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A
B
Pop,
I
really
appreciate
you
having
me
here.
It
was
great
to
be
on
the
podcast
with
you
before
and
yeah.
It's
funny,
I'm
walking
around
this
show
and
everybody's
like
oh
stu,
the
cube's
here
I'm
like
well,
yes,
the
cube
is
here,
but
actually
I'm
not
the
cube
anymore.
So
I've
been,
you
know,
working
for
red
hat
for
a
year
now
and
everybody's
like
oh,
but
do
you
still
do
the
cube?
I'm
like
you
know
the
cube's,
not
like
a
podcast
or
side
hustle
or
things
like
that?
B
It's
you
know
I
was
an
analyst
and
it's
a
media
organization.
You
know
we
had
clear
disclaimers
as
to
where
money
came
and
we
did
a
lot
of
shows.
It's
like
yeah.
No,
on
my
side,
I'll
just
you
know,
go
to
30
or
40
shows
a
year,
and
do
you
know
hundreds
of
interviews
and
stuff
like
that?
No,
that
was
a
full-time
job.
I
was
humping
it
for
a
decade
with
them
love.
Those
guys
was
great.
I
was
on
again
today
with
furrier
and
talking
about
what's
going
on
so
yeah,
it's
interesting
here.
B
A
Nice,
so
everyone
I
have
to
do
the
disclaimer.
I
kind
of
forgot
to
do
that
real
quick.
So
this
is
a
cncf
broadcast.
Please
we
we
follow
the
code
of
conduct
here,
so
please
be
kind
and
wonderful
to
each
other
in
the
chat
interact
with
folks.
We
have
a
jam-packed
day.
Today
we
have,
we
have
brad
giesman
and
duffy
cooley
from
sig
honk.
They
had
a
talk
today,
stu,
you
know
where
they
they're
awesome
people.
We
have
caslin
fields
here,
priyanka
is
going
to
be
here.
A
B
A
A
C
C
Exploitable-
and
it
was
actually
a
really
interesting
challenge
because
we
were
trying
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
kind
of
map
what
we
had
learned
about.
The
run
c
vulnerability
in
in
run
c
to
doc,
or
two
kubernetes
right,
because,
like
that,
that
is
vulnerable
is
one
thing
but
but
like
how
can
we
actually
do
this
with
kubernetes?
How
can
we
do
this
with
an
orchestration
layer?
And
that
was
the
challenge
before
us,
and
so
the
four
of
us
got
together?
C
We
spent
about,
I
think,
10
10
14
days,
something
like
that
kind
of
hacking
on
it
and
got
it
working,
and
then
there
was
much
honking
and
we
actually
just
presented
kind
of
our
work
around
what
that
was,
and
some
of
the
key
takeaways
are.
You
know
really
dig:
don't
don't
give
up
on
stuff
like
this?
If
this
is
actually
something
that's
interesting
to
you,
just
keep
powering
through
and
keep
trying
stuff
until
you
find
ways
to
to,
you
know,
exploit
the
world
and
figure
it
out.
You
know.
D
C
D
B
It
it
it's
funny
brad,
you
know
this
morning
in
the
keynote
priyanka
was
talking
about
team
cloud
native
and
for
people
that
don't
know
it's
like
well
come
on.
We
all
have
our
jobs.
We
have
thing
to
do,
but
this
community
I
mean
very
much,
is
built
on
you
know.
I
know
I've
been
in
this
long
enough
that
people
move
my
boss,
dave
vellante,
used
to
say
there's
a
hundred
of
us
in
99
seats
and
we
go
round
and
round-
and
it's
not
you
know
the
knife,
fight
of
red
sox
versus
yankees.
B
A
Look,
you
know
like
all
of
us,
I
I
you
know
I
was
the
the
emcee
for
two
sessions.
Was
the
scene
see
an
ebpf
day
with
w
cooley
and
the
tag
security
day,
and
it
was
like
look
the
way
that
I
said
it
was
look.
There's
no
one
tool,
there's
no
one
project,
there's!
No,
that
that
solves
all
these
issues.
It's
that's
where
the
community
is
is
being
able
to,
like
you
know,
address
those
things.
Yeah.
C
And
really
driving
into
our
community
like
a
culture
of
learning,
you
know
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
thing
I
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
brad
and
I's
goal
from
the
beginning,
like
whenever
we
whenever
ian
brad
rory
and
I
get
together.
Our
goal
is
to
really
kind
of
drive
that
culture
of
learning
into
what
we're
doing.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
iterate
and
kind
of
lean
on
the
community,
get
their
legs
underneath
them
and
then
go
out
there
and
thrive.
You
know
and
another
thing
on
the
community.
C
That
was
really
kind
of
amazing
me
so
far
here
at
kubecon.
This
is
the
first
in
person
kubecon
we
missed
it.
We
missed
a
couple:
we've
been
virtual
and
and
kind
of
struck.
You
know
struggling
to
connect,
I
think
a
little
bit,
and
so
it's
been
kind
of
a
high
emotion,
kind
of
a
really
and
an
intense
feeling
that
I'm
getting
kind
of
from
the
community
here.
At
this
event,
right,
it's
been
a
great.
It's
been
a
great
session
and
I
also
have
been
I've
been
really
fortunate
to
meet
a
few.
B
B
C
C
It's
also
really
good
to
see
the
virtual
ones
still
going
strong
right,
like
the
sig.
The
the
hallway
track
in
the
in
slack
is
also
just
alive
and
well.
I've
been
seeing
all
the
applause
for
the
talks
and
the
support
of
everybody
there.
So
I'm
really
glad
you're
here,
whether
you're,
here
in
person
or
whether
you're
here
virtually
I'm,
really
I'm
really
glad
you're
here.
A
D
C
D
A
No
doubt-
and
it's
also
like
I
said
it's
good
actually
going
out
and
kind
of
seeing
your
friends
grabbing,
you
know
a
seltzer,
a
soft
drink
of
some
sort
and
you
know
just
being
able
to
just
fraternize
and
and
I
we
I
really
enjoyed
that
aspect
of
it.
I
want
to
ask
just
kind
of
this,
the
last
question
for
you
all
and
that's
like
what
are
the
things
like
you're
looking
forward
to
this
week.
C
I
mean
for
me:
I
think
it's
really
just
been
kind
of
getting
reconnected.
You
know
I
I
was
personally
definitely
struggling
with
like
really
feeling
disconnected
from
the
community
in
this
last.
You
know
18
months
of
the
long
dark
tea
time
of
the
soul,
and
so
for
me,
I've
really
been
feeling
very
energized.
I've
been
talking
to.
I
don't
consider
myself
necessarily
an
extrovert,
but
I
know
I
I'm
more
of
an
ambivert.
C
It
can
kind
of
go
either
way,
but
I
can
definitely
tell
that
a
lot
of
my
extrovert
friends,
I'm
actually
getting
to
see
here
at
this
event,
are
really
like
those
batteries
are
getting
their
first
charge
in
a
long
time.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
like
it's
really
great
to
see
like
you
know
that
happen.
B
C
E
C
Like
it's
a
lifetime
or
two
yeah,
we
just
did
a
whole
ebpf
day
and
we
have
like
many
other
great
things
planned
for
next
year.
Already,
like
evpf,
is
really
taking
off,
and
I
I
mean
I,
I
personally
moved
to
I
surveillance
during
that
whole
long,
dark
tea
time
of
the
soul
and
have
really
kind
of
immersing
myself
in
evp
and
that
whole
space-
and
it's
been
really
refreshing,
like
I
think
I'm
I'm
used
to
when
entering
into
like
a
new
technology
like
isoven
or
psyllium.
A
A
All
that
and
it's
it's
a
triumph,
and
I
remember
the
day
that
john
luca
barolo,
you
know
from
from
cystic,
like
put
together
like
literally
how
to
do.
You
know,
captures
and
some
of
the
stuff
with
ebpf
driver-
and
I
was
looking
at
this-
and
I
was
like
this
technology-
is
what
and
then
I
have
graf
on
the
podcast
and
thomas
groff
is
brilliant.
Absolutely.
D
D
E
D
Huge
and
I'm
very
curious
to
see
where
people
are
making
practical
solutions
of
a
previously
very
difficult
problem.
You
know:
where
do
I
establish
trust
out
of
what
the
wild?
How
do
I?
How
do
I
bring
that
in,
but
still
get
the
value
and
the
velocity
out
of
open
source
right?
And
so,
when
I
see
projects
that
are
doing,
you
know
step
in
and
levels
and,
and
you
know
with
salsa
that
you're
you're
easing
into
it.
That
is
an
approach
that
I'm
excited
to
see.
You
know
successful
honestly,.
A
A
D
C
B
A
B
Pop,
so
you
talk,
you
know
one
of
the
things
looking
forward
is
funny.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
in
this
community,
but
I
tell
you
for
me,
like
I
got
to
meet
a
lot
of
co-workers
people
I've
only
seen
on
you
know,
google
meet
and
zoom
meetings,
and
you
know
a
million
email
trails
and
you
have
all
the
it's
like.
Oh
wait
that
person's
taller
or
shorter
things
like
that
or
you
get
to
build
rapport
and
talk
about
things
like
that.
So
I
want.
B
Yeah,
so
so
it's
funny
we
actually
did
a
hybrid
event,
which
was
really
interesting
because
one
of
the
things
we
always
do
so
openshift
commons
in
case
the
audience
doesn't
know,
is
community
event,
really
talk
about
things
they're
doing
and
at
its
core.
It's
it's
practitioners.
So
we
wanted
users
to
be
able
to
speak
and
we
had,
I
think,
four
or
five
different
presentations
for
users.
B
All
of
them
were
remote,
but
we
still
brought
them
in,
but
we
had
people
on
stage.
We
had
some
great
beakers,
clayton
coleman.
You
know
what's
up
on
stage
sasha
rosenbaum.
What
was
up
what
was
up
on
stage
many
of
them
and
we
did
lightning
rounds
with
a
bunch
of
the
partners
but
switching
between
on
main
stage
to
hybrid
a
couple
of
minor
technical
glitches.
You
know
you
understand
streaming,
you
know.
Sometimes
it's
like.
B
Oh
rtmp
had
like
a
30
second
delay
and
then
sorting
some
of
these
out,
but
for
the
most
part
it
went
well,
and
you
know
I
I
think
it
was
a
great
experience
here.
Hybrid
is
here
to
stay.
Yes,
I
mean
you
know
great
to
see
where
they
were
announced.
Where
we're
going
to
be
in
valencia
and
detroit
next
year,
I
don't
know
if
next
year
gets
back
to
as
big
as
what
we
had
before.
B
How
long
will
that
take
amazon
re
invent's
only
going
to
be
15
to
20
000
later
this
year,
so
hybrid's
here
to
stay?
You
know
it's
nice.
We
don't
necessarily
have
to
go
in
person,
but
you
can
go
build
relationships.
I
mean
I
love
just
in
the
morning
I'll
sit
down
at
a
table
and
you
know
meet
some
people
that
you
know
you
never
would
have
met
online
or
you
know
in
a
chat.
So
there's
there's
that
but
yeah
commons
was
awesome.
B
A
It
was
fantastic
again
in
terms
of
the
knowledge
it
was
given.
Also,
like
you
said,
this
hybrid
platform
is
here
to
stay
so
with
that
our
next
guest
here
is
caslin
fields,
who's
a
developer
advocate
with
google,
and
she
had
a
keynote
today.
So
come
on
down
caslin,
it's
the
first
time.
I've
as
again
we
talked
about
zero.
It's
the
first
time
I
actually
seen
one
of
my
dear
friends
like
one
of
my
favorite
pen
pals,
so
welcome
to
the
daily
recap.
Caslin,
with
your
cape
awesome
flew
in
it's
okay.
B
F
Oh,
I
love
it
as
I
was
just
telling
a
few
people
earlier.
People
are
asking
me
what
I
do
here
and
like
we're
all
trying
to
get
to
know
each
other.
So
a
lot
of
people
ask
about
hobbies
and
I'm
like
well,
I
do
art,
and
one
thing
I
was
telling
everyone
is.
I
have
way
too
many
hobbies
and
the
only
way
I
can
have
that
many
hobbies
is
to
combine
them.
F
F
A
So
before
I
get
into
my
question,
I
want
to
just
make
sure
that
folks
are
also
following
cloudnative.tv
again
we're
honored
and
privileged
to
have
our
we
had
our
four
thousandth
follower
during
kubecon
excited
because
you
know
we,
you
know
we
built
this.
All
together,
see,
there's
caslin's
show
she
has
a
show
on
cloud
native
tv,
it's
called
fields
tested.
So
my
question
to
you
is
this:
is
you
know
talk
to
me
about
your
keynote?
F
F
We
want
someone
from
the
community
who
knows
what
they
like
and
knows
what
they
want
to
give
this
keynote,
and
so
they
gave
it
to
me,
which
I
was
amazed
and
super
excited
about
and
humbled
by,
and
so
I
said
great,
this
is
google's
keynote.
What
do
you
want
me
to
say
to
people
and
they
were
like
you're?
The
community
expert.
Do
what
you
think
they'll
like,
and
I
was
like
okay.
F
F
F
F
A
F
B
Yeah
and
castle
and
you're
so
right,
because
you
know,
if
you
get
the
right
person,
they
can
make
databases
interesting.
It's
not
just
you
know,
columnar
versus
this,
and
that
and
everything,
but
you
know
that's
why
this
community,
I
mean
like
show
your
inner
geek.
You
know
really
enjoy
that
thrive
in
it
and
maybe
that
will
connect
for
for
the
audience.
Yeah.
F
I
have
a
friend
who
anything
he
talks
about.
If
he's
passionate
about
it,
do
not
care
I'm
going
to
listen
all
day
long,
that's
how
I
kind
of
figured
out.
You
know
as
long
as
you're
excited
about
what
you're
talking
about,
and
it
might
be
something
you
didn't
think
was
exciting.
It
start
at
the
start
of
it.
But
if
you
have
to
talk
about
it,
maybe
you
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
exciting
to
you
and
then
it'll
be
exciting
to
everybody
else.
F
F
A
F
Yes,
bart
and
kunal
and
chris
short,
who
does
not
have
a
show
up
there,
but
he
does
like
podcasting.
He
does
so
many
different
things,
so
we're
all
members
of
the
contributor
community
here
in
kubernetes
and
we
all
really
care
about
getting
new
people
involved.
So
the
panel
is
about
teaching
people
ways
that
they
can
get
involved,
that
they
might
not
have
thought
about
at
first.
A
lot
of
people
think,
oh,
I
have
to
know
how
to
code
and
go.
I
have
to
understand
all
this
stuff
about
kubernetes
get
involved.
F
You
don't
really
there's
a
lot
that
you
can
do.
Kubernetes
is
giant
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
skills
that
are
needed
and
a
lot
of
different
activities
that
we
need
to
have
done.
So
we
want
to
have
lots
of
different
types
of
contributors
and
that's
what
the
panel
is
about,
and
then
google
has
like
a
a
virtual
booth
on
slack,
so
I'm
checking
out
the
slack
environment.
I
love
that
because
it
combines
the
virtual
folks
with
the
in
person.
B
Yeah,
it's
interesting
because
google
does
not
have
a
physical
booth
here
at
the
show,
but
you
have
quite
a
number
of
speakers
here.
You've
also
got
your
own
virtual
event
going
on
at
the
same
time,
so
yeah
a
little
bit
interesting
to
see,
because
you
know
google
usually
is
a
pretty
large
on-site.
Prime.
F
B
The
panel
and
the
slack
I'm
curious
how
we
were
talking
just
a
bit
about
just
being
hybrid
and
reaching
that
audience
and
participating.
You
know
you
want
to
talk
and
meet
and
with
everybody
here,
but
you
also
need
to
feed
that
audience.
How
are
you
finding
that
the
hybrid
nature
so
far,
because
it's
something
we
need
to
learn
about,
because
we've
done
virtual
now
for
a
year
and
a
half
now
hybrid,
is
like
another
relearning.
F
Yeah,
it's
very
interesting.
I
was
very
curious
how
it's
going
to
go
and
we're
only
one
day
in
so
I
think,
there's
still
more
to
learn
here.
Definitely,
but
so
far
I've
been
impressed
with,
like
I
was
talking
to
some
folks
in
the
show.
Okay,
some
people
felt
like
it
was
kind
of
empty,
but
I
really
felt
like
there
was
a
lot
going
on.
There
were
a
lot
of
people
walking
around
those
conversations
that
we've
missed
during
virtual,
where
you
just
run
into
somebody,
and
you
start
talking
about.
F
F
F
Know
it
was
great,
but
the
virtual
folks
are
who
I
really
want
to
hear
from
right
now,
like
how's
this
conference
going
for
you,
I've
heard
several
people
here
saying
I
kind
of
want
to
do
a
mixture.
I
want
to
be
in
person
for
some
stuff,
but
I
want
to
watch
some
of
the
talks
online
at
home
so
that
it's
less
commute
time
or
just
a
little
bit
more
convenient
for
me
when
I'm
getting
ready
in
the
morning
or
whatever.
A
Yeah,
I
think
again,
that's
the
one
thing
like
being
able
to
reach
out.
I
think
folks
we
talked
about
it
earlier
in
the
hallway
track,
is
just
going
into
the
channel
and
being
able
to
say
hey.
What's
going
on,
people
are
applauding
people's
talks
and
keynotes,
which
is
great,
but
also
you
think
about
it.
F
F
A
B
A
B
A
Like
I
said,
if
you
have
simple
and
good
ingredients-
and
you
just
combine
them
in
such
a
way-
that's
like
you
know
easy
and
all
that,
but
it's
literally
like
four
ingredients.
It's
like
you,
know
olive
oil
well
more,
like
five,
but
you
know-
and
but
I
I
have
in
here-
if
you
go
into
the
thing,
I'm
like
don't
be
using
like
the
kraft
mac,
you
know
the
craft
cheese.
You
got
to
go
for
the
good
stuff
right
and
I
think
I
said
I'll
I'll.
A
Kick
you
all
out
of
cloud
nate
if
you
do
get
the
cheap
stuff,
but
you
know
it's
it's
it's
a
wonderful
thing.
This
whole
thing
is,
I
mean
it's
great,
there's
stuff
from
andy
randall,
folks,
from
like
container
solutions.
You
know
it's,
it's
literally
the
who's
who
in
the
space
I
just
loved,
being
part
of
that.
So
I
need
an
autograph.
I
will
autograph
it
yeah
right.
There
that'd
be
awesome
yeah.
This
is
great
again.
One
of
my
heroes
is
asking
for
an
audit
one
of
my
heroes.
Like.
A
Let
me
talk
about
this
right.
Everyone
says
and
I've
had
him
on
the
podcast
episode
50.
Everyone
at
podcast
pop,
if
you
want
any
more
details,
but
I've
had
stu
on
and
the
man
is
a
legend
to
me
and
and
I've
learned
so
much
from
you
in
in
like
how
you
you
know
even
being
here
and
watching
the
little
stuff
that
you
did.
I
was
like
this.
This
is
like
a
dream
come
true
for
me,
so
I
thank
you
so
much
for
being
on
the
show.
B
We
talk
about
community
pop
and
it
it
is,
you
know,
shows
like
this,
where
I've
had
so
many
people
that
have
watched
videos,
that
I've
done
lots
of
people
that
I
have
interviewed
over
the
years
here.
It's
about.
I
learn
as
much
or
more
from
them
as
they
do
that
skill
set
of
being
able
to
sit
and
just
be
natural
and
just
kind
of
go
with
the
flow.
It
takes
some
time
and
you
understand
you
learn,
and
you
know
I
watch
lots
of
media
people
and
things
like
that,
and
luckily
I
had
some.
B
You
know:
production
people,
the
people
behind
the
scenes
that
walk
there.
It's
like,
if
you
ever
do
video
listen
to
them.
They
know
what
they're
doing
it's
like:
hey,
you're,
doing
that
weird
thing
or
you've
got
this
verbal
tick
or
you
know
they
will
give
you
feedback
on
that
and
then
you
you
work
to
adjust
it
so,
like
anything
else,
it
can
get
better
over
time,
but
yeah.
A
B
A
G
G
B
A
G
It's
also,
it
seems
less
gimmicky.
Like
I
remember
at
previous
events,
we
had
like
spin
the
wheel
to
win
some
swag
just
so
we
could
get
a
line
of
people
at
the
booth,
and
now
it's
like
people
are
genuinely
interested
in
what
we're
talking
about
all
in
all.
I
think
it's
a
much
more
positive
experience.
A
G
I
was
at
the
open
source
conference
in
seattle
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
and
that
was
the
first
opportunity
to
really
experience
what
the
linux
foundation
was
doing
with
the
clear
pass
and
the
vaccination
stuff,
and
I
felt
I
felt
unsure
going
into
that,
but
I
felt
better
almost
immediately
after
attending
it,
and
I
knew
that
this
was
going
to
be
amazing.
I
find
that
overall,
the
participants
have
been
for
the
most
part
participating
in
all
of
this
stuff,
but
but
the
general
consensus,
I
think,
is
well
my
personal
feeling
is
that
it's
absolutely
safe.
G
A
G
Oh,
my
gosh.
We
have
there's
so
much
going
on
at
susa
that
I'm
not
even
aware
of
but
the
stuff
that
I'm
most
excited
about.
Are
the
innovation
projects
related
to
the
new
open
source
things
that
we
have
coming
out.
So
somebody
was
asking
me
earlier
of
all
of
the
stuff:
that's
going
on
what
what
is
the
most
interesting
rancher
desktop
is
amazing.
So
that's
a
kubernetes
on
your
desktop
and
they
just
integrated
that
with
nerdy
ctl.
G
So
you
can
actually
get
almost
a
docker
cli
compatibility
from
container
d
kuborten,
which
is
admission
policy
inside
of
kubernetes
clusters
using
webassembly.
So
you
can
pre-compile
your
policies
as
binaries.
You
can
use
the
same
one
in
all
of
your
clusters
everywhere
in
dev
and
qa,
and
production
they're,
considering
making
like
a
hub
for
that.
So
you
can
actually
download
policies
that
other
people
have
built
and
and
then
get
the
acceleration
that
comes
from
community
sharing.
G
If
I
had
to
pick
one
more
trying
to
run
it
through
the
list
in
my
head,
opinio
is
also
pretty
cool.
The
pineal
is
a
new.
Well,
there
was
rio
for
those
of
you
who
know
rancher.
There
was
rancher
rio,
which
was
really
cool
until
they
stopped
building
it
and
then
it
well.
It
was
still
cool.
Opinion,
was
kind
of
the
the
evolution
of
that.
G
It's
a
developer
targeted
push
solution,
so
I
don't
call
it
a
framework
or
whatever
you
deploy
it
into
a
kubernetes
cluster,
and
then
your
developers
can
just
literally
push
their
code.
It'll
build
it'll,
run
it'll,
link
everything
together
without
them
having
to
necessarily
understand
what's
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
or
you
know
the
stuff
that
developers
allegedly
don't
even
care
about
they're
like
kubernetes
yeah,.
G
I
am
I'm
a
booth
slave.
I
I
come
to
events
I
so
I'm
doing
live
streaming
from
our
booth
and
the
partner
people
bless
them.
Put
me
back
to
back
from
10
30
until
five
every
single
day
I
get
like
two
half
hour
breaks,
so
the
things
that
I'm
most
excited,
I'm
one
wheeling
to
the
hollywood
sign.
I
wish
that
I
could
go
to
other
things
that
are
happening
actually
at
the
event,
but
it's
just
it's
just
not
going
to
happen.
B
I,
I
guess
adrian
it's
interesting,
you
know
I
mean
I've
known,
shang
and
shannon,
since
you
know,
before
the
kubernetes
days,
rancher,
you
know
started
out
in
the
container
space.
It's
it's
like
the
desktop
product
is,
you
know,
sounds
like
an
opportunity
with
what
docker
made
changes
in
in
there
yeah.
How
much
you
know
is
some
of
the
tooling
just
focus
on
developers
versus
you
know,
building
kubernetes
and
all
the
other
projects.
On
top
of
it.
G
G
I
feel
that
kubernetes
and
I've
been
saying
this
for
a
while.
Kubernetes
is
almost
a
commodity
at
this
point,
so
we've
all
like
there's
no
differentiation
in
deploying
kubernetes
clusters,
there's
there's
less
differentiation
in
making
kubernetes
accessible
and
and
oh
god,
I
can't
even
say
I
was
going
to
say,
flattening
the
curve.
But
that
means
something
else
now
it
used
to
be.
G
I
talked
about
the
learning
curve
of
kubernetes
was
almost
vertical,
and
so
what
rancher
was
doing
was
was
trying
to
to
soften
that
so
that
you
had
the
ability
to
use
kubernetes
without
necessarily
needing
to
take
the
time
to
learn
it.
You
could
learn
it
on
your
own
time,
but
even
that
now
it's
like
okay.
People
know
how
to
use
kubernetes
now,
so
the
the
story
that
everyone's
telling
is
is
the
developers
like?
Oh
the
developers,
are
this
they're,
these
mythic
beasts
in
the
forest
that
nobody
knows.
G
Want-
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
necessarily
true-
I
think
that
that
we
need
to
get
kubernetes.
We
need
to
really
play
on
the
kubernetes
as
a
commodity.
We
need
to
make
it
so
kubernetes
is
so
easy
to
use
or
the
people
are
so
comfortable
using
it
that
that
they
can
leverage
its
power
in
whatever
way
they
want
that
might
be
with
developers.
G
G
I
believe
that
everybody
has
the
power
within
themselves
to
do
anything
that
they
want
to
do
so
if
you
have
a
dream,
don't
let
anybody
tell
you
not
to
do
it?
Don't
let
anybody
tell
you
that
you
can't,
I
don't
know
who
I'm
talking
to
or
which
camera
I'm
even
supposed
to
be.
Looking
at.
Don't
listen
to
anybody
else.
Just
do
the
things
that
you
want
to
do
and
believe
that
you
can
for
no
other
reason
than
because
you
believe
that
you
can,
and
you
too
will
be
right.
G
B
San
diego,
the
the
the
electronic
scooters,
were
definitely
hopping.
I
tried
them
a
couple
of
times
in
san
diego
no
way
I
would
use
them
in
la
there's.
Big
signs
on
them
do
not
use
them
on
the
sidewalks.
That's
the
only
place
they
use
them
here.
So
la
I've
enjoyed
it
a
little
bit.
The
weather's
been
perfect
for
us
here,
but
yeah
not
using
the
electronic
scooter.
A
No
doubt
no
doubt
hey,
I
want
to
introduce
somebody
else
so
like
so.
Basically,
hey
you
also
like
priyanka,
vijay
and
steven
are
in
a
board
meeting
thing
they're
coming
right
out
and
to
be
fit
momentarily,
but
I'm
gonna
invite
somebody
he's
frederick
coots
he's
from
spiffy
spire.
He
did
a
really
good
talk
on
software
supply
chain,
which
you
know.
It's
probably
one
of
the
hottest
topics
here
at
kubecon.
B
A
B
B
A
A
A
B
Well,
it's
interesting,
you
know,
but
building
off
what
adrian
was
just
talking
about
it's.
We
want
to
talk
less
about
kubernetes,
something
I've
been
saying
at
this
show
for
a
number
of
years
before
I
joined
red
hat,
is
we
better
be
talking
more
about
cloud
native
than
we
are
about
kubernetes,
because
it's
the
ecosystem?
It's
all
the
other
pieces,
it's
everything
we
can
do
on
it
and,
oh
by
the
way,
you
know
something.
B
A
lot
of
our
customers
are
turning
to
us
and
saying,
oh,
and
when
I
go
to
the
cloud
you
can
manage
that
for
me
on
a
cloud
service-
and
you
know
great,
you
got
an
sre
team
awesome.
I
can
then
focus
on
building
things
on
top
of
it,
because
kubernetes
is
an
enabler.
It's
not
the
thing.
It's
like
what
the
internet
was.
It's
like
what
linux
has
done
for
the
entire
ecosystem.
Kubernetes
is
great,
but
it's
not
magic.
B
It's
a
pretty
thin
layer,
there's
all
the
other
things
that
it
enables
and
starts
on
top
of
it,
so
that
you
know
that
that
that
that's
what's
been
powerful.
So
you
know
yes,
we
still
talk
a
lot
about
kubernetes,
but
you
know
right
secure
supply
chain.
Oh
my
god,
I
heard
that
the
the
event
on
monday
was
packed
and
absolutely
it's
something
you
know
we
here.
We
we
had
some
speakers
from
the
red
hat
side
that
that
are
part
of
it.
Yeah
I
mean
you
know.
Security
can't
be
any
more
important.
A
A
doubt-
and
actually
here
comes
our
next
ho.
You
know
our
next
guest
up
here
lackey
come
on
up,
come
on
up
yeah
you
yeah
yeah,
we're
live
come
on
down
yeah
here
he
is
everyone,
lachlan
evanson
from
microsoft,
all
right
running
for
the
steering
committee
of
the
kubernetes
steering
committee.
All
please
make
sure
you
give
a
vote
to
one
of.
E
E
Do
yes,
we
do
and
talk
about
the
keynote
yeah.
I
think
some
interesting
things
if
I
was
to
start
with
the
keynotes
today
I
had
the
fortunate
privilege
of
sitting
in
the
room,
so
that
was
great.
I
think
there
were
a
couple
of
highlights
for
me.
I
think
seeing
durotab
from
a
t,
so
at
t
becoming
a
member
of
the
cncf
was
great.
E
You
know
that
speaks
to
me
having
that
representation
from
the
telcos
coming
in
it
speaks
to
the
maturity
of
the
cncf
and
and
the
things
that
we're
building
in
the
cncf.
So
I
think
that
was
a
great
milestone.
I
felt
really
good
about
seeing
you
know
that
kind
of
faith
in
the
cncf
and
the
projects
there.
So
that
was
a
great
highlight
you
know
this
morning
for
me
is
seeing
that
kind
of
commitment
from
the
folks
over
at
att
so
commendable,
and
I
really
like
katie's
end
user.
E
B
Well,
I
I
still
like
that
you
brought
that
up,
because
that
is
something
it's
been
challenging
for
this
event
is
the
end.
Users
usually
are
up
on
stage
and
giving
a
lot
of
presentations,
and
we
were
just
talking
about.
We
held
open
shift
commons.
Yesterday
we
had
a
few
end
users
speaking
all
of
them
were
virtual
yeah,
so
that's
been
that
mix
of
who's
in
person
and
who's,
not
so,
there
haven't
been
as
many
end
user
speakers
in
the
event,
but
I
mean
that's
the
driver
for
this
event
in
this
community.
B
E
You
know
tim
tim
actually
got
up
and
his
message
was
about
being
seen
and
he
shared
his
personal
experience
about
his
heritage,
his
native
american
heritage,
and
how
important
it
felt
he
felt
like
an
outsider
of
these
events,
so
it
was
all
about
you
know,
building,
inclusive
and
being
seen
in
representation.
So
as
part
of
that,
you
know,
listening
to
tim
share
his
story,
which
he
was
really
vulnerable
on
stage.
You
know,
and
I
really
appreciate
that,
because
I
can't
imagine
how
challenging
that
is
to
get
up
on
stage
and
share
that
message.
E
He
had
some
some
local
native
americans
from
you
know.
First
nations
people
actually
get
up
whose
land
this
was
that
this
event
is
being
held
on
this
part
of
la
get
up
and
do
a
welcome.
We
call
them
welcome
to
country
in
australia,
but
a
welcoming
ceremony,
and
we,
you
know
it
was
just
it
was
extremely
touching,
and
you
know
I
was
I
I
said
to
tim.
E
I
was
actually
tearing
up
just
seeing
you
know
those
beautiful
cultures
and
having
that
representation
and
seeing
them
on
stage
and
knowing
that
you
know
they
had
this
land
before
it
was
la
and-
and
you
know
they
were
here,
so
it
was
incredibly
touching
for
me
and
I
I
really
commend
tim
for
taking
that
you
know
pushing
that
forward
and
getting
that
in
front
of
the
the
audience
so
kudos
to
him.
I
really
am
still
touched
and
blown
away,
and
I
did
see
tim
afterwards
and
told
him.
A
E
A
E
Yeah
I've
got
to
get
to
that.
I've
got
a
reservation.
I
think
they're
calling
me
up
on
the
phone
right
now.
You
know
the
story
I'm
sharing
tomorrow
and
not
to
spill.
All
the
beans
is
a
story
about
how
the
community
came
together
to
collaborate
on
big
things
right
and-
and
this
is
a
it's
it's
steeped
in
you-
know,
contributors
from
all
over
the
place.
You
know
red
hat's
had
a
massive
part
in
this.
E
Google's
had
a
massive
part
in
this,
but
it's
about
a
five-year
journey
to
deliver
this
massive
feature
set
into
kubernetes
and
everybody
how
they
had
to
come
together
and
the
power
of
that
strength.
So
I
won't
you
know
I
won't
spoiler
alert
it,
but
it's
really
just
it's
more
a
message
about
hey.
We
can
do
hard
things
together
and
you
know
this
community
is
super
strong.
So
I
you
know
as
we
compiled
it.
It
was
like.
You
know
that
you
know
resilience
that
resilience
message.
E
Realized
is
the
message
of
this
conference
and
I
really
wanted
to
highlight.
You
know
we
are
still
resilient
and
we
are
doing
hard
things
in
these
communities
and
they
are
coming
together.
You
know
these
large
companies
and
it's
you
know,
project
or
project
over
companies.
So
I
love
that
message.
So
hopefully
you
know
that'll
resonate
with
folks
in
the
audience
so
check
it
out.
No.
A
A
A
B
Absolutely
we
were
trading
notes
on
in
case
the
audience
didn't
know
this
week.
Actually
is
the
42nd
anniversary
of
the
hitchhiker's
guide
to
the
galaxy
and
for
those
that
don't
know,
42
is
a
special
number
in
it,
because
it
is
the
answer
to
life.
The
universe
and
everything
absolutely
just
like
kubernetes
is.
H
H
A
So
well,
you
mentioned
your
keynote
talk
to
us
about
the
keynote
vijay
I
mean
look,
you
did
a
little
shameless
plug
on
the
podcast.
Last
week
we
talked
a
little
about
it.
You
said
you,
you
didn't
reveal
anything.
I
pressed
I
pulled
all
of
my
stew
tricks
out.
I
couldn't
get
anything
out
of
this
guy,
so
tell
me
figuring
that
stuff
out
so
talk
so
talk
to
me
about
it
like.
H
H
Yeah,
so
it's
basically
so
yes,
just
a
little
bit
of
introduction.
We
are
part
of
this
group
called
emerging
tech
and
incubation
that
found
pretty
hard
to
pronounce,
but
I've
done
it.
Multiple
times
is
not
that
hard
constants,
but
so
this
group
actually
is
an
internal
incubator
and
we've
been
working
on
pretty
cool
tech,
as
you.
H
And
one
of
the
pieces
of
tech
that
we're
working
on
is
around
api
security
and
reputation,
which
is
a
very
relevant
topic
of
discussion
all
through
the
conference.
This
time
and
the
project
that
we
just
announced
today
was
called
api
clarity.
You
can
find
out
more
about
it
at
api,
clarity.io
shameless
plug,
but
it's
basically
looking
at
api
traffic
and
reconstructing
all
the
open
api
specs
for
those
apis,
and
then
it
allows
you
to
take
a
look
at
that.
Make
changes
upload
your
own
specs
and
then
look
at
drift.
A
And
again
I
tried
to
get
him.
I
tried
to
get
it
out
of
him
on
the
podcast
and
I
couldn't
get
out
of
him
and
it's
incredible.
Like
I
said,
and
I
you
know
I
caught
your
keynote
and
I
was
like
look
that
this
is
some.
This
is
substantial
stuff,
that's
going
to
help
people,
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
communities
trying
to
help
people
understand.
What's
going
on
with
this
technology,
distribute
this
technology
secure
this
technology
right.
H
And
that's
the
way
it
came
up
came
about
as
well.
I
mean
we
deployed
it
internally.
We
figured
out
a
whole
bunch
of
mess
inside
one
of
our
products,
I'm
not
going
to
name
which
one,
but
we
thought
hey.
This
is
useful
internal
to
cisco,
it's
useful
to
everybody
else.
So
that's
how
it
came
about
so
we're
pretty
excited
about
it.
We
have
some
contributors
as
well
from
42
crunch
and
api
metrics.
E
No,
I
I
was
I
was
in
the
audience.
It
definitely
piqued
my
interest.
I
think
you
know
for
folks
who
already
have
services
that
are
communicating,
dropping
this
in
and
getting
visibility
and
actually
generating
the
open
api
specs.
That's
incredibly
valuable,
it's
easy
to
come
in
and
say.
Well,
why
didn't
you
start
with
open
api,
but
the
reality
is
there
are
so
many
things
deployed
out
there
being
able
to
drop
something
in
without
any
code
changes
which.
E
Absolutely
absolutely,
and
I
just
love
the
hey-
we
conversion
we
can
do
zombie
detection
and
I
just
think
the
introspection
without
any
code
changes
just
dropping
something
in
on
the
wire,
and
when
you
reveal
the
you
know,
the
architecture-
hey
you
just
did
a
wasm
module
in
envoy
right
everybody's
already
doing
that
we
can
plug
this
into
the
same
stuff.
We're
already
doing
it's
like
wow.
How
could
I
you
know?
How
could
I
insert
this
into
a
service
mesh?
E
E
H
A
H
B
E
H
A
H
A
H
In
open
source
from
third-party
providers,
wherever
I
mean
whatever
makes
the
life
of
a
developer
easy
and
fast,
because
that's
the
whole
modus
operandi,
I
need
to
move
quickly
because
my
app
needs
to
be
better
than
the
other
guy's
app
right.
So
I
think,
if
you
think
about
that
process,
things
are
missed,
things
are
dropped.
You
don't
pay
careful
attention
to
things,
so
I
think,
due
to
all
of
those
reasons,
this
project,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
pretty
successful
and
it's
crucial
to
all
of
us.
H
B
V,
droid,
one
of
the
things
that's
been
interesting.
Is
it
for
a
lot
of
us.
It's
been
18
to
24
months
since
we've
gotten
together
as
a
community
as
a
whole
that
that's
like
what
you
know,
six
to
eight
different
versions
of
kubernetes
brand
new
projects
that
that
have
come
up.
You
know
only
about
a
I'd,
say
a
quarter
of
the
people
that
I
bumped
to
have
change
jobs,
including
myself
in
that
time
so
tell
us
when
you're
working,
I
mean
emerging
tech.
That
area
moves
so
fast.
H
I
mean,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
people
said
was
you
can't
collaborate
when
you're
virtual
and
you're
locked
down?
We
found
just
the
opposite,
so
etni
was
formed
back
in
may
june.
Last
year
after
the
pandemic
started
and
we've
been
innovating,
we've
been
collaborating,
we've
been
brainstorming,
all
virtually,
and
I
I
joke.
I
mean
I
think,
two
hours
of
my
commute
time.
I've
spent
in
meetings
and
collaboration.
H
If
we
go
back
to
physical,
I
don't
know
where
those
two
hours
will
come
from
every
day,
so
I
think
etni
itself
has
been
looking
at
projects
incubations
inside
of
cisco
api
networking.
Api
security
are
the
two
ones
that
we've
come
out
with
already
go
to
etiethecisco.com
check
it
out,
but
I
think
beyond.
H
You
know
you
might,
but
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
fog
computing.
Today,
yeah
I
mean
I
think
data
is
going
to
be
huge
and
data
is
going
to
drive
the
edge
as
well.
So
we're
looking
at
data
management
you're,
looking
at
edge
we're
looking
at
security,
networking
we're
actually
looking
further
and
further
out.
So
we
have
this
framework
which
says
how
many
degrees
of
freedom
is
a
project
out
from
cisco's
core,
so
we
started
like
crawl
walk
run.
H
We're
looking
at
supply
chain
we're
looking
at
again,
data
which
is
pretty
far
out.
Fintech
is
the
other
place
where
lots
of
things
are
changing,
so
it's
a
pretty
cool
place
to
be
inside
of
cisco.
I
think
I
have
the
best
job
in
cisco
and
everybody
in
et,
and
I
has
the
best
job
in
cisco.
So
if
you
want
to
apply,
you
know
where
to
go.
A
So
with
that,
actually
somebody
in
chat
java,
grunt,
saying
hello
from
kansas
city,
missouri,
usa,
great
chat,
so
I
think
you
know.
Thank
you
good
good.
You
know
good
on
us
kind
of
having
this
chat
being
open
about.
What's
going
on
on
cubecon,
I
want
to
ask
the
question
here
and
that's:
what
are
you
looking
forward
to?
I
was
looking
forward
to
keynote,
obviously
because
of
the
whole
build
up
last
week,
but
what
is
what
is
the
thing
you're
looking
forward
to
at
cubecon
this
week.
H
So
I
think
I
mean
just
we
were
just
walking
down
the
floor
today
I
mean,
I
think
it's
been
pretty
slim
I
would
say-
and
I
think,
but
the
innovation
doesn't
stop.
So
I
think
if
you
just
think
about
the
attendees,
the
kinds
of
projects
that
are
coming
in
the
graduations
that
are
happening,
the
incubations
that
are
happening,
I
think
just
the
sheer
volume
of
innovation
and
features
that
priyanka
and
others
talked
about
today
morning.
I'm
looking
at
that
and
going
this
community
is
awesome.
H
It's
thriving
and
even
though
you
see
the
floor
and
you
think
that
where
are
the
people,
it's
not
about
the
people
who
are
physically
present,
but
it's
all
about
the
community
that
is
growing
it's
about
the
features
that
are
coming
in
the
stress
around
security,
the
stress
around
edge
computing.
All
of
these
things
are
what
I'm
looking
forward
to
fantastic.
E
E
A
So
I
you
know
again:
the
board
meetings
finished
up,
we're
still
waiting
for
one
person
to
show
up,
but
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day,
let's
you
know,
let's
kind
of
give
some
maybe
some
parting
thoughts.
I
guess
I
mean
you
know:
let's
talk
about
this
in
general.
What
is
what
are
the
things
that
right
now
that
you're
kind
of
gonna
articulate?
A
What
are
the
things
that
you
all
are
kind
of
thinking
that
we
need
to
what
are
some
technologies
that
you're
thinking
that
are
that
need
to
be
you're
looking
into
as
part
of
cubecon
that
you
were
kind
of
curious
about
like
things
like
wasps
and
evpf?
What
are
some
technologies
that
you're
thinking
about
that
are
cool,
that
you
want
to
look
look
more
deeper
into.
E
Yeah-
and
I
think
you,
you
kind
of
you
know-
alluded
to
wasm
and
ebpf-
I
think
you
know
seeing
those
nascent
communities
form,
and
I
I
see
you
know
this
is
kind
of
a
gravity
well
to
to
build
other
communities,
and
I
I
loved
you
know
I
attended
the
wasm
day
and
the
service
mesh
day
yesterday.
So
I
only
have
context
about
those
two,
but
you
know
these
nascent
communities
rallying
around
gaps
that
they
see
in
the
ecosystem
and
and
how
they
can
plug
into.
E
You
know
the
community
that
we
already
have
so
specifically,
I
saw
the
wasm
conversation
and
you
know
they
had
architectures
about
how
they're
going
to
plug
it
into
container
ecosystems
and
how
that
fits
into
kubernetes.
And
it's
like
okay,
they're
building
things
and
adding
to
this.
You
know
community
that
we
already
have.
So
I
think
it's
great
that
we're
getting
all
the
folks
in
in
the
room
together
and
having
them
start
to
build
these
communities
out,
and
you
know
fostering
that
as
part
of
those
pre-day
events.
E
I
think
you
know
I
would
surmise
that
those
pre-day
events
are
going
to
become
equally
as
big
in
the
next.
You
know
12
to
24
months
and
that
you'll
see
massive
communities
at
ebpf
coming
up
and
you
know
wasn't
coming
up
and
you
know
they
will
continue
to
develop.
So
I
think
you
know
there's
there's
hope
and
excitement
there,
and
people
are
ready
to.
You
know,
get
to
work
and
a
lot
of
these
people.
It's
not
their
first
rodeo,
so
they're
actually
coming
in.
E
B
The
the
constellation
of
these
technologies
yeah,
it's
like
there's
a
whole
number
set
of
shows
happening
on
git,
ops,
and
so
some
of
these
things
start
as
pop,
and
I
were
talking
earlier,
there's
kubernetes,
but
then
there's
the
cloud
native
ecosystem.
So
some
of
these
things
will
spin
off
have
their
life
of
their
own.
They
play
in
kubernetes
but
play
outside
of
that.
But
I
tell
you
pop
something's
sitting
here.
You
know
I.
I
I've
been
in
the
industry
a
little
while
here
sitting
back
and
I'm
like
I'm
sitting
here
with
cisco
and
microsoft.
B
I've
worked
with
cisco
my
entire
career.
I
worked
on
standards,
work
with
cisco
and
for
the
longest
time
it
was
like.
Oh
well,
you
know
cisco's
the
proprietary
one
and
then
they
standardize
it
for
the
industry
and
things
like
that.
But
I've
been
watching
their
journey
in
open
source.
We're
gonna
have
steven
come
in
and
you
know
to
talk
about
that.
You
know
microsoft.
I
mean
it's.
Obviously,
microsoft
is
like
the
case
study
now
of
a
transformation,
and
you
know
linux
and
microsoft.
You
know
go
great.
B
You
know
back
in
the
day
it
was
like
that
was
the
evil
one
one
there
so
to
watch
those
technologies
to
watch
us
as
an
industry
coming
together
to
solve
these
challenges.
The
thing
that
excites
me-
it
was
one
of
the
things
that
drove
me
to
red
hat
is
tech
for
good
community
open
source.
We've
got
a
lot
more,
we
can
do
and
some
huge
challenges
there,
but
together
we
can
accomplish
it
right.
E
And
I
think
the
evolution
here
is,
you
know
around
the
time
that
the
pandemic
was
coming
up.
It
was
like
well,
every
company
is
now
a
software
company,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
extend
that
and
every
software
company
is
an
open
source
software
company,
and
I
think
that's
where
we're
going
to
get
to.
This
is
just
a
way
to
build
compelling
solutions
to
problems
across
a
you
know,
a
large
group
of
collaborators,
and
I
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
norm
and
and
I
love
seeing
these
ecosystems
evolved.
E
A
You
know
it
goes
without
saying
both
of
you
and
to
a
certain
degree,
myself
have
been
in
this
community
a
long
time
seeing
this
evolution
that
we
see
here
seeing
these
booths,
and
you
know
seeing
all
these
I
mean
you,
you
came
from.
Like
the
you
know,
you
remember
the
openstack
world
as
well
right.
You.
E
Yeah
absolutely
yeah,
and
this
is
exactly
we
wanted
to
build.
You
know
a
durable
community.
It
takes
on
a
life
of
its
own,
so
you
know
it's
it's
great
to
see
that
happen
by
part
and
large,
the
efforts
of
all
the
individuals
that
make
up
the
community.
You
know
they
called
a
few
out
on
stage
this
morning.
You
know
the
the
the
people
who
are
the
pillars
of
this
community
and
they're,
putting
in
work
to
make
sure
that
it
continues
so
well.
B
You
know
back
in
the
openstack
days.
There
were
sometimes
those
knock
down
drag
out
fight
because
it
you
needed
to
build
that
stack
and
therefore
it
was
like
each
piece
had
like
an
answer
that
eventually
needed
to
win,
and
here
it's,
like
you
know,
security,
there's
not
going
to
be
anything
that
solves
it
and
all
of
these
they
layer.
They
work
together.
B
A
E
Oh
excellent,
we'll
give
her
a
moment
to
walk
over.
I
do
want
to
say
you
know
off
the
back
of
what
v-joy
was
saying
there
was
you
know
coming
to
this
conference.
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
vanguard
for
you,
subsequent
conferences
and
the
fact
that
we
can
run
them
safely,
so
you
know
being
here
and
being
on
the
ground
and
for
the
folks
that
have
been
able
to
attend.
E
I
know
that
it's
not
everybody,
it's
great
to
see
that
there's
progress
in
this
space
and
for
me
you
know
making
new
relationships
with
people
and
re-upping
the
old
ones
and
and
getting
you
know,
some
shared
breaking
bread.
Getting
some
shared
context
together
is
something
that
you
know.
It's
still
really
important.
E
No
exactly
I
liken
it
too,
like
I
put
my
kids
in
in
school
last
year
on
zoom
right
at
the
end
of
the.
If
kids,
the
most
you
know,
malleable
set
of
humans
on
the,
if
it's
hard
for
them
to
do
school,
you
know
we
can't
expect
that
hey.
We
can
all
just
pivot
to
this
virtual
life,
and
I
know
you
know,
there's
a
world
where
these
things
both
exist.
So
I
I
still,
there
is
still
an
important
amount
of
relationship
building,
whether
new
or
you
know,
old
relationships
and
rekindling.
E
E
A
E
I
A
I
Yes,
absolutely
I
mean
you
know
when
I
was
thinking
about
okay.
What
am
I
gonna
do
for
this
keynote?
I
was
like
well,
first
half
is
covered,
we're
just
so
excited
to
meet
in
person
right,
and
that
is
true.
I
I
had
so
much
to
say
on
that
and
what
you
heard
was
actually
the
filtered
version,
so
that
was
I
just
really
wanted
to
celebrate
the
community
and
the
people
who
brought
us
together,
and
so
that
was
what
I
focused
on
doing
at
first
and
then
it
really
was.
I
think,
we're
at
a
pivotal
point.
I
A
An
inclusion
aspect
which
I
think
again,
I
always
say
it,
I'd
literally
say
that
we
have
the
best
community
in
the
world
and
it's
all
based
on
again
the
you
know,
leadership
the
support
that
we
have
at
the
cncf
level,
all
the
projects
that
are
part
of
this
right.
You
know
all
the
people
that
are
getting
involved
in
all
that,
so
it
just
it's
a
wonderful
thing.
So
let
me
ask
you
this
in
terms
of
this
week,
what
you
know,
what
are
you
looking?
What
other
stuff?
Are
you
wait
besides.
A
F
I
Yes,
so
you
know,
as
folks
may
or
may
not
be
aware,
dan,
not
only
breathed
life
into
team
cloud
native,
he
was
in
everything
he
did.
He
pursued
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
ideals,
and
he
did
that.
It
was
almost
second
nature
to
him.
It
was,
if
he's
doing,
an
initiative,
he's
gonna
incorporate
dei
into
it,
and
I
think
it
was
just
who
he
was
he.
I
am
a
recipient
of
his
his
point
of
view
because
he
encouraged
me
so
much.
He
pulled
me
into
talk
sessions.
I
He
gave
me
opportunities
like
all
the
time,
and
all
I
did
was
like
constantly
show
up
and
raise
my
hand,
yes,
but
this
level
of
openness
I'd
not
got
from
anyone
else
before
so
dan
just
lived
and
embodied,
who
we
want
to
be
at
all
times
and
that's
why
we
had
to
honor
him
with
this.
With
this
renaming
of
the
scholarship
fund.
B
Any
thoughts
dude,
so
one
of
the
themes
of
your
keynote
was
team
cloud
native.
You
know,
I
I
think,
since
you
know
the
years
I've
been
coming
here,
I
was
saying
this
year
after
18
24
months,
a
quarter
of
the
people.
I
know
change
jobs,
including
myself.
If
I
go
back
the
last
five
years,
it's
probably
more,
like
you
know,
60
70
percent,
yeah,
you've
changed
jobs,
yeah
and
the
likes.
So
you
know
that
community
employer
many
of
us
in
the
open
source
community.
B
I
For
sure,
I
think
to
your
point
right:
we
are
team
cloud
native
before
we
are
oh,
I
work
at
company
x,
y
or
z,
and
that's
no
shade
to
the
companies
none
at
all.
In
fact,
it
shows
that
they
celebrate
people
who
are
part
of
this
ecosystem
as
their
primary
identity,
and
I
think
that
happens
because
in
this
community
paying
it
forward
is
the
norm,
and
that
sounds
like
a
cliched
thing
to
say,
but,
as
I
was
sharing
in
my
keynote,
all
sorts
of
people
are
doing
things.
I
No
one
asked
them
to
do
just
to
make
things
more
awesome.
Here
I
mean
dan
pop
agreed
to
build
out
cloud
native
tv.
No
one
forced
him
to
do
it.
You
know
you
you've
done
so
many
great
things
from
a
media
perspective
from
a
storytelling
perspective.
Again,
you
chose
to
do
it
and
contribute
right,
and
I
think
there
are
so
many
people
like
that.
Most
of
us
are
all
like
that
and
that's
why
our
identity
comes
from
this
community
first
and
the
companies
that
celebrate
that
reap
their
ever
rewards.
I.
A
Think
the
cncf
facilitates
that,
though,
like
being
able
to
say,
like
you,
have
this
space
to
be
able
to
do
these
things,
you
have
a
community.
That's
going
to
support
you,
you
don't
you
didn't,
have
that
in
other
communities
that
were
there,
you
know
so
like
this
is
the
thing
that
I
think
that
cncf
nurtures
to
do
that
and
we
and
we
do
it
well,
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
wait
by
the
way
time
out,
priyanka's,
dress.
Amazing.
I
mean
yeah.
I
What
am
I
looking
forward
to
to
speak?
I
mean
I'm
really
happy,
I'm
done
with
all
the
biggest
things
I
had
to
do
for
the
show
so
yay
party
time.
For
me,
no-
and
I
mean
it
in
seriousness
because
you
know
this
is
the
first
time
I
have
attended
this
show
in
person
as
the
leader
of
cncf
before
I
was
having
a
blast
as
a
community
member.
I
So
now
I'm
like
oh
my
day,
one
is
gone
and
what
was
I
doing?
First,
I
was
keynoting.
Then
I
was
doing
press
and
media.
Then
you
know
it
just
like.
I
was
on
a
treadmill
and
tomorrow
onwards.
What
I
hope
to
achieve
is
actually
just
immerse
myself
in
community
and
hang
out
with
people
go
to
show
different
talks,
and
there
is,
I
mean
the
keynotes
I'll
100
be
there
for
and
this
time
I
would
have
zero
stress
I'll,
just
be
chilling
enjoying
the
show.
I
B
Yeah,
so
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
audience
here
I
was
so
excited
I
bumped
into
a
few
people
that
are
like
relatively
new
to
kubernetes,
it's
their
first
time,
oftentimes
in
the
it's
like.
Okay,
how
many
people
here
is
your
first
time
so
there
are
the
the
hallway
track
is
back
in
full,
full
steam.
Many
of
us,
as
you
said
like
tomorrow,
wait
if
somebody
bumps
into
you,
you
might
actually
have
a
couple
of
minutes
to
talk
to
them.
Not.
I
Oh,
I
think
that's
like
one
of
the
best
parts
right
and
I
actually
look
at
the
composition
of
the
folks
who
are
here
and,
as
you
said,
a
lot
of
them.
I
me
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
know
if
they're
first-timers,
because
they
may
have
actually
attended
a
bunch
of
the
virtual
ones
but
they're
first-timers
of
the
in-person
event,
and
so
many
folks.
I'm
meeting
I'm
like
I
kind
of
know
you
online,
but
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
meeting
you
and
that
I
think
it's
not
just
happening
to
me.
I
But
sorry,
yes,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
us
are
meeting
and
feeling
like
we're
all
first-timers
in
a
way,
and
that
is
a
good
thing,
because
it's
also
gonna
reset
our
cultural
experience
off
kubecon,
even
though
I've
been
there
since,
like
you
know,
I
think
the
second
one
onwards,
so
everybody
feels
a
little
new
right
now
and
my
my
thing
is
to
do
what
I
did
at
the
second
kubecon
or
third
coupon,
which
is
hey.
How
are
you,
let's
hang
tell
me
more
and
it's
going
well
so
far.
I
A
B
It's
been
fun
man,
it's
it's
nice.
You
know
a
little
bit
different
format
than
the
cube.
You
know
not
not
the
rapid
fire.
You
know
deep
dive
it
it
it's
quick
with
the
people,
but
in
and
out
and
live
yeah.
I
I
I
love
it.
It's
very
organic.
You
get
to
be
real.
You
know
nice,
nice
to
see
some
guests
and
people
I've
known
for
years
and
some
new
people.
As
we
said
this,
this
community
is
so
welcoming.
B
You
know
we
all
know
what
it
was
like
to
have
our
first
time
there
right-
and
I
tell
you,
that's
always
you
know
you
know.
I
did
a
video
on
this
when
I
left
the
cube
and
it's
like.
Can
I
put
myself
and
empathize
with
the
audience.
You
know
those
of
you
watching
remote
and
be
like
if
you've
been
to
events
or
you
haven't
been,
you
know,
hey
we've
all
been
there.
It's
all
been
the
first
time
I
attended
a
conference
search
when
I
spoke
at
a
conference.
You
know
it's
nervous
and
yeah.
A
Know
you
get
over
what
I
encourage
people
to
have
those
you
know
those
those
talks
and
have
that
hey,
hey
stu?
How
are
you
you
know
what
I'm
saying,
because
you
know
there
might
be
there
might
be
somebody
that
wants
to
do
something
right
and
then
they
don't.
They
feel
shy
and
they
don't.
You
know
they
want
to
get
into
them,
get
involved
and
get
really.
You
know
deep
in
a
specific
subject.
B
B
Have
if
you
just
google,
like
red
hat
and
and
kubecon
and
the
other
thing
the
job
board
is
back,
so
you
know
at
the
show.
Almost
everybody
here
is
hiring
we've
all
got
tags.
I
personally
have
a
couple
of
wrecks.
So
if
you're
interested
in
this
space,
you
know
dive
in
the
tip,
is
you
know
when
you
look
through
that
and
you're?
Like
oh
boy,
it
seems
a
little
bit
overwhelming
it's
like
okay!
Well,
how
much
of
it
do
you
know
and
yeah?
You
could
pick
up
some
of
these
things.
B
A
Even
though,
even
though
there
was
an
article
somebody
was
asking
for
that
which
is
great,
but
anyway,
that's
for
another
show
so
stu.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
on
the
show
all
of
our
guests
today
and
have
a
great
day
enjoy
kubecon.
I
know
I'm
going
to
do
for
the
rest
of
the
week
and
I'm
sure
as
well.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
the
cloud
native
tv.