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B
Are
you
with
diagram?
No
I'm,
not
I,
actually
work
for
a
company
called
plan
view.
We
make
projects
management,
software.
C
A
C
A
Turned
on
the
recording
by
the
way,
folks,
so
FYI
I
have
been
trying
to
ask
newcomers
to
introduce
themselves
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
know
how
we
can
leverage
you
I,
really,
sorry
I.
You
know
when
you
say
Mauricio,
I,
think
of
prototypes,
and
you
know
demos
and
things
like
that.
We're
definitely
looking
for
some
reusable
samples.
If.
B
You're
yeah,
that's
exactly
what
I'm
doing
so:
I
I
love
getting
my
hands
dirty
I,
love
being
kind
of
in
the
weeds
of
things
so
yeah
anyway.
It
could
be
of
service
I'm,
just
kind
of
looking
for
opportunities
to
grow,
build
connections,
yeah
and
just
to
learn
new
things.
I,
just
love
learning,
foreign.
A
A
Yeah
so
we're
we.
Let's
say
we
have
started
the
meeting
here
so
yeah
I
mean
we
could
introduce
everyone,
though
that
might
get
a
little
much
for
every
meeting.
I'll
be
enough,
that's
the
that's!
What
I
was
just
gonna
have
newcomers
say
hello,
yeah,.
A
And
yeah
so
Jorge
I
know
I
we've
met,
but
do
you
want
to
just
briefly
introduce
yourself
we're
just
having
a
new
folks
say,
hello.
D
D
Sorry,
yes,
okay,
great
hello,
I
am
for
Helen
Fiesta
and
I'm
basic
Barcelona
and
I
indeed
met
Josh
I
had
during
keepcon
in
Amsterdam
and
I
mainly
focus
on
Backstage.
So
that's
how
I
got
involved
into
this
hoping
to
contribute
something
to
developer
portals
to
the
group.
A
D
A
All
right,
so
that's
our
newcomers.
For
the
week
the
agenda
today
I
put
a
couple
things,
but
I
think
we
should
start
with
Michael.
Michael
and
I
were
just
chatting
for
the
past
hour
and
I.
Think
the
platform
survey
is
in
a
pretty
good
shape,
so
I
was
going
to
ask
Michael
to
kind
of
share
where
we're
at
and
yeah
you
wanna
you
wanna
yeah,.
E
We
ran
through
it
and
whittled
it
down
and
cleaned
it
up
right
before
this
call
I
highly
recommend
that
everybody
gets
a
chance
to
just
go
through
the
survey
yourself
I
think
just
posted
a
LinkedIn
Channel
and
see
if
there
are
any
issues
that
come
up
as
you
go
through
it.
Hopefully
it
jumps
to
the
right
sections.
E
E
E
So
let
me
just
run
you
through
the
flow
of
the
thing.
I
think
most
at
least
half
of
the
people
on
this
call
have
seen
versions
of
this.
You
know
we're
going
to
get
some
background
information
on
company.
We
want
to
understand-
and
if
they're
formal
title
so
we
can
start
gauging
with
what
responsibilities
match
these
titles,
because
there's
still
such
a
wide
range
in
the
platform
world,
originally
we're
asking
company
size,
but
a
better
gauge
of
of
maturity
would
be.
You
know
how
big
their
team
that's
actually
working
on.
E
This
is
internally
and
if
it's
primarily
a
software
business
where
this
is,
you
know
the
primary
way
that
revenue
is
generated
on
company,
and
it's
not.
You
know
something
where
like
really
software's,
maybe
a
car
or
the
side
of
the
organizations
where
they
cost
center,
that
nobody
really
takes
too
seriously
and
platform
may
not
really
be
a
serious
priority.
E
C
E
Our
jumping
off
point
for
the
Builder
consumer
conditional
branching
right
either
you're,
you
know
actively
working
on
the
platform
or
you're
on
one
of
the
teams.
That's
consuming
the
services.
You
know,
capabilities
of
the
platform.
E
E
E
And
yeah
feel
free
to
stop
me
at
any
point
in
time.
If
you
have
a
question
or
or
any
thoughts
that
come
to
mind,
your
organization
offer
these
capabilities
to
Consumers.
Once
again,
you
know
select
all
that
are
applicable,
whether
you're
on
your
own
there's
a
dedicated
team,
it's
a
service
provider.
F
E
We
changed
a
bunch
of
these
actually
to
open-ended
questions
to
see
which
way.
Respondents
take
it
so
for
Builders
it's,
how
do
you
inform
consumers
about
new
and
upcoming
capabilities?
And
then,
if
it's
no,
we
made
it
yeah
it's
required.
We
made
a
required
question.
You
put!
No,
if
it's
no,
but
we
really
want
to
see
if
it
is
a
yes
in
your
own
words,
how
do
you
do
that
right?
E
What
comes
to
mind
I,
think
you
know
check
boxes
would
be
a
little
too
limiting
and
like
bundling
people
into
things
that
may
or
may
not
be
really
true.
I.
Think
there's,
like
an
aspirational
side
when
you
see
like
here
are
the
five
things
that
sound
right.
You
might
be
tempted
to
click
on
one
that
doesn't
really
reflect
the
reality
of
how
things
operate
in
your
organization.
F
One
thing
just
with
with
the
open-ended
questions
and
all
that,
like
this
is
going
to
get
us
so
much
detail,
it's
gonna
be
fantastic.
Do
we
have
a
sense
of
what
the
response
rate
will
look
like
on
this
like
if
we
get
a
handful
of
people?
Is
that
success
or
are
we
trying
to
get
more?
Is
there
something
we
could
get
sponsor
companies
to
offer
a
raffle
for
it
or
for
responses
or
something
to
just
sort
of
I'm?
F
E
We
we
kicked
that
idea
around
and
I.
Think
it's
like
you
know
a
commonly
good
incentive.
Can
we
bundle
some
Swag
like
what
are
our
opportunities
to
get
like
about
Native,
swag
and
sponsored
company
swag,
something
we
can
talk
through
after
this
call.
F
F
Something
like
that,
but
just
wanted
to
call
it
out
that
that
might
be
I
know
Jorge.
You
want.
You
were
looking
at
ways
to
kind
of
engage
community
and
stuff.
That
could
be
like
a
collaboration
thing
here
right.
This
obviously
fits
with
what
you're
trying
to
do
potentially
finding
sponsors
for
this
kind
of
work,
but
it's.
E
A
E
Yeah
we
can
look
back
to
that,
but
yeah
I
think
Abby
you're
right.
Maybe
we
just
it
doesn't
hurt
to
send
it
out,
see
what
the
response
rate
is
and
then
adjust.
We
can
always
yeah.
D
D
D
That
yeah,
the
sponsoring
thing
I
guess,
is
tricky
because
I
don't
know,
I
I
was
traumatized
by
Academia,
so
it's
it
might
seem
complex
once
we
share
the
results,
sharing
that
this
was
a
sponsored
by
this
company,
because
then
the
the
results
are
going
to
be
like.
Oh,
this
is
clearly
just
done
for
them
to
support
their
marketing
or
whatever.
E
A
Put
down
to
for
me
to
ask
the
cncf:
if
there's
anything,
they
could
do
I
think,
especially
if
they
come
to
an
interview
and
spend
like.
E
A
We
have
talked
about
interview
frame.
You
know
I'm
going
to
put
that
under
there
to
think
about
like
when
we
open
an
issue
for
the
interview
framework.
E
Support
for
platform
capabilities
yeah-
and
you
know
in
your
time
in
your
own
time,
when
you,
when
you
see
these,
if
you
have
time
if
anything's
missing
right,
if
there
are
any
gaps
in
how
these
like
Services
might
be
consumed
or
supported
on
either
side
of
it,
we
have
time
to
to
change
the
questions
measuring
platform
adoption
once
again
open-ended.
E
E
Obviously
no
team
wants
to
admit
that
they
don't
do
this
well
or
that
it's
complete
chaos,
or
that
somebody
tells
them
what
their
priorities
are
and
that's
just
kind
of
a
pass-through
from
a
manager,
but
I'd
rather
I,
rather
get
this
back
in
people's
own
words
right,
like
what
does
prioritization
look
like
I.
Think
it's
way
more
compelling
than
here
is
the
five
ways
that
prioritization
normally
happens,
which
ones
match
your
organization.
I.
Think
that
one
definitely
skews
aspiration.
E
And
then
this
goes
back
to
if
they
answered
consumer,
they
jump
to
this
section.
It's
mostly
the
flip
side
of
these
questions.
Right,
like
which
platform
capabilities.
Do
you
do
you
use?
E
How
do
you
access
the
platform
capabilities
right
if
it's
self-serve
there's
some
ticketing
system?
If
there's
somebody
on
your
team,
that
does
it-
and
this
could
be-
you
know,
there's
a
dedicated
resource
and
there's
some
sort
of
decentralized
platform
team
and
they
coordinate
maybe
or
somebody
on
your
team
out
of
necessity.
Just
does
this.
E
And
then
yeah
contribution
to
the
platform
and
then
consultation
right
are
you
asked
for
feedback?
What
does
that
look
like
and
then
from
there
both
sections
go
to
I,
bundled
in
you
know.
Hopefully
you
know
this
won't
be
the
question.
That's
like
a
question
too
far,
but
just
catch
all
what's
top
of
mind
right
like
if
you
can
wave
a
wand,
what's
the
thing
that
you
would
want
to
disappear
or
as
like
a
biggest
the
biggest
challenge,
you
have
whether
you're
a
consumer
or
or
a
builder,
and
then
that's
the
opt-in
right.
E
E
How
is
it
feeling
for
just
length?
We?
You
know
we
try
to
pare
it
down
to
still
capture
enough
to
give
us
a
good
sense
of
maturity
without
you
know,
obviously
going
too
deep
and
then
obviously
assuming
we're
going
to
get
a
good
response
rate.
I
mean
we'll
tweak
it
if
we
don't,
but
the
depth
obviously
will
come
through
the
interviews.
D
Is
there
like,
maybe
using
given
that
one
of
some
of
the
questions
that
are
open-ended,
something
that
I
would
think
are
interesting
to
see
is
to
understand
how
long
has
it
taken
to
build
this
platforms
because
I've
been
at
least
the
backstage,
since
that
I've
seen
sometimes
I've
seen
people
trying
to
put
together
something
for
like
a
year
before
they
release
it?
D
So
it's
just
interesting
at
least
to
see
how
much
are
people
investing
in
this
and
that,
of
course,
that
might
be
another
question
and
I
don't
know,
but
maybe
in
the
question
that
says,
how
do
you
measure
adoption?
Maybe
you
can
have
something?
Could
you
share
what
percentage
up
sorry
my
mind
goes
to
the
other
topic
that
I
wanted
to
discuss,
which
was
I.
D
How
much
what
percentage
of
the
organization
uses
this
platform,
which
is
I,
think
one
of
the
biggest
struggles
that
I
usually
see,
at
least
with
portals,
that
people
build
their
portal
and
then,
like
nobody,
uses
it
or
just
very
few
people
use
it
and
then
what's
what's
the
point
of
building
this
whole
thing
is
not
enough.
People
are
using
it.
So
it's
those
are
the
two
things
that
I
I
like
to
find
out,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
can
like
somehow
feed
them
into
existing
questions
without
adding.
E
E
Yeah
I
would
imagine
we'll
get
more
out
of
interviews
on
on
that
context
and
if
a
pattern
emerges
then
we
would
in
a
survey
and
what's
everybody
think
about
that.
One.
C
E
It
gets
on
yeah,
it
gets
unruly
in
Google
forms.
Oh.
E
The
limitation
of
the
thing:
that's
exactly
how
I
wanted
to
do
it,
the
first
time
it's
like.
If
it's
a
no,
we
don't
just
move
on
yeah,
so
we
bundled
it
in
and
then
we
wrote
these
what's
missing.
Is
this.
We
just
tried
to
make
a
description
just
like
explicitly
how
we
want
you
to
if
it's
a
no
just
write.
No,
it's
fine,
please
right
now,
if
you.
A
F
I
think
it's
really
good
with
a
lot
of
the
questions
about
what
people
view
the
platform
as
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
difficult
about
these
kinds
of
forms
is
that,
while
platform
engineering
has
hit
the
hype
cycle,
it's
not
actually
new
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
get
access
to
infrastructure
and
that
there
is
a
way
to
do
that
in
your
org
and
that
you
may
or
may
not
have
the
ability
to
influence
it
or
engage
in
it
and
I
think.
F
Sometimes,
when
I've
noticed
these
kinds
of
surveys
come
out
before
and
they
can
and
the
ones
that
tend
to
be
very
vendor
driven.
They
tend
to
seem
to
present
it
as
like.
This
newfangled
thing
like
you're,
either
on
board
with
the
newfangled
thing
or
you're,
not
and
I.
Think
I've
noticed
in
a
good
way
that
we
haven't
gone
too
far
down
that
road,
like
it's
mostly
like
it's
more
like
various
capabilities
that
your
organization
does
talk
to
me
about
them
and
rather
than
like
how
on
board
hype
cycle,
are
you
so
I
yeah?
E
Thanks
I
I
think
you
know
you
you've
been
in
some
of
these
calls
it's
it's
like
the
iterations
that
got
us
away
from
hype
cycle
to
something
more
simpler,
that
just
tries
to
gauge
reality.
Yeah.
None
of
this
is
new
you're.
Doing
these
things
somehow
or
otherwise
like
how
the
hell
are
you,
shipping,
software,
so
cool,
so
the
link
just
posted
it
out,
I,
just
I,
think
what
somebody
already
well
we're
on
the
call
reply:
Joshua
yeah.
If
you
want
to
go
through
it,
how
was
it
you
just
went
through
it?
E
A
E
Good
yeah
I
suggest
we
all
do
the
experiential
thing
and
go
through
it
and
see
if
we
hate
if
we
hate
it
and
tune
out
ourselves
from
our
own
survey.
I
think
that's
telling,
but
let's
yeah,
let's
see
what
the
uptick
is
or
like
you
know
what
what
the
response
rate
is
going
to
be
and
then
I'm
always
Pro
swag
if
we
can
throw
swag
at
it
to
just
get
people
to
hold
on
near
the
end.
E
C
Right
so
we'll
give
yeah
and
we'll
get
feedback,
we'll
see
it's
a
hitter
at
the
process.
B
C
E
Do
yeah
I
think
we
took
our
time
with
it
and
we
got
to
get
it
out
into
the
world
now
yeah.
C
A
So
that
actually
that's
the
last
thing
is
I.
Think
well,
I
think
we
were
talking
Michael,
maybe
we'll
write
a
two
or
three
paragraph
post
describing
it
describing
the
goals.
A
That's
one
way
we'll
publish
either
but
like
maybe
we
maybe
we
should
get
that
done
in
the
next
couple
days
and
then
we
can
just
circulate
the
link
in
all
of
the
different
ways
that
we
circulate
things.
Socials
slide
decks
discussions
so.
E
Quick
question
to
not
have
one
thing
hold
up
the
other:
can
we
take
the
length
with
like
literally
one
line
through
normal
social
channels
and
just
say:
hey
we're
doing
a
platform
survey
to
gauge.
You
know
how
far
the
platforms
come
along
in
the
industry
or
whatever
here's
a
link.
People
are
going
to
start.
You
know
responding
to
them,
we'll
see
what
that
looks
like,
while
the
more
you
know
kind
of
formalized,
here's.
Why
we're
doing
this
little
blog
post
comes
out.
A
E
E
A
A
C
F
A
A
A
F
E
A
E
C
C
A
That
yeah,
it
is
in
the
tags
thing
and,
like
you
know,
the
tag
leads
I
can
justify.
You
know
we're
listed
I,
guess
Michael
I've
added,
that's
what
I'm
kind
of
not
sure
what
the
process
is
like.
Let's
say
you
want
to
join
abhinav
and
you
participate
in
our
group.
Is
there
do
we
need?
Is
that
enough?
I
mean
we
have
something
internally.
E
Who,
who
can
answer
that?
For
us
in
terms
of
gdpr
compliance
I
mean.
A
F
I
mean
select
just
getting
an
email
address
means
you
you're
in
gdpr,
so
chat
GPT
the
thing
just
to
at
least
be
like
it's
a
thing.
We're
aware
we're
gonna,
take
care
of
your
stuff,
but
yeah
I
mean
it
should
go
in
front
of
legal
like
I.
Wouldn't
I
would
be
uncomfortable
with
it
personally
if
I
was
liable
with
it,
as
is
let.
A
Me,
oh
that's
what
it's
dtbr
disclaimer!
Let
me
let
me
raise
it
with
Amy.
Is
that
a
good
Next,
Step
image
covert
apparent
she's,
a
lawyer.
E
F
E
A
Yeah
there
is
a
lawyer,
I
mean
Amy,
scavarta
parent
is
the
is
the
cncf's
lawyer
and
I
can
ask
her
I
wanna
I
wanna
think
about
how
to
ask
carefully.
So
we
don't
get
kibosh.
Oh
yes,
but
yeah.
Let
me
start
a
thread
with
her
seems
like
maybe
the
proposal
I
think
what
Abby
you're
kind
of
saying,
maybe
and
like
we
can
ask
her
like
we
can
give
her
a
hypothesis
if
we
put
this
disclaimer
at
the
beginning
or
link
to
a
disclaimer.
Will
that
be
enough
for
us.
F
I
would
go
into
it
being
like
we've
been
thoughtful
about
this,
but
we
are
aware
that
we
don't
want.
We
don't
have
a
huge
footprint.
We
don't
want
to
create
one.
We
are
therefore
going
to
have
a
minimal
disclaimer.
Here's
our
proposed
disclaimer
is
this
enough
kind
of
thing,
so,
basically
making
sure
that
she
doesn't
feel
like
she
has
to
like
go
turning
over
every
stone
like
that.
We
haven't
even
thought
about
it
and
whatever
but
like.
If
it's
not
she'll
tell
us
right.
That's
her
job
yeah,
her
skill
set.
E
E
So
yeah
good
call,
okay,
so
I
guess
next
steps
on
that
is
Amy
with
we've
been
very
thoughtful.
Here's
the
minimal
thing
very
small
group-
and
you
know,
what's
the
appropriate
duration,
to
say
that
we're
going
to
hold
on
to
these
we're
going
to
definitely
not
share
any
of
this
outside
of
like
these
two
or
three
people
or
whatever,
okay.
E
Josh
thanks
Abby
did
we
cover
the
anything
else.
I
think
we
covered
the
recovered
legal.
We
covered
swag.
We
covered
the
content.
D
One
more
last
item
is
that
Joshua,
mentioning
that
he
was
described
to
results,
maybe
something
that
we
can
do
and
I
don't
know
if
this
will
make
it
more
complicated.
We
can
have
like
a
last
question
at
the
end
saying
like
do
you
want
to
subscribe
to
the
platform
whatever
mailing
list
and
then
we'll
mail?
You,
the
results
and
other
news
that
way.
We
can
you're
already
clear
that
we
use
their
email
to
communicate
back
to
them.
Yeah.
E
A
A
E
B
Sorry,
one
more
thing:
I
went
ahead
and
filled
out
the
form
as
well.
So
this
more
so
just
back
on
the
content
side,
I
thought
it
was
really
good.
I
didn't
think
it
was
too
long
like
it
definitely
like
it
took
a
little
bit,
but
it
wasn't
like
a
super
like
inconvenient
amount
of
time
and
I
thought.
The
questions
were
good
questions,
so
they
didn't
do
like
unnecessary
questions
so
like.
Why
would
they
be
asking
about
this
or
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
just
validate?
E
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
Michael.
Let
me
let
me
yeah
all
right.
Let
me
move
us
to
the
next
section
here:
I
guess,
Abby
I
put
if
you
wanna,
I,
think
you're
having
a
meeting
tomorrow
on
the
maturity
model.
How's
that
going
do
you
need
any
help.
F
Yeah
I
think
that
there's
it's
not
going
very
fast
right
now,
so
I'll
be
honest.
I
am
like
absolutely
slammed
with
April
and
May
conferences,
if
I'm
being
completely
Frank.
F
So
there's
only
so
much
I
can
push
for
a
couple
more
weeks,
but
that's
what
you
said
popping
up
on
my
LinkedIn
feed
a
lot
so
much
so
make
it
stop
and
the,
but
in
reality
I
also
don't
want
to
push
yet
because
there
are
some
really
big
questions
that
I
think
some
people
are
asking
that
I
think
would
be
nice
to
have
discussion
on
before
we
start
looking
at
the
looking
at
the
details,
right
like
we
don't
want
people
debating
over
individual
words.
F
If
we're
actually
like
wait,
a
second
you
know,
are
we
even
allowed
to
do
this?
Should
we
be
doing
this
big
question?
So
that's
what
the
point
of
the
call
tomorrow
is:
it's
gonna,
be
maybe
30
to
45
minutes.
F
Is
the
current
plan
hoping
to
get
some
people
on
the
on
the
line
that
have
these
kinds
of
concerns
and
questions
which
is
the
right?
So
we
have
the
right
form
to
have
the
conversations
please
come
join.
If
you're
interested,
but
also
then
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
tackle
some
of
the
kind
of
next
tier
questions,
I'd
say,
which
are
around
things
like
you
raise
Josh
of
like
how
aligned
with
the
white
paper
is
the
maturity
model.
F
Currently
is
the
vocabulary,
something
that
we
can
do
to
to
make
it
easier
for
readers
to
go
from
one
to
the
next
and
those
kinds
of
questions,
and
then
we'll
kind
of
you
know
filter
down
to
the
final
like
is
it
which
word
do
we
use
in
the
sentence
kind
of
the
kind
of
feedback
which
we
will
do
before
we
get
to
the
point
of
publishing
so
yeah,
so
I
think
it's
been
good
so
far,
we've
got
the
time
booked.
F
Hopefully
people
can
make
it
and
if
not,
we'll
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it.
Asynchronously.
C
I'm,
sorry,
if
I
missed
it
for
this
meeting,
potentially
I
can
try
to
join
me.
F
So
the
Josh
LinkedIn
here
to
the
issue
and
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
issue.
There
is
a
invite
with
a
Google
calendar
so
down.
F
Let
me
get
a
change,
just
change
that
link
slightly
copy
link,
I'm
gonna
change.
This
to
that,
which
is
the
issue
comment
in
specific,
that
points
to
the
meeting
that
we're
going
to
be
having
there
you
go
and
that
meeting
has
a
zoom
in
it
to
be
fair,
I
think
it
has
a
zoom,
that's
my
zoom
and
Josh.
F
If
I
understand
correctly,
the
Zoom
that
we're
currently
using
can
be
recorded
and
would
be
available,
is
that
correct
cool
then
I'll
make
sure
to
change
that
in
the
invite
and
make
sure
that
we
use
this
Zoom.
So
it's
more
likely
people
are
able
to
access
it
and,
and
there
aren't
any
questions
or
concerns
or
anything
like
that,
but
I.
A
Our
zoom
and
actually
I
was
going
to
ask
you
Abby.
Do
you
want
me
to
create
and
event
in
the
in
our
community
group.
F
Probably
something
I
should
have
done
more
than
the
day
before
Lessons
Learned
like
yes,
but
maybe
it's
not
super
high
value
for
you
to
spend
a
Time
on
giving
it's
the
day
before.
If
we
end
up
with
low
attendance
or
an
inability
to
run
the
meeting
or
for
for
whatever
reason
we
run
another
meeting,
I
will
be
I
will
take
you
up
on
that
and
and
ask
up
front
sorry
Lessons
Learned
as
you
as
you
go
through
these
things.
A
I
appreciate
that,
that's
for
sure,
Okay
cool,
so
the
last
thing
really
on
the
agenda
today.
The
official
thing
is:
is
torpe
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
chance
to
talk
about
your
proposal
and
your
ideas,
and
are
you
up
for
that.
D
Yes,
absolutely
well,
it's
not
that
complicated
I
guess
to
what
I
have
in
mind
so
far.
But
it's
the
proposal
came
from
a
topic
that
Abby
mentioned
last
meeting
and
I.
Think
it's
just
that.
So
many
things
are
happening
right
now
in
the
space
of
platform
Engineering
in
general
and
there's
dozens
of
vendor
pushing
narratives
and
service
on
their
own
and
stuff.
D
So
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
like
a
structured
voice
for
this
working
group,
because
it's
like
a
very
high
interest
thing
right
now-
and
people
want
to
hear
as
well
from
like
these
kind
of
vendor
neutral
territory
that
we
offer,
which
is
quite
rare
right
now
in
the
space.
So
I
think
it
has
to
have
some
like
intentional
work
to
put
it
out
for
initiative
like
the
survey
I.
D
Think
it'd
be
great
if
we
could
coordinate
with
other
companies,
like
maybe
other
cncf
members
or
I,
can
bring
it
up
in
the
marketing
the.
Since
we
have
Marketing,
Group
and
say:
hey
we're
doing
this,
somebody
up
for
collaborating
with
this
working
group
and
share
it
on
their
their
company
website.
They
are
interested
and
yeah
just
coordinate.
D
How
do
we
reach
the
people
that
we
want
to
reach
because
their
space
is
kind
of
saturated
and
if
we
want
to
be
heard
by
more
people,
we
might
just
need
to
make
some
more
efforts
around
that
maybe
create
some
LinkedIn
page
and
adopt
to
certain
key
people
that
agreed
to
be
like
yeah
I'll,
publish
this
and
I'll
recommend
it
because
organic
is
is
fine,
but
then
it
limits
as
well
the
amount
of
people
that
we
can
get
to
our
own
network.
D
A
F
I
think
the
one
thing
just
to
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
you're
talking
about
trying
to
get
out,
and
you
talked
about
things
like
a
LinkedIn
page
and
all
that
I
want
to
be
really
intentional
about
maintenance,
upkeep
and
maintenance
for
this
work,
because,
like
I
know,
we
talk
about
it.
We
were
just
having
a
massive
conversation
about
this
at
kubecon
from
the
technical
point
of
view.
F
Oh,
if
we're
gonna
do
like
proof
of
Concepts
or
or
reference
architectures,
or
things
like
that,
like
those
are
hard
to
keep
up
to
date,
as
things
evolve
like
just
as
hard
to
keep
links
not
from
going
dead
and
things
like
that,
so,
like
I,
don't
know
who
it
was,
but
somebody
recommended
we
change
the
link
on
our
GitHub
repo
to
point
at
our
new
website,
like
I,
think
that
was
brilliant,
like
these,
like
small
things
that
make
it
so
that
we're
always
kind
of
presenting
the
same
backlink
and
make
it
really
maintainable
as
I
think
the
thing
because,
as
I
was
just
saying
for
the
work
I'm
working
on,
there
are
Ebbs
and
flows
and
all
of
our
abilities
to
work
on
stuff.
F
So
having
it
be
something
that
other
people
can
step
in
and
be
effective
in
is
I
think
the
way
that
we
make
sure
it's
a
long-term
success.
So
keeping
that
in
mind,
I
know
I,
know
you're
already
thinking
about
this
stuff,
but
yeah.
C
C
D
Understand
it's
fine!
It's
it's
hard
to
speak
about
pain,
point
for
me
because
I
don't
know
if
we
are
like
I
guess.
D
The
problem
that
I
see
is
that
it
starts
to
reach
people
and
have
them
hear
a
message
consistently
and
what
we
are
talking
about
and
what
we
want
to
say
because,
as
I
mentioned
right
now,
it
can
be
difficult
to
even
say
this
is
what
we
are
doing,
because
if
it
you
share
a
link
on
itself
daily
version
and
yeah,
that's
kind
of
the
general
idea.
I
don't
know
if
somebody
has
a
better
way.
C
Of
oh
God
I
got
it,
it
makes
it
makes
sense
now
yeah
I,
know
I
know
same
had
created
like
a
platform
engineering
like
LinkedIn
group,
potentially
There's
an
opportunity
to
use
that
because
we
he
made
it
in
a
generic
way
right.
So
it's
because
the
thing
is:
there's
a
platform.
Engineering,
slack,
Community
I,
know,
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
you
know
it
is
there's
a
lot
of
noise
on
that
right,
good
or
bad
I'm
not
going
to
comment
on
that,
but
it
can
be
good
and
it
could
be.
C
You
know
it
can
be
a
little
bit
distracting,
sometimes
as
well.
So
it
would
be
good
to
have
some
like
I
think
it
like,
maybe
like
a
like
either
using
this
LinkedIn
group
or
whatever.
It
could
be
just
to
have
kind
of
a
a
thing
where
maybe
it's
it's
representing.
What
we're
doing
from
the
platforms
working
group
thing
overall
and
just
showcasing
thought
leadership
there.
The
only
thing
is,
it
would
require
some
kind
of
owner
to
to.
C
You
know
maintain
that
everything
which
is,
which
is
definitely
one
of
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
but
I
know
same-
is
doing
some
of
that
today
in
platform
things
and
it's
posting
kind
of
like
agnostic
stuff,
like
some
stuff,
you
know
from
different
companies
and
and
and
and
everything
but
I
think
the
challenge
is
the
challenge
there,
of
course,
is
just
who's
going
to
continuously
curate
and
update,
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
I
mean.
F
The
other
yeah
I
that
sort
of
advocate
against
trying
to
own
any
platforms.
As
you
say,
there's
a
vendor
owning
a
slack
space.
There
was
another
vendor
who's
trying
to
own
Reddit,
there's
another
vendor
who's,
doing
LinkedIn
each
kind
of
trying
to
appear
vendor
neutral,
but
they're.
All
like
we've
seen
what
happens
with
Twitter
when
Twitter
Falls
over
like
I.
Think
if
we're
gonna
try
and
do
something,
we
should
be
driving
it
through
our
own
website
and
we
can
then
be
posting
it
in
places
and
the
posting
is
like
an
add-on.
F
It's
like
sprinkles
on
top,
but
the
place
you
go
to
the
RSS
feed.
If
we
don't
already
have
one,
maybe
we
put
one
in
I,
don't
know,
but
like
the
thing
you're
looking
for
from
the
working
group
is,
the
working
group's
website
would
be
something
I'd.
I'd
want
to
hear
why
we'd
pick
one
platform
over
another
and
why
we
kind
of
basically
offload
our
content
to
a
third
party.
If,
given
we've
just
invested
in
the
site
at
this
stage,
but.
C
F
F
Is
but
I
think
just
to
say,
I
think
Jorge.
The
will
work.
The
way
you
you
laid
it
out
in
that
document.
I
think
is
a
lot
more
than
just
writing
content.
It's
also
curating
those
in
those
relationships.
I
think
what
Michael
is
doing
with
the
driving
with
the
survey.
I
know
it's
been
a
lot
more
than
just
you,
Mike
Michael,
that's
been
working
on
it,
but,
like
that's
like
very
tightly
coupled
I,
think
I
may
be
pinged.
F
You
two
together
in
a
Channel
at
some
point
like
how
we,
how
we
identify
who
to
speak
to
how
we
drive
out
surveys,
what
we,
what
content
we
create
in
the
back
of
those
surveys
and
as
well
as
interviews
I,
think
is
like
all
like
intertwined.
You
know
we
can
only
have
so
many
touch
points
with
people
before
they
start
to
go,
but
I
just
talked
to
somebody
else
in
the
group
last
week
and
I
have
a
call
with
someone
else
next
week
and
like
what's
going
on
so.
C
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
and
I
don't
know
because,
of
course,
everybody's
really
busy
and
I
like
it's
not
right
to
create
more
work
on
everybody,
but
it's
just
an
idea.
Thank
you
to
Abby's
point
right.
A
lot
of
the
conversations
that
are
happening.
They're
kind
of
you
know
couple
folks
here
a
couple
folks
there
and
Tag
app
delivery.
You
know
like
it
was.
It
was
cool
like
when
I
went
there.
C
There
was
a
lot
of
things
that
I
didn't
even
know
about
that
were
part
of
the
thing,
but
it
might
be
nice
to
maybe
have
like
a
summary
sort
of
email
or
something
or
blast.
I
can
go
out.
Maybe
maybe
if
we
have
an
opportunity
to
post
that
on
the
general
cncf,
Channel
or
something
or
or
but
like
something
that
kind
of
summarizes
the
highlights
of
each
month
and
all
the
cool
work
we're
doing
right
like,
for
example,
like
we
can
reference
the
maturity
model,
we
can
reference.
C
Like
you
know
the
git
Ops
I
think
there
was
something
around
the
git
Ops
practices
and
there
was
you
know
we
can
reference.
You
know
the
survey
just
just
for
folks
to
be
aware
of
all
the
cool
work
we're
doing,
and
you
know
if
they
want
to
get
involved,
join
the
slack
and
just
literally
just
be
like
hey.
If
you
want
to
get
involved,
join
the
cncf
platform
working
group,
slack
and
you're
going
to
have
a
link
to
it
or
something
you
know.
Maybe
maybe
it
could
be
as
simple
as
that.
C
Just
to
you
know
or
hey
you're,
the
you're
doing
the
newsletters
today
right
and
those
are
really
good
to
drive
awareness
I
mean
it
could
be
as
some
as
some
even
simpler,
just
kind
of
having
like
a
monthly
summary
update
like
that,
and
you
know
I'm
more
than
happy
to
help
create
like
a
template
for
that,
and
then
folks
can
just
add
whatever
they
want.
C
Sorry
I
should
have
put
my
phone
on.
Do
not.
C
It's
yeah:
it's
like
it's
kind
of
a
lightweight
thing
where
you
know
we
can
just
have
a
template
every
like
Michael.
You
could
maybe
then
just
add
your
survey
thing
like
like
a
two
three
sentences
to
it.
I.
You
know
we
can
add
like
Abby,
you
could
add
your
two
or
three
sentences.
If
there's
something
like
you
know
so
that
way,
you
know
it's
just
kind
of
we're,
not
we're
making
the
work
easier
for
people
by
just
having
a
template
like
that.
So
so.
E
I
I
think
this
is
great,
like
super
light
touch,
and
it's
finds
me
in
my
inbox.
That's
really
the
way
that
I'm
used
to
interacting
with
a
lot
of
communities
like
I,
don't
have
time
to
know
all
the
things
that
are
going
on.
But
when
they're
surfaced,
you
know
and
I
just
check
my
inbox
and
read
through
them,
be
like
oh
there's
a
thing,
I
care
about
and
should
talk
to
this
person
about
it.
It
makes
it
actionable
because.
A
I
wanted
to
I
love.
This
idea
too
I
actually
have
been
thinking
like
a
newsletter
or
status
update
for
months,
but
you
know
there
are
like
I
mean.
Has
one
from
rodie
on
Backstage
and
Luca
has
one
on
platform,
engineering
I,
guess
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
Is
that
a
concern?
Do
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
like
too
much
interfering
with
what
exists?
I'm?
Looking
to
you,
Jorge
for
your
insights.
D
I,
don't
I
think
people
want
if
I
don't
know
what
the
brand
thinks,
but
if
you
can't
say
cncf
platform
groups,
I
think
this
is
something
that
would
people
want
to
know
what
we're
working
on,
because
it's
you
know
it's
like
a
proof
vendor
neutral
way
is
not
a
fake
vendor
neutral
place
that
this
this
thing
doesn't
exist
to
my
knowledge
right
now,
all
the
platform
things
are
indoor
encourt,
so
I
think
just
having
the
possibility
of
saying
yeah
I
want
to
subscribe
to
see
what's
up
with
the
cncf,
what
do
they
have
to
say
to
the
platform
just
once
a
month,
I
think
it's
fine
to
do
that
and
I
think
it's
quite
desirable
and
I
would
be
I.
D
Would
love
to
to
write
about
that
like
I
love
I,
like
writing,
minded
letters
so
it'll
be
exciting
for
me
to
write
the
reports
on
whatever
platform
working
group
is
doing
yeah,
that's
something
that
that
would
be
nice
too,
and
if
it's
convenient
for
people
as
well.
F
And
we've
got
the
content
sort
of
in
progress
by
doing
the
like
notes
that
weren't,
for
our
calls
right
now
right
so
like
being
able
to
just
emphasize
those
into
like
here,
are
the
open
issues
that
are
like
the
hottest
issues
of
the
month.
Come
chat
on
them
kind
of
thing
like
they'll
all
be
there
right.
You
shouldn't
have
to
like
generate
brand
new
content
every
month.
It
should
be
a
lot
that's
being
produced
already,
which
is
awesome.
E
D
Exactly
so,
that's
that's
what
I,
what
I
think
that
the
way
I
think
about
this,
like
we
already
have
like
the
working
group,
has
so
much
already
it's
just
that
people
are
not
being
exposed
to
this
and
that
that's
what
the
the
kind
of
thing
that
is
in
my
mind.
How
do
we
get
it
into
people's
eyes
without
disturbing
them?
Of
course,
yeah.
D
Mean
the
Marketing
Group,
because
Roadies
member
so
yeah,
that's
why
I
know
about
it.
A
Do
you
want
Jorge
to
try
to
get
something
together
for
two
weeks
from
now
for
our
next
meeting,
and
then
you
know
it'll
be
our
main
newsletter.
We
can.
You
can
kind
of
discuss
it
with
us
next
time.
D
Sure
yeah,
the
thing
I
don't
know
is
I
think
the
CNC
operate
has
some
way
of
doing
webinar
of
doing
newsletter.
I,
don't
know
how
you
submit
to
that
or
how
do
you
have
that?
How
do
you
know
how
that
works
at
all,
but
yeah
and.
A
A
D
A
D
C
Mean
the
other
thing
is
like
Josh.
We
could
just
come
up
with
an
example
right
template,
like
you
know,
if
folks
want
to
join,
we
can
just
have
a
meeting
just
quickly
come
up
through
that
and
then
propose
it.
Maybe
sometime
at
like
you
know,
just
sometimes
it's
easier
for
us,
like
kind
of
with
the
survey
right,
we
get
something
out,
we
we
show
it
and
then
and
then
go
from
there
might
be
less
Hoops
to
to
jump
through,
and
you
know
we
can.
C
Reference
example
templates,
like
your
your
Roadie
one
and
I
know
there
are
a
few
others
as
well
that
we
can.
We
can,
you
know,
emulate
the
structure,
because
those
are
already
really
good
today.
So.
C
D
C
Something
I
agree,
something
easy
where
the
information
is
obvious
to
join,
to
join
this
thing
right
and
then
it
could
be
also
like
we
may
want
to
talk
with
the
marketing
Folks
at
cncf
Josh
like
if
there's
something
like
SEO,
optimization
that
we
can
that
they
can
do
like
like
hey.
C
If
somebody
is
searching
platform
engineering,
the
first
link
that
comes
up
or
the
second
link
that
comes
up
when
you
do
a
Google
search
is
our
cncf
platform
working
group,
page
I,
don't
know
if
they'll
be
willing
to
invest
in
that
or
something
but
there's
no
harm.
There's
no
harm
in
asking
right
just
to
just
to
find
out.
If
there's
anything
they
can
do
there.
A
Yeah
yeah,
sorry
for
that
long
leg,
here's
a
better
one
where
somebody
Carolyn
passed
away,
unfortunately
shared
that
maintainer
from
TAG
CS
contributor
strategy.
So
you
know
we
I
could
ask
them.
A
I
was
really
excited
when
she
shared
and
I
was
the
first
responder
I
was
like.
Oh
can
we
get
more
of
these,
so
okay,
I
think
I
think
we
know
what
we
want
to
do
there
we'll
continue
working
on
the
the
details.