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From YouTube: March 2021 Chapter Meeting
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March 2021 Chapter Meeting and presentation on "The Emergence of Electric Vehicles" by Scott Deatherage.
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Richard
I'll
just
say
very
quickly
that
I've
had
a
couple
messages
today
from
people
who
got
either
got
their
second
vaccine
yesterday
and
are
not
feeling
at
all
well
today
or
who
are
scheduled
to
get
their
vaccines
this
afternoon,
so
they're
not
coming.
I
thought
that
was
a
perfectly
good
excuse.
Yeah,
we'll.
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Indigenous
communities
have
suffered
genocides
and
forced
removals
from
their
lands.
We
recognize
that
we
all
are
standing
on
land
stolen
from
indigenous
people,
particularly
those
of
kickapoo
wichita,
tawakoni,
jumanos
and
comanche.
In
the
dfw
areas,
we
are
committed
to
cultivating
mindfulness
around
the
history
of
native
lands
and
communities
through
continuous
education
participation
and
active
listening.
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I'd
also
like
to
say
that
we
are
an
inclusive
organization.
We
recognize
the
the
whole
spectrum
of
human
expression
and
we
invite
our
members
to
clarify
their
desired
pronouns
in
in
their
names
on
zoom
if
they
would
like
to
and
with
that,
I
believe
we're
ready
to
turn
it
over
to
creative
spaces.
Actually,
it's
maureen
here.
Let
me
see.
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A
paradigm
shift
is
a
change
in
common
sense,
but
how
do
you
go
about
rearranging
common
sense,
especially
with
years
of
research
and
journalism?
Making
the
conversation
long
and
dense
well
sense,
isn't
something
to
try
and
enforce.
It
should
be
kind
of
endorsed
by
a
reliable
source
and
in
the
case
of
climate
change,
a
good
place
to
start
would
be
science.
Of
course.
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Our
scientists
are
in
a
position
to
advise
us
on
some
of
our
biggest
decisions
and
it's
probably
in
our
interest
to
listen,
but
also
to
invite
others
to
witness
the
vision.
The
first
way
to
do
that
is
to
be
the
vision
for
your
lifestyle
choices.
You
can
lead
the
mission
bring
the
future
to
your
present
when
it
seems
a
bit
distant.
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So
so
I
would
like
everyone
in
the
chapter,
whether
in
our
working
group
or
not,
if
they
live
in
dallas,
to
contact
their
council
candidates
and
simon
is
creating
a
master
list
for
the
responses.
So
so
what
I'll
probably
do
is
post
the
information
on
discord
as
to
those
responses
or
we're
forwarding
everything
to
simon
and
he's
bringing
that
list
together.
Early
voting
for
the
dallas
council
elections
starts
april
19th,
so
I
plan
to
share
everything
we
have
before
then.
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So
everyone
can
see
what
the
council
candidates,
where
they
stand
on,
that
we've
we've
received
several
responses
already
and
many
of
the
candidates
have
not
responded,
which
in
itself
is,
is
a
response
of
sorts
so
and
on
the
state
level.
The
state
legislature
is
in
session
and
we're
identifying
key
bills
that
demand
our
support
or
our
opposition.
There
rita
beving
with
public
citizens,
helping
us
sort
through
the
plethora
of
bills
that
have
been
introduced
there.
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So
so
again
we're
doing
things
on
the
local
state
and
federal
level,
and
our
goal
is
to
make
direct
contact
with
legislators
at
all
of
these
levels
to
influence
their
voting
and
the
and
the
bills
that
are
important
to
us
and
getting
the
whole
chapter
involved
is
really,
I
think,
our
ultimate
goal,
and
and
and
of
course
contacting
your
legislators.
Will
that
will
increase
our
our
overall
acts
of
leadership,
which
is
that's
our
chapter
so
so
so
we're?
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I
do
yes:
okay,
hi
everyone,
I'm
brittany,
so
I
wanted
to
make
an
announcement
about
a
fundraiser
that
we're
launching,
and
so
this
is
around
a
really
exciting
project.
So
it's
a
bunch
of
different
working
groups
that
are
getting
together
to
create
an
art
installation.
So
lisa
richie
has
graciously
offered
up
the
use
of
some
of
her
wall
space.
So
she
has.
She
owns
a
loft
downtown
which
is
located
near
the
farmer's
market,
so
a
lot
of
people
walking
by
this
space.
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If
you
want
to
jump
in
and
add
some
additional
information
feel
free,
so
but
anyway,
so
it's
primarily
being
designed
by
the
youth
and
young
professionals
group
and
so
as
of
right
now
the
idea
is
for
a
mural
which
would
be
on
plywood
around
the
skyline
of
dallas,
so
we'd
have
like
trees
and
more
green
spaces
added
and
potentially
a
section
around
dallas
dreams.
So
you
know
getting
people
to
think
about
and
dream
about.
You
know
what
dallas
could
be
like.
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A
green
dallas
could
be
like
and
then
also
there
we've
been
talking
a
bit
about,
maybe
incorporating
plastic
trash
or
plastic
bags.
You
know
to
get
the
message
out
about
the
issue
of
plastic
pollution
so,
and
that
may
be
something
that
you
know
we
could
have
it'd
be
interactive,
so
people
could
come
up
and
and
post
garbage
that
they
had
found
plastic
trash
that
they
had
found.
So
those
are
some
ideas,
there's
a
meeting
tomorrow
to
discuss
the
design
in
more
detail.
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So,
but
our
ask
for
the
chapter
is
so
we
we're.
We
need
to
procure
all
of
these
supplies
to
to
build
out
the
mural,
and
so
you
know
it
requires
paint
and
the
plywood,
so
we're
we're
launching
this
fundraiser
to
hopefully
collect
the
funds
that
we
need
to
create
this.
So
our
goal
is
to
collect
a
total
of
eight
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
So
we're
asking
members
to
support
us
support
this.
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This
great
initiative
by
donating
to
the
chapter
website
and
I'm
gonna
drop
the
link
in
the
chat
here
and
I'll
actually
just
drop
a
bunch
of
background
information
about
this
in
the
chat
itself.
So
I'll
provide
the
link.
We
do
ask
that
you
donate
to
the
local
chapter
the
dfw
chapter,
because
there
is
a
link
for
the
national
chapter
or
not
chapter
but
the
national
organization
as
well.
So
these
funds
we
need
to
go
to
the
local
chapter
and
we'll
also
be
sending
out
an
email
reminder.
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This
is
an
organization
that
trains
people
primarily
from
south
dallas
in
historically
disadvantaged
neighborhoods,
in
the
skills
necessary
to
get
a
job
to
install
solar
panels
and
during
the
training
program,
they're
also
introduced
to
prospective
employers
michael
martin,
who's
on
the
call
sits
on
their
board
as
the
president.
Currently
to
kick
off
that
that
fundraiser,
I
put
out
a
a
message
to
just
about
a
dozen
15
people
in
the
chapter,
mostly
old
retired,
guys,
like
me,
not
entirely,
but
quite
a
few
of
us
who
I
thought
could
could
kick-start
this
this
fundraising
campaign.
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I
was
absolutely
blown
away
by
the
generosity
of
the
people
in
this
chapter
we
raised
over
a
thousand
dollars
in
one
day
in
one
day,
from
the
very
small
list
of
people
that
I
contacted.
So
I
just
I'm
announcing
that
that
check
is
already
on
its
way
to
green
careers
dallas,
but
I
didn't
want
everybody
else
to
feel
left
out.
So
we
we
got
this
great
proposal
for
this
art
project.
Now
everybody
else
has
a
chance
to
join
a
fundraiser
too.
I
I
hope
that
you
will
all
be
equally
generous.
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Those
of
you
who
gave
the
first
time
around
could
please
give
again
I'll
leave
it
there,
but
I
I
think
that
this
is
a
project
as
I'm
hearing
it
evolve.
That
has
the
potential
to
get
a
lot
of
of
notice
by
the
public,
some
publicity
for
the
chapter,
so
please
give
generously,
and
and
let's
help
this
involves
the
creative
group,
the
youth
and
young
professionals
and
the
plastics
group.
So
three
of
our
working
groups
are
going
to
have
a
role
in
this.
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
thing
to
get
behind.
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I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
acting
as
consultant
to
the
young
people,
because
I've
had
a
bit
of
experience
in
this
field
and
if
any
of
you
have
contacts
with
the
press,
I
think
it's
a
very
sexy
story
having
a
group
of
young
people
painting
and
dreaming
what
dallas
could
be
in
the
future
and
you
can
either
email
me
or
brittany
or
whoever
you
like.
If
you
do
have
those
contacts,
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
wanting
to
fundraise
for
this.
It's
really
terrific.
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A
He
published
in
2011
carbon
trading
law
and
practice
published
by
oxford
university
press.
So
he
has
32
years
as
an
environmental
and
energy
attorney
he's
negotiated
over
50
solar
leases
and
sales
of
more
than
25
solar
projects,
he's
created
and
negotiated
energy
storage
agreements,
including
demand
response-based
distributed
projects,
he's
advised
clients
in
utility
scale
and
distributed
energy
and
energy
storage
projects.
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And
finally,
his
experience
in
drafting
and
negotiating
utility
scale.
Solar
leases,
commercial
and
industrial
power,
purchase
agreements
and
leases,
energy
storage
agreements,
membership
interest,
purchase
agreements
for
sale
of
renewable
energy
projects,
epc
contracts
and
other
related
agreements,
and
he's
going
to
be
talking
about
evie
today
and
I
think
you're
going
to
really
enjoy
his
presentation.
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E
Electric
vehicles,
in
my
view,
are
a
new
technology,
while
they're
a
car
they're
so
different
from
our
experience
with
traditional
internal
combustion
engines
or
what
I'll
refer
to
as
ice
vehicles
that
it
really
is
a
total
revolution
in
how
we
move
move
about
and
transformation,
and
so
I
think,
as
we
move
through
this
process
and
what
we've
seen
in
the
past,
we'll
see
a
lot
of
the
so-called
laws.
If
you
will
of
computers
and
tablets
and
smart
phones,
those
same
sorts
of
processes,
events
developments
that
we
saw
in
those
technologies.
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Let
me
give
you
a
little
a
mental
experiment
here,
let's,
let's
say
you're
with
your
family,
on
the
beach
before
television,
internet
and
radio,
it's
a
beautiful
day,
you're
thinking
what
a
great
idea
was
to
come
to
the
beach
for
the
next
week.
But
what
you
didn't
know
was
there
was
a
hurricane,
that's
well
out
of
view,
but
it's
going
to
reach
your
beach
in
about
48
hours.
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E
My
position
is:
is
that
you
know
the
the
dye's
been
cast
or
is
the
french
sails
you
saw?
The
cards
are
played
we're
we're
going
to
transition
into
electric
vehicles,
at
least
at
the
lighter
vehicle
world
and
and
I'll
be
as
bold
to
say.
Is
you
are
going
to
drive
an
electric
vehicle?
You
just
don't
know
it
yet,
and
I
think
that
doesn't
apply
to
this
crew,
but
applies
to
the
total
population.
United
states.
It's
inevitable
that
most
people
by
the
end
of
this
decade
will
be
driving
an
electric
vehicle.
E
E
E
What
they
found
is
most
people
said:
okay,
well
great
I'll,
wait
till
you
sell
that
better
computer
and
I
won't
buy
your
computers
this
year
and
it
it.
It
affects
how
technology
is
sold
by
a
company,
but
it
also
detects
affects
technology
more
broadly,
so
people
begin
to
start
looking
for
the
next
best
thing.
You
know-
and
we
saw
this
a
lot
back
in
the
early
days
of
computers.
When
you
said,
should
I
buy
my
computer
now.
E
E
They
said
the
next
generation
of
fully
electric
vehicles
with
larger
batteries
is
a
far
superior
generation
of
products
than
any
vehicle
burning
fossil
fuels
in
an
internal
combustion
engine.
This
is
considered
fact
by
many
who
know
both
types
of
vehicles
and
to
them.
There's
no
discussion
about
it
and
I'll
get
into
why
that
is
in
a
minute.
E
There's
also
this
concept
of
rights
law,
which
means
that,
as
as
you
as
you
make
more
of
a
product,
particularly
technology,
you
can
see
the
price
dropping
by
half
over
time
or
or
some
percentage,
and
so
the
more
computers
that
were
made,
the
cheaper
they
got.
The
more
cell
phones
were
made,
the
cheaper.
They
got
the
more
batteries
that
are
being
made,
the
cheaper.
They
got
the
more
solar
panels
that
are
built,
the
cheaper
they
got,
etc,
etc.
So
so
we
see
that
happening.
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E
E
E
E
E
Now
I
I
come
from
an
ecological
background.
I
studied
ecological
sciences
as
early
as
high
school
and
college,
and
so
I
kind
of
look
at
the
world
as
an
ecosystem.
There's
a
science
of
complexity
that
really
focuses
on
this
and
some
of
the
things
about
that
science.
Look
at
small
changes
can
lead
to
big
changes
in
the
system.
There
are
feedback
loops.
E
I
I
think,
as
you
see,
you'll
see
a
feedback
loop
where
evolving
technology
and
the
market
change
desires
of
car
purchasers
will
enable
more
regulation.
Because
then
the
regulation
seems
more
friendly
to
the
public
and
more
regulation
will
drive
more
market
change
and
technology,
innovation,
and
so
combined
with
that
and
consumer
preferences,
which
I
think
will
evolve,
will
cause
a
snowball
effect
and
more
and
more
people
will
want
to
have
electric
vehicles.
E
E
This
is
a
fancy
concept
I
came
up
with
when
I
was
teaching
climate
change
law
at
the
university
of
texas,
and
the
idea
was
that
a
a
jurisdiction
that
has
no
authority
over
your
jurisdiction
can
implement
legal
and
policy
changes
that
changes
the
market
for
a
particular
product
or
and
and
drives
it
to
a
to
it's
much.
So
it's
much
cheaper,
it's
a
much
better
product
and
then
people
in
your
jurisdiction
start
to
implement
it
or
purchase
it,
because
it's
cheaper.
It's
superior
technology.
E
The
the
example
I'll
give
and
we'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit
is:
is
solar,
photovoltaic
panels?
California
imposed
requirements
to
put
in
solar
a
massive
amount
was
installed
which
drove
a
lot
more
manufacturing,
which
under
wright's
law,
of
course,
led
to
lower
pricing
and
in
the
deregulated
texas
market
without
any
requirements
for
imposing
solar,
it's
cheaper.
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E
E
They
were
called
ibm
personal
computers
and
we
thought
we
had.
You
know
landed
on
the
moon
because
we
had
these
incredible
computers
and
they
weren't
used
all
that
much
before
that.
But
then,
obviously,
as
I
said
earlier,
totally
revolutionized
how
law
firms
practice
the
economics
of
law
firms
and,
of
course,
in
the
broader
society
you
know
computers
are
ubiquitous
now
and
in
the
pricing
dropped
dramatically.
The
same
could
be
said
of
smartphones.
E
E
The
same
is
true
for
wind,
as
the
price
of
wind
generation
came
down,
the
growth
of
wind
power
in
the
u.s
and
globally
has
increased
dramatically
and
just
as
a
side
note,
it's
really
markets
in
in
texas
at
least
that's
killing.
The
coal
industry
wins
the
cheapest
wholesale
price
for
energy
generated
in
texas.
E
Solar
is
right.
There
with
natural
gas.
Natural
gas
is
cheaper
than
coal,
so
so
coal
is
just
not
getting
distributed
to
the
market
and
they're
close
they've
closed
down
coal
plants
because
they
just
can't
compete
in
the
texas
market
and
we've
seen
in
the
in
the
in
the
energy
related
generation
of
co2.
E
E
So
so,
how
is
all
this
going
to
evolve?
How
will
evs
and
the
eb
ev
ecosystem
evolve?
Well,
what's
really
driving
the
price
for
the
most
part
for
electric
vehicles?
By
no
surprise
is
the
price
of
a
battery
a
lithium
ion
battery,
because
at
one
point
the
cost
of
the
battery
was
60
or
70
percent
of
the
vehicle.
E
If
you
look
look
at
you
know,
tesla
first
came
out,
you
know
10
years
ago
the
the
number
of
teslas
in
the
marketplace
has
grown
dramatically
and
in
as
you
can't
really
see
it
in
this
graph,
but
the
reason
they
grew
so
rapidly
as
they
introduced
the
model
3
and
then
the
model
y,
which
were
much
less
expensive
than
the
expensive
model.
S
sedan
and
the
very
expensive
model
x.
Suv.
E
Now
I
want
to
really
present
something
that
I
think
shows
where
the,
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road
with
respect
to
electric
vehicles
and
california
is
the
best
market
to
see
this,
because
the
the
largest
number
per
capita
or
the
largest
number
of
actual
vehicles
or
percentage
are
found
in
california.
California
is
leading
the
country
once
again
in
a
new,
exciting
technology
that
is,
has
low
pollution
and
reduces
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
E
E
This
is
another
fascinating
slide
is.
If
you
look
at
the
best-selling
suvs
sold
in
california.
Again,
tesla
is
bumping
up
against
the
best-selling
toyota
and
honda
products
and
rapidly
moving
up
and
the
toyota
I
mean.
Excuse
me:
the
model
y
has
only
only
been
out
a
little
while,
maybe
maybe
a
year
or
so.
E
So
what
what
are
the
relevant
trends
with
respect
to
electric
vehicles?
Well
over
time
as
production
increases
batteries,
and
then
electric
vehicles
will
continue
to
become
cheaper,
like
computers
and
smartphones
until
they
are
a
large,
a
large
part
of
the
car
and
suv
market?
We've
already
seen
this
in
california,
it's
going
to
spread
across
the
country
and
very
soon
you'll
see
that
evs
will
will
probably
in
a
number
of
years,
be
actually
cheaper
than
fossil
fuel
vehicles
and
where
they
are
today
is
there's
a
lower
cost
of
ownership.
E
What
does
that
mean?
Well,
it
means
that
the
maintenance
costs
are
much
less
I
mean
an
electric
vehicle
is
a
is
basically
an
expensive
golf
cart,
there's
just
not
many
moving
parts.
There's
no
oil
changes.
There's
no
there's
few
there's
not
really
any
belts.
There's
no
fuel
injectors!
All
the
things
that
go
wrong
with
our
current
vehicles.
Just
don't
exist
on
an
electric
vehicle
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
fuel
costs,
electricity
is
just
much
more
cheaper
than
gasoline
or
diesel,
so
ergo,
better
technology
at
lower
cost
beats
incumbent
technology.
E
If
the
consumer
base
is
already
headed
in
that
direction-
and
I
think
that's
where
we're
starting
to
go
shortly
is
true
in
california,
but
I
think
will
be
true
across
the
united
states
in
the
next
couple
of
years
and
in
all
of
this
tesla
and
the
change
in
cars
is
is,
is
creating
a
massive
change
in
the
auto
manufacturing
business.
General
motors
has
changed
their
logo
to
look
like
an
electric
plug
they're
claiming
they're
going
to
have
you
know,
10
or
20
electric
vehicles,
the
next
four
years.
E
E
Charging
at
home
won't
be
necessary
because
we'll
have
charging
stations
much
like
gas
stations
and
we'll
have
private
funding
of
charging
government
entities
won't
build
these
things.
They
may
provide
incentives
or
rebates,
as
is
exist
in
some
current
regular
legislation.
That's
being
considered
right
now
in
congress,
california
is
going
to
lead
the
way
and
by
doing
so,
they're
going
to
drive
down
the
price
and
I'll
see
I'll.
I
I
believe
that
we'll
see,
then
that,
as
the
price
goes
down,
we'll
see
the
growth
of
the
sales
of
these
vehicles
in
other
states.
E
In
the
electricity
generation.
Space
is
we'll,
have
a
significant
reduction
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
transportation
and
also,
very
importantly,
in
places
like
dallas,
where
our
local
air
pollution
is
largely
driven
from
vehicles,
we'll
see
a
great
reduction
in
local
air
pollution
and
increase
our
health
in
in
the
major
cities
in
this
country
and
around
the
world
anyway,
that
that's
my
presentation
for
today.
I
hope
you
enjoyed
it
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
you
know
hear
any
comments.
D
To
jump
in
real
quickly,
thanks
very
much
for
the
presentation,
I
I
found
it
fascinating.
One
of
the
things
that
that
I'm,
I'm
particularly
interested
in
I've
talked
to
you
about
this.
A
bit
before
is
how
to
really
speed
this
process.
Here
in
dallas-
and
I
I
note
your
your
last
slide
or
the
one
just
before
saying
that
it's
really
going
to
be
private
companies
that
are
going
to
be
doing
most
of
the
ev
charging
station
installation.
D
But
if
I'm
worried
that
in
a
city
like
dallas
we're
going
to
go,
kicking
and
screaming
into
the
21st
century,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
while
coming.
So
what?
What
can
we
do
to
speed
this
process
along
and
I'm
particularly
interested
in
what
we
do
to
make
evs
available
in
the
less
economically
advantaged
parts
of
the
city
as
they
become
more
affordable
and
certainly
so
much
easier
to
maintain
over
time?
So
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
local
scene?
If
you
would
please.
E
E
California
has
passed
a
law
that,
in
in
the
construction,
permitting
process
that
local
cities
have
to
provide
an
expedited,
permitting
process.
So
if
the
city
of
dallas
and
really
not
just
dallas
itself-
and
I
mentioned
this
to
the
to
the
call-
the
north
texas
council
of
governments-
is
if
we
could
develop
a
model
ordinance
that
would
expedite
and
get
rid
of
some
of
the
you
know:
slow
slowness
of
getting
these
projects
permitted.
E
E
That
expedites
and
processes.
This
and
then
perhaps
develops
training
for
the
inspectors
for
the
city,
people
so
that
they
understand
how
electric
charging
works.
What
are
the
issues?
And
so
it's?
It's
not.
You
know
someone
walks
in
with
a
a
request
for
a
building
permit
and
they
go
man.
I
don't
even
know
where
to
start.
E
There
will
be
like,
like
in
the
ice
vehicle
world
as
time
goes
on.
There
will
be
the
opportunity
to
buy
electric
vehicles
coming
off
of
lee,
so
they're,
three
or
four
years
old,
and
that
will
help
provide
lower
priced
electric
vehicles
that
people
with
less
money
can
purchase,
and
then
they
get
the
benefit
of
lower
operating
and
fuel
costs.
So
those
are
the
two
things
I
would.
I
would
mention.
J
So
it
seems
to
me
that
it
might
be
smaller
cities
around
dallas
might
be
a
bit
more
responsive
to
pressure
from
the
citizens,
and
then
another
thought
is
one
of
the
members
of
the
los
angeles
climate
reality
sells
used
electrical
vehicles,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
pass
that
on.
What
do
you
think
about
the
coming
from
the
small
cities
towards
the
big
cities.
E
E
There
may
be
some
advances
that
could
come
from
smaller
cities
than
dallas,
and
you
know
I
will
say
that
the
north
texas
council
of
governments,
though,
is
very
much
interested
working
on
there's,
there's
a
working
group
that
consists
of
10
or
15
cities
in
the
dallas
fort
worth
area.
Looking
at
issues
like
charging
and
electric
vehicles,
you
know
the
other
thing
that
cities
can
do
is
is
is
transition
their
own
vehicles,
because
what
that
does
is
it
creates
a
demand
for
those
vehicles.
E
E
E
We
all
have
to
be
aware,
of
course,
that
if
cities
start
doing
some
things
that
our
friends
in
austin
may
decide
to
pass
legislation
that
bars
cities
from
doing
that,
I
mean
the
examples
that
you
know:
plastic
bag
regulations,
so
that
that's
the
only
downside
of
trying
to
move
too
quickly
is.
Maybe
you
get
get
the
the
sort
of
farther
right
groups
in
in
the
state
legislature
and
the
governor's
mansion
who
try
to
keep
cities
from
doing
those
things.
A
C
Yeah
I
wanna
I
wanna
commission
from
scott
on
this,
but
my
son's
film
school
in
la
gives
free
charging
for
electric
vehicles
and
in
europe
aldi
is
giving
free
charging
for
shoppers,
so
they're
finding
they're
actually
getting
rid
of
their
fuel
bills,
which
is
a
major
incentive
for
buying
the
cars.
But
my
question
may
go
to
michael
martin:
can
solar
be
effectively
used
to
speed
charge
an
electric
vehicle?
Do
we
know.
E
You
know
it,
it
depends
that
the
stations
we're
building
require
so
much
electricity
that
the
amount
of
solar
you
can
put
on
that
location
really
and
we
will
be
putting
solar
on
our
locations,
but
you
just
can't
put
enough
solar
to
really
make
it
dent
in
the
power
demand.
I
mean
the
the
the
real
solar
we
would
use
would
be
and
we're
focused
on
southern
california.
E
The
solar
panels
are
going
to
be
in
the
desert
producing
power,
and
then
you
know
that
that
power
will
be
coming
to
us,
but
there's
there's
I
mean
you
can
use
some
really
slow
chargers
and
there's
not
fast
yeah.
There's
a
company,
I
forget,
forget
its
name,
but
they
have
like
a
unit.
That's
got
a
solar
panel
and
a
charger,
but
in
in
you
know,
there's
different
levels
of
charging.
There's
level
one.
That's
like
in
your
house
really
slow,
maybe
takes
eight
to
ten
hours
to
charge
your
vehicle
level.
E
C
C
So
if
I
may
I'll
just
comment
real
quick,
I
I
think
that
what
would
what'll
be
cool
mickey.
I
think
one
things
we'll
see
happen
is
that
because
gas
stations
to
scott's
point
or
what
you
said
michael
about
aldi,
given
free
charging-
and
you
know,
half
price
books
has
had
their
charging
station
forever.
It's
the
different
kind
of
venues
where
people
are
going
to
go
charge
places
they
want
to
hang
out
gas
stations
are
in
and
out
quickly
and
they're
concentrated.
C
Eventually,
you
know.
Companies
like
scots
and
others
will
put
charging
stations
in
destinations
like
restaurant
shopping
venues,
which
may
have
solar
on
the
roof,
which
then
you
can
tile
that
together
to
your
point,
mickey
and
it
could
get
interesting,
but
I
was
just
going
to
observe
or
ask
the
question
scott
of
you
that
to
my
point
a
moment
ago,
really
it's
it's.
Where
we
go
fill
up,
our
electric
cars
is
gonna,
be
completely
different
right.
C
It's
not
gas
stations
and
the
notion
of
using
gas
stations,
maybe
they'll
still
they'll
kind
of
be
irrelevant
sites
anymore
to
some
extent
right,
because
they
take
too
long,
and
you
can't
put
that
many
cars
in
a
gas
station
for
30
minutes
to
charge,
as
opposed
to
other
places
where
you
hang
out.
What
are
your
thoughts
about
the
ideal
venues
for
your
charging
and
other
charging
systems.
E
I
think
I
think
that
that's
really
the
key.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
way
we're
going
to
deal
with
that,
but
you
know,
like
I
said:
we're
not
we're
not
ready
to
we're
about
six
months
to
a
year
away
from
announcing
what
what
our
plan
is.
But
but
it
is,
it
is
a
different
animal
than
a
gas
car
and
because
of
physics,
I'm
not
sure
we'll
ever
get
to
the
point
where
you
can
truly
fill
up
an
electric
battery
vehicle
as
fast
as
you
fill
up
with
gasoline.
E
I
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
a
physicist,
but
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
studying
battery
technology
and
the
physics
behind
it,
and
so
that
that
may
be
difficult,
although
there's
so
much
money
and
research
being
put
into
batteries
right
now
billions
of
dollars,
you
know
all
the
major
universities
and
all
the
major
you
know:
europe,
the
united
states,
china,
there's
so
much
research
going
into
battery
technology
that
maybe
there
is
a
battery
that
evolves
in
sometime
in
the
next
decade.
That
can
can
fill
that.
F
H
C
F
So
I
see
a
lot
of
focus
on
increasing
the
capacity
of
these
batteries
and
availability,
and
it
looks
very
bright,
but
the
side
effect
of
all
these
is
the
you
know.
The
raw
materials
and
lithium
is
a
very
important.
So
are
you
guys
or
those
who
are
manufacturing,
and
do
you
have
an
answer
about?
How
will
this
aspect
be
addressed?
F
E
You
know
the
the
availability
of
lithium
is
is
is
an
incredibly
important
critical
issue
for
cars
and
all
kinds
of
batteries
we
use
in
our
computers,
our
phones,
etc.
Now,
now,
tesla's
approach
is
actually,
as
I
understand
it,
trying
to
work
all
the
way
down
to
the
mine
in
reserving
and
contracting
lithium
so
that
for
them
they
know
they
have
a
source
of
lithium.
E
C
E
They
may
need
some
repairs
and
refinement,
but
then
those
batteries
could
be
used,
for
example,
to
store
energy
at
a
wind
farm
or
a
solar
farm
for
some
number
of
years,
and
then
when
they
get
to
the
end
of
that
useful
life.
There
are
a
lot
of
people,
there's
companies
that
are
developing
a
business
to
recycle
those
batteries,
get
the
lithium
and
other
metals
and
then
send
them
back
to
the
battery
factory.
E
So
there's
already
a
an
ecosystem
developing
where
you
know
we're,
not
we're
not
exactly
going
to
be
able
to
take
these
lithium
batteries
from
a
car
and
put
them
in
a
landfill.
That's
just
never
going
to
be
able
to
happen,
so
they
will
have
to
be
recycled.
Now,
as
an
environmental
lawyer
for
the
last
30
plus
years,
I
mean
it
would
be
naive
to
think
that
the
manufacturing
of
lithium
batteries
and
cars
don't
have
environmental
impacts
they
do.
E
But
if
you
look
at
the
life
cycle
of
fossil
fuels,
manufacturing
of
ice
vehicles
in,
in
my
view,
the
environmental
impacts
of
the
electric
vehicle
ecosystem
is
much
less
both
in
terms
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
other
environmental
impacts
than
you
know.
The
oil
companies
in
the
current
auto
manufacturer.
So
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
make
vehicles
for
our
use
around
the
world
without
some
environmental
impact.
I
I
just
believe
that
this
is
a
huge
step
forward
in
reducing
the
environmental
footprint
of
transport.
E
C
E
G
J
G
E
Well,
there's
probably
a
couple
of
ways:
you
could
do
it
I
mean
you
could
do
it
on
mileage.
But
again,
how
do
you?
How
do
you
get
that
data
to
a
state
agency?
One
of
the
ways
to
be
just
a
you
know:
a
a
fee
on
a
vehicle
on
an
annual
basis
based
on
an
estimated
you
know
number
of
miles,
traveled,
it's
not
perfect,
but
it
would
work.
E
I
guess
you
could
all
also
then
have
a
tax
on
the
electricity
that
goes
from
the
charger
into
the
vehicle.
We
certainly
can
measure
that
that's
easy
technology,
but
I
think
in
the
near
term,
because
there
aren't
that
many
electric
vehicles
out
there,
because
we
want
to
encourage
these
vehicles
to
be
sold
and
be
on
the
market.
I
think
we're
way
too
early
to
start
charging
evs
to
contribute
to
the
infrastructure
of
roads.
I
think
in
time
when
they're
saying
20
or
30
percent
of
or
more
of
the
vehicle
population
then
yeah.
E
I
think
we'll
have
to
start
doing
that
because
we
will
have
to
maintain
the
roads,
and
so
you
know
we'll
have
to
have
some
sort
of
taxing
system
to
do
that.
But
I
think
there's
several
ways
we
could
do
that
now.
My
own
preference
would
be
you
just
have
a
carbon
tax
on
ice
vehicles
and
and
leave
the
evs
alone
for
a
few
years.
But
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
popular
in
the
state
of
texas.
G
G
Like
you
say,
if
we
go
to
30
or
40,
you
know
market
share,
then
you
know
we'll
we'll
have
to
do
something
right,
because
because
we
haven't
had
a
gas
tax
since
19
increase,
since
I
think
1993
and
you
know,
texas,
roads
have
fallen
behind
so
bad
that
now
we've
got
toll
roads
that
are
completely
unaffordable
for
many
particularly
low
income
people.
So
anyway,
thank
you.
You
bet
I.
B
Hey
yes,
so
kind
of
touching
on
the
battery
and
the
charging
situation.
At
the
same
time,
I
was
wondering:
do
you
know
anything
about
operations
that
would
be
swapping
out
the
batteries
for
cars?
So
let's
say
that
you
wanted
to
get
a
really
quick
charge
and
instead
of
sitting
around
at
a
charging
station,
you
actually
just
swap
your
battery
out
for
a
fresh
one.
B
I
know
that's
not
likely
to
be
something
that's
standard
across
various
you
know
makes
and
models,
but
just
a
thought
I
had
that
that
could
reduce
some
of
the
need
for
having
a
lot
of
outlets
all
over
the
place
or
or
you
know,
sort
of
parking
garages
full
of
charging
cars.
Instead,
you
might
have
a
swap
system
that
allowed
people
to
keep
moving.
E
I
just
I
just
think,
and
it's
so
similar
to
what
we
do
now.
I
I
think
and
bait
our
business
is
based
on
that
assumption
that
we
will
pull
in
and
charge
a
vehicle.
So
I
I
I
that's.
That's
a
that's
been
an
ongoing
discussion
and
when
we
were
out
talking
all
these
private
equity
funds,
we
got
that
question
over
and
over
again.
But
I
don't,
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
the
dominant
technology.
E
E
Yeah
and
if
the
tesla,
for
example,
you
know
there's
settings
on
all
that,
so
you
know
you
can
set
your
vehicle
so
that
it
stops
charging.
I
think
that's
preset
at
like
80,
maybe,
but,
but
I
think
they
use
they
use
that
percentage
and
estimating
you
know
the
number
of
miles
you
can
get
per
charge.
So
they're,
not
cheating
you
by
saying.
E
Well,
you
can
get
275
miles
or
really
set
the
battery
at
80.
So
you
really
only
get
250
miles.
My
understanding
is
there.
The
mileage
they're
predicting
is
based
on
on
those
preset
restrictions
on
you
know
not
going
over
80
or
90
and
not
discharging
below,
say
10,
because
the
sweet
spot
in
charge
is
somewhere
between
10
and
20
percent
and
60
and
80
so
and
if
you're,
if
you're,
you
know,
let's
face
it,
you
know.
No,
you
know
very
few
people
are
driving
200
miles
on
a
daily
basis.
E
So
if
you
pull
in
and
you've
got
30
miles-
and
you
add
60-
that's
going
to
get
you
through
the
week
or
the
next
couple
of
days.
So
you
know,
there's
there's,
unfortunately
way
too
much.
Time
spent
worrying
about
you
know,
can
I
get
200
miles?
Can
I
get
300
miles
and
I
was
I
was
having
this
interesting
conversation
with
a
friend
of
mine,
I've
known
since
I
got
I
was
out
in
law
school.
E
We
worked
at
a
law
firm
together,
very
bright
guy
as
a
computer
stock
trading
company
using
artificial
intelligence,
and
he
said
well,
you
know
I'd
really
like
an
electric
vehicle,
but
you
know
several
times
a
year.
I
drive
to
houston,
you
know
and
other
places
I
said
well,
why
don't
you
buy
the
tesla
you
want
and
then,
when
you're
traveling,
rent
a
vehicle
and
he's
like?
Oh
my
god,
you
just
solved
the
problem
for
me,
I'm
like
well,
it's
not
that
complicated.
E
If
you
don't
want
to
drive
an
electric
vehicle
across
the
country
right
now,
you
know
that's
what
hertz
is
for
so
and
and
really
you
know
what
I
mean,
what
our
company's
focused
on
is
urban
charging.
There
is
charging,
obviously
that's
out
there
to
get
from.
You
know
I've
known
people
in
dallas,
who've
driven
to
san
francisco
with
their
tesla,
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
to
map
that
out
now
on
the
tesla
screen.
E
You
can
just
map
it
out
on
your
screen
because
they
have
all
their
charging
stations
built
into
their
software
and
hardware.
So
you
can
do
it.
It's
just
you
know
if
you
don't
feel
comfortable
doing
that,
get
get
your
tesla
that
you're
going
to
drive
99.9
of
the
time
in
the
same
area
where
you're
driving
10
to
30
miles
a
day
and
if
you
don't
feel
comfortable
driving
an
electric
vehicle
across
the
country,
rent
a
car.
It's
really
simple.
A
A
D
Thanks
richard
and
scott
thanks
again,
I
I
think
that
was
terrific
and
obviously
people
would
would
stay
and
ask
questions
a
long
long
time
and
I
think
we'll
probably
be
coming
back
to
you
giving
me
the
the
last
few
minutes
of
the
meeting
is
is
always
dangerous.
I
get
to
I
get
to
hit
my
my
favorite
topics.
D
Acts
of
leadership,
we're
getting
we're
getting
reports
now
holiday,
is
starting
to
really
keep
track
of
what
we're
doing,
I
will
just
say
we're
ahead
of
the
schedule
in
terms
of
how
many
were
recorded
last
year.
We
did
over
1300
last
year
and
we're
ahead
of
that.
So
please
keep
it
up.
I'm
I'm
preaching
to
the
choir
here
in
this
meeting.
D
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
very
quickly.
Applications
are
still
being
accepted
to
be
a
mentor
at
the
april
training.
Most
of
the
people
on
this
call
are
trained
leaders.
We
don't
have
a
huge
list
of
people,
who've
applied
from
the
dallas
fort
worth
chapter,
so
I
think
it's,
the
terrific
experience
contributes
a
lot
to
the
organization.
Overall,
we
do
know
that
we
have
at
last
count
56
people
from
north
texas
applying
to
the
april
training.
That's
a
lot
of
people
who
need
mentors.
D
So
if
you
haven't
thought
about
mentoring,
please
give
it
a
thought
and-
and
please
apply
so
I
was
not
slated
to
present
today-
brie
fear
of
sammy
was
going
to
be
making
a
contribution
from
the
self-care
group,
but
suddenly
she
got
a
chance
to
bump
her.
I
think
she's
changing
apartments
to
this
weekend,
so
I
agreed
to
pinch
it
and
just
offer
something
from
the
self-care
group.
D
D
We
put
in
all
that
work
on
the
election
biden's
elected.
Thank
god
boom
we're
done
so
we
really
want
to
bring
every
meeting
something
along
the
lines
of
of
taking
care
of
yourself
very
much
in
the
spirit
of
what
the
creatives
have
been
doing.
They've
been
opening
our
meetings
with
these
wonderful
contributions
that
I
think
open
up
our
imaginations
and
and
invite
us
to
keep
imagining
a
better
world,
and
we
want
to
keep
bringing
messages
about
taking
care
of
yourself,
but
we're
not
just
offering
this
at
the
end
of
meetings.
D
I
want
to
remind
you
that
once
a
month
we've
got
a
pair
of
people
in
the
group
who
are
offering
something
extra
every
other
month.
Liam
r
is
offering
a
free
yoga
class.
You
don't
have
to
have
any
experience
in
yoga
if
you've
never
stepped
on
a
mat
in
your
life
come
to
come
to
leah's
class.
I
attended
her
class
last
last
month.
D
It
was
excellent,
really
really
well
led
next
week,
maria
salman,
who
some
of
you
met
last
month
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
she
led
us
in
a
little
guided
meditation
is
doing
something
called
a
listening
circle.
I
put
up.
I
put
a
link
to
that
in
the
chat
I'm
going
to
drop
it
in
the
chat
again,
please
consider
coming.
D
We
see
these
listening
circles
which
he
has
a
lot
of
experience,
leading
as
a
place
where
you
can
meet
other
people
in
the
chapter
since
we've
been
on
zoom
for
quite
a
long
time,
we
don't
get
the
same
opportunity
to
really
get
to
know
one
another
come
to
the
listening
circle.
Do
a
little
personal
sharing
get
to
know
other
people
in
the
chapter,
so
that
then
we
can
be
more
connected,
take
better
care
of
ourselves
and
each
other.
D
With
that,
I'm
going
to
say
something
by
the
way
of
sending
you
out
in
a
good
mood.
It's
it's
an
amazingly
beautiful
day.
I
spent
a
couple
hours
this
morning
in
my
garden.
One
of
the
main
things
that
I
do
to
take
care
of
myself
is
spend
time
in
the
garden.
I
love
a
line
from
a
wonderful
book
of
the
past
year.
D
D
I
didn't
know
that
blackberry
vines
were
quite
as
aggressive
as
they
are
by
the
end
of
the
summer.
It
had
jumped
up
above
the
biggest
trellis
that
we
could
manage
to
put
in
our
little
plot,
and
then
it
climbed
all
the
way
over
to
the
pergola
in
the
center
of
the
community
gardens.
The
pergola
was
on
the
right
in
this
photo
and
that's
the
blackberry
climbing
up
over
the
top.
Some
of
those
vines
are
now
more
than
30
feet.
Long
last
summer
they
were
already
covered
in
berries,
beautiful
as
they
are.
D
D
I
want
to
bring
a
poem
from
the
canadian
author
margaret
atwood.
Many
of
you
know
her
as
the
author
of
a
handmaid's
tale,
also
a
fierce
writer
about
climate,
a
trilogy,
a
kind
of
dystopian
climate
trilogy
that
led
to
a
whole
movement
in
its
own
right,
but
she's.
Also,
a
marvelous
poet
comes
from
her
new
collection.
D
D
Some
are
unripe
reserved
for
bears
some
go
into
the
metal
bowl.
Those
are
for
you,
so
you
may
taste
them
just
for
a
moment.
That's
good
times.
One
little
sweetness
after
another,
then
quickly
gone
once
this
old
woman.
I'm
conjuring
up
for
you
would
have
been
my
grandmother
today.
It's
me
years
from
now.
It
might
be
you
if
you're
quite
lucky
the
hands
reaching
in
among
the
leaves
and
spines
were
once
my
mother's.
D
I
pass
them
on
to
you
decades
ahead.
You'll
study,
your
own
temporary
hands
and
you'll.
Remember
don't
cry!
This
is
what
happens.
Look
the
steel
bowl
is
almost
full
enough
for
all
of
us.
The
blackberries
gleam,
like
glass
like
the
glass
ornaments.
We
hang
on
trees
in
december
to
remind
ourselves
to
be
grateful
for
snow.