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B
A
Welcome
thank
you
for
being
here,
and
this
is
the
kubecon
wrap
up
for
today
that,
like
in
a
conference,
I
don't
even
know
what
day
it
is
anymore.
It's
it's.
A
B
Also
big
shout
out
to
everybody
who's
watching
this
wherever
they
are,
you
are
just
as
here
as
anybody,
so
we
want
you
to
feel
part
of
this
awesome
to
be
here
at
kubecon.
B
I
have
a
good
fortune
of
sitting
on
this
stage
right
now
with
with
leo
and
with
with
randy,
but
I
also
have
the
very
good
fortune
of
of
hosting
art
as
code
a
cloud
native
tv
program,
we
talk
about
the
intersection
between
creative
stuff,
whether
it
could
be
sculpture,
cooking,
video
games,
music,
anything
on
that
in
that
sort
of
area,
and
then
also
the
tech
side
and,
interestingly
enough,
these
two
wonderful
humans
that
are
on
stage
with
me
both
will
be
on
the
show
whether
they
like
it
or
not.
At
some
point.
B
Music
leo
to
talk
about
good
mentality,
good
meditation
practices
so
anyway,
but
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
that
right
now,.
A
A
Question
of
the
certification,
if
you
can
remember
that
you're
halfway
there,
so
please
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
as
to
what
this
certification
is
all
about.
C
Sure
so
my
name
is
randy
abernathy
and
I
am
a
cloud
native
ambassador
and
big
big
fan
of
the
cncf
and
all
the
stuff.
That's
going
on.
There
we've
been
involved
in
the
training
efforts
pretty
much
from
the
beginning
and
developing
all
the
tests
and
stuff
like
that
with
the
community.
Obviously
we're
just
a
one
one
small
piece
of
the
machinery,
but
watching
the
cka
and
then
the
ckd
and
then
the
ck
version
two,
and
this
is
cks,
and
now
this
associate
level
kind
of
exam
roll
out.
C
It's
really
kind
of
an
interesting
lightning
rod
for
generating.
You
know
a
focus
on
gathering
specific
knowledge
about
the
cloud
native
environment
and
the
space,
and
you
know
the
the
types
of
concepts
that
are
important
in
cloud
native
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
it's
the
first
one
of
these
that
isn't
a
real
hands-on.
C
You
know
kind
of
practical
type
of
you
know
test
it's
it's
just
multiple
choice,
but
it's
you
know
I
don't
want
to
belittle
it
either
because
it
it
requires
you
to
understand,
or
at
least
be
familiar
with
a
lot
of
stuff.
That's
you
know
going
on
in
cloud
native,
and
so
it
would
be
really
perfect
for
anybody
who's,
not
a
developer
or
not
a
you
know,
an
administrator,
but
somebody
who's,
maybe
an
evangelist
or
in
the
marketing.
You
know
go
further.
You.
B
C
Great
so
so
I
work
at
a
small
shop
called
rxm
and
we're
a
cloud
native
totally
cloud
native,
focused
training
shop,
and
so
we
have
curriculum
that
runs
the
gamut
from
you
know,
kubernetes
operator
development,
all
the
way
to
just
the
absolute
basics
and
then
breadth
that
goes
from
kafka
to
you
know,
druid,
and
you
know
everything
in
the
middle.
So
we're
really
all
in
that
cloud
native
space
things
that
are
cloud
native
are
what
people
look
to
us
for,
and
then
you
know
when
it
comes
to
developing
certification.
We
were
talking.
C
You
know
before
we
went
live,
I'm
personally,
not
always
a
big
fan
of
certification.
I
think
that
it
can
channel.
You
know
people
a
little
bit
too
much
where
the
creativity
you
know
pieces
of
it
that
you
hold
so
dear,
are
you
know,
maybe
squashed
a
little
bit
and
it
it?
C
It
makes
people
think
that
this
prescriptive
solution
is
the
only
way
to
go,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
bunch
of
things
that
the
cncf
and
the
linux
foundation
have
done
to
mitigate
the
the
negatives
and
really
beef
up
the
positives,
and
you
know
for
all
of
the
we
were
kind
of
laughing,
because
I
was
thinking
one
of
the
big
things.
That's
a
very
practical
exam
if
you're
talking
about
the
cka,
the
ckd
or
the
cks,
because
it's
hands-on,
you
have
to
do
these
things.
C
If
you
pass
that
test,
you
can
do
these
things
and
that's
really
really
valuable,
and
we
were
also
kind
of
talking
about
the
the
fact
that
since
kubernetes
is,
you
know
the
the
basis
of
all
of
this
cloud
native
stuff
and
we
kind
of
as
a
community
agreed
to
build
everything
around
that.
Then
you
know
having
a
a
basic
level
of
you
know.
Cka
kind
of
you
know,
administrator
knowledge
is,
is
a
pretty
reasonable
thing
to
set
out,
and
I
think,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
the
hr
people.
C
They
don't
have
any
ability
to
to
to
know
whether
the
the
folks
they're
interviewing
are
actually
qualified.
You
know
at
any
level,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
companies
are
adopting
and
they're
they're
looking
for
help
like
how
do
I
know
that
I'm
hiring
five
people
who
can
actually
administer
kubernetes
and
while
the
cka
is
an
entry
level,
you
know
kind
of
you
know
sort
of
effort,
it's
better
than
zip
right.
C
I
mean
you
know
that
these
people
have
actually
studied
hard
taken
this
test
and
passed
it
and
they
understand
the
basics
and
they're
they're,
a
platform
that
you
can
build
on,
and
so
I
think
that,
while
the
you
know,
the
associate
exam
is
is
in
fact
multiple
choice
it.
You
know,
by
the
same
token,
it
it
it's
going
to
be
challenging
for
people
because
it
covers
a.
You
know
this
cloud
native
space,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
looked
at
the
you
know
the
latest
cloud
native.
You
know,
map
of.
C
The
landscape
thing
is,
is
an
eye
chart
at
this
point
and
it's
it's
an
awesome.
I
love
the
landscape.
You
know
everybody
loves
to
to
beat
it
up
because
it's
got
so
much
stuff
on
it,
but
it's
an
amazing
tool.
Right.
Databases
have
lots
of
things
in
them.
It's
a
database
and
it's
a
really
useful
one.
A
That's
interesting
because
I
think
that
there
is
a
huge
talent
problem
in
the
industry
like
every
time
that
I
talk
to
executives
and
organizations
they're
all
struggling
to
to
find
talent
across
this.
This
limited
pool
right.
I
think
this
type
of
of
tool
like
this
new
certification,
also
enables
access
to
new
people
to
the
ecosystem,
because
if
you
think
about
cka,
nck
and
even
cks
right,
I
think
the
barrier
of
entry
is
huge.
B
B
Because
it's
I'm
not
going
to
lie
as
someone
who
is
on
the
non-technical
side.
It's
absolutely
in
my
case,
terrifying
of
thinking
I'm
going
to
get
called
out
for,
not
being
you
know,
a
high-level
practitioner,
and
so
I
think
we're
going
to
see
the
dissipation
of
some
of
the
imposter
syndrome
that
a
lot
of
folks.
B
B
And
if
people
don't
under,
don't
understand
that
fully
please
reach
out,
and
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
jump
on
a
call
and
talk
about
it,
because
I
really
really
do
believe
that
and-
and
I
want
everybody
to
be
able
to
experience
that
in
any
way,
shape
or
form
now
a
little
bit
more
on
the
concrete
side
regarding
the
exam.
How
many
questions
are
we
talking
about
preparation
time?
What
what
we
got
on
that.
C
Well,
I
I
think
the
there's
a
lot
of
early
data.
There's
a
beta
exam,
that's
running
right
now,
so
we're
you
know,
kind
of
not
fully
baked
yet,
but
the
the
beta
is
gonna
run
and
you
know,
there's
I
think
they're
gonna
have
400
people,
take
it
and
then
they're
gonna
look
at
the
results
and
then
you
know
we'll
get
the
final.
You
know
cake
at
the
end
of
the
baking,
but
you
know,
probably
in
the
you
know,
handle
of
I
I
think
of
somewhere
around
50.
C
You
know
I
I
I
shouldn't.
I
shouldn't
make
any
statements
there,
yeah
yeah,
something
like
that
and
you
know
maybe
in
the
in
the
handle
of
an
hour
or
something
like
that.
C
So
so
yeah
they're,
I
don't
know
if
it's
offered
to
everybody
out
there.
If
you
know
just
specific,
you
know
individuals
who
are
going
to
provide
lots
of
feedback,
but
yeah
there
was
400.
You
know
slots.
A
C
Those
are,
you
know,
those
are
being
filled,
yeah
I'll
I'll,
I'm
sorry
to
income
as
a
prepared
with
with
the
data
as
I
could
have,
but
yeah
we
can
maybe
follow
up
in
in
and
some
notes
on
the
in
the
online
side
of
things
but
but
yeah.
The
idea
would
be
that
those
people
taking
that
that
first
round,
because
the
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this,
but
the
first
cka
was
four
hours
and.
B
C
Four
hours
and
there
weren't
a
lot
of
us
that
took
the
four
hour
version.
Most
of
them
are
dead
now
and
then
there
was
a
three-hour
version.
C
You
know
and
now
we're
down
to
like
two
hours
and
it's
because
the
psychometricians
have
really
boiled
it
down
to
the
point
where
they've
said
hey,
you
know
you
look
at
what
you're
going
to
extract
about
the
person's
capacity
to
have
mastery
in
the
subject
in
two
hours
and
then
what
incremental
extra
value
you're
going
to
add
to
that
precision
in
the
third
hour,
and
it's
is
more
or
less
meaningless.
You
know
it's,
it's
not
worth
the
suffering
involved,
and
so
we're
just
going
to
keep
it
at
two
hours
and.
A
C
That's
that's
sort
of
was
the
rethinking
that
went
into
the
cka,
v2
and
and
so
that
you
know
it's
a
work
in
progress
and
they're,
always
looking
for
feedback
and
the
the
the
robustness
that
the
linux
foundation
applies
to
building
these
things
having
been
inside
each
one
of
them
is
pretty
impressive
and
you
know
clyde
over
there
and
and
that
whole
crew
is
just
really
top-notch
professionals
and
they
bring
in
outside
consultants
to
help
with
the
whole
process.
C
So
it's
really
robust
and
the
the
feedback
in
the
beta
is
a
really
important
part
of
the
cycle,
because
you
know
we
want
to
just
torture
the
general
public.
You
know
we
want
to,
you,
know,
get
it
get
it
nailed
down
and
it
will
evolve
over
time.
Even
after
that,
because
you
know
people
take
the
test
and
they
run
into
something
that
they
find.
You
know
maybe
misleading,
and
you
know
they
thought
that
you
know
they.
They
knew
what
the
right
answer
was.
C
B
No
love,
no
love
coming
back
yeah
soon
and
very
soon.
We
can
agree
on
that.
Yeah
yeah.
So
in
that
regard
there
will
be
sort
of
like
the
first.
We
can
say
crop
of
folks
that
are
going
to
be
doing
this
building
up
to
the
next
kubecon,
and
so
that's.
C
B
That
that
will
be
exciting,
but
but
on
top
of
it
to
see
you
know
the
results
from
that
and
going
back
to.
What
you
were
saying
too,
is
that
you
know
from
from
the
hr
perspective
the
talent
perspective
both
for
people
that
want
to
get
into
the
space
as
well
as,
for
you
know,
organizations
that
are
looking
for
new
people.
I
think
having
this
is
quite
a
godsend,
because
it's.
B
B
These
kind
of
things
are
very,
very
healthy
and
because
kubernetes
moves
at
such
a
fast
speed,
it's
normal
that
you
know
we
would
have
all
loved
to
have
this
probably
several
years
ago,
but
we
got
it
now
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
establish
a
really
good
pathway
as
well
too,
for
organizations
that
want
to
get
more
folks
to
be
really
kubernetes
native,
to
understand
it
and
also
to
get
that
path
to
the
cka.
It's
like.
Well,
you
start
out
here
or
cka
ckd
cks.
I
think
that's!
B
That's
a
really
nice
thing
to
see
another
question.
I
don't
want
to
jump
too
far
ahead,
but
will
there
is
there?
Are
there
any
plans
to
other
kind
of
certifications
that
might
be
coming
out
in
the
kubernetes
ecosystem,
either
more
advanced
or
more
beginner
or
more
niche.
C
You
know:
there's
there,
it's
a
community
right,
so
the
community
drives.
This
people
come
up
with
ideas
for
hey,
for
example.
I
I
believe
I'm
the
person
who
suggested
to
dan
kahn
that
we
should
have
a
cka,
and
I
think
he
gave
me
credit
for
that
one
time
and
so
that
you
know
it
was
just
somebody
saying
hey.
This
would
be
really
cool
and
then
the
cncf
taking
action,
and
so
that
has
happened
with
the
security
stuff.
So
I
think
anytime,
you
find
a
you
know,
sort
of
concise
enough
domain
of
knowledge.
C
Where
you
know
a
certification
could
be
a
benefit
to
the
community,
because
I
think
in
the
mind
of
the
cncf
and
the
community
itself,
we're
we're
always
looking
to
do
things
that
add
value
back
to
the
community,
and
that's
where
this
you
know
sort
of
thing
came
from.
There's
the
you
know
the
business
value
group
that's
meeting
to
yeah
to
talk
about.
You
know
how.
How
can
we
make
sure
that
the
cncf
is
creating
value
for
the
the
members,
but
also
the
users?
You
know
the
users
have
their
group
and
yeah
this.
B
Is
such
a
good
point
because-
and
I'm
glad
that
you
touched
on
that
because
this
came
out
the
last
kubecon
was
that
you
know
cncf
glossary
and
because
a
lot
of
times
it's
like
okay,
this
is
an
international
thing.
B
A
starting
point,
whether
you're
a
cio,
whether
you're
a
junior
developer,
having
those
that
starting
point
in
building
blocks,
gives
you
a
framework
so
that
you
can
feel
that
you're
making
progress
and
getting
ahead
so
that,
and
also
whether
it's
vendors
or
end
users
etc.
Having
these
go-to
places
to
get
more
comfortable
because
a
lot
of
the
common
responses
around
kubernetes
that
it's
overwhelming
it's
overwhelming.
It's
overwhelming
two
things
to
that.
These
resources
are
making
it
simpler.
B
But
the
other
thing
that
we
were
saying
about
you
know
things
that
can't
necessarily
be
tested
by
an
exam,
but
the
other
part
that
I
think
is
really
important
about
kubernetes,
and
somebody
told
me
a
long
time
ago.
Kubernetes
should
not
just
be
a
technical
problem.
It's
a
people
problem
so
get
in
the
community.
The
best
way
to
get
involved
is
to
get
involved,
and
I
wanted
to
lean
it
over
a
little
bit
to
you
leo,
because
you
were
mentioning
about
you
know
other
topics
like
git
ops.
A
Well,
I
was
talking
about
the
work,
so
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
community
right,
because
I
think
that,
as
you
were
putting
it
right,
like
all
these
different
initiatives
are
driven
by
the
interest
of
the
community
right.
So
there
there
is
a
structure
that
allows
anybody
to
feed
back
into
the
cncf
and
to
feed
back
their
experience
right
as
to
what
is
meaningful
to
them
as
individuals
as
professionals
right
and
to
them
as
members
of
of
an
industry
right.
A
For
instance,
so
there's
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
talk
to
everybody
is
tomorrow.
There
is
gonna,
be
a
deep
dive
of
the
sig
contributor
experience
and
so
there's
special
interest
groups
right,
like
I'm
pretty
sure.
Most
of
you
know
this
one
is
about
contributing
experience,
how
to
contribute
to
the
cncf
and
to
the
community.
So
tomorrow,
at
2,
30
there's
going
to
be
a
talk
where
you
can
understand
better
how
to
contribute
to
the
community.
I
think
that's
very
valuable
and
it's
you.
A
You
will
find
out
how
to
how
to
participate
in
working
groups,
how
to
provide
feedback
that
can
be
channeled
into
all
these
types
of
initiatives
that
I
think
are
very
relevant
right
and
there's
also
going
to
be
a
a
and
an
ask
me
anything:
an
ama
with
priyanka
the
cncf
gm
that
I
also
encourage
people
to
to
join
in
absolutely.
B
And
two
points
on
that,
like
I
was
fortunate
enough
earlier
today
to
participate
in
a
panel
about
non-code
contributions
and
just
that
everybody
knows
like
not.
You
know
we
have
these
certifications,
these
training
pathways.
The
cncf
also
has
ambassadors
so
that
you
have
folks
that
can
guide
you
that
can
get
you
involved.
If
I
don't
have
the
answer,
somebody
else
will
like
we
all
work
together.
We
collaborate,
there's
a
really
really
strong
spirit
of
community
there.
Another
thing
that's
going
to
be
going
on
tomorrow.
Just
so
everybody
knows:
mentoring,
right,
mentoring,
sessions,
super
super
fun.
B
I
participated
both
as
a
mentor
and
as
a
mentee.
It's
incredible
all
right,
really
really
rapid
fire
networking
sessions
where
you're
going
to
meet
a
lot
of
people.
You
get
your
questions
addressed
and
because
they're
short
sessions,
don't
worry,
if
you
don't
get
to
everything
you
can
reach
out
on
slack
hit
somebody
up
next
week.
You
can
continue
the
conversation,
so
really
use
all
those
resources
at
your
disposal
and,
like
you
said,
the
cncf
wants
to
know
your
opinion
right.
A
B
A
Survey
there
is
a
survey,
there's
a
cloud
native
survey
that
we
really
want
everybody
to
participate.
If
you
go
to,
if
you
go.
B
A
Yeah,
we
really
want
to
hear
from
you
and
we
want
to
know
how
you're
using
cloud
native,
how
are
you
using
kubernetes
so
please
go
cnc.
If
I
look
for
the
cloud
native
survey
and
fill
it
up
really
want
to
hear
your
opinion
right.
So
that's
super
important
and
what
you
were
talking
about
right.
I
think
community
is
so
important
right.
We
were
looking
so
one
of
the
asks
of
us
that
are
kind
of
contributing
with
this
show
is
talk
about
the
highlights
of
the
day.
A
It's
impossible,
there's
so
much
fantastic
stuff
like
it's
impossible
to
pick
something
and
we're
just
talking
about
it.
What
is
a
mechanism?
How
can
people
actually
kind
of
be
aware
of
everything
that's
going
on
and
the
answer
is
through
people
right
through
a
community
right
reach
out
others
talk
to
people
and
reach
out
to
us,
because
nobody
knows
everything.
C
I
mean
leo
you,
you
just
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
because
when
bart
was
talking
about
the
mentoring
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff
and
and
and
you
know
how
do
I
get
started,
it
is
a
massive
space
right
and
there's.
Nobody
knows
everything
right.
There's
there's
just
clumps
of
knowledge
all
over
the
place
that
are
highly
valuable,
but
there's
a
community
here
and
you
can
talk
to
people
and
you
can
interact
with
folks
and
you
can
you
know
you?
C
A
And
that's
that's
really
important,
because,
but
now
we're
talking
about
the
hybrid
model,
right,
how
I
I
it's
funny,
because
I
went
into
a
talk
today.
I
didn't
really
pay
attention,
whether
it's
in
person
or
not,
and
I
walk
in
and
there's
not
a
person
in
front
of
there's
just
a
screen,
and
I'm
like
it's
so
amazing
that-
and
I
think
it's
done
it's
been
done
really
well
right
to
merge
those
two
realities
right
and
and
to
really
provide.
I
mean
this
is
this
is
part
of
it
right,
like
there's.
A
People
right
now
live
looking
at
us
yeah
here
in
l.a,
and
we
were
talking
about
how
it's
so
important
that
the
community
is
opening
up
to
this
kind
of
global
landscape,
right,
yeah
and
and
global,
not
just
in
terms
of
geography
right,
but
also
global
in
terms
of
how
people
feel
about
themselves.
Do
you.
C
B
A
C
True,
I
I've
moderated
12
or
I'm
going
to
be
by
the
end
of
tomorrow,
moderating
12
sessions
and
the
the
app
is
really
actually
pretty
cool.
You
know
I
I
in
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
You
know
a
lot
of
these.
Like
virtual
conference
tools.
You
know
they
were
like
crashing
and
burning
and
there
was
all
sorts
of
issues
you
know,
but
I
think
the
you
know
they
really
got
it
working
because
I've
been
able
to
very
easily.
C
You
know
handle
questions
in
the
room
and
then
also
questions
online,
and
you
know
people
are
asking
a
lot
of
questions
online
and
I
love
the
fact
that
that
people
can
vote
right.
So
you
can,
you
know
it
makes
my
life
easier.
If
there's
20
questions
there,
you
know
I'm
going
to
take
the
ones
with
the
highest
votes,
because
those
are
the
ones
that
most
people
are
interested
in.
So
it's
self-selecting
right
I
mean
you
really
can
participate
right,
you're
controlling
me.
I
just
I
just
look
at
what
you
guys
tell
me
you
want
to.
B
I
think
it's
a
great
point
so
and
once
again
is
because,
like
you
said,
we
have
introverts,
we
have
extroverts,
we
have
people
with
varying
levels
of
language
abilities
of
people
that
speak
different
languages,
which
is
also
one
of
the
beauties
of
this.
Is
that
you,
you
know
you
can
be
connected
to
people
from
all
over
the
world,
and
that
is
one
of
the
most
amazing
things
that
the
cncf
provides.
B
Is
the
opportunity
to
learn
to
break
down
your
own
culture
question
your
own
ideas
interact
with
people
from
other
places
that
teach
you
how
they
solve
problems
and
how
they
approach
this
kind
of
stuff.
I
think
that
kubecon,
whether
it's
in
person
or
online,
take
advantage
of
that.
A
Yeah
and
I
love
how
it's
growing
right,
because
so
there's
a
lot
of
so
I
I
do
the
the
spanish
like
cloud
native
latinx
right
and
it's
all
about
spanish
and
kind
of
providing
access
to
people
that
don't
necessarily
speak
english
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
community.
There's
kcd
china
korea's
community,
china
coming
it
was
kcd
salvador.
B
Yeah,
I
wasn't
aware
of
it
online
man,
yeah
subtitles
and
everything.
No,
it's
true,
but
I
think-
and
I
think
it's
also
we
were
talking
about
this
before
we
got
started-
was
you
know,
resilience
realized
like
that
is
really
a
good
slogan
and
at
first
you
know,
you
just
see
it
on
the
outside
of
the
convention
center
and
online,
but
then
you're
here
and
you're
like
okay,
that
whoever
coined
that
did
a
great
job
so
shout
out
to
whoever
did.
A
C
B
A
I
don't
think
there
is
there's
been
others
that
have
attempted
to
re-kind
of
invigorate
and
redo.
This
live
experience
yeah
and
they
went
all
in
and
I
think
it
talks
a
lot
to
the
experience
of
the
cnn,
the
kind
of
the
the
underlying
ethos
of
the
cncf
right
being
the
first
one
out
out
there
kind
of
trying
things
out
opening
up
to
the
community.
So
I
think
like
to
the
cncf
priyanka
bill.
Everybody
awesome.
C
Yeah,
it's
been
a
number,
I
was
in
the
grpc
talk
and
they
were
turning
people
away
wow.
I
never
thought
I
was
going
to
see
that
at
this
show,
but
you
know
yeah.
B
C
B
B
A
A
So
right
after
this
show,
there's
gonna
be
an
online
happy
hour
with
priyanka,
so
stick
around
once
you're
done,
because
there's
going
to
be
stuff
going
on,
and
I
want
to
kind
of
change
gears
here
a
little
bit
and
talk
about
mental
health.
Oh
yeah
and
matter
of
fact
is,
I
think,
there's
there's
a
good
segue
here,
because
we
were
just
talking
to
to
a
good
friend
of
mine
and
he
was
talking
to
us
about
his
son.
A
A
B
Yeah,
well,
I
think
julia
simon
did
a
great
job
addressing
this
issue
and
also
it's
funny
because
it
was
mentioned
by
bob
duffy
and
his
or
sorry.
Maybe
I
get
his
name
wrong,
the
guy
from
expedia
sorry,
he
gave
a
talk
and
he
was
talking
about
the
importance
of
listening
when
it
comes
to
end
users
and
also
in
in
julia's.
B
Talk
just
made
me
reflect
about
how
you
know
there
have
been
many
challenges
with
covid
and
many
learnings,
and,
and
one
of
them
is
knowing
how,
in
order
to
be
able
to
listen
to
others,
I
think
you
have
to
know
how
to
listen
to
yourself.
B
C
B
A
lot
of
that
is
loaded
with
privilege,
because
for
financial
reasons,
for
cultural
reasons,
for
lots
of
different
things
and
I'll
be
the
first
one
to
admit
it.
It
took
me
too
long
to
realize
going
into
the
pandemic,
or
once
the
pandemic
was
in
full
swing
that
I
probably
need
some
therapy.
I
need
to
go.
B
It
took
long,
but
I
finally
did
it
and
I'm
I'm
really
glad
that
I
did
and
I
encourage
lots
of
other
folks
out
there
as
well.
That's
also
part
of
the
cncf.
You
have
a
space
where
you
can
talk
to
people
about
this
stuff
and
people
are
here
to
support
you.
So
I
think
specifically,
the
point
today
was
about
burnout,
but
I
think
burnout
could
happen.
It
can
happen
in
many
ways
and
you
have
to
be
conscious
that
it's
something
that's
gonna
that
is
going
to
happen
in
your
organization
or
could
happen.
B
So
what
are
the
red
flags?
What
are
the
warning
signs?
How
can
I
really
generate
a
culture
and
it's
up
to
each
organization
to
decide
how
to
do
that?
We
could
probably
talk
about
how
that
works
in
each
one
of
our
organizations,
but
I
think
it's
I'm
glad.
I'm
really
grateful
that
that
topic
was
present
today
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
it
will
continue
to
be
present
in
future
kubecons
and
other
conversations
that
we're
having.
B
But
I
think
that
if
you're
not
having
these
conversations
in
your
in
your
organization
reach
out
to
your
talent,
culture,
people,
you
know
directors,
leadership
and
get
those
conversations
on
the
table.
A
And
I
think
that's
really
important,
because
one
thing
that
at
least
personally
happens
to
me-
I
usually
don't
realize
burnout
until
it's
too
late.
A
You
know
like,
and
so
those
red
flags,
maybe
are
not
even
visible,
even
to
you,
yeah
until
until
you're
getting
to
a
point
where,
where
it's
critical
right,
but
I
think
that's
also
keeping
kind
of
this
idea
of
community
present
right
as
you
engage
in
the
community
as
you
because
I
mean
bart
and
I,
for
example,
you
and
I
right-
we
we
met
just
basically
out
of
out
of
I
don't.
A
All
right
so
you're
here,
having
kind
of
establishing
these
relationships
right
and
being
able
to
to
to
be
empathetic
to
one
another
right.
It
allows
us
to
be
able
to
kind
of
pick
up
on
those
on
those
cues
right
and
promote
that
conversation
to
happen
because
a
lot
of
the
times
you
don't
even
know
you're
you're,
you're
struggling,
you
don't
even
know
you're
suffering
right,
but
through
communication
through.
A
Then
then
it
starts
to
come
out
right.
So
that's
like
a
huge
value
of
of
the
community,
and
I
think
it
goes
beyond
professional
right
like
this,
we
are
friends.
We
are
kind
of
beyond
just
colleagues
working
together
completely.
B
Agreed
and
we
had
that
actually
come
up
in
our
co-located
event
that
we
did
on
tuesday
one
one
of
our
speakers
for
extended
circumstances
had
a
family
member
that
was
being
very
badly
affected
by
coven,
wasn't
and
wasn't
able
to
give
us
talk
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
obviously,
all
of
our
love
and
support
goes
out
there.
But
people
just
have
to
this
is
still
an
ongoing
thing.
Yeah.
C
C
B
B
And
so
I
think
we're
fortunate
enough
that
we're
able
to
have
this
conversation
right
here
so
once
again
like
I
really.
I
can't
state
this
enough
that
I'm,
I
feel
extraordinarily
lucky
because
I'm
a
relatively
newcomer
in
all
the
scene,
but
I've
I've
been
extremely
welcomed,
extremely
well,
taken
care
of
have
been
meeting
incredible
people,
so
I
encourage
folks
that
are
out
there
that
might
feel
a
little
bit
hesitant.
You
have
a
home
here.
You
have
people
who.
A
B
You
that
don't
want
to
see
you
suffer
unnecessarily,
but
going
back
more
specifically
to
the
point
about
burnout,
because
you
know
we're
talking
about
folks
that
do
you
know
on-call
shifts
and
also
this
is
interesting
about
certification
that
somebody
was
talking
about
earlier
today
because
of
this
sort
of
knowledge
gap.
If
you
have
all
the
knowledge
centered
on
you
know
one
or
two
people
in
an
organization
if
they
have
to
miss
a
day
of
work,
you
know
that's
a
huge
threat.
So
when
you
can.
B
A
Right,
yeah,
absolutely
yeah,
definitely
yeah.
I
think
I
think-
and
you
know,
there's
there's
a
quality
that
I
think
it's
common
to
a
lot
of
the
people
in
the
industry.
I
think
we're
all
very
passionate
about
what
we
do.
Oh
yeah
and
I
think
we're
all
very
dedicated
to
what
we
do
yeah
so
learning
how
to
how
to
manage
that
passion
right.
How
to
how
to
time
yourself
right
and
how
to
give
yourself
room
is
so
important,
and
I
think
kind
of
dialogue
allows
free
for
you
to
learn
bad
from
others.
C
Right,
that's
so
truly
because
I
think
so
many
people
in
this
community
are
just
givers.
You
know
they
will
give
and
give
and
give
they
will
you
you
ask
them
to
do
something.
There's
they'll,
never
say
no
they'll
just
take
it
on,
and
I
I
think
it's
it's
incumbent
upon
us
all
of
us
to
to
realize
that
there's
a
there's,
a
point
beyond
which,
if
you
keep
taking
it
on
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
be
a
net
negative
right,
not
a
net
positive,
and
you
need
to
ask
for
some
space
you
need
to
you
need
to.
C
You
know,
throw
up
the
the
white
flag
right
at
some
point
and
say:
hey
guys,
you
know
I
I'm
just
this
is
too
much
I
need.
I
I
need
a
break,
I
need
you
know
and
and
everybody's
different
too.
You
know
you've
got
some
people
who
will
you
know
be
able
to
handle
like
crazy
time
shifts.
You
know
working
different
time
zones
or
whatever,
and
then
somebody
else
just
can't
do
that.
That's
not
their
dna.
You
know,
and
you
have
to
you-
have
to
treat
everybody
as
an
individual
and
understand.
You
know
how
they.
A
Fit
you
know
yeah,
you
know
the
pandemic
has
taught
me
that,
because
I'm
so,
for
instance,
for
me
kind
of
given
my
character
for
me,
the
pandemic
actually
kind
of
opened
up
a
space
for
kind
of
self
awareness
coming
for
insight
and
I'm
very
comfortable.
I
think
we
we
all
kind
of
in
the
industry
are
very
comfortable
working
from
home
and
you
know
like
just
being
having
our
own
space
and
being
kind
of
autonomous,
my
wife.
She
is
not
that
way
at
all.
Right,
like.
C
A
She
is
about
socializing
she's,
about
fam
kind
of
extended
family,
and
it
allowed
me
to
see
that
right
how
everybody
has
different.
You
know
like
capabilities
of
supporting
specific
constraints
and
scenarios
right
and
and
to
be
able
to
put
yourself
in
in
those
shoes
and
kind
of
normalize.
The
fact
that
not
everybody
goes
oh
can
manage
the
same
level
of
intensity,
yeah
and
that's
fine.
You
know
and-
and
you
should,
support
and
she'd
understand.
A
I
think
that's
all
the
opportunity
that
came
out
of
this
struggle
right,
because
we've
all
suffered
in
one
in
one
way
or
another
right.
So
I
think
it's
very
valuable
for
for
everybody
to
be
able
to
kind
of
see
the
world
or
attempt
to
see
the
world
from
other
people's
eyes
and
and
accept
and
understand,
and
and
to
me
at
least
that's
what
I've
learned
through
this
whole
pandemic
and
and
it's
been
a
struggle
because
it's
difficult
right
to
be
able
to
empathize
at
that
level
with
with
others.
C
Do
you
guys
think
that
there's
like
some
fundamental
things,
though,
that
just
are
just
get
degraded
because
of
the
the
virtual
environment?
Are
there
some
things
that
you
know
you
just
like
yeah.
B
Because
so
I
want.
A
Like
this,
please
be
good
with
me,
like,
I
think-
and
I
don't
know
if
I'm
aging
myself
here,
because
this
might
just
be
that
I'm
all
kind
of
old
school,
but
I
think
there's
certain
aspects
that
around
leadership
around
people
skills
around
even
empathy
right.
We
were
just
talking
about
about
how
one
of
my
colleagues,
the
only
that
I
met
through
the
pandemic.
All
he
knew
about
me
was
about
my
white
office
and
my
bike.
Helmet
right.
A
That's
kind
of
like
the
whole
perspective
that
he
had
on
me
right
and
that's
that's
the
frame
leo.
That's,
but
there's
a
lot
more
to
me
than
that.
Not.
B
A
A
You
don't
want
to
be,
I
guess,
like
you,
have
the
option
to
progress
your
career
in
certain
directions
where
the
human
component
becomes
a
more
relevant
aspect
of
your
duties
and
your
responsibilities
and
where
you
can
influence.
A
A
You
know
that
was
all
so
like
enriching
for
me,
so
I
do
think
that
maybe
we'll
get
there
through
technology-
I
don't
know,
but
from
my
perspective
and
I'm
curious
to
know
what
you
think
there
is
that
human
physical
aspect
that
does
provide
a
layer
of
value
and
awareness
that
that
we
still
haven't
quite
gotten
virtually.
A
C
C
I
can
just
mute
everything
and
just
go,
but
when
I'm
designing
and
architecting,
I
want
to
go
in
a
room
with
the
smartest
people
that
I
can
get
about
this
subject
matter,
and
I
want
to
use
big
muscles
and
I
want
to
draw
on
white
boards,
and
I
want
to
have
a
direct
discussions.
I
want
to
watch
facial
expressions
as
we
think
about
different
models,
and
you
know
architectures
and
approaches
and
technologies,
and-
and
I
really
miss
that
you.
C
A
That
talks
as
to
how
you're
engaging
your
hand,
for
example,
to
draw
and
to
actually
has
an
impact
in
how
your
brain
stores
and
processes
information.
C
B
Think
I
think
it's
good,
I
I
definitely
I
mean
I
can.
I
can
do
both
but
like
having
done
an
off-site
yesterday
with
our
team
from
the
dayton
kubernetes
community
people
who
have
been
working
with
intensely
for
the
last
and
we've
realized.
B
It's
only
been
you
know
as
a
team,
all
of
us
together,
I've
been
doing
it
for
a
year,
but
we've
only
been
together
as
a
team
for
five
months,
but
it
was
the
first
time
that
all
of
us
were
physically
in
the
same
space
and-
and
I
absolutely
loved
it
because
I'm
you
know,
I'm
the
kind
of
person
that
likes
to
get
up
and
sit
down
and
move
around
and
obviously.
B
B
So
that's
a
blessing
in
order
to
be
able
to
you
know,
coordinate
and
it's
my
case
as
well.
I'm
in
spain
it's
nine
hours
ahead
of
california,
so
I've
always
kind
of
juggling,
and
then
I
also
work
with
some
wonderful
folks
that
are
in
india,
so
they're
three
and
a
half
hours
ahead
of
spain.
You
know
12
and
a
half
hours
ahead
of
california,
so
balancing
those
things
out
between
the
more
in
the
afternoon.
B
I
think
that
to
say
that
it's
one
way
or
another
in
my
personal
case
I
would
probably
prefer
to
be
like
I
said
I
think
I
can.
I
think
you
can.
I
enjoy
the
best
of
both
worlds,
but
I
can't
speak
for
anybody
else.
You
know.
A
A
There's
everybody's
unique
and
everybody's
going
to
need
a
different,
like
combination,
yeah
to
kind
of
get
the
most
out
of
themselves
right.
B
A
super
good
question,
and
actually
because
in
the
in
a
company
that
I
was
working
at
previously
like
with
when,
because
in
spain,
they
started
letting
folks
go
back
to
the
office
like
relative
relatively
early,
and
so
I
think
you
know,
I
would
say,
maybe
two
days
in
three
days
out.
A
And
what
I
really
want
is
I
want
freedom
to
choose
at
all
times
because,
as
you
pointed
out
right,
like
yeah,
my
my
job
is
always
juggling
hands-on
work
from
strategy
from
client
meetings,
and
so
there's
all
this.
This
variety
right.
I
want
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
different
environments
where
I
can
satisfy
that
on
demand,
and
I
think
that's
from
my
perspective
for
organizations
that
are
looking
to
re-establish
office.
B
A
Or
headquarters
or
kind
of
whatever,
they
want
to
call
it
like
actual
in-person
locations,
providing
their
teams
with
that
availability
of
experience
on
demand
to
satisfy
the
different
constraints
of
kind
of
like
sensorial
influence
that
they
want
to
have
is
ideal.
So
yeah.
I
need
to
be
out
of
the
house,
but
I
probably
would
say
I
would
like
to
have
more
time
to
do
hands-on.
Work
like
in
isolation
than
I
have,
but
just
because
of
the
nature
of
my
role
that
it's
a
lot
about
kind
of
talking
to
clients
and
solving
problems.
So.
A
B
Too,
I
will
say
another
thing,
though,
and
actually
I
would
say
this,
particularly
in
the
case
of
with
leo,
because
I
don't
remember
when
we
started
talking
about
it
several
months
ago
and-
and
I
was
telling
this
to
somebody
else,
the
other
day
is
that,
looking
at
this
hybrid
stuff
and
and
you
know
being
inside
somebody's
house,
you
know
like
in
the
past,
it
would
be
like.
Okay,
I'm
doing
a
you
know,
skype
for
business
or
zoom.
C
B
B
A
B
I
really
like
that
aspect,
and
so
I,
but
also
once
again,
that's
me,
I
know
for
a
lot
of
folks
out
there,
it's
been
really
hard,
and
so
that's
why
also
we
mentioned
this
in
our
non-code.
You
know
contributor
experience
panel
that
we
had
is
that
if
you
want
to
be
in
a
media
and
turn
your
camera
off
fine
by
me,
that's.
B
A
B
B
That
he
mentioned
taking
paying
it
forward
even
further,
which
is
viral
generosity.
C
B
And
I
would
say
this
just
in
the
context
of
knowing
the
two
of
you
for
different
reasons.
Is
that
I
care
about
you
and
I
care
about
you
too,
and
if
you
have
a
problem,
I
want
to
be
involved
and
I
want
to
know-
and
I
want
to
know
what
I
can
do,
even
if
it's
just
saying
hey,
I
hope
you're
doing
okay
or
if
you
want
to
call
and
talk
or
whatever.
A
B
B
So,
like
I
said,
I
think,
I'm
hoping
that
the
the
pandemic
is
is
making
us
warmer.
People
that
are
that
are
more.
Accepting
that
are
less
likely
to
to
to
you
know,
jump
the
gun
if,
if
something
maybe
runs
us
the
wrong
way,
because
we
have
no
idea
what
somebody
else
might
be
going
through
so
I'm
I
I'm
optimistic
about
that.
A
Yeah,
I
agree
and
I
think
what
it
boils
down
to
and
I
think
what
we're
all
learning-
and
it's
not
just
about
kind
of
patterns
of
work
you
know
and
how
you
want
to
work-
is
freedom
and
diversity
right,
everybody
is
unique
and
we
should
be
open
and
accepting
of
that,
and
that
is
reflected
in
everything
from
how
people
are
best
effective.
How
people
like
to
work
and
freedom.
Everybody
should
be
free
to
choose
yeah
what
what
best
works
for
them.
I
want
to
do
a
quick
time
check.
I
think
we're
almost
oh.
A
A
There
you
go
bill
is
behind
camera,
so
so
thank
you,
cncf
for
this.
It's
been
a
phenomenal
experience.
We're
I'm
very
glad
we're
all
very
glad
to
be
back.
A
Priyanka's
hosting
a
happy
hour
right
after
this,
so
stay
tuned,
follow
cloudnative.tv,
so
part
of
the
community
and
part
of
what
we're
doing
for
the
community
by
the
community
is
all
these
shows
where
we
try
and
communicate
and
share
with
you
what's
happening
in
the
industry.
In
my
case,.
A
Exactly
so,
cloudnative.tv
follow
and
and
kind
of
keep
tabs
of
what
we're
doing
anything
else.
You.
B
C
B
A
B
Still
just
getting
started,
so
this
is
a
yet
another
way
for
you
to
be
involved
as
a
viewer
as
a
guest
as
a
potential
host
in
the
future.
You
can
pitch
a
show
if
you
want.
I
went
through
that
process,
so
that's
how
I
got
artist
code
on
there.
So
that's
like
a
really
cool.
Yet
another
amazing
thing:
that's
coming
out
randy.
Anything
else
that
we
should
be
hearing
from.
You
are.
A
This
show
is
going
to
be
available
as
an
nft
all
right.
Well,
thanks
everybody
for
watching.
Thank
you
all
for
joining.
It's
been
a
phenomenal
experience
and
watch
tomorrow
at
the
same
time,
another
wrap-up.
Thank
you
all
much.