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A
B
A
Hello,
this
is
a
holiday
for
some
folks,
our
official
holiday,
see
who
joins.
A
We'll
give
it
a
few
minutes
see
who's
joining.
Some
folks
are
taking
today
off
as
a
holiday.
So
if
we
might
have
a.
B
Yeah
I,
don't
have
a
formal
item,
but
I
can
I
have
some
questions
now.
Just
some
questions.
B
No,
no
I
I
have
some
questions
regarding
something
I
I
have
read
about
learn
about
lately,.
A
All
right:
well,
let's
give
it
a
couple
of
minutes,
we'll
see
who
joins
okay,.
A
A
A
The
open
source,
Summit
Europe,
should
see
the
schedule
announcement
this
month.
Another
10
days.
A
Mwc
Las
Vegas
cfp's
closed
on
those
earlier
this
month,
so
see
what
that
looks
like
been
hearing
from
folks
on
this
call,
and
some
other
related
calls
that
some
people
will
be
there.
So
maybe
we'll
have
something
related
to
the
group
will
announce
since
we're
coming
closer
we're
starting
to
see
these
kubecon
Cloud
native
day
at
events
popping
up,
and
there
was
a
kcb
Columbia.
A
During
the
last
kubecon.
There
was
a
lot
of
overlap
between
folks
that
were
wanting
to
be
related
to
the
Telecom
Community
we're
trying
to
build
Cloud
native
talk
on
and
the
open.
C
A
A
A
Let's
see
no
new
issues,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
these
I
think
the
main
one
would
be
this
draft,
but
I'm
going
to
hold
on
talking
about
this
one.
This
is
related
to
one
of
the
issues.
I
have
draft
proposal
for
a
best
practice
in
Victor.
If,
if
you
wanna,
if
you
you
said
you
have
some
questions.
B
Yeah
again
and
my
question
at
all
started
with
beginner
questions,
so
I
have
recently
read
about
the
the
open
Ram
I'm
just
curious
what
what
available?
So
my
understanding
is
right.
Now,
the
the
there
is
a
traditional
ramp,
which
is
mostly
by
like
the
vendors
Erickson
Etc,
because
that's
a
traditional
rent
and
then
there's
in
the
and
then
there's
a
project.
That's
also
part
of
this
foundation
called
Maxima
magma.
B
That's
that's
like
a
4G,
but
going
to
be
including
5G
as
well
ran
open
source
as
well
and
after
that
you're
also
open
run,
which
is
I,
guess
another
effort
to
have
another.
B
Next,
you
can
see
Next
Generation
right
open
around,
which
is
also
part
of
that
Linux
Foundation
RX,
narrower
team
foundation,
work
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
the
open
networking
Foundation,
which
is
not
part
of
a
Linux
Foundation,
also
how
sdram,
which
is
based
on
open
Ram,
but
it's
using
software
more
software
defined
networking
components.
B
A
B
Yeah
I
open,
run,
I,
I,
I
I,
just
kind
of
open
around
I'm,
not
sure
Oran
is
another
either
or
just
open
round.
B
Yes,
I
just
how
many
open
run
flavors
out
there
open
source
Brands
there.
A
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
well
I,
I
would
say
right
now.
The
we're
gonna
keep
saying
new
things
coming
out.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
work
so
and
magma
the
magma
project.
You
mentioned
that
I
said
that
was
Facebook
or
meta.
A
It's
now
I
guess
it's.
You
would
I
think
it's
just
an
donated
projects.
So
it's
there's
a
bunch
of
other
companies.
I,
don't
think
meta
is
actively
pursuing
this,
but
it
seems
like
there's
a
bunch
of
other
companies.
Who've
been
doing
work
on
it,
so
this
I
don't
know
for
sure
like
where,
where
things
are
going,
but
it
doesn't
seem,
I,
guess
dead
and
we'll
probably
see
other
stuff
coming
up.
A
There's
a
lot
of
effort
from
the
various
Cloud
providers
to
support
some
type
of
Telecom
area,
and
some
of
them
are
probably
going
to
come
up
with
something
that
will
be
more
custom,
but
most
of
them
most
things
that
I've
seen
are
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
more
effort
going
back
into
this
Iran
and
you
have
vendors
that
are
talking
about
compliance
with
thoram
and
the
there's
a
few
open
source
projects
that
are
related,
open,
5gs
and
then
there's
select
the
on
the
radio
side.
A
So
that's
for
the
the
core
and
then
the
radio
there's
different
projects,
including
one
called
I,
think
it's
SRS
ran,
but
the
o-ran
there's
specifications
and
stuff
and
testing
for
validating.
Does
it
actually
work?
Is
it
compatible?
So
then,
when
you
get
talked
with
a
vendor
that
says
they're
over
incompatible
on
another,
the
idea
would
be
they
should
work
together.
A
But
I
wouldn't
say:
there's
here's
the
one
thing.
Definitely
different
groups
working
on
different
things.
A
Are
you
what
what
are
you
getting
at
and
Tom
hi?
You
may
have
some
thoughts
on
all
this
as
well.
I,
don't
know
if
you
heard
Victor,
but
it
was
mentioning
different
projects
and
stuff
related
to
I,
guess,
Iran
and
core
type
projects
and
Foundations,
but
Victor
I
I'm
trying
to
see
like
what
is
the
question
or
were
you
going
with
it
right
now.
B
Yeah
I
said
more
come
here
for
interest
actually
because
I
worked
for
a
telecom
as
a
database
guy
before
so
I'm
just
interested
in
you
know
what
options
are
there
when
technically,
what's
the
differences?
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
about
it.
At
this
point,
it's
just
more
of
an
interesting
the
you
can
say:
landscape
information.
A
All
right
so
like
the
4G,
5G
landscape,.
A
Something
like
that
for
are
we
talking
open
source
or
what?
What
are.
B
You
yeah
primary
open
source
yeah,
just
what,
for
example,
like
I'm
reading
like
open
ram
versus
Oran
right?
Are
they
the
same
organization
or
is
it
different
so.
A
A
A
B
B
A
This
whole,
so
the
tel
comment
for
projects
so
tip
in
some
way
seems
to
be
more.
It
reminds
me
more
of
like
an
IEEE
type
of
group
or
something
that's
coming
together
and.
A
A
Well,
I,
don't
want
to
use
the
word
Alliance,
so
this
is
a
a
group
of
companies
that
are
coming
together
that
are
saying
we're
going
to
build
out
and
agree
on
a
specification
for
Iran,
so
they're
doing
something
that
tip
is
interested
in,
but
I
think
tip
would
wouldn't
care
if
it
was
Oran
or
anyone
else.
It's
the
way
that
I'm
looking
at
it
I
don't
know
Tom.
If
you
have
any.
A
If
you're
there
I'm
not
seeing
your
mind
but
saying
the
difference
between
these
Oran
is
the
oran
project
actually
has
they
have
specifications
that
people
are.
A
B
So
you're
saying
the
Telecom
infert
project
that
that's
more
of
the
it's
very
fragmented
industry,
but
that
tip
is
relatively,
can
be
called
a
kind
of
standard
body.
At
this
point.
A
Yeah
you
mentioned
I,
think
o
and
S,
so
Owen
asks
I,
would
think
of
them
as
a
broader
foundation
and
tip
is
a
larger,
a
large
large
foundation
and
if
you're
looking
at
I,
don't
want
to
say
LF,
because
you
have
stuff,
that's
non-tel
common
LS
they're,
like
elephant
or
one
of
the
others.
A
So
these
that
type
of
foundation
level,
the
overan
alliance
isn't
trying
to
take
on.
You
know
I,
wouldn't
even
say
all
things
tough
on
it's
seems
to
be
very
focused
on
the
Rand
side
of
things.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
other
Telecom
software
and
a
lot
of
it.
They're
not
building
a
cloud
in
Iran,
but
I
could
see
I,
don't
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
the
projects,
but
you
yeah,
okay,
so
like
just
this
neutral
host,
Nas,
open
automation.
A
A
A
Magma
is
an
implementation.
So
this
is
one
step
more
detailed
foreign.
A
Yeah,
it
would
be
a
ready
to
use
implementation
so
then,
like
let's
see,
SRS
ran
and
then
let's
see,
if
I
can
find
the
open
5gs.
A
B
A
Well,
I
wouldn't
say
it's
fragmented,
so
Oran
is
they're
trying
to
build
a
standard
that
other
people
can
follow
and
then
so,
if
you
go
there's
event,
there's
vendors
that
are
building
multiple
pieces
and
some
that
are
building
singles.
So
you
may
have
one
component
for
on
the
Rand
side
or
maybe
a
component
for
the
core,
but
it
has
compatible
it's
following
the
specifications
for
Oran.
A
So
then,
maybe
you
don't
use
SRS
brand
project
for
the
radio,
but
you
happen
to
use
let's
say
open
5gs,
which
is
compatible
with
the
ram
spec.
But
you
buy
a
you,
go
to
some
vendor
that
says
they're
over
incompatible
and
you
can
use
that
so
Oran
is
trying
to
have
a
open
and
standard
that
anyone
can
follow
and
then
a
service
provider
can
come
in
and
if
they,
if
they
say
we
want
to
use
an
orn,
we
want
to
build
an
over-end
compatible
network.
A
A
A
So
when
you
look
at
the
magma
core
and
there's
some
of
the
pieces
that,
instead
of
using
through
gpp
they're
using
grpc
or
some
and
some
protocol
for
communicating
between
the
components
and
then
they'll
use
where
they
need
to
communicate
with
the
ran,
you'll
see
a
compatible
3gp
can
connection.
But
then
the
internal
connections
won't
be
using
that.
But
you
may
find
someone
else.
That's
building
a
a
core
non-magma
and
those
internal
components
are
used
in
3gpp
or
maybe
they're
doing
something
completely
different.
A
B
A
Yeah
I
mean
there
are
other
efforts
and
there's
vendors
that
are
have.
You
can
go
by
Iran
solution
right
now,
that's
not
around
compatible.
A
Of
course.
A
lot
of
this
is
an
effort.
It's
not
that
everyone
has
said
we're
going
to
do.
It
drop
everything
else,
but
it
is
an
effort
to
do
that
and
you
do
see
a
lot
of
companies
that
are
either
saying
or
already
building
software.
That
is
a
rank
compatible,
but
it
doesn't
mean
even
even
those
companies
may
have
not
around
compatible
versions.
So.
B
So
it
just
actually
a
follow-up
question
is
because
I
work
for
Telecom
before
I
know.
There
is
a
roaming
issue
when
Network
are
not
compatible
right.
So
is
it
true
that
if
two
Network,
if
they
all
follow
or
ran
standard
and
it's
possible
to
do
narrow
roaming,
whereas
if
it's
not
compatible,
then
it's
not
possible?
Is
that
correct.
A
You're
talking
about
okay,
so
you
have
devices
that
are
roaming
between
the
networks
and
then
are.
Are
they
going
to
be
compatible
if
one
provider
is
Oran
using
Iran
and
another
is
not
correct,
so
it
may
have
some
influence,
but
now
we're
and
Nikolai
I'll
see
you
on.
A
If
you
have
thoughts,
please
jump
in
so
the
the
device
that's
connecting
there's
standards
for
the
device
so
similar
to
their
standards,
for
the
components
within
the
core,
there's
and
and
then
the
core
talking
to
other
networks
and
everything
so
now,
you're
talking
the
device
talking
to
the
towers.
A
A
When
you're
going
to
deploy
these
new
locations,
how
are
they
gonna?
How
are
the
components
coming
together
and
then
how
do
they
talk
with
the
core
when
you're
looking
at
the
devices
and
you're
saying
it's
5G
or
4G
or
whatever
else?
Well,
that's
its
own
credit
problem,
so
I
you're
not
you're,
not
likely
to
see
someone
saying
they're,
5G
and
they're
going
to
be
selling
a
radio
software
and
Hardware
Solution
that's
going
to
be
incompatible
with
other
5G
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
the
case.
A
I
think
you're,
probably
going
to
see
compatibility
at
that
level
for
devices
connecting
whether
it's
using
a
brain
or
anything
else,
Nikola.
C
Everyone
I
thought
I,
just
posted
the
link
in
the
chat.
Can
you
just
open
it?
It
shows
the
Oran
architecture.
C
I,
don't
know
if
this
was
so
already
shared,
so
so
this
is
essentially
now.
The
whole
point
is
that,
for
example,
the
oenbocu
CPO
cup,
all
these
components
they
can
be
implemented
as
how
to
containerize
functions,
virtual
functions
or
even
physical
boxes.
So
the
the
point
is
that
the
interface
isn't
standardized
here
and
there
are
different
splits.
If
you
go
deep
into
that,
there
are
splits
where
they
say.
C
For
example,
the
sea
up
leaves
I,
don't
know
in
the
in
the
cloud
somewhere
where
the
duo
lives
in
the
closer
to
the
you
know,
B
and
things
like
that.
I
mean
there
are
many
many
details
here
that
can
be
looked
and
it's
a
matter
of
going
reading
the
specs,
but
it's
all
about
implementing
the
interfaces
and
then
the
way
that
the
functions
are
implemented
is
essentially
not
not
important.
What's
important
here
is
that
the
split
of
the
function
so
the.
C
Ceo
split
the
duo,
and
the
audio,
of
course,
is
so
probably
mostly
Hardware
thing
or
Oru
I,
don't
know
if
it
can
even
be
containerized,
like
software
iced
at
all,
for
the
DUI
have
seen
a
box
of
sorts
which
was
supposed
to
run
like
a
container
or
something,
but
this
was
not
really
not
really
flexible.
C
A
That's
that's
what
yeah!
So
that's
what
we're
getting
at
and
what
I
think
what
Victor's
asking
like,
where's
the
UE
and
can
I
move.
If,
if
someone
is
implementing
all
this
whatever
and
is
specifying,
are
they
going
to
be
able
to
then
talk
with
someone
with
non
a
non-over
end
Tower
and
I?
My
I?
Yes,
because.
C
A
C
A
C
C
But
the
point
is
that
this
whole
thing,
as
if
you
see
on
on
the
right
it,
essentially
it
outputs
or
inputs
if
your
3gpp
interfaces
so
all
so
the
whole
whole.
This
architecture
is
actually
plugable
to
a
pre-existing
3gpp.
You
know
core.
B
C
A
B
A
Yes
yeah,
so
you
theoretically
could
have
the
CU
actually
do
that,
but
and
then
likewise
you
could
build
the
radio
part
where
you
go.
We
built
our
own
special
right
here
or
I.
Don't
know,
maybe
that
maybe
because
someone
came
out
with
a
Alpha
version
of
6G,
that's
not
it's
not
official
and
and
they
built
a
the
radio
portion,
but
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
o
Ran
So
Victor.
The
main
thing
is
the
the
radio
connectivity
to
your
device.
A
Oren
doesn't
specify
anything.
So
that's
up
to
the
person
implementing
to
decide
what
standard
and,
at
this
point,
they're
all
trying
to
do.
If
we
say
5G,
then
they're
trying
to
to
have
all
of
the
different
options
and
there
are
multiple
options:
it's
actually
harder
on
the
phone
side,
so
you're
you're,
picking
out
what
phones
and
stuff
actually
support
all
of
the
different
bands
for
5G,
then
you're
good,
but
that's
not
o,
ran
and
likewise
what.
C
A
B
A
But
no
so
no
the
radio.
So
it's
the
internal
I
would
say
it's
the
internal
components
of
the
Tower.
So
then
you
say
the
tower
has
an
interface
to
talk
to
your
your
device
and
then
there's
a
interface
to
talk
to
the
Core
and
Oren
cares
about.
What's
it's
trying
to
say
you
can
break
down
the
different
pieces
of
the
the
the
right,
the
actual
Tower
radio,
the
software
and
everything,
but
the
you're
roaming
when
you're
thinking
roaming,
the
device
talking
so
the
first
part
is,
can
I
talk?
A
A
Okay,
so
if,
if
you
care
about
those,
so
it's
really,
what
do
you
care
about?
So
if,
if
you're
looking
at
I
want
to
build
a
tower
and
I
I'm
interested
in
breaking
down
the
components
or
whatever
well
Oran
has
here's
a
specification
and
they're
trying
to
say
we
can
follow
this
and
you
can
use
different
components
or
you'll
be
compatible
with
other
ones,
but.
B
Here's
a
good
website
or
blog
that
talk
about
what
you
just
mentioned.
B
Just
like
the
the
device
talk
to
the
radio,
that's
one
component
and
Oram
basically
is
the
main
component
for
the
ram.
But
it's
not
related
to
how
the
talk
to
the
device
then
there's
another
component
that
talked
to
the
core:
that's
not
all
RAM
and
yeah,
just
all
those
different
components
that
how
to
make
the
the
the
the
the
the
rate,
the
whole
Telecom
infrastructure.
A
C
I,
just
just
want
to
talk
that
the
purpose
of
the
Orion
is
mainly
to
kind
of
allow
for
Innovation
on
one
side,
yeah
like
by
by
just
dividing
the
components
into
like
the
the
dividing
the
old
school
Geno
B
into
subcomponents,
so
that
that
are
kind
of
standardized
interface
wise.
So,
for
example,
if
I
can
give
an
example
from
my
previous
company
Juniper,
we
were
implementing
the
near
real-time,
Rick
and
non-real
time
rig
and
as
long
as
these
Rick
implementations
were
implementing
key
two
a101
Auto
I.
C
Don't
think
that
we
were
implementing
these
were
applicable
to
run
with
all
with,
with
several
other,
we
were
verifying
with
several
other
vendors
implementations
of
the
CU
Duo
and
so
on.
If
you
see
what
I
mean
so
this
essentially
allows
for
different
vendors
to
implement
different
components,
essentially
to
build
more
interesting,
Solutions
here
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
I'm
as
straight
answering
question
here.
But
it's
more.
B
C
Also,
it's
not
necessary
that
all
of
this
is
a
link
in
the
tower.
Some
of
these
are
running
on
the
edge,
like
you
know,
some
kind
of
edge
data
center
which
allowed
for
some
so
essentially,
probably
the
data
path,
sensitive,
so
the
DU
part
and
the
area
they
are
kind
of
sitting
on
the
Tower
or
closed
there.
B
Now
that
you
bring
up
another
interesting
concept,
Edge
or
so
tradition
like
several
years
ago,
when
I
her
edge,
usually
it
means
in
the
far
Edge
near
Edge,
and
you
know,
on-premise
right
this
kind
of
edge
concept,
but.
B
I
think
the
2020
Linux
networking
Foundation
white
paper
basically
give
a
different
definition
right.
So
so,
basically,
the
idea
is
use
public,
Cloud,
probably
at
the
center,
and
then
there's
like
a
user
edge
and
a
service
provider
Edge
and
and
they're
in
there
they're
also
subcategories,
so
so
yeah,
so
that
the
definition
of
it
but
there's
also
other
possibilities
that
you
said
it
could
be
even
very
remote
area
for
satellites
it
could
be
area
was
really
remote
so
or.
B
In
the
ground
right
so
those
whoops.
So
what
is
that?
Is
there
any
universal
definition
of
what
is
the
categories
of
edge.
C
I
guess
the
simplest
thing,
at
least
in
my
mind,
would
be
everything
that's
out
of
the
standard
data
center
right
and
depending
how
far
it
is
from
the
data
center
or
Cloud
how
close
it
is
to
user.
Then
you
can
divide
it
on
whatever,
like
I,
don't
know.
Back
in
the
day,
there
was
the
last
Mile
and
all
these.
B
C
Yeah
stand
up
like
I
mean
from
for
what
and
you
and
you
in
enumerated,
I
think
that
I
mean
there
were
clearly
two
things.
One
is
the
type
of
the
workload
because
you
were
talking
about
service
provider,
age
or
user
age
and
then
the
other
thing
is,
you
know
the
distance
from
the
user
or
from
the
data
center
like
near
far
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
A
This
is
there
it's
kind
of
I
think
it's
causes,
confusion
to
just
say:
5G
5G
core
compared
to
evolved
packet
core,
which
included
then
well
I
mean
I.
Guess
it
was
the
evolved
packet
for
the
evolved
package
system.
That's
what
I
was
thinking.
Nikolai.
C
A
A
A
So
that's
when
we're
saying
what
is
o-ran
well,
it's
it's
only
talking
about
this
part
Victor
right
here,
C,
node,
B
and
breaking
down
this
part
into
components
and
making
this
compatible
and
then,
when
you're
talking
magma,
then
you're
saying
it's
equivalent.
It's
talking
about
components
over
here.
What
is
this?
Well,
this
is
the
packet
core,
okay,
so
there's
still
tons
of
other
pieces.
If
you
want
to
go
and
say
well,
I'm
interested
in
voiceover
Wi-Fi.
A
Well,
that's
this!
This
whole
thing
this
packet
data
Gateway
that
talks
to
your
packet
core,
but
you
can
you
don't
have
to
even
think
about
the
packet
core
if
you
go
well
we're
going
to
use
whatever
the
standard
interface
to
talk
to
the
court.
Okay!
Great!
Well,
now,
you're!
Just
talking
about
how
does
your?
How
do
you
deal
with
your
device
and
Wi-Fi
and
then
talking
to
some
Gateway
and
there
can
be
different
solutions,
but
my
point
Nikolai
is:
what
do
you
call
the
new
system?
This
evolve
packet
system.
A
C
Because,
essentially,
there
is
5G
core
and
5G
core
Standalone
yeah
yeah,
because
the
Standalone
essentially
means
that
you,
you
also
employ
the
new
radio
right
right
because
yeah
they
were
having
the
mode
where
you
can.
Actually
you
can
hear
5G,
but
only
on
the
radio
part.
C
Then
the
core
was
4G
or
something
and
then
yeah,
because
I
think
that
this
was
the
first
wave.
You
know
this
was
the
the
easier
like
approachable
I.
Just
you
know,
change
the
radio
like
the
antennas
and
stuff
and
then
because
the
core
is
more
more
involved
into
to
change
and
then
essentially
the
Standalone
means.
C
Okay,
it's
it's
only
5G
the
whole
the
whole
system,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
the
the
exact
name
would
be
because
yeah
this
was
the
EPC
right
back
in
the
evolved
packet
core,
but
the
you
would
I
think
it's.
A
So
funny
you're
thanking
5G,
Standalone
I
I
mean
it's
confusing
because
I
see
Standalone
and
then
they'll
say
and
it's
we
also
have
a
compatibility
for
your
4G
connections
and
and
then
it
makes
it
confusing
again.
A
A
So
Victor
I'll
I'll
just
go
back
and
say
it
this
way,
even
if
you
come
and
find
the
name,
it'll
probably
go:
look
at
5G
Standalone
and
go
look
at
non
non-5g,
Standalone
or
non-five
GSA
versus
5G
essay
or
Standalone,
and
you
look
at
the
architecture
on
that
and
then
you're
just
gonna
have
to
dig
in.
So
if
you
go
see
what
Cisco
and
Nokia
and
any
of
the
big
ones
they're
going
to
talk
about
everything,
they're
going
to
talk
about
the
the
and
I
I'm
showing
4G,
but
it
will
be
a
similar
thing.
A
A
You
can
focus
in
on
the
5G
courses
and
then
the
non-standalone
you'll
probably
end
up
saying
here's,
here's
a
component
that
allows
us
to
communicate
with
4G
networks
and
that
Bridges
between
a
4G
network
and
then,
of
course,
you
can
expand
out
still
with
like
the
voiceover,
Wi-Fi
and
stuff
like
that
and
I
from
what
I've
seen
a
lot
of
the
components
like
this
MMA
and
all
the
session
management
I
mean
it
may
be
changing
more
now,
but
a
lot
of
them
seem
to
have
compatibility,
but
still
between
4G
and
5G,
for
those
I'm
going
to
bring
up
whatever
you
drop.
A
There
that's
fine
I'll,
go
back
all.
C
B
Oh
so
does
in
that
case,
if
magma
is
a
packet
core,
does
it
need
a
Rand
component
to
work
or
it
has
its
own
reacting
program.
A
B
A
A
There's
only
well
actually
I
think
that
this
slide
that
we
made
helps
so
I'll
go,
look
and
see
if
I
can
find
a
magma,
but
this
is
actually
higher
level.
You
can
break
these
down
and
there's
a
lot
of
connections,
more
components
as
you
break
each
of
these
down,
but
this
at
least
helps.
So
here
you
have
a
tower
and
it's
stock
into
this
sgw
service,
Gateway
right
and
then
this
is
actually
talking.
You
know
this
packet
Gateway
it's!
It
goes
all
the
way
through
to
the
MMA.
A
This
connection
right
here
this
dotted
connection
and
this
dotted
connection.
This
is
where
magma
is
making
some
differences.
Talking
to
the
enode
B
magma
uses
the
same
3gpp
sander.
So
magma
can
talk
to
a
tower.
That's
using
the
it's.
If
it's
following
Bridge
BPP
for
connectivity,
it
will
be
able
to
talk
to
magma.
Magma
is
not
doing.
They
don't
have
a
radio
access
network
software
they're
doing
these
components.
A
What
do
we
call
these
These?
Are
the
this
is
well
they've.
All
packet
system
is
the
whole
thing
right
and
then
we're
talking
the
Evolve
packet
core.
So
this
one
helps
too
maybe
Victor.
So
magma
is
interested
in
the
evolved
packet,
core
and
I'm
talking
for
4G
here,
so
anything
that's
trying
to
do
5G
would
be
similar,
just
5G
chord.
A
So
you
have
the
entire
thing:
evolve
packet
system,
all
the
different
pieces
and
then
magma
says
we're
writing
software,
for
this
evolve
packet,
cord,
the
control
plan,
user,
plane,
I.
Think
our
next
yeah
digging
in
here.
So
now
we
break
this
down
some
of
it.
They
use
3gpp
standard
for
talking
between
the
components
and
some
of
them.
They
use
some
other
paper,
some
of
the
paper,
some
other
standard.
A
Operator
I'm
trying
to
look
where,
where
does
it
show?
None
of
that
helps
me,
but
it's
it's
it's
some
part
of
the
core
pieces
here.
A
A
But
it
is
compatible
with
your
radio.
I
have
no
idea
if
what
type
of
compatibility
magma
has
with
5G.
Do
you
know,
Nikolai
I
mean
I,
see
it
here,
actually
non-standalone
and
5G
Standalone
all
right,
okay,
so
it
looks
like
third-
and
this
is
important
if
you
actually
get
an
these
N1
N2
and
three,
when
if
you
actually
start
doing
the
testing
and
looking
at
phones
and
stuff
that
are
compatible
all
right.
A
So
just
looking
at
this
Victor,
if
magma
has
a
working,
3gp
compliant
5G,
then
they
should
be
able
to
work
with
something
like
I
was
showing
like
SRS
Ran
So.
If
you
run,
if
you,
this
is
an
open
source
project.
So
if
you
get
this
up
and
running
and
and
have
magma
been
running,
then
you
should
be
able
to
have
them
speak
together,
but
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
o
ran
that
has
to
do
with
this.
3Gp
can
compatibility.
A
Okay,
but
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
entire
architecture,
then
the
we
posted
the
link
into
the
Google
docsphere,
so
probably
just
talk,
starting
with
the
this
5G
system
overview
I
mean
this
is
so
simplified.
Look
at
that
Nikolai
here
it
is
see,
but
I
guess
that's
all
right.
So
you
have
a
device,
and
it's
talking
so
this
nru,
so
we're
talking
this
is
3gpp.
So
this
is
a
standard.
That's
the
roaming
that
you
were
caring
about.
Oran
cares
about
this
part
right
here,
this
gnb
and
it's
talking
about.
A
How
do
we
create
this?
How
do
we
break
down
the
components
here
and
then
here's
this
f5gc?
This
is
the
core.
So
again,
if
you
talk
where
it
has
this
energy,
if
you
use
the
protocol
at
3gp
piece
using
then
whatever,
however,
your
core
is
designed
internally,
it
can
talk
to
any
tower
that
speaks
that
so,
whether
you
have
an
o-rand
compatible
core
or
not.
If
it
uses
three
gpp,
it
can
talk
to
this.
A
This
is
digging
more
it's
showing
the
different
components
in
each
of
the
parts.
The
Rand
is
just
one,
here's
your
device
again,
but
you
can.
This
is
going
to
tie
into
a
bunch
of
other
pieces
and
you
can
go
into
each
one
of
these
in
depth.
So
again,
magma
is
going
to
go
in
in
depth
more
on
the
5G
C
or
the
Evolve
packet
Corey
BC,
since
it
had
compatibility
there
o
ran,
has
a
lot
of
soft
a
lot
of
documentation.
A
A
But
if
you
go
read
this
one
right
here,
you
can
go.
Look
at
Cisco.
You
can
go!
Look
at
Nokia
and
they'll
have
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
documentation
out
there
from
vendors
that
have
talked
about
it
and
have
they'll.
Take
something
like
this.
The
stack
and
they'll
they'll
dig
into
each
one
of
the
components
on
the
stack.
A
I
think
this
is
another
good
one,
all
right
top
of
the
hour.
Thanks
for
all
the
great
questions,
Victor.