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City Council Work Session - 09-14-2022
A
A
A
Has
established
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
today's
agenda
motion
made
by
councilman
Paulson
seconded
by
councilman
Buehler
any
conversation
on
that
hearing.
None.
The
motion
is
to
approve
the
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
motion
carries
item
a
on
the
consent
agenda
is
an
approval
of
the
minute
Council
minutes
from
May,
9th
June,
9th
and
21st
July
7th,
August,
8th
and
15th
of
2022.
do
I.
Have
a
motion
moved
to
approve
by
councilman
Beeler
seconded
by
councilman
Bill
hour
any
conversation
on
that
hearing?
None.
A
The
motion
is
to
approve
the
council
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
motion
carries
on
the
regular
agenda.
We
have
two
items:
I
have
to
approve
the
agenda.
Chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
tonight's
agenda:
oh
okay,
yeah,
oh
yeah,
duh,
consent
agenda.
Okay,
sorry
I
knew
that
there
was
something
going
on
in
my
head:
okay,
yeah.
We
can
delete
that
right.
A
C
Oh
yeah
yep,
so,
as
I've
mentioned
several
times,
we
have
started
the
budget
process
for
2023
as
part
of
our
part
of
our
process,
to
kind
of
streamline
our
conversations
and
and
in
order
to
present
on
the
17th
a
comprehensive
budget
for
your
consideration.
We're
piecemealing
this
out
a
little
bit.
What
you
have
in
front
of
you
are
the
requests
that
have
been
submitted
to
us
from
outside
agencies.
C
You'll
see
that
there
are
not
a
lot
of
changes
either
requested
from
the
organizations
or
recommended
by
myself
and
staff.
I
did
list
on
there,
how
we
would
be
funding
these
either
out
of
the
general
fund
or
the
third
Penny.
Some
of
these
would
be
newly
funded
out
of
the
third
Penny
I.
Think
it's
more
appropriate
for
what
what
those
did
I
miss
something.
D
E
A
C
To
the
two
we
looked
at
so
Art
Walk
volunteer,
Center,
let's
No
Art,
Walk
cooking
on
campesca
Historical,
Society,
Millet
Association,
the
CVB
in
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
commer
Commerce,
we
felt
were
largely
promotional
type
organizations,
which
is
what
the
the
Triple
B
fund
is
for.
So
it
was
appropriate
to
to
fund
those
out
of
the
third
Penny
and
relieve
a
little
bit
of
pressure
on
the
general
fund.
We've
typically
only
funded
the
chamber
and
the
CVB
out
of
the
third
penny
in
the
past.
C
Out
of
these
outside
organizational
requests,
like
I
said
not
a
lot
of
change
being
asked
for
or
being
recommended,
you'll
see
a
slight
increase
to
the
Humane
Society,
a
slight
increase
to
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club.
Just
for
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
be
aware,
we
we
pay
them
monthly,
we
take
the
utility
costs
off
the
top
and
then
the
remainder
goes
to
their
operations,
so
that
increase
is
largely
to
cover
the
increase
in
utilities.
C
You'll
notice,
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
we're
recommending
an
increase
there
prior
to
covid.
We
were
funding
them
at
ninety
thousand
dollars
a
year.
We
kicked
that
back
during
the
covered
years.
They've
asked
for
us
to
just
bring
it
back
to
where
it
was
the
CVB
requested,
an
increase
and
I'm
recommending
that
we
remain
flat
with
them
they've.
C
You
know
they've
gone
through
a
couple
different
directors
in
the
last
last
year
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
for
them
to
figure
out
what
their
organization
you
know
what
the
work
is
going
to
look
like
over
the
next
year.
We
can
have
more
comprehensive
discussions
with
them
for
the
2024
budgets
trying
to
see
if
I
missed
any
other
increases.
There
was
a
minor
one
with.
F
C
Hsa
900,
435,
535
I
think
they
requested
additional.
So
with
that,
I
would
stand
by
for
any
questions
you
might
have.
This
was
really
was
just
an
opportunity
to
get
this
information
in
front
of
you
and
unless
there
are
any
major
objections
or
questions,
we
intend
to
include
the
recommended
numbers
in
the
budget
for
the
presentation
on
the
17th.
A
D
A
Councilman,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
asking
that
question
at
all
and
that's
why
we're
having
the
work
session
so
by
all
means.
But
if
you
could
just
highlight,
if
there's
anything
other
than
let's
say,
community
band,
yeah
and
I
know,
and
that's
a
good
example.
But
if
you
could
kind
of
be
ready,
but
city
manager
Mech.
If
you
could
explain
well.
C
I
I
am
not
going
to
be
able
to
give
you
detail
on
the
band.
Specifically,
they
did
not
get
the
request
in
until
later
yesterday.
I
think
so.
The
other
organizations
when
they
submitted
their
request,
they
did
submit
a
narrative
on
how
the
dollars
would
be
used,
so
click
it
on
campesca,
for
example,
the
eight
thousand
dollars
of
that
is
to
pay
for
usage
of
the
park,
so
we
charge
them
a
fee
to
use
the
park
for
cooking
on
campesca.
C
The
ten
thousand
dollars
out
of
the
eighteen
covers
promotions
of
the
event
supplies
things
like
that.
They
try
to
keep
the
entry
fee
to
get
in
the
the
ticket
cost
relatively
low
so
that
they
get
a
good
turnout,
so
it
helps
supplement
their
their
expenses.
The
Art
Walk,
for
example.
The
five
thousand
dollars
that's
requested
is
what
it
costs
for
them
to
participate
in
that
I
can
go
into
largely
these.
These
dollars
are
for
operational
assistance
for
the
organizations.
A
E
E
C
We
we
both
have
looked
at
the
requests
as
they've
come
in
and
have
talked
through
what
seems
to
make
sense
what
what
doesn't
our
largest
conversation
was
a
around
the
request
from
the
CVB
to
kick
that
up
another
another.
Fifty
thousand,
like
I,
said
they're
going
through
some
leadership
changes
and
before
we
commit
to
additional
dollars,
we
needed
to
see
what
what
the,
what
the
value
of
that
would
be.
Okay,.
C
H
C
I'm
not
sure
we
didn't
do
that.
Last
year,
my
first
year,
I
I,
wasn't
aware
that
that
was
a
process
that
was
done
or
expected.
I
can
certainly
share
out
the
information
with
all
of
you.
I
really
treat
it
similarly
to
Department
requests
like
even
though
they're
outside
agencies.
We
take
their
request
and
see
how
it
fits
into
the
budget
and
into
the
budget
philosophy,
and
if
it
works,
I
I
don't
necessarily
see
a
reason
to
to
cut
anyone
from
from
that
perspective,.
H
H
E
I
think
I
was
the
last
one
to
sit
in
as
a
committee,
and
that
was
with
Dan
Elverson
and
Beth
mancy
and
I'd
have
to
guess
probably
18
19,
somewhere
2018
2019
somewhere
in
there
and
I'll.
Take
that
back.
Mayor
Steve
Thorson
was
mayor
yet
the
last
time
we
actually
had
them
come
in
for
face-to-face
interviews.
I
just
recalled
that
now,
because
we
made
some
recommendations
to
the
mayor
and
he
mixed
our
recommendations
and
and
went
with
his
thoughts
anyway
on
it
and
for
what
it's
worth.
C
C
A
D
Thank
you,
mayor,
I,
guess,
I
would
kind
of
second
Bruce
and
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
more
behind
the
scenes
and
from
financial
information
on
some
of
these.
Not
because,
like
I
said
it's
not
because
I
don't
think
any
of
us
are
trying
to
deny
these,
but
if
they
have
an
unreserved
fund
balance,
that's
significant.
D
H
C
It
is
going
to
be
challenging
to
add
things,
but
what
we
can
certainly
entertain
something
else:
I'm
cautious
to
say
that
publicly,
because
I
don't
need
or
want.
You
know,
50,
you
know
requests
for
for
funding,
because
we
we
certainly
can't
do
that
so
I
mean
if
you've
got
a
specific
group
that
was
intending
to
get
something
in
well.
H
There
there
is
somebody
I
do
have
in
mind,
but
I
guess
I
might
I
just
will
make
a
comment,
and
that
is
that
at
some
point
years
back
I
mean
there
was
a
long
list
of
folks
that
applied
for
these
funds
and
I.
Think
we
we
sort
of
made
a
decision
as
a
council
moving
forward.
They
were
going
to
be.
We
would
support
groups,
organizations
that
might
benefit
the
community,
might
subsidize
another
department
or
might
help
out
with
police
or
fire
or
safety
or
health.
H
E
Thank
you,
I
would
agree
with
what
council
Council
Bueller
just
said
too.
As
far
as
the
the
group,
so
we
tried
to
zero
in
on
were
those
that
we
felt
that
are
helping
out
or
are
saving
US
dollars
in
other
areas.
I
mean
diversity
is
a
good
example
for
so,
for
example,
so
we
have
tried
to
limit
it
somewhat
to
those
that
you
know
do
help
out
with
city
services,
I
guess
as
to
additional
review
by
this
body.
I
guess
that's.
E
A
D
Thank
you
mayor
and
then
I
guess.
I
do
have
a
question
on
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
as
well.
I
know
it's
a
touchy
subject:
I!
Don't
want
to
go
too
far
down
that
road,
but
it
does
this.
Does
the
funding
for
the
boys
and
girls
club
include
all
the
utilities
because
that's
still
I,
that's
where
I
don't
understand
is.
C
D
C
Because
it
is
our
building
and
we
have,
we
have
an
agreement
with
them.
I
there's
a
lot
of
conversations
that
happened
before
I
came
on
board
with
the
boys
and
girls
club,
and
it's
it's
my
understanding
that
we
attempted
to
make
some
changes
to
that
several
years
ago,
a
few
years
ago,
and
it
it
largely
ended
at
an
impasse,
and
so
here's
here's
where
we're
at
this
is
the
this
is
what
we
are
committed
to
per
the
agreement
we
have
in
place
with
them.
C
D
G
Oh
yeah,
obviously
not
as
a
lawyer
but
as
a
former
board
member
and
trustee.
Yes,
the
aerop
program
closed
down
and
was
replaced
by
the
diversion
program
which
operates
the
Teen
Court
and
the
juvenile
references
for
in
their.
You
know.
In
lieu
of
going
to
court,
they
can
go
through
the
diversion
program
so
that
the
whole
area
that
is
now
occupied
by
Aero
Pratt
or
was
occupied
by
Aero
prep,
has
now
been
converted
to
house
the
entire
diversion
program.
I
I'm
gonna
make
the
same
comment
that
I
made
previous
eight
budgets
that
I've
went
through
and
and
dealing
with
this,
and
it
goes
back
to
the
comment
that
Mr
Bueller
made
and
some
years
ago
and
I
was
probably
during
the
time
of
marathorson's
tenure.
We
had
a
conversation
of
really
needing
to
sit
down
and
Define
where
and
why
we
should
be
funding
outside
sources,
because
we
felt
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about.
I
Why
are
we
using
tax
dollars
back
towards
some
of
these
requests?
You
know:
is
it
right
to
tax
people
and
then
push
their
money
back
out
in
the
community,
or
should
the
community
just
be
taking
care
of
them
some
of
these
fit
into
that
category?
As
far
as
I'm
concerned
again,
I
mean
there
are
some
things
that
we,
that
without
question
are
Quasi.
I
I
So
there's
a
number
of
these
that
fit
that
category
and
then
there's
a
number
of
them
that
really
don't
fit
that
category,
and
so
this
being
my
ninth
budget,
I'll
I'll
State
once
again
that
I
I
wish
we
were
more
aligned
with
a
better
definition
of
how
we
use
taxpayer
dollars
going
back
to
outside
entities
than
what
we
are
and
some
of
these
without
question.
In
my
mind,
I
would
disagree
with,
but
that's
just
a
general
comment.
A
Councilman,
let
it
be
recognized
that
councilman
Tupper
just
arrived
and
I
will
ask
for
any
further
comments
or
questions,
and
then
I
would
also
reserve
the
right
as
chair
to
come
back
to
this
topic.
If
councilman
Tupper
has
a
question
later,
but
I
also
know
he
knows
how
to
use
emails
and
phone
calls.
So
councilman.
Are
you?
Okay
with
that?
J
Thank
you
mayor,
thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
manager,
Mack
tonight
we're
going
to
talk
through
and
give
some
information
regarding
the
city's
payment,
Management
program,
otherwise
known
as
a
payment
management
system.
If
I
could
invite
Justin
and
Justin
Peterson
and
Rob
Bannon
to
join
me
up
here,
they've
helped
put
a
brunt
of
the
work
into
this
data.
J
This
data
collection,
and
this
summary
that
I'll
we'll
be
walking
through
here
this
afternoon
for
the
council
really
the
the
intent
behind
this
is
just
to
give
a
general
understanding
of
how
we
program
the
streets
that
we
work
on
year
in
and
year
out
how
we
select,
where
we're
doing
our
Milling
overlays
our
chip,
seals,
our
full
reconstructs
and
all
those
things
I
think
to
the
to
the
untrained
eye.
I'll
call
it.
J
You
know
one
might
assume
that
we're
just
out
there
looking
for
bad
streets
and
repairing
them,
but
you'll
find
here
through
this
discussion
that
there's
a
lot
more.
That
goes
into
it
than
just
that.
There's
there's
a
pretty
good
level
of
technical
data
that
we
collect
and
we
assess
and
that
we
analyze
when
we're
programming
our
street
repairs.
That
function,
of
course,
is
carried
out
in
the
public
works
department,
primarily
through
the
engineering
and
streets
divisions,
engineering,
the
streets
collectively
work
together.
J
The
Street
Maintenance
side
of
things,
of
course,
robbing
and
heads
up
is
the
street
superintendent
and
then
Justin
helps
me
significantly
with
the
engineering
side
as
the
assistant
city
engineer
and
so
hand
in
hand.
We
collectively
use
this
pavement
management
data
as
a
tool
to
program
our
street
repairs.
J
So
with
that
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
here
about
what
a
pavement
management
system
really
entails
now
I'll
warn
you
I
took
a
full
semester
of
pavement
maintenance
and
Rehabilitation
and
grad
school
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
bore
you
with
some
of
the
details.
I
could
get
into
on
this
well.
J
So
if
I,
if
I
start
to
geek
out
a
little
bit,
you'll
understand
why
but
I
I
do
love
the
transportation
component
of
civil
engineering
and
I
know
what
I'd
like
to
think
fairly
well.
I
think
my
colleagues
to
the
left
of
me
also
understand
it
fairly
well
and
the
three
of
us
together
I
like
to
thank
our
pretty
strong
team
and
how
we
program
our
streets.
So
with
that.
J
What
this
curve
shows
here
is
really
the
the
pavement
life
cycle
of
a
street
and
on
the
left
axis
you'll
see
the
pavement
condition
and
you
pretend
there's
a
hundred
up
here.
It's
it's
brand
new
100
condition,
no
flaws,
no
Faults
whatsoever
and
then
on
the
bottom
axis
here,
you've
got
the
payment
age.
So,
as
time
goes
on
that
pavement
deteriorates,
it's
condition.
J
Level
starts
to
drop,
and
then
you
hit
a
Breaking
Point
here
where,
if
you
don't
perform
any
maintenance
or
Rehabilitation
efforts,
it
starts
to
significantly
drop
off
and
in
a
short
amount
of
time,
and
then
before
you
know
it,
your
pavement
condition
has
dropped
significantly,
so
that
this
this
really
helps
represent
pavement
management.
101
is
this
life
cycle
curve
and
how
plugging
in
our
pavement
maintenance
treatments
improves
the
longevity
of
our
roads?
That's
really
the
goal
here.
We
want
to
get
the
most
out
of
our
streets
as
possible,
pavement
management.
J
What
is
it
it's,
the
process
of
planning,
budgeting,
designing,
evaluating
and
rehabilitating
a
pavement
Network
to
preserve
the
existing
roadway
structure
in
a
serviceable
manner.
Now,
what's
that
mean
we
want
our
streets
to
last
as
long
as
they
can,
we
wanted
to
be
serviceable
to
the
community,
the
the
traveling
public
that
use
them
the
the
truckloads
and
truck
traffic
that
function
on
those
roads.
J
So
once
in
a
while,
the
community
might
see
us
working
on
a
street
and
wondering
why
are
we
fixing
that
street
this
one
over
here
is
a
lot
worse
than
that
one?
Well,
it
might
be
because
we
can
get
a
million
overlaying
on
that
street
and
save
it
for
another
10
years,
rather
than
letting
it
go
to
pot
and
that
money
is
better
spent
in
that
scenario
than
it
is
to
do
a
full
reconstruct
on
a
road
that
we've
already
lost.
J
For
example,
this
is
that
same
chart,
but
with
those
maintenance
applications
applied.
So
again
you
have
a
brand
new
pavement.
It
starts
to
deteriorate
over
time
you're
still
within
this
target
zone
for
pavement
preservation.
So
you
apply,
let's
say,
a
chip
seal.
Well,
it's
going
to
boost
that
payment,
condition
back
up,
not
all
the
way
to
100
percent,
but
it's
going
to
boost
it
up
quite
a
bit.
Then
again
time
goes
on.
J
We
use
a
term
called
the
pavement
condition
index
a
PCI
and
really
it's
a
grading
of
the
street
condition
and
that
grading
range
is
from
zero
to
a
hundred
I,
wouldn't
directly,
compare
it
to
the
zero
to
a
hundred
percent
grading
scale
that
we
use
in
our
education
system,
mainly
because
I
think
we
all
have
a
mindset
there
that
you
know
if
you're
doing,
70
plus
work,
you're,
probably
okay
and
it's
C's
and
better
I
think
most
commonly
people
think
of
our
grading
system
to
think
we're
doing
pretty
good.
Now
the
pavement
set
scale.
J
However,
those
averages
are
lower
than
that
and
and
that's
just
how
the
system
works
and
I
will
go
into
detail
on
what
the
averages
are
in
our
system
and
Nationwide,
and
what
the
industry
standards
are
for
these
pcis
and
the
ranges
that
they
are,
but
anyway
they're
categorized
into
excellent,
very
good,
good,
marginal
Affair,
poor
and
very
poor
conditions,
and
that
gives
you
know
a
general
or
a
relative
remaining
lifespan
of
the
road
as
it
falls
into
each
one
of
those
conditions.
And
then
we
have
a
little
bit
of
information
here
explaining
each
one.
J
How
is
that
pavement
condition
index
established?
Well,
it's
through
a
system
of
assessments
of
the
entire
Street
Network
in
a
later
slide,
I'll
talk
in
detail
about
our
pavement
management
system
and
how
we've
assessed
it.
But
these
are
some
general
pieces
of
information
here
that
what
we're
looking
at
when
we
raid
our
streets.
These
are
all
the
different
kinds
of
distresses
that
we
look
for.
You
have
everything
on
here
from
alligator
cracking
to
wheel,
rutting
to
longitudinal
and
transverse
cracking
block,
cracking
patching.
J
J
Pavement
distresses
are
generally
qualified
under
two
different
categories:
structural
and
functional.
The
structural
distresses,
are
one
similar
to
rutting.
What
that
means
is
it's
inhibiting
the
road
and
its
load
carrying
capacity,
the
more
structural
failure.
A
road
sees
means
that
it's
simply
not
upholding
the
weight
that
it's
seeing
in
truck
traffic
and
it's
compromising
the
road
quality
causing
failure.
Functional
distresses
are
those
that
you
typically
see
at
the
surface
that
are
really
inhibit
the
usability
of
the
street.
J
These
are
the
ones
that
we
typically
get
most
complaints
on,
because
they're
most
notable
to
the
traveling
public.
Your
potholes,
sometimes
surface
friction
is
an
issue
when
it's
raining
out.
The
road
could
be
slippery
things
like
that,
so
we
try
to
keep
those
things
in
check.
As
far
as
the
functional
distresses
are
concerned,
this
next
slide
goes
through
a
few.
More
of
those
distresses,
you
know
raveling
bleeding.
J
This
is
a
condition
in
the
asphalt
where
the
oil
hasn't
completely
absorbed
into
the
Rock
and
the
fines
and
the
Aggregate
and
the
mix,
so
the
excess
oil
bleeds
out
to
the
surface.
So
what
that
causes
then,
is
a
typically
a
slick
spot
in
the
road
where
you
have
surface
friction
issues
but
also
compromises
the
Integrity
of
the
asphalt
as
well.
J
Some
of
these
are
pretty
self-explanatory,
with
potholes
and
Edge
cracking
on
here
as
well.
So
all
those
distresses
get
looked
at
and
and
then
the
street
is
rated
using
that
pavement
condition
index
from
zero
to
100..
What
I've
got
here
now
is
several
slides
of
examples.
We'll
start
at
the
worst
first
here
we
have
some
very
poor
conditioned
streets
in
town
that
require
complete
reconstruct.
This
is
an
example
of
one
of
them
down
on
12th,
Avenue
Southwest.
J
Now
again,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
when
we
come
in
and
reconstruct
this
I
think
there
are
two.
Maybe
three
homes
on
this
street
is
all
very
minimal
traffic,
so
it
might
not
be
higher
on
the
list
than
say
a
poor
conditioned
Street
like
this
one
on
Sixth
Avenue,
with
dozens
of
Home
traveling
this
street.
This
is
actually
one
we're
doing
as
part
of
the
mill
and
overlay
that's
going
on
right
now
as
we
speak,
but
this
is
an
example
of
a
poor
conditioned
Street.
The
PCI
ranges
from
25
to
40.
J
once
it
gets
to
this
level.
This
is
one
of
the
last
opportunities
where
you
can
do:
surface-based
Rehabilitation,
like
a
millet
overlay.
Once
you
get
past
this
level,
you're,
typically
dipping
into
a
reconstruct
of
the
roadway.
The
next
level
up
would
be
a
marginal
classification
and
that's
a
PCI
ranging
from
40
to
50..
Again,
this
is
where
you
can
get
into
progressively
thicker
overlays
as
a
surface
treatment.
You
can
see
some
alligator
cracking
in
this
road.
This
is
8th,
Avenue
Northeast,
but
you
know
overall
still
it's
it's
a
drivable
Street,
not
terrible
condition.
J
This
is
20th
Avenue
Northwest
up
by
the
Lutheran
Church
up
on
the
North
End
of
town.
Really
this
street
is
not
that
bad,
but
you'll
see
right
at
the
intersection
of
Second
Street,
there's
a
pretty
bad
spot
here
of
some
alligator
cracking
and
raveling
going
on
so
one
fixed
to
this
would
be
a
large
patch
to
replace
this.
You
can
see
that
was
done
here
in
the
recent
past
to
the
left
of
the
screen,
but
that
simple
fix
could
then
bump
this
street
back
up
to
likely
into
a
good
condition.
J
Pavement
looks
otherwise
pretty
good
condition,
an
example
of
a
very
good
rating
of
a
PCI
to
70
to
85.
This
is
Camp
Avenue
East
again
you
see
a
little
bit
less
cracking
in
this
roadway
surface,
no
alligator
cracking
no
other
distresses
to
speak
of
you
can
see
the
remnants
of
the
chip
seal
and
things
on
here
that
you
know
shows
that
we've
been
performing
those
maintenance
treatments
at
an
appropriate
time
in
the
life
of
the
pavement
and
an
excellent
Road.
J
Typically,
these
are
your
brand
new
streets,
so
14th
Avenue
Northeast,
if
you
recall
here
just
I-
think
it
was
in
2020.
This
one
blew
up
on
us
in
the
springtime.
I
had
some
terrible
Frost
heaps
that
came
through
up
there
on
14th
Avenue
Northeast
and
ended
up
having
to
rebuild
or
repave
the
half
Street
section
that
exists
up
there,
so
that
obviously
then
falls
into
that
excellent
condition.
J
A
little
bit
of
background
on
our
pavement
Management
program.
This
is
that
information.
I
mentioned
earlier
on
the
how
we've
established
our
pavement
management
data.
We
went
into
a
contract
with
IMS
infrastructure,
Management
Services
in
2021
here,
to
give
us
an
update
to
our
pavement
Management
program.
They
reviewed
and
assessed
126.
Just
shy
of
123.
Excuse
me
163
miles
of
streets.
J
We
had
previously
contracted
with
them
back
in
2015
through
2017.,
so
in
2017
we
got
our
first
pavement
management
system
report.
This
was
right
before
I
got
on
with
the
city
and
and
had
a
lot
of
good
valuable
information
at
our
fingertips.
When
that
report
came
to
us
at
that
time,
it
was
about
154
miles
of
streets
that
they
assessed
our
current
pavement
condition
index.
J
They
give
us
an
average
over
our
entire
Street
Network.
This
I'll
step
back
here
a
minute.
What
does
IMS
do
when
they
assess
our
streets?
They
literally
Drive
every
street
in
town
with
a
a
truck
or
a
unit
or
a
van
with
instrumentation
on
it.
That's
taking
video
and
roadway
surface
observations
over
the
entire
Street
Network,
and
then
they
take
all
that
data
that
they
collect
and
they
they
assess
those
conditions
and
rate
them
and
build
those
pavement
condition
indices
for
each
and
every
street.
J
In
our
town
they
break
those
pavement
condition
indices
out
into
segments.
You
know
maybe
take
a
10th
Avenue
North,
for
example,
they'll
run
a
segment
of
blocks,
particularly
the
reconstruct
area.
We
just
did
now
that
would
be
considered.
All
One
segment,
it
would
have
all
one
uniform
pavement
condition
index
and
they
try
to
segment
them
out
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
like
that,
so
it's
uniform
and
consistent
throughout
the
city.
J
J
Now
again
you
go
back,
keep
in
mind
of
my
analogy
with
our
educational
system.
We
think
it's
a
little
below
average.
We
could
be
doing
better,
but
the
national
average
for
payment
condition
indices
is
actually
60
to
65.,
so
we're
sitting
at
the
top
end
of
the
national
average
of
what
other
communities
across
the
country
have
for
payment
condition
indices
in
2017,
our
PCI
average
was
62..
J
So
that
information
is
broken
down
a
little
bit
further
here
we
talk
about
oops,
the
percentage
of
excellent
roads.
That's
that
high-end
PCI.
Right
now
we
have
about
11
percent
of
our
streets
fall
in
that
category.
In
2017
it
was
only
four
percent
of
our
streets.
So
again
we
saw
some
great
improvements
in
that
category
of
excellent,
which
means
we've
done
a
lot
of
reconstruct
from
2017
to
2021..
J
J
The
industry
standard
is
15
or
less
so
we're
still
within
a
comfortable
range
of
backlog.
However,
it
did
slip
a
little
bit
of
the
only
four
percent
that
we
had
back
in
2017..
Why
is
that?
That's
because
the
focus
was
put
up
placed
up
here.
We
were
trying
to
get
this.
The
percent
of
excellent
roads
built
up
well
that
compromise
the
lower
end
roads
not
being
worked
on,
so
we
slept
a
little
bit
here,
but
still
are
keeping
it
within
an
acceptable
range.
J
I
wanted
to
note
that
so
our
our
good
roads
are
getting
better
and
we,
our
poor
roads,
are
getting
worked
on
and
still
within
an
acceptable
range
to
keep
this
balanced
out
as
much
as
possible.
This
is
simply
a
pie.
Chart
that
splits
our
roads
out
into
those
categories
by
percentage
you'll
see
that
very
poor
percentage-wise
is
pretty
much
non-existent.
There's
there's
a
couple
of
them
out
there,
but
percentage-wise
they're,
non-existent
our
poor
streets,
11
percent
marginal
at
13,
Fair,
good,
very
good,
and
so
on.
J
This
is
also
distributed
here
in
this
this
bar
chart.
You
can
see
a
good
distribution
going
here.
We
have
a
high
level
of
very
good
streets
at
about
35
percent
of
our
street
Network
poured
are
very
poor
again.
The
acceptable
level
of
port,
a
very
poor,
is
up
to
15
percent,
so
we're
sitting
good
keeping
that
tucked
down
below
15..
J
J
J
J
J
Funding
for
pavement
management,
maintenance
and
Rehab
that
what
that
does
is
it
maintains
the
backlog
at
11
percent.
The
poor
roads
stay
about
at
the
number
they
are
now
on
average
and
it
increases
that
PCI.
Even
more
goes
up
from
65
to
67.
you'll
remember,
the
national
average
is
60
to
65..
So
this
is
a
pretty
good
recommendation
at
a
fair
amount
of
money.
That's
within
definitely
within
reach,
and
then
you
go
a
step
further
and
you
could
put
a
little
bit
more
quite
a
bit
more
money
into
that.
J
Almost
a
couple
million
more
a
year
that
really
knocks
that
backlog
down
to
only
about
eight
percent
of
our
roads
into
the
poor
in
a
very
poor
condition,
and
it
really
increases
that
PCI
that
that
I
mean
if
you
look
at
that
it
takes
us
from
a
67
up
to
a
74.
which
would
be
that'd
be
outstanding.
If
I
mean
almost.
F
J
J
This
this
chart
here
really
just
puts
these
numbers
into
a
table
into
a
chart
that
gives
each
one
of
them
a
line
here.
To
show
you
how
the
network
average
PCI
increases
based
on
those
budget
numbers
so
again,
just
a
handy
tool
that
we
as
staff
use
when
we're
presenting
budget
recommendations
and
road
work,
recommendations
to
the
city
manager
and
then
subsequently
to
the
council.
J
What
are
our
upcoming
budget
requests?
Well.
These
are
very
draft
format
at
this
point,
but
at
first
at
first
blush
Justin
has
has
built
in
here,
so
pretty
pretty
good
significant
funding
for
what
I
would
call
payment,
Management
program,
related
projects
and
the
reason
I'm
specific
with
noting
that
is
the
mill
and
overlay
the
neighborhood
reconstruct
the
large
patches,
the
crack
seal
chip,
sealant
Fox
seal.
All
those
things
are
lumped
into
projects
that
help
improve
the
pavement
condition
index
across
the
city.
J
J
So
you'll
see
here,
you
know
again
at
first
blush
I,
don't
think
this
number
will
stay
this
big.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
CIP
needs
this
year.
We've
already
talked
with
finance
officer,
Bob,
zeen
and
CR
and
manager
Mack
about
these
requests
and
the
likelihood
to
need
to
redact
some
of
these
monies
because
of
the
other
CIP
projects
that
are
competing
for
funds
in
the
212
budget,
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to.
If
you're
surprised,
this
doesn't
come
in
this
high
at
budget
time.
J
These
are
some
other
miscellaneous
requests
again
that
that
occur,
but
aren't
related
to
the
pavement
management
system,
and
some
of
these
I
just
wanted
to
provide
Justin
provided
here.
I
wanted
to
keep
in
here.
Just
give
you
a
heads
up
on.
We
do
all
the
the
dot
for
Highway
212
storm
sewer
work
once
we
get
billed
for
that.
That'll
have
to
come
out
of
our
budgets,
we're
looking
at
implementing
a
storm,
Sewer
Master
Plan,
a
drainage
study
that
would
assess
our
entire
storm
sewer
system.
J
I,
don't
know
if
we'll
get
money
in
there
yet
for
23,
but
that's
something
on
our
radar,
big
Sue
flood
control
project.
We've
talked
about
that
there's
the
potential
for
funding
needs
in
the
future
budgets
for
that
14th,
Avenue,
Bridge
replacement,
that
is
in
the
County's
jurisdiction.
If
you
think
of
the
bridge
going
over
the
Big
Sioux
River
on
14th
Avenue,
the
county
has
that
programmed
and
have
received
a
bridge.
J
Improvement
Grant
from
the
state
they'll
be
reconstructing
that,
but
have
asked
for
partnering
funding
from
the
city
in
order
to
widen
it
to
what
we
would
expect
to
see
an
appropriate
Bridge
with
for
our
future
city
growth.
So
we've
got
money
earmarked
for
those
improvements
coming
up
here
in
the
next
couple
years.
J
This
last
slide
well,
second,
to
last
slide
is
a
snapshot
of
our
Street
Maintenance
Ops.
A
lot
of
this
other
stuff
I
would
consider
engineering
related,
even
though
Rob
work
certainly
Works
closely
with
us
on
it.
Pavement
design,
pavement
rehab
the
pavement
management
system,
but
this
Dives
specifically
into
Rob's
operations
out
at
the
street
division.
J
The
reason
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
is
because
another
part
of
the
budget
here,
that's
related
to
our
Street
Maintenance-
that
you'll
be
seeing
perhaps
depending
on
where
the
city
manager's
recommendations
fall.
Is
that
Rob
and
I
have
recommended
to
add
two
new
Street
Street
Maintenance
staff
to
his
crew?
J
On
that
the
better
off
we
are
and
and
putting
to
rest
some
of
those
functional
distresses
that
we
see
on
a
lot
of
our
roads
and
we
oftentimes
hear
about
for
for
good
reason
from
the
traveling
public.
So
the
summary
so
the
street
division
staff,
we
looked
at
watertown's
current
numbers,
we're
currently
at
15..
J
Now
that
includes
the
superintendent,
the
foreman
administrative
staff,
11
operators
and
one
Traffic
Safety,
employee,
Watertown,
Back
in
1970,
had
about
10
Street
division
staff
and
that's
going
off
recollection
and
records
that
we
could
find
the
best
information
on
the
reason
we
point
this
out
is
I'll.
Show
you
on
the
next
on
the
next
diagram.
Here:
the
Stark
difference
in
the
streets
that
we've
covered
from
1970
to
now
the
City
of
Aberdeen.
They
have
a
street
division
staff
of
about
21.
J
Mitchell
at
15
and
a
half.
They
have
a
part-timer
in
there
Yankton
at
14
Brookings
at
14.
Centerline
miles
of
streets.
These
include
the
state
highways
that
run
through
each
and
every
one
of
these
communities.
So
the
city
of
Watertown.
We
have
183
miles
Centerline
miles,
not
Lane
miles,
but
Center
Line
miles
of
streets
that
we
maintain
Back
in
1970.
We
only
had
97,
so
you
know,
we've
almost
doubled
our
street
Network
since
1970.
J
and
only
increased
our
staff.
You
know
at
50
percent
five,
five
new
staff
since
then
Aberdeen
is
a
comparative.
They
maintain
about
157
miles
of
streets,
Mitchell
135
yanked
in
only
104
and
Brookings.
Only
108.,
so
you
can
see
we're
the
highest
on
this
list
for
comparable
communities
in
the
in
the
state
and
if
you
look
at
the
two
most
compare
three
most
comparable
employee
level,
wise
we're
sitting
at
the
bottom
end
with
the
lower
level
of
streets
being
maintained,
land
area.
J
This
is
the
square
miles
within
the
city
limits
for
each
one
of
these
communities.
The
reason
that's
an
important
factor
is
not
only
does
the
street
division
maintain
the
street
Network
they're,
also
looking
at
our
storm
sewer
system.
Generally
speaking,
the
larger
land
area,
a
community
has,
within
their
city
limits
the
more
storm
sewers
Network
they
have
to
maintain
as
well.
That
includes
all
of
our
open
channels,
our
waterways,
our
concrete
channels,
our
storm
sewer,
our
inlets
and
all
those
things.
J
J
This
is
that
map
that
Rob
put
together.
We
went
back
to
1970
to
show
the
city
limits
from
1970
those
are
in
the
yellow,
so
that
would
be
the
boundary
of
City
Limits
Back
in
1970,
and
the
street
Network
that
was
included
within
them
is
pretty
much
what
it
looks
like
today.
I
would
assume
for
the
most
part
and
then
the
green
or
the
teal
area,
that
is
our
2020
City
Limits.
J
That's
a
very
interesting
diagram,
I
feel
that
shows
how
we've
expanded
the
street
Network
and
some
new
residential
subdivisions
we've
annexed
a
Lake
Street
Network
all
around
the
the
lake
and
portions
of
the
north
side
of
Lake
pelican,
and
continue
to
grow,
which
is
a
great
thing.
So
this
just
helps
put
in
a
perspective
of
the
growth
we've
seen
in
those
last
50
years.
D
As
the
council
knows,
and
the
staff
knows,
I
do
also
have
some
expertise
in
this,
and
that
was
a
great
overview.
I
think
people
have
to
realize
that
we
actually
do
have
good
streets
here.
I
recently
had
family
from
Kansas
in
town,
and
they
mentioned
how
good
our
streets
were
compared
to
where
they've
been,
and
they
travel
quite
a
quite
a
bit,
especially
coming
from
Kansas,
but
they've
been
you
know
through
many
other
states,
and
they
just
got
back
from
Europe
and
and
they
went
out
of
their
way.
D
This
was
not
a
conversation,
I
started,
but
they
mentioned
how
good
our
streets
were,
and
you
know
that
goes
to
the
staff,
not
just
the
engineering
but
Rob
in
the
street
department,
doing
an
excellent
job
and
working
with
them
for
a
few
years.
I
know
how
hard
they
work
and
the
Staffing
I
know
has
always
been
an
issue,
and
hopefully
we
can
help
address
that
here
in
the
near
future.
D
But
I
think
people
are
just
looking
at
one
or
two
roads
and
then
they
make
comments
on
how
bad
our
roads
are
and
that's
not
a
fair
Judgment
of
our
street
system.
At
all,
we've
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
money
and
resources
in
general
into
this
community,
especially
recently
to
make
it
better-
and
you
know,
unfortunately,
we
do
have
some
streets
that
we're
replacing
way
sooner
than
the
life
expectancy,
but
since
Heath
has
came
on,
you
know
we
have
new
design
standards.
D
I.
You
know,
I
want
the
public
to
know
that
fixing
roads
is
a
regressive
tax
on
our
community.
So
when
we
get
the
constant
feedback
from
our
our
community
that,
why
would
you
spend
money
on
something
else
and
not
just
fix
our
roads?
Well,
we
have
to
move
forward.
We
have
to
spend
money
to
make
this
community
grow
and
fixing
roads.
I
So
as
I
look
at
those
numbers
and
say:
okay,
if
we
just
simply,
if,
if
the
cost
stayed
stagnant,
then
those
numbers
are
relative
or
not
relative.
They
are
pertinent
to
the
discussion,
but
when
we
know
that
that
the
costs
have
went
up,
we're
not
going
to
get
the
same
distance
of
Roads
repaired,
which
is
going
to
have
an
impact
on
those
numbers
as
your
percentages
and
your
PCI
numbers,
because
if
we
simply
go
I'm
just
as
an
example,
if
it's
the
233
one
year,
but
it
costs
you
458
the
next
year.
I
Let's
just
say
the
the
price
doubles
well,
you're
you're
not
going
to
achieve
those
numbers
as
far
as
percentages
you're,
just
you're
not
going
to
so
it'd,
be
interesting
to
know.
You
know
really
how
how
do
we
equate
that
information
to
blocks,
or
some
some
noted
distance
that
we
can
relate
to?
It's
just
a
comment.
I
The
question
is:
do
we
by
chance,
are
you
able
to
take
your
the
data
that
you've
collected
for
you
know
your
your
determination
of
the
road
quality
and
have
you
been
able
to
break
that
down
by
if
we
broke
Watertown
down
into
five
quadrants?
You
know
Lake
bin
one
and
then
northeast
southeast.
Whatever
those
are,
is
it
broken
down
at
all
by
some
area,
or
is
it
just
all
the
data
together.
J
It's
I'm
pulling
up
a
map
here,
I,
don't
know
if
this
will
help
answer
your
question.
Councilman
Danforth,
but
we
have
every
road,
is
mapped
by
its
condition
throughout
the
city.
So
we
can
see
where,
where
the
red
roads
are,
which
are
the
poor
ones
where
the
green
roads
are,
which
are
the
good
ones
and
they're
all
on
our
GIS
map,
we've
built
that
layer
into
our
GIS
map,
I
think
actually
councilman
Paulson,
maybe
helped
do
that
when
he
was
working
with
the
city
with
our
friends
over
at
First
District.
J
I
Correct
yeah,
because
in
just
an
observation,
I
know:
we've
got
areas
in
town
where
we've
got
roads
that
are
bad
all
over
the
place,
but
it
seems
like
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
gonna
say
the
Northeast
part
of
town,
that
the
longevity
of
the
Rose
roads
it
they're
they're
terrible
up
there,
but
are
they
any
worse
than
certain
other
areas?
Well,
probably
not.
It
just
seems
like
they
don't
last
up
there
and
is
that
a
function
of
the
water
table
up
there?
Is
it
a
function
of
what
Colin
had
mentioned,
our
our
design
and
build
standards?
J
J
Aren't
that
old,
I
think
that
what
we're
seeing
is
a
combination
or
a
culmination
of
of
things,
one
back
when
these
subdivisions
were
developed,
we
didn't
have
the
engineering
design
standards
that
we
have
in
place
today,
having
an
adequate
layer
of
base
course,
for
example,
to
make
sure
that
that
pavement
section
keeps
the
water
drained
down
and
away
from
the
pavement
surface,
isn't
a
very
important
part
of
a
street
section.
We
have
a
minimum
foot
base
course
requirement
in
our
design
standards.
J
Today,
we've
tore
into
some
of
these
streets
to
rebuild
them
and
we
found
anywhere
from
zero
to
nine
inches
of
gravel
instead
of
the
12
inches.
We
require
today
as
an
example,
so
upholding
those
design
standards
here
forward
are
going
to
be
very,
very
important
for
the
community
to
see
these
streets
last
to
the
through
the
duration.
We
would
expect
them
to
The
High
Ground
Wilderness
Area
is
definitely
a
factor
again.
That's
where
other
components
of
the
street
section
come
into
play,
we've
been
putting
in
a
lot
of
edge
drain
on
12th
Avenue
Northeast.
J
Here
that
we
just
reconstructed
this
year,
we
installed
Edge
drain.
What
is
that
that's
drain
tile?
That's
at
the
edge
of
the
base
course
underneath
that
pavement
so
again
as
that
water
comes
up
into
that
pavement
section
that
gravel
lets
it
drain
over
these
plastic
drain
tile
pipes
and
it
gets
that
water
ran
down
into
our
storm
sewer
system
and
it
keeps
the
pavement
dry
and
the
one
the
one
of
the
simplest
ways,
I
think
it
might
have
been
in
that
graduate
class.
J
Actually,
the
professor
said
the
three
worst
enemies
of
any
pavement
section
is:
are
the
three
most
important
drainage
or
design
factors
or
drainage,
drainage
and
drainage?
You
got
to
keep
that
moisture
away
from
being
underneath
that
pavement
section
in
order
for
it
to
get
its
full
useful
life
out
of
it.
So
those
are
the
things
we've
been
working
on
as
we've
worked
through
some
of
these
Street
repairs
up
in
that
area,.
H
J
By
and
large
in
the
recent
past
well
since
I've
been
here
park
and
rec
department
will
hire
their
own
contractors
to
go,
perform
maintenance
services
to
the
the
trail
system.
Now,
once
in
a
while,
you
know
Rob
could
speak
to
this,
but
once
in
a
while
Street
division
will
go
out
and
help
them
with
some
minor
Patchwork
or
repair
work.
But
if
it's
something
of
a
larger
magnitude,
they'll
hire
their
own
contractors
and
go
out
and
and
see
that
work
done.
H
J
E
Wilhauer
hey
come
here.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
I
want
to
compliment
our
staff
Echo
what
councilman
Paulson
said,
but
also
how
responsive
you
guys
are
just
as
an
example.
Just
yesterday,
as
you
know,
I
sent
the
three
of
you
and
I
copied
city
manager,
Mac
an
email,
a
couple
street
concerns
and-
and
you
all
three
responded
to
me
very
timely
and
I-
appreciate
that
so
I
want
to
compliment
you
and
just
in
general,
the
the
job
that
you
guys
do
just
a
few
questions.
E
One
I'd
like
to
Echo
what
council
Bueller
just
said
about
the
trail
system.
You
know
living
at
the
lake
or
representing
wardy,
which
includes
the
lake.
The
trail
system
around
there
I
get
a
lot
of
complaints
and
compliments
to
but
complaints,
primarily
more
so
than
to
compliments.
So
that
is
something
that
definitely
needs
our
attention.
So
anyway,
just
enough
on
the
trails
question
I've
got
about
the
pavement
management
system.
You
do
that
four
to
five
every
four
to
five
years
right.
E
Guess
you
know
my
comment
is
to
me
a
street
is
almost
to
me.
It
looks
like
almost
a
living
breathing
organism
that
can
change
literally
overnight
I
mean
you're
relying
upon
this
and
to
me
it
seemed
like,
as
you
get
in
that
second
third
fourth
year,
especially
if
you're
going
five
years.
You
get
down
that
second.
Third.
Fourth
year
is
a
pavement
management
system.
J
Yeah,
no,
that's
that's
a
very
fair
question
to
ask
in
regards
to
the
changes
that
could
occur
over
that
time.
So
what
I
could
say
to
that
is,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
pulled
up
this
slide.
We
we
try
to
keep
these
these
projects,
and
these
dollar
amounts
not
necessarily
tied
and
locked
in
with
any
one
roadway
I.
We
used
to
budget
that
way
where
we'd
list
a
specific
Street
for
X
dollars
like
14th,
for
example,
it
just
happened
a
couple
years
ago.
J
J
But
what
we
do
want
to
lock
into
these
numbers
now,
when
you
get
into
year
three
or
four
those
changes,
I
would
say:
yeah
they
they
compound
they
they
grow,
so
it
becomes
a
little
more
unknown
year
to
year,
but
I
would
also
say
that
the
the
report
we
get
is
pretty
well
put
together,
where
every
street
is
listed
in
there
with
this
recommended
surface
treatment
reconstruct
whatever
it
might
be
and
using
that
list
we
don't
go
by
that
list.
Black
and
white
say:
okay,
you're
one.
J
We
got
to
do
the
streets
a
b
and
c,
because
the
report
says
so
year.
Two
same
thing:
we
use
our
boots
on
the
ground
or
observations
year
in
and
you're
out
we
say:
okay,
we
got
to
shuffle
these
around
a
little
bit
the
report's
a
great
tool,
but
it
is
definitely
a
fluid
document
that
we
fluctuate
from
year
to
year.
Based
on
exactly
what
you're
saying.
E
E
J
J
J
E
J
J
Yeah
I
think
maybe
one
of
the
differing
factors
here
with
this
particular
project.
It
has.
It
relates
to
the
oversizing
of
that
bridge.
That's
upon
our
request.
The
county
came
to
us
and
said:
hey
we're
going
to
rebuild
this
bridge.
We
could
do
it
same
width,
size
shape.
It
is
right
now
today
what
say
you
city?
Do
you
guys
want
us
to
widen
it?
J
Do
you
want
us
to
put
sidewalk
or
pedestrian
access
on
the
sides
of
it,
and
we
said
yes
and
yes
to
both,
because
we
know
a
14th
is
a
primary
East-West
arterial
in
our
street
Network
on
the
north
side
of
town.
We
did
not
want
them
to
build
a
bridge
that
20
years
down
the
road
we
were
wishing,
we
had
them
widen.
E
K
You
mayor,
you
mentioned
the
construction
standards
have
changed
dramatically
in
the
last,
however
many
years
and
if
you
know
I
think
it
was
councilman,
Danforth
and
Paulson
both
mentioned
the
Northeast
part
of
town.
You
know
where
we
see
a
lot
of
premature,
wear
and
tear
on
roads.
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
not
construction,
management
or
maintenance
or
shouldn't
say
maintenance.
However,
it
was
standards
were
were
less.
K
What
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
you
know,
because
we
got
a
lot
of
new
developments
going
on
in
town?
What
are
we
making
sure
that
the
developers
are
standing
up
to
those
standards
other
than
just
having
them?
I
mean?
That's
that's
something
on
the
book.
What
do
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
those
standards
are
being
met.
J
Yes,
the
the
simplest
way
to
explain
that
is
well
there's
a
couple
things:
one
is
our
development
process
we're
holding
fast
to
a
systematic
process
that
we
review
the
design
we
approve
and
permit
the
public
infrastructure
going
into
every
subdivision
once
that's
approved,
we
then
try
our
best
with
the
staff.
You
know
the
Manpower,
the
bandwidth,
that
we
have
to
have
staff
out
there
on
site
to
perform
random
inspections.
J
We
actually
pull,
not
just
engineering
staff,
but
utility
staff,
Street
Maintenance
staff.
We
look
at
the
storm
sewers.
We
look
at
the
the
water
department
of
utilities,
checks
off
the
water
system.
We
look
at
the
sanitary
sewer.
We
look
at
the
curb
and
gutter
all
those
things
and
we
certify.
Yes,
it's
complete
not
only
done
out
there
in
the
field,
but
complete
according
to
the
plans
that
were
approved
and
I.
K
J
The
in
our
current
design
standards
we
do
not
require
an
edge
drain,
but
on
a
per
review
basis.
If,
if
we
know
there's
a
high
groundwater
presence,
we
are
requiring
that
developers
put
that
in
or
provide
a
thicker
base
course
section
or
some
other
means
or
alternative
designs,
so
that
we
know
we're
getting
a
good
Street
section.
So.
K
J
A
K
I
A
little
while
ago
now
this
is
private
citizen
Danforth
talking
here
a
little
while
ago,
I
had
some
work
being
done
on
the
property
of
that
one
and
Rob
Bannon
came
out,
and
we
were
just
talking
and
looking
at
some
things
and
we
just
in
general,
started
talking
about
what
the
capability
and
capacity
is
of
the
street
department
to
effectively
play
about.
You
know
what
role
do
they
actually
play
in
maintaining
our
streets,
they're,
physically,
maintaining
them
and
obviously
the
big
projects?
I
I
You
know
we're
subject
when
it
comes
to
real
asphalt
versus
the
cold
stuff
that
you
pack
in
there.
You
know
we
we're.
We
can't
produce
that
ourselves.
We
have
to
buy
that
and
I
think
this
year
that
they
opened
up
quite
late
compared
to
normal,
so
we're
subject
to
that.
So
I
guess
a
question
I
have
is:
is
what
really
is
our
our
role
and
I'm
talking
about
Rob's
department?
Now,
what
is
our
role?
I
J
I
J
I
could
provide
a
couple
comments
and,
if
Rob
wants
to
chime
in
when
I'm
done
here,
but
I
think
councilman
Danforth
really
there's
three
components
to
that.
One.
You
touched
on
material
availability,
that's
something
we
have
been
struggling
with
locally
to
have
asphalt.
Materials
available.
Rob's
crews
in
the
street
division
have
had
to
frequently
drive
to
Brookings
to
buy
from
a
different
asphalt
plant
rather
than
a
local
one
right
here
in
our
backyard.
That's
simply
based
on
their
business
plan
how
they
operate.
J
J
You
know,
Rob's
crews
are
a
little
bit
limited
to
what
how
big
of
a
street
patch
they
can
perform.
For
example,
we
don't
have
a
full-size
paver,
we
don't
have
a
mini
paver.
You
know:
we've
we've
contemplated
and
may
put
in
a
budget
request
at
some
point
for
a
mini
paver,
and
what
that
would
do,
then
is
help
broaden
our
Horizon
on
the
approach
we
can
take
on
some
of
these
patches
that
are
needed
on
our
streets
not
have
to
wait
for
a
contractor
to
come,
perform
it
at
usually
a
much
higher
cost.
J
Some
of
the
things
we've
done
in
the
recent
past
to
help
with
that
Rob's.
Looking
at
lease
rates
for
crack
seal
equipment
machinery
to
lease
those
out
rather
than
buying
one
we've
recently
having
our
budget
this
year,
that's
on
orders
buying
a
oil
distribution
tank
which
allows
us
to
put
hot
oil
in
a
tank
and
keep
it
hot.
So
we
can
use
it
for
miscellaneous
Street
treatment
projects
that
we
need
it
for.
J
We've
got
a
chip
spreader
as
part
of
our
recent
budget,
where
we
can
provide
some
of
that
oil
and
chip
on
some
of
our
street
surfaces.
Our
cells,
we're
not
going
to
do
a
full-blown.
You
know
quadrant
of
Township
seal
by
any
means
with
our
internal
forces,
but
we
can
do
some
things
with
those
resources.
J
J
J
Here,
the
last
couple
years
we've
been
mocking
a
lot
of
sediment
out
of
our
open
channels
that
accumulates
over
time
as
the
storm
water
flows
very
important,
but
often
takes
a
back
seat
and
falls
down
the
list
of
of
things
that
they're
able
to
do
based
on
the
the
staff
that
they
have
available
and
the
time
they
have
to
do
it.
In
with
that
Rob.
Your
thoughts
on
on
any
of
that
I.
L
Think
he
covered
most
of
it
really,
but
I
I
think
one
of
our
biggest
obstacles
right
now
is
getting
mixed
in
a
timely
fashion.
When
we
do
have
to
make
a
trip
to
Brookings
a
round
trip
will
take
three
hours.
You
know
down
back
and
get
to
our
location,
to
dump
it,
but
I
think
we're
approaching
right
around
50
round
trips
this
year
so
far,
so
that
is
our
biggest
obstacle
at
the
moment.
L
Of
course,
farming
stuff
out
on
a
bigger
scale,
I
I,
think,
is
good
right
now,
as
far
as
equipment
having
the
equipment
Manpower
certain
things,
such
as
as
Paving,
you
know
just
the
equipment
for
Paving,
a
large
paver
and
large
roller,
and
then
a
staff
to
do
it
is
a
whole
different
animal
than
just
patching.
You
know
like
we're
talking
the
smaller
patching,
but
we
have
talked
extensively
about
a
small
paver,
just
a
mini.
L
Basically,
that
would
run
anywhere
from
8
to
13
foot
wide,
so
a
guy
could
do
some
large
patches
quicker
when
we
do
large
patches
right
now,
it's
all
by
hand.
We
do
put
the
material
in
with
skid
steers,
but
they
smooth
it
all
out
by
hand
and
use
what's
called
a
loot,
it's
three
foot
wide
and
it's
all
with
the
eye.
L
So
it
takes
a
lot
of
work
but
yeah
we're
not
set
up
to
do
anything
real
big,
like
he
said
we're
looking
into
rentals
of
certain
type
of
equipment,
for
example
like
a
crack
ceiling,
one
of
the
best
times
the
crack
seal
is
in
in
an
open
winter,
when
it's
there's
no
snow
on
the
ground
or
on
the
road,
and
the
cracks
are
wide.
That's
a
good
time
to
do
it
and
and
we're
looking
at
things
like
that,
but
yeah.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
further
questions
or
comments.
Chair
would
like
to
say
something.
I
always
wait
for
everyone
else
to
have
their
say.
I
just
want
to
say,
I'm,
very
proud
of
the
work
that
Rob
and
his
crew
do
does
for
the
city,
but
also
the
upstairs
in
the
engineering
department
and
all
the
work
that
is
done
there
to
prepare,
because
it
takes
a
team
to
make
this
happen,
and
that
teamwork
also
includes
the
council
for
advocating
the
funds.
A
I
think
sometimes
I
amuse
that
people
talking
about
road
conditions
in
South
Dakota
is
similar
to
people
talking
about
the
weather
that
they
just
want
something.
In
common
to
talk
about,
and
very
rarely
do
people
talk,
happy
thoughts,
I'm,
not
saying
that
that
isn't
that
there
isn't
some
truth
in
complaining
about
the
roads.
But
when
you
see
that
rpci
is
at
65,
which
is
at
the
very
top
end
of
of
the
national
average,
you
can
see
that
the.
A
If
someone
is
constantly
complaining
about
the
conditions
of
the
roads,
and
then
they
just
use
the
blanket
statement
of
oh
water
tones
roads
are
terrible.
Well,
the
truth
is,
probably
all
roads
are
not
terrible,
as
the
PCI
index
proves.
It
probably
just
means
the
road
that
they
drive
most
often
is
not
up
to
their
standards.
A
I
understand
that,
because,
if
you're
driving
over
a
pothole
every
day
and
you've
got
a
nice
sports,
car
you're
going
to
not
be
happy
I
get
that,
but
the
truth
is,
and
what
I
liked
about
your
presentation
is
that
the
numbers
by
an
outside
Factor
that
grades,
the
entire
nation,
prove
that
Watertown
South
Dakota
is
doing
a
pretty
good
job
about
this.
Another
thing
that
I
very
much
liked
about
this
presentation
is
the
comparison
between
us
and
some
of
the
other
communities.
A
Now
originally
early
on
in
your
presentation,
I
was
going
to
ask
about
how
waterton's
pavement
condition
index
ranked
compared
to
other
towns
in
Arlo
in
our
surrounding
area,
and
then
I
started.
Thinking
after
more
slides
came
up
that
what
does
it
matter?
I've
always
stressed
whenever
anyone
always
says
it's
like
well
Brookings.
Does
this
or
Aberdeen
is
like
this
I?
Don't
care?
A
Watertown
just
needs
to
focus
on
Watertown
and
be
the
best
city
that
we
can
be
I,
don't
care
about
what
Brookings
is
doing.
It's
a
different
city.
We
are
our
own
entity
and
those
numbers
about
like
our
roads,
the
miles
of
Roads
the
surprise.
The
actual
miles
of
the
city
of
Watertown
prove
that
we
have
a
lot
more
that
we
have
to
deal
with
than
these
other
communities
have
to.
So
if
people
are
complaining
about
Watertown
versus
another,
you
know
another
surrounding
Town.
It
is
not
comparing
like
reality.
A
It
is
not
Apples
to
Apples,
because
our
reality
is
different
than
theirs
and
I
I.
Very
much
like
the
presentation
for
proving
that
so
I
just
want
to
stress
to
everyone
as
I
always
do,
let's
just
be
the
best
Watertown
we
can
be
and
I
think
that
we're
well
on
our
way
and
we've
already
been
doing
a
pretty
good
job.
So
thank
you
and
thank
the
council
for
everything.
So
without
hearing
anything
more.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Thank.
J
A
All
right
are
there
any
Futures,
Council
items
to
be
read
not
at
this
time.
Is
there
anyone
here
for
a
public
comment:
I,
don't
see
anyone
so
I'll
close
public
comment.
We
do
have
a
need
to
go
into
an
executive
session
pursuant
to
sdcl
125.2.
We
will
be
discussing
contractual
matters
and
we
will
not
be
taking
action
when
we
are
done
so.
The
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
go
into
executive
session
motion
made
by
councilman
Tupper
seconded
by
councilman.
Danforth.