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CNCF Contributor Strategy Governance WG 2020-11-11
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Yeah
it's
funny.
I've
started
having
this
weird,
like
online
conference
stress
because,
like
the
day
or
two
before
the
conference,
I
feel
like
I
should
be
preparing
more,
but
I
don't
need
to
because
I
did
the
presentation
weeks
ago,
and
so
I've
got
this
like
weird
feeling
that
I've
forgotten
to
do
something.
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The
goal
was,
I
took
two
of
the
most
common
types
of
governance.
Right,
one
is
like
straight
up:
maintainer
council,
one
and
the
other
one
is
simple,
is
steering
committee
elections
and
I
tried
to
come
up
with
the
simplest
most
generic
version
of
each
one
of
those
as
a
as
a
starting
point
for
projects.
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Oh
okay,
yeah!
I
could
do
that
and
see
if
she
yeah.
If
she
actually
knows
those.
I
was
also
going
through.
Obviously,
a
bunch
of
the
cncf
ones
and
a
couple
of
the
cnc
projects
basically
do
have
that
sort
of
general
form,
but
they
have
it
in
such
a
complicated
because,
like
I
started
off
basing
something
on
the
prometheus
starter,
and
I
realized
that
the
prometheus
thing
was
so
complicated,
in
particular
to
the
prometheus
project
that
it
wasn't
going
to
genericize.
Well,.
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The
and
I
don't
know
we'll
see
I've
been
the
network
tools.
Working
group
for
for
cncf
has
been
talking
about
actually
becoming
a
project
as
well
as
a
working
group,
and
if
they
do
that,
then
they
will
have
that
form
of
governance
governance.
So
maybe
I'll
have
the
chance
to
write
one.
But
in
the
meantime
I
don't
expect
to
get
one
ready
for
kubecon.
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Yeah
not
a
whole
lot
well,
one
of
the
things
I
actually
wanted
to
mention
here
is
just
so
people
know
the
so
after
that
whole
long
discussion
with
the
toc
about
steering
committees
and
alternate
ways
to
approach
the
multi-organizational
requirement
for
projects
for
graduation
etc,
we
do
not
have
a
clear
mandate
for
anything.
They
want
us
to
prepare.
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Yeah,
so
that's
the
thing,
and
the
idea
here
is
that
that
will
become
our
publication
target
for
a
lot
of
our
advisories
and
guides
and
everything
else.
Everything.
That's
not
a
template,
that'll
go
into
that
website
and
then
you
know
so
we'll
have
some
kind
of
process
whereby
stuff
gets
approved
to
go
on
to
the
website.
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Ideally,
you
know
once
we
get
that
set
up,
I'm
gonna
solicit
the
toc
to
authorize
a
liaison,
probably
matt.
I
guess,
if
he's
still
on
the
toc
I've
lost
track,
but
at
toc
liaison
to
approve
our
decisions
there
rather
than
having
everything
come
up
for
a
full
toc
vote,
because
if
we
have
to
have
a
full
toc
vote
every
time
we
want
to
publish
an
update
to
a
document.
It's
going
to
be
real,
slow.
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No,
the
pr
hasn't
been
word
merged,
yet
okay,
cool
vm
and
you
actually
kind
of
need
to
look
at
the
raw
because
they're
designed
to
be
templates
for
markdown
documents
and
there
is
no
markdown
template
language,
so
the
so
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
in
there.
That's
actually
invisible.
If
you
look
at
it
as
rendered
markdown.
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Good
we've
got
a
few
folks
interested
already
and
we're
finding
ways
to
get
them
kind
of
talking
to
each
other
as
well.
So
yeah
catherine
will
definitely
be
chatting
about
that
this
afternoon.
Yeah.
We
got
some
interest
straight
away
and
we
also
reached
out
to
folks
who
we
knew
were
already
basically
like.
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That's
interesting,
yeah
we're
focusing
on,
like
your
people,
become
ambassadors
or
anchors
based
off
of
content
that
they're
generating
you
know,
and
it's
kind
of
the
way
we've
approached
it
is
we.
We
know
that
you're
integrating
linker
d
with
xyz,
let's
write
a
blog
post
about
that
and
share
it
with
folks
or,
let's,
let's
put
together
a
tutorial,
you
know
the
difference
between
a
blog
post
is.
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This
is
what
we
did
and
why
we
did
it
and
the
tutorials
like
step
by
step
by
step,
because
just
from
my
position
of
working
with
the
community,
I
see
people
asking
similar
questions
but
they'll
happen
like
three
and
four
weeks
apart
and
I'm
like
oh,
I
know
somebody
just
asked
that
they
might
know,
and
then
we
have
the
free
version
of
slack.
So
I
I
can't
go
back
very
far
to
find
the
answers
that
I'm
looking
for
so
but
yeah,
it's
we're
iterating
over
it.
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Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
approach.
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
probably
healthy
for
us
now
to
take
sort
of
a
step
back
and
think
of
not
always
think
of
ambassadors.
It's
just
the
people
who
fly
around
to
all
the
conferences
and
give
all
the
talks.
I
mean,
there's
other
other
ways
to
be
an
ambassador
that
don't
involve
spending
all
of
your
time
on
a
plane.
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These
days,
so,
however,
drop
warehouse
ways
how
you
can
contribute
to
to
the
open
source
world,
even
not
flying
to
different
conferences
and
speaking
there
like
write
a
blog
post
or
publish
even
you
know,
publish
some
books
run
or
speak
at
the
podcast
like
be
engaged
in
the
community,
be
be
active
with
your
local
community
in
the
online
or
you
know,
on
online
or
offline
way
like
even
drug.
There
are
some
ways:
how
can
you,
how
can
you
work
with
the
local
community
so
definitely
ability
to
speak
at
the
global
events?
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On-Site
events
as
part
of
our
strategy,
we're
focusing
on
doing
as
much
as
we
can
virtually
and
we've
also
we're
working
internally
to
have
like
one
member
of
the
team,
generate
one
piece
of
content
once
a
month
right.
So
that
gives
us,
if
only
if
only
our
team
is
doing
it.
That
means
for
the
next
two
years
we
will
generate
one
piece
of
content
per
month,
which
is
way
lower
than
we
want
it
to
be,
but
that's
just
internally.
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So,
if
we're
getting
folks
externally
we're
hoping
to
have
two
to
three
pieces
of
content
per
month,
and
that's
the
thing
well
this
this
actually,
this
question
might
be
better
in
one
of
the
other
groups.
But
the
thing
that
I
personally
am
seeing
is,
I
feel,
like
people
are
getting
fatigue
from
virtual
conferences,
so
my
focus
is
to
generate
content
that
they
can
consume
on
their
time.
Whether
that
again
is
it's
either
an
article,
a
blog
post
or
a
video.
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And
I
think
it's
a
function
of
this
is
a
forcing
function.
Actually,
so
we
need
to
start
thinking
differently
and
how
do
we
get
people
give
them
interesting
things,
not
just
things.
I
don't
want
to
throw
a
bunch
of
content
out
there
that
people
aren't
interested
in
so
yeah.
These
are
like
questions
that
are
open-ended
for
us
and
that
we're
we
continue
to
try
and
answer
ourselves.
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There
was
no
question,
it's
open-ended.
Questions
like
I
started
to
go
down
the
path
of,
if
you
all
have
thoughts
about
alternative
content,
but
then
I
realized,
I
think,
that's
a
better
just
like
open-ended
discussion
like
sit
down
and
start
throwing
things
at
the
wall
and
see
what
sticks
yeah,
but
that's
kind
of
what
we're
doing
internally,
but
there
are
other.
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Yeah
and
I'll
tell
you
one
thing
so:
there's
there's
different
ways
to
do
that
for
some
projects
you
just
say:
hey:
if
you're
already,
if
you're
sort
of
an
acknowledged
anchor,
then
you
automatically
have
the
ability
to
vote
assuming
wait.
Let
me
look
at
liberty,
governance.
I
don't
think
you
have
voting
right
now.
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B
Yeah,
so
so
until
you
actually
have
yeah,
you
have
basically
your
counsel
yeah,
because
I
was
looking
at
you.
If
you
maintain
your
counsel,
I
should
have
based
my
maintainer
counsel
on
yours,
because
you
have
a
ridiculously
simple
one:
the,
but
you
have
a
basic
maintainer
council
structure,
so
there
isn't
currently
any
voting.
C
Yeah,
I
guess
thanks
so
yeah.
I
guess
we're
starting
a
new
like
working
group
like
the
cnf
conformance
and
we
presented
to
the
tse
last
week,
and
they
said
it
might
go
under
like
sig
app
delivery,
sig
networking,
but
our
question
kind
of
is,
is
if
we
want
to
get
this
like
kind
of
before
that
happens.
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So
but
as
amy
pointed
out,
the
working
group
thing
is
less
defined
and
I
guess
one
of
the
questions
is
well.
The
cncf
doesn't
require
you
to
have
any
particular
mechanism
for
selecting
leadership
and
it
requires
that
the
toc
ratify
your
leadership
changes.
They
also
don't
prohibit
you
of
having
a
more
sophisticated
mechanism.
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Right,
in
other
words,
we'll
having
a
more
formal
structure
for
representation,
either
engage
more
potential
participants
or
be
a
way
of
avoiding
sort
of
interminable
disputes
around
things.
These
are
the
two
reasons
why
you
adopt
a
more
sophisticated
governance
structure
is
to
do
one
of
those
two
things.
C
Yeah,
ours
is
kind
of
like
the
latter,
where,
in
the
telco
space,
there's
kind
of
like
a
lot
of
inventor
vendors
who
have
like
very
entrenched
interests,
and
we
don't
want
them
to
kind
of
like
control.
The
conversation
we
want
to
be
driven
by
like
multiple
different
parties,
especially
ones
like
the
service
providers
and
stuff,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
be
kind
of
yeah.
I
guess
kind
of
like
controlled
by
a
few
people
that
already
kind
of
control
the
ecosystem.
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Another
suggestion
would
be
if
you're
going
to
go
through
a
complicated
election
process.
You
might
want
to
get
dispensation
from
the
toc
to
not
have
the
requirement
that
they
approve
those,
because
it
feels
kind
of
pointless
to
have
an
election.
If,
then,
the
toc
can
go
well
nah
or
simply
delay
approval,
because
they're
busy
with
other
things,
which
is
the
more
likely
problem.
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It's
obviously
an
area
where
my
employer
has
some
definite
interest,
so
I
can
get
work
time
to
spend
on
it,
the
yeah
and
even
even,
if
I'm,
telling
how
y'all
I'm
gonna
set
things
up
so
that
you
don't
have
control
over
this,
but
that's
fine,
the
and
but
you
want
to
already
announce
a
governance
structure
at
kubecon
yeah.
That's
kind
of
ambitious,
given
that
kubecon
is
next
week
and
the
toc
would
have
to
approve
at
least
the
governance
structure.
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I
mean
to
give
certificate
like
if,
if
leadership's
role
is
exclusively
going
to
be
approving
conformance
rules
and
tests
right,
then
that
would
argue
for
some
sort
of
a
centralized
committee
structure,
regardless
of
how
they're
selected,
whereas
if
it's
more
that
you're
going
to
have
different
aspects
of
conformance
worked
on
in
different
sub-projects
than
that
might
argue
in
favor
of
more
composite
structure.
You
know
one
in
which
you
have
sort
of
these
sub
projects
and
then
there's
some
sort
of
counsel
from
the
subprojects
and
leadership
is
mainly
technical
in
nature.
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Yeah-
and
I
think
sometimes,
but
now
focusing
on
things
like,
like
the
outputs,
and
you
know
how
you're
going
to
communicate
with
each
other
and
decision
making
processes
and
some
of
the
stuff
that
that
goes
around
the
kind
of
the
leadership
selection.
That's
a
part
of
governance,
I
think,
would
probably
be
a
better
use
of
the
time
right
now.
C
Okay,
so
get
kind
of
get
it
off
the
ground
and
running
like
with
us
running
it
and
then
once
we
kind
of
have
sorted
out
who's
actually
contributing
and
like
working
on
it
then
kind
of
like
then
that's
when
we
actually
launched,
like
the
the
formal
governance
process
like
right
now.
I
guess
for
the
time
being
saying
like
we're
kind
of
like
a
benevolent
dictator.