two
thousand
six
hundred
ninety
three
dollars.
F
A
G
Yes,
absolutely
thank
you
again,
mayor
I'll
start
off.
This
came
as
a
recommendation
through
our
consultant,
mead
and
hunt
and
co-op
architecture
meet
and
hunt
representative
mitch.
Walker
is
here
with
us
in
the
room
this
evening
to
help
answer
any
questions
and,
of
course,
a
sub
consultant,
underneath
him
is
co-op
architecture,
who's
doing
a
lot
of
the
on-site
inspection
of
the
construction
progress
at
the
new
airport
terminal.
G
G
If
you
recall,
we
did
just
recently
take
action
to
authorize
the
city
engineer
to
sign
off
on
some
of
the
more
nominal
change
orders
to
keep
the
progress
moving
forward.
What
we
have
before
the
council
in
the
public
works
committee
tonight
is
one
of
those
that's
a
cumulative
effect
to
where
we
felt
it
was
appropriate.
The
consultants
felt
was
appropriate
to
get
it
approved
by
the
the
the
council
and
then
move
it
on
for
formal
faa
approvals.
G
This
document
here
that
kind
of
outlies
outlines
the
specifics
to
for
the
change
order.
One
of
them
is
a
little
over
thirteen
thousand
dollars.
It's
related
to
cold
weather
construction
work
specifically
for
cold
weather,
concrete
placement.
There
was
some
ground
heating
and
thawing
that
had
to
occur
in
order
to
do
some
of
the
foundation
work
that
was
required
in
the
time
of
the
year
that
the
contractor
got
started.
G
So
really
it
was
an
unavoidable
expense
as
far
as
the
the
climate
and
the
the
winter
and
freezing
conditions
that
were
incurred
at
this
point
in
the
progress
of
the
work,
some
other
subsidiary
items
that
this
relates
to
one
of
the
larger
ones
is
a
little
over
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
for
temporary
security,
fencing
the
the
perimeter
location
of
the
exact
fencing
was
adjusted
and
included
the
area
of
the
apron.
That
was
an
add-on.
G
There
were
some
small
sanitary
sewer
modifications
ended
up
being
a
credit
to
the
tune
of
a
little
over
a
thousand
dollars,
and
we
have
a
eight
inch
gate
valve
and
some
lentil
details
here
as
well
that
I'm
sure
mitch
or
todd
could
help
talk
through.
If
we
have
questions
on
those,
the
brunt
of
the
change
order
is
to
the
tune
of
60
693
and
again.
G
H
H
Our
bid
holds
to
coincide
with
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
because
all
grants
need
to
be
completed
by
that
time
we
ran
into
a
situation
with
the
faa,
where
that
grant
period
ended
up
extending
out
actually
into
november.
So
we
had
a
bid
hold
that
that
held
through
october,
but
or
into
october,
about
the
middle
part
of
october,
which
we
thought
would
have
been
absolutely
fine
and
you
know,
would
have
worked
well
with
it.
H
When
the
faa
grant
just
was
held
up
in
bismarck.
You
know
we
that
that
hold
period
for
bidders
to
hold
pricing
sort
of
let
and
then
you
know
they
would
have.
They
would
have
added
these
winter
conditions
allowances
to
their
number.
If
they
known
you
know
if
they
known
that
they
would
have
that
that
their
the
contracting
would
have
extended
into
november.
H
So
had
the
faa
gotten
their
grant
out,
which
they
do
typically
every
year
by
the
end
of
september,
we
would
have
been
just
fine,
so
we've
been
working
with
the
with
great
construction
to
really
understand.
You
know
why,
and
you
know
what
is
going
into
into
this,
but
we
feel
the
number
is
is
pretty
well
accurate.
A
H
G
We
should
I'll
emphasize
the
word
should
we
should
see
the
most
of
any
cold
weather
additional
costs
under
this
change
order
right
here
there
isn't
any
more
foundational
work
to
do,
or
things
like
that
that
would
cause
additional
ground
heating
or
additional
expense
like
that.
If
I'm
crack
right
mitch,
that's.
D
H
No,
that
share
will
be
that's
that
that
should
be
in
the
ballpark.
That's
what
we're
requesting.
So
what
we
do
is
we
we
put
what
we
feel
is
reasonable
in
front
of
the
faa
and-
and
they
have
this
number
with
the
full
packet
and
they
they
understand
our
justification
for
requesting
those
funds,
including
the
winner,
construction
allowances
and
and
then
they'll
they'll
rule
on
them,
and
so
we're
just
awaiting.
You
know
that
final
approval
and
review
from
the
faa.
H
H
It
is
going,
it
went
very
well
for
the
first
couple
of
months
we
had,
we
had
a
hold
up
on
steel
right
now,
and
steel
is
finally
going
to
be
out
there
tomorrow,
so
we'll
be
starting
up
sort
of
getting
back
to
work
and
and
you'll
see
a
lot
of
coming
out
of
the
ground
a
lot
of
vertical
work.
So
it's
it's!
It's
going
well
thus
far,
and
you
know
we're
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
steel
up
and
getting
roughed
in
so.
D
A
A
Item
d
is
approval
of
the
selection
of
meet
and
hunt
for
design
and
construction
services
associated
with
the
snow
removal
equipment,
storage
building
at
the
airport
terminal
project
number
one:
nine
two
seven
authorizing
the
mayor
to
sign
all
necessary
documents
motion
by
holding
second,
second
and
heath
want
to
tell
us
about
that.
Please.
G
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
This,
of
course,
is
related
to
the
new
airport
terminal
project
in
a
sense
of
the
overall
project
and
the
necessary
changes
that
have
to
occur
out
there
on
the
airport
property.
One
of
those
pieces
of
the
puzzle
is
the
addressing
the
snow
removal
equipment,
storage
building
at
the
airport.
G
We
did
send
out
a
a
request
for
qualifications,
and
we
received
two
separate
statements
of
qualifications
from
two
separate
consultants
and
after
review
of
those
staff,
is
recommending
to
proceed
working
with
meat
and
hunt
to
design
the
snow
removal
equipment
building
for
the
city
to
meet
our
airport
needs
and
subsequent
to
this
action.
If
the
council
were
to
approve
their
statement
of
qualifications
and
move
forward
with
them
as
a
consultant,
you'll
notice,
there's
not
a
contract
on
this
agenda
here
tonight.
G
It's
an
ife,
that's
reviewed
by
a
third
party
design
consultant
to
confirm
that
their
fees
that
they're
charging
are
in
line
with
the
the
industry
standards,
so
to
speak.
So
after
that
ife
is
performed,
we
would
bring
a
contract
forward
with
an
actual
price
on
it,
for
formal
council
approval
at
that
point
in
time.
D
G
Yeah
well,
for
starters,
I
guess
to
describe
this
situation
is
that
the
current
building
is
is
has
to
be
relocated
because
of
the
the
physical
location
of
it
is
in
conflict
with
new
airport
terminal.
Okay
and
the
space
needs
for
the
terminal
and
the
apron
and
such
so
with
that
existing
location
going
away.
E
B
E
A
Thank
you
item
e
is
approval
of
the
professional
services
agreement
for
miscellaneous
engineering
services
associated
with
a
annual
airport
engineering
duties
with
helms
and
associates
in
the
amount
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars
authorizing
the
mayor
to
sign
all
necessary
documents
motion
by
lawlum
in
a
second
by
helene
heath.
Tell
us
about
this.
Please.
G
Thank
you
mayor.
This
is
in
relation
to
annual
engineering
duties
and
anything
that
the
airport
operations
need
to
have
a
licensed
engineer
perform
for
them.
It's
a
requirement
by
the
faa
that
we
have
a
contract
with
a
licensed
engineer
for
services
like
this
throughout
the
year
and
meeting.
Excuse
me
not
me,
not
helms
and
associates
has
traditionally
been
our
go-to
for
our
airport.
Engineering
needs.
G
J
Yes,
it
ranges
between
five
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars
not
to
exceed
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
This
is
a
standard
contract
that
we've
done
as
long
as
I've
been
here.
We
do
have
a
selection
process
every
five
years
through
the
faa
that
we
select
this
engineer
that
we
have
contracts
with
yearly,
so
I
believe
it's
2023.
J
D
J
A
A
Thank
you
item
f.
Is
approval
of
the
reimbursable
agreement
for
services
associated
with
relocating
communications
equipment
for
the
airport
terminal
project
project
number
1927,
with
the
federal
aviation
administration
faa
in
the
amount
of
one
hundred.
Eighty
five
thousand
thirty
four
dollars
authorizing
the
mayor
to
sign
all
necessary
documents.
A
G
They
call
this
a
reimbursable
agreement
and
as
of
right
now,
it
appears
as
though
the
485
thousand
will
be
an
expense
of
the
cities
to
bear.
There
was
some
talk
preliminarily
about
whether
there
be
some
eligibility
of
that
expense
being
covered
by
the
the
federal
funding
of
the
airport
terminal
project
after
review.
G
So
as
it
sits
right
now,
todd
and
I
are
planning
on
this
expense-
the
485
000-
to
come
from
city's
funding
and
be
part
of
what
we've
earmarked
for
the
city's
funding
expenses
for
the
project,
and
we
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
amount
being
counted
against
those
dollars.
We've
earmarked
roughly
5
million.
G
We
think
this
185
will
fit
into
that
5
million
just
fine
at
this
point
in
time,
and
so,
if
we
get
some
cosh
here
from
the
federal
level
later
on,
all
the
better
for
us,
but
if
not
we're
covered
under
our
budget
as
well.
So
with
that
being
said
again,
todd's
online
and
we'd
be
glad
to
help
answer
any
questions.
I
C
G
Yeah,
no,
that's
a
great
question:
councilman
hoyer,
you
know
with
the
sre
building
being
on
the
agenda
tonight
now
with
this
item.
Rest
assured,
I
think,
staff
and
our
consultant
have
a
pretty
good
handle
on
these
numbers
and
are
still
confident
in
that
cash
out
of
pocket
cash
that
we're
planning
to
spend
on
the
city's
end.
I
don't
I'm
not
thinking
of
any
other
larger
items
and
todd
you
could
chime
on
this
as
well
that
we
haven't
already
accounted
for,
but
might
be
lingering
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward.
G
J
J
As
we
see
these
come
up
mitch,
can
you
think
of
any
big
ticket
items
that
are
going
to
come
up
in
the
near
future?
I
know
we
have.
We
have
the
ife
and
we
also
have
the
the
testing
phases
that
will
have
to
come
in
the
near
future.
Here
I
know
we
have
some
seating
costs
that
we're
thinking
of
that
we'll
probably
have
to
pay
up
front
and
then
the
the
glass
issue.
Maybe
you
can
touch
on
a
few
of
those?
If
you
would
please
mitch.
H
Sure
yeah
well
yeah.
We
don't
anticipate
significant
like
something
like
this:
a
significant
cost,
but
again
we
we
knew
that
this
cost
was
coming.
We
knew
that
we
had
to
relocate
that
tech,
ops
equipment
and
we
we
understood
that
that
there
was
a
chance.
You
know
we
were
hopeful
that
that
we
would
get
some
reimbursable
dollars
from
it,
but
it
was
not
a
guarantee,
so
it
was
planned
for
in
it.
One
thing
todd
is
noting
is
like
special
inspections
for
the
sre.
Those
are
typically
funded.
H
You
know
by
the
by
the
city
as
well,
so
that
was
com,
that
work
is
already
sort
of
under
contract
for
the
terminal,
but
for
the
sre
you
know
that
may
may
be
an
additional
contract
in
the
future
for
a
testing
services,
the
the
other
side,
the
the
glass.
I
I
think,
if
you're
talking
about
that
todd
being
meaning
the
credit
for
the
change
order,.
J
H
So
one
thing
that
we
know-
I
guess
outright
too,
with
the
change
order
coming
is
that
we're
anticipating
and
we've
we've
moved
to
to
approve
about
a
forty
five
thousand
dollar
credit
to
the
project
too,
with
swapping
out
a
finish
on
the
on
the
terminal
glass
which
is
a
nice
to
see.
So
we
we
probably
won't
be
back
here
with
expenditures
on
change
orders
and
then
pertaining
to
the
that
exact
same
that
glass.
I
guess
channel
glass.
H
H
Elevators
do
the
same
thing,
so
that
is,
you
know.
Typically,
you'd
have
to
pay
an
upfront
cost
for
the
elevator
and
then
just
to
start
the
manufacturing
process
for
it
and
then
pay
on
delivery,
so
we're
running
into
that
same
situation
with
the
glass
or
with
this
channel
glass,
but
it
wouldn't
be
an
added
expense
to
the
city.
G
So
to
your
point,
councilman
hoyer.
I
think
that
the
the
largest
item
that
was
out
there
yet
was
the
sre
building
and,
of
course,
with
the
action
item
tonight
for
the
design
service
services
we'll
have
the
the
subsequent
cost
for
those
services
we'll
bring
that
contract
forward
and
then,
of
course,
subsequent
to
that
we'll
have
the
actual
bid
and
the
bid
award
for
the
construction
of
that
facility
and
the
costs
associated
with
that.
So
that's
probably
the
biggest
ticket
item.
That's
that's
pending
there
out
there.
Yet
in
relation
to
the
whole
terminal
project,.
C
H
Yes,
the
the
tech,
ops
equipment.
Yes,
that's
something
that
you
know
we're
going
through.
Well,
a
part
of
this
reimbursable
agreement,
as
well
as
to
is
to
actually
locate
you
know
the
final,
the
final
landing
spot
for
all
of
that
equipment,
but
then
it
does.
It
does
require
some
parameters.
You
know
it
in
some
instances
it
needs
clearance
surrounding
it
either
above
it
or,
or
you
know
around
it
as
well
as
then
be
housed
in
a
tempered
facility
as
well.
H
G
I
I
I
I
I
think
we've
got
very
good
local
buy-in
from
the
tech,
ops,
folks
that
actually
work
on
that
equipment
on
the
airport
that
come
up
here
on
they're
they're
more
than
supportive.
However,
everything
has
to
funnel
up
the
channels
through
through
the
faa
up
through
their
engineering
and
technical
support
groups,
so
our
first
step
is
essentially
locating
a
good
spot
on
the
field.
If
we
have
to
build
something
new
to
put
it,
you
know
put
an
x
on
the
map.
I
A
A
G
G
Regarding
the
clean
water
act,
the
federal
clean
water
act,
one
of
those
includes
the
municipality
setting
up
a
series
of
targeted
goals
or
best
management
practices,
as
they're
known
as
that
help
the
the
community
to
provide
education
and
outreach
to
the
community
about
stormwater
runoff
and
the
importance
of
certain
parameters
of
the
clean
water
act
and
how
they
relate
to
construction
activities
and
land
disturbing
activities
in
general.
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
rules
of
the
program
is
also
to
provide
an
annual
report.
G
So
that's
what
this
is
that's
supposed
to
be
approved
by
the
governing
body
and
marcie
lunar
engineer.
One
has
done
the
brunt
of
the
work
on
this
annual
report
for
us
this
year
as
she
did
last
year
and
I
would
hand
it
off
to
her
to
touch
on
just
a
few
of
the
highlights
of
this
year's
report,
which
I
believe
is
pretty
rudimentary
really
in
relation
to
prior
year
reports,
but
important
enough.
G
K
We
did
try
to
get
ourselves
involved
in
as
many
items
as
possible,
some
of
which
were
cancelled,
maybe
just
before
they
were
supposed
to
happen
in
the
march
timeline,
but
we
did
meet
all
of
our
goals:
great
news
from
the
solid
waste
department.
They
are
actually
above
the
numbers
from
last
year
on
our
collected
waste.
Excuse
me.
K
K
G
Hand
it
back
to
you,
thank
you,
marcy,
the
port.
I
have
shared
on
the
screen
right
now
kind
of
relates
to
one
of
the
more
prevalent
in
the
public
kind
of
situations,
deals
with
our
construction
sites
and
and
helping
control
the
runoff
from
those,
as
you
can
see
on
here,
the
the
things,
the
measures
that
staff
go
out
and
inspect
and
look
at
on
construction
sites
throughout
the
year.
They
are
really
driven
a
lot
by
these
ms4
requirements.
G
It's
not
necessarily
a
a
local
rule
that
we
dreamt
up
some
time
ago,
just
to
make
sure
that
things
are
kept
tidy.
But
that
is
an
inherent
benefit
to
this
program.
It
does
help
sediment
from
reaching
our
storm
sewer
systems
and
our
creeks
and
surface
channels
there
that
convey
storm
water.
It
helps
keep
some
of
that
muck
and
runoff
erosion
from
entering
our
streets
in
in
curb
and
gutter
as
well.
G
So
when
the
engineering
staff
are
out
about
and
they're
looking
and
inspecting
on
things,
we
see
some
of
the
best
management
practices,
the
erosion
and
sediment
control
measures
that
are
in
place
that
aren't
quite
up
to
snuff.
We
call
that
to
the
contractors
attention
and
make
sure
that
they
address
them
accordingly
to
help
meet
and
accomplish
these
goals,
but
also
again
to
help
protect
our
infrastructure
from
that
sediment
from
accumulating
in
our
systems.
A
A
L
L
The
agenda
is
perhaps
most
of
you
have
received
communications
in
the
last
few
weeks
from
establishment
owners
here
in
town
who
are
complaining
of
receiving
a
citation
for
violation
of
the
state
law
that
prohibits
smoking
inside
enclosed
areas
in
public
spaces,
and
so
we
wanted
to
address
it
with
the
council
and
just
kind
of
open
it
up
for
questions
and
perhaps
suggestions
about
how
how
we
move
forward.
I
guess
just
I'll
just
stay
at
the
outset.
L
That's
not
on
the
books,
as
we
say
here
today,
but
anyway,
that
would
be
an
option
for
the
city
to
explore
if
we
wanted
to
kind
of
further
define
what
an
enclosed
space
was,
but
as
it
sits
today,
there
has
been,
I
believe,
some
citations
issued
to
establishments
here
in
town
that
are,
you
know,
kind
of
maintaining
these
rooms
where,
where
folks
can
smoke-
and
I
believe
some
of
them
even
have
video
lottery
machines
in
them
and
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
I
guess
I
would.
A
M
Hi,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
council,
for
taking
your
time
to
discuss
this
situation.
This
isn't
a
new
thing.
It's
been
going
on
for
for
10
years.
The
police
department
stance
has
always
been
the
same.
There's
not
any
shacks
out
there,
smoking
shacks
that
are
in
compliance
just
to
give
you
a
kind
of
an
idea
how
this
comes
about
is
a
about.
M
Every
year
we
get
a
complaint
from
a
business
owner
pointing
their
fingers
at
another
business
owner,
so
we
go
and
do
a
compliance
check
and
we
find
a
violation
and
then
that
business
owner
will
point
to
another
business
owner.
So
for
fair
and
consistency,
we
we
do
go
and
visit
all
of
them.
In
february
of
this
year
we
went,
we
did
receive
a
complaint,
we
did
a
compliance
check.
M
We
did
find
a
violation
in
subsequent
to
that
we
did
40
visits
at
22
different
establishments
and
only
two
of
the
establishments
were
in
violation,
so
the
vast
majority
of
the
people
comply
with
the
law.
I
did
talk
to
the
state's
attorney
myself
this
year
again
and
she
has
a
pretty
strong
stance
on
their.
What
a
enclosed
building
is-
and
she
says
you
can't
have
a
fourth
wall,
so
it
has
to
be
75
percent.
M
You
know
no
more
than
75
percent,
enclosed
and
enclosed
is
exclusive
with
doorways,
so
a
window
with
a
screen
is
still
enclosed.
That's
the
state's
attorney's
stance
on
it.
So
we're
not
looking
for
these
violations
by
any
means,
but
it
is
a
state
law
and
it
is
our
duty
to
enforce
them
when
we
get
a
complaint
and
that's
that's
what
we
do
so
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
M
Yes,
that's
a
great
question.
I
went
around
and
I
do
have
pictures
in
2015
and
took
pictures
of
each
establishment's.
What
they
thought
was
a
smoking
shack
and
explained
what
they
would
need
to
do.
There's
a
lot
of
excuses
out
there
or
they've
talked
to
city
officials,
and
they
said
it
was
okay
and
it's
just
there's
a
lot
of
twisting
around.
I
do
have
the
laws,
if
you
cannot
it's
pretty
clear,
but
if
you
can
pop
that
up.
M
M
M
C
C
C
So
basically
like,
if
you
go
into
a
lounge
that
sells
cigars,
primarily
you'll,
see
this
a
lot
in
deadwood.
You
see
it
in
sioux
falls
where
they're
selling
multiple
tobacco
products.
You
have
a
room,
that's
a
humidor
room!
So
where
you
would
store
cigars,
you
pick
out
whatever
you
want
and
then
you
can
come
out.
They
have
a
service
bar
as
well.
So
if
somebody
wanted
like
a
whiskey
to
go
with
their
cigar
or
something
downtown.
M
D
C
Right,
I
I
just
for
I
guess
to
me.
It
doesn't
seem
like
it's
asking
too
much
for
you
to
have,
if
you're
doing
the
three-quarter,
enclosed
three
walls
and
then
just
heating
posts
and
stuff
outside
for
the
folks.
That
would
like
to
use
that.
But
I
know
it
does
make
an
uphill
battle
for
you
guys
having
to
go
around
with
these.
E
Thank
you,
mayor
tim
couple
things
you
know
I
I
recall
we
dealt
with
this
gosh
been
a
few
years
back
right
after
they
put
this
into
to
effect,
but
I
I
you
know,
did
they
change
the
requirements
since
that
time
because,
as
I
recall,
it
was
very,
very
ambiguous
as
to
how
much
open
space,
so
I
what
you
that
you
had,
that
was
required
for
a
smoke
shack
or
you
know
off
a
place
where
you
could
could
smoke.
I
has
that
changed
since
the
original.
M
It
has
not,
it
was
to
us
a
little
bit
ambiguous
when
they
set
an
enclosed
area
by
reading
the
statute,
but
after
conferring
with
the
state's
attorney
the
attorney
general
and
that
time
at
that
time,
the
city
attorney.
It
made
it
much
clearer
that
what
an
enclosed
space
was,
so
it
hasn't
changed.
It's
always
been
the
exact
same
law.
E
B
M
E
M
E
M
A
M
M
A
M
B
M
The
lottery
has
ruled
you
can't
have
machines
in
there
as
long
as
you
want
to
wheel
them
in
and
out,
but
they
have
to
be
connected
to
a
network
and
things
like
that,
so
it
would
be
difficult
to
have
a
legal
smoking
shack
that
has
a
lottery
machine
in
it.
But
yes,
the
two
places
that
are
in
violation
the
most
have
several
machines
in
inside.
A
M
I
M
B
B
Thanks
mayor,
this
is,
for
the
chief
tim
tell
me
about
other
communities,
the
person
that
has
been
that
I've
been
visiting
with
about
this.
The
most
has
said
that
watertown
is
the
only
place
that
enforces
this
and
as
far
as
he
knows
in
the
state-
and
I
said
well,
why
don't
we
just
check
with
chief
toomey
and
see
what
he
says
about
it.
M
We
actually
reached
out.
We
were
told
that
as
well
and
aberdeen
is
always
listed
as
one
of
the
people
that
will
allow
it
and
we
reached
out
to
the
chief
of
police
there.
He
did
send
me
his
ordinance
and
also
said
that
they
do
have
their
code
enforcement
officer,
respond
to
any
complaints
and
usually
get
voluntary
compliance
in
their
in
their
ordinance
that
they
have
established.
They
actually
put
it
in
there
that
that
shall
not
have
have
not
more
than
75
of
the
aggregate
wall
area
enclosed
for
the
purpose
of
the
section.
M
L
Thanks
dad,
you
know
one
thing
that
the
definition
of
aberdeen
provides
for
that
provides
a
little
more
clarity.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
in
town
would
want
to
do
this.
I've
seen
it
in
other
places,
though,
where
they,
essentially,
they
have
like
a
honeycombed
wall.
So
it's
like
a
so
there's
open
space.
You
know
enclosed
open
and
closed,
open
and
closed,
and
so
aberdeen's
definition
and
the
definition
we
were
contemplating
apparently
11
10
years
ago.
L
I
just
said
75
in
aggregate,
so
if
you
could
somehow
so
essentially
would
still
allow
for
four
walls
for
the
ceiling.
Four
walls
as
long
as
no
more
than
75
percent,
excluding
doors
and
windows
was
enclosed.
So
again
it
would
have
to
be
like
a
honeycomb
type
system,
but
it
seems
like
it
kind
of
defeats.
The
purpose
of
the
spirit
of
the
law,
like,
like
tim,
had
mentioned.
M
M
It's
more
of
just
a
discussion
because
I
know
you
guys
were
getting
some
phone
calls
as
well
and,
and
you
know
we
don't-
we
wanted
the
whole
story
out
there,
just
not
half
of
the
story.
So
if
you
would
want
to
entertain
an
ordinance,
I
would
be
happy
to
help
draft
something
like
that,
but
I
think
the
law
is
pretty
clear.
E
Yeah
thanks
mick
tim
just
another
couple
questions
for
you:
if
we
go
in
and
violating
this
ordinance,
is
it
automatic
from
the
very
first
time
I
mean?
Are
they
going
to
get
a
citation
or
or
is
there
a
warning
and
then
we
come
back
and
if
they,
if
we
see
it
again
or
somebody
reports
again,
they
get
a
citation.
E
M
I
I
You
know
the
the
problem,
I
think,
would
they
run
into
is
that
you
have
some
people
are
following
it
to
the
tee
and
other
ones
that
are
you
know
following
it
when
it
serves
them
best.
So
I
think
that's
what
what
the
issue
is
with
most
of
the
business
owners.
I
think
most
people
that
are
in
this
business
are
trying
to
follow
as
much
as
possible.
They
don't
want
to
lose
a
license
or
anything
of
that
nature.
I
B
L
C
E
Sorry
mayor,
no,
I
I
still
have.
I
do
have
another
comment
there
are
I've
had
folks
that
in
some
of
these
establishments
that
have
made
it
clear
that
it's
cheaper,
I
mean
it's,
it's
it's
better
for
them
to
pay
the
fine
once
in
a
while
in
comparison
to
what
they
feel
they
might
lose
in
revenue
and
who
sets
that
fine
limit.
L
L
M
C
C
M
A
C
It's
come
up
a
little
bit
and
I
know
we've
talked
on
it
some,
but
in
the
near
future
it
might
be
good
if
we
take
a
look
at
some
of
our
parking
signage
in
the
downtown.
Yes,
just
with
all
the
new
economic
development
that's
going
on,
we
are
now
faced
with
the
wonderful
problem
that
parking
is
a
little
more
challenging
to
find.
So
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
and
requests
of
making
the
public
lots
more
identifiable.