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Description
In this talk Cheryl Hung discusses her journey inside CNCF, home of Kubernetes and one of the top open source foundations, some hard truths about community, and thoughts about the future of cloud native.
A
Thank
you
so
much
matt
and
thank
you
so
much
paula,
hi.
Everyone
welcome
to
kubernetes
community
days,
uk
I'm
sheryl
hung
and
honestly.
I
am
more
excited
about
this
talk
than
probably
any
I've
given
in
the
last
year,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
spoken
completely
freely,
I'm
no
longer
at
cncf
and
I'm
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
apple
either,
who
I
joined
last
week.
So
today
I
am
just
cheryl
speaking
purely
on
behalf
of
cheryl.
A
So
I
have
three
messages:
here's
the
three
messages
that
I
learned
number
one
after
cncf,
you
could
be
number
two
failure.
Is
an
option.
Number
three
treat
your
career
like
a
portfolio,
so
the
first
one.
This
first
story
comes
from
when
I
was
interviewing
to
join
cncf-
and
I
was
sitting
here
in
my
kitchen
waiting
for
my
telephone
interview
feeling
a
bit
nervous.
You
know
butterflies
in
the
stomach,
watching
the
minutes
countdown
until
the
phone
rang.
So
I
pick
up-
and
I
say
hi
this
is
cheryl
and
this
voice
booms
back
at
me.
A
Hi
cheryl,
I'm
dan
khan
executive
director
at
cncf
and
after
you
leave
cncf,
you
could
be
executive
director
of
your
own
foundation
or
you
could
found
your
own
company
or
you
could
go
into
vc
and
I
was
like
oh
hold
on
wait,
wait
a
second!
I
wait.
I
thought
I
was
supposed
to
be
persuading
you
that
I
would
be
good
enough
to
do
this
job.
I've
never
been
to
a
job
interview
where
the
first
thing
that
they,
the
interviewer
said,
is
after
you're
done
with
this
job,
but
working
with
dan.
A
I
realized
that
is
exactly
how
he
thought
all
of
the
time
he
was
never
about.
Are
you
good
enough
to
do
this
thing
today?
He
always
thought.
How
could
I
set
you
up
in
the
future
so
that
in
the
future,
you'll
have
even
more
opportunities
to
do
those
things
that
you
want
and
to
do
the
things
that
you
can't
do
now
and
I
try
and
take
that
and
apply
that
to
all
of
my
interactions
when
you
have
some
success.
A
Think
about
how
you
can
share
and
how
you
can
pass
on
those
opportunities
and
especially
to
underrepresented
groups
as
a
minority
in
tech,
I'm
suspicious
to
what
organizations
who
proclaim
how
diverse
and
inclusive
they
are
and
what's
made.
The
biggest
difference
to
my
career
is
individuals
who
say
I'm
going
to
take
a
chance
on
you,
because
I
believe
you're
capable
of
doing
something,
even
if
you've
never
done
it
before,
and
I
feel
very
privileged
to
be
able
to
do
that,
for
others.
A
The
opposite
mindset,
and
probably
the
worst
managerial
advice
I
ever
received,
is
as
a
manager
just
push
work
onto
other
people.
You
know,
in
other
words,
managing
people.
It's
just
about
pushing
work,
getting
rid
of
work.
You
don't
want
to
do
yourself
forcing
other
people
to
do
it.
It
creates
a
lot
of
resentment
and
it
particularly
doesn't
work
in
open
source
where
people
don't
report
to
you.
So,
instead
of
think
about,
how
do
I
set
you
up?
How
can
I
set
you
up
for
the
future?
A
If
you
think,
resources
are
scarce
and
finite
and
failure
is
not
an
option,
then
you'll
never
do
anything
unless
it
directly
ties
back
to
your
own
goals,
and
then
you
only
do
those
things
as
cheaply
as
you
possibly
can.
Instead,
a
mindset
of
abundance
says
you
can
always
find
something
to
share.
Share
your
advice.
Share
your
experience.
A
This
brings
me
to
my
third
story.
The
third
story
is
treat
your
career
like
a
portfolio.
This
is
a
few
years
down
the
line.
I
was
becoming
more
established
within
the
open
source
community.
I
was
receiving
more
outside
invitations
for
paid
speaking
engagements
and
to
advise
startups,
and
I
asked
chris
ancic
who's
the
cto
of
cncf.
A
A
A
Number
three
treat
your
career
like
a
portfolio
diversify
meet
lots
of
people
outside
your
current
team
or
your
organization,
so
you
can
discover
those
hidden
opportunities
and
since
you're
already
at
kubernetes
community
days
uk.
This
is
the
perfect
time
to
try
those
three
things
out.
Think
about
what
advice
or
opportunities
you
can
share
reach
out
on
slack
to
the
people
that
you
don't
know
or
reach
out
to
me,
I'm
on
twitter
or
shower
and
get
over
that
fear
of
embarrassment,
because
failure
is
an
option.
A
B
B
A
Likewise,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
really
value
about
community
is
people
are
people,
you
know
just
because
I'm
going
to
a
different
company
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
disappearing
forever,
so
I've
loved
working
with
this
community
and
I
fully
intend
to
keep
working
with
it.
As
long
as
I
possibly
can.